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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,310 --> 00:00:05,340 Chinese soldiers preparing for battle. 2 00:00:05,350 --> 00:00:08,250 This is what Beijing wants to show the world. 3 00:00:08,350 --> 00:00:12,550 With each military drill, China is drawing ever-closer circles 4 00:00:12,550 --> 00:00:13,890 around Taiwan. 5 00:00:14,390 --> 00:00:18,300 China has a clear goal: to gain control over the island. 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,450 China will surely be reunified. 7 00:00:23,900 --> 00:00:27,380 Are you willing to get involved militarily to defend Taiwan 8 00:00:27,380 --> 00:00:28,330 if it comes to that? 9 00:00:28,340 --> 00:00:29,130 Yes. 10 00:00:29,140 --> 00:00:30,320 Thatโ€™s the commitment we made. 11 00:00:31,220 --> 00:00:34,970 The United States is building up its military presence in the region. 12 00:00:35,140 --> 00:00:38,199 And is practicing how to sink Chinese ships. 13 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,670 We're not going to come to an agreement over Taiwan. 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,350 Wait for the unification to be achieved. 15 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:49,790 Peacefully, I hope. 16 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,260 Not peacefully, I dread. 17 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,520 But why are these two superpowers so fixated on Taiwan? 18 00:00:57,150 --> 00:00:59,490 What's in it for China and the U.S.? 19 00:01:00,670 --> 00:01:03,770 And how do people in Taiwan feel about it? 20 00:01:18,709 --> 00:01:22,750 It's Taiwan's location that makes it a geopolitical flashpoint. 21 00:01:23,069 --> 00:01:26,089 Taiwan has 23 million inhabitants โ€“ 22 00:01:26,089 --> 00:01:31,150 and its main island lies only 130 km away from China's mainland. 23 00:01:34,020 --> 00:01:37,100 These tiny islands right off the coast are also 24 00:01:37,100 --> 00:01:38,490 under Taiwanese control. 25 00:01:38,967 --> 00:01:42,310 And Chinese military drills around the whole of Taiwan 26 00:01:42,310 --> 00:01:44,770 are getting bigger and more frequent. 27 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,080 In recent videos released by China's People's Liberation Army, 28 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,666 Beijing has threatened to encircle the island. 29 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,720 It sees Taiwan as part of its territory and says it's ready 30 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,220 to use force, if necessary, to get it back. 31 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,120 We'll talk more about the history and Taiwan's status later. 32 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,600 For now, you need to know that in the late 1940s, 33 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,600 there was a civil war in China between Communists and Nationalists. 34 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,190 The Communists won and took control of mainland China. 35 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,770 And the Nationalists fled to Taiwan. 36 00:02:26,770 --> 00:02:29,193 That laid the groundwork for today's tensions. 37 00:02:32,340 --> 00:02:35,380 The U.S. has an ambiguous policy towards Taiwan. 38 00:02:35,700 --> 00:02:39,740 Since the late 1970s, it has recognized Communist Beijing 39 00:02:39,740 --> 00:02:42,480 as the only legitimate government of China. 40 00:02:42,590 --> 00:02:45,570 But it has informal ties with Taiwan and is seen 41 00:02:45,580 --> 00:02:47,090 as the island's protector. 42 00:02:48,267 --> 00:02:50,020 Okay. 43 00:02:50,030 --> 00:02:52,660 Let's go back to the map to understand why the U.S. 44 00:02:52,669 --> 00:02:55,290 and China can't quit Taiwan. 45 00:02:55,350 --> 00:02:59,669 In some ways, Taiwan's strategic importance is about three chokepoints 46 00:02:59,669 --> 00:03:01,073 around the island. 47 00:03:01,282 --> 00:03:03,990 To the west, there's the Taiwan Strait. 48 00:03:04,150 --> 00:03:07,490 It's a key trade route for both Beijing and Taiwan โ€“ 49 00:03:07,490 --> 00:03:09,770 and also for everybody else. 50 00:03:09,790 --> 00:03:13,350 Almost all the world's biggest container ships pass through here. 51 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:16,830 To the north, the Miyako Strait. 52 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,532 It runs between Taiwan and these Japanese islands. 53 00:03:22,230 --> 00:03:24,380 And in the south, the Bashi Strait. 54 00:03:24,389 --> 00:03:27,290 It runs between Taiwan and the Philippines. 55 00:03:28,150 --> 00:03:30,820 For China, these two straits on either side of Taiwan 56 00:03:30,830 --> 00:03:34,590 are key strategic gateways to the Pacific Ocean. 