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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,380 --> 00:00:14,880 [Aaron] When I moved to Hoboken about a dozen years ago, it just 2 00:00:15,050 --> 00:00:18,580 struck me just how friendly and how small town it felt. 3 00:00:20,980 --> 00:00:25,680 So what you see behind me here is the actual location for 4 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,020 {\an8}Lily Bloom's flower shop in the film "It Ends with Us." 5 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:35,380 {\an8}A scout reached out to me and said that they were 6 00:00:35,550 --> 00:00:37,480 interested in seeing if it would work for 7 00:00:37,650 --> 00:00:38,780 an upcoming film. 8 00:00:38,780 --> 00:00:41,280 So I was going through the contract, and I was showing 9 00:00:41,450 --> 00:00:43,580 it to my wife, and when she read the title, 10 00:00:43,750 --> 00:00:45,920 "It Ends with Us," she froze. 11 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,320 She actually picked up the book off the bookshelf. 12 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:49,580 More than three years on 13 00:00:49,750 --> 00:00:51,020 a New York Times best-sellers list, 14 00:00:51,180 --> 00:00:52,220 that's a long time. 15 00:00:52,380 --> 00:00:53,480 [paparazzi] Can you turn this way? 16 00:00:53,650 --> 00:00:54,680 [paparazzi #2] Justin, right here. 17 00:00:54,850 --> 00:00:58,780 The movie came out in the summer of 2024. 18 00:01:00,380 --> 00:01:04,320 Social media noticed that Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni 19 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,880 were not doing any press together 20 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,120 for a movie where they are the co-leads. 21 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:11,480 [woman 2] "It Ends with Us." 22 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,020 [voices overlapping] "It Ends with Us." "It Ends with Us." 23 00:01:13,180 --> 00:01:15,320 "It Ends with Us." "It Ends with Us." 24 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,680 "It Ends with Us" is about domestic violence, 25 00:01:17,850 --> 00:01:20,720 but the message of the film has been clouded because 26 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,120 of the scandal around its stars. 27 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,220 She claims that there was sexual harassment on set. 28 00:01:27,420 --> 00:01:29,680 Maybe this guy isn't the guy that you think he is. 29 00:01:29,850 --> 00:01:32,680 And then a big jaw-drop moment. 30 00:01:32,850 --> 00:01:34,780 [suspenseful music playing] 31 00:01:34,780 --> 00:01:39,520 He claims civil extortion, defamation, and that all of 32 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,580 this really is about her wanting to have control 33 00:01:42,580 --> 00:01:44,420 of the movie. 34 00:01:44,580 --> 00:01:46,420 [ID] Is Blake Lively a victim? 35 00:01:46,580 --> 00:01:48,280 That is the question. 36 00:01:48,450 --> 00:01:51,220 This is, like, the most high-school fight that 37 00:01:51,380 --> 00:01:53,980 people with millions of dollars can have with each other. 38 00:01:54,150 --> 00:01:56,180 The longer this goes on, 39 00:01:56,350 --> 00:01:59,520 the more reputational damage they will suffer. 40 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,180 [ID] This isn't just a fluffy celebrity feud. 41 00:02:03,350 --> 00:02:06,080 The actual story is, I think, a lot darker and a lot more 42 00:02:06,250 --> 00:02:07,180 complex than that. 43 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,420 {\an8}I work on crisis communication plans, lifestyle PR, 44 00:02:19,580 --> 00:02:21,580 {\an8}and strategic public relations. 45 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,320 But also, I am a huge Colleen Hoover fan. 46 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:27,480 I've read all of her books. 47 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,180 Every single one, probably once or twice. 48 00:02:32,180 --> 00:02:35,980 So, I'm familiar with the book and was really excited 49 00:02:36,150 --> 00:02:38,350 for the movie. 50 00:02:40,780 --> 00:02:43,980 [Sheinelle] It follows Lily Bloom, who moves to Boston to fulfill 51 00:02:44,150 --> 00:02:45,580 her dream of opening a flower shop. 52 00:02:45,750 --> 00:02:48,420 After a chance encounter with a neurosurgeon, 53 00:02:48,580 --> 00:02:51,020 a relationship quickly heats up between the two of them. 54 00:02:51,020 --> 00:02:54,420 [Matthew] On TikTok, certain books go viral, and Colleen Hoover's 55 00:02:54,580 --> 00:02:56,320 novels, in particular, "It Ends with Us," 56 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,020 became incredibly popular on there. 57 00:02:58,180 --> 00:03:00,820 A woman got verbally and physically abused 58 00:03:00,980 --> 00:03:02,880 and made it out on the other end. 59 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,080 {\an8}The domestic violence aspect of it is something that really 60 00:03:06,250 --> 00:03:08,820 {\an8}caught people's because it covered the serious topic while 61 00:03:08,980 --> 00:03:11,580 {\an8}still doing it in a way that felt engaging and accessible. 62 00:03:11,750 --> 00:03:14,780 And that really gave studio executives in Hollywood 63 00:03:14,780 --> 00:03:18,080 a feeling that young people were interested in the novel, 64 00:03:18,250 --> 00:03:21,780 and that if they optioned it, as Justin Baldoni did, 65 00:03:21,780 --> 00:03:23,920 that it could turn into something that 66 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,020 people would show up at the theaters for. 67 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:31,980 [Tia] I'm an actress. 68 00:03:32,150 --> 00:03:34,280 I worked with Justin Baldoni 69 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,120 on the set of "Jane the Virgin" many years ago. 70 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,180 ["Jane the Virgin" narrator] This seems like a good time to catch up on 71 00:03:39,180 --> 00:03:40,480 what Rafael has been up to. 72 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,080 I was actually playing one of his girlfriends. 73 00:03:44,250 --> 00:03:46,820 ["Jane the Virgin" narrator] He has, in fact, been having sex. 74 00:03:46,980 --> 00:03:50,580 Lots and lots of sex, with a lot of different women. 75 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,480 He was very down-to-earth, very considerate. 76 00:03:55,650 --> 00:03:58,180 He just wanted to make sure that everything in 77 00:03:58,180 --> 00:03:59,220 our scene worked. 78 00:03:59,380 --> 00:04:01,420 [keyboard tapping] 79 00:04:01,580 --> 00:04:04,420 I started following him on social media and just kind of 80 00:04:04,580 --> 00:04:05,820 kept up with everything else 81 00:04:05,980 --> 00:04:07,880 that he was doing outside of acting. 82 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:08,920 [audience clapping] 83 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,020 [Emily] Justin has this platform. 84 00:04:11,180 --> 00:04:15,120 He did a TED Talk about debunking toxic masculinity. 85 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,520 I don't just want to be a good man, 86 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:20,480 I want to be a good human. 87 00:04:20,650 --> 00:04:23,020 And he started a podcast, "Man Enough." 88 00:04:23,180 --> 00:04:26,920 What would the world look like if our boys 89 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,920 got to grow up and feel that men were safe spaces 90 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:31,350 and safe places? 91 00:04:31,350 --> 00:04:35,320 In 2019, when Justin acquired the rights from Colleen Hoover, 92 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:36,980 it was really aligned with his brand. 93 00:04:37,150 --> 00:04:38,920 [up-tempo violin music playing] 94 00:04:40,380 --> 00:04:43,820 The "Ends with Us" story first hit my radar when Blake Lively 95 00:04:43,980 --> 00:04:47,120 was cast -- I covered her casting news. 96 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:49,780 She's a household name. 97 00:04:49,780 --> 00:04:53,880 I understand why you'd want to go for someone with a pretty 98 00:04:54,050 --> 00:04:56,420 solid commercial track record. 