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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:22,564 --> 00:00:23,815 The search goes on 2 00:00:23,815 --> 00:00:27,485 in San Francisco for the man known as the Zodiac Killer. 3 00:00:27,569 --> 00:00:31,114 The psychotic killer has already murdered five. 4 00:00:31,197 --> 00:00:34,659 He claims that he has murdered 13 individuals. 5 00:00:34,659 --> 00:00:37,954 Of course, our records reflect five. 6 00:00:38,037 --> 00:00:41,040 The Zodiac killer seems to crave publicity. 7 00:00:41,166 --> 00:00:44,586 He sent letters and cryptograms to newspapers and the police. 8 00:00:44,836 --> 00:00:46,129 Police are now convinced 9 00:00:46,129 --> 00:00:49,132 that it was the killer of a San Francisco cab driver 10 00:00:49,174 --> 00:00:51,217 who sat in a swatch of bloody cloth 11 00:00:51,217 --> 00:00:54,095 with a letter to the San Francisco Chronicle. 12 00:00:54,095 --> 00:00:58,683 This guy is a pathological psycho killer. 13 00:00:58,767 --> 00:01:01,019 You have those headaches, Sam? 14 00:01:01,019 --> 00:01:02,645 Since I killed a kid, 15 00:01:02,645 --> 00:01:04,647 School children... 16 00:01:04,647 --> 00:01:05,982 make find targets. 17 00:01:05,982 --> 00:01:08,026 I think I shall wipe out a school bus. 18 00:01:08,026 --> 00:01:09,569 some morning. 19 00:01:09,569 --> 00:01:11,488 Just shoot out the front tire 20 00:01:11,488 --> 00:01:16,785 and then pick off the kiddies as they come bouncing out. 21 00:01:16,868 --> 00:01:19,829 We have no known motive at this time. 22 00:01:19,829 --> 00:01:23,583 However, we're not overruling any possibility. 23 00:01:23,666 --> 00:01:25,251 How about leads? 24 00:01:25,251 --> 00:01:26,211 We have several leads 25 00:01:26,211 --> 00:01:30,423 that we're working on, and some of them have 26 00:01:30,507 --> 00:01:31,925 been barred. 27 00:01:31,925 --> 00:01:35,220 We have ruled them out. 28 00:01:35,303 --> 00:01:37,222 No, we're just about position. 29 00:01:37,222 --> 00:01:39,682 We're still following a tremendous amount of leads. 30 00:01:39,682 --> 00:01:41,893 We're getting a tremendous amount of information every day, 31 00:01:41,893 --> 00:01:45,605 not only from the Bay Area but from all over the nation. 32 00:01:45,688 --> 00:01:48,191 The murderers terrorized the Bay Area decades 33 00:01:48,191 --> 00:01:52,320 ago, the killer taunted police by sending letters to the media. 34 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,697 But now a team of independent investigators 35 00:01:54,697 --> 00:01:57,700 says it has identified the Zodiac killer 36 00:01:57,867 --> 00:02:01,162 I also killed those kids last year. 37 00:02:01,162 --> 00:02:02,956 Good.....Bye..... 38 00:02:03,832 --> 00:02:07,168 Can we put “documentary filmmaker” instead of “YouTuber” 39 00:02:07,168 --> 00:02:10,046 Unless one of you guys can think of something more pretentious. 40 00:02:10,547 --> 00:02:13,842 The Zodiac case was one of the earlier cases at a time 41 00:02:13,925 --> 00:02:17,971 that was rife with serial killers in the USA 42 00:02:18,054 --> 00:02:21,599 between the 1960s and early eighties, 43 00:02:21,683 --> 00:02:24,686 there was a multitude of serial killers 44 00:02:24,769 --> 00:02:27,564 by a killer who's become nown as the Night Stalker 45 00:02:27,564 --> 00:02:28,648 A killer 46 00:02:28,648 --> 00:02:31,526 The police are calling the Hillside Strangler 47 00:02:31,776 --> 00:02:35,363 the vine or intent to effect the death of Lisa Lehey. 48 00:02:35,446 --> 00:02:36,781 This is where they live. 49 00:02:36,781 --> 00:02:40,201 Among the stables, barns and phony buildings 50 00:02:40,285 --> 00:02:42,120 of an old rundown movie location. 51 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:43,913 20 miles from Los Angeles 52 00:02:43,913 --> 00:02:47,292 has had three of its followers arrested in the investigation 53 00:02:47,292 --> 00:02:50,712 of the murder of Sharon Tate and six others. 54 00:02:50,795 --> 00:02:52,922 Well, he said, you've got me. 55 00:02:52,922 --> 00:02:55,133 Police say those words ended the biggest manhunt 56 00:02:55,133 --> 00:02:58,136 in New York City history with a capture of Son of Sam. 57 00:02:58,136 --> 00:02:59,929 More bodies unearthed from the basement 58 00:02:59,929 --> 00:03:02,932 crawl space of Gacy's Norwood Park Township home today, 59 00:03:03,057 --> 00:03:06,769 bringing to 15 the number of found there since Friday. 60 00:03:06,853 --> 00:03:11,149 I'm called the banana and I'm looking really good. 61 00:03:12,567 --> 00:03:14,360 And there was obviously serial killers 62 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,572 outside of that time frame, but there was very much 63 00:03:17,572 --> 00:03:20,325 a grouping of them around that time. 64 00:03:20,325 --> 00:03:23,745 And specifically in California, it was awash 65 00:03:23,828 --> 00:03:25,914 with serial killers. 66 00:03:25,914 --> 00:03:27,415 And there was a few reasons for this. 67 00:03:27,415 --> 00:03:30,251 All of which added up to the key reason. 68 00:03:30,251 --> 00:03:32,128 And that was the fact that it was just easier 69 00:03:32,128 --> 00:03:33,087 to get away with murder. 70 00:03:33,087 --> 00:03:35,089 Big city police rejected evidence 71 00:03:35,089 --> 00:03:39,218 from small town cops like Harvey Irons and police rivalries 72 00:03:39,260 --> 00:03:41,095 hampered the Zodiac investigation 73 00:03:41,095 --> 00:03:44,098 of possibly 30 murders all over the state. 74 00:03:44,098 --> 00:03:46,976 It wasn't handled, as you would handle it today, 75 00:03:47,352 --> 00:03:47,936 eh... 76 00:03:47,936 --> 00:03:48,519 because I don't think 77 00:03:48,519 --> 00:03:51,147 there was the experience there to actually handle it that way. 78 00:03:51,147 --> 00:03:52,899 Today, of course, this would have been 79 00:03:52,899 --> 00:03:56,444 a very different investigation at the crime scene. 80 00:03:56,527 --> 00:03:58,071 Forensics would have been on site 81 00:03:58,071 --> 00:04:02,283 for at least 24 hours, taking everything from soil samples 82 00:04:02,367 --> 00:04:07,330 to deep diving into every piece of available DNA on site. 83 00:04:07,413 --> 00:04:10,375 Unfortunately, back in those days, that technology 84 00:04:10,375 --> 00:04:13,962 just wasn't available to the investigators. 85 00:04:14,045 --> 00:04:16,255 They had to make do with what they had. 86 00:04:16,255 --> 00:04:20,051 The interdepartmental politics where police would be fighting 87 00:04:20,051 --> 00:04:21,010 that a case is 88 00:04:21,010 --> 00:04:23,096 theirs or the case is someone else's, 89 00:04:23,096 --> 00:04:25,974 along with the fact that DNA evidence just didn't 90 00:04:25,974 --> 00:04:27,475 exist and forensics in general 91 00:04:27,475 --> 00:04:30,561 was nowhere near what it is today, just made it a lot 92 00:04:30,561 --> 00:04:33,731 easier for people to get away with murder back then. 93 00:04:33,773 --> 00:04:36,901 And serial killers thrived in that environment. 94 00:04:36,985 --> 00:04:39,070 And the Zodiac Killer was one of the most famous. 95 00:04:39,070 --> 00:04:41,364 And it got more and more famous as each year 96 00:04:41,364 --> 00:04:42,949 where it was unsolved went by 97 00:04:43,866 --> 00:04:46,286 between 1968 and 1987, 98 00:04:46,286 --> 00:04:47,662 someone calling himself 99 00:04:47,662 --> 00:04:48,579 the Zodiac 100 00:04:48,579 --> 00:04:49,747 claimed responsibility 101 00:04:49,747 --> 00:04:51,082 for up to 40 murders 102 00:04:51,082 --> 00:04:51,958 and he left behind 103 00:04:51,958 --> 00:04:54,502 a trail of bodies and taunting letters. 104 00:04:54,502 --> 00:04:57,797 Then suddenly the murders stopped and he went silent. 105 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,216 Something about this case that was different. 106 00:05:00,216 --> 00:05:02,385 And it became, I think, a battle, 107 00:05:02,385 --> 00:05:06,222 you know, a chess game between the killer and people 108 00:05:06,222 --> 00:05:10,310 like Captain Narlow of Napa, who were highly intelligent 109 00:05:10,310 --> 00:05:12,020 police officers who really did their best. 110 00:05:12,020 --> 00:05:13,646 And if you watched a 27 movie 111 00:05:13,646 --> 00:05:17,316 Zodiac with Mark Ruffalo, Robert Downey Jr, 112 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,611 Jake Gyllenhaal, you would be forgiven for assuming 113 00:05:20,695 --> 00:05:22,488 that this case was solved, 114 00:05:22,488 --> 00:05:25,199 but it couldn't be further from the truth. 115 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:28,453 Officially, it remains unsolved. 116 00:05:28,494 --> 00:05:31,414 Are people going to be dissatisfied with that? 117 00:05:31,414 --> 00:05:32,999 I'm going to give them the full ending of the movie, 118 00:05:32,999 --> 00:05:35,043 but dissatisfied with the ending. 119 00:05:35,043 --> 00:05:37,503 Why has he not been caught? 120 00:05:37,503 --> 00:05:39,213 Extremely intelligent. 121 00:05:39,213 --> 00:05:41,841 This man has crafted ciphers that have never been broken 122 00:05:41,841 --> 00:05:43,217 to this day. 123 00:05:43,217 --> 00:05:44,635 A certain amount of luck involved too. 124 00:05:44,635 --> 00:05:45,511 And he's highly skilled. 125 00:05:45,511 --> 00:05:49,223 He is skilled in explosives, cryptography... 126 00:05:49,307 --> 00:05:51,059 A master criminal? 127 00:05:51,059 --> 00:05:52,602 A master criminal. 128 00:05:52,602 --> 00:05:54,062 And uncaught to this day, I still get calls almost daily 129 00:05:54,062 --> 00:05:56,314 I still get calls almost daily 130 00:05:56,397 --> 00:05:59,567 from people who believe they know who the Zodiac is. 131 00:05:59,650 --> 00:06:02,612 Part of its fame as well was definitely helped 132 00:06:02,612 --> 00:06:03,738 by the fact that the lead 133 00:06:03,738 --> 00:06:07,408 detective on the case was this rock star detective. 134 00:06:07,492 --> 00:06:08,910 For the last nine years, 135 00:06:08,910 --> 00:06:11,287 the Zodiac investigation has been headed by homicide 136 00:06:11,287 --> 00:06:12,830 inspector David Toschi 137 00:06:12,830 --> 00:06:14,957 David Toschi, a San Francisco homicide detective. 138 00:06:15,124 --> 00:06:17,460 And the model for the Dirty Harry movies 139 00:06:17,460 --> 00:06:20,463 vowed to catch the Zodiac, but he never did. 140 00:06:20,546 --> 00:06:23,007 I have always felt 141 00:06:23,091 --> 00:06:24,967 a gut feeling 142 00:06:24,967 --> 00:06:28,304 that he was not dead and that he was out there somewhere and 143 00:06:28,387 --> 00:06:30,765 that he would communicate in every manner. 144 00:06:30,765 --> 00:06:31,933 and everyone man and his 145 00:06:31,933 --> 00:06:35,812 dog thought their father or their dog did it. 146 00:06:35,812 --> 00:06:36,562 Um... 147 00:06:36,646 --> 00:06:40,566 But this case remained unsolved for a very long time. 148 00:06:40,650 --> 00:06:44,153 Now, though, it seems like we are closer than ever 149 00:06:44,153 --> 00:06:48,157 to getting a final answer on who the Zodiac is. 150 00:06:48,241 --> 00:06:51,869 But to really understand how, why and who 151 00:06:51,953 --> 00:06:54,330 we need to first go back 152 00:06:54,330 --> 00:06:56,415 to where it all begins. 153 00:07:03,005 --> 00:07:04,882 The first murders in this case took place 154 00:07:04,882 --> 00:07:10,304 in a very quiet and small town in California called Benicia. 155 00:07:10,388 --> 00:07:13,766 The population was probably around 5000. 156 00:07:13,850 --> 00:07:17,520 It was a sleepy little community, middle class 157 00:07:17,603 --> 00:07:20,314 crime rate was 158 00:07:20,314 --> 00:07:21,899 very, very low. 159 00:07:21,899 --> 00:07:22,984 The first killings 160 00:07:22,984 --> 00:07:27,238 and the enduring mystery began not far from San Francisco. 161 00:07:27,321 --> 00:07:28,656 It is late one night. 162 00:07:28,656 --> 00:07:30,741 Five days before Christmas, in December of 1968, David 163 00:07:30,741 --> 00:07:33,411 in December of 1968, David 164 00:07:33,411 --> 00:07:37,081 Faraday took Betty Lou Jensen out on their first date. 165 00:07:37,165 --> 00:07:39,917 The two teenagers made the unfortunate 166 00:07:39,917 --> 00:07:45,339 choice to park up in a secluded area in Benicia, California, 167 00:07:45,381 --> 00:07:48,384 shortly after a car pulled up behind them 168 00:07:48,593 --> 00:07:51,053 with its headlights on full blast. 169 00:07:51,053 --> 00:07:56,267 A man emerged and began firing into the car. 170 00:07:56,350 --> 00:07:58,311 A shots fired report was 171 00:07:58,311 --> 00:08:02,148 called in to the police 172 00:08:02,231 --> 00:08:04,567 and shortly after dispatchers 173 00:08:04,567 --> 00:08:07,528 called out, the closest police officers 174 00:08:07,528 --> 00:08:11,365 to arrive on scene as soon as possible. 175 00:08:11,449 --> 00:08:13,242 Sergeant, could you briefly describe 176 00:08:13,242 --> 00:08:15,870 what apparently happened last night? 177 00:08:15,870 --> 00:08:18,748 Yes, we had a double homicide that took place 178 00:08:18,748 --> 00:08:24,545 out on a county road about, sometime after 11:00 last night. 179 00:08:24,629 --> 00:08:29,217 A double homicide involving victims were, 180 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:32,011 16 year old girl and a 17 year old boy. 181 00:08:32,011 --> 00:08:34,639 What were the circumstances involved? 182 00:08:34,639 --> 00:08:39,310 Possibly they were ordered out of the car by the 183 00:08:41,354 --> 00:08:44,315 the boy, was shot right at this side of the car. 184 00:08:44,315 --> 00:08:47,318 And the girl apparently tried to run 185 00:08:47,526 --> 00:08:49,570 and she was shot and found 28 feet 186 00:08:49,570 --> 00:08:50,947 further on. 187 00:08:53,074 --> 00:08:55,159 There was one bullet hole that penetrated 188 00:08:55,159 --> 00:08:56,786 one of the windows of the car. 189 00:08:56,786 --> 00:08:59,455 Was this a stray bullet or was this one of the bullets 190 00:08:59,455 --> 00:09:01,749 that hit the victim and went on through? 191 00:09:01,749 --> 00:09:05,503 This could be a stray bullet or 192 00:09:05,586 --> 00:09:08,589 a warning bullet of some sort that, 193 00:09:08,839 --> 00:09:10,549 we can't connect it with the bodies, 194 00:09:10,549 --> 00:09:13,552 but it's the same type of shell. 195 00:09:13,552 --> 00:09:14,720 He reached his gun through the window 196 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,889 and shot David as he exited, 197 00:09:16,889 --> 00:09:20,309 and Betty Lou was running toward Benicia 198 00:09:20,393 --> 00:09:23,396 when he shot her some 26 feet away. 199 00:09:23,604 --> 00:09:25,982 Five times. 200 00:09:33,781 --> 00:09:36,033 This was a particularly brutal murder. 201 00:09:36,033 --> 00:09:39,370 The killer placed the gun right up against 202 00:09:39,370 --> 00:09:42,456 David's skull for the last shot. 203 00:09:42,581 --> 00:09:45,543 And then as Betty Lou started running 204 00:09:45,543 --> 00:09:50,715 as fast as she could away from the killer, he fired 205 00:09:50,715 --> 00:09:56,137 several shots into her back in a in a very, very close pattern. 206 00:09:56,178 --> 00:09:58,347 Whoever did this was clearly a marksman. 207 00:09:58,347 --> 00:09:59,390 They knew how to use a gun, 208 00:09:59,390 --> 00:10:01,642 obviously, given the fact that there was no known 209 00:10:01,642 --> 00:10:05,187 related killings at the time. 210 00:10:05,271 --> 00:10:07,106 The police were a little bit 211 00:10:07,106 --> 00:10:11,319 dumbstruck by what the motive could be for this. 212 00:10:11,402 --> 00:10:14,322 Do you have any idea what the possible motive might 213 00:10:14,322 --> 00:10:15,656 be for this killing? 214 00:10:15,656 --> 00:10:17,366 We have no motive at this time. 215 00:10:17,366 --> 00:10:20,620 And within a few days, a picture started to form 216 00:10:20,703 --> 00:10:23,331 that this could be drugs related, which was at first 217 00:10:23,331 --> 00:10:27,626 thrown out because Betty Lou and David didn't even drink. 218 00:10:27,752 --> 00:10:30,755 But there was then a report 219 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,132 that came to the attention of the police 220 00:10:33,132 --> 00:10:36,844 that David had threatened someone who was pushing drugs 221 00:10:36,927 --> 00:10:38,262 in the local area. 222 00:10:38,262 --> 00:10:41,640 A recent spike in biker gangs and drug related 223 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,519 violence in the Vallejo area was quickly linked 224 00:10:45,603 --> 00:10:50,107 and thought to be the cause of this execution style murder. 225 00:10:50,191 --> 00:10:53,486 During that night, we had served a search warrant 226 00:10:53,569 --> 00:10:56,989 at the what we called the cottage at Lake Herman, 227 00:10:56,989 --> 00:10:59,825 which was owned by the city of Benicia 228 00:10:59,825 --> 00:11:00,910 Earlier 229 00:11:00,910 --> 00:11:04,872 that same day, a substantial drug bust took place. 