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Okay, okay.
We'll do the whole thing again.
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That was cooking though, man.
That was a good, that was...
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- Don't worry about it, let's do it again.
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One. Two.
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One, two, three!
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♪ Sing a simple song ♪
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♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
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Many people think of him as their hero.
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Making music that sounded
like no one else's.
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The most innovative musician
on the rock scene.
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- Hit after hit after hit.
- The one and only Sly Stone.
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♪ You're in trouble when you find
it's hard for you to smile ♪
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♪ A simple song
might make it better for a little ♪
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♪ Yeah ♪
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♪ Sing it with your sister, sing it
sing it sista, yah, yah ♪
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It can't be overstated
how massively popular
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Sly and the Family Stone was.
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♪
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At that time, a mixed group
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of Black and white
girls and boys was a new thing.
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♪ Hey, music lover ♪
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They sounded
like nothing else sounds.
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- ♪ All I want to do ♪
- They was doing psychedelic.
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- R&B,
- Pop. Rock.
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- Church.
- Blues.
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- Soul.
- Funk.
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Sly and the Family Stone
was a family.
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We were friends.
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- But Sly was the creator.
- Writer.
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- Producer.
- Multi-instrument.
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- Player.
- Composer.
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- Songwriter.
- Thinker.
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- Poet.
- He opened a portal like,
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"Oh, yeah, come this way."
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♪ Thank you for letting me
be myself again ♪
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He was an innovator.
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He was the first artist to use
a drum machine in a hit record.
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- ♪ It's a family affair ♪
- ♪ It's a family affair ♪
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We were all heavily influenced by Sly.
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There's no Prince and the Revolution
without Sly and the Family Stone.
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His songs have been sampled
by tons of artists.
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♪ Ahh ♪
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♪ I'm gonna knock you out ♪
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♪ Huh! ♪
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The drums reign supreme
in this motherfucker.
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That's how that shit sound.
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♪ You can make it if you try ♪
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He didn't have just hits.
He had culture-changing hits.
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♪ I am everyday people ♪
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He was the highlight of Woodstock.
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- ♪ Want to take you higher ♪
- ♪ Higher ♪
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Sly was bringing people
together at a time when this country
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was tearing itself apart.
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We want a fight.
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He is a bona fide...
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- Groundbreaking.
- Brilliant.
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Genius.
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In the beginning,
it was all about the music.
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Then it became all about other things.
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- Pressure.
- Fear.
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- Guilt.
- Love.
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- Pain.
- Fame.
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- Doubt.
- Identity.
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- Anxiety.
- Insecurity.
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- Struggle.
- Survival.
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You know, Sly,
let me do this.
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So, I don't want you
to get out of your light.
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- Okay.
- Does that screw you up?
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- No, I'm fine. Yeah.
- You can still use that?
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Hey, Jimmy, can I have a drink?
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- What's this?
- Uh, rum or something like that.
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- Rum?
- Yeah, or something.
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- Okay? Okay.
- We're rolling tape.
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You have speed?
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- Yep.
- Alright.
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Sly, you were born Sylvester Stewart,
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and your music career
goes all the way back to the age
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- of something like four years old.
- Right.
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You formed Sly and the Family Stone
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- in the late '60s.
- Yeah.
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You've been called by everybody
that I've interviewed
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and everything that I've read,
a musical genius.
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You are at the place
that every aspiring musician
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- in this country wants to be.
- Mm-hmm.
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There are, uh, guys and girls
all over this country
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trying to get to the top.
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Then you get there,
and you blow it.
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I didn't say all that.
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- No, I'm asking you.
- I didn't blow nothing.
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- Where'd you hear that?
- But were you
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consciously trying to do that or...?
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No, no.
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So, I have a theory that
for Black artists in America,
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success can be more frightening
than failure.
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You know, the world's watching you,
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analyzing you, projecting stuff onto you.
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And I think that Sly
was kind of the first Black artist
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to go through that so publicly,
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at a level where there was a burden
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that came with his genius.
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So, I want to start there.
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Can you tell me
what you think Black genius is?
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Black genius?
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Can you define Black genius?
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Wow. Damn.
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What is Black genius?
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Fuck...
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Do you believe
in the concept of Black genius?
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I love it when it happens.
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♪
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San Francisco is a swinging place.
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Early '60s,
it was an amazing time in San Francisco.
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It was an international
intersection of cultures.
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There was music all up and down
Broadway Street.
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♪ Down here, we're loving life ♪
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There was a lot
of experimentation musically
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coming out of the Bay area.
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And a lot of diversity.
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There was so much possibility,
you felt it.
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And Sly was in the middle of it.
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He had a very popular radio show.
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I used to listen to him.
Everybody did.
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Sly Stone, KSOL San Francisco.
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I definitely want you
to be a magnificent stone.
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Everybody everywhere knew Sly.
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He was the most popular DJ
in the Bay area.
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♪ Sly Stone is my name ♪
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♪ Playing records is my game ♪
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He did things that nobody else was doing.
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Oh, look what you've done. Oh!
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On the radio, Sly was fantastic.
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You felt like you were tuning in
to a different world.
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Do you believe in flying saucers?
Are we being invaded from outer space?
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When Sly was a DJ,
I used to go over there
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and hang out with him a lot,
you know, because he was funny.
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Fifty-six degrees in San Francisco,
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and I think it will rain tomorrow.
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So, Sly doesn't even know
what he's talking about.
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But he was serious about music.
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I'd write on the radio, that's what I did.
I wrote songs.
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♪ Now I get up
when the sun goes down ♪
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♪ I dress real tough,
go out on the town ♪
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He was playing on Broadway
in a lot of bands,
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and then he started producing
several other bands
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with Tom Donahue and Bob Mitchell
at Autumn Records.
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Tom Donahue gave me a break.
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Tom gave me a chance to produce
Bobby Freeman.
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Okay, baby, let's hear that one time.
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- Swim one, take three.
- One, two, three, four.
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♪ Kinda like the monkey,
it's kinda like the twist ♪
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♪ Pretend you're in the water
and you go like this ♪
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♪ Now, baby, swim, a-baby, do the swim ♪
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Sly was a natural producer,
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and that was Sly's first gold record,
and he was only 19.
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And then I produced The Beau Brummels,
a song called Laugh, Laugh.
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♪ I thought I'd die,
it seemed so funny to me ♪
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♪ Laugh, laugh, you met a guy ♪
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The Beau Brummels
was our version of the British Invasion.
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Sly was able to get in the driver's seat
with that sound.
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Come on in
and get around the microphone.
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Sly was the first producer I ever met.
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Let's do it again.
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The Great Society was my first band.
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We were not great musicians.
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We had practiced as best we could
with the ability we had.
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Which was very little.
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Sly says, "Okay, you know,
play your stuff."
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Let's hear that up to now.
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♪
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He could have been really mean,
but he went to each person
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and he said,
"Maybe a little bit like this.
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How about trying that?"
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Don't worry about it.
Let's do it again. One, two!
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♪ Don't you want somebody to love ♪
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And he plays
every instrument beautifully.
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I just stood there
with my jaw on the ground.
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He helped us realize how to make a record.
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Bud's just mad 'cause he won't
be around when it's a hit.
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He ended up with
the original version of Someone to Love,
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and this guy that worked
for Tom Donahue at Autumn Records
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blew everybody away
with what a brilliant, incandescent,
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and ebullient young man he was.
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Sly Stone had a gift.
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He had huge ears,
and he was taking in input at all times.
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He was able to flow
between R&B music,
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British Invasion music,
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and the beginnings
of American psychedelia,
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and that was totally unprecedented
at the time.
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Wasn't it pretty unusual
for someone, an artist,
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who was a DJ
and who was also a producer?
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Weren't you one of the first to do that?
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Probably, but I didn't know it.
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I didn't know
that I was one of the first.
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- Mm.
- I had no idea.
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When Sly's starting out,
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he's pretty much the hardest-working man
in San Francisco.
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Why do you think he had to do
two, three, four times as much
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just to make a name for himself?
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It doesn't matter whether you're
doing music,
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sports, or anything that you do.
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We as Black folk,
we gotta always be three, four,
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five steps ahead of everybody else
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in order just to break even.
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It's just always been that way.
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- Why?
- Why ask why?
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There is no why, Yoda.
You know that.
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♪
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I was in awe of him.
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He liked bands
that I never thought he would.
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I was a white guy trying to be Black,
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and he was a Black man
being everything.
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Were you conscious of people
searching for a different type of music?
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I was conscious that I was searching
for a different type of music.
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I just dug Dylan, and Charles,
and Aretha Franklin
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and the Staple Singers,
and the Beatles.
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It's all music,
and it should all be together somewhere.
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And I decided if I'm going to do music,
it'll be my music.
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Stop the tape, man.
Let's do it again.
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Sly Stone, it's so good to have you here.
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I've always wondered
where it all started,
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and where you came from,
where your roots are, you know.
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Yeah, from Denton, Texas.
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I was three months
when I came to California.
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So, Vallejo, California,
is where you ended up?
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Yeah.
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Sly's family
was part of the Great Migration,
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a pivotal moment in American history
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and the changing demographics,
racial demographics of the country.
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Black folks migrated
from the Deep South
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and moved up north
and to the West Coast
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to be able to get jobs, and buy homes,
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and have the kind of lives
that they couldn't have in the Deep South.
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But if this moment for Sly's parents
was an opportunity,
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I think for Sly's generation,
it's a different kind of opportunity
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to really push the culture
and the society forward
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in ways that their parents would have
never thought of in that period.
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- ♪ He's calling me ♪
- ♪ He's calling me ♪
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♪ Don't you know he's calling? ♪
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You were coming up in the church there?
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Yeah, I played guitar,
and bass, and drums
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in church six, seven times a week.
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Monday night, we had union meeting.
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Tuesday night,
we had choir rehearsal.
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Wednesday night,
we had usher board meeting.
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Thursday night, there was prayer
and Bible band.
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Friday night,
there was regular worship service.
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Saturday night, there was
an inspirational service
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with different choirs
from around the cities.
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And Sunday, three times a day
and sometimes five times on Sunday.
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The first time
that I saw him in a youth choir,
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when Sly would sing,
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it was just on another level
that caused joy in your heart.
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I never forgot him.
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He's in the Black sanctified church.
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It was a learning lab for him
to learn how to run a band,
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how to run a choir,
how to integrate harmony
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with melody and rhythm.
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♪ Oh, once, I was a civilian ♪
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♪ Ooh ♪
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You formed a, a gospel group
around that time.
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♪ You know that I'm on
the battlefield for my Lord ♪
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Do you remember
the first time that you as a kid
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- recognized the power of music?
- Yeah.
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And you've been running ever since?
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- ♪ Heavenly angels ♪
- ♪ Angels ♪
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So, you w ent through grade school
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and then you started a group
in high school called The Viscaynes?
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Yeah, well, I was in a group.
I didn't start it.
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- ♪ Angel ♪
- ♪ All the time ♪
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I dug watching the Viscaynes
on Dick Stewart's Dance Party.
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He was interacting with white people
like I've never seen a Black person do.
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Moving ahead with confidence
in the future of California
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is a goal of junior college.
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After you got out of school,
you had been a producer and a DJ.
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You formed Sly and the Family Stone
in the late '60s.
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Jerry Martini
is the guy that really started it.
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I see the songs he's writing.
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I say, "If we do a band,
we'll all be famous."
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I don't know what to say, I'm a noodge.
My mother was a noodge.
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My grandmother was a Russian Jew.
They were all noodges.
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♪
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This is an original tune.
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♪ Nobody ♪
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♪ I ain't got nobody ♪
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♪ If you need somebody ♪
286
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How did you decide
who to have in your group?
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Well, my brother Freddie plays guitar,
288
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and my sister plays electric piano,
her name is Rose.
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So, nepotism.
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I had a group,
Freddie and the Stone Souls.
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Sly came to me one day, he says,
"Look, get the very best musicians
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"that you have out of your group,
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and I'll get the very best
musicians I know."
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I said, "Look, I got the drummer."
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I was 17 and a half.
I'm still in high school.
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Cynthia, the trumpet player,
I knew in school.
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She naturally was
the first person I thought of.
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Sly said, "I'm getting a group together,"
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and I'm thinking something in my life
is gonna be different.
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Larry Graham played bass.
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I had not worked with a drummer in years.
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When I was 15,
I played with my mother
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as a duo, no drums.
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That's when I developed the style
of thumping the strings
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to make up for not having drums.
306
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So, I thought, this is either
gonna be a train wreck...
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or something is gonna happen,
I don't know.
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We hit it off, there was chemistry,
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and when we started playing,
I go, oh yeah, this is different.
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♪
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Sly already had it in his mind
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that we were gonna have a mixed band.
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There were guys, and girls,
and Black, and white.
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So, you get all that input,
so you get all that sound.
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This is December of 1966.
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A lot of things going on in the country
that didn't necessarily support the idea
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that male, and female,
and Black, and white
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should get together
to start a music group.
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You've got to keep the white
and the Black separate.
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We are not white, we are Black.
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We rehearsed every night,
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and we started playing six nights a week
at Winchester Cathedral.
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♪ Hey, hey, hey ♪
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Even though we played cover songs,
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Sly would put his original stamp on it.
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♪ You got-got-got to... ♪
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♪ Yeah, whoo, you got to try
a little tenderness ♪
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♪
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♪ Yeah ♪
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I went to the Winchester Cathedral
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and had my mind blown away
by this extraordinary talent.
332
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This tour de force.
The integration of Afro-Americans
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and Caucasians,
the girls, the boys.
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I just knew in my bones.
335
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This was happening music,
and I loved it.
336
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David Kapralik dug us,
337
00:18:04,100 --> 00:18:06,360
and he signed us up,
and we signed him up.
338
00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,110
David Kapralik brought the group to me,
339
00:18:09,310 --> 00:18:13,440
and I was excited by the music
from the very beginning.
340
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In those days,
music was very, very segmented.
341
00:18:17,980 --> 00:18:18,660
You had pop.
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♪ Falling in love with love ♪
343
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♪ Is falling for make-believe ♪
344
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You had R&B.
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♪ The love that I have belongs
to the woman with soul ♪
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You had rock.
347
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♪ Girl, I want to be with you ♪
348
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But with Sly,
349
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we get this totally unique
blurring of genres.
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♪ Ahh, ahh ♪
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♪ I know,
I know you need attention ♪
352
00:18:47,575 --> 00:18:52,240
♪ I got, I got attention for you ♪
353
00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:57,260
♪ I know,
I know you need affection ♪
354
00:18:57,460 --> 00:19:02,080
♪ I got, I got affection for you ♪
355
00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,500
♪ If somebody told me,
if I knew you liked to ♪
356
00:19:06,700 --> 00:19:08,920
You've played in front of
a lot of different kinds of audiences.
357
00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:12,735
Is it different playing for an all-Negro
as opposed to an all-white audience?
358
00:19:12,935 --> 00:19:15,977
Yeah. Sometimes if, uh, we didn't do
a tune that was R&B enough,
359
00:19:16,177 --> 00:19:19,220
some Black people had to wait
for the next two or three songs
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before they decided that they'd stay.
361
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And then, there were
some white audiences
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00:19:22,890 --> 00:19:26,100
that if we didn't get into a jam
quick enough, then they would split.
363
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So, you just got to go and play,
364
00:19:27,890 --> 00:19:31,230
and just hope that, uh,
most of the people want to stay.
365
00:19:31,430 --> 00:19:35,530
♪ I'm on a trip to your heart ♪
366
00:19:35,730 --> 00:19:38,410
I thought,
here, you have a creative genius
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00:19:38,610 --> 00:19:42,780
who was going to make
a permanent mark on history.
368
00:19:42,980 --> 00:19:44,540
So, I signed him.
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00:19:44,740 --> 00:19:47,450
And we did our first album
in Los Angeles
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at CBS on Sunset and Gower.
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This is it.
Quiet, everybody.
372
00:19:51,330 --> 00:19:52,380
Yeah. Are we taking this?
373
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Sly's work ethic...
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- Two, one.
- ...was intense.
375
00:19:55,540 --> 00:19:58,970
He wanted to work 24/7,
seven days a week.
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00:19:59,170 --> 00:20:02,350
When the rhythm section was laying a part,
the horns would be sleeping.
377
00:20:02,550 --> 00:20:06,140
The horns get ready to play their part,
then the other people would be sleeping.
378
00:20:06,340 --> 00:20:07,760
We were fanatics.
379
00:20:07,770 --> 00:20:09,360
And that's the way
it ought to be, too, by the way.
380
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,640
Our first album
was totally out of the box,
381
00:20:12,650 --> 00:20:14,360
and we were like an anomaly.
382
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,715
♪ Hey, dig, I know how it feels
to expect to get a fair shake ♪
383
00:20:17,915 --> 00:20:21,287
♪ But they won't let you forget
that you're the underdog ♪
384
00:20:21,487 --> 00:20:24,860
♪ And you got to be twice as good,
yeah, yeah ♪
385
00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:27,330
♪ Even if you're never right,
they get uptight ♪
386
00:20:27,530 --> 00:20:28,590
♪ When you get too bright ♪
387
00:20:28,790 --> 00:20:31,410
♪ Or you might start thinking
too much, yeah ♪
388
00:20:31,610 --> 00:20:32,880
♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
389
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,590
In a broad sense,
the band is an underdog,
390
00:20:35,790 --> 00:20:39,750
coming out of the West Coast with
this multi-racial, multi-gendered band,
391
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,205
something that we've never seen before.
392
00:20:43,405 --> 00:20:46,650
♪ Say I'm the underdog ♪
393
00:20:46,850 --> 00:20:49,150
It's hard not to also think
about that song
394
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:52,270
in the context
of the race politics of the moment.
395
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:53,690
As a Black man in America,
396
00:20:53,890 --> 00:20:56,610
he's taking that persona on
of the underdog.
397
00:20:56,810 --> 00:20:59,570
"I got nothing to lose
and everything's against me, so let's go."
