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{\an8}I sent Nancy an email.
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"Hi, Nancy, I am contacting you
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"because I saw
a comment you left
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"on the Exposing People
Who Fake Cancer Facebook page.
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"And I believe
that I have a story
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"that you might be interested
in checking out.
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"There is a 30-year-old woman
in my Silicon Valley city
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"who is now claiming to have
stage four blood cancer."
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I can't believe
I wrote all this.
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I'm accusing someone
of faking cancer.
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This is the first time
I've seen this since I sent it.
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{\an8} Okay. "I would be
happy to speak with you
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{\an8}"on the condition
that my identity
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{\an8}"will not be revealed."
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I wanted to remain anonymous
at the time.
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I knew she was a member
of the press.
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She wasn't going to say
who I was.
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And literally,
I think within the hour,
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she responded to me.
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When I was contacted
about someone faking cancer,
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{\an8}I couldn't help but think about
what I had been through in...
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{\an8}in my past.
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I had a sister
that had died from cancer.
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When she was diagnosed
with lung cancer,
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at a very young age,
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she was a mom of two,
much like Amanda,
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and it was something
that hit home.
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With this particular tip,
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there was a lot
of information to look at.
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It was really something
that if she didn't have cancer,
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it was a pretty elaborate scam.
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She said, "I'm
very interested in this story.
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"Can we talk
about this further?"
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And... I said yes.
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She starts telling me
these stories
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about Amanda's
cancer diagnosis...
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...and how much
they did for her...
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and the money they gave her...
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and it wasn't until Amanda
proceeded to swim underwater
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with no regard for just having
fluid drained from her brain...
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that she was like,
"These things are not adding up,
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"and I don't think she's sick."
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Then Lisa lets me know
this is in 2010 and 2011.
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I mentioned,
kind of in passing,
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that there had been a fundraiser
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for a member of our community
who had cancer...
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...and the community
rallied together
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and raised 100,000 dollars
for him and his family.
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And the very next day,
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Amanda called me and told me
that she had cancer
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and that she had a lot
of medical bills.
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And that was late 2010
she told us that.
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{\an8} In 2012, Amanda said
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she was just
newly diagnosed with cancer
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and decided to share
that in a blog.
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Lisa felt comfortable enough
to say, "Listen,
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"she told us she had
four months to live,
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"and that was in 2010 and 2011,
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"so I just know
that this is all lies
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"from 2012 on. It's just lies."
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And so, I started
to check out Amanda's blog.
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{\an8}"The doctor said
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{\an8}"my mature white blood count
is too low,
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{\an8}"so I will probably need
the Neupogen shots."
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{\an8}"Today is the day my hitchhiker
is being 'beamed' out!
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{\an8}"Time for some brain surgery!!"
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{\an8}"Five hospital stays
and 32 doctors' appointments
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{\an8}"and lab visits
in January alone!"
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{\an8} It was already years
into her blog
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{\an8}and her journey fighting cancer.
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Everything was photographed
and documented.
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"Here's me in a hospital bed."
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"Here's me
with an IV in my arm."
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"Here's me
at doctor's appointments."
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{\an8}Tons of pictures.
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Tons of information on people
that donated.
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She would post all the events
that she went to.
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Her treatments.
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All the different hospitals.
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And there was a great deal
of detail to it.
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So, it was really important
to sit down
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and just pick apart that blog.
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Everything took time
to fact-check
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and had to be documented
carefully.
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So, then once I'd fact-checked
those first three years,
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I'm now watching her post
in real time.
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{\an8}"So, apparently,
no one wants to hire
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{\an8}"a terminal cancer patient?!
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{\an8}"The nerve... I know, right?I'm of course kidding,
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{\an8}"but I am having a hard time
finding a career
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{\an8}"while disclosing
the 'C' word."
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Nancy and I talked
quite regularly
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because every time there was
a new blog post,
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one of us would text the other.
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Didn't matter what time
of day or night it was.
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"What is she-- Can you believe
she's claiming this now?
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"Like, is any-- What--
Is anybody questioning this?"
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It was everything from,
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"I'm now part
of the Lymphoma Society."
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"I went
to this cancer conference."
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And anything she posted was
just more for me to fact-check.
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"As of right now,
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"the only drug left I can try
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"doesn't even have
an active trial
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"in the United States,
except for lung cancer."
