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Board the craft that I know of.

Make sure you're really comfortable

and just own that sofa there.

Listening quietly to the sound of my voice.

And Calvin, while you're listening quietly

to the sound of my voice

and concentrating for a few moments on your breathing.

How about that breathing there?

Under hypnosis with Bud,

he talked about two encounters as a young fella,

and you know, this woman was in all four of them.

She was, you know, connecting the dots,

if you like to speak, you know?

And the encounter in '93, he said,

I've had enough of this shit.

You know, he said, I'm getting hold of her,

and if there's a door, you know, we're going out of it.

Slowly and steadily.

Just as though maybe perhaps you were sound asleep,

or maybe pretending to be asleep.

Slowly and steadily.

Inhale and exhale.

One of his friends knew a little bit about UFOs,

and he said, do you know Bud Hopkins is speaking in Florida

at a convention this weekend.

He explained to him, you know, who put Hopkins was?

I think you ought see him.

So him and his pal literally jumped in the car,

drove to Florida from Mississippi, unannounced.

The convention was in a hotel, found the hotel.

His friend went in to see Bud.

Calvin wouldn't go in.

Bud says, here's my room key, I'll meet you there.

Calvin tells him everything.

So Bud puts him under hypnosis in the hotel,

and I managed to get a copy of the tape.

And when you listen to it all, Darcy,

Calvin also had two encounters as a young boy

with four in total, it's all on the tape.

And we've transcribed it all, it's all available.

And the common denominator amongst all

of these encounters is this woman.

You have no ugly creatures in the early encounters,

just this female.

Now imagining perhaps just how comfortable

you might look or feel

while you're relaxing there.

I will say, my hat is off to these experts

who have really carved the path

for hypnotic regression and things like that.

In many cases, I don't even think people are really being

regressed to remember something they couldn't remember.

What is actually happening under regression

is they are just lowering the freaking stress level

that they've been under hiding this fact.

And it takes a long time to relax a person

into a place where they can access

the deeper accesses of their memory.

And I think as more of us learn

to be able to do that kind of work ourselves,

I think that's what TM was all about.

So, like, people like Maharishi Mahesh Yogi,

when he brought like, TM to, you know, America

through the Beatles and things like that.

I think he was trying to teach people how

to move forward in their lives

and improve their lives by lowering

into a much deeper state of relaxation,

where they would be in more full control

of their full capacity of their lives.

Not only reaching out towards the future

with what they want, what they wanna create,

but being more in touch with the present moment.

Using the power of your mind

to see yourself in your mind's eye.

And then using the power of your mind to do whatever has

to happen to make you look

or feel even more relaxed.

And still thinking about that breathing here.

Making quite sure that each breath in

lasts the same length of time

as the last breath.

And each breath outwards lasts the same length of time

as the last breath out.

And while you're thinking about your breathing there,

those inhales and exhales,

slowly and steadily, in and out.

Now, in a moment, I'm gonna ask to open your eyes

and as soon as you open them,

I'm going to simultaneously pass my hand upwards

in front of your eyes.

And then you will immediately close your eyes

as I motion my hand downward.

And then you will go three times

as deeply relaxed as before you open them.

Eyes open, close, deeper relaxed.

Three times as deep.

Allow that relaxation.

Very good, very good.

Eyes open, close, deeper.

Three times as deep.

Allowing it to take its course.

Eyes open, closed, deeper.

Three times as deep as before.

Very good.

Eyes open, close, deeper.

Very good.

Going down, deeper.

Eyes open, close.

Very good.

And in a moment I'm going to ask you

to begin counting backwards

out loud from 100,

something like this.

100.

Deeper, relaxed.

99.

Deeper, relaxed.

100, deeper, relaxed.

99, deeper, relaxed.

Very good. - 98, deeper relaxed.

You're standing

at the top of a flight of stairs.

And you can see as you look down those flight of stairs,

you see them before you.

You're standing at the top.