398
00:20:59,770 --> 00:21:01,990
♪ I know how it feels to get demoted ♪
399
00:21:02,190 --> 00:21:04,150
♪ When it comes time
to get promoted ♪
400
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,160
♪ 'Cause you might be
moving up too fast ♪
401
00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:08,460
♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
402
00:21:08,660 --> 00:21:12,120
Sly was still trying
to figure out his sound.
403
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:13,800
Are they gonna be read as a rock group,
404
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,430
or are they gonna always be seen
as a Black group?
405
00:21:17,630 --> 00:21:21,840
The first album, I thought
it was gonna be a smash hit.
406
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:26,340
But it was a complete flop.
It broke Sly's heart.
407
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,690
The album A Whole New Thing,
it was a dud.
408
00:21:30,890 --> 00:21:35,610
Sly came into my office
completely dejected.
409
00:21:35,810 --> 00:21:39,560
I heard myself saying to him,
do you need a hit single?
410
00:21:39,570 --> 00:21:42,320
Dave Kapralik said he wanted us
to sound like the bands
411
00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:43,580
that were out there already.
412
00:21:43,780 --> 00:21:47,370
He said, "I want you guys to play
in a nice club and dress nice."
413
00:21:47,570 --> 00:21:51,160
And, and Sly said two words to him,
which I'm not gonna repeat.
414
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,520
Hey, get up and dance to the music!
415
00:22:16,730 --> 00:22:20,770
Get on up and dance to the music.
416
00:22:31,700 --> 00:22:33,950
♪ Dance to the music ♪
417
00:22:35,910 --> 00:22:38,080
♪ Dance to the music ♪
418
00:22:39,210 --> 00:22:41,590
♪ Dance to the music ♪
419
00:22:41,790 --> 00:22:44,155
Dance to the Music was a hit record.
420
00:22:44,355 --> 00:22:46,520
So, I thought we're gonna be it.
421
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,020
♪ All we need is a drummer ♪
422
00:22:50,220 --> 00:22:53,640
♪ For people who only need
a beat, yeah ♪
423
00:23:01,730 --> 00:23:04,520
♪ I'm gonna add a little guitar ♪
424
00:23:04,530 --> 00:23:07,700
♪ And make it easy
to move your feet ♪
425
00:23:07,900 --> 00:23:09,910
The first time I hear d
Dance to the Music,
426
00:23:10,110 --> 00:23:12,960
it was like, oh, my God,
it's the greatest thing ever.
427
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,240
It sounded like nothing else
on the radio at the time.
428
00:23:16,250 --> 00:23:19,340
♪ I'm gonna add some bottom ♪
429
00:23:19,540 --> 00:23:22,540
♪ So that the dancers
just won't hide ♪
430
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:26,760
♪ You might like to hear my organ ♪
431
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,770
♪ I said ride, Sally, ride now ♪
432
00:23:29,970 --> 00:23:33,600
Writing a hit song
is almost impossible,
433
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:38,980
but Sly had an uncanny ability
to make every part of the song hooky.
434
00:23:39,980 --> 00:23:42,440
The rhythm,
it's implied four on the floor.
435
00:23:43,980 --> 00:23:45,485
It's close to the Motown beat.
436
00:23:45,685 --> 00:23:47,190
♪ Can't help myself ♪
437
00:23:47,390 --> 00:23:48,080
But it ain't.
438
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,280
There's a bass playing one note.
439
00:23:53,780 --> 00:23:56,200
You add that to the little licks
that come along with it.
440
00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,870
Those nice little horn parts.
441
00:24:01,210 --> 00:24:03,180
Each person gets their moment.
442
00:24:03,380 --> 00:24:05,960
♪ I'm gonna add
a little guitar ♪
443
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,590
♪ I'm gonna add some bottom ♪
444
00:24:09,790 --> 00:24:10,470
They have unison vocals.
445
00:24:10,670 --> 00:24:12,530
♪ Dance to the music ♪
446
00:24:12,730 --> 00:24:14,590
They had harmony vocals.
447
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,810
He's got some magical way
of weaving things together.
448
00:24:20,010 --> 00:24:21,890
♪
449
00:24:25,940 --> 00:24:27,780
♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
450
00:24:27,980 --> 00:24:31,110
♪ Cynthia and Jerry got a message
they're saying ♪
451
00:24:31,310 --> 00:24:34,490
♪ Sing, all the squares go home ♪
452
00:24:35,910 --> 00:24:39,080
Sly's inviting you
to something extraordinary.
453
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:40,950
He's learning to be inclusive.
454
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,210
♪ Listen to the voices ♪
455
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,420
And it felt like
the carnival has come to town.
456
00:24:49,620 --> 00:24:51,510
♪
457
00:24:57,220 --> 00:25:01,560
That song changed everything.
It was a paradigm shift.
458
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,780
The gigs got better.
459
00:25:03,980 --> 00:25:06,270
The first time we played
the Fillmore East in New York,
460
00:25:06,470 --> 00:25:08,160
it was Jimi Hendrix Experience,
461
00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:11,860
Sly and the Family Stone,
one show, $7.50.
462
00:25:12,060 --> 00:25:13,200
Hello?
463
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,200
- ♪ Hey, hey, hey, hey ♪
464
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,750
♪ M'lady ♪
465
00:25:25,670 --> 00:25:27,170
♪ M'lady ♪
466
00:25:29,210 --> 00:25:32,890
♪ A smile of pleasure,
beautiful and kind ♪
467
00:25:33,090 --> 00:25:36,680
They were a smash, they were
the hot sensation of New York.
468
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,550
♪ Give her some time, yeah ♪
469
00:25:38,750 --> 00:25:40,190
♪ Time, time ♪
470
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:43,440
- ♪ Give her some time ♪
- ♪ Time, time ♪
471
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,570
And word spread,
and then everything broke open.
472
00:25:46,770 --> 00:25:50,480
Now, here for the youngsters
is Sly and the Family Stone.
473
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,990
Don't hate the Black.
Don't hate the white.
474
00:25:54,190 --> 00:25:56,290
If you get bitten, just hate the bite.
475
00:25:56,490 --> 00:25:59,370
- ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
- ♪ The music's getting longer ♪
476
00:26:01,910 --> 00:26:03,960
♪ All I want to do, yeah ♪
477
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,760
- ♪ I want to take you higher ♪
- ♪ Higher ♪
478
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,130
I'm 18 years old. I'm thinking,
this is where I seen the Beatles.
479
00:26:11,330 --> 00:26:13,010
This is where I seen Elvis Presley.
480
00:26:14,010 --> 00:26:16,760
And I said, here we are.
This could be significant.
481
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,640
Tomorrow could be different
than today.
482
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,470
- ♪ Wanna take you higher ♪
- ♪ Higher ♪
483
00:26:21,670 --> 00:26:26,980
- ♪ Higher ♪
- ♪ Higher ♪
484
00:26:27,980 --> 00:26:30,360
♪ Up and away, now ♪
485
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,980
♪ Up, up and away ♪
486
00:26:34,180 --> 00:26:36,070
♪
487
00:26:40,700 --> 00:26:42,880
For him and Rose to go out
into the audience,
488
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,620
who would do that
on the Ed Sullivan Show,
489
00:26:44,820 --> 00:26:46,350
go out in the audience, right?
490
00:26:46,550 --> 00:26:48,080
And doing the hambone.
491
00:26:50,290 --> 00:26:52,010
Go on, Sly. Yeah!
492
00:26:52,210 --> 00:26:53,840
Work, Sly.
Work, Sly.
493
00:26:56,420 --> 00:26:59,260
And all those people
in suits out in the audience
494
00:26:59,460 --> 00:27:00,480
clapping on one and three?
495
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,390
They loved it.
496
00:27:05,890 --> 00:27:08,770
And that meant that America loved it.
497
00:27:08,970 --> 00:27:10,860
♪
498
00:27:17,780 --> 00:27:19,150
♪ Hey music lover ♪
499
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,830
To me,
one of the greatest things about Sly
500
00:27:21,030 --> 00:27:24,310
is he's letting us
peer into something very free.
501
00:27:24,510 --> 00:27:27,790
The appearance, the clothing,
even the wigs,
502
00:27:27,990 --> 00:27:29,340
it was from another world.
503
00:27:29,540 --> 00:27:33,130
When they came together
as the sound, it was so future.
504
00:27:36,380 --> 00:27:40,220
♪ Higher ♪
505
00:27:40,420 --> 00:27:42,300
♪
506
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:49,930
Thank you for letting us be ourselves.
Thank you.
507
00:27:49,940 --> 00:27:53,020
♪
508
00:28:04,530 --> 00:28:08,000
I still have dreams
about when it was the fun days.
509
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:14,260
We used to hang together.
510
00:28:14,460 --> 00:28:17,750
We would rent bicycles
and ride around bicycles in New York City.
511
00:28:19,470 --> 00:28:22,090
Being in the group
was a musical experience,
512
00:28:22,290 --> 00:28:24,140
but it was also personal friendships.
513
00:28:25,180 --> 00:28:28,600
I think we spent more time together
than we spent with our family members,
514
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,320
or their girlfriends, or wives.
515
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,600
We were making a little money,
we were able to buy toys.
516
00:28:34,690 --> 00:28:37,730
Bought motorcycles
and went riding together.
517
00:28:37,930 --> 00:28:40,540
We all got dogs together.
518
00:28:40,740 --> 00:28:43,080
- I had Egyptian Salukis.
519
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,030
Freddie had an Irish wolfhound.
Sly bought a pit bull.
520
00:28:47,230 --> 00:28:49,240
Rose had an Afghan.
521
00:28:49,250 --> 00:28:52,160
Greg and Jerry had Saint Bernard
and Great Pyrenees.
522
00:28:53,290 --> 00:28:55,130
We'd go to the movies together.
523
00:28:55,330 --> 00:28:58,630
We went to see this movie called
A Space Odyssey
524
00:28:58,830 --> 00:28:59,850
that just came out.
525
00:29:00,050 --> 00:29:02,470
I think we took some mescaline
or something like that,
526
00:29:02,670 --> 00:29:04,850
some mushrooms or some psychedelics,
527
00:29:05,050 --> 00:29:07,850
so it was quite...
it was quite the experience.
528
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,430
We were family. Period. Simply.
529
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,860
I felt like part of the family.
530
00:29:15,060 --> 00:29:17,650
Sly was like
a big brother I never had.
531
00:29:17,850 --> 00:29:19,770
He was a leader.
532
00:29:19,780 --> 00:29:23,070
We all loved Sly,
especially Cynthia.
533
00:29:23,270 --> 00:29:24,410
She was in love with Sly.
534
00:29:24,610 --> 00:29:28,080
He was the first guy that
ever treated me with real respect.
535
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,750
He made you want to be there together
and to do this together.
536
00:29:32,580 --> 00:29:35,010
We were all inspired by Sly.
537
00:29:35,210 --> 00:29:39,040
We were also inspired
by what was going on in the country then.
538
00:29:42,550 --> 00:29:44,170
Demonstrators in San Francisco
539
00:29:44,180 --> 00:29:45,850
protest the Vietnam War.
540
00:29:46,050 --> 00:29:47,520
U.S., get out!
541
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:52,850
America is shocked by the brutal slaying
of Doctor Martin Luther King.
542
00:29:53,050 --> 00:29:56,570
It was an intense time in '68.
543
00:29:56,770 --> 00:29:58,700
We were on the tour bus one time.
544
00:29:58,900 --> 00:30:01,650
It was the middle of the night
and we had to get gas.
545
00:30:01,850 --> 00:30:03,200
We're downtown Detroit.
546
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,280
Everything was out.
The store lights were out.
547
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,820
We were like, what's going on?
548
00:30:08,740 --> 00:30:12,740
Then all of a sudden,
we're surrounded by jeeps and tanks.
549
00:30:12,750 --> 00:30:15,210
The body
of Doctor Martin Luther King Jr.,
550
00:30:15,410 --> 00:30:18,540
viewed by mourners and followers
this morning.
551
00:30:18,740 --> 00:30:19,970
Detroit tonight is under a curfew
552
00:30:20,170 --> 00:30:22,845
and National Guard troops
are on duty there.
553
00:30:23,045 --> 00:30:25,387
The next thing,
we're up against a building.
554
00:30:25,587 --> 00:30:27,730
I thought we were gonna die.
555
00:30:27,930 --> 00:30:30,020
Sly was not afraid at all.
I was afraid.
556
00:30:30,220 --> 00:30:33,930
But Sly just had the guitar out
going like this, you know.
557
00:30:34,130 --> 00:30:36,740
They goes,
"Tell that... down there,
558
00:30:36,940 --> 00:30:38,650
tell him to shut up
or we'll shoot his ass."
559
00:30:38,850 --> 00:30:41,610
And then, they took me
and Rose, and Sly's girlfriend,
560
00:30:41,810 --> 00:30:44,370
who was Caucasian,
and put us in the truck.
561
00:30:44,570 --> 00:30:49,120
And a service guy walked past Anita
and said, "nigger lover."
562
00:30:50,370 --> 00:30:54,370
This is a moment in history
where you have these assassinations
563
00:30:54,570 --> 00:30:57,660
A stain of bloodshed that has spread
across our land.
564
00:30:57,670 --> 00:30:59,370
A doctor!
We need a doctor right here.
565
00:30:59,380 --> 00:31:01,670
Senator Kennedy
is shot in the head.
566
00:31:01,870 --> 00:31:03,840
You have an unpopular war.
567
00:31:05,130 --> 00:31:06,560
Troopers took a lot of casualties.
568
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,430
You have campuses where students
are protesting these wars.
569
00:31:12,010 --> 00:31:14,930
You have police brutality
against people of color.
570
00:31:16,890 --> 00:31:18,780
And there's always this threat of violence
571
00:31:18,980 --> 00:31:22,860
that's associated with anybody
who speaks out in this moment.
572
00:31:24,570 --> 00:31:28,610
Just about everything in
this country, late '60s, was in disarray.
573
00:31:28,810 --> 00:31:31,780
Did that make your job
as a musician, as a writer,
574
00:31:31,980 --> 00:31:35,750
- more difficult or easier?
- Easy.
575
00:31:35,950 --> 00:31:39,160
That... those are the kind of things
that make you feel like, uh, working,
576
00:31:39,170 --> 00:31:41,445
or writing, or playing,
or doing what you do.
577
00:31:41,645 --> 00:31:43,720
We're really trying to say something
578
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,425
after playing some other tunes
that didn't mean anything.
579
00:31:46,625 --> 00:31:49,257
And with the members of the group,
all you got to do
580
00:31:49,457 --> 00:31:52,090
is inspire them
in the right way and let 'em go.
581
00:31:56,390 --> 00:31:59,850
In the studio, the spark
for the songs would come from Sly.
582
00:32:00,050 --> 00:32:01,690
Oh, wait a minute!
583
00:32:02,980 --> 00:32:04,740
Sly is up here at the helm,
584
00:32:04,940 --> 00:32:07,370
and he would give us
the skeleton of a song,
585
00:32:07,570 --> 00:32:09,450
and then he would say,
"Okay, what do you do with that?"
586
00:32:09,650 --> 00:32:11,530
Okay, okay, we'll do
the whole thing again.
587
00:32:11,730 --> 00:32:13,620
♪
588
00:32:15,450 --> 00:32:18,620
Songs would develop.
The arrangements would develop.
589
00:32:21,620 --> 00:32:23,710
Come on, I think we got a chance
to get something done here.
590
00:32:23,910 --> 00:32:26,380
They would morph,
sometimes significantly different
591
00:32:26,580 --> 00:32:27,600
than where it started.
592
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:32,260
Okay, Greg. Okay, this is
Some People, 102290, take one.
593
00:32:32,460 --> 00:32:33,930
Sly wasn't cracking the whip.
594
00:32:34,130 --> 00:32:36,220
♪
595
00:32:37,850 --> 00:32:39,220
Let's try it again.
596
00:32:39,230 --> 00:32:40,690
But we did spend long hours,
597
00:32:40,890 --> 00:32:43,600
because if we didn't get it,
we'd keep going over it again.
598
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:46,490
One... one more time.
599
00:32:46,690 --> 00:32:48,650
- No. Take five.
600
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,040
Take six.
601
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,920
- What happened?
602
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,910
You guys aren't together,
Cynthia and Jerry.
603
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,750
Rose, play the same thing
you're playing now, an octave higher.
604
00:33:06,790 --> 00:33:09,985
We talk about catching fire in a bottle.
605
00:33:10,185 --> 00:33:13,180
Sly and the Family Stone were in sync
606
00:33:13,380 --> 00:33:16,930
with what was happening
culturally, socially, and politically.
607
00:33:17,130 --> 00:33:18,350
Wait a minute,
wait a minute, wait a minute.
608
00:33:18,550 --> 00:33:19,400
They're playing the wrong notes.
609
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,390
Let's try again. Take 100.
610
00:33:29,900 --> 00:33:33,740
♪ Sometimes I'm right,
and I can be wrong ♪
611
00:33:33,940 --> 00:33:37,580
♪ My own beliefs are in my song ♪
612
00:33:37,780 --> 00:33:42,060
♪ The butcher, the banker,
the drummer, and then ♪
613
00:33:42,260 --> 00:33:46,540
♪ Makes no difference what group I'm in ♪
614
00:33:46,740 --> 00:33:51,680
♪ I am everyday people ♪
615
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,800
There's a certain power
hearing unison vocals.
616
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,520
♪ There is a blue one ♪
617
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,550
♪ Who can't accept
the green one for living ♪
618
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,150
Everybody singing the same note,
619
00:34:01,350 --> 00:34:04,315
doing the sing-songy,
nursery rhyme-ish melodies
620
00:34:04,515 --> 00:34:07,280
made it easy for the listener
to sing along with.
621
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,200
♪ And so on and so on and
scooby-dooby-doo ♪
622
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,360
That unison creates the vibe
that pulls everybody in
623
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,580
to that one-minded concept.
624
00:34:15,780 --> 00:34:19,080
♪ We got to live together ♪
625
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,250
♪ I am no better
and neither are you ♪
626
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,340
♪ We are the same
whatever we do ♪
627
00:34:27,540 --> 00:34:32,600
♪ You love me, you hate me,
you know me, and then ♪
628
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,670
But when they sing in harmony,
oh, boy, it felt like church.
