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[Tom] O.J., it's Tom again. Can you to hear me?

Hey, hang on the line, I wanna talk to you.

Okay. I'm still here.

I'm just getting a little interference here.

You're going to break our hearts, don't do this.

That's okay. Listen,

there's nothing to be sorry about.

My name is Tom Lang.

I am a former LAPD homicide detective of 29 years.

[line trilling] Hello, O.J.? You still there?

He's thinking.

I've been involved in 250 different homicides.

One murder investigation still bothers me.

[Operator] 911 emergency.

[Nicole] Yeah. Can you send someone to my house?

[Operator] Oh, okay. Is he the sportscaster or whatever?

[Nicole] Yeah.

[Operator] Is he threatening you?

[Nicole] Please send somebody over.

[Tom] It's the double murder, that occurred

at 875 South Bundy.

[Operator] Is he black, white or Hispanic?

[Nicole] Black.

[Tom] I was the lead detective in that case.

The evidence led to one suspect and that was O.J. Simpson.

[Operator] He's back, okay, what does he look like?

[Nicole] He's O.J. Simpson. I think you know his record.

[Tom] The Hall of Fame, NFL football player and actor.

[Nicole] He just drove up again.

[Operator] What kind of car is he in?

[Nicole] He's in a white Bronco. But first of all,

he broke the back door down...

[Tom] In what has been referred to as the trial of the century.

O.J. was found not guilty of killing his ex-wife,

Nicole Brown Simpson, and her friend Ron Goldman.

- [Nicole] O.J. - [Operator] O.J.

Back then, we were gagged.

We couldn't talk to anybody, couldn't talk to the media,

couldn't discuss the case with anybody else.

Victims had their throat slashed.

I'm not gagged now.

All these years later, I could tell a story,

why it happened. The fact that it shouldn't have happened.

We've got the evidence to show it.

[Tom] Hang on the line. I want to talk to you.

- [O.J.] I'm here. - [Tom] Okay, I'm still here.

Just getting a little interference here.

Can you hear me? O.J.? He's gone again.

O.J., you there?

[O.J.] Uh...

[Tom] Get rid of the gun.

[O.J.] Uh...

[Tom] Nobody's going to get hurt.

Man to man, right?

Listen, you've been a man Listen, you've been a man a

Don't give in now.

[Reporter] And there are reports that blood stained clothes

a in Simpson's home.

[Man] We can't jump the gun.

We can't afford to make a mistake.

We are very meticulous in what we do.

You don't know the facts of the case.

This is where he parked the Bronco, the night of the murder.

A lot of things have changed

approaching Bundy where 875 used to be.

[Reporter] An L.A. homicide detective says

O.J. Simpson's arrest is imminent.

Simpson trial was held right here.

[Reporter] It began early on the morning of June 13th.

Neighbors discovered the bloody murder scene.

He's shocked. He's really grieving.

He's upset.

Mr. Simpson is a fugitive of justice.

I plead 100% not guilty.

This is a trial about the man that murdered my son.

[Woman] Is a trail of blood from [Woman] Is a trail of blood from B

and into the defendant's very bedroom

linked by the defendant's white Ford Bronco.

Get out of the way.

[Man] You think O.J. had a bag with the bloody clothes

- and the knife? - [Man] There!

Have you ever heard the term cover up?

[Reporter] Recognized around the world,

first for speed and athletic grace and now

for a grisly, gripping murder case.

[Tom] Mr. Simpson, you have the right to remain silent.

If you give up the right to remain silent,

anything you say can and will be used against you

in a court of law.

Do you understand your rights?

[Tom] Are there any questions about that?

[Tom] Okay. You going to speak up audibly.

[Tom] You can never have too much evidence in a murder case

period.

It's almost embarrassing to articulate.

But the prosecution withheld a lot of evidence

really pisses you off after a while.

There's good evidence. People don't realize that.

This was just after the Rodney King riots.

The officers in that trial were acquitted.

The LAPD in particular, was not particularly liked

by the populace of L.A..

Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.

[Tom] So the prosecution is a little, little too careful,

I think, not to put on a certain amount of evidence

brought by the LAPD.

Okay, I want people who watch this

to walk away with the truth.

I don't want them to have a comic book version of this case.

[O.J.] Is that I did not, could not, would not

have committed this crime.

I have four kids, kids I haven't seen in a year.

All you can do is all you can do.

[Reporter] Los Angeles homicide detective

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But hey, we've got witnesses. We've got experts.

They're going to tell this audience what happened for real,

they're not going to juice it.

My name is Michelle Kessler,

former employee of the Los Angeles Police Department.

I was involved in many high profile cases.

Hillside Strangler case, nude bodies were found

on the hilly slopes around the Hollywood...

ARamirez is a devil worshiper

And of course, the O.J. Simpson case.

I'm Alan Park, O.J. Simpson's limousine driver.

The night of June 12, 1994.

6' 200lbs, it just seems to be a pretty big female.

You wouldn't lie to me when I talk to you, would you?

My name is Rod Englert. I'm a crime scene reconstructionist.

Now, let me tell you, the shots that are fired, there's three.

He was convicted and is doing life in the penitentiary.

I've worked on some very high profile cases.

Robert Blake.

[Woman] We the jury find the defendant not guilty

of the crime of first degree murder of Bonny Lee Bakley.

I was retained in this particular case

to do a reconstruction of what did or didn't occur.

California versus O.J. Simpson.

Okay, get your knife. It's very important we start a time.

Just and it was sort of like, you know, someone said,

you're on the edge of your seat. I'm on the edge of my seat.

Listening of is he lying? This guy's lying, like... Yes.

[Reporter] As Clark stared down her own witness.

This isn't for entertainment as much as it is for education.

I'm not an actor. Okay?

I'm going to put this out. What really happened?

Number one, I'm tired of people lying and the media,

the lawyers.

This will clear all of that up. We're going to get to everything

that screwed this case up. What happened happened.

You don't buy it. You buy it.

It's still gonna tell you 2 and 2 is 4,

I'm not a salesman.

[Rod] This will be a reconstruction based upon

the physical evidence, the autopsy, the blood patterns,

trace evidence, and the patterns of blood on the clothing

and at the scene.

I was retained in this case to come in and do

a crime scene reconstruction

with emphasis on blood pattern analysis,

and to be able to put the pieces together.

This what appeared to be a large puzzle at the time.

[Nicole] He's going to beat the shit out of...

[Operator] Wait a minute, just stay on the line

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- Okay Nicole? - [Nicole] Uh-huh.

[Rod] So I have these props and props give one the ability

to be able to reconstruct based again solely upon the evidence.

There's no speculation here.

The attacker comes to the residence

and I want to put on the props.

[Tom] This is about the victims. That's where we're here.

That's our job. We gotta find out who did this.

I asked you to go back up to like you're pretending

to come out of your apartment.

And when the attacker gets to the residence,

gets a knife...

And as Nicole steps down, she is stabbed on the head

and she have contusions on her head.

And there are four stab wounds on the left side of her neck

that penetrate down to her heart.

She goes down on the ground with her head on the first step.

She's bleeding from the wounds on her left side,

making a pool of blood that not only is filling up

this particular area, but it's running down onto the sidewalk,

simultaneously to that as Ron walks up a witness hears,

Hey, hey, hey. He is stabbed on his left side,

which is a very fatal wound that starts bleeding

down his pant leg and they will stomp spreading the blood

that's projecting large and small stains onto the clothing.

They back up into this area, spattering blood

by stomping in the blood of Nicole that is now running

from her wounds. She's bleeding profusely.

I am backed up against her as the glove comes off

and as you pull it off, let it go down over to the left,

along with the glasses that drop.

[Tom] And every question that came up, he's answered

and he was never called. There's no reason for that,

except I have my own opinion on why he wasn't called.

If you want to hear that?

[Rod] During the struggle, I'm trying to get in your throat

and then you reach up and pull the hat off of my head.

It will fall there to our left hand side.

[Tom] This is the LAPD on trial.

This is the LAPD who've been accused of being racist,

of planting evidence and the jury, again,

they were being fed this by the prosecution.

Fine. But you can't put evidence on unless you put the person on

who found the evidence. You have to admit it

legally in a court of law, on the stand, under oath,

in court, you can't just come in and drop a piece of evidence,

and say, we want this, we want the jury to look at this.

The prosecutor, for better or worse,

did not want to appear to be in bed with the cops.

[Rod] You get the knife in while you're struggling,

cutting in the margins of the wound,

different planes creating what's called a swallowtail wound.

And as we go over to the area here, we're still fighting.

You will go around and then down on your buttocks,

your pager will pop off of your belt.

And as it comes off, you will also bleed on to this rail,

the bottom rail that we have here.

And I go back over to Nicole, cut from left to right,

capturing and cutting a large amount of hairs on to the knife

and then goes over to Ron Goldman.

There's two grab marks and blood on the back side of his shirt.

Grab Mark is consistent with pulling him over

because in the scene photograph, this shirt is pulled up

and then the attacker from right to left

will cut his throat also, as was done to Nicole.

The attacker will leave and go over to Nicole,

step on and put an impression of the Bruno Magli shoe

onto her right side below the arm,

and then continue and drop blood from cutting his own finger

when attacking Ron will drip blood to the left,

continue all the way back to the alley,

which is about 200 feet back.

There is so much evidence in this case, the only way

that the defense can work towards resolving it

in their favor is to just throwing dirt

to take the attention away from the case in chief.

O and the cover up continues.

[Tom] This is the only personal journal that exists

in this entire case.

It is currently in the Law Enforcement Museum

in Washington, DC.

This is personal. These are observations that I made,

people I had dealings with, and it's the case in my own words

and my own thoughts and my own deeds.

I'm using a rubber glove. It's human blood.

That is medium velocity spatter.

[Tom] Photographed here, we're very interested in

this blood droplet or cast off whatever you want to call it,

possibly from a wound you said or maybe a murder weapon.

