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- [Narrator] Darcy Weir is an independent researcher

and filmmaker who has traveled around the world

to study the UFO phenomenon.

- [Darcy] Back in August of 2020, under a shroud

of secrecy, the UAP task force was clandestinely brought

into existence within the shadows

of the enigmatic US Department of Defense.

The purpose of the UAP task force,

to delve into the enigma surrounding reports

of unidentified aerial phenomenon.

Those elusive apparition like flying objects,

more colloquially dubbed as UFOs.

Surprisingly, rumors were abuzz

in the intelligence community of military encounters

with craft that demonstrated transmedium capabilities.

In 2021, the intelligence community had a widely circulated

report of UAPs that were photographed in years prior.

One said object that was included

in the report was photographed in 2019

by an F-18 fighter pilot and described

as a large equilateral triangle

with rounded or blunted edges

and large perfectly spherical white lights in each corner.

This triangular craft was said to emerge from the ocean

and then began to ascend straight upwards

at a 90 degree angle.

UAP that have originated in the ocean,

that have been described by navy submarines

and other personnel within the military have been described

by the UFO community for decades

as USOs, unidentified submerged objects.

You know, that the fact

of an object not seemingly being affected by going

from one medium, air to another medium, water.

There are cases of these objects entering without a splash.

Sometimes there is a splash, sometimes there isn't.

It could be whether a certain field is on or not though,

and not necessarily slowing down at all

when they enter the water.

- [Darcy] The United States Navy secretly classifis USOs

as fast movers, which display remarkable speeds

and agility beyond the capabilities

of known human made submersibles.

These sightings and detections have peaked the interest

of the UAP task force,

and it seems they have been cataloging the transmedium

capabilities of these objects

for the intelligence community and the DoD.

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The story begins with the GoFast UAP video and NASA's-

- UAP evidence.

But part of our statement of task is

to assess the scientific analysis techniques

that are available and how we might use them

to determine physical constraints on UAP.

You know, the UAP reports

with the most detailed contextual information are the ones

from the Navy aviators with known separation

in time, you can figure out how far it moved.

And in this case, this object moved about 390 meters

in 22 seconds, and that corresponds

to a velocity of just 40 miles per hour.

This is a parallax effect case.

Thank you.

- My questions regarding this phenomena led me

to American Oceanographer

and retired rear Admiral, Tim Gallaudet.

How long did you serve for the Navy and worked for NOAA?

- I served in the Navy for 32 years,

and I then worked for NOAA

after that for about three and a half years.

- While you were serving in the Navy, you had an encounter,

well, you witnessed something while aboard a ship

or while were you at, you know, a Navy office

when you saw this video?

Right, so I was in my office

and the situation was, I was the commander

of all the US Navy's meteorologists and oceanographers.

And so my job was to oversee them

and they deployed on various ships for training

and for operations.

And during 2015, the Navy was conducting a large exercise

off the US East Coast involving the USS Theodore Roosevelt.

And I received an email on the Navy's secret network,

and it was from my boss at US Fleet Forces Command,

the operations officer that worked for him,

two star Admiral, overseeing this exercise

and the title

of the email was "Urgent Safety Of Flight Issue."

And in the body of the email, he was very brief

and said, "If any of you,"

and there were about 20 other admirals,

and one and two stars addressed

that were under the US Fleet Forces command,

"If any of you know what these are, tell me ASAP

because we're having numerous near mid-air collisions

and we might have to cancel the exercise."

And attached was the now famous and leaked GoFast video.

(static hissing)

- [Official] Tango, six one, Tango, object (indistinct).

- [Official 2] Oh, got it! (laughs)

- [Official] Roger, there's trouble shooting (indistinct).

- [Official 2] You got smoking target.

- No, I took an auto track. - Oh, okay.

Oh my gosh, dude. Wow.

- [Official] What is that, man? Look at it fly.

- Of course I was surprised, but I knew then and there

that we didn't have technology that could do that.

And I knew it wasn't an adversary's capability

because that was a US training range,

which is strictly controlled

and we would not have allowed any ship, foreign ship

to deploy something like that.

And so we had monitored that range very strictly.

And so I received that email and I knew then

that this was likely extraterrestrial origin

that people have long speculated about.

And I called in my deputy, he was a senior civilian,

and he and I spoke at length about this,

and we were surprised, but a little bit not surprised

because of all that's been coming out.

And the more interesting thing is the next day it was wiped

from my computer and my deputy's

and everybody else who was on the email.

And so I knew then that I surmised

that this must have been in some kind

of compartmented program

and that this two star admiral had sent it

to us, he didn't know about it

and then whoever was in control of this program found out,

and they of course withdrew all the information.

And what was interesting

to me though is I was the chief meteorologist in the Navy,

and my job was safety of flight

for whenever air operations are going on

that my meteorologists were forecasting for those.

And so this was a real top priority for me.

And I could not-

- [Darcy] Like flights off of aircraft carriers,

flights off of whatever.

- Airfield off the land airfield training

or aircraft carriers, both in training events like this one

or deployed overseas, which I have done.

I've served on a Navy aircraft carrier.

And so what what was surprising is

that I met with my commander and his staff

and all the other subordinate commanders

that were on this email thread every month.

And the next meeting and the next, the next,

none of this was ever talked about.

I mean, we almost canceled a major exercise required

to deploy overseas to the fifth fleet.

And these are so structured and the timing is so compressed

that to do so is a real major deal.

The four star knew for sure.

He probably reported to the chief of naval operations

and no one ever talked about it.

I couldn't believe it.

But again, I figured it was

in some intelligence communities black program

and that's why no one talked about it.

But then, you know, after I got outta the Navy

and the government, that's when I began speaking up about it

and it had already been leaked in the New York Times.

- Okay, so this was 2015, you saw this.

You were in service.

Do you think the gentleman within the Navy who shared

that email got reprimanded for doing so?

- Oh, I have no way of knowing. I doubt it.

This is a real fine officer with impeccable integrity.

He was just doing his job

and well, I mean, so I would not know.

But his boss was a very, I won't name names,

but the four star who was his boss,

US Fleet Forces commander, no matter

what intelligence community official, he woulde stood

by his people.

He was a great leader. I highly doubt it.

Because, I mean, his boss, the four star,

he would never reprimand him for something like that.

That's doing his job, safety of flight.

- But you knew that it's in the middle of the ocean.