99 00:04:56,580 --> 00:04:57,880 The cast for "It Ends with Us" has officially 100 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,220 been announced, and I am unwell. 101 00:04:59,380 --> 00:05:01,180 Lily Bloom is gonna be played by none other than 102 00:05:01,350 --> 00:05:02,820 Blake Lively. What? 103 00:05:02,980 --> 00:05:03,820 [man] Hey, Blake! 104 00:05:03,980 --> 00:05:06,080 [Emily] This breakthrough role was 105 00:05:06,250 --> 00:05:08,580 "Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants." 106 00:05:08,750 --> 00:05:12,880 Rule number 11 -- "In the event of an emergency, the pants will 107 00:05:13,050 --> 00:05:14,980 automatically go to the sister in need." 108 00:05:15,150 --> 00:05:18,420 And she got really famous with "Gossip Girl." 109 00:05:18,580 --> 00:05:22,020 She's also known as being Taylor Swift's best friend, 110 00:05:22,980 --> 00:05:25,780 and, yeah, of course she's married to Ryan Reynolds. 111 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,820 [Green Lantern] Evening, ma'am. 112 00:05:29,980 --> 00:05:34,280 Blake and Ryan met on "Green Lantern" and hit it off. 113 00:05:36,220 --> 00:05:39,680 Now they are the Hollywood power couple. 114 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:44,520 She has a persona in the public eye 115 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:49,120 of being fun and fashionable and trendy 116 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:51,580 and all of the things that I think most women 117 00:05:51,750 --> 00:05:52,850 really aspire to be. 118 00:05:54,820 --> 00:05:58,120 The fact that Justin Baldoni's name was mentioned 119 00:05:58,280 --> 00:06:01,380 along with someone who is a big A-list celebrity, 120 00:06:01,550 --> 00:06:04,020 also married to an A-lister. 121 00:06:04,980 --> 00:06:09,220 It makes sense why this became such big headline news. 122 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,420 [Aaron] Hoboken being such a small town, word travels fast. 123 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,220 When the first day of shooting arrived, 124 00:06:20,380 --> 00:06:25,480 people were lining the streets to catch a glimpse of, you know, 125 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,920 Hollywood in our small town. 126 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,280 The crew from L.A. put layers upon layers of 127 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:33,620 wallpaper to age this space, 128 00:06:34,820 --> 00:06:38,020 and then they would redo the entire interior once again, 129 00:06:38,180 --> 00:06:40,880 and this time transforming it into the flower shop. 130 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:42,180 [knocking] 131 00:06:42,350 --> 00:06:43,480 OK, here we go. 132 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,180 [laughing] 133 00:06:45,180 --> 00:06:46,620 -Wow. -[Allysa] Yeah. 134 00:06:46,780 --> 00:06:48,980 This doesn't even look like the same shop. 135 00:06:49,150 --> 00:06:51,780 At the conclusion, Justin invited me over. 136 00:06:51,950 --> 00:06:56,020 He raised his hands up, and I raised mine to mirror him, 137 00:06:56,020 --> 00:06:58,820 and it was just a very special moment to share. 138 00:06:58,980 --> 00:07:01,580 [car horns honking] 139 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:07,480 The film premiered in New York City on August 6, 2024. 140 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,180 [paparazzi] Justin, right here! Justin, right here! 141 00:07:10,350 --> 00:07:11,620 [crowd] Solo! Solo! 142 00:07:11,620 --> 00:07:13,880 -[overlapping voices shouting] -[paparazzi] Justin, right here! 143 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,880 Things felt like they were off at the premiere. 144 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,920 Social media noticed that Blake Lively 145 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,480 and Justin Baldoni were not doing any press together. 146 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,280 What is going on with 147 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,080 {\an8}Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni? 148 00:07:30,250 --> 00:07:31,780 {\an8}Have you heard anything 149 00:07:31,780 --> 00:07:34,380 {\an8}about the rift happening behind the scenes? 150 00:07:34,380 --> 00:07:38,180 {\an8}For a movie where they are the co-leads, 151 00:07:38,180 --> 00:07:40,380 {\an8}that is highly unusual. 152 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,480 [Matthew] There seemed to be this sort of tension around it, 153 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,580 but nobody could quite put their finger on 154 00:07:47,750 --> 00:07:49,020 what to make of it yet. 155 00:07:49,020 --> 00:07:50,680 We do have "It Starts with Us," 156 00:07:50,850 --> 00:07:53,520 so I'm hoping to see you back in the double-duty role. 157 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,820 When Justin was asked about the sequel, 158 00:07:55,980 --> 00:07:57,280 it was kind of surprising. 159 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,880 I think there are better people for that one. 160 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,020 I think Blake Lively's ready to direct, that's what I think. 161 00:08:02,020 --> 00:08:06,220 He definitely alluded to him not taking on the role 162 00:08:06,380 --> 00:08:10,420 of director, but maybe alluding to Blake should do it next time, 163 00:08:10,580 --> 00:08:11,850 which was a little strange. 164 00:08:13,420 --> 00:08:17,220 I mean, at that point, that's where the rumor mill starts. 165 00:08:17,380 --> 00:08:18,320 [paparazzi] Ladies, together this way. 166 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,020 Ladies, together, this way over here. 167 00:08:20,020 --> 00:08:24,420 I saw rumblings on social media hypothesizing that there had 168 00:08:24,580 --> 00:08:27,580 been some kind of falling out on set, because people noticed 169 00:08:27,580 --> 00:08:30,880 that essentially all of the cast had unfollowed 170 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,020 Justin Baldoni. 171 00:08:32,020 --> 00:08:33,580 [indistinct chatter] 172 00:08:33,580 --> 00:08:36,720 One headline said that Justin Baldoni was 173 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:38,420 banished to the basement. 174 00:08:38,580 --> 00:08:41,180 He wasn't even allowed to be seen on the red carpet 175 00:08:41,180 --> 00:08:44,520 with Blake and with the rest of his co-stars. 176 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:46,880 And he and his family actually had to watch it 177 00:08:47,050 --> 00:08:48,980 in a separate location. 178 00:08:49,150 --> 00:08:50,520 He said, "I wasn't allowed to be seen. 179 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:53,280 "She didn't want me anywhere near her or the rest of the cast. 180 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,520 "So they ushered me off the carpet and sent us down 181 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:56,820 to the basement." 182 00:08:56,820 --> 00:08:59,780 There are countless feuds in Hollywood between actors, 183 00:08:59,950 --> 00:09:01,620 between directors and stars. 184 00:09:01,780 --> 00:09:05,080 It's very rare at a premiere for them not to, you know, 185 00:09:05,250 --> 00:09:07,180 at least look like they're buddy-buddy. 186 00:09:09,220 --> 00:09:13,720 "It Ends with Us" was a financially successful movie. 187 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,880 It made way more than it cost to film and market the movie, 188 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:22,780 and there was also a lot of hope that the very important 189 00:09:22,780 --> 00:09:26,320 topic of domestic violence would be 190 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,420 resonating with the masses. 191 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,480 That was it. 192 00:09:32,650 --> 00:09:36,120 The story began in the summer of 2024, 193 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,820 and it was nonstop after that. 194 00:09:39,980 --> 00:09:42,420 {\an8}During the entire promotion of this film, Blake Lively 195 00:09:42,580 --> 00:09:45,180 {\an8}hasn't been seen with Justin, the main actor and director. 196 00:09:45,180 --> 00:09:47,820 {\an8}But of course, fans are theorizing, as fans do. 197 00:09:47,980 --> 00:09:49,280 [Emily] And boom, you have a feud. 198 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,720 There was serious beef between Baldoni and Lively. 