230 00:11:04,955 --> 00:11:08,250 A pound and a half of marijuana was confiscated, 231 00:11:08,334 --> 00:11:11,504 which by today's standards would barely be noticed. 232 00:11:11,587 --> 00:11:14,882 But that was a large drug bust in those days. 233 00:11:14,965 --> 00:11:19,387 David Farraday was a member of the community who stood up 234 00:11:19,595 --> 00:11:23,599 for his values as an Eagle Scout who was on the wrestling team, 235 00:11:23,682 --> 00:11:24,642 who would 236 00:11:24,642 --> 00:11:28,687 push back on these dark elements within the community. 237 00:11:28,771 --> 00:11:30,022 And it was reported to police 238 00:11:30,022 --> 00:11:32,525 at the time of the incident that just days 239 00:11:32,525 --> 00:11:35,277 before this took place, he had confronted 240 00:11:35,277 --> 00:11:39,031 someone from his school about selling drugs in the area 241 00:11:39,031 --> 00:11:43,577 and telling them that he was going to personally stop to it. 242 00:11:43,577 --> 00:11:48,290 So for the first while after the murders this is where the police 243 00:11:48,290 --> 00:11:51,335 were looking ...but that would change 244 00:11:51,419 --> 00:11:54,505 I think that the FBI statistics are still somewhere 245 00:11:54,505 --> 00:11:58,384 in the high eighties that most victims know their assailant. 246 00:12:04,014 --> 00:12:06,475 The next murders took place in Vallejo 247 00:12:06,475 --> 00:12:08,894 at a place called Blue Rock Springs, 248 00:12:08,894 --> 00:12:11,897 which was only about a six or seven minute drive 249 00:12:11,897 --> 00:12:15,693 from Lake Hermon Road where the first murders took place. 250 00:12:15,776 --> 00:12:18,487 Again, another fairly quiet, 251 00:12:18,487 --> 00:12:21,282 fairly small and peaceful place. 252 00:12:21,282 --> 00:12:23,826 Never had too many murders. 253 00:12:23,826 --> 00:12:27,329 We solved them all, but there was just a few. 254 00:12:27,413 --> 00:12:30,750 Darlene Ferrin was the next victim. 255 00:12:30,833 --> 00:12:34,503 She was a 22 year old local waitress who had gone out 256 00:12:34,587 --> 00:12:38,716 for a nice drive with a friend, Mike Margo, that evening. 257 00:12:38,799 --> 00:12:42,178 They were cruising around Vallejo when a car chased 258 00:12:42,178 --> 00:12:44,054 them out of town and cornered them. 259 00:12:44,054 --> 00:12:46,557 We were chased by this guy. 260 00:12:46,557 --> 00:12:48,684 Chased by him from a restaurant. 261 00:12:48,684 --> 00:12:51,312 He was chasing us and I told her to pull into the parking lot. 262 00:12:53,898 --> 00:12:55,316 According to Mike Mageau, 263 00:12:55,316 --> 00:12:59,320 they were chased throughout the evening to restaurant 264 00:12:59,403 --> 00:13:02,406 and location after location until they got to blue 265 00:13:02,406 --> 00:13:05,284 rock Springs, where they thought they had lost him. 266 00:13:07,912 --> 00:13:10,539 And this guy pulled up beside them. 267 00:13:10,539 --> 00:13:11,415 Darlene and Mike 268 00:13:11,415 --> 00:13:14,793 looked across at them and apparently Darlene knew 269 00:13:14,877 --> 00:13:15,836 who this guy was. 270 00:13:15,836 --> 00:13:17,046 That was chasing them. 271 00:13:17,046 --> 00:13:20,591 22 year old Darlene Ferrin and 19 year old Mike 272 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:23,719 believe the man approaching their car is a policeman. 273 00:13:23,719 --> 00:13:26,555 And then suddenly the door was open and this crew cut 274 00:13:26,555 --> 00:13:30,226 Man with glasses, really pronounced stomach 275 00:13:30,309 --> 00:13:32,520 gets out, shining a light into their eyes. 276 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:33,312 They're totally blind. 277 00:13:33,312 --> 00:13:35,064 And Mike had reached for his wallet, 278 00:13:35,064 --> 00:13:37,650 almost as if he thought it was some sort of policeman. 279 00:13:37,650 --> 00:13:40,861 And he fired bullets into the car and the bullets 280 00:13:40,945 --> 00:13:41,695 passed through. 281 00:13:41,695 --> 00:13:43,739 Mike, who was very badly wounded. 282 00:13:43,739 --> 00:13:47,159 He had extensive surgery, but Darlene was killed. 283 00:13:47,243 --> 00:13:48,410 He survived. 284 00:13:48,410 --> 00:13:51,872 Mike Mageau miraculously survived. 285 00:13:59,922 --> 00:14:03,592 This was a pretty brutal murder once again. 286 00:14:03,676 --> 00:14:05,970 And most of the bullets 287 00:14:05,970 --> 00:14:09,557 were pumped into Darlene. 288 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,227 Mike obviously took a few pretty brutal shots, but 289 00:14:13,310 --> 00:14:15,813 it seemed like the killer was very focused on Darlene. 290 00:14:15,813 --> 00:14:18,274 At least that was what the police 291 00:14:18,274 --> 00:14:21,652 and what the reports would say at the time. 292 00:14:21,735 --> 00:14:25,197 And he asked Darlene, do you know who that is? 293 00:14:25,197 --> 00:14:27,950 And she said something like, Never mind. 294 00:14:27,950 --> 00:14:30,869 And the fact is as well that Darlene had been 295 00:14:30,869 --> 00:14:33,539 saying to people, including her sister, 296 00:14:33,539 --> 00:14:37,751 that there was someone who she was afraid of, 297 00:14:37,835 --> 00:14:40,254 someone who basically she 298 00:14:40,254 --> 00:14:43,215 apparently had witnessed do something before. 299 00:14:43,215 --> 00:14:46,010 She said that she's seen them do something. 300 00:14:46,010 --> 00:14:48,095 She's seen them kill someone 301 00:14:48,095 --> 00:14:49,263 She never mention the name. 302 00:14:49,263 --> 00:14:51,056 But she... Something about a Richard. 303 00:14:51,056 --> 00:14:52,516 I remember Richard. 304 00:14:52,516 --> 00:14:54,184 Named Richard 305 00:14:54,184 --> 00:14:57,813 So the initial thoughts were that someone clearly knew 306 00:14:57,813 --> 00:14:59,523 the victim 307 00:14:59,607 --> 00:15:00,566 because of 308 00:15:00,566 --> 00:15:04,028 how brutal it was, particularly to Darlene. 309 00:15:04,111 --> 00:15:07,489 For example, she was out with Mike while her husband 310 00:15:07,489 --> 00:15:12,578 was apparently at home with the kids at the time. 311 00:15:12,620 --> 00:15:15,456 You know, and Mike has said that 312 00:15:15,456 --> 00:15:17,541 he was her boyfriend at the time. 313 00:15:19,752 --> 00:15:21,670 According to her husband, Dean, 314 00:15:21,670 --> 00:15:23,422 she liked to go out and dance 315 00:15:23,422 --> 00:15:25,716 and enjoy a time with her friends. 316 00:15:25,716 --> 00:15:27,635 And while there were rumors 317 00:15:27,635 --> 00:15:30,638 spread that she was off with other men, 318 00:15:30,721 --> 00:15:33,682 Dean says he never took this to heart 319 00:15:33,682 --> 00:15:35,309 and didn't believe it. 320 00:15:38,187 --> 00:15:41,482 So there was a lot of intrigue around this idea that it was 321 00:15:41,482 --> 00:15:45,152 someone that Darlene knew that was chasing them. 322 00:15:45,152 --> 00:15:48,530 And the police officer angle was quite interesting. 323 00:15:48,530 --> 00:15:50,449 This was one that was put forward 324 00:15:50,449 --> 00:15:55,037 very much by, I think, Graysmith in his book at one point. 325 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,040 And that was an interesting one for a few reasons, 326 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,709 not least the fact that Mike 327 00:16:00,709 --> 00:16:02,920 has admitted in his testimony that they thought 328 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:04,630 it was a police officer behind them 329 00:16:04,630 --> 00:16:05,381 the way 330 00:16:05,381 --> 00:16:06,924 the car parked behind them apparently 331 00:16:06,924 --> 00:16:09,093 was quite like a police officer. 332 00:16:09,093 --> 00:16:10,511 And another part of that theory 333 00:16:10,511 --> 00:16:12,805 that would make you think that perhaps this guy 334 00:16:12,805 --> 00:16:16,684 has some sort of insight with the police or is police 335 00:16:16,767 --> 00:16:21,188 is that according to Mike, in Graysmith’s book, 336 00:16:21,271 --> 00:16:24,900 the door handle on the passenger side was removed 337 00:16:25,150 --> 00:16:26,819 and he couldn't actually get out of the car 338 00:16:26,819 --> 00:16:30,239 until the zodiac opened the door to shoot him. 339 00:16:30,322 --> 00:16:33,492 But in the police reports, that door handle was then back, 340 00:16:33,492 --> 00:16:34,702 which would mean someone 341 00:16:34,702 --> 00:16:39,540 who had access to the crime scen 342 00:16:39,623 --> 00:16:41,625 Graysmith wrote a book 343 00:16:41,625 --> 00:16:44,378 about the Zodiac and he mentioned in his book 344 00:16:44,378 --> 00:16:48,048 that I was at her Darlene and her husband's house 345 00:16:48,048 --> 00:16:52,511 on a house painting party prior to her death. 346 00:16:52,511 --> 00:16:55,180 And I, I don't know anything about that. 347 00:16:55,180 --> 00:16:56,181 I wasn't me. 348 00:16:59,810 --> 00:17:03,063 Dick Hoffman was the police officer who arrived on 349 00:17:03,063 --> 00:17:07,651 scene first before the rest of the cavalry rode in. 350 00:17:07,735 --> 00:17:12,531 He collected some of her items and waited for the ambulance 351 00:17:12,531 --> 00:17:16,160 and was told to ride with them to the hospital. 352 00:17:18,996 --> 00:17:21,081 You knew her before the attack, right? 353 00:17:21,081 --> 00:17:22,499 I've never laid eyes on her. 354 00:17:22,499 --> 00:17:23,667 You never laid eyes on her? 355 00:17:23,667 --> 00:17:24,626 No. No. 356 00:17:24,626 --> 00:17:29,048 I had heard that she was a waitress at 357 00:17:29,131 --> 00:17:32,801 an all night restaurant in Vallejo. 358 00:17:34,553 --> 00:17:37,055 But I didn't know the girl at all. 359 00:17:38,849 --> 00:17:40,559 Initially, there was obviously the thought 360 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:42,436 that this was someone she knew. 361 00:17:42,436 --> 00:17:44,396 Some of those roads would have pointed 362 00:17:44,396 --> 00:17:47,107 for obvious reasons to her ex-husband. 363 00:17:47,107 --> 00:17:47,816 But there is 364 00:17:47,816 --> 00:17:51,820 a variety of other people that could have been involved. 365 00:17:51,904 --> 00:17:54,323 Darlene definitely was afraid of someone. 366 00:17:57,951 --> 00:17:59,661 In cases such as this, 367 00:17:59,661 --> 00:18:03,165 those closest to the victims are normally the ones 368 00:18:03,165 --> 00:18:05,125 who are investigated first, 369 00:18:05,125 --> 00:18:08,045 especially when there is not only a husband 370 00:18:08,045 --> 00:18:10,839 but an ex husband involved. 371 00:18:10,839 --> 00:18:13,842 And especially in this case where her ex-husband 372 00:18:13,926 --> 00:18:16,929 had a criminal record to beat. 373 00:18:17,137 --> 00:18:20,974 And Dean had said that she and her ex-husband 374 00:18:21,058 --> 00:18:24,686 had had a lot of issues throughout their time together. 375 00:18:24,895 --> 00:18:28,106 And he had even stalked her at times. 376 00:18:28,190 --> 00:18:31,819 Those closest to Darlene also talked 377 00:18:31,819 --> 00:18:35,739 about how her ex-husband was a strange character. 378 00:18:35,781 --> 00:18:38,242 All of this leading police to believe 379 00:18:38,242 --> 00:18:42,120 that was the best place to look, at least at first. 380 00:18:43,497 --> 00:18:45,499 All of those thoughts and ideas, though, quickly 381 00:18:45,499 --> 00:18:49,253 went out the window after one terrifying phone call. 382 00:18:49,461 --> 00:18:52,840 Then the next call I got 383 00:18:52,881 --> 00:18:55,467 was about 12:40 384 00:18:55,467 --> 00:18:57,970 Vallejo Police Department 385 00:18:58,011 --> 00:18:59,471 I want to report a double murder. 386 00:18:59,471 --> 00:19:03,141 If you go one mile east on Columbus Parkway, 387 00:19:03,392 --> 00:19:07,354 a public park, you’ll find kids in a brown car. 388 00:19:07,437 --> 00:19:11,400 They were shot with a nine millimeter lugar. 389 00:19:11,483 --> 00:19:14,820 I also killed those kid last year. 390 00:19:16,363 --> 00:19:17,573 Goooood....bye..... 391 00:19:18,490 --> 00:19:20,576 the lead investigator, sent police 392 00:19:20,576 --> 00:19:25,289 to go and dust the phone booth for fingerprints. 393 00:19:25,372 --> 00:19:28,292 But even today, this would have been difficult 394 00:19:28,292 --> 00:19:31,295 as they found dozens and dozens of fingerprints 395 00:19:31,545 --> 00:19:35,632 that still have not been verified or identified. 396 00:19:35,716 --> 00:19:38,051 This was no easy task, 397 00:19:38,051 --> 00:19:40,345 especially in the sixties. 398 00:19:49,813 --> 00:19:50,689 Then the case's 399 00:19:50,689 --> 00:19:53,692 most famous signature would be introduced. 400 00:19:53,734 --> 00:19:55,736 The killer sent letters between to the 401 00:19:55,736 --> 00:19:57,279 Newspapers. The San Francisco 402 00:19:57,279 --> 00:20:00,574 Chronicle, The Examiner and The Vallejo Times Herald. 403 00:20:00,657 --> 00:20:02,910 They were the beginning of a flood of written evidence. 404 00:20:02,910 --> 00:20:05,454 He would pour forth for years to come. 405 00:20:05,454 --> 00:20:07,915 He gave himself a name.... Zodiac! 406 00:20:07,915 --> 00:20:10,709 Knowing such things as describing what the woman was 407 00:20:10,709 --> 00:20:12,961 wearing. You know, enough details 408 00:20:12,961 --> 00:20:14,838 to tell the police that he was the man. 409 00:20:14,838 --> 00:20:16,632 Print these pages...or else 410 00:20:16,715 --> 00:20:18,884 If you do not print this cipher, 411 00:20:18,884 --> 00:20:21,386 I will cruise around all weekend killing 412 00:20:21,386 --> 00:20:25,140 lonely people in the night and until I end up with a dozen. 413 00:20:25,223 --> 00:20:27,142 And what did that do to this community? 414 00:20:27,142 --> 00:20:28,185 It terrified everyone. 415 00:20:28,185 --> 00:20:30,771 Three newspapers gave their front pages to this man. 416 00:20:30,771 --> 00:20:32,648 I mean, that's how terrible they were. 417 00:20:32,648 --> 00:20:35,776 In this particular code, the Zodiac used what we referred 418 00:20:35,776 --> 00:20:39,821 to as a common letter numeral substitution code, 419 00:20:39,821 --> 00:20:42,199 where you might substitute the letter 420 00:20:42,199 --> 00:20:47,371 C for E, and A for B and etc., etc.. And 421 00:20:47,454 --> 00:20:49,748 coupled with that, he used 422 00:20:49,748 --> 00:20:53,210 some symbols that you might describe as being 423 00:20:53,293 --> 00:20:55,420 something like semaphore flags, where he'd 424 00:20:55,420 --> 00:20:58,924 take a square and color in half of it diagonally, 425 00:20:59,007 --> 00:21:02,928 or he used some Greek symbols. 426 00:21:03,011 --> 00:21:05,514 The published codes stumped hundreds of amateur 427 00:21:05,514 --> 00:21:06,723 cryptographers 428 00:21:06,723 --> 00:21:08,767 and several intelligence agencies 429 00:21:08,767 --> 00:21:10,686 Police, the CIA, and 430 00:21:10,769 --> 00:21:13,939 a variety of law enforcement and governmental 431 00:21:13,939 --> 00:21:17,567 offices tried to break the cipher 432 00:21:17,651 --> 00:21:19,945 that was given with these letters, but 433 00:21:19,945 --> 00:21:24,157 it was solved by an unlikely couple. 434 00:21:24,199 --> 00:21:27,536 Husband and wife who were teachers in San Francisco. 435 00:21:28,370 --> 00:21:30,622 And finally, Donald Harden and his wife, 436 00:21:30,622 --> 00:21:32,916 simply sat down and through sheer stick-to-itiveness 437 00:21:32,916 --> 00:21:34,459 worked around the clock. 438 00:21:34,459 --> 00:21:37,379 And they were the only ones, the CIA, Naval intelligence, 439 00:21:37,379 --> 00:21:40,048 None of these people were able to crack the three cipher codes. 440 00:21:40,048 --> 00:21:41,883 And this was certainly for his wife, 441 00:21:41,883 --> 00:21:43,218 the very first attempt at any 442 00:21:43,218 --> 00:21:45,137 sort of cryptography for Don Harden. 443 00:21:45,137 --> 00:21:46,638 I think he'd done the crossword puzzles. 444 00:21:46,638 --> 00:21:48,223 He had some various books on ciphers. 445 00:21:48,223 --> 00:21:49,307 But what they had begun to do 446 00:21:49,307 --> 00:21:51,059 is they looked for a double combination 447 00:21:51,059 --> 00:21:53,395 of symbols, the most common being a double “L”. 448 00:21:53,395 --> 00:21:56,523 And Mrs. Harden thought that he would use the word kill. 449 00:21:56,606 --> 00:21:57,816 And so once they figured that word, 450 00:21:57,816 --> 00:21:58,984 killing or kill was somewhere, 451 00:21:58,984 --> 00:21:59,901 and those were double L's 452 00:21:59,901 --> 00:22:01,403 that they were seeing throughout these ciphers 453 00:22:01,403 --> 00:22:04,114 that eventually gave them the key to to break it. 454 00:22:04,114 --> 00:22:07,409 I like killing people because it is so much fun. 455 00:22:07,492 --> 00:22:10,912 It is more fun than killing wild game in the forest 456 00:22:10,996 --> 00:22:14,249 because man is the most dangerous animal of all. 457 00:22:14,332 --> 00:22:17,961 There's an interesting piece in the cipher, which is 458 00:22:18,045 --> 00:22:20,297 about humans being the most dangerous animal of all, 459 00:22:20,297 --> 00:22:23,008 which is a quote from “The Dangerous Game”. 