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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:05,120 This programme contains some strong language. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:06,320 LAPPING WATER 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,480 We've been a bit short of music this season 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,560 and tonight we're going to make up for it. 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,400 The piece is called Tubular Bells. 6 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:17,080 It was written by a young Englishman, Mike Oldfield, when he was 17. 7 00:00:17,080 --> 00:00:19,720 He worked for nine months to compose Tubular Bells, 8 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,400 which takes up both sides of this LP. 9 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,880 Oldfield used 20 instruments to make the original recording 10 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,320 of that music, all of which he played himself. 11 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,920 Grand piano, bass guitar, electric guitar, tin whistle, 12 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,240 Hammond organ, it goes on like the Guinness Book Of Records... 13 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,440 It's like yesterday. 14 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,560 It doesn't feel a long time ago at all. 15 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,800 It was such a special time in my life. 16 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:49,120 It was strange - right after I'd finished it, I didn't 17 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:53,320 want to know about it, because it was such a big thing. 18 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:58,920 That kind of got it out of my system and for about, five, even ten years. 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,560 I just...I didn't want to know about it... 20 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:07,320 I find it astonishing that it's lasted this long and I'm here 21 00:01:07,320 --> 00:01:09,640 talking to you 40 years later all about it. 22 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,880 It's very close and dear to my heart. I put on the old tapes, 23 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:19,120 and it's like I'm instantly transformed back to 1972, November 1972, 24 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,280 which was when I started working on it. 25 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,480 MUSIC: "Tubular Bells" by Mike Oldfield 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,200 Very few people knew who he was. 27 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,680 It was sort of talked about in reverential tones. 28 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,400 An album with one track on it, over two sides. 29 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,880 You know - that's different. 30 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,080 It sold millions in the first couple of years of release. 31 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:46,720 But it never stopped selling, so they now quote the figure of 16 million. 32 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,640 In the '70s, everyone had a copy of Tubular Bells. 33 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,960 If you were in any gathering of people for any length 34 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,360 of time, at some point Tubular Bells would come on the turntable. 35 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,360 Virgin going into space most likely wouldn't have existed 36 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,640 if we hadn't had that particular, that particular instrument. 37 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,120 When we made it Michael was a mental wreck. 38 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,080 He would walk round with his eyes wet with tears nearly all the time. 39 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:13,920 He was in a terrible state. 40 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:20,480 Mike had a very difficult time with the fame of Tubular Bells. 41 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,760 Lots of people calling him saying, "We want you to do this, 42 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,000 "we want you to do that..." 43 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,120 "No, go away!" 44 00:02:45,640 --> 00:02:48,040 I was born in Reading, in Berkshire. 45 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,440 In 1953. 46 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,920 The name of the road was Western Elms Avenue. 47 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,240 My father was a doctor, a GP. 48 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,640 My mother used to be a nurse, before she had us. 49 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,240 I've got two older siblings, a brother Terry and a sister Sally. 50 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,560 He was very, very lively, very energetic, always dashing around 51 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,640 and...creating things. 52 00:03:18,640 --> 00:03:22,360 He had a gang of friends and he was the ringleader. 53 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,400 Telling jokes and...he was very outgoing, very extrovert. 54 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:33,680 There was a little bit of music in the family. 55 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,880 There was always a guitar hanging on the wall which my dad would take 56 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:42,240 down every Christmas and he'd play three songs with three chords. 57 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,560 I, you know, played folk guitar, 58 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,320 so I showed Mike the three basic chords. 59 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,840 And I thought, "Well, that will keep him quiet for a few months." 60 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,480 And I think it was about two weeks later, and he was doing this 61 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,000 extraordinary... 62 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,280 you know, running up and down the keyboard, loads of other chords... 63 00:03:58,280 --> 00:03:59,400 He just taught himself. 64 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,040 When I was about 14, and Mike would have been ten then. 65 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,320 Our mother definitely had some problems. 66 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,600 Because I have a lot of memories from that period. 67 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,120 After me, she got pregnant again. 68 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:21,120 I remember feeling her tummy and feeling the baby moving in there. 69 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,560 One day, she just wasn't there and she was gone for a long time. 70 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,520 All I know is we had a garage full of baby things, 71 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,720 and the baby didn't come home. 72 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,040 And we were told he had a hole in his heart 73 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,840 and we were spun all sorts of yarns about it. 74 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,040 Our dad told us that the baby had died 75 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,720 and that Mummy wasn't coming home, she was going to go 76 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,480 to a nice place by the sea. 77 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,320 Then later found out that the boy actually survived for a year... 78 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,480 And he didn't have a hole in his heart, it was Down's Syndrome. 79 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,440 His name was David. 80 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,040 He must have been very frail, cos he only survived for a year or so. 81 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,600 But then when she came home eventually, it was then... 82 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,320 ..the problems started. 83 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,000 She started being prescribed barbiturates 84 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,720 which are lethally addictive. 85 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,840 The doctors prescribed them for insomnia. 86 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:32,480 Sometimes I would go into my mother and father's bedroom 87 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,640 and I'd see her sitting on the bed just rocking 88 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,880 backwards and forwards howling. Almost inhuman. 89 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,080 Then it became very dark, very difficult. 90 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,120 We tended to lock ourselves in our bedrooms 91 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,400 and do our own things, and, I think, that's when Mike... 92 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,680 really started to hone his craft. 93 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,520 Mike just used to play and play and play. 94 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,320 He sort of shut himself in his room a lot. 95 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:08,840 And we didn't see him. 96 00:06:08,840 --> 00:06:11,960 Whenever you went into his bedroom, he would be... 97 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,400 incredibly fast guitar-playing and he became a prolific 98 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,440 guitarist very, very quickly. 99 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,160 We used to travel around with my friends playing in folk clubs 100 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,440 from a very early age. 101 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,440 Got paid �2 a night for a gig there. 102 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,440 I was 16/17, and Mike was 12/13. 103 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,960 We all, actually, at this point were looking up to him. 104 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,120 And, I suppose, being envious of the fact he could 105 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,480 just do this so naturally without seemingly having to put in 106 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,840 any effort or work into it, it just came out of him. 107 00:06:54,840 --> 00:06:56,800 And we were all... 108 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,800 busting a gut, as it were, to try and keep up with him. 109 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,680 MUSIC: "A Sad Song For Rosie" by Sallyangie 110 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,800 It was 1968 and that was a very, very powerful year 111 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,680 in the '60s. 112 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,720 If you wanted to do something, you tended to just go and do it. 113 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,160 I was just coming up to do my Finals and I said, 114 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:30,640 "I don't want to do this any more. 115 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,000 "No, I'm going to be a pop singer. 116 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,440 "I'm going to get a record deal, I want to make record now." 117 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,640 So, I was going to go and see Transatlantic. 118 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,280 I had my demo. Walked in to see... 119 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,400 it was Nat Joseph, who was the MD, and he listened and said, 120 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,960 "Oh, that's interesting, that's really unusual. 