199 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,680 The treating of this as just kind of a fluffy 200 00:09:54,680 --> 00:09:55,980 celebrity feud -- 201 00:09:56,150 --> 00:09:58,480 the actual story is, I think, a lot darker and a lot more 202 00:09:58,480 --> 00:09:59,920 complex than that. 203 00:10:02,380 --> 00:10:07,020 I had been covering celebrities across three decades, 204 00:10:07,020 --> 00:10:10,620 and I had not seen a story this big... 205 00:10:11,620 --> 00:10:12,720 period. 206 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,020 [overlapping voices] Blake, right here. Blake, right here. 207 00:10:19,180 --> 00:10:23,080 [Perez] At the time of the release of "It Ends with Us," Blake Lively 208 00:10:23,250 --> 00:10:26,380 {\an8}was getting a lot of negative feedback on social media. 209 00:10:26,550 --> 00:10:29,880 {\an8}Director, we didn't have one of those for this movie. 210 00:10:30,050 --> 00:10:33,880 {\an8}[Perez] It seemed like everything she was saying 211 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,380 {\an8}was rubbing social media the wrong way. 212 00:10:36,380 --> 00:10:38,080 {\an8}Look at me in flowers, Lily Bloom. 213 00:10:38,250 --> 00:10:39,380 {\an8}It's neoprene. 214 00:10:39,380 --> 00:10:43,820 {\an8}There were so many strange memes right after and videos 215 00:10:43,980 --> 00:10:46,120 {\an3}about, like, kind of being difficult to work with. 216 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:47,180 {\an3}[woman 2] Congrats on the premiere. 217 00:10:47,180 --> 00:10:49,080 {\an3}And congrats on being a fat bitch. 218 00:10:49,250 --> 00:10:53,420 {\an3}This, I think, really launched this "mean girl" energy. 219 00:10:53,580 --> 00:10:55,820 {\an3}People were making a big deal of her promoting 220 00:10:55,980 --> 00:10:57,120 all of her businesses. 221 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:58,580 -I'll start here. -OK. 222 00:10:58,750 --> 00:11:01,020 And it's dry shampoo, but really, you know, 223 00:11:01,020 --> 00:11:02,620 it smells amazing. 224 00:11:02,780 --> 00:11:04,680 {\an3}[Perez] While shying away from 225 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:07,720 {\an3}the very important topic of domestic violence. 226 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,320 {\an3}[reporter] What has been the best part in making this particular movie? 227 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,680 {\an3}I've noticed so many beautiful crystals on teeth. 228 00:11:15,680 --> 00:11:16,980 {\an3}Is that a big fashion thing? 229 00:11:17,150 --> 00:11:20,020 [TikToker] Using a movie about domestic violence to sell stuff? 230 00:11:20,020 --> 00:11:21,180 It's not a good look. 231 00:11:21,350 --> 00:11:24,480 She was full of giggles and laughter, 232 00:11:24,650 --> 00:11:27,280 and, oh, wanted to promote her liquor brand. 233 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,020 Like nothing says domestic violence 234 00:11:30,020 --> 00:11:31,720 like a bottle of tequila. What? 235 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:33,520 [Natasha] On social media especially, 236 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:37,680 there was criticism of the way that she would kind of be 237 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:39,380 perhaps a little bit lighthearted during 238 00:11:39,380 --> 00:11:40,480 certain interviews. 239 00:11:45,180 --> 00:11:49,920 There was an interview with a journalist that portrayed 240 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,350 Blake to be a mean girl. 241 00:11:51,350 --> 00:11:54,320 She was quoted as saying it was the worst interview she's ever 242 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:55,680 given in her career. 243 00:12:01,820 --> 00:12:03,320 [Kjersti] I'm an entertainment reporter. 244 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,720 I'm originally from Norway, but I've been living in the US 245 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:08,680 for 20 years. 246 00:12:10,020 --> 00:12:13,120 I watched the movie, and it reminded me of that 247 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:14,680 interview I'd had with her. 248 00:12:14,850 --> 00:12:17,380 First of all, congrats on your little bump. 249 00:12:17,380 --> 00:12:20,780 At the time of her interview, Blake Lively had confirmed 250 00:12:20,780 --> 00:12:23,980 her pregnancy, so it wasn't speculation. 251 00:12:24,150 --> 00:12:26,120 It was just, "Congratulations." 252 00:12:27,020 --> 00:12:28,680 Congrats on your little bump. 253 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:30,680 I still don't understand what 254 00:12:30,850 --> 00:12:32,620 triggered Blake Lively. 255 00:12:32,780 --> 00:12:37,020 That journalist was just trying to break the ice. 256 00:12:37,020 --> 00:12:39,480 What about my bump? 257 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,480 Kjersti ends up saying it was the worst interview of all time. 258 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,680 There's footage and clips of this interview 259 00:12:44,850 --> 00:12:46,220 that are so tense. 260 00:12:46,380 --> 00:12:49,520 Did you guys love wearing those kind of clothes that you -- 261 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:51,080 -Yeah. -Yeah. 262 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:52,680 -And, you know, working in digital -- -Everyone wants to talk about 263 00:12:52,850 --> 00:12:54,580 the clothes, but I wonder if they would ask the men 264 00:12:54,750 --> 00:12:56,220 about the clothes. 265 00:12:56,380 --> 00:12:57,580 I would. 266 00:12:57,580 --> 00:12:59,280 [Kjersti] I thought, OK, this is not going well. 267 00:12:59,450 --> 00:13:00,980 And from there on, 268 00:13:01,150 --> 00:13:03,280 they just basically ignored me. 269 00:13:03,450 --> 00:13:05,280 I love Jesse's suits and hat. 270 00:13:05,450 --> 00:13:08,920 -That's what I'm saying. His wardrobe was beautiful. -Oh, I know. 271 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,180 {\an8}This Kjersti Flaa interview 272 00:13:11,350 --> 00:13:14,280 {\an8}had never been shared publicly before. 273 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,180 {\an8}That's why it went super viral. 274 00:13:17,350 --> 00:13:19,120 {\an8}[gasps] Mic drop. 275 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,680 {\an8}Mic drop -- does not even look at the interviewer. 276 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:23,020 {\an8}It is so pointed. 277 00:13:23,020 --> 00:13:27,720 {\an8}It got a ton of attention, and it definitely did not help 278 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,380 {\an8}Blake Lively. 279 00:13:38,020 --> 00:13:40,980 On December 20th, Blake Lively files a complaint. 280 00:13:41,150 --> 00:13:42,880 It broke headlines. 281 00:13:43,050 --> 00:13:44,980 [reporter] Blake Lively shocking Hollywood 282 00:13:45,150 --> 00:13:47,720 with a new explosive legal complaint... 283 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,120 about what she says was happening behind the scenes 284 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,120 of her film "It Ends with Us." 285 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,580 {\an8}Actress Blake Lively accusing "It Ends with Us" 286 00:13:55,750 --> 00:13:58,020 {\an8}co-star and director Justin Baldoni 287 00:13:58,020 --> 00:13:59,580 {\an8}of sexual harassment. 288 00:14:05,620 --> 00:14:09,420 {\an8}According to Blake Lively, back in May of 2023, 289 00:14:09,580 --> 00:14:12,180 {\an8}things happened with Justin Baldoni that made 290 00:14:12,350 --> 00:14:17,820 {\an8}her feel uncomfortable, and she says that she reported it. 291 00:14:17,980 --> 00:14:22,220 [Natasha] There was a meeting where they agreed upon a document of 292 00:14:22,380 --> 00:14:24,820 protocol that should be enforced on set, 293 00:14:24,980 --> 00:14:28,620 that Blake says is directly in reference to concerns that 294 00:14:28,780 --> 00:14:30,180 she had raised. 295 00:14:30,180 --> 00:14:32,380 It is very specific. 296 00:14:32,380 --> 00:14:35,680 Blake Lively says she included items 297 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,780 that she and Wayfarer Studios and Justin Baldoni 298 00:14:39,780 --> 00:14:43,320 all agreed in a production meeting. 