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- The most famous and best known UFO case in the world,

the UFO crash at Roswell in New Mexico.

[ominous music]

In 1993, a letter

crossed my desk from a gentleman called Ray Santilli

that would change things forever.

He did go on to mention

that he had film of the Roswell UFO crash.

Not only did he have some film footage of Roswell,

but the actual aliens themselves being dissected,

an Alien Autopsy.

[dramatic music]

- An Alien Autopsy is always going to be

something so ridicule.

Who's gonna believe

an Alien Autopsy is an alien autopsy.

It's such a ridiculous subject.

- I did get to the bottom of it.

It just took me a lot longer than I expected.

- Interestingly, internal communications from the CIA

have been released where they are actually

talking about Alien Autopsy back then

and verifying that they believed that the footage is real

and they've seen it themselves.

- Perhaps in the desert of Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947,

we have first contact with beings not of this Earth.

[soft music]

When I, rather naively, began by involvement,

I expected to read a few books, ask a few questions,

maybe write a few letters,

and I'd have all the information I could ever dream of.

I've certainly found some of those answers down the years,

but by no means have I found them all.

My name is Philip Mantle,

and I've been involved in UFO research for 14 years.

During that 14 years, you know,

I've researched and investigated UFO cases

of every description really,

probably best known for my involvement

in the Alien Autopsy film.

- [Reporter] Headline of July 8, 1947.

The Army Air Forces has announced that a flying disc

had been found and is now in the production of the army.

- The town of Roswell was in the middle of the desert

in New Mexico, and its main employer

was the Roswell Army Air Force base that was nearby.

And one night in early July, there was a lightning storm.

And the next day, on a sheep rancher's property,

a chap called Mac Brazel come out

to inspect his sheep one day

and found this wreckage across his land.

The sheep wouldn't go anywhere near it.

He'd never seen this type of material before.

He didn't have a telephone.

He didn't even have electricity on his ranch.

So he took some of this material to his neighbor,

a lady by the name of Loretta Proctor at a nearby ranch.

And she advised him to take it into the town.

She said it might be something to do with the military.

So we waited a few days

until he had to go into town for something,

and he gathered some of this material up

and took it to the sheriff,

and that was Sheriff George Wilcox.

Again, Sheriff Wilcox had never seen anything like it.

So he'd put in a phone call to the Roswell Army Air Force,

which seemed the obvious thing for him to do.

- I was calling the headquarters,

was given copies of a press release which stated,

in essence, that we had in our possession a flying disc.

I was told to hand deliver to the four news media

we had in town at that time,

to radio stations and to newspapers.

- That, of course, then went out on the wire service.

The local radio covered it,

and the story shot around the world.

You know, the sheriff did say they were getting phone calls

from, you know, all four corners of the globe.

So that's how we got to know about it,

not through any unofficial statement

but from an official press release.

Within hours, in fact, the next newspaper the following day,

the retracted that, said, "Sorry, big mistake.

"It was a weather balloon."

[explosion blasts]

The Roswell Army Air Force

housed what is known as the 509th Bomb Group,

and they were the only atomic bomb wing in the world.

It was the 509th, for example, that dropped the atomic bombs

on Japan to end the Second World War.

So this wasn't some little, you know, air base

stuck out in the middle of nowhere.

It was a very important installation.

It was a very different world than we have here today.

There was very real fear that the US and the Soviet Union

were heading for war, and that war would be a nuclear war.

So there was still a great respect for officialdom,

certainly in the military.

Both the US and the USSR, in opposite direction,

were keeping tabs on each other.

We know that the atomic bomb

was designed and invented in the United States.

However, the secrets were leaked to the Soviet,

so they did have atomic bombs,

and the US were keeping a close eye on them

the best they could.

So tensions were very real in 1947,

and there were many who suspected that, you know,

war could well be imminent.

Primarily, if the military said something was so and so,

then you'd probably believe them.

A lot of people in the town

maybe even served in the military at one point.

The town depended on the air base for its living

during those days.

It certainly did have an effect.

After the telephone call

went to the air base from the sheriff,

they dispatched their intelligence officer,

which was a Lieutenant Jesse Marcel.

He took with him a gentleman called Sheridan Cavitt,

and they made their way out to the Brazel ranch

and collected some of this material.

And on their way back, Marcel stopped at his home.

