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The search goes on
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in San Francisco for the manknown as the Zodiac Killer.
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The psychotic killerhas already murdered five.
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He claims that he has murdered 13 individuals.
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Of course,our records reflect five.
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The Zodiackiller seems to crave publicity.
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He sent letters and cryptogramsto newspapers and the police.
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Police are now convinced
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that it was the killerof a San Francisco cab driver
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who sat in a swatchof bloody cloth
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with a letter to the SanFrancisco Chronicle.
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This guy is a pathological psycho killer.
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You have those headaches, Sam?
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Since I killed a kid,
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School children...
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make find targets.
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I think I shall wipe outa school bus.
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some morning.
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Just shoot out the front tire
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and then pick off the kiddiesas they come bouncing out.
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We haveno known motive at this time.
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However, we're not overrulingany possibility.
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How about leads?
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We have several leads
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that we're working on,and some of them have
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been barred.
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We have ruled them out.
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No, we're just aboutposition.
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We're still followinga tremendous amount of leads.
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We're getting a tremendousamount of information every day,
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not only from the Bay Areabut from all over the nation.
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The murderers terrorized the Bay Area decades
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ago, the killer taunted policeby sending letters to the media.
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But now a team of independentinvestigators
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says it has identifiedthe Zodiac killer
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I also killed those kids last year.
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Good.....Bye.....
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Can we put “documentaryfilmmaker” instead of “YouTuber”
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Unless one of you guys can thinkof something more pretentious.
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The Zodiac case was one ofthe earlier cases at a time
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that was rifewith serial killers in the USA
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between the 1960sand early eighties,
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there was a multitudeof serial killers
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by a killer who's become nown as the Night Stalker
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A killer
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The police are callingthe Hillside Strangler
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the vine or intent to effectthe death of Lisa Lehey.
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This is where they live.
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Among the stables,barns and phony buildings
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of an old rundown movielocation.
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20 miles from Los Angeles
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has had three of its followersarrested in the investigation
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of the murder of Sharon Tateand six others.
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Well, he said, you've got me.
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Police say those wordsended the biggest manhunt
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in New York City historywith a capture of Son of Sam.
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More bodiesunearthed from the basement
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crawl space of Gacy's NorwoodPark Township home today,
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bringing to 15 the number offound there since Friday.
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I'm called the bananaand I'm looking really good.
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And therewas obviously serial killers
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outside of that time frame,but there was very much
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a grouping of themaround that time.
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And specifically in California,it was awash
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with serial killers.
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And there was a few reasonsfor this.
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All of whichadded up to the key reason.
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And that was the factthat it was just easier
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to get away with murder.
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Big citypolice rejected evidence
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from small town cops like HarveyIrons and police rivalries
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hamperedthe Zodiac investigation
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of possibly 30 murdersall over the state.
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It wasn't handled,as you would handle it today,
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eh...
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because I don't think
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there was the experience thereto actually handle it that way.
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Today,of course, this would have been
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a very different investigationat the crime scene.
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Forensicswould have been on site
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for at least 24 hours, takingeverything from soil samples
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to deep diving into every pieceof available DNA on site.
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Unfortunately, backin those days, that technology
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just wasn't availableto the investigators.
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They had to make do withwhat they had.
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The interdepartmental politicswhere police would be fighting
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that a case is
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theirs or the case issomeone else's,
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along with the factthat DNA evidence just didn't
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exist and forensics in general
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was nowhere near what it istoday, just made it a lot
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easier for people to get awaywith murder back then.
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And serial killersthrived in that environment.
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And the Zodiac Killerwas one of the most famous.
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And it got more and more famousas each year
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where it was unsolvedwent by
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between 1968 and 1987,
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someone calling himself
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the Zodiac
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claimed responsibility
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for up to 40 murders
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and he left behind
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a trail of bodiesand taunting letters.
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Then suddenly the murdersstopped and he went silent.
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Something about thiscase that was different.
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And it became,I think, a battle,
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you know, a chess gamebetween the killer and people
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like Captain Narlow of Napa,who were highly intelligent
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police officerswho really did their best.
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And if you watched a 27 movie
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Zodiac with Mark Ruffalo,Robert Downey Jr,
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Jake Gyllenhaal, you would beforgiven for assuming
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that this case was solved,
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but it couldn't be furtherfrom the truth.
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Officially,it remains unsolved.
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Are people going to bedissatisfied with that?
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I'm going to give them the fullending of the movie,
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but dissatisfiedwith the ending.
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Why has he not been caught?
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Extremely intelligent.
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This man has crafted ciphersthat have never been broken
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to this day.
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A certain amount of luckinvolved too.
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And he's highly skilled.
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He is skilled in explosives,cryptography...
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A mastercriminal?
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A master criminal.
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And uncaught to this day,I still get calls almost daily
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I still get callsalmost daily
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from people who believethey know who the Zodiac is.
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Part of its fameas well was definitely helped
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by the fact that the lead
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detective on the casewas this rock star detective.
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For the last nine years,
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the Zodiac investigationhas been headed by homicide
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inspector David Toschi
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David Toschi, a SanFrancisco homicide detective.
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And the model for the DirtyHarry movies
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vowed to catch the Zodiac,but he never did.
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I have always felt
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a gut feeling
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that he was not dead and thathe was out there somewhere and
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that he would communicatein every manner.
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and everyoneman and his
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dog thought their fatheror their dog did it.
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Um...
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But this case remained unsolvedfor a very long time.
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Now, though, it seems likewe are closer than ever
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to getting a final answeron who the Zodiac is.
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But to really understand how,why and who
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we need to first go back
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to where it all begins.
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The first murders in this casetook place
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in a very quiet and small townin California called Benicia.
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The populationwas probably around 5000.
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It was a sleepy littlecommunity, middle class
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crime rate was
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very, very low.
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The first killings
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and the enduring mystery begannot far from San Francisco.
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It is late one night.
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Five days before Christmas,in December of 1968, David
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in December of 1968, David
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Faraday took Betty Lou Jensenout on their first date.
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The two teenagers made the unfortunate
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choice to park up in a secluded area in Benicia, California,
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shortly after a carpulled up behind them
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with its headlightson full blast.
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A man emergedand began firing into the car.
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A shots fired report was
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called in to the police
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and shortly after dispatchers
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called out,the closest police officers
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to arrive on sceneas soon as possible.
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Sergeant,could you briefly describe
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what apparently happenedlast night?
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Yes, we had a double homicide that took place
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out on a county road about,sometime after 11:00 last night.
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A double homicideinvolving victims were,
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16 year old girland a 17 year old boy.
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What were thecircumstances involved?
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Possibly they were ordered out of the car by the
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the boy, was shotright at this side of the car.
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And the girlapparently tried to run
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and she was shotand found 28 feet
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further on.
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There was one bullet hole that penetrated
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one of the windows of the car.
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Was this a stray bulletor was this one of the bullets
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that hit the victimand went on through?
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This could be a stray bullet or
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a warningbullet of some sort that,
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we can't connect itwith the bodies,
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but it's the same type of shell.
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He reached his gunthrough the window
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and shot David as he exited,
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and Betty Lou was running toward Benicia
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when he shot hersome 26 feet away.
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Five times.
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This was a particularlybrutal murder.
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The killer placed the gunright up against
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David's skull for the last shot.
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And then as BettyLou started running
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as fast as she couldaway from the killer, he fired
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several shots into her back in ain a very, very close pattern.
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Whoever didthis was clearly a marksman.
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They knew how to use a gun,
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obviously, given the factthat there was no known
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related killings at the time.
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The police were a little bit
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dumbstruck by whatthe motive could be for this.
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Do you have any idea what the possible motive might
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be for this killing?
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We have no motive at this time.
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And within a few days,a picture started to form
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that this could be drugsrelated, which was at first
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thrown out because BettyLou and David didn't even drink.
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But there was then a report
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that cameto the attention of the police
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that David had threatenedsomeone who was pushing drugs
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in the local area.
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A recent spike in bikergangs and drug related
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violence in the Vallejoarea was quickly linked
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and thought to be the causeof this execution style murder.
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During that night,we had served a search warrant
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at the what we calledthe cottage at Lake Herman,
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which was ownedby the city of Benicia
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Earlier
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that same day, a substantialdrug bust took place.
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A pound and a half of marijuanawas confiscated,
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which by today's standardswould barely be noticed.
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But that was a large drug bustin those days.
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David Farraday was a memberof the community who stood up
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for his values as an Eagle Scoutwho was on the wrestling team,
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who would
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push back on these dark elementswithin the community.
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And it was reported to police
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at the time of the incidentthat just days
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before this took place,he had confronted
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someone from his schoolabout selling drugs in the area
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and telling them that he wasgoing to personally stop to it.
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So for the first while after themurders this is where the police
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were looking...but that would change
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I think that the FBIstatistics are still somewhere
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in the high eighties that mostvictims know their assailant.
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The next murders tookplace in Vallejo
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at a placecalled Blue Rock Springs,
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which was only about a sixor seven minute drive
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from Lake Hermon Road wherethe first murders took place.
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Again, another fairly quiet,
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fairly small and peaceful place.
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Never had too many murders.
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We solved them all,but there was just a few.
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DarleneFerrin was the next victim.
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She was a 22 year oldlocal waitress who had gone out
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for a nice drive with a friend,Mike Margo, that evening.
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They were cruising around Vallejo when a car chased
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them out of townand cornered them.
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We were chased by this guy.
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Chased by him from arestaurant.
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He was chasing us and I told herto pull into the parking lot.
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According to Mike Mageau,
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they were chased throughoutthe evening to restaurant
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and location after locationuntil they got to blue
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rock Springs, where they thoughtthey had lost him.
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And this guy pulled upbeside them.
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Darlene and Mike
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looked across at themand apparently Darlene knew
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who this guy was.
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That was chasing them.
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22 year old Darlene Ferrin and 19 year old Mike
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believe the man approachingtheir car is a policeman.
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And then suddenly the door was open and this crew cut
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Man with glasses,really pronounced stomach
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gets out,shining a light into their eyes.
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They're totally blind.
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And Mikehad reached for his wallet,
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almost as if he thoughtit was some sort of policeman.
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And he fired bulletsinto the car and the bullets
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passed through.
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Mike,who was very badly wounded.
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He had extensive surgery,but Darlene was killed.
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He survived.
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Mike Mageau miraculouslysurvived.
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This was a pretty brutal murderonce again.
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And most of the bullets
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were pumped into Darlene.
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Mike obviously took a fewpretty brutal shots, but
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it seemed like the killerwas very focused on Darlene.
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At least that was whatthe police
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and what the reports would sayat the time.
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And he asked Darlene,do you know who that is?
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And she said something like,Never mind.
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And the fact is as wellthat Darlene had been
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saying to people,including her sister,
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that there was someone whoshe was afraid of,
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someone who basically she
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apparently had witnesseddo something before.
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She said that she's seen them do something.
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She's seen them killsomeone
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She never mention the name.
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But she...Something about a Richard.
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I remember Richard.
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Named Richard
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So the initial thoughts were that someone clearly knew
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the victim
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because of
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how brutalit was, particularly to Darlene.
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For example, she was out withMike while her husband
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was apparently at homewith the kids at the time.
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You know, and Mike has said that
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he was her boyfriendat the time.
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According to her husband, Dean,
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she liked to go out and dance
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and enjoy a timewith her friends.
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And while there were rumors
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spreadthat she was off with other men,
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Dean sayshe never took this to heart
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and didn't believe it.
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So there was a lot of intriguearound this idea that it was
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someone that Darlene knewthat was chasing them.
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And the police officerangle was quite interesting.
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This was onethat was put forward
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very much by, I think, Graysmithin his book at one point.
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And that was an interestingone for a few reasons,
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not least the fact that Mike
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has admitted in his testimonythat they thought
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it was a police officerbehind them
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the way
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the car parked behind themapparently
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was quite like a police officer.
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And another part of that theory
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that would makeyou think that perhaps this guy
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has some sort of insightwith the police or is police
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is that according to Mike,in Graysmith’s book,
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the door handle onthe passenger side was removed
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and he couldn'tactually get out of the car
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until the zodiac opened the doorto shoot him.
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But in the police reports,that door handle was then back,
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which would mean someone
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who had access to the crime scen
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Graysmith wrote a book
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about the Zodiacand he mentioned in his book
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that I was at her Darleneand her husband's house
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on a house painting party priorto her death.
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And I, I don't know anythingabout that.
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I wasn't me.
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Dick Hoffman was the police officer who arrived on
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scene first before the restof the cavalry rode in.
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He collected some of her itemsand waited for the ambulance
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and was told to ridewith them to the hospital.
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You knew herbefore the attack, right?
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I've never laid eyes on her.
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You never laid eyes on her?
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No. No.
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I had heard thatshe was a waitress at
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an all night restaurant in Vallejo.
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But I didn't know the girlat all.
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Initially,there was obviously the thought
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that this was someone she knew.
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Some of those roadswould have pointed
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for obvious reasonsto her ex-husband.
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But there is
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a variety of other peoplethat could have been involved.
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Darlene definitelywas afraid of someone.
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In cases such as this,
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those closest to the victimsare normally the ones
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who are investigated first,
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especially whenthere is not only a husband
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but an ex husband involved.
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And especially in this casewhere her ex-husband
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had a criminal record to beat.
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And Dean had said thatshe and her ex-husband
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had had a lot of issuesthroughout their time together.
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And he had even stalked herat times.
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Those closest to Darlenealso talked
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about how her ex-husbandwas a strange character.
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All of thisleading police to believe
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that was the best place to look,at least at first.
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All of those thoughtsand ideas, though, quickly
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went out the windowafter one terrifying phone call.
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Then the next call I got
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was about 12:40
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Vallejo Police Department
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I want to reporta double murder.
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If you go one mile easton Columbus Parkway,
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a public park, you’ll findkids in a brown car.
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They were shot with a nine millimeter lugar.
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I alsokilled those kid last year.
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Goooood....bye.....
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the lead investigator,sent police
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to go and dust the phone boothfor fingerprints.
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But even today,this would have been difficult
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as they found dozensand dozens of fingerprints
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that still have not beenverified or identified.
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This was no easy task,
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especially in the sixties.
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Then the case's
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most famoussignature would be introduced.
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The killer sent letters between to the
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Newspapers.The San Francisco
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Chronicle, The Examinerand The Vallejo Times Herald.
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They were the beginningof a flood of written evidence.
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He would pour forthfor years to come.
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He gave himself a name....Zodiac!
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Knowing such things as describing what the woman was
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wearing. You know, enough details
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to tell the police that he wasthe man.
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Print these pages...or else
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If you do not print this cipher,
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I will cruise around all weekendkilling
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lonely people in the nightand until I end up with a dozen.
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And what did that doto this community?
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It terrified everyone.
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Three newspapers gavetheir front pages to this man.
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I mean, that's how terriblethey were.
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In this particular code,the Zodiac used what we referred
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to as a common letternumeral substitution code,
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where you might substitutethe letter
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C for E,and A for B and etc., etc.. And
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coupled with that, he used
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some symbolsthat you might describe as being
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something like semaphore flags,where he'd
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take a square and colorin half of it diagonally,
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or he used some Greek symbols.
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The published codesstumped hundreds of amateur
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cryptographers
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and several intelligenceagencies
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Police, the CIA, and
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a variety of law enforcementand governmental
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officestried to break the cipher
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that was givenwith these letters, but
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it was solvedby an unlikely couple.
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Husband and wife who wereteachers in San Francisco.
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And finally,Donald Harden and his wife,
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simply sat down and throughsheer stick-to-itiveness
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worked around the clock.
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And they were the only ones,the CIA, Naval intelligence,
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None of these people were ableto crack the three cipher codes.
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And this was certainlyfor his wife,
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the very first attempt at any
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sort of cryptographyfor Don Harden.
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I think he'd done the crosswordpuzzles.
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He had some various bookson ciphers.