299 00:14:45,780 --> 00:14:51,280 They're really specific items that allude to verbal 300 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:55,480 or physical sexual conduct that occurred. 301 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,720 She says that Justin would repeatedly walk into 302 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:04,020 her trailer unannounced while she was by the breastfeeding, 303 00:15:04,020 --> 00:15:06,680 pumping, or in a state of undress. 304 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:11,620 She alleged the intimate scenes would be improvised 305 00:15:11,780 --> 00:15:13,280 and done over and over again, 306 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,720 more than was typically required on such a set. 307 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,580 These items seem to fit under sexual harassment. 308 00:15:20,580 --> 00:15:25,580 And when they go back to recording, Blake Lively says, 309 00:15:25,580 --> 00:15:27,780 "I don't want these things to happen again." 310 00:15:27,780 --> 00:15:30,720 Basically, "This was making me uncomfortable." 311 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,820 [Natasha] It repeatedly says the phrase, "No more." 312 00:15:33,980 --> 00:15:36,320 "No more" doing this kind of behavior. 313 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,580 There was actually a signed agreement between 314 00:15:39,750 --> 00:15:42,080 the parties not to have it continued. 315 00:15:42,250 --> 00:15:44,220 How could you not agree? 316 00:15:44,380 --> 00:15:47,620 I mean, it's so obvious that you cannot do that 317 00:15:47,780 --> 00:15:48,980 in a workplace. 318 00:15:54,820 --> 00:15:59,980 Something that was upsetting to me is that this is 319 00:16:00,220 --> 00:16:02,980 one of the few very popular movies 320 00:16:03,150 --> 00:16:05,280 that deals with domestic violence. 321 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,580 What are you doing? Stop. 322 00:16:07,750 --> 00:16:09,420 Stop. What are you doing? 323 00:16:09,580 --> 00:16:11,980 -Sh, sh, sh. -What are you doing? Stop -- stop. 324 00:16:12,150 --> 00:16:14,380 [Natasha] It's the core plot point. 325 00:16:14,550 --> 00:16:16,880 To have these allegations saying one of the major 326 00:16:17,050 --> 00:16:20,080 creative forces behind this was actually engaging in 327 00:16:20,250 --> 00:16:23,120 misogynistic content himself, it's pretty upsetting. 328 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,080 {\an8}[Matthew] What made part of these allegations so shocking was 329 00:16:27,250 --> 00:16:30,520 {\an8}that Justin Baldoni has a podcast where he talks about 330 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,380 {\an8}how men can be allies to women and how men can be better in 331 00:16:33,380 --> 00:16:34,620 {\an8}their relationships to women. 332 00:16:34,620 --> 00:16:37,280 {\an8}If you know the film and you've been following along and read 333 00:16:37,450 --> 00:16:42,020 {\an8}the book, how could he do this? I mean, how could he do this? 334 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,880 {\an8}Several of the key players involved in the making of 335 00:16:47,050 --> 00:16:49,180 {\an8}"It Ends with Us," Colleen Hoover 336 00:16:49,180 --> 00:16:52,820 {\an8}to one of the lead actors in it, Brandon Sklenar, 337 00:16:52,980 --> 00:16:56,180 {\an8}have all come out publicly supporting 338 00:16:56,350 --> 00:16:57,820 {\an8}Blake Lively. 339 00:16:57,980 --> 00:17:01,680 Brandon Sklenar shared a post directing people 340 00:17:01,850 --> 00:17:06,580 to read her complaint, including a little heart emoji 341 00:17:06,580 --> 00:17:08,280 and tagging Blake Lively. 342 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,120 I saw social media sentiment shift more in favor 343 00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:14,280 of Blake than it had been, certainly. 344 00:17:14,450 --> 00:17:16,880 {\an8}You know, if you read the complaint, I think she had 345 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:19,880 {\an8}very valid reasons why she wouldn't want to show up 346 00:17:20,050 --> 00:17:22,020 {\an8}to work in an environment like that. 347 00:17:22,180 --> 00:17:24,180 {\an8}She's not doing this because it's fun 348 00:17:24,350 --> 00:17:25,280 {\an8}or it's gonna get her anything. 349 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,020 {\an8}She's doing this probably because she has 350 00:17:27,180 --> 00:17:29,080 {\an8}daughters at home and feels the need to stand up 351 00:17:29,250 --> 00:17:31,180 {\an8}for what she went through. 352 00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:39,380 [Emily] Literally, a day after, 353 00:17:40,420 --> 00:17:42,580 you see this complaint come out. 354 00:17:42,750 --> 00:17:46,280 The New York Times rolls out the big headline. 355 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:59,380 My initial response to the explosive New York Times 356 00:17:59,380 --> 00:18:02,020 article was shock. 357 00:18:04,220 --> 00:18:06,880 [Matthew] This New York Times article comes out that alleges this 358 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:12,080 whole campaign was orchestrated against her by Justin and his 359 00:18:12,250 --> 00:18:16,880 PR team to make her seem like a bad person. 360 00:18:17,050 --> 00:18:20,720 The New York Times reported Blake Lively, in her complaint, 361 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,780 says that Justin Baldoni hired 362 00:18:22,780 --> 00:18:25,280 not only his PR person Jennifer Abel, 363 00:18:25,450 --> 00:18:28,120 but a crisis management person, Melissa Nathan, 364 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:31,320 to orchestrate a smear campaign against her. 365 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:32,580 [Matthew] There were comments saying, 366 00:18:32,580 --> 00:18:34,380 "We're gonna bury Blake Lively." 367 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,880 [keyboard tapping] 368 00:18:45,050 --> 00:18:48,380 [Natasha] The second part of her suit alleges that at least part of 369 00:18:48,380 --> 00:18:51,720 the negativity that we saw that summer towards her 370 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,280 was orchestrated by people working with Justin Baldoni 371 00:18:55,450 --> 00:18:59,380 to be able to cover their tracks should she come public 372 00:18:59,550 --> 00:19:02,680 about experiencing alleged sexual misconduct. 373 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:08,080 [Emily] If this happened, really, they did a genius job 374 00:19:08,250 --> 00:19:14,380 on the front end of building up this database of unsavory 375 00:19:14,550 --> 00:19:16,420 narrative towards Blake. 376 00:19:16,580 --> 00:19:20,020 [Matthew] The PR dark arts were getting exposed. 377 00:19:20,180 --> 00:19:22,280 Something that's always been behind the curtains, 378 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,120 something that you don't really see, but you understand 379 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:26,280 is happening. 380 00:19:35,780 --> 00:19:39,280 [Perez] Just the sheer volume of allegations that she was making 381 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:43,180 against him, I thought, "Wow, wow, I -- I feel 382 00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:45,080 so bad for her." 383 00:19:47,020 --> 00:19:51,480 You can be one of the most wealthy and successful 384 00:19:51,650 --> 00:19:55,280 people in your industry and still face alleged 385 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,680 retaliation for speaking up, for making allegations 386 00:19:58,850 --> 00:20:02,720 of sexual misconduct, I think it's extremely alarming. 387 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,920 [Emily] So, like, maybe she can be a mean girl sometimes, 388 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,280 but when it comes to this film, 389 00:20:09,450 --> 00:20:11,920 what is going on with this Justin guy? 390 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:15,480 So, all of a sudden, she had some public favor. 391 00:20:16,780 --> 00:20:19,680 Everybody was sympathetic towards Blake Lively, 392 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,320 and then things shifted. 