121 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,040 "Yes, I'm interested. 122 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,160 "But we need some musicians, I don't think just you and the guitar's 123 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,000 "quite enough." 124 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,200 And I said, "No problem, I've got a younger brother, 125 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,800 "he's a brilliant guitarist, shall I bring him in?" 126 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,280 MUSIC: "Banquet On The Water" by Sallyangie 127 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,640 I first came across Mike Oldfield when he was in this duo 128 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,360 with his sister, Sally, called the Sallyangie. 129 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,000 He was a very fine guitarist - there's no 130 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,400 getting away from that - and he knew it. 131 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,960 And he wanted to be treated with respect. 132 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,360 And he was only bloody 15, you know, come on! 133 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,840 I remember one particular instance, Sally berated him... 134 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,960 At that time, he thought - "I'll hit 1,000 notes," 135 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,560 and Sally would stop and say, 136 00:08:39,560 --> 00:08:42,520 "Too many notes, Michael, you've got too many notes!" 137 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:48,040 London was full of virtuoso guitar players, and he was such 138 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,800 a precocious little prick, he really got up my nose, 139 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:56,000 but he had a great potential. I was quite disappointed 140 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,360 that we didn't hear anything more of them. 141 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,600 The demise started 142 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:07,000 when I had the bright idea that we ought to do a bit of styling. 143 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,160 Unfortunately, went to see a dressmaker and asked her advice, 144 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,720 and she came up with this idea of, er, 145 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,560 pink velvet for me, lime green for Mike. 146 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,360 It didn't go down well at all! 147 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,520 Mike was on to better things by that time! 148 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,840 I next came across Mike when he joined Kevin Ayers' band, 149 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,160 The Whole World. 150 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,640 The Whole World was part of a different scene, a general scene. 151 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,160 # I just came in off the street 152 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,240 # Looking for somewhere to eat... # 153 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:52,840 Kevin was the front man. 154 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:55,920 # I find a small cafe... # 155 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,560 Tall, looking film star-ish. 156 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,720 # Then I say, may I? 157 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,600 # Sit and stare at you? # 158 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,000 Mike was a good bass player. 159 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,360 He had very clear ideas the way he wanted the bass to play. 160 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,040 He said, "I don't want it just going, boom, boom, boom, boom!" 161 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,120 # Sit and stare at you 162 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:19,920 # For a while... # 163 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,320 You've got to remember, I was only 16 when I joined. 164 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,800 To have two strings taken away from me and just four bass strings. 165 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,520 I wasn't happy with that, so I would keep hitting 166 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,760 the bass note of the chord in between, I'd play little melodies. 167 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,320 # That's all. # 168 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:42,560 Around that time, Mike, Sally and I experimented with LSD. 169 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:47,920 Our present opinion about LSD is that LSD is something like an amplifier 170 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:53,560 or catalyst which just manifests the unconscious processes in the brain. 171 00:10:53,560 --> 00:10:58,360 When he was very, very young, he did LSD, and I think that probably had 172 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,360 an effect on him that he... 173 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,040 probably still has resonances even now. 174 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,280 DISCORDANT MUSIC 175 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,640 I was living in a little flat, actually - number one Victoria Square 176 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,200 in Pimlico. 177 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:18,400 And I do remember one extremely disturbing evening where... 178 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,880 people didn't look like anything recognisable. 179 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:26,280 They almost looked like machines, biological machines. 180 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,560 And it completely...disturbed me. 181 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:33,560 SHRIEKING 182 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,320 You never believed a bad trip existed until you had one. 183 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,320 Just your worst fears, your worst nightmares. 184 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,960 You know, hallucinating and all that, you think it's cool 185 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,600 and really good fun until it starts going wrong, and then you think, 186 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,760 "Wow, this is not good." 187 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,240 At the time, when I was 17, it was the end of the world for me. 188 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,560 I didn't know what was going to happen, I was going to cease to exist. 189 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:03,400 "Am I going to die...?" It scared the life out of me. 190 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,600 From that time on, I think he had trouble. It triggered 191 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,960 something in him which created an instability, 192 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,120 which took him years to get over. 193 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,600 He had to transform all that misery 194 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,800 into something... 195 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,600 you know, in his own psyche that kept him sane. 196 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,400 What it did was it made me retreat even more into my music. 197 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:32,400 In a way, music was more real to me than, erm, normal reality. 198 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:38,600 Here's this guy who finds life so hard... 199 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,200 and music is his only escape. 200 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,400 He described the music as a creature. 201 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,480 It's this lovely creature... 202 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,600 who...cuddles up against me and makes me feel better. 203 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:01,400 I moved into the house 204 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,320 with Kevin Ayers on the top of Seven Sisters Road. 205 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,000 The deal was - Kevin would do the cooking, 206 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,600 and we had to do the washing up. 207 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,920 That lasted - not that long - maybe six, nine months, I suppose. 208 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,320 And then one day, erm, Kevin came to me 209 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,360 and he said, "This is not working for me..." 210 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,760 And he, basically, disbanded the group. 211 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,000 And, erm... 212 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,800 but part of that, he offered to lend me his tape recorder. 213 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,960 It was a simple tape recorder - two tracks. 214 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,360 "I can make some demos, I've got a tape recorder." 215 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:35,760 So, I took it up to my little room. 216 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,600 I also borrowed the Farfisa organ from the keyboard player. 217 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:44,680 And then I was thinking, 218 00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:48,680 "I want to make some repetitive thing at the front." 219 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:51,520 Thought of A Rainbow In Curved Air, Terry Riley... 220 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,160 This sort of underground synthesiser 221 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:57,960 or the birth of the synthesiser. 222 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,880 And, erm, I just played it straightaway, like this... 223 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,320 MUSIC: "Tubular Bells" by Mike Oldfield 224 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,440 That is the Farfisa organ, these are the original tapes. 225 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:14,360 For Tubular Bells. 226 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:19,280 I made the demos, I took them to EMI. 227 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,400 There was a chap there called Nick Mobbs who kind of quite liked it, 228 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,520 and he said he'd get back to me but never did. 229 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:31,040 Erm...I remember taking them to CBS who just thought I was crazy, 230 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,040 cos it...it didn't have any vocals, didn't even have any drums. 231 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:36,640 And I gave up then. 232 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:43,480 So, what's interesting about this story is how the two main 233 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,160 protagonists come to meet. 234 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:50,840 You have Mike Oldfield, retreated in his bedroom writing 235 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:56,320 his masterwork, and there you have Richard Branson who is also obsessed - 236 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,440 he's obsessed with getting on with his future. 237 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,480 He's been doing the Student magazine 238 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:05,160 and he's looking for a business opportunity. 