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Tell me what you see and feel.

Is there anyone else there with you?

I don't see him.

You don't see your husband? Okay.

Do they think that your incident was

before or after the other one?

I believe, 'cause I was watching them from my car,

so I know it had to been asked of them-

Oh, so you watched it from your car before?

Yes.

You may have heard this story from the '70s.

Two men fishing on the river say aliens grabbed them.

Now, 45 years later, for the first time,

a witness is coming forward,

saying she saw this alien encounter.

Two of the main witnesses that came out,

I told you Karen Nelson interviewed Calvin

and she filmed it as well.

So she made a little sort of

eight minute mini documentary

that when you read the newspaper online,

there was the little documentary with it.

Somebody took that and put it on YouTube.

And I'm reading the comments under it

and one of the comments said,

"My mother and father were on the opposite side

of the river that night and they saw the UFO."

On the same October, 1973 night,

not far from where the marker will be placed

on the East Bank of the river,

Maria Blair was waiting with her husband, Jerry Blair,

for him to leave on a boat to work offshore.

What she saw that night is something

she's telling for the first time publicly.

It was a warm night. It was like 70, 73 degrees.

And so it was kind of easy to sit in the car

and just wait for the captain to get there.

While they were waiting, Jerry went to sleep.

My husband was supposed to catch a boat out

that was already at the dock.

He worked on a offshore crew boat.

And he was supposed to met the captain there

and went out on the boat and he worked on for John Graham

and he was catching a boat, so that's why we were there.

But see, back then they didn't have phones,

so there was no way that they could get in touch with us.

And I told my husband since they told us

that he was gonna be late getting there

because the bad weather over the beach, I said,

"We might as well just sit here,

because they can't call us or anything."

So we were sitting there waiting on him.

Okay.

This was 2018.

Because you guys had just published..

Yeah. So I thought, "Wow."

So I found this person and it was a young lady

and I said, "Who are your mum and dad

and could we speak to them?"

I explained the reason why.

She come back and said, "Yeah, it's Maria and Jerry Blair.

Here's the phone number, they're expecting your call."

So I phoned up, spoke to Maria, Mrs. Blair.

The young lady who made that comment

was her youngest daughter.

They told the girls about seeing the UFO, but that was it.

The only person I ever talked to about it was my kids.

I never said anything to anybody, I never talked about it.

And how would it come up

with the conversation to your kids?

Was it were they little or grown up or..

Whenever like if they heard something like that

on the news or heard something like that.

Because I used to cry

whenever I would start talking about it,

I would get very upset, start crying.

And I knew there was something that I seen

or something happened to me, but I just didn't know what,

and I would start crying.

So you kind of like knew something-

It was in my subconscious mind

that I knew something had happened to me,

but I didn't know what.

Yeah, it's been accepted now in Pascagoula.

This is part of their town's history

and they now welcome it with open arms.

There is a historical marker close to the site

where the encounter happened,

that was officially unveiled in 2019 by the mayor.

That was where Calvin first met Maria and Jerry Blair.

They came along to it

and they were interviewed for the local television,

but only then talking about these

strange lights they'd seen.

It didn't go into any detail about anything else.

Now with a 45-year-old secret

washed under the bridge,

Maria met Calvin face-to-face for the first time.

- How are you?

I'm good.

I know. Are you okay?

Yeah, I'm fine. - Oh, wow.

- That's my husband, Jerry. - How are you doing?

Nice to meet you. - Last time I saw you

you was on Johnny Carr.

Yeah! - When was that,

about '74, '75? - '75.

We've been friends, we just didn't know it.

We just didn't know it. That's right.

It didn't take long

for the conversation to turn to what's brought

Calvin and Maria together.

Yeah, it's burnt right in my mind, that night.

It is mine, too.

I seen it go up from right here.

That's when I seen it in the air and the blue light

and it took off that way and it followed along that river.

Calvin's story has been questioned

and doubted for most of his life.

He says he had lost all hope of a witness coming forward,

but now he and Maria both have a sense of relief.