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Clinical trials
are not hard to verify
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because clinicaltrials.gov
is very accurate.
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That's where you go
to check on trials
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and to know what's legitimate.
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The information that Amanda gave
didn't make sense.
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And I spoke to somebody
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that was an expert
in this field.
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She took a look at the blog
and gave me a bunch of notes on,
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"Hey, these are the things
that didn't sound right to her."
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So, I knew that something's not
passing the sniff test.
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Nancy believed me,
and she believed in the story.
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Once I felt like Amanda
did not have cancer,
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that's when I felt
most comfortable
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to start reaching out.
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But I was being really careful
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{\an8}in who I reached out to
because, you know,
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{\an8}Amanda was really beloved
in the community.
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Three days after I had my son,
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I heard the words, "You have
stage three blood cancer."
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My God.
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I was really concerned
about reaching out
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to somebody at the church
because she was on that stage.
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She was in the audience.
People knew who she was.
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I felt that reaching out
to anyone there directly
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would not go well.
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But I knew,
from looking at court records,
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that Amanda's husband,
Cory, had an ex-wife.
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I saw she had an Etsy profile,
so I reached out.
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Cory's ex-wife
responded to me, and she said,
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"I have nothing nice to say,
but I can tell you
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"that they're always lying."
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I felt like, "Wow, okay.
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"I'm onto something."
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I am Aletta Bernal.
I am...
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...the ex-wife of Cory,
Cory Riley.
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{\an8}
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I met Cory
playing pool.
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And we just hung out and talked,
and he asked to see me again,
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and that's how
we ended up dating.
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It just kind of went from there.
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{\an8}Um, I was pregnant with Jessa
a few months after,
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{\an8}and then we ended up
getting married...
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which was a little quick.
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I was seven years old
when my mom and Cory had met.
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{\an8}And being a little girl,
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{\an8}knowing that I was going
to have a little sister
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was so exciting. I remember
being over the moon.
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But I was very sick
leading up to that.
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I remember
countless hospital visits
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and stays and tests
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and everything,
trying to figure out
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what was going on with me,
why I was so sick.
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And then we were told
that I had leukemia.
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I was nine months
pregnant with Jessa
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and my daughter, Jaymie,
was diagnosed with leukemia.
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So that was a difficult time.
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Probably gonna get emotional.
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I remember the first time
I finally held my baby sister.
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I was going through treatment
for two months at that point.
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Bald-headed, little girl,
just holding this little...
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little bundle of life.
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She went through a lot.
She really did.
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Her white blood cell counts
were out of whack
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and she could get sick
very easily.
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There was different periods
of time where,
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you know, she couldn't be
around other people.
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{\an8}Jaymie was at home
a lot with cancer.
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{\an8}She couldn't go to school
because of her immune system.
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And that's when Amanda
comes into the picture.
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She's hired by Aletta
to teach dance
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and cheerleading classes
at the house.
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That's how she met Jaymie
and Jessa, as well as Aletta
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and Aletta's husband, Cory.
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We, as a family,
wanted Jaymie to have
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{\an8}a normal childhood
even though she had cancer.
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I was working at a gym.
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So, I'm like, "Wait a minute,
I might have someone
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at the gym
that could teach classes."
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And I brought Amanda over
to my sister's house.
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She was a college student.
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And they connected immediately.
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It was really tough being sick.
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So, Amanda would come over
and teach me and my cousin
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how to cheer and dance.
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She didn't seem like
an adult figure in my mind.
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She was like a big, cool friend.
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And it was a really fun time.
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The kids loved her.
She clearly loved the kids.
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Jaymie and my daughter
went to San Jose State
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at a talent show with Amanda.
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We have a very
special performance here.
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I just really wanted
to do well by her.
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Oh, let's see
what the judges think.
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So, I'm gonna
give you a six-point-six.
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Amanda wasn't happy with that.
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She had the two girls go up
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to the judges
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and try to persuade them
to give them a better score.
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We're like,
"Hmm, okay."
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Beyond strictly cheer
or this or that,
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Amanda would hang out with us
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and be a part
of our family outings
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and gatherings and stuff.
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She was very much a part
of the family in that sense.
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So, I would have never imagined
that someday...