We don't know. But we want this because it's out of place.

[Rod] But the thing that's significant, it shows up,

up here by the steps and it goes all the way back,

drops like that to the back gate,

which about 200 feet away to the alley.

[Tom] I made a specific request through the investigator

- to collect all of this blood. - You did say that.

Oh, I said that and she wrote it down.

Again everything goes sideways, sometimes at the worst times,

the coroner's investigator was off with a broken leg,

so they did not have a criminalist there.

So instead of somebody inquiring washed the body down.

Which can be the attackers blood.

Yeah, the donor could be the attacker.

[Tom] Yeah. And of course, the defense got all over us.

The real story behind this, however, just inches away,

we have a similar drop on the sole of the left boot.

Here it is right here, Ron Goldman.

- Okay. - We have this, is a droplet

- or a cast off tailing down. - And it's not disturbed.

- Blood's everywhere. - Yeah, but no some's fallen

in the air after these two are down and they're immobile.

So what would that be? Right.

The knife. Because they had knife wounds or like you said,

the attacker.

Thank God the coroner didn't get hold of that boot

and wash it down.

So we were able to get the blood off of the sole of the boot.

Take your eye off the ball or off the prize.

If you deviate from what you normally do,

you're going to screw it up.

Whose blood is on that droplet? It's a mixture.

Both victims is on that blood droplet.

Came from a common source to further corroborate,

we look at the same area here, indicating what appears to be

a footwear impression right here. See that?

Turns out that that is a footwear impression

from a pair of Bruno Magli shoes.

At this point, the FBI had identified the bloody footwear

impressions at the crime scene as being from Bruno Maglis,

but we couldn't at that point put Bruno Maglis

on Simpson's feet.

Dominic Brown is Nicole's younger sister,

so I met her for lunch and I said,

I've got six pictures I want to show you.

They're all of shoes, she goes right to the Bruno Maglis.

She says, O.J. has shoes like that.

So I'm thinking this is a little too good to be true.

So she says Nicole was back in New York in January

and she may have bought them for him at that time,

but I don't know for sure.

There she also bought some Bruno Maglis for herself.

She wore 'em for a while and just she didn't

really care for them, so she gave them to me.

So really, in fact, I'm wearing them.

She takes off for Bruno Maglis and puts them on the table.

That's pretty good stuff.

Why would you not want to have her testify to that in court?

And that never happened. It turns out that

the Bruno Maglis at the crime scene, were size 12.

His athletic shoes, by his own admission

that he was wearing were size 12 also.

If Simpson turns out, if he's a size 10,

that's exculpatory evidence, defense would use that.

And that's enough for a juror to say, well,

it couldn't have been him, this is different shoe size.

We've got nothing like that.

Wife beater, rapist, murderer.

[Reporter] There is enough evidence

to put Simpson on trial.

About two or three days after the murders occurred.

Defense attorneys at the time, Bob Shapiro.

Is it not 60? Is it 10,000?

[Tom] He came to our office at robbery homicide in his style

requested, suggested that he could perhaps help

our investigation along as a defense attorney

if he would provide us with a criminalist and a pathologist

to assist us with our investigation of the body

as evidence, but that is brassy,

so I guess we can't blame him for trying.

It didn't work that way.

Now, as we're sitting here doing the crime scene investigation,

this pager continually went off the entire night.

We find out coworkers at the Mezzaluna Restaurant

was trying to get a hold of him, that this was kind of eerie

listening to this. This is going on throughout the whole night.

We're doing the whole crime scene investigation,

but it turns out it was, in fact, his friend.

They wanted to go out drinking.

[Rod] Look at the blood that's on the small tree transfer.

He had to be up against that.

And then there's a little pool of blood where he was

up against that so that when the attacker went over to Nicole

to cut her throat, then he came back to him and cut his throat.

And that's what evidence does. It tells that he was

in this seated position before being pulled over

and then his throat was cut.

[Tom] So he was going between her and him.

- [Rod] Exactly. - [Tom] More than once.

[Rod] You know why? Because he want to make sure they're dead.

And the only way to do that in this person,

- the attacker's mind. - Yeah?

Here's the cap, again, the Bruno Magli

footwear impression here. Very important stuff.

And note, she's still bleeding

because the blood is running over the top of the footprint.

She's nearly decapitated.

As we remove her body, you can see her vertebra from the front.

If you look at Ron Goldman, you have, you know, like

20 different sized stab wounds. Ron fought hard, hard, hard.

Ron, he was just at the wrong place at the wrong time.

The blood in here is everywhere.

Nicole, she was in the wrong place for a long time.

[Tom] And that became a bone of contention later on

when we were also accused of planting the blood.

Yeah, which is something else. But then you and later...

[Rod] But you had to have knowledge on how to plant it.

Well, to make it fit.

[Tom] Not only that, but Simpson's blood

w-we picked up at the scene. He's back in Chicago,

so how did we get his blood from Chicago to here?

[Rod] Yeah.

[Tom] Well, it didn't make any sense.

I know, I know. Listen to this.

So there's a city of 8 million people.

- Yeah? - You have a Bronco,

that's a scene.

You have Bundy Street, that's a scene.

And you have Rockingham. That's a scene.

You got all three people's blood at each one of those locations

in that two hour period.

And it's so simple. It is so simple.

So everybody was taking shots at everybody else.

Everybody pointing fingers in every direction.

We were fighting, not just involving in the case

and these attorneys, but the media.

Rod Englert alluded to some of this when his home was prowled,

there was a team for the defense

that was going through people's trash.

Friends of mine at my church were contacted secretly

because I was a youth leader.

People were interviewed about my interaction with kids.

Yes, it did affect my life. It was both my wife, my family.

Now, before Ron Goldman was removed, you couldn't see

the keys because they were concealed.

You can see the drag marks here after the pull the body out.

Keys are interesting because he was probably holding the keys.

The keys belong to his girlfriend.

He drove her car the night of the murders.

When these keys were picked up, they were booked into evidence.

There was no blood in those keys and they were booked

and they were consequently released to the girlfriend.

She made a complaint when she got the keys back

said, oh, there's blood all over them, they were terrible

- and everything else. - Right.

Well, somehow the defense got a hold of this statement.

The defense said, well, perhaps the real suspect

got the keys from Ron and there was blood on them.

And that blood belongs to perhaps the real suspect

using the keys as a weapon.

[Rod] There's no speculation, there's no guesswork where

the donor has been identified with those particular patterns.

It made it very, very solid.

[Tom] Because we have a mixture of blood coming from

a common murder weapon and his sole to this day,

the defense claims, well, there's probably a second one.

There's no evidence of a second one.

We looked for that evidence. I looked for that evidence.

I examined every piece of that sidewalk and then going

all the way back to the back, about 200 feet to where

the Bronco was parked in the alley.

And there's no evidence whatsoever that there was

more than one individual.

[Tom] The evidence tells us without any doubt,

because of the blood and because of this,

- there's only one suspect. - Right.

When we came, the blood is going all the way down the walkway

and she just about bled out. When we did the autopsy.

She didn't have a whole lot of blood in her.

As far as my role in the OJ Simpson case,

I was involved in examining the Bronco.

[Tom] John Rogers, remember John?

- Yes. - [Tom] Good guy,

classmate of mine, he calls me at about 3-3:15 in the morning,

Tom, the captain wants to buy you a cup of coffee.

No, hello, how are you? I'm sorry I woke you.

So we know we got something going on.

So he tells me they have this double O.J. Simpson's ex-wife,

I think he said, may be involved,

but we don't know for sure.

They got all of Bundy blocked off. He's on the steps.

The lower part of the steps, four feet, ten inches away.

There's a second victim, Ron Goldman.

When the sun came up, we begin to find more blood.

This is Rockingham gate, the blood tailed up the driveway

and right into the house. A Bronco was parked out in front.

I had nothing against O.J. Simpson, and I was shocked

that he was a suspect.

Here's the master bedroom. These are O.J. socks he took off

when he returned from the crime scene.

So the bathroom is back over here.

What's interesting, your guys went up there

and they checked the sink and they check the shower stall

because Simpson had said that he took a shower,

but in the sink and the shower stall,

the bar soap lying in the bottom,

what do we find?

- Blood. - Blood. Traces of blood.

So we know he was in the shower.

Now you can see some of these photos where you start to see

stains by the naked eye. Smears of blood everywhere.

Began to believe it was really O.J. Simpson and nobody else.

He has a knife. She's nearly decapitated.

He is stabbed.

When the sun came up, begin to find more blood.

In the sink and the shower stall.

The bar soap lying in the bottom what do we find?

- Blood. - Blood.

This is what, 25 years later that there was a second suspect.

They can't tell you why. They say the cops planted evidence,

but they can't show us evidence of the cops planting evidence.

They said the lab was involved in this conspiracy,

but they can't show us any evidence of that.

And I don't know if you can imagine how many people

it would take to pull together this conspiracy.

Basically, overnight, the evidence in general

was found within 24 hours.

[Tom] The LAPD has a policy that all searches,

after they're completed, will be videotaped

to show that we have not trashed it.

The defense gets the video that we took.

We turned it over to the defense.

Looking at the video, they say,

wait a minute, where are the socks?

There's no socks here. They must have been planted.

They're not in the video.

Unknowing to them, when the video was actually made

after, not before, this is very simply explained

where the video was taken after.

Today, people still say, what about the socks thing?

There were a little over 1,000 crime scene photos

of the Bronco, of Rockingham, of Bundy

and all turned over to the defense.

This is August 27th. So this is a

little over two months later

and they don't know where the bodies were

at the crime scene? No, they had no idea.

They thought the bodies were by the front doors.

I said no, they're down here near the front gate.

This is where Nicole was. This is where Ron was over here.

And they're not taking any notes, but there's plenty of

camera work going on with the media.

You can see in this picture right here,

my hair used to be red and not white.

- Okay. - But anyway,

we went in to examine the Bronco for blood patterns.

