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Previously on Happy Face...
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The Happy Face Killer
called this show.
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- Why?
- He's my father.
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KEITH: I don't hear Melissa.
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What do you want?
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When I confessed in '95,
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I held one back.
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What was her name?
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You're still my little girl.
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Digging in my
pockets for treasure.
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- BEN: Whiskey River.
- MELISSA: A bar in Texas.
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BEN: If you go down this
road, it's going to come out
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that your dad is the Happy
Face Killer, you know that.
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IVY: Small town remembers Heather
Richmond in Jefferson, Texas.
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Heather's boyfriend at
the time, Elijah Carter,
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was convicted of her murder.
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- He's still on death row.
- Death row?
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We need to go to Texas and
figure out what's going on
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right now.
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♪ ♪
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IVY: So... you know you have
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to tell Elijah's lawyer
everything, right?
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I know.
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(sighs)
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(knocking)
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June Jesperson?
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- JUNE: Yes.
- OFFICER: Can we come in for a minute?
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Go downstairs.
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JUNE: Your father's in jail.
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(breathes shakily)
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Mom.
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Mom, wait!
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For what?
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Murder.
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ELIJAH: When the coroner said
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that Heather died
around midnight...
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(scoffs) I had an alibi.
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I was working on the graveyards
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at the warehouse back then.
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And once the cops
found that out,
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they changed their whole story.
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Said Heather died at 8:00.
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Which was bad for me,
'cause I clocked in at 9:00.
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Man, I never had a chance, man.
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I never would've hurt Heather.
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Never would've hurt nobody.
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GABRIELA: I recorded this video
three years ago, when I took
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on Elijah's case.
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I can get you copies
of everything.
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After we lost our last appeal,
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we were out of options.
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But your father's
confession is a gamechanger.
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So you're sure Elijah's
innocent, Gabriela?
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I am sure his
confession was coerced.
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He recanted, but the
judge still let it in.
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I am sure the only
physical evidence
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was his print on
Heather's steering wheel.
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A car he'd been in many times.
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They had no blood,
no hair, no DNA.
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Just a 23-year-old Black kid
dating a pretty white girl.
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What do you need from us?
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GABRIELA: What I
need from you, Ivy,
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is an absolute media ruckus.
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We need to pressure the D.A.
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to join forces, reopen the case.
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With the confession,
the trampoline,
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and the guitar
pick, and Melissa,
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who can testify to both...
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Wait, I have to
testify in court?
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Once we get a hearing, yes.
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JUNE: Wake up!
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Let's go.
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MELISSA: Mom, what's going on?
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Get your coats.
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We need to go.
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- Mommy...
- Now!
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Okay.
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Let's go.
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- Yeah.
- Where are we going?
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What's she even doing in there?
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Open the back.
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Mom, what are we
even doing here?
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What are all those papers?
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Just hurry up and open it.
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We still have more stores to do.
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Eight?
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We can't just buy every
paper in America, Mom.
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This is fucking ridiculous.
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It can't be true.
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It's true. He confessed.
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So now we just get
on with our lives.
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If people find out that that...
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that man is your father,
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that's all you'll ever be.
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You hear me?
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Ever.
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I don't think I can do that.
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- Melissa?
- No, I know how I sound,
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but I, um...
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My kids don't know.
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No one does.
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I think I, I think I need to go.
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- Now? You don't want to at least listen to...
- Um, I...
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I'm just...
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Hey, guess who just
told me over lunch
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that he's retiring
in two months,
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and he wants me to take over?
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I'm freaking out, I'm
totally, totally freaking out.
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- Okay, what's going on?
- I...
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Of course I want to help
this guy on death row.
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He's been in prison for almost
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30 years for
something my dad did,
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and I've been off
living my fucking life.
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Hey, it is not your fault, babe.
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- Okay?
- Then why do I feel like it is?
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Melissa, please.
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Just take a breath.
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Okay? Breathe.
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Sweetie, breathe.
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(exhales, grunts)
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- Okay.
- Okay, I'm breathing, I'm breathing.
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(exhales)
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Okay, who's retiring?
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- Is it William?
- Oh, forget it, not important right now.
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Yes, it is. Also...
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I'd rather talk
about anything else.
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(chuckles) Okay, well,
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William is recommending
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that I take over as
regional manager.
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It would be more
money, more freedom,
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more of a say in things.
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I-I think I got a shot.
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I'm really proud
of you. I love you.
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I'll call you back, okay? Bye.
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All right, bye.
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♪
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("Never Coming Home" by
Bryan Martin playing)
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♪ I do my kinda driftin'
with a guitar and a bottle ♪
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♪ And I play it good and loud ♪
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♪ I cut tail and run too often
to a bar down in Austin ♪
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♪ If I forget the words you
can blame it on the Crown... ♪
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Okay.
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Hungry or thirsty?
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Um, uh...
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Just a beer.
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- Something local?
- Something local.
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♪ You can bet I know ♪
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♪ About a heavy load ♪
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♪ They call it
playin' for a livin' ♪
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♪ But the truth is it isn't ♪
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♪ As easy as writin' a song ♪
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♪ Tell my babies I love 'em ♪
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♪ But their daddy ain't
never coming home ♪
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Uh, my dad used to come here.
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Oh, yeah? When was this?
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Uh, long time ago.
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He was a... trucker.
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What was his name?
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Keith. Actually...
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I have a picture.
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Maybe you might recognize him?
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No, I don't recognize him.
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But... Hey, Dad?
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- Oh, no, no, no, that's okay.
- Oh, please.
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He loves talking about the
old days when he was king.
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Is this man bothering you?
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No, no, I didn't mean
to interrupt your lunch.
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- Oh. Carl O'Neill.
- Melissa.
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Ah, "Melissa."
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That is the greatest song
that Gregg Allman ever wrote.
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Oh, bite your tongue.
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It's "Whipping Post."
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- Just get, go, go, go, go.
- Ah.
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Now, uh, who have you got there?
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Um...
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It's my dad.
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He was a trucker.
He used to come here
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- when he was on the road.
- He looks familiar.
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Um, a lot of truckers have
come here over the years
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for a hot meal and good music.
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It's a thankless job. Lonely.
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I hope he's retired now.
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- Something like that, yeah.
- Mm.
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Anyway, uh, thank you so much.
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- I'll let you get back to your lunch.
- Nice to meet you, Melissa.
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Nice to meet you, too.
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♪ They call it
playin' for a livin' ♪
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♪ But the truth is, it isn't ♪
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♪ As easy as writin' a song ♪
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♪ Tell my babies I love them ♪
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♪ But their daddy ain't
never comin' home. ♪
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("Ghost" by Kailey
Swanson playing)
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- ♪ Storm rolls in ♪
- Did you know Heather?
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- ♪ Rolls in ♪
- ♪ To my... ♪
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No. Did you?
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Yeah, of course. Went
to school together.
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She's a few years ahead of me.
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And then we worked
here together.
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She was a... a real good girl.
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So sorry for your loss.
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So you just, uh...
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exploiting my dead friend
for your social media?
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- No, not at all.
- If you do,
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make sure you get a
picture of him, too.
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Be open bar the night
he finally pays.
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♪ There's a ghost in my bed ♪
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♪ Moms... ♪
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MAN: Hey, Cody, can we get
another round down here?
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♪ Them kids gone now... ♪
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KEITH: Who didn't ante up?
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Hmm.
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Yeah, it's only a matter of time
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before Dr. Greg comes calling.
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(laughs)
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They're probably gonna
do a whole episode on me.
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Huh?
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After all, I'm the one
who gave 'em number nine.
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And let me tell you,
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there's a lot more
where that came from.
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(laughs)
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We'll do Dr. Greg,
then more shows,
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then newspapers, magazines.
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You know, I hear there's
a couple of guys down
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in San Quentin...
they're making a podcast.
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- Podcast?
- Yeah, podcast.
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Course, I'm only doing it
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because it's the
right thing to do.
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It is.
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- I'm gonna save a man's life.