It's not a drone because drones need more fuel

and more, let's say battery.

- Well, it was a small circular object.

It had none of the features of any of the drones operating

in the US inventory or any of our adversaries.

So it's definitely not a human made drone

in the appearance of it.

- Yeah, could have been a non-human intelligence drone

though, for all we know.

- Well, now we know after this historic hearing.

Yes, in all likelihood, it was.

- I'll now recognize Mr. Graves for five minutes

for your opening statement.

- Thank you, Chairman Grothman, ranking member Garcia,

distinguished members of the House Oversight Subcommittee

on National Security, Representative Burchett and Luna.

My name is Ryan FOBS Graves,

and I'm a former F-18 pilot

with a decade of service in the US Navy,

including two deployments

in Operation Enduring Freedom

and Operation Inherent Resolve.

I have experienced advanced UAP firsthand,

and I'm here to voice the concerns

of more than 30 commercial air crew and military veterans

who have confided their similar encounters with me.

In 2014, I was an F-18 Foxtrot pilot

in the Navy Fighter Attack Squadron 11, the Red Rippers,

and I was stationed at NAS Oceana in Virginia Beach.

After upgrades were made to our jet's radar systems,

we began detecting unknown objects operating

in our airspace.

At first, we assumed they were radar errors,

but soon we began to correlate the radar tracks

with multiple onboard sensors, including infrared systems,

eventually through visual ID.

During a training mission in warning area Whiskey-72,

10 miles off the coast of Virginia Beach,

two F-18 Super Hornets were split by a UAP.

The object described as a dark gray or a black cube inside

of a clear sphere came within 50 feet of the lead aircraft

and was estimated to be five to 15 feet in diameter.

The mission commander terminated the flight immediately

and returned to base.

Our squadron submitted a safety report,

but there was no official acknowledgement of the incident

and no further mechanism to report the sightings.

Soon these encounters became so frequent

that aircrew would discuss the risk

of UAP as part of their regular pre-flight briefs.

- And there were many of them, by the way.

- Ryan Graves was saying

that these were showing up on your sensors for days.

- Right.

In fact, this was the exact time

Ryan Graves was flying.

He was flying off the Theodore Roosevelt

and so these were the objects he was seeing

when he was flying.

- Do you think the Navy knows, like generals

and servicemen are well aware of UAPs

or USOs, unidentified submerged objects in our oceans?

- I've talked to a few retired officers

who have seen sonar signatures of these

that can't be explained by anything made by our navy

or our adversary navies.

And so obviously there's a working level knowledge.

It's not throughout the fleet,

but there are known occurrences.

I also have been talking to this growing community

of experts, people like Lou Elizondo and Chris Mellon.

I've even published an article with Chris Mellon

and they know and have interviewed people

who seen these objects either

on their sensor data or visually.

- Mr. Fravor, do you believe

that you witnessed an additional object under the water

in relation to your encounter?

- I will say we did not see an object.

There was something there to cause the whitewater,

and when we turned around, it was gone.

So there was something there that obviously moved.

- Okay, but it was not the same object though

that you were looking at, correct?

- No, we actually joked that the Tic-Tac was communicating

with something when we came back

and because whitewater disappeared.

- Obviously, you're very interested

in what's going on in our oceans, right?

So have you ever heard of the term being discussed

by even these retired navy men of what's called fast movers?

- I have.

And no, I can't confirm

there is an official program like that.

I don't have working knowledge of it,

but I've talked to people who do, and I'll just say that.

- Technically anything they've spoken

to you about is completely classified

and you're not at liberty to discuss that.

- Right.

And look just like all the UAP information

that Dave Grusch has been coming forward with,

so that right now, all of that has not been disclosed.

- It's classified. - Yeah.

- Do you have any personal knowledge of people

who have been harmed or injured in efforts to cover up

or conceal these extraterrestrial technology?

- Yes, personally.

- Have you heard anyone been murdered

that you know of or have heard of, I guess?

- I have to be careful asking that question.

I directed people with that knowledge

to the appropriate authorities.

- Maybe if we could get it

in a confidential area of SCIF, we could talk about that

but unfortunately, we were denied access to the SCIF

and that's very unfortunate in this scenario.

- In the pursuit to uncover more

about a supposed fast mover program

within the Navy, I was led

to Mark D'Antonio, an astronomer photo and video analyst

for MUFON Mutual UFO Network.

Mark would share with me his experience

with a USO while aboard a navy submarine.

Now, I heard through the grapevine that you had a experience

with what some people call a fast mover in the Navy.

- Yeah, I can tell you about that.

- Can you tell me

about first possible like navy encounters

with what are described as USOs?

- Yeah, I mean, USOs are really important

unknown submersible objects.

And that what happened years earlier in the Atlantic Ocean.

Decades ago, that's plural, decades ago,

I was doing some work for the Navy, I still do work

for the Navy, and I was asked if I wanted

to go on a submarine for a little trip so I did.

And while on that sub, that one only time I ever went

on a sub for this trip, I got seasick of course,

because I'm not a sailor.

And so when I got on the boat, I was just hoping

to keep my stomach intact.

On the surface, they roll like you can't believe, you know,

especially when there's a storm passing through, hello.

But when they're underwater, it feels like this right here.

You don't know you're moving,

then you might feel a little vibration.

Okay, it goes through your feet

as it changed water temperature or whatever, but that's it.

So once we were smooth, I went and sat in a sonar shack,

which is four consoles.

The first console was manned.

The second console, third and fourth were not.

I asked if I could sit in the second

and they said, "Yes, just don't touch anything."

"I won't touch it."

And so I sat there trying to regain my stomach

and I sat there like this going,

okay, don't throw up on the captain's shoes.

We're gonna have dinner with 'em later.

Oh God, I don't want to eat, you know?

And so the nature of a submarine is that it's noisy inside.

You hear air.

- All the motors and machines.

- There are all kinds of machinery.

And of course the navy prides itself

on not letting that noise get out of a hull.

So I sat there and that constant din

of white noise was actually putting me asleep.

So I ended up just nodding off

and all of a sudden I'm awakened by the sonar guy.

"Con sonar, con sonar, fast mover, fast mover."

I jolt awake going, "Fast mover? Oh no.

Oh no, it's a torpedo."

I immediately got adrenaline surge.

I thought I was about to die inside this iron coffin.

That's what I thought.