To our surprise, we found a lot more blood.

You can see some of these photos that I have here

where you start to see stains by the naked eye.

Smears of blood everywhere.

Began to believe it was really O.J. Simpson and nobody else

when there was no other blood found at the crime scene

except the victims

and O.J. Simpson's by th... where he said he parked his car.

[Tom] When we take the doors off, take the console out,

take the seats out, take the back out,

strip everything out. We find a lot of interesting stuff.

We were accused of finding all this extra blood,

more of it as planting it. It's another stab to the heart.

The jurors, that was another story testifying.

And I look over and you try to talk to the jury

and you try to speak in lay terms

and they're taking notes and kind of giggling to each other

and whispering, I can't believe that Judge Ito

didn't put a stop to that, nor did the prosecuting attorneys

say anything.

Everything was attacked. That's their only defense.

They're going to tell you it was lies.

They're going to tell you it was a conspiracy.

We were very happy that we found this amount of blood

because in those days, analyzing DNA,

you needed a lot of blood. We proved that it was

a combination of Ron Goldman, Nicole Simpson and O.J. Simpson.

Evidence that was collected from the Bronco is enormous.

Get any prosecutor in the country that prosecutes cases,

would love to have what's just in the Bronco.

[O.J.] Just tell them I'm all sorry.

Y and tomorrow that I was sorry

and that I'm sorry that I did this to the police department.

[Tom] Listen, I think you should tell them yourself.

After the chase, we obviously searched... searched the rear.

We searched the whole thing.

You gonna go to the house?

[O.J.] That's where I told you we weren't... you know,

you just let them all know. You let the police know,

you let them all know I wasn't running.

[Tom] I know you weren't running.

This was Simpson's mobile phone that I spoke to him with.

[Rod] And that was during the Bronco chase after the murder.

- The slow chase? - Yeah.

- [Tom] You there? - [O.J.] Just let me get to

- my house. - Okay. We're going to do that.

[O.J.] I swear to you, I'll give you what...

I'll give you me, I'll give you my whole body.

[Tom] Just throw the gun out the window.

Let's look at this disguise kit, of significance in this kit,

see, you got a little beard, and a mustache here.

But what's significant is May the 27th, 1994.

So this disguise kit was bought two weeks before the murders.

Why would he have a disguise kit?

This was found in the back seat.

- Premeditation. Premeditation. - Yeah.

Later is in pursuit. He's got a gun.

Here's the gun right here. A revolver.

This becomes very important to my conversations with him,

that isn't brought into evidence.

Just have A.C. pull over and just toss that gun out

and everything will be okay. It's gonna be better tomorrow.

- [O.J.] He's takin' me home. - [Tom] I know he's

taking you home, but will you please toss that gun?

Here's a set of keys. Ten days before the murders,

Nicole went to her mother and she says, Mom,

I'm a little concerned because I think O.J.,

when he was in the last time, stole my keys.

- There they are. He was right. - What were those keys to,

other than her door? Was it to...

[Tom] The gate and the front door.

Why would he want to steal the keys? Perhaps because he wanted

to go in there at his own choosing.

There's actually two Broncos.

The first Bronco was given to O.J. by Hertz.

He used the Bronco the night of the murders.

His good friend, A.C. Cowlings, also bought a 1994 white Bronco.

[Rod] O.J. was supposed to turn himself in

at Parker Center downtown. He never showed.

So this goes out all over the news.

People are actually running up to the car

- and banging on the windows. - I saw that.

We jump ahead to the trial.

Where's all this stuff?

[Rod] None of this was used.

[Tom] No, this goes to intent to flee, obviously,

that's the very least.

[Rod] Okay. What do we have? We have two people murdered.

We have three locations. We have a Bronco.

We have Rockingham and we have Bundy Street. Right?

And we know that there's a lot of blood.

[Tom] There's a ton of blood in this car.

[Rod] I wanted to do a little demonstration for you

that I was planning on doing for the jurors

and this is stage blood. And what I'm going to do

is put some on my knuckle. O.J. Simpson was bleeding,

- left middle finger. - Yeah.

I could come up. Sure. And open the door like this.

But then it would be awkward because you got to

push the button. But then I go in like that and I'm bleeding

and I pull it out. I open the door.

Even TV viewers of that trial never knew that there was

enormous amounts of blood, that these these were patterns

that were identifiable. Pretty hard to refute.

Here's a photo taken at the time of

the crime scene investigation.

This is the door handle on this one.

Here's the same door handle here.

And notice where it's located.

It's not where the thumb would be.

It's not where the little finger would be.

And we have a person bleeding from which finger?

The left middle finger. And that's O.J. Simpson's blood.

They did not put Rod Englert on the stand to testify

to the months and months of work that he did.

As to every bit of blood evidence in this case

that the jury, I'm sure,

regardless of how they thought about cops or anything else,

I'm sure they wanted to hear it.

Nobody else did that on either side.

This is at the very end when O.J. Simpson gets out of

the vehicle and leaves after parking it on Rockingham.

- You didn't see that at trial. - Exactly.

Somebody needed to tell that story because the story

is pretty hard to refute.

I've done something here that I think that will help the viewers

to realize how much blood is actually in this vehicle

and the size of the scenes.

So this is not the same vehicle.

That vehicle had leather seats. They were beige.

This has seats that are cloth.

But I just want to take the viewer through how much blood

and what the patterns were inside of the vehicle.

Well, who was bleeding? O.J. Simpson.

Where was he bleeding? Left finger.

And this is a transfer that appears to be something,

could be the knife laying right under it is a long blond hair.

And you're supposed to testify to that

and admit it in court, never happened.

Smears of blood everywhere.

[Tom] Crime scene photos of the bronco of Rockingham, of Bundy.

Let's look at this disguise kit. A mustache here.

Here's the gun right here.

This goes to intent to flee, obviously.

Well, who was bleeding? O.J. Simpson.

Where was he bleeding? Left finger.

How it lines up with not only opening the door on the outside,

but just opening the door to get out on the inside.

It's only his blood. It's in line with where he's bleeding.

And then when did the crime occur?

Nighttime.

Well, what do you do on a car when you get in it

to drive it at night, you turn on the lights.

We actually Luminoled this and this is on the light switch,

not only on the switch itself, but below the switch.

And when the donor came back as to whose blood this was,

it came back as human blood. And it came back as the donor

being O.J. Simpson. Now, that's a lot of blood,

but it even gets to be more.

On the steering wheel at about 1:00, you will see

a faint transfer of blood there down here at about 7:00.

Well, what hand do you turn the lights on with?

You turn it on with your left hand.

Sure, you can reach over and turn it on with your right.

But in this particular case, then you've got outside door,

inside door, light switch, steering wheel. 1:00 and 7:00

is O.J. Simpson's blood.

Well, in getting in the vehicle, we have a swipe

that goes from left, the door side,

the driver's door side to the right.

And that is Nicole Simpson's blood.

See, there was never any theme.

There was never a story that started at Bundy Street

and then went into a Bronco.

And that evidence then transferred some of it

into a house and around a house.

I mean, there's a ton of blood in here.

Why it was never put into evidence.

You got blood here that's visible,

anjd you got blood that's not visible.

[Rod] Right, in trial, only pieces were.

Well, this blood here is this person.

[Tom] Sitting on the jury, I want to know how, why.

[Rod] But there was never any explanation of theme

that followed from beginning to end

about these patterns, what the patterns were,

what they mean, what they came from.

We had two swipes of Nicole Brown Simpson's blood

going from left to right near the door sill,

as you can see here, was also a swipe

of Nicole Brown Simpson's blood.

What is that consistent with? That's consistent with

having blood on a hand which we know he was bleeding

that swipes across or a sleeve

in both of these, Nicole Simpson's blood.

[Tom] You know, there is a story.

What we needed was someone to tell it.

- [Rod] I was ready. - [Tom] I know.

[Rod] If I were his defense attorney, I'd be worried.

I would be really worried. The evidence is overwhelming.

It's enormous. It's big. This is a lot of blood.

These aren't little specks of blood.

These aren't projected stains.

They are patterns, large patterns of blood

to indicate that someone is bleeding extensively.

On the console, it's as though O.J. Simpson is reaching around.

And inside of that was a mixture

of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman's blood.

These are visible to the naked eye.

Transfer stains from a hand that is wet with blood.

[Tom] You look at the DNA in this case

and the fact there's nothing exculpatory,

never have too much evidence in a murder case.

Like I have too much, they'll never believe it.

Well, that was this case.

You had a ton of evidence that was never brought.

[Rod] Just another transfer. And this is a transfer

that appears to be something that is it could be the knife.

You'll notice here, Tom. Notice at the edge of it.

It's well-defined, laying right under it in the seat

is a long, blond hair.

And remember I told you what I picked off 39 hairs

from Goldman's shirt after her throat had been cut.

Nicole's throat was cut. The attacker went back to Goldman,

cut his throat, and all those hairs came off

because there's close contact and on to Goldman's shirt.

[Tom] Simpson never even knew Ron Goldman.

So what would Ron Goldman's blood be doing in Simpson's car?

Never could put those two together.

In the seat, you have Nicole Brown Simpson's blood

in the form of what appears to be a knife transfer.

It's a very well-defined line that's different than what

cloth would do or a finger would do.

And then below that is a long blond hair.

See the enormity of that evidence?

And you're supposed to testify to that

and admit it in court and it never happened.

Any piece of evidence, including the hair,

the strand of hair, was found by

one of the prosecution's criminalists, Rod Englert.

In order to get that into evidence,

something that the jury can look at and consider,

it has to be admitted. It was never admitted

because if it were admitted, it would have been admitted

through Rod Englert. That didn't happen.

And the only reason that wouldn't have happened

is because the prosecution wouldn't have wanted it,

well, why don't they want it?

Well, they didn't want a lot of evidence submitted in this case.

That's why we're here today doing this thing.