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Amanda would marry
my sister's dad.
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Cory and I divorced.
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Amanda started hanging over
at Cory's house,
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and they eventually ended up
together a few years later.
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Is that anything
you ever could've imagined?
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No.
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Cory and Amanda.
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I don't know where it began.
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I never saw any signs
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of them even being interested
in each other.
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I don't get it.
I don't get it at all.
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Despite
the 12-year age difference,
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despite the fact that Amanda
had become part of the family
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of Aletta, Cory,
Jaymie and Jessa,
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as a young 17-year-old,
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Cory and Amanda got together.
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And then the next thing
you know,
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Amanda and Cory are married.
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And it was kind of crazy
that this young,
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like, big sister
then became Jessa's stepmom.
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What a big kick
in the teeth to Aletta.
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If I would have known,
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I would have never had Amanda
come to our house.
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But how are you
supposed to know?
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She ripped apart my family.
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And then they took my reputation
and squashed it.
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{\an8}Cory is kind of an enigma.
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{\an8}So many people have questions
about Cory, me included.
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Jessa!
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{\an8}- Oh!
- Ooh!
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- Play-Doh maker French fry.
- Play-Doh.
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What we do know
about Cory
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is that from a very young age,
he didn't have his father.
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His father died by suicide
when Cory was young,
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and he was raised
with his mother.
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{\an8}I became involved
with the organization,
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"Big Brothers, Little Brothers."
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And I got matched up
with this kid called Cory Riley,
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and the absolute minute
that I met him
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and the minute he met me,
it was just a really,
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really cool connection.
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Cory was super fun.
I mean, he always had a smile.
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My role was
just to give him
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some kind of a male figure
just to do stuff with,
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and he became
a huge part of my life.
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And I was proud of him
as he grew up.
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When I first met Amanda,
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Cory was so effusive and,
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"You gotta meet my wife,
you gotta meet my wife."
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And Cory,
it was almost like a...
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how you would treat a sculpture.
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I mean, he was
so enamored with her.
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And I walked away very...
you know, very happy
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that he just seemed to be
in a good place in his life.
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I knew nothing,
absolutely nothing
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about his first wife.
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{\an8}Cory and I never spoke
about his... his first wife.
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Amanda would say
how Jessa's mother
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caused them a lot of grief
and a lot of anguish.
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She didn't get her daughter
to school.
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She laid in bed all day.
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And when Cory
was married to her,
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Cory had to do all the work,
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all the housework,
all the cooking.
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Jessa was going back
and forth between Cory and I.
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{\an8}And I expected that we would
have all worked together.
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I would have never expected
that Cory and Amanda
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would try
to take custody from me.
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Amanda called Jessa
her "bonus daughter."
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And Jessa was the subject
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of an awful custody battle
for years.
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{\an8}Amanda was, like, the one
who was more pushy
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to get the custody of Jessa
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to bring her bonus daughter
to their house.
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Amanda loved
being a stepmom.
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{\an8}Amanda would talk to me
pretty openly about Jessa's mom,
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{\an8}and it seemed like Amanda
was a savior,
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is how it was painted.
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She came in
and provided stability and love,
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and Cory's ex-wife was...
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a nightmare.
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It was like something
out of Hollywood.
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Cory's ex-wife was bad news.
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{\an8}And we'd think, "Oh!
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{\an8}Well, good thing
Jessa has Amanda."
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I thought Jessa
was from one night stand.
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That's what Cory told me.
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He was a bouncer at the bar,
met this woman,
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went home with her,
and Jessa was the result of it.
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{\an8}Come on, baby.
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{\an8}
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{\an8} The one night stand,
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that makes me wonder,
how many other people
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did they tell that to?
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{\an8}Yeah! Whoo!
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Cory and I were married
for four and a half years.
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{\an8}They were married.
They had not only Jessa,
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{\an8}but they had myself.
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Like, I just-- I don't know
where that comes from.
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{\an8}My sister went through hell.
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{\an8}She went through hell.
She was in so much pain.
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I felt very threatened.
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Amanda would
sign letters at school,
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saying that she was Mom,
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and they put her as the mother
and Cory as the father
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and didn't put me down,
even as an emergency contact.
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{\an8}She texted me and said,
"Legally, I am her mother,
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{\an8}"and you are her birth mother."