239 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,360 I decided not to risk launching the first issue of Student 240 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,560 unless we had managed to get hold of enough cash from advertising 241 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,920 to cover both printing and paper costs. 242 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:19,520 He started a magazine called Student which was a DISASTER! 243 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:23,480 Nothing he'd done up until then had really succeeded. 244 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,080 We'd started a mail-order company that would sell any record 245 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:32,320 from any record manufacturer for 10%, 25% less than the commercial price. 246 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:37,160 He was a chancer. He was prepared to gamble and go for it. 247 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:41,040 He was perceived as a visionary, putting it all together. 248 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:45,360 But, really, he was importing records illegally and flogging them. 249 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,120 He was a second-hand car salesman. 250 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,480 Being independent, one of the major advantages we have is that 251 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,960 we can make policy decisions quickly. 252 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,520 If we want to produce a record we don't have to have 253 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,640 a mass of meetings, we can immediately say, 254 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,720 "Yes, let's go ahead and produce it." 255 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,480 So, the saga continues that Richard Branson looks to investing 256 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:09,400 in The Manor, the first proper live-in, recording studio in Britain. 257 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:20,760 I found The Manor in... it was in the Country Life magazine. 258 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,080 Richard was 19, I was 29... 259 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,240 We'd bought his old manor house in Oxford. 260 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,920 I'd managed to get a mortgage from the bank and then 261 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,320 on the second mortgage managed to find... 262 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,320 ..er, an aunt to lend us $10,000 on a second mortgage. 263 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:50,280 We thought that silver-spoon Richard had got all this easily, 264 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,200 but he had to pay back 265 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,120 about 5% above the bank rate to Auntie Joyce on a regular basis. 266 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:57,800 She gave him no favours at all. 267 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:01,720 And, lo and behold, who goes there but Mike Oldfield. 268 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:03,880 Doing some recording as a session man. 269 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,680 Michael came to me with this little reel. 270 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,640 He was very bad at social intercourse. 271 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,640 And he poked his face and he was like, 272 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,880 "You've got to listen to this!" he said. 273 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,200 And I said, "Ah!" 274 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,280 HE LAUGHS "All right, I'll listen to this." 275 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,000 And it was a little three-inch reel. Yeah. 276 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,400 The sort of tape you used to send to your mummy in Australia - 277 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,680 "Hello, Mum." You know, that kind of stuff. 278 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,920 BOTH LAUGH 279 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:33,000 And I said, "All right, I'll listen to it." "Now!" he said. So, I... 280 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,280 I...we were all stopped, so I took it upstairs anyway. 281 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,040 And listened to it on a tape recorder I had upstairs. 282 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:44,000 And I was just captivated. It was the most beautiful piece of music. 283 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,960 I mean, to this day, I can still hear it in my head. 284 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:48,840 They made a copy... 285 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,640 They kept a copy and they said, "We'll speak to...Richard... 286 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,840 "Simon Draper, and we'll let you know." 287 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,240 I took it into London next time I went to London. 288 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:06,320 And played it to Richard...no, I didn't play it to Richard, actually, 289 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,040 because we all knew that Richard wouldn't know... 290 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,480 No, no, we didn't play it to Richard. No! We played it to Simon. 291 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,600 Yes. The other Simon, Simon Draper. 292 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,280 Tom played me the demo and I loved it and I thought 293 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:26,000 this was absolutely bound to be...successful. I had no... 294 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,040 real means of gauging what success meant, 295 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,240 but I just knew this thing would make an impact. 296 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,840 We discussed the problem of Richard being...being Richard! 297 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,280 Whose favourite record was Bachelor Boy. 298 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,600 # He said, son You are a bachelor boy 299 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,560 # And that's the way to stay... # 300 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,800 When I went to work at Virgin, I had quite strong views 301 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,880 about what sort of record label we should start. 302 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,400 The only person there who knew very little about music was Richard. 303 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,040 I don't think he even had a record player at home. 304 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:03,760 I got a call from Simon Draper, who had heard the demo tape 305 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,840 of Tubular Bells, and he was excited by this tape 306 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,360 and wanted to come over to the houseboat to play it to me. 307 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:14,200 PHONE RINGS 308 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,400 I picked up the phone, and it was Simon Draper. 309 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,880 And he said, "We've been listening to your demos..." 310 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,560 I said... 311 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,280 And he said, "We'd like you to come over to Richard's boat 312 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,200 "to have dinner." And I said, "Oh, all right, then." 313 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:32,480 We said we loved it, we didn't really have any spare money 314 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,360 to record his album, but we told him just to go and live at The Manor, 315 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:40,680 and in between recording sessions, he could record his album. 316 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,600 I said, "Well, I am going to need some instruments." 317 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,600 And he said, "Just write down what you need, and we'll get it for you." 318 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,040 We were a bit astounded at all these instruments that Mike was ordering, 319 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,200 cos he needed a lot of instruments. 320 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,240 Acoustic guitar... 321 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,880 Spanish guitar... Electric guitar, bass guitar... 322 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,200 And they looked horribly expensive to me. 323 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,800 And later on, there was a concert timpani... 324 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,760 there was a glockenspiel... 325 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,520 Glockenspiel... 326 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,680 �9. Possibly mandolin, I'm not sure. 327 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,600 We didn't know anything about anything. 328 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,680 We were fighting to survive in those days. 329 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:24,040 There was a truck which was, erm, delivering my stuff and taking 330 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:28,280 out stuff of the previous musician, who was John Cale. 331 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,400 As they were taking his stuff out, I just watched this set 332 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:37,040 of Tubular Bells going past, and I just said to the chap, 333 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,680 "Er...can you leave those?" 334 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,920 Never though that the word tubular bells was going to play 335 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,400 such an important part in our lives, and even for the fact that, 336 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,680 I suppose, that...like Virgin going into space most likely wouldn't have 337 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,840 existed if we hadn't had that particular... 338 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,320 that particular instrument! 339 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,920 And, erm, there I was in a real studio, which I could use... 340 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,520 a proper multi-track studio, 16 tracks. 341 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:06,920 And I was amazed that so quickly Mike had gone from this little 2-track 342 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,600 in his bedroom to this huge mixing desk, cos in those days, 343 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:11,840 they were vast. 344 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,520 This is the original master. 345 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,560 The piano was recorded to a clockwork metronome ticking away. 346 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,160 And, erm, I've got live bass here... 347 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,600 And, er, can play around with some keyboards. 348 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,360 Starts off with the piano, familiar piano... 349 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:32,560 then a glockenspiel comes in, and the Farfisa organ, so... 350 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,200 MUSIC: "Tubular Bells" by Mike Oldfield 351 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:40,960 And the glock... 352 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:43,520 And the Farfisa... 