And this was one of them because a cop

was delivering the evidence, cops are on trial

as far as the jury is concerned. And Rod is one of them.

Okay, Rod, why don't you to step back a second.

I want to show you a little fun fact here with it we found.

And he pulls the seat out and there's a little

illumination bulb rolling around underneath

- when you took the seat out. - I remember that.

Plastic cover over the illumination bulb was missing.

And so is the bulb, so I look up, this bulb fits

at the top of the Bronco. But I'm thinking back

to when I was a young cop, the first thing we did

at nightwatch, we'd reach up and we grab that bulb,

we'd pull it out. Why would you remove the bulb?

For the same reason we did. We didn't want...

He didn't want to be illuminated.

This to me, again, goes to intent.

It's very significant. We never saw it in trial.

[Rod] Okay, Tom, now let's talk about the socks.

[Tom] More accusations of cops planting blood right.

[Rod] Tell me about that.

[Tom] Well, the socks Simpson's house belonging to Simpson

- were recovered in his bedroom. - Right.

Tom Lange picked them up at the foot of the bed

and those socks went into evidence.

[Tom] More accusations of cops planting blood.

You get involved in this whole thing as a blood expert,

blood spatter expert.

A shotgun blast was down through the floor

that accounted for the third shell.

Another third was here. Here's your knife.

And then the person rolls him over on his back.

We find on the socks that the victim, Nicole Simpson's blood

is on these socks, on O.J. socks in his bedroom.

We get accused of planting that blood on those socks.

Ron and Nicole, you wouldn't even know there's any victims

when all this B.S. starts.

They're talking about everything else,

everything around the periphery of this entire case

except the victims. Nobody cares about that.

One of the defense attorneys, Alan Dershowitz,

You would have voted to acquit.

And he says officer, he calls him Officer Vannatter.

It was my late partner, my late homicide partner

planted the victim's blood on Simpson's socks

and he very demonstrably puts his hands up

and says he's holding the sock here

and there's a vial of blood here.

And Vannatter poured the blood on the sock.

Anything to throw doubt within a case.

And this is a very, very good example.

If this were true, number one, why didn't we see this

during the trial? And quite frankly,

waited until after my partner died?

So we have the defense attorney saying my partner poured blood,

planting it. Their own investigator says

the lab planted it, well, they can't get their lies straight.

Why wasn't this challenged in rebuttal during the trial?

People can lie. Look at me, Tom.

People can lie, but the evidence never lies.

Blood was poured onto the socks and the blood was planted

- on the socks by the cops. - Well, that's ridiculous.

It's common sense. If you pour it,

that's a different pattern than projected stains.

The blood pattern on the socks was projected stain,

impact into blood that projected the blood out.

This random distribution of large and small drops

that were on both socks. Just like go in your kitchen,

get some water and pour it on a cloth.

Everybody knows that's not the same pattern.

And then you have to turn it over.

You have to do it to this side.

It doesn't create that type of pattern.

If I'm in the jury, I want to know

how the blood got on the socks.

[ t

I'm uncertain.

Here you have transfer pattern, transfer pattern on the toes

and then projective stains on 360 degrees round those socks.

We looked at these socks together, remember?

I flew to DOJ. You met me there at Department of Justice

in Sacramento. Now, they hadn't been analyzed yet

and we counted and looking with magnification,

we've counted 29 projected stains right here,

meaning little dots, the same that are on Ron Goldman's boots.

And then 19 on this particular sock, another sock.

Now, we don't know which one was left or worn left

or which one was right. On the toe of both of the socks

and on the top of one of them was a different type of stain.

It wasn't projected stains, it was a transfer stain.

Now transfer means if I've got blood on my hand,

give me your hand and I transfer it to your jacket

and I hit some blood and projects,

that creates a little random distribution

of large and small drops. Right?

Now, I want to show you something.

I've got a cut, and I reach down and I pull the sock down.

A neighbor told us that he saw O.J. peeking in Nicole's window.

Coincidentally, the same type of knit cap at the crime scene.

I believe that she was dating guy, that his name was Keith.

The time that I think that was who O.J. was spying on.

And we have a person bleeding from which finger?

The left finger. Inside of that was a mixture of

Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman's blood.

We get accused of planning that blood on those socks.

I've got a cut and I reach down and I pull the sock down.

I've got blood on my hands.

We know he's bleeding from the middle finger.

We know that that blood is fresh.

And this is where the transfer occurs

when I pull the socks down. There is your transfer.

That is a pattern that's different from the pattern

on both socks, 360 degrees around the ankles,

but not where my pants are covering

and not where my shoes are being worn.

And then you pull it off. You usually have to grab the toe

or it's consistent with grabbing the toe on both of these socks.

O.J. Simpson's blood on the toes.

O.J. Simpson's blood at the top.

And Nicole Brown Simpson, 360 degrees of projected stains

from what the demonstration is fighting, stomping, projecting

stains, out to the side. You cannot pour blood

onto these socks to create those kind of patterns.

It's pretty powerful evidence. Remember, this is interesting.

When we was there at the lab, you call me five days later

and you said, go to a secure phone and left my office.

So I went to a phone booth. It was raining.

I'll never forget the words that you told me,

you said, want to know whose blood this is?

She said there's only five people that know

and the two of us are two of the five.

Nicole Brown Simpson blood and Simpson's blood.

And then there was another accusation

that the lab rehydrated these little stains

to make it go through to the other side,

meaning nobody could be wearing them.

Do you know what that means?

That means there was no foot in that sock.

Can you really think of this? Just think that

someone with a Q-Tip is going to rehydrate blood

and 29 times...

to make it go through the other side that... that was,

that was not true. And that was actually testified to in trial.

Tom, let me just show you how ridiculous this is,

this false accusation,

the blood pouring that allegedly has occurred

is when I pour blood into blood

and pour it on the socks.

You're not going to get those individual stains.

It just isn't going to happen. Look at that.

[Tom] It's solid.

[Rod] And it doesn't go around to the other side.

This is a transfer. Now, I've got blood on there

and that's a transfer. And that's what we have

at the top that we couldn't see with the naked eye.

- [Tom] Yeah. - [Rod] Not only do we have

a transfer there, but we have a transfer here

and we have a transfer here on these socks.

And this tells a story. It's that simple.

And so in going and meeting with the criminalist,

the Department of Justice and I contacted you later

as to what the results were. And I've got a little video here

that he sent to us. You remember this?

It's called an infrared examination.

That is the camera that is able to focus and be able to see

what the eye cannot see.

You can see the different stains. They were there.

And I want you to see this. This is the top of the sock.

[Tom] That is O.J. Simpson's sock.

[Rod] That is O.J. Simpson's socks found at

the foot of the bed that you found.

This is a transfer stain that we're looking at here.

And this is sock number 42A.

But now the criminalist is going to go down this knee high sock

and you're going to start seeing those projected stains.

And mind you, there's like 19 on one and 29 on the other.

They start showing up and look where they're showing up.

And look, you're coming up to the heel.

[Tom] Yeah.

[Rod] And also on the sock was O.J. Simpson

at the transfer stain, the upper one.

And look at the stain. These are projected stains.

And there's little ones. There's big ones.

That's a random distribution of large and small drops from

fighting.

Here we start to see with infrared photography and video

projected stains that comes back to the blood of who?

- [Tom] Nicole Simpson. - [Rod] Because you're the one

who told me that when you had to go to a phone booth

- and call you. - These are the ones you counted.

[Rod] That's right.

So there's a lot of them all around the socks.

- [Tom] 360 degrees. - [Rod] 360 degrees.

And there's a photograph of Ron Goldman's boots.

You know what's on the side of his boots?

Same type of projected stains.

This is like a transfer stain at the toe.

- And guess who's blood that was? - [Tom] Simpson's.

[Rod] That's Simpson's blood.

At the top and at the toe.

And the same on the other at the toe.

[Tom] You've got Simpson's blood, the suspect on the toe

and at the top of the sock.

You indicated how that got there. And in the center,

- you got projected blood. - Exactly.

From the victim. And juror number seven,

she never believed he was guilty.

Is this before she heard the evidence, apparently.

Thought that the physical abuse side of the case

was, quote, belongs somewhere down the hall in another court.

This was a murder trial. The defense shows

without any doubt that that's exactly what it was.

Yet she associated this apparently with some kind of,

uh, uh, abuse to the victim.

Yeah, it was plenty of abuse, but I guess it just didn't

sink in that way with her.

[911 operator] Attention all units,

domestic violence at 30... correction,

325 south crescent ring way,

advise, the suspect has now entered...

[Nicole] O.J., the kids are sleeping.

[911 operator] 4-2-2-1 are the 825, children involved.

[O.J.] You didn't give a shit about the kids

when they were fucking sitting in the living room.

They were here.

You give my kids shit?

Oh, it's different now...

[Bill] My partner, Detective Lange

enter interview room in Parker Center.

Tand the time is 13:35 hours.

And we're here with O.J. Simpson,

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And what is your birthdate?

[O.J.] July 9, 1947.

[Tom] Okay, prior to us talking to you as we agreed

with your attorney, I'm gonna give you...

Is my hair okay? Is there.

Every time I meet someone and they find out that I'm Kato,

the witness in the trial, they all want to be a part of it.

They all have a story, and it's like, why do you

want to be associated with that?

I don't want to be associated with that.

But they are coming up with these different theories.

You know, if I'm a detective. I'm going, geez,

Tom, you take this call. It's the psychic.

I'll never forget when detective Vannatter said to me,

It's just there in my brain,

this is a two minute Columbo episode

because we have so much evidence.

And I was like, Oh, wow.

All of little pointed in one direction.

[Reporter] Mark asked Kato if he thought his new pal O.J.

could help his struggling acting career.

I don't think we're going for the same parts, right.

I'm going to L.A. to be an actor and things are going okay.

And I was in a few commercials. I was doing my things.

I kept going, Hey, I could be Brad Pitt.

Oh, okay, maybe Armpit. His brother.