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But what they had begun to do
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is they lookedfor a double combination
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of symbols, the most commonbeing a double “L”.
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And Mrs. Harden thought thathe would use the word kill.
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And soonce they figured that word,
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killing or kill was somewhere,
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and those were double L's
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that they were seeingthroughout these ciphers
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that eventually gave themthe key to to break it.
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I like killing peoplebecause it is so much fun.
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It is more fun than killingwild game in the forest
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because man is the mostdangerous animal of all.
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There's an interesting piece in the cipher, which is
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about humans being the most dangerous animal of all,
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which is a quotefrom “The Dangerous Game”.
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And this definitely stood outto police officers
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and got them a little bitworried
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because at the end of the day,that is a movie about a man
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who hunts humansbasically for sport.
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So a little bitworrying that even
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with these letters, the policeessentially had nothing.
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The status of the case isjust as bad as it was.
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We're getting many, many letters
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and telephone callsand everything.
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There's no no specific personthat we suspect at this time.
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And it was aboutto get much, much worse.
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Napa was kind of a secluded
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community were borderedon both sides by major
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highways.
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Highway 80 to our east andhighway one on one to our west.
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And so we don't get a lot of thetraffic coming through Napa.
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Some of the other cities do.
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So we have a relatively lowcrime rate.
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We sometimes go several yearswithout a homicide.
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Napa in those dayswould have been very quiet
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in terms of crime.
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However, that year
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there had been fiveor six homicides, which was
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quite unusual for the sixtiesin Napa
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Lake Berryessa
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at that time of yearwas also extremely quiet.
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So this was an unusual day,
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September
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27th, 1969,for his new role of executioner.
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Zodiac choosesa peaceful setting
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in the heart of California'swine country.
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Celia Sheppard and Bryan Hartnell,
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both in their early twenties,
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were sittingon this knoll of land
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overlooking part of Lake Barry.
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They thought they were
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alone, but there was a third manon this knoll.
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A man who wore a medieval styleexecutioner's hood,
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carried a knife and gunand intended to use them.
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They were approximatelya quarter of a mile
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from the road downnear the water front,
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and they were laying downon a blanket.
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The talking,they were schoolmates.
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And the subject approached them.
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They saw
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a subject come up by them.
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I happened tohear some rustling in behind us
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and I asked her to look asshe was facing that direction.
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I was facing towardthe water and
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I asked her to note, you know,what was going on.
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And she said,there's a man walking around.
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And she became concernedabout it.
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And I said, Well, actually,don't worry about it.
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It's something there's a lotof people, picnickers, etc..
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And just, you know,if you kept coming, let me know.
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And she kind of kept watching.
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I noticed she wasn'tfollowing my conversation.
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She told me
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he was stepping behind a treeand the tree was about
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30 feet behind us.
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And when he came out,she said, he's got a mask on.
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And that was my first inkling
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that there was anythingactually wrong going on.
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They didn't thinktoo much about it.
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And the next thing I knew, thesubject was upon him with a gun
525
00:25:22,646 --> 00:25:27,609
and demanded the keysto the car and money.
526
00:25:27,776 --> 00:25:29,319
And I actuallylaughed at the moment
527
00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:33,365
because I told him, I said, I'veonly got $0.75 in my pocket.
528
00:25:33,365 --> 00:25:35,450
And I said, You'rewelcome to have it.
529
00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:36,701
I considered him a robber.
530
00:25:36,701 --> 00:25:39,120
I had absolutely no thought
531
00:25:39,204 --> 00:25:41,248
that he was anything but that.
532
00:25:41,248 --> 00:25:42,958
And when we wereat this robbery stage,
533
00:25:42,958 --> 00:25:44,876
I didn't considerany real threat to my life
534
00:25:44,876 --> 00:25:46,378
or to or to the girlor anything.
535
00:25:46,378 --> 00:25:49,548
I didn't consider this,but I really wanted to help him.
536
00:25:50,298 --> 00:25:54,636
He pulled some cuts of athree foot length of clothesline
537
00:25:54,719 --> 00:25:56,096
It's actually plastic.
538
00:25:56,096 --> 00:25:59,391
It's the kindthat this hollow in the center.
539
00:25:59,474 --> 00:26:01,559
The young man
540
00:26:01,559 --> 00:26:03,645
stated that,you're going to have my money.
541
00:26:03,645 --> 00:26:07,649
I've only got a few cents,75 or $0.80.
542
00:26:07,732 --> 00:26:09,818
And with this he says, Well,I'm going to tie you up.
543
00:26:09,818 --> 00:26:13,780
And he had the young lady tie
544
00:26:13,863 --> 00:26:17,325
her friend up,and then he tied the girl up.
545
00:26:17,450 --> 00:26:19,160
He said, Well, what I need right now is to get you
546
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,998
tied up. And so he had the girl tie me. Of course she was real
547
00:26:22,998 --> 00:26:25,500
nervous and tied me rather loosely.
548
00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:28,211
And he cameand he tightened the knot up,
549
00:26:28,211 --> 00:26:30,297
and then he tied her up.
550
00:26:30,297 --> 00:26:33,049
And we continued the dialogalong
551
00:26:33,049 --> 00:26:34,718
most of this time,
552
00:26:34,718 --> 00:26:37,220
and the kid saidthe money is in my pocket.
553
00:26:37,304 --> 00:26:38,179
He said, I don't want the money.
554
00:26:38,179 --> 00:26:40,515
All I want to do is just kill you.
555
00:26:40,515 --> 00:26:41,933
The boy asked him, said,You really mean that?
556
00:26:41,933 --> 00:26:42,600
And he said, yes.
557
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,060
I mean it
558
00:26:44,060 --> 00:26:46,229
he said, wellif you're going to, then kill me
559
00:26:46,229 --> 00:26:49,232
first because I can't standto see the girl be stabbed.
560
00:26:49,232 --> 00:26:50,442
He said, Well, I'll do that.
561
00:26:50,442 --> 00:26:54,237
So he startedstabbing the kid in the back
562
00:26:54,321 --> 00:26:56,072
and laid him face down.
563
00:26:56,072 --> 00:27:00,201
And with this,he proceeded to knife
564
00:27:00,285 --> 00:27:02,329
both of them numerous times.
565
00:27:02,329 --> 00:27:05,498
Still on his knees,the man gave a ghastly,
566
00:27:05,707 --> 00:27:09,627
frenzied sound and letting outa long, low exhalation
567
00:27:09,836 --> 00:27:13,506
began stabbingthe girl in the back ten times.
568
00:27:13,673 --> 00:27:15,175
The knife fell.
569
00:27:15,175 --> 00:27:19,137
Instinctively,Cecilia rolled over on her back
570
00:27:19,220 --> 00:27:21,890
and the dark hunter continued,thrusting.
571
00:27:21,890 --> 00:27:26,728
Once he plunged the knifefull length into her chest.
572
00:27:26,811 --> 00:27:30,065
sated at last,the stocky man stood up
573
00:27:30,148 --> 00:27:32,650
and tossed the moneyand keys onto the blanket next
574
00:27:32,650 --> 00:27:34,319
to his victims.
575
00:27:34,402 --> 00:27:37,405
He walked slowly across the openpeninsula
576
00:27:37,489 --> 00:27:39,824
and was soon lostin the empty twilight.
577
00:27:41,326 --> 00:27:43,078
Bryan will probably be able
578
00:27:43,078 --> 00:27:46,539
to leave Queen of the ValleyHospital fairly soon,
579
00:27:46,623 --> 00:27:49,292
but where he's going from hereis being kept secret.
580
00:27:49,292 --> 00:27:51,711
In the eventthat the man who attacked him
581
00:27:51,711 --> 00:27:53,421
and killedCecilia Shepard on Lake
582
00:27:53,421 --> 00:27:56,299
Barryessa a week agoSaturday tries again.
583
00:27:57,384 --> 00:28:00,345
Bryan made it for two reasonssome people might regard
584
00:28:00,345 --> 00:28:03,640
as intangibles, but reasonsthat for him were enough,
585
00:28:04,349 --> 00:28:08,395
a strong faith andan equally strong will to live.
586
00:28:08,478 --> 00:28:11,272
I got, I was able to untie one of her hands
587
00:28:11,272 --> 00:28:13,608
that she was too weakto untie me at that time.
588
00:28:13,608 --> 00:28:17,153
Finally, one fisherman who'sgoing real slow, he stopped.
589
00:28:17,153 --> 00:28:18,154
He shut off his motor
590
00:28:18,154 --> 00:28:21,157
and we cajoled and calledand we did everything to try
591
00:28:21,157 --> 00:28:22,409
to get him to come.
592
00:28:22,409 --> 00:28:25,453
He sat therefor about 15 minutes and he
593
00:28:25,620 --> 00:28:28,957
he did finally come closer, buthe wouldn't come to the shore.
594
00:28:28,957 --> 00:28:31,793
I guess he was afraid thatthe man might still be around.
595
00:28:31,793 --> 00:28:33,503
He said he'd go get help.
596
00:28:33,503 --> 00:28:36,923
So I got...encouraged herenough to get me untied, and
597
00:28:37,006 --> 00:28:40,510
I got one wrist loose so thatI could get the rest untied.
598
00:28:40,593 --> 00:28:41,511
How were you finally?
599
00:28:41,511 --> 00:28:43,138
How were you finally found?
600
00:28:43,138 --> 00:28:44,764
Well, she was found outon the blanket.
601
00:28:44,764 --> 00:28:48,726
Still...I made it upabout 300 yards up
602
00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:49,686
almost to the road.
603
00:28:49,686 --> 00:28:52,313
And that it was a slow processbecause I kept black.
604
00:28:52,313 --> 00:28:54,566
I couldn't see, you know,I kept blacking out and my legs
605
00:28:54,566 --> 00:28:56,609
kept getting weak,but I was getting progress.
606
00:28:56,609 --> 00:28:58,611
I think I could have made it tothe road,
607
00:28:58,611 --> 00:28:59,779
but a pickup
608
00:28:59,779 --> 00:29:00,655
truck, was coming along
609
00:29:00,655 --> 00:29:02,365
with these dirt roads,and apparently
610
00:29:02,365 --> 00:29:04,409
this man had called for help.
611
00:29:04,409 --> 00:29:07,162
Such a change in crime.
612
00:29:07,162 --> 00:29:10,039
He was clearly evolving
613
00:29:10,123 --> 00:29:11,249
and getting,
614
00:29:11,249 --> 00:29:14,043
let's be honest, much worse.
615
00:29:14,043 --> 00:29:15,837
I've had 11 years
616
00:29:15,837 --> 00:29:18,298
patrol on this lakeand I've seen a lot of people
617
00:29:18,298 --> 00:29:19,674
cut up by boataccidents and this.
618
00:29:19,674 --> 00:29:22,260
But this is one of the worstthings I ever witnessed.
619
00:29:22,260 --> 00:29:24,596
So for no reason at all,
620
00:29:24,596 --> 00:29:27,599
a hooded man came outwith a pistol drawn on them,
621
00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:30,393
tied him up, and then told mehe had to kill them. So.
622
00:29:31,227 --> 00:29:33,438
So there have been thistheory that park ranger
623
00:29:33,438 --> 00:29:34,355
Dennis Land
624
00:29:34,898 --> 00:29:37,609
was somehow involved in this,
625
00:29:38,026 --> 00:29:41,029
and his activitiesand his actions during and after
626
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:44,324
the crime are definitely causefor suspicion.
627
00:29:46,034 --> 00:29:49,913
There has been one manwho is a source of controversy
628
00:29:49,913 --> 00:29:54,000
around this particular incident,a man who fit the description
629
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,838
of the killer who was nearbyand who tampered with evidence.
630
00:29:58,922 --> 00:30:02,550
And this was park rangerDennis Land.
631
00:30:02,634 --> 00:30:06,137
In fact, when Dennis Landarrived on scene,
632
00:30:06,221 --> 00:30:08,932
Brian Hartnelleven said he thought
633
00:30:08,932 --> 00:30:12,810
it was the killer returningto the scene of the crime.
634
00:30:12,894 --> 00:30:15,563
And while waiting for detectives
635
00:30:15,563 --> 00:30:19,108
from the sheriff's departmentto arrive, Deputy Land
636
00:30:19,192 --> 00:30:21,861
talked to the witnessesthat were there
637
00:30:21,861 --> 00:30:24,447
and obtained statementsfrom them.
638
00:30:24,447 --> 00:30:27,450
I began a search for evidence.
639
00:30:27,534 --> 00:30:28,826
Dennis Land
640
00:30:28,826 --> 00:30:31,829
has been the cause of suspicion
641
00:30:31,829 --> 00:30:36,793
ever since that dayby a variety of people.
642
00:30:36,876 --> 00:30:38,878
And the reason for this
643
00:30:38,878 --> 00:30:42,173
is that he packed upthe entire crime scene
644
00:30:42,257 --> 00:30:45,552
and brought it back to the parkranger station.
645
00:30:45,635 --> 00:30:48,388
This is not somethingan investigator
646
00:30:48,388 --> 00:30:50,098
or a police officer would do.
647
00:30:50,098 --> 00:30:52,433
And in fact,it is something that normally
648
00:30:52,433 --> 00:30:53,393
they would be trained
649
00:30:53,393 --> 00:30:56,646
not to do in orderto preserve the crime scene
650
00:30:56,729 --> 00:31:00,149
and allow the lead investigatorsto look at the crime scene
651
00:31:00,149 --> 00:31:05,363
as it was at the time thatthe crime itself took place.
652
00:31:05,446 --> 00:31:09,325
Now, according to theinvestigator and Dennis Land,
653
00:31:09,409 --> 00:31:13,079
it seemed like Dennis Landwas trying to do the right thing
654
00:31:13,162 --> 00:31:16,165
to preserve the crime scenefrom being blown apart
655
00:31:16,165 --> 00:31:19,836
and blown awayin such an open area.
656
00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:23,339
However, this did upsetthe police,
657
00:31:23,339 --> 00:31:27,385
who really would have preferredto see the blood,
658
00:31:27,468 --> 00:31:33,141
the hair follicles and so onin their correct location.
659
00:31:33,224 --> 00:31:35,685
Another reasonwhy Dennis Land has been a cause
660
00:31:35,685 --> 00:31:38,688
for suspicionis that he radioed himself
661
00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:42,525
going into the darkbefore the crime took place
662
00:31:42,609 --> 00:31:45,445
and put himself back into radiocontact
663
00:31:45,445 --> 00:31:49,449
only after the policehad been called.
664
00:31:49,532 --> 00:31:52,910
One crucial piece of evidencethat was found during
665
00:31:52,910 --> 00:31:56,164
this wasa very unique boot print.
666
00:31:56,247 --> 00:31:59,459
One piece of evidence thatwould become synonymous with
667
00:31:59,459 --> 00:32:04,839
this crime was the footprintleft behind at Lake Berryessa
668
00:32:04,881 --> 00:32:07,592
A very unique boot print
669
00:32:07,592 --> 00:32:11,137
that was easily identifiableby the police
670
00:32:11,220 --> 00:32:15,808
to a very unique shoeknown as a wing walker.
671
00:32:15,892 --> 00:32:20,021
This shoe was used specificallyso as not to build up static
672
00:32:20,104 --> 00:32:23,608
so that military personnelcould walk on the wings
673
00:32:23,608 --> 00:32:26,152
of aircraftin order to service them.
674
00:32:28,029 --> 00:32:29,614
Well,the pictures are in the paper.
675
00:32:29,614 --> 00:32:31,449
This last one that they put out,
676
00:32:31,449 --> 00:32:32,950
I think is probably as accurate
677
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:34,661
as any of that they have put up.
678
00:32:34,661 --> 00:32:38,998
He was of mediumto short height, a kind of
679
00:32:39,082 --> 00:32:41,626
pouchy
680
00:32:41,626 --> 00:32:44,420
real casually casual,I don't want to say sloppily,
681
00:32:44,420 --> 00:32:46,506
but casually,real casually dressed,
682
00:32:46,506 --> 00:32:48,925
of course,a little dusty from the lake.