353 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,160 It's the same old pattern here... 354 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,880 And I've got the live bass now... 355 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,040 And a little harmony comes in there... 356 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:34,760 And then we wanted to have... 357 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,400 it was supposed to be... you know when... 358 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,160 Erm, horns go "Ba!" like in, you know, those... 359 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,440 big-band sound, but we couldn't have a horn section, so I just sort of... 360 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,320 organ, miked it up. 361 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,680 Played it really loud like "DA!" like that, you see. 362 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,320 HE COUGHS 363 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,240 And then...this is the introduction of that 3/4 time. 364 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,080 To me, that represented a human heartbeat 365 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,000 made on the left-hand of a piano. 366 00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:34,880 If you can listen, the piano's going... 367 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,920 "Dum," like a heartbeat. 368 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:47,800 And then, erm... 369 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,800 Bit later on...just coming up, guitars start, 370 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,280 the thing builds up to a big climax. 371 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,120 What we are listening to here is unmixed, so it's just completely 372 00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:00,720 as it was recorded. 373 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,760 But, erm...I can plug in my guitar and I'll show you that if you like. 374 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,560 Hang on a minute... 375 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,080 CLATTER Ah! 376 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,680 Whoops. 377 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,560 LAUGHTER 378 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,360 Idiot. 379 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,880 There's the guitar, I missed it, you see. 380 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,160 Then... 381 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,160 Then we've got these two, erm... 382 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,200 fuzzy guitars coming in in a minute. 383 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,920 And it builds up to the big climax. 384 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,600 I think those start on this... 385 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,720 And then there's a lead up... 386 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,320 The melody comes in, the flute comes in... 387 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,200 and then, I was telling you yesterday about this organ chord 388 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,680 that's supposed to go... 389 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,640 "Whoo...!" like that. There it is... 390 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,720 And the big beautiful melody comes... 391 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,680 The point really, I suppose, that people would not understand 392 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,280 was that when we made it, Michael was a mental wreck. 393 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,040 He would walk round with his eyes wet with tears nearly 394 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,280 all the time, he was in a terrible state. 395 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,920 He found it an enormous disquiet. 396 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,560 About the idea of being mortal flesh. And yet what was going on 397 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:22,200 in his head was...eternal and beautiful and everlasting, you know. 398 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,840 And that really...my heart went out to him. 399 00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:33,040 He always had fag packets in his pocket 400 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,440 and he would suddenly stop and he would write in tiny little writing - 401 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,680 he'd slash five staves on it and write a little tune on it. 402 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,400 And put it back in the fag packet and then...carry on. 403 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,360 So...he was constantly...you know... 404 00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:50,560 er, working. 405 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,440 What's so interesting about Tubular Bells, if you view it 406 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:11,560 in totality, it's like a compendium of tunes, textures, ideas. 407 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,360 There's a honky-tonk piano, you see. 408 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:17,880 That's all the kitchen staff from The Manor. 409 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,240 CROWD HUMMING 410 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,520 Got them all in from their cooking and... 411 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,080 that was a honky-tonk piano like my grandma's. 412 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,240 Oldfield had been sort of working up to this point for a number of years, 413 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,880 so not surprisingly, 414 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,520 therefore, you get elements of the school band in it. 415 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,400 You remember that - "Dum, de, dun, de, dun, da, da, da"? 416 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:49,840 I like this bit... 417 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,400 I'll turn it up... 418 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,760 You see, it's got everything in it. It's got the pub piano, it's got 419 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,480 the, you know, the thrash rock. 420 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,320 The big question when you've got this compendium of tunes 421 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,920 is how do you find a kind of climax point? 422 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,720 How do you find a tune which is going to burn a hole in people's souls? 423 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,840 DEEP BASS CHORDS 424 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,400 I mean, the tension there, you see. Yeah, it's phenomenal, isn't it? 425 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,040 This is the build-up to the riff. 426 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,680 This is the build-up to the bass guitar riff... 427 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,400 The bass line was very hard work. 428 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:49,200 Because the one I hired wasn't particularly nice to play. 429 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,440 I had to play it all in one go for about seven minutes. 430 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,760 And that whole part, right from there to the very end, 431 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,160 was all in one take. 432 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,040 See, even now... 433 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,440 my muscles are starting to tire. 434 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,160 Feel a little bit of sweat coming out of my... 435 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,000 But I had to keep going on... 436 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,400 So I'm starting to get tired now. 437 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,320 Had to keep going... 438 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,520 The accident of getting Vivian Stanshall involved in that 439 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:08,520 was great as well. 440 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,640 Vivian was with the Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band, 441 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,600 and they'd been recording already. 442 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,720 Vivian was around and getting drunk, 443 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,600 cos he could drink a bottle of brandy, you know, for tea. 444 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,640 You couldn't keep him out of anything, he would just blunder in 445 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,840 and, "Hello, dear boy, what's going on in here?" 446 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,200 HE IMITATES GUFFAW And that was it, you had to give in to him. 447 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:36,120 HORN MUSIC 448 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,800 And from behind the magnificent 20th-century Norman portal, 449 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,480 you'll find the downstairs lavatory and me seated, 450 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,240 toying with my worms. 451 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,360 Michael said to me, "Wouldn't it be great to get Vivian to introduce 452 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,360 "the instruments?" 453 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,880 I said, "Well, go and ask him?" 454 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,240 "I'm sc... Oh! I can't do that, I'm scared!" 455 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,000 BOTH LAUGH 456 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,400 And eventually, I made him go and ask him. 457 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,240 I said, "Go and ask him, go and ask him. 458 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,280 "Ask him. Say you want a slug of his brandy." 459 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,200 While you're watching, why not have a glass of Chateau Tilbury? 460 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,520 At river temperature, it's absolutely delicious. 461 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,240 I just gave him the words and... I wrote them down... 462 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,040 just the cast in order of appearance. 463 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,600 It starts with the grand piano. 464 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,240 We could not cue the fucker at all. It was a nightmare. 465 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,880 He was impossible. He was... 466 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,480 "Oh, grand piano!" In completely the wrong place, you know. 467 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,160 Next comes in at the beginning, reed and pipe organ. 468 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,480 VIVIAN: Reed and pipe organ. 469 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:36,800 "Reed and pipe organ." 470 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,640 HE LAUGHS I love it! 471 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,600 I couldn't believe my luck, especially when he said, 472 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,080 "Plus tubular bells," and the bells hit. 473 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,080 I-I was over the moon, cos he just sounded so perfect. 474 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,440 Plus...tubular bells. 475 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,960 The thing about the tubular bells is that it's an instrument 476 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,760 that normally is quite far back in an orchestra. 