393 00:20:32,180 --> 00:20:35,320 That New York Times story was so damning that it made it seem 394 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:36,780 like there was no way that Justin Baldoni 395 00:20:36,780 --> 00:20:38,380 could come back from this. 396 00:20:38,550 --> 00:20:41,180 [Kjersti] Then, all of a sudden, Justin Baldoni then files 397 00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:43,480 a libel lawsuit against The New York Times 398 00:20:43,650 --> 00:20:46,220 for $250 million. 399 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:53,720 [Perez] The thing that really shook me was his lawsuit included 400 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,320 texts and emails 401 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,020 between Justin Baldoni and Melissa Nathan 402 00:20:59,180 --> 00:21:03,120 to show they were not planting stories in the media 403 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:04,780 about Blake Lively. 404 00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:07,620 According to Baldoni, the New York Times edited 405 00:21:07,780 --> 00:21:10,380 conversations and didn't give us full context, 406 00:21:10,550 --> 00:21:13,120 and they didn't give him and his lawyers 407 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:15,120 enough time to respond. 408 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,920 But it's not the New York Times' job 409 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:24,220 to give all sides of the story. 410 00:21:24,380 --> 00:21:26,180 You might not like that, 411 00:21:26,180 --> 00:21:29,080 but that doesn't open them up to liability. 412 00:21:29,820 --> 00:21:33,920 Under US defamation law, Justin Baldoni has the burden 413 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,680 to prove that the New York Times 414 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,720 lied or knowingly lied, 415 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,720 and that what they were saying was false. 416 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,180 A quick defense is, "Let's go after the journalist 417 00:21:46,350 --> 00:21:49,920 {\an8}or the outlet that did me dirty." 418 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,120 {\an8}That's a quick way to get it out in the public. 419 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:58,220 {\an8}[Natasha] I think if you choose to go with Blake Lively's claims, 420 00:21:58,380 --> 00:22:01,520 {\an8}which I will say in general, I think are credible, this is 421 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,180 {\an8}a story of a man who abused his power on set 422 00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:09,320 {\an8}and alleges that there was a smear campaign 423 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,320 {\an8}orchestrated by people working with Justin Baldoni. 424 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,220 {\an8}[Perez] I believe victims should be believed. 425 00:22:15,380 --> 00:22:18,380 {\an8}However, is Blake Lively a victim? 426 00:22:18,550 --> 00:22:20,520 {\an8}That is the question. 427 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,120 [Emily] And then, all of a sudden, after suing the New York Times, 428 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:35,120 Justin countersues Blake for $400 million. 429 00:22:36,420 --> 00:22:39,580 I mean, this is a big jaw-drop moment. 430 00:22:39,580 --> 00:22:44,180 $250 million, $400 million, these are shock numbers. 431 00:22:44,350 --> 00:22:46,520 These are there to gain attention. 432 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,280 He's saying that she made a false sexual harassment claim. 433 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,880 Unlike any case that I've handled 434 00:23:04,050 --> 00:23:05,350 in my entire career, 435 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:10,020 it's the one case we're gonna put every single text message, 436 00:23:10,180 --> 00:23:14,680 every single document, everything on a website. 437 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,780 Hundreds of pages of legal allegations, 438 00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:21,120 text messages, photos. 439 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,280 You have the timeline of events. 440 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,120 So much information. 441 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:28,680 Let me tell you, the internet sleuths, 442 00:23:28,850 --> 00:23:34,780 {\an3}everybody was going after what was in that 168-page document. 443 00:23:34,780 --> 00:23:37,680 {\an3}Justin Baldoni's legal team have just launched a website. 444 00:23:37,850 --> 00:23:39,880 {\an3}Justin promised us all the receipts, 445 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,180 {\an3}and he came through. 446 00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:44,020 {\an3}He countered her, point by point, saying, 447 00:23:44,020 --> 00:23:46,880 {\an3}"She claimed this, but in reality, 448 00:23:47,050 --> 00:23:49,120 {\an3}here's what truly happened." 449 00:23:51,580 --> 00:23:54,680 And one of the examples he gives is that Blake Lively 450 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,120 herself invited him into the trailer 451 00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:59,080 while she was breastfeeding. 452 00:23:59,250 --> 00:24:01,120 And then later on, 453 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,920 she uses that as a basis for something he's done wrong. 454 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:09,380 Blake Lively alleges that a senior member of the studio 455 00:24:09,550 --> 00:24:13,420 showed her a nude video of his wife giving birth. 456 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,020 They allege, rather, that, 457 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,450 "No, she asked to see the footage." 458 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,380 Blake Lively is accusing Justin Baldoni 459 00:24:26,380 --> 00:24:29,420 of asking her trainer for her weight. 460 00:24:29,580 --> 00:24:31,520 So she said that that was fat shaming. 461 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,020 He says he has a back problem, and there was a scene where 462 00:24:35,180 --> 00:24:36,480 he needed to lift her. 463 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,180 [Dina] His argument isn't really that those items didn't happen. 464 00:24:40,350 --> 00:24:43,180 He just is saying that there's a different perspective, 465 00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:44,480 that they were really more consensual. 466 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,120 Both sides absolutely 467 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,220 want to get their perspective out. 468 00:24:52,620 --> 00:24:55,680 [Perez] Amongst many allegations that Blake Lively made, 469 00:24:55,850 --> 00:25:00,480 she said that Justin Baldoni did not stick to what they had 470 00:25:00,650 --> 00:25:02,920 agreed upon when filming intimate moments, 471 00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:07,420 specifically in that infamous dance sequence. 472 00:25:07,580 --> 00:25:09,620 So what did Justin Baldoni do? 473 00:25:09,780 --> 00:25:11,080 His lawyer released 474 00:25:11,250 --> 00:25:13,780 10-plus minutes of unedited footage 475 00:25:13,780 --> 00:25:17,580 that let the public see and decide for themselves 476 00:25:17,580 --> 00:25:19,320 {\an8}what they were looking at. 477 00:25:27,020 --> 00:25:29,180 {\an8}[crew] Ryan, go to the bar. Ryan, go to the bar. 478 00:25:35,820 --> 00:25:38,580 {\an8}Justin Baldoni released the footage to try 479 00:25:38,580 --> 00:25:41,880 {\an8}and make the case that he did nothing wrong. 480 00:25:42,050 --> 00:25:45,120 {\an8}You know, for a lot of people it did seemingly vindicate him. 481 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:04,220 {\an8}One of the "slam dunks" that Baldoni's team suggests is, 482 00:26:04,380 --> 00:26:06,580 "Well, we had an intimacy coordinator, 483 00:26:06,750 --> 00:26:08,380 and you didn't want to meet with her." 484 00:26:08,380 --> 00:26:10,880 And text messages show, at least, 485 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,680 that Blake did not meet with the intimacy coordinator 486 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,020 before shooting started. 