683
00:32:48,925 --> 00:32:49,926
And he had this black hood
684
00:32:49,926 --> 00:32:54,180
on, came clear down to here,just little slits in the eyes.
685
00:32:54,263 --> 00:32:56,182
And you know, these clipon glasses,
686
00:32:56,182 --> 00:32:58,059
they wereclipped into those little.
687
00:33:00,019 --> 00:33:00,978
One piece
688
00:33:00,978 --> 00:33:04,190
of evidence that baffled police
689
00:33:04,273 --> 00:33:07,652
was whythis man would wear a mask
690
00:33:07,652 --> 00:33:11,406
if he intended to murdersomeone,
691
00:33:11,489 --> 00:33:13,282
as the police said at the time.
692
00:33:13,282 --> 00:33:16,285
Normally, if you knewyou were going to kill someone,
693
00:33:16,369 --> 00:33:18,746
you don't need to hideyour identity.
694
00:33:20,665 --> 00:33:21,999
But very quickly,
695
00:33:21,999 --> 00:33:25,294
there was some clearand evident links
696
00:33:25,378 --> 00:33:30,216
that would tie this right backto the prior zodiac killings.
697
00:33:30,299 --> 00:33:32,093
At 7:40 p.m.
698
00:33:32,093 --> 00:33:36,097
Officer Slaight at the Napa PoliDepartment received this call.
699
00:33:36,180 --> 00:33:39,517
The local police switchboard was one of the old
700
00:33:39,517 --> 00:33:42,854
style switches where you had to manually plug the
701
00:33:42,854 --> 00:33:43,771
cables in and out.
702
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:45,898
And that evening
703
00:33:45,898 --> 00:33:50,528
one of the operatorsgot a very ominous call.
704
00:33:50,611 --> 00:33:53,489
There was a male voiceon the other end of the phone
705
00:33:53,489 --> 00:33:58,536
and he said,I want to report a murder,
706
00:33:58,619 --> 00:34:01,581
A Double Murder.
707
00:34:01,581 --> 00:34:04,792
two miles north of the parkheadquarters.
708
00:34:04,876 --> 00:34:09,797
They were in a whiteVolkswagen Karmann Ghia.
709
00:34:09,881 --> 00:34:12,091
I'm the one that did it
710
00:34:14,010 --> 00:34:15,136
the call to Napa.
711
00:34:15,136 --> 00:34:17,889
Police came within an hourafter the stabbings.
712
00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:20,600
A young man's voicereported the double murder.
713
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,812
He described the couple theircar at the scene and hung up.
714
00:34:24,896 --> 00:34:28,816
And then the dispatcher
knewthat the phone was not hung up.
715
00:34:28,816 --> 00:34:30,443
It just went silent.
716
00:34:30,443 --> 00:34:33,988
And just minutes later,one of the officers said
717
00:34:33,988 --> 00:34:36,908
that he had discovereda phone off the hook at the
718
00:34:36,908 --> 00:34:39,786
at this car wash,which was only five
719
00:34:39,786 --> 00:34:42,789
or six blocks from the localpolice department.
720
00:34:42,872 --> 00:34:44,916
David's first thought
721
00:34:44,916 --> 00:34:48,127
was thatthis had been the park ranger
722
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:51,714
having issues with his radioand sending someone
723
00:34:51,714 --> 00:34:55,343
to the nearestpayphone to report the crime.
724
00:34:56,969 --> 00:34:59,680
While that call was terrifying. For me,
725
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:00,681
it does do one thing,
726
00:35:00,681 --> 00:35:01,974
and that is dissuade
727
00:35:01,974 --> 00:35:04,769
the idea that this could havebeen Dennis Land,
728
00:35:04,769 --> 00:35:07,772
because he was at thecrime scene with the detectives
729
00:35:07,939 --> 00:35:10,233
when that call was placed.
730
00:35:10,233 --> 00:35:13,194
And therefore, I don't thinkhe could have done it.
731
00:35:13,194 --> 00:35:14,320
You could get around that
732
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,074
by saying perhaps these killingsare done by two people.
733
00:35:18,157 --> 00:35:19,200
But for me, it
734
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,411
kind of dissuaded me awayfrom the idea that Dennis Land
735
00:35:22,411 --> 00:35:23,329
had any involvement.
736
00:35:23,329 --> 00:35:24,205
Personally.
737
00:35:24,747 --> 00:35:27,625
I saw the white Carmen Ghia
738
00:35:27,708 --> 00:35:31,587
and I saw tracksleading away from it.
739
00:35:32,296 --> 00:35:36,843
Police assumed that
these trackswere tracks of the Zodiac car
740
00:35:36,884 --> 00:35:42,515
leading away, and this gave thema couple of potential clues.
741
00:35:42,598 --> 00:35:44,016
First of all, there was,of course, the fact
742
00:35:44,016 --> 00:35:48,646
they were able to identify thetires, which were mismatched,
743
00:35:48,729 --> 00:35:51,524
which led the police believethat this was an older
744
00:35:51,524 --> 00:35:55,778
model car thatwasn't very well-maintained.
745
00:35:55,862 --> 00:35:58,739
But then, of course,there was the biggest clue,
746
00:35:58,739 --> 00:36:01,409
the connection in all of this,
747
00:36:01,409 --> 00:36:04,287
where they found a list of dates
748
00:36:04,287 --> 00:36:07,248
writtenon the door of the Carmen Ghia,
749
00:36:07,248 --> 00:36:10,251
which matchedto the previous crimes
750
00:36:10,251 --> 00:36:13,838
and finally led to September29th.
751
00:36:13,921 --> 00:36:16,132
6:30 p.m.
752
00:36:16,132 --> 00:36:19,594
by knife, which was this crime.
753
00:36:19,677 --> 00:36:21,637
Pretty thin point.
754
00:36:21,637 --> 00:36:23,055
You can see a little OCD,though,
755
00:36:23,055 --> 00:36:26,434
with the circlesbeing filled on the time.
756
00:36:26,517 --> 00:36:28,769
You know, if you're in a hurry,you wouldn't even know
757
00:36:28,769 --> 00:36:30,479
he was into time.
758
00:36:30,479 --> 00:36:33,149
You know, he's continuallytelling us
759
00:36:33,149 --> 00:36:36,611
how far something has went,how long it's been
760
00:36:38,529 --> 00:36:41,824
except this right hereis the only thing
761
00:36:41,908 --> 00:36:46,329
that really nails down withsome degree of authenticity.
762
00:36:46,329 --> 00:36:49,332
We think the connectionbetween the pieces.
763
00:36:49,332 --> 00:36:51,792
I agree with you.
764
00:36:51,918 --> 00:36:53,210
the killer was evolving.
765
00:36:53,210 --> 00:36:55,463
He was getting more brutal,this time
766
00:36:55,463 --> 00:36:57,590
He actually talkedto the victims.
767
00:36:57,590 --> 00:36:59,425
He was experimenting.
768
00:36:59,425 --> 00:37:01,219
He was getting far more brutal.
769
00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:05,264
This was becoming abig issue for the local area.
770
00:37:06,807 --> 00:37:09,018
Thereis, as far as I'm concerned,
771
00:37:09,018 --> 00:37:13,648
a definite patternbetween their killings and ours.
772
00:37:13,648 --> 00:37:18,694
And the message lefton the side of the victim's door
773
00:37:19,195 --> 00:37:19,737
eh...
774
00:37:20,154 --> 00:37:21,739
with the dates
775
00:37:21,739 --> 00:37:26,369
of the Solano County murdersand ours,
776
00:37:26,452 --> 00:37:29,038
along with other itemsthat are on there, have
777
00:37:29,038 --> 00:37:32,375
definitely indicated to usthat they're one and the same.
778
00:37:32,458 --> 00:37:35,044
Does it seem to you as if
779
00:37:35,753 --> 00:37:39,048
you're pretty much on the vergeof finding this man?
780
00:37:39,131 --> 00:37:41,092
Well,I wouldn't want to say that.
781
00:37:41,092 --> 00:37:44,303
Dave. We're hoping
782
00:37:44,387 --> 00:37:47,974
we've...we've got some goodthings working for us,
783
00:37:48,057 --> 00:37:51,018
but it takes timeand to be able to reach out
784
00:37:51,018 --> 00:37:54,355
and pluck this guyout of the air isn't done
785
00:37:54,438 --> 00:37:56,190
in most murder cases.
786
00:37:56,190 --> 00:37:57,775
You'll find a motive.
787
00:37:57,775 --> 00:38:00,277
But of course,this guy is just a killer,
788
00:38:00,277 --> 00:38:02,697
a mad killer,and you have no motive.
789
00:38:02,697 --> 00:38:06,450
So it makes it a little bitharder for us to track him down.
790
00:38:11,789 --> 00:38:14,000
In earlyOctober, the police interviewed
791
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,962
a man who would go on to becomethe most famous suspect
792
00:38:17,962 --> 00:38:18,587
in this case.
793
00:38:18,587 --> 00:38:22,091
And the man that I think Toschiand Graysmith
794
00:38:23,009 --> 00:38:26,637
very, very quicklyset their focus onto
795
00:38:26,846 --> 00:38:28,306
and they still arefairly certain
796
00:38:28,306 --> 00:38:30,224
that this is the guy who did it.
797
00:38:30,224 --> 00:38:31,517
There's a retired homicide
798
00:38:31,517 --> 00:38:33,561
investigatorin Vallejo, California,
799
00:38:33,561 --> 00:38:35,771
who thinks he knowswho the killer is.
800
00:38:35,771 --> 00:38:37,398
His name is Jack Mullinax.
801
00:38:37,398 --> 00:38:38,607
18 years ago,
802
00:38:38,607 --> 00:38:40,192
when he was a homicidedetective,
803
00:38:40,192 --> 00:38:42,820
he was assigned a caseinvolving the Zodiac.
804
00:38:42,820 --> 00:38:43,863
What was your feeling once
805
00:38:43,863 --> 00:38:44,739
you got
806
00:38:44,739 --> 00:38:46,032
once you got close to him,
807
00:38:46,032 --> 00:38:48,159
did you feel stronglythat he was the guy?
808
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:48,743
I did.
809
00:38:48,743 --> 00:38:49,326
I mean,
810
00:38:49,326 --> 00:38:51,495
I had...the only...of all the people
811
00:38:51,495 --> 00:38:54,498
that I was involvedin investigating Zodiac.
812
00:38:54,540 --> 00:38:57,335
He was the only one that really,
813
00:38:57,418 --> 00:38:58,919
really turned me on.
814
00:38:58,919 --> 00:38:59,670
Where is he now?
815
00:38:59,670 --> 00:39:00,880
Do you know?
816
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,174
the last I heard,he was working in
817
00:39:03,174 --> 00:39:05,509
a hardware storein Northern California.
818
00:39:05,509 --> 00:39:10,222
His name is Robert Graysmith,
and this man has spent ten years
819
00:39:10,431 --> 00:39:13,726
researching the Zodiacbefore he wrote a book on it
820
00:39:13,726 --> 00:39:15,061
to know about Zodiac.
821
00:39:15,061 --> 00:39:20,149
Before there was a Zodiac, to usthe symbol, to wear that watch
822
00:39:20,232 --> 00:39:23,903
and and to be at the crimescenes and to know the victims.
823
00:39:23,986 --> 00:39:26,489
He would have to be Zodiac.
824
00:39:26,489 --> 00:39:29,075
And there are a lot of strangetheories and things.
825
00:39:29,075 --> 00:39:31,243
But if it's one man,if it's one man only.
826
00:39:31,243 --> 00:39:33,829
He liked the children's world.
827
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:35,206
He liked kids.
828
00:39:35,206 --> 00:39:37,375
He liked to bea part of that world.
829
00:39:37,375 --> 00:39:40,711
He went a littletoo far with it, obviously.
830
00:39:40,795 --> 00:39:43,798
But he enjoyedchildren and they loved him.
831
00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:48,302
But he admitted to
using thescreams of a child as a sex toy.
832
00:39:48,385 --> 00:39:49,345
Yeah. Yes, he did.
833
00:39:49,345 --> 00:39:52,681
He....he said...he...he enjoyed listening
834
00:39:52,681 --> 00:39:55,976
to the screams of a childbeing beaten.
835
00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:58,979
as far as I can tell, Alan is the best suspect
836
00:39:58,979 --> 00:39:59,730
they come up with.
837
00:39:59,730 --> 00:40:02,733
And the heart of the
Alan'schoice of very specific boots
838
00:40:02,942 --> 00:40:06,737
would also add suspicionto his character in this case.
839
00:40:06,821 --> 00:40:08,405
And it was determined to be
840
00:40:08,405 --> 00:40:10,241
what was referred toas a wing walk or shoe
841
00:40:10,241 --> 00:40:13,077
that was used primarilywith the Navy and the Air Force
842
00:40:13,077 --> 00:40:16,956
in maintenance duties of staticfree soul and the shoe.
843
00:40:17,206 --> 00:40:19,500
Our suspect wears them.
844
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:22,503
It's not just thathe's a size ten and a half.
845
00:40:22,503 --> 00:40:24,505
The shoesthat were pressed into the dry
846
00:40:24,505 --> 00:40:27,508
sand at Lake Berryessa,a size ten and a half.
847
00:40:27,716 --> 00:40:30,052
There were variouspeople over the years
848
00:40:30,052 --> 00:40:33,806
who pointed at Arthur LeeAllen more so than just
849
00:40:33,806 --> 00:40:36,809
RobertGraysmith and Dave Toschi.
850
00:40:36,851 --> 00:40:40,312
There was, of course, Cheneywho said that Arthur Lee Allen
851
00:40:40,312 --> 00:40:45,401
had asked him to writeand help him stamp envelopes
852
00:40:45,484 --> 00:40:49,613
where he was talking aboutbeing the Zodiac killer.
853
00:40:49,697 --> 00:40:53,451
There was Spinelli who said thathe had offered services
854
00:40:53,534 --> 00:40:56,912
to do things in so faras to kill people
855
00:40:56,996 --> 00:41:00,708
or other actsof that nature for a fee.
856
00:41:02,126 --> 00:41:03,502
And the police
857
00:41:03,502 --> 00:41:07,381
were interested in himfor a variety of reasons,
858
00:41:07,381 --> 00:41:10,259
especially given his background,
859
00:41:10,259 --> 00:41:13,304
the fact that he was in the areaand the fact that he wore
860
00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:16,307
a watchwith the Zodiac name on it
861
00:41:16,807 --> 00:41:20,227
and a few detectives went so faras to say that in reality
862
00:41:20,311 --> 00:41:22,855
he should have been lookedat a lot harder
863
00:41:22,855 --> 00:41:26,192
by the investigating detectivesat the time.
864
00:41:28,152 --> 00:41:29,361
Personally,I don't think Arthur Lee
865
00:41:29,361 --> 00:41:32,448
Allen looked like this sketchesin any way.
866
00:41:32,448 --> 00:41:33,782
In fact,one of the sketches definitely
867
00:41:33,782 --> 00:41:37,578
looks more like me,I think, than Arthur Lee Allen.
868
00:41:37,661 --> 00:41:40,498
But that could be explained awayvery, very quickly.
869
00:41:40,498 --> 00:41:43,042
I look like thedescription passed out
870
00:41:43,042 --> 00:41:45,794
only when I do my thing.
871
00:41:45,794 --> 00:41:49,506
The rest of the timeI look entirely different.
872
00:41:55,137 --> 00:41:56,847
A couple of years before
873
00:41:56,847 --> 00:42:00,518
the Lake Herman, Blue Rock Sprinand Lake Berryessa
874
00:42:00,518 --> 00:42:03,646
murders, back in 1966,there was another case
875
00:42:03,646 --> 00:42:06,774
that would eventually end upbeing very much tied
876
00:42:06,774 --> 00:42:07,983
to the Zodiac case,
877
00:42:07,983 --> 00:42:10,986
and that was the casethat took place in Riverside.
