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Mount Baldy's 35 or 40 miles
from downtown Los Angeles.
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It's about eight miles
up to the top.
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And then there's various cabins
strewn about the mountains.
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You might not have
cell service.
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You might not see
a neighbor for days.
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Judy and Marcia wanted to move
to the mountain for a quieter
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kind of life.
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Unfortunately, that just
didn't happen.
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These strange events have been
plaguing the cabin.
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How can anybody
in their right mind do this?
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There are bad people in
the world
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that have ill intentions,
and it's just tragic.
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It was probably about 6:30, 7.
It was still light, summertime.
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I was up on top of
Glendora Ridge Road,
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because there's a big, vast area
that had been bulldozed
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to put houses up there.
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I was walking my dog.
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My dog ran loose,
and I was running after him.
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I ran into these two women,
and they had my dog,
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and I was like, "Oh, thank you
for getting him."
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Judy Gellert was in her late
40s, and Marcia Johnson was
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a bit younger,
in her late 30s.
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Marcia was the more outgoing,
gregarious type,
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where Judy was a little bit more
shy, a little bit quieter.
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The neighbor had rented them
that little space.
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They had their trailer parked
up there for a while,
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and I don't know how long.
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They just seemed nice,
and I thought
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maybe we could be friends.
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Judy Gellert and Marcia Johnson
met in the late 1980s in
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a substance abuse
rehabilitation center,
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where they were both
seeking help.
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The two developed
a close friendship.
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And as
their relationship deepened,
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they developed
a sexual relationship
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and ultimately became partners.
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They were able to get
sober together.
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Judy secured a position as
a substance abuse counselor
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while Marcia was working in
computer programming.
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And they begin a life of
their own, really, a future.
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Judy and Marcia spent about
ten years traveling in
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an RV together.
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They had lived in a number of
places around California.
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And by 1998, Judy and Marcia
had settled on a campground
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near Mount Baldy.
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In the 1990s, it wasn't
the same as now.
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Gay couples didn't have
the same comfort level being
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open and honest
about their relationships.
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In moving to Mount Baldy,
they were probably hoping to
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escape the outside world
a little bit.
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The first time they met,
Judy and Marcia were telling
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Kerri how they really wanted
a permanent home.
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The thing is, real estate on
Mount Baldy is pretty hard to
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come by because
the residents don't leave.
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They stay there.
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Kerri said, well, it just
happened to be good timing
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because she knew of a cabin
that was for sale.
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And the cabin was being sold by
71-year-old Jack Irwin.
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Jack had lived on the mountain
several years.
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His cabin was like a mile up,
this little road that wasn't
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well maintained.
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Jack was a Korean War veteran.
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He was a loner
and was very frugal.
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He was the type of guy that
slept on a cot.
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He had one knife, one fork,
one plate, one spoon.
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Very minimalist.
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What actually led him to being
up on Mount Baldy,
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he didn't say,
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other than the fact that he did
like to be alone,
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and that's a good place to
be alone.
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Once in a while, my husband
and I would have Jack down for
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dinner because he has no
relatives, and no friends
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as far as I know.
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He didn't talk a lot,
but he would sit and just be
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with our son.
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He was a very private person.
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I'm thinking that there was
more to his life that
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he never talked about.
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He loved his cabin,
and he kept it immaculate.
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But Jack was having a harder
time as he got older.
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You look at the cabin,
and it's got to be heated by
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chopping firewood.
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As he was aging,
that was becoming
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more and more of
an issue.
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He was looking for a little bit
more comfort.
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Marcia and Judy had met Jack
and asked if they could
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buy the cabin.
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When newcomers come onto Mount
Baldy, they're greeted with
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a little bit of skepticism.
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They are regarded as outsiders,
and I think it takes a while to
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kind of penetrate that wall.
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He wanted to make sure that
the people who were going to
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buy his cabin
could be trusted.
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And they felt this need to
impress Jack.
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They would meet up at the store
and pick up mail together.
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They tried to do the best
they could for him.
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You know, be part of his life.