460 00:22:23,008 --> 00:22:25,761 And this definitely stood out to police officers 461 00:22:25,761 --> 00:22:26,887 and got them a little bit worried 462 00:22:26,887 --> 00:22:31,099 because at the end of the day, that is a movie about a man 463 00:22:31,099 --> 00:22:34,311 who hunts humans basically for sport. 464 00:22:34,519 --> 00:22:37,439 So a little bit worrying that even 465 00:22:37,439 --> 00:22:40,400 with these letters, the police essentially had nothing. 466 00:22:40,609 --> 00:22:44,404 The status of the case is just as bad as it was. 467 00:22:44,404 --> 00:22:45,739 We're getting many, many letters 468 00:22:45,739 --> 00:22:47,115 and telephone calls and everything. 469 00:22:47,115 --> 00:22:50,994 There's no no specific person that we suspect at this time. 470 00:22:51,203 --> 00:22:54,498 And it was about to get much, much worse. 471 00:23:00,796 --> 00:23:02,964 Napa was kind of a secluded 472 00:23:02,964 --> 00:23:07,385 community were bordered on both sides by major 473 00:23:07,469 --> 00:23:08,136 highways. 474 00:23:08,136 --> 00:23:12,599 Highway 80 to our east and highway one on one to our west. 475 00:23:12,682 --> 00:23:15,685 And so we don't get a lot of the traffic coming through Napa. 476 00:23:15,727 --> 00:23:17,062 Some of the other cities do. 477 00:23:17,062 --> 00:23:19,940 So we have a relatively low crime rate. 478 00:23:19,940 --> 00:23:22,526 We sometimes go several years without a homicide. 479 00:23:23,485 --> 00:23:26,363 Napa in those days would have been very quiet 480 00:23:26,363 --> 00:23:28,115 in terms of crime. 481 00:23:28,115 --> 00:23:29,366 However, that year 482 00:23:29,366 --> 00:23:32,369 there had been five or six homicides, which was 483 00:23:32,369 --> 00:23:35,789 quite unusual for the sixties in Napa 484 00:23:35,789 --> 00:23:37,332 Lake Berryessa 485 00:23:37,415 --> 00:23:41,586 at that time of year was also extremely quiet. 486 00:23:41,670 --> 00:23:44,047 So this was an unusual day, 487 00:23:44,047 --> 00:23:44,881 September 488 00:23:44,881 --> 00:23:49,010 27th, 1969, for his new role of executioner. 489 00:23:49,219 --> 00:23:51,596 Zodiac chooses a peaceful setting 490 00:23:51,596 --> 00:23:54,474 in the heart of California's wine country. 491 00:23:54,474 --> 00:23:56,726 Celia Sheppard and Bryan Hartnell, 492 00:23:56,726 --> 00:23:58,645 both in their early twenties, 493 00:23:58,645 --> 00:24:00,522 were sitting on this knoll of land 494 00:24:00,522 --> 00:24:03,066 overlooking part of Lake Barry. 495 00:24:03,150 --> 00:24:03,984 They thought they were 496 00:24:03,984 --> 00:24:07,320 alone, but there was a third man on this knoll. 497 00:24:07,404 --> 00:24:10,866 A man who wore a medieval style executioner's hood, 498 00:24:10,949 --> 00:24:14,286 carried a knife and gun and intended to use them. 499 00:24:16,371 --> 00:24:18,373 They were approximately a quarter of a mile 500 00:24:18,373 --> 00:24:22,836 from the road down near the water front, 501 00:24:22,919 --> 00:24:25,630 and they were laying down on a blanket. 502 00:24:25,630 --> 00:24:28,341 The talking, they were schoolmates. 503 00:24:28,341 --> 00:24:32,012 And the subject approached them. 504 00:24:32,095 --> 00:24:33,972 They saw 505 00:24:33,972 --> 00:24:36,349 a subject come up by them. 506 00:24:36,349 --> 00:24:39,019 I happened to hear some rustling in behind us 507 00:24:39,019 --> 00:24:41,479 and I asked her to look as she was facing that direction. 508 00:24:41,479 --> 00:24:43,857 I was facing toward the water and 509 00:24:43,857 --> 00:24:46,735 I asked her to note, you know, what was going on. 510 00:24:46,735 --> 00:24:48,445 And she said, there's a man walking around. 511 00:24:48,445 --> 00:24:49,654 And she became concerned about it. 512 00:24:49,654 --> 00:24:51,740 And I said, Well, actually, don't worry about it. 513 00:24:51,740 --> 00:24:56,203 It's something there's a lot of people, picnickers, etc.. 514 00:24:56,286 --> 00:24:58,872 And just, you know, if you kept coming, let me know. 515 00:24:58,872 --> 00:25:00,874 And she kind of kept watching. 516 00:25:00,874 --> 00:25:03,460 I noticed she wasn't following my conversation. 517 00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:04,377 She told me 518 00:25:04,377 --> 00:25:07,714 he was stepping behind a tree and the tree was about 519 00:25:07,797 --> 00:25:09,174 30 feet behind us. 520 00:25:09,174 --> 00:25:11,927 And when he came out, she said, he's got a mask on. 521 00:25:11,927 --> 00:25:13,094 And that was my first inkling 522 00:25:13,094 --> 00:25:16,097 that there was anything actually wrong going on. 523 00:25:16,348 --> 00:25:17,641 They didn't think too much about it. 524 00:25:17,641 --> 00:25:22,562 And the next thing I knew, the subject was upon him with a gun 525 00:25:22,646 --> 00:25:27,609 and demanded the keys to the car and money. 526 00:25:27,776 --> 00:25:29,319 And I actually laughed at the moment 527 00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:33,365 because I told him, I said, I've only got $0.75 in my pocket. 528 00:25:33,365 --> 00:25:35,450 And I said, You're welcome to have it. 529 00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:36,701 I considered him a robber. 530 00:25:36,701 --> 00:25:39,120 I had absolutely no thought 531 00:25:39,204 --> 00:25:41,248 that he was anything but that. 532 00:25:41,248 --> 00:25:42,958 And when we were at this robbery stage, 533 00:25:42,958 --> 00:25:44,876 I didn't consider any real threat to my life 534 00:25:44,876 --> 00:25:46,378 or to or to the girl or anything. 535 00:25:46,378 --> 00:25:49,548 I didn't consider this, but I really wanted to help him. 536 00:25:50,298 --> 00:25:54,636 He pulled some cuts of a three foot length of clothesline 537 00:25:54,719 --> 00:25:56,096 It's actually plastic. 538 00:25:56,096 --> 00:25:59,391 It's the kind that this hollow in the center. 539 00:25:59,474 --> 00:26:01,559 The young man 540 00:26:01,559 --> 00:26:03,645 stated that, you're going to have my money. 541 00:26:03,645 --> 00:26:07,649 I've only got a few cents, 75 or $0.80. 542 00:26:07,732 --> 00:26:09,818 And with this he says, Well, I'm going to tie you up. 543 00:26:09,818 --> 00:26:13,780 And he had the young lady tie 544 00:26:13,863 --> 00:26:17,325 her friend up, and then he tied the girl up. 545 00:26:17,450 --> 00:26:19,160 He said, Well, what I need right now is to get you 546 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,998 tied up. And so he had the girl tie me. Of course she was real 547 00:26:22,998 --> 00:26:25,500 nervous and tied me rather loosely. 548 00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:28,211 And he came and he tightened the knot up, 549 00:26:28,211 --> 00:26:30,297 and then he tied her up. 550 00:26:30,297 --> 00:26:33,049 And we continued the dialog along 551 00:26:33,049 --> 00:26:34,718 most of this time, 552 00:26:34,718 --> 00:26:37,220 and the kid said the money is in my pocket. 553 00:26:37,304 --> 00:26:38,179 He said, I don't want the money. 554 00:26:38,179 --> 00:26:40,515 All I want to do is just kill you. 555 00:26:40,515 --> 00:26:41,933 The boy asked him, said, You really mean that? 556 00:26:41,933 --> 00:26:42,600 And he said, yes. 557 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,060 I mean it 558 00:26:44,060 --> 00:26:46,229 he said, well if you're going to, then kill me 559 00:26:46,229 --> 00:26:49,232 first because I can't stand to see the girl be stabbed. 560 00:26:49,232 --> 00:26:50,442 He said, Well, I'll do that. 561 00:26:50,442 --> 00:26:54,237 So he started stabbing the kid in the back 562 00:26:54,321 --> 00:26:56,072 and laid him face down. 563 00:26:56,072 --> 00:27:00,201 And with this, he proceeded to knife 564 00:27:00,285 --> 00:27:02,329 both of them numerous times. 565 00:27:02,329 --> 00:27:05,498 Still on his knees, the man gave a ghastly, 566 00:27:05,707 --> 00:27:09,627 frenzied sound and letting out a long, low exhalation 567 00:27:09,836 --> 00:27:13,506 began stabbing the girl in the back ten times. 568 00:27:13,673 --> 00:27:15,175 The knife fell. 569 00:27:15,175 --> 00:27:19,137 Instinctively, Cecilia rolled over on her back 570 00:27:19,220 --> 00:27:21,890 and the dark hunter continued, thrusting. 571 00:27:21,890 --> 00:27:26,728 Once he plunged the knife full length into her chest. 572 00:27:26,811 --> 00:27:30,065 sated at last, the stocky man stood up 573 00:27:30,148 --> 00:27:32,650 and tossed the money and keys onto the blanket next 574 00:27:32,650 --> 00:27:34,319 to his victims. 575 00:27:34,402 --> 00:27:37,405 He walked slowly across the open peninsula 576 00:27:37,489 --> 00:27:39,824 and was soon lost in the empty twilight. 577 00:27:41,326 --> 00:27:43,078 Bryan will probably be able 578 00:27:43,078 --> 00:27:46,539 to leave Queen of the Valley Hospital fairly soon, 579 00:27:46,623 --> 00:27:49,292 but where he's going from here is being kept secret. 580 00:27:49,292 --> 00:27:51,711 In the event that the man who attacked him 581 00:27:51,711 --> 00:27:53,421 and killed Cecilia Shepard on Lake 582 00:27:53,421 --> 00:27:56,299 Barryessa a week ago Saturday tries again. 583 00:27:57,384 --> 00:28:00,345 Bryan made it for two reasons some people might regard 584 00:28:00,345 --> 00:28:03,640 as intangibles, but reasons that for him were enough, 585 00:28:04,349 --> 00:28:08,395 a strong faith and an equally strong will to live. 586 00:28:08,478 --> 00:28:11,272 I got, I was able to untie one of her hands 587 00:28:11,272 --> 00:28:13,608 that she was too weak to untie me at that time. 588 00:28:13,608 --> 00:28:17,153 Finally, one fisherman who's going real slow, he stopped. 589 00:28:17,153 --> 00:28:18,154 He shut off his motor 590 00:28:18,154 --> 00:28:21,157 and we cajoled and called and we did everything to try 591 00:28:21,157 --> 00:28:22,409 to get him to come. 592 00:28:22,409 --> 00:28:25,453 He sat there for about 15 minutes and he 593 00:28:25,620 --> 00:28:28,957 he did finally come closer, but he wouldn't come to the shore. 594 00:28:28,957 --> 00:28:31,793 I guess he was afraid that the man might still be around. 595 00:28:31,793 --> 00:28:33,503 He said he'd go get help. 596 00:28:33,503 --> 00:28:36,923 So I got...encouraged her enough to get me untied, and 597 00:28:37,006 --> 00:28:40,510 I got one wrist loose so that I could get the rest untied. 598 00:28:40,593 --> 00:28:41,511 How were you finally? 599 00:28:41,511 --> 00:28:43,138 How were you finally found? 600 00:28:43,138 --> 00:28:44,764 Well, she was found out on the blanket. 601 00:28:44,764 --> 00:28:48,726 Still...I made it up about 300 yards up 602 00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:49,686 almost to the road. 603 00:28:49,686 --> 00:28:52,313 And that it was a slow process because I kept black. 604 00:28:52,313 --> 00:28:54,566 I couldn't see, you know, I kept blacking out and my legs 605 00:28:54,566 --> 00:28:56,609 kept getting weak, but I was getting progress. 606 00:28:56,609 --> 00:28:58,611 I think I could have made it to the road, 607 00:28:58,611 --> 00:28:59,779 but a pickup 608 00:28:59,779 --> 00:29:00,655 truck, was coming along 609 00:29:00,655 --> 00:29:02,365 with these dirt roads, and apparently 610 00:29:02,365 --> 00:29:04,409 this man had called for help. 611 00:29:04,409 --> 00:29:07,162 Such a change in crime. 612 00:29:07,162 --> 00:29:10,039 He was clearly evolving 613 00:29:10,123 --> 00:29:11,249 and getting, 614 00:29:11,249 --> 00:29:14,043 let's be honest, much worse. 615 00:29:14,043 --> 00:29:15,837 I've had 11 years 616 00:29:15,837 --> 00:29:18,298 patrol on this lake and I've seen a lot of people 617 00:29:18,298 --> 00:29:19,674 cut up by boat accidents and this. 618 00:29:19,674 --> 00:29:22,260 But this is one of the worst things I ever witnessed. 619 00:29:22,260 --> 00:29:24,596 So for no reason at all, 620 00:29:24,596 --> 00:29:27,599 a hooded man came out with a pistol drawn on them, 621 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:30,393 tied him up, and then told me he had to kill them. So. 622 00:29:31,227 --> 00:29:33,438 So there have been this theory that park ranger 623 00:29:33,438 --> 00:29:34,355 Dennis Land 624 00:29:34,898 --> 00:29:37,609 was somehow involved in this, 625 00:29:38,026 --> 00:29:41,029 and his activities and his actions during and after 626 00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:44,324 the crime are definitely cause for suspicion. 627 00:29:46,034 --> 00:29:49,913 There has been one man who is a source of controversy 628 00:29:49,913 --> 00:29:54,000 around this particular incident, a man who fit the description 629 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,838 of the killer who was nearby and who tampered with evidence. 630 00:29:58,922 --> 00:30:02,550 And this was park ranger Dennis Land. 631 00:30:02,634 --> 00:30:06,137 In fact, when Dennis Land arrived on scene, 632 00:30:06,221 --> 00:30:08,932 Brian Hartnell even said he thought 633 00:30:08,932 --> 00:30:12,810 it was the killer returning to the scene of the crime. 634 00:30:12,894 --> 00:30:15,563 And while waiting for detectives 635 00:30:15,563 --> 00:30:19,108 from the sheriff's department to arrive, Deputy Land 636 00:30:19,192 --> 00:30:21,861 talked to the witnesses that were there 637 00:30:21,861 --> 00:30:24,447 and obtained statements from them. 638 00:30:24,447 --> 00:30:27,450 I began a search for evidence. 639 00:30:27,534 --> 00:30:28,826 Dennis Land 640 00:30:28,826 --> 00:30:31,829 has been the cause of suspicion 641 00:30:31,829 --> 00:30:36,793 ever since that day by a variety of people. 642 00:30:36,876 --> 00:30:38,878 And the reason for this 643 00:30:38,878 --> 00:30:42,173 is that he packed up the entire crime scene 644 00:30:42,257 --> 00:30:45,552 and brought it back to the park ranger station. 645 00:30:45,635 --> 00:30:48,388 This is not something an investigator 646 00:30:48,388 --> 00:30:50,098 or a police officer would do. 647 00:30:50,098 --> 00:30:52,433 And in fact, it is something that normally 648 00:30:52,433 --> 00:30:53,393 they would be trained 649 00:30:53,393 --> 00:30:56,646 not to do in order to preserve the crime scene 650 00:30:56,729 --> 00:31:00,149 and allow the lead investigators to look at the crime scene 651 00:31:00,149 --> 00:31:05,363 as it was at the time that the crime itself took place. 652 00:31:05,446 --> 00:31:09,325 Now, according to the investigator and Dennis Land, 653 00:31:09,409 --> 00:31:13,079 it seemed like Dennis Land was trying to do the right thing 654 00:31:13,162 --> 00:31:16,165 to preserve the crime scene from being blown apart 655 00:31:16,165 --> 00:31:19,836 and blown away in such an open area. 656 00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:23,339 However, this did upset the police, 657 00:31:23,339 --> 00:31:27,385 who really would have preferred to see the blood, 658 00:31:27,468 --> 00:31:33,141 the hair follicles and so on in their correct location. 659 00:31:33,224 --> 00:31:35,685 Another reason why Dennis Land has been a cause 660 00:31:35,685 --> 00:31:38,688 for suspicion is that he radioed himself 661 00:31:38,730 --> 00:31:42,525 going into the dark before the crime took place 662 00:31:42,609 --> 00:31:45,445 and put himself back into radio contact 663 00:31:45,445 --> 00:31:49,449 only after the police had been called. 664 00:31:49,532 --> 00:31:52,910 One crucial piece of evidence that was found during 665 00:31:52,910 --> 00:31:56,164 this was a very unique boot print. 666 00:31:56,247 --> 00:31:59,459 One piece of evidence that would become synonymous with 667 00:31:59,459 --> 00:32:04,839 this crime was the footprint left behind at Lake Berryessa 668 00:32:04,881 --> 00:32:07,592 A very unique boot print 669 00:32:07,592 --> 00:32:11,137 that was easily identifiable by the police 670 00:32:11,220 --> 00:32:15,808 to a very unique shoe known as a wing walker. 671 00:32:15,892 --> 00:32:20,021 This shoe was used specifically so as not to build up static 672 00:32:20,104 --> 00:32:23,608 so that military personnel could walk on the wings 673 00:32:23,608 --> 00:32:26,152 of aircraft in order to service them. 674 00:32:28,029 --> 00:32:29,614 Well, the pictures are in the paper. 675 00:32:29,614 --> 00:32:31,449 This last one that they put out, 676 00:32:31,449 --> 00:32:32,950 I think is probably as accurate 677 00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:34,661 as any of that they have put up. 678 00:32:34,661 --> 00:32:38,998 He was of medium to short height, a kind of 679 00:32:39,082 --> 00:32:41,626 pouchy 680 00:32:41,626 --> 00:32:44,420 real casually casual, I don't want to say sloppily, 681 00:32:44,420 --> 00:32:46,506 but casually, real casually dressed, 682 00:32:46,506 --> 00:32:48,925 of course, a little dusty from the lake. 683 00:32:48,925 --> 00:32:49,926 And he had this black hood 684 00:32:49,926 --> 00:32:54,180 on, came clear down to here, just little slits in the eyes. 685 00:32:54,263 --> 00:32:56,182 And you know, these clip on glasses, 686 00:32:56,182 --> 00:32:58,059 they were clipped into those little. 