878
00:42:10,986 --> 00:42:13,864
SherriJo Bates was stabbed to death,
879
00:42:13,864 --> 00:42:16,867
nearly decapitatedby her killer.
880
00:42:17,034 --> 00:42:21,622
She was an athletic girl, stronggirl who was able to fight back.
881
00:42:21,705 --> 00:42:25,084
Unfortunately, she couldn'tfight off her killer,
882
00:42:25,167 --> 00:42:26,210
but she did manage
883
00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:30,422
to knock his wristwatch off,which was found by the police.
884
00:42:30,506 --> 00:42:33,509
And it was sputteredwith white paint, which perhaps
885
00:42:33,509 --> 00:42:37,388
would allude to the jobof the killer at the time.
886
00:42:38,305 --> 00:42:40,641
This was the only at the time,
887
00:42:40,641 --> 00:42:44,436
at least unsolved murderin Riverside history.
888
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,399
And six months later,the police received a letter
889
00:42:48,482 --> 00:42:51,402
from supposedly the killer
890
00:42:51,402 --> 00:42:55,739
outlining what he had doneand taking credit for it.
891
00:42:55,823 --> 00:42:56,657
There was a few reasons
892
00:42:56,657 --> 00:43:00,786
why this letter would laterbe tied to the Zodiac, not least
893
00:43:00,869 --> 00:43:04,331
because it was signed offwith the letter Z.
894
00:43:04,415 --> 00:43:05,749
But some instances in it.
895
00:43:05,749 --> 00:43:06,959
At one point in the letter
896
00:43:06,959 --> 00:43:10,170
he said, I then finish the jobby cutting her throat.
897
00:43:10,254 --> 00:43:12,506
I am not sick, I am insane.
898
00:43:12,506 --> 00:43:14,591
But that will not stop the game.
899
00:43:14,591 --> 00:43:15,968
The fact thathe put the game in there
900
00:43:15,968 --> 00:43:16,719
obviously was later
901
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:17,928
linked to
902
00:43:17,928 --> 00:43:20,931
the fact that he talkedabout ”The Dangerous Game”
903
00:43:21,056 --> 00:43:22,349
in later letters, but the
904
00:43:22,349 --> 00:43:24,768
Z was obviously the big thingthat was brought up,
905
00:43:24,768 --> 00:43:28,022
but that connection wasn't madeuntil four years later
906
00:43:28,022 --> 00:43:29,940
by Paul Avery.
907
00:43:29,940 --> 00:43:31,775
six months later.
908
00:43:31,859 --> 00:43:36,655
Other...other thingsthat make me think that
909
00:43:36,739 --> 00:43:38,991
it's quite possibly him.
910
00:43:38,991 --> 00:43:42,077
I received a letterfrom an individual
911
00:43:42,077 --> 00:43:45,998
in Southern Californiapointing out the similarities
912
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,375
actuallywas an anonymous letter.
913
00:43:48,375 --> 00:43:49,793
And I.
914
00:43:49,793 --> 00:43:51,628
I felt thatthere might be something to it.
915
00:43:51,628 --> 00:43:54,965
So I contacted the RiversidePolice.
916
00:43:55,049 --> 00:43:57,092
They were very cooperative.
917
00:43:57,092 --> 00:43:59,887
Gave me informationon the phone and then sent me
918
00:43:59,887 --> 00:44:04,058
some information, Xeroxcopies of certain documents,
919
00:44:04,141 --> 00:44:08,687
and then they includedkind of as an aside, a letter
920
00:44:08,937 --> 00:44:09,772
that had been received
921
00:44:09,772 --> 00:44:13,984
six months after the suicidegirl had been killed.
922
00:44:14,068 --> 00:44:16,653
And said this might be of interest to you.
923
00:44:16,653 --> 00:44:19,031
It’s signed with a Z
924
00:44:19,031 --> 00:44:22,326
in 2016, accordingto, I believe, the FBI,
925
00:44:22,409 --> 00:44:25,913
someone had called into a police department
926
00:44:25,913 --> 00:44:29,458
or somewhere and basically saidthat, look, that was a prank.
927
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:30,793
I wrote that letter.
928
00:44:30,793 --> 00:44:35,339
If that is the case, it wasin really, really poor taste.
929
00:44:35,422 --> 00:44:37,007
But that would essentially
930
00:44:37,007 --> 00:44:40,928
dissuade the idea that it waslinked to the Zodiac in any way.
931
00:44:41,011 --> 00:44:45,516
And there was another casethat very much lines up with
932
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:49,353
similarities to the Zodiac case,and that was the 1962
933
00:44:49,353 --> 00:44:52,022
killing of Ray Davis,who was a cab driver.
934
00:44:52,022 --> 00:44:54,983
And letters also appearedafter that murder.
935
00:44:54,983 --> 00:44:56,068
But personally,
936
00:44:56,068 --> 00:44:59,446
I think the Ray Davis killingwas very much only linked
937
00:44:59,530 --> 00:45:03,450
to the Zodiac because ofwhat would happen next
938
00:45:03,534 --> 00:45:06,829
in San Francisco after LakeBerryessa
939
00:45:14,169 --> 00:45:16,880
this has always been knownas a city of mystery.
940
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,134
And it seems now to have a newand real one on its hands.
941
00:45:20,217 --> 00:45:21,510
Five murders,
942
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:25,389
somebody who says he committedall and will commit yet more.
943
00:45:25,431 --> 00:45:28,308
The latest,a taxi driver in San Francisco
944
00:45:28,308 --> 00:45:33,397
came here to San
Franciscoto commit a deliberate murder
945
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,150
so that he might
946
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:39,486
garner that attentionthat had remained so elusive.
947
00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:42,448
And with the murderof Paul Stine
948
00:45:42,448 --> 00:45:44,158
He gained that notoriety.
949
00:45:44,158 --> 00:45:47,411
Driver for Yellow Cab
in SanFrancisco picked up a fare
950
00:45:47,494 --> 00:45:51,498
in downtown San Francisco,and some were in route to
951
00:45:51,582 --> 00:45:53,375
the Sunset District.
952
00:45:53,375 --> 00:45:57,171
The fare asked him to stopat a certain location,
953
00:45:57,171 --> 00:46:02,301
and at that time, the Zodiackiller shot the cab driver.
954
00:46:02,384 --> 00:46:06,388
This was a very differentcrime by the Zodiac,
955
00:46:06,472 --> 00:46:11,143
a crime that wasn't againsta couple in a remote area,
956
00:46:11,226 --> 00:46:13,979
but insteadin a wealthy neighborhood
957
00:46:13,979 --> 00:46:19,109
using a weapon, which was loudand could draw attention.
958
00:46:19,193 --> 00:46:21,570
A stark departure
959
00:46:21,570 --> 00:46:24,740
The description thatcame out over the air was of an
960
00:46:24,740 --> 00:46:29,995
NMA, Negromale adult at the time.
961
00:46:30,078 --> 00:46:33,207
The only personthat could have given
962
00:46:33,207 --> 00:46:36,293
that informationwould have been the child
963
00:46:36,293 --> 00:46:40,088
who called it into police dispatch.
964
00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:42,674
What did you seewhen you came down this road?
965
00:46:42,674 --> 00:46:45,427
My headlights
966
00:46:45,511 --> 00:46:47,137
went on to an individual who
967
00:46:47,137 --> 00:46:50,349
was walking in the shadowof the trees at the time.
968
00:46:50,432 --> 00:46:53,560
The individual I saw that nightwas a white male adult,
969
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,481
approximately35-45 years of age,
970
00:46:57,564 --> 00:47:02,152
five feet, ten inchestall, 180 to 210lbs.
971
00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:05,322
Unfortunately, as I was told,
972
00:47:05,322 --> 00:47:07,199
they were lookingfor a black man.
973
00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:09,701
They had been givenwrong information on the phone.
974
00:47:09,701 --> 00:47:11,912
Since we were lookingfor a Negro male adult,
975
00:47:11,912 --> 00:47:13,497
we proceeded on Jackson
976
00:47:13,497 --> 00:47:17,376
Street towards Arguello,continuing our search
977
00:47:17,459 --> 00:47:20,128
as we arrivedat Arguello Street.
978
00:47:20,128 --> 00:47:21,672
The description of the suspect
979
00:47:21,672 --> 00:47:24,675
was changedto a white male adult,
980
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,262
believing that this suspectwas possibly the one involved
981
00:47:28,262 --> 00:47:29,721
in the shooting.
982
00:47:29,721 --> 00:47:33,267
We entered the Presidioof San Francisco and conducted
983
00:47:33,267 --> 00:47:36,520
a search on West Pacific Avenue
984
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,023
on the opposite side of a wallin the last direction.
985
00:47:40,023 --> 00:47:45,571
that we observed the suspect but did not find the suspect.
986
00:47:45,654 --> 00:47:47,573
Police were dubious, though,
987
00:47:47,573 --> 00:47:52,160
that folk had actually seenthe Zodiac killer.
988
00:47:52,244 --> 00:47:55,998
The reason being thatthis was a brightly lit area
989
00:47:56,081 --> 00:48:00,335
and the assailant would likelybe covered in blood,
990
00:48:00,335 --> 00:48:02,170
which would have beennoticeable.
991
00:48:02,170 --> 00:48:06,925
The moment the headlightsfocused on the killer,
992
00:48:07,009 --> 00:48:09,344
He claimed later in a
letterthat he had been watching
993
00:48:09,344 --> 00:48:10,470
the whole time
994
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:14,141
finding one psychopath
inthis city could be a tall order.
995
00:48:14,224 --> 00:48:16,977
This latest communication fromthe killer who calls himself
996
00:48:16,977 --> 00:48:20,897
Zodiac adds very littlesubstantially to the case,
997
00:48:20,981 --> 00:48:24,276
except thathe may be a conservationist.
998
00:48:24,359 --> 00:48:27,863
Ed Leslie, News13 San Francisco.
999
00:48:27,946 --> 00:48:30,657
It very much seems likehe only committed this murder
1000
00:48:30,657 --> 00:48:32,200
to prove a point
1001
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,495
just to get the bloody cloththat he later sent in
1002
00:48:35,579 --> 00:48:39,541
to the newspapersfrom Paul Stine’s shirt.
1003
00:48:39,625 --> 00:48:42,002
Police are now
convincedthat it was the killer
1004
00:48:42,002 --> 00:48:45,005
of a San Francisco cab driverwho sent in a swatch
1005
00:48:45,005 --> 00:48:48,759
of bloody cloth with a letterto the San Francisco Chronicle.
1006
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:53,096
And two dayslater, the Chronicle,
1007
00:48:53,138 --> 00:48:57,768
where I worked, then receiveda letter from the Zodiac.
1008
00:48:57,851 --> 00:49:00,979
The the envelope was opened.
1009
00:49:00,979 --> 00:49:03,023
It was addressed to the editor,
1010
00:49:03,023 --> 00:49:08,403
and it was like a letterto the editor and the secretary
1011
00:49:08,487 --> 00:49:13,241
who handled that correspondenceopened envelope,
1012
00:49:13,325 --> 00:49:13,825
saw this
1013
00:49:13,825 --> 00:49:16,995
bloody, bloodstained shirtand read
1014
00:49:16,995 --> 00:49:20,791
the letter then rushed it into the executives at the paper.
1015
00:49:20,874 --> 00:49:24,836
Over the next several
weeks,Zodiac sends two more swatches
1016
00:49:24,836 --> 00:49:27,255
of the bloody shirt,along with letters
1017
00:49:27,255 --> 00:49:30,092
taunting the policefor failing to catch him
1018
00:49:30,092 --> 00:49:33,470
and confirmsthat he was spotted that night.
1019
00:49:33,553 --> 00:49:36,056
All of the letters sent by the killer have been posted
1020
00:49:36,056 --> 00:49:38,058
from San Francisco, and police
1021
00:49:38,058 --> 00:49:42,020
believe the man eitherworks or lives in the city.
1022
00:49:42,104 --> 00:49:45,565
Laboratory tests on the clothtorn from the shirt of Paul
1023
00:49:45,565 --> 00:49:46,858
Stine prove
1024
00:49:46,858 --> 00:49:47,901
that it came, in fact,
1025
00:49:47,901 --> 00:49:49,403
from the cab driverwhen he was murdered
1026
00:49:49,403 --> 00:49:51,863
last Saturday night inPresidio Heights.
1027
00:49:51,863 --> 00:49:55,492
And handwriting analysisof a foreboding letter indicates
1028
00:49:55,492 --> 00:49:58,412
the writer is the same manwho's committed five murders.
1029
00:49:58,412 --> 00:50:00,247
One here, three in Vallejo,
1030
00:50:00,247 --> 00:50:02,874
and one in Napa over the lastten months.
1031
00:50:02,874 --> 00:50:06,962
His chilling allusions to futureslayings are being counted
1032
00:50:06,962 --> 00:50:08,422
with an intense drive
1033
00:50:08,422 --> 00:50:12,008
to prevent him from fulfillingany promises.
1034
00:50:12,092 --> 00:50:14,720
Dick Carlson reportingfor Newsbeat from San Francisco.
1035
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:15,637
Hall of Justice
1036
00:50:15,637 --> 00:50:17,556
There has also sincebeen suspicion
1037
00:50:17,556 --> 00:50:19,725
that the Zodiac could live
1038
00:50:19,725 --> 00:50:21,476
very closeby, given the fact that,
1039
00:50:21,476 --> 00:50:23,395
accordingto one of his later letters,
1040
00:50:23,395 --> 00:50:27,274
he was watching the entire thingunfold afterwards
1041
00:50:27,357 --> 00:50:30,026
as the police wererunning around looking for him.
1042
00:50:30,026 --> 00:50:33,029
I enjoy needling the blue pink.
1043
00:50:33,113 --> 00:50:35,073
Hey, blue pig.
1044
00:50:35,073 --> 00:50:36,283
The dogs never came
1045
00:50:36,283 --> 00:50:40,036
within two blocks of meand they were to the west.
1046
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,583
Motorcycleswent by about 150 feet away.
1047
00:50:48,587 --> 00:50:51,381
Nearly50 years after the first murder.
1048
00:50:51,381 --> 00:50:56,595
There was still a big pushto try and break the codes.
1049
00:50:56,678 --> 00:50:57,637
They couldn't crack them.
1050
00:50:57,637 --> 00:50:59,723
The CIA had tried.The FBI had tried.
1051
00:50:59,723 --> 00:51:01,641
Various code breakers had tried.
1052
00:51:01,641 --> 00:51:03,393
They were alluded by these.
1053
00:51:03,393 --> 00:51:04,853
And these were to codes ingeneral.
1054
00:51:04,853 --> 00:51:09,691
Z 13 because of 13 charactersand likewise Z 340.
1055
00:51:09,775 --> 00:51:12,360
The Z 13 in 2017
1056
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,363
was thought to have been broken.Apparently...
1057
00:51:15,405 --> 00:51:19,951
Once the Z 13 code was broken,the shorter of the two.
1058
00:51:20,035 --> 00:51:23,705
It alleged thatthe name of the person was Kane
1059
00:51:23,789 --> 00:51:28,710
K.A.N.E....the FBI, though,very much had their doubts
1060
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:32,422
about this and the accuracyof that code break.
1061
00:51:32,506 --> 00:51:34,549
And the problemwith cryptography and encryption
1062
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:35,008
and so on
1063
00:51:35,008 --> 00:51:39,054
is it's very hard to verifysomething with a small subset.
1064
00:51:39,054 --> 00:51:43,058
Realistically, it'smuch easier to verify something
1065
00:51:43,058 --> 00:51:47,270
along like the 340 codethan it is with the 13 code,
1066
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:48,522
because you don't have much
1067
00:51:48,522 --> 00:51:51,608
to compare it to to checkwhether the rest is gibberish.