And that night, October the 11th,

Jerry worked for a company that used to service the oil rigs

out in the Gulf.

And they were on the opposite side of the river.

The boat was there, ready to take him out,

but his supervisor was late.

It was a warm night.

It was like 70, 73 degrees.

And so it was kind of easy to sit in the car

and just wait for the captain to get there.

While they were waiting, Jerry went to sleep.

He decides to have a sleep in the car.

And Maria said, "We see this thing"

over the opposite side of the river.

"It's going up and down."

She says, "If it's an airplane,

it obviously doesn't know where it is."

She knew the area, so there's nowhere to land over there.

You know, there's no landing strip.

She alerts Jerry and he says,

"Oh, that must be a helicopter."

And they think... So it was kind of

like hovering over..

It was moving, coming and going, zigzagging around.

She said it was either it didn't know where it was going

or it was looking for something.

It seemed to be scared. - Yeah.

I mean, I didn't know what was happening,

what was going on. I was just watching what was going on,

but I didn't know exactly what it was.

Until later on.

And then they come back out, they brought 'em out

and took 'em back down to the waterfront,

set 'em down where they were at before.

Wow. - And that's when

they got back in the craft and took off, straight up.

So how long do you think they were-

They were in there about 30 minutes.

So we're speaking to 'em, and when Mrs. Blair

talked about this thing, she said to me,

"Phillip, I often wondered if something similar

didn't happen to us that's happened to Charlie and Calvin."

I said, "Well, why do you say that?"

She says, "I've got these images, you know",

out of the side of my eyes, I can't quite make them out,

"but there's something there."

So I said, "Okay."

I passed this on to my colleague, Dr. Scott,

who interviewed them both in full.

I really didn't know what had happened,

'cause I didn't know for years, 50 years later

"until I knew what actually happened to me."

And she kept in contact with Maria

for a couple of years.

You know, either on the phone

or by text message or whatever.

Then Jerry takes ill, seriously ill,

and he's in the hospital and he says to Maria,

"I've got something to tell you."

Because he thinks this might be his last-

Yeah, yeah.

So what was the situation

when Jerry came out and said that-

He was in the hospital in Providence Hospital

and he was fixing to talk about it.

And I said, "Wait a minute, lemme get my phone."

So I grabbed my phone. - Good for you.

Yeah.

Got my phone started videoing him talking about it.

And that's when he said that I did see

what my wife seen that night, I lied.

I did see what she seen,

but I lied about it because I was scared

people would think I was crazy.

Why do you think he needed to come forward

and tell that? - Because

it would help me out. - Okay.

It helped him out.

We needed to know,

we needed to get all this out in the open.

And he said, "We were abducted that night."

And this is 2020, thereabouts, maybe '21.

And he explains to her that they were abducted

and he said, "I was just trying to protect you."

He had full waking memory of that moment,

but she did not. - She did not.

When he started to tell her what had happened,

these little images that she... On the side of her-

That she thought was in her peripheral vision,

they weren't actually, they were actually through her eyes

when this creature had come up out of the water,

she closed her eyes and she's squinting through her eyes.

That's what she can see, you know,

because it wasn't in the peripheral vision.

It's through almost closed eyes,

she could just peep out of them.

Because she was in such terror.

Absolutely.

So, even though Jerry's seriously ill, she said,

"You've got some explaining to do, Mr."

Not only that, Darcy, Jerry insisted

that she phone me from the hospital

and Jerry phoned me and he's in his hospital bed

and he said, "I saw the same as my wife that night."

You know, "I've been lying all these years.

I said I didn't see anything, but I did."

And then she made..

He made his wife Maria, film him

on the mobile phone, which we have.

Thank you. - I lied all them years,

saying I didn't see what my wife saw.

I did see it, I just didn't want to admit it

because I was afraid how people would look at me.

But I saw exactly what she described as an object,

a person, a humanoid in the water

that I kept telling her was a porpoise was not a porpoise,

it was a humanoid figure that was in the water.