- What's your name? - Erin.

[Man] Any book deals or anything happening for you?

Coloring book, maybe one day.

I'll do a coloring book. We'll see.

Do you have a crayon?

You do. You do carry a crayon, don't you?

I noticed that about you.

Everything has a blueprint in your life,

and for whatever reason,

mine was to be a witness in this trial.

In 1994, my friend produced a movie.

Believe it or not, I had the script three months earlier

to Dumb and Dumber, and that was the film that I was tested for.

And later in life I got to meet the Farrelly brothers

who directed that film. And I'm going,

You guys got to hear this story.

[Tom] You were hanging around O.J. for quite a while,

and you probably get opinions.

He was a wealthy guy. I wasn't. So it was sort of like

he was tax bracket was Danish, I was donuts.

So I converted that way. He loved having people

make sure they knew it was him.

A neighbor told us that he saw O.J. peeking in Nicole's window

and he was wearing a dark colored knit cap.

Coincidentally, the same type of knit cap at the crime scene.

[Kato] I Believe that she was dating a guy,

that his name was Keith at the time that I think

that was who O.J. was spying on.

[Tom] There's a lot of things in this case that weren't brought

as evidence that should have been brought.

Marcia Clark's doing her job. The only thing was

I don't know why she called me a hostile witness.

Basically what she's saying is whatever Kato says,

it really means nothing.

Kato was Kato and Kato didn't give up a lot during that trial.

Probably just because of that fact,

you're not going to cooperate. I wouldn't either.

I think he was as forthright as he could be,

and there's no reason for him not to be.

Everybody's says and even the media says, you know,

then the cops get involved. And the biggest problem they had

is they concentrated on O.J. Simpson.

They never looked at another person.

That's all B.S. That's not true.

There's other people that were suspects.

We actually have what we call a clue file.

And among those were 512 of these things

that we investigated. And among them

were about 50 potential suspects.

- [Kato] 150? - [Tom] Fifty, 5-0

potential suspects.

We spent months on other possible suspects in this case.

It's all documented. It was all turned over.

Go down here to, oh, look at this, 317, what does that say?

[Kato] Kato killed the Nicole because she broke up with Kato.

Suggest putting Kato on the lie detector.

Well, it's not me.

- You know what the good news is? - What?

- You're a three. - I'm a three.

That's a Category three, that's always good to know.

On top of her head, she also has a stab wound.

She has contusions. There's another wound on her

that hasn't happened yet.

O.J. Simpson's blood on the toes.

[Kato] His name was Keith. That was who O.J. was spying on.

There's a lot of things in this case that weren't brought

as evidence. This was one of them.

Kato, suggest putting Kato and the lie detector.

Well, it's not me.

They're interviewing over 50 suspects, 5-0, and to know

they collected so much evidence that never was used,

- I'd be so pissed off. - I told you we had this audio,

I wanna play that for you in a bit.

But looking around here at all these pictures,

what does that look like? This picture right here?

That's the old Kato room right there. It's clean.

It was 5:00 or so in the morning,

there's a knock at my door, and all I saw to the door

were four guys. And I just let you in.

I'm in a daze at that time, I'm always in a daze

but I'm in a daze because of sleep.

Picture this though, really, four guys at 5:00 a.m.

coming to your door and you don't even ask

if they're really police and you say, Come on in.

He said to me, he said, What did you wear last night?

And I said, Oh, it's on that chair.

Now, you have to understand, I don't know what's going on.

Then I start thinking, something happened to O.J.

is there plane crash?

Ten hours earlier? Were you lying in bed?

Something happened. I was on the phone.

I heard a noise, and a picture moved,

and I said, did we have an earthquake?

- To her on the phone? - Yeah.

Sort of a... like, what was that?

What's behind your bed wall, on the outside?

There's an air conditioner. And that's about it.

Does that look like the air conditioning unit behind you?

Yeah. Someone said, you hear anything unusual last night?

I said, I don't know if this is an important thing,

but my picture moved. But it might not be anything.

It happened behind this wall.

[Tom] Yeah, that was kind of important

because right down here was the glove, right?

- So it kind of was important. - Yeah, it was important.

[Kato] Everybody remembers the bloody glove, everybody.

[Tom] And so I get back to this audio I was telling you about.

I want to get a feeling for what you think about his responses.

This isn't interrogation. If the cops are going to

interrogate somebody, they usually confront them.

You don't do that with someone like this, who's a sociopath.

Number two, probably kick your ass anyway.

The audio for Kato was the interview that Bill Vannatter

and I did with Simpson.

And this is about 14 hours after the murders occurred.

At this point, Simpson is not a suspect.

He's a potential suspect.

We still want to know his side of things.

What's going on? What did you do last night?

I know you just got in from Chicago.

We had these terrible murders.

I want to see what he's got to say about that.

[Tom] We're investigating, obviously, the death

of your ex-wife and another man.

Someone told us that.

How did you get the injury on your hands?

[O.J.] I don't know.

N I was in Chicago, I know.

But at the house, I was just running around and I...

[Tom] How'd you do it?

[O.J.] I broke a glass. I just was...

you had, one of you guys had just call me

and I was in the bathroom and I was in the bathroom a

for a little bit.

And it was a normal dance, humbling, bumbling around.

Well, you know, I cut it back in Chicago on a glass,

on a drinking glass. I cut my fingers all the time.

You know, I'm playing golf, I'm doing this, I'm doing that.

So we're getting two or three different scenarios.

[Tom] If you recall, bleeding at all

in the truck, in the Bronco?

[O.J.] I recall bleeding at my house.

And then I went to the... went to the Bronco.

The last thing I did The last thing I did b

was I went and got my phone out of the Bronco.

[Tom] Do you recall bleeding at all?

Yeah. I mean, I knew I was bleeding. It was no big deal.

I bleed all the time, I mean, I bleed all the time, I mean, I

There's always some knicks and stuff.

But if you cut it in Chicago, you stick with it,

you don't say, Well, I might have cut it over here.

I might have done this and I'm cut... and like,

it's no big thing. Let's forget about it and move on.

That's what he wanted.

Most important evidence now is blood. Blood evidence.

[Bill] You haven't had any problems with her lately,

have you?

[O.J.] I always have problems with her, you know,

I guess our relationship has been a problem relationship.

[Bill] O.J., well, that's sort of a problem.

We've got some blood on and in your car.

Y

And sort of a problem with it.

[O.J.] Well, we'll take my blood test.

[Tom] Well, we'd like to do that.

We've got to, of course, the cut on your finger

that you don't... not real clear on.

Bleeding with the middle left finger left side of his body.

So right away the wheels start spinning.

I want to find out about that finger.

So I'm building this rapport and it worked.

He didn't invoke, as a consequence,

we ended up him cooperating and letting us look at his finger.

Do you recall having that cut on your finger the last time

you were at Nicole's house?

[O.J.] A week ago? No, no.

- [Tom] So it's been since... - [O.J.] Yeah, right.

Since last night.

So intense and now he's like, oh I got to cut.

I don't, I don't know the cut, where I got it.

He's thinking now what can he say?

I think you're right. I think you're right.

O.J., you're bleeding.

We'll maybe have somebody take a look at that,

put a Band-Aid on it, and he said, Oh, no, that's fine,

everything's okay. The back of my mind,

I'm thinking evidence. Meanwhile he gives us three really sketchy

responses about how he cut his finger.

[Bill] What do you think happened?

[O.J.] I had no idea, man.

You guys haven't told me anything.

I have no idea what happened when you said to my daughter,

said something to me today that somebody else

might have been involved. might have been involved. I

w why or what?

You guys haven't told me anything.

Every time I asked you guys, are you going to tell me?

[Tom] Well, we don't we don't know a lot of the answers

to those questions yet ourself O.J., okay?

[Bill] Did you ever hit her O.J.?

[O.J.] Uh... That one night, we had a fight that night.

That night we had a fight. She hit me, you know.

And as I said, they never took my statement.

T They never want to hear

the housekeeper's side. Nicole was drunk.

She did her thing. She did her thing. S

She hit me.

I, I, I got to tell you, just listen to this.

It's sort of...

she's dead, right?

Let's what else we got here.

[O.J.] I didn't punch her or anything, but I, I, you know...

[Bill] Slapped her a couple times.

[O.J.] No, no, I wrastled her is what I did.

I haven't slapped her at all. Nicole's a strong girl.

She's a [scoffs] one of the most conditioned women

since that period of time. She's hit me a few times,

but I've never touched her after that.

[Tom] Did Mr. Weissman, your your lawyer, your attorney

talk to you anything about this polygraph?

About us performing one?

But what are your thoughts on that?

[O.J.] Should I talk about my thoughts on that?

You know, I mean, I'm sure eventually I'll do it.

But it's like I got some weird thoughts now.

[Tom] The reason we're talking to you is you're,

you're the ex-husband.

[O.J.] I know I'm the number one target.

And now you're telling me And now you're telling me I

[Tom] Well, there's blood at your house in the driveway

and that footstep, we got a search warrant.

W

[Bill] Is that your blood? This drip there.

[O.J.] If this is what I dripped running around trying to leave.

- [Tom] Last night? - [O.J.] Yeah and I wasn't aware

that it... I was aware that I you know, I was trying to

get out of the house. I didn't pay any attention to it.

I mean, you've got to be, like just pissed off.

Why aren't they using this stuff that we found?

It was never put on as evidence and it should have been.

Could have sent you or me to prison for the rest of our life.

[Kato] I can tell you one thing I keep close to my heart

is to know where I came from and all that and I still have

my house guest key and yeah...

Much of autopsy photos trying to determine what happened.

Now, again, the blood tells the story, but the wounds

also tell the story.

Well, one thing, the body is evidence

and then the clothing that the person wears is evidence.

And one other thing that people don't regard a lot

is the lack of blood in certain areas is also evidence.