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Who does that?
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I mean, there was a lot
of turmoil going on,
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but Cory told me
that she had cancer,
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and, of course, I felt horrible.
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I actually felt bad for Cory
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because he had just gone
through it with Jaymie,
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and now he's gonna go
through it with his wife.
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I don't remember exactly
when I had gotten the news
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about Amanda being sick...
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...but I know
I felt terrible for her,
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myself being a cancer survivor.
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Amanda had invited me
to a Relay for Life event,
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Pack the Park Purple,
at the San Jose Giants game.
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I went to that event,
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planning on
just keeping it to myself.
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'Cause at that time, I...
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I knew about
the custody battles.
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And then I had found out that...
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Amanda not only put it
on her blog
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that I had attended
the event with her,
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that we went together
was her narrative.
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But she had also brought it up
in court against my mom...
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that, "Oh, Jaymie and I
attended an event."
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Like, I was just
a part in her...
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grand scheme.
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And that was nowhere near
my intention of going
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to that game.
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It was a painful time when
they kept trying to get custody.
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When Cory ended up
with his high-powered attorney,
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they convinced the judge
that I was mentally unstable
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and that I was a bad parent.
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And they did finally get
full custody.
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After several years of going
back and forth in court,
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a decision was made
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to give Cory and Amanda
full custody of Jessa.
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It's hard to know why
the judge made that decision,
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given everything
that was going on,
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but Aletta was devastated.
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She was 11,
and she needed her mom.
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It didn't-- It wasn't right.
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It struck me
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that Amanda wanted
Aletta's husband.
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She wanted Aletta's daughter.
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She wanted to be Aletta.
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That's what I feel.
I think she wanted to be Aletta.
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{\an8}
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After I lost custody
of Jessa, Nancy contacted me.
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And I told her,
"They lie about everything.
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"I have really nothing good
to say about them."
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Aletta was very kind.
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{\an8}She said, "They're putting me
through hell,
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{\an8}"but Amanda is
dying with cancer,
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"and I really don't want
to say anything
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"because she's so sick."
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And that's when I felt
a little more comfortable
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of telling her
why I was looking into Amanda.
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I never thought it wasn't real.
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But when Nancy contacted me,
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I certainly wanted
to get to the truth.
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You know, my daughter's
involved here, so...
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I did not start
this investigation.
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But I was certainly gonna do
what I could
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to help them finish it.
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When I told her,
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"I don't believe Amanda
has cancer,"
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{\an8}Aletta was really helpful
in what I was doing
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{\an8}with my investigation
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because she was able
to verify different things
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just by knowing what Amanda
and Cory was up to.
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But I was keeping my focus
on Amanda
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00:27:03,331 --> 00:27:05,082
more than Cory at that point.
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If Amanda posted something
about being somewhere
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or being at the hospital,
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I could talk with Aletta
and say,
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"Okay, did you see that post?"
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And she says, "Oh, yeah,
I saw that." She said,
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"But that's weird because,
396
00:27:18,095 --> 00:27:19,471
"you know,
I spoke to Jessa last night,
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"and Amanda was
in the background."
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When my mom had told me
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{\an8}that they were looking
into Amanda for cancer fraud,
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00:27:34,737 --> 00:27:35,905
and I remember at first
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00:27:36,155 --> 00:27:37,948
thinking, like,
"There's no way."
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00:27:39,158 --> 00:27:42,870
And I remember looking
through her pictures,
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00:27:43,371 --> 00:27:45,706
her in a beanie,
"Stupid cancer,"
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her getting treatment,
this and that,
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00:27:48,125 --> 00:27:50,795
and she didn't look sick.
406
00:27:51,337 --> 00:27:55,256
When you have cancer,
it eats away from you
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00:27:55,257 --> 00:27:57,133
from the inside out,
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00:27:57,134 --> 00:28:00,095
and then the chemo comes in
to combat with that,
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00:28:00,096 --> 00:28:02,681
and that eats away at you
from the inside out,
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00:28:02,932 --> 00:28:06,185
and you...
you look like you're dying.
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00:28:08,187 --> 00:28:11,564
And Amanda...
...never looked sick.
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She looked totally fine.
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00:28:16,987 --> 00:28:20,573
And everything
started kind of clicking,
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like, what my mom had told me
about the investigation.