And in a moment I'm gonna ask you to begin descending down

the flight of stairs.

Three.

Once we reach the last step,

you will be back in time

on the evening of October 11th, 1973.

Two.

And one.

We're there.

Just observe, look around and observe

what you see or feel.

The bugs are really rough.

Okay, very good.

And just go ahead and just talk away

and just let us know everything that's going on

as much as possible.

The wind's very cold.

Okay. - The bugs are back.

It's hot.

Okay.

Charlie wants to unfreeze the bait, so he could.

All right,

unfreeze the bait so you guys can fish.

Okay. - Yeah.

I found the string and tied it to it.

Had it run the container, dumping the water.

I could unfreeze it.

Okay.

And then.

I didn't really care about fishing.

Charlie does that, Charlie's fishing,

just running his mouth

and I just want to sit there and relax.

Looking across the river.

I think it's a NOAA boat.

Okay.

Yeah, it's a NOAA boat.

It's NOAA.

You know.

NOAA?

AA, yeah.

Okay.

All right, very good.

Look towards the opposite side of the river there.

And look up and down the river.

Do you see anything?

Yes.

That's Calvin down by the river.

Like you brought me back here.

Yep.

Still with the same fishing cap on.

Yeah, loves that cap, eh?

This is in his home.

Yeah.

I guess he got a screen

or window up all your verandas down there, right?

Yeah, yeah. - Because you'll get

eaten alive.

Now this is from?

From a video interview that Calvin did

in the 1980s.

He was a little bit older.

His hair started to thin a bit.

So I just took a screen grab a bit while I could.

Welcome back to In-Depth this evening.

We're pleased to have with us this evening.

Charles Hickson, and also Calvin Parker.

How about you Charles?

Are you gonna do the...

Calvin.

Calvin, I'm sorry. Are you gonna do the same thing?

Are you gonna try to give up your job

that you've been working at

and try to go around speaking about this?

Well, like Charlie said before,

it's hard to work a job,

then people know who you are.

Then they start asking a lot of questions and all,

and no one's really caught me a crackpot

or anything like that.

Everyone's, you know,

had a real serious attitude about this.

And they're inquisitive.

They wanna know what's happened.

And yeah, I'm gonna, I feel like it's my duty

for some reason to do this,

to let people know what really happened,

to settle the minds of a lot of people.

I mean, this has been in the air now for 14 years.

And if people want to know,

and they still wanna know about this.

So I'm going to give my job up

and tell the people, you know.

Yeah.

Well, some people might say, Calvin, you know,

why do this after 14 years?

Well, why didn't you do it before that?

Because I had a career to take care of

and the time just wasn't right.

I don't think the people was, you know, ready for this

or nor was I ready for this.

So I've settled now, you know,

I've came to reality with the whole deal.

Yeah. - So it's time now,

you know, to let 'em know, to tell my side of the story.

I've kept a very low profile through this

because I just didn't wanna be bothered with it.

Do you see anything?

Well, I see the railroad bridge.

Okay. - The toll bridge.

And across the river, I could hear a noise

and I sound like a gentleman.

Okay, let's see what that's about.

Let's see what that noise is.

Really, what it really is.

It's coming from the boats.

Okay.

And then you can make out.

Barely.

You can't really see on the pier across the river.

And what happens next?

We're pulled up and sitting down

and I see a lot across the water.

Okay.

And I think a lot of them came.

All right, let's see if that's really what it is.

Well, the light's getting brighter and brighter.

So we turned around and looked.

I turned around.

And all of a sudden, the light got bright.

It's kind of a bluish, orange bluish color.

Okay.

There's something coming towards us.

We thought it was light, I thought it was.

Let's see what that is coming toward you then.

I don't know what this be.

Just allow it to approach.

And they're moving mighty fast.

And they talk loudly.

Sometimes, I can't make it out.

It's the light.

Bright.

Light, it's so bright that I can't really tell what it is.

That's all right, keep going.