57 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,950 Taiwan is in the middle of the Chinese coastline, 58 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,460 which is very important. 59 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:42,870 This is Victor Gao. 60 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,240 He is a former Chinese diplomat and vice-president of 61 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,160 the Center for China and Globalization, a Beijing think-tank some say 62 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,260 is close to the Chinese Communist Party. 63 00:03:54,840 --> 00:04:01,110 Taiwan Island faces the Pacific directly, and if Taiwan is occupied 64 00:04:01,110 --> 00:04:05,550 by a foreign country, for example, it interrupts the continuity 65 00:04:05,550 --> 00:04:10,510 of the Chinese coastline and also prevents the Chinese access 66 00:04:10,510 --> 00:04:13,170 directly to the Pacific Ocean. 67 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,440 The U.S. says it has no troops permanently stationed in Taiwan 68 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,720 but the island plays an important role in U.S. strategy. 69 00:04:22,170 --> 00:04:25,880 To understand why, let's look at the military bases in the region. 70 00:04:27,390 --> 00:04:31,110 Here are some of China's main naval bases close to its coast. 71 00:04:31,589 --> 00:04:34,700 And the U.S. has some of its key bases in South Korea, 72 00:04:34,830 --> 00:04:37,140 Japan, and the Philippines. 73 00:04:37,150 --> 00:04:41,589 If you connect the dots, you'll see the U.S. bases form a chain. 74 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,390 Taiwan sits at the heart of what we call in the United States 75 00:04:45,390 --> 00:04:46,390 the 'first island chain'. 76 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,560 David Sacks is an expert at the Council on Foreign Relations, 77 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,420 a think-tank in New York City. 78 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,630 In the past, he worked at the American Institute in Taiwan, 79 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,880 which serves as the de facto U.S. embassy on the island. 80 00:05:00,130 --> 00:05:01,440 If you look at the first island chain, 81 00:05:01,450 --> 00:05:04,250 these are all formal treaty allies of the United States, or 82 00:05:04,250 --> 00:05:06,440 close partners, in the case of Taiwan. 83 00:05:06,450 --> 00:05:10,970 And with that the way it is, the United States can project power close 84 00:05:10,980 --> 00:05:14,010 to China's shores, protect its allies and its interests. 85 00:05:14,050 --> 00:05:17,810 Conversely, it's very difficult for the Chinese military to project power 86 00:05:17,810 --> 00:05:21,570 outside of the first island chain and threaten the United States 87 00:05:21,570 --> 00:05:25,800 physically or our interests in the Indo-Pacific. 88 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,839 To strengthen this 'island chain', the U.S. is expanding 89 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,920 military cooperation with Japan and the Philippines, 90 00:05:32,230 --> 00:05:36,470 which are also wary of what they see as China's expansionist goals. 91 00:05:37,670 --> 00:05:41,750 For example, just last year the U.S. gained access to military bases 92 00:05:41,750 --> 00:05:43,610 in the north of the Philippines. 93 00:05:43,750 --> 00:05:47,350 Right next to the Bashi Strait, one of those Chinese gateways 94 00:05:47,350 --> 00:05:49,530 to the Pacific Ocean we mentioned. 95 00:05:52,910 --> 00:05:55,820 Here you can see American and Philippine troops conducting 96 00:05:55,830 --> 00:05:59,070 exercises in the waters nearby earlier this year. 97 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,926 They even sank an old Chinese-built ship that the Philippine navy 98 00:06:04,926 --> 00:06:06,670 used in the past: 99 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,740 a clear message to Beijing. 100 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:13,400 And obviously, China is not happy about the U.S. 'island chain' strategy. 101 00:06:15,333 --> 00:06:16,230 Come on! 102 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,630 We are not living in the 19th century. 103 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,240 We are not living in the imperialist century. 104 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:27,960 Using this outmoded way of thinking as if you can 105 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:32,279 set up a chain to block, for example, China from accessing 106 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,600 the Pacific Ocean, is ludicrous. 