477 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,800 And, you know, in this case, we wanted the tubular bells to be 478 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,120 the loudest instrument. 479 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,200 We had a lot of arguments about that, me and Tom. 480 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,840 He was asking for the impossible, virtually. 481 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,000 Within the technology we had. Nearly came to blows about it, you know. 482 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,080 It's got to be loud, and the bell's got to be that loud. 483 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,200 I don't care if we had to bring the whole track down... 484 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,160 And then he would say, "Then it will sound too quiet on the radio." 485 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,000 It doesn't matter...the bell... 486 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,960 Let them turn all...all them turn their radios up. 487 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,640 I said... 488 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,640 Cos they come with this neat little hammer with the leather on one end. 489 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,200 And copper on the other end, I think, and it was... 490 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,760 even hitting it with the copper didn't work. 491 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,960 So, we got a real hammer. Got a real claw hammer, a bloody great... 492 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,360 BOTH LAUGH 493 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,440 ..12-ounce claw hammer. I said, "Look, just hit it..." 494 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,880 Here we have the bell... 495 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,680 Tubular bells... 496 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,520 BELL CHIMES 497 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,560 We worked all night, 498 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,440 finished side one about eight or nine in the morning. 499 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,640 And, erm...a copy was sent off to London, and I didn't hear 500 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,720 anything until... 501 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:42,720 that evening. 502 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,640 Richard's reaction to the first side of Tubular Bells was, 503 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,320 "It hasn't got any vocals on it." 504 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,520 It was a major nightmare in his head about what we do with this. 505 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,080 We went to the Midem Music Conference in Cannes 506 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,040 in order to try and gauge interest in our product. 507 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,880 We hadn't released anything, 508 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,480 obviously, at this point. And see whether we could set up 509 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,040 overseas licensing deals. 510 00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:15,720 I definitely remember when I took the tape 511 00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:18,520 around some record companies, one of the record company bosses 512 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,800 saying he wanted to put some vocals on it. 513 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,160 If we put some vocals on it, he would sign Mike up. 514 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,720 What Richard did when he came back. He said, "Should we try and put vocals on it?" 515 00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:31,760 And he may well have mentioned it to Mike, 516 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,200 but I don't think anyone else thought this was a good idea. 517 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,560 And...certainly Mike didn't. 518 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,480 Eventually, it was decided I could stay on in the house, 519 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,600 and whenever the studio wasn't being used, I could go in 520 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,360 and work on Side Two of Tubular Bells. 521 00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:57,080 I had all the sections mapped out. 522 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:02,000 I had the Caveman mapped out. I had the beautiful, peaceful tune. 523 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,600 When the time came to choose the sleeve, the design and so on, 524 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,720 we introduced Mike to Trevor Key. 525 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,360 He did all this on his own. 526 00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:18,000 And I just looked at it and went, "Oh, wow!" 527 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,080 My jaw dropped at just how amazingly beautiful it was. 528 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,600 This is a real...an actual real object, 529 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,120 which was built, but then it was chromium-plated... 530 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,240 As I understand it, it didn't have a back, so it wasn't like... 531 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:35,360 completely solid all the way round. 532 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,720 Trevor asked me, "What kind of typeface?" 533 00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:40,880 And I said, "I don't want it big, plastered all over it. 534 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,080 "Leave this beautiful picture. 535 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,560 "You can put Tubular Bells..." 536 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,920 I chose the colour... "And put my name very small." 537 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,400 Cos I didn't want the type to destroy the image, you see. 538 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,600 Tubular Bells became the premiere Virgin release, there it was. 539 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,960 V2001, 25th of May 1973, 540 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,280 the label was launched with this piece of music. 541 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,520 An album with one track on it, over two sides. 542 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,080 You know, that's different. 543 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,360 Richard Branson rang me up - 544 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,160 "How would you like to come up to my recording studio 545 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,760 "and meet Mike Oldfield?" 546 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,160 Now, Mike was hard work. 547 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:30,960 He didn't want to answer the sort of questions I wanted to ask. 548 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,200 (MUMBLES) You know what I mean... 549 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:38,520 I remember I hated it. He was asking me all these personal questions. 550 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,080 "Tell me about Tubular Bells." 551 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,160 Mumble, mumble, mumble. 552 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,800 He was not the greatest interviewee in the world, 553 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,080 especially at this time. 554 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,000 "Why did you write Tubular Bells?" 555 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,160 What a weird question. 556 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,880 It's a bit silly, isn't it? 557 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,280 I think it is. 558 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,320 I can't imagine me asking such a question, it's a stupid question. 559 00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,760 Er... 560 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,600 I racked my brains for 20 minutes and I couldn't think... 561 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,800 There wasn't a reason. 562 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,120 I didn't want to have a... 563 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,880 I didn't do it for that, you know, it's just... 564 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:12,880 HE SIGHS 565 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,720 And at the end, I said, "How was that? 566 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:17,480 "It wasn't all that painful, was it?" 567 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,600 He said, "I feel as if I've been raped." 568 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,480 I was taken into a room by Richard, Tom... 569 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,000 I think the lot of them, and they sat me down and said, 570 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,680 "You are going to have to do this live." 571 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,840 I said, "No, absolutely not." 572 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,400 I'd become a bit of a rebel by that time. 573 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,800 I hadn't realised quite how big a problem that we had with Mike. 574 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,800 To be frank, he had a sort of mental problem 575 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,080 and he wouldn't disagree with that, 576 00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,200 at that time. 577 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,080 He said he didn't want to go on tour, but he agreed to do one concert. 578 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,200 I was pushed and pushed, and there was no getting out of it. 579 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,480 "Oh, what have I let myself in for?" 580 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,840 We assembled a group of musicians, many of whom were signed 581 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,200 to the label by this time, so it was members of Hatfield 582 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,960 and The North, Henry Cow, and then Mick Taylor played guitar on it. 583 00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:18,560 The Queen Elizabeth Hall was suggested - nice size, 584 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,040 predominantly a classical venue. 585 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,840 Interesting, isn't it, that Branson decided that for the one live 586 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,240 appearance of Tubular Bells, it should be in one of the great, 587 00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:31,240 hallowed bastions of culture. 588 00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:33,720 Yeah, he wouldn't put it in a rock venue. 589 00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:36,720 So, it's quite a strong statement behind that, I think - he wanted it 590 00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:39,040 to be seen as a piece of...artwork. 591 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:46,360 I'd started getting nervous about it by then, cos I was thinking, 592 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,560 "Oh, my God, I've got to do this live." 593 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,880 There was no sampling then, no backing tracks, 594 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,080 you had to... 595 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,960 you all had to play everything. 