It made the splashing noise

and I also saw the blue light when they come down

and the people, humanoids leaving us,

not coming to us, but leaving us.

I don't remember seeing 'em come to us,

but I remember seeing 'em leaving

and go back across the river to

their spaceship or whatever it was.

But that's as much as I remember.

And I hope you get this on recording,

'cause this may be all that's left for me.

I want my wife to understand. Bye.

I said, "What happened to us that night, Jerry?"

There was only two people, exactly what I told him.

I said, "It wasn't but two people on that pier that night.

It was you and me. So you better start talking.

You better start telling me something."

And that's when he broke loose and said that

they had abducted us and I had to read his lips.

And I said, "What did they do to us?"

He said, "They took us to the spaceship."

And he said they took us to the ship.

He didn't say spaceship in front, he said to the ship,

and I said, "A boat?"

He said, "No, a spaceship."

How did you feel when he said that?

Chills. Just chills.

He had an operation.

He survived that, but it was only a respite,

it wasn't a cure.

And he died some months later.

And Maria was as mad as hell with him.

She loved her husband, you know,

but she was..

So she asked us if she could go under hypnosis.

And I said, "No, we're not going down that route."

We'll leave that for now.

"Your husband's not long died," you know.

She came back last year, 2022, mentioned it again.

I said, "Well, look, okay, I'll see what I can do.

I won't make any promises."

I found a local professional hypnotherapist

who would come out to clients.

In Mississippi? - Yeah, in Mississippi.

Not far from Pascagoula itself.

So we arranged for Maria to undergo hypnosis.

We actually conducted it at Calvin's house.

She'd met Calvin since then,

become friends with him and Wynette.

Calvin had had hypnosis before, so he knew the score.

He knew what to expect.

What we didn't tell the hypnotherapist

was anything about it.

Nothing.

All she knew was a date, time, and location.

She had no idea what we were doing it for.

And she wasn't giving any questions to us,

so it was literally put Maria under hypnosis and away we go.

Very good. And one more time, eyes open, closed.

Three times as deep as before.

So I'm going to now

pick up your hand.

Okay. Just let it fall where it may.

Okay.

All right.

Very good. Top of the stairs.

Step nine, step down.

Going further, getting closer to that date.

Another step, eight. Going down.

Seven, step down.

Step six.

Five.

Four.

Getting closer.

Three.

Nothing to fear.

Two.

And one.

You're there. October 11th, 1973.

All right, now Maria, tell me what do you see

or feel in this moment?

Scared. - Okay.

It's okay.

It's okay, there's nothing to fear.

Nothing to fear.

Just keep telling me what you see and feel.

Is there anyone else there with you?

Yes. - Okay, and who is that?

You don't know.

So you're not familiar, okay.

No one that you're familiar with.

My husband. - Your husband, okay.

What's your husband... I don't see him.

I'm sorry, say that again?

I don't see him.

You don't see your husband, okay.

Do you feel any other presence around you?

Okay, focus in on that presence.

Focus in power of your mind.

Get a little closer if you can.

And tell me what is this presence?

I don't know what it is. - Okay.

I've never seen anything like that.

Okay.

Their boat is sat at the end of the pier.

So they get Jerry's clothing and what have you.

And they start to walk along the pier

and Maria says there's this splash in the water.

And she says this, these are her words.

This gray man comes out of the water

in front of her.

She calls it this gray man.

And she says, "It terrified the living daylights out of me,

but then it went back into the water,

went under and didn't come back up."

So she run to the boat,

threw Jerry's clothes on him, literally.

And she said this was around nine o'clock.

At night? - At night.

So it's pitch dark. - Yeah, it's dark.

What did the gray man look like?

She said she did not have a great view of it,

'cause it was so close to her and she was so scared.

She said, "But it looked like a person, but it was gray."

Like a human? - Humanoid.

And... Big eyes?

No, no, she couldn't-

She didn't go into any details. Not really, no.

When I told you I seen,

I heard something go in the water, splash in the water,

and then I seen them come up, what I seen of it was scary.