He didn't live on the base.

He lived off base with his wife

and his 11-year-old son, Jesse Marcel, Jr.

- When he came in, he was very excited.

He woke my mother and myself up.

It must have been one or two o'clock in the morning.

And he wanted us to see

what he was bringing in from the field.

He said, "This is parts of a flying saucer."

And it was all brought in

and spread out on the kitchen floor,

and we just looked at it.

- Young Marcel picked up a rod about this long

that looked edged on like a capital letter I.

So it got the nickname of an I beam.

- You know, I picked up this particular I beam

and held it up to my upper left to look at it

with the kitchen light reflecting on the inner surface,

and that's when I saw the writing

or the symbols of some sort.

I thought at first, this is hieroglyphics

or some kind of writing like that.

It sort of looked alien to me.

- And his father said, "Son, you may be the first person

"to ever see writing from another world."

He gathered this stuff up and took it back to the base.

There are some people, even today, who would say,

"Well, you know, the military did make a mistake,

"and it was indeed simply a balloon

"but attached to a secret project.

"Hence, you know, the reason for keeping it quiet."

You go back to Major Marcel himself, they used to release

weather balloons twice a day from the air force base.

He'd been trained in how to do this.

He knew what a weather balloon looked like.

And he said, "That material that I posed for in his office

"was a weather balloon, but that wasn't the material

"that I've picked up that day on the ranch."

He claimed that there'd been a switch,

and he was told to keep quiet and saying nothing.

Why the coverup was put in place is still hotly debated.

But we have to remember,

this is just after the Second World War,

so people were used to keeping secrets.

And the nature of the air base itself,

it was a nuclear facility.

So you know, secrets were part of everyday routine.

- I sincerely believe we had a crash

of something from outer space

because we still don't have materials

that compare with the descriptions that I've gotten

of the material that was picked up out on the ranch

and brought into town.

- He couldn't figure this out.

There were some other bits and pieces,

the likes of which he'd never seen before.

This was the puzzling thing.

They had seen weather balloons and things of that nature

but nothing like this at all.

- I think at last count, I had spoken

to around four dozen people

who handled various aspects of the debris.

The most dramatic is the foil-like material

that you can wad up in a ball and let it go

and it would unfold itself.

- Mac Brazel, like Sheriff Wilcox and others,

claim that some of this material was almost,

almost looked like tin foil.

But it was very light, and when you rolled it up

or crushed it in your hand and then let go again,

it would immediately unfurl

and go back to its original shape

without any creases or bents or dents,

and it got the nickname of memory metal.

- They tried to burn it and they couldn't burn it,

and it wouldn't catch on fire.

And they took out their pocket knives

and they tried to cut it, and they couldn't cut it.

I guess they all had their chance to play with it

for a while, and it was laying on the table,

so I reached up and picked it up,

and I played for it probably about five minutes.

When you would wad it up in your hand,

you couldn't feel it in your hand.

You couldn't feel you had anything there.

And it would go to a size that was so small

that you'd have to look to see if it was still in your hand.

And then when you drop it, it spread out over the table.

Daddy came in so excited,

and he said what they saw was not from this world.

There were two bodies

that were laying on the ground outside of this craft

and that there was one, what he called little person.

And he said there's one little person

that was walking around, and he said they were still alive.

And he said that the other two were dead

and that this one that was alive was very sad.

My dad would not have gotten excited over a weather balloon.

He was not easily excitable, and this is the most thrilled

I'd ever seen him in my life.

He thought that was the most fantastic thing in the world.

- When you go back to Roswell

and look at the various eyewitnesses,

not many of them stepped forward at that time in 1947

simply because there was no avenue for them to do so.

It wasn't until some years later,

when, in the late 1970s, nuclear physicist

and UFO researcher Stanton Friedman met Colonel Marcel.

He was in retirement now.

He was introduced to him by a TV station

who knew about his story.

Then the word got out.

Roswell became news.

It was featured in television and newspapers and so on.

And it's only when that happened then other people

who were there at the time stepped forward.

Some went on the record, others, you know, in confidence.

Some were also found by UFO researchers.

They looked who was serving in the military at the air base

at that time and were able to track them down and find them.

So many of the airmen and civilian witnesses as well

went on the record.

So the investigation to Roswell

started in earnest in the late 1970s,

and it's still ongoing even today.