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They were only in Jack's life
for a few months,
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but they became friends.
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And then Judy and Marcia began
to spend more and more time
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with Jack.
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He had these two people
who were interested in him,
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and he liked that.
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Early on in 1999,
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Jack had told me that Marcia
and Judy could hone in on what
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was going on in the village
and what the people were like.
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Jack really believed that
they would take care of
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the property, and that
they would fit in with
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the community as well.
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He sold the cabin to Marcia
and Judy, gave them some great
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terms, and should've been a very
wonderful life for those two.
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Jack moved to a home about
a half an hour down
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the mountain in a suburban town
called Upland.
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It was at the base of
the mountain where he could
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still have the beautiful view,
but enjoy, I think,
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more creature comforts.
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Judy and Marcia saw Jack quite
frequently still.
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Material things were not
important to him,
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But that cabin,
that's what he loved.
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He was so insistent every day
going up the hill
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to check on it.
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There was one day I was hiking,
going down by the cabin,
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and I hear this
heated argument.
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And Marcia was saying,
"I'm sorry, Jack, I'm sorry."
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And Jack, I couldn't make out
what he was saying.
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There seemed to be something
about this cabin
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that Jack wouldn't let go of.
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They were fighting,
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and then it stopped.
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I heard the car start up,
and so I watched
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Jack's car drive by.
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And he drove on down
the mountain,
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and I called Marcia.
I said, "Is everything OK?"
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And she said, "Oh, yeah, it was
just a misunderstanding."
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I didn't know what to think.
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This really piqued
the curiosity of the neighbors,
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because all of a sudden,
they're hearing arguments,
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and there's a tension.
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And I think everybody was
wondering what in the world is
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going on with these three.
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Well, it turns out, prior to
the sale of the cabin,
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Jack didn't realize
they are a gay couple.
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This was a real change
and a surprise.
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Marcia and Judy had said that
was not something that Jack
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could handle.
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I mean, long back in
the '40s and the '50s,
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it was something you never
talked about.
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And he was very much against
them being in that situation.
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So he was verbally
not nice to them.
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And then, kind of cut it off
at that point.
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He left and never returned.
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By the end of the summer,
Jack's trips up the mountain had
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come to a complete end.
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I had called Jack to
Thanksgiving dinner at
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our house a month or so
ahead of time.
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I kept calling,
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and I couldn't get in touch
with him.
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We always were in contact,
and with not hearing from him
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for days and days and days,
it was not like Jack.
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Mount Baldy is a community of
people that all knew each
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other, and if you don't see
somebody, you check on them.
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I had put a sign of Jack
missing on the front of
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the post office.
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Everybody up there has
a PO box.
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So they would come in
and ask about Jack.
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When Marcia and Judy came into
the post office, I asked them
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if they had seen Jack.
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They did acknowledge that it
had been some time since
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they heard from Jack.
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And there was definitely
some question.
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Sometimes you just get
a feeling, or an aura
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about a person.
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And I had such a terrible
feeling that he was in danger.
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And I said, well, you need to
call the police.
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On October 3, 1999,
the Upland Police Department
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received a call from
Marcia Johnson,
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reporting Jack Irwin missing.
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And she said she lived in
a cabin on Mount Baldy.
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So after the initial report was
made, one of our police
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officers responded to her home
and got some additional
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information from her.
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When the Upland Police
interview Judy and Marcia,
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the pair describes
a relationship in which
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they are very close with Jack.
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But by the end of the summer,
the relationship between Jack
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and Judy and Marcia
began to change.
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He came to the cabin,
but Jack was very
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rude and belittling.
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Despite the tension there,
they explain that they really
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care for Jack very much.
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And they wanted the police
to find him.
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There's no crime involved in
being a missing adult.
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There's no obligation to
contact your friends or family.
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Our objective is to find out
that the person is safe.
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They go search
the Upland house.
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There was nothing in the house
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that showed that there was any
foul play.
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Didn't seem like there was
anything out of the ordinary.
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Jack had no relatives here in
California, no phone,
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no credit cards.