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00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:27,080
As my investigation
moved forward,
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I was being really careful
about who I reached out to.
417
00:28:32,002 --> 00:28:34,379
{\an8}But a few times,
I would see something
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00:28:34,380 --> 00:28:36,715
{\an8}so egregious on Amanda's blog.
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00:28:38,676 --> 00:28:41,554
{\an8}I was like, "Oh, God,
I want to let this person know."
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00:28:43,431 --> 00:28:44,764
"I have to give thanks
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to some incredible
human beings."
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00:28:47,435 --> 00:28:49,227
Angie was one of those people.
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She was
a cancer survivor herself.
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I was born with fibrosarcoma.
It's a bone spur cancer.
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00:29:10,249 --> 00:29:12,877
They operated on me
when I was two days old.
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00:29:14,295 --> 00:29:16,881
I was supposed to not make it
past age two.
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00:29:20,468 --> 00:29:22,470
Amanda, the first time
I saw her,
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I was just very intrigued
by her story...
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00:29:28,476 --> 00:29:31,187
wanting to share mine,
wanting to relate to her.
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00:29:33,564 --> 00:29:34,565
I was devoted.
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00:29:35,065 --> 00:29:35,982
Like, out of nowhere,
I was like,
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00:29:35,983 --> 00:29:37,067
"I'm gonna help you."
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00:29:40,029 --> 00:29:41,488
"In my last post,
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00:29:41,489 --> 00:29:43,406
"I mentioned Angie reached out
through a mutual friend
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00:29:43,407 --> 00:29:47,035
"and donated her entire
730-dollar commissions check
436
00:29:47,036 --> 00:29:48,454
"for the month."
437
00:29:51,707 --> 00:29:53,667
It felt really good.
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00:29:54,585 --> 00:29:57,045
After that,
I was sharing the site
439
00:29:57,046 --> 00:29:59,131
for people
to donate directly to her.
440
00:30:00,090 --> 00:30:01,133
I was actively...
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00:30:03,010 --> 00:30:04,053
promoting her.
442
00:30:06,263 --> 00:30:08,431
I'm reading it in the blog
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00:30:08,432 --> 00:30:10,683
and also on Angie's Facebook
444
00:30:10,684 --> 00:30:14,103
and, you know, Angie's posting
about how she was so moved
445
00:30:14,104 --> 00:30:16,981
by Amanda and so proud
to be able to give this money
446
00:30:16,982 --> 00:30:18,275
to her and to help her family.
447
00:30:20,110 --> 00:30:22,153
Angie was so proud
of her own daughter,
448
00:30:22,154 --> 00:30:24,322
who took money
from her piggy bank
449
00:30:24,323 --> 00:30:27,451
and her allowance
and donated it to Amanda.
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It just broke my heart.
451
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:33,582
And it was at that point I said,
"You know what?
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00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:35,543
I'm going to reach out."
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00:30:36,752 --> 00:30:38,712
My phone rang.
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00:30:40,089 --> 00:30:43,259
And she said,
"Hi, this is Nancy."
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00:30:46,303 --> 00:30:50,140
And she immediately told me
what she was working on.
456
00:30:50,808 --> 00:30:53,727
My-- Like, I--
I still, like, feel that.
457
00:30:54,937 --> 00:30:57,855
I just-- I felt so sick.
458
00:30:57,856 --> 00:31:00,567
Like, my heart, like,
459
00:31:00,568 --> 00:31:02,777
just literally went
into my stomach.
460
00:31:07,324 --> 00:31:09,743
I didn't necessarily believe
what she was saying,
461
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,538
and I didn't want
to know the truth.
462
00:31:12,997 --> 00:31:14,707
It was easier to not know.
463
00:31:15,624 --> 00:31:17,209
I didn't want to talk to Nancy.
464
00:31:17,876 --> 00:31:20,129
And then I just kind
of stopped talking to Amanda.
465
00:31:23,591 --> 00:31:26,092
Very quickly, I learned
that kind of tipping my hand
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00:31:26,093 --> 00:31:28,261
a little bit just let them know
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00:31:28,262 --> 00:31:30,514
that there was someone
looking into things.
468
00:31:32,391 --> 00:31:33,601
It just didn't go well.
469
00:31:34,977 --> 00:31:36,729
But I just kept going.
