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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,566 --> 00:00:03,786 the people are represented by two separate, 2 00:00:03,829 --> 00:00:05,353 yet equally important groups. 3 00:00:05,614 --> 00:00:07,529 The police, who investigate crime, 4 00:00:08,225 --> 00:00:10,793 and the Crown Prosecutors, who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:11,272 --> 00:00:12,229 These are their stories. 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,193 Police have been granted a further 24 hours 7 00:00:19,236 --> 00:00:20,542 to interview Lennie Gaines, 8 00:00:20,890 --> 00:00:22,848 the father of 10-year-old Jodie Gaines, 9 00:00:22,892 --> 00:00:24,415 who's been missing for seven days. 10 00:00:25,242 --> 00:00:27,288 Jodie went missing last Friday on her way 11 00:00:27,331 --> 00:00:29,203 to a music lesson in Central London. 12 00:00:29,768 --> 00:00:31,074 Earlier this week, 13 00:00:31,118 --> 00:00:32,858 Lennie Gaines and his ex-wife Kayleigh, 14 00:00:32,902 --> 00:00:36,123 made an emotional plea for Jodie's safe return. 15 00:00:36,819 --> 00:00:38,081 [Lennie] If you saw Jodie... 16 00:00:39,256 --> 00:00:40,388 and you know where... 17 00:00:42,738 --> 00:00:43,826 where she is... 18 00:00:48,787 --> 00:00:53,053 -[engine whirring] -[truck beeping] 19 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:57,405 Please... 20 00:01:00,234 --> 00:01:01,365 tell the police. 21 00:01:02,497 --> 00:01:04,238 [crash] 22 00:01:09,460 --> 00:01:10,635 She's our baby. 23 00:01:14,378 --> 00:01:15,466 And we need her home. 24 00:01:17,947 --> 00:01:19,079 We need her home now. 25 00:01:21,603 --> 00:01:23,431 [sirens wailing] 26 00:01:23,474 --> 00:01:25,128 [woman] Couple of Latvian skip rats 27 00:01:25,172 --> 00:01:26,782 found her about three hours ago. 28 00:01:26,825 --> 00:01:28,305 They were after scrap metal. 29 00:01:28,653 --> 00:01:30,307 She was under that radiator. 30 00:01:30,568 --> 00:01:32,875 Time of death, about six to ten hours ago. 31 00:01:33,397 --> 00:01:34,703 Cause, not obvious. 32 00:01:36,270 --> 00:01:38,141 She'd only been dead an hour or so when they dumped her. 33 00:01:38,185 --> 00:01:41,623 There's abrasions on the palms of her hands. Looks like glass. 34 00:01:43,668 --> 00:01:44,626 Is it her? 35 00:01:44,974 --> 00:01:47,498 Jodie had a scar on her left arm. 36 00:01:49,544 --> 00:01:50,458 [groans] 37 00:01:51,633 --> 00:01:53,548 Any sign of her school bag or mobile? 38 00:01:53,591 --> 00:01:55,767 -[coroner] Nothing yet. -Anything else for us? 39 00:01:55,811 --> 00:01:57,726 Couple of mothballs stuck to the sheet. 40 00:01:58,770 --> 00:02:00,337 Who uses mothballs these days? 41 00:02:01,643 --> 00:02:04,385 Who tapes a kid's mouth shut, and shoves them in a skip? 42 00:02:04,689 --> 00:02:07,475 I don't know... but it wasn't her dad. 43 00:02:09,433 --> 00:02:10,913 Let's get him out of the cells then, eh? 44 00:03:35,954 --> 00:03:37,739 [Lennie] We've told you everything we know. 45 00:03:38,087 --> 00:03:40,394 Yeah, but it will just help us, Mr Gaines. 46 00:03:40,916 --> 00:03:43,223 We just need to go over your statements again. 47 00:03:43,919 --> 00:03:45,225 Routine, that's all. 48 00:03:46,313 --> 00:03:47,270 [Lennie] Forty-nine hours I've been locked up. 49 00:03:48,532 --> 00:03:50,882 And all the time she's been out there. Alive. 50 00:03:51,579 --> 00:03:54,538 [Ronnie] Well, the other team, you know, made a bad call. 51 00:03:54,582 --> 00:03:56,758 And I know it doesn't make it any easier. 52 00:03:57,106 --> 00:03:59,717 But when a child goes missing, presumed dead, 53 00:03:59,761 --> 00:04:01,589 we have to consider every possibility. 54 00:04:02,894 --> 00:04:04,766 Even the fact that maybe the dad did it. 55 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:06,681 Not this. 56 00:04:07,769 --> 00:04:08,857 Not this dad. 57 00:04:11,338 --> 00:04:13,557 Just like to go over Jodie's after-school routine, 58 00:04:13,601 --> 00:04:15,037 if that's okay. 59 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,257 [Lennie] Just in case something may have been missed. 60 00:04:17,822 --> 00:04:20,999 Guitar lesson, 4 p.m. Poland Street. 61 00:04:21,043 --> 00:04:22,566 It's about a mile away from the school. 62 00:04:22,610 --> 00:04:23,741 [Ronnie] And how does she get there? 63 00:04:23,785 --> 00:04:25,787 Same cab firm. They're all CRB checked. 64 00:04:25,830 --> 00:04:27,789 Look, Jodie knows all the drivers. 65 00:04:28,093 --> 00:04:29,747 Been through this a hundred times. 66 00:04:29,791 --> 00:04:31,053 Well, you don't think she's a bit young 67 00:04:31,096 --> 00:04:32,359 to be taking cabs on her own? 68 00:04:34,578 --> 00:04:36,406 Well, cabs, you know. 69 00:04:36,798 --> 00:04:38,452 They're checked, so they're safe, eh? 70 00:04:40,062 --> 00:04:42,499 She's usually back ten minutes after me. 71 00:04:43,935 --> 00:04:44,936 I waited... 72 00:04:46,111 --> 00:04:48,331 and waited, but she didn't come home. 73 00:04:51,856 --> 00:04:53,771 So, Jodie was staying with you, yeah? 74 00:04:54,381 --> 00:04:55,382 [Lennie] Jodie lived with me. 75 00:04:55,425 --> 00:04:57,384 The family courts gave me custody. 76 00:04:57,775 --> 00:04:58,820 [Ronnie] Right. 77 00:04:59,473 --> 00:05:00,648 [Lennie] I'll call Grebo. 78 00:05:01,649 --> 00:05:02,563 Grebo? 79 00:05:04,782 --> 00:05:06,523 Grebo Maul. The guitar teacher. 80 00:05:07,394 --> 00:05:08,525 [Ronnie] Lovely. Thanks, Matt. 81 00:05:08,569 --> 00:05:10,005 But he said she never showed up, but 82 00:05:10,614 --> 00:05:13,661 the school teacher said she saw her get into the cab. 83 00:05:15,837 --> 00:05:19,057 Cause of death was suffocation. Jodie had a stomach bug. 84 00:05:19,101 --> 00:05:20,015 Her mouth was taped shut. 85 00:05:21,233 --> 00:05:22,278 Vomit needed to go somewhere and it did. 86 00:05:22,322 --> 00:05:23,366 It clogged up her nasal passages. 87 00:05:23,410 --> 00:05:24,454 [Natalie] Jesus. 88 00:05:24,498 --> 00:05:25,760 So it could have been accidental. 89 00:05:25,803 --> 00:05:27,457 Oh, accidentally tape her mouth shut, did he? 90 00:05:27,501 --> 00:05:29,024 How are we gonna tell that to the dad? 91 00:05:29,067 --> 00:05:30,634 Well, it's her mum I'm worried about. 92 00:05:30,678 --> 00:05:32,114 Poor woman could barely speak. 93 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,856 At least Jodie wasn't sexually assaulted. 94 00:05:34,899 --> 00:05:36,814 That's got to be some consolation. 95 00:05:36,858 --> 00:05:38,599 Although that could've been the motive 96 00:05:38,642 --> 00:05:40,165 for the kidnapping though. 97 00:05:40,209 --> 00:05:42,080 They did pull over 50 splinters of glass out of her hands. 98 00:05:42,124 --> 00:05:43,691 How did the glass get in her hands? 99 00:05:44,082 --> 00:05:46,084 Well, could've been a scuffle, glass could've smashed 100 00:05:46,128 --> 00:05:47,477 and she could've tried to crawl over it. 101 00:05:47,521 --> 00:05:49,087 Any news on the sheet she was wrapped up in? 102 00:05:49,131 --> 00:05:51,089 It was a 1950s vintage top sheet. 103 00:05:51,133 --> 00:05:52,569 Part of a set, but it could've come 104 00:05:52,613 --> 00:05:54,223 from any retro shop, jumble sale-- 105 00:05:54,266 --> 00:05:57,052 Or it could've been bought new and just had over, I don't know, 106 00:05:57,095 --> 00:05:58,749 -half a century's worth of use. -Yeah. 107 00:06:00,447 --> 00:06:01,622 Talk to the cabbie again. 108 00:06:02,187 --> 00:06:03,232 And to the guitar teacher. 109 00:06:06,453 --> 00:06:09,064 [Grebo] Like I told the other cops, she didn't show. 110 00:06:10,587 --> 00:06:13,373 The thing is, Grebo-- can I call you Grebo? 