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We had spoken with other people
from Mount Baldy, and they all
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indicated that he didn't make
a lot of money, but he had
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a lot of money.
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He bought the house in
Upland for cash.
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And the other thing is,
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Jack didn't hide it.
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They said that it was not
unusual for him to pull
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his wallet out
and tell people,
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"I'm OK. I've got plenty
of money."
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They said that he just spent so
little, that it accumulated
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over his life.
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So certainly there was
a possibility that Jack had
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actually gone off in some city
because he had had
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the resources to do that.
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He could have taken a vacation,
and he is where
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he has chosen to be.
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We put out
the national feelers.
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We've contacted
the LA County morgue.
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There's no unclaimed bodies
that match his description.
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There is nothing to indicate
where Jack might be.
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So they felt that
Jack was still alive,
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out there somewhere.
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So his information was in
a national computer system
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where any law enforcement
officer in the country were to
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run his name, we would
be contacted.
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Marcia and Judy knew that Jack
simply didn't want them there.
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They were trying to build
a quiet nest for themselves
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where they felt
comfortable being in
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their open relationship.
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Being alone in
a mountainous area,
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there aren't a lot of
people around.
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While that might have
a beautiful side,
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it also has a very dark side.
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It would be very
difficult if somebody were
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in trouble up there.
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You just wouldn't really hear
somebody yelling,
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screaming,
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unless you were
right there witnessing it all.
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Just by the nature of living in
such a place like Mount Baldy,
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without having company,
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or without there being lots of
people around,
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you can become an easy
and likely target for a crime.
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There had been a burglary.
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A computer and a lot of
material things were taken out
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of the cabin.
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The Sheriff's Department in
San Bernardino County came out.
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The police did not have
any witnesses.
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There's no signs of
forced entry.
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There's no forensic evidence.
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They believed that the person
or persons who committed
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this crime could be from
inside the community.
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And that brought up all these
questions about Jack.
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I thought about when Marcia,
Jack, and Judy were
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fighting outside.
Jack was obviously upset.
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That whole thing was weird.
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Jack disappears
and nobody sees him.
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Nobody knows where he's at.
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And then the cabin
is burglarized.
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It was possible that Jack
wasn't missing,
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and, or decided he wanted to
come home to his cabin.
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Marcia and Judy felt afraid
for their safety.
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And at that time,
they decided it was time to
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pack up and leave.
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And they gave me
their phone number and said,
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"Don't give this
to anybody else.
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We're gonna be staying
with some friends."
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Anytime somebody leaves,
you always let your neighbor
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know, "Hey, I'm going to be out
of town for a week, keep an eye
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on my cabin."
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So I said I would keep an eye
on their cabin when they left.
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In Southern California,
peak season for wildfires is
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late summer and into
the early fall.
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The fire happened in
August of 2000.
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I ran up the street to see
what was going on...
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...and I see this plume of smoke
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and it was just black.
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It was a terrible fire.
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The fire department from all
different counties were there.
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The community was saved,
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and so we were very lucky.
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Nobody was inside the cabin.
Nobody was injured.
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Unfortunately, the cabin
was destroyed.
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Just a shell of a house.
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The insurance company hired
a private fire investigator.
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But this wasn't the result
of a wildfire.
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The fire came from the cabin.
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When I talked to the fire
inspector guy that day,
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after the fire and everything
was out, and he did his,
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you know, report,
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and he told me that there
was an accelerant.
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I thought, oh my god.
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So that kind of leaves only one
thing, and that being arson.
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Judy and Marcia would have to
be asking themselves, "Why us?"
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That made me very scared.
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Because anybody starting a fire
up here, it'd be like starting
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a fire in their own backyard.
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That could have spread
real quick.
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I can never
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imagine someone doing that.
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It was evident that someone
didn't want them there.
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And at that time,
Marcia and Judy decided it was
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time to leave Mount Baldy
for good.
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And so they moved to
the Alpine area.
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Then they started a new life.
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Jack has been missing for over
a year and a half.
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And the Upland Police
Department had really
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hit a wall.