And then, something got a hold of

the tall one, two of them.

Two of them.

One got a hold of me and I still can't see

because of the light.

But I know I'm afraid

because they just come out of the wet woods.

Coming out of the grass.

I can't make out the face too easy at the moment.

Okay, that's all right.

Did these creatures give off any odor

or smell or anything?

Any smell?

I didn't smell.

The creatures didn't have smell that I could tell.

Okay. Did they make any sounds or noises?

No, no.

Okay.

Smells like dead fish wing.

Okay.

We started going back to the craft.

The one that had a bag, I felt something

real strongly in my arm standing.

We got to the door when I called over.

The lights are still bright on us.

Then bright light went out.

Mmm, all right.

So you're inside the object now?

I'm standing at the gateway going.

It seemed like a ramp.

Okay, all right.

Let's see what happens next.

I'm looking at the walls,

and the light's coming out of the walls,

a softer light now.

It's blue

and I don't see no holes, no pictures.

We made a left turn,

went about two foot down the hall,

which was a white hall.

It's probably eight foot hallway.

White.

We've come to nowhere.

And I remember.

What had a hold of him.

And I couldn't see nothing but skin

or face features.

Kind of gray.

Okay, very good.

Describe as much as you can about what it looks like.

This thing.

Gray was the color.

It didn't have no neck

and I can't make out no face or mouth.

All right, that's all right.

Is the skin smooth or rough or soft?

It's rough.

Rough skin.

Okay.

Very good.

They still don't make any sounds or anything?

No noise.

Okay, very quiet.

Okay.

All right.

How about the walls inside of the object there

that you're in.

Do they feel hot or cold

or any kind of temperature

description? - I can't.

I can't feel nothing.

Okay.

Okay, all right.

Keep going.

Describe your experience.

There's a table inside.

That's the only thing that I see.

And it looks like it's made out of glass.

When he was on board this thing,

you see Calvin felt

he was laying on a transparent table

of some kind at a certain angle.

So let me ask you this.

So it was Calvin

that got a finger probe in the mouth?

Yeah.

And you know,

you don't often hear about people saying that they

shag an alien.

Well, if you're asking

if there was any intimate encounters,

the answer is no.

They removed his lower clothing and his shoes and socks.

Calvin said he felt violated.

But then, yeah, you have to remember,

Calvin was the tough guy of the family.

He had a younger brother, Ricky,

and he said if anybody messed with my brother at school,

they've got me to reckon with.

So he wasn't one to start a fight,

but if one started, he was sure gonna finish it, you know?

So here he is, this encounter,

unable to protect himself,

unable to do anything

and he didn't like talking about it.

These things remove his clothing

and there's nothing he can do about it, you know?

And he said he felt violated

and he didn't like going into detail about it, you know.

But eventually he told me.

But at the time, you know, that's the way Calvin worked.

He'd tell you in his own good time if he wanted to.

If he didn't want to tell you, he wouldn't.

And that was it.

And so he felt violated

but there was no intimate contact.

This thing took me over to the table

and how it kept from breaking my arm, I don't know.

But it lifted me and put me on the table.

And laid me on my back.

No straps or nothing.

I'm looking up at the ceiling and I can't move my body.

I can move my head, but I can't move my body.

All right.

I move my eyes but I can't move nothing else.

Okay.

Something come out of the ceiling.

The bottom of it was blue.

Didn't see no wires attached to it.

All right.

Then it come down.

Probably two foot from my head.

And I can see a better picture of it now.

The bottom is a white blue.

And it something like an M on the bottom of it.

First time I've ever done it,

M on the body.

All right, I'll make a note of that.

Keep going.

Looking at the D or M.

All right.

Try to get as much detail as possible.

It starting to go around my head real slow.

It goes around the table in my head.

It comes from the front to the side to the bottom

to the top.

And it's making a little clicking noise.

Not a harsh noise,

but it click, click, click as it goes around.

And it stops about a foot,

two foot from my head

and it goes back up into the ceiling, then disappears.