There's been lots of firsthand witnesses from the military,

go on the record, even young Marcel himself.

He became a doctor, a medical doctor, and a flight surgeon,

served in the military himself.

He's gone on the record, wrote his own book about it,

spoke at conferences.

Sadly, he's no longer with us.

So a lot of the people who were there,

either first or second hand, stepped forward.

There is this threatening aspect of the Roswell story,

but again, we have to remember,

it was a different era and a different time.

So there were those, certainly in the military,

if they were told to keep quiet,

then they would do exactly that.

That was their duty, and that's the way they were trained,

and that's the way they acted.

A number of the military witnesses

didn't go on the record for a long time,

perhaps when they were in the twilight of their own life

and they thought, "Well, if I don't say something now,

"then I'll never have the opportunity."

And that seems to be the case in, you know,

on a number of occasions.

- The best evidence we have

from a number of eyewitness sources is that the craft

and the bodies were brought to Hangar 84

on the Roswell army airfield

and stored overnight before transport.

What we understand from the eyewitness testimony

is the bodies were sealed in a large wooden crate

kept at the center of the hangar.

It's absolutely brilliant what they did.

They announced they have a flying saucer,

but they've already captured it.

They've already got it.

There's nothing to see.

So nobody goes out looking for the thing.

Then they shift everything to Fort Worth.

The higher headquarters says,

"No, no, those guys made a mistake.

"It was just a weather balloon."

- One of the sinister things about the Roswell affair

is that there are claims that the military

not only ordered the people under their command

to stay quiet, but also civilian witnesses.

- The press can't find Jesse Marcel

because he's in Fort Worth and he's been silenced.

- You know, when he came back from Roswell

after finding the debris, he did tell me

not to talk about this to my brother,

not to talk about this.

This is a non event.

Play like it never happened.

Don't even talk about this with your friends,

which I didn't.

And years later, he confided that he was actually

part of the coverup because he went along

with the Air Force explanation

even though he knew full well that that was not true.

- There's corroborative testimony that suggests

somebody was putting pressure on people to silence them,

and they used what means were necessary

to keep those people silent.

Some of the civilians, they were told

that if you ever talk about it, you will be killed.

- For example, the lady by the name of Frankie Rowe,

her father was a firefighter.

He's claimed that they were dispatched to the event,

and he managed to somehow acquire

a piece of this memory metal and show it to her.

You know, she was his daughter.

Shortly after, they were visited by members of the military

with a stern warning, I mean, a very stern warning

that keep quiet about this and say nothing, you know.

Bullets are cheap, so to speak.

- I said, "Yes, I did handle it."

And he started emphasizing, "No, you didn't."

Well, my mother was pretty strict, and we didn't lie.

So I'm insistent that yes, I saw it.

Yes, I held it.

And he got mad, and he got louder.

And he had one of those,

it looks like a small baseball bat

that hooks on the side of your belt.

He took that out, and he's holding it,

and he starts beating his hand.

Every time he said something, he would hit back on his hand,

and he would say, "I want you to understand.

"You were never there.

"You did not see anything.

"You did not hear a conversation."

And he said, "If you can't understand this,

"there are things that we can do."

He said, "We can take you out here

"in the middle of this desert."

He said, "This is a big desert here."

He said, "No one will ever find your bodies ever.

"No one will ever know what happened to you."

He said, "The only way I'm gonna let you

"stay around or live is if you promise

"you'll never talk about this for the rest of your life."

So I told him I wouldn't.

- And that was a reoccurring theme every now and again

both with civilian and military witnesses.

The wreckage at the time,

and it even says this in the newspaper cuttings,

was flown to Wright Field, as it was called,

and it's now called Wright-Patterson air force base,

still in operation.

And it's claimed that is where the wreckage

and possibly even the bodies were studied,

officially studied.

And it was in a mythical, almost mythical hangar,

given the number of Hangar 18.

There are those that claim that when the wreckage

was studied at Wright-Patterson air force base,

it was direct fed secretly into civilian research programs

and that it may have helped the technology

for the space race, for example.

- [T.J.] Good Lord ride all the way.

- [Scott] Godspeed, John Glenn.

- Silicon chips, fiber optics,

and eventually, all the way through

to the stealth technology that we see in the aircraft.