And the executive officer just sort

of saunters around the corner

and he looks down, I'm thinking, wow, he's pretty calm

in the face of a torpedo incoming.

At least I made it into a torpedo.

And the XO as their called looks around

and says, "What do you got?"

And the kid was facing that way and the XO was facing me.

I'm at the edge of my seat leaning like it's something

you do every day, trying to hear the conversation

'cause it was hard to hear.

And the kid gave him the bearing

in the range softer than next sentence

and I didn't hear that.

But I did hear when the XO asked for the speed

and the kid said loudly, he turned in his seat like this

and he held his hands out.

And at first he didn't say anything.

He's like, "Several hundred knots, sir."

And he just kept his hands like this, right,

'cause he didn't know what to do with it.

A sonar guy is supposed

to classify every single thing they see.

They're supposed to know.

This one, he didn't know because he couldn't possibly know.

And so he was like this, not knowing what to do.

And the XO said to him, "Okay, log and dog it."

And he went, "Sir, yes sir," and he went right back

to work, no questions asked, nothing.

Well, me, Mr. Bigshot, because I was invited, you see,

on this boat, so I'm an important person.

I know you can see where this is going.

I get up and I go over to the XO

and I said, "Sir, well I'm familiar with these fast movers.

Is there anything I can help you with?"

By the way, seasickness gone.

As soon as I heard this, I was like, gone.

You know, so it's psychological in part.

I say, "Is there anything I can help you with, sir?"

He looks at me and he goes, "D'Antonio, right?"

I go, "Sir, yes sir."

He says, "You're having a good trip so far?

"Sir, yes, sir."

And he goes, "Let's keep it that way."

Okay. And he walked away.

So I was like, okay.

And he said it in a nice way.

He wasn't like, let's keep it that.

He said, "Let's keep it that way,"

and he turned and walked away.

- [Darcy] He doesn't wanna talk about it.

- He didn't wanna talk about it.

And I thought if I saw something

on just one trip, they must be very common,

so I started looking into it and they are.

I found other submarines and they laugh,

"Oh yeah, we call those things jellyfish on our boat."

"Jellyfish?"

"Yeah, Just to classify 'em 'cause they don't go anywhere.

We don't know what they are." - It's just a code word.

- They don't make noise

so that's sort of like the little in joke, right?

Jellyfish don't make noises.

So they call 'em jellyfish just to name them something.

- So how does sonar work?

Can you kind of explain that for the audience a little bit?

Is it like an echolocation sort of technology?

- Sonar is a lot like light.

And the physics of light are,

you have might have a source like the sun

and it emits photons and the light bounces off an object

and then hits your eye and that allows you

to register what that is.

Sonar works in the same way, but at much lower frequencies.

And so a pulse is emitted from a transducer or an object

that emanates sound, and it is received by a hydrophone

and it's basically vibrations of the molecules in the water

and that's what registers a sound at a certain signal level.

- [Darcy] So an object that is emitting.

- Yeah, and there's two forms of it.

There's passive sonar, which just listens for noise

that's generated by anything

and then there's active sonar, which is like radar.

And it's where something like a sonar, a USS ship

or submarine emits a sound signal

and it bounces off an object and comes back

and allows you to determine the distance

to which that object is

and also over time, it's speed.

- [Darcy] That's when you're pinging someone.

- That's right. Exactly right, yeah.

- And then several years later, I have to do a job

for the joint chiefs down in Washington.

In fact, it was a presidential model, had to do

for the president of the United States.

So I did this model, I drove it down.

I went to a home of one of the joint chiefs,

and I sat with him in his house, in his living room,

and I asked him a question.

My brain said, "Don't ask.

Don't ask the question. Don't say it."

I was already saying it,

"Sir, what can you tell me about the Fast Mover program?"

And that's where you ruin friendships

and relationships is when you start prying.

You know, I had a high clearance at the time

and I didn't wanna jeopardize that,

but something made me ask

and I immediately went, oh,

like that, I shouldn't have asked

and I think he picked up on that.

He kinda smiled. He goes, "I'm sorry, Marc.

I can't talk about that program."

- This is the second in command for the Navy?

- Yes.

- And he- - What's his name?

- I can't give that to you.

Okay, because you probably can research it,

but it was decades ago. - What year?

- This was decades ago.

I can't talk about that.

It's the nature of my trip, the nature, I can't talk.

And that's part of the problem, isn't it,

with this world?

People will doubt anything you say

if you can't give 'em all the details, you know?

Well, I'm sorry, that's just what has to be lived with.

- [Darcy] It's classified.

- It just that I can't talk about it.

- [Darcy] And you have a nondisclosure agreement.

- Well, you have a non jail time agreement.

If you violate that, you're going to jail, you kno?

And I get mad when I see politicians violate this,

and nothing happens to 'em

but if I violate it, I'm going right to the can, you know?

So I've never done that. I never will, I can't.

- [Darcy] All of this talk about submarines

and the USO phenomenon reminded me

that I could go see my friend,

Jim Goodall in Tucson, Arizona.

Having written a book

on our Navy subs, this man has probably been

aboard more submarines than any civilian,

and perhaps more than some navy men.

When you hear about navy submarine seamen witnessing

or noticing on sonar USO activity,

objects that are moving, you know,

300 knots plus in the water.

- I don't know the date involved,

and I won't use the gentleman's name,

even though he's mentioned it publicly and has been in print

that during some testing

on the the Los Angeles class improved 688

Los Angeles Class fast attack submarine,

the USS Hampton, I think it's SSN 767.

They were doing something new with the sonar,

and an object was being picked up on sonar as a fast mover

and it went zipping by 'em.

And the sonar operator said, "That went

by us and in excess of 800 miles an hour."

- [Darcy] Wow.

- And it wasn't a biologic

and it wasn't an error in the processor

because there are multiple sensors picked up this object,

whatever it was.

They have no explanation for it.

Of course, the Navy is not saying anything about it

because, you know, if they admit that something happened,

then, you know, they're gonna have

to come up with an answer.

And if they deny it, there's no consequences for saying no.

99.9% of the operational military submarines

have a test depth, which is whether they're limited

to go beyond of 1200 feet.

Virginia class is about to be about 1500 feet.

And the three Seawolf boats, it's 2000 feet.

- [Darcy] What's the fastest speed

that a submarine is known to travel at?

- [Jim] Well, when I think,

when the USS Connecticut hit the sea,

it hit the sea out here not too long ago,

and I was on that sub 2017.