I just remembered it had wrinkled skin.

Just the wrinkled skin and an ugly face.

They were gray.

Gray and then, can you recall at all

how big they were, like the size?

Well, the ones that grabbed my husband,

I didn't actually, they were down there where he was

and when he grabbed me, so I didn't have a chance to see

what was going on down there with him,

'cause he was further down the pier than I was.

So when he grabbed me, he kept coming right up on me

and he got me-

From the front or from the back?

Well, I was kinda like standing like this.

Okay. Crazy.

So then I guess this is, what did the creature do?

He just put me out.

He just put me out and put me to sleep

or whatever he did to me, put me outta my reality,

I don't know.

What did Jerry see?

Well, he's told me, like I said,

he told me that there was three of them

and he said the one that was out in the front

was the leader.

He was telling the other ones what to do.

And they were telling the other ones just to get me.

And he told them not to hurt me.

But here's the interesting thing.

They put Jerry's clothes on this boat

that's gonna go out into the gulf,

and then she runs down the pier to go back to the car.

But it's now 12 o'clock.

So it's three hours gone, in the blink of an eye.

But yeah, I had missing time.

We were like, good while we were gone for a good while.

So when you came back,

it was way later than it should have been.

Yeah, and it was like, I just remember them putting me,

back where I was at, I didn't have no reality

that I had actually went anywhere, you know,

because I had no idea.

I was just there.

And when I come to, I kind of like, I looked around,

looked back and not even knowing

that something had happened to me, but it did.

And when I looked out from back, I could see the creature,

there was the alien going away from us.

He was going back to the ship

and he's floating across the Pascagoula River,

he's floating.

And my husband said when they left him,

he said that he watched them.

He said he kept his eye on that one.

They never leave you alone.

I've seen him a whole bunch of times

and sometimes whenever they get you when you asleep,

it's just like they did you the first night

that I had seen them, when they'll come in,

they'll put you out just like they did me that night,

like put me in a sleep.

And I even sent a picture

where they was putting me out and I didn't know,

I knew I was fixing to go to sleep

and I knew why I was going to sleep,

but there's nothing you can do about it.

And then when you wake up,

you don't know how long you've been out.

All right, just let that scene flow.

Just report back and just tell us about

what you're seeing or feeling there.

Let us know what happens next.

He grabs me. - Okay.

Keep going.

picks me up.

Pick you up, okay.

Okay, very good.

Now let's see what happens next.

I don't know where my husband is.

Okay, so you're worried about your husband.

Yes. - Okay.

You're afraid, you want your husband there with you,

but he's not there.

Okay, let's see where you are being taken

or what this force does to you after you're being grabbed.

And that's when we walked down to the pier

and that's when they shot over there as fast as they could,

because that's what they wanted us to do.

They wanted to get over there where they could abduct us.

Oh my gosh.

And it's just right there.

I mean, you just nowhere you could go.

There was nothing you could, and when I seen, I think,

"Oh my gosh, I thought I knew everything about this.

Well, what is these things? What is this?"

And I'm just frightened to death.

But then I just, they just took me outta my reality,

I just passed out or they put me to sleep or whatever.

I don't recall anything,

I don't know what happened to me after that.

But I do remember floating right before

I got to the spacecraft.

I remember opening this eye

and I was peeking through my eye

and I could see the light coming through the door

of the spacecraft and I could sense

that there was something over here behind me,

but I didn't look.

And you couldn't move nothing but your eyeballs.

You couldn't move your head, you couldn't move nothing.

And so it just floated me in

and then I just went back out.

Floating in the air.

Okay. Floating in the air, okay.

So allow yourself to float in the air

and we're gonna see for a while.

And you have no control.

You can't escape from it or nothing?

No. - Okay.

Just let yourself float.

I'm floating. - Okay.

It's got a door open and it's taking me to the door.

Oval shape.

But I just want my husband.

I'm inside.

All right, we're inside now.

Just let it continue.

Let's see where you go, where you're taken.

Are you fighting to get away from this being or anything?