596 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,640 As we got closer to the gig, Michael got more and more scared, I mean, 597 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,240 he was really scared. 598 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,680 I remember the rehearsals, we were going over and over this piece, 599 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,280 and Mike suddenly burst into tears and left the room, 600 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,080 because he just couldn't handle it, he was so emotionally... 601 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:15,880 ..it was so difficult for him. 602 00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:24,040 I'd been given an old beaten-up Bentley for my wedding present. 603 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,160 So I was driving him to the concert, and suddenly he turned to me 604 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:34,200 and said, "Richard, I'm sorry, I just can't do it. I just can't do it." 605 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,440 And this was about an hour and a half... 606 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,200 and the concert was sold out, and I kept driving, and he just said, 607 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,840 "Richard, you're not taking me seriously. I'm not going on stage." 608 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,640 And I was just desperately trying to think, 609 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,560 "What the hell do I do now?" 610 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,600 And then I just turned to him and said, "Look, Mike, if I give you 611 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,240 "the keys to this car, and you can drive this car off after 612 00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:58,360 "the concert, do you think you can overcome whatever's bothering you?" 613 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,040 ANNOUNCER: Our Live from London radio concert comes tonight from 614 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,960 The Queen Elizabeth Hall. 615 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:09,280 And features Michael Oldfield performing his composition, Tubular Bells. 616 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,280 We got up on the stage and started... 617 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,520 MUSIC: "Tubular Bells" by Mike Oldfield 618 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,080 David Bedford came in out of time, and Mick Taylor's guitar 619 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,680 wasn't quite in tune... 620 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:34,280 I was just waiting for the silence and the boos. 621 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,880 Fruit they were going to throw at me, cos it was so awful. 622 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,640 And the...just to my amazement, there was this roar. 623 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,440 APPLAUSE AND WHISTLING 624 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,600 Everybody...standing ovation, straightaway, it was instant. 625 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,440 We all had tears in our eyes, and, you know, 626 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,560 Tubular Bells was born, Mike Oldfield was born, 627 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,320 Virgin Records was born... 628 00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,080 He couldn't understand it. He said, "What the fuck are they standing up clapping for? 629 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,760 "That was crap!" I mean, he was really amazed. 630 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,200 I felt that I'd done it so badly that... 631 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,920 ..perhaps I didn't deserve that... 632 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,240 ..you know, that reaction, that reward. 633 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,600 John Peel came to the boat one day. 634 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,840 Simon and myself played him the whole album, 635 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,320 and he absolutely loved it and he chose to play the whole album 636 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,680 on his radio show, which was unheard of. 637 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,280 I've been introducing Top Gear for nearly six years now, 638 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,680 but I think that that is... 639 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,640 certainly one of the most impressive LPs I've ever had the chance 640 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,440 to play on the radio. 641 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,920 Really a remarkable record from Mike Oldfield 642 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,280 and one of the first releases on the new Virgin label. 643 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,880 John Peel was responsible for breaking so many bands. 644 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,320 It was a very influential club, it was a very select club. 645 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,320 It was like, "Let me let you in on this secret." 646 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:58,240 I remember a kid coming into school with a copy of Tubular Bells, 647 00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:01,800 and us all just looking at the sleeve and thinking, "What is it?" 648 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,240 We had a mate's house we'd go to. He lived near school. 649 00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:10,360 So we were able to get a fix at lunchtime, as well. 650 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,520 And we'd go off and listen to it there. 651 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,440 Records used to happen through word of mouth then. 652 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,800 Somebody would buy it, take it home, play it, and another person 653 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,160 would then want to buy it. 654 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,640 There was no internet or no communication like that. 655 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,960 It just began to explode, it evolved. 656 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,280 I can remember going to an Italian restaurant in Little Venice 657 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,960 with Richard shortly before the record actually came out. 658 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,480 And we were trying to guess what it would sell 659 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,240 and we absolutely had no idea. We knew nothing about the industry 660 00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:39,240 but thought we might sell 4,000 copies. 661 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,960 It took a while, you see. It crept and crept and crept. 662 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,960 It didn't do it like things do nowadays, they go in at number one. 663 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,040 It took about, probably, a year. 664 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,480 It was quite a warm summer, and I can remember hearing it 665 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,800 coming out of windows, 666 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,400 and you thought, "Boy, this is happening. 667 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:57,400 "This is word of mouth." 668 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,040 But I think what made it different was the fact 669 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,400 it sort of kept on going. 670 00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:06,880 It started to attract 671 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:11,000 much bigger audiences. It became a talking point. 672 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,680 I suppose as it started getting successful, I was thinking, 673 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,400 maybe I'd had the opportunity 674 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,880 to not get involved and do the... 675 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,960 be a star or anything but just to get out, go away. 676 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:31,040 Mike had a very difficult time with the fame of Tubular Bells. 677 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,880 He locked himself on the top of the remotest hill he could find 678 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,680 in Wales! 679 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,560 And lots of people calling him, saying, 680 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,080 "We want you to do this, we want you to do that." 681 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,200 "No, go away!" 682 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,840 Every year, it seems, a film is released with scenes 683 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,720 in it so disgusting or so disturbing 684 00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:57,360 that controversy is stirred up over whether it should be shown or not. 685 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,920 A strong contender for the title this year is this film 686 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:02,880 The Exorcist, which was released yesterday in London. 687 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,760 The Exorcist, which was one of the biggest box-office hits 688 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,440 of all time, opened late in 1973. 689 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,360 But very close to the opening, 690 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,680 they'd thrown out the original score and were looking 691 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,400 for music to fill the gap. 692 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,000 The director, William Friedkin, 693 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,880 was in the offices of Ahmet Ertegun, head of Atlantic Records 694 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,160 in America. 695 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,240 And he came across an anonymous record with a white label. 696 00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:26,000 And he took it out the sleeve and he put it on the record player 697 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,680 there in Ertegun's office and he put the needle on, 698 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,160 and it went, "Da, dum, dum, dum..." 699 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:32,680 and he went, "That!" 700 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,080 Mum, you should have seen this, a man came along 701 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,680 on this beautiful grey horse... 702 00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,240 Firstly, he heard, the childlike thing, 703 00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:41,560 cos, obviously, the centre of The Exorcist is the story 704 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,560 of a young girl who's possessed by some demon. 705 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,680 The second thing he heard 706 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,560 was that the notes are very simple, but there is something 707 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,520 about the time structure 708 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,120 that's...that's odd. 709 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,320 The way it is, it's one bar, seven, one bar, eight. 