In the ceiling, it goes into a hole.

I can't tell.

All right, that's all right.

I know you can't see it no more.

All right, that's all right.

Just keep going.

This big ugly thing that brought me in.

With wrinkled skin.

It's moving now, going to to corner.

Out the door.

There's a door that we came into,

into the room.

They had a corner, a round looking corner.

It's not square, kind of round.

It was standing in the corner.

Okay.

And he was shut down.

Not moving there, not making any noise.

He's not moving at all.

But I hear something.

I did hear something.

Let's see what that is.

It sounds like a creek, like a.

It's a shh noise.

Okay.

It sounds like I don't see a door,

but it sounds like a door.

I rolled my head to the side

and this female comes out,

or what I think is a female.

These individual.

She looks normal from what I could see.

All right.

Any description there?

Can you describe anything about her?

Calvin said if you were in a bar,

you'd buy her a drink.

You know, that's the way he talked about her.

He said, but I'm sure her face was a mask of some kind.

He thought it was some kind of mask.

It was not a natural look.

Yeah, it's just, she was attractive.

But there was something about it,

he thought there was, it was some kind of mask.

Not bad at all.

Like he said, if you saw her in a bar,

he'd happily buy her a drink.

You know, she was attractive.

What was her attire like?

It was blue.

A blue tight fitting suit.

Like a black body suit.

It was blue. - Oh yeah.

Travis Walton's abductors. - Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

But.

She does have on clothes.

Okay. - Look like.

All right, can you describe those clothes?

The whole room is kind of a blue looking color.

Okay. - So it's really hard

to distinguish any colors.

Okay, that's all right.

But I'm going say more of a gray looking cover-all.

Yeah.

She has very little hair, but she does have hair.

And in the room it's blue, orange.

So it makes her hair look kind of purplish looking.

Okay.

She has a mouth, and eyes.

And ears.

Her nose is like.

She looks normal.

Okay. - She really does.

All right, now let's see what

that particular being does next.

She takes her left hand

and she puts it on my chin.

And pushes down on my chin.

She takes her right two little probes.

She starts running down my throat, and I'm choking.

All choking and it's hurting.

It's painful.

And really, she looks confused.

She got, I don't think she wanted to hurt me,

but she had a confused look on her face.

I must have mumbled or something, made the noise,

or some big bleating.

And she pulls her hand out.

Okay.

And she says in a way,

and not moving her mouth,

but I understand her.

She says she's not going to hurt me.

And then she backs up

and makes a noise, some kind of noise coming from the bottom

and then just goes all over the room that we in.

The other one from the corner.

Take a good look.

All right, take your time.

Comes up.

It starts coming toward now that she made a noise.

And he grabs me by the left arm

and I hear the chh, chh, noise again.

And I relaxed.

I just relaxed.

Okay.

She backs up out of the way

and I can't tell where she's going.

But she kind of disappears

because this thing is wrecking me up now.

Okay.

I'd like to ask,

did that female being,

did she remove any of your clothing at all,

or were you fully clothed?

I remember my face,

something about my feet and my socks.

She removed, and she tried to remove my pants.

So can you,

are you able to look at your body

and see if you have your clothes on or off?

Well, I remember picking up

and helping her get my pants off.

Okay.

For some reason.

Okay.

So let's see if we can find out what the purpose

of that was for.

To remove any of your clothing.

Can we find that out?

There's some kind of something to do with my foot.

Okay.

Something to do with your foot.

Can we find out any more information about that?

It stings right now.

So it's hard to say,

but I know that it's painful and I do hear noise.

Okay. - I hear a drip.

Drip, drip.

Sound like I'm bleeding

or feels warm, like blood coming out from my hand.

Okay.

See if you can focus,

focus on your hand.

Hone in on that hand there.

See if we can get some more information about that.

She drained the blood out for some reason.

Okay.

And I think she's replaced it with something.

All right, let's see.