Are you just gonna just... No.

You can't do anything?

You can't... No, I can't do nothing.

Okay. Okay.

All right.

Just let the scene flow.

See if we can look around, if you can.

Look around, see if you can describe anything that you see.

There's nothing in there.

A table. - Okay.

What's going on?

They're laying me on the table.

You laying on the table?

Yes. - Okay.

All right, we're just gonna lay there

and we're gonna see what happens next.

Yes, they left me. - Okay.

I'm just laying there.

You still have your clothes on and everything?

Yes. - Okay.

I don't know where they went.

You don't know where they went, okay.

Okay. One, two, three.

You're there now.

And someone is in the room?

Yes. - With you.

All right, let us know what's going on.

They're looking at me.

Okay. How do you feel in this moment?

I don't know what to feel. I don't know where I am.

Okay.

So this room is completely empty

except for the table and the being or beings?

Yes. - That are there.

How many presences are there besides you?

Three. - Okay.

Are you receiving any communication from them at all?

They're just trying to comfort me.

Okay.

Are you not able to get comfortable

like they're wanting you to?

- I can read their minds. - You can read their minds?

Yes. - Okay.

Let's see what you're receiving

from their minds.

I don't..

It's okay.

Just go ahead and speak and just let it flow.

They want my eggs.

They want your eggs? - Yes.

Okay.

That's what they telling me. - Okay.

I'm saying no. - You're saying no?

Yes.

Okay. - They put me out.

They put you out? - Yeah.

Out of the room? - No.

I don't know nothing.

So you're not aware of what's going on?

No. - Okay.

Transfer your consciousness outside of your body

for a moment to where you're an observer in the room.

You're an invisible observer.

Let's go ahead and fast forward a little bit

and let's see what they do next.

After you're telling them no, after they take you out.

They're not wanting me to know what they're doing.

They don't want you to know. - No.

Fast forward a little bit

and let's see if they end up touching you

in any kind of way after they put you out.

Some kind of machine. - Okay.

Run it down my body.

Machine running down your body?

Yes. - All right.

Focus in on that machine.

Focus in on everything that's going on,

any information that you receive.

They're so..

Things I never seen before.

They're so smart.

Over my body.

Over your body, okay. - Yes.

So you're lying face up

and the machine is facing down above you.

What they're doing is

collecting my DNA and my eggs.

Collecting DNA and eggs.

Yes, and they run the machine on me.

And it does it all.

It doesn't hurt.

Doesn't hurt. - No.

Let it do what it's doing, allow it to do.

And it's taking information.

I said they wanna hurt me.

I'm so scared.

Okay, you're scared, okay.

But they're not hurting me.

Okay. Okay.

I just want to go see my husband.

I don't know where he is.

Okay.

They just tell me he is near.

Okay. What happens next?

Being grabbed by the arm again.

Picked me up.

Okay, they pick you up?

Yes. The same one.

Okay. - Picked up me before.

But I'm still out.

They don't want me to know what's going on.

I know their presence,

but I don't know what's going on or what's happening.

Can we get someone from Maria's spiritual team

to help us out here to receive the answer

about these beings taking her eggs and DNA

on the night of October 11th, 1973?

You could give Maria the answer.

Children. - Children.

Children. - Children, okay.

They're children. - They're children?

Yes. - All right.

Can we get a little bit more information? What's the goal?

What's the end goal

of these beings doing that?

Make children that look like people.

Make children look like people.

More like us.

Like humans? - Like humans.

Okay.

And what is the purpose of that?

What is the ultimate purpose?

Let's see if we can get that answer.

So they can live among us.

So that they can live

among us humans on earth?

Yes.

Know more about us.

Know more about us humans? - Yes.

So the beings want it to be about them ultimately,

but they need a disguise.

They need their children to look like humans.

So they can roam the earth and look like

they can make a child that look like people.

What is their mission? Their ultimate mission?

To be among us.

To help mankind. - To help mankind.

Very good.

I'm just wondering if I'm really not me,

you know, a lot of times I'd think that,

am I really the girl they took?