629
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,645
♪ I am everyday people ♪
630
00:34:40,845 --> 00:34:44,610
♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
631
00:34:44,810 --> 00:34:46,690
♪ There is a long hair ♪
632
00:34:46,890 --> 00:34:48,780
♪ That doesn't like the short hair ♪
633
00:34:48,980 --> 00:34:53,280
♪ For being such a rich one that
will not help the poor one ♪
634
00:34:53,690 --> 00:34:55,540
♪ Different strokes ♪
635
00:34:55,740 --> 00:34:57,080
♪ For different folks ♪
636
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,250
♪ And so on and so on... ♪
637
00:34:58,450 --> 00:35:00,710
With Everyday People, Sly came along
638
00:35:00,910 --> 00:35:03,790
as the Black hippie Pied Piper singing,
639
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:06,395
"We are the same, whatever we do."
640
00:35:06,595 --> 00:35:08,800
♪ We got to live together ♪
641
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,540
That's the first time you hear
that sentiment from a Black artist.
642
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:16,220
♪ Won't accept the Black one that
won't accept the red one ♪
643
00:35:16,420 --> 00:35:20,840
There was a utopianism
that people were ready to buy into,
644
00:35:20,850 --> 00:35:25,230
that female, and male, and Black,
and white can create another world.
645
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:28,940
Being so tuneful and just being
great music, that was the validation.
646
00:35:29,140 --> 00:35:31,060
That was the proof of concept
that it was possible.
647
00:35:31,260 --> 00:35:34,835
♪ I am everyday people ♪
648
00:35:35,035 --> 00:35:38,610
♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
649
00:35:38,810 --> 00:35:41,080
♪
650
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,460
But at the same time,
651
00:35:42,660 --> 00:35:44,960
that message could be perceived
as problematic,
652
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,910
because, you know, these people,
they got their knee on my neck.
653
00:35:48,110 --> 00:35:49,080
They're shooting brothers up.
654
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,930
The hippies
was trying to do love and peace.
655
00:35:54,130 --> 00:35:56,420
You know, we're from the ghetto,
we don't believe that.
656
00:35:56,620 --> 00:35:57,710
You got to watch out for your back.
657
00:35:57,720 --> 00:36:01,050
A policeman in a Black community
is a licensed killer.
658
00:36:01,250 --> 00:36:03,350
In the late 1960s,
659
00:36:03,550 --> 00:36:06,540
the civil rights movement
is at a crossroads.
660
00:36:06,740 --> 00:36:09,320
We no longer have with us
Martin Luther King.
661
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,900
We've lost something,
and we feel it deeply.
662
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:14,440
So, the movement
is kind of at a standstill,
663
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,730
except for this radical edge.
664
00:36:16,930 --> 00:36:18,525
We have to got to get...
665
00:36:18,725 --> 00:36:20,120
Black Power!
666
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,330
Let Black people defend themselves
from racist pig cops,
667
00:36:23,530 --> 00:36:26,490
who shoot up windows and murder
Black people in the Black community.
668
00:36:26,690 --> 00:36:28,210
Sly is kind of walking the line
669
00:36:28,410 --> 00:36:30,795
between the civil rights world
of his parents
670
00:36:30,995 --> 00:36:33,180
and the Black Power world that's emerging.
671
00:36:33,380 --> 00:36:37,155
So, Sly gives a love letter
to both sides of this moment...
672
00:36:37,355 --> 00:36:41,130
what happened before,
and what's possible in the aftermath.
673
00:36:41,330 --> 00:36:46,900
♪ Stand, in the end,
you'll still be you ♪
674
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:52,065
♪ One that's done all the things
you set out to do ♪
675
00:36:52,265 --> 00:36:57,030
♪ Stand, there's a cross
for you to bear ♪
676
00:36:57,230 --> 00:37:02,700
♪ Things to go through
if you're going anywhere ♪
677
00:37:02,900 --> 00:37:04,370
♪ Ooh ♪
678
00:37:04,570 --> 00:37:10,090
♪ Stand for the things
you know are right ♪
679
00:37:10,290 --> 00:37:14,370
♪ It's the truth that the truth
makes them so uptight ♪
680
00:37:14,380 --> 00:37:17,655
At 16 years old,
I was a sub-section leader
681
00:37:17,855 --> 00:37:20,930
in the Black Panther Party
in Lower Manhattan.
682
00:37:21,130 --> 00:37:25,180
When we first heard Stand!,
it was so powerful for us,
683
00:37:25,380 --> 00:37:28,050
as activists, as revolutionaries,
684
00:37:28,060 --> 00:37:31,810
listening to Sly talk about
the way the world should be.
685
00:37:32,010 --> 00:37:34,070
♪ Stand! ♪
686
00:37:34,270 --> 00:37:36,200
You were one way
before you heard the record.
687
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,690
Then after you sat there for a few hours
listening over and over and over again,
688
00:37:40,890 --> 00:37:45,080
that feeling of transformation,
it was magical.
689
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:50,960
♪ Stand, you've been sitting
much too long ♪
690
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,250
♪ There's a permanent crease
in your right and wrong ♪
691
00:37:55,450 --> 00:37:56,470
♪ Stand ♪
692
00:37:56,670 --> 00:38:01,180
It was one of the only
empowering songs that there were,
693
00:38:01,380 --> 00:38:04,340
you know, out there for young people,
and we weren't getting a lot of that.
694
00:38:04,540 --> 00:38:05,930
We were getting a lot of
"I love you, baby."
695
00:38:06,130 --> 00:38:08,230
♪
696
00:38:08,430 --> 00:38:09,860
- ♪ Stand! ♪
- In Detroit,
697
00:38:10,060 --> 00:38:13,520
that album was like The Chronic,
you know, for my parents.
698
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:17,240
It was like every car on Belle Isle
699
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,270
was riding around playing Stand!
as an anthem.
700
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:23,200
♪ Stand, stand ♪
701
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,870
Stand! is such an amazing arrangement.
702
00:38:26,070 --> 00:38:28,200
It's the same melody
in different registers,
703
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,530
and then it's back to the beginning again.
704
00:38:41,250 --> 00:38:43,250
It sounds like something's gonna happen,
but it doesn't.
705
00:38:43,260 --> 00:38:45,060
It goes right back to...
♪ Stand ♪
706
00:38:45,260 --> 00:38:48,180
So, it teases you
like there's gonna be a release.
707
00:38:48,380 --> 00:38:50,100
There's like a tension that happens.
708
00:38:51,470 --> 00:38:52,900
But then, it just...
it doesn't let it go.
709
00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:56,650
♪ Well, at least in your mind
if you want to be ♪
710
00:38:56,850 --> 00:38:59,700
And then, finally,
at the end of the song,
711
00:38:59,900 --> 00:39:02,370
you've been waiting, waiting, waiting,
anticipating something.
712
00:39:02,570 --> 00:39:05,610
All of a sudden, it goes into a whole
different change where it's...
713
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,620
And it's like a whole 'nother song.
714
00:39:10,700 --> 00:39:12,170
♪ Stand! ♪
715
00:39:12,370 --> 00:39:15,910
♪ Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na, na-na ♪
716
00:39:16,910 --> 00:39:20,960
And it's like, oh, shit!
What the... oh, my God.
717
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,010
It's like a... it's like a musical orgasm.
718
00:39:24,210 --> 00:39:26,680
Can I say that on camera? Yeah.
719
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,970
It's like a... it's like a musical...
I swear to God.
720
00:39:31,170 --> 00:39:33,140
♪ Na-na-na-na-na, na-na ♪
721
00:39:36,810 --> 00:39:38,360
By the time he got to Stand!,
722
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,730
he knew perfectly what would work
on the radio,
723
00:39:41,930 --> 00:39:44,610
in the hood, and in the pop culture.
724
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,070
We were all very happy
about our success,
725
00:39:49,270 --> 00:39:51,330
but now, we had set the bar
726
00:39:51,530 --> 00:39:55,250
really, really high
for our live performances.
727
00:39:55,450 --> 00:40:01,540
So, our next show, we gotta... we gotta
get that high, you know, or higher.
728
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,460
Nearly half a million kids
jammed onto a 600-acre dairy farm
729
00:40:07,470 --> 00:40:09,935
near Woodstock, New York,
in August '69,
730
00:40:10,135 --> 00:40:12,600
to dance, sing,
smoke, and make love.
731
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,105
Do you recall
your experience at Woodstock?
732
00:40:17,305 --> 00:40:20,457
At first, I was scared,
to tell you the truth.
733
00:40:20,657 --> 00:40:23,610
Well, I usually am, though,
before a concert.
734
00:40:23,810 --> 00:40:28,030
I'm always scared before a con...
you know, kind of, um...
735
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:30,250
I want to hurry and get it on,
736
00:40:30,450 --> 00:40:32,120
'cause I can't wait,
you know, that kind of thing.
737
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,570
- Mm-hmm.
- And, you know, it kind of wears me out.
738
00:40:34,580 --> 00:40:38,580
But, um, the Woodstock thing,
I walked in the audience, I remember that.
739
00:40:39,580 --> 00:40:42,620
There were so many people
that I thought, man,
740
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:44,680
we better not make a mistake.
741
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,920
And then I thought, well,
this is no way to walk down that,
742
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,170
- you know, that thing in my stomach.
- Mm-hmm.
743
00:40:52,180 --> 00:40:56,810
Right before we went on,
Sly, he poured out a pile of blow,
744
00:40:57,010 --> 00:40:59,470
you know,
with a pinch of mescaline.
745
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,640
We all got our dollar bills and hit it.
746
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,520
And then it seems like we're on...
747
00:41:06,770 --> 00:41:08,740
and we...
748
00:41:08,940 --> 00:41:11,780
we were on,
or almost we'd had never gotten off.
749
00:41:11,980 --> 00:41:13,150
That was it.
750
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,080
- ♪ I wanna take you higher ♪
- ♪ Higher ♪
751
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:22,120
- ♪ Wanna take you higher ♪
- ♪ Higher ♪
752
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,380
- ♪ Higher ♪
- ♪ Higher ♪
753
00:41:25,580 --> 00:41:27,460
♪
754
00:41:28,590 --> 00:41:30,340
♪ Higher now ♪
755
00:41:39,470 --> 00:41:41,890
♪ Do it higher, oh yeah ♪
756
00:41:51,570 --> 00:41:53,450
♪ Wanna take you higher ♪
757
00:41:56,490 --> 00:41:59,370
♪ Unh, wanna take you higher ♪
758
00:41:59,570 --> 00:42:00,710
♪ Higher ♪
759
00:42:00,910 --> 00:42:07,130
- ♪ Wanna take you higher ♪
- ♪ Higher ♪
760
00:42:09,130 --> 00:42:11,680
- ♪ Higher ♪
761
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,800
♪ Higher ♪
762
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,360
What effect did it have on you?
763
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,505
Wow, it was a little too big.
764
00:42:24,705 --> 00:42:27,490
It was almost too big to happen.
765
00:42:27,690 --> 00:42:31,730
You know, I thought we would happen,
but at the time, it was, whew.
766
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,200
Almost too much all at once.
767
00:42:45,660 --> 00:42:49,210
Success can equal certain freedoms.
768
00:42:50,460 --> 00:42:52,850
But I don't think anybody
is totally free the whole time.
769
00:42:53,050 --> 00:42:56,420
I think there are moments of... and I think
that's what we're attracted to.
770
00:42:56,430 --> 00:42:58,810
Like when we see what we call a rock star,
771
00:42:59,010 --> 00:43:01,550
it's almost like they are making
a sacrifice for us,
772
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,150
and that's why we hail them.
773
00:43:03,350 --> 00:43:06,690
But sometimes, it starts to work
against why and what you're doing.
774
00:43:06,890 --> 00:43:11,070
The same thing that made you great
becomes the thing that kills you.
775
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,320
♪ Everybody is a star ♪
776
00:43:18,530 --> 00:43:22,870
♪ Who could rain
and chase the dust away ♪
777
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,630
♪ Everybody wants to shine ♪
778
00:43:27,830 --> 00:43:31,050
After Woodstock,
Sly and the Family Stone
779
00:43:31,250 --> 00:43:34,500
was just this explosive
monumental event
780
00:43:34,510 --> 00:43:36,130
every time they were on stage.
781
00:43:37,130 --> 00:43:41,800
The first time
I saw them live was so unbelievable.
782
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,560
No Motown act, no...
nobody had ever rocked me
783
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,400
the way that concert did.
784
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,860
I left there thinking he could run
for president and win.
785
00:43:52,060 --> 00:43:56,530
John Lennon is an icon.
Elvis Presley is an icon.
786
00:43:56,730 --> 00:43:59,870
Sly Stone became an icon.
787
00:44:00,070 --> 00:44:03,870
Sly opened the floodgates
for all musicians of color
788
00:44:04,070 --> 00:44:05,500
to just do whatever they felt like,
789
00:44:05,700 --> 00:44:08,910
because at one point, you might have felt
like you could only do Motown.
790
00:44:09,110 --> 00:44:12,340
Sly gave everyone
this whole psychedelic thing.
791
00:44:12,540 --> 00:44:15,010
Shoot, even The Temptations
went psychedelic.
792
00:44:15,210 --> 00:44:17,460
You have so many different groups
coming about
793
00:44:17,470 --> 00:44:19,980
that are being more free with the music.
794
00:44:20,180 --> 00:44:24,760
That brand-new 21st-century funk,
we got it from Sly.
795
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,850
♪
796
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,860
Miles Davis
just absolutely worshiped Sly.
797
00:44:31,060 --> 00:44:34,270
Miles used to follow him around,
he used to come to our gigs.
798
00:44:35,650 --> 00:44:38,160
Miles had a young wife, Betty Mabry.
799
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,570
She took her old-ass husband
and was like, "You know what?
800
00:44:40,770 --> 00:44:42,530
Pops, check this out.
This is what's up."
801
00:44:43,410 --> 00:44:45,920
And he takes it in,
and his mind is blown.
802
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,410
I mean, there's no On the Corner
without his exposure to Sly Stone.
803
00:44:50,610 --> 00:44:52,170
Fast forward into the '80s.
804
00:44:54,420 --> 00:44:57,460
Sly's influence on Prince is infinite.
805
00:44:58,590 --> 00:45:00,635
Prince had a female keyboard player,
806
00:45:00,835 --> 00:45:02,880
eventually a female guitarist.
807
00:45:02,890 --> 00:45:03,940
It was multiracial.
808
00:45:04,140 --> 00:45:08,560
♪ I was dreaming when I wrote this,
forgive me if it goes astray ♪
809
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,570
The vocals in 1999 gave everyone a part.
810
00:45:11,770 --> 00:45:17,020
♪ But when I woke up this morning,
could have sworn it was Judgment Day ♪
811
00:45:17,220 --> 00:45:19,410
♪
812
00:45:19,610 --> 00:45:24,450
♪ So tonight I'm gonna party
like it's 1999 ♪
813
00:45:24,650 --> 00:45:25,330
Whoo!
814
00:45:25,530 --> 00:45:27,710
Prince, being our mentor,
used to always say
815
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:30,915
we should all be trying
to make visual records.
816
00:45:31,115 --> 00:45:34,120
Just like how Sly's music
took you someplace.
817
00:45:34,130 --> 00:45:37,050
It took you to a place
apart from where you were
818
00:45:37,250 --> 00:45:40,130
and dropped you off into a place
that you might have dreamed of.
819
00:45:46,300 --> 00:45:49,760
♪ Them summer days ♪
820
00:45:49,770 --> 00:45:53,690
♪ Those summer days ♪
821
00:45:54,810 --> 00:45:57,520
♪ I cloud nine when I want to ♪
822
00:46:00,230 --> 00:46:04,120
♪ Out of school, yeah, yeah ♪
823
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:09,165
♪ A county fair in the country sun ♪
824
00:46:09,365 --> 00:46:12,767
♪ And everything is cool ♪
825
00:46:12,967 --> 00:46:16,370
♪ Oh, yeah, yeah ♪
826
00:46:16,380 --> 00:46:20,930
♪ Hot fun in the summertime,
oh, yeah ♪
827
00:46:21,130 --> 00:46:25,470
Sly post-Woodstock
is the darling of the rock world.
828
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,150
♪ First of the fall
and there she goes ♪
829
00:46:30,350 --> 00:46:33,250
There was an idea that a big rock band
830
00:46:33,450 --> 00:46:36,150
wasn't necessarily a Black thing.
831
00:46:36,350 --> 00:46:38,610
And Sly comes into that space
and owns it.
832
00:46:38,810 --> 00:46:41,945
That's not him
crossing over into that sound.
833
00:46:42,145 --> 00:46:45,080
He's crossing other audiences
over to him.
834
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,160
Little Richard, Chuck Berry,
even Ray Charles
835
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,040
never had access to both white mainstream
836
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:54,105
and the Black audiences
the way that Sly does by 1970.
837
00:46:54,305 --> 00:46:57,170
He found himself
on the cover of Rolling Stone.
838
00:46:58,710 --> 00:47:01,300
By that time, the focus was on Sly,
839
00:47:01,500 --> 00:47:04,560
because he's the up-front person,
he's the spokesman.
840
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:09,270
So, he had a tremendous pressure
and weight on his shoulders.
841
00:47:09,470 --> 00:47:12,470
The money must be sort of
pouring in on you people at this point.
842
00:47:12,670 --> 00:47:14,220
What is the main thing you're doing now?
843
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:16,440
Doing an album,
and we're gonna do concerts.
844
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,280
And we're getting a lot of money,
and it's nice to have a lot of money.
845
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:24,320
But I don't want to turn into the kind of
person that, because of an extra dollar,
846
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,120
turned into the kind of person
because of an extra dollar.
847
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,960
Oftentimes when Black artists
are held in the limelight,
848
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,625
they're automatically expected
to represent their people.
849
00:47:34,825 --> 00:47:38,290
Yeah, man, some people do want
to put you on that pedestal.