That is a rumor, and it's not proven,

but there are those that say that, you know,

most of the technology that was found that day at Roswell

are still yet to be identified,

and we haven't been able to reverse engineer it at all.

The story got a new lease of life, certainly, in the 1980s.

Stanton Friedman, sadly no longer with us,

but he was the main civilian researcher

of the Roswell incident, and he had no doubt,

no doubt whatsoever that this was a crash of a vehicle

that was not of this Earth and that a coverup

was put in place almost immediately,

one that is still intact today.

And I think it was Stanton who coined the phrase

the cosmic Watergate.

So he had no doubt that, a, it was an alien vehicle,

and b, there's a coverup.

- How about the analysis of the materials?

How about the autopsy reports?

How about the eyewitness testimony

from those who stood guard, those who carried it,

those who tested it at various government labs?

There ought to be a ton of other papers.

- Stanton was a diligent researcher,

and he would track down and interview

witnesses to the event.

He was also one of those that would be quite happy

to spend days researching through government archives

to find documentation of one form or another.

And he was literally, once he got his teeth into something,

he was like a dog with a bone.

And he did uncover a number of witnesses.

He interviewed just about anybody and everybody.

But what he also did was helped spread the word.

You know, he was the man

that actually put Roswell on the map.

And gradually, you know, the UFO story was out there

for all of us to digest.

Roswell, the town itself is still thriving.

The air force base closed many years back.

Back in the 1980s, some documents

known as Majestic 12 or Magic 12 were leaked,

and it mentioned here that, you know, the bodies

and other things were studied at a secret base.

And of course, you put two and two together,

and that secret base is alleged to be Area 51.

I was the press officer

for the British UFO Research Association.

And in 1993,

a letter crossed my desk that would change things forever.

[ominous music]

And it was a letter from the Merlin Group in London,

from a gentleman called Ray Santilli.

After the initial letter, we corresponded some more

and I spoke to Ray Santilli on the telephone.

He apparently knew very little about the UFO subject,

so I arranged to meet Ray Santilli in London.

Obviously, a businessman,

music was his main area of business.

He obviously knew about that.

However, he did go on to mention

that he had film of the Roswell UFO crash.

Not only did he have some film footage of Roswell

but the actual aliens themselves being dissected

an alien autopsy.

- The story from that point on

became quite a roller coaster.

- At the time, you know, I didn't look upon it

as being anything other than just a film.

You have to ask yourself, okay, we have a film.

What could it be?

- First of all, could it be a hoax?

Of course it could, you know.

When you look at the movie Jurassic Park,

they made full sized dinosaurs,

you know, move and look real.

So with enough time and money, yes, it could be a hoax.

Then we looked at could it be real.

Could it really be, you know, from Roswell?

Like I said, it had always been rumored

that film and still photographs were taken.

There was also another idea that perhaps

this was some kind of poor, deformed human being

that we were looking at.

So it was, again, a real film, but it was of some,

you know, some deformed person.

And there was even another theory, if you like,

that could this be some US military disinformation film,

not to disinform UFO researchers.

Perhaps it was made to fool the Soviets, you know,

and leak it into the Soviet Union to say,

look what we've gone.

So there was a number of ideas, you know,

as to what may or may not be, none of which could be proven

one way or another at that point.

I spent, in total, 14 years

researching the Alien Autopsy film.

And in 2006, we'd already been given a name,

a first name of a gentleman, and the name was Spyros.

I knew the film was a fake.

I just couldn't prove it.

I had a few missing pieces.

A colleague of mine called Russell Callahan

had a phone call from a gentleman called

Spyros Melaris.

And he said, Russell said,

"It's not me you want to speak to.

"It's Philip."

And bang, there was our mysterious man

we'd been looking for.

And as soon as I spoke to him,

he just filled in all the gaps.

Game over.

- Spyros.

Spyros Melaris is a very talented

and very interesting and creative filmmaker.

I used Spyros on Alien Autopsy when we did

The Investigation Continues,

which was a 60-minute documentary

based on everything that happened at Roswell.

So he was quite involved in most parts of the project.

And you know, I know that there's, you know,

some difficulty at the moment

because he's laying claim to coming up

with the entire concept of Alien Autopsy

and doing everything, but that's absolutely not true.

He was not involved in our trip in America,

finding the cameraman, bringing the footage over

and all of that part of it.