She goes down because of these four stab wounds, that here,

that penetrate her heart and it had to be a long bladed knife

to go that deep. On top of her head,

she also has a stab wound. She has contusions.

This would put somebody down very quickly.

There's another wound on her that hasn't happened yet

because Ron Goldman walks up.

He is stabbed multiple, multiple times. He's in a fight.

Look at all the defensive wounds on him.

He is struggling with everything within him.

There's a total of 29 stabbing wounds, cuts, defensive wounds.

And this happened, as we know, in seconds.

There's what's called a swallowtail,

if you will look at this, you'll see that the knife is in

its down deep in his neck.

Now this is a long bladed knife. Here's what's significant.

This swallowtail means that the knife cut at this plane

and then the knife shifted and cut at this plane.

Do you know why it shifted? It's because he's moving.

He's got a knife in his neck and he is struggling

and he is still up. Now, one thing that tells me

that he was up a significant amount of time

is the wounds to his body bled as he is standing.

If you go shift over to the picture of his pants

that are over here on the wall, it's down both sides,

this doesn't happen when you're laying in on the ground

in the position that he's in.

Look at all the way down on the right side.

- Sure. - Huge amount of blood.

But it takes a little time to soak, and to run.

So he's fighting.

This kid is fighting with everything within him.

Even with the wounds, he's not going to go down

because he's trying to save that person's life

that's laying there, that he's delivering the glasses to,

that's laying down on that step.

[Tom] And you can tell by the lack of blood,

- they're perimortem wounds. - [Rod] Exactly.

She has abrasions from consistent with going down

against that tree. So he's in a fight.

So now he's down and he's seated on his buttocks.

He has his back up against the fence,

the attacker could have left the scene at that time.

But that's when the attacker goes over

and we've already looked at the wounds of Nicole Simpson,

but the one that is going to ensure that she's going to die.

[Allan] You know, made the second call at 10:44.

He made the third call. I think we're up to about 10:46

at about that time. That's when I see a dark figure

come across the driveway here.

I heard a noise, a picture moved.

Sort of a... like, what was that?

[O.J.] I know I'm the number one target.

You've got to be, like, just pissed off.

[O.J.] I knew I was bleeding, but it was no big deal.

I bleed all the time.

[Tom] The blood tells the story,

but the wounds also tell a story.

[Rod] And we've already looked at the wounds of Nicole Simpson,

but the one that is going to ensure that she's going to die.

That's right here.

This is cut all the way back to the vertebrae.

But the attacker didn't stop there.

Turns and goes back to Ron Goldman,

which is just a step and pulls him over.

That's when you saw his shirt way up.

Sure, these are grab marks on the shirt.

- [Tom] Goldman's shirt. - [Rod] That's what they...

that's a pattern. That's another pattern.

And grabs him and then goes from his right to his left

with the same knife cutting his throat.

And that's insurance that both of them are dead.

Got everything but a serial number.

I mean, with all of these wounds, people will say, well,

there's two different knives and all that is

is an intersecting wound.

[Rod] Just imagine Nicole was probably playing with her Akita.

- Yeah. - The door rings or something,

and she goes out, life is over in seconds.

- My gosh. - You know you're going to die.

You don't see it. If I could... You know you're going to die.

This is nine months after the trial,

jurors are appearing on things like Larry King,

juror number three, female, white, age 60.

She states she feels he was guilty,

but the evidence wasn't there and I've got, huh?

With a big question mark, I don't care if he was guilty

or not guilty, you didn't look at the evidence.

But there was other things in this, too,

that was very important that need to be brought out.

And one of them was a photograph of Nicole in a little negligee,

a black negligee that she was wearing.

There was a pattern on that negligee

right under her right arm on her back.

And it appeared to be a footprint.

And it was very well defined,

but a good picture wasn't taken of it.

[Tom] You circled something here. What did you circle?

[Rod] I did. When I looked at this clothing.

This was a footprint type impression in like mud and blood

on her back.

There was a lot of flaky blood there. Doesn't show it here.

Now, what does that mean? That means that blood

had to be on the ground before this was applied, right?

- Yeah. - And so this is a

stomp impression before he left, which includes that...

there's that rage and it's right here

on her back underneath the clothing.

Looks like a shoe impression, which is bruising,

which means her heart is still beating.

- Right. - So she had a little bit of life

left in her in those few seconds that it took

this thing to occur and here you have that pattern.

That's not lividity. So that is a last final, you know...

He's thinking.

I don't want to say it.

- You testify to that? - That's a medical examiner's.

- And we had it. - Who found it?

- Well, I found it. - Yeah. You're supposed to share

- with the prosecutor, right? - Right. Well, we did.

I know you did. We've shared a lot with the prosecutor.

- We just didn't see it in trial. - Right. Right.

You have to look at every piece of evidence, every piece,

looking at everything in order to reconstruct.

In Ron Goldman's shirt had two patterns

on the back of the shirt and they were grab patterns.

[Tom] This is Ron Goldman's shirt.

[Rod] Okay. This is very interesting.

This is something that wasn't used in the trial.

But these are hand transfers.

And I looked at that, took pictures of that

and actually picked hairs off of the front of that jacket.

This is consistent with a grabbing of the material

and in the struggle or pulling him over to his side

when he's up against the fence.

And that's why you see what looks like fingers

in the voids in between, because the blood can't get there.

And you have sort of a twisting action that is here

in both of these. If I grabbed you with the bloody hand,

I'm going to grab you

when it's released and goes to the lab.

The laboratory will lay it out flat

and then you will see voids, blood can't get down in there.

And that's why you see what looks like fingers

in the voids in between because the blood can't get there.

And you have a sort of a twisting action that is here

- in both of these. - Same time you showed the DA

- the pictures? - Yes. And explained

what the grab marks were. Yeah. It's not a stab and run.

This is going to tell us what happened during the struggle.

So the jury sitting there, they don't know about this.

Man to man, right?

Ron Goldman had no stab wounds in his back.

They were at the side and there were five defects

in the back of the shirt, but he had no stab wounds in his back.

What does that mean? It's consistent with the struggle.

Struggle around while the jacket, the shirt is being held

tightly, and then it's twisted in such a way

that when he's stabbed, he's actually stabbing into his side.

That's just indicative of a struggle.

There were superficial wounds on his neck.

These are just simply wounds where the attacker

couldn't get the knife in trying to cut the throat.

What came between were these appendages the hands,

the gloves on the hand in this fight, this is going on.

- Yeah. - And there's a there's has to be

an arm around the neck of Ron Goldman because

the glove comes off. I mean, he's not going to

turn around, say, hey, stop fighting.

I'ma take off the glove. You just don't do that.

This is a struggle.

[Tom] Recovered a bunch of gloves from Simpson's house

per the search warrant and I was told to go in

and in court, open court out of the presence of the jury,

prosecutors here, defense lawyers here,

investigators behind them and I'm just kind of

looking over the top and they don't want me to be looking.

And I said, wait a minute. I've been instructed to watch

what he's doing when he puts the gloves on,

[Man] You think O.J. had a bag with the bloody clothes

because every time he put a new pair of gloves on,

he's under the counsel table like this, putting them on,

well, they were slipping right on.

These are from my house? Simpson is asking me.

These are from my house?

No, no, no talking. No talking. They shut me up real quick.

[Tom] Mr. Simpson, you have the right to remain silent.

This again, was out of the presence of the jury.

But again, they're just trying to cover this stuff up.

You got to keep it simple. Be able to explain it.

Don't talk over anybody at a level

that they don't understand.

I'm not the best artist in the world.

You know, this is Nicole Simpson's wounds.

She had seven stab wounds to neck and the scalp.

I describe the severed wound on her neck.

There's not one thing that's not explainable.

[Tom] Somebody made a quote about it sounds like

we screwed everything up. I said, you know,

we screwed this case up at every level

and everything still comes back pointing at Simpson,

there was nothing exculpatory in this case

that was substantive nature. And by that, I mean

there's nothing anybody could point to that says,

well, maybe he didn't do it, which is very rare

in any murder case.

Would you use these testifying in court?

[Rod] Oh, I'd have them in front of me.

[Tom] That's why you did this.

And I would provide the defense a copy of these.

- That's what you did. - I don't hide these.

They never ask for my numbers.

10-11-1994, a few months after it happened on June 12th.

- For the trial. - And here we have the autopsy,

the transection of the neck, the left jugular.

That gives me where the wound started, you know,

from his right to his left, because it comes deeper,

starts shallower, and then we have multiple stab wounds

to the chest and the abdomen and the thigh.

That's why you have all the bleeding that we have

on his pants and numerous bruises, abrasions, cuts,

stab wounds, the left jugular.

You know where my reports had to go?

Did you... are you aware that I was not allowed

to send my reports to who I worked for

and was hired by and retained by the prosecution?

I was ordered to send everything everything to Judge Ito.

So I think the ball is in your court to justify.

That's the strangest thing I've ever had happened.

Who ordered you to send everything to judge Ito?

Judge Ito did. You didn't know that, did you?

No, I didn't know that.

The National Enquirer was setting up some kind of

a command post in Simi Valley to do some background on me.

Sunday, March 12th. I got one of my daughters, 11 years old,

and I'm taking her to Sunday school.

Back around this time, they still had phone booths

and there was a phone booth outside the service station.

And I look over and I do a double take.

If it wasn't Carl Douglas, the defense attorney,

then he's got a double somewhere.

I live in Simi Valley and everybody knows that's where

the Rodney King trial occurred. So people who are racists,

and who are dirty cops, who plant evidence,

they must live in Simi Valley.

Three times, while I was on the stand, Cochran asked me

about Simi Valley, to tie me into that.

So I look at this and I'm thinking, Well, yeah,

they tried to push this thing.

This is not a racist valley.

In a high profile case, especially one that's televised,

to 55 million people a day. The court wants to maintain

some type of control, I would think.

Not true necessarily in this case.

Stop this cover up.