850
00:47:39,290 --> 00:47:42,790
Like you are the spokesperson
for all Black people.
851
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,380
They're depending on you,
and they're counting on you.
852
00:47:46,580 --> 00:47:50,675
It's enough just, um, navigating
and coping
853
00:47:50,875 --> 00:47:54,970
through the change
in your life that happens
854
00:47:55,170 --> 00:47:57,530
when you become a celebrity,
855
00:47:57,730 --> 00:48:01,400
or somebody that is, you know,
quote-unquote, "famous."
856
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,740
Just that within itself
is a huge paradigm shift.
857
00:48:06,940 --> 00:48:08,540
At one point,
858
00:48:08,740 --> 00:48:11,780
the Black Panthers
approached Sly for his involvement.
859
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,590
They were trying
to make us be one of them.
860
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:21,830
We weren't a political band,
but we were singing about racial issues.
861
00:48:22,030 --> 00:48:26,590
So, I can see why people labeled us
as a political movement.
862
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:31,060
♪ Don't call me nigga, whitey ♪
863
00:48:31,260 --> 00:48:35,610
♪ Don't call me whitey, nigga ♪
864
00:48:35,810 --> 00:48:37,980
With the Panthers,
what does involvement mean?
865
00:48:38,180 --> 00:48:40,280
Does it mean contributing
to the food pantry?
866
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,690
Does it mean showing up
somewhere for a rally?
867
00:48:43,890 --> 00:48:45,230
All power to the people.
868
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,840
Sly's getting these pressures
from the Black Panther Party,
869
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,670
but he's not a Black nationalist.
870
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,440
He doesn't believe that
at face value, right?
871
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:20,140
So, he presents a song, a sound, right,
that just speaks palpably to Blackness.
872
00:49:20,340 --> 00:49:22,350
Sly and the Family Stone.
873
00:49:32,820 --> 00:49:35,120
♪ Looking at the devil ♪
874
00:49:37,410 --> 00:49:39,410
♪ Grinning at his gun ♪
875
00:49:41,460 --> 00:49:43,010
♪ Fingers start shaking ♪
876
00:49:43,210 --> 00:49:45,830
Sly is in this incredibly creative space.
877
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,460
Nobody is coming up
with funk like this.
878
00:49:48,660 --> 00:49:50,060
♪
879
00:49:50,260 --> 00:49:55,090
That was the first time you would hear
the thumping and plucking on the bass.
880
00:49:55,290 --> 00:49:57,100
♪ I begin to stop ♪
881
00:49:57,300 --> 00:50:03,180
I didn't realize the impact that would
have on other bass players.
882
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:06,560
And little by little, more and more
bass players are doing it
883
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,520
because folks could physically see
what's happening,
884
00:50:09,530 --> 00:50:13,070
'cause by now,
we've done a lot of live shows.
885
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:14,160
We're on television.
886
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,500
Here are Sly and the Family
known as Stone.
887
00:50:17,700 --> 00:50:22,830
♪ Thank you
falettinme be mice elf agin ♪
888
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,210
♪ Ooh, ooh ♪
889
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:32,510
♪ Thank you falettinme
be mice elf agin, yeah ♪
890
00:50:36,340 --> 00:50:39,560
Thank You felt like it was just
moving things forward.
891
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:44,480
It's just all these intricately beautiful
little moments all working together.
892
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,600
♪ Stiff all in the collar ♪
893
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,270
People love riffs, you know.
894
00:50:52,940 --> 00:50:54,410
People know that.
895
00:50:54,610 --> 00:50:56,910
In 1989, when we were working
896
00:50:57,110 --> 00:50:59,420
on the song Rhythm Nation with Janet,
897
00:50:59,620 --> 00:51:02,940
we had the concept that
Rhythm Nation should be an anthem.
898
00:51:03,140 --> 00:51:06,535
People uniting under the banner
of music to heal the world.
899
00:51:06,735 --> 00:51:09,812
We had the concept,
but what we didn't have was a track.
900
00:51:10,012 --> 00:51:12,890
So, I think Jimmy
and Janet went to dinner.
901
00:51:13,090 --> 00:51:16,180
At a little
Italian restaurant in Minneapolis.
902
00:51:16,380 --> 00:51:19,220
And, you know, there's always music
playing in the background.
903
00:51:19,420 --> 00:51:22,060
They're in the middle of dinner,
and Thank You came on.
904
00:51:22,260 --> 00:51:25,690
And I think to myself,
oh, I love this record.
905
00:51:25,890 --> 00:51:29,560
But then all of a sudden,
when the little bridge part comes in.
906
00:51:39,490 --> 00:51:41,880
- And I just said...
- Jimmy said...
907
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,240
"Can I get the check? Can I get the..."
I mean, I was out of there.
908
00:51:44,250 --> 00:51:47,120
Went back to the studio
and he started to sample...
909
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:48,090
♪
910
00:51:48,290 --> 00:51:50,880
Just that piece of it and cut it up.
911
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:52,790
♪
912
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,880
And I remember putting it into
a little AMS sampler that only...
913
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:57,920
I think the sampler
might have had six seconds
914
00:51:57,930 --> 00:52:01,020
of sampling time.
915
00:52:01,220 --> 00:52:04,510
But it was enough to get in...
916
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,310
And I literally would trigger...
I just triggered it off the drums.
917
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:09,980
I just would go...
918
00:52:12,270 --> 00:52:13,620
♪
919
00:52:13,820 --> 00:52:16,490
Over this beat.
920
00:52:16,690 --> 00:52:18,700
It was amazing.
921
00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:22,200
Janet walked into the studio
and I said, listen to this.
922
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:23,490
And I just played it.
923
00:52:23,690 --> 00:52:25,700
♪
924
00:52:29,370 --> 00:52:31,460
- And she said...
- Is that Rhythm Nation?
925
00:52:32,380 --> 00:52:35,210
And I said, yes. And she said...
926
00:52:35,410 --> 00:52:36,430
Yes.
927
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:40,510
♪ With music by our side
to break the color lines ♪
928
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:44,480
Sly created this musical unity
for my generation.
929
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,150
And to be able to sample that,
and then create that
930
00:52:47,350 --> 00:52:51,100
for the next generation of listeners
is an amazing thing.
931
00:52:51,300 --> 00:52:53,360
It was everything the song needed.
932
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,370
So, thank you...
for making that lick.
933
00:52:56,570 --> 00:53:01,200
♪ We are a part
of the rhythm nation, whoo! ♪
934
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,160
♪ Mama's so happy ♪
935
00:53:07,830 --> 00:53:09,460
♪ Mama start to cry ♪
936
00:53:10,460 --> 00:53:13,080
At that time, the white world
was starting, "You know what?
937
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:14,830
That Sly Stone is doing something."
938
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,850
But if he was gonna keep
the large audience,
939
00:53:18,050 --> 00:53:21,725
he was in a position where he couldn't
show any cracks in the media.
940
00:53:21,925 --> 00:53:25,600
♪ Dyin' young is hard to take,
sellin' out is harder ♪
941
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,270
As a Black man in America,
942
00:53:27,470 --> 00:53:30,110
when you have the microphone
in front of you, what you gonna do?
943
00:53:30,310 --> 00:53:33,965
Are you gonna embarrass us?
What do you have to say for yourself?
944
00:53:34,165 --> 00:53:37,727
His appearance on The Dick Cavett Show,
it's extraordinary,
945
00:53:37,927 --> 00:53:41,490
because Dick Cavett
had this habit of one-upsmanship.
946
00:53:41,690 --> 00:53:43,250
He's gonna be
the smartest guy in the room.
947
00:53:43,450 --> 00:53:46,570
Mister S... Mister...
What do I call you, actually?
948
00:53:46,580 --> 00:53:49,210
Just Misters Misters.
949
00:53:49,410 --> 00:53:51,250
Just, you like the way I did.
950
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,750
There's this whole mind game
that's being played.
951
00:53:56,950 --> 00:53:58,850
Sly is high as a Georgia pine.
952
00:53:59,050 --> 00:54:01,460
He's high as a Georgia pine,
but his mind is right.
953
00:54:01,470 --> 00:54:03,770
I know you're responsible
for all the music that you do
954
00:54:03,970 --> 00:54:07,600
and you... that you write it,
but do you sit down and write it?
955
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,720
- Do you...
- Sometimes I stand up.
956
00:54:13,060 --> 00:54:16,320
And in the middle of this thing,
Sly says to him,
957
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,440
"You know, I'm not... I'm not going
into a battle of wits with you."
958
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,240
You know that Hemingway wrote
on the top of the icebox.
959
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,740
- I'm not trying to match wits.
- No, no, I know.
960
00:54:25,940 --> 00:54:27,250
I say there are writers
who write standing,
961
00:54:27,450 --> 00:54:29,770
- and there are those who write...
- I write in the mirror.
962
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:32,830
- Meaning?
- Looking at a mirror.
963
00:54:38,790 --> 00:54:40,720
- Is there something I don't get about...
- No, do...
964
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:45,300
The reason why I do that is because, uh,
I can somehow, uh,
965
00:54:45,500 --> 00:54:48,730
uh, be a great critique,
you know, for myself.
966
00:54:48,930 --> 00:54:51,400
- Yeah.
- You know, I can react spontaneously
967
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,565
before I realize that I'm going along
with what I'm doing.
968
00:54:54,765 --> 00:54:57,530
And, uh, dislike it or like it
969
00:54:57,730 --> 00:54:59,910
before I realize that I'm doing it.
970
00:55:00,110 --> 00:55:02,595
Sly, as high as he is,
is completely aware
971
00:55:02,795 --> 00:55:05,080
of the game that's being played.
972
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,160
And he's like, uh, "I know what
you're trying to say about me,
973
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:09,460
but, you know,
I'm not taking the bait."
974
00:55:09,660 --> 00:55:12,490
This is kind of a serious question,
kind of a silly question at the same time.
975
00:55:12,500 --> 00:55:14,130
Could I dress like this
and play with your group?
976
00:55:14,330 --> 00:55:16,710
- Any way you like.
- Wouldn't it look funny, though?
977
00:55:16,910 --> 00:55:18,930
I mean, to see somebody
dressed with a tie?
978
00:55:19,130 --> 00:55:21,420
With the people that were judging
the way you were dressing.
979
00:55:21,620 --> 00:55:22,640
Yeah.
980
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,470
There'd probably be a certain
pressure on me, I suppose, to...
981
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:27,430
- There's a pressure on all of us.
- Oh, right.
982
00:55:34,430 --> 00:55:37,110
In America at that time,
with Black artists,
983
00:55:37,310 --> 00:55:40,730
no one else has ever been
elevated to these heights
984
00:55:40,930 --> 00:55:43,020
as Sly Stone was being elevated,
985
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:47,120
not just musically,
but broadly in American culture.
986
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:51,410
If you're Sly Stone,
there is no blueprint
987
00:55:51,610 --> 00:55:53,420
for what comes next.
988
00:55:53,620 --> 00:55:55,330
There's nobody for you
to go talk to, right?
989
00:55:55,530 --> 00:55:57,510
There's never been a Black Elvis, right?
990
00:55:57,710 --> 00:56:00,460
So, you can't go
to this mythical Black Elvis
991
00:56:00,660 --> 00:56:02,790
and ask, "What do I do next?"
992
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:07,550
For Black artists,
a big part of success is guilt.
993
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:10,480
The guilt of not just being chosen,
994
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:15,060
but you're necessarily
going to be leaving the hood.
995
00:56:15,260 --> 00:56:16,980
You're gonna be leaving your family.
996
00:56:17,180 --> 00:56:20,145
You're... you're, you're about to go
on this journey.
997
00:56:20,345 --> 00:56:23,310
If you're in a band,
maybe some of your bandmates
998
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,110
are gonna come with you,
but you're about to go on a journey
999
00:56:26,310 --> 00:56:28,400
that's about to be pretty lonely.
1000
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,070
♪
1001
00:56:32,070 --> 00:56:35,040
Around that period,
we were all still living in the Bay area
1002
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:38,080
when Sly announced
that he was gonna move to LA.
1003
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,620
His rationalization for it made sense.
1004
00:56:41,630 --> 00:56:43,760
It was the center
of the music business.
1005
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,840
Go down there, meet all the right people.
1006
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:51,340
When he decided to
take up residency in Los Angeles,
1007
00:56:51,540 --> 00:56:54,560
we got a big house, Bel Air.
1008
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,230
Bel Air. It was amazing.
1009
00:56:56,430 --> 00:56:57,940
It was huge, it was six acres.
1010
00:56:58,140 --> 00:57:01,810
So, we ended up
with people staying for a week,
1011
00:57:02,010 --> 00:57:03,950
two weeks, just hangers-on.
1012
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:08,120
Also, Sly brought in friends
who came from the streets
1013
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,650
that he'd known for a long time
that he was loyal to,
1014
00:57:11,660 --> 00:57:13,580
and that were loyal to him.
1015
00:57:13,780 --> 00:57:16,250
Sly was my friend from way back.
1016
00:57:16,450 --> 00:57:19,300
And when I got out of jail,
Sly called me.
1017
00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:22,215
He said, "Man, why don't you
come down here?"
1018
00:57:22,415 --> 00:57:25,130
He said, "You can have
anything you want."
1019
00:57:26,170 --> 00:57:29,130
We get to Los Angeles, man,
the house is full.
1020
00:57:29,330 --> 00:57:31,180
This is Sly's newfound set.
1021
00:57:31,380 --> 00:57:33,730
And I haven't been around no white dudes.
1022
00:57:33,930 --> 00:57:36,625
Now, I look like
I'm at a Klu Klux Klan meeting,
1023
00:57:36,825 --> 00:57:39,520
and I done came in the wrong fucking door.
1024
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,850
But somebody say, "Bub!"
Me and Sly, we embrace each other.
1025
00:57:44,050 --> 00:57:45,740
And he said, "Bub, take over."
1026
00:57:45,940 --> 00:57:48,910
I came with a crew,
and we did take over.
1027
00:57:49,110 --> 00:57:53,360
And from that point, Sly knew he can do
whatever the fuck he wanted to.
1028
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,540
Is that a form of separation anxiety?
1029
00:57:55,740 --> 00:57:57,790
Like being separate
from your... your roots?
1030
00:57:57,990 --> 00:58:01,040
Yeah, that... that is a form
of, uh, separation anxiety,
1031
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,165
because, especially as Black people,
we have this thing
1032
00:58:04,365 --> 00:58:07,167
where you always kind of
want to be good in your hood.
1033
00:58:07,367 --> 00:58:10,170
You know, you kind of always
want to be understood,
1034
00:58:10,370 --> 00:58:11,520
acc... accepted in a way.
1035
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,380
So, I think that's always on your mind,
1036
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:16,480
and I think sometimes
it's detrimental to some artists.
1037
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,720
There were a lot of people
all the time, always partying,
1038
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:20,860
a lot of drugs.
1039
00:58:21,060 --> 00:58:23,350
I can remember the rest of us
looking at each other
1040
00:58:23,550 --> 00:58:25,810
and thinking, this might not be good.
1041
00:58:26,010 --> 00:58:28,070
Sly was a vulnerable individual.
1042
00:58:28,270 --> 00:58:30,910
He had incredible
creative capabilities.
1043
00:58:31,110 --> 00:58:34,640
I think to be that capable,
you have to be that vulnerable too.
1044
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,170
Have you gone through
different kinds of changes
1045
00:58:38,370 --> 00:58:40,120
- with all the money coming in?
- Yeah.
1046
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:41,130
How?
1047
00:58:41,330 --> 00:58:45,340
Well, um, the values change a little bit.
1048
00:58:45,540 --> 00:58:49,460
The values change a little bit.
Uh, I know...
1049
00:58:49,660 --> 00:58:51,250
Ask me that question later, okay?
1050
00:58:51,260 --> 00:58:52,350
- Okay.
- Would you do that?
1051
00:58:52,550 --> 00:58:54,470
- Alright.
- Alright. Okay.
1052
00:58:56,470 --> 00:58:59,260
Sly still had the pressure
of making the next record,
1053
00:58:59,460 --> 00:59:01,560
so the label did Greatest Hits.
1054
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,910
He started collaborating
with different people.
1055
00:59:24,110 --> 00:59:26,380
Not much got produced.
1056
00:59:26,580 --> 00:59:29,080
They did music
and got high at the same time.
1057
00:59:29,090 --> 00:59:31,290
Me and Sly, Billy Preston,
1058
00:59:31,300 --> 00:59:34,920
Buddy Miles, and Ike Turner,
that was the crew.
1059
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,640
We'd come in.
You know, we can get high.
1060
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,970
But we create some shit that we can say,
"Okay, let that play."
1061
00:59:42,850 --> 00:59:47,190
At the same time,
the touring got pretty intense.
1062
00:59:48,060 --> 00:59:49,240
You were on tour.
1063
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:53,820
You were doing thousands of cities.
Every day, you were somewhere different.
1064
00:59:54,020 --> 00:59:55,735
Something started to go.
1065
00:59:55,935 --> 00:59:57,650
- Mm-hmm.
- What went?
1066
00:59:57,660 --> 01:00:00,490
Um, uh, being late for concerts.
1067
01:00:07,620 --> 01:00:10,880
Uh, where's Sly?
1068
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:18,010
Around that time, I was
on tour with Sly and the Family Stone.
1069
01:00:18,210 --> 01:00:21,900
My band were the original members
of Funkadelic,
1070
01:00:22,100 --> 01:00:27,020
Bernie Worrell, Tiki Fulwood,
Eddie Hazel, and Billy Bass Nelson.
1071
01:00:27,220 --> 01:00:33,190
♪ You had everything, babe,
a man could want ♪
1072
01:00:33,390 --> 01:00:35,730
Did a gig in Paterson, New Jersey.
1073
01:00:35,740 --> 01:00:37,620
We were supposed to go on
right before Sly,
1074
01:00:37,820 --> 01:00:40,850
and it started to rain,
and we had done one set.
1075
01:00:41,050 --> 01:00:44,080
And Sly's promoter
came over to us and said,
1076
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:45,670
"Sly is in the toilet.