487 00:26:16,580 --> 00:26:18,620 But in her original document, 488 00:26:18,780 --> 00:26:20,680 she asks for an intimacy coordinator 489 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,220 to be on set at all times 490 00:26:22,380 --> 00:26:24,680 whenever she's filming with Baldoni. 491 00:26:28,980 --> 00:26:32,620 [Mia] I'm an intimacy coordinator for TV, film, and theater. 492 00:26:33,780 --> 00:26:37,280 {\an8}The role of intimacy coordinator, um, is still 493 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:42,780 {\an8}relatively new in TV and film, and there are certain standards 494 00:26:42,780 --> 00:26:48,280 {\an8}and protocols that we adhere to shooting, uh, simulated sex 495 00:26:48,450 --> 00:26:51,680 {\an8}and nude scenes, doing our best to help the director achieve 496 00:26:51,850 --> 00:26:54,720 their vision while staying within the actor's comfort. 497 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,020 In my experience, when an actor says, 498 00:26:59,180 --> 00:27:02,220 "I don't need to meet the intimacy coordinator until we're shooting," 499 00:27:02,380 --> 00:27:06,180 it does typically indicate that they trust their scene partner, 500 00:27:06,350 --> 00:27:08,120 which is a beautiful thing. 501 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:13,280 And those texts made me think that at one point, she did feel 502 00:27:13,450 --> 00:27:14,980 a lot of trust with him. 503 00:27:15,150 --> 00:27:17,280 Blake's team then comes in and says, 504 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,420 "Oh no, this is exactly what we're talking about. 505 00:27:19,580 --> 00:27:20,880 {\an8}She's uncomfortable." 506 00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:27,180 {\an8}[crew person] Ryan, go to the bar. Ryan, go to the bar. 507 00:27:33,780 --> 00:27:37,380 {\an8}In the script for that scene, the description is, 508 00:27:37,380 --> 00:27:41,280 {\an8}"They slow dance, lost in their own world." 509 00:27:43,180 --> 00:27:46,820 {\an8}No mention of a kiss, no mention of any kind of 510 00:27:46,980 --> 00:27:50,780 sexual touch or intimate touch beyond an embrace, maybe? 511 00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:53,380 Blake Lively alleged that he would do 512 00:27:53,380 --> 00:27:58,280 unapproved movements and -- and contact and kissing 513 00:27:58,450 --> 00:28:00,080 and smelling her neck. 514 00:28:11,580 --> 00:28:15,020 [Mia] Blake says that there wasn't an intimacy coordinator present 515 00:28:15,180 --> 00:28:17,080 for certain intimate scenes. 516 00:28:17,250 --> 00:28:22,580 From what I've heard, it seems like there were scenes that 517 00:28:22,750 --> 00:28:26,920 did not have intimacy written, but then intimacy was added. 518 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,680 That video of the slow dance is a perfect example of that. 519 00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:35,320 [Dina] The dance scene, both sides think it's great for them. 520 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,580 So when this goes to trial, that video will for sure be 521 00:28:39,580 --> 00:28:42,620 shown in front of a jury, and you'll hear two completely 522 00:28:42,780 --> 00:28:45,580 different perspectives on what that video is. 523 00:28:48,020 --> 00:28:51,320 But Justin Baldoni said, "Had Lively chosen to merely 524 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,920 "write out the self-inflicted press catastrophe she faced in 525 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,680 "August of 2024, the public would likely have 526 00:28:57,850 --> 00:29:00,180 "moved on and never known the truth about her. 527 00:29:00,350 --> 00:29:02,820 "They would have never known that she deliberately 528 00:29:02,980 --> 00:29:05,880 "and systematically robbed plaintiffs Justin Baldoni 529 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,380 and Wayfarer Studios of their movie." 530 00:29:15,980 --> 00:29:19,220 Justin Baldoni says in his counterclaim that, 531 00:29:19,380 --> 00:29:22,180 "Almost immediately, Lively began inserting herself 532 00:29:22,350 --> 00:29:25,620 "into the production process in intrusive ways well beyond 533 00:29:25,780 --> 00:29:28,480 the scope of her contractual entitlement." 534 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,520 Basically, he's saying, her saying that she needed 535 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,380 creative control over the project and threatening to 536 00:29:34,550 --> 00:29:36,680 {\an8}walk out if she didn't get that creative control 537 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,880 {\an8}amounted to extortion. 538 00:29:39,050 --> 00:29:41,480 {\an8}There's this one now very, um, 539 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,880 {\an8}viral video of her appearance at a Forbes summit, 540 00:29:46,050 --> 00:29:49,480 where she was talking about demanding and wanting 541 00:29:49,650 --> 00:29:53,020 and needing control of every aspect of movie making. 542 00:29:53,020 --> 00:29:55,920 [Blake] I wanted to be a part of the storytelling, that I wanted 543 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,520 to be a part of the narrative, whether that be in the writing, 544 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,020 in the costume design, in creating the character. 545 00:30:01,020 --> 00:30:03,180 I actually need to have authorship in order to 546 00:30:03,180 --> 00:30:04,220 feel fulfilled. 547 00:30:04,380 --> 00:30:07,680 There is a core scene in the movie, it's when 548 00:30:07,850 --> 00:30:10,520 Ryle and Lily meet for the first time. 549 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,120 I once read that 550 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,020 maraschino cherries stay in your stomach 551 00:30:14,180 --> 00:30:15,920 for like seven years. 552 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,080 [Natasha] It takes place on a rooftop, it's a very pivotal scene, 553 00:30:20,020 --> 00:30:22,220 and Blake has said that Ryan Reynolds 554 00:30:22,380 --> 00:30:24,920 wrote at least some of this scene. 555 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,980 The iconic rooftop scene in this movie, my husband actually 556 00:30:27,150 --> 00:30:29,180 wrote it, nobody knows that, but you now. 557 00:30:29,180 --> 00:30:31,380 He's all over this film. 558 00:30:31,380 --> 00:30:35,480 In Justin's lawsuit, he alleges that there was 559 00:30:35,650 --> 00:30:38,880 a meeting in Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds' 560 00:30:39,050 --> 00:30:41,220 New York City penthouse, 561 00:30:41,380 --> 00:30:47,880 where he felt pressured by both Ryan Reynolds and Taylor Swift 562 00:30:48,050 --> 00:30:51,780 to acquiesce to some of the changes that Blake Lively 563 00:30:51,780 --> 00:30:54,220 had wanted to make to the script. 564 00:30:54,380 --> 00:30:57,080 [Matthew] He felt that Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds were 565 00:30:57,250 --> 00:31:00,220 coming in to try to create their own version of the film. 566 00:31:00,380 --> 00:31:01,880 -[paparazzi chatting] -[camera shutters snapping] 567 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,520 [Kjersti] Most of us reacted very strongly to the text message 568 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,120 that Blake had sent to Justin Baldoni, explaining that 569 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,780 she's Khaleesi from "Game of Thrones," 570 00:31:11,780 --> 00:31:13,780 and she has dragons. 571 00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:19,020 It wasn't in the message who her dragons were. 572 00:31:19,180 --> 00:31:23,120 To me, it was like, obvious that it was Ryan Reynolds 573 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,880 and Taylor Swift she was referring to. 574 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,880 So, by saying that, it was like 575 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,420 a nicely put little "threat," I would say. 576 00:31:31,580 --> 00:31:34,580 I find it interesting that Blake is both framed 577 00:31:34,750 --> 00:31:38,180 as this incredibly powerful person who, you know, 578 00:31:38,350 --> 00:31:40,520 can use Taylor Swift and everyone in her arsenal 579 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,420 to do whatever she wants, but also she needs to rely on 580 00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:47,920 manipulating sexual harassment in order to get her way. 581 00:31:56,380 --> 00:31:59,180 Hey, Blake, it is, uh, 582 00:31:59,350 --> 00:32:00,920 {\an8}two in the morning, um, 583 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,780 {\an8}hopefully this does not wake you up. 584 00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:07,980 {\an8}So Justin Baldoni releases this voicemail that he leaves 2 a.m. 585 00:32:08,150 --> 00:32:10,520 {\an8}to Blake Lively, apologizing. 