I think they were doing like 35 knots,

that's 40 miles an hour.

Now, when the San Francisco hit, that was SSN 711,

they had had the nose hatch to the sonar catwalk open.

It's a 32 or 34 inch hole.

It's six inches thick of HY-80 steel.

And the HY-80 stands for,

you can go 80,000 PSI before it starts to deform.

The newer subs are using HY-100.

And it's only produced, I think, in, you know, one

or two mills under exclusive contract of United States Navy.

- [Darcy] So you think it's really about 40 miles per hour

that our technology can withstand, you know, ocean

drag effects and the water?

They can go a little faster than that.

- [Jim] Well, yeah, the Russians have claimed

they have torpedoes that go 200 or 400 miles an hour

and that's because they are putting a stream of air-

- [Darcy] In front of them.

- In front of it. - So it creates an envelope?

- Yeah, and that's why like

when they fire a ballistic missile out

of one of our Ohio boats, they're about 150 feet deep

when they launch.

And the rocket, the Trident two doesn't even get wet

because the blast of air pushing the thing out

envelops the entire sub, I mean the entire missile.

And then once it clears the water, then it ignites.

(thunder crashing)

I've always been fascinated with submarines.

And I can remember back in the '60s, I wrote

General Dynamics Electric Boat in Groton, Connecticut,

and asked for some photos or anything they have on the,

at the time it was the fleet ballistic missile submarine

they called the 41 for freedom ballistic missile subs

and fast attacks, the early fast attacks.

And they sent me some stuff, but that was about it.

And I had an opportunity in 2004

to go for a ride on the Henry M. Jackson.

That is the SSBN 730.

It is a 560 foot long, 18,000 tons submerged

nuclear powered ballistic missile submarine.

Prior to assault treaties, they had 24 missile tubes,

and each one of the D5 missiles,

which are the most advanced missiles

that it carries, could carry up

to 14 quarter megaton hydrogen bombs times 24

but because the saw they had to put ballast

in four of the middle tubes.

But I had a chance to go out, we went out

through the Strait of Juan de Fuca.

I'm up in there in the sail and I'm looking around

and saying, you know, Gene Hackman

and Denzel Washington don't have a thing on me.

- I concur, sir.

- [Darcy] When you think

of these massive nuclear war boats going out

to North Korea, right, and we're in the middle

of a potential war, right, World War III, possibly.

I know that you don't think it's actually gonna happen,

but what if one of those things sinks

and detonates at the bottom of the ocean?

Like could that-

- [Jim] A nuclear weapon or-

- [Darcy] Yeah, like a massive nuclear warhead.

A warhead that's on one of those U-boats, you know, like

what if that detonates in the ocean,

would that be radioactive to the planet, like that mess up?

- The precision and maintenance

of nuclear weapons is very intensive.

The radiation destroys metal and it destroys electronics.

So they have to continuously upgrade and update,

plus the plutonium, it starts decay.

It has a half life of 25,000 years or something like that.

- [Darcy] Considering the dangers of nuclear weapons

maybe we shouldn't always rely on aliens above

and below to save our asses.

Would you think it's fair to say that the Navy,

and, you know, the NOAA

and the different oceanic scientific organizations

still don't know everything that's down there in the bottom?

- I mean, you know, do we know that everything's, you know,

below the surface of the ocean.

We only know about 5%

of what's in the bottom of the world's oceans.

- When I was at NOAA, we had remotely operated vehicles

that were rated to go down to 6,000 meters

and do the science of deep sea oceanography,

which is really interesting.

And then there was my friend, Victor Vescovo,

who designed the ultimate submersible

and went down to the deepest parts of the ocean.

And then still he's collected some great data

but all of these areas are very little understood

and need to be looked at more.

- Right now we have,

what kind of listening systems in the oceans?

We have the SOSUS.

- We have quite a bit.

We have, it's called SOSUS, it's US Navy.

It's operated by the commander

of the Undersea Surveillance Command.

I know a former commander of that command

and I know officers within that command

and they're managing these undersea surveillance networks

that are basically arrays of hydrophones on the seabed

and we use those for anti-submarine warfare.

That is a source.

And also there are of course, mobile assets

either unmanned underwater vehicles,

and there's a wide range

of those in the private sector right now

and the Navy has a few of them as well as NOAA.

And then there are even a pretty extensive range

of drifting types of buoys and sensor configurations.

So there's a large amount of the ocean

that's being looked at already.

We can do more.

And I pretty much have a handle on all

of those both within the US and within partners.

And in fact, your home country

of Canada has a very significant network

of undersea acoustic observation capability.

- So when they're listening, these listening networks

of devices, they have cataloged all of the biologics

and they've cataloged all

of the equipment that's known, right?

Especially for the Navy, you guys have to know

what the Russians are driving, what the Chinese,

what, you know, anybody who has an aquatic force.

- [Tim] Yeah, that's the office of naval intelligence.

They're really good at that and that's their job.

- So you're of the mind that

when we see these objects going

through our oceans at 500 knots,

which we are only like able to send things like,

for example, submarine can go maybe a max of 35 to 40 knots,

and then maybe the Russians have these torpedoes

that they create a air bubble in front of,

and those can go up to 200 miles

or something like that,

which I think is like, I don't know, 100 knots

or something like that, 150 knots, something like that.

- Yeah. That's called super cavitation.

I'm not gonna comment on our own force

or adversary capabilities in terms of numbers,

but I'll say yes, that we have capabilities

that currently the phenomena we're seeing far exceed.

- [Darcy] Okay, so we have a threshold

in which we cannot go beyond in terms of speed-

- Right.

- Underwater. - Yeah.

- [Darcy] Okay.

- I mean, and this is just like the UAP

that are observed in the atmosphere.

And this is why this is such a historic time,

is when we begin learning more about these phenomena

and possibly the technology that allows

for them to do, we're gonna learn things, maybe new physics.

And I know they are certain people like

Avi Loeb, they don't like that term new physics

because they think we know all there is to know.

But actually, I do disagree.

I don't think we know all there is to know.

And I think, so not new physics being,

it will violate anything we know currently.

It's just that we're gonna learn about certain possibilities

that we've just yet to discover.

- [Darcy] With our own current physics.

- Yeah, exactly.

So just the laws of physics

as we know them is gonna be expanded

and then that's what's so exciting.