- All the questions I'd been asking for years,

he had an answer for all of them.

It's like I'm in a jigsaw puzzle with bits missing.

And I needed a good idea of what the jigsaw was.

And once you got the missing part,

it just, that was it, finished.

At some point in the 2000s, I was contacted by a gentleman

who claimed to have some information about it.

So I met him, and he said

a good friend of a sculptor here in the UK.

He wouldn't tell me the sculptors name.

However, before he left the meeting, he let slip

one of the projects this sculptor was responsible for,

and it was a channel for recreation some years prior

called Max Headroom, which was quite popular.

So we checked out who this gentleman was,

and he was indeed a UK sculptor,

and he was called John Humphreys.

- John Humphreys is one of the best makers

in terms of prosthetics.

He's a sculptor.

He's an artist.

He's a creative.

- Spyros, then and now, went on to tell me

that he'd heard Ray Santilli's story about, you know,

meeting this fake cameraman and so on.

He'd met Ray by chance at a film festival in France,

contacted him again when he came back to the UK.

Ray Santilli shows Spyros a piece of film,

and supposedly, that's never been filmed on celluloid.

It's VHS.

So Ray told him this fake story about the cameraman

and him paying for this footage.

So he took off to drive home, Spyros, and he had this idea.

He phoned a friend of his which was the sculptor,

John Humphreys, and told him about this story.

And they said, "Well, why don't we make him one?

"I.e., why don't we make him an alien autopsy film?"

So Spyros went back to Ray and said,

"If you want an alien autopsy film, you know,

"we can make it for you," simple as that.

Well, I think Ray Santilli's reaction was,

you know, the light bulb moment.

It was just a question of the financing.

And they had a gentleman who could provide that finance,

so you know, the game was afoot.

I've been involved in looking at Roswell

probably from about 1993.

Everybody knows a bit about Roswell,

and the reason we're talking about it again

is because of the Alien Autopsy.

- Interestingly, internal communications from the CIA

have been released where they were actually

talking about Alien Autopsy back then

and verifying that they believe that the footage is real

and they've seen it themselves.

- And is has been called the Alien Autopsy memo.

It is a string of emails

between a chap called Eric Davis and Dr. Kit Green.

On this 11-page document, they are evaluating

a number of things on which they were working on.

But primarily,

it is the Alien Autopsy film they're discussing.

It's addressed to us billionaire Bob Bigelow

who used to run an organization

called the National Institute for Discovery Science, NIDS,

and he employed a number of scientists to study UFOs.

One of those scientists is Dr. Kit Green.

Kit Green formerly worked for the CIA.

This email list is clarifying statements made by Kit Green

concerning the Alien Autopsy film.

It's dated 2001.

Without going into too great a detail,

he came to the conclusion, as did the others

copied in on these emails, that the Alien Autopsy film,

in his opinion, was real, and that he'd seen

exactly the same type of film

at a briefing at the Pentagon back in 1987/'88.

And it's caused quite an uproar yet again

[dramatic music]

When you look at the consensus of UFO researchers

around the world when it comes to these documents,

and it's like, "Oh, no, not the Alien Autopsy again.

"I thought we'd done that.

"I thought we proved it's a fake.

"Let's move on.

"You know, let's forget about it, please."

The leaked documents was sent to me

by three different individuals

the day before they were released online.

I had no idea this was about to happen, but it just did.

It is believed it has come from an archive

of a well-known gentleman who had passed away.

I'll not mention his name

because he's not yet been verified.

But it seems plausible enough.

He was involved in UFO research.

He's an extremely well-known gentlemen

if I mention his name.

- [Man] And there it is, Houston.

- [Alan] Nice job, down there.

- [Edgar] That was beautiful.

- [Alan] Auto.

- [Edgar] We're on the surface.

- [Alan] Okay, we made a good landing.

- [Edgar] Roger, on target.

- [Narrator] Four minutes later,

he was joined by Ed Mitchell.

- There's a number of people who were copied in

on this email, and one of those who was copied in,

I emailed them and asked them

if the documents in question were authentic.

And he said, "Off the record, Philip, yes, they are."

The gentleman I contacted on email

has refused to answer any more questions.

And it would appear to me that both him and his colleagues,

who are mentioned in this document, are embarrassed

because this was an internal set of emails

and was never meant for public consumption.