- Yeah?
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Really. If it weren't for me,
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he'd be getting the needle
before the Fourth of July.
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So nobody can say
I'm all that bad.
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(indistinct crowd chatter)
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- Oh, come on, dude.
- (both grunting)
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- And who do we have here?
- Give it back.
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Check it out, Eva.
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Queenie HB's creeping
on a hot criminal.
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Give it back.
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You just give it back
to her, Victoria.
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What did you call me? Queenie?
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Short for Queen Hairy Bush.
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Later.
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(crowd chatter, laughter)
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Hey, you okay?
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Why aren't we friends anymore?
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We are friends.
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Look, when you change in
the locker room, it's, like,
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sticking out
everywhere, so get a wax
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or a razor or something, okay?
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My grandfather's
a serial killer.
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("Happy" by Jenny Lewis &
The Watson Twins playing)
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♪ So happy ♪
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♪ Happy ♪
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♪ Oh, so happy... ♪
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♪ Happy ♪
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♪ Oh, oh-oh, oh ♪
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♪ So happy ♪
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♪ Happy ♪
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♪ Oh, oh-oh, oh ♪
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♪ So happy ♪
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♪ So happy. ♪
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♪ ♪
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- TYLER: Wedding ring.
- Oh, sorry.
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MELISSA: No, no. I should've
caught it. Thank you, Tyler.
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- TYLER: Course. You know...
- IVY: I-I hear you...
266
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...sometimes I get stressed
about having $72,000
267
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in student loans
from film school.
268
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Then I spot a
marital inconsistency
269
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on a fake dead
body, and I'm like,
270
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"No, that was totally worth it."
271
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MELISSA: Am I
sensing some sarcasm?
272
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TYLER: Sarcasm is my baseline.
273
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Oh, good to know.
274
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IVY: Okay. All
right. Thank you.
275
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Okay, I was on with
Gabriela. We are good
276
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to visit Elijah tomorrow.
277
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- MELISSA: That's great.
- IVY: Really?
278
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I'm surprised you
even want to come.
279
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Can you darken her
tattoo, please?
280
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What's the "L" for, anyway?
281
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- MELISSA: Um, her middle name was Lorelai.
- IVY: Tyler.
282
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Let's do one more take of this
283
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and then set up
for the next shot.
284
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TYLER: Yeah, the, uh,
footage of what Heather had
285
00:13:59,272 --> 00:14:00,552
in her pockets
that night, right?
286
00:14:00,607 --> 00:14:01,607
IVY: Yeah. Lipstick,
287
00:14:01,674 --> 00:14:03,810
money, and half a joint.
288
00:14:07,114 --> 00:14:08,181
Go ahead, Tyler.
289
00:14:08,281 --> 00:14:09,682
Hey.
290
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I don't understand
why you're mad.
291
00:14:13,853 --> 00:14:15,522
Maybe I would like you to care
292
00:14:15,622 --> 00:14:18,358
as much about the Black
man on death row as you do
293
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about your anonymity.
294
00:14:21,361 --> 00:14:22,862
That is unfair.
295
00:14:22,963 --> 00:14:26,266
This story is about something
bigger than just you.
296
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We good, Tyler?
297
00:14:29,269 --> 00:14:31,538
Do you want it to be good
298
00:14:31,671 --> 00:14:33,505
or good enough?
299
00:14:33,506 --> 00:14:36,976
Please remind me why I pushed
Dr. Greg to fly him down here.
300
00:14:36,977 --> 00:14:39,379
("Carry Me Away"
by Maybird playing)
301
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♪ Sometimes it's all I need ♪
302
00:14:48,388 --> 00:14:50,723
♪ Close my eyes ♪
303
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♪ And let ♪
304
00:14:52,325 --> 00:14:56,263
♪ Your melody ♪
305
00:14:56,396 --> 00:15:01,168
♪ Carry me away... ♪
306
00:15:04,571 --> 00:15:05,871
JOSH: Sup, killer?
307
00:15:05,872 --> 00:15:07,240
Sorry, what?
308
00:15:07,340 --> 00:15:09,076
I said "What's up?"
309
00:15:09,176 --> 00:15:10,944
Oh, um...
310
00:15:11,044 --> 00:15:13,780
nothing, really.
Just shopping...
311
00:15:13,913 --> 00:15:15,548
for, like, whatever.
312
00:15:15,648 --> 00:15:20,420
Cool, cool. Yeah. Um...
I'm-I'm Josh, by the way.
313
00:15:22,089 --> 00:15:23,256
You're Hazel, right?
314
00:15:23,356 --> 00:15:24,690
Yeah. Okay, yeah.
315
00:15:24,691 --> 00:15:26,659
I-I know you know Eva, so...
316
00:15:27,894 --> 00:15:31,464
I saw you... eating
lunch earlier.
317
00:15:31,564 --> 00:15:34,767
Yeah. Yeah, no, I-I-I
do, in fact, eat lunch.
318
00:15:34,867 --> 00:15:36,970
Yeah. (laughs)
319
00:15:38,871 --> 00:15:41,608
Well, uh, later, Hazel.
320
00:15:47,547 --> 00:15:48,681
(alarm blaring)
321
00:15:48,781 --> 00:15:50,217
STORE OWNER: Hey!
322
00:15:53,453 --> 00:15:55,655
Hand it over.
323
00:15:58,591 --> 00:16:01,294
MELISSA: Here, let's
take off that fake blood.
324
00:16:01,428 --> 00:16:02,762
Oh, I can do it myself.
325
00:16:02,862 --> 00:16:04,107
I've played a dead
girl a million times.
326
00:16:04,131 --> 00:16:05,298
- You sure?
- Yeah.
327
00:16:05,398 --> 00:16:06,932
All right. Take as
many as you need.
328
00:16:06,933 --> 00:16:08,835
- Thanks.
- Mm-hmm.
329
00:16:08,935 --> 00:16:10,137
You are a trooper.
330
00:16:10,237 --> 00:16:12,439
Thank you so, so
much. Thank you.
331
00:16:12,539 --> 00:16:15,342
Uh, Tyler, can you
walk her to her car?
332
00:16:15,442 --> 00:16:18,645
- TYLER: Yeah.
- (phone buzzing)
333
00:16:20,713 --> 00:16:22,081
- Thank you.
- Mm-hmm.
334
00:16:22,082 --> 00:16:23,483
Hey, Ivy.
335
00:16:23,616 --> 00:16:26,519
I am so sorry about today.
336
00:16:26,619 --> 00:16:28,488
- I just... - JOYCE: Excuse me.
- (stammers)
337
00:16:29,556 --> 00:16:30,857
Y'all work for Dr. Greg?
338
00:16:32,159 --> 00:16:34,327
I'm Joyce, Elijah's sister.
339
00:16:34,427 --> 00:16:36,529
- Gabriela told me you were here.
- Oh, my gosh.
340
00:16:36,629 --> 00:16:39,132
Hi. I was gonna
call you tomorrow.
341
00:16:39,232 --> 00:16:40,733
I'm Ivy. This is Melissa.
342
00:16:41,501 --> 00:16:45,804
I've spent nearly three decades
screaming into the wind.
343
00:16:45,805 --> 00:16:49,008
The women that finally
heard me get hugs.
344
00:16:49,109 --> 00:16:51,344
- Oh. Oh.
- (chuckles)
345
00:16:51,444 --> 00:16:54,114
- Come here. (laughs)
- Oh.
346
00:16:54,214 --> 00:16:57,217
- Thank you. Thanks. - MELISSA: Yeah.
- TYLER: What about me?
347
00:16:57,350 --> 00:16:59,519
I'm Tyler. He/they.
348
00:16:59,619 --> 00:17:02,322
Get in here, Tyler. (laughs)
349
00:17:03,456 --> 00:17:05,024
Oh.
350
00:17:05,125 --> 00:17:08,061
Sorry I'm a mess.
I'm still in shock
351
00:17:08,161 --> 00:17:09,562
that this is all happening.