- As an oceanographer, can you describe, sort of illustrate

for me the different levels of ocean volume

as we go down to a trench?

- Wow.

- [Darcy] And just sort of like types

of biologics along the way and what, you know,

kind of submarines we would,

what kind of vehicles we can actually operate?

- Okay at a very high level, the surface down

to 100 meters, that's where navy submarines operate.

I won't let you know how much farther they can go down,

but that's pretty much where they do.

That's where a lot of commercial

and scientific drones operate in.

They're called AUVs, autonomous underwater vehicle.

And then there's also a thing called ocean gliders,

which are longer range

and they are powered by buoyancy changes,

and they kind of do a seesaw up and down

and they can go down 1000 meters potentially.

And so you kind of have autonomous underwater vehicles

and submarines in the upper hundred meters

and then these gliders can go down to 1000 meters.

And then deep diving remotely operated vehicles can go down

to about 6,000 meters.

And then some of the deepest submersibles like Victor's

and a Chinese submersible actually can go down

to 10,000 meters or more.

And so those are what we kind of have to sense.

And then we have a number

of different fixed sensors like arrays

that can operate at any depth.

Then the sea life you see in there,

in the upper surface is really rich and robust

and abundant from small plankton

to 100-foot long blue whales

and all sorts of pelagic fish

and that's why that upper part is called the pelagic zone.

And as you go down to the deepest, you kind of have the,

you know, at the very deepest is called the Hadal zone,

like Hades, the underworld

and there, you still have different forms of sea life.

Sea life exists throughout the entire water column.

And Victor, when he was doing his deep dives,

actually discovered some new species,

which was terrific for us as a science agency.

We wanted to know that

and we continue to investigate that.

- [Darcy] Some of you may be saying to yourselves, okay,

so a couple of guys have seen some strange stuff

in or over international waters, who cares?

Well, apparently my friend, Richard Dolan has head

of way more than a few stories.

A historian who meticulously educates people

on the phenomena of USOs.

- You know, we're talking about unusual objects

in the sky, well, that's obviously interesting,

but when they come out of the water,

when they go into the water,

when they're moving in the water at speeds

that are just not supposed to be possible,

that's incredibly interesting and mysterious.

I think even more mysterious

in a lot of ways than aerial objects.

This is a huge thing.

I mean, we all know the earth is 70% covered by water.

We're all mostly land lovers, let's be real about it.

Some of us go out into the ocean, but mostly we don't.

And what is going on out there in the depths of the ocean?

You've got the main navies

of the world, predominantly the United States Navy,

which has a global presence.

You know, they're encountering stuff.

And I've collected a lot of US Navy USO reports, unofficial.

And I mean, this is the problem

with a lot of these USO cases.

Like we really have to be fair in describing

how difficult it is to get documentation

on a lot of these cases, right?

It's not like, you know, you can file a FOIA request

and get something on other types of UFO encounters.

There's very little FOIA activity that I've been aware of

that deals with USO cases.

And the definite message that comes through over

and over again is that the secrecy

on these is very, very severe.

Records get taken out, they get expunged,

log books get switched out and this type of thing.

So there's a lot of management

over the information with these things.

And so, almost typically, classically, the way these stories

will come out is an ex-Navy guy, 20, 30 years

after the fact, will quietly talk to a researcher

and get the story out often under anonymity.

And even sometimes under even more than anonymity,

he'll say, "Look, I don't even wanna tell you

where our ship was.

I don't wanna tell you, you know, what my rank was.

I don't wanna tell you what we were doing."

- [Darcy] If something like a fast mover is reported

on say, a submarine through sonar detection,

do you think the first officer

and the XO, maybe a number

of other crewman actually would be aware

of these types of objects?

- Yes, I do.

In fact, the one story I've heard, and I'm not gonna get

into too much specifics from a US submarine, it was

everybody on the bridge was tracking it on sonar

and so there were multiple witnesses.

And by the way, that data, it was sent somewhere

that looks at acoustic data.

I'll leave it at that.

I'll need to dig into that more

to make sure I can go on the record

and talk about where that goes.

But it was sent somewhere, an authoritative source

of acoustic data and I don't know what they've done with it,

but I'm gonna be looking into that more as we go forward.

- [Darcy] Interesting.

- I suspect they have a lot more of those reports.

And I don't have confirmation,

but I believe this source, this data curator

probably owns this potential fast mover program.

- [Darcy] Wow, okay.

And they're a data curator within the Navy?

- No, they're not. They're a Navy partner.

- [Darcy] Ah.

Kind of like the

National Geospatial Agency is a partner, okay.

- They're, yeah.

- A little over the last year,

in addition to all my other UFO research, I really got

into this subject.

And it actually started for me, I think

in spring of 2022, one of the members of my website,

I have a website where I've got a lot

of very smart, active people,

and they asked me about a particular case

in the summer of 1945 in the Ellucian Islands, right,

between Alaska and Siberia.

One of the Ellucian islands is called Adak Island.

It's very small

and it's the western westernmost military base

of the United States military.

And just so happens that in the summer of '45,

when World War II was still going

in the Pacific Theater anyway, there was a US transport ship

on its way back to Seattle and it was called USS Delroth.

And it so happened that this crew apparently dealt

with an object that came out of the water

about a mile distance from them,

estimated diameter, maybe about 200 feet diameter

so a pretty good size.

Came up outta the water.

It was clearly visible against the sky.

It was becoming dusk, but the sun was still out somewhat

so dark silhouette comes up, straight up

and then begins to circle

around their ship two or three times

so they got a good look at it

and it then just zipped off.

The speed of this object wasn't outstanding.

It was about 100 miles per hour estimate,

not super fast but the thing about it was, primary witness

who spoke about this said it was absolutely rock steady,

no oscillation, no change in speed.

It had to be eerie to see something like that, you know?

So it circled around them twice and then moved off.

And I think it took off at a pretty good speed.

I don't think they were sure.

And he just saw there was some lights flashing

as it departed and that was that.

So that was the case that started me going

into a deeper dive, if I may say that, into the subject.

I did a little mini lecture on it from my website

and then I thought, I wanna look

at some more of these cases.

- [Darcy] When you were going down that road

of investigating that phenomenon, basically USOs,

what else did you find?

- I found that there were incidents in our Navy

that go relatively unreported.

1951, there were objects flying in and outta the ocean

at a specific latitude, longitude provided

by the Kizugawa Maru which is a Japanese freighter.