The only person so far to speak to Kit Green about this

is US researcher, Richard Dolan.

You know, Richard has interviewed him on the telephone,

and I think one of the first things he asked him

was is this email list, is it authentic.

And he said, yes, it is.

Another chap who worked for Robert Bigelow

was a chap called Colin Callaghan.

And he contacted me, and he asked me

to speak with Ray Santilli for him.

What Colin was thinking at the time

was a good quality copy of the Alien Autopsy film,

and of course, some celluloid,

some 16-millimeter film to analyze.

So I did, like I've done many times before,

put him in touch with Santilli and left them to it.

The main gentleman mentioned in these documents

who is commenting on the Alien Autopsy film

is a gentleman called Christopher Kit Green.

Everyone knows him as Kit Green.

He's an MD, he's a PhD,

and still practices medicine even now in the United States.

Dr. Green at one point was employed by the CIA,

worked on a number of projects for them

in a variety of capacities.

So he's, you know, a highly intelligent gentleman

and one that's very well qualified as well.

He claims that the briefing he was given in 1988/'87

was specifically about the alien autopsy.

[soft music]

I think the main reason, when you look at these documents,

as why they would want Kit Green to evaluate

the Alien Autopsy film, there are two reasons.

One is that in 1988/'87, Kit Green himself says

he was taken to the Pentagon and briefed

and shown films that looked exactly the same

as the Alien Autopsy film.

But also, he's an MD.

He's a medical doctor.

So later in these documents, Dr. Kit Green,

looking at the Alien Autopsy film itself,

nothing to do with any briefing he'd had at the Pentagon,

but he gives his own medical opinion

on what he sees on that film,

and he says, "I think it's real.

"It's the genuine article."

- A field of expertise do these people have

dealing with anatomies of alien beings?

I assure you, none.

We were learning.

That was day one at school

when they first cut into the first specimen.

One time, there was a requirement for our OIC

to go to Fort Belvoir, Virginia.

So I went ahead and I was selected as the driver

to take him to Fort Belvoir, Virginia.

After we arrived there,

he went to where the officers were meeting for a briefing.

The drivers went to another location.

There was myself and an airman first class,

and we went inside to the balcony area

which had plexiglass cover where we could look down

to where the officers were.

When we looked down there,

we found that they were watching films.

We were watching, thinking, well, it has to be

some type of science fiction movies that they're watching

where they're splicing together trailers

at the end of a movie.

We couldn't figure out what type of movies they were.

So while we were talking amongst ourselves,

we looked and we had two gentlemen coming in

and told us we were to follow them.

The airman and myself thought we were in trouble

because we'd seen all these officers

being brought together with taxpayers' money,

watching what we perceived to be little clips

from science fiction movies, because I honestly didn't think

that we would ever be in a position

where I could be so easily exposed to something like that.

However, after four days and five nights of that,

I went ahead and finally convinced them

that I wouldn't be discussing this situation.

The interesting thing I found out

when I first saw the films, the films of the dissection,

the word that I use to describe what I saw was haunting,

and it has special significance to me

because I was seeing images of what I saw in 1969.

That brought back specific memories.

What happened to me

is what they call intensified debriefing.

And I can tell you this much.

Intensified debriefing, you'll drill your head

and you'll take sleep over food.

You'll get water, because see,

it's important to have water or you'll die.

They'll provide you with food, but you slept in spurts.

You'd go and lay your head down on the pillow,

you'd go into what they call deep sleep.

That's about three to five minutes,

and you'd be woken up and you'd be taken back,

put under the lamps again for more intensified debriefing.

And what they do, they knew that you were wondering

what was gonna happen to you.

So it had an effect on you.

And that's about the gist of it.

Forgive me.

- Is Kit Green saying that the things he saw

in the 1980s were similar or the same

as the being in the 1995 Santilli film?

He emphasizes it and actually spells it out

in capital letters and says they are the same,

not similar but the same.

And of course, that's simply not possible.

There are those that think that perhaps,

you know, Ray Santilli is not behind

the invention of the Alien Autopsy.

Well, nor is Spyros Melaris.

But instead, for some mysterious reason, it's the CIA.

But there are a number of well-known UFO researchers,

primarily in the United States, who can't believe

that someone of Kit Green's experience and standing

would be fooled by a fake film.