Let's focus in on that event.

What does she do?

I'm getting weak and weaker and weaker

and I get to the stage where

I don't care if I live or die.

Keep going.

But I feel something coming in from my foot

and blood going out my hand.

Okay.

See if you can go ahead and zoom in on your foot

and really connect, connect with your foot

and what's going on with that or whatever happens to that.

I can't see it.

Okay, that's all right.

There's burning of my leg and through my body.

And coming out my hand.

Is there an object

inserted inside or anything?

I can't tell.

Okay.

That's alright.

Continue on.

I know that it hurts.

Okay.

Sitting here focusing on what's trying to go on.

Okay.

Take your time with it.

So Thursday, October the 11th, 1973

was his one and only day working at the shipyard.

Calvin had a great sense of humor.

He says, I got hired, fired, and abducted in the same day.

You know?

Calvin and Charlie did pass

a no entry sign on the way in

and Calvin commented on it.

Charlie says, don't take any notice.

So when the blue lights came from behind them,

Calvin's impression was, it's the police.

I knew we shouldn't have ignored that

no trespassing sign,

oh, we're gonna spend the night in jail.

Of course, when they both turned around

it wasn't the police,

but it shows you...

It was the galactic police.

Yeah, well, it shows you

that they're thinking rationally.

You know, they don't jump to any strange conclusions.

Oh, we've broken the law.

Blue lights, obviously it's the police, you know.

Yeah. - But it's not.

Are you able to receive any communication

from any of the beings?

The only communication that I received

was when she had a friend and it got rough.

Okay.

She thought that we don't mean hurt you.

So she sent a thought into you?

She sent a thought.

Okay.

So they don't speak, no mouth movement, vocal.

That's not how they communicate?

No. - Okay.

She didn't move her mouth.

Okay.

She's coming up towards me now.

Okay. - And I'm getting

a better look

at her face, her ear.

There's something wrong with the bottom of her ear.

Can you describe that a little bit more?

She looked like she has normal ears,

but she has a big hole in her left ear.

Okay.

That's all I can see is a hole.

It's okay.

That's all right.

You can go ahead and move on.

Continue on.

But I'm getting weak.

I'm starting to see spots in front of my eyes.

So they're doing something with your blood?

They've got, yeah, it's my blood dripping.

And where is it dripping at?

Dripping out of my hand.

Okay.

I'm seeing these balls.

There's lightning, there's balls.

Electricity balls.

And the next thing I know I was standing

outside by the river.

Facing the river.

Okay.

Did you see any objects, any cars?

Yes.

Okay, could you describe anything you can?

The lights went from blue,

orange, and back to blue again.

And it picked up off the ground

and made a noise,

like blowing on a whistle.

It's like a.

And disappeared up in the air.

I heard Charlie, that's the first time I've seen him.

He was at my feet.

He was calling my name.

You okay son?

You okay?

And I told him, hell no, I'm not okay.

But anyhow,

Charlie stood up.

He kind of shook me a little bit

and then he said, let's sit down.

Talk about this.

So we did.

Okay, you can describe that if you like.

Well, we agreed not to talk about it

is what we agreed on.

Okay, that's all right.

Charlie said we need to tell somebody.

I said, we don't need to tell nobody.

We don't need to talk about this.

Now this is when they put Calvin back.

As Charlie said,

Calvin was stood facing the water on the pier

with his arms just stuck out in front of him.

Charlie's legs were a bit weak.

He wobbled a bit.

Then he got hold of Calvin and said,

are you all right?

You all right, son?

You all right? And then they both turned around

and saw this thing take off out of sight.

This is...

2013. - Combination.

2013.

Yeah. - And the AP actually

went out and they caught him behind the bushes here.

Yep.

And of course Charlie had passed away by this time.

So somehow they managed to persuade Calvin to go on,

you know, on the record.

How long was Calvin

kind off the record for?

Pretty much from, you know,

a few weeks after it.

You know, and he would keep out of the way.