352
00:17:09,662 --> 00:17:11,463
This man confessing?
353
00:17:11,464 --> 00:17:14,801
I am so grateful to all of you
354
00:17:14,901 --> 00:17:17,204
- for coming down here.
- It's the least we can do.
355
00:17:17,304 --> 00:17:19,372
JOYCE: I always believed
that, if more people just
356
00:17:19,506 --> 00:17:21,608
heard our story, knew
what we've been through,
357
00:17:21,708 --> 00:17:24,643
- then something would finally change.
- (phone buzzing)
358
00:17:24,644 --> 00:17:27,114
It-It's so nice to
meet you. I'm so sorry,
359
00:17:27,214 --> 00:17:29,549
- excuse me just one moment.
- Okay.
360
00:17:30,383 --> 00:17:32,818
Hey, what's up? I can't
really talk right now.
361
00:17:32,819 --> 00:17:34,987
What's up? Well, what's up
362
00:17:35,088 --> 00:17:38,057
is that your daughter just
got caught shoplifting.
363
00:17:38,158 --> 00:17:40,593
For the tenth time,
I wasn't shoplifting.
364
00:17:40,727 --> 00:17:42,862
What? Shoplifting what?
365
00:17:42,962 --> 00:17:44,564
BEN: Here. Why don't you...
366
00:17:44,664 --> 00:17:47,267
Go ahead, you... just... you
can tell her what you stole.
367
00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,402
Bikini wax.
368
00:17:49,502 --> 00:17:51,203
Okay.
369
00:17:51,204 --> 00:17:52,572
Did they arrest you?
370
00:17:52,672 --> 00:17:54,040
No. Dad's overreacting.
371
00:17:54,141 --> 00:17:56,542
You're lucky that the owner
didn't overreact, Hazel.
372
00:17:56,543 --> 00:17:58,578
It was that little
mom-and-pop pharmacy
373
00:17:58,678 --> 00:18:01,080
up by the school, and the owner
was relatively understanding.
374
00:18:01,214 --> 00:18:02,749
It's so dumb. It
was an accident.
375
00:18:02,849 --> 00:18:05,852
Okay, we'll talk about
this when I get home.
376
00:18:05,952 --> 00:18:09,088
I'll be back tomorrow
night. (sighs)
377
00:18:10,190 --> 00:18:12,592
Tomorrow night? This
is a big deal, Melissa.
378
00:18:12,692 --> 00:18:13,859
I know that, Ben.
379
00:18:13,860 --> 00:18:15,227
I just...
380
00:18:15,228 --> 00:18:17,063
You just what?
381
00:18:17,164 --> 00:18:19,599
Melissa, you what?
You just what?
382
00:18:19,732 --> 00:18:22,569
Ben, I have... I have
to call you back, okay?
383
00:18:22,669 --> 00:18:24,069
Melissa, what...?
384
00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:26,573
- Ivy.
- IVY: What?
385
00:18:26,673 --> 00:18:28,875
Everything okay?
386
00:18:28,975 --> 00:18:31,311
Look.
387
00:18:40,587 --> 00:18:42,789
(train passing)
388
00:18:58,805 --> 00:18:59,972
Turn that camera off.
389
00:19:00,106 --> 00:19:01,808
Look,
390
00:19:01,908 --> 00:19:05,178
I appreciate the theatrics
and the fresh air,
391
00:19:05,278 --> 00:19:08,114
Gabriela, but I don't know
what you think this proves.
392
00:19:08,215 --> 00:19:11,750
It proves Jesperson was here.
It proves there's enough here
393
00:19:11,751 --> 00:19:13,986
for you to reopen this case.
394
00:19:14,086 --> 00:19:16,823
Does Jesperson own
the happy face symbol?
395
00:19:16,923 --> 00:19:19,359
Because it's also my
granddaughter's favorite emoji.
396
00:19:19,459 --> 00:19:20,779
Maybe we should
get her down here.
397
00:19:20,827 --> 00:19:23,196
Is your granddaughter
six feet tall?
398
00:19:23,296 --> 00:19:25,265
That's pretty high up.
399
00:19:26,699 --> 00:19:28,100
And you are?
400
00:19:29,836 --> 00:19:31,671
I'm Melissa. Melissa Reed.
401
00:19:31,771 --> 00:19:33,673
District Attorney
Craig Callaway.
402
00:19:33,773 --> 00:19:36,107
Pleasure to meet you. Look,
403
00:19:36,108 --> 00:19:39,512
this is great for
y'all's show, I get it,
404
00:19:39,646 --> 00:19:41,881
but in court it's nothing.
405
00:19:41,981 --> 00:19:44,217
GABRIELA: You know it'd play
really well with a jury.
406
00:19:44,317 --> 00:19:46,653
Especially when you pair it
with an on-camera confession
407
00:19:46,753 --> 00:19:48,153
from a convicted serial killer.
408
00:19:48,154 --> 00:19:49,932
(scoffs) Oh, what, the
footage you sent me? This...
409
00:19:49,956 --> 00:19:52,124
Look, all I see in that are
the ravings of a madman.
410
00:19:52,225 --> 00:19:55,562
And then a trampoline
with no receipt
411
00:19:55,662 --> 00:19:57,364
confirming the date of purchase,
412
00:19:57,497 --> 00:19:59,198
and a guitar pick
413
00:19:59,299 --> 00:20:02,201
from a bar that makes
thousands of them every year.
414
00:20:02,302 --> 00:20:05,071
I have six of those at
home in a junk drawer.
415
00:20:05,171 --> 00:20:06,305
Does that make me a killer?
416
00:20:06,306 --> 00:20:08,708
MELISSA: There's a
corroborating witness.
417
00:20:08,808 --> 00:20:11,043
It's the daughter.
418
00:20:11,143 --> 00:20:14,247
The witness is
Jesperson's daughter.
419
00:20:14,347 --> 00:20:16,783
What if she was
willing to testify?
420
00:20:18,885 --> 00:20:21,288
Look, I've been a district
attorney for almost 30 years.
421
00:20:21,388 --> 00:20:24,557
I've seen a lot of crimes
and a lot of families.
422
00:20:24,657 --> 00:20:27,693
I don't know this woman, but
my experience tells me that,
423
00:20:27,694 --> 00:20:30,730
if you grow up with a
monster for a parent,
424
00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:33,733
you end up as an adult with
your own set of problems.
425
00:20:33,833 --> 00:20:35,234
The Internet being what it is,
426
00:20:35,335 --> 00:20:37,770
it wouldn't take long to
find out what this particular
427
00:20:37,904 --> 00:20:40,407
woman's issues are,
428
00:20:40,540 --> 00:20:43,576
whatever they may be,
use them on the stand,
429
00:20:43,676 --> 00:20:45,978
and make her
testimony worthless.
430
00:20:50,082 --> 00:20:52,885
You can take that tape down.
431
00:20:55,322 --> 00:20:57,523
♪ If I left you? ♪
432
00:20:57,524 --> 00:21:01,060
♪ And it's fine for some ♪
433
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,562
♪ 'Cause you're not the one ♪
434
00:21:03,563 --> 00:21:07,866
♪ You're not the one there ♪
435
00:21:07,867 --> 00:21:10,235
(grunting)
436
00:21:10,236 --> 00:21:12,404
- ♪ There ♪
- What the fuck?
437
00:21:12,405 --> 00:21:14,941
♪ There ♪
438
00:21:15,041 --> 00:21:19,446
♪ There... ♪
439
00:21:19,546 --> 00:21:21,747
Stop. Please.
440
00:21:21,748 --> 00:21:23,483
(grunts)
441
00:21:23,583 --> 00:21:25,485
Your daddy better
get the needle.
442
00:21:27,286 --> 00:21:29,956
You deserve it,
too, stupid bitch.
443
00:21:30,089 --> 00:21:31,958
- (grunts)
- (laughter)
444
00:21:35,027 --> 00:21:37,697
(school bell rings)
445
00:21:42,969 --> 00:21:45,204
Heard you were a
little thief, huh?