107 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,987 Beijing is rapidly modernizing its navy, in part to be able to 108 00:06:40,987 --> 00:06:43,460 break through the chain of U.S. allies. 109 00:06:45,270 --> 00:06:48,603 For example, with the 'Fujian' aircraft carrier. 110 00:06:48,603 --> 00:06:51,580 Here it is on sea trials earlier this year. 111 00:06:51,589 --> 00:06:54,830 It's China's third aircraft carrier and the biggest ship 112 00:06:54,830 --> 00:06:56,170 in the Chinese navy. 113 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,480 The number one objective here is to keep the United States 114 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,990 out of the region during a conflict. 115 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,440 So, what we call 'anti-access/area denial': Prevent the United States 116 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,240 from being able to defend our treaty allies and partners. 117 00:07:13,750 --> 00:07:17,030 So to sum up: Taiwan's location makes it essential 118 00:07:17,030 --> 00:07:20,750 to both sides as they try to gain the upper hand in the region. 119 00:07:29,830 --> 00:07:32,540 But the rivalry is also about money. 120 00:07:32,550 --> 00:07:33,650 Big money. 121 00:07:33,750 --> 00:07:36,950 Economically, the small island also has an outsize importance 122 00:07:36,950 --> 00:07:41,070 for both China and the U.S. โ€“ even though neither officially recognizes 123 00:07:41,070 --> 00:07:42,970 Taiwan as a country. 124 00:07:45,690 --> 00:07:49,490 Both China and the U.S. have significant trade links with Taiwan. 125 00:07:49,490 --> 00:07:52,623 And much of that business comes from just one company: 126 00:07:55,190 --> 00:07:56,190 TSMC โ€“ 127 00:07:56,190 --> 00:07:59,730 Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company. 128 00:08:00,070 --> 00:08:02,060 It produces microchips. 129 00:08:02,070 --> 00:08:05,870 Taiwan makes 90 % of the most advanced ones in the world. 130 00:08:06,870 --> 00:08:09,500 Both the U.S. and China are dependent on them. 131 00:08:09,510 --> 00:08:11,570 And so is everybody else. 132 00:08:14,110 --> 00:08:17,910 There's a good chance TSMC's semiconductors are in the device 133 00:08:17,910 --> 00:08:20,993 that you're using to watch this video right now. 134 00:08:21,637 --> 00:08:23,126 They are in new cars, 135 00:08:23,826 --> 00:08:25,403 fridges, 136 00:08:25,535 --> 00:08:26,980 and fighter jets. 137 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:28,430 Everywhere. 138 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,220 They're needed to develop new AI models. 139 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,280 And U.S. leaders worry that losing Taiwan to China could 140 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,480 permanently shift economic tides against them. 141 00:08:39,090 --> 00:08:43,400 We don't assume that a region under Chinese hegemony would be open 142 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,339 to U.S. trade and investment. 143 00:08:45,630 --> 00:08:48,070 I think that China would reorder the region. 144 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,900 They want the United States to basically supply them 145 00:08:50,910 --> 00:08:55,630 with raw materials that are turned into manufactured goods in China 146 00:08:55,630 --> 00:08:57,140 and then sold all over the world. 147 00:08:57,150 --> 00:09:00,510 And there isn't really a role for the United States or 148 00:09:00,510 --> 00:09:02,020 other industrialized countries in that. 149 00:09:02,030 --> 00:09:05,300 The Chinese economy is already larger than that of the United States 150 00:09:05,309 --> 00:09:07,460 if we use purchasing power parity. 151 00:09:07,470 --> 00:09:11,750 China produced more than 30 million cars in 2023. 152 00:09:11,750 --> 00:09:14,910 The Americans probably produced less than half of that. 153 00:09:15,110 --> 00:09:19,710 So why should anyone believe, they can have some benefit 154 00:09:19,710 --> 00:09:21,959 of picking a fight with China? 155 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:23,756 No, there is no benefit. 156 00:09:23,756 --> 00:09:27,660 China does not look at Taiwan from an economic 157 00:09:27,670 --> 00:09:29,516 or commercial perspective. 158 00:09:31,110 --> 00:09:33,677 So why is Taiwan so important to Beijing then? 159 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,503 To understand, let's dive back into history. 160 00:09:43,090 --> 00:09:45,450 China lost control over Taiwan during what it calls 161 00:09:45,518 --> 00:09:47,527 the 'Century of Humiliation' โ€“ 162 00:09:47,527 --> 00:09:50,386 these caricatures of China being carved up 163 00:09:50,386 --> 00:09:53,660 by various foreign powers might explain why. 164 00:09:54,330 --> 00:09:57,200 From the mid-19th until the mid-20th century, 165 00:09:57,210 --> 00:10:00,580 China was plagued by invasions and internal disputes. 