He would occasionally do things

because Charlie persuaded him to do so,

but he told me, he said he would see Charlie

on the television or in the newspaper

and he would say, I wish that fellow would stop

flaming talking about it.

You know?

So we set our feet and made our way back to the car.

The car on the passenger side.

The windows was shattered.

It was broke out.

I was getting into the car and Charlie was getting

into the back side.

And we were like, they'd never be any proof.

I put my keys back through the door.

And then.

We spent 15, 20 minutes praying to God.

Finally we cranked it and we left.

All right, very good.

All right, Calvin, now what I want you to do is

we're going to now,

we're gonna go forward time just a little bit.

And I'm gonna have you on the count of three,

you will arrive in the year of 1993

when you were in a boat fishing on the river

on your own.

One, two, and three.

Be there now.

What is interesting, is he went on

to have another encounter in 1993

with the same creatures and the same female.

Really? - Yeah.

But this time he was on his own.

How did that happen?

He went out fishing on a little boat.

He drove to the location, told his wife where he was going.

He said I was only going for a couple of hours

'cause I just took a sandwich

and a bottle of water, you know,

to last me while I'm there.

He's out fishing.

He sees this cloud come over and it opens up.

And it's not a cloud.

And he's placed on this table again.

There's this ugly creature

and this female.

I head out.

Okay.

It was about 11 o'clock in the daytime

because I swear I'd never fish at night again after 1973.

And I was sitting down

waiting on the tide to change.

So I was eating lunch

and there's this fog come over the pond.

Just over the boat.

And they pulled me and I looked up

and I remember.

Something pulling me toward the crack.

And I was facing down.

I see myself boat.

And I'm gonna board the craft as I know it.

And it was the same thing that happened in 1973.

All right.

The same female.

And we went through the same procedures

and she was draining blood

and looking at my nasal cavity.

Except she wasn't nice this time.

It was the same big ugly creature that was out.

Did you get any communication from them at all?

Any thoughts sent to you?

I remember looking in my hand,

she was going cutting my hand again.

And this time she was taking something out

and she, the same thing.

I was.

She took my shoes off

and I helped her take my clothes off again.

For some reason I was going along with her.

Uh-huh.

And I was sitting there thinking I have enough.

But this time,

I was tied down with the straps to start with.

And I was praying to die.

I just wanted it over with, go ahead and die.

And the little ball of static electricity come around,

and I sensed her presence.

She left the room and left me with a big old dude.

And I sensed her presence again looking at me

through a window.

And then all of a sudden

the blood quits running out.

All right. - Yeah.

I'm getting some strength back.

Very good.

And I'm thanking to myself.

I want to kill this bitch.

Keep going.

Well.

She pretty much just through with me.

I got the strength.

The big one held me up

and I put my clothes back on voluntarily.

And for some reason I wasn't afraid no more.

I was mad.

And I threw her against the wall

when she'd come back a second time.

And I was beating her head against wall.

The big ugly one.

I called him out because I couldn't make it out.

He manages, same female.

He manages to get active this time.

And he said, I've had enough of this.

I'm gonna get this female,

and if there's a door, I can find a door.

We're both going out,

going out the door.

So he literally grabs her,

banging her against the wall, all to no avail.

And he said this room was then illuminated, if you like,

with these little fireballs

that were sparking all over, you know.

And he could see himself in this mirror.

And he said it was a curse this woman gave him.

Gave me some kind of something.

I could hear the.

Again.

And it just went away.

And I stood up off the table.

And I was weak.

But the balls was hitting everywhere.

I mean I was dodging the balls.

Electricity.

And I remember her showing me

different things or I imagined different things.

Uh-huh.

And she showed me the future, the past, and the present.

Okay, let's see if we can zoom in, kind of,

or focus in,

connect with those visions in slow motion, if we can,

kind of slow it down.

Let's say we can get some detail about those visions.

I see a flash of lightning in the face.

And I've seen diseases like we've never seen before.