470
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,360
Nancy found that Cory
and Amanda claimed bankruptcy
471
00:31:43,652 --> 00:31:47,990
because of Amanda's
medical expenses for her cancer.
472
00:31:50,284 --> 00:31:53,746
And she just couldn't
leave it alone.
473
00:32:07,718 --> 00:32:09,802
Despite all the money
that was raised,
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00:32:09,803 --> 00:32:12,430
it never seemed to be enough
to keep up
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00:32:12,431 --> 00:32:13,891
with Amanda's medical bills.
476
00:32:17,186 --> 00:32:20,021
And eventually,
Cory and Amanda went to court
477
00:32:20,022 --> 00:32:21,732
{\an8}to claim bankruptcy
478
00:32:22,024 --> 00:32:24,609
{\an8}due to the financial hardship
of paying
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00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:26,570
for Amanda's cancer treatment.
480
00:32:31,033 --> 00:32:32,910
In those bankruptcy papers,
481
00:32:33,202 --> 00:32:36,955
{\an8}they talk about the medical debt
that they have.
482
00:32:37,831 --> 00:32:40,292
But in the meantime, there's
hundreds of people donating.
483
00:32:42,127 --> 00:32:44,045
So,
from a financial standpoint,
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00:32:44,046 --> 00:32:46,422
I remember there was one
blog post that came out,
485
00:32:46,423 --> 00:32:47,840
{\an8}and it was like,
486
00:32:47,841 --> 00:32:50,386
{\an8}"I've been chosen for some type
of trial or experiment.
487
00:32:51,804 --> 00:32:53,889
"And if we don't have
the money within a week,
488
00:32:54,139 --> 00:32:55,349
"then I can't take part
in the trial."
489
00:32:57,434 --> 00:32:59,268
"I'm working
part-time to help cover bills,
490
00:32:59,269 --> 00:33:00,895
"but the co-pays, medicines,
491
00:33:00,896 --> 00:33:04,024
"and tests still add up
so fast on top of life.
492
00:33:04,942 --> 00:33:06,734
"We're so grateful
for the insurance coverage,
493
00:33:06,735 --> 00:33:09,987
"but that's still 1,250 dollars
494
00:33:09,988 --> 00:33:11,740
"for medicine alone
every three weeks."
495
00:33:14,827 --> 00:33:16,327
And I can remember
writing a check
496
00:33:16,328 --> 00:33:18,204
for 3,000 dollars
for that trial.
497
00:33:24,503 --> 00:33:26,880
And it was
in New York, so I reached out
498
00:33:27,214 --> 00:33:29,216
to a friend of my husband's
who lived in New York.
499
00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:34,220
We used our Southwest points
to buy her plane ticket.
500
00:33:36,682 --> 00:33:38,058
There was all kinds of support.
501
00:33:48,736 --> 00:33:50,654
{\an8}I didn't have a ton of money.
502
00:33:51,071 --> 00:33:56,160
I wanted to give back to her
in a way that was meaningful.
503
00:34:00,622 --> 00:34:05,668
And one thing that I had known
about myself is
504
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:07,962
that I had
a high platelet count,
505
00:34:07,963 --> 00:34:10,799
and I was a good platelet donor.
506
00:34:15,137 --> 00:34:17,681
I would drive up
to San Jose to the Red Cross,
507
00:34:18,474 --> 00:34:21,392
get my finger pricked,
get my blood pressure and pulse,
508
00:34:21,393 --> 00:34:22,853
and if all went well,
509
00:34:23,562 --> 00:34:25,397
I would be able
to donate platelets.
510
00:34:27,483 --> 00:34:29,610
I had a "Team Amanda" magnet.
511
00:34:31,361 --> 00:34:34,239
I brought this magnet each time
I went to donate,
512
00:34:34,990 --> 00:34:36,616
and I made sure
that not only did
513
00:34:36,617 --> 00:34:39,952
I take a picture of it,
but everybody around me knew
514
00:34:39,953 --> 00:34:42,206
why I was there,
who I was donating to.
515
00:34:43,582 --> 00:34:45,125
That is how I made it
into the blog.
516
00:34:49,171 --> 00:34:51,339
"A special
shout-out to Lindsey,
517
00:34:51,340 --> 00:34:54,217
"who maxed out her platelet
donation this year in my honor.