If you have the defense going to the media

two or three times a day during trial,

going after witnesses, the court should have instructed

all the attorneys, cops, anybody else involved

that they should not talk to anybody about any evidence

at any time in this case until the case is concluded.

Nobody got gagged, except two people.

Me and my partner.

And the defense loved it when we got gagged

and they weren't.

[Rod] Looking at this photograph here,

that bring back any memories.

[Allan] Yeah it does and you know, not good ones.

I'm Allan Park, O.J. Simpson's limousine driver,

the unknown that became the known more than I ever wanted.

The time I left? 11:15.

You wouldn't lie to me when I talk to you, would you?

No.

It was for a 10:45 pickup that night.

No activity in the house or on the property or anything.

I sat there for a little bit, smoked a cigarette.

I saw that there was a um, an intercom system right there

with a telephone. Rang, rang, rang, rang, rang.

No answer, no answer.

Started to ring on the intercom again.

Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring. No answer, no answer.

When I made the first call, you know you're talking,

you know, 10:43 you know, I made the second call 10:44.

Made the third call.

I think we're up to about 10:46 at about that time.

That's when I see a dark figure come across the driveway here

and there you see the paw print, just like we have

in the photograph that's here.

Same pattern was projected onto her back.

- Yeah. - In that photograph.

You just don't speculate and throw ideas out there

to the jury and say, because I said so.

That doesn't cut it.

The one that is going to ensure that she's going to die.

It's right here.

And numerous bruises, abrasions, cuts, stab wounds.

I was ordered to send everything to Judge Ito.

It's the strangest thing.

That's when I see dark figure come across the driveway.

I'm here at the gate looking straight in.

I could see him from about this area here,

is when he comes into view.

- It was a quick walk. - Quick walk.

It wasn't a run, pick up the intercom again

and start to ring. It rang a few times

before he finally picked up and he said, you know,

Hey, hey, man, sorry I overslept.

I just got outta the shower and I'll be down in a minute.

I'm expecting him to open up the gate.

He never buzzed me in, the gate never opened.

And Allan said that he felt something strange.

It didn't fit. You know, he's here to pick someone up,

take 'em to the airport, something he didn't understand.

And it's not too long after I hang up the intercom,

I see another person come out from this walkway out here

up to the driveway.

We all know now it was Kato.

Opens up the gate and lets me in.

Kato's right up on me and he's like, hey man, hey, hey,

did you feel an earthquake?

[Reporter] Kato had not seen O.J. for more than an hour

since their return from McDonald's at 9:35.

[Attorney] Did he seem real excited to have you come?

[Judge] Sustained.

Wouldn't you?

[Allan] Meanwhile OJ still hasn't come out of the house.

At one point Kato tells me that, he goes, well, I was talking

to a girlfriend of mine on the phone.

I heard some thumps on the wall and the picture moved.

And that's about when OJ came out of the house.

[Tom] The word is it occurred about 10:35 give or take.

We had this witness hearing this commotion.

[Allan] When OJ came over to the car, he was uh, I don't know.

A little bit aggitated. He seemed to be sweating.

[Tom] It was warm that night then, you're saying?

[Allan] It was June 12, 11:00 at night.

I was wearing a suit and I wasn't hot.

[Tom] Was he actually sweating?

I'm not the sweat expert.

It's almost laughable. The defense had to do something.

They had their reputations on the line.

The world is watching them, too. What are they gonna do?

Are they gonna roll over and say, yeah, he did it.

That he didn't mean to?

No, they're gonna attack everything.

[Allan] As we're standing there, he overhears Kato asking about

an earthquake again. And that's when O.J. asked.

He goes, oh, we had an earthquake?

It's like, no man, we didn't have an earthquake.

Dude, come on.

Kato is generally, he's scared about something back there.

I can tell. He's really aggitated.

And he really wants to go back there and check it out.

[Tom] Back where?

[Allan] To go see where these, the sounds were on his wall.

O.J. asked him about, you know, we had an earthquake.

I said, no, we didn't have any earthquake.

I hear O.J. clearly say, all right, we'll go check it out.

And he points to Kato to go around here.

He says he's gonna go that way. O.J. follows right behind him.

And I'm like, that's kind of weird.

He just said he was gonna go the other way.

O.J. turns around and as he sees that I'm following him,

he's all, we gotta go. We gotta get out of here.

You know, we're runnin' late.

Kato offered to go get this little, black bag that was

behind the uh, the black car that, that was there,

with the trunk opened.

Simpson abruptly stopped him. Said, no, no. I'll get that bag.

Went himself and grabbed this half-bone shaped travel bag.

We've never seen that bag, what was in it.

No, I thought it was a little bit strange.

When he left American Airlines, the last thing he remembers

seeing is O.J. standing right next to the trash container

at the left of the entrance.

And on top of that trash container is that half

bone-shaped travel bag that the other witness

identifies as being on top of the container.

Says, yeah, I also saw him shove something down

in the trash container.

Prior to the preliminary hearing,

he's interviewed by Marcia, the prosecutor.

And he tells her this. This is the last thing I saw.

That should have been used. Again, to this day,

people say, where is the knife?

Where is the shoes? Where is the clothing?

Well, what did he stick in that trash container?

Tell me in your own words what you think of this whole mess.

I'm nervous.

I know that I'm going on TV in front of the world, you know,

and here my attorney mom is like, oh, isn't this exciting,

you know?

I'm like, no, mom. I'm gonna freakin' puke here.

[Tom] Like two days after this occurs,

you get a phone call from a couple of guys

who say they're lawyers, Bob and Skip.

[Allan] The defense. They were the first ones

- to get ahold of me, yes. - [Tom] Anybody? Simpson?

They said that they were attorneys

and that they were representing Mr. Simpson.

[Tom] Well, when they interview you, nobody ever advised you

that it was being tape recorded.

It was illegal, but they continued on.

This is what you call a fishing expedition.

[Allan] It was like Patty Jo or something that's in charge

of the witnesses.

And she says, well, Marcia's coming back up here.

She wants to talk to you.

Brought a tape recording that the defense did with me.

We listened to the tape all the way through and then you

can hear me hang-up and the tape's still rolling.

And the first thing we hear them say is, well, that's funny.

That's not what O.J.'s telling us.

I mean, we looked at all each other,

Marcia, I and our jaws just dropped.

And the next thing he says,

are you usually sweaty when you get out of the shower?

Bob Shapiro, the defense attorney was involved.

He was called by his nickname was BS, Bob Shapiro.

Why don't we jump to the trial?

Johnny Cochran has you on cross.

They really hammered me on the bags.

You know, they brought in the Louis Vuitton garment bag.

They seemed to have those bags.

[Reporter] O.J.'s lawyers tried to claim the vanished valise

was really this one.

They started asking me firstly is that, is this the bag?

I said, no, that's not the bag.

When they said, the bag, what the bag is he talking to?

The bag that was on the trash can, trying to tell me that,

that's it and they said, and I even told them.

I said, look and that bag's never been used.

It's brand new, still folded and crushed.

It looks like it just came out of a package.

I mean, I can't believe I didn't even see a price tag on it.

Judge Ito is listening to this, but he's doing something.

He's not really paying attention.

I don't know what they were trying to do with the bag thing.

Get you to roll over on it and say, yeah, that was it.

- I never did. - Case closed.

Yeah, never did.

[Tom] I got this shot from Bundy looking westwards,

towards Nicole. We look at this.

There she also bought some Bruno Maglis for herself.

We see all this blood flowing down towards the street.

But in the middle here, there's a lot of prints, okay?

The defense, one of the defense experts came out and said

She takes off for Bruno Maglis and puts them on the table.

When talking about the crime scene, one of the problems

to the LAPD cops who were at the crime scene,

they walked through a lot of blood,

left their footwear impressions all over the place.

[Rod] Nicole's dog got out

and that was the Akita dog named Kato.

All this is he's running up and down in the blood

creating transfers from paw prints.

The dog is frantic.

But there's dozens of them. They're all over.

Yeah, the dog even goes and puts his paws up above her,

the step, bloody paw prints and doesn't go any further,

and drew the feet back.

There you can see the paw prints.

He drew it back. And it's spattered blood.

And then leaves, goes up and down the sidewalk.

There is so much evidence in this case.

Multiple paw prints, bloody paw prints of the dog,

Nicole's dog running up and down traumatized

as to what's going on.

Those are not footprints from a human being.

[Tom] If I was just looking at it objectively,

this needs an explanation.

That's a dog paw going across here.

If I'm gonna look at this crime scene and see anything,

and I'm of the jury or anyone else,

I want to find out what happened.

[Rod] So you experiment. And I made a video.

And we're doing this last experiment on concrete

to simulate the conditions of concrete with the state

of the home with a simulated body in the scene.

And we're gonna have the dog run up close to create patterns

on the back of the subject to see if those patterns match

the one in the scene, if they're from a different source

or if they could be from the source we're gonna create here.

[Rod] Look at the blood that's on the small tree transfer.

So we'll pour the stage blood.

[Rod] And this is a canine deputy.

There you go.

It's animal blood. Gets the dog excited.

And the dog will run around leaving paw prints.

And I pour some more blood there

to see if we can replicate.

And the dog, there you see the paw prints just like

that we have in the photograph that's here.

- Yeah. - And...

And then the same pattern was projected onto her back

as we have here in that photograph.

You just don't speculate and throw ideas out there

to the jury and say because I said so.

That doesn't cut it.

They had a bunch of kids out front during the trial

selling t-shirts, free O.J..

I asked this one kid. Nice kids, actually.

We talked to them a little bit.

We had kind of a back and forth with these kids.

Because they did have a sense of humor.

I'd asked them, you know,

how do sales go in something like this?

And this kid looked me right in the eye and he said,

the longer you have him in there,

the more money I make out here.

So keep going type of thing.

So we went inside. We got stopped halfway in there.

I think it was CNN, a young reporter, a young woman.

And she asked, who are those fellas you were talking to?

I said, well, I'm not supposed to tell anybody,

but these are these four kids. They're witnesses.