111 00:06:13,938 --> 00:06:17,681 We have a witness that saw her walk through your front door. 112 00:06:17,986 --> 00:06:19,074 I don't know what to say. 113 00:06:19,727 --> 00:06:20,902 You went through my flat. 114 00:06:22,382 --> 00:06:23,644 And don't think you won't get a bill for the damages. 115 00:06:23,687 --> 00:06:24,862 I'll give you the number of our complaints line. 116 00:06:24,906 --> 00:06:27,430 So Jodie comes to your place week in week out 117 00:06:27,474 --> 00:06:28,605 for guitar lessons. 118 00:06:28,649 --> 00:06:29,911 When she doesn't show up, 119 00:06:29,954 --> 00:06:31,695 you don't think to call her parents? 120 00:06:31,739 --> 00:06:33,567 I did the first time she tried it. 121 00:06:33,610 --> 00:06:35,046 Her dad went mental. 122 00:06:35,569 --> 00:06:37,571 So what about the second or the third time? 123 00:06:37,614 --> 00:06:39,181 [Grebo] Her dad kept her on a tight leash. 124 00:06:39,573 --> 00:06:41,792 Look, if I thought for one second 125 00:06:41,836 --> 00:06:44,099 Jodie was in trouble, I'd have called her dad. 126 00:06:48,059 --> 00:06:51,846 I've been driving Jodie over a year now. Sparky kid. 127 00:06:51,889 --> 00:06:54,065 Where exactly did you drop Jodie? 128 00:06:54,849 --> 00:06:57,460 Outside Food City on Poland Street. 129 00:06:57,504 --> 00:06:59,070 Her music teacher lives above it. 130 00:06:59,114 --> 00:07:00,681 [Matt] And you watched her go in? 131 00:07:01,116 --> 00:07:02,160 Always do. 132 00:07:02,204 --> 00:07:03,727 The school recommends us to parents. 133 00:07:03,771 --> 00:07:06,556 -It's part of the deal. -And what route did you take? 134 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,732 Shaftesbury Avenue, Wardour Street, 135 00:07:08,776 --> 00:07:11,082 er, Broadwick Street, then onto Poland Street. 136 00:07:12,867 --> 00:07:14,521 -[Ronnie] Lads. All right. -How you doing? 137 00:07:14,564 --> 00:07:16,566 Just a quick question. How long you been working here? 138 00:07:16,610 --> 00:07:17,915 [worker] Best part of a week. 139 00:07:18,699 --> 00:07:21,005 And this diversion's been in place the whole time? 140 00:07:21,049 --> 00:07:22,050 Yeah. 141 00:07:22,616 --> 00:07:23,791 Am I missing something? 142 00:07:25,357 --> 00:07:27,534 Right, our cabbie reckons he drove down Broadwick Street 143 00:07:27,577 --> 00:07:29,100 and turned right onto Poland Street. 144 00:07:29,144 --> 00:07:30,928 [machines buzzing] 145 00:07:30,972 --> 00:07:32,495 Maybe his cab's got wings. 146 00:07:33,191 --> 00:07:34,454 [Dom] Okay, okay. 147 00:07:35,150 --> 00:07:36,891 Maybe I took Noel Street 148 00:07:36,934 --> 00:07:39,197 and turned left into Poland Street. 149 00:07:39,241 --> 00:07:40,634 No, that's one-way. 150 00:07:41,809 --> 00:07:43,506 Then it must have been D'Arblay Street. 151 00:07:43,550 --> 00:07:44,942 [Matt] I don't know, Ronnie, I thought these cabbies 152 00:07:44,986 --> 00:07:46,553 were meant to have a memory for routes. 153 00:07:46,596 --> 00:07:48,598 [Ronnie] You know what, Dom, I sympathize with you, 154 00:07:48,642 --> 00:07:50,078 I really do. 155 00:07:50,121 --> 00:07:52,515 And I'll tell you for why. Because when I was married 156 00:07:52,559 --> 00:07:54,996 to the first Mrs. Brooks and I came home late, 157 00:07:55,039 --> 00:07:57,955 she would want to know every single detail. 158 00:07:57,999 --> 00:07:59,870 And I used to struggle, because, I've gotta be honest, 159 00:07:59,914 --> 00:08:01,655 half the time I couldn't remember-- 160 00:08:01,698 --> 00:08:02,960 What's it matter what road 161 00:08:03,004 --> 00:08:05,006 -I took? -Hey, hey. It matters. 162 00:08:05,702 --> 00:08:07,661 [Matt] Because we reckon you took Jodie 163 00:08:07,704 --> 00:08:08,923 for a little detour. 164 00:08:09,619 --> 00:08:11,621 I dunno, maybe school uniforms float your boat. 165 00:08:11,665 --> 00:08:14,102 You're sick. I've got four girls of my own. 166 00:08:14,145 --> 00:08:15,625 So now you think you're a man of honor 167 00:08:15,669 --> 00:08:17,627 because you won't touch your own kids, but as long 168 00:08:17,671 --> 00:08:19,107 as they're not related, then they're fair game. 169 00:08:19,150 --> 00:08:20,630 [Dom] This is crazy. I didn't do that. 170 00:08:20,674 --> 00:08:21,892 Now listen to me, you've lied once-- 171 00:08:21,936 --> 00:08:22,980 [Ronnie] Dom! 172 00:08:24,895 --> 00:08:27,855 -Would you like a cup of tea? -Yes. 173 00:08:28,682 --> 00:08:29,726 Yeah, me and all. 174 00:08:30,988 --> 00:08:31,902 What about you, Matt? Fancy a cup of tea? 175 00:08:32,207 --> 00:08:33,730 Why don't you get us a cup of tea? 176 00:08:42,043 --> 00:08:44,828 For the tape, DS Devlin is leaving the room. 177 00:08:46,874 --> 00:08:47,788 [door closes] 178 00:08:49,180 --> 00:08:50,573 Well. 179 00:08:51,139 --> 00:08:52,227 You know what, Dom? 180 00:08:53,054 --> 00:08:54,577 I think you're telling the truth. 181 00:08:57,188 --> 00:08:59,147 But I also think you're leaving something out. 182 00:08:59,408 --> 00:09:01,976 Some little detail you're not telling us you know. 183 00:09:02,890 --> 00:09:05,806 A bit like when I used to tell my wife I was working late 184 00:09:05,849 --> 00:09:08,765 and forgot to mention I'd spent four hours in the Red Lion. 185 00:09:12,029 --> 00:09:13,248 What's the little detail? 186 00:09:18,949 --> 00:09:20,734 Traffic was hell. 187 00:09:21,648 --> 00:09:24,215 Jodie said she could walk it faster. 188 00:09:26,870 --> 00:09:27,871 I... 189 00:09:30,091 --> 00:09:31,658 dropped her off on Wardour Street. 190 00:09:32,441 --> 00:09:33,660 Corner of Broadwick. 191 00:09:36,271 --> 00:09:37,925 Promised her dad I would never leave 192 00:09:37,968 --> 00:09:39,709 till she was inside. 193 00:09:46,673 --> 00:09:48,370 They ran his name through the system. 194 00:09:48,413 --> 00:09:49,937 Not even a parking fine. 195 00:09:50,415 --> 00:09:52,679 Right. Do you want us to let him go, then, Guv? 196 00:09:52,722 --> 00:09:53,897 Don't you dare. 197 00:09:53,941 --> 00:09:55,769 He's told one lie, maybe there'll be more. 198 00:09:55,812 --> 00:09:58,728 For a start we've been watching the wrong CCTV footage. 199 00:09:58,772 --> 00:10:00,817 Now he's changed his mind about his route... 200 00:10:01,731 --> 00:10:03,603 different cameras might come up trumps. 201 00:10:04,865 --> 00:10:06,867 [Matt] Out she gets. Ronnie? 202 00:10:07,302 --> 00:10:08,695 -Got him. -Nice one. 203 00:10:24,798 --> 00:10:27,017 A second after Jodie turns into Broadwick Street. 204 00:10:27,409 --> 00:10:29,977 -[Matt] Can you rewind that bit? -For you, anything. 205 00:10:33,894 --> 00:10:36,984 So just after Jodie turns into Broadwick Street... 206 00:10:37,985 --> 00:10:39,290 one of the residents of the flats 207 00:10:39,334 --> 00:10:41,902 remembers seeing a white van 208 00:10:41,945 --> 00:10:42,990 hanging around the skip. 209 00:10:44,426 --> 00:10:45,949 Do you know how many white vans there are in London? 210 00:10:49,083 --> 00:10:50,954 [Matt] But not all of them have got racks on the side. 211 00:10:51,302 --> 00:10:52,434 It's a glazier's van. 212 00:10:53,130 --> 00:10:54,915 And Jodie was found with glass splinters 213 00:10:54,958 --> 00:10:55,916 in her hands. 214 00:10:57,265 --> 00:10:58,135 Which could've come from the back of that van. 215 00:11:05,142 --> 00:11:06,709 [Matt] They're all side shots. 216 00:11:06,753 --> 00:11:09,146 Driver's in profile for maybe one frame. 217 00:11:09,451 --> 00:11:12,062 -IC one. IC two maybe. -[Natalie] What about the van? 218 00:11:12,759 --> 00:11:13,803 Congestion Zone cameras 219 00:11:13,847 --> 00:11:15,196 must've got the registration number. 220 00:11:15,239 --> 00:11:17,198 Oh yeah, they got a beauty of the mud obscuring it. 221 00:11:17,241 --> 00:11:18,416 [Natalie] What about the lettering on the side, 222 00:11:18,460 --> 00:11:19,504 behind the rack? 223 00:11:19,548 --> 00:11:21,071 Well, I mean, the logo's all faded 224 00:11:21,115 --> 00:11:22,769 and the angle the sunlight's hitting the glass 225 00:11:22,812 --> 00:11:24,031 means you can't make out a thing. 