446
00:21:45,304 --> 00:21:46,473
Who told you that?
447
00:21:46,606 --> 00:21:48,375
Breaking the law like
your grandpa already?
448
00:21:52,412 --> 00:21:53,413
So it's true?
449
00:21:53,513 --> 00:21:55,515
So what if it is?
450
00:21:56,816 --> 00:21:58,160
Do you know who the
Night Stalker was?
451
00:21:58,184 --> 00:21:59,751
Who?
452
00:21:59,752 --> 00:22:02,489
He was a sick fuck
like your grandpa.
453
00:22:02,622 --> 00:22:03,990
My uncle Rafa was
one of the guys
454
00:22:04,090 --> 00:22:05,825
who helped catch
him in East L.A.
455
00:22:05,925 --> 00:22:08,259
That's basically why
I became a Murderino.
456
00:22:08,260 --> 00:22:09,629
What's a Murderino?
457
00:22:09,729 --> 00:22:11,898
Person obsessed with true crime.
458
00:22:11,998 --> 00:22:14,667
Come with us
tomorrow after school
459
00:22:14,767 --> 00:22:16,369
and we'll show you.
460
00:22:17,504 --> 00:22:19,071
Cool.
461
00:22:20,006 --> 00:22:22,675
IVY: We are already
on our way there, sir.
462
00:22:22,775 --> 00:22:25,712
I-I hear you. I
understand, but that's...
463
00:22:25,812 --> 00:22:28,748
So there's no way? Okay. Okay.
464
00:22:28,848 --> 00:22:31,050
Oh, no. No, no, no, that's fine.
465
00:22:31,183 --> 00:22:34,353
You have a great
day. No, thank you.
466
00:22:36,889 --> 00:22:38,824
Ugh, goddamn it!
467
00:22:38,825 --> 00:22:40,593
Hey.
468
00:22:42,829 --> 00:22:44,731
The prison just
revoked our visit.
469
00:22:44,831 --> 00:22:46,198
We can't see Elijah.
470
00:22:46,298 --> 00:22:48,267
What? Can they do that?
471
00:22:48,367 --> 00:22:49,669
(sighs)
472
00:22:49,769 --> 00:22:51,302
It was Callaway.
473
00:22:51,303 --> 00:22:53,205
It had to be. He made
the call, didn't he?
474
00:22:53,305 --> 00:22:55,575
You're getting the hang of this.
475
00:23:12,258 --> 00:23:13,726
(door closes)
476
00:23:13,826 --> 00:23:15,361
- MELISSA: Hey.
- Hey.
477
00:23:15,462 --> 00:23:17,129
MELISSA: Ugh.
478
00:23:17,229 --> 00:23:19,666
God, I'm so tired.
479
00:23:19,766 --> 00:23:22,501
Hey. How was your flight?
480
00:23:22,502 --> 00:23:26,739
Uh... (groans) Not too bad.
481
00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:27,839
How's Hazel?
482
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,842
Grounded.
483
00:23:29,942 --> 00:23:31,543
(chuckles, groans)
484
00:23:31,544 --> 00:23:33,546
I bought her some
trinkets at the airport.
485
00:23:33,646 --> 00:23:36,282
(sighs) You just got her, like,
a million birthday presents,
486
00:23:36,382 --> 00:23:38,284
- Melissa.
- I know.
487
00:23:39,586 --> 00:23:42,889
I got her some keychains and
stuff. Got one for Max, too.
488
00:23:42,989 --> 00:23:45,224
Anyway, mm...
489
00:23:45,324 --> 00:23:47,326
I have some...
490
00:23:48,628 --> 00:23:51,363
...way worse news.
491
00:23:52,231 --> 00:23:54,033
Mm, can't wait.
492
00:23:56,068 --> 00:23:58,236
I'm...
493
00:23:58,237 --> 00:23:59,972
thinking about coming out.
494
00:24:00,907 --> 00:24:02,107
Like...
495
00:24:02,108 --> 00:24:04,176
about my dad.
496
00:24:05,945 --> 00:24:07,714
On the show.
497
00:24:18,591 --> 00:24:20,893
This morning we
met with the D.A.,
498
00:24:20,993 --> 00:24:22,761
and he was such a
fucking asshole.
499
00:24:22,762 --> 00:24:25,164
He refuses to even
investigate my dad's claims.
500
00:24:25,264 --> 00:24:27,133
They won't let us
interview Elijah.
501
00:24:27,233 --> 00:24:29,536
It's like they're
planning on letting
502
00:24:29,669 --> 00:24:30,737
an innocent man die.
503
00:24:30,837 --> 00:24:32,303
I'm sorry, okay, but I-I think
504
00:24:32,304 --> 00:24:33,873
they know more about
this than you do.
505
00:24:33,973 --> 00:24:36,442
Or they're a bunch of
old powerful white guys
506
00:24:36,543 --> 00:24:38,503
who don't want to admit
they made a major mistake.
507
00:24:39,512 --> 00:24:41,581
Elijah's attorney told us that
508
00:24:41,681 --> 00:24:43,816
if the D.A. won't play ball,
509
00:24:43,916 --> 00:24:46,284
then our segment
510
00:24:46,285 --> 00:24:48,487
needs to make more noise.
That's the only way
511
00:24:48,588 --> 00:24:50,557
to pressure these
conservative courts.
512
00:24:50,657 --> 00:24:53,392
(laughs) You're
going to pressure
513
00:24:53,526 --> 00:24:55,562
a conservative court in Texas?
514
00:24:55,695 --> 00:24:57,963
If I don't, then what?
515
00:24:57,964 --> 00:25:00,331
The story will air without me.
516
00:25:00,332 --> 00:25:01,534
It'll get some attention
517
00:25:01,634 --> 00:25:03,536
but not enough, and then...
518
00:25:03,636 --> 00:25:05,572
and then Elijah will
die, and it's my fault.
519
00:25:05,705 --> 00:25:07,373
I understand, okay?
520
00:25:07,506 --> 00:25:09,776
I understand that you
want to help this guy.
521
00:25:09,876 --> 00:25:11,253
But if the authorities
don't think...
522
00:25:11,277 --> 00:25:12,545
Oh, fuck the authorities.
523
00:25:12,645 --> 00:25:14,581
They don't care about
people like Elijah.
524
00:25:14,714 --> 00:25:16,549
They don't care
about people like me.
525
00:25:16,649 --> 00:25:18,551
If you are related
to a murderer,
526
00:25:18,651 --> 00:25:19,851
then you're pretty much
527
00:25:19,852 --> 00:25:21,754
as bad as he is.
That's-that's basically
528
00:25:21,888 --> 00:25:23,723
what the D.A. told
me this morning.
529
00:25:23,823 --> 00:25:26,157
He should not be in
charge of anybody's life.
530
00:25:26,158 --> 00:25:28,427
He made me feel
like I was nothing,
531
00:25:28,527 --> 00:25:30,329
like... like I was 15 again,
532
00:25:30,429 --> 00:25:31,931
like I was responsible.
533
00:25:32,031 --> 00:25:33,566
Guess what. I am not responsible
534
00:25:33,666 --> 00:25:34,734
for what my dad did.
535
00:25:34,867 --> 00:25:38,336
I am so sick of
feeling like I am.
536
00:25:38,337 --> 00:25:40,740
I'm just so fucking desperate
537
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,909
to keep this secret,
and-and for who?
538
00:25:43,042 --> 00:25:44,844
HAZEL: Not me.
539
00:25:46,713 --> 00:25:48,414
MELISSA: Oh, my God, Hazel.
540
00:25:49,348 --> 00:25:50,750
Wha-What did you hear?
541
00:25:50,850 --> 00:25:52,183
I already knew. I heard Dad
542
00:25:52,184 --> 00:25:54,286
talking on the phone
with you the other night.
543
00:25:54,386 --> 00:25:55,386
What? Why-why didn't
you say anything?