687 00:33:00,019 --> 00:33:00,978 One piece 688 00:33:00,978 --> 00:33:04,190 of evidence that baffled police 689 00:33:04,273 --> 00:33:07,652 was why this man would wear a mask 690 00:33:07,652 --> 00:33:11,406 if he intended to murder someone, 691 00:33:11,489 --> 00:33:13,282 as the police said at the time. 692 00:33:13,282 --> 00:33:16,285 Normally, if you knew you were going to kill someone, 693 00:33:16,369 --> 00:33:18,746 you don't need to hide your identity. 694 00:33:20,665 --> 00:33:21,999 But very quickly, 695 00:33:21,999 --> 00:33:25,294 there was some clear and evident links 696 00:33:25,378 --> 00:33:30,216 that would tie this right back to the prior zodiac killings. 697 00:33:30,299 --> 00:33:32,093 At 7:40 p.m. 698 00:33:32,093 --> 00:33:36,097 Officer Slaight at the Napa Poli Department received this call. 699 00:33:36,180 --> 00:33:39,517 The local police switchboard was one of the old 700 00:33:39,517 --> 00:33:42,854 style switches where you had to manually plug the 701 00:33:42,854 --> 00:33:43,771 cables in and out. 702 00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:45,898 And that evening 703 00:33:45,898 --> 00:33:50,528 one of the operators got a very ominous call. 704 00:33:50,611 --> 00:33:53,489 There was a male voice on the other end of the phone 705 00:33:53,489 --> 00:33:58,536 and he said, I want to report a murder, 706 00:33:58,619 --> 00:34:01,581 A Double Murder. 707 00:34:01,581 --> 00:34:04,792 two miles north of the park headquarters. 708 00:34:04,876 --> 00:34:09,797 They were in a white Volkswagen Karmann Ghia. 709 00:34:09,881 --> 00:34:12,091 I'm the one that did it 710 00:34:14,010 --> 00:34:15,136 the call to Napa. 711 00:34:15,136 --> 00:34:17,889 Police came within an hour after the stabbings. 712 00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:20,600 A young man's voice reported the double murder. 713 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,812 He described the couple their car at the scene and hung up. 714 00:34:24,896 --> 00:34:28,816 And then the dispatcher knew that the phone was not hung up. 715 00:34:28,816 --> 00:34:30,443 It just went silent. 716 00:34:30,443 --> 00:34:33,988 And just minutes later, one of the officers said 717 00:34:33,988 --> 00:34:36,908 that he had discovered a phone off the hook at the 718 00:34:36,908 --> 00:34:39,786 at this car wash, which was only five 719 00:34:39,786 --> 00:34:42,789 or six blocks from the local police department. 720 00:34:42,872 --> 00:34:44,916 David's first thought 721 00:34:44,916 --> 00:34:48,127 was that this had been the park ranger 722 00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:51,714 having issues with his radio and sending someone 723 00:34:51,714 --> 00:34:55,343 to the nearest payphone to report the crime. 724 00:34:56,969 --> 00:34:59,680 While that call was terrifying. For me, 725 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:00,681 it does do one thing, 726 00:35:00,681 --> 00:35:01,974 and that is dissuade 727 00:35:01,974 --> 00:35:04,769 the idea that this could have been Dennis Land, 728 00:35:04,769 --> 00:35:07,772 because he was at the crime scene with the detectives 729 00:35:07,939 --> 00:35:10,233 when that call was placed. 730 00:35:10,233 --> 00:35:13,194 And therefore, I don't think he could have done it. 731 00:35:13,194 --> 00:35:14,320 You could get around that 732 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,074 by saying perhaps these killings are done by two people. 733 00:35:18,157 --> 00:35:19,200 But for me, it 734 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,411 kind of dissuaded me away from the idea that Dennis Land 735 00:35:22,411 --> 00:35:23,329 had any involvement. 736 00:35:23,329 --> 00:35:24,205 Personally. 737 00:35:24,747 --> 00:35:27,625 I saw the white Carmen Ghia 738 00:35:27,708 --> 00:35:31,587 and I saw tracks leading away from it. 739 00:35:32,296 --> 00:35:36,843 Police assumed that these tracks were tracks of the Zodiac car 740 00:35:36,884 --> 00:35:42,515 leading away, and this gave them a couple of potential clues. 741 00:35:42,598 --> 00:35:44,016 First of all, there was, of course, the fact 742 00:35:44,016 --> 00:35:48,646 they were able to identify the tires, which were mismatched, 743 00:35:48,729 --> 00:35:51,524 which led the police believe that this was an older 744 00:35:51,524 --> 00:35:55,778 model car that wasn't very well-maintained. 745 00:35:55,862 --> 00:35:58,739 But then, of course, there was the biggest clue, 746 00:35:58,739 --> 00:36:01,409 the connection in all of this, 747 00:36:01,409 --> 00:36:04,287 where they found a list of dates 748 00:36:04,287 --> 00:36:07,248 written on the door of the Carmen Ghia, 749 00:36:07,248 --> 00:36:10,251 which matched to the previous crimes 750 00:36:10,251 --> 00:36:13,838 and finally led to September 29th. 751 00:36:13,921 --> 00:36:16,132 6:30 p.m. 752 00:36:16,132 --> 00:36:19,594 by knife, which was this crime. 753 00:36:19,677 --> 00:36:21,637 Pretty thin point. 754 00:36:21,637 --> 00:36:23,055 You can see a little OCD, though, 755 00:36:23,055 --> 00:36:26,434 with the circles being filled on the time. 756 00:36:26,517 --> 00:36:28,769 You know, if you're in a hurry, you wouldn't even know 757 00:36:28,769 --> 00:36:30,479 he was into time. 758 00:36:30,479 --> 00:36:33,149 You know, he's continually telling us 759 00:36:33,149 --> 00:36:36,611 how far something has went, how long it's been 760 00:36:38,529 --> 00:36:41,824 except this right here is the only thing 761 00:36:41,908 --> 00:36:46,329 that really nails down with some degree of authenticity. 762 00:36:46,329 --> 00:36:49,332 We think the connection between the pieces. 763 00:36:49,332 --> 00:36:51,792 I agree with you. 764 00:36:51,918 --> 00:36:53,210 the killer was evolving. 765 00:36:53,210 --> 00:36:55,463 He was getting more brutal, this time 766 00:36:55,463 --> 00:36:57,590 He actually talked to the victims. 767 00:36:57,590 --> 00:36:59,425 He was experimenting. 768 00:36:59,425 --> 00:37:01,219 He was getting far more brutal. 769 00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:05,264 This was becoming a big issue for the local area. 770 00:37:06,807 --> 00:37:09,018 There is, as far as I'm concerned, 771 00:37:09,018 --> 00:37:13,648 a definite pattern between their killings and ours. 772 00:37:13,648 --> 00:37:18,694 And the message left on the side of the victim's door 773 00:37:19,195 --> 00:37:19,737 eh... 774 00:37:20,154 --> 00:37:21,739 with the dates 775 00:37:21,739 --> 00:37:26,369 of the Solano County murders and ours, 776 00:37:26,452 --> 00:37:29,038 along with other items that are on there, have 777 00:37:29,038 --> 00:37:32,375 definitely indicated to us that they're one and the same. 778 00:37:32,458 --> 00:37:35,044 Does it seem to you as if 779 00:37:35,753 --> 00:37:39,048 you're pretty much on the verge of finding this man? 780 00:37:39,131 --> 00:37:41,092 Well, I wouldn't want to say that. 781 00:37:41,092 --> 00:37:44,303 Dave. We're hoping 782 00:37:44,387 --> 00:37:47,974 we've...we've got some good things working for us, 783 00:37:48,057 --> 00:37:51,018 but it takes time and to be able to reach out 784 00:37:51,018 --> 00:37:54,355 and pluck this guy out of the air isn't done 785 00:37:54,438 --> 00:37:56,190 in most murder cases. 786 00:37:56,190 --> 00:37:57,775 You'll find a motive. 787 00:37:57,775 --> 00:38:00,277 But of course, this guy is just a killer, 788 00:38:00,277 --> 00:38:02,697 a mad killer, and you have no motive. 789 00:38:02,697 --> 00:38:06,450 So it makes it a little bit harder for us to track him down. 790 00:38:11,789 --> 00:38:14,000 In early October, the police interviewed 791 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,962 a man who would go on to become the most famous suspect 792 00:38:17,962 --> 00:38:18,587 in this case. 793 00:38:18,587 --> 00:38:22,091 And the man that I think Toschi and Graysmith 794 00:38:23,009 --> 00:38:26,637 very, very quickly set their focus onto 795 00:38:26,846 --> 00:38:28,306 and they still are fairly certain 796 00:38:28,306 --> 00:38:30,224 that this is the guy who did it. 797 00:38:30,224 --> 00:38:31,517 There's a retired homicide 798 00:38:31,517 --> 00:38:33,561 investigator in Vallejo, California, 799 00:38:33,561 --> 00:38:35,771 who thinks he knows who the killer is. 800 00:38:35,771 --> 00:38:37,398 His name is Jack Mullinax. 801 00:38:37,398 --> 00:38:38,607 18 years ago, 802 00:38:38,607 --> 00:38:40,192 when he was a homicide detective, 803 00:38:40,192 --> 00:38:42,820 he was assigned a case involving the Zodiac. 804 00:38:42,820 --> 00:38:43,863 What was your feeling once 805 00:38:43,863 --> 00:38:44,739 you got 806 00:38:44,739 --> 00:38:46,032 once you got close to him, 807 00:38:46,032 --> 00:38:48,159 did you feel strongly that he was the guy? 808 00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:48,743 I did. 809 00:38:48,743 --> 00:38:49,326 I mean, 810 00:38:49,326 --> 00:38:51,495 I had...the only... of all the people 811 00:38:51,495 --> 00:38:54,498 that I was involved in investigating Zodiac. 812 00:38:54,540 --> 00:38:57,335 He was the only one that really, 813 00:38:57,418 --> 00:38:58,919 really turned me on. 814 00:38:58,919 --> 00:38:59,670 Where is he now? 815 00:38:59,670 --> 00:39:00,880 Do you know? 816 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,174 the last I heard, he was working in 817 00:39:03,174 --> 00:39:05,509 a hardware store in Northern California. 818 00:39:05,509 --> 00:39:10,222 His name is Robert Graysmith, and this man has spent ten years 819 00:39:10,431 --> 00:39:13,726 researching the Zodiac before he wrote a book on it 820 00:39:13,726 --> 00:39:15,061 to know about Zodiac. 821 00:39:15,061 --> 00:39:20,149 Before there was a Zodiac, to us the symbol, to wear that watch 822 00:39:20,232 --> 00:39:23,903 and and to be at the crime scenes and to know the victims. 823 00:39:23,986 --> 00:39:26,489 He would have to be Zodiac. 824 00:39:26,489 --> 00:39:29,075 And there are a lot of strange theories and things. 825 00:39:29,075 --> 00:39:31,243 But if it's one man, if it's one man only. 826 00:39:31,243 --> 00:39:33,829 He liked the children's world. 827 00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:35,206 He liked kids. 828 00:39:35,206 --> 00:39:37,375 He liked to be a part of that world. 829 00:39:37,375 --> 00:39:40,711 He went a little too far with it, obviously. 830 00:39:40,795 --> 00:39:43,798 But he enjoyed children and they loved him. 831 00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:48,302 But he admitted to using the screams of a child as a sex toy. 832 00:39:48,385 --> 00:39:49,345 Yeah. Yes, he did. 833 00:39:49,345 --> 00:39:52,681 He....he said...he... he enjoyed listening 834 00:39:52,681 --> 00:39:55,976 to the screams of a child being beaten. 835 00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:58,979 as far as I can tell, Alan is the best suspect 836 00:39:58,979 --> 00:39:59,730 they come up with. 837 00:39:59,730 --> 00:40:02,733 And the heart of the Alan's choice of very specific boots 838 00:40:02,942 --> 00:40:06,737 would also add suspicion to his character in this case. 839 00:40:06,821 --> 00:40:08,405 And it was determined to be 840 00:40:08,405 --> 00:40:10,241 what was referred to as a wing walk or shoe 841 00:40:10,241 --> 00:40:13,077 that was used primarily with the Navy and the Air Force 842 00:40:13,077 --> 00:40:16,956 in maintenance duties of static free soul and the shoe. 843 00:40:17,206 --> 00:40:19,500 Our suspect wears them. 844 00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:22,503 It's not just that he's a size ten and a half. 845 00:40:22,503 --> 00:40:24,505 The shoes that were pressed into the dry 846 00:40:24,505 --> 00:40:27,508 sand at Lake Berryessa, a size ten and a half. 847 00:40:27,716 --> 00:40:30,052 There were various people over the years 848 00:40:30,052 --> 00:40:33,806 who pointed at Arthur Lee Allen more so than just 849 00:40:33,806 --> 00:40:36,809 Robert Graysmith and Dave Toschi. 850 00:40:36,851 --> 00:40:40,312 There was, of course, Cheney who said that Arthur Lee Allen 851 00:40:40,312 --> 00:40:45,401 had asked him to write and help him stamp envelopes 852 00:40:45,484 --> 00:40:49,613 where he was talking about being the Zodiac killer. 853 00:40:49,697 --> 00:40:53,451 There was Spinelli who said that he had offered services 854 00:40:53,534 --> 00:40:56,912 to do things in so far as to kill people 855 00:40:56,996 --> 00:41:00,708 or other acts of that nature for a fee. 856 00:41:02,126 --> 00:41:03,502 And the police 857 00:41:03,502 --> 00:41:07,381 were interested in him for a variety of reasons, 858 00:41:07,381 --> 00:41:10,259 especially given his background, 859 00:41:10,259 --> 00:41:13,304 the fact that he was in the area and the fact that he wore 860 00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:16,307 a watch with the Zodiac name on it 861 00:41:16,807 --> 00:41:20,227 and a few detectives went so far as to say that in reality 862 00:41:20,311 --> 00:41:22,855 he should have been looked at a lot harder 863 00:41:22,855 --> 00:41:26,192 by the investigating detectives at the time. 864 00:41:28,152 --> 00:41:29,361 Personally, I don't think Arthur Lee 865 00:41:29,361 --> 00:41:32,448 Allen looked like this sketches in any way. 866 00:41:32,448 --> 00:41:33,782 In fact, one of the sketches definitely 867 00:41:33,782 --> 00:41:37,578 looks more like me, I think, than Arthur Lee Allen. 868 00:41:37,661 --> 00:41:40,498 But that could be explained away very, very quickly. 869 00:41:40,498 --> 00:41:43,042 I look like the description passed out 870 00:41:43,042 --> 00:41:45,794 only when I do my thing. 871 00:41:45,794 --> 00:41:49,506 The rest of the time I look entirely different. 872 00:41:55,137 --> 00:41:56,847 A couple of years before 873 00:41:56,847 --> 00:42:00,518 the Lake Herman, Blue Rock Sprin and Lake Berryessa 874 00:42:00,518 --> 00:42:03,646 murders, back in 1966, there was another case 875 00:42:03,646 --> 00:42:06,774 that would eventually end up being very much tied 876 00:42:06,774 --> 00:42:07,983 to the Zodiac case, 877 00:42:07,983 --> 00:42:10,986 and that was the case that took place in Riverside. 878 00:42:10,986 --> 00:42:13,864 Sherri Jo Bates was stabbed to death, 879 00:42:13,864 --> 00:42:16,867 nearly decapitated by her killer. 880 00:42:17,034 --> 00:42:21,622 She was an athletic girl, strong girl who was able to fight back. 881 00:42:21,705 --> 00:42:25,084 Unfortunately, she couldn't fight off her killer, 882 00:42:25,167 --> 00:42:26,210 but she did manage 883 00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:30,422 to knock his wristwatch off, which was found by the police. 884 00:42:30,506 --> 00:42:33,509 And it was sputtered with white paint, which perhaps 885 00:42:33,509 --> 00:42:37,388 would allude to the job of the killer at the time. 886 00:42:38,305 --> 00:42:40,641 This was the only at the time, 887 00:42:40,641 --> 00:42:44,436 at least unsolved murder in Riverside history. 888 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,399 And six months later, the police received a letter 889 00:42:48,482 --> 00:42:51,402 from supposedly the killer 890 00:42:51,402 --> 00:42:55,739 outlining what he had done and taking credit for it. 891 00:42:55,823 --> 00:42:56,657 There was a few reasons 892 00:42:56,657 --> 00:43:00,786 why this letter would later be tied to the Zodiac, not least 893 00:43:00,869 --> 00:43:04,331 because it was signed off with the letter Z. 894 00:43:04,415 --> 00:43:05,749 But some instances in it. 895 00:43:05,749 --> 00:43:06,959 At one point in the letter 896 00:43:06,959 --> 00:43:10,170 he said, I then finish the job by cutting her throat. 897 00:43:10,254 --> 00:43:12,506 I am not sick, I am insane. 898 00:43:12,506 --> 00:43:14,591 But that will not stop the game. 899 00:43:14,591 --> 00:43:15,968 The fact that he put the game in there 900 00:43:15,968 --> 00:43:16,719 obviously was later 901 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:17,928 linked to 902 00:43:17,928 --> 00:43:20,931 the fact that he talked about ”The Dangerous Game” 903 00:43:21,056 --> 00:43:22,349 in later letters, but the 904 00:43:22,349 --> 00:43:24,768 Z was obviously the big thing that was brought up, 905 00:43:24,768 --> 00:43:28,022 but that connection wasn't made until four years later 906 00:43:28,022 --> 00:43:29,940 by Paul Avery. 907 00:43:29,940 --> 00:43:31,775 six months later. 