226 00:11:24,074 --> 00:11:26,250 So basically we're back to square one, Guv. 227 00:11:26,294 --> 00:11:28,339 Is that a window? It's not standard. 228 00:11:29,384 --> 00:11:30,864 Can't be many that shape around. 229 00:11:33,867 --> 00:11:35,042 [Matt laughing] 230 00:11:36,173 --> 00:11:38,001 That... is a modern take 231 00:11:38,045 --> 00:11:40,047 on the 19th century arch window, apparently. 232 00:11:40,090 --> 00:11:41,831 Well, that's very good, but does he have any idea 233 00:11:41,875 --> 00:11:43,050 what sort of building it comes from? 234 00:11:43,311 --> 00:11:44,965 Well, I reckon we've been there a few times. 235 00:11:45,792 --> 00:11:46,793 Nope you've lost me. 236 00:11:46,836 --> 00:11:48,403 That is a window from the south block 237 00:11:48,446 --> 00:11:49,447 of the Old Bailey. 238 00:11:52,189 --> 00:11:53,451 [phone ringing] 239 00:11:57,978 --> 00:12:00,284 -[machines whirring] -[music playing] 240 00:12:00,328 --> 00:12:02,939 That's right. We did the Old Bailey job last week. 241 00:12:02,983 --> 00:12:05,333 -Wasn't easy matching it up. -Is this one of yours? 242 00:12:07,814 --> 00:12:08,902 What's this all about? 243 00:12:09,467 --> 00:12:11,818 [Ronnie] We asked first, Mr Andreou. 244 00:12:12,122 --> 00:12:14,037 Yeah, it looks like one of my vans. 245 00:12:14,081 --> 00:12:15,430 What was it? Hit and run? 246 00:12:15,473 --> 00:12:17,388 We think the driver may have witnessed a crime. 247 00:12:19,303 --> 00:12:20,957 Well, look, I've got over 30 fitters. 248 00:12:21,001 --> 00:12:22,480 I'd need to check the files. 249 00:12:22,524 --> 00:12:24,221 Leave me a number and I'll get back to you. 250 00:12:25,962 --> 00:12:27,181 Have you been sober long? 251 00:12:28,922 --> 00:12:29,836 [Farris] Pardon? 252 00:12:31,272 --> 00:12:32,926 "To thine own self be true" That's what mine says. 253 00:12:34,231 --> 00:12:34,971 How long? 254 00:12:37,104 --> 00:12:38,888 Three hundred and ninety-two days. 255 00:12:40,890 --> 00:12:41,761 That's good. 256 00:12:45,112 --> 00:12:47,288 We need this information now, Mr Andreou. 257 00:12:55,383 --> 00:12:57,472 You know the Grovewood Rehab Clinic, do ya? 258 00:12:57,515 --> 00:12:59,779 Well, I read the brochure in between pints. 259 00:13:00,649 --> 00:13:01,868 Yeah, Christos. 260 00:13:02,869 --> 00:13:04,914 Who fitted the window on the Old Bailey job? 261 00:13:05,915 --> 00:13:06,829 Cheers. 262 00:13:08,004 --> 00:13:09,136 Nick Carlton. 263 00:13:09,179 --> 00:13:10,485 Lives in Kennington. He's out on a job. 264 00:13:13,096 --> 00:13:14,358 Don't tell my boss, right? 265 00:13:15,142 --> 00:13:16,143 I was moonlighting. 266 00:13:17,013 --> 00:13:18,536 [Matt] You got the address? 267 00:13:18,580 --> 00:13:20,930 Must have chucked it out. The job wasn't worth my while. 268 00:13:20,974 --> 00:13:22,323 [Ronnie] What about a client's name? 269 00:13:22,366 --> 00:13:23,977 [Nick] I ain't got a memory for names me. 270 00:13:24,020 --> 00:13:26,457 That's a shame What did you do after that? 271 00:13:27,284 --> 00:13:29,112 Er, big job. Belgravia. 272 00:13:29,156 --> 00:13:31,288 Traffic was mental by the time I got there it was after six. 273 00:13:31,332 --> 00:13:33,464 So I packed it in, headed for the Westminster Bridge. 274 00:13:34,378 --> 00:13:35,553 What-- to Kennington? 275 00:13:35,597 --> 00:13:37,077 Surely Vauxhall Bridge would be quicker? 276 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,992 My mum lives in Deptford. Went round for dinner. 277 00:13:39,383 --> 00:13:40,820 Who else was there? 278 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:42,560 Just Mum. 279 00:13:44,432 --> 00:13:46,956 And what time did the party finish at your mum's? 280 00:13:47,565 --> 00:13:49,916 I dunno. I watched the footie and left. 281 00:13:51,178 --> 00:13:52,614 And your mum will vouch that you were there? 282 00:13:52,657 --> 00:13:54,485 She don't need to. Speed cameras will do that. 283 00:13:54,529 --> 00:13:55,965 I got done on the way there. 284 00:13:56,009 --> 00:13:57,924 Eighty quid and three points. I was only going forty. 285 00:14:00,361 --> 00:14:02,580 [Matt] No, Nick Carlton is habitual. 286 00:14:02,624 --> 00:14:03,886 He started off with a tour 287 00:14:03,930 --> 00:14:05,888 of Young Offenders Institutions at 15, 288 00:14:05,932 --> 00:14:07,237 he graduated with the big boys. 289 00:14:07,281 --> 00:14:09,239 You name a nick that he hasn't been in. 290 00:14:09,283 --> 00:14:10,980 -What did he do? -What didn't he do? 291 00:14:11,459 --> 00:14:13,591 Burglary, GBH, hit and run, 292 00:14:13,983 --> 00:14:15,898 one rape charge that never made it to court, 293 00:14:15,942 --> 00:14:18,292 one that got him eight years, he served four. 294 00:14:18,335 --> 00:14:20,076 The youngest victim was 20. 295 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,383 Killing little girls though, that's-- that's a big leap. 296 00:14:22,426 --> 00:14:24,515 He has been out six years, and nothing. 297 00:14:24,559 --> 00:14:26,126 Well, maybe prison did him some good. 298 00:14:26,169 --> 00:14:27,910 Or taught him how not to get caught. 299 00:14:27,954 --> 00:14:29,433 Did you confirm that speed camera? 300 00:14:29,477 --> 00:14:30,782 Going 40 in a 30. 301 00:14:30,826 --> 00:14:32,175 [Matt] Doesn't mean he didn't have a dead girl 302 00:14:32,219 --> 00:14:33,437 in the back of his van. 303 00:14:33,481 --> 00:14:34,612 And he goes straight on to his mum's house 304 00:14:34,656 --> 00:14:36,179 for a plate of spag bol? 305 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,312 -Man's got to eat. -[Natalie] He's got history, 306 00:14:38,355 --> 00:14:40,009 and he was at the scene of the kidnapping. 307 00:14:40,053 --> 00:14:42,403 -I want you to search his van. -[Matt] Yeah. 308 00:14:45,232 --> 00:14:47,451 [Teddy] We went through the van with a fine-tooth comb. 309 00:14:48,061 --> 00:14:50,324 And I checked the material under the microscope. 310 00:14:50,585 --> 00:14:54,110 -No fibers, no hair. -[Matt] What? Nothing? 311 00:14:55,242 --> 00:14:56,939 Apart from bad taste in music. 312 00:14:58,549 --> 00:14:59,724 Well, go through it again. 313 00:14:59,768 --> 00:15:01,552 Look, if it was there, I'd have found it. 314 00:15:01,596 --> 00:15:03,032 [Ronnie] Actually, that makes sense, 315 00:15:03,076 --> 00:15:04,033 Matt, because... 316 00:15:04,077 --> 00:15:05,643 -[Teddy] Thanks. -Yeah. 317 00:15:05,687 --> 00:15:07,254 Nick Carlton has been there and back and brought the T-Shirt 318 00:15:07,297 --> 00:15:08,646 with the old hit and run caper, wouldn't he? 319 00:15:08,690 --> 00:15:10,213 So the first thing he's gonna do 320 00:15:10,257 --> 00:15:11,954 is book his vehicle in for a valet. 321 00:15:11,998 --> 00:15:13,695 But Jodie had glass in her hands. 322 00:15:13,738 --> 00:15:15,044 There must have been blood there. 323 00:15:15,088 --> 00:15:17,133 They were just abrasions on her hands 324 00:15:17,177 --> 00:15:18,482 with glass splinters embedded. 325 00:15:19,135 --> 00:15:20,484 No actual blood, I'm afraid. 326 00:15:21,398 --> 00:15:23,052 Look, we've sent the glass off for analysis. 327 00:15:23,096 --> 00:15:24,445 I've said it's a priority. 328 00:15:25,272 --> 00:15:26,273 Oh, great. 329 00:15:28,536 --> 00:15:29,754 -Cheers, Teddy. -[Teddy] Thanks. 330 00:15:29,798 --> 00:15:31,191 [Matt] So, what now? 331 00:15:31,234 --> 00:15:33,323 Right. Well, let's check his alibi. Talk to his mum. 332 00:15:35,456 --> 00:15:37,197 [Mrs. Carlton] I made roast pork. 333 00:15:37,632 --> 00:15:39,025 It's Nicky's favorite. 