1077
01:00:45,870 --> 01:00:49,580
You're gonna have to go on again
if you want to do the rest of the tour."
1078
01:00:50,670 --> 01:00:54,040
That was really scary because the crowd
was getting a little upset
1079
01:00:54,050 --> 01:00:55,760
and they started to boo.
1080
01:00:55,960 --> 01:01:01,260
And I just screamed into the mic
out of nowhere, like, "Shut up!"
1081
01:01:01,460 --> 01:01:02,810
I was pissed off at Sly.
1082
01:01:03,010 --> 01:01:07,520
I said, "Sly has been in the toilet
for an hour and a half,
1083
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,570
and he's not coming out."
1084
01:01:09,770 --> 01:01:14,520
So, we played for another 20 minutes
and then we figured we'd hang around
1085
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,610
and see how he handles this,
Mr. Big Sly.
1086
01:01:17,810 --> 01:01:20,530
Sly came out
and the crowd was booing.
1087
01:01:20,730 --> 01:01:23,250
It was my fault that we late.
1088
01:01:23,450 --> 01:01:25,960
I am sorry, I apologize.
1089
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,340
But he was so sure of himself.
1090
01:01:28,540 --> 01:01:30,550
Sly had a special power.
1091
01:01:30,750 --> 01:01:31,960
He could control our audience.
1092
01:01:35,130 --> 01:01:36,970
Yeah.
1093
01:01:37,170 --> 01:01:39,760
He can make you sit down,
he can make you stand up.
1094
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,550
Stand your booty up.
You know what I mean?
1095
01:01:42,750 --> 01:01:44,090
He could cause a riot.
1096
01:01:44,100 --> 01:01:47,060
The Chicago riot show.
1097
01:01:47,260 --> 01:01:48,980
I was really too young to be there.
1098
01:01:49,180 --> 01:01:51,585
I snuck down there some kind of way,
yeah, I worked it out.
1099
01:01:51,785 --> 01:01:53,990
It was one of a series
of free rock concerts
1100
01:01:54,190 --> 01:01:56,730
put on by Mayor Daley
in the park district.
1101
01:01:56,930 --> 01:01:57,780
But all hell broke loose.
1102
01:01:57,980 --> 01:01:59,980
The crowd surged toward the stage,
1103
01:01:59,990 --> 01:02:02,705
angry because the featured group
had not yet appeared.
1104
01:02:02,905 --> 01:02:05,420
Did you lose the desire to perform?
1105
01:02:05,620 --> 01:02:07,870
Was it not as much fun
as it had been in the early days?
1106
01:02:08,070 --> 01:02:09,830
Well, it's not as much fun if you get,
you know,
1107
01:02:10,030 --> 01:02:11,960
accused of, uh, doing things like that.
1108
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,670
I was there when it was
advertised that I wasn't.
1109
01:02:18,090 --> 01:02:20,630
And a few of those kind of times
can get on your nerves.
1110
01:02:22,220 --> 01:02:27,300
After that, the real inclination
to be late became a habit.
1111
01:02:28,350 --> 01:02:29,970
And of course,
then it progressed from there
1112
01:02:30,170 --> 01:02:31,330
to where he didn't show up at all.
1113
01:02:32,270 --> 01:02:35,110
More than anything, it was anxiety.
1114
01:02:35,310 --> 01:02:38,425
He would get nervous.
And I'm like, "What is wrong with you?
1115
01:02:38,625 --> 01:02:41,740
How can you be nervous
and you do this all the time?"
1116
01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:45,960
He wasn't one to let on to being anxious.
1117
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:50,990
He always seemed to handle it,
like, "Okay, I got this," you know?
1118
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:55,870
When the drugs became more dominant,
it wasn't the case.
1119
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,210
- I'm relaxing, man.
- Okay, what about you?
1120
01:02:58,410 --> 01:02:59,640
Huh?
1121
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:01,680
- Otto.
- Otto?
1122
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:03,180
- Otto...
- Otto.
1123
01:03:03,380 --> 01:03:05,840
- Right.
- Oh, you came... you came from Kenya.
1124
01:03:09,140 --> 01:03:11,180
- Are you the boss?
- I'm the boss.
1125
01:03:11,380 --> 01:03:12,810
You ain't no boss.
1126
01:03:15,060 --> 01:03:17,350
Sly kind of stayed
in his bedroom a lot,
1127
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:21,020
and there were pounds of blow
coming in.
1128
01:03:21,030 --> 01:03:24,540
But when Sly was on that PCP shit,
1129
01:03:24,740 --> 01:03:26,890
that's when it started fucking up.
1130
01:03:27,090 --> 01:03:29,040
Angel dust, PCP.
1131
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:32,475
There are severe
and sometimes lasting reactions.
1132
01:03:32,675 --> 01:03:35,910
At that time, I was living with Sly.
1133
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:39,080
He was a really good guy
who had a big heart,
1134
01:03:39,090 --> 01:03:41,640
and he was generous and kind.
1135
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,510
But at that point, he would take
barbiturates to go to sleep,
1136
01:03:45,710 --> 01:03:46,560
and still do coke.
1137
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,940
It was like watching something
fall over slowly.
1138
01:03:49,140 --> 01:03:52,970
You basically were his mother,
watching out for him,
1139
01:03:53,170 --> 01:03:54,860
making him eat
when he would wake up.
1140
01:03:55,060 --> 01:03:58,350
You had to get some food into him,
because if he got the coke into him
1141
01:03:58,550 --> 01:04:00,240
before the food, he wouldn't eat.
1142
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:04,240
And then, you know, I was like
all the other women in his life
1143
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,240
who loved him, tried to get him to stop...
to stop the drugs.
1144
01:04:13,290 --> 01:04:15,840
I couldn't stop him.
I couldn't.
1145
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,710
Nothing... the drugs
were more important.
1146
01:04:18,910 --> 01:04:20,750
The most important thing in his life.
1147
01:04:21,750 --> 01:04:24,470
So, you've had
personal experience with this.
1148
01:04:24,670 --> 01:04:29,840
Um, why would someone turn to,
say cocaine,
1149
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,100
as a coping mechanism?
1150
01:04:32,300 --> 01:04:34,230
This is the '60s and '70s.
1151
01:04:34,430 --> 01:04:37,930
Those were pivotal times
in the use of certain drugs.
1152
01:04:37,940 --> 01:04:42,270
Um, but, um, to self-medicate,
1153
01:04:42,470 --> 01:04:46,370
and to self-soothe,
1154
01:04:46,570 --> 01:04:50,950
and to try... trying to attain
a false sense
1155
01:04:51,150 --> 01:04:54,660
of everything's okay, when it's not,
1156
01:04:54,860 --> 01:04:57,960
you know, um, that's dangerous.
1157
01:05:00,750 --> 01:05:03,170
With the no-shows and the drugs,
1158
01:05:03,370 --> 01:05:04,760
it was just chaos.
1159
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:09,550
The existence of the band
was a little bit over five-year period.
1160
01:05:10,550 --> 01:05:14,510
In the beginning,
it was all about the music, period.
1161
01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:19,100
And then, it became
all about other things.
1162
01:05:20,310 --> 01:05:21,980
Those weren't all good things.
1163
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,610
And then, when I felt that I just...
1164
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,740
that I couldn't affect that any longer...
1165
01:05:31,950 --> 01:05:34,370
I just... and that, that you know,
wasn't comfortable,
1166
01:05:34,570 --> 01:05:37,200
and things were...
weren't happening good,
1167
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,170
and, um, that's...
1168
01:05:40,370 --> 01:05:43,735
so I made my decision to leave,
and that's what I did.
1169
01:05:43,935 --> 01:05:47,932
Matter of fact, I didn't leave
to go do something else.
1170
01:05:48,132 --> 01:05:52,130
I took off a year.
I was... I just would... had to stop.
1171
01:05:56,510 --> 01:05:59,125
Greg leaving, I mean,
I got sick to my stomach.
1172
01:05:59,325 --> 01:06:01,940
We were all brokenhearted over it.
1173
01:06:04,610 --> 01:06:07,675
At that point, Sly was doing
a lot of the tracks himself.
1174
01:06:07,875 --> 01:06:10,940
He played all the instruments,
and he would lay down tracks
1175
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:13,120
upstairs in his studio,
which was in the attic,
1176
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:17,330
and then he would bring in some
of the guys to put in some extra stuff.
1177
01:06:17,530 --> 01:06:19,630
Okay, man, you splice
the best way you can.
1178
01:06:19,830 --> 01:06:21,450
Freddie'd come down there
and knock it out.
1179
01:06:21,460 --> 01:06:23,050
Larry would fly in, knock it out.
1180
01:06:23,250 --> 01:06:25,470
I was already there.
I'd go do my horn part.
1181
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:29,420
Hey, can we splice something in?
Hey, man, play the last thing, okay?
1182
01:06:29,620 --> 01:06:31,060
They were demoralized.
1183
01:06:31,260 --> 01:06:32,640
They were feeling
like they weren't needed.
1184
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,350
Hey, hey, hey, hey.
What are you doing?
1185
01:06:35,550 --> 01:06:40,560
After I left, Sly kept calling,
and I didn't... I didn't participate.
1186
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,900
So, he started using
a drum machine.
1187
01:06:43,100 --> 01:06:46,350
- It was called the Rhythm King.
1188
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,110
Drum machines weren't sophisticated
like they are today.
1189
01:06:49,310 --> 01:06:52,940
It was a pretty simple
and uninspiring thing.
1190
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:55,290
It had cha-chas and stuff like that.
1191
01:06:55,490 --> 01:06:58,660
It would... you'd hear it in a lounge
in a Holiday Inn.
1192
01:07:16,970 --> 01:07:19,770
So, Sly took this little rhythm machine,
1193
01:07:19,970 --> 01:07:22,470
and he started using it
very cleverly, actually.
1194
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:27,150
He took the rhythm, which wasn't anything
sophisticated, or funky, or fun,
1195
01:07:27,350 --> 01:07:29,440
he turned it around,
and he would start the one...
1196
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,920
instead of on one, two, three, four,
1197
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:36,400
he'd start the one on two,
or on three,
1198
01:07:36,410 --> 01:07:39,030
which took the rhythm
that it was producing
1199
01:07:39,230 --> 01:07:40,500
and turned it inside out.
1200
01:07:40,700 --> 01:07:44,585
It made it s...
"Oh, that's interesting now," you know?
1201
01:07:44,785 --> 01:07:48,670
And so, he actually created
an iconic thing with it.
1202
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:53,300
It became...
a game-changer again.
1203
01:07:58,260 --> 01:08:01,720
♪ It's a family affair ♪
1204
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:06,190
♪ It's a family affair ♪
1205
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:10,480
♪ It's a family affair ♪
1206
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:15,280
♪ It's a family affair ♪
1207
01:08:16,820 --> 01:08:20,750
♪ One child grows up to be ♪
1208
01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:23,170
♪ Somebody that just loves to learn ♪
1209
01:08:23,370 --> 01:08:29,620
♪ And another child
grows up to be ♪
1210
01:08:29,630 --> 01:08:32,420
♪ Somebody you'd just love to burn ♪
1211
01:08:34,170 --> 01:08:38,480
♪ Mom loves the both of them ♪
1212
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,010
♪ You see, it's in the blood ♪
1213
01:08:42,810 --> 01:08:46,980
♪ Both kids are good to Mom ♪
1214
01:08:47,180 --> 01:08:51,030
♪ Blood's thicker than the mud,
it's a family affair ♪
1215
01:08:51,230 --> 01:08:55,730
- ♪ It's a family affair ♪
- ♪ It's a family affair ♪
1216
01:08:55,740 --> 01:08:58,870
- ♪ It's a family affair ♪
- ♪ Over there ♪
1217
01:08:59,070 --> 01:09:02,540
I had always heard Sly
on the pop white radio, basically.
1218
01:09:02,740 --> 01:09:07,200
But when Family Affair came out,
the R&B stations went on it right away.
1219
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,910
The Frankie Crockers
and the Georgie Woods,
1220
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,500
they went on that one right out the box,
and it was one of them club records.
1221
01:09:13,700 --> 01:09:15,840
You know, you go by the bar
any time of day.
1222
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:20,180
♪ Newlywed a year ago ♪
1223
01:09:20,380 --> 01:09:24,600
♪ But you're still checking
each other out, hey ♪
1224
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:26,270
♪ Nobody ♪
1225
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:28,570
It was like that anthem
that everybody would sing,
1226
01:09:28,770 --> 01:09:32,420
but lyrically, what he was trying to say
is a little sad for me.
1227
01:09:32,620 --> 01:09:36,270
He was just laying out
the dysfunction of family.
1228
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:37,450
Talking about it's a family affair.
1229
01:09:37,650 --> 01:09:38,910
You know, you don't understand it,
you don't get it.
1230
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:42,515
That had never been a subject
of a popular song before.
1231
01:09:42,715 --> 01:09:45,920
♪ You can't cry
'cause you'll look broke down ♪
1232
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,170
♪ But you're cryin' anyway
'cause you're all broke down ♪
1233
01:09:49,370 --> 01:09:53,010
- ♪ It's a family affair ♪
- ♪ It's a family affair ♪
1234
01:09:53,210 --> 01:09:57,180
There's a Riot Goin' On.
It took two and a half years
1235
01:09:57,380 --> 01:10:01,880
for Sly to produce that album
because everything was falling apart.
1236
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:05,310
The record company
was on my case, big-time.
1237
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:08,935
So, I created a campaign called
"Two and a half years
1238
01:10:09,135 --> 01:10:12,560
is a short time to wait
for a work of genius."
1239
01:10:15,610 --> 01:10:17,780
♪
1240
01:10:19,150 --> 01:10:22,610
With There's a Riot Goin' On,
I don't think that Sylvester Stewart
1241
01:10:22,810 --> 01:10:25,570
could face doing another
Everyday People.
1242
01:10:30,910 --> 01:10:33,220
Hippie Nation, they got co-opted.
1243
01:10:33,420 --> 01:10:35,670
The civil rights dream,
it didn't happen.
1244
01:10:35,870 --> 01:10:37,750
♪
1245
01:10:40,130 --> 01:10:42,595
The anxiety, the pressure,
the drug use
1246
01:10:42,795 --> 01:10:45,052
pushed him
into this whole other space.
1247
01:10:45,252 --> 01:10:47,596
♪ Feel so good inside myself ♪
1248
01:10:47,796 --> 01:10:49,940
♪ Don't want to move ♪
1249
01:10:50,140 --> 01:10:54,520
♪ Feel so good inside myself,
don't need to move ♪
1250
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:59,440
♪ As I go up, I'm going down ♪
1251
01:11:00,780 --> 01:11:03,700
♪ And when I'm lost,
I know I will be found ♪
1252
01:11:03,900 --> 01:11:06,620
- ♪ Feel so good ♪
- ♪ Yeah, yeah ♪
1253
01:11:06,820 --> 01:11:10,130
- ♪ Oh, don't want to move ♪
- ♪ Yeah ♪
1254
01:11:10,330 --> 01:11:13,830
♪ Feel so good inside myself,
don't need to move ♪
1255
01:11:15,460 --> 01:11:19,840
Riot is the grime, it's dirt,
and it's him grabbing his nuts on it.
1256
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:24,420
The title itself is an answer to
Marvin Gaye's What's Going On,
1257
01:11:24,430 --> 01:11:26,890
which was so beautifully seductive.
1258
01:11:27,090 --> 01:11:29,550
Riot is raw.
It's raw as fuck.
1259
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:32,100
♪
1260
01:11:49,410 --> 01:11:52,500
I hear a person
that is reimagining his own music
1261
01:11:52,700 --> 01:11:56,130
at that time to stay interested
and try different things.
1262
01:11:56,330 --> 01:11:59,750
With Thank You for Talkin' to Me, Africa,
he was doing chopped and screwed
1263
01:11:59,950 --> 01:12:01,720
before chopped and screwed.
1264
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:08,100
♪ Thank you falettinme
be mice elf agin ♪
1265
01:12:08,300 --> 01:12:11,900
'Cause he had huge pop success
from Woodstock,
1266
01:12:12,100 --> 01:12:15,560
I could see Sly wanting to say,
"Now, wait a minute now.
1267
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,490
"I'm... I'm still a brother, you know.
1268
01:12:17,690 --> 01:12:19,560
"I'm still a nigga,
you know what I'm saying?
1269
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:20,810
I'll still fuck y'all niggas up."
1270
01:12:20,820 --> 01:12:23,280
I can see Sly being on
some shit like that.
1271
01:12:24,990 --> 01:12:26,910
There's a Riot Goin' On album cover.
1272
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:31,910
That red, black, and white flag
inspired the Stankonia album cover.
1273
01:12:32,110 --> 01:12:35,340
To wrap that flag around you
is interesting
1274
01:12:35,540 --> 01:12:39,500
when you see a Black person do it,
because you know our version of America
1275
01:12:39,700 --> 01:12:43,400
is... is different from the rest
of the world's view of America.
1276
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:47,300
We're in an America,
but then we're in a Black America too.
1277
01:12:47,500 --> 01:12:48,810
We're in two different realities.
1278
01:12:49,010 --> 01:12:54,190
♪ My only weapon is my pen ♪
1279
01:12:54,390 --> 01:12:58,690
♪ And the frame of mind I'm in ♪
1280
01:12:58,890 --> 01:13:03,480
With Riot, some people felt
fundamentally betrayed, you know?
1281
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:05,910
They said,
"Oh, well, we thought you were...
1282
01:13:06,110 --> 01:13:09,055
"We thought you were an integrationist.
We thought you were an accommoda...
1283
01:13:09,255 --> 01:13:12,192
Uh, we thought we were... we thought
we were good, we were cool," right?
1284
01:13:12,392 --> 01:13:15,330
And there's some shocking things
that critics had to say about him.
1285
01:13:15,530 --> 01:13:19,050
♪ Yeah, a poet ♪
1286
01:13:19,250 --> 01:13:22,290
The sharpness of those critiques
says that he was being punished.