908 00:43:31,859 --> 00:43:36,655 Other...other things that make me think that 909 00:43:36,739 --> 00:43:38,991 it's quite possibly him. 910 00:43:38,991 --> 00:43:42,077 I received a letter from an individual 911 00:43:42,077 --> 00:43:45,998 in Southern California pointing out the similarities 912 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,375 actually was an anonymous letter. 913 00:43:48,375 --> 00:43:49,793 And I. 914 00:43:49,793 --> 00:43:51,628 I felt that there might be something to it. 915 00:43:51,628 --> 00:43:54,965 So I contacted the Riverside Police. 916 00:43:55,049 --> 00:43:57,092 They were very cooperative. 917 00:43:57,092 --> 00:43:59,887 Gave me information on the phone and then sent me 918 00:43:59,887 --> 00:44:04,058 some information, Xerox copies of certain documents, 919 00:44:04,141 --> 00:44:08,687 and then they included kind of as an aside, a letter 920 00:44:08,937 --> 00:44:09,772 that had been received 921 00:44:09,772 --> 00:44:13,984 six months after the suicide girl had been killed. 922 00:44:14,068 --> 00:44:16,653 And said this might be of interest to you. 923 00:44:16,653 --> 00:44:19,031 It’s signed with a Z 924 00:44:19,031 --> 00:44:22,326 in 2016, according to, I believe, the FBI, 925 00:44:22,409 --> 00:44:25,913 someone had called in to a police department 926 00:44:25,913 --> 00:44:29,458 or somewhere and basically said that, look, that was a prank. 927 00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:30,793 I wrote that letter. 928 00:44:30,793 --> 00:44:35,339 If that is the case, it was in really, really poor taste. 929 00:44:35,422 --> 00:44:37,007 But that would essentially 930 00:44:37,007 --> 00:44:40,928 dissuade the idea that it was linked to the Zodiac in any way. 931 00:44:41,011 --> 00:44:45,516 And there was another case that very much lines up with 932 00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:49,353 similarities to the Zodiac case, and that was the 1962 933 00:44:49,353 --> 00:44:52,022 killing of Ray Davis, who was a cab driver. 934 00:44:52,022 --> 00:44:54,983 And letters also appeared after that murder. 935 00:44:54,983 --> 00:44:56,068 But personally, 936 00:44:56,068 --> 00:44:59,446 I think the Ray Davis killing was very much only linked 937 00:44:59,530 --> 00:45:03,450 to the Zodiac because of what would happen next 938 00:45:03,534 --> 00:45:06,829 in San Francisco after Lake Berryessa 939 00:45:14,169 --> 00:45:16,880 this has always been known as a city of mystery. 940 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,134 And it seems now to have a new and real one on its hands. 941 00:45:20,217 --> 00:45:21,510 Five murders, 942 00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:25,389 somebody who says he committed all and will commit yet more. 943 00:45:25,431 --> 00:45:28,308 The latest, a taxi driver in San Francisco 944 00:45:28,308 --> 00:45:33,397 came here to San Francisco to commit a deliberate murder 945 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,150 so that he might 946 00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:39,486 garner that attention that had remained so elusive. 947 00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:42,448 And with the murder of Paul Stine 948 00:45:42,448 --> 00:45:44,158 He gained that notoriety. 949 00:45:44,158 --> 00:45:47,411 Driver for Yellow Cab in San Francisco picked up a fare 950 00:45:47,494 --> 00:45:51,498 in downtown San Francisco, and some were in route to 951 00:45:51,582 --> 00:45:53,375 the Sunset District. 952 00:45:53,375 --> 00:45:57,171 The fare asked him to stop at a certain location, 953 00:45:57,171 --> 00:46:02,301 and at that time, the Zodiac killer shot the cab driver. 954 00:46:02,384 --> 00:46:06,388 This was a very different crime by the Zodiac, 955 00:46:06,472 --> 00:46:11,143 a crime that wasn't against a couple in a remote area, 956 00:46:11,226 --> 00:46:13,979 but instead in a wealthy neighborhood 957 00:46:13,979 --> 00:46:19,109 using a weapon, which was loud and could draw attention. 958 00:46:19,193 --> 00:46:21,570 A stark departure 959 00:46:21,570 --> 00:46:24,740 The description that came out over the air was of an 960 00:46:24,740 --> 00:46:29,995 NMA, Negro male adult at the time. 961 00:46:30,078 --> 00:46:33,207 The only person that could have given 962 00:46:33,207 --> 00:46:36,293 that information would have been the child 963 00:46:36,293 --> 00:46:40,088 who called it in to police dispatch. 964 00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:42,674 What did you see when you came down this road? 965 00:46:42,674 --> 00:46:45,427 My headlights 966 00:46:45,511 --> 00:46:47,137 went on to an individual who 967 00:46:47,137 --> 00:46:50,349 was walking in the shadow of the trees at the time. 968 00:46:50,432 --> 00:46:53,560 The individual I saw that night was a white male adult, 969 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,481 approximately 35-45 years of age, 970 00:46:57,564 --> 00:47:02,152 five feet, ten inches tall, 180 to 210lbs. 971 00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:05,322 Unfortunately, as I was told, 972 00:47:05,322 --> 00:47:07,199 they were looking for a black man. 973 00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:09,701 They had been given wrong information on the phone. 974 00:47:09,701 --> 00:47:11,912 Since we were looking for a Negro male adult, 975 00:47:11,912 --> 00:47:13,497 we proceeded on Jackson 976 00:47:13,497 --> 00:47:17,376 Street towards Arguello, continuing our search 977 00:47:17,459 --> 00:47:20,128 as we arrived at Arguello Street. 978 00:47:20,128 --> 00:47:21,672 The description of the suspect 979 00:47:21,672 --> 00:47:24,675 was changed to a white male adult, 980 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,262 believing that this suspect was possibly the one involved 981 00:47:28,262 --> 00:47:29,721 in the shooting. 982 00:47:29,721 --> 00:47:33,267 We entered the Presidio of San Francisco and conducted 983 00:47:33,267 --> 00:47:36,520 a search on West Pacific Avenue 984 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,023 on the opposite side of a wall in the last direction. 985 00:47:40,023 --> 00:47:45,571 that we observed the suspect but did not find the suspect. 986 00:47:45,654 --> 00:47:47,573 Police were dubious, though, 987 00:47:47,573 --> 00:47:52,160 that folk had actually seen the Zodiac killer. 988 00:47:52,244 --> 00:47:55,998 The reason being that this was a brightly lit area 989 00:47:56,081 --> 00:48:00,335 and the assailant would likely be covered in blood, 990 00:48:00,335 --> 00:48:02,170 which would have been noticeable. 991 00:48:02,170 --> 00:48:06,925 The moment the headlights focused on the killer, 992 00:48:07,009 --> 00:48:09,344 He claimed later in a letter that he had been watching 993 00:48:09,344 --> 00:48:10,470 the whole time 994 00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:14,141 finding one psychopath in this city could be a tall order. 995 00:48:14,224 --> 00:48:16,977 This latest communication from the killer who calls himself 996 00:48:16,977 --> 00:48:20,897 Zodiac adds very little substantially to the case, 997 00:48:20,981 --> 00:48:24,276 except that he may be a conservationist. 998 00:48:24,359 --> 00:48:27,863 Ed Leslie, News 13 San Francisco. 999 00:48:27,946 --> 00:48:30,657 It very much seems like he only committed this murder 1000 00:48:30,657 --> 00:48:32,200 to prove a point 1001 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,495 just to get the bloody cloth that he later sent in 1002 00:48:35,579 --> 00:48:39,541 to the newspapers from Paul Stine’s shirt. 1003 00:48:39,625 --> 00:48:42,002 Police are now convinced that it was the killer 1004 00:48:42,002 --> 00:48:45,005 of a San Francisco cab driver who sent in a swatch 1005 00:48:45,005 --> 00:48:48,759 of bloody cloth with a letter to the San Francisco Chronicle. 1006 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:53,096 And two days later, the Chronicle, 1007 00:48:53,138 --> 00:48:57,768 where I worked, then received a letter from the Zodiac. 1008 00:48:57,851 --> 00:49:00,979 The the envelope was opened. 1009 00:49:00,979 --> 00:49:03,023 It was addressed to the editor, 1010 00:49:03,023 --> 00:49:08,403 and it was like a letter to the editor and the secretary 1011 00:49:08,487 --> 00:49:13,241 who handled that correspondence opened envelope, 1012 00:49:13,325 --> 00:49:13,825 saw this 1013 00:49:13,825 --> 00:49:16,995 bloody, bloodstained shirt and read 1014 00:49:16,995 --> 00:49:20,791 the letter then rushed it in to the executives at the paper. 1015 00:49:20,874 --> 00:49:24,836 Over the next several weeks, Zodiac sends two more swatches 1016 00:49:24,836 --> 00:49:27,255 of the bloody shirt, along with letters 1017 00:49:27,255 --> 00:49:30,092 taunting the police for failing to catch him 1018 00:49:30,092 --> 00:49:33,470 and confirms that he was spotted that night. 1019 00:49:33,553 --> 00:49:36,056 All of the letters sent by the killer have been posted 1020 00:49:36,056 --> 00:49:38,058 from San Francisco, and police 1021 00:49:38,058 --> 00:49:42,020 believe the man either works or lives in the city. 1022 00:49:42,104 --> 00:49:45,565 Laboratory tests on the cloth torn from the shirt of Paul 1023 00:49:45,565 --> 00:49:46,858 Stine prove 1024 00:49:46,858 --> 00:49:47,901 that it came, in fact, 1025 00:49:47,901 --> 00:49:49,403 from the cab driver when he was murdered 1026 00:49:49,403 --> 00:49:51,863 last Saturday night in Presidio Heights. 1027 00:49:51,863 --> 00:49:55,492 And handwriting analysis of a foreboding letter indicates 1028 00:49:55,492 --> 00:49:58,412 the writer is the same man who's committed five murders. 1029 00:49:58,412 --> 00:50:00,247 One here, three in Vallejo, 1030 00:50:00,247 --> 00:50:02,874 and one in Napa over the last ten months. 1031 00:50:02,874 --> 00:50:06,962 His chilling allusions to future slayings are being counted 1032 00:50:06,962 --> 00:50:08,422 with an intense drive 1033 00:50:08,422 --> 00:50:12,008 to prevent him from fulfilling any promises. 1034 00:50:12,092 --> 00:50:14,720 Dick Carlson reporting for Newsbeat from San Francisco. 1035 00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:15,637 Hall of Justice 1036 00:50:15,637 --> 00:50:17,556 There has also since been suspicion 1037 00:50:17,556 --> 00:50:19,725 that the Zodiac could live 1038 00:50:19,725 --> 00:50:21,476 very close by, given the fact that, 1039 00:50:21,476 --> 00:50:23,395 according to one of his later letters, 1040 00:50:23,395 --> 00:50:27,274 he was watching the entire thing unfold afterwards 1041 00:50:27,357 --> 00:50:30,026 as the police were running around looking for him. 1042 00:50:30,026 --> 00:50:33,029 I enjoy needling the blue pink. 1043 00:50:33,113 --> 00:50:35,073 Hey, blue pig. 1044 00:50:35,073 --> 00:50:36,283 The dogs never came 1045 00:50:36,283 --> 00:50:40,036 within two blocks of me and they were to the west. 1046 00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,583 Motorcycles went by about 150 feet away. 1047 00:50:48,587 --> 00:50:51,381 Nearly 50 years after the first murder. 1048 00:50:51,381 --> 00:50:56,595 There was still a big push to try and break the codes. 1049 00:50:56,678 --> 00:50:57,637 They couldn't crack them. 1050 00:50:57,637 --> 00:50:59,723 The CIA had tried. The FBI had tried. 1051 00:50:59,723 --> 00:51:01,641 Various code breakers had tried. 1052 00:51:01,641 --> 00:51:03,393 They were alluded by these. 1053 00:51:03,393 --> 00:51:04,853 And these were to codes in general. 1054 00:51:04,853 --> 00:51:09,691 Z 13 because of 13 characters and likewise Z 340. 1055 00:51:09,775 --> 00:51:12,360 The Z 13 in 2017 1056 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,363 was thought to have been broken. Apparently... 1057 00:51:15,405 --> 00:51:19,951 Once the Z 13 code was broken, the shorter of the two. 1058 00:51:20,035 --> 00:51:23,705 It alleged that the name of the person was Kane 1059 00:51:23,789 --> 00:51:28,710 K.A.N.E....the FBI, though, very much had their doubts 1060 00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:32,422 about this and the accuracy of that code break. 1061 00:51:32,506 --> 00:51:34,549 And the problem with cryptography and encryption 1062 00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:35,008 and so on 1063 00:51:35,008 --> 00:51:39,054 is it's very hard to verify something with a small subset. 1064 00:51:39,054 --> 00:51:43,058 Realistically, it's much easier to verify something 1065 00:51:43,058 --> 00:51:47,270 along like the 340 code than it is with the 13 code, 1066 00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:48,522 because you don't have much 1067 00:51:48,522 --> 00:51:51,608 to compare it to to check whether the rest is gibberish. 1068 00:51:51,650 --> 00:51:53,693 So the FBI still weren't 100% 1069 00:51:53,693 --> 00:51:58,031 sure that the Kane finding was actually accurate. 1070 00:51:58,114 --> 00:51:59,783 Back in the late sixties, though, while 1071 00:51:59,783 --> 00:52:00,909 the police were still trying 1072 00:52:00,909 --> 00:52:04,412 to crack these codes and hunt the killer 1073 00:52:04,496 --> 00:52:10,252 things were going from bad to monumentally worse. 1074 00:52:13,505 --> 00:52:16,591 Schoolchildren... make fine targets. 1075 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,262 I think I shall wipe out a school bus some morning. 1076 00:52:20,345 --> 00:52:24,266 Just shoot out the front tire and then pick off the kiddies 1077 00:52:24,349 --> 00:52:26,643 as they come bouncing out. 1078 00:52:26,643 --> 00:52:29,312 That was the threat of the Zodiac killer. 1079 00:52:29,312 --> 00:52:32,065 Now, every day, police cars follow the busses, 1080 00:52:32,065 --> 00:52:33,775 which would be likely targets. 1081 00:52:33,775 --> 00:52:37,571 Officers armed with shotguns take the threat seriously. 1082 00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:41,032 Parents were obviously 1083 00:52:41,032 --> 00:52:43,952 terrified of this threat. 1084 00:52:43,952 --> 00:52:46,913 And now there was a renewed effort to find 1085 00:52:46,913 --> 00:52:51,626 this guy as quickly as possible before something horrible 1086 00:52:51,626 --> 00:52:54,504 happened to local schoolchildren 1087 00:52:54,504 --> 00:52:55,672 In San Francisco 1088 00:52:55,672 --> 00:52:58,758 We have been since the first day since the reception 1089 00:52:58,758 --> 00:53:00,176 of this note. 1090 00:53:00,176 --> 00:53:02,929 And up to now and continuing, 1091 00:53:02,929 --> 00:53:06,683 we have a number of plainclothes officers 1092 00:53:06,766 --> 00:53:10,437 following busses in the morning and in the evening. 1093 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:10,812 You know, 1094 00:53:10,812 --> 00:53:14,190 somebody shoots at your tire, don't stop, keep driving. 1095 00:53:14,274 --> 00:53:16,276 So there was a great panic. 1096 00:53:16,276 --> 00:53:18,862 As you can imagine, there was immense pressure 1097 00:53:18,862 --> 00:53:22,324 on the police to ensure that nothing happened 1098 00:53:22,407 --> 00:53:24,784 and to get on top of this as quickly as possible. 1099 00:53:24,784 --> 00:53:25,535 And I think 1100 00:53:25,535 --> 00:53:28,288 even the word immense there is probably the understatement, 1101 00:53:28,288 --> 00:53:29,539 the century. 1102 00:53:29,539 --> 00:53:32,542 The bus patrol was started first in this county Wednesday. 1103 00:53:32,751 --> 00:53:33,418 Police units 1104 00:53:33,418 --> 00:53:36,421 from various agencies using marked and unmarked cars 1105 00:53:36,421 --> 00:53:39,424 follow busses on their runs to and from schools 1106 00:53:39,549 --> 00:53:42,177 assisted by aerial patrols and some busses 1107 00:53:42,177 --> 00:53:44,429 now equipped with two way police radios. 1108 00:53:44,429 --> 00:53:46,556 The massive patrols are responses 1109 00:53:46,556 --> 00:53:50,226 to the Zodiac Killer's threat to stop a bus and shoot children. 1110 00:53:50,310 --> 00:53:52,729 The patrols are concentrated in the remote sections 1111 00:53:52,729 --> 00:53:56,274 of the county, similar to areas where five were murdered. 1112 00:53:56,358 --> 00:53:59,361 The Napa School District is the third largest in the state. 1113 00:53:59,361 --> 00:54:04,115 In bussing, its 70 busses travel more than 4000 miles a day. 1114 00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:07,035 These patrols have been expanded to several counties 1115 00:54:07,035 --> 00:54:09,663 and the highway Patrol has written guidelines 1116 00:54:09,663 --> 00:54:11,498 for bus drivers. 1117 00:54:11,498 --> 00:54:14,501 We have specifically requested that they 1118 00:54:14,501 --> 00:54:18,463 alert their drivers to not stop under any conditions 1119 00:54:18,505 --> 00:54:21,466 if a shot was fired or if their busses 1120 00:54:21,466 --> 00:54:24,135 subjected to a flat tire by the sniper. 