And I looked on the map

and guess what, it's right near the Mariana Trench.

- [Darcy] That's interesting.

- And based on the methodology

that I think an alien spacecraft would have to use

in order to traverse and be here

and be hidden, they could be in the Mariana Trench.

- One of them,

there was a case, several cases actually dealing

with the US aircraft carrier,

the USS Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the FDR.

And that ship's got one heck

of a history with UFOs and USOs.

I mean, back in 1952,

there was a NATO operation called Main Brace.

This was in the North Sea.

It was a naval exercise in September of 1952.

The FDR was there, along with many other US

and NATO navy ships.

And this is very well documented.

There was a large series, several days

of dramatic UFO silence dealing with this whole scenario.

The FDR was the first US aircraft carrier

to carry nuclear weapons.

And I don't know if that has anything to do with this,

but that ship had many encounters with UFOs

and USOs as far as I can tell.

The Main Brace incident, that's a well-documented one

but then there were others that follow.

One that I learned about that is utterly fascinating

to me happened in the early part of 1954, not long

after Main Brace, about a year

and a half later, less than that

so January or February, 1954.

And the gentleman who wrote about it, he wrote it

to a couple of different sources.

One of them is called Filers Files, George Filers.

Taking all the reports.

Loved George Filer and so this went there.

And the man writes, he says, look, even now

after all these years, I have to be careful about the safety

of my family and my career and my life.

I don't think he was saying

that his life would be threatened but he was very concerned.

So he gives some vague generalities about what he was.

He was an officer on the FDR.

And this is a ship that was normally stationed

in the Mediterranean, but as, as I looked into its history,

in January of 1954, it left the Mediterranean

to go back to Seattle for a major refit and overhaul,

which took several years.

So the only time that this could have happened

in 1954 would've been January or February.

And it was too large to go through the Panama Canal,

so it had to go down the Atlantic,

down the South American coastline down

around the tip of South America.

- [Darcy] Towards Antarctica?

- [Richard] Yes, up the other side, the Pacific side,

up to Seattle.

So in a month and a half

or so, it traveled almost, I think 20,000 miles

or something like that.

- [Darcy] Wow.

- So at some point along that path, I don't know

where the FDR according to this man encountered,

had an unbelievable encounter.

And what he said is, he was very technical

and very vague at the same time, he didn't say where it was,

but he said, now this is like a 30 minute encounter,

he said, after about about 10 minutes

or so, he was called to the deck by a fellow officer

and they saw a cigar shaped object

that he said was about 100 feet long.

And it was not directly over the ship,

but close to the ship.

And he said that they tried to engage weapons

and the weapons went offline.

He didn't say which weapons.

He said at the conclusion of the event, they tried

to launch two aircraft, two fighter aircraft, they would

not launch, they would not take off.

In the meantime, this cigar shaped object hung around

for a few minutes and then shot up to the sky.

He said right after that,

these two white circular disc objects came out

of the water, exited the water

and they were hanging around for a little while.

He then said that a much larger cigar shaped object,

roughly 300 feet in diameter came into the area.

Now when I read this account, I'm wondering this same object

that just seemed closer or not and you don't really know.

What we know is that the first time it appeared,

it looked like it was 100 feet in diameter.

And then the second, nearly identical looking one,

but was much larger, comes into view and is there.

So you got these two little white discs,

you got this 300 foot long cigar shaped object.

- Massive. - Massive.

And not as big as the FDR, but pretty big.

And the two disc objects

enter this larger cigar shaped craft.

The cigar shaped object then shoots up for a few minutes

and then comes down and enters the water

and that is the conclusion of this particular event.

Well, off Puerto Rico in the '60s,

and I talked about this in my talk,

there was a series of five submarines and some destroyers.

They were doing maneuvers,

but one of the submarines detected something

and it started to follow it with permission.

And they noticed that this object accelerated rapidly

to very high speeds, similar to

what was seen in our situation.

And then it actually went to great depth

and it came up very shallow again.

And it was doing that with regularity.

And so they ended up following it for four days

and it was there and they kept following it for four days

and they could never get any closer to it.

It always stayed just outta their range

and they tried to be closer.

Sometimes they'd just get closer

and it would go away.

And also the old Soviet Navy,

the Russian Navy Soviets, particularly

encountering these as well.

For example, there was probably the premier Soviet UFO

researcher was a man named Vladimir Azhazha

and very good, very serious research, 1960s, '70s.

And he was very in with the Soviet military as well

and spoke about how the Soviet military during the 1970s

and '80s had a special project

to investigate USOs specifically,

and specifically ones that were following Soviet submarines.

And he said, you know,

"At first we thought

these were American technology, American craft."

He said, "But no way, these things were way too fast."

They were just too incredible.

And he said, on one occasion

there was a Soviet icebreaker in the Arctic Sea,

all the heavy ice and everything.

- What year? - He didn't give a year.

Did not give a year.

And not only is that a problem with USO cases,

that's a big problem with Soviet UFO cases in general.

- [Darcy] Because they don't talk years.

- Well they don't because a lot of this stuff,

it was never officially supposed to exist.

So all the conversation in the Soviet years

on UFOs was always unofficial, very quiet.

And so it was only

when the Soviet Union broke apart 1990, '91,

that these stories started really coming out.

So by that time you got guys years

after the fact talking.

- [Darcy] And like Paul Stonehill escaping?

- Yes, exactly.

And so they don't have dates, they don't have years.

They've just got the stories.

But in this case, you have a Soviet icebreaker,

no, I don't know the year that's doing its job in the Arctic

and an object blasts through the ice.

And there's someone interviewing Azhazha about ths

and they said, "Well, could it have been a missile?"

He says, "No. Missile's not gonna blast through the ice."

And he said, besides this thing was a sphere.

(laughing) So they had that much of a description.

- [Darcy] As a Canadian, I needed to speak

with my fellow researcher and friend,

Louis Borges about the now famous Shag Harbor incident.

So we're out here, we're on the water.

And I understand you've studied quite a few

of the Canadian water-based UFO and USO cases.

- Yeah, well I think the most famous one,

of course would be Shag Harbor.

- [Darcy] And this happened off the coast

of Nova Scotia.

- Correct, yeah, off the coast

of Shag Harbor, Nova Scotia, right on the southern tip.

Witness numbers were in double digits, credible people,

police officers, airline pilots and there's evidence.

There's government reports.