334 00:15:39,286 --> 00:15:40,591 [Ronnie] You know what I love, Mrs. Carlton? 335 00:15:40,635 --> 00:15:42,028 Roast pork sandwiches. 336 00:15:42,637 --> 00:15:44,247 Thick white bread, butter, you know, 337 00:15:44,291 --> 00:15:46,293 bit of apple sauce, pepper. Beautiful. 338 00:15:47,381 --> 00:15:48,730 What about your Nicky, did he make himself 339 00:15:48,773 --> 00:15:50,297 a sandwich before he went on the road? 340 00:15:50,340 --> 00:15:52,125 I don't know. I went to bed. 341 00:15:53,126 --> 00:15:55,432 -At what time? -After the news. 342 00:15:56,564 --> 00:15:59,219 Which do you prefer, BBC London, or London Tonight? 343 00:15:59,610 --> 00:16:01,656 They've all got the same bad news. 344 00:16:03,136 --> 00:16:04,659 I bet the Hammers look good on that, don't they? 345 00:16:04,702 --> 00:16:06,487 [Mrs. Carlton] Nicky gave it me for Christmas. 346 00:16:07,662 --> 00:16:09,055 To watch Chelsea. 347 00:16:09,664 --> 00:16:12,145 [laughs] Oh, Ronnie? 348 00:16:14,451 --> 00:16:15,365 Well, well. 349 00:16:17,585 --> 00:16:19,195 We was only talking about them the other day. 350 00:16:19,239 --> 00:16:21,589 Mattie was asking me who uses mothballs nowadays. 351 00:16:21,632 --> 00:16:23,330 [Mrs. Carlton] You get infestations. 352 00:16:23,721 --> 00:16:26,594 Kept finding the little blighters all over. 353 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,249 Coming in through my airing cupboard. 354 00:16:30,163 --> 00:16:31,512 Mind if we have a look? 355 00:16:32,208 --> 00:16:33,427 [Mrs. Carlton] You already have. 356 00:16:38,562 --> 00:16:40,173 [Ronnie] My old mum had a set of them. 357 00:16:41,217 --> 00:16:43,176 What's that, two pillowcases and a bottom sheet? 358 00:16:44,873 --> 00:16:46,396 Top sheet would make the set. 359 00:16:56,363 --> 00:16:57,494 [Ronnie] Not gonna be a silly boy 360 00:16:57,538 --> 00:16:59,148 and try and do a runner, are you? 361 00:16:59,583 --> 00:17:01,498 [Matt] No, you're an old hand at this. 362 00:17:01,542 --> 00:17:02,586 Nicholas Carlton... 363 00:17:03,544 --> 00:17:04,719 I'm arresting you on suspicion 364 00:17:04,762 --> 00:17:07,287 of the kidnap and murder of Jodie Gaines. 365 00:17:07,548 --> 00:17:09,506 Maybe you'd seen little Jodie before 366 00:17:09,550 --> 00:17:12,031 -and picked her out especially. -No comment. 367 00:17:12,379 --> 00:17:13,510 [Ronnie] Look, Nick, the only thing 368 00:17:13,554 --> 00:17:14,729 that's gonna help you now... 369 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:17,558 is if you tell us exactly what happened. 370 00:17:17,601 --> 00:17:18,559 [Matt] Just... 371 00:17:19,777 --> 00:17:21,475 say how sorry you are for killing Jodie. 372 00:17:21,518 --> 00:17:23,303 -No comment. -It's your best chance 373 00:17:23,346 --> 00:17:25,044 of avoiding life without parole. 374 00:17:25,348 --> 00:17:26,349 He's right. 375 00:17:26,871 --> 00:17:28,830 If you didn't mean to kill her... 376 00:17:29,396 --> 00:17:31,050 and it was, say, an accident... 377 00:17:31,746 --> 00:17:33,400 it's a whole other prison sentence 378 00:17:33,443 --> 00:17:35,097 between manslaughter and murder. 379 00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:37,708 So, was it an accident? 380 00:17:40,189 --> 00:17:41,060 No comment. 381 00:17:42,148 --> 00:17:43,584 Judge gives him life without parole, 382 00:17:43,627 --> 00:17:44,672 I wanna be there. 383 00:17:44,933 --> 00:17:46,500 I wanna see the whites of his eyes. 384 00:17:47,196 --> 00:17:49,155 The glass splinters found in Jodie's hands 385 00:17:49,198 --> 00:17:50,591 are an exact match 386 00:17:50,634 --> 00:17:52,767 with the glass found in the back of Carlton's van. 387 00:17:55,422 --> 00:17:56,423 Let's charge him. 388 00:18:03,691 --> 00:18:05,214 [Alesha] The defendant has a catalog 389 00:18:05,258 --> 00:18:07,564 of previous convictions. Many of them violent. 390 00:18:07,608 --> 00:18:10,219 The Crown believes he poses a risk to children. 391 00:18:10,263 --> 00:18:12,308 There is no suggestion that Mr Carlton 392 00:18:12,656 --> 00:18:15,355 has ever committed any offences against children. 393 00:18:15,790 --> 00:18:18,662 His last conviction is ten years old. 394 00:18:19,620 --> 00:18:21,187 And, my Lord... 395 00:18:21,665 --> 00:18:24,842 he is the sole carer for his elderly mother. 396 00:18:33,634 --> 00:18:35,897 [Judge Silverton] I am reluctantly granting bail 397 00:18:36,332 --> 00:18:38,421 on the following strict conditions. 398 00:18:38,900 --> 00:18:42,121 Residence at his mother's address in Deptford. 399 00:18:42,860 --> 00:18:46,821 An electronic tag and curfew between 6 p.m. and 6 a.m. 400 00:18:46,864 --> 00:18:49,650 And twice daily reporting to Deptford Police Station. 401 00:18:57,310 --> 00:18:59,660 [crowd shouting] 402 00:19:01,488 --> 00:19:04,273 [indistinct chatter] 403 00:19:08,408 --> 00:19:09,844 [Lennie] They bailed the bastard. 404 00:19:09,887 --> 00:19:12,238 Lennie, I am so sorry. We will get him at the trial. 405 00:19:12,281 --> 00:19:14,327 Will you? You said he wouldn't get bail. 406 00:19:14,718 --> 00:19:18,853 [people shouting] 407 00:19:20,507 --> 00:19:22,161 -Kayleigh. -[Alesha] No, you stay here. 408 00:19:22,596 --> 00:19:24,511 -Kayleigh. -[Lennie] Kayleigh. 409 00:19:25,729 --> 00:19:27,818 [cameras click] 410 00:19:35,522 --> 00:19:36,697 [guard] You get back... 411 00:19:40,875 --> 00:19:43,704 [screaming] 412 00:19:49,623 --> 00:19:53,670 -Get an ambulance, somebody. -[Matt] CID, excuse me. 413 00:19:54,671 --> 00:19:56,673 What's going on? Wait, you're bleeding. 414 00:19:56,717 --> 00:19:58,371 No, I'm okay. I'm okay. 415 00:19:59,415 --> 00:20:01,678 [sirens wailing] 416 00:20:01,722 --> 00:20:03,419 -Matt. -Kayleigh. 417 00:20:11,819 --> 00:20:14,604 [sobbing] 418 00:20:31,099 --> 00:20:33,536 -He killed Jodie. -[Lennie] Shut up, Kayleigh. 419 00:20:35,408 --> 00:20:36,757 [Kayleigh panting] 420 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,541 Just wait for your brief to get here yeah. 421 00:20:38,585 --> 00:20:39,847 I'm so sorry. 422 00:20:39,890 --> 00:20:42,023 Mrs. Gaines, please just listen to him, okay? 423 00:20:53,948 --> 00:20:54,949 He's dead. 424 00:20:56,472 --> 00:20:57,560 Nick Carlton's dead. 425 00:21:10,486 --> 00:21:11,487 [Matt] Mrs. Gaines... 426 00:21:13,576 --> 00:21:16,536 I am arresting you on the murder of Nicholas Carlton. 427 00:21:16,579 --> 00:21:17,841 You do not have to say anything... 428 00:21:19,495 --> 00:21:20,888 -Are you serious? -[Matt] ...but it may harm 429 00:21:20,931 --> 00:21:22,585 your defense if you do not mention when questioned 430 00:21:22,629 --> 00:21:24,500 something that you later rely on in court. 431 00:21:25,371 --> 00:21:26,459 Anything you do say... 432 00:21:27,373 --> 00:21:28,548 may be given in evidence. 433 00:21:33,466 --> 00:21:34,815 He killed my little girl. 434 00:21:51,832 --> 00:21:53,312 [James] How the hell did this happen? 435 00:21:53,834 --> 00:21:55,314 [Alesha] It was over in a flash. 436 00:21:55,705 --> 00:21:57,316 Where were the Family Liaison Officers? 437 00:21:58,055 --> 00:22:00,101 No-one knew that she'd react like that. 438 00:22:00,493 --> 00:22:02,451 We can't have every victim of crime 439 00:22:02,495 --> 00:22:03,931 taking the law into their own hands. 440 00:22:03,974 --> 00:22:06,803 With every van banger in the country cheering them on. 441 00:22:06,847 --> 00:22:08,805 They're saying that she deserves an OBE. 442 00:22:08,849 --> 00:22:10,154 Well, it doesn't take much effort 443 00:22:10,198 --> 00:22:11,068 to put yourself in her shoes. 444 00:22:12,331 --> 00:22:14,811 Yeah, maybe not, but it can't justify murder. 445 00:22:16,770 --> 00:22:18,337 You wanna try her for murder? 446 00:22:19,686 --> 00:22:20,687 Of course. 