1121 00:54:24,135 --> 00:54:26,638 Further, that they get the children down immediately 1122 00:54:26,638 --> 00:54:29,683 and proceed with all speed out of the area 1123 00:54:29,766 --> 00:54:33,269 and to try and attract 1124 00:54:33,353 --> 00:54:37,607 all the possible attention by blowing their horns 1125 00:54:37,691 --> 00:54:41,069 and therefore get out of the situation. 1126 00:54:41,152 --> 00:54:44,864 We're satisfied that it is all that can reasonably be done 1127 00:54:44,864 --> 00:54:46,116 under the circumstances 1128 00:54:46,116 --> 00:54:48,618 that might be present at the particular time, 1129 00:54:48,618 --> 00:54:49,119 giving due 1130 00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:52,998 consideration to the vast number of busses operating. 1131 00:54:53,081 --> 00:54:54,749 Have any of the drivers 1132 00:54:54,749 --> 00:54:57,752 expressed any concern over their job now? 1133 00:54:58,003 --> 00:55:00,839 Well, 1134 00:55:00,839 --> 00:55:03,049 there's naturally talk, everybody, 1135 00:55:03,049 --> 00:55:07,095 I guess, tense, about it, but they all seem to be 1136 00:55:07,095 --> 00:55:10,306 in good spirits and all seem to be going on with the job. 1137 00:55:10,348 --> 00:55:13,226 I don't know of anybody that's quit. 1138 00:55:13,226 --> 00:55:14,269 You're not afraid? 1139 00:55:14,269 --> 00:55:16,354 No. 1140 00:55:16,354 --> 00:55:19,733 Just not too afraid. 1141 00:55:19,816 --> 00:55:23,153 On top of all of this, even worse, there was then 1142 00:55:23,153 --> 00:55:28,950 a bomb threat thrown in on top of a potential sniper situation. 1143 00:55:29,034 --> 00:55:31,828 If you did not want me to have this blast, 1144 00:55:31,828 --> 00:55:33,747 you must do two things. 1145 00:55:33,747 --> 00:55:38,460 Tell everyone about the bus bomb and all the details. 1146 00:55:38,543 --> 00:55:40,879 I would like to see some nice zodiac buttons 1147 00:55:40,879 --> 00:55:42,505 wandering about town. 1148 00:55:42,505 --> 00:55:45,967 On the face of which says, I hope you enjoy yourselves. 1149 00:55:46,051 --> 00:55:47,886 When I had my blast, 1150 00:55:47,886 --> 00:55:50,555 the killer sent a diagram for an explosive device 1151 00:55:50,555 --> 00:55:52,766 that was in the hillsides around Napa. 1152 00:55:52,766 --> 00:55:54,851 And this was working on an electric system 1153 00:55:54,851 --> 00:55:55,977 where everything else could pass. 1154 00:55:55,977 --> 00:55:58,229 But a school bus would set this bomb off. 1155 00:55:58,229 --> 00:56:01,649 Bomb, as he described it to us in the past, consist of a bomb 1156 00:56:01,649 --> 00:56:04,652 planted in the street or alongside of a roadside, 1157 00:56:04,736 --> 00:56:09,157 which would be triggered when a school bus passed by. 1158 00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:11,159 He is an absolutely 1159 00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:15,914 ruthless, completely merciless killer. 1160 00:56:15,997 --> 00:56:17,624 He does not get great excitement. 1161 00:56:17,624 --> 00:56:20,460 Or is he just 1162 00:56:20,460 --> 00:56:22,670 he thinks killing is is just killing. 1163 00:56:22,670 --> 00:56:24,089 So somebody like that 1164 00:56:24,089 --> 00:56:27,842 is going to be a very serious problem for us. 1165 00:56:27,926 --> 00:56:29,260 What more do you know 1166 00:56:29,260 --> 00:56:33,014 about the killer today than you did earlier? 1167 00:56:33,098 --> 00:56:36,392 Well, we have progressed. 1168 00:56:36,476 --> 00:56:40,814 We've been able to come up with more physical evidence 1169 00:56:40,897 --> 00:56:45,693 that will be able to be used in in court. 1170 00:56:45,777 --> 00:56:47,445 What we have to do is find the suspect, 1171 00:56:47,445 --> 00:56:50,448 of course, and be able to apply those. 1172 00:56:50,490 --> 00:56:52,784 And this man is a 1173 00:56:52,784 --> 00:56:57,831 psychopath and very, very seriously 1174 00:56:57,914 --> 00:57:00,166 mentally deranged. 1175 00:57:00,166 --> 00:57:02,627 He appears to have no conscience at all, 1176 00:57:02,627 --> 00:57:07,340 no remorse after any of the acts, certainly no reason 1177 00:57:07,340 --> 00:57:12,428 or even alleged justification for anything that he does. 1178 00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:12,971 Several of 1179 00:57:12,971 --> 00:57:16,015 the shootings have occurred without a single word 1180 00:57:16,015 --> 00:57:19,018 to anybody, just merely to walk up and start shooting. 1181 00:57:19,227 --> 00:57:21,354 This man is a 1182 00:57:21,354 --> 00:57:23,815 serious problem to us. 1183 00:57:23,815 --> 00:57:28,236 He's very, very sick and very dangerous person. 1184 00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:30,446 Thankfully, though, another letter will arrive 1185 00:57:30,446 --> 00:57:31,739 and for the first time, 1186 00:57:31,739 --> 00:57:36,244 police were relieved to get a letter from the Zodiac 1187 00:57:36,327 --> 00:57:39,539 after last month's letters and the murder of a cab driver. 1188 00:57:39,622 --> 00:57:40,707 The Zodiac threatened to 1189 00:57:40,707 --> 00:57:44,586 kill children on a school bus, so bus guards were provided 1190 00:57:44,586 --> 00:57:48,089 in many Bay Area counties, including these at Napa. 1191 00:57:48,173 --> 00:57:51,176 Police say most of those precautions have been halted. 1192 00:57:51,259 --> 00:57:54,220 And now in the latest letter, the Zodiac says 1193 00:57:54,220 --> 00:57:55,263 if you cops think 1194 00:57:55,263 --> 00:57:58,266 I'm going to take on a bus, the way I stated I was. 1195 00:57:58,516 --> 00:58:01,227 You deserve to have holes in your heads. 1196 00:58:01,227 --> 00:58:03,771 Sadly, though, throughout all of this, police 1197 00:58:03,771 --> 00:58:07,859 were no closer to catching the Zodiac killer. 1198 00:58:07,942 --> 00:58:09,027 Are you confident 1199 00:58:09,027 --> 00:58:11,779 you will get him sooner or later? 1200 00:58:11,779 --> 00:58:12,864 Well, of course, that's. 1201 00:58:12,864 --> 00:58:14,991 I feel that about all the murders we're involved in. 1202 00:58:14,991 --> 00:58:17,869 I mean, that's our business and that's our job. And. 1203 00:58:17,869 --> 00:58:20,872 And that's the only way to look at it and approach it, 1204 00:58:20,872 --> 00:58:23,458 is that...Of course.... Eventually we'll get him. 1205 00:58:29,005 --> 00:58:31,257 I'm standing in front of the Vallejo home, 1206 00:58:31,257 --> 00:58:34,219 which investigators searched last Valentine's Day. 1207 00:58:34,260 --> 00:58:35,929 The home of the man police 1208 00:58:35,929 --> 00:58:39,599 have suspected off and on for the last 20 years. 1209 00:58:39,682 --> 00:58:41,392 Thousands of people have been interviewed 1210 00:58:41,392 --> 00:58:44,145 and the Zodiac bounced in and out of the news. 1211 00:58:44,145 --> 00:58:46,814 And through it all, there's been one constant. 1212 00:58:46,814 --> 00:58:48,149 Arthur Allen 1213 00:58:48,149 --> 00:58:50,818 I’m not the Zodiac Killer 1214 00:58:50,902 --> 00:58:53,404 I feel that there are so many areas 1215 00:58:53,404 --> 00:58:56,366 that point directly at Arthur Lee Allen that I feel 1216 00:58:56,366 --> 00:59:00,119 that he is a viable suspect in, in all probability, the Zodiac. 1217 00:59:00,203 --> 00:59:02,997 In 1991, there was a break in the case 1218 00:59:02,997 --> 00:59:06,000 when a tip came in to one of the case. 1219 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,336 Detectives still working on this to make things 1220 00:59:08,336 --> 00:59:10,463 even more exciting for the police. 1221 00:59:10,463 --> 00:59:12,674 Mike Mageau, one of the survivors 1222 00:59:12,674 --> 00:59:15,718 of the Zodiac killings, was able to I.D. 1223 00:59:15,718 --> 00:59:17,303 a suspect. 1224 00:59:17,303 --> 00:59:20,306 Mike Miguel was given a set of photos 1225 00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:24,936 and immediately identified within 20 seconds. 1226 00:59:25,019 --> 00:59:27,480 Arthur Lee Allen. 1227 00:59:27,563 --> 00:59:28,648 That is mine. 1228 00:59:28,648 --> 00:59:31,192 But that's my third Karman Ghia 1229 00:59:31,192 --> 00:59:32,777 Your third. Okay. 1230 00:59:32,777 --> 00:59:35,530 According to the affidavit, it unsealed by a judge late 1231 00:59:35,530 --> 00:59:38,574 this afternoon, an armed robbery suspect arrested in 1232 00:59:38,574 --> 00:59:41,828 San Jose last December told police there 1233 00:59:41,869 --> 00:59:45,873 that Arthur Allen, now 52 years old, is the infamous Zodiac. 1234 00:59:45,957 --> 00:59:47,875 That information led Vallejo police 1235 00:59:47,875 --> 00:59:50,336 to obtain a warrant and search Allen's home 1236 00:59:50,336 --> 00:59:51,838 last Valentine's Day. 1237 00:59:51,838 --> 00:59:55,300 Police were looking for specific items, 22 caliber pistols, 1238 00:59:55,300 --> 00:59:59,470 a black executioner style hood, yellow taxicab keys. 1239 00:59:59,554 --> 01:00:01,306 Without revealing everything they found. 1240 01:00:01,306 --> 01:00:04,100 I learned they did confiscate explosives. 1241 01:00:04,100 --> 01:00:05,935 Bombs exactly like those 1242 01:00:05,935 --> 01:00:08,938 the Zodiac serial killer described during his murder 1243 01:00:08,938 --> 01:00:13,026 spree in the late 1960s and early to mid 1970s. 1244 01:00:13,067 --> 01:00:14,360 Arthur Lee Allen died 1245 01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:18,489 just months after this and was never formally arrested 1246 01:00:18,531 --> 01:00:21,993 or formally a suspect in the case. 1247 01:00:22,076 --> 01:00:23,369 Since his death, though, 1248 01:00:23,369 --> 01:00:26,331 there was continued intrigue into him as a suspect. 1249 01:00:26,497 --> 01:00:29,083 And this meant that as the nineties moved on 1250 01:00:29,083 --> 01:00:33,254 and into the 2000, new DNA and forensic technology 1251 01:00:33,254 --> 01:00:37,300 allowed investigators to, with more certainty, decide 1252 01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:40,678 whether or not Allen was in fact, the right suspect 1253 01:00:40,678 --> 01:00:44,432 for the case, whether or not he was the Zodiac. 1254 01:00:44,515 --> 01:00:47,602 Police and various interested parties 1255 01:00:47,602 --> 01:00:51,189 continued to try and do DNA matches. 1256 01:00:51,272 --> 01:00:54,984 And after recovering DNA from the stamps on the letters 1257 01:00:54,984 --> 01:00:56,069 that were sent, 1258 01:00:56,069 --> 01:01:00,782 as well as taking DNA from the various pieces of evidence, 1259 01:01:00,865 --> 01:01:04,994 they could still not find a hard evidence match 1260 01:01:05,078 --> 01:01:08,456 linking this crime to Arthur Lee Allen. 1261 01:01:08,664 --> 01:01:12,335 Arthur Lee Allen did not donate the biological material 1262 01:01:12,335 --> 01:01:14,420 that was recovered from the stamp. 1263 01:01:14,420 --> 01:01:18,424 When you write, you rest the heel of your palm, 1264 01:01:18,508 --> 01:01:21,719 a very characteristic part of it on the paper 1265 01:01:21,803 --> 01:01:26,474 and people in those days weren't really aware 1266 01:01:26,557 --> 01:01:27,892 that you could 1267 01:01:27,892 --> 01:01:30,144 leave a palm print and that it could be identified. 1268 01:01:30,144 --> 01:01:32,063 They knew about fingerprints. 1269 01:01:32,063 --> 01:01:35,525 It was compared to the one that had been developed earlier 1270 01:01:35,608 --> 01:01:36,943 and they don't match. 1271 01:01:36,943 --> 01:01:39,946 That is not Arthur Allen's palm print. 1272 01:01:40,113 --> 01:01:44,158 It seems then, at least according to any hard evidence, 1273 01:01:44,158 --> 01:01:48,663 that Arthur Lee Allen did not commit the Zodiac killings. 1274 01:01:48,746 --> 01:01:51,416 It seems like the only evidence left is circumstantial 1275 01:01:51,416 --> 01:01:54,836 and under today's burden, that just wouldn't be enough, 1276 01:01:55,044 --> 01:01:58,339 given the fact that there's no DNA evidence and DNA evidence 1277 01:01:58,423 --> 01:02:00,716 from the letters and so on exists, 1278 01:02:00,716 --> 01:02:03,803 that would point to the fact that it just isn't 1279 01:02:03,803 --> 01:02:05,054 Arthur Lee Allen. 1280 01:02:05,054 --> 01:02:07,765 And during an interview here last Friday night with Channel 1281 01:02:07,765 --> 01:02:11,436 seven News, Arthur Allen claimed that he is being persecuted 1282 01:02:11,519 --> 01:02:12,937 by Vallejo police 1283 01:02:12,937 --> 01:02:15,231 And Arthur Lee Allen would go on until 1284 01:02:15,231 --> 01:02:20,653 his dying breath, adamant that he wasn't the Zodiac killer. 1285 01:02:20,736 --> 01:02:23,614 Two types of liars in the world fishermen & policemen, 1286 01:02:23,614 --> 01:02:26,033 and not necessarily in that order. 1287 01:02:26,033 --> 01:02:30,872 And their function is lying to you is to trip you up. 1288 01:02:30,955 --> 01:02:35,001 They can't do it to me because I have nothing to trip over. 1289 01:02:35,084 --> 01:02:36,836 No, I'm certainly most 1290 01:02:36,836 --> 01:02:42,550 certainly not the Zodiac killer having arrested me, 1291 01:02:42,633 --> 01:02:46,721 because they can't prove a thing. 1292 01:02:46,804 --> 01:02:49,223 I'm not the damn Zodiac. 1293 01:02:49,223 --> 01:02:51,893 Thank God for our Constitution, 1294 01:02:51,893 --> 01:02:55,354 because that says a person is innocent until proven guilty. 1295 01:02:55,438 --> 01:02:58,816 Difficult as and it can be. 1296 01:03:01,652 --> 01:03:05,198 It can be terribly depressing. 1297 01:03:05,239 --> 01:03:07,909 And if I deserved any of it, that would be 1298 01:03:07,909 --> 01:03:10,411 something different. But I don't. 1299 01:03:10,411 --> 01:03:18,336 Michael Finney, Channel seven News tonight. 1300 01:03:18,419 --> 01:03:20,213 So the issue for me personally with Arthur 1301 01:03:20,213 --> 01:03:21,839 Lee Allen is not the fact 1302 01:03:21,839 --> 01:03:23,591 that I don't think he's a good suspect. 1303 01:03:23,591 --> 01:03:27,220 He clearly is not a great person given he was charged 1304 01:03:27,220 --> 01:03:30,139 with child molestation, as far as I'm aware. 1305 01:03:30,139 --> 01:03:34,727 It's the fact that we had a living victim, a survivor 1306 01:03:34,810 --> 01:03:38,105 who was able to be used at various points to check 1307 01:03:38,189 --> 01:03:42,360 the voice of the Zodiac killer against the voice he heard. 1308 01:03:42,443 --> 01:03:43,319 And at no point, 1309 01:03:43,319 --> 01:03:47,490 as far as I'm aware, did Brian Hartnell ever point to Arthur 1310 01:03:47,490 --> 01:03:51,285 Lee Allen as sounding exactly like the man who stabbed him? 1311 01:03:51,410 --> 01:03:55,039 So that for me was the the point where 1312 01:03:55,122 --> 01:03:56,541 that for me was the indication 1313 01:03:56,541 --> 01:03:59,669 that I don't think Arthur Lee Allen did it, or at least 1314 01:03:59,669 --> 01:04:03,172 he didn't commit the Lake Berryessa stabbings. 1315 01:04:03,256 --> 01:04:04,840 But this is an even bigger problem, 1316 01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:05,716 isn't it, for the police? 1317 01:04:05,716 --> 01:04:10,179 Because if not Arthur Lee Allen after all these years, then who 1318 01:04:14,517 --> 01:04:17,728 he was the mad man who called himself the Zodiac killer? 1319 01:04:17,728 --> 01:04:20,773 And this is the surviving victim who looked him 1320 01:04:20,773 --> 01:04:24,902 straight in the eye and says she knows who the killer is. 1321 01:04:24,986 --> 01:04:29,532 Kathleen Jones was a woman that was down in central California. 1322 01:04:29,615 --> 01:04:32,034 It was late at night and left in the evening. 1323 01:04:32,034 --> 01:04:35,413 And the car behind me starting flashing its lights and 1324 01:04:35,454 --> 01:04:36,747 bright and dim 1325 01:04:36,747 --> 01:04:39,709 and the car pulled up behind me and the guy got out 1326 01:04:39,709 --> 01:04:41,335 and said my back 1327 01:04:41,335 --> 01:04:44,338 Wheel was wobbly It’s not 1328 01:04:44,338 --> 01:04:46,007 on good 1329 01:04:46,007 --> 01:04:49,677 The man pulled up beside her car told her that there 1330 01:04:49,677 --> 01:04:51,429 was an issue with her wheel. 1331 01:04:51,429 --> 01:04:53,306 that it was about to fall off 1332 01:04:53,306 --> 01:04:56,726 and that she and her child should get in the car with him 1333 01:04:56,809 --> 01:04:58,436 When we would come to any kind of stop 1334 01:04:58,436 --> 01:05:01,188 sign, he would slow down. But he didn't stop. 1335 01:05:01,188 --> 01:05:03,816 So I jumped finally 1336 01:05:03,899 --> 01:05:06,027 saw a man in the field. 1337 01:05:06,027 --> 01:05:07,528 Just wait and see what happens. 1338 01:05:07,528 --> 01:05:11,198 No, he could have stopped at any time and physically 1339 01:05:11,282 --> 01:05:12,658 been stronger than I was. 1340 01:05:12,658 --> 01:05:13,534 I was like 1341 01:05:13,534 --> 01:05:16,329 seven months pregnant and I had the little kid on my lap. 1342 01:05:16,329 --> 01:05:20,875 She was seven months pregnant with an infant child in her arms 1343 01:05:20,875 --> 01:05:24,587 and managed to jump from the car 1344 01:05:24,670 --> 01:05:27,673 and survive 1345 01:05:27,673 --> 01:05:28,758 while it was moving. 