1068
00:51:51,650 --> 00:51:53,693
So the FBI still weren't 100%
1069
00:51:53,693 --> 00:51:58,031
sure that the Kane findingwas actually accurate.
1070
00:51:58,114 --> 00:51:59,783
Back in the latesixties, though, while
1071
00:51:59,783 --> 00:52:00,909
the police were still trying
1072
00:52:00,909 --> 00:52:04,412
to crack these codesand hunt the killer
1073
00:52:04,496 --> 00:52:10,252
things were going frombad to monumentally worse.
1074
00:52:13,505 --> 00:52:16,591
Schoolchildren...make fine targets.
1075
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,262
I think I shall wipe outa school bus some morning.
1076
00:52:20,345 --> 00:52:24,266
Just shoot out the front tireand then pick off the kiddies
1077
00:52:24,349 --> 00:52:26,643
as they come bouncing out.
1078
00:52:26,643 --> 00:52:29,312
That was the threatof the Zodiac killer.
1079
00:52:29,312 --> 00:52:32,065
Now, every day, police carsfollow the busses,
1080
00:52:32,065 --> 00:52:33,775
which would be likely targets.
1081
00:52:33,775 --> 00:52:37,571
Officers armed with shotgunstake the threat seriously.
1082
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:41,032
Parents were obviously
1083
00:52:41,032 --> 00:52:43,952
terrified of this threat.
1084
00:52:43,952 --> 00:52:46,913
And now there wasa renewed effort to find
1085
00:52:46,913 --> 00:52:51,626
this guy as quickly as possiblebefore something horrible
1086
00:52:51,626 --> 00:52:54,504
happened to local schoolchildren
1087
00:52:54,504 --> 00:52:55,672
In San Francisco
1088
00:52:55,672 --> 00:52:58,758
We have been since the first daysince the reception
1089
00:52:58,758 --> 00:53:00,176
of this note.
1090
00:53:00,176 --> 00:53:02,929
And up to now and continuing,
1091
00:53:02,929 --> 00:53:06,683
we have a number of plainclothesofficers
1092
00:53:06,766 --> 00:53:10,437
following busses in the morningand in the evening.
1093
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:10,812
You know,
1094
00:53:10,812 --> 00:53:14,190
somebody shoots at your tire,don't stop, keep driving.
1095
00:53:14,274 --> 00:53:16,276
So there was a great panic.
1096
00:53:16,276 --> 00:53:18,862
As you can imagine,there was immense pressure
1097
00:53:18,862 --> 00:53:22,324
on the policeto ensure that nothing happened
1098
00:53:22,407 --> 00:53:24,784
and to get on top of thisas quickly as possible.
1099
00:53:24,784 --> 00:53:25,535
And I think
1100
00:53:25,535 --> 00:53:28,288
even the word immense there isprobably the understatement,
1101
00:53:28,288 --> 00:53:29,539
the century.
1102
00:53:29,539 --> 00:53:32,542
The bus patrol was
startedfirst in this county Wednesday.
1103
00:53:32,751 --> 00:53:33,418
Police units
1104
00:53:33,418 --> 00:53:36,421
from various agenciesusing marked and unmarked cars
1105
00:53:36,421 --> 00:53:39,424
follow busses on their runsto and from schools
1106
00:53:39,549 --> 00:53:42,177
assisted by aerial patrolsand some busses
1107
00:53:42,177 --> 00:53:44,429
now equipped with two waypolice radios.
1108
00:53:44,429 --> 00:53:46,556
The massive patrolsare responses
1109
00:53:46,556 --> 00:53:50,226
to the Zodiac Killer's threat tostop a bus and shoot children.
1110
00:53:50,310 --> 00:53:52,729
The patrols are concentratedin the remote sections
1111
00:53:52,729 --> 00:53:56,274
of the county, similar to areaswhere five were murdered.
1112
00:53:56,358 --> 00:53:59,361
The Napa School District isthe third largest in the state.
1113
00:53:59,361 --> 00:54:04,115
In bussing, its 70 busses travelmore than 4000 miles a day.
1114
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:07,035
These patrols have been expandedto several counties
1115
00:54:07,035 --> 00:54:09,663
and the highway Patrolhas written guidelines
1116
00:54:09,663 --> 00:54:11,498
for bus drivers.
1117
00:54:11,498 --> 00:54:14,501
We have specificallyrequested that they
1118
00:54:14,501 --> 00:54:18,463
alert their driversto not stop under any conditions
1119
00:54:18,505 --> 00:54:21,466
if a shot was firedor if their busses
1120
00:54:21,466 --> 00:54:24,135
subjected to a flat tireby the sniper.
1121
00:54:24,135 --> 00:54:26,638
Further, that they getthe children down immediately
1122
00:54:26,638 --> 00:54:29,683
and proceedwith all speed out of the area
1123
00:54:29,766 --> 00:54:33,269
and to try and attract
1124
00:54:33,353 --> 00:54:37,607
all the possible attentionby blowing their horns
1125
00:54:37,691 --> 00:54:41,069
and thereforeget out of the situation.
1126
00:54:41,152 --> 00:54:44,864
We're satisfied that it isall that can reasonably be done
1127
00:54:44,864 --> 00:54:46,116
under the circumstances
1128
00:54:46,116 --> 00:54:48,618
that might be presentat the particular time,
1129
00:54:48,618 --> 00:54:49,119
giving due
1130
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:52,998
consideration to the vastnumber of busses operating.
1131
00:54:53,081 --> 00:54:54,749
Have any of the drivers
1132
00:54:54,749 --> 00:54:57,752
expressedany concern over their job now?
1133
00:54:58,003 --> 00:55:00,839
Well,
1134
00:55:00,839 --> 00:55:03,049
there's naturallytalk, everybody,
1135
00:55:03,049 --> 00:55:07,095
I guess, tense, about it,but they all seem to be
1136
00:55:07,095 --> 00:55:10,306
in good spirits and all seemto be going on with the job.
1137
00:55:10,348 --> 00:55:13,226
I don't know of anybodythat's quit.
1138
00:55:13,226 --> 00:55:14,269
You're not afraid?
1139
00:55:14,269 --> 00:55:16,354
No.
1140
00:55:16,354 --> 00:55:19,733
Just not too afraid.
1141
00:55:19,816 --> 00:55:23,153
On top of all of this,even worse, there was then
1142
00:55:23,153 --> 00:55:28,950
a bomb threat thrown in on topof a potential sniper situation.
1143
00:55:29,034 --> 00:55:31,828
If you did not want meto have this blast,
1144
00:55:31,828 --> 00:55:33,747
you must do two things.
1145
00:55:33,747 --> 00:55:38,460
Tell everyone about the bus bomband all the details.
1146
00:55:38,543 --> 00:55:40,879
I would like to see some nicezodiac buttons
1147
00:55:40,879 --> 00:55:42,505
wandering about town.
1148
00:55:42,505 --> 00:55:45,967
On the face of which says,I hope you enjoy yourselves.
1149
00:55:46,051 --> 00:55:47,886
When I had my blast,
1150
00:55:47,886 --> 00:55:50,555
the killer sent a diagram for an explosive device
1151
00:55:50,555 --> 00:55:52,766
that was in the hillsidesaround Napa.
1152
00:55:52,766 --> 00:55:54,851
And this was working onan electric system
1153
00:55:54,851 --> 00:55:55,977
where everything elsecould pass.
1154
00:55:55,977 --> 00:55:58,229
But a school buswould set this bomb off.
1155
00:55:58,229 --> 00:56:01,649
Bomb, as he described
it to usin the past, consist of a bomb
1156
00:56:01,649 --> 00:56:04,652
planted in the streetor alongside of a roadside,
1157
00:56:04,736 --> 00:56:09,157
which would be triggeredwhen a school bus passed by.
1158
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:11,159
He is an absolutely
1159
00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:15,914
ruthless,completely merciless killer.
1160
00:56:15,997 --> 00:56:17,624
He does notget great excitement.
1161
00:56:17,624 --> 00:56:20,460
Or is he just
1162
00:56:20,460 --> 00:56:22,670
he thinks killing isis just killing.
1163
00:56:22,670 --> 00:56:24,089
So somebody like that
1164
00:56:24,089 --> 00:56:27,842
is going to bea very serious problem for us.
1165
00:56:27,926 --> 00:56:29,260
What more do you know
1166
00:56:29,260 --> 00:56:33,014
about the killer todaythan you did earlier?
1167
00:56:33,098 --> 00:56:36,392
Well, we have progressed.
1168
00:56:36,476 --> 00:56:40,814
We've been able to come upwith more physical evidence
1169
00:56:40,897 --> 00:56:45,693
that will be ableto be used in in court.
1170
00:56:45,777 --> 00:56:47,445
What we have to dois find the suspect,
1171
00:56:47,445 --> 00:56:50,448
of course,and be able to apply those.
1172
00:56:50,490 --> 00:56:52,784
And this man is a
1173
00:56:52,784 --> 00:56:57,831
psychopath and very,very seriously
1174
00:56:57,914 --> 00:57:00,166
mentally deranged.
1175
00:57:00,166 --> 00:57:02,627
He appears to have no conscienceat all,
1176
00:57:02,627 --> 00:57:07,340
no remorse after any of theacts, certainly no reason
1177
00:57:07,340 --> 00:57:12,428
or even alleged justificationfor anything that he does.
1178
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:12,971
Several of
1179
00:57:12,971 --> 00:57:16,015
the shootings have occurredwithout a single word
1180
00:57:16,015 --> 00:57:19,018
to anybody, just merelyto walk up and start shooting.
1181
00:57:19,227 --> 00:57:21,354
This man is a
1182
00:57:21,354 --> 00:57:23,815
serious problem to us.
1183
00:57:23,815 --> 00:57:28,236
He's very, very sickand very dangerous person.
1184
00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:30,446
Thankfully, though,another letter will arrive
1185
00:57:30,446 --> 00:57:31,739
and for the first time,
1186
00:57:31,739 --> 00:57:36,244
police were relievedto get a letter from the Zodiac
1187
00:57:36,327 --> 00:57:39,539
after last month's
letters and the murder of a cab driver.
1188
00:57:39,622 --> 00:57:40,707
The Zodiac threatened to
1189
00:57:40,707 --> 00:57:44,586
kill children on a school bus,so bus guards were provided
1190
00:57:44,586 --> 00:57:48,089
in many Bay Area counties,including these at Napa.
1191
00:57:48,173 --> 00:57:51,176
Police say most of thoseprecautions have been halted.
1192
00:57:51,259 --> 00:57:54,220
And now in the latest letter,the Zodiac says
1193
00:57:54,220 --> 00:57:55,263
if you cops think
1194
00:57:55,263 --> 00:57:58,266
I'm going to take on a bus,the way I stated I was.
1195
00:57:58,516 --> 00:58:01,227
You deserveto have holes in your heads.
1196
00:58:01,227 --> 00:58:03,771
Sadly, though,throughout all of this, police
1197
00:58:03,771 --> 00:58:07,859
were no closerto catching the Zodiac killer.
1198
00:58:07,942 --> 00:58:09,027
Are you confident
1199
00:58:09,027 --> 00:58:11,779
you will get himsooner or later?
1200
00:58:11,779 --> 00:58:12,864
Well, of course, that's.
1201
00:58:12,864 --> 00:58:14,991
I feel that about allthe murders we're involved in.
1202
00:58:14,991 --> 00:58:17,869
I mean, that's our businessand that's our job. And.
1203
00:58:17,869 --> 00:58:20,872
And that's the only wayto look at it and approach it,
1204
00:58:20,872 --> 00:58:23,458
is that...Of course....Eventually we'll get him.
1205
00:58:29,005 --> 00:58:31,257
I'm standingin front of the Vallejo home,
1206
00:58:31,257 --> 00:58:34,219
which investigators searchedlast Valentine's Day.
1207
00:58:34,260 --> 00:58:35,929
The home of the man police
1208
00:58:35,929 --> 00:58:39,599
have suspected offand on for the last 20 years.
1209
00:58:39,682 --> 00:58:41,392
Thousands of peoplehave been interviewed
1210
00:58:41,392 --> 00:58:44,145
and the Zodiac bounced inand out of the news.
1211
00:58:44,145 --> 00:58:46,814
And through itall, there's been one constant.
1212
00:58:46,814 --> 00:58:48,149
Arthur Allen
1213
00:58:48,149 --> 00:58:50,818
I’m not the Zodiac Killer
1214
00:58:50,902 --> 00:58:53,404
I feel thatthere are so many areas
1215
00:58:53,404 --> 00:58:56,366
that point directly at ArthurLee Allen that I feel
1216
00:58:56,366 --> 00:59:00,119
that he is a viable suspect in,in all probability, the Zodiac.
1217
00:59:00,203 --> 00:59:02,997
In 1991,there was a break in the case
1218
00:59:02,997 --> 00:59:06,000
when a tip came into one of the case.
1219
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,336
Detectives still working on thisto make things
1220
00:59:08,336 --> 00:59:10,463
even more excitingfor the police.
1221
00:59:10,463 --> 00:59:12,674
Mike Mageau,one of the survivors
1222
00:59:12,674 --> 00:59:15,718
of the Zodiac killings,was able to I.D.
1223
00:59:15,718 --> 00:59:17,303
a suspect.
1224
00:59:17,303 --> 00:59:20,306
Mike Miguel was givena set of photos
1225
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:24,936
and immediatelyidentified within 20 seconds.
1226
00:59:25,019 --> 00:59:27,480
Arthur Lee Allen.
1227
00:59:27,563 --> 00:59:28,648
That is mine.
1228
00:59:28,648 --> 00:59:31,192
But that's my third Karman Ghia
1229
00:59:31,192 --> 00:59:32,777
Your third. Okay.
1230
00:59:32,777 --> 00:59:35,530
According to the affidavit,it unsealed by a judge late
1231
00:59:35,530 --> 00:59:38,574
this afternoon, an armed robberysuspect arrested in
1232
00:59:38,574 --> 00:59:41,828
San Jose last Decembertold police there
1233
00:59:41,869 --> 00:59:45,873
that Arthur Allen, now 52 yearsold, is the infamous Zodiac.
1234
00:59:45,957 --> 00:59:47,875
That informationled Vallejo police
1235
00:59:47,875 --> 00:59:50,336
to obtain a warrantand search Allen's home
1236
00:59:50,336 --> 00:59:51,838
last Valentine's Day.
1237
00:59:51,838 --> 00:59:55,300
Police were looking for specificitems, 22 caliber pistols,
1238
00:59:55,300 --> 00:59:59,470
a black executioner style hood,yellow taxicab keys.
1239
00:59:59,554 --> 01:00:01,306
Without revealing everythingthey found.
1240
01:00:01,306 --> 01:00:04,100
I learnedthey did confiscate explosives.
1241
01:00:04,100 --> 01:00:05,935
Bombs exactly like those
1242
01:00:05,935 --> 01:00:08,938
the Zodiac serial killerdescribed during his murder
1243
01:00:08,938 --> 01:00:13,026
spree in the late 1960sand early to mid 1970s.
1244
01:00:13,067 --> 01:00:14,360
Arthur Lee Allen died
1245
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:18,489
just months after thisand was never formally arrested
1246
01:00:18,531 --> 01:00:21,993
or formallya suspect in the case.
1247
01:00:22,076 --> 01:00:23,369
Since his death, though,
1248
01:00:23,369 --> 01:00:26,331
there was continued intrigueinto him as a suspect.
1249
01:00:26,497 --> 01:00:29,083
And this meantthat as the nineties moved on
1250
01:00:29,083 --> 01:00:33,254
and into the 2000, new DNAand forensic technology
1251
01:00:33,254 --> 01:00:37,300
allowed investigatorsto, with more certainty, decide
1252
01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:40,678
whether or not Allen wasin fact, the right suspect
1253
01:00:40,678 --> 01:00:44,432
for the case, whether or nothe was the Zodiac.