447 00:22:22,123 --> 00:22:24,473 What if the next grieving mum gets herself a gun? 448 00:22:24,517 --> 00:22:25,648 But any jury will see 449 00:22:25,692 --> 00:22:26,954 that she's out of her mind with grief. 450 00:22:26,997 --> 00:22:29,870 No, no, no, she took a knife to the Old Bailey. 451 00:22:29,913 --> 00:22:31,001 The whole thing was caught on camera. 452 00:22:31,045 --> 00:22:32,046 Even so-- 453 00:22:32,089 --> 00:22:33,482 Look, we're backed into a corner. 454 00:22:33,526 --> 00:22:36,006 I know it's tough, but we have to prosecute. 455 00:22:36,050 --> 00:22:37,660 Except your jury will be wishing 456 00:22:37,704 --> 00:22:39,358 that they'd stabbed him themselves. 457 00:22:42,883 --> 00:22:44,928 I don't want a big messy trial. 458 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:47,888 Talk to the barrister. 459 00:22:48,628 --> 00:22:49,542 Make a deal. 460 00:22:50,847 --> 00:22:51,935 [Beatrice] My client won't serve a day for this. 461 00:22:52,545 --> 00:22:54,373 Murder has a minimum tariff, Bea. 462 00:22:54,764 --> 00:22:56,549 Even you can't magic that away. 463 00:22:56,592 --> 00:22:57,898 Yeah, well, as soon as the jury 464 00:22:57,941 --> 00:22:59,508 get a look at Nick Carlton's record 465 00:22:59,552 --> 00:23:01,684 they'll be lining up to shake Kayleigh's hand. 466 00:23:02,555 --> 00:23:04,861 If they ignore the fact that she stuck a knife in his chest. 467 00:23:04,905 --> 00:23:08,517 The only fact that matters is that Jodie Gaines is dead 468 00:23:08,561 --> 00:23:10,127 because the criminal justice system failed 469 00:23:10,171 --> 00:23:11,955 to put scum like Nick Carlton behind bars. 470 00:23:11,999 --> 00:23:13,479 Now thanks to Kayleigh Gaines, 471 00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:15,829 Mr Carlton's crime spree is over. 472 00:23:16,264 --> 00:23:18,745 -For good. -It wasn't up to her to end it. 473 00:23:30,670 --> 00:23:32,106 I'm so sorry. 474 00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:33,586 Please, would you leave the talking to me Mrs. Gaines? 475 00:23:33,629 --> 00:23:35,718 [Kayleigh] All I could see in my head was Jodie, 476 00:23:36,153 --> 00:23:38,765 -dumped in that skip. -[Beatrice] Please, Mrs. Gaines. 477 00:23:39,722 --> 00:23:42,203 I kept thinking about her last minutes alive. 478 00:23:43,509 --> 00:23:44,988 -Where he kept her. -Please. 479 00:23:45,511 --> 00:23:46,947 [Kayleigh] What he done to her. 480 00:23:50,124 --> 00:23:51,865 How scared she must have been. 481 00:23:54,781 --> 00:23:57,044 I understand why you did it. 482 00:23:58,132 --> 00:23:59,568 -But you killed a man. -Yeah he was-- 483 00:23:59,612 --> 00:24:00,961 -[James] We can't just-- -he was a monster. 484 00:24:03,703 --> 00:24:05,182 [Kayleigh] If he killed your little girl... 485 00:24:07,620 --> 00:24:09,143 tell me you wouldn't feel the same. 486 00:24:16,542 --> 00:24:17,543 I'm sorry. 487 00:24:18,282 --> 00:24:19,806 We're charging murder. 488 00:24:24,898 --> 00:24:26,116 You know, I've always found 489 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,989 your inflexibility truly irritating, James. 490 00:24:29,250 --> 00:24:30,730 Then please don't let me keep you. 491 00:24:31,861 --> 00:24:33,559 Manslaughter provocation, have we got ourselves a deal? 492 00:24:33,907 --> 00:24:35,909 This was a straight up revenge killing, Bea. 493 00:24:36,170 --> 00:24:38,651 -You know it. -You think she wasn't provoked? 494 00:24:39,216 --> 00:24:41,567 He kidnapped and murdered her only child. 495 00:24:41,610 --> 00:24:42,959 No, that hadn't been proved. 496 00:24:43,003 --> 00:24:44,700 Nick Carlton died an innocent man. 497 00:24:44,744 --> 00:24:46,615 Well, why don't you tell that to the jury? 498 00:24:46,659 --> 00:24:49,183 We are on the side of the angels, James. 499 00:24:49,749 --> 00:24:51,664 You force murder trial and you're the one 500 00:24:51,707 --> 00:24:53,274 who's gonna end up with egg on his face. 501 00:25:00,934 --> 00:25:02,196 [Alesha] You shouldn't let her get to you. 502 00:25:02,239 --> 00:25:03,980 -[James] I don't. -[Alesha] Really? 503 00:25:04,024 --> 00:25:07,070 -George said to make a deal. -Kayleigh Gaines should do time. 504 00:25:07,593 --> 00:25:09,551 Manslaughter provocation carries a custodial. 505 00:25:09,595 --> 00:25:10,944 She could get 12 years. 506 00:25:10,987 --> 00:25:12,728 -Or as little as 12 months. -Isn't that enough? 507 00:25:12,772 --> 00:25:14,295 She lost a child, James. 508 00:25:14,338 --> 00:25:15,905 It doesn't change the fact that she killed Nick Carlton. 509 00:25:15,949 --> 00:25:18,038 -What if he was innocent? -She believed he was guilty. 510 00:25:18,081 --> 00:25:19,605 [James] Totally irrelevant. Kayleigh Gaines 511 00:25:19,648 --> 00:25:21,694 will get a fair trial, the chance of rehabilitation. 512 00:25:21,737 --> 00:25:23,173 Nick Carlton deserved the same. 513 00:25:23,870 --> 00:25:26,525 All I'm asking is that we show a little mercy. 514 00:25:29,832 --> 00:25:31,878 It isn't up to us to show mercy, Alesha. 515 00:25:33,053 --> 00:25:34,097 So, what do we do? 516 00:25:35,577 --> 00:25:38,145 We do what she should have done. We let a jury decide. 517 00:25:40,930 --> 00:25:43,063 Did you see the tabloids this morning? 518 00:25:44,107 --> 00:25:45,587 They're giving out pull out posters 519 00:25:45,631 --> 00:25:46,980 to put in your window. 520 00:25:48,198 --> 00:25:49,243 "Kayleigh's our hero." 521 00:25:50,505 --> 00:25:51,898 Yeah, I can undress myself. Thank you, Bea. 522 00:25:53,639 --> 00:25:54,683 You'll never win. 523 00:25:55,249 --> 00:25:56,903 The whole nation's on her side. 524 00:25:57,817 --> 00:25:58,992 I'll take my chances. 525 00:25:59,035 --> 00:26:01,037 [Beatrice] It's not too late, you know. 526 00:26:01,081 --> 00:26:03,039 You just say those two little words 527 00:26:03,083 --> 00:26:05,694 and the trial just disappears just like that. 528 00:26:07,304 --> 00:26:09,306 Manslaughter provocation. 529 00:26:11,787 --> 00:26:13,920 The charge is murder. 530 00:26:14,398 --> 00:26:15,574 Oh, come on. 531 00:26:16,618 --> 00:26:18,664 What's a little provocation between friends? 532 00:26:21,971 --> 00:26:23,059 Gloves off, then. 533 00:26:26,106 --> 00:26:27,760 [Mrs. Carlton] Nick was my only child. 534 00:26:28,935 --> 00:26:32,329 After my husband passed away, Nick looked after me. 535 00:26:33,113 --> 00:26:35,942 Your son had convictions for violence, didn't he? 536 00:26:36,333 --> 00:26:38,684 [Mrs. Carlton] I never said he was a saint. 537 00:26:39,293 --> 00:26:41,861 If he had anything to do with that little girl's death, 538 00:26:41,904 --> 00:26:44,254 then he should've gone to prison, no question. 539 00:26:45,821 --> 00:26:47,214 I could've lived with that. 540 00:26:49,303 --> 00:26:50,304 But this... 541 00:26:53,437 --> 00:26:56,005 who gave you the right to play God? 542 00:26:56,049 --> 00:26:59,095 Mrs. Carlton, just answer Counsel's questions, please. 543 00:27:02,708 --> 00:27:04,927 Her little girl's dead, and I'm sorry. 544 00:27:08,148 --> 00:27:10,716 But who was she to kill my son? 545 00:27:16,199 --> 00:27:18,332 He was my baby. 546 00:27:22,379 --> 00:27:23,642 [Beatrice] After your divorce, 547 00:27:23,685 --> 00:27:26,732 the family court gave you custody of Jodie. 548 00:27:27,515 --> 00:27:29,125 They said Kayleigh was unfit. 549 00:27:30,170 --> 00:27:31,127 Why was that? 550 00:27:31,737 --> 00:27:33,086 [Lennie] When she had Jodie... 551 00:27:33,390 --> 00:27:35,349 the anesthetist botched the epidural. 552 00:27:37,351 --> 00:27:39,092 Messed up a nerve in her back. 553 00:27:40,746 --> 00:27:42,051 GP gave her painkillers. 554 00:27:43,749 --> 00:27:45,794 But Kayleigh had a problem getting off them. 555 00:27:46,229 --> 00:27:49,145 Is it right Kayleigh was born addicted to crack cocaine? 