1346 01:05:28,758 --> 01:05:31,677 Terrifying stuff. 1347 01:05:31,677 --> 01:05:34,972 But now one determined cop says he knows 1348 01:05:34,972 --> 01:05:37,975 exactly who the killer is and where he's hiding. 1349 01:05:38,225 --> 01:05:40,728 Doug Buckner has the story. 1350 01:05:40,728 --> 01:05:44,231 She did offer up a clue to the investigators, though, 1351 01:05:44,315 --> 01:05:46,859 a very, very interesting one. 1352 01:05:46,859 --> 01:05:48,986 He says it's her eyewitness account 1353 01:05:48,986 --> 01:05:52,239 that proves the suspect is, in fact, the Zodiac. 1354 01:05:52,323 --> 01:05:55,993 Detective Harvey Hinds of Echelon says his analysis 1355 01:05:55,993 --> 01:06:00,414 of these cryptic symbols reveals the Zodiac name is Cain. 1356 01:06:00,498 --> 01:06:02,208 We also have another clue. 1357 01:06:02,208 --> 01:06:05,294 He installed another clue in the in the cryptogram. 1358 01:06:05,419 --> 01:06:07,630 It reads, Name Cain or name. 1359 01:06:07,630 --> 01:06:08,339 Cain's here. 1360 01:06:08,339 --> 01:06:11,008 And he reading from right to left. 1361 01:06:11,008 --> 01:06:14,470 She saw him and put her finger down on the picture and said 1362 01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:16,013 that was him. 1363 01:06:16,013 --> 01:06:19,016 And she said, it's not only my eye is telling me 1364 01:06:19,016 --> 01:06:21,060 it's my stomach, too. 1365 01:06:21,060 --> 01:06:24,021 Indeed, there is a man who used the name Cain, 1366 01:06:24,105 --> 01:06:27,858 who has a criminal record, who was born in 1924. 1367 01:06:27,942 --> 01:06:29,568 He's an ex mental patient 1368 01:06:29,568 --> 01:06:32,947 who fits the profile of the Zodiac killer. 1369 01:06:33,030 --> 01:06:34,699 The man called Cain now lives 1370 01:06:34,699 --> 01:06:38,536 in rural northern California, but he hasn't been arrested. 1371 01:06:38,619 --> 01:06:42,248 Later, he would be linked to another crime where Donna Lass 1372 01:06:42,331 --> 01:06:44,959 an employee in a hotel where Cain worked in Lake 1373 01:06:44,959 --> 01:06:48,003 Tahoe, went missing and was never seen again. 1374 01:06:48,003 --> 01:06:50,214 And she was seen last in that area 1375 01:06:50,214 --> 01:06:53,759 And a postcard supposedly from Zodiac, was sent later 1376 01:06:53,759 --> 01:06:58,472 on from that area, from Forest Pines. 1377 01:06:58,556 --> 01:07:00,933 The limit of my knowledge about the girl at Lake Tahoe, 1378 01:07:00,933 --> 01:07:02,601 and we discussed that at the time 1379 01:07:02,601 --> 01:07:06,230 that we were talking during the investigation of Benelli. 1380 01:07:06,313 --> 01:07:06,772 Appears that 1381 01:07:06,772 --> 01:07:10,860 She was a nurse, that she got off duty at a casino up there. 1382 01:07:10,943 --> 01:07:14,613 And ostensibly, that's the last time anybody saw her. 1383 01:07:14,697 --> 01:07:18,409 And the similarity between that and Judith Acaree that Ms. 1384 01:07:18,409 --> 01:07:20,619 Acaree was a nurse and 1385 01:07:20,661 --> 01:07:22,246 within reason, she got off duty. 1386 01:07:22,246 --> 01:07:25,040 She was followed by a fellow employee to a certain, 1387 01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,626 you know, location. And she was never seen again. 1388 01:07:27,626 --> 01:07:29,336 I understand there was also a similarity 1389 01:07:29,336 --> 01:07:31,797 in the way the parked cars were found. 1390 01:07:31,797 --> 01:07:36,135 The car and again, the girl in Lake Tahoe was apparently found. 1391 01:07:36,135 --> 01:07:37,678 And I just learned that today. 1392 01:07:37,678 --> 01:07:39,263 It was apparently found in her parking 1393 01:07:39,263 --> 01:07:41,474 stall in front of her apartment or her cabin 1394 01:07:41,474 --> 01:07:44,226 or wherever she her place of residence was. 1395 01:07:44,226 --> 01:07:47,772 And Ms. Acaree’s automobile was found 1396 01:07:47,855 --> 01:07:51,275 in its parking spot in front of her apartment. 1397 01:07:51,358 --> 01:07:53,736 And there is a link between the Riverside case 1398 01:07:53,736 --> 01:07:55,237 and the Kathleen Johns case. 1399 01:07:55,237 --> 01:07:57,531 And that is the fact that in the Riverside case, 1400 01:07:57,531 --> 01:08:01,285 the killer did actually disable her Volkswagen Beetle 1401 01:08:01,285 --> 01:08:03,412 by removing the distributor coil 1402 01:08:03,412 --> 01:08:05,664 and the condenser so that the car wouldn't start. 1403 01:08:05,664 --> 01:08:06,123 And then, 1404 01:08:06,123 --> 01:08:09,210 according to a later letter, if it is to be believed 1405 01:08:09,210 --> 01:08:10,836 and according to police in general, 1406 01:08:10,836 --> 01:08:14,924 it seems likely that the killer offered her help to get to 1407 01:08:14,924 --> 01:08:15,800 wherever she was going. 1408 01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:17,343 And that's how we got her in the car. 1409 01:08:17,343 --> 01:08:19,678 And this was similar to the Kathleen Jones case 1410 01:08:19,678 --> 01:08:21,972 where he decided to help with the wheel 1411 01:08:21,972 --> 01:08:23,933 but then went and loosened the wheel. 1412 01:08:23,933 --> 01:08:26,936 There was never enough evidence, though, to either tie 1413 01:08:27,186 --> 01:08:30,272 to Zodiac or on Cain in general. 1414 01:08:30,523 --> 01:08:34,735 And Cain was never treated as a official police suspect of 1415 01:08:34,735 --> 01:08:36,946 the case In either situation. 1416 01:08:43,327 --> 01:08:44,787 One of the most bizarre 1417 01:08:44,787 --> 01:08:47,790 parts of this case, though, is definitely that call in show 1418 01:08:47,957 --> 01:08:52,878 Zodiac, a symbol that now stands for terror in San Francisco. 1419 01:08:52,962 --> 01:08:54,839 Today, there was a possibly significant 1420 01:08:54,839 --> 01:08:56,757 development in the terrifying case 1421 01:08:56,757 --> 01:08:59,093 of the man who calls himself Zodiac. 1422 01:08:59,093 --> 01:09:02,847 Inspector, attorney Melvin Belli’s office said it 1423 01:09:02,847 --> 01:09:06,433 has been contacted by a person claiming to be the Zodiac. 1424 01:09:06,475 --> 01:09:08,310 Have you been able to verify 1425 01:09:08,310 --> 01:09:11,564 that the letter received by his office is authentic? 1426 01:09:11,564 --> 01:09:12,064 Yes. 1427 01:09:12,231 --> 01:09:15,067 We have, this has been done by our crime lab. 1428 01:09:15,067 --> 01:09:18,112 Basically, it was a letter written to Mr. 1429 01:09:18,112 --> 01:09:19,989 Belli, which was a personal type letter. 1430 01:09:19,989 --> 01:09:21,532 And again, 1431 01:09:21,532 --> 01:09:23,158 at this point of the investigation, 1432 01:09:23,158 --> 01:09:27,037 I would not want to comment on the particular details 1433 01:09:27,037 --> 01:09:28,539 of the contents of this letter. 1434 01:09:28,539 --> 01:09:31,292 This bizarre situation began at 2:00 this morning 1435 01:09:31,292 --> 01:09:34,295 when the so-called Zodiac telephoned police headquarters. 1436 01:09:34,336 --> 01:09:36,088 He said he was sick, he needed help 1437 01:09:36,088 --> 01:09:39,675 and he wanted to talk to Belli on television. 1438 01:09:39,758 --> 01:09:40,885 All of a scheduled guests 1439 01:09:40,885 --> 01:09:44,346 were canceled from the show on the ABC station KGO. 1440 01:09:44,430 --> 01:09:47,266 Belli waited for Zodiac to call on the private line. 1441 01:09:47,266 --> 01:09:48,976 The phone was not tapped. 1442 01:09:48,976 --> 01:09:51,145 The killer telephone 12 times. 1443 01:09:51,145 --> 01:09:51,854 He spoke very 1444 01:09:51,854 --> 01:09:55,024 little with attorney Belli, trying to draw him out of that. 1445 01:09:55,107 --> 01:09:58,819 Just tell us what’s going on inside you right now. 1446 01:09:58,903 --> 01:10:01,030 I have a headache. 1447 01:10:01,030 --> 01:10:02,615 There Was one moment when he talked about 1448 01:10:02,615 --> 01:10:04,867 killing kids that I still remember with. 1449 01:10:04,867 --> 01:10:05,618 a shiver. 1450 01:10:05,618 --> 01:10:07,870 I wanna kill those kid 1451 01:10:08,078 --> 01:10:13,042 He calls back 11 time 1452 01:10:13,125 --> 01:10:15,252 how long 1453 01:10:15,252 --> 01:10:18,255 have you had those headaches... Sam? 1454 01:10:18,464 --> 01:10:20,549 Been a long time? 1455 01:10:20,549 --> 01:10:23,427 Since I killed a kid. 1456 01:10:23,427 --> 01:10:26,013 Just tell us what's going inside you right now. 1457 01:10:26,013 --> 01:10:29,433 I have a headaches. 1458 01:10:29,516 --> 01:10:30,476 Right 1459 01:10:30,476 --> 01:10:33,687 Were you in service that you might have had an injury? 1460 01:10:33,687 --> 01:10:35,064 In Service? Did you ever fall 1461 01:10:35,064 --> 01:10:39,360 out of a tree or downstairs or become unconscious 1462 01:10:39,443 --> 01:10:40,319 I don't know. 1463 01:10:40,319 --> 01:10:42,863 You don't remember, 1464 01:10:42,863 --> 01:10:44,239 So no one knows yet. 1465 01:10:44,239 --> 01:10:47,242 If they had the Zodiac killer on the phone, 1466 01:10:47,326 --> 01:10:49,995 they'll have witnesses listen to a tape of the broadcast 1467 01:10:49,995 --> 01:10:51,538 to determine that. 1468 01:10:51,538 --> 01:10:52,414 But it seems 1469 01:10:52,414 --> 01:10:55,459 a solution to the five Zodiac murders is just 1470 01:10:55,459 --> 01:10:58,462 as far away as it was before. 1471 01:10:58,587 --> 01:11:01,840 Spencer Michaels, Casey RA News, San Francisco. 1472 01:11:01,924 --> 01:11:05,678 The Supposed Zodiac afterwards even offered to meet up, 1473 01:11:05,719 --> 01:11:07,513 but never showed. 1474 01:11:07,513 --> 01:11:10,432 Belli, I finally arranged to meet Zodiac in Daly 1475 01:11:10,432 --> 01:11:13,477 City, a suburb south of San Francisco, to talk in person. 1476 01:11:13,519 --> 01:11:14,478 The attorney waited in 1477 01:11:14,478 --> 01:11:17,481 an office building, but Zodiac never showed. 1478 01:11:17,564 --> 01:11:18,232 I asked Belli 1479 01:11:18,232 --> 01:11:21,485 if he thought the man who called really was the Zodiac killer. 1480 01:11:21,694 --> 01:11:24,446 I can’t. Negative, I can't say. 1481 01:11:24,446 --> 01:11:26,448 All I can say is this man needed help. 1482 01:11:26,448 --> 01:11:29,576 This man seemed like a man who was coming up to a storm or 1483 01:11:29,576 --> 01:11:33,372 to a climax, this very blood curdling thing. 1484 01:11:33,580 --> 01:11:34,707 Children kill. 1485 01:11:34,707 --> 01:11:38,585 And then sort of an agonized cut off, enough to turn your 1486 01:11:38,585 --> 01:11:40,504 hair whiter than mine. 1487 01:11:40,587 --> 01:11:42,506 So inside the thrift 1488 01:11:42,506 --> 01:11:44,842 Saint Vincent de Paul, attorney Melvin Belli 1489 01:11:44,842 --> 01:11:47,845 and the San Francisco police waited for the Zodiac killer. 1490 01:11:47,970 --> 01:11:49,346 The man did not show. 1491 01:11:49,346 --> 01:11:50,931 So now all we can do is wait. 1492 01:11:50,931 --> 01:11:53,976 Perhaps that next phone call from the man who calls himself 1493 01:11:54,018 --> 01:11:58,022 Zodiac who has killed five says he's going to kill again. 1494 01:11:58,105 --> 01:12:01,317 Dick Shoemaker, ABC News, San Francisco. 1495 01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:02,359 Nothing came of that. 1496 01:12:02,359 --> 01:12:06,238 We went out to the location where the meet was to have been. 1497 01:12:06,322 --> 01:12:07,489 Mr. Belli was out there. 1498 01:12:07,489 --> 01:12:09,867 Mr. Dunbar was out there 1499 01:12:09,867 --> 01:12:11,660 and nobody appeared. 1500 01:12:11,660 --> 01:12:13,078 Could you tell us where that was? 1501 01:12:13,078 --> 01:12:15,706 That was in the a little out of San Francisco 1502 01:12:15,706 --> 01:12:18,709 in the outer end of the Mission District, 1503 01:12:18,751 --> 01:12:20,878 Do you think he reall the Zodiac? 1504 01:12:20,878 --> 01:12:23,005 Not necessarily. 1505 01:12:23,005 --> 01:12:25,382 I listen to the program. My opinion my. 1506 01:12:25,382 --> 01:12:28,385 For what it's worth, my my opinion is that 1507 01:12:28,385 --> 01:12:31,805 this is no hoax or no prankster. 1508 01:12:31,889 --> 01:12:34,683 The man on that show, I sincerely believe, 1509 01:12:34,683 --> 01:12:35,517 has a problem, 1510 01:12:35,517 --> 01:12:38,479 has a mental problem, but he may or may not have been 1511 01:12:38,729 --> 01:12:40,606 the so-called Zodiac. 1512 01:12:43,275 --> 01:12:46,820 I hope you're having lots of fun in trying to catch me. 1513 01:12:46,820 --> 01:12:48,655 That's part of the chilling taunt 1514 01:12:48,655 --> 01:12:51,658 from one of the Bay Area's most notorious serial killers. 1515 01:12:51,700 --> 01:12:54,578 Now decoded after 51 years, 1516 01:12:54,578 --> 01:12:57,873 a major break in the case came in 2021 1517 01:12:57,956 --> 01:13:01,710 when these 340 cipher was finally cracked. 1518 01:13:01,794 --> 01:13:04,588 This major development in the case comes decades 1519 01:13:04,588 --> 01:13:06,298 after that coded message was sent 1520 01:13:06,298 --> 01:13:09,802 to the San Francisco Chronicle in November of 1969, 1521 01:13:09,802 --> 01:13:12,471 and many hope it will help identify the serial killer. 1522 01:13:12,471 --> 01:13:15,849 A coded 340 character message sent to the San Francisco 1523 01:13:15,849 --> 01:13:18,769 Chronicle from the infamous Zodiac killer of the 1960s 1524 01:13:18,769 --> 01:13:21,146 cracked by a group of amateur code breakers. 1525 01:13:21,146 --> 01:13:23,607 In a statement, the bureau said the FBI is aware 1526 01:13:23,607 --> 01:13:25,651 that a cipher attributed to the Zodiac Killer 1527 01:13:25,651 --> 01:13:27,820 was recently solved by private citizens. 1528 01:13:27,820 --> 01:13:31,740 We we tried several hundred thousand incorrect 1529 01:13:31,824 --> 01:13:32,950 of solving the cipher. 1530 01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:36,829 And just by chance, we happened to sort of stumble 1531 01:13:36,829 --> 01:13:39,331 upon a fragment of of how it could be solved. 1532 01:13:39,331 --> 01:13:42,292 And using that fragment, we reverse engineered 1533 01:13:42,292 --> 01:13:43,877 the entire solution 1534 01:13:43,877 --> 01:13:47,589 and got the entire message out from the Zodiac. 1535 01:13:47,673 --> 01:13:52,052 Sadly, though, there was no name to be found in this cipher. 1536 01:13:52,136 --> 01:13:53,971 Fagen said there had been hope that the killer 1537 01:13:53,971 --> 01:13:56,807 would reveal his identity in one of his coded messages. 1538 01:13:56,807 --> 01:13:58,809 This one didn't do the trick. 1539 01:13:58,809 --> 01:14:00,602 It doesn't reveal his identity. 1540 01:14:00,602 --> 01:14:03,272 It doesn't give a lot clues to his identity. 1541 01:14:03,272 --> 01:14:06,984 I think more what it does is the the method 1542 01:14:06,984 --> 01:14:10,863 that he was able to use to create that that cipher 1543 01:14:10,946 --> 01:14:15,200 may help us track down who he is that the Zodiac was encrypting 1544 01:14:15,409 --> 01:14:17,369 is replaced with multiple symbols. 1545 01:14:17,369 --> 01:14:21,290 It did, though, confirm what Brian Cardinal had said 1546 01:14:21,290 --> 01:14:24,460 years and years ago that the voice who called in 1547 01:14:24,460 --> 01:14:28,005 to the Jim Dunbar show wasn't in fact the killer. 1548 01:14:28,088 --> 01:14:33,010 And in the cipher it said it wasn't me on the TV show. 1549 01:14:33,093 --> 01:14:35,304 At one point in time, I was asked to go down 1550 01:14:35,304 --> 01:14:38,056 and listen to a tape of an interview 1551 01:14:38,056 --> 01:14:39,933 that had been on the Jim Dunbar Show. 1552 01:14:39,933 --> 01:14:45,063 Hartnell was asked to come to the Jim Dunbar Show studio 1553 01:14:45,314 --> 01:14:49,610 and listen to the recordings of the events of that day 1554 01:14:49,860 --> 01:14:52,613 and said that it wasn't anywhere near 1555 01:14:52,613 --> 01:14:55,616 what he had heard on the day of his attack 1556 01:14:55,699 --> 01:14:57,201 and that the cadence wasn't 1557 01:14:57,201 --> 01:14:59,578 even close and that he didn't believe 1558 01:14:59,578 --> 01:15:03,707 that man on the phone was the man who had attacked them. 1559 01:15:08,003 --> 01:15:10,881 After no new letters, contact or information 1560 01:15:10,881 --> 01:15:15,010 since 1974, police finally got another break in the case 1561 01:15:15,052 --> 01:15:19,806 with a letter sent in by the supposed Zodiac in 1978. 1562 01:15:19,890 --> 01:15:21,391 This letter from the Zodiac poses 1563 01:15:21,391 --> 01:15:23,060 more questions than it answers. 1564 01:15:23,060 --> 01:15:25,103 Questions like Why is he only communicated 1565 01:15:25,103 --> 01:15:26,730 twice in the past nine years. 1566 01:15:26,730 --> 01:15:28,523 Has he killed in that time? 1567 01:15:28,523 --> 01:15:30,234 No clues in the latest letter. 1568 01:15:30,234 --> 01:15:31,318 But more importantly, 1569 01:15:31,318 --> 01:15:34,112 who is the Zodiac and where is he? 1570 01:15:34,112 --> 01:15:37,115 Every time the Zodiac would send us a letter. 