1254
01:00:44,515 --> 01:00:47,602
Police and various interestedparties
1255
01:00:47,602 --> 01:00:51,189
continued to try and doDNA matches.
1256
01:00:51,272 --> 01:00:54,984
And after recovering DNAfrom the stamps on the letters
1257
01:00:54,984 --> 01:00:56,069
that were sent,
1258
01:00:56,069 --> 01:01:00,782
as well as taking DNA fromthe various pieces of evidence,
1259
01:01:00,865 --> 01:01:04,994
they could still not find a hardevidence match
1260
01:01:05,078 --> 01:01:08,456
linking this crime to ArthurLee Allen.
1261
01:01:08,664 --> 01:01:12,335
Arthur Lee Allen did
not donatethe biological material
1262
01:01:12,335 --> 01:01:14,420
that was recoveredfrom the stamp.
1263
01:01:14,420 --> 01:01:18,424
When you write,you rest the heel of your palm,
1264
01:01:18,508 --> 01:01:21,719
a very characteristic part of iton the paper
1265
01:01:21,803 --> 01:01:26,474
and people in those daysweren't really aware
1266
01:01:26,557 --> 01:01:27,892
that you could
1267
01:01:27,892 --> 01:01:30,144
leave a palm printand that it could be identified.
1268
01:01:30,144 --> 01:01:32,063
They knew about fingerprints.
1269
01:01:32,063 --> 01:01:35,525
It was compared to the onethat had been developed earlier
1270
01:01:35,608 --> 01:01:36,943
and they don't match.
1271
01:01:36,943 --> 01:01:39,946
That is not Arthur Allen'spalm print.
1272
01:01:40,113 --> 01:01:44,158
It seems then, at leastaccording to any hard evidence,
1273
01:01:44,158 --> 01:01:48,663
that Arthur Lee Allen did notcommit the Zodiac killings.
1274
01:01:48,746 --> 01:01:51,416
It seems like the only evidenceleft is circumstantial
1275
01:01:51,416 --> 01:01:54,836
and under today's burden,that just wouldn't be enough,
1276
01:01:55,044 --> 01:01:58,339
given the fact that there's noDNA evidence and DNA evidence
1277
01:01:58,423 --> 01:02:00,716
from the lettersand so on exists,
1278
01:02:00,716 --> 01:02:03,803
that would point to the factthat it just isn't
1279
01:02:03,803 --> 01:02:05,054
Arthur Lee Allen.
1280
01:02:05,054 --> 01:02:07,765
And during an interview
herelast Friday night with Channel
1281
01:02:07,765 --> 01:02:11,436
seven News, Arthur Allen claimedthat he is being persecuted
1282
01:02:11,519 --> 01:02:12,937
by Vallejo police
1283
01:02:12,937 --> 01:02:15,231
And ArthurLee Allen would go on until
1284
01:02:15,231 --> 01:02:20,653
his dying breath, adamant thathe wasn't the Zodiac killer.
1285
01:02:20,736 --> 01:02:23,614
Two types of liars in the world fishermen & policemen,
1286
01:02:23,614 --> 01:02:26,033
and not necessarilyin that order.
1287
01:02:26,033 --> 01:02:30,872
And their function is lying toyou is to trip you up.
1288
01:02:30,955 --> 01:02:35,001
They can't do it to me becauseI have nothing to trip over.
1289
01:02:35,084 --> 01:02:36,836
No, I'm certainly most
1290
01:02:36,836 --> 01:02:42,550
certainly not the Zodiac killerhaving arrested me,
1291
01:02:42,633 --> 01:02:46,721
becausethey can't prove a thing.
1292
01:02:46,804 --> 01:02:49,223
I'm not the damn Zodiac.
1293
01:02:49,223 --> 01:02:51,893
Thank God for our Constitution,
1294
01:02:51,893 --> 01:02:55,354
because that says a personis innocent until proven guilty.
1295
01:02:55,438 --> 01:02:58,816
Difficult as and it can be.
1296
01:03:01,652 --> 01:03:05,198
It can be terribly depressing.
1297
01:03:05,239 --> 01:03:07,909
And if I deserved any of it,that would be
1298
01:03:07,909 --> 01:03:10,411
something different.But I don't.
1299
01:03:10,411 --> 01:03:18,336
Michael Finney,Channel seven News tonight.
1300
01:03:18,419 --> 01:03:20,213
So the issue for mepersonally with Arthur
1301
01:03:20,213 --> 01:03:21,839
Lee Allen is not the fact
1302
01:03:21,839 --> 01:03:23,591
that I don't thinkhe's a good suspect.
1303
01:03:23,591 --> 01:03:27,220
He clearly is not a great persongiven he was charged
1304
01:03:27,220 --> 01:03:30,139
with child molestation,as far as I'm aware.
1305
01:03:30,139 --> 01:03:34,727
It's the fact that we hada living victim, a survivor
1306
01:03:34,810 --> 01:03:38,105
who was able to be usedat various points to check
1307
01:03:38,189 --> 01:03:42,360
the voice of the Zodiac killeragainst the voice he heard.
1308
01:03:42,443 --> 01:03:43,319
And at no point,
1309
01:03:43,319 --> 01:03:47,490
as far as I'm aware, did BrianHartnell ever point to Arthur
1310
01:03:47,490 --> 01:03:51,285
Lee Allen as sounding exactlylike the man who stabbed him?
1311
01:03:51,410 --> 01:03:55,039
So that for me was thethe point where
1312
01:03:55,122 --> 01:03:56,541
that for me was the indication
1313
01:03:56,541 --> 01:03:59,669
that I don't think Arthur LeeAllen did it, or at least
1314
01:03:59,669 --> 01:04:03,172
he didn't commit the LakeBerryessa stabbings.
1315
01:04:03,256 --> 01:04:04,840
But this is an even biggerproblem,
1316
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:05,716
isn't it, for the police?
1317
01:04:05,716 --> 01:04:10,179
Because if not Arthur Lee Allenafter all these years, then who
1318
01:04:14,517 --> 01:04:17,728
he was the mad man
who calledhimself the Zodiac killer?
1319
01:04:17,728 --> 01:04:20,773
And this is the surviving victimwho looked him
1320
01:04:20,773 --> 01:04:24,902
straight in the eye and saysshe knows who the killer is.
1321
01:04:24,986 --> 01:04:29,532
Kathleen Jones was a
woman thatwas down in central California.
1322
01:04:29,615 --> 01:04:32,034
It was late at nightand left in the evening.
1323
01:04:32,034 --> 01:04:35,413
And the car behind mestarting flashing its lights and
1324
01:04:35,454 --> 01:04:36,747
bright and dim
1325
01:04:36,747 --> 01:04:39,709
and the car pulled upbehind me and the guy got out
1326
01:04:39,709 --> 01:04:41,335
and said my back
1327
01:04:41,335 --> 01:04:44,338
Wheel was wobblyIt’s not
1328
01:04:44,338 --> 01:04:46,007
on good
1329
01:04:46,007 --> 01:04:49,677
The man pulled up besideher car told her that there
1330
01:04:49,677 --> 01:04:51,429
was an issue with her wheel.
1331
01:04:51,429 --> 01:04:53,306
that it was about to fall off
1332
01:04:53,306 --> 01:04:56,726
and that she and her childshould get in the car with him
1333
01:04:56,809 --> 01:04:58,436
When we would come toany kind of stop
1334
01:04:58,436 --> 01:05:01,188
sign, he would slow down.But he didn't stop.
1335
01:05:01,188 --> 01:05:03,816
So I jumped finally
1336
01:05:03,899 --> 01:05:06,027
saw a man in the field.
1337
01:05:06,027 --> 01:05:07,528
Just wait and see what happens.
1338
01:05:07,528 --> 01:05:11,198
No, he could have stopped atany time and physically
1339
01:05:11,282 --> 01:05:12,658
been stronger than I was.
1340
01:05:12,658 --> 01:05:13,534
I was like
1341
01:05:13,534 --> 01:05:16,329
seven months pregnant andI had the little kid on my lap.
1342
01:05:16,329 --> 01:05:20,875
She was seven months
pregnantwith an infant child in her arms
1343
01:05:20,875 --> 01:05:24,587
and managed to jump from the car
1344
01:05:24,670 --> 01:05:27,673
and survive
1345
01:05:27,673 --> 01:05:28,758
while it was moving.
1346
01:05:28,758 --> 01:05:31,677
Terrifying stuff.
1347
01:05:31,677 --> 01:05:34,972
But now one determined cop says he knows
1348
01:05:34,972 --> 01:05:37,975
exactly who the killer isand where he's hiding.
1349
01:05:38,225 --> 01:05:40,728
Doug Buckner has the story.
1350
01:05:40,728 --> 01:05:44,231
She did offer up a clueto the investigators, though,
1351
01:05:44,315 --> 01:05:46,859
a very, very interesting one.
1352
01:05:46,859 --> 01:05:48,986
He says it's hereyewitness account
1353
01:05:48,986 --> 01:05:52,239
that proves the suspectis, in fact, the Zodiac.
1354
01:05:52,323 --> 01:05:55,993
Detective Harvey Hindsof Echelon says his analysis
1355
01:05:55,993 --> 01:06:00,414
of these cryptic symbols revealsthe Zodiac name is Cain.
1356
01:06:00,498 --> 01:06:02,208
We also have another clue.
1357
01:06:02,208 --> 01:06:05,294
He installed another clue in thein the cryptogram.
1358
01:06:05,419 --> 01:06:07,630
It reads, Name Cain or name.
1359
01:06:07,630 --> 01:06:08,339
Cain's here.
1360
01:06:08,339 --> 01:06:11,008
And he readingfrom right to left.
1361
01:06:11,008 --> 01:06:14,470
She saw him and put her fingerdown on the picture and said
1362
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:16,013
that was him.
1363
01:06:16,013 --> 01:06:19,016
And she said, it'snot only my eye is telling me
1364
01:06:19,016 --> 01:06:21,060
it's my stomach, too.
1365
01:06:21,060 --> 01:06:24,021
Indeed, there is a man who used the name Cain,
1366
01:06:24,105 --> 01:06:27,858
who has a criminal record,who was born in 1924.
1367
01:06:27,942 --> 01:06:29,568
He's an ex mental patient
1368
01:06:29,568 --> 01:06:32,947
who fits theprofile of the Zodiac killer.
1369
01:06:33,030 --> 01:06:34,699
The man called Cain now lives
1370
01:06:34,699 --> 01:06:38,536
in rural northern California,but he hasn't been arrested.
1371
01:06:38,619 --> 01:06:42,248
Later, he would be linked
toanother crime where Donna Lass
1372
01:06:42,331 --> 01:06:44,959
an employee in a hotelwhere Cain worked in Lake
1373
01:06:44,959 --> 01:06:48,003
Tahoe, went missingand was never seen again.
1374
01:06:48,003 --> 01:06:50,214
And she was seenlast in that area
1375
01:06:50,214 --> 01:06:53,759
And a postcard supposedlyfrom Zodiac, was sent later
1376
01:06:53,759 --> 01:06:58,472
on from that area, from ForestPines.
1377
01:06:58,556 --> 01:07:00,933
The limit of my knowledgeabout the girl at Lake Tahoe,
1378
01:07:00,933 --> 01:07:02,601
and we discussed thatat the time
1379
01:07:02,601 --> 01:07:06,230
that we were talking duringthe investigation of Benelli.
1380
01:07:06,313 --> 01:07:06,772
Appears that
1381
01:07:06,772 --> 01:07:10,860
She was a nurse, that she gotoff duty at a casino up there.
1382
01:07:10,943 --> 01:07:14,613
And ostensibly, that'sthe last time anybody saw her.
1383
01:07:14,697 --> 01:07:18,409
And the similarity between thatand Judith Acaree that Ms.
1384
01:07:18,409 --> 01:07:20,619
Acaree was a nurse and
1385
01:07:20,661 --> 01:07:22,246
within reason, she got off duty.
1386
01:07:22,246 --> 01:07:25,040
She was followed by a fellowemployee to a certain,
1387
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,626
you know, location.And she was never seen again.
1388
01:07:27,626 --> 01:07:29,336
I understandthere was also a similarity
1389
01:07:29,336 --> 01:07:31,797
in the waythe parked cars were found.
1390
01:07:31,797 --> 01:07:36,135
The car and again, the girl
inLake Tahoe was apparently found.
1391
01:07:36,135 --> 01:07:37,678
And I just learned that today.
1392
01:07:37,678 --> 01:07:39,263
It was apparently foundin her parking
1393
01:07:39,263 --> 01:07:41,474
stall in front of her apartmentor her cabin
1394
01:07:41,474 --> 01:07:44,226
or wherevershe her place of residence was.
1395
01:07:44,226 --> 01:07:47,772
And Ms. Acaree’s automobilewas found
1396
01:07:47,855 --> 01:07:51,275
in its parking spotin front of her apartment.
1397
01:07:51,358 --> 01:07:53,736
And there is a linkbetween the Riverside case
1398
01:07:53,736 --> 01:07:55,237
and the Kathleen Johns case.
1399
01:07:55,237 --> 01:07:57,531
And that is the factthat in the Riverside case,
1400
01:07:57,531 --> 01:08:01,285
the killer did actually disableher Volkswagen Beetle
1401
01:08:01,285 --> 01:08:03,412
by removing the distributor coil
1402
01:08:03,412 --> 01:08:05,664
and the condenserso that the car wouldn't start.
1403
01:08:05,664 --> 01:08:06,123
And then,
1404
01:08:06,123 --> 01:08:09,210
according to a later letter,if it is to be believed
1405
01:08:09,210 --> 01:08:10,836
and accordingto police in general,
1406
01:08:10,836 --> 01:08:14,924
it seems likely that the killeroffered her help to get to
1407
01:08:14,924 --> 01:08:15,800
wherever she was going.
1408
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:17,343
And that'show we got her in the car.
1409
01:08:17,343 --> 01:08:19,678
And this was similarto the Kathleen Jones case
1410
01:08:19,678 --> 01:08:21,972
where he decidedto help with the wheel
1411
01:08:21,972 --> 01:08:23,933
but then went and loosenedthe wheel.
1412
01:08:23,933 --> 01:08:26,936
There was never enoughevidence, though, to either tie
1413
01:08:27,186 --> 01:08:30,272
to Zodiac or on Cain in general.
1414
01:08:30,523 --> 01:08:34,735
And Cain was never treatedas a official police suspect of
1415
01:08:34,735 --> 01:08:36,946
the case In either situation.
1416
01:08:43,327 --> 01:08:44,787
One of the most bizarre
1417
01:08:44,787 --> 01:08:47,790
parts of this case, though,is definitely that call in show
1418
01:08:47,957 --> 01:08:52,878
Zodiac, a symbol that
now standsfor terror in San Francisco.
1419
01:08:52,962 --> 01:08:54,839
Today,there was a possibly significant
1420
01:08:54,839 --> 01:08:56,757
developmentin the terrifying case
1421
01:08:56,757 --> 01:08:59,093
of the man who calls himselfZodiac.
1422
01:08:59,093 --> 01:09:02,847
Inspector, attorneyMelvin Belli’s office said it
1423
01:09:02,847 --> 01:09:06,433
has been contacted by a personclaiming to be the Zodiac.
1424
01:09:06,475 --> 01:09:08,310
Have you been able to verify
1425
01:09:08,310 --> 01:09:11,564
that the letter received byhis office is authentic?
1426
01:09:11,564 --> 01:09:12,064
Yes.
1427
01:09:12,231 --> 01:09:15,067
We have, this has been doneby our crime lab.
1428
01:09:15,067 --> 01:09:18,112
Basically,it was a letter written to Mr.
1429
01:09:18,112 --> 01:09:19,989
Belli, which was a personal typeletter.