And we're trying to get into court, so nobody sees them.

Just screwing with them.

And they come on and they report these four mysterious witnesses

that the prosecutors are trying to sneak into the court.

Now it's the big story of the morning.

[Tom] I'm gonna say that the major controversy

in this whole case was blood on the rear gate.

Do you remember hearing that phrase?

[Rod] Yeah.

I didn't get involved in that issue, but I do know about it.

That's why it's good to have an objective opinion now

on something that I'm about to show you here.

[Reporter] Defense attorney, Barry Sheck illicits testimony

to support his theory that O.J. Simpson was framed.

We had criminalists at the scene,

you had blood everywhere.

Three weeks later, we go on a walk through

and we come to the rear gate, the infamous rear gate.

One of the district attorneys looks down at the lower rung.

And he sees what appears to be blood.

This is three weeks later. And he looks at it.

And he says, well, we better take that.

They collect the sample. It's O.J. Simpson's blood.

So the big question from the defense,

well, why didn't you get this the first time?

It must've been planted, so of course the media runs

with that and everybody else runs with it.

Blood on the rear gate.

The Simpson jury never got an explanation for anything.

This is in seconds, in 12 seconds

is an explanation that

could take some people a month. And you did it in 12 seconds.

Why in the hell they never saw this.

I don't know the answer to that.

[Rod] The door rings or something and she goes out.

Life is over in seconds.

You know you're gonna die.

We hear them say, that's not what O.J.'s telling us.

[Tom] The infamous rear gate. It's O.J. Simpson's blood.

Well, why didn't you get this the first time?

It must've been planted, so of course the media runs

with that and everybody else runs with it.

Blood on the rear gate.

Well, in this one here, I call my bible, my Simpson bible.

It's about details with all of the nonsense

and all of the bureaucracy.

So I put the realities in there with perceptions.

Neglected evidence.

There were 512 additional so-called clues.

So I've got a couple of photos taken on the day of the

crime scene investigation. This is the rear gate.

I don't know how good your sight is,

but if you want to get a magnifying glass.

Oh, I can see what you're talking about.

Can you see something down here?

See a little blood drop?

Three weeks later we had this photograph here.

Same location, same configuration, same blood.

I'm 100% that's the blood drop.

Drops of blood that are a certain distance apart.

You can see the measurement here.

And that still exists in this photograph.

So I wanted them to rebut the planted blood on the rear gate.

They wouldn't do it.

The bottom line is the prosecution did not put this on.

It's very strong when you get accused of planting blood

and you're the investigating officer in a double murder case.

Someone's gotta say something. Someone's gotta get pissed off.

It's as simple as that.

[Rod] It's a pattern.

In other words you have two drops that are distant,

the same measurement apart. Somebody dropped the ball.

Why wasn't this found originally?

They did have the criminalist testify. That's why he was...

Attention was diverted.

It was a mistake that he didn't collect it.

That's too bad, but if somebody turned this around

and made it sound like cops planted this evidence.

We just proved that they didn't.

Why wouldn't they want a jury to look at these two?

The defense has a motion.

Have you ever heard the term, coverup?

[Tom] To get hair samples from myself.

The coverup continues.

[Tom] I don't have all that much.

I think the standard was 40 follicles.

Maybe they'll find me in contempt or something.

Cause I don't even have that many.

He wants some hair samples from us because if hair becomes

an issue in the case, it could be that cops had left it there.

For what? I don't know. Just a dirty cop.

They actually pushed it.

They said we would like blood samples from these cops.

Well, there's only three bloods here of any interest.

The two victims and the suspect, Simpson.

And that's the defense.

And they get away with this crap.

If you gag everybody involved, prevent them from going to the

media three to four times a day,

and putting their own spin on evidence and cops are dirty.

Cops are lying. Cops are planting evidence.

We can't respond to that. We're gagged.

We're investigating this.

If we're dirty, the case against him is lost.

[Nicole] He drove up again. Can you send somebody over?

[Operator] Wait a minute. What kind of car is he in?

[Nicole] He's in a white Bronco.

First of all, he broke the back door down.

But they can't show us any evidence of that.

[Rod] Before the speculation that occurred out there

among the public and experts that one of them said

that this fight between whoever the attacker was

and Nicole Brown Simpson lasted at least 15 minutes.

- 15 minutes is a long time. - Oh, yeah.

When the public was thrown astray,

it messed up the timeline because O.J. Simpson, a suspect

was already at the airport when this fight is still going on,

alledgely type thing. Well, let me show you something.

Took two homicide detectives, put them in white,

used a retracted-bladed knife.

And the instructions were, we want you two to fight.

And we want you to fight as long as you can fight.

So I want to show you something as to how long it takes

for this fight to occur simulating the attack

and the information, the evidence that we had

from the Simpson crime scene.

When that video starts running, we'll say go.

We'll put, put it on this. It'll all be videoed.

And here's your knife.

So watch this.

The cameras are going.

Okay, Ron Goldman walks in.

Here he comes. Hey, hey, hey, hey.

He's stepping in the blood.

There you see the projected stains.

Okay. How long did that take?

Stop time.

Okay, don't step in anything. Just stay there right now.

Now you know how much time that was?

12 seconds.

- How many times is he stabbed? - 30 times.

How long did that take?

- 12 seconds. - 12 seconds.

That's a long time.

Look how much blood is on the person that gets attacked.

And this would be Ron Goldman.

Look how little gets on to this person and where it was,

was around the socks and the shoes.

I still have that clothing.

Took it as evidence to present in the trial to show how little

blood gets on the attacker because it forces away from

and here you have all the blood that's down here.

This is not something where we're just gonna

play around here. No, they fought.

It was almost identical to what my findings were.

Goldman went down.

The person playing Goldman went down by the force from

the person that's stabbing him.

And his feet go up. And he goes down.

And they're moving around in the blood.

Smearing the blood exactly like it was at the scene

for 30 stab wounds, incised wounds in this fight.

There's another transfer pattern here on the north wall,

which at its highest point is

We were very happy that we found this amount of blood

one foot, four and three quarters of an inch high.

[Tom] That kind of takes me back to 3:00 AM on June 12th.

All this blood and everything else.

Someone who gets stabbed this many times, this viciously...

[Rod] This is personal, hate.

[Tom] Because we're assuming if it's hate,

the suspect has to know the victim.

[Rod] You've done the deed.

You've killed the people that you went there to kill.

And then somebody was wrong place, wrong time.

As soon as they got there,

I felt that, that's what happened here.

This wasn't sex.

This wasn't theft. This was revenge, mad, hate.

Notice that these projected stains, they go out to the side,

those that didn't hit the pavement hit the socks.

[Tom] The average person would think there should be

a whole lot of blood on him and there's not.

[Rod] But the victims have a lot of blood on them.

Ron Goldman's covered in blood.

Nicole Brown Simpson is covered in blood.

But the person that you suspected, O.J. Simpson,

where did it have his blood?

On the back of the legs, around the feet,

on the socks.

[Tom] Sure. One or two of the jurors alluded to,

they said that Simpson, if he was the killer would've been

covered in blood.

If they were shown this video,

they might have a different opinion.

How can you question any of this?

And the blood would be on the gloves.

There you go. This doesn't lie.

And there were a lot of people observing it.

This is the grab mark.

[Tom] Yeah. And the Simpson jury never got an explanation

for anything.

You know? You're right.

This here, in seconds, in 12 seconds,

is an explanation that could take some people a month.

And you did it in 12 seconds.

Why in the hell I never saw this?

I don't know the answer to that.

The answer's simple. Put it in the damn evidence.

The first ballot was 10 to 2, actually.

And there were two holdouts that said, we think he was guilty.

It didn't take but an hour and a half for the rest of the jurors

to talk these two into rolling over.

Juror number six just flat out came and said,

I don't believe any of the police witnesses

other than her door? Was it to...

without any further explanation.

They need evidence to show, so they're like,

the glove has his print on it, whatever.

And see the grab mark? Look at the grab mark.

That's a grab mark.

Two of those were on the back of Goldman's shirt.

All they need is one person in that jury box to roll over

and say, hey, I don't think he did it.

There is so much evidence in this case.

[Rod] This wasn't staged.

I mean, we just told them to fight.

[Tom] It's rage.

[Rod] Rage, fear, revenge, theft or sex.

It all fits. It all fits.

Everybody says today, they say, he'd have been covered in blood.

Yeah, look at the projected stain.

Look at the projected stains.

[Tom] If I was in the jury looking at this,

I can say, well, maybe he wouldn't be covered in blood.

You know?

That would be my responsibility to explain that.

Of course, we never saw it.

We never saw it.

Nine months of this and you take four hours

to come to a decision, two of those being lunch.

I don't care whether he was guilty or not guilty,

that means you didn't ask questions.

You didn't ask for inquiries in this, that or the other.

Were they napping? I don't know.

[Reporter] Juror number one shocked the court

by handing over the verdict.

[Tom] Look at the evidence.

A supposition is not evidence. Evidence is evidence.

Come back this soon, they have found him guilty.

And no one can tell me they looked at this evidence

with any amount of curiosity, period.

Some fancy lawyer throws a bunch of nine dollar words at you.

And you're like, boy, he sounds really good.

He can't be lying or whatever else. He's lying.

How could anyone say that he didn't do it?

There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that O.J. Simpson

killed Nicole and Ron. There's no doubt.

[Woman] Not guilty of the crime of murder.

[cheering]

[Woman] It made me very sad.

I felt very sad for the families watching their reactions.

If we go back in history 100 years,

I've never seen anything like this.

I don't care what people think.

But if you really care and you wanna know what happened,

dig a little deeper and see what happened.

Do your own edition.

[Mark] I would like you to listen carefully.

If you don't understand anything, tell me, okay?

Mr. Simpson, you have the right to remain silent.

If you give up the right to remain silent,

anything you say can and will be used against you

in a court of law.