556 00:27:51,104 --> 00:27:52,018 Yeah. 557 00:27:53,497 --> 00:27:54,934 [Beatrice] And we heard from our expert witness earlier 558 00:27:54,977 --> 00:27:57,719 that crack babies have a predisposition to addictions. 559 00:27:57,763 --> 00:27:59,155 So it must have been no surprise 560 00:27:59,199 --> 00:28:02,376 when Kayleigh became addicted to the painkillers. 561 00:28:03,029 --> 00:28:04,465 She was addicted within weeks. 562 00:28:07,207 --> 00:28:08,774 But she got off 'em. 563 00:28:08,817 --> 00:28:11,907 [Beatrice] After her recovery, what sort of mother was she? 564 00:28:14,301 --> 00:28:15,215 Good one. 565 00:28:18,958 --> 00:28:19,872 Loving one. 566 00:28:22,048 --> 00:28:23,266 [Beatrice] No further questions. 567 00:28:28,271 --> 00:28:31,840 Having gained custody of Jodie seven years ago... 568 00:28:32,885 --> 00:28:35,235 you've been her sole carer, haven't you? 569 00:28:35,801 --> 00:28:37,150 -That's right. -[James] So surely... 570 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,850 you're the one who must feel the loss of Jodie most acutely. 571 00:28:42,416 --> 00:28:44,244 You're the one who must feel most... 572 00:28:45,985 --> 00:28:46,899 provoked. 573 00:28:48,814 --> 00:28:50,903 -Yeah, I suppose so. -[James] And yet... 574 00:28:51,555 --> 00:28:53,906 you didn't feel like killing Mr Carlton. 575 00:28:56,299 --> 00:28:57,736 I'm not a violent man. 576 00:28:58,867 --> 00:29:00,216 I couldn't do something like that. 577 00:29:00,260 --> 00:29:01,304 [James] No, you couldn't. 578 00:29:02,915 --> 00:29:05,352 Provoked or not, no normal, decent person could, could they? 579 00:29:05,395 --> 00:29:08,572 Is my learned friend making a speech already, M'Lord? 580 00:29:08,616 --> 00:29:12,185 Mr Steel, plenty of time for speeches later. 581 00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:26,416 [George] On count one, the murder of Nicholas Carlton, 582 00:29:26,460 --> 00:29:29,506 do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty? 583 00:29:30,638 --> 00:29:31,770 Not guilty. 584 00:29:33,032 --> 00:29:34,033 [George] On count two... 585 00:29:35,208 --> 00:29:37,297 the manslaughter of Nicholas Carlton, 586 00:29:37,558 --> 00:29:40,343 do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty? 587 00:29:43,259 --> 00:29:44,173 Guilty. 588 00:29:56,142 --> 00:29:58,144 [Judge DeMarco] A man lost his life. 589 00:29:59,493 --> 00:30:01,582 He may indeed have been responsible 590 00:30:01,625 --> 00:30:03,497 for the death of Mrs. Gaines' daughter. 591 00:30:04,890 --> 00:30:06,543 But it is not one person's right 592 00:30:06,587 --> 00:30:08,415 to end the life of another. 593 00:30:11,548 --> 00:30:13,594 This offence is clearly so serious... 594 00:30:14,334 --> 00:30:15,944 only custody is appropriate. 595 00:30:17,641 --> 00:30:20,514 The sentence I pass is one of 12 months in prison. 596 00:30:26,259 --> 00:30:27,260 Mrs. Gaines. 597 00:30:29,262 --> 00:30:31,220 No doubt the real punishment for you 598 00:30:31,264 --> 00:30:33,266 is to bear the loss of your daughter. 599 00:30:36,182 --> 00:30:37,574 You have my deepest sympathy. 600 00:30:40,577 --> 00:30:43,145 The sentence is wholly suspended for two years. 601 00:31:01,076 --> 00:31:02,556 [James] He might as well have congratulated her 602 00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:04,036 on hitting a major artery. 603 00:31:05,689 --> 00:31:06,995 [George] Does that judge have any idea what he did in there? 604 00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:08,431 We go through all this, and for what? 605 00:31:08,954 --> 00:31:10,564 To hand a get-out-of-jail-free card 606 00:31:10,607 --> 00:31:13,219 to every knife-wielding maniac who cries provocation? 607 00:31:13,959 --> 00:31:14,960 Maybe not. 608 00:31:18,050 --> 00:31:18,964 [Ronnie] Alesha. 609 00:31:20,095 --> 00:31:21,705 Just to let you know. We found out, 610 00:31:21,749 --> 00:31:24,578 uh, Kayleigh Gaines was treated for heroin addiction last year. 611 00:31:25,231 --> 00:31:26,536 Well, maybe she went one step further 612 00:31:26,580 --> 00:31:28,321 when the GP called time on her pain killers. 613 00:31:28,364 --> 00:31:29,888 [Ronnie] Maybe, but it's not the what, 614 00:31:29,931 --> 00:31:32,325 it's the where. And it was at the Grovewood rehab Clinic. 615 00:31:32,368 --> 00:31:33,587 So she went to Grovewood. 616 00:31:34,457 --> 00:31:36,068 The trial's over. What does it matter? 617 00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:38,026 Well, she had company. 618 00:31:38,070 --> 00:31:39,723 Nick Carlton's boss, Farris Andreou, 619 00:31:39,767 --> 00:31:41,464 also dried out at the Grovewood. 620 00:31:45,425 --> 00:31:47,688 [Lena] Kayleigh Gaines and Farris Andreou 621 00:31:47,731 --> 00:31:49,995 both went through rehab last year. 622 00:31:50,996 --> 00:31:52,388 Kayleigh was NHS funded. 623 00:31:53,128 --> 00:31:54,390 [Alesha] So Farris Andreou knew 624 00:31:54,434 --> 00:31:55,914 that Kayleigh Gaines had a daughter. 625 00:31:56,349 --> 00:31:58,264 Whatever he knew about her personal life 626 00:31:58,307 --> 00:32:00,135 didn't need to come from the sessions. 627 00:32:00,614 --> 00:32:01,615 They had an affair. 628 00:32:02,442 --> 00:32:04,096 They broke a cardinal rule. 629 00:32:05,010 --> 00:32:06,228 We asked them to leave. 630 00:32:08,404 --> 00:32:10,929 She had to know Andreou was Nick Carlton's boss. 631 00:32:12,408 --> 00:32:14,062 Do you think all three of them were involved? 632 00:32:15,150 --> 00:32:16,673 Be a hell of a coincidence if they weren't. 633 00:32:17,457 --> 00:32:18,545 Why else hide it? 634 00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:24,072 The Italian doctor had the hots for me. 635 00:32:24,116 --> 00:32:25,595 I knocked her back. She got it in her head 636 00:32:25,639 --> 00:32:26,988 I was getting it on with Kayleigh. 637 00:32:27,032 --> 00:32:29,121 [Ronnie] Who you forgot to mention that you knew. 638 00:32:30,165 --> 00:32:31,210 We know you've been inside. 639 00:32:33,038 --> 00:32:34,996 Yeah, for tax evasion, like white collar stuff. 640 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:36,128 And is that where you met 641 00:32:36,171 --> 00:32:37,738 Nick Carlton? When you was in prison? 642 00:32:37,781 --> 00:32:39,479 [Farris] We were pad mates, till he pissed the screws off 643 00:32:39,522 --> 00:32:40,784 and got ghosted out to Ashbridge. 644 00:32:40,828 --> 00:32:42,047 [Ronnie] And after that, what? 645 00:32:42,090 --> 00:32:43,700 You became pen pals then, did you? 646 00:32:43,744 --> 00:32:45,050 [Farris] He came knocking on my door looking for a job, 647 00:32:45,093 --> 00:32:46,790 I felt sorry for him. 648 00:32:46,834 --> 00:32:49,489 [Ronnie] And you often employ convicted rapists, do you? 649 00:32:50,794 --> 00:32:51,970 What are you talking about? 650 00:32:53,014 --> 00:32:54,189 [Matt] The young woman Nick Carlton raped. 651 00:32:55,756 --> 00:32:57,323 She woke up and found him sitting on the end of her bed. 652 00:32:57,366 --> 00:32:58,280 [Farris] No. 653 00:32:59,586 --> 00:33:01,153 -He wouldn't. -[Matt] He did. 654 00:33:01,849 --> 00:33:03,155 He tied her up. 655 00:33:03,416 --> 00:33:04,634 He gagged her, would you believe, 656 00:33:04,678 --> 00:33:06,114 just to stop her screaming 657 00:33:06,158 --> 00:33:07,768 so her flat mates wouldn't hear and then he raped her. 658 00:33:11,641 --> 00:33:13,252 Carlton was in for fraud. 659 00:33:13,295 --> 00:33:15,080 He swindled some insurance company. 660 00:33:15,123 --> 00:33:16,342 Well, if you bought that story, 661 00:33:16,385 --> 00:33:18,387 the only bum being swindled, Farris, was you. 662 00:33:18,431 --> 00:33:20,346 He'd've been on the rule, wouldn't he, the nonces wing? 663 00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:22,000 [Ronnie] Well, maybe he had friends. 