I might be somebody else. I might be a clone or something.

That's a scary feeling.

And I'm thinking, "Am I," and it bothers you.

Am I been living a life a lies?

Am I really me or am I somebody else?

It's almost like a... I'm not sure-

What's it called when they ghost-

So it basically takes over you.

Yeah. I'm thinking to myself, "Am I really me?"

'cause I really don't know what they did,

'cause I was out.

So am I really me or I'm somebody else

- or I'm something else. - I think you're you.

Take me out, spacecraft.

Out of the spacecraft.

And where is that?

You're back at the pier.

Do you see the surrounding of the pier?

You're back on Earth.

Okay.

And tell me what it is that you feel,

what are your emotions?

Are you handled gently when you're put back or..

Yes. - Okay.

Are there any parting words from the being

when you're dropped off?

No. - Okay.

He's in a hurry. - He's in a hurry, okay.

Catching up to the other ones.

Okay. Keep going.

And he floats off and looks back at me.

But he's still moving.

Okay, how about your husband?

Let's see if we can locate your husband.

Does he enter the scene at any time?

I turn around and he's standing on the pier.

He's acting like he was waiting for me.

He picks his clothes up and says, "Let's get on the boat."

I thought my life was over.

You thought your life was over?

Yes.

In the moment that you were grabbed?

Yes.

Let's see if we can find out if

you will have any future experiences

like you did that night or was that all

for this lifetime as Maria?

I think he's never been the same.

Something to do with my husband.

Some kind of agreement he'd made with him.

Okay.

Some kind of agreement with your husband and the beings?

Yes.

Let's see if we can explore that a little bit.

They said that he told him not to let me know.

I think he's seen them before that night.

I think he has been aware of them before that night.

Okay.

Let's see if we can get some more information about that.

I don't know where, but he had.

He knew of them.

For the years.

Oh, for a while he's known, okay.

Yes.

He said that he had seen them, but he didn't wanna see 'em.

Okay. Keep going.

So he knew what they were

and what they were capable of doing,

but I didn't.

And he didn't want me to know.

Okay.

He had a agreement with them

that they would bring me back safe

and not let me know what they were doing.

He knew they were gonna take me.

He knew that they were gonna come get me.

He knew.

I don't know what he had with them.

Yeah.

But he knew.

He was close by when I was..

When I was in the spacecraft.

He was there.

So it sounds like you feel betrayed somewhat,

maybe about that, yeah?

Yeah, I can understand that.

Let's see if we can get your higher self to kind of

see if we can come to some kind of understanding.

We can help Maria out with this knowledge

about her husband knowing what was gonna happen.

He didn't want 'em to do it, but they did.

But here was nothing he could do about it.

Okay. Sounds like for benevolent reasons.

For good, for the highest of good.

To make the human race better, perhaps.

To make their race better.

Their race better, okay.

So perhaps they want to eventually inhabit the Earth.

They can't right now because of how they look.

Yes. - Okay.

It would scare us, okay.

So they can't complete their mission without

manipulating our DNA so that they can look like us

and come to earth be among us.

They're among us now.

Okay. - They're among us now.

Okay. So they've got some down here already.

Yes. - And they're pouring in more

and more as time goes by.

Yes. - Okay.

They have people who drive cars.

They're humanoids that drive cars.

They look like us, but they're not real.

They control their cars.

The humanoids control the cars

that the humanoids are in that look like us.

But they're not real.

It was a 2018 Kia Optima. - Wow.

And my car was right at the door.

So this wasn't even that long ago?

No, it was a 2018 Kia. - Oh my god.

And my car was parked right at the, I mean,

they used to mess with me all the time.

- How many times? - When I was in Pascagoula,

they would tell me when I was in Mobile,

when I'd get off from there, down in Mobile,

they'd tell me to go to Pascagoula.

They would just say go to Pascagoula.

Just go to Pascagoula. Yeah.

I'd go to Pascagoula.

To do what there?

They would just put me to sleep.

They would just put me to sleep and put me out.