710 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,560 So it'll be... 711 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,360 IN TIME WITH UNDERSCORED MUSIC ..one, two, three, four, five, six, SEVEN, 712 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,000 one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, 713 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,000 ONE, two, three, four, five, six, SEVEN... 714 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:11,560 If that was just two simple bars, all of eight notes each bar, 715 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,840 the brain would switch off after a while, but because every other one 716 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,840 trips you up, you can't not concentrate on it. 717 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,600 I think I'll walk home tonight. OK. 718 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,000 Take that, drop it by my house. 719 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:26,480 'There's a couple of moments when it appears. 720 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,560 'Chris comes walking down the street.' 721 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,400 As she comes round the corner and starts walking down the street, 722 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,320 you hear... # Dun dun dun der-dun... # 723 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,520 SOUNDTRACK REPLACES SUNG VERSION 724 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,560 'There are these kind of strange little gusts of wind. 725 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,680 'A group of kids run by wearing Halloween marks 726 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,320 'which is sort of an indicator of stuff that's to come.' 727 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:50,920 KIDS YELL EXCITEDLY 728 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,920 'There's a low-angle shot of nuns with their habits 729 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,600 'blowing in a slightly Gothic way.' 730 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,400 Later on, when the doctors are trying to diagnose what's happened 731 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,520 to Regan, you see a closed-circuit television feed of her 732 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,160 in a hospital bed raging. 733 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,280 It looks like a type of disorder that's rarely ever seen any more, 734 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:22,600 except in primitive cultures. We call it somnambular form possession. 735 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:26,200 'And so you have this really strange thing which is these very' 736 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:29,560 brief uses of that piece of music. 737 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,760 Somehow it becomes the theme from The Exorcist. 738 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:37,440 The Exorcist was hugely important in breaking Mike in America. 739 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,720 The album went top five. I mean, it won the Grammy 740 00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:42,800 for Best Instrumental Album. 741 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:47,760 And at that juncture, Mike could've gone and capitalised on that 742 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,920 and could've been a huge American star. 743 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,960 After The Exorcist, where obviously he'd become very well-known, 744 00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,520 I think he was really in quite a bad way. 745 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,760 I think, really, he had nobody to turn to. 746 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,600 He seemed very distressed, he seemed very alone. 747 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,120 It wasn't unusual to find him on his own, 748 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,920 because we'd always known he'd lock himself in his bedroom 749 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,520 and do his music, but it was a very different type of loneliness, 750 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:20,800 I got the impression. 751 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,400 I do remember my mother coming and visiting, 752 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,000 and she was going very much downhill at the time. 753 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,040 And I do remember sitting in a car with her... 754 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,120 That's probably the last time I saw her, actually. 755 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,680 I was suffering too, and she looked at me and she said, 756 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,360 "You know what it's like, Mike, don't you?" 757 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,600 And I said, "Yeah...yeah, I do." 758 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,440 And then, of course, the question came, you know...the follow-up. 759 00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,680 We were talking about Tubular Bells, but the follow-up was a nightmare. 760 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,680 What Mike needed - and obviously what Virgin needed as well - 761 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,680 was for Mike not to be just known for Tubular Bells, 762 00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,760 and it was important that Tubular Bells... 763 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,680 the name "Tubular Bells" didn't become bigger than Mike Oldfield. 764 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,560 Richard was so eager for me to do something that... 765 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,400 I looked at the first thing and I said, 766 00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,480 "What's that?" "Oh, it's Hergest Ridge." 767 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,000 "All right. Well, I'll do an album called Hergest Ridge 768 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,920 "and I'll make it about kind of old, legendary things, 769 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,600 "and it'll have little whistles in it 770 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,960 "and things that sound like wild horses and all that." 771 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,320 He didn't want to do a follow-up that quickly, because it was... 772 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,680 he'd drained himself. He'd spent himself completely. 773 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,680 I was kind of disappointed with lots of the ideas I was coming up with, 774 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,120 waiting for...you know, "the big one". 775 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,120 Didn't realise that I'd already done the big one. 776 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,200 It's really tough to follow such an enormous album like Tubular Bells. 777 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,040 It didn't capture people's imagination 778 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,720 in the same way that Tubular Bells did. 779 00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:11,000 To be honest, it's not my favourite album, either. 780 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:15,800 I remember I was recording with Tom, and we kind of got bored. 781 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,560 It was a nice, sunny day, so we went flying model aeroplanes instead. 782 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,160 After Ommadawn, his third album, 783 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,480 we then went through a sort of lull period for a while. 784 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,480 We had other artists that did reasonably well, but we then needed... 785 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,560 we needed a new shot in the arm. 786 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,880 # Babylon's burning 787 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,680 # You're burning the street 788 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:45,600 # You'll burn your houses with anxiety... # 789 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,680 By the time we got to punk, the reaction was, 790 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,360 "Don't play me that hippy shit." 791 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,080 # Babylon's burning Babylon's burning... # 792 00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,480 The whole thing with punk was three chords and the truth 793 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:55,960 in and out under three minutes. 794 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,920 The idea of putting on one side of an album 795 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,960 and it being one piece of music was complete anathema. 796 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,080 The whole punk thing happened, and they were calling me 797 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,480 rude names in the press for no reason. 798 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:13,080 We had The Sex Pistols and Magazine and The Skids and so on, 799 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,920 The Ruts. Virgin started having a lot of hit singles. 800 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,400 I must say I felt betrayed, because Richard suddenly 801 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,680 jumped on that bandwagon, and Virgin became the punk label. 802 00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,080 After a year or two, I'd just run out of steam 803 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:30,560 and I didn't know what to do, and I got really...depressed. 804 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:35,120 I started maybe drinking too much alcohol. 805 00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,800 It was in about 1978, I got involved with this 806 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,560 self-awareness group called Exegesis. 807 00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:46,280 TV ANNOUNCER: This group of 58 people has just completed a seminar 808 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,680 which many of them now believe has transformed their lives. 809 00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,440 It lasted three days and cost them �175 each. 810 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,160 One of their...they called them "processes" 811 00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,120 seemed to me a combination of primal scream therapy 812 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,880 and rebirth therapy. 813 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,960 This seminar does not function under the same laws and rules 814 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,880 that your life does out there. 815 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:12,160 I had to lie down on the floor, and he said, "OK, it's the time now." 816 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,160 I thought, "Oh, my God, it's going to be 817 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,720 "like facing a firing squad for me." You know, it's terrifying. 818 00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:21,640 He said, "Just start making a noise." 819 00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:25,080 Start to put the feelings of your body into a sound. 820 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,400 'Gradually, the noise I made became louder and louder and louder 821 00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:30,640 'until it turned into' 822 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,280 a kind of a shouting and then it turned, after a few minutes, 823 00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,880 into a scream like you wouldn't believe. 824 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,440 WAILING 825 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,120 I was screaming at the top my voice. 