And I've seen people going hungry.

And fighting.

And I looked at the water.

And the water was green, green, green looking.

Now is this,

these visions kind of local

or is it like global or what?

Can you tell? - It's global.

Okay.

I've seen wars, country against country.

I've seen people going hungry.

Any detail you can.

Just seeing these things.

Then all of a sudden the fishing spot.

Okay.

Let's find out.

Can you ask her what was the purpose of

you being shown these visions?

I don't know, I was weak.

Why she showing them to me,

or maybe I was imagining.

But I hated her so bad, I did.

She's coming out and I'm determined,

I'm determined to take her with me.

Cause I just want take her for proof.

And I said, well, we're gonna die here.

I told her that and I don't know if she believed that.

We're both gonna die right here.

I kept the far door to get out of

but there was no door.

So I grabbed her

around the throat.

I made the fall.

She started bleeding.

She did make a noise.

A squealing noise.

She started bleeding.

And that's when.

Thing that I know, I was back on my boat.

Okay.

Did you see the object

depart at all? - I didn't.

Okay.

Do you know if it was the same object

that you were in back in 1973?

Do you know?

The inside was the same.

I don't know what the outside looked like.

Well, how did you exit from that object?

I don't know.

Okay. - He gave me a

go to hell shot.

Okay.

All right, so you're back on your boat.

Were you as afraid after this as you were in 73?

I was pretty afraid.

All right. - But.

I had blood all over.

And I actually took my shirt off

and rinsed it off in the water and,

'cause I knew I was going home.

This was dark now.

Okay, okay.

That a long time.

It took a long time to get back,

longer to get there

because it was dark.

He had visions of the future

and the past and the present.

And in the future was war

that affected every nation.

He said, I could see the skin peeling off of people

and he didn't like talking about it.

And anyway, he was put back,

to cut a long story short, he went home.

He's late. His wife had been out to find out where he was.

And she even put a note under his windscreen wiper.

She found his car.

He said, oh, engine broke down.

Like Charlie has,

I know Charlie has been in contact, you know,

two or three times, but I have in different ways

and I've been in contact through my dreams.

And it's a different way.

It's a more settled, peaceful way for them to contact me.

It doesn't scare me or worry me anymore.

And I've actually been able to

look into the future a little bit.

And, and this is the reason why, because I'm scared not to.

One of these childhood encounters was at home,

involved his brother as well.

And they shared a room and he said to Calvin,

Calvin, Calvin, stop the ghost blowing in my ear.

Calvin smiled.

He said, it wasn't any ghost, it's this woman, you know?

And then he saw her again at some other place.

You know, this woman just appeared.

And again, make of it what you will.

Calvin can remember it all,

but he doesn't like to remember it.

So, for example, with the event that happened in 1993,

I got the tape, I had it digitized

and I sent Calvin a copy of it and, and he put it onto a CD.

And didn't listen to it for a long, long time.

And then one night he sat out on the porch, put it on

and decided, you know, I'm gonna listen to it now.

And he said to Waynette, his wife, come on,

you sit down and listen to this with me.

And it still bothered him, you know,

even all those years later,

as any traumatic incident would, you know.

But it took him a long time.

And Calvin was a tough guy, you know, hardworking,

honest man, you know.

But it took him some time to listen to this.

And I'm glad he did.

I'm glad he got to listen to it again,

you know.

And he came to terms with it

and he said he wish he'd been able to do this years before.

I said, well, you know, we've done it now.

And you know, your story's there for posterity.

Everybody will know it.

It would be easier for me just

to work my job and to settle down.

Cause I have a very well, a good job.

I mean, I'm not worried about anything.

So yeah, it'd be easy for me to work my job

and make my living, but I feel it's my duty now to

let the people, you know.

I've been known for 14 years

and this is really the second or third time

that I've been seen in this time.

You know, so the people really wanna know what's happened

and I'm willing to share it with 'em now.

I'm willing to share my experience.