And you'd wake up in Pascagoula?

I'd be out in Pascagoula somewhere.

Wow.

So how many times do you think something like that happened?

Oh, that happens a lot of times.

And one time I was over there right in front of

River Hospital.

And that's what they most of told me

to go park in front of this hospital.

And I would go there

and park right where the emergency room is right there.

And there's, you know, they got the ducks and pond.

And I would pull up there, it'd be at night, late at night,

and I'd pull up there and as soon as I get,

I'd be so sleepy and I would like just fall out.

And when I'd come to, that's where I'd be.

A lot of times I tell you, it's like they

warn you of something before it happens.

Oh, okay. Interesting.

Like, has that ever happened?

Like what have they warned you of?

Oh, you know, like if you're driving or something

to be careful of such and such intersection

or it's just certain things.

So in some ways do you feel like

they've protected you?

Yeah, they protect me.

So you feel like they protect you?

- They protect, they do. - They do protect you?

Yes, they do. - Okay.

They do. - And so what-

They're with me, 'cause I'm always alone

and they're always there with me.

Are they being born through..

Yes. - Okay.

They're born through a woman, okay.

They implant in women.

They implanted in women.

They want the embryos and stuff to put in women

and that's why they wanted mine.

Okay.

And what their DNA, changing their DNA,

that's what they wanted to do to me and my children.

And whatever they did to Jerry,.

Okay.

So you became impregnated with one of the embryos?

Yes.

And you gave birth to one of their hybrids?

Yes.

Give us a little more about that.

Where's the child or children now?

I don't know. - Okay.

Okay, that's fine.

I have a daughter that could be one of them.

But you don't know for sure, okay.

Well, I know her DNA's different.

Okay.

How do you know that?

Okay.

And what do we get with that?

She has an extra chromosome.

She has one from me, one from her Daddy,

and an extra chromosome.

I know she's different.

She's very strong.

How do they check on you? Like in what kind of way?

Put me unconscious and I don't know.

Okay.

But they've been there, but they have.

I wake up.

So it sounds like they come

maybe when you're asleep at night maybe or something.

Okay. Anything else?

They're always there. They're always around.

Okay.

So despite,

somehow you're able to communicate.

I can communicate. They've communicated with me a lot.

A lot of times they'll mess with your mind too.

You be trying to talk and they'll come in your mind

and mess up your thought train, train of thought.

Like when, how so?

Like, what's an example?

It's like right now, they're in my mind

and if they don't want you to talk about something,

most of the time they don't want you talking about 'em.

And then they kind of stop you and-

Yeah, they mess up your mind.

Do you feel like that's happening right now?

Yeah. - I don't wanna make you

feel uncomfortable, though.

Do you want me to turn... No, you're fine.

You're fine, but a lot of times

they'll get your train of thought.

Okay, so if you ever wanna stop

at any time, tell me.

I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine,

but it's sometimes when, what I was gonna say was

whenever I would get up in the morning, I'd wake up,

I'd have like bruises on my arm.

And you could see where they grabbed your arm, like this.

You'd have a bruise on your arm when they grabbed your arm

or this arm or somewhere.

And you could see like a little, like a fingerprint.

You could tell that was like a pressure.

Like a pressure on it or your legs, grab your leg.

You'd have a bruise on it.

Oh, back when I was over here in Mississippi,

it happened a lot.

But I was working over here at the station

and sometimes I get so sleepy,

but one night I was coming from my daughter's,

up in Coleman and I just, it was at night

and I was trying to find some cheaper gas

from where it was on the interstate.

And so I turned off on the side,

I mean, I don't know how I got down there.

There's a lot of times I would I be somewhere

and I don't even know how I got there and-

That's that missing time thing?

Yeah. And when I came to, I was at,

it was a place where they do exercising, fitness center.

I would crawl there and sleep in a fitness center.

And I'm thinking, "How did I get here?"

They don't try to hurt you.

Nope. - That's good.

That was the agreement my husband had with them.

So I'm not scared of them anymore.