1287
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,970
♪ Said the things I flash on every day ♪
1288
01:13:27,170 --> 01:13:31,130
Black musicians were still,
in the eyes of many, just entertainers.
1289
01:13:31,140 --> 01:13:34,100
♪ Reflect on what I say ♪
1290
01:13:35,390 --> 01:13:36,650
And part of what the critics are saying
1291
01:13:36,850 --> 01:13:40,400
in their critique of Riot
is, "Just entertain us."
1292
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:44,150
What is this self-indulgent,
uppity nigga shit?
1293
01:13:44,860 --> 01:13:46,370
Do you think
there's a double standard
1294
01:13:46,570 --> 01:13:49,690
where some artists are allowed
to change, and grow, and evolve,
1295
01:13:49,700 --> 01:13:51,890
and then some artists
aren't allowed to do that?
1296
01:13:52,090 --> 01:13:54,080
Well, if you think about somebody
like David Bowie,
1297
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:59,270
he was allowed to have the space
and the comfort to be able to go
1298
01:13:59,470 --> 01:14:04,460
through his chameleon-like
creative and artistic changes.
1299
01:14:04,660 --> 01:14:07,600
That space is not the same for Sly.
1300
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:11,180
I think with Black innovation,
you're risking people looking at you,
1301
01:14:11,380 --> 01:14:14,760
thinking that you're weird and you're odd,
and you're on to some other shit.
1302
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:16,510
It may fuck with you.
1303
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:21,230
Sly was starting to sing
about unsettling things
1304
01:14:21,430 --> 01:14:24,605
in a way that would creep up on you.
1305
01:14:24,805 --> 01:14:27,980
♪ Runnin' away to get away ♪
1306
01:14:28,180 --> 01:14:30,290
♪ Ha-ha, ha-ha ♪
1307
01:14:30,490 --> 01:14:35,500
♪ You're wearin' out your shoes ♪
1308
01:14:35,700 --> 01:14:39,450
He's really talking about, "Yo, yo, dude,
the walls are closing in on you, ha-ha."
1309
01:14:39,650 --> 01:14:44,120
♪ The deeper in debt,
the harder you bet ♪
1310
01:14:44,130 --> 01:14:49,500
♪ He-he, he-he,
you need more room to play ♪
1311
01:14:49,510 --> 01:14:52,325
"The deeper in debt, the harder you bet."
1312
01:14:52,525 --> 01:14:55,140
That in particular always gets to me.
1313
01:14:55,340 --> 01:14:58,300
- ♪ Look at you foolin' you ♪
- "Look at you foolin' you."
1314
01:14:58,310 --> 01:15:01,100
It's like you're speaking
to your own subconscious.
1315
01:15:02,140 --> 01:15:05,780
I think he had a lot
of insecurity, a lot of fear.
1316
01:15:05,980 --> 01:15:10,070
He never talked to me about fear,
because he was very proud.
1317
01:15:10,270 --> 01:15:14,050
But I think his fear started
when Greg left the band,
1318
01:15:14,250 --> 01:15:18,030
because he never thought anybody
in the band would leave.
1319
01:15:18,990 --> 01:15:22,950
Paranoia might have set in.
You know, people start losing it.
1320
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,260
Little petty things start happening.
1321
01:15:25,460 --> 01:15:28,960
Anything that's negative.
I always have a tendency
1322
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:31,010
to, you know, drift away from that.
1323
01:15:31,210 --> 01:15:36,515
I didn't see any issues with
Sly and Larry at the beginning,
1324
01:15:36,715 --> 01:15:41,820
but there were people around
that stirred up stuff.
1325
01:15:42,020 --> 01:15:45,235
There was rumors
that Larry was afraid for his life,
1326
01:15:45,435 --> 01:15:48,650
'cause, you know, Bubba and some...
some other stuff.
1327
01:16:00,700 --> 01:16:02,500
When you're in a family,
1328
01:16:02,700 --> 01:16:07,540
there just comes a point
where you leave home.
1329
01:16:08,830 --> 01:16:12,420
When it was time to go, I just left.
1330
01:16:13,710 --> 01:16:16,050
It wasn't complicated.
1331
01:16:16,250 --> 01:16:18,590
It's just, I'm gone.
1332
01:16:24,060 --> 01:16:26,890
What's your definition of self-sabotage?
1333
01:16:28,350 --> 01:16:31,520
There are a million ways
to self-sabotage as an artist.
1334
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,410
Some of them are self-harming,
1335
01:16:34,610 --> 01:16:39,120
you know, through overuse
of drugs and alcohol.
1336
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:42,560
Not showing up for shows,
not showing up on time.
1337
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:46,260
The biggest way, though,
is to ruin relationships,
1338
01:16:46,460 --> 01:16:49,960
because most art
requires collaboration.
1339
01:16:52,090 --> 01:16:54,170
♪
1340
01:16:57,220 --> 01:16:59,840
After that, I felt like,
what more could happen?
1341
01:17:01,220 --> 01:17:02,690
Sly would bring in new members.
1342
01:17:02,890 --> 01:17:05,720
Rustee learned all of Larry's parts.
He's a hell of a bass player.
1343
01:17:05,730 --> 01:17:07,680
♪ Bullets start chasin' ♪
1344
01:17:07,690 --> 01:17:10,400
He hired Pat Rizzo.
He was a great jazz player.
1345
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:11,570
♪ I begin to stop, ow ♪
1346
01:17:11,770 --> 01:17:15,370
Andy Newmark came in.
He was a badass drummer.
1347
01:17:15,570 --> 01:17:18,805
♪ Thank you falettinme
be mice elf agin ♪
1348
01:17:19,005 --> 01:17:22,240
We were still a great band.
1349
01:17:23,910 --> 01:17:27,120
But the original band
could not be duplicated.
1350
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:28,960
All you can do is just make shit work.
1351
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:31,040
♪
1352
01:17:33,170 --> 01:17:36,000
Sly didn't need the band.
He needed the band to tour
1353
01:17:36,010 --> 01:17:38,760
because the audience
needed to hear the hits.
1354
01:17:39,970 --> 01:17:42,050
But for the music
that Sly had in his head,
1355
01:17:42,250 --> 01:17:44,020
the band wasn't necessary.
1356
01:17:44,220 --> 01:17:47,645
The sense of collectivism
had completely vanished,
1357
01:17:47,845 --> 01:17:51,070
and he had become
the subject of the music.
1358
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:55,030
His self-inflicted wounds,
the ways in which he messed up,
1359
01:17:55,230 --> 01:17:59,070
the ways in which he could
have died of a drug overdose.
1360
01:17:59,270 --> 01:18:00,870
♪ Yeah, oh ♪
1361
01:18:01,070 --> 01:18:04,780
♪ Sunday morning,
I forgot my prayer ♪
1362
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:10,120
♪ I should have been happy,
yeah, I still be there ♪
1363
01:18:11,500 --> 01:18:13,580
- ♪ Something could have come ♪
- ♪ Thankful ♪
1364
01:18:13,780 --> 01:18:15,960
♪ And taken me away ♪
1365
01:18:17,130 --> 01:18:18,840
- ♪ But the main man felt ♪
- ♪ Thoughtful ♪
1366
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:21,310
♪ Syl should be here another day ♪
1367
01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:25,800
The words and the music are indicative
of the life that I live.
1368
01:18:25,810 --> 01:18:30,230
So, it's the truth, so...
and you can't really get around the people
1369
01:18:30,430 --> 01:18:31,690
when they hear the truth.
1370
01:18:31,890 --> 01:18:34,600
If you live long enough,
they'll find out
1371
01:18:34,610 --> 01:18:38,220
whether you're telling the truth
or whether you're jiving.
1372
01:18:38,420 --> 01:18:42,030
♪ There's a mickey
in the tasting of disaster ♪
1373
01:18:42,230 --> 01:18:44,240
- ♪ In time ♪
- ♪ In time ♪
1374
01:18:44,440 --> 01:18:45,500
♪ You get faster ♪
1375
01:18:45,700 --> 01:18:49,830
Fresh is the last great
Sly and the Family Stone record.
1376
01:18:50,030 --> 01:18:51,250
♪ As if he has to ♪
1377
01:18:52,500 --> 01:18:55,130
In many ways,
that's the purest Sly that we hear.
1378
01:18:55,330 --> 01:18:57,650
Not driven by the market,
looking inward.
1379
01:18:57,850 --> 01:18:59,970
♪ Something moving in the brain ♪
1380
01:19:00,170 --> 01:19:02,075
But the music was going
in a different direction,
1381
01:19:02,275 --> 01:19:04,180
and it was not reaching
white people anymore.
1382
01:19:04,380 --> 01:19:05,350
♪ Feel a little newer ♪
1383
01:19:05,550 --> 01:19:09,010
Even with all of his
sophistication and his charm,
1384
01:19:09,210 --> 01:19:13,020
he was so isolated with his virtuosity.
1385
01:19:13,220 --> 01:19:15,480
One, two, three, unh.
1386
01:19:17,610 --> 01:19:19,450
Faster! Faster! Faster!
1387
01:19:19,650 --> 01:19:22,780
Yeah, alright, uh-huh.
1388
01:19:24,450 --> 01:19:28,740
♪ If you want me to stay,
I'll be around today ♪
1389
01:19:28,940 --> 01:19:32,620
♪ To be available for you to see ♪
1390
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:37,800
♪ I'm about to go,
and then you'll know ♪
1391
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,425
♪ Want me to stay here?
I got to be all me ♪
1392
01:19:41,625 --> 01:19:44,697
By that time,
Sly became a little less relevant.
1393
01:19:44,897 --> 01:19:47,970
He had influenced
so many different artists,
1394
01:19:48,170 --> 01:19:50,360
but new supersedes old, always.
1395
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:54,430
So now, the same musicians
influenced by Sly Stone
1396
01:19:54,440 --> 01:19:56,140
became his competition.
1397
01:19:56,150 --> 01:19:58,860
So, he had to figure out
how to stay on the train.
1398
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:03,900
Guests were here
at Madison Square Garden last night
1399
01:20:04,100 --> 01:20:05,830
where 30-year-old Sylvester Stewart,
1400
01:20:06,030 --> 01:20:09,170
better known as Sly Stone
of Sly and the Family Stone,
1401
01:20:09,370 --> 01:20:12,125
was married to his 20-year-old sweetheart,
Kathy Silva.
1402
01:20:12,325 --> 01:20:15,080
Sly and Kathy already have
a nine-month-old son.
1403
01:20:16,420 --> 01:20:19,000
As a publicity thing,
I thought it was stupid.
1404
01:20:20,090 --> 01:20:22,805
In all reality, I don't know
if I should even say this on here,
1405
01:20:23,005 --> 01:20:25,720
but that's the only way we could
still sell out the Garden.
1406
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:27,980
By the power that is invested in me,
1407
01:20:28,180 --> 01:20:29,810
I pronounce that
they are husband and wife.
1408
01:20:30,010 --> 01:20:31,640
In the name of the Father,
Son, and Holy Ghost.
1409
01:20:36,810 --> 01:20:38,350
♪ My baby ♪
1410
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:42,200
The wedding was the height
of Sly's celebrity,
1411
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,580
but his career
was on a downward trajectory.
1412
01:20:45,780 --> 01:20:49,450
His appearances on talk shows,
hosting music awards.
1413
01:20:49,650 --> 01:20:51,330
♪
1414
01:20:51,530 --> 01:20:55,000
♪ Oh, they still do the polka
In Milwaukee ♪
1415
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:58,470
♪ Still do the waltz in Tennessee ♪
1416
01:20:58,670 --> 01:21:01,080
All this ridiculous shit
that we see him doing.
1417
01:21:01,090 --> 01:21:04,420
We're standing here with the table tennis
men's doubles champion.
1418
01:21:04,620 --> 01:21:06,430
Get him, Sly, get him.
Get him, Sly.
1419
01:21:06,630 --> 01:21:10,220
It's part of the spectacle of him
trying to remain relevant
1420
01:21:10,420 --> 01:21:14,390
when the culture
has passed him by, musically.
1421
01:21:32,370 --> 01:21:34,960
When the band officially broke up?
1422
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:39,000
Probably Radio City Music Hall,
New York.
1423
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:41,080
♪
1424
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:45,930
- Okay, come on, man.
- Okay, we shooting?
1425
01:21:46,130 --> 01:21:49,305
We're gonna... you're gonna be
at the, uh, hall, right?
1426
01:21:49,505 --> 01:21:52,680
We're gonna play.
We got the best group in the world.
1427
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:54,940
Okay?
1428
01:21:55,140 --> 01:21:57,570
I heard that!
1429
01:21:57,770 --> 01:22:00,640
Aren't you gonna ask me about Kathy,
or the baby, or something?
1430
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,610
Exactly. What is happening
with the wife and the baby?
1431
01:22:03,810 --> 01:22:05,780
They're doing what I tell 'em to do.
1432
01:22:07,570 --> 01:22:08,950
'Cause there's rumors that you broke up.
1433
01:22:09,150 --> 01:22:10,410
Tell me how you felt
when you were at the Garden...
1434
01:22:10,610 --> 01:22:12,910
There were rumors that I wasn't
gonna be at Radio City Music Hall.
1435
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:16,280
♪ But you got that wrong ♪
1436
01:22:16,290 --> 01:22:18,750
Okay?
1437
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:21,440
Those performances ended up
being pretty disastrous.
1438
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:23,930
It was empty.
1439
01:22:24,130 --> 01:22:26,040
There was maybe 200 people.
1440
01:22:26,050 --> 01:22:28,880
It was the worst show
that Sly and the Family Stone,
1441
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:30,800
in my opinion, ever played.
1442
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,840
It was a lousy gig.
My chops weren't up.
1443
01:22:34,850 --> 01:22:36,390
We hadn't been playing.
1444
01:22:39,020 --> 01:22:43,650
I went back to my hotel
and Sly left, he... he got out of town.
1445
01:22:44,650 --> 01:22:47,980
But I never got paid,
and so, uh, I was stuck.
1446
01:22:48,180 --> 01:22:49,530
I couldn't pay my hotel bill.
1447
01:22:50,610 --> 01:22:53,250
I didn't think that anybody in this crew
1448
01:22:53,450 --> 01:22:55,660
would ever want to not play
with each other.
1449
01:22:56,950 --> 01:22:59,450
But everybody walked away from it.
1450
01:23:03,250 --> 01:23:05,340
As a Black artist, how hard is it
1451
01:23:05,540 --> 01:23:10,010
to be vulnerable in front
of a world watching you?
1452
01:23:11,010 --> 01:23:14,130
It's really hard.
It's... it's the hardest thing to do.
1453
01:23:14,140 --> 01:23:18,310
The hang-ups, baggage, guilt,
1454
01:23:18,510 --> 01:23:22,040
and the pain and the shame
that comes with it, you know?
1455
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:25,770
And if you don't know how to handle it,
if you don't...
1456
01:23:26,900 --> 01:23:29,830
have your soul centered,
1457
01:23:30,030 --> 01:23:34,160
and people around you
that you really trust,
1458
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:37,200
and people that really know you
and that's really down for you...
1459
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:39,910
Yeah, man, it can be...
1460
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:44,010
could be unbearable, man.
Yeah.
1461
01:23:44,210 --> 01:23:48,090
You... It'll make... it'll turn you
into an unwilling participant.
1462
01:23:49,380 --> 01:23:51,800
And that's... that's equivalent to hell.
1463
01:23:58,010 --> 01:24:01,270
Sly Stone was on the top
of the music scene for ten years.
1464
01:24:01,470 --> 01:24:04,430
He had eight gold records,
toured the world several times,
1465
01:24:04,440 --> 01:24:07,280
caused mob scenes
wherever he went, sold out concerts,
1466
01:24:07,480 --> 01:24:10,120
and packed Madison Square Garden
for his wedding.
1467
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:14,360
But for the past few years, Sly has become
less than a household word.
1468
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:17,370
Well, whatever happened to Sly Stone?
1469
01:24:18,530 --> 01:24:20,130
It's nice to be missed.
1470
01:24:20,330 --> 01:24:22,160
It makes you feel like
you're on the right track
1471
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:24,330
if somebody says,
"Well, where is Sly?"
1472
01:24:24,530 --> 01:24:25,830
I've been relaxing.
1473
01:24:28,290 --> 01:24:31,675
- You mean, you've sort of been on a break?
- Yes.
1474
01:24:31,875 --> 01:24:35,060
If you were just a disc jockey,
say at KSOL still,
1475
01:24:35,260 --> 01:24:40,260
and not Sly Stone, rock star,
do you think that pressures in the...
1476
01:24:40,460 --> 01:24:43,400
in lifestyle would be less, maybe?
1477
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:47,810
I think that I was... if I were doing
anything else, I'd be bored.
1478
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:53,030
So, I just take it... it all in stride.
1479
01:24:53,230 --> 01:24:56,400
You know, I... I have to do
what I do anyway,
1480
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,110
'cause that's what I want to do.
1481
01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:59,620
So much, you know?
1482
01:24:59,820 --> 01:25:03,660
So, it's like, I'm trapped
doing what I want to do anyway.
1483
01:25:03,860 --> 01:25:05,370
Okay, play it.
1484
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:10,880
♪
1485
01:25:12,210 --> 01:25:14,820
At this point,
when Sly would try to recreate
1486
01:25:15,020 --> 01:25:17,430
what he did in the past, it was pathetic.
1487
01:25:17,630 --> 01:25:20,770
It's like a woman or a man
dyeing their hair.
1488
01:25:20,970 --> 01:25:23,850
You can't bring it back.
I mean, it looks dyed.
1489
01:25:24,050 --> 01:25:26,900
♪ Feels like family again ♪
1490
01:25:27,100 --> 01:25:30,980
It sounds like Sly's struggling
to make optimistic records.
1491
01:25:31,180 --> 01:25:33,240
But to make an optimistic record
1492
01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:35,450
when you don't feel optimism
is the worst.
1493
01:25:35,650 --> 01:25:40,070
Toward the end of the '70s,
we almost signed him to Motown.
1494
01:25:40,270 --> 01:25:42,580
His gift was abundant,
1495
01:25:42,780 --> 01:25:46,040
but he was damaged goods
at that point.