664 00:33:22,609 --> 00:33:24,567 Friends like you, just turn a blind eye. 665 00:33:24,611 --> 00:33:27,440 No, you have to believe me. I-- if I'd known he raped anyone, 666 00:33:27,483 --> 00:33:29,485 I wouldn't have given him the time of day let alone a job. 667 00:33:29,529 --> 00:33:31,139 You're facing quite a few charges here, Farris. 668 00:33:31,183 --> 00:33:32,532 Look, I didn't know he was a nonce, 669 00:33:32,575 --> 00:33:34,012 -you've gotta believe me. -[Matt] There's kidnap, 670 00:33:34,055 --> 00:33:36,492 conspiracy to murder, perverting the course of justice. 671 00:33:39,539 --> 00:33:41,541 "To thine own self be true, 672 00:33:41,584 --> 00:33:44,631 and it must follow, as the night, the day... 673 00:33:46,328 --> 00:33:49,331 thou canst not then be false to any man." 674 00:33:50,854 --> 00:33:52,030 I mean that quote from Hamlet 675 00:33:52,073 --> 00:33:52,813 gets us through another day, doesn't it? 676 00:33:54,249 --> 00:33:57,035 We be honest with ourselves, and we can stay sober. 677 00:33:58,558 --> 00:34:01,169 Gotta be honest with others too. Haven't you, Farris? 678 00:34:02,910 --> 00:34:04,564 Only then are we truly healed. 679 00:34:07,219 --> 00:34:09,525 So... what have you and Kayleigh Gaines 680 00:34:09,569 --> 00:34:10,831 been hiding from us? 681 00:34:16,706 --> 00:34:17,707 I owed her. 682 00:34:20,536 --> 00:34:22,234 They kicked her out of rehab because of me. 683 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,717 But I only gave her Nick Carlton's phone number. 684 00:34:28,414 --> 00:34:30,851 I swear to God, that is all I did. 685 00:34:31,678 --> 00:34:33,201 Okay, for the tape, 686 00:34:33,245 --> 00:34:35,769 Farris Andreou, who did you give 687 00:34:35,812 --> 00:34:37,423 Nick Carlton's telephone number to? 688 00:34:41,731 --> 00:34:42,645 Kayleigh. 689 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:45,561 It was all Kayleigh. 690 00:34:47,259 --> 00:34:48,738 [Farris] She said she wanted Nick Carlton 691 00:34:48,782 --> 00:34:50,392 to do something for her. 692 00:34:51,959 --> 00:34:55,093 Could she have hired Carlton to snatch Jodie? 693 00:34:55,963 --> 00:34:57,095 Why would she? 694 00:34:58,487 --> 00:34:59,793 [Matt] Kayleigh... be straight with us. 695 00:35:00,663 --> 00:35:01,621 [Kayleigh] Me and Farris? 696 00:35:04,624 --> 00:35:06,365 It was just a fling. 697 00:35:07,366 --> 00:35:10,630 He reckons you and Nick Carlton were in it together. 698 00:35:11,631 --> 00:35:12,675 What? 699 00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:15,635 Why-- why would he say that? 700 00:35:18,333 --> 00:35:19,291 He's lying. 701 00:35:23,686 --> 00:35:25,514 Why is he doing this to me? 702 00:35:25,775 --> 00:35:27,255 [Matt] Farris reckons that you were trying 703 00:35:27,299 --> 00:35:28,474 to get back at Lennie... 704 00:35:29,475 --> 00:35:31,303 'cause he wouldn't let you see Jodie. 705 00:35:31,564 --> 00:35:32,565 We get on. 706 00:35:33,348 --> 00:35:35,481 -Me and Lennie-- -[Ronnie] Kayleigh. 707 00:35:38,223 --> 00:35:39,572 How can you even think... 708 00:35:44,664 --> 00:35:45,839 What mum... 709 00:35:46,709 --> 00:35:49,190 could do that to her own kid? 710 00:35:50,713 --> 00:35:52,324 Do you think she's telling the truth? 711 00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:56,893 What do you think? Could it be an act? 712 00:35:59,244 --> 00:36:00,680 [Ronnie] Honestly, I don't know. 713 00:36:02,247 --> 00:36:03,161 [Alesha] So, what now? 714 00:36:04,466 --> 00:36:05,815 You wanna know if someone's telling the truth, 715 00:36:05,859 --> 00:36:08,166 you talk to the person who knows them best. 716 00:36:10,951 --> 00:36:13,606 Do you... really think... 717 00:36:14,607 --> 00:36:15,869 Kayleigh did this? 718 00:36:20,352 --> 00:36:21,353 I'm sorry. 719 00:36:22,919 --> 00:36:24,269 I can't take this in. 720 00:36:25,879 --> 00:36:27,185 [James] At the trial... 721 00:36:28,577 --> 00:36:30,536 you swore she was a good mother. 722 00:36:34,540 --> 00:36:35,845 She was hurting enough. 723 00:36:38,370 --> 00:36:40,589 Just said what her barrister told me to say. 724 00:36:43,549 --> 00:36:45,855 What didn't you say, Lennie? 725 00:36:48,336 --> 00:36:49,381 There was this time... 726 00:36:50,773 --> 00:36:53,211 she was late bringing Jodie back. 12 hours late. 727 00:36:53,733 --> 00:36:55,909 Kayleigh had taken her down to Hastings. 728 00:36:56,301 --> 00:36:59,565 Locked her up in some hole of a B&B and gone off to... 729 00:37:02,481 --> 00:37:03,395 to score. 730 00:37:05,353 --> 00:37:08,269 -She was using again. -Jodie was terrified. 731 00:37:08,922 --> 00:37:11,620 She said it was like Mummy was asleep with her eyes open. 732 00:37:12,534 --> 00:37:13,796 So I stopped the visits. 733 00:37:16,756 --> 00:37:18,366 You should have told the police. 734 00:37:19,498 --> 00:37:20,412 I know. 735 00:37:25,025 --> 00:37:28,246 Please, God, tell me she's not involved. 736 00:37:28,594 --> 00:37:30,378 Now I saw these interviews. 737 00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:33,338 The appeal. She was shaking with grief. 738 00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:35,644 [James] It wasn't grief. 739 00:37:36,515 --> 00:37:37,516 It was withdrawal. 740 00:37:39,126 --> 00:37:40,867 But why would she stop using just when she needed it most? 741 00:37:40,910 --> 00:37:42,434 The stress must have been enormous. 742 00:37:42,477 --> 00:37:43,696 [George] She wouldn't have any choice. 743 00:37:44,087 --> 00:37:46,089 The minute Jodie was reported missing, 744 00:37:46,133 --> 00:37:49,310 she had Family Liaison Officers with her day and night. 745 00:37:49,354 --> 00:37:50,790 Oh, why didn't we see it? 746 00:37:50,833 --> 00:37:53,575 The thing about addicts is they make very good liars. 747 00:37:53,619 --> 00:37:55,403 So the police knew it was someone close. 748 00:37:55,447 --> 00:37:57,927 -They just got the wrong parent. -The question is, why? 749 00:37:59,059 --> 00:38:00,930 What could possibly drive her 750 00:38:00,974 --> 00:38:02,976 to have her own daughter kidnapped? 751 00:38:03,019 --> 00:38:03,933 [Ronnie] Kayleigh. 752 00:38:07,633 --> 00:38:10,331 That mobile phone was found in your flat. 753 00:38:10,375 --> 00:38:13,073 Hidden inside a resealed milk carton. 754 00:38:13,116 --> 00:38:15,771 The phone is registered to a Mrs. Gemma Miller. 755 00:38:15,815 --> 00:38:17,686 Now we've been in touch with Mrs. Miller 756 00:38:17,730 --> 00:38:19,732 and she confirms that she sold the phone 757 00:38:19,775 --> 00:38:22,561 via an online auction site to a Kayleigh Gaines. 758 00:38:23,997 --> 00:38:24,998 This... 759 00:38:27,087 --> 00:38:30,786 is a record of the call traffic between that mobile phone 760 00:38:30,830 --> 00:38:31,831 and Nick Carlton's. 761 00:38:33,049 --> 00:38:34,877 We also know you were texting each other 762 00:38:34,921 --> 00:38:38,359 like a couple of teenagers the week Jodie went missing. 763 00:38:39,012 --> 00:38:40,796 Well, I did buy that phone, yeah, 764 00:38:41,057 --> 00:38:43,495 but it was nicked the day I got it. 765 00:38:43,930 --> 00:38:46,062 Maybe Farris took it. I was thinking-- 766 00:38:46,498 --> 00:38:48,021 Farris and Nick Carlton, 767 00:38:48,064 --> 00:38:49,544 maybe they was in on it together. 768 00:38:49,588 --> 00:38:50,850 The problem here, Kayleigh... 769 00:38:51,807 --> 00:38:54,462 is that we can tell the location of the calls 770 00:38:54,506 --> 00:38:56,377 as well as the phone they came from. 771 00:38:56,421 --> 00:38:58,901 The calls from your phone came... 772 00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:01,513 from your flat. 773 00:39:06,518 --> 00:39:09,956 So, you see, Kayleigh, we know you're involved. 