166 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:02,860 This is important, because that notion 167 00:10:02,870 --> 00:10:08,070 of humiliation still plays a big role in Chinese state ideology even today. 168 00:10:09,270 --> 00:10:13,600 In 1895, Japan took Taiwan from China and made it a colony. 169 00:10:15,210 --> 00:10:18,760 After World War II, the Allies forced Japan to give it back. 170 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,176 But at the time, China was in the middle 171 00:10:21,176 --> 00:10:22,826 of a civil war: 172 00:10:24,193 --> 00:10:25,760 The government of the Republic of China, 173 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,960 or ROC, was led by Nationalists under Chiang Kai-Shek. 174 00:10:34,510 --> 00:10:37,590 Mao Zedong led Communist forces against them. 175 00:10:39,630 --> 00:10:43,750 In 1949, the victorious Communists marched into Beijing and 176 00:10:43,750 --> 00:10:46,790 established the People's Republic of China on the mainland. 177 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,000 The defeated government of the Republic of China fled to Taiwan. 178 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,240 That's why there are two governments that call themselves 'China': 179 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,520 one on the mainland, the People's Republic of China, or PRC. 180 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:04,200 And on Taiwan, the Republic of China, or ROC. 181 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,320 The PRC government in Beijing sees Taiwan as a breakaway province 182 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,460 and says there is only one China. 183 00:11:12,470 --> 00:11:15,630 Even though they have never actually been in charge in Taiwan. 184 00:11:16,710 --> 00:11:20,910 Most of the world accepts this One China policy, including the U.S. 185 00:11:20,910 --> 00:11:24,250 They don't recognize Taiwan as an independent country. 186 00:11:25,527 --> 00:11:26,230 Wait. 187 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,817 So why is the U.S. supporting Taiwan then? 188 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,440 There is also a history to that. 189 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,790 After the Civil War, the U.S. initially saw 190 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,793 the Nationalist government in Taiwan as the only real China, rejecting 191 00:11:39,793 --> 00:11:41,633 the Communist government on the mainland. 192 00:11:42,683 --> 00:11:47,350 U.S. soldiers were even stationed in Taiwan under a common defense pact. 193 00:11:48,809 --> 00:11:51,280 The change came in the 1970s. 194 00:11:51,290 --> 00:11:54,150 The U.S. sought closer relations with Beijing. 195 00:11:55,030 --> 00:11:59,910 That meant closing the U.S. embassy in Taiwan and pulling out U.S. troops. 196 00:12:00,990 --> 00:12:04,803 Still, informal ties persisted, like that de facto embassy. 197 00:12:04,803 --> 00:12:08,670 And the U.S. still guarantees to sell Taiwan weapons. 198 00:12:09,070 --> 00:12:11,660 But they have a deliberately ambiguous policy 199 00:12:11,670 --> 00:12:13,929 on whether they would defend Taiwan. 200 00:12:14,429 --> 00:12:16,307 It's meant to prevent China from invading and 201 00:12:16,307 --> 00:12:18,870 Taiwan from declaring independence. 202 00:12:20,590 --> 00:12:25,070 But that strange limbo has been the status quo in Taiwan for decades. 203 00:12:25,390 --> 00:12:28,050 And it's created realities on the ground. 204 00:12:28,790 --> 00:12:31,843 Taiwan developed from a Nationalist authoritarian regime 205 00:12:31,843 --> 00:12:34,490 into one of the strongest democracies in the region. 206 00:12:35,530 --> 00:12:37,020 There are elections, 207 00:12:38,388 --> 00:12:39,687 a free press, 208 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,710 and civil liberties. 209 00:12:42,950 --> 00:12:46,750 Taiwan was first in Asia to legalize same-sex-marriage. 210 00:12:46,750 --> 00:12:49,450 This year a progressive party was reelected for 211 00:12:49,450 --> 00:12:53,090 a third term, vowing to maintain that tense status quo. 212 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,559 DW's Taiwan correspondent Yuchen Li can give us a sense 213 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,179 of things on the ground. 214 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,430 Here in Taiwan, the atmosphere is very different 215 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,380 from what you might read in the headlines. 216 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,910 The tension has become part of daily life. 217 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,080 One key reason is that people in Taiwan have been living under 218 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:15,040 the threat of the Chinese Communist Party for many decades. 