1496
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:50,000
How does that make you feel
to see other artists become addicts
1497
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:54,170
in order to cope
with what they're going through?
1498
01:25:54,370 --> 01:25:58,340
If you've been on this heightened,
explosive life,
1499
01:25:58,540 --> 01:26:01,230
your body
has taken in so much energy,
1500
01:26:01,430 --> 01:26:05,560
you've given out so much energy,
and you stop.
1501
01:26:07,310 --> 01:26:09,940
Where does that go?
Where's that energy go?
1502
01:26:11,060 --> 01:26:12,780
Or what are you feeding from?
1503
01:26:12,980 --> 01:26:15,150
What's taking up that space now?
1504
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:19,000
Sly Stone, where have you
been the last few years, man?
1505
01:26:21,410 --> 01:26:23,450
You haven't been doing much.
Are you... you gonna...
1506
01:26:35,340 --> 01:26:37,540
Are you guys gonna be working out
together now, or what?
1507
01:26:38,380 --> 01:26:39,380
- Really?
- Yeah.
1508
01:26:39,580 --> 01:26:40,270
No.
1509
01:26:40,470 --> 01:26:42,310
Me and Sly, we was tight.
1510
01:26:42,510 --> 01:26:45,310
So, when it came time
for P-Funk to go on tour,
1511
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:50,190
we got Sly to open up for us
on the very first Mothership tour.
1512
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:53,940
♪ Time is passing, I grow older,
things are happening fast ♪
1513
01:26:54,140 --> 01:26:58,025
♪ All I have to hold onto
is a simple song at last ♪
1514
01:26:58,225 --> 01:27:01,910
- ♪ Well, let me hear you say ♪
- ♪ Ya ♪
1515
01:27:02,110 --> 01:27:06,830
- ♪ Ya-ya-ya, ya ♪
- ♪ Yeah, whoo, sing a simple song ♪
1516
01:27:07,030 --> 01:27:08,850
We still had fun until we didn't.
1517
01:27:09,050 --> 01:27:10,670
But he did his same habits.
1518
01:27:10,870 --> 01:27:13,250
If the promoters got him
pissed off enough,
1519
01:27:13,450 --> 01:27:14,670
you know, he might not come on.
1520
01:27:16,250 --> 01:27:18,405
- Yeah, we got...
- Sly.
1521
01:27:18,605 --> 01:27:20,560
♪ Ya-ya-ya ♪
1522
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:22,550
Hey, Sly, shake what
you brought with you.
1523
01:27:22,750 --> 01:27:24,100
♪ Ya-ya-ya, ya ♪
1524
01:27:24,300 --> 01:27:26,510
- Everybody...
- I'll be... I'll be back.
1525
01:27:26,710 --> 01:27:28,310
Yeah, yeah!
1526
01:27:28,510 --> 01:27:30,690
Yeah, Sly Stone, y'all!
1527
01:27:30,890 --> 01:27:33,810
You and Sly are hanging out
a lot in the '70s and '80s.
1528
01:27:34,010 --> 01:27:35,850
What was that relationship like?
1529
01:27:35,860 --> 01:27:39,200
90% of the time,
chasing the drugs.
1530
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:42,540
♪ I know you want to ♪
1531
01:27:42,740 --> 01:27:46,015
By then, the crack thing come
and Me and Sly,
1532
01:27:46,215 --> 01:27:49,290
well, I'll put it like that.
We were crackheads.
1533
01:27:49,490 --> 01:27:52,660
Crack... the cheap,
highly addictive form of cocaine.
1534
01:27:52,860 --> 01:27:54,010
What is that feeling like?
1535
01:27:54,210 --> 01:27:56,750
Like, what's the... what's the power
you feel, the rush you feel?
1536
01:27:56,950 --> 01:27:59,040
Almost like getting a nut.
1537
01:28:03,170 --> 01:28:05,575
And the fact is that after that first one,
1538
01:28:05,775 --> 01:28:08,180
it don't happen no more like that.
1539
01:28:08,380 --> 01:28:09,560
You are hooked at that time.
1540
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:12,110
Would you ever talk to him about like,
1541
01:28:12,310 --> 01:28:14,850
"Maybe we should slow down
a little bit or..."?
1542
01:28:15,050 --> 01:28:17,110
Why?
1543
01:28:17,310 --> 01:28:20,520
No, no, hell, no.
I mean, that was... that...
1544
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:22,690
I think that might have been our problem.
1545
01:28:22,890 --> 01:28:24,790
We was like two kids.
1546
01:28:24,990 --> 01:28:27,225
Once we got together,
when we got busted together...
1547
01:28:27,425 --> 01:28:29,460
You guys got busted together?
1548
01:28:29,660 --> 01:28:32,740
Yeah, the police,
before they even said anything to us,
1549
01:28:32,750 --> 01:28:36,870
"Oh, no, Sly Stone and Dr. Funkenstein.
Oh, hell no."
1550
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:41,010
Sly was a master
at transmitting parables,
1551
01:28:41,210 --> 01:28:44,100
and it had to be incredibly difficult
1552
01:28:44,300 --> 01:28:48,270
to find yourself in the middle
of a parable yourself.
1553
01:28:48,470 --> 01:28:50,800
Audiences couldn't get
enough of hits like Everyday People,
1554
01:28:50,810 --> 01:28:52,980
Dance to the Music,
I Want to Take You Higher.
1555
01:28:53,180 --> 01:28:56,770
But behind the scenes,
Sly was taking himself higher, with drugs.
1556
01:28:56,970 --> 01:28:58,990
The effect on his career
was devastating.
1557
01:28:59,190 --> 01:29:02,655
A story of incredible promise
and great success,
1558
01:29:02,855 --> 01:29:06,120
leading to a kind of,
you know, public tragedy.
1559
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:09,860
Sly Stone of the 1970s rock group
Sly and the Family Stone,
1560
01:29:09,870 --> 01:29:11,080
who was arrested last summer
1561
01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:13,040
for possession of cocaine,
pleaded no contest.
1562
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:16,210
He was an eyesore.
He was shameful.
1563
01:29:16,410 --> 01:29:19,290
This person was a renegade,
and America always loves it
1564
01:29:19,490 --> 01:29:22,140
when renegades are brought to heel.
1565
01:29:22,340 --> 01:29:26,510
In the early '80s,
we're entering into a conservatism,
1566
01:29:26,710 --> 01:29:28,930
not just in the media,
but in the general public.
1567
01:29:29,130 --> 01:29:31,140
Drugs are menacing our society.
1568
01:29:31,340 --> 01:29:32,690
Just say no.
1569
01:29:32,890 --> 01:29:35,460
So, I'm not surprised that in Sly's case,
1570
01:29:35,660 --> 01:29:38,030
the reporting was so joyful and gleeful.
1571
01:29:38,230 --> 01:29:42,150
He also lost a small fortune,
blamed on, depending who you talk to,
1572
01:29:42,350 --> 01:29:45,070
high living, bad management,
swindling promoters
1573
01:29:45,270 --> 01:29:46,870
and record producers, and drugs.
1574
01:29:47,070 --> 01:29:51,660
Sly was a great person
to be made an example of,
1575
01:29:51,860 --> 01:29:54,280
and he did himself no favors.
1576
01:29:54,290 --> 01:29:57,800
By the 1980s,
Sly Stone gets totally divorced
1577
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:03,500
from his contributions to the culture
that were so powerful and palpable
1578
01:30:03,700 --> 01:30:06,500
in the late 1960s and early 1970s.
1579
01:30:06,510 --> 01:30:08,430
- You ready to get real good and serious?
- Sure.
1580
01:30:08,630 --> 01:30:10,660
- Yeah, I want to get serious.
- Sure, anything.
1581
01:30:10,860 --> 01:30:12,690
Any... any way you want to go.
1582
01:30:12,890 --> 01:30:16,720
- Were you into the drug scene?
- Y... A bit. A bit.
1583
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:19,030
What did you take?
What were you into?
1584
01:30:19,230 --> 01:30:23,020
I smoked marijuana.
I tried angel dust, which is...
1585
01:30:23,220 --> 01:30:24,320
I wanna do... I wanna do
1586
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:26,425
a public service spot for everybody.
1587
01:30:26,625 --> 01:30:28,330
Do it right here.
Do it on this show.
1588
01:30:28,530 --> 01:30:29,830
- Well...
- Do it right now on angel dust, please.
1589
01:30:30,030 --> 01:30:31,780
I didn't smoke a long time,
I just tried... tried the mess.
1590
01:30:31,980 --> 01:30:33,450
- Please do it for me...
- It's about nothing.
1591
01:30:33,650 --> 01:30:35,250
It's about nothing.
1592
01:30:35,450 --> 01:30:37,990
And the worst thing
that it could be about if...
1593
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,420
when I tried it,
is that there are a lot of people
1594
01:30:40,620 --> 01:30:44,790
that like to be about somebody
that they dig, you know what I mean?
1595
01:30:44,990 --> 01:30:46,890
- Mm-hmm.
- And just because maybe my brain
1596
01:30:47,090 --> 01:30:49,960
did not collapse, and thank God...
All praise is due to who?
1597
01:30:49,970 --> 01:30:51,100
You know what I mean?
1598
01:30:51,300 --> 01:30:54,705
It's too... it's bad for other people
that may admire you.
1599
01:30:54,905 --> 01:30:58,310
My part on this Earth is to be
an example, and it's very hard.
1600
01:30:58,510 --> 01:31:01,350
It's a lonely trip sometimes.
It is.
1601
01:31:02,350 --> 01:31:04,240
Mike Douglas is pushing Sly,
1602
01:31:04,440 --> 01:31:08,320
"Can you say to the crowd
why angel dust is bad,"
1603
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:12,400
but never asking him,
"Where were you in your life
1604
01:31:12,410 --> 01:31:16,210
that you felt the need
to have to take on angel dust?"
1605
01:31:16,410 --> 01:31:20,020
There's a desire for Black folks
to blow up in public.
1606
01:31:20,220 --> 01:31:23,630
And unfortunately,
it's not just white folks.
1607
01:31:23,830 --> 01:31:26,420
There are Black folks
who are complicit in this also,
1608
01:31:26,620 --> 01:31:27,680
because it's human nature.
1609
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:31,060
The first part of it is jokes.
1610
01:31:31,260 --> 01:31:35,340
Then the second thing is usually
some sort of just, like, tear-down.
1611
01:31:35,540 --> 01:31:39,020
And then, lastly, the finishing blow.
1612
01:31:39,220 --> 01:31:41,810
It gets violent, where it's like,
"Fuck that motherfucker."
1613
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:44,570
He had gone into rehab once.
1614
01:31:44,770 --> 01:31:48,940
I remember, um, hearing from a few people
I knew that were in there,
1615
01:31:49,140 --> 01:31:50,450
"Man, Sly looks great."
1616
01:31:50,650 --> 01:31:53,530
And he was doing great.
It was really happening.
1617
01:31:53,730 --> 01:31:56,610
The place is a, uh,
a rehabilitation center.
1618
01:31:56,620 --> 01:31:59,840
Uh, you get a chance to, uh...
1619
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:04,290
to, uh, find out about getting up
early mornings, doing chores.
1620
01:32:04,490 --> 01:32:06,370
You get great therapy.
1621
01:32:06,380 --> 01:32:09,695
There's nice counseling
to find out things about yourself
1622
01:32:09,895 --> 01:32:13,210
that maybe for some reason,
you could have forgotten.
1623
01:32:13,220 --> 01:32:16,140
And, uh, and I'm straight now.
1624
01:32:16,340 --> 01:32:20,970
It lasted for, I don't know,
several months, maybe six months.
1625
01:32:22,060 --> 01:32:25,980
And then, things went back
to the way they were, unfortunately.
1626
01:32:26,180 --> 01:32:30,370
♪ I've been so high
I touched the sky ♪
1627
01:32:30,570 --> 01:32:37,160
♪ And the sky says,
Sly, won't you just try hard to get by ♪
1628
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:40,170
As a kid, hearing about him
1629
01:32:40,370 --> 01:32:45,120
being arrested, or, you know,
for drugs or whatever...
1630
01:32:46,210 --> 01:32:48,130
um, I didn't like it.
1631
01:32:49,290 --> 01:32:51,930
I always wanted him to be the person
1632
01:32:52,130 --> 01:32:55,930
that I was always told he was
when I was a baby.
1633
01:32:56,130 --> 01:32:59,305
My parents separated
around the time I was two.
1634
01:32:59,505 --> 01:33:02,480
They had the divorce a few years later.
1635
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:05,020
He was a rock-and-roller,
and she didn't want me
1636
01:33:05,220 --> 01:33:06,810
to grow up in that life.
1637
01:33:07,810 --> 01:33:11,195
I think that my dad
is really actually shy,
1638
01:33:11,395 --> 01:33:14,652
and I think drugs helped him be fearless.
1639
01:33:14,852 --> 01:33:17,910
My parents are Cynthia Robinson,
1640
01:33:18,110 --> 01:33:22,200
the original and only trumpet player
of Sly and the Family Stone
1641
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:26,495
and Sylvester Stewart, a.k.a. Sly Stone.
1642
01:33:26,695 --> 01:33:30,590
My mom loved him
more than any man.
1643
01:33:30,790 --> 01:33:34,250
She never dated another man
after my dad.
1644
01:33:34,260 --> 01:33:36,220
But he wasn't always around.
1645
01:33:36,420 --> 01:33:39,115
And when I lived with my mom,
I was the only kid around,
1646
01:33:39,315 --> 01:33:42,022
just in an adult world,
to where I thought I was grown.
1647
01:33:42,222 --> 01:33:44,730
One time, I was playing house
with my friends,
1648
01:33:44,930 --> 01:33:47,930
and my dad had just came by,
and every time he would leave,
1649
01:33:47,940 --> 01:33:49,850
there'd be about four
or five razor blades,
1650
01:33:50,050 --> 01:33:50,950
you know, splattered around the house.
1651
01:33:51,150 --> 01:33:54,220
So, I went and grabbed me one,
and my box of chalk,
1652
01:33:54,420 --> 01:33:57,290
and I said, "We gonna do
what the grown folks do."
1653
01:33:57,490 --> 01:34:01,030
So, I got my chalk, and I chopped up
about 37 lines of chalk out there,
1654
01:34:01,230 --> 01:34:02,790
got the Monopoly money, rolled it up.
1655
01:34:02,990 --> 01:34:05,330
Okay, I had the kids out there.
We out there...
1656
01:34:05,530 --> 01:34:06,960
About 19 lines.
1657
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:09,630
We sneezing and shit, and...
1658
01:34:09,830 --> 01:34:12,080
My mama came out and was like,
"What are you doing?"
1659
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:13,760
We got... I mean, it's green and pink,
1660
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:15,510
'cause you know,
the chalk be different colors.
1661
01:34:15,710 --> 01:34:19,180
And I'm talking about, "Nothing!"
She beat the brakes off me.
1662
01:34:20,340 --> 01:34:22,560
I don't know when I became aware
1663
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:26,570
of my dad's issues with the law
or with drugs.
1664
01:34:26,770 --> 01:34:30,060
I didn't have a lot of interaction
with my dad when I was a kid.
1665
01:34:30,940 --> 01:34:35,900
My mother and my dad were together
till I was only about three years old.
1666
01:34:36,100 --> 01:34:39,440
When I was maybe 10 or something,
I called his house,
1667
01:34:39,450 --> 01:34:41,820
and he was so out of it
that he didn't even know who I was,
1668
01:34:42,020 --> 01:34:44,330
and it was just like, I didn't like that.
1669
01:34:44,530 --> 01:34:47,700
It was not a good feeling,
and I wanted... at that point,
1670
01:34:47,900 --> 01:34:49,710
I wanted something better for him.
1671
01:34:55,460 --> 01:34:56,590
♪ Whoo! ♪
1672
01:34:58,380 --> 01:35:02,300
In the years that I was with Sly,
he always wanted to create new music.
1673
01:35:02,500 --> 01:35:04,310
He never focused on his old songs.
1674
01:35:04,510 --> 01:35:08,430
♪ I think I wanna feel ya,
I just wanna thrill ya ♪
1675
01:35:08,630 --> 01:35:11,110
♪ Girl, gotta make you mine ♪
1676
01:35:11,310 --> 01:35:14,490
He thought in order
to make new money, generate new income,
1677
01:35:14,690 --> 01:35:18,020
you have to make new music,
and to make another hit record.
1678
01:35:18,030 --> 01:35:21,080
I needed attention and money,
and I... I needed to do songs.
1679
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:23,700
Yeah. Are you gonna be recording
again soon, or are you working...
1680
01:35:23,900 --> 01:35:25,820
- I'm gonna make some hit records.
- Make some hit records.
1681
01:35:25,830 --> 01:35:27,330
Those... those are the kind
to make, by the way.
1682
01:35:27,530 --> 01:35:28,250
Yeah.
1683
01:35:28,450 --> 01:35:31,550
Business-wise, it was a big mess.
1684
01:35:31,750 --> 01:35:33,550
Most of his royalties have been sold off.
1685
01:35:33,750 --> 01:35:35,755
And those old songs,
he didn't even care about anymore.
1686
01:35:35,955 --> 01:35:37,760
They meant nothing to him.
He never understood,
1687
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:39,840
and I didn't understand
until later, myself,
1688
01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:42,260
that those old songs
could generate money today,
1689
01:35:42,460 --> 01:35:44,470
and they'd play on commercials,
or in a movie,
1690
01:35:44,670 --> 01:35:46,680
or in a television show,
and you can make money
1691
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:48,560
using those songs.
Not a clue.
1692
01:35:52,270 --> 01:35:54,150
Say what?
1693
01:35:54,350 --> 01:35:57,200
I can't hear you.
I can't hear you.
1694
01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:00,425
The crazy way that Black music
traditions are passed down,
1695
01:36:00,625 --> 01:36:03,650
is that very often,
younger folks are gravitating
1696
01:36:03,850 --> 01:36:05,750
to the music of older artists,
1697
01:36:05,950 --> 01:36:10,040
and older artists are absolutely oblivious
to the fact that it's occurring.