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These strange events that have
been plaguing the cabin where
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Jack Irwin used to live.
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There had been
a break-in, a burglary.
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And then shortly after,
there was a suspicious fire.
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And the police think that these
crimes are connected to
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Jack's disappearance.
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We made a decision as an agency
to bring in the San Bernardino
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County District Attorney's
Office to investigate further.
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Morey Weiss was already up on
the mountain, and so he wants
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to see the remains of this
cabin that's at the center of
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all this controversy,
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to look for any piece
of evidence,
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no matter how small.
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I went to the cabin alone.
It was a mess.
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It was burned.
It was really burned.
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There was a deck on the front
of the house, and there was
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a storage area underneath that.
I found a box
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that the fire investigator
didn't say anything about.
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When Morey Weiss unlocks this
box, the investigation went in
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a direction that was much
more sinister.
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Morey Weiss was down where
Jack's cabin had burned down.
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There was a box
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that was sitting outside.
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I'm not sure how long
it had been there,
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but there was a number of
different types of
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paperwork in it.
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And I remember going through it
and thinking that we may be
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starting to look for something
a lot more detailed.
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Before he went missing,
Jack had signed a trust that
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named Marcia and Judy as
beneficiaries and also gave
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them power of attorney.
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There's every reason to believe
that Jack
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voluntarily, and with knowledge
signed the power of attorney
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knowing exactly what he was
doing, which was empowering
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Marcia and Judy to spend
his funds to support
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and benefit him.
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I went to the neighborhood.
I started talking to neighbors.
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Everybody in the mountain knew
who Jack was and there were
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a lot of things that came out.
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That really started to light
things up.
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After Jack made them his power
of attorney, he was complaining
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to me that the girls had never
made a payment on the house.
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Both Judy and Marcia had
declared bankruptcy.
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So the arrangement they had is
that they would pay him $582
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a month for ten years, at which
time Jack would turn over
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the title of the cabin to them.
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But in eight months time,
they had only made two payments
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to Jack, and he
wanted his money.
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Then I saw new cars parked up
at the house.
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They had bought a new Jeep
and a new Corvette,
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a new motorhome.
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I mean, these women,
when they first came to town,
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really didn't seem to
have anything.
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And so when you started hearing
that they were buying all these
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things, that made us wonder,
OK, where is Jack's money?
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I was able to write
a search warrant for
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the banking information.
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And I just started putting
spreadsheets together that had
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each transaction
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and where it went
and what it went for.
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They took Jack's money,
and they immediately spent it
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on big purchases--
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a Corvette, the Jeep Wrangler.
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After that, there were multiple
withdrawals from Jack's account
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to Marcia Johnson.
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She's taken another $7,500.
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Then she's
taken another $10,000.
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And she kept on just taking
more and more and more
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until she took it all.
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And that led them to me,
and Sergeant Bobby Dean.
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This is very shocking that
these two women thought it was
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appropriate to purchase these
big items as Jack's trustees.
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So at that point, I called
Marcia and Judy and said,
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"OK, what in these expenses is
for the benefit of Jack Irwin?"
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Marcia said they had spent
a lot of Jack's money buying
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computer equipment because
she and Jack intended to start
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00:26:46,586 --> 00:26:50,931
a computer business, and that
she bought that Corvette to
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00:26:50,931 --> 00:26:53,482
take Jack to
and from the doctor.
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It's something that
we didn't believe.
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00:26:58,379 --> 00:27:00,896
Marcia or Judy
made a statement.
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00:27:00,896 --> 00:27:03,448
"We're on the trust.
We didn't do anything wrong."
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This was
trade fraud, theft.
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00:27:06,103 --> 00:27:08,482
They were just there to take
advantage of him.
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I had had some elder abuse
cases in my background
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that I'd worked.
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I told them the attorneys were
reviewing the matter,
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and I would be in touch with
them to let them know if there
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was a decision made to file
charges or not.
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It's difficult for Morey
at that point because he can't
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00:27:25,413 --> 00:27:29,310
dispute Marcia and Judy's
statements to prove that those
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withdrawals were
not authorized.