518
00:34:54,218 --> 00:34:57,386
"You go, girl. You're helping
so many people,
519
00:34:57,387 --> 00:34:59,681
"and I feel pretty special
you do it for me."
520
00:35:00,057 --> 00:35:02,600
I felt like I had made it
into her life.
521
00:35:02,601 --> 00:35:05,020
I was one of the important
people that had
522
00:35:05,813 --> 00:35:07,438
done something for her
523
00:35:07,439 --> 00:35:09,233
that she felt the need
to mention.
524
00:35:18,116 --> 00:35:20,160
God taught me
how to be prayed for.
525
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,873
We were like,
"Let's support her," like,
526
00:35:25,874 --> 00:35:28,042
{\an8}"Look at all
that she's gone through.
527
00:35:28,043 --> 00:35:29,962
{\an8}Look at God's faithfulness
in her life."
528
00:35:30,212 --> 00:35:31,420
And now, I mean, I'm like,
529
00:35:31,421 --> 00:35:33,130
"Hands on, let's go,
everybody together."
530
00:35:35,425 --> 00:35:37,635
If you'd gone
to FCC long enough,
531
00:35:37,636 --> 00:35:39,346
you knew who Amanda Riley was.
532
00:35:42,432 --> 00:35:44,684
{\an8}My parents were members
of FCC Church,
533
00:35:44,685 --> 00:35:46,270
{\an8}and they went one Sunday.
534
00:35:48,981 --> 00:35:50,857
Amanda and Cory
ended up on stage
535
00:35:50,858 --> 00:35:53,234
and they couldn't help feel
536
00:35:53,235 --> 00:35:54,778
that the church was being
taken advantage of,
537
00:35:56,029 --> 00:35:59,074
and this was before
the investigation.
538
00:36:01,243 --> 00:36:05,288
I think my mom kind of knew
that something wasn't right,
539
00:36:05,289 --> 00:36:06,664
but you know,
it's one of those things
540
00:36:06,665 --> 00:36:09,751
you just don't say out loud.
541
00:36:11,128 --> 00:36:13,379
I just love you.
I really do.
542
00:36:13,380 --> 00:36:17,133
Amanda was really,
really highly thought of,
543
00:36:17,134 --> 00:36:21,762
and the thought that maybe
it wasn't as it seems
544
00:36:21,763 --> 00:36:23,556
was not even a possibility
545
00:36:23,557 --> 00:36:27,352
to the majority of the people
that surrounded her.
546
00:36:28,478 --> 00:36:30,563
And as my investigation
moved forward,
547
00:36:30,564 --> 00:36:34,191
one of the things Amanda
kept telling everyone was
548
00:36:34,192 --> 00:36:36,153
that Aletta hired me
549
00:36:36,778 --> 00:36:39,156
to just cause problems.
550
00:36:40,616 --> 00:36:41,908
What it looked like
to me was,
551
00:36:41,909 --> 00:36:46,412
"Oh, Cory's ex-wife
is on this vendetta.
552
00:36:46,413 --> 00:36:48,998
"She's probably jealous
that he's got this younger wife
553
00:36:48,999 --> 00:36:52,502
"and who's filling in now
as a mother to her daughter,
554
00:36:52,961 --> 00:36:56,006
"and she is going after her
and wanting to do anything. "
555
00:36:56,256 --> 00:36:57,382
And I was enraged.
556
00:37:13,523 --> 00:37:17,026
To be very clear,
Aletta did not hire me.
557
00:37:17,027 --> 00:37:18,946
I did not know Aletta.
558
00:37:20,447 --> 00:37:24,617
{\an8}But the crazy thing was,
it fit Amanda
559
00:37:24,618 --> 00:37:25,994
{\an8}and Cory's narrative,
560
00:37:27,454 --> 00:37:30,832
that there was a bitter ex-wife
that was out to get them,
561
00:37:31,541 --> 00:37:34,586
and I just found that--
It's just outrageous.
562
00:37:36,755 --> 00:37:39,758
{\an8}Lisa had told me she had
contacted law enforcement.
563
00:37:40,425 --> 00:37:43,095
She had left messages
on a tip line.