1698
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:12,395
Sly and the Family Stone
in the place to be,
1699
01:36:12,595 --> 01:36:14,550
the sixth annual
Zulu Nation anniversary.
1700
01:36:14,750 --> 01:36:18,080
So, there's some irony
to the fact that at the same time
1701
01:36:18,090 --> 01:36:20,890
Sly Stone is trying
to reignite his career,
1702
01:36:21,090 --> 01:36:24,745
there are kids in the Bronx
listening to hip-hop, making hip-hop,
1703
01:36:24,945 --> 01:36:28,600
digging deep in the crates
in the archive of the music
1704
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:30,720
that Sly had produced previously.
1705
01:36:34,140 --> 01:36:36,070
It was so easy for me to sample this.
1706
01:36:36,270 --> 01:36:38,950
Right side is the drums.
1707
01:36:39,150 --> 01:36:42,530
Just the fucking backbone
of the whole joint, you know what I mean?
1708
01:36:42,730 --> 01:36:45,175
Sing a Simple Song
was just the break of all breaks.
1709
01:36:45,375 --> 01:36:47,820
♪ We did it, we did it, we did it ♪
1710
01:36:50,410 --> 01:36:52,420
That drum pattern...
1711
01:36:52,620 --> 01:36:55,145
like that talk between
the kick and the snare,
1712
01:36:55,345 --> 01:36:57,870
that pattern was a precursor to hip-hop.
1713
01:36:57,880 --> 01:36:58,760
Ba-dum.
1714
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:00,890
For hip-hoppers,
Sly set us all up
1715
01:37:01,090 --> 01:37:05,090
for what we were supposed to do
for the next 40, 50 years, and today.
1716
01:37:05,290 --> 01:37:07,480
Sly, man, and Greg, man,
it's like...
1717
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:09,600
This shit's just stomping.
1718
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:12,720
Like he putting foot
on this motherfucker.
1719
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:14,680
♪
1720
01:37:16,730 --> 01:37:19,450
♪ Because I got it like that, whoo! ♪
1721
01:37:19,650 --> 01:37:23,730
Hip-hop preserves Sly's music
because DJs, crate diggers,
1722
01:37:23,930 --> 01:37:25,580
producers, they just hearing the grooves.
1723
01:37:25,780 --> 01:37:30,320
♪ Hey, hey, hey, hey,
hey, hey, hey, hey ♪
1724
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:32,710
♪
1725
01:37:32,910 --> 01:37:35,380
- ♪ Riddle me this, my brother ♪
- ♪ Can you handle it? ♪
1726
01:37:35,580 --> 01:37:38,760
Hip-hop generation,
they're not connected to Sly's history.
1727
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:42,040
They're not thinking about,
"Oh, this is a man destroying himself."
1728
01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:44,775
They're thinking,
"Oh, this is dope."
1729
01:37:44,975 --> 01:37:47,310
♪ Ah-ah-ah-ah,
ah-ah-ah-ah ♪
1730
01:37:47,510 --> 01:37:50,680
♪ Don't call it a comeback,
I've been here for years ♪
1731
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:53,915
♪ I'm rocking my peers, putting suckers
in fear, making the tears ♪
1732
01:37:54,115 --> 01:37:57,632
It's a remarkable thing
when a fragment of music resonates.
1733
01:37:57,832 --> 01:38:01,350
not as nostalgia,
but maybe somebody will go back
1734
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:03,910
and hear some of these tunes
and go, "You know what?
1735
01:38:04,110 --> 01:38:08,400
"I... I've been waiting for somebody
to... to say what that feeling is,
1736
01:38:08,600 --> 01:38:12,530
and this person has done it.
This band has done it."
1737
01:38:18,460 --> 01:38:22,180
In the early '90s,
Sly became reclusive.
1738
01:38:22,380 --> 01:38:25,430
He's given so much.
He's invented an alphabet,
1739
01:38:25,630 --> 01:38:28,920
and other people have written books
with his alphabet.
1740
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:31,020
How much more
can you expect him to do?
1741
01:38:31,220 --> 01:38:34,705
Maybe he was just embarrassed that
he wasn't up to that kind of creativity.
1742
01:38:34,905 --> 01:38:38,390
And maybe if he can't be seen
at his best or heard at his best,
1743
01:38:38,590 --> 01:38:40,440
he'd rather not be seen or heard at all.
1744
01:38:45,900 --> 01:38:47,330
The one thing I've always wanted to see,
1745
01:38:47,530 --> 01:38:49,870
like most people want to see
the Beatles back together,
1746
01:38:50,070 --> 01:38:53,870
is to see Sly and the Family Stone
just standing somewhere in the same room.
1747
01:38:59,460 --> 01:39:02,340
January 12th, 1993,
Sly and the Family Stone
1748
01:39:02,540 --> 01:39:06,590
was inducted in
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
1749
01:39:06,790 --> 01:39:10,840
Um, it... this is really,
truly a great honor.
1750
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:12,140
We all gave our little speeches.
1751
01:39:12,340 --> 01:39:16,010
I can't believe I'm seeing everybody
after all these years and everything.
1752
01:39:16,210 --> 01:39:17,510
It was like a happy night.
1753
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:21,350
We became a family,
living up to the name.
1754
01:39:21,550 --> 01:39:22,900
But Sly wasn't there.
1755
01:39:23,100 --> 01:39:26,360
It was really sad
that some of the group members
1756
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:28,450
or band members could not be here tonight.
1757
01:39:28,650 --> 01:39:31,220
All day long we were sitting
up there trying to figure out
1758
01:39:31,420 --> 01:39:33,990
whether Sly was coming to the show.
Nobody saw him.
1759
01:39:34,190 --> 01:39:35,870
As usual, it's just us.
1760
01:39:36,870 --> 01:39:39,120
And then, he came
out from under the curtain,
1761
01:39:39,320 --> 01:39:41,370
and everybody went crazy.
1762
01:39:43,580 --> 01:39:45,050
- Here he is.
- You showed up!
1763
01:39:45,250 --> 01:39:46,840
Oh, it's this guy here.
1764
01:39:54,050 --> 01:39:56,455
♪ Thank you falettinme ♪
1765
01:39:56,655 --> 01:39:59,060
♪ Be mice elf agin ♪
1766
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:02,980
Thank you.
1767
01:40:08,610 --> 01:40:11,430
I believe everything's
been said, probably.
1768
01:40:11,630 --> 01:40:14,250
I don't want to forget
anybody saying thanks,
1769
01:40:14,450 --> 01:40:19,240
and you know, and...
so, uh, thank you all very much.
1770
01:40:19,440 --> 01:40:21,700
I love you personally
very much, and, uh...
1771
01:40:22,830 --> 01:40:24,750
See you soon.
1772
01:40:28,630 --> 01:40:30,720
It was great.
1773
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:34,550
You know, I remember him saying,
"See you all soon."
1774
01:40:34,750 --> 01:40:36,590
Like, was his last comment.
1775
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:40,560
And you know, he could have.
1776
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:46,480
It could have happened,
but it didn't.
1777
01:40:55,650 --> 01:40:57,700
For about... let's try it
about 12 more times.
1778
01:40:57,900 --> 01:40:59,160
Stand!, take one.
1779
01:41:01,620 --> 01:41:06,080
So, I want to ask you,
is there a burden on Black genius?
1780
01:41:07,420 --> 01:41:08,800
I think so.
1781
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:13,300
I think the burden is that
you do have to do it for everyone,
1782
01:41:13,500 --> 01:41:16,510
you know, and that your...
everybody else's success
1783
01:41:16,710 --> 01:41:18,810
rides on your success,
1784
01:41:19,010 --> 01:41:22,470
and that's a lot of pressure
to put on one's shoulders.
1785
01:41:22,670 --> 01:41:23,640
Um...
1786
01:41:26,230 --> 01:41:28,650
Heavy is the head
that wears the crown, right?
1787
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:33,160
It's a burden and wings.
1788
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:35,830
I think people have two fears
when it comes to, like,
1789
01:41:36,030 --> 01:41:39,570
putting art out... art out into the world,
or anyone who's ambitious.
1790
01:41:39,770 --> 01:41:41,540
A fear of failure and a fear of success.
1791
01:41:41,740 --> 01:41:45,500
And I think that the fear of success
should be the greater fear.
1792
01:41:45,700 --> 01:41:48,160
When things come in between
you and the work,
1793
01:41:48,170 --> 01:41:52,040
and they start becoming
more prevalent than the work,
1794
01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:56,510
the burdens will mount,
mount, become monster,
1795
01:41:56,710 --> 01:41:59,060
step on you, swallow you.
1796
01:41:59,260 --> 01:42:00,680
Wait a minute,
wait a minute, wait a minute.
1797
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:01,690
Who's playing the wrong notes?
1798
01:42:01,890 --> 01:42:03,850
I don't know which one of you guys
are playing the wrong note,
1799
01:42:04,050 --> 01:42:05,320
but I know that one of you
playing the wrong note.
1800
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:07,940
- Let's try it again.
- Rolling on take two.
1801
01:42:09,100 --> 01:42:12,030
Americans desire spectacle,
1802
01:42:12,230 --> 01:42:16,425
and Black artists are treated
1803
01:42:16,625 --> 01:42:20,620
as expendable, in this context.
1804
01:42:20,820 --> 01:42:23,740
We're just gonna eat you up
and we don't care...
1805
01:42:24,990 --> 01:42:26,670
what happens to you.
1806
01:42:26,870 --> 01:42:29,330
We're just gonna consume
what we need to consume from you,
1807
01:42:29,530 --> 01:42:31,880
and then we'll move on
to consume somebody else.
1808
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:33,790
Sing your song and get out of here.
1809
01:42:33,990 --> 01:42:36,140
Here's your $20.
1810
01:42:36,340 --> 01:42:38,890
And go.
Go... Go home.
1811
01:42:39,090 --> 01:42:42,300
When will we ever be allowed
to... to be vulnerable?
1812
01:42:42,500 --> 01:42:43,720
To be human?
1813
01:42:45,100 --> 01:42:48,980
The one question that confronts
Black artists at whatever level,
1814
01:42:49,180 --> 01:42:50,560
is who do you think you are?
1815
01:42:51,730 --> 01:42:53,610
Who do you think you are?
1816
01:42:53,810 --> 01:42:55,360
What you think you doing?
1817
01:42:56,480 --> 01:42:59,540
We see the self-inflicted
wounds of trauma
1818
01:42:59,740 --> 01:43:03,790
being played out on stage
again and again.
1819
01:43:03,990 --> 01:43:07,460
The fact you are
exceptionally gifted, talented,
1820
01:43:07,660 --> 01:43:10,660
you can sing a song and play
multiple instruments,
1821
01:43:10,860 --> 01:43:12,260
none of that protects you.
1822
01:43:12,460 --> 01:43:15,735
What a burden for a human being
to have to carry.
1823
01:43:15,935 --> 01:43:19,210
I... I just can't play it no more.
1824
01:43:19,220 --> 01:43:21,010
Let's try it again.
Take three.
1825
01:43:22,300 --> 01:43:26,980
It is hard to see
how much genius and beauty
1826
01:43:27,180 --> 01:43:30,680
can come out of a person,
but they get sidetracked
1827
01:43:30,690 --> 01:43:32,860
from drugs or some other distraction,
1828
01:43:33,060 --> 01:43:36,690
and... and we're like,
"No, it didn't have to go that way."
1829
01:43:37,530 --> 01:43:40,950
But it's also like our projection
of what we want from a person
1830
01:43:41,150 --> 01:43:45,210
who's been turned into this thing
that means so much to people.
1831
01:43:45,410 --> 01:43:48,450
I hate to say it,
but these white rock-and-rollers,
1832
01:43:48,650 --> 01:43:50,210
motherfuckers go out in style.
1833
01:43:50,410 --> 01:43:53,250
They go out paid.
They go out with their kids around 'em
1834
01:43:53,450 --> 01:43:54,930
like the fucking Godfather movie.
1835
01:43:55,130 --> 01:43:59,630
They died in their tomato garden
with their grandson, laughing and shit.
1836
01:43:59,830 --> 01:44:02,420
Shit taken care of,
generational wealth and shit
1837
01:44:02,430 --> 01:44:03,770
passed down to the children.
1838
01:44:03,970 --> 01:44:07,440
I mean, that's what
we're supposed to be doing.
1839
01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:10,720
I don't have a lot
of normal stories with my dad.
1840
01:44:10,730 --> 01:44:14,060
I know that he spent a lot of time
under a tremendous amount of pressure.
1841
01:44:14,260 --> 01:44:17,810
A lot has been taken from him
over the years.
1842
01:44:17,820 --> 01:44:21,440
But I've always felt like I know
where his soul is coming from,
1843
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:23,240
and I know where his heart is coming from.
1844
01:44:24,110 --> 01:44:26,620
Missing all that time with him,
it was rough.
1845
01:44:26,820 --> 01:44:29,130
But we rekindled our relationship,
1846
01:44:29,330 --> 01:44:32,355
and when we seen each other,
it was just like...
1847
01:44:32,555 --> 01:44:35,380
He cried, I cried,
everybody around us was crying,
1848
01:44:35,580 --> 01:44:37,760
and we was hugging, and shaking,
and all that, you know.
1849
01:44:37,960 --> 01:44:42,710
These last few years are
the most normal times I've had with him.
1850
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:46,245
It was a long journey, but he finally
got clean and got off drugs.
1851
01:44:46,445 --> 01:44:49,770
For his birthday,
I asked him what he wanted to eat,
1852
01:44:49,970 --> 01:44:53,270
and he requested a big pizza
with, like, all of the toppings.
1853
01:44:53,470 --> 01:44:56,700
He's also a big fan of westerns and cars.
1854
01:44:56,900 --> 01:44:59,560
He's kind of just like
a standard old Black man.
1855
01:45:02,740 --> 01:45:03,870
We want the best for him.
1856
01:45:04,070 --> 01:45:08,200
He's given more to us
than we could ever give back to him.
1857
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:12,710
We all have nothing but love for Sly.
1858
01:45:12,910 --> 01:45:17,540
Multiple generations of creators
have been influenced by Sly Stone,
1859
01:45:17,740 --> 01:45:20,375
by his fearlessness,
by his insouciance,
1860
01:45:20,575 --> 01:45:23,010
by his struggles with himself.
1861
01:45:23,210 --> 01:45:27,010
You can look at Sly as a cautionary tale,
and I think that that's not it.
1862
01:45:27,210 --> 01:45:27,890
Sly...
1863
01:45:28,090 --> 01:45:29,020
- Pioneered.
- Innovated.
1864
01:45:29,220 --> 01:45:30,205
- United.
- Struggled.
1865
01:45:30,405 --> 01:45:31,712
- Inspired.
- Survived.
1866
01:45:31,912 --> 01:45:33,220
- Transcends.
- Lives.
1867
01:45:35,270 --> 01:45:37,070
That's a beautiful thing.
1868
01:45:37,270 --> 01:45:42,780
♪ Stand, in the end,
you'll still be you ♪
1869
01:45:42,980 --> 01:45:47,680
♪ One that's done all the things
you set out to do ♪
1870
01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:52,380
♪ Stand, there's a cross
for you to bear ♪
1871
01:45:52,580 --> 01:45:57,670
♪ Things to go through
if you're going anywhere ♪
1872
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:02,880
Do you think
that you were judged too harshly
1873
01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:04,840
because you were a trailblazer?
1874
01:46:07,130 --> 01:46:09,640
No. Not at all.
1875
01:46:11,140 --> 01:46:13,510
I think I... you deserve everything.
1876
01:46:14,600 --> 01:46:18,640
We deserve everything we get
in this life.
1877
01:46:24,150 --> 01:46:27,070
♪
1878
01:46:56,180 --> 01:47:00,020
♪ Just like a baby ♪
1879
01:47:03,860 --> 01:47:09,200
♪ Sometimes I cry ♪
1880
01:47:10,780 --> 01:47:14,410
♪ Just like a baby ♪
1881
01:47:18,790 --> 01:47:24,630
♪ I can feel it when you lie to me ♪
1882
01:47:26,090 --> 01:47:30,590
- ♪ Hey ♪
- ♪ Ooh ♪
1883
01:47:32,890 --> 01:47:37,180
- ♪ Hey ♪
- ♪ Ooh, yeah ♪
1884
01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:41,020
♪ Ooh-ah-hee ♪
1885
01:47:43,020 --> 01:47:44,730
♪ Oh ♪
1886
01:47:44,930 --> 01:47:47,110
♪
1887
01:48:00,410 --> 01:48:02,910
♪ Hee-hee ♪
1888
01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:05,830
♪ Hee-yeah ♪
1889
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:06,890
♪ Yeah ♪
1890
01:48:07,090 --> 01:48:12,510
♪ Hee-yeah, oh yeah ♪
1891
01:48:12,710 --> 01:48:15,050
♪
1892
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:20,270
♪ Just like a baby ♪
1893
01:48:24,940 --> 01:48:28,900
♪ Everything is new ♪
1894
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:31,030
♪ New ♪
1895
01:48:31,530 --> 01:48:35,320
♪ Just like a baby ♪
1896
01:48:39,540 --> 01:48:42,830
♪ Come to find out I'm a whole lot like ♪
1897
01:48:43,030 --> 01:48:46,960
♪ You, too ♪
1898
01:48:47,330 --> 01:48:49,960
♪ Baby ♪
1899
01:48:53,590 --> 01:48:57,340
♪ Just like a baby ♪
1900
01:49:00,640 --> 01:49:02,930
♪ See the babies growin' ♪
1901
01:49:05,440 --> 01:49:08,100
♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh ♪
1902
01:49:08,110 --> 01:49:11,690
♪ Just like a baby ♪
1903
01:49:43,310 --> 01:49:46,315
♪ Ah, ah, oh yeah ♪
1904
01:49:46,515 --> 01:49:49,520
♪ Oh yeah ♪
1905
01:49:51,020 --> 01:49:53,120
♪ Oh yeah ♪
1906
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♪ Ah, well ♪
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