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00:27:31,068 --> 00:27:32,827
We've just gotta find Jack.
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00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,034
Jack was very conscious
of his money.
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00:27:36,034 --> 00:27:37,379
He knew how much he had.
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00:27:37,379 --> 00:27:41,172
And if his money was missing,
he was going to be knocking on
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00:27:41,172 --> 00:27:43,517
somebody's door to find
out why.
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00:27:43,517 --> 00:27:47,413
And we suspected that Jack put
the pressure on Judy and Marcia
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00:27:47,413 --> 00:27:49,724
and wanted to retaliate.
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00:27:49,724 --> 00:27:51,034
I learned about the burglary.
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00:27:51,034 --> 00:27:53,137
I knew about the fire.
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00:27:53,137 --> 00:27:55,724
These crimes went unsolved.
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00:27:55,724 --> 00:27:57,689
They could never find out
who the actual
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00:27:57,689 --> 00:27:59,275
perpetrators were.
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00:27:59,275 --> 00:28:02,724
That made us wonder if they had
anything to do with Jack.
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At that point, Bobby looked at
both Chris and I.
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00:28:07,620 --> 00:28:11,793
He said, "This would be a great
case for a telephone wiretap."
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A wiretap on Marcia and Judy
could elicit some statements
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00:28:15,689 --> 00:28:17,275
that would reveal
more information.
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00:28:21,689 --> 00:28:24,827
This has to be authorized
by the courts.
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00:28:24,827 --> 00:28:28,482
And once it's granted,
investigators will use
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a strategy that we call
"tickling the wire."
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Every three days, we were going
to initiate some type of
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00:28:38,068 --> 00:28:39,655
contact with Marcia and Judy
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when Marcia and Judy
are separate.
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00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,482
They're not aware
they're being recorded.
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We didn't have a warrant.
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I had a charging letter from
the District Attorney.
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00:29:29,275 --> 00:29:31,586
I was parked right around
the corner from her house
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in Alpine.
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00:29:32,758 --> 00:29:34,482
So I just drove right around
the corner, knocked on
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the door, and handed
her the letter.
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00:29:36,482 --> 00:29:38,586
There were a number of charges.
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00:29:39,344 --> 00:29:42,931
Grand theft, fraud,
elder abuse.
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00:29:46,068 --> 00:29:48,241
On that charging letter,
it said that they needed to
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surrender themselves to
the court in two weeks.
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00:29:51,862 --> 00:29:55,724
I got back in the car and left,
and she's on the phone to Judy.
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00:30:20,172 --> 00:30:23,827
Marcia, she was pretty shook up
about the whole thing.
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00:30:24,689 --> 00:30:28,517
We were hoping to get more
information as
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00:30:28,517 --> 00:30:29,931
the wires continued.
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00:30:34,172 --> 00:30:36,517
At this point,
the investigators turn up
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00:30:36,517 --> 00:30:39,413
the heat on Judy and Marcia.
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00:30:39,413 --> 00:30:43,034
After they had moved from
the cabin and were living in
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Alpine, Judy had been working
at the California Department
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00:30:46,137 --> 00:30:47,000
of Corrections.
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00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,206
The whole place was
run by cops.
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00:30:56,241 --> 00:30:59,241
Me and my partner,
Detective Perez, went down
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00:30:59,241 --> 00:31:03,137
and seized her car,
astounded her.
445
00:31:03,137 --> 00:31:04,793
"What do you mean?
What are you doing?
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00:31:04,793 --> 00:31:06,517
Why can't you do this
someplace else?"
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00:31:06,517 --> 00:31:07,965
It was all the plan.
448
00:31:10,137 --> 00:31:13,241
We knew that that was going to
require a phone call,
449
00:31:13,241 --> 00:31:16,206
because now Judy needs
a ride home.
450
00:31:44,275 --> 00:31:47,344
You try to give them anxiety,
because people that are anxious
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00:31:47,344 --> 00:31:48,862
make mistakes.