826 00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:42,760 WOMAN SCREAMS 827 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:47,000 Stop it, stop it, stop it! 828 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,800 What they did was they held me up by my feet, 829 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,440 and these people all round me pushed these cushions 830 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,200 into my body, so I felt completely cocooned, 831 00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,080 and then, very gradually, I calmed down, and they laid me down 832 00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:06,880 on the ground, and I cannot describe the feeling that I felt, 833 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:13,760 because I felt the wetness of a newborn infant. 834 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,680 That's it, good night. 835 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,560 APPLAUSE 836 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,160 I was on a high like you wouldn't believe and I did all kinds 837 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,920 of strange things which I'd never done before, 838 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,680 like instead of shunning all interviews, 839 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,400 I almost suddenly wanted to talk to everybody. 840 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,240 JAUNTY PLUCKED GUITAR 841 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,760 'And it turned him into a kind of mini-monster for a period. 842 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,000 'Firm handshake,' 843 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,240 leaning forward into it. It was so uncharacteristic and wrong. 844 00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:48,520 TAPE REWINDS INCONSISTENTLY 845 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,640 MUSIC: "Blue Peter" theme tune 846 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,760 The hair is cut, the beard is gone, 847 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,840 he's got no clothes on on the front of music mags, 848 00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,520 he's doing a version of the Blue Peter theme. 849 00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,600 PLAYS ALONG WITH THEME TUNE 850 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,280 'It's just this completely different character,' 851 00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,240 and bear in mind, he's still not...30. 852 00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:13,440 The worst thing he ever did was to do that rebirthing thing. 853 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,680 TAPE LOOPS AND WHIRRS 854 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,920 That might sound cruel, because I'm sure 855 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:24,720 he's more comfortable in himself dealing with the rest of the world. 856 00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:28,440 MASS CHANTING 857 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,640 'I think that since that rebirthing thing, 858 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,640 'he's found it very hard to reach the places 859 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,360 'where the real music came from,' 860 00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:40,200 because I think the music that Michael made was... 861 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:44,880 was the grist of his pain. He didn't want to do the pain any more. 862 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,000 Quite reasonably so, I suppose. 863 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,440 But it was the pain that was bringing the music through. 864 00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,400 SCREAMING AND APPLAUSE 865 00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:00,400 APPLAUSE FADES 866 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:05,120 MUSIC: "Ommadawn Part One" by Mike Oldfield 867 00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:12,840 About five years that lasted, and I did all the things 868 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,720 I hadn't been able to do. It was like an incredible high. 869 00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:18,000 It sort of wore off. 870 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:25,000 It really worked for Mike, but it didn't last, 871 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,720 because all it does is give you a glimpse, 872 00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:33,080 but then all the automation kicks in again after a few weeks. 873 00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,200 The emotional undercurrents were so strong, which had been held back 874 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:41,240 for so long, the powerful force of that anguish was still there 875 00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:43,320 and it was trying to come through. 876 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,440 Then there was the passing away of my mother, 877 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,800 had to deal with the grief of that. 878 00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:51,560 That was a terrible loss. 879 00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:56,240 Best way I can describe that was a big balloon bursting full of grief, 880 00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:58,520 and I had to let it out. 881 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:11,000 Right now, I'd see that Mike is opening up in a way 882 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,680 that he's never opened up before. 883 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,200 Because the music that Mike's come up with has touched people 884 00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:21,760 in a way that's just so amazing. He's given so much... 885 00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,680 ..he deserves something back. 886 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:30,040 Not just the money, which he spends...HAS SPENT in the past 887 00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,440 to create a wall, build big walls around himself. 888 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,680 The money doesn't help. 889 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,000 TUBULAR BELLS PLAYS IN REVERSE 890 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,880 Our starting point was music. 891 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,160 For the second sequence in the Olympic ceremony, 892 00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,320 it was Tubular Bells 893 00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:52,560 that we wanted to actually make a cornerstone 894 00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,800 of 20 minutes of the evening. 895 00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,000 ANNOUNCER: Please welcome Mike Oldfield 896 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:02,320 and the staff of the United Kingdom National Health Service. 897 00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,240 'It's tricky, because you think, "How's he going to react?" 898 00:56:05,240 --> 00:56:08,480 'We're not going to be able to play all 40-odd minutes of it, 899 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,840 'it's going to be a cut-down version,' 900 00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,360 and I have to say, of all the collaborators that we worked with 901 00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,440 on it, he was extraordinary. 902 00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,600 'Not only the ability to manipulate that tune in different ways, 903 00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,360 'but also his appetite for it was amazing.' 904 00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,000 He's had to be very protective of the work, understandably, 905 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,800 but with us he was like, "Oh..." 906 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,640 We started to put it together with this sequence which was borne 907 00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,760 out of children's literature and caring 908 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,760 and the villains in children's literature, 909 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,760 because the theme tune of The Exorcist, 910 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,960 that made sense as a starting point for it, 911 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,480 and then the celebratory sense of Tubular Bells was also good, 912 00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,680 because we wanted to celebrate the NHS 913 00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,240 and we wanted to use a lot of the staff from the NHS to learn dancing. 914 00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,480 'Here we are, 40 years later, this little piece of music I had 915 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,840 'when I was in this terrible, panic-stricken situation,' 916 00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,440 I was standing there on the stage live 917 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,200 in front of this massive audience and thinking, 918 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,600 "I remember writing that all those years ago," 919 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:22,760 and here's these thousands of people and millions of people 920 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,280 watching it, and it was going out across the planet. 921 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,360 It was...magnificent. 922 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,680 GUITAR SOLO PLAYS 923 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,000 I think he'd arrived at a point where he thought, 924 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,840 "This would be a wonderful way to celebrate the album nationally." 925 00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,640 Because he lives abroad now, but it does belong to Britain. 926 00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,240 I think it is borne out of our culture. 927 00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,360 The most extraordinary pleasure in the album 928 00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,240 is that he brings it all together, 929 00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,080 that feeling of something experimental being brought together 930 00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:05,840 and complete. Because everyone can experiment and everyone can doodle 931 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,960 and go off strange places, and they're fascinating, 932 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,640 but to complete it and to give a sense of wholeness, 933 00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,560 that he brings you to the end of a journey is amazing, really, 934 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:16,960 and it feels, the sense... 935 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,280 The sense of satisfaction and completion you get from that 936 00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,200 is the reason that it's successful. 937 00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,440 To have that kind of mainstream public appeal for something 938 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:30,160 so weird without vocals, over such a long space of time, 939 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:34,840 to have that much public appeal means it's a masterpiece, I think. 940 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:42,760 SOFT ACOUSTIC GUITAR MUSIC PLAYS OVER LAPPING WAVES 941 00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,840 Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd 80299

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