774 00:39:16,441 --> 00:39:18,138 -Kayleigh? -All right. 775 00:39:35,547 --> 00:39:37,113 He was only supposed to hide her. 776 00:40:01,790 --> 00:40:03,575 [James] Kayleigh hired a sex offender 777 00:40:03,618 --> 00:40:04,793 to snatch Jodie off the street 778 00:40:04,837 --> 00:40:06,447 and keep her hidden for six days. 779 00:40:06,839 --> 00:40:08,710 That's kidnap, false imprisonment, 780 00:40:08,754 --> 00:40:10,190 and the child cruelty involved 781 00:40:10,233 --> 00:40:12,018 makes it unlawful act manslaughter. 782 00:40:12,061 --> 00:40:13,236 Well, hang on though. 783 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,238 Jodie died as a result of being gagged. 784 00:40:15,282 --> 00:40:17,850 Are we saying that Kayleigh knew Carlton would gag Jodie? 785 00:40:17,893 --> 00:40:19,895 You can add perverting the course of justice 786 00:40:19,939 --> 00:40:22,028 to that list 'cause the woman is a born liar. 787 00:40:22,594 --> 00:40:24,247 So we charge her with all four offences. 788 00:40:24,291 --> 00:40:26,728 Yes, but if you do... we do it right. 789 00:40:27,512 --> 00:40:29,035 She will change her story ten times 790 00:40:29,078 --> 00:40:30,645 before she gets into that witness box, 791 00:40:30,689 --> 00:40:32,734 so you need to corroborate these witnesses. 792 00:40:35,607 --> 00:40:37,913 [Alesha] Mrs. Carlton, the police are going to charge you 793 00:40:37,957 --> 00:40:40,002 -with assisting an offender. -[Mrs. Carlton] Oh... 794 00:40:41,047 --> 00:40:41,961 that's rich. 795 00:40:43,876 --> 00:40:45,965 Lock me up, a pensioner. 796 00:40:46,879 --> 00:40:50,143 While that murdering bitch walks around free as you like. 797 00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:52,145 Did your son-- 798 00:40:52,624 --> 00:40:54,669 did he tell you why Kayleigh Gaines 799 00:40:54,713 --> 00:40:55,844 wanted Jodie kidnapped? 800 00:41:04,636 --> 00:41:06,725 The more you can tell us about her involvement... 801 00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:10,119 the greater chance we have of putting her behind bars. 802 00:41:12,078 --> 00:41:14,646 If Nick... said anything. 803 00:41:18,214 --> 00:41:19,912 After the girl got sick... 804 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,132 Nick said he called Mrs. Gaines. 805 00:41:24,133 --> 00:41:26,005 Told her that they needed a doctor. 806 00:41:28,094 --> 00:41:31,271 He wanted to take her himself, but she, Mrs. Gaines, 807 00:41:31,314 --> 00:41:32,620 she said no. 808 00:41:34,361 --> 00:41:38,191 Said they'd both get sent down, if anyone found out. 809 00:41:39,105 --> 00:41:41,063 Nick told Mrs. Gaines that the girl 810 00:41:41,107 --> 00:41:43,762 was crying and making a lot of noise. 811 00:41:46,808 --> 00:41:47,809 She said... 812 00:41:49,724 --> 00:41:51,030 "Tape her mouth up. 813 00:41:52,248 --> 00:41:53,511 Stop her whining." 814 00:41:58,690 --> 00:42:00,169 [Kayleigh] It was only meant to be a week. 815 00:42:01,693 --> 00:42:02,868 Fortnight, tops. 816 00:42:03,912 --> 00:42:05,740 [James] You were prepared... 817 00:42:05,784 --> 00:42:08,700 to let a total stranger look after Jodie for two weeks? 818 00:42:09,614 --> 00:42:10,789 It was a nice flat. 819 00:42:12,268 --> 00:42:14,923 She had everything she needed. Telly, Xbox, the lot. 820 00:42:16,795 --> 00:42:18,013 Nick Carlton 821 00:42:18,057 --> 00:42:20,233 was a convicted rapist, wasn't he? 822 00:42:20,712 --> 00:42:22,191 Yeah, but he never touched her, did he? 823 00:42:22,801 --> 00:42:25,673 The police said she weren't abused. 824 00:42:26,631 --> 00:42:30,243 You stabbed Nick Carlton to cover up your involvement, 825 00:42:30,286 --> 00:42:31,244 didn't you? 826 00:42:32,506 --> 00:42:34,073 Stabbed him 'cause he killed my little girl. 827 00:42:35,248 --> 00:42:36,858 Papers called me a hero. 828 00:42:40,645 --> 00:42:41,950 I'm still the same person. 829 00:42:43,256 --> 00:42:46,302 Yes. Yes, you are. 830 00:42:51,656 --> 00:42:54,659 Why did you get Nick Carlton to kidnap Jodie? 831 00:42:57,749 --> 00:42:58,750 It was Farris. 832 00:43:00,055 --> 00:43:01,013 It was his idea. 833 00:43:03,798 --> 00:43:05,104 When a kid goes missing, 834 00:43:05,757 --> 00:43:07,585 the papers wanna talk to the mum, don't they? 835 00:43:09,195 --> 00:43:10,196 Farris said, 836 00:43:11,806 --> 00:43:14,287 "If there was a happy ending, papers would pay a fortune." 837 00:43:16,463 --> 00:43:18,073 You put Jodie's life at risk, 838 00:43:18,117 --> 00:43:19,379 just so you could sell your story? 839 00:43:21,163 --> 00:43:22,643 I didn't know he'd kill her, did I? 840 00:43:23,862 --> 00:43:26,081 Kayleigh, make me understand why you would risk her life. 841 00:43:26,125 --> 00:43:28,040 What did you need the money for? 842 00:43:40,966 --> 00:43:42,837 I wanted to be a proper mum. 843 00:43:48,103 --> 00:43:49,801 The kind I never had. 844 00:43:58,461 --> 00:44:00,855 She grew inside me, all safe. 845 00:44:01,943 --> 00:44:02,944 And then... 846 00:44:04,163 --> 00:44:06,121 the minute she was born, it all went wrong. 847 00:44:11,387 --> 00:44:13,912 Lennie just took her away from me. 848 00:44:15,087 --> 00:44:17,263 He just... took over. 849 00:44:23,399 --> 00:44:26,402 I kept trying to find my way back, but I couldn't. 850 00:44:35,063 --> 00:44:36,412 I needed the money... 851 00:44:37,849 --> 00:44:39,067 to pay for rehab. 852 00:44:41,069 --> 00:44:42,680 I was all booked in. I... 853 00:44:43,811 --> 00:44:45,030 I was gonna get clean... 854 00:44:45,900 --> 00:44:47,685 so I could be with Jodie again. 855 00:44:48,381 --> 00:44:51,340 Then why didn't you do it the right way, the normal way? 856 00:44:51,384 --> 00:44:53,125 Get clean, and then prove yourself 857 00:44:53,168 --> 00:44:55,127 -to the courts? -Well, how? 858 00:44:56,302 --> 00:44:58,391 The NHS wouldn't fund me twice. 859 00:44:59,435 --> 00:45:00,698 I begged for help. 860 00:45:01,046 --> 00:45:03,178 I screamed and shouted for it. 861 00:45:03,222 --> 00:45:04,702 But nobody listened. 862 00:45:05,180 --> 00:45:07,313 Because people like you, 863 00:45:08,140 --> 00:45:09,141 like her... 864 00:45:11,970 --> 00:45:14,059 all of you, you don't see me. 865 00:45:20,195 --> 00:45:23,372 I'm that bit of shit on the pavement you step around, 866 00:45:23,416 --> 00:45:25,200 so you don't mess up your shoes. 867 00:45:28,203 --> 00:45:31,032 I was gonna get clean and take her away 868 00:45:31,598 --> 00:45:34,340 We were going to Ibiza. Me and Jodie. 869 00:45:34,949 --> 00:45:38,083 Far away from London and Lennie. And the drugs. 870 00:45:39,301 --> 00:45:42,740 So we could be together. So I could be her mum again. 871 00:45:43,044 --> 00:45:45,220 You were going to take that little girl away 872 00:45:45,264 --> 00:45:47,440 from the only loving parent she knew? 873 00:45:47,483 --> 00:45:48,876 I loved her more than he did. 874 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,791 You didn't think twice about the trauma 875 00:45:50,835 --> 00:45:52,184 of being snatched off the street 876 00:45:52,227 --> 00:45:54,229 -by a total stranger. -No, it wasn't like that. 877 00:45:54,273 --> 00:45:56,405 You didn't lose a wink of sleep at the thought of Jodie, 878 00:45:56,449 --> 00:45:57,885 shoved in the back of a van, 879 00:45:57,929 --> 00:45:59,408 tied up, her mouth taped shut, did you? 880 00:45:59,452 --> 00:46:01,106 -No, you're wrong! -And all because you wanted 881 00:46:01,149 --> 00:46:02,934 to be a proper mum again. 882 00:46:08,461 --> 00:46:10,768 You don't deserve to be a mum. 883 00:46:59,294 --> 00:47:01,166 [woman] Shame on you! 884 00:47:01,949 --> 00:47:04,996 -[camera clicks] -[people shouting] 62762

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