1571 01:15:37,157 --> 01:15:39,284 We were spurred on because we gleaned 1572 01:15:39,284 --> 01:15:41,328 a little bit of intelligence information 1573 01:15:41,328 --> 01:15:43,622 out of every letter that he sent us. 1574 01:15:43,622 --> 01:15:46,917 And we just hope that we can latch onto one 1575 01:15:46,917 --> 01:15:50,837 little thing that might might lead us to the Zodiac killer. 1576 01:15:50,837 --> 01:15:54,758 We knew an awful lot about this this killer. 1577 01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:59,054 But in 1978, April 25th, I believe, 1578 01:15:59,137 --> 01:16:02,432 we got a letter that says, I am back with you. 1579 01:16:02,516 --> 01:16:03,892 I've never been anywhere else. 1580 01:16:03,892 --> 01:16:05,394 You know, I've been with you all this time. 1581 01:16:05,394 --> 01:16:07,521 San Francisco police displayed a blackboard 1582 01:16:07,521 --> 01:16:09,398 with excerpts of the latest Zodiac letter. 1583 01:16:09,398 --> 01:16:11,149 At a news conference last night, 1584 01:16:11,149 --> 01:16:13,235 police are convinced it is authentic. 1585 01:16:13,235 --> 01:16:16,071 Deputy San Francisco Police Chief Glenn D'Amico said 1586 01:16:16,071 --> 01:16:18,824 it's the 16th letter received from the Zodiac killer. 1587 01:16:18,824 --> 01:16:21,743 However, there was more to this 1978 1588 01:16:21,743 --> 01:16:23,912 letter than meets the eye 1589 01:16:23,912 --> 01:16:25,247 towards the end. 1590 01:16:25,330 --> 01:16:26,331 I don't know 1591 01:16:26,331 --> 01:16:28,375 we're getting some some letters that 1592 01:16:28,375 --> 01:16:32,045 turned out not to be authentic Zodiac letters and 1593 01:16:32,129 --> 01:16:34,423 and I believe the last time we heard from them 1594 01:16:34,423 --> 01:16:37,968 with an authenticated letter was in April of 1974. 1595 01:16:38,051 --> 01:16:40,387 For the first time since the Zodiac case began 1596 01:16:40,387 --> 01:16:43,640 nine years ago, Inspector Toschi is out of it. 1597 01:16:43,724 --> 01:16:46,393 Toschi is under fire for writing phony fan letters 1598 01:16:46,393 --> 01:16:49,896 about himself to a newspaper feature writer Armistead Maupin. 1599 01:16:49,980 --> 01:16:52,941 And Maupin today came up with far more serious charges 1600 01:16:52,983 --> 01:16:54,818 that there are similarities between the letters 1601 01:16:54,818 --> 01:16:56,695 Toschi admits writing to Maupin 1602 01:16:56,695 --> 01:16:59,698 and the most recent Zodiac letter of last April. 1603 01:16:59,698 --> 01:17:00,741 And that was it. 1604 01:17:00,741 --> 01:17:06,413 Toschi was off the case and close to losing his career 1605 01:17:06,496 --> 01:17:09,666 after being one of the most famous detectives 1606 01:17:09,750 --> 01:17:11,460 only a decade earlier. 1607 01:17:11,460 --> 01:17:13,712 Toschi admits writing the fan letters to Maupin, 1608 01:17:13,712 --> 01:17:14,963 but vigorously denies 1609 01:17:14,963 --> 01:17:16,298 having anything to do with the letters 1610 01:17:16,298 --> 01:17:19,092 purporting to come from the killer known as Zodiac. 1611 01:17:19,092 --> 01:17:21,845 Toschi was low profile at the Hall of Justice today. 1612 01:17:21,845 --> 01:17:23,972 He had been officially reprimanded over the fan letters 1613 01:17:23,972 --> 01:17:25,974 by being transferred from the homicide detail 1614 01:17:25,974 --> 01:17:27,601 to the pawn shop detail, 1615 01:17:27,601 --> 01:17:30,437 and an official investigation is underway on any connection 1616 01:17:30,437 --> 01:17:32,564 he might have with the Zodiac letters. 1617 01:17:32,564 --> 01:17:34,232 Thus far, the experts can't agree 1618 01:17:34,232 --> 01:17:36,860 on the authenticity of the last letter from the Zodiac. 1619 01:17:36,860 --> 01:17:38,695 Right now, Toschi has admitted to nothing 1620 01:17:38,695 --> 01:17:41,406 more than being guilty of an indiscretion. 1621 01:17:46,078 --> 01:17:48,747 As technology moved forward, 1622 01:17:48,747 --> 01:17:51,750 the case continued on in the background 1623 01:17:51,917 --> 01:17:56,254 and investigators struggled to find more on more evidence. 1624 01:17:56,338 --> 01:17:57,089 Thankfully, though, 1625 01:17:57,089 --> 01:18:01,301 technology also got better and they had more DNA out there 1626 01:18:01,385 --> 01:18:04,137 to either put more pressure on certain suspects 1627 01:18:04,137 --> 01:18:07,349 or completely clear them from their list. 1628 01:18:07,432 --> 01:18:11,061 Careful as he was, it's unlikely that 33 ago 1629 01:18:11,269 --> 01:18:14,898 Zodiac would worry about leaving behind a genetic trail. 1630 01:18:15,065 --> 01:18:18,777 Could this tiny strand bare Zodiac's DNA fingerprint? 1631 01:18:18,860 --> 01:18:20,070 She examines it. 1632 01:18:20,070 --> 01:18:23,031 But again, no luck. 1633 01:18:23,031 --> 01:18:25,492 From all of your investigations, what can you tell us 1634 01:18:25,492 --> 01:18:28,787 about the Zodiac? 1635 01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:30,956 Not a great deal. 1636 01:18:30,956 --> 01:18:35,252 He's not an unintelligent man by a long shot. 1637 01:18:35,335 --> 01:18:40,090 His paragraph in his phrasing, his punctuation is very good. 1638 01:18:40,132 --> 01:18:44,010 I'm sure he has deliberately misspelled words in the attempt 1639 01:18:44,010 --> 01:18:48,014 to lead us to believe that he's illiterate. But 1640 01:18:48,098 --> 01:18:49,099 in so doing. 1641 01:18:49,099 --> 01:18:50,600 Why he’s... 1642 01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,603 led us to thepoint that we believe just the opposite. 1643 01:18:53,854 --> 01:18:58,108 And I think that after the Golden State killer was caught 1644 01:18:58,191 --> 01:19:03,488 in 2021, investigators had more hope than ever 1645 01:19:03,572 --> 01:19:06,950 that they could potentially do the same thing with Zodiac 1646 01:19:07,033 --> 01:19:08,869 and catch him while he was alive. 1647 01:19:08,869 --> 01:19:10,036 That bombshell arrest, 1648 01:19:10,036 --> 01:19:12,205 that former police officer who authorities say 1649 01:19:12,205 --> 01:19:14,875 went on a reign of terror for so many years. 1650 01:19:14,875 --> 01:19:17,419 The numbers, as I mentioned, are simply staggering at. 1651 01:19:17,419 --> 01:19:20,338 Least 12 murders, 45 rapes. 1652 01:19:20,338 --> 01:19:21,423 They say this is their man, 1653 01:19:21,423 --> 01:19:24,468 Joseph D'Angelo, now 72, arrested outside his home. 1654 01:19:24,468 --> 01:19:25,802 They surprised him. 1655 01:19:25,802 --> 01:19:28,263 He spent years as a California police officer. 1656 01:19:28,263 --> 01:19:29,598 He'd been married. 1657 01:19:29,598 --> 01:19:32,392 Law enforcement now identifying 72 year old 1658 01:19:32,392 --> 01:19:35,645 Joseph James D'Angelo as the Golden State killer. 1659 01:19:35,896 --> 01:19:38,648 But D'Angelo, not a suspect until days ago 1660 01:19:38,648 --> 01:19:41,067 when they got a break. They say cutting edge 1661 01:19:41,067 --> 01:19:44,029 DNA testing allowed them to make a match. 1662 01:19:44,154 --> 01:19:48,283 Now, though, in 2023, as each year passes by, becomes 1663 01:19:48,366 --> 01:19:52,996 less and less likely that they'll catch this man alive. 1664 01:19:57,083 --> 01:19:59,211 There may now be a break in this case, though. 1665 01:19:59,211 --> 01:20:00,712 A nonprofit group claims 1666 01:20:00,712 --> 01:20:03,381 that it has identified the Zodiac killer. 1667 01:20:03,381 --> 01:20:06,927 A group of Independent cold case investigators claims 1668 01:20:06,927 --> 01:20:07,969 they have solved 1669 01:20:07,969 --> 01:20:11,348 the more than 50 year old mystery of the Zodiac killer. 1670 01:20:11,556 --> 01:20:15,101 It is made up of former FBI agents, military officials 1671 01:20:15,101 --> 01:20:18,021 and forensic investigators from all across the country. 1672 01:20:18,021 --> 01:20:21,900 And they say they're confident they have solved this mystery. 1673 01:20:21,983 --> 01:20:25,529 The case now, though, might finally be closer 1674 01:20:25,529 --> 01:20:29,407 to being solved than it ever has before. 1675 01:20:29,449 --> 01:20:32,410 By going to the library that simple and going through 1676 01:20:32,410 --> 01:20:35,789 Bay Area phonebooks that put him in the Bay Area 1677 01:20:35,789 --> 01:20:38,542 at the right times and there was just no way 1678 01:20:38,542 --> 01:20:40,794 you could get around it that it wasn't this person. 1679 01:20:40,794 --> 01:20:42,963 Everything matched up, including stuff 1680 01:20:42,963 --> 01:20:44,798 that wasn't public, that we had kind of found 1681 01:20:44,798 --> 01:20:45,507 and talked 1682 01:20:45,507 --> 01:20:47,968 the long unsolved Zodiac killer case 1683 01:20:48,134 --> 01:20:49,678 and a high profile announcement. 1684 01:20:49,678 --> 01:20:52,764 We're putting a name to the suspect's face. It's 1685 01:20:52,764 --> 01:20:56,268 no surprise for this Sacramento investigator and attorney. 1686 01:20:56,518 --> 01:20:57,394 The group says Post 1687 01:20:57,394 --> 01:20:59,396 had scars on his forehead from a car crash 1688 01:20:59,396 --> 01:21:01,565 that matched scars on a sketch of the Zodiac. 1689 01:21:01,565 --> 01:21:03,233 That is irrefutable. 1690 01:21:03,233 --> 01:21:05,151 That Is a mark. That's the same. 1691 01:21:05,151 --> 01:21:08,363 It's on him all the way to his death at 80 years old. 1692 01:21:08,405 --> 01:21:11,575 The case breakers point to Gary Post, an Air Force 1693 01:21:11,575 --> 01:21:14,911 veteran and house painter who died in 2018. 1694 01:21:14,995 --> 01:21:17,664 We have six people that he told 1695 01:21:17,664 --> 01:21:21,084 towards his last years that he was the Zodiac. 1696 01:21:21,167 --> 01:21:23,169 The group says evidence like a shoe 1697 01:21:23,169 --> 01:21:27,090 match, court affidavits matching facial features and a clue 1698 01:21:27,090 --> 01:21:31,595 that the killer hid his name in those ciphers proves their I.D. 1699 01:21:31,678 --> 01:21:33,179 His name is Post. 1700 01:21:33,179 --> 01:21:35,682 He ended it with the stamp 1701 01:21:35,682 --> 01:21:38,685 and they couldn't figure out his last name. 1702 01:21:38,685 --> 01:21:41,479 He cleverly used the postal markings 1703 01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:45,233 as Gary Francis...stamp...Poste. 1704 01:21:45,317 --> 01:21:48,028 And it's more than just this little riddle 1705 01:21:48,028 --> 01:21:50,989 or the code that was sent to the San Francisco Chronicle. 1706 01:21:51,072 --> 01:21:54,576 They have the scars apparently on Poste 1707 01:21:54,576 --> 01:21:58,496 forehead that match that drawing of the Zodiac killer. 1708 01:21:58,705 --> 01:22:02,000 And they've even gone so far as to interview Poste’s neighbor 1709 01:22:02,250 --> 01:22:06,963 who says that she believed that Poste was the Zodiac killer 1710 01:22:07,005 --> 01:22:08,798 So they've done an outstanding job. 1711 01:22:08,798 --> 01:22:10,050 And it's interesting at first. 1712 01:22:10,050 --> 01:22:11,593 Obviously, we dealt with Bob Durst 1713 01:22:11,593 --> 01:22:15,597 after years and now more than 50 years, 1714 01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:18,391 we're getting close to identifying the Zodiac killer. 1715 01:22:18,391 --> 01:22:21,728 Obviously, he's passed if it is Poste. 1716 01:22:21,978 --> 01:22:25,357 He's not going to face the same justice that Bob Durst. 1717 01:22:25,440 --> 01:22:26,399 It's a good feeling. 1718 01:22:26,399 --> 01:22:29,569 But there was a bit of, you know, sadness to it 1719 01:22:29,569 --> 01:22:31,321 that we actually when he was still alive, 1720 01:22:31,321 --> 01:22:34,240 we're talking to individuals in law enforcement about, 1721 01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:35,825 you know, we were confident it was him. 1722 01:22:35,825 --> 01:22:39,454 Sacramento attorney Mark Reichel and his longtime investigator, 1723 01:22:39,454 --> 01:22:43,541 John Kennedy, named Gary Poste as the likely Zodiac killer 1724 01:22:43,541 --> 01:22:47,253 years ago after their own lengthy investigation. 1725 01:22:47,337 --> 01:22:49,589 This is the radar station where he worked. 1726 01:22:49,589 --> 01:22:51,841 Kennedy showed me the digital files of his own 1727 01:22:51,841 --> 01:22:55,970 Zodiac Killer investigation tied to Gary Post compiling records 1728 01:22:56,054 --> 01:22:58,139 where he was stationed in the Air Force 1729 01:22:58,139 --> 01:23:01,142 before the Zodiac Killer spree in the fifties. 1730 01:23:01,184 --> 01:23:02,769 And in these places, 1731 01:23:02,769 --> 01:23:06,356 there were encrypted messages being sent and received 1732 01:23:06,564 --> 01:23:09,567 and where Post may have picked up a knack for codes. 1733 01:23:09,818 --> 01:23:12,779 Kennedy also found a news clipping of a deadly car 1734 01:23:12,779 --> 01:23:15,990 crash Poste was involved in just outside the base. 1735 01:23:16,074 --> 01:23:18,743 So Mark Reichel and John Kennedy, 1736 01:23:18,743 --> 01:23:22,038 While they believe that Poste is in fact the Zodiac killer. 1737 01:23:22,038 --> 01:23:24,749 They do acknowledge that the evidence that they have 1738 01:23:24,749 --> 01:23:26,084 is circumstantial. 1739 01:23:26,084 --> 01:23:29,587 They look forward to the day that science will prove 1740 01:23:29,629 --> 01:23:31,548 them right. 1741 01:23:31,631 --> 01:23:34,050 An Expert like myself who has 1742 01:23:34,050 --> 01:23:36,803 had contact with members within the bureau that said that 1743 01:23:36,803 --> 01:23:40,807 since 2016, Gary Francis Post was their suspect. 1744 01:23:40,849 --> 01:23:41,975 They will be releasing 1745 01:23:41,975 --> 01:23:46,312 this evidence if and when the FBI confirms 1746 01:23:46,312 --> 01:23:48,022 whether or not they are accurate, 1747 01:23:48,022 --> 01:23:51,526 using the database of evidence that the FBI has on this case. 1748 01:23:51,609 --> 01:23:53,528 Some aren't convinced. 1749 01:23:53,528 --> 01:23:54,446 I woke up this morning. 1750 01:23:54,446 --> 01:23:55,822 I really thought it was April 1st. 1751 01:23:55,822 --> 01:23:59,325 Tom Voight of ZodiacKiller.com calls the claims 1752 01:23:59,325 --> 01:24:03,455 hot garbage and says the theories presented are thin. 1753 01:24:03,538 --> 01:24:05,373 Who are we to say yay or nay? 1754 01:24:05,373 --> 01:24:07,584 San Francisco Chronicle reporter Kevin Fagan 1755 01:24:07,584 --> 01:24:09,794 has been covering the Zodiac case for years. 1756 01:24:09,794 --> 01:24:12,756 He says he's not so sure Post is the right guy. 1757 01:24:12,756 --> 01:24:14,632 You know, I got an email two weeks ago 1758 01:24:14,632 --> 01:24:17,635 saying that they found Herb Caen's name in the anagram. 1759 01:24:17,635 --> 01:24:19,971 So Herb Caen must be the Zodiac. 1760 01:24:19,971 --> 01:24:21,556 Before that, it was Charlie Manson. 1761 01:24:21,556 --> 01:24:22,474 Back in December, 1762 01:24:22,474 --> 01:24:24,476 the FBI confirmed that the Zodiac cipher 1763 01:24:24,476 --> 01:24:26,227 had been cracked by code breakers. 1764 01:24:26,227 --> 01:24:29,314 His message said in part, I hope you're having lots of fun 1765 01:24:29,314 --> 01:24:33,151 and trying to catch me, and I'm not afraid of the gas chamber. 1766 01:24:33,234 --> 01:24:34,360 Now, we did reach out to the San 1767 01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:36,613 Francisco Police Department and the FBI, 1768 01:24:36,613 --> 01:24:39,199 and they both told me that this case remains open. 1769 01:24:39,199 --> 01:24:40,700 They have not confirmed the theory 1770 01:24:40,700 --> 01:24:42,702 presented by the case breakers today. 1771 01:24:42,702 --> 01:24:45,246 So at least for now, the mystery continues. 1772 01:24:45,246 --> 01:24:47,999 Until then, we can only ponder. 1773 01:24:47,999 --> 01:24:48,792 But I for one 1774 01:24:48,792 --> 01:24:50,335 have always been of the opinion that this is 1775 01:24:50,335 --> 01:24:52,837 most likely a gun for hire type. 1776 01:24:52,837 --> 01:24:53,963 A man who was hired 1777 01:24:53,963 --> 01:24:58,176 to commit murders on the behalf of others and. 1778 01:24:58,176 --> 01:25:00,720 He cleverly used the letters to make 1779 01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:04,307 this look like a serial killer instead of a gun for hire. 1780 01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:07,352 The San Francisco police say the Zodiac case is still open, 1781 01:25:07,352 --> 01:25:09,687 but it's not actively under investigation. 1782 01:25:09,687 --> 01:25:10,313 In fact, 1783 01:25:10,313 --> 01:25:13,358 many of the files in the case have been stored in Sacramento 1784 01:25:13,358 --> 01:25:15,860 and the original detectives in the case every time. 1785 01:25:15,860 --> 01:25:18,446 And I think given that that's been my opinion on it 1786 01:25:18,446 --> 01:25:21,908 that, makes the idea of Poste who was a house painter 1787 01:25:21,991 --> 01:25:23,535 even more poetic. 165176

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