1430
01:09:19,989 --> 01:09:21,532
And again,
1431
01:09:21,532 --> 01:09:23,158
at this pointof the investigation,
1432
01:09:23,158 --> 01:09:27,037
I would not want to commenton the particular details
1433
01:09:27,037 --> 01:09:28,539
of the contents of this letter.
1434
01:09:28,539 --> 01:09:31,292
This bizarre situationbegan at 2:00 this morning
1435
01:09:31,292 --> 01:09:34,295
when the so-called Zodiactelephoned police headquarters.
1436
01:09:34,336 --> 01:09:36,088
He said he was sick,he needed help
1437
01:09:36,088 --> 01:09:39,675
and he wanted totalk to Belli on television.
1438
01:09:39,758 --> 01:09:40,885
All of a scheduled guests
1439
01:09:40,885 --> 01:09:44,346
were canceled from the showon the ABC station KGO.
1440
01:09:44,430 --> 01:09:47,266
Belli waited for Zodiacto call on the private line.
1441
01:09:47,266 --> 01:09:48,976
The phone was not tapped.
1442
01:09:48,976 --> 01:09:51,145
The killer telephone 12 times.
1443
01:09:51,145 --> 01:09:51,854
He spoke very
1444
01:09:51,854 --> 01:09:55,024
little with attorney Belli,trying to draw him out of that.
1445
01:09:55,107 --> 01:09:58,819
Just tell us what’s goingon inside you right now.
1446
01:09:58,903 --> 01:10:01,030
I have a headache.
1447
01:10:01,030 --> 01:10:02,615
There Was one momentwhen he talked about
1448
01:10:02,615 --> 01:10:04,867
killing kidsthat I still remember with.
1449
01:10:04,867 --> 01:10:05,618
a shiver.
1450
01:10:05,618 --> 01:10:07,870
I wanna kill those kid
1451
01:10:08,078 --> 01:10:13,042
He calls back 11 time
1452
01:10:13,125 --> 01:10:15,252
how long
1453
01:10:15,252 --> 01:10:18,255
have you had those headaches...Sam?
1454
01:10:18,464 --> 01:10:20,549
Been a long time?
1455
01:10:20,549 --> 01:10:23,427
Since I killed a kid.
1456
01:10:23,427 --> 01:10:26,013
Just tell us what's goinginside you right now.
1457
01:10:26,013 --> 01:10:29,433
I have a headaches.
1458
01:10:29,516 --> 01:10:30,476
Right
1459
01:10:30,476 --> 01:10:33,687
Were you in service thatyou might have had an injury?
1460
01:10:33,687 --> 01:10:35,064
In Service? Did you ever fall
1461
01:10:35,064 --> 01:10:39,360
out of a tree ordownstairs or become unconscious
1462
01:10:39,443 --> 01:10:40,319
I don't know.
1463
01:10:40,319 --> 01:10:42,863
You don't remember,
1464
01:10:42,863 --> 01:10:44,239
So no one knows yet.
1465
01:10:44,239 --> 01:10:47,242
If they had the Zodiac killeron the phone,
1466
01:10:47,326 --> 01:10:49,995
they'll have witnesses listento a tape of the broadcast
1467
01:10:49,995 --> 01:10:51,538
to determine that.
1468
01:10:51,538 --> 01:10:52,414
But it seems
1469
01:10:52,414 --> 01:10:55,459
a solution to the fiveZodiac murders is just
1470
01:10:55,459 --> 01:10:58,462
as far away as it was before.
1471
01:10:58,587 --> 01:11:01,840
Spencer Michaels, Casey RA News,San Francisco.
1472
01:11:01,924 --> 01:11:05,678
The Supposed Zodiac
afterwardseven offered to meet up,
1473
01:11:05,719 --> 01:11:07,513
but never showed.
1474
01:11:07,513 --> 01:11:10,432
Belli, I finally arranged to meet Zodiac in Daly
1475
01:11:10,432 --> 01:11:13,477
City, a suburb south of SanFrancisco, to talk in person.
1476
01:11:13,519 --> 01:11:14,478
The attorney waited in
1477
01:11:14,478 --> 01:11:17,481
an office building,but Zodiac never showed.
1478
01:11:17,564 --> 01:11:18,232
I asked Belli
1479
01:11:18,232 --> 01:11:21,485
if he thought the man who calledreally was the Zodiac killer.
1480
01:11:21,694 --> 01:11:24,446
I can’t. Negative,I can't say.
1481
01:11:24,446 --> 01:11:26,448
All I can say isthis man needed help.
1482
01:11:26,448 --> 01:11:29,576
This man seemed like a manwho was coming up to a storm or
1483
01:11:29,576 --> 01:11:33,372
to a climax, thisvery blood curdling thing.
1484
01:11:33,580 --> 01:11:34,707
Children kill.
1485
01:11:34,707 --> 01:11:38,585
And then sort of an agonizedcut off, enough to turn your
1486
01:11:38,585 --> 01:11:40,504
hair whiter than mine.
1487
01:11:40,587 --> 01:11:42,506
So inside the thrift
1488
01:11:42,506 --> 01:11:44,842
Saint Vincent de Paul, attorneyMelvin Belli
1489
01:11:44,842 --> 01:11:47,845
and the San Francisco policewaited for the Zodiac killer.
1490
01:11:47,970 --> 01:11:49,346
The man did not show.
1491
01:11:49,346 --> 01:11:50,931
So now all we can do is wait.
1492
01:11:50,931 --> 01:11:53,976
Perhaps that next phone callfrom the man who calls himself
1493
01:11:54,018 --> 01:11:58,022
Zodiac who has killed fivesays he's going to kill again.
1494
01:11:58,105 --> 01:12:01,317
Dick Shoemaker, ABC News,San Francisco.
1495
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:02,359
Nothing came of that.
1496
01:12:02,359 --> 01:12:06,238
We went out to the locationwhere the meet was to have been.
1497
01:12:06,322 --> 01:12:07,489
Mr. Belli was out there.
1498
01:12:07,489 --> 01:12:09,867
Mr. Dunbar was out there
1499
01:12:09,867 --> 01:12:11,660
and nobody appeared.
1500
01:12:11,660 --> 01:12:13,078
Could you tell us where that was?
1501
01:12:13,078 --> 01:12:15,706
That was in thea little out of San Francisco
1502
01:12:15,706 --> 01:12:18,709
in the outerend of the Mission District,
1503
01:12:18,751 --> 01:12:20,878
Do you think he reallthe Zodiac?
1504
01:12:20,878 --> 01:12:23,005
Not necessarily.
1505
01:12:23,005 --> 01:12:25,382
I listen to the program.My opinion my.
1506
01:12:25,382 --> 01:12:28,385
For what it's worth,my my opinion is that
1507
01:12:28,385 --> 01:12:31,805
this is no hoax or no prankster.
1508
01:12:31,889 --> 01:12:34,683
The man on that show,I sincerely believe,
1509
01:12:34,683 --> 01:12:35,517
has a problem,
1510
01:12:35,517 --> 01:12:38,479
has a mental problem,but he may or may not have been
1511
01:12:38,729 --> 01:12:40,606
the so-called Zodiac.
1512
01:12:43,275 --> 01:12:46,820
I hope you're
having lots of funin trying to catch me.
1513
01:12:46,820 --> 01:12:48,655
That's part of the chillingtaunt
1514
01:12:48,655 --> 01:12:51,658
from one of the Bay Area'smost notorious serial killers.
1515
01:12:51,700 --> 01:12:54,578
Now decoded after 51 years,
1516
01:12:54,578 --> 01:12:57,873
a major break in the case came in 2021
1517
01:12:57,956 --> 01:13:01,710
when these 340 cipherwas finally cracked.
1518
01:13:01,794 --> 01:13:04,588
This major developmentin the case comes decades
1519
01:13:04,588 --> 01:13:06,298
after that coded messagewas sent
1520
01:13:06,298 --> 01:13:09,802
to the San Francisco Chroniclein November of 1969,
1521
01:13:09,802 --> 01:13:12,471
and many hope it will helpidentify the serial killer.
1522
01:13:12,471 --> 01:13:15,849
A coded 340 character messagesent to the San Francisco
1523
01:13:15,849 --> 01:13:18,769
Chronicle from the infamousZodiac killer of the 1960s
1524
01:13:18,769 --> 01:13:21,146
cracked by a group of amateurcode breakers.
1525
01:13:21,146 --> 01:13:23,607
In a statement,the bureau said the FBI is aware
1526
01:13:23,607 --> 01:13:25,651
that a cipher attributed tothe Zodiac Killer
1527
01:13:25,651 --> 01:13:27,820
was recently solvedby private citizens.
1528
01:13:27,820 --> 01:13:31,740
We we tried several
hundredthousand incorrect
1529
01:13:31,824 --> 01:13:32,950
of solving the cipher.
1530
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:36,829
And just by chance,we happened to sort of stumble
1531
01:13:36,829 --> 01:13:39,331
upon a fragment ofof how it could be solved.
1532
01:13:39,331 --> 01:13:42,292
And using that fragment,we reverse engineered
1533
01:13:42,292 --> 01:13:43,877
the entire solution
1534
01:13:43,877 --> 01:13:47,589
and got the entire message outfrom the Zodiac.
1535
01:13:47,673 --> 01:13:52,052
Sadly, though, there was
no nameto be found in this cipher.
1536
01:13:52,136 --> 01:13:53,971
Fagen said there had been hope that the killer
1537
01:13:53,971 --> 01:13:56,807
would reveal his identityin one of his coded messages.
1538
01:13:56,807 --> 01:13:58,809
This one didn't do the trick.
1539
01:13:58,809 --> 01:14:00,602
It doesn't reveal his identity.
1540
01:14:00,602 --> 01:14:03,272
It doesn't give a lot cluesto his identity.
1541
01:14:03,272 --> 01:14:06,984
I think more what it doesis the the method
1542
01:14:06,984 --> 01:14:10,863
that he was able to useto create that that cipher
1543
01:14:10,946 --> 01:14:15,200
may help us track down who he isthat the Zodiac was encrypting
1544
01:14:15,409 --> 01:14:17,369
is replacedwith multiple symbols.
1545
01:14:17,369 --> 01:14:21,290
It did, though, confirmwhat Brian Cardinal had said
1546
01:14:21,290 --> 01:14:24,460
years and years agothat the voice who called in
1547
01:14:24,460 --> 01:14:28,005
to the Jim Dunbar show wasn'tin fact the killer.
1548
01:14:28,088 --> 01:14:33,010
And in the cipher it saidit wasn't me on the TV show.
1549
01:14:33,093 --> 01:14:35,304
At one point in time,I was asked to go down
1550
01:14:35,304 --> 01:14:38,056
and listento a tape of an interview
1551
01:14:38,056 --> 01:14:39,933
that had been on the Jim DunbarShow.
1552
01:14:39,933 --> 01:14:45,063
Hartnell was asked to
cometo the Jim Dunbar Show studio
1553
01:14:45,314 --> 01:14:49,610
and listen to the recordingsof the events of that day
1554
01:14:49,860 --> 01:14:52,613
and said thatit wasn't anywhere near
1555
01:14:52,613 --> 01:14:55,616
what he hadheard on the day of his attack
1556
01:14:55,699 --> 01:14:57,201
and that the cadence wasn't
1557
01:14:57,201 --> 01:14:59,578
even closeand that he didn't believe
1558
01:14:59,578 --> 01:15:03,707
that man on the phone was theman who had attacked them.
1559
01:15:08,003 --> 01:15:10,881
After no newletters, contact or information
1560
01:15:10,881 --> 01:15:15,010
since 1974, police finallygot another break in the case
1561
01:15:15,052 --> 01:15:19,806
with a letter sent inby the supposed Zodiac in 1978.
1562
01:15:19,890 --> 01:15:21,391
This letterfrom the Zodiac poses
1563
01:15:21,391 --> 01:15:23,060
more questions than it answers.
1564
01:15:23,060 --> 01:15:25,103
Questionslike Why is he only communicated
1565
01:15:25,103 --> 01:15:26,730
twice in the past nine years.
1566
01:15:26,730 --> 01:15:28,523
Has he killed in that time?
1567
01:15:28,523 --> 01:15:30,234
No clues in the latest letter.
1568
01:15:30,234 --> 01:15:31,318
But more importantly,
1569
01:15:31,318 --> 01:15:34,112
who is the Zodiacand where is he?
1570
01:15:34,112 --> 01:15:37,115
Every time the
Zodiacwould send us a letter.
1571
01:15:37,157 --> 01:15:39,284
We were spurred onbecause we gleaned
1572
01:15:39,284 --> 01:15:41,328
a little bit of intelligenceinformation
1573
01:15:41,328 --> 01:15:43,622
out of every letterthat he sent us.
1574
01:15:43,622 --> 01:15:46,917
And we just hopethat we can latch onto one
1575
01:15:46,917 --> 01:15:50,837
little thing that might mightlead us to the Zodiac killer.
1576
01:15:50,837 --> 01:15:54,758
We knew an awful lot about thisthis killer.
1577
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:59,054
But in1978, April 25th, I believe,
1578
01:15:59,137 --> 01:16:02,432
we got a letterthat says, I am back with you.
1579
01:16:02,516 --> 01:16:03,892
I've never been anywhere else.
1580
01:16:03,892 --> 01:16:05,394
You know, I've been with youall this time.
1581
01:16:05,394 --> 01:16:07,521
San Franciscopolice displayed a blackboard
1582
01:16:07,521 --> 01:16:09,398
with excerpts of the latestZodiac letter.
1583
01:16:09,398 --> 01:16:11,149
At a news conference last night,
1584
01:16:11,149 --> 01:16:13,235
police are convincedit is authentic.
1585
01:16:13,235 --> 01:16:16,071
Deputy San FranciscoPolice Chief Glenn D'Amico said
1586
01:16:16,071 --> 01:16:18,824
it's the 16th letterreceived from the Zodiac killer.
1587
01:16:18,824 --> 01:16:21,743
However,there was more to this 1978
1588
01:16:21,743 --> 01:16:23,912
letter than meetsthe eye
1589
01:16:23,912 --> 01:16:25,247
towards the end.
1590
01:16:25,330 --> 01:16:26,331
I don't know
1591
01:16:26,331 --> 01:16:28,375
we're getting somesome letters that
1592
01:16:28,375 --> 01:16:32,045
turned out not to be authenticZodiac letters and
1593
01:16:32,129 --> 01:16:34,423
and I believethe last time we heard from them
1594
01:16:34,423 --> 01:16:37,968
with an authenticatedletter was in April of 1974.
1595
01:16:38,051 --> 01:16:40,387
For the first timesince the Zodiac case began
1596
01:16:40,387 --> 01:16:43,640
nine years ago, InspectorToschi is out of it.
1597
01:16:43,724 --> 01:16:46,393
Toschi is under firefor writing phony fan letters
1598
01:16:46,393 --> 01:16:49,896
about himself to a newspaperfeature writer Armistead Maupin.
1599
01:16:49,980 --> 01:16:52,941
And Maupin today came up withfar more serious charges
1600
01:16:52,983 --> 01:16:54,818
that there are similaritiesbetween the letters
1601
01:16:54,818 --> 01:16:56,695
Toschi admits writing to Maupin
1602
01:16:56,695 --> 01:16:59,698
and the most recent Zodiacletter of last April.
1603
01:16:59,698 --> 01:17:00,741
And that was it.
1604
01:17:00,741 --> 01:17:06,413
Toschi was off the caseand close to losing his career
1605
01:17:06,496 --> 01:17:09,666
after being one of the mostfamous detectives
1606
01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:11,460
only a decade earlier.
1607
01:17:11,460 --> 01:17:13,712
Toschi admits
writingthe fan letters to Maupin,
1608
01:17:13,712 --> 01:17:14,963
but vigorously denies
1609
01:17:14,963 --> 01:17:16,298
having anything to dowith the letters
1610
01:17:16,298 --> 01:17:19,092
purporting to comefrom the killer known as Zodiac.