544
00:25:55,387 --> 00:25:56,723
Why didn't you tell me?
545
00:25:57,556 --> 00:25:58,925
You weren't here, Mom.
546
00:25:59,058 --> 00:26:01,026
Okay, look, don't-don't think
that you're not in trouble
547
00:26:01,027 --> 00:26:03,129
- anymore because of this.
- Oh, my God.
548
00:26:03,262 --> 00:26:05,264
I know I'm in trouble,
549
00:26:05,364 --> 00:26:06,364
but whatever.
550
00:26:06,398 --> 00:26:08,267
You guys lied to me for years,
551
00:26:08,367 --> 00:26:09,702
so you're in trouble, too.
552
00:26:09,802 --> 00:26:12,204
And, no, I didn't mean to steal
553
00:26:12,304 --> 00:26:13,940
that stupid bikini wax.
554
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,042
It wasn't a cry for
help. It was an accident!
555
00:26:17,043 --> 00:26:18,344
MELISSA: Okay.
556
00:26:19,245 --> 00:26:21,147
Okay.
557
00:26:22,114 --> 00:26:23,349
Hey.
558
00:26:24,283 --> 00:26:26,886
I'm sorry that we lied to you.
559
00:26:26,986 --> 00:26:28,020
BEN: Yeah.
560
00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:29,656
MELISSA: I just...
561
00:26:30,422 --> 00:26:32,358
I couldn't see any other way.
562
00:26:32,458 --> 00:26:33,993
Whatever.
563
00:26:34,126 --> 00:26:35,662
It's fine.
564
00:26:35,762 --> 00:26:37,262
But you should,
like, help this guy,
565
00:26:37,263 --> 00:26:38,765
- if you can.
- BEN: Oh, come on.
566
00:26:38,865 --> 00:26:40,265
You don't know what you're
talking about, Hazel.
567
00:26:40,266 --> 00:26:41,877
- Just-just let her talk.
- No, she doesn't...
568
00:26:41,901 --> 00:26:43,411
She has no idea what
you guys went through.
569
00:26:43,435 --> 00:26:45,247
And we keep this a secret
for a reason, Melissa.
570
00:26:45,271 --> 00:26:46,514
So that we can
protect our family.
571
00:26:46,538 --> 00:26:48,975
Yeah, but it's not 1995 anymore.
572
00:26:49,075 --> 00:26:50,810
People are, like,
into true crime.
573
00:26:50,910 --> 00:26:53,312
I told some people at school,
and they think it's super cool.
574
00:26:53,412 --> 00:26:54,857
- What? What's super cool?
- Who did you tell?
575
00:26:54,881 --> 00:26:57,817
- Grandpa.
- BOTH: Do not call him that.
576
00:26:57,917 --> 00:26:59,094
What am I supposed to call him?
577
00:26:59,118 --> 00:27:00,118
MELISSA: Nothing.
578
00:27:00,152 --> 00:27:01,387
(sighs)
579
00:27:01,487 --> 00:27:03,455
Just because I
might come forward,
580
00:27:03,555 --> 00:27:06,192
that does not mean that
you will ever, ever
581
00:27:06,325 --> 00:27:07,827
have a relationship with him.
582
00:27:07,927 --> 00:27:08,961
Isn't that up to me?
583
00:27:09,061 --> 00:27:10,697
- Oh, my God.
- No. Hazel, no.
584
00:27:10,797 --> 00:27:12,307
- See, is this what you want?
- No, no, it's not up to you.
585
00:27:12,331 --> 00:27:14,566
Okay? He is very dangerous.
586
00:27:14,667 --> 00:27:15,802
He is a killer.
587
00:27:15,902 --> 00:27:17,536
MAX: Who's a killer?
588
00:27:19,672 --> 00:27:21,507
BEN (sighing): Oh, great.
589
00:27:21,607 --> 00:27:23,775
- He's nine.
- I know, I'll keep it simple.
590
00:27:23,776 --> 00:27:25,444
- Hey, buddy, I missed you.
- Hi, Mom.
591
00:27:25,544 --> 00:27:27,513
Oh! Come here.
592
00:27:27,646 --> 00:27:31,316
Come here. I...
593
00:27:31,317 --> 00:27:33,552
I have to tell you
something kind of...
594
00:27:33,652 --> 00:27:35,688
kind of important, okay?
595
00:27:35,788 --> 00:27:37,724
Okay.
596
00:27:38,958 --> 00:27:43,195
You know how I told you that
my dad died when I was 15?
597
00:27:46,565 --> 00:27:48,267
That was a lie.
598
00:27:49,135 --> 00:27:53,239
The truth is that
he went to prison
599
00:27:53,339 --> 00:27:54,707
then...
600
00:27:54,807 --> 00:27:57,676
and he's still there.
601
00:27:59,478 --> 00:28:01,080
What did he do?
602
00:28:04,083 --> 00:28:06,452
He hurt people.
603
00:28:09,055 --> 00:28:10,422
Bad people?
604
00:28:11,924 --> 00:28:13,425
No, Bug.
605
00:28:17,063 --> 00:28:18,831
When will he get out of jail?
606
00:28:18,931 --> 00:28:20,132
BEN: Never. Never.
607
00:28:20,232 --> 00:28:22,068
He can't hurt
anyone else, buddy.
608
00:28:25,704 --> 00:28:27,539
Can I have some ice cream?
609
00:28:29,341 --> 00:28:31,077
MELISSA: Yeah.
610
00:28:31,177 --> 00:28:32,678
Go, go, go.
611
00:28:38,217 --> 00:28:41,120
I, um,
612
00:28:41,253 --> 00:28:44,456
I'm not gonna do
this unless I know
613
00:28:44,556 --> 00:28:46,358
you're both behind me.
614
00:28:46,458 --> 00:28:48,226
- I'm behind you.
- You're a kid.
615
00:28:48,227 --> 00:28:50,629
- Well, this affects her, too.
- BEN: That's my point.
616
00:28:50,763 --> 00:28:52,431
She has no idea,
617
00:28:52,564 --> 00:28:54,633
no idea the ways that
this could affect her.
618
00:28:54,733 --> 00:28:56,969
So-so lying is better
than telling the truth?
619
00:28:57,103 --> 00:28:58,881
Because that's, like, the
opposite of everything
620
00:28:58,905 --> 00:29:00,015
you guys have ever taught me.
621
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:01,740
I agree.
622
00:29:02,775 --> 00:29:06,245
We've been lying long enough.
623
00:29:06,345 --> 00:29:08,047
It's not making
anything better anymore.
624
00:29:08,147 --> 00:29:10,381
For you, maybe, but this is
more than just about you.
625
00:29:10,382 --> 00:29:12,083
This isn't about me.
626
00:29:12,084 --> 00:29:15,454
It's about an innocent man
who's got 58 days left,
627
00:29:15,554 --> 00:29:17,289
and there's one court
that can change that,
628
00:29:17,389 --> 00:29:19,525
and-and we have
to pressure them.
629
00:29:19,625 --> 00:29:20,905
That's-that's just how it works.
630
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,393
'Cause you're an expert now?
631
00:29:22,394 --> 00:29:23,963
Is that it? You're a lawyer?
632
00:29:24,096 --> 00:29:26,198
You know, I got thrown in,
633
00:29:26,298 --> 00:29:28,267
I'm just trying
not to drown, okay?
634
00:29:28,367 --> 00:29:31,503
- I think it's badass, Mom.
- Thanks, Haze.
635
00:29:34,807 --> 00:29:38,310
I think that you have
been on the road,
636
00:29:38,410 --> 00:29:39,879
away from your family,
637
00:29:39,979 --> 00:29:41,790
and then you came home and
you brought them treasures,
638
00:29:41,814 --> 00:29:44,415
and now you want to go on
TV and make yourself known.
639
00:29:44,416 --> 00:29:46,451
Does that sound like the kind
of person you want to be?
640
00:29:46,452 --> 00:29:48,786
Or does that remind you
of someone else you know?