So many people in the town actually saw what happened.

And basically, I believe it was October 4th, 1967.

Residents saw lights in the sky kind

of not doing what an aircraft would do.

It was running sort of in a pattern,

but nothing discernible.

And then it appeared to sort of hover

over the water level, pitch to a 45 degree,

and then descended rapidly towards the water.

So first responders were the Royal Canadian Mount of Police.

They actually commandeered two boats

'cause this is a small fishing village

and they went out there.

It only happened maybe two or 300 yards off the coast

or off the shore.

They went out to have a look.

By then the craft had disappeared

but there was a residue of like a yellow foam almost.

- [Darcy] Yeah, just on top.

- Yeah, like a sulfuric smell.

So some witnesses said that they saw the craft on the water.

It was almost like a glowing dome of light

for a period of time.

It didn't make any noise or anything like that.

Subsequently, there were searches done the next day.

In fact, even the Air Force, the strategic air command

did a grid search of it, navy divers did a search.

And some of these navy divers even spoke years

after the fact

and said that, yeah, they saw craft underwater

and they even saw what looked like a second craft.

- [Darcy] But this also was, you know, fully surveilled

and investigated by the American Navy

and the American Air Force.

You were saying that,

so can you give some context to some people like

why that's significant?

- Well, I mean this is Cold War era too.

And in the world of NATO, Canada

and the United States have a very close relationship.

There was a US base not far away from this.

It was on Canadian ground,

but it was manned by the Americans.

So whether they thought

this was Cold War related spy submarine, who knows?

But essentially that's where all the alert came from, right?

And this is a small town.

Fishermen are known to be very honest people.

It's not very often they're gonna

make something up like this.

And in fact, nobody even reported, quote unquote a UFO.

Many people thought it was a crashed airplane

or some other type of lights.

It was only when the locals were speaking with the police

that responded that they kind of hung that UFO tag

and said, yeah, we think it's something

from outer space, further adding to that allure

of what the heck happened, right?

- So that was Shag Harbor.

And from what I hear, in terms of people

that have investigated this story

of a ocean-based UFO sighting, am I correct

in assuming that there was a dive rescue team sent

after this craft?

- That's right. There was a dive rescue team.

Some of them reported to see

what looked like almost arc welding underwater.

I don't know if that was some kind of a repair, who knows.

But the craziest thing, even more

so than that, was the divers reported they saw non-human

intelligence in the water, you know,

in the shape of beings, non-human beings.

- [Darcy] Very interesting.

And so the Navy divers were a bit spooked

when they came up from the ocean.

- Sure.

And think about it, these guys are used

to pulling up dead bodies sometimes.

I mean, being a navy diver can be not such a nice thing.

So they're conditioned, they're seasoned,

they're not faint of heart kind of people

and so for these people to be rattled based

on what they saw, that kind of speaks to the uniqueness

of it and the severity of, you know,

what is actually going on.

- [Darcy] And so this case that happened in 1960,

how did that go down?

- So as far as I know, it was roughly the same thing.

There's not a lot of documentation on it.

It's called the Shelburne incident.

But essentially it was from the work

of a Canadian ufologist named Chris Styles

who really did a lot of work on Shag Harbor.

And then while interviewing people about that event,

when he asked them like, what year was this?

Their mind was a little foggy at first,

but they clearly knew it was before '67.

So this was a separate incident, again

with very, very similar effects

and similar witness testimony and all the rest.

- [Chris] On October the 12th, 1960,

seven years before Shag Harbor

and eight Canadian warships under Canadian command.

It was a NATO mission and two USOs on the bottom.

And you know, I had the ship's logs and that

and it's a genuine case and you know,

there was some minor recovery of some of the debris in it.

There was a confrontation.

And here's the real controversial part.

The book's just been released, is that, believe it

or not, something that's supposedly

has never happened in history,

I proved it's happened.

We went to DEFCON 1 over the incident

and there's no doubt about it.

I have the ship's log from HMCS Cape Scott.

The terrible irony of this, my father served

on the mission, I had no idea.

He took it to the grave.

But the DEFCON 1 thing was really weird

'cause you know, if you look it up on Wikipedia

or of course something more scholarly than that,

they would say no, you know, the system has never gone

to DEFCON 1.

Well, that is not true.

It did over the Shelburne incident. (laughs)

While it was encountering the aliens, what happened next?

I actually don't know, I don't have all the answers.

But it took me 29 years to come up with this.

Like all with Shag Harbor, I never stopped looking

and I don't have it all yet.

You know, as the book ends, it says,

if you think you smell a sequel,

that will depend on the further research results.

What we do know is that when they got there

and they went down, you know, when the divers, you know,

when they describe at the start of the mission, you know,

we were this far into going through a dog lake course

of minesweepers and that like on this exercise

and then they encountered them, right?

And, you know, they very quickly hauled the divers

to the surface and the ship declares DEFCON 1.

The Cape Scott was the command vessel of the mission

'cause we were in Canadian waters, just about two

or three nautical miles off

of McNutts Island at the entrance to Shelburne Harbor.

- I have another blood red orange ball sphere story

from another US aircraft carrier.

The USS John F. Kennedy.

And this one, we have an exact date for, July 2nd, 1971.

And this was from another member aboard the ship

who writes in after the fact.

You know, I looked into the history

of the USS John F. Kennedy

and this event is not listed there

that I'm about to tell you,

but I believe it definitely happened.

He described that the ship had been in the Caribbean doing

what are called car quals, carrier qualification exercises.

And this is a standard thing that you get on carriers

where they test the pilots, you know,

how like react, you know, your take off time

and all of the things that you had to do

to be like good, like "Top Gun" type stuff

and so that's car quals.

So they were doing that in the Caribbean.

And they were then done with that.

They had successfully completed it.

They had just completed it.

They go up through the Caribbean between, I'm thinking

between Dominican Republic and Cuba.

I think through there, through Haiti,

and they're now in the Bermuda Triangle.

They're just into the Bermuda Triangle.

This guy who wrote in, was in charge

of all the communications on the ship

and he described them in a lot of details.

So they had four communication signal devices

for receiving, four for sending out

and there were other ship to ship type systems.

1971 was a very sophisticated comm system

that he was operating.

He said suddenly all the communication

started typing gibberish, nonsensical information.

And he's like, what the heck?

And then everything was just nonsensical.