564
00:37:44,262 --> 00:37:45,972
But she wasn't sure
565
00:37:45,973 --> 00:37:48,891
if they had been checking
anything out.
566
00:37:55,023 --> 00:37:56,983
{\an8}So, that's when
I started calling
567
00:37:56,984 --> 00:37:59,820
the San Jose Police Department
and asking questions.
568
00:38:00,779 --> 00:38:03,240
Who would handle
a fraud case like this?
569
00:38:03,657 --> 00:38:05,158
Who would--
Who could I contact there?
570
00:38:07,619 --> 00:38:10,788
I was eventually directed
to Detective Jose Martinez
571
00:38:10,789 --> 00:38:12,833
in the Financial Fraud Unit.
572
00:38:18,839 --> 00:38:21,008
I am Detective Jose Martinez.
573
00:38:22,175 --> 00:38:24,677
{\an8}I was an investigator
574
00:38:24,678 --> 00:38:25,970
{\an8}with the San Jose
Police Department
575
00:38:25,971 --> 00:38:27,931
at the time
of this investigation.
576
00:38:31,393 --> 00:38:33,686
Detective Martinez
reached out and said,
577
00:38:33,687 --> 00:38:35,605
you know, "I'm the only person
in this department."
578
00:38:36,565 --> 00:38:38,608
And he had checked out that
579
00:38:39,192 --> 00:38:41,862
there wasn't already
an open case,
580
00:38:42,112 --> 00:38:44,530
but that he was interested
in checking things out.
581
00:38:48,702 --> 00:38:49,994
I remember that phone call...
582
00:38:49,995 --> 00:38:54,249
...because it was not
a common case.
583
00:38:55,917 --> 00:39:00,379
I had never had a crime
where somebody was pretending
584
00:39:00,380 --> 00:39:03,133
to be sick with cancer.
585
00:39:05,427 --> 00:39:07,511
So,
when something's unique,
586
00:39:07,512 --> 00:39:11,057
it kind of gives you
a little motivation
587
00:39:11,058 --> 00:39:12,184
to look at it a little more.
588
00:39:12,642 --> 00:39:14,436
But you have to be realistic.
589
00:39:15,812 --> 00:39:17,980
So, when that phone call
came in,
590
00:39:17,981 --> 00:39:21,859
I wasn't sure if it was
just an angry family member
591
00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:25,154
or somebody who was scorned,
592
00:39:25,155 --> 00:39:27,407
just trying to get somebody
in trouble.
593
00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:30,827
I had compiled
a good amount
594
00:39:31,161 --> 00:39:32,662
and so I had
that information for him
595
00:39:33,330 --> 00:39:35,790
and what Amanda was saying
in the blog.
596
00:39:39,461 --> 00:39:41,922
Nancy was really persistent.
597
00:39:42,923 --> 00:39:46,300
She knows how to find things.
She was like a bulldog.
598
00:39:46,301 --> 00:39:48,594
You know, she just kept coming
at the information
599
00:39:48,595 --> 00:39:49,888
and bringing it.
600
00:39:50,847 --> 00:39:53,850
I thought,
"Okay. This is interesting,
601
00:39:54,518 --> 00:39:56,853
No doubt.
But how do I prove it?"
602
00:39:59,397 --> 00:40:02,399
I knew that this wasn't
going to be an easy road.
603
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,778
That it's very difficult to,
604
00:40:05,779 --> 00:40:08,280
you know, prove that someone
doesn't have cancer
605
00:40:08,281 --> 00:40:09,907
when everything out there is,
606
00:40:09,908 --> 00:40:12,868
"Not only do I have cancer,
but here's pictures
607
00:40:12,869 --> 00:40:13,829
to prove it," right?
608
00:40:17,916 --> 00:40:20,042
{\an8} There was no reason
for us to doubt
609
00:40:20,043 --> 00:40:21,920
that she was telling the truth.
610
00:40:23,004 --> 00:40:24,965
We believed everything
that came out of her mouth.
611
00:40:27,134 --> 00:40:29,802
If Amanda
truly was faking cancer,
612
00:40:29,803 --> 00:40:31,721
there's a real seriousness
to this
613
00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:34,850
because she harmed
a lot of people.
614
00:40:36,810 --> 00:40:38,269
You don't ever want to know
615
00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:41,273
that people are living
in the world faking cancer.
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