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00:31:50,172 --> 00:31:53,241
On the ride up to get Judy,
Marcia called her aunt.
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00:31:55,172 --> 00:31:57,275
We were monitoring the wires,
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00:31:57,275 --> 00:31:59,620
and I was in the office when
the call came in.
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00:32:29,172 --> 00:32:32,000
I was in the office, and one of
my detectives called me
456
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,689
and said, "Hey,
you got to hear this."
457
00:32:53,344 --> 00:32:57,000
Marcia Johnson indicated that
she'd killed Jack Irwin.
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00:32:57,896 --> 00:32:59,413
It was like, wow.
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00:33:00,172 --> 00:33:03,620
It wasn't like Marcia and Judy
took all his money in one day
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00:33:03,620 --> 00:33:05,379
and left and took off.
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00:33:05,379 --> 00:33:08,793
They did it over
a period of months.
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00:33:08,793 --> 00:33:11,275
And that would lead trained
investigators to say,
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00:33:11,275 --> 00:33:13,379
they knew he wasn't going to
come back.
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00:33:15,965 --> 00:33:17,551
We hoped that
she would turn herself in.
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00:33:17,551 --> 00:33:18,724
Did we believe it?
No.
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00:33:18,724 --> 00:33:22,275
At that time, the team decided
to make the arrest.
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00:33:30,344 --> 00:33:31,965
She was cooperative.
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00:33:31,965 --> 00:33:35,344
The main thing she wanted to
get across was
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Judy had nothing to do with it.
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00:33:36,724 --> 00:33:38,689
Judy had nothing to do
with this.
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00:33:44,689 --> 00:33:46,586
By the time we get back to
San Bernardino,
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00:33:46,586 --> 00:33:48,413
it's two, three in the morning.
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00:33:48,413 --> 00:33:50,275
In the interview room,
she just
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00:33:51,344 --> 00:33:52,724
lets it all go.
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00:34:13,586 --> 00:34:17,482
The reason Jack went to
the cabin was because he was
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00:34:17,482 --> 00:34:18,724
not getting paid.
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00:34:21,379 --> 00:34:23,172
And there was an argument.
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00:36:01,172 --> 00:36:05,137
It's really quite remarkable
how matter of fact she was.
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00:36:05,137 --> 00:36:07,000
It's really one of the most
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00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,620
cold-blooded things I've seen
in 33 years of police work.
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00:36:38,689 --> 00:36:43,620
She took all of these body
parts down to various parts of
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00:36:43,620 --> 00:36:47,137
the mountain where she was
discarding them.
483
00:36:48,551 --> 00:36:53,758
We spent many days up and down
the mountain, but it was so
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00:36:53,758 --> 00:36:57,620
vast without having
an exact location.
485
00:36:57,620 --> 00:36:59,620
It's like looking for
a needle in a haystack.
486
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No part of his body has ever
been found.
487
00:37:24,551 --> 00:37:29,310
How can anybody in their right
mind take a chainsaw,
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00:37:30,379 --> 00:37:33,655
fire that thing up,
and cut somebody up?
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00:37:33,655 --> 00:37:37,137
I mean, I-- I-- that
to me, is just...
490
00:37:38,896 --> 00:37:40,413
...sick.
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00:37:42,068 --> 00:37:44,586
And then her attitude
afterward, it's like,
492
00:37:45,586 --> 00:37:46,965
I can do whatever I want.
493
00:37:49,068 --> 00:37:53,931
And in addition to confessing
to Jack's murder, Marcia admits
494
00:37:53,931 --> 00:37:56,241
that she set fire to the cabin.
495
00:37:57,689 --> 00:38:01,000
She burned the cabin down to
make it look like that
496
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,758
they were victims.
497
00:38:03,482 --> 00:38:07,000
Marcia also reveals that this
burglary that supposedly took
498
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,034
place in July of 2000,
it never happened.
499
00:38:11,034 --> 00:38:15,620
She had hidden the things that
she reported as being stolen.
500
00:38:15,620 --> 00:38:18,172
It was done for the purposes of
getting insurance money.