586 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:16,580 {\an8}I'm really sorry, um, I -- I for sure fell short. 587 00:32:16,580 --> 00:32:18,880 {\an8}It's, you know, he's showing some level of understanding, 588 00:32:19,050 --> 00:32:20,080 {\an8}but it's also, you know, 589 00:32:20,250 --> 00:32:21,320 {\an8}he's admitting some level of fault. 590 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,280 So it's kind of, you know, one of those things that 591 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,320 you can spin it either way. 592 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,720 And damn right, you got great friends. 593 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,320 We should all have friends like that, aside from the fact that 594 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,020 they're two of the most creative people on the planet. 595 00:32:33,180 --> 00:32:36,320 What I mainly got from the message was that he was 596 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,580 really desperately trying to please Blake. 597 00:32:39,580 --> 00:32:42,480 He was like, "Whatever you say, I'll do." 598 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,120 I'm sorry. [laughing] 599 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,980 You probably have kids all over you and a baby on your boob, 600 00:32:48,150 --> 00:32:50,180 and you're listening to me ramble at two in the morning. 601 00:32:50,180 --> 00:32:51,680 It's 2 a.m. in the morning. 602 00:32:51,850 --> 00:32:53,580 There were definitely people who thought 603 00:32:53,580 --> 00:32:54,780 it was a little creepy. 604 00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:56,520 There's others who say, 605 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,280 "Hey, she texted him right before. 606 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,380 This was a justified voice call." 607 00:33:01,380 --> 00:33:05,080 But, as a lawyer, I think, why release something that 608 00:33:05,250 --> 00:33:07,820 does -- it is a little questionable of whether or not 609 00:33:07,980 --> 00:33:09,520 that's appropriate in a workplace. 610 00:33:14,020 --> 00:33:18,480 Baldoni is claiming that Blake Lively threatening that if 611 00:33:18,650 --> 00:33:21,180 she doesn't get the edit, she's not going to maybe 612 00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:22,580 appear at the premiere. 613 00:33:22,750 --> 00:33:24,120 He was basically giving over 614 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,480 his creative control of the film. 615 00:33:26,650 --> 00:33:29,880 I believe that Sony, the film's distributor 616 00:33:30,050 --> 00:33:33,420 and major financer, they were scared, 617 00:33:33,580 --> 00:33:35,480 in my opinion, of Blake Lively. 618 00:33:35,650 --> 00:33:36,780 [paparazzi chatting] 619 00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:40,480 The bigger star tends to get backed because 620 00:33:40,650 --> 00:33:41,650 at the end of the day, 621 00:33:41,650 --> 00:33:44,020 the studio wants this to make a lot of money, 622 00:33:44,020 --> 00:33:47,920 and the bigger star is gonna draw a bigger audience. 623 00:33:50,380 --> 00:33:52,620 If she took complete editorial control of the film, 624 00:33:52,780 --> 00:33:54,180 that's not a crime. 625 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,420 Who's to say that Baldoni's version was inherently better? 626 00:33:59,780 --> 00:34:06,180 I wonder why we're not framing this as a woman potentially 627 00:34:06,180 --> 00:34:08,880 experiencing misconduct on set, as she's alleged, 628 00:34:10,620 --> 00:34:12,720 taking part in a movie that we know she cares about, 629 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,780 and then... 630 00:34:14,780 --> 00:34:16,680 making editorial decisions 631 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,680 that are ultimately for the best of it. 632 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,820 [Matthew] In the end, Blake Lively kind of emerged victorious, 633 00:34:21,980 --> 00:34:25,280 because what ended up getting shown was the rooftop scene 634 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,920 that Ryan Reynolds wrote, and a lot of, you know, 635 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,780 her cut we ended up seeing in theaters. 636 00:34:29,950 --> 00:34:32,820 [paparazzi yelling] Ryan! 637 00:34:32,980 --> 00:34:34,880 As "It Ends with Us" is coming out, 638 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,680 "Deadpool & Wolverine" also comes out. 639 00:34:36,850 --> 00:34:39,720 We see a lot of cross-promotion and a lot of Blake and Ryan 640 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,780 in the news together. 641 00:34:41,780 --> 00:34:43,580 Within "Deadpool & Wolverine," 642 00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:45,780 there's a character called "Nicepool." 643 00:34:45,780 --> 00:34:49,020 And where in God's name is the intimacy coordinator? 644 00:34:49,180 --> 00:34:51,380 Bryan Freedman, Baldoni's lawyer, 645 00:34:51,550 --> 00:34:55,520 issues a letter to Disney saying that this character 646 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,420 is clearly making fun of Justin. 647 00:34:57,580 --> 00:34:59,120 Who are you? 648 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,180 Oh, I'm Deadpool, but in here, everybody calls me Nicepool. 649 00:35:03,350 --> 00:35:06,780 Nicepool has a man bun, like Justin Baldoni, 650 00:35:07,780 --> 00:35:09,080 and he makes 651 00:35:09,250 --> 00:35:12,380 references to Lady Deadpool, who was voiced by Blake. 652 00:35:12,380 --> 00:35:14,520 [Lady Deadpool] Oh, we're just getting started. 653 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,280 He even talks about Ladypool's body 654 00:35:18,450 --> 00:35:19,880 after just giving birth. 655 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,380 Oh my goodness, wait till you see Ladypool. 656 00:35:21,380 --> 00:35:22,550 She is gorgeous. 657 00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:24,780 She just had a baby too, and... [blows air through lips] 658 00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:27,280 -Can't even tell. -I don't think you're supposed to say that. 659 00:35:27,450 --> 00:35:28,880 That's OK. 660 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,780 -I identify as a feminist. -Right. 661 00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:34,380 Here I am, doing my part, trying to be a feminist. 662 00:35:34,380 --> 00:35:38,380 There's so many parallels to what happened in the real world 663 00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:42,120 on the set of "It Ends with Us." 664 00:35:44,580 --> 00:35:47,480 As part of the lawyer's assessment of this, 665 00:35:47,650 --> 00:35:49,880 he points to the fact, "Well, Lively clearly couldn't 666 00:35:50,050 --> 00:35:52,620 "have undergone something as serious as sexual harassment if 667 00:35:52,780 --> 00:35:54,580 they're making fun of it in a movie." 668 00:35:54,580 --> 00:35:56,180 I don't think that's the case. 669 00:35:56,180 --> 00:35:59,520 I think people cope with many things with humor. 670 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:00,880 {\an8}All of a sudden... 671 00:36:01,980 --> 00:36:04,380 {\an8}we're yo-yoed back to, 672 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,380 {\an8}"Wow, maybe this is like the most high-school fight that 673 00:36:09,380 --> 00:36:13,780 {\an8}"we're ever privy to that people with millions of dollars 674 00:36:13,780 --> 00:36:15,320 can do with each other." 675 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,080 Maybe they're both wrong. 676 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,020 {\an3}A trial date has been set for Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni 677 00:36:37,020 --> 00:36:38,320 {\an3}to battle it out in court. 