641
00:29:48,787 --> 00:29:50,556
What?
642
00:29:50,656 --> 00:29:51,756
Who are you talking about?
643
00:29:51,757 --> 00:29:53,325
Mom can tell you.
644
00:29:53,425 --> 00:29:54,994
I'm gonna go for a run.
645
00:29:59,598 --> 00:30:00,900
Hey, come here.
646
00:30:04,503 --> 00:30:07,306
Your dad's just
trying to protect us.
647
00:30:08,140 --> 00:30:09,741
I'm sorry I stole.
648
00:30:09,842 --> 00:30:12,044
I swear it was an accident.
649
00:30:12,144 --> 00:30:13,846
I know.
650
00:30:13,946 --> 00:30:15,681
I believe you.
651
00:30:17,783 --> 00:30:19,718
Am I still grounded?
652
00:30:19,852 --> 00:30:21,220
Oh,
653
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,423
absolutely.
654
00:30:26,125 --> 00:30:28,260
♪ ♪
655
00:30:52,151 --> 00:30:54,320
♪ ♪
656
00:31:20,913 --> 00:31:23,249
(indistinct chatter
in background)
657
00:31:26,885 --> 00:31:28,587
You get 'em, girl.
658
00:31:30,256 --> 00:31:33,425
(studio bell rings)
659
00:31:38,330 --> 00:31:40,299
You ready to do this?
660
00:31:41,233 --> 00:31:42,834
Nope.
661
00:31:51,810 --> 00:31:54,580
DIRECTOR: All right,
everyone, cameras are up.
662
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,283
Dr. Greg is on the floor.
663
00:31:57,383 --> 00:31:59,451
Be ready to roll
on the feed in ten.
664
00:31:59,551 --> 00:32:01,487
And get that multiview working.
665
00:32:01,587 --> 00:32:04,323
Okay, Blaine, go... on theme.
666
00:32:04,423 --> 00:32:06,658
(show's theme music playing)
667
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,462
ANNOUNCER: Ladies
and gentlemen,
668
00:32:10,596 --> 00:32:12,763
let's put our hands together
and give a warm welcome
669
00:32:12,764 --> 00:32:17,103
to our very own Dr. Greg.
670
00:32:30,649 --> 00:32:32,783
Welcome to the Murder Museum.
671
00:32:32,784 --> 00:32:34,585
That's Bob.
672
00:32:34,586 --> 00:32:36,255
He loves visitors.
673
00:32:36,355 --> 00:32:38,524
Hello, Bob.
674
00:32:39,958 --> 00:32:42,061
He's named after Robert Pickton,
675
00:32:42,161 --> 00:32:44,563
Canada's most famous
serial killer.
676
00:32:44,663 --> 00:32:46,665
Fed all his victims to pigs.
677
00:32:46,798 --> 00:32:49,001
Hazel, I thought
678
00:32:49,101 --> 00:32:52,638
your grandpa was Canada's
most famous serial killer.
679
00:32:53,872 --> 00:32:55,341
Who's your grandfather?
680
00:32:55,474 --> 00:32:59,111
Um, the Happy Face Killer?
681
00:33:00,246 --> 00:33:01,812
He was born in Canada,
682
00:33:01,813 --> 00:33:04,516
- but he...
- Killed here. I know.
683
00:33:04,650 --> 00:33:06,451
We have some of his work.
684
00:33:06,452 --> 00:33:07,853
You do?
685
00:33:07,953 --> 00:33:08,854
Duh.
686
00:33:08,954 --> 00:33:11,190
That's why we're here.
687
00:33:11,323 --> 00:33:13,525
So, can we get tickets?
688
00:33:13,625 --> 00:33:15,661
KEITH: Heather Richmond
689
00:33:15,761 --> 00:33:17,529
was my kill.
690
00:33:17,629 --> 00:33:19,630
I'm the one who found her
691
00:33:19,631 --> 00:33:23,168
walking down that
Texas road that day.
692
00:33:23,169 --> 00:33:25,504
You know, I used to duct-tape
693
00:33:25,604 --> 00:33:27,973
my victims to the
floor of the cab
694
00:33:28,074 --> 00:33:31,043
so they'd stay put while I
looked for a place to dump 'em,
695
00:33:31,143 --> 00:33:34,012
and I didn't have any that day,
696
00:33:34,113 --> 00:33:35,980
and I remember she was
697
00:33:35,981 --> 00:33:40,119
bouncing around like a rag
doll there in the back.
698
00:33:40,219 --> 00:33:41,920
Anyway,
699
00:33:42,054 --> 00:33:45,057
I put Heather down
by that bridge
700
00:33:45,191 --> 00:33:47,459
near the Chicory River,
picked up my load,
701
00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:49,228
and drove straight to Washington
702
00:33:49,361 --> 00:33:50,829
to see my kids.
703
00:33:51,997 --> 00:33:55,067
DR. GREG (sighing): Wow.
704
00:33:56,001 --> 00:33:57,569
Melissa?
705
00:34:00,005 --> 00:34:02,808
Before we get into
this bombshell
706
00:34:02,908 --> 00:34:05,277
of a confession and
everything it's set off
707
00:34:05,377 --> 00:34:06,678
down there in Texas,
708
00:34:06,778 --> 00:34:08,747
perhaps we should first explain
709
00:34:08,847 --> 00:34:10,182
why the Happy Face Killer
710
00:34:10,282 --> 00:34:12,183
called into the show
in the first place.
711
00:34:12,184 --> 00:34:14,520
Let's just explain
712
00:34:14,620 --> 00:34:17,156
why you're here.
713
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,762
I...
714
00:34:29,101 --> 00:34:30,536
(exhales)
715
00:34:47,453 --> 00:34:49,420
Because he's my father.
716
00:34:49,421 --> 00:34:51,290
(crowd gasping)
717
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,795
You had no idea
718
00:34:56,895 --> 00:34:58,630
the monster you
were living with?
719
00:34:58,730 --> 00:35:01,500
No. No.
720
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,770
Um, he was on the road a lot,
721
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:06,205
and when he would came home,
722
00:35:06,305 --> 00:35:07,306
he was, you know,
723
00:35:07,439 --> 00:35:09,541
Disneyland Dad. (chuckles)
724
00:35:09,641 --> 00:35:10,809
Go for Chilliwack on the BAM.
725
00:35:10,942 --> 00:35:12,344
Camera A, stay on Melissa.
726
00:35:12,444 --> 00:35:13,884
Okay, get her talking
about this one.
727
00:35:13,912 --> 00:35:15,647
DR. GREG: He was
just Dad, right?
728
00:35:17,816 --> 00:35:20,852
Tell me, where was
this photo taken?
729
00:35:20,952 --> 00:35:22,721
(sighs)
730
00:35:22,821 --> 00:35:25,090
In Chilliwack, uh,
731
00:35:25,191 --> 00:35:26,725
British Columbia.
732
00:35:26,825 --> 00:35:28,894
We used to camp
there every summer.
733
00:35:28,994 --> 00:35:31,430
What did you and
your family do there?
734
00:35:32,564 --> 00:35:36,168
MELISSA: We would, uh, go
hiking and fishing and swimming.
735
00:35:36,268 --> 00:35:39,171
We would roast
marshmallows. You know...
736
00:35:39,271 --> 00:35:40,839
same as every other family.
737
00:35:40,939 --> 00:35:42,007
Right, right.
738
00:35:42,107 --> 00:35:45,411
I mean, these are
happy memories.
739
00:35:46,212 --> 00:35:48,514
I didn't come here
to humanize him.
740
00:35:48,647 --> 00:35:50,781
DR. GREG: He's your
father, Melissa.
741
00:35:50,782 --> 00:35:52,518
But I'm here to
talk about Elijah.
742
00:35:52,618 --> 00:35:55,119
DR. GREG: (stammers) And we
will get to him, absolutely,
743
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,023
but this story is complex.
744
00:35:58,123 --> 00:36:01,792
People want to hear
your experience.