501
00:38:19,758 --> 00:38:23,068
Between the money from Jack,
insurance claims,
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00:38:23,068 --> 00:38:24,896
everything they got
503
00:38:25,689 --> 00:38:28,241
came out to around $470,000.
504
00:38:33,172 --> 00:38:35,620
Marcia was charged with murder
505
00:38:36,379 --> 00:38:38,310
and 34 other counts.
506
00:38:39,448 --> 00:38:41,000
She was found guilty of murder,
507
00:38:42,379 --> 00:38:43,448
arson,
508
00:38:43,448 --> 00:38:47,827
grand theft, grand theft
auto, insurance fraud,
509
00:38:47,827 --> 00:38:51,827
elder abuse, and false report
of a burglary.
510
00:38:51,827 --> 00:38:54,931
She was sentenced to life
without possibility of parole.
511
00:39:05,482 --> 00:39:08,172
The District Attorney's Office
had determined that they were
512
00:39:08,172 --> 00:39:11,586
going to use Judy Gellert as
a witness against
513
00:39:11,586 --> 00:39:15,793
Marcia Johnson, and that
she would get a plea deal.
514
00:39:15,793 --> 00:39:18,034
Judy knew about the money.
She was there.
515
00:39:18,034 --> 00:39:19,689
She spent it too.
516
00:39:19,689 --> 00:39:22,068
She was part of
the whole thing,
517
00:39:22,068 --> 00:39:24,931
so I was very upset
about that.
518
00:39:25,689 --> 00:39:29,931
She only wound up pleading
guilty to one count of
519
00:39:29,931 --> 00:39:32,379
receiving stolen property.
520
00:39:32,379 --> 00:39:39,310
She was sentenced to 180 days
in jail and restitution in
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00:39:39,310 --> 00:39:41,931
the amount of $150,000.
522
00:39:48,965 --> 00:39:54,034
When I heard that Marcia
had been
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00:39:54,034 --> 00:39:56,379
arrested for Jack's murder,
524
00:39:56,379 --> 00:40:00,103
It was something that
I couldn't believe happened.
525
00:40:00,103 --> 00:40:03,965
People in the community all
knew that Judy and Marcia
526
00:40:03,965 --> 00:40:05,275
were a couple.
527
00:40:05,275 --> 00:40:10,689
And nobody put them down
because of that, not even Jack.
528
00:40:10,689 --> 00:40:14,551
The investigation revealed that
Jack was very fond of
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00:40:14,551 --> 00:40:16,068
Judy and Marcia.
530
00:40:16,068 --> 00:40:19,068
Jack had told me that
they had said that
531
00:40:19,068 --> 00:40:21,448
they were family to him.
532
00:40:21,448 --> 00:40:24,655
They were very convincing,
and I don't think
533
00:40:24,655 --> 00:40:25,758
he doubted them.
534
00:40:27,137 --> 00:40:29,103
It was all about money,
535
00:40:30,896 --> 00:40:33,724
and he was easy pickings
to them.
536
00:40:35,482 --> 00:40:39,000
I just think that's the worst
thing you can do to an older
537
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,448
person, because all
he wanted was friends.
538
00:40:42,448 --> 00:40:44,793
They tried to be
539
00:40:44,793 --> 00:40:48,896
like they cared about him,
and they were not people that
540
00:40:48,896 --> 00:40:50,172
cared about him at all.
541
00:40:52,586 --> 00:40:55,103
There are bad people in
the world that have
542
00:40:55,103 --> 00:40:59,620
ill intentions.
And it's just tragic.
543
00:41:05,793 --> 00:41:11,931
I was privileged to know Jack.
He is godfather to our son.
544
00:41:13,275 --> 00:41:17,000
He was very much
a part of our family,
545
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,241
and it wasn't just us.
546
00:41:19,241 --> 00:41:25,275
It was a community that loved
Jack and missed him.
547
00:41:25,275 --> 00:41:30,482
More than anything, I remember
the love he gave to us,
548
00:41:30,482 --> 00:41:32,448
and that'll never go away.
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