678 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,880 {\an3}We now have a date, but it is not until March of 2026. 679 00:36:43,780 --> 00:36:46,980 {\an3}As of now, Blake Lively has promised to bring forward 680 00:36:47,150 --> 00:36:48,980 two more women from "It Ends with Us" 681 00:36:49,150 --> 00:36:52,880 who say that Justin Baldoni mistreated her 682 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,080 and mistreated them on set. 683 00:36:54,250 --> 00:36:56,380 And if that comes to fruition, that would be a big deal 684 00:36:56,380 --> 00:36:57,650 for the case. 685 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,380 [Dina] My professional opinion, Blake Lively has a stronger 686 00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:05,320 case because all of Justin Baldoni's arguments 687 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,780 about fame and control don't really refute 688 00:37:08,780 --> 00:37:11,020 her claim of sexual harassment. 689 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,620 Those allegations, the improvising of 690 00:37:14,780 --> 00:37:17,920 the kissing, the showing, describing his genitalia, 691 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,520 talking about pornography, regardless of where 692 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,280 your workplace is, those seem to be pretty strong basis for 693 00:37:24,450 --> 00:37:26,020 a claim of sexual harassment. 694 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,080 [Perez] Even though it seems like a lot of social media is supporting 695 00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:34,120 Justin Baldoni, the longer this goes on, 696 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:38,020 the more reputational damage they will both suffer. 697 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,680 You've gotta consider that Justin Baldoni 698 00:37:42,850 --> 00:37:44,580 might be the problem. 699 00:37:44,750 --> 00:37:47,220 {\an3}[Matthew] The social media algorithms portion of this is really 700 00:37:47,380 --> 00:37:50,780 {\an3}interesting, because you get fed something very personal. 701 00:37:50,780 --> 00:37:55,120 {\an3}What she is accusing him of is so harsh and so disrespectful. 702 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,720 {\an3}If you are getting fed a lot of things about Justin Baldoni 703 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,020 being a good guy, you're gonna keep getting fed that. 704 00:38:02,180 --> 00:38:04,580 {\an8}The same goes for people that are on Blake Lively's side. 705 00:38:04,750 --> 00:38:08,280 {\an8}Who wants to trust a man who's made his entire brand 706 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,520 {\an8}all about being a champion for the voices of women? 707 00:38:12,420 --> 00:38:14,720 {\an8}[Matthew] These algorithms split people apart, and you're never really 708 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,880 gonna get the other side of the narrative. 709 00:38:17,050 --> 00:38:18,980 At this point, it's kind of like a mutually 710 00:38:19,150 --> 00:38:20,220 assured destruction. 711 00:38:20,380 --> 00:38:22,480 [audience clapping] 712 00:38:22,650 --> 00:38:26,580 [SNL announcer] Ladies and gentlemen, Tina Fey and Amy Poehler. 713 00:38:26,580 --> 00:38:29,680 Even at the "Saturday Night Live" 50th anniversary special, 714 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,020 Ryan Reynolds made a little passing remark to it, 715 00:38:32,020 --> 00:38:33,420 a little joke about it. 716 00:38:33,580 --> 00:38:34,920 [Tina] Ryan Reynolds, how's it going? 717 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,220 Great -- why? What have you heard? 718 00:38:37,380 --> 00:38:38,820 [laughing] 719 00:38:38,980 --> 00:38:40,580 [Matthew] People immediately understood, 720 00:38:40,750 --> 00:38:42,180 they're still in the thick of this. 721 00:38:42,350 --> 00:38:45,920 This is still something that is going on. 722 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,480 From a PR standpoint, both of them are gonna have 723 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,320 a hard time getting the mud off of their reputation. 724 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,380 They're both going to have to do some 725 00:39:00,380 --> 00:39:05,020 work with great professionals, hopefully, that are gonna 726 00:39:05,180 --> 00:39:07,380 lead them down the path, outside of the courtroom, 727 00:39:08,620 --> 00:39:11,880 building back the trust of their fans. 728 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:16,120 I believe for Blake, she needs to be vulnerable. 729 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,820 She needs to have a moment where she's a mom of four. 730 00:39:19,980 --> 00:39:24,280 We want to be connected to her and empathize. 731 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,680 Like, what woman hasn't been uncomfortable in a workplace? 732 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,280 That's a common situation, and we want to support her. 733 00:39:30,450 --> 00:39:34,580 For Justin, you know, he has this platform of 734 00:39:34,750 --> 00:39:36,820 debunking toxic masculinity. 735 00:39:36,980 --> 00:39:41,420 He needs to also, "Hey, tail between my legs here, guys. 736 00:39:41,580 --> 00:39:43,680 I -- I could have done better." 737 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,720 That's a relatable moment. 738 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,880 [Matthew] The irony of this whole thing is that the movie that 739 00:39:49,050 --> 00:39:50,780 the movie was such a huge success. 740 00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:54,680 And to have all this scandal around it is kind of sad, 741 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,680 because it really was a big win for Hollywood. 742 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,080 I mean, if you're Colleen Hoover, you have to be 743 00:40:00,250 --> 00:40:01,720 kind of fed up with it. 744 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,480 [Perez] Author Colleen Hoover, who wrote the novel 745 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,580 "It Ends with Us," wiped all of her photos with Blake Lively 746 00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:13,620 and Justin Baldoni, but she still follows 747 00:40:13,780 --> 00:40:15,980 Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds 748 00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:19,120 and is not following Justin Baldoni. 749 00:40:20,420 --> 00:40:23,720 So, interpret that as you will. 750 00:40:26,180 --> 00:40:30,180 [Aaron] The saddest thing about this is the message of this movie 751 00:40:30,180 --> 00:40:34,720 is taking second place to this conversation about 752 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,480 what happened on set. 753 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,620 The biggest loss here is this incredible film that so many 754 00:40:41,780 --> 00:40:44,720 people were really excited about and a topic that really 755 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,050 needs to be addressed in Hollywood. 756 00:40:46,220 --> 00:40:49,680 {\an8}At this point, this is basically like the unraveling 757 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:50,950 {\an8}of a family feud. 758 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,620 {\an8}In terms of winners and losers, there really are no winners. 759 00:40:53,780 --> 00:40:55,050 {\an8}It's all losers. 760 00:40:55,050 --> 00:40:58,880 {\an8}[Dina] The bigger loser here is victims of domestic violence. 761 00:40:59,050 --> 00:41:01,120 {\an8}This movie was about domestic violence. 762 00:41:03,380 --> 00:41:07,120 {\an8}And nobody's talking about domestic violence. 763 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,120 {\an8}The other sad thing is that there is an allegation of 764 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,680 {\an8}sexual harassment on a domestic violence set, 765 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,520 {\an8}and the whole public seems to have decided 766 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,020 {\an8}whether or not that's true 767 00:41:17,020 --> 00:41:20,020 {\an8}long before the evidence has even been introduced at trial.63852

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