745
00:36:01,793 --> 00:36:03,028
They want to know
746
00:36:03,128 --> 00:36:04,863
what it's like
747
00:36:04,963 --> 00:36:07,965
to grow up with a serial
killer. Am I right? Am I right?
748
00:36:07,966 --> 00:36:09,335
(applause)
749
00:36:16,074 --> 00:36:19,344
Chilliwack was our happy place.
750
00:36:19,345 --> 00:36:20,512
Um...
751
00:36:20,612 --> 00:36:22,914
my first memory's
actually from there.
752
00:36:23,014 --> 00:36:25,517
It's just a flash, but it's...
753
00:36:25,617 --> 00:36:27,519
it's my mom
754
00:36:27,619 --> 00:36:29,221
holding me.
755
00:36:30,656 --> 00:36:36,094
And Dad smiling at us
from across the river.
756
00:36:41,233 --> 00:36:43,167
You loved
757
00:36:43,168 --> 00:36:45,670
your father, right?
758
00:36:45,671 --> 00:36:47,239
I did.
759
00:36:48,674 --> 00:36:49,741
And you still do.
760
00:36:49,841 --> 00:36:51,277
- No.
- Melissa.
761
00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:52,411
No.
762
00:36:52,544 --> 00:36:55,714
I know this might
be difficult, but
763
00:36:55,814 --> 00:36:58,250
can we talk about
your father's crimes?
764
00:36:58,384 --> 00:37:00,252
Just the basics.
765
00:37:02,187 --> 00:37:06,124
MELISSA: Um, he picked
them up on the road,
766
00:37:06,224 --> 00:37:08,627
um, usually at truck stops.
767
00:37:08,727 --> 00:37:12,398
Um, he could be
charming, funny. He, um,
768
00:37:12,498 --> 00:37:14,433
came off like a guy
you could trust.
769
00:37:14,533 --> 00:37:17,303
DR. GREG: Were they, um,
working girls? Prostitutes?
770
00:37:17,436 --> 00:37:20,439
MELISSA: Some of them
were sex workers, yes.
771
00:37:20,572 --> 00:37:23,275
Sex became rape.
772
00:37:23,409 --> 00:37:24,943
Strangulation.
773
00:37:25,043 --> 00:37:27,946
And then he would dump
the bodies in rural areas.
774
00:37:28,046 --> 00:37:31,683
Many of them weren't
found, uh, for years.
775
00:37:31,783 --> 00:37:33,384
DR. GREG: Sure. Wow.
776
00:37:33,385 --> 00:37:37,423
Uh, can we talk about how
your father got caught?
777
00:37:38,957 --> 00:37:41,427
A woman named Louise Nelson.
778
00:37:41,527 --> 00:37:43,395
Go for Louise on the BAM.
779
00:37:43,495 --> 00:37:45,130
Camera A, push on Melissa.
780
00:37:45,263 --> 00:37:48,834
Uh, he was questioned
about her murder,
781
00:37:48,967 --> 00:37:50,902
and that led to...
782
00:37:51,002 --> 00:37:52,937
an eventual confession
783
00:37:52,938 --> 00:37:56,475
to her and seven others.
784
00:37:57,576 --> 00:38:01,447
What made Louise different
from the other victims?
785
00:38:02,514 --> 00:38:04,015
He knew her.
786
00:38:04,850 --> 00:38:06,352
Um, they were dating.
787
00:38:06,485 --> 00:38:07,986
They said they were
gonna get married.
788
00:38:08,086 --> 00:38:09,655
Uh... I-I thought
789
00:38:09,788 --> 00:38:11,823
she'd make a cool stepmom.
790
00:38:14,826 --> 00:38:17,863
It was so stupid of
me to believe him.
791
00:38:17,996 --> 00:38:20,999
Not at all, Melissa. Not at all.
792
00:38:21,132 --> 00:38:22,701
You were a child.
793
00:38:22,801 --> 00:38:25,236
A-And you had a
connection with her.
794
00:38:25,337 --> 00:38:29,375
After all, you both
loved a killer.
795
00:38:32,277 --> 00:38:34,413
♪ ♪
796
00:38:48,427 --> 00:38:51,096
TINA: You found him.
797
00:38:57,736 --> 00:38:59,371
I draw, too.
798
00:39:00,205 --> 00:39:01,940
Well, that's intense.
799
00:39:02,874 --> 00:39:03,974
I know.
800
00:39:03,975 --> 00:39:07,012
He just sent me a
drawing, actually.
801
00:39:07,112 --> 00:39:08,647
For my birthday.
802
00:39:09,648 --> 00:39:12,349
How much do you want for it?
803
00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:13,818
Oh, I don't know if I...
804
00:39:13,819 --> 00:39:15,152
Well, I'll give you
a hundred bucks.
805
00:39:15,153 --> 00:39:17,055
I'm not sure it's for sale.
806
00:39:18,924 --> 00:39:22,127
Well, change your mind,
you know where to find me.
807
00:39:23,395 --> 00:39:25,497
I've always wanted
another piece, but
808
00:39:25,597 --> 00:39:28,834
his work always sells
out so fast online.
809
00:39:29,768 --> 00:39:31,236
He sells it?
810
00:39:32,103 --> 00:39:33,271
From prison?
811
00:39:34,906 --> 00:39:37,909
Is he allowed to
make money like that?
812
00:39:38,043 --> 00:39:40,746
There are ways
around the system.
813
00:39:42,581 --> 00:39:46,952
DR. GREG: Can you explain why
the D.A. Callaway has a problem
814
00:39:47,052 --> 00:39:47,953
with you?
815
00:39:48,053 --> 00:39:51,089
He made his bias very clear.
816
00:39:51,222 --> 00:39:53,291
Which was what?
817
00:39:54,325 --> 00:39:58,797
When it comes to monsters
like my father...
818
00:39:59,831 --> 00:40:02,366
...the apple doesn't
fall far from the tree.
819
00:40:02,367 --> 00:40:04,135
(sighs)
820
00:40:04,903 --> 00:40:08,273
He said, "I am sure
this daughter has
821
00:40:08,373 --> 00:40:12,277
"issues that I can expose,
822
00:40:12,377 --> 00:40:13,377
use."
823
00:40:13,411 --> 00:40:16,114
He said he would eviscerate her
824
00:40:16,214 --> 00:40:20,251
on the stand and make her
testimony meaningless.
825
00:40:20,351 --> 00:40:21,653
DR. GREG: That, uh...
826
00:40:21,787 --> 00:40:24,155
that must've been very
difficult for you.
827
00:40:25,390 --> 00:40:26,958
I'm used to it.
828
00:40:29,961 --> 00:40:32,464
Just last week, a
prison guard cornered me
829
00:40:32,564 --> 00:40:35,099
and asked me if I was a...
830
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:38,235
sick blank like my dad.
831
00:40:38,236 --> 00:40:40,672
DR. GREG: I'm so
sorry, Melissa.
832
00:40:41,507 --> 00:40:43,975
It's part of...
833
00:40:44,075 --> 00:40:46,512
what pushed me to
come forward today
834
00:40:46,645 --> 00:40:49,414
and... and do what's right.
835
00:40:49,515 --> 00:40:50,982
Wait.
836
00:40:51,082 --> 00:40:54,119
Ask if she does worry
that she's like him.
837
00:40:57,623 --> 00:41:00,325
What? It's a fair question.
838
00:41:01,126 --> 00:41:03,194
Uh... Melissa...
839
00:41:03,294 --> 00:41:05,831
I-I have to ask this.
840
00:41:05,964 --> 00:41:09,901
Do you worry that
you are like him?
841
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:13,938
I would never hurt anyone.
842
00:41:13,939 --> 00:41:15,607
Oh, of course not.
843
00:41:15,707 --> 00:41:17,142
O-Of course not, but...
844
00:41:17,242 --> 00:41:19,778
I-I can see that I've
hit a nerve here.
845
00:41:20,546 --> 00:41:22,780
My life is completely
different from his.