So there must be something more to it,

and they believe that he was indeed shown other films,

fake or real, by the CIA that look either the same

or similar to the Santilli film.

Therefore, the CIA must, in some mysterious way,

be linked to the faking of it.

I can't see any sense in that at all

and don't believe a word of it.

It is alleged that the CIA

have fed false stories about UFOs

into the public domain for a variety of reasons.

We do know for a fact that they did feed fake UFO sightings

into the public domain to cover up

all the flights of their own spy plane.

So they may have other reasons for putting

fake alien stories into the public domain.

If we jump back to Roswell, for example, some people claim

that the alien aspect of it is a fake story to cover up

what really did happen, but this is only speculation.

Here you've got a scientist and a medical doctor

being fed information by the CIA.

Dr. Kit Green, who has now been interviewed by Richard Dolan

has changed his attitude somewhat.

He believes now the film is a fake,

and he says that the CIA lied to him back in the '80s.

However, he does now still say that some of the film

that he saw at the Pentagon, some of the aspects of it

like the creature's face and the hand and the room

was still the same as the Santilli film released in 1995.

Now, whether it's the whole film or bits of it,

they cannot be the same because the film

was only designed and made in 1995.

So nothing in it can be the same

as something seen back in the 1980s.

It is simply not possible.

When Kit Green does his evaluation,

he notices a few small mistakes in the medical procedure,

but then, you know, he has an explanation

of why these mistakes may have been made,

because it was back in 1947.

They didn't do things the same then as they do now.

And so, it was the military, you know,

and there are different ways of doing things.

He speculates that if any tissue samples were taken,

they would go to the Walter Reed institution,

which of course is based at Wright-Patterson Air Force base,

which we have mentioned before

and its links with UFO research,

although he's only speculating.

He doesn't know this for sure.

It's just pure speculation at that point.

When you look at Dr. Kit Green's evaluation

of the the Alien Autopsy film,

it doesn't get anything right.

And you think to yourself,

is he looking at the same film as me?

Because he mentions various medical items in it

which you can't see.

You know, they're just not there.

So it does make you wonder

how he's come to these conclusions.

I've tried to get in touch with Mr. Green

to ask him a few questions.

The first one I would ask is,

how did the man of your reputation and experience

come to be fooled by this fake film?

That would be my first question.

But unfortunately, I've not had that chance yet.

There's a number of things

that are important about the memo.

It shows you how someone with the knowledge and experience

of Dr. Kit Green can be fooled by a piece of film.

He wasn't alone.

At the time when the film was released around the world,

there were a number of physicians who went on the record

saying it looks pretty authentic

as far as the medical procedure is concerned.

However, they wouldn't comment

on what the creature on the slab was.

He's gone that one step further.

So it just shows you the impact that this film had

not just when it was released

but, you know, down the decades,

and it still does continue to have such an impact.

I think the biggest revelation is that

just when you think you've heard

everything there is to hear about the Alien Autopsy film,

and I have a huge archive of material on it,

that something else appears and brings it back

into the public domain again,

and the argument starts from scratch.

It was almost as if the 14 years I spent investigating it

would have been a complete waste of time. [chuckles]

What is amazing is that Ray Santilli

had been quiet for quite a while.

But once this email document leaked,

he was back on social media saying I always knew

that there were documents somewhere that would prove

that what I've been saying was correct all along.

He's even done a couple of interviews

on a couple of podcasts, still saying,

"I told I had real film.

"I told you there was a mysterious cameraman."

Well, you know, these documents don't prove anything,

but he's using it to the best effect.

- [Reporter] The Army Air Forces has announced

that a flying disc has been found

and is now in the possession of the army.

Army officers say the metal found sometime last week

has been inspected at Roswell, New Mexico

and sent to Wright field, Ohio for further inspection.

- It's the one case that will not die.

It is claimed that not only a UFO crashed,

but there were dead alien bodies.

It's rumored that perhaps one of those creatures on board

did survive for a short period of time.

It's the case that will not die.

It is shrouded in mystery.

And even now, all those that were at Roswell

or saw something around the time have all passed away.

However, information still comes to light.

It's lying in somebody's fires, or in a cupboard,

or, you know, in the attic, in a box, you know.

Just when you to think you've heard

everything there is to know about Roswell,

something pops up and bites you on the back side.

It really does.

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