219 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,750 The majority of the Taiwanese prefer to maintain 220 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:23,160 the status quo with China, but how to do so is a rather polarized debate. 221 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,927 If China wants to bully us, at least we still have the U.S. and Japan. 222 00:13:28,927 --> 00:13:30,506 They are our friends. 223 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,099 I've always been skeptical of America. 224 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:41,559 But we have no choice, if we can't get stronger or have enough forces. 225 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:46,756 It's tricky. 226 00:13:46,756 --> 00:13:50,796 We should have a friendly relationship with both of them. 227 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,350 It's always been like this. 228 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,350 Ever since the founding of the country, we've been caught up 229 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:57,380 in this drama. 230 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,506 But one thing is clear for many Taiwanese โ€“ 231 00:14:00,506 --> 00:14:02,980 Taiwan's voice is usually drowned out. 232 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:07,080 Amid the U.S.-China rivalry, many feel that Taiwan is only 'a pawn' 233 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,510 in the game, and no matter what comes next, 234 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:14,200 the island should have the right and autonomy to decide its own fate. 235 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,380 But there is one more factor that stands in the way of that. 236 00:14:18,550 --> 00:14:21,790 Taiwan represents something for both superpowers. 237 00:14:27,870 --> 00:14:30,820 Taiwan has embraced the U.S. worldview, which promotes 238 00:14:30,830 --> 00:14:33,010 democracy and capitalism. 239 00:14:33,150 --> 00:14:36,830 China is a one-party system and a socialist market economy. 240 00:14:37,030 --> 00:14:40,870 And a major Chinese Communist Party narrative centers on Taiwan. 241 00:14:41,390 --> 00:14:45,510 Remember the Century of Humiliation we mentioned, when China lost Taiwan? 242 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,000 Well Chinese President Xi Jinping sees bringing Taiwan back into 243 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,880 the fold as an important step in overcoming that humiliation. 244 00:14:57,430 --> 00:15:00,580 This is part of the so-called 'national rejuvenation', 245 00:15:00,590 --> 00:15:03,630 a revival of the Chinese nation as a great power. 246 00:15:05,430 --> 00:15:08,060 With Xi Jinping, I think, you did see some impatience. 247 00:15:08,070 --> 00:15:13,990 Xi Jinping has clearly put himself forward as a leader of, you know, 248 00:15:13,990 --> 00:15:16,570 world historic importance. 249 00:15:16,950 --> 00:15:19,660 He views himself in a very similar way, I think, 250 00:15:19,670 --> 00:15:22,730 to Vladimir Putin, that he's just not a run-of-the-mill leader. 251 00:15:22,730 --> 00:15:24,160 He's transformative. 252 00:15:24,603 --> 00:15:29,950 No one, no country, no single human being will be able to block 253 00:15:30,070 --> 00:15:33,666 the peaceful reunification of China or the non-peaceful 254 00:15:33,666 --> 00:15:35,780 reunification of China. 255 00:15:35,790 --> 00:15:40,270 So, we should all call on the United States: "Don't play with fire!" 256 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,670 But for the U.S., supporting Taiwan also means keeping up 257 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,960 key alliances in the region and promoting democracy. 258 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,360 If China were to invade and annex Taiwan, we would see 259 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,120 that democracy extinguished, and it could send chilling effects 260 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:58,630 to democracies around the world. 261 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,760 You would have deep questions being asked in South Korea, 262 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,430 Japan, and the Philippines on whether they can rely on 263 00:16:04,430 --> 00:16:05,920 the United States for their security. 264 00:16:07,890 --> 00:16:12,010 Because of where Taiwan is and what it represents, neither China 265 00:16:12,010 --> 00:16:14,550 nor the U.S. isable back down. 266 00:16:15,190 --> 00:16:19,390 And the rest of us are stuck watching the superpower rivalry play out. 21922

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