846
00:41:22,781 --> 00:41:24,015
I have a healthy marriage.
847
00:41:24,115 --> 00:41:25,884
I have a-a husband
who supports me.
848
00:41:26,017 --> 00:41:29,987
I am there for my kids
849
00:41:29,988 --> 00:41:32,090
in a way that-that...
850
00:41:32,190 --> 00:41:34,491
my parents could have
never been there for me.
851
00:41:34,492 --> 00:41:37,696
You are breaking
the trauma cycle.
852
00:41:38,496 --> 00:41:41,032
All I ever wanted was to
have a normal family, and...
853
00:41:41,132 --> 00:41:44,870
I never want my kids to ever
worry about... (chuckles)
854
00:41:44,970 --> 00:41:47,673
going hungry or
getting evicted or
855
00:41:47,773 --> 00:41:50,408
having to visit their
father in prison.
856
00:41:51,176 --> 00:41:53,211
Melissa, you have worked hard
857
00:41:53,311 --> 00:41:56,915
to give your children everything
you never had in life.
858
00:41:57,983 --> 00:42:01,219
To create a life
that looks perfect
859
00:42:01,352 --> 00:42:04,155
from the outside.
860
00:42:04,990 --> 00:42:06,892
But do you ever worry that
861
00:42:06,992 --> 00:42:10,729
part of why you kept
your father a secret
862
00:42:10,829 --> 00:42:13,264
is because you're afraid that,
863
00:42:13,398 --> 00:42:15,066
deep down,
864
00:42:15,166 --> 00:42:18,103
you are like him?
865
00:42:19,905 --> 00:42:22,608
Watch out for tears, people.
866
00:42:22,708 --> 00:42:25,209
Hey. Go easy on her.
867
00:42:25,210 --> 00:42:28,580
You opened the door. I'm
just walking through it.
868
00:42:28,714 --> 00:42:30,148
DR. GREG: The person you loved
869
00:42:30,248 --> 00:42:33,484
and trusted more than
anybody in the world
870
00:42:33,585 --> 00:42:36,588
turned out to be a monster.
871
00:42:36,688 --> 00:42:39,224
That taught you
872
00:42:39,324 --> 00:42:42,160
that you were unworthy of love.
873
00:42:43,294 --> 00:42:46,331
Because your father
didn't love you enough
874
00:42:46,431 --> 00:42:49,434
not to kill women.
875
00:42:49,534 --> 00:42:51,035
That taught you
876
00:42:51,036 --> 00:42:53,939
that you were stupid
877
00:42:54,072 --> 00:42:56,707
because you knew him best
878
00:42:56,708 --> 00:42:58,844
and you didn't know.
879
00:42:58,944 --> 00:43:01,647
And all those kids
who bullied you?
880
00:43:01,747 --> 00:43:04,249
The-the D.A.s and-and-and
the prison guards,
881
00:43:04,349 --> 00:43:06,050
all those people who
said you're like him?
882
00:43:06,051 --> 00:43:09,187
They're just confirming
what you already knew.
883
00:43:09,955 --> 00:43:13,058
Melissa, you have
a beautiful family,
884
00:43:13,158 --> 00:43:15,493
the career, the house.
885
00:43:15,627 --> 00:43:18,329
It all looks so perfect,
886
00:43:18,463 --> 00:43:20,465
but I tell you, it
doesn't mean a lick
887
00:43:20,598 --> 00:43:23,869
if you don't believe
that you deserve it.
888
00:43:27,706 --> 00:43:30,375
What if I'm like him?
889
00:43:31,142 --> 00:43:33,311
Is that what you're afraid of?
890
00:43:33,444 --> 00:43:36,314
(crying): It's just...
891
00:43:36,447 --> 00:43:38,183
I'm...
892
00:43:39,617 --> 00:43:42,153
I'm just scared. I'm just...
893
00:43:42,253 --> 00:43:45,256
just so scared that I...
894
00:43:45,356 --> 00:43:47,993
I came from him.
895
00:43:48,126 --> 00:43:49,360
And...
896
00:43:49,494 --> 00:43:52,262
he just seemed so normal,
and then there was...
897
00:43:52,263 --> 00:43:54,866
this side of him
that was just so...
898
00:43:54,966 --> 00:43:56,634
it was just so dark.
899
00:43:56,735 --> 00:43:59,905
And you worry that
you have that, too?
900
00:44:00,806 --> 00:44:02,607
Sometimes.
901
00:44:02,708 --> 00:44:05,543
That's why I don't
like to see him ever.
902
00:44:05,643 --> 00:44:07,644
Because he plugs into this thing
903
00:44:07,645 --> 00:44:12,250
inside of me that makes
me feel so out of control.
904
00:44:13,351 --> 00:44:14,920
Like... (sighs)
905
00:44:15,020 --> 00:44:18,189
Like he can see something
inside of me that I...
906
00:44:18,289 --> 00:44:20,458
that I didn't even
know was there.
907
00:44:21,226 --> 00:44:24,730
DR. GREG: That is your
father manipulating you.
908
00:44:24,863 --> 00:44:26,732
He knows your fears,
909
00:44:26,865 --> 00:44:29,901
- he knows your shame.
- (sighs)
910
00:44:30,702 --> 00:44:32,938
And he knows that
you still love him.
911
00:44:33,038 --> 00:44:35,240
(sighs)
912
00:44:35,373 --> 00:44:39,077
But, Melissa, I know you, too.
913
00:44:39,177 --> 00:44:43,180
You're empathetic, you're
smart, you're kind,
914
00:44:43,181 --> 00:44:44,549
you are selfless.
915
00:44:44,649 --> 00:44:47,018
- (sniffles)
- You care deeply about others.
916
00:44:47,118 --> 00:44:49,587
You are your father's daughter,
917
00:44:49,721 --> 00:44:52,322
but you are not like him.
918
00:44:52,323 --> 00:44:55,426
- (audience murmuring)
- You never will be.
919
00:44:56,361 --> 00:44:58,596
(sighs)
920
00:44:58,696 --> 00:44:59,998
I know.
921
00:45:00,098 --> 00:45:01,165
Do you know?
922
00:45:01,166 --> 00:45:03,935
I think you should say it.
923
00:45:06,171 --> 00:45:08,106
I'll never be him.
924
00:45:08,907 --> 00:45:10,909
- (applause)
- You kind of agree, right?
925
00:45:11,009 --> 00:45:12,677
You all agree?
926
00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:23,288
How do you feel?
927
00:45:26,224 --> 00:45:27,692
- Relieved.
- (laughs softly)
928
00:45:27,793 --> 00:45:30,295
Good. Good.
929
00:45:30,395 --> 00:45:32,798
("Happy Man" by The
Cactus Blossoms playing)
930
00:45:36,134 --> 00:45:40,271
♪ I'm a happy man
on a gloomy day ♪
931
00:45:40,405 --> 00:45:45,710
♪ Can't tell the clouds
not to act that way ♪
932
00:45:47,345 --> 00:45:50,348
♪ I'm a happy man ♪
933
00:45:51,182 --> 00:45:53,384
♪ On a gloomy day ♪
934
00:45:53,484 --> 00:45:54,752
Hmm.
935
00:45:54,853 --> 00:45:56,287
(birds chirping)
936
00:45:56,387 --> 00:45:58,623
♪ I'll wait patiently ♪
937
00:45:58,756 --> 00:46:02,660
♪ For things to come my way... ♪
938
00:46:05,530 --> 00:46:07,799
Pack of blues, please.
939
00:46:07,899 --> 00:46:09,534
♪ Dancing on the floor ♪
940
00:46:09,634 --> 00:46:12,137
♪ Maybe two or three... ♪
941
00:46:12,237 --> 00:46:14,405
Anything else?
942
00:46:16,774 --> 00:46:22,780
♪ When they pass my way,
they all stop and say ♪
943
00:46:25,416 --> 00:46:28,219
♪ I'm a happy man. ♪
944
00:46:31,256 --> 00:46:34,692
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