Okay, not afraid, okay. Very good.

Very good.

Now we're gonna begin counting down.

Three, slowly reorientating your consciousness.

Returning back to full waking focus, back to the room here.

Two, deep breath in.

And realizing

the experiences you had in the short session

are beneficial to you.

You remember everything

that you experienced while you went within,

back to the memory of October 11th, 1973.

You remember everything.

One, eyes open, feeling very refreshed.

Renewed and pleasant.

Hello, beautiful.

Hi. - Hi.

I am.

You don't have to make any sudden moves.

Just allow yourself.

Allow yourself to reintegrate and all that.

Soak in everything you experienced.

My granddaughter, we were over on the other street

where she lived at and she says, "Mama," she said,

"Can you get me a spacecraft

where I can see what it looks like?"

You know, "Get one to come up, where I can see it?"

Because you had told her that you had-

Yeah. And I said, "I can do that."

And so I'm pathologically talking to him.

And so when I went from that street over to the other street

where the school is, when we're coming down that street,

at the end of that street, there's a caution light

and there's a three-way stop.

And there's a little convenience store out here

and there's a church over here.

And people were coming down the church

and I'm coming up the street and I had to slow up,

because it was coming towards me.

And it got right over the hood of my car.

And I told her, I said, "Do you see it?"

And she's looking at it and I said, "Look how pretty it is."

And she was looking at it and just

after a few minutes, it just backed off.

Was that during the day or at night?

It was at night. - At night.

And so could you see the craft at all?

Like what colors and shape and everything it was?

The craft looked like,

just like the one that I seen that night.

It was kinda like shaped like a football.

But the colors was so pretty. It was like red, green, blue.

It was all different colors. It was like a merry-go-round.

And I said, "Look how pretty it is."

And were they flashing lights?

Yeah, flashing lights.

And how old was your granddaughter?

Well, at the time, she was probably about 12.

Okay. - And she says,

"Mama, don't tell anybody else that I told you I seen that."

When we seen this face, the UFO that night in Theodore,

we was the only one that seen it.

Nobody else seen it.

It was a bunch of people coming outta the church.

But nobody else seen it, but me and my granddaughter.

So they can fix who they want to see them

or the spacecraft or whatever.

They're so advanced.

Were those people still inside

or were they outside?

They were outside the church.

And they couldn't see it, but you could?

Yeah. - Oh, wow.

Nobody even talked about it.

Nobody's even talked, "Well, there's this UFO

over here in the Theodore," nobody's saying nothing.

No fears, everything's all right.

I'm fine.

I had no idea about what actually happened to me.

And both of you had

just left in different directions?

Yeah, he left and went out on the boat and I went home.

Interesting. All right, so then-

And he never talked about it to me.

He never wanted to talk about it.

He never said nothing to me.

And he knew all this stuff. He knew everything.

He knew everything that happened that night.

'Cause he was strong.

He knew what happened.

So why do you think he didn't say anything?

Well, it was just like he told Calvin.

He said, "'Cause people would think I was crazy."

And I even asked that to him before he died.

I said, "Do you remember me saying

there's somebody out there, I can see 'em?"

And he said, "Yes, I do." And he said, "I lied about that.

"I did see what you see." - Wow.

"But I didn't want people to think I was crazy."

He even told Phillip that.

It was okay.

My water.

That's mine right here.

I got one.

And you know, we recorded the hypnosis

with a professional film cameraman.

And we've transcribed it

and every word of it is in our book.

The only bit that's not in is when they're

putting her under hypnosis.

There's no point in that.

But every word she says is in the new book.

And make of it what you will,

I've since interviewed Maria.

A colleague of mine over there did it on an iPhone.

And she said that

she could see what was happening

to Charlie and Calvin, you know,

she was a witness to the events that night.

And, you know, she's had subsequent visitations,

shall we say, but not necessarily in person,

but rather on a psychological-

Perspective... Perspective, you know.

I wanna get in the shot too.

All right, count of three.

One, two, three.

Get her? Okay, thank you.