1611
01:17:19,092 --> 01:17:21,845
Toschi was low profileat the Hall of Justice today.
1612
01:17:21,845 --> 01:17:23,972
He had been officiallyreprimanded over the fan letters
1613
01:17:23,972 --> 01:17:25,974
by being transferredfrom the homicide detail
1614
01:17:25,974 --> 01:17:27,601
to the pawn shop detail,
1615
01:17:27,601 --> 01:17:30,437
and an official investigationis underway on any connection
1616
01:17:30,437 --> 01:17:32,564
he might havewith the Zodiac letters.
1617
01:17:32,564 --> 01:17:34,232
Thus far,the experts can't agree
1618
01:17:34,232 --> 01:17:36,860
on the authenticity of the lastletter from the Zodiac.
1619
01:17:36,860 --> 01:17:38,695
Right now, Toschi has admitted to nothing
1620
01:17:38,695 --> 01:17:41,406
more than beingguilty of an indiscretion.
1621
01:17:46,078 --> 01:17:48,747
As technology moved forward,
1622
01:17:48,747 --> 01:17:51,750
the casecontinued on in the background
1623
01:17:51,917 --> 01:17:56,254
and investigators struggledto find more on more evidence.
1624
01:17:56,338 --> 01:17:57,089
Thankfully, though,
1625
01:17:57,089 --> 01:18:01,301
technology also got betterand they had more DNA out there
1626
01:18:01,385 --> 01:18:04,137
to either put more pressureon certain suspects
1627
01:18:04,137 --> 01:18:07,349
or completelyclear them from their list.
1628
01:18:07,432 --> 01:18:11,061
Careful as he was,it's unlikely that 33 ago
1629
01:18:11,269 --> 01:18:14,898
Zodiac would worry aboutleaving behind a genetic trail.
1630
01:18:15,065 --> 01:18:18,777
Could this tiny strand bareZodiac's DNA fingerprint?
1631
01:18:18,860 --> 01:18:20,070
She examines it.
1632
01:18:20,070 --> 01:18:23,031
But again, no luck.
1633
01:18:23,031 --> 01:18:25,492
From all of your
investigations,what can you tell us
1634
01:18:25,492 --> 01:18:28,787
about the Zodiac?
1635
01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:30,956
Not a great deal.
1636
01:18:30,956 --> 01:18:35,252
He's not an unintelligent manby a long shot.
1637
01:18:35,335 --> 01:18:40,090
His paragraph in his phrasing,his punctuation is very good.
1638
01:18:40,132 --> 01:18:44,010
I'm sure he has deliberatelymisspelled words in the attempt
1639
01:18:44,010 --> 01:18:48,014
to lead us to believethat he's illiterate. But
1640
01:18:48,098 --> 01:18:49,099
in so doing.
1641
01:18:49,099 --> 01:18:50,600
Why he’s...
1642
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,603
led us to thepoint that we believe just the opposite.
1643
01:18:53,854 --> 01:18:58,108
And I think that after
theGolden State killer was caught
1644
01:18:58,191 --> 01:19:03,488
in 2021, investigators hadmore hope than ever
1645
01:19:03,572 --> 01:19:06,950
that they could potentiallydo the same thing with Zodiac
1646
01:19:07,033 --> 01:19:08,869
and catch himwhile he was alive.
1647
01:19:08,869 --> 01:19:10,036
That bombshell arrest,
1648
01:19:10,036 --> 01:19:12,205
that former police officerwho authorities say
1649
01:19:12,205 --> 01:19:14,875
went on a reign of terrorfor so many years.
1650
01:19:14,875 --> 01:19:17,419
The numbers, as I mentioned,are simply staggering at.
1651
01:19:17,419 --> 01:19:20,338
Least 12 murders, 45 rapes.
1652
01:19:20,338 --> 01:19:21,423
They say this is their man,
1653
01:19:21,423 --> 01:19:24,468
Joseph D'Angelo, now72, arrested outside his home.
1654
01:19:24,468 --> 01:19:25,802
They surprised him.
1655
01:19:25,802 --> 01:19:28,263
He spent years as a Californiapolice officer.
1656
01:19:28,263 --> 01:19:29,598
He'd been married.
1657
01:19:29,598 --> 01:19:32,392
Law enforcementnow identifying 72 year old
1658
01:19:32,392 --> 01:19:35,645
Joseph James D'Angeloas the Golden State killer.
1659
01:19:35,896 --> 01:19:38,648
But D'Angelo,not a suspect until days ago
1660
01:19:38,648 --> 01:19:41,067
when they got a break.They say cutting edge
1661
01:19:41,067 --> 01:19:44,029
DNA testingallowed them to make a match.
1662
01:19:44,154 --> 01:19:48,283
Now, though, in 2023,as each year passes by, becomes
1663
01:19:48,366 --> 01:19:52,996
less and less likely thatthey'll catch this man alive.
1664
01:19:57,083 --> 01:19:59,211
There may nowbe a break in this case, though.
1665
01:19:59,211 --> 01:20:00,712
A nonprofit group claims
1666
01:20:00,712 --> 01:20:03,381
that it has identifiedthe Zodiac killer.
1667
01:20:03,381 --> 01:20:06,927
A group of Independentcold case investigators claims
1668
01:20:06,927 --> 01:20:07,969
they have solved
1669
01:20:07,969 --> 01:20:11,348
the more than 50 year oldmystery of the Zodiac killer.
1670
01:20:11,556 --> 01:20:15,101
It is made up of former FBIagents, military officials
1671
01:20:15,101 --> 01:20:18,021
and forensic investigatorsfrom all across the country.
1672
01:20:18,021 --> 01:20:21,900
And they say they're confidentthey have solved this mystery.
1673
01:20:21,983 --> 01:20:25,529
The case now,though, might finally be closer
1674
01:20:25,529 --> 01:20:29,407
to being solved than it everhas before.
1675
01:20:29,449 --> 01:20:32,410
By going to the library that simple and going through
1676
01:20:32,410 --> 01:20:35,789
Bay Area phonebooksthat put him in the Bay Area
1677
01:20:35,789 --> 01:20:38,542
at the right timesand there was just no way
1678
01:20:38,542 --> 01:20:40,794
you could get around itthat it wasn't this person.
1679
01:20:40,794 --> 01:20:42,963
Everything matched up,including stuff
1680
01:20:42,963 --> 01:20:44,798
that wasn't public,that we had kind of found
1681
01:20:44,798 --> 01:20:45,507
and talked
1682
01:20:45,507 --> 01:20:47,968
the long unsolvedZodiac killer case
1683
01:20:48,134 --> 01:20:49,678
and a high profile announcement.
1684
01:20:49,678 --> 01:20:52,764
We're putting a nameto the suspect's face. It's
1685
01:20:52,764 --> 01:20:56,268
no surprise for this Sacramentoinvestigator and attorney.
1686
01:20:56,518 --> 01:20:57,394
The group says Post
1687
01:20:57,394 --> 01:20:59,396
had scars on his foreheadfrom a car crash
1688
01:20:59,396 --> 01:21:01,565
that matched scarson a sketch of the Zodiac.
1689
01:21:01,565 --> 01:21:03,233
That is irrefutable.
1690
01:21:03,233 --> 01:21:05,151
That Is a mark. That's the same.
1691
01:21:05,151 --> 01:21:08,363
It's on him all the wayto his death at 80 years old.
1692
01:21:08,405 --> 01:21:11,575
The case breakerspoint to Gary Post, an Air Force
1693
01:21:11,575 --> 01:21:14,911
veteran and house painterwho died in 2018.
1694
01:21:14,995 --> 01:21:17,664
We have six people that he told
1695
01:21:17,664 --> 01:21:21,084
towards his last yearsthat he was the Zodiac.
1696
01:21:21,167 --> 01:21:23,169
The group says evidence like a shoe
1697
01:21:23,169 --> 01:21:27,090
match, court affidavits matchingfacial features and a clue
1698
01:21:27,090 --> 01:21:31,595
that the killer hid his name inthose ciphers proves their I.D.
1699
01:21:31,678 --> 01:21:33,179
His name is Post.
1700
01:21:33,179 --> 01:21:35,682
He ended it with the stamp
1701
01:21:35,682 --> 01:21:38,685
and they couldn'tfigure out his last name.
1702
01:21:38,685 --> 01:21:41,479
He cleverly usedthe postal markings
1703
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:45,233
as Gary Francis...stamp...Poste.
1704
01:21:45,317 --> 01:21:48,028
And it's more than just this little riddle
1705
01:21:48,028 --> 01:21:50,989
or the code that was sentto the San Francisco Chronicle.
1706
01:21:51,072 --> 01:21:54,576
They have the scarsapparently on Poste
1707
01:21:54,576 --> 01:21:58,496
forehead that match thatdrawing of the Zodiac killer.
1708
01:21:58,705 --> 01:22:02,000
And they've even gone so faras to interview Poste’s neighbor
1709
01:22:02,250 --> 01:22:06,963
who says that she believedthat Poste was the Zodiac killer
1710
01:22:07,005 --> 01:22:08,798
So they've donean outstanding job.
1711
01:22:08,798 --> 01:22:10,050
And it's interesting at first.
1712
01:22:10,050 --> 01:22:11,593
Obviously,we dealt with Bob Durst
1713
01:22:11,593 --> 01:22:15,597
after yearsand now more than 50 years,
1714
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:18,391
we're getting close toidentifying the Zodiac killer.
1715
01:22:18,391 --> 01:22:21,728
Obviously, he's passed ifit is Poste.
1716
01:22:21,978 --> 01:22:25,357
He's not going to facethe same justice that Bob Durst.
1717
01:22:25,440 --> 01:22:26,399
It's a good feeling.
1718
01:22:26,399 --> 01:22:29,569
But there was a bit of,you know, sadness to it
1719
01:22:29,569 --> 01:22:31,321
that we actuallywhen he was still alive,
1720
01:22:31,321 --> 01:22:34,240
we're talking to individualsin law enforcement about,
1721
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:35,825
you know, we were confidentit was him.
1722
01:22:35,825 --> 01:22:39,454
Sacramento attorney Mark
Reicheland his longtime investigator,
1723
01:22:39,454 --> 01:22:43,541
John Kennedy, named Gary Posteas the likely Zodiac killer
1724
01:22:43,541 --> 01:22:47,253
years ago after their ownlengthy investigation.
1725
01:22:47,337 --> 01:22:49,589
This is the radar stationwhere he worked.
1726
01:22:49,589 --> 01:22:51,841
Kennedy showed
methe digital files of his own
1727
01:22:51,841 --> 01:22:55,970
Zodiac Killer investigation tiedto Gary Post compiling records
1728
01:22:56,054 --> 01:22:58,139
where he was stationedin the Air Force
1729
01:22:58,139 --> 01:23:01,142
before the Zodiac Killerspree in the fifties.
1730
01:23:01,184 --> 01:23:02,769
And in these places,
1731
01:23:02,769 --> 01:23:06,356
there were encrypted messagesbeing sent and received
1732
01:23:06,564 --> 01:23:09,567
and where Post may
havepicked up a knack for codes.
1733
01:23:09,818 --> 01:23:12,779
Kennedy also found a newsclipping of a deadly car
1734
01:23:12,779 --> 01:23:15,990
crash Poste was involved injust outside the base.
1735
01:23:16,074 --> 01:23:18,743
So Mark Reicheland John Kennedy,
1736
01:23:18,743 --> 01:23:22,038
While they believe that Poste isin fact the Zodiac killer.
1737
01:23:22,038 --> 01:23:24,749
They do acknowledgethat the evidence that they have
1738
01:23:24,749 --> 01:23:26,084
is circumstantial.
1739
01:23:26,084 --> 01:23:29,587
They look forward to the daythat science will prove
1740
01:23:29,629 --> 01:23:31,548
them right.
1741
01:23:31,631 --> 01:23:34,050
An Expert like myself who has
1742
01:23:34,050 --> 01:23:36,803
had contact with memberswithin the bureau that said that
1743
01:23:36,803 --> 01:23:40,807
since 2016, GaryFrancis Post was their suspect.
1744
01:23:40,849 --> 01:23:41,975
They will be releasing
1745
01:23:41,975 --> 01:23:46,312
this evidenceif and when the FBI confirms
1746
01:23:46,312 --> 01:23:48,022
whether or notthey are accurate,
1747
01:23:48,022 --> 01:23:51,526
using the database of evidencethat the FBI has on this case.
1748
01:23:51,609 --> 01:23:53,528
Some aren't convinced.
1749
01:23:53,528 --> 01:23:54,446
I woke up this morning.
1750
01:23:54,446 --> 01:23:55,822
I really thought it wasApril 1st.
1751
01:23:55,822 --> 01:23:59,325
Tom Voight of
ZodiacKiller.com calls the claims
1752
01:23:59,325 --> 01:24:03,455
hot garbage and saysthe theories presented are thin.
1753
01:24:03,538 --> 01:24:05,373
Who are we to say yay or nay?
1754
01:24:05,373 --> 01:24:07,584
San Francisco
Chronicle reporterKevin Fagan
1755
01:24:07,584 --> 01:24:09,794
has been coveringthe Zodiac case for years.
1756
01:24:09,794 --> 01:24:12,756
He says he's not so surePost is the right guy.
1757
01:24:12,756 --> 01:24:14,632
You know,I got an email two weeks ago
1758
01:24:14,632 --> 01:24:17,635
saying that they found HerbCaen's name in the anagram.
1759
01:24:17,635 --> 01:24:19,971
So Herb Caen must be the Zodiac.
1760
01:24:19,971 --> 01:24:21,556
Before that,it was Charlie Manson.
1761
01:24:21,556 --> 01:24:22,474
Back in December,
1762
01:24:22,474 --> 01:24:24,476
the FBI confirmedthat the Zodiac cipher
1763
01:24:24,476 --> 01:24:26,227
had been cracked by codebreakers.
1764
01:24:26,227 --> 01:24:29,314
His message said in part,I hope you're having lots of fun
1765
01:24:29,314 --> 01:24:33,151
and trying to catch me, and I'mnot afraid of the gas chamber.
1766
01:24:33,234 --> 01:24:34,360
Now, we did reach out to the San
1767
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:36,613
Francisco Police Departmentand the FBI,
1768
01:24:36,613 --> 01:24:39,199
and they both told methat this case remains open.
1769
01:24:39,199 --> 01:24:40,700
They have not confirmedthe theory
1770
01:24:40,700 --> 01:24:42,702
presented by the casebreakers today.
1771
01:24:42,702 --> 01:24:45,246
So at least for now,the mystery continues.
1772
01:24:45,246 --> 01:24:47,999
Until then, we can only ponder.
1773
01:24:47,999 --> 01:24:48,792
But I for one
1774
01:24:48,792 --> 01:24:50,335
have always been of the opinionthat this is
1775
01:24:50,335 --> 01:24:52,837
most likely a gun for hire type.
1776
01:24:52,837 --> 01:24:53,963
A man who was hired
1777
01:24:53,963 --> 01:24:58,176
to commit murderson the behalf of others and.
1778
01:24:58,176 --> 01:25:00,720
He cleverly used the lettersto make
1779
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:04,307
this look like a serial killerinstead of a gun for hire.
1780
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:07,352
The San Francisco
police saythe Zodiac case is still open,
1781
01:25:07,352 --> 01:25:09,687
but it's not activelyunder investigation.
1782
01:25:09,687 --> 01:25:10,313
In fact,
1783
01:25:10,313 --> 01:25:13,358
many of the files in the casehave been stored in Sacramento
1784
01:25:13,358 --> 01:25:15,860
and the original detectivesin the case every time.
1785
01:25:15,860 --> 01:25:18,446
And I think given thatthat's been my opinion on it
1786
01:25:18,446 --> 01:25:21,908
that, makes the idea of Postewho was a house painter
1787
01:25:21,991 --> 01:25:23,535
even more poetic.
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