And then he's on the intercom and said he

and a fellow crew mate are hearing someone

screaming on the intercom,

"It's God, it's the end of the world."

So like, okay, what's happening here?

And then they hear again over the intercom,

something is hovering over the ship.

So at this point, he gets outside

to look physically to see what this is.

And he said, "Me and the guy I was with,

we see this blood red orange sphere

basically right over our ship."

That this thing which had shut

down all their communications.

This is a US aircraft carrier. This is heavy duty.

Billions of dollars going into this thing.

This is the leading edge

of the United States defense system.

I mean, what's more important than the aircraft carriers,

especially in like 1971?

They got nukes, they got aircraft.

This is their forward projection of power around the world.

You don't mess with a United States aircraft carrier

but this thing completely disabled their communication.

In fact, they wanted,

just like in the case of the FDR

from the 1950s, they attempted

to launch two F-4 phantom fighter jets, would not launch.

Dunno why, but they would not. Nothing worked.

He was able to see this thing for about 20 seconds, he said

and then the ship went to general quarters battle stations.

So he'd go back to his comm center

and so he didn't get to see it more any longer.

The ship was on battle stations for one hour,

and during which time he said, no communications went in

or out of the carrier.

That should mean that's just extraordinary.

You're on general quarters battle stations

with this thing over your ship in the ocean

and you can't even communicate.

They will enter and exit the water

without even water dripping from them,

without making a big splash

but other times they do.

The USO researcher, Carl Feindt actually had a lot

of theories about this.

And he believed that

when the craft is generating its field, we'll just leave it

at that, it will cost a certain amount

of displacement of the water around it,

which will mitigate a lot of this splashing effect.

You know, there are a lot of USO cases

where the object is under the water

and you'll see a bubbling of the water above it.

And it's like this field

of this thing is pushing this water off.

- I've had experiences I can't explain.

I've had encounters

that I know are probably not of the earth

but what do you do?

How do you work those into your daily life?

You try to find the science that could explain them.

That's for me, and I think I have.

I just don't think we can do it yet, but we're on the cusp.

We actually have done technologies

that are leading to this and from separate angles.

- Yep, you're talking about the propulsion system

and I think you said like the gravitons.

- Graviton, that's right.

The KK, the Kaluza-Klein particle.

If you look up Kaluza-Klein, and the next word is CERN.

You're gonna get all these papers

that CERN has put out about the Kaluza-Klein particle,

and they're building on an accelerator just

to investigate, well, in part,

to investigate these KK particles.

So we're getting there.

On the other end, we've got Lawrence Livermore,

totally separate organization.

It's now retained the single most sought

after holy grail of fusion

and that's to create a stable, sustainable reaction.

They did that with fusion.

Now it's not exactly sustainable.

They had to put an energy

and arguably more energy than they got out.

However, it was a major breakthrough.

So those Kaluza-Klein particles, you have to create, right?

And I think UFOs are round because they're accelerators.

Seems straightforward, you know.

And the triangular ones are also accelerators

with the ring inside.

So I think that they figured out

how to make the micro black holes to surround the ship

and actually punch out of our four dimensions

and punch in wherever they want.

And if you do it successively, you can go on a straight line

or you can go zigzag, okay?

You can do anything you want.

So what we're not used to is the fact

that they're doing this punch in, punch out so rapidly,

but they're not feeling anything.

To them, the scenery just changes instantly.

They don't know and they're not subject to water r air.

So when it looks like they're moving thousands

of miles an hour through the air,

well they really aren't moving through the air,

they're appearing at various points close

to each other in the air.

So they're punching out

and then punching in, punching out and punching in.

And so they're the best cartographers in the universe

'cause they know all the exit and entry points.

We're seeing that the stuff

that they're reporting are all things

that are within the realm of the KK world we talked about,

the Kaluza-Klein particle world,

the Kaluza-Klein methodology for propulsion.

It's all well within that realm.

And a spacecraft that's at 80,000 feet up here,

and it comes down to the deck,

is it actually traveling 80,000 feet?

My contention is that it's not.

It's actually punching out up here-

- Punching in. - And punching in

at lower levels, okay?

And maybe if you see it here,

and then see it here,

then see it here, and then see it here

and then finally here.

On your radar, you're gonna see a path

and you're gonna say, look, what from here to here

in a quarter of a second or second and a half.

And then you'll do a calculation for its speed

and come up with some outrageous speed.

But it's not traveling at any speed.

It's not moving at any speed at all.

The occupants don't even feel it.

- And similarly, when the object comes down

to the water, it will create like a well.

- And separate the water? - Yes.

- [Darcy] Like part the sea like Moses.

- Yes, actually, yes. Kind of like that.

In fact, there was one case

where you can really see this effect.

I can just bounce around. - Yeah, go for it.

- From 1974 in the country of Togo, so that's West Africa.

But you know, Africa goes all the way down

and it's got this big hump.

So on the southern part of that hump

of West Africa, the nation of Togo, this little thin strip

and it's got a little bit of coastline there,

but it's got some coastline.

So in 1974, there was a French tourist,

and he's apparently having a nice romantic evening

with a local woman of Togo.

It's late at night, they're on the beach.

- [Darcy] The French are like that.

- Absolutely and so they're having their time,

but an object comes in from the water.

The object created a dip in the water, they said.

Again, this is something

that Carl Feindt was quite interested in,

but creates this dip in the water

and it actually caused a kind of mini tidal wave

to come at them.

It displaced enough water

that the water just came right at them.

And he said, we had to grab onto one of the trees.

- [Darcy] Wow.

- It was actually that intense.

This object stayed in the area

for quite a while, I think more than 10 minutes

and it then departed,

but it scared the living hell out of them.

- [Darcy] I can imagine. - Undoubtedly.

We have a very well documented case

from the United States Coast Guard

from March 4th, 1988 on Lake Erie.

And this was interesting.

You had eyewitnesses along the lake there.

In Ohio, there's a nuclear facility there.

I think it's the Perry Nuclear Plant.

And so there were witnesses

that were seeing this unusual light phenomenon

over the lake.

This got written up in newspapers

and there was an official Coast Guard document

describing this all.

But anyway, this one family is very interested

and they're watching this at the lake.

They end up calling a number of places.

They end up getting the Coast Guard.

Coast Guard sends two Coast Guard personnel

who are witnessing this with the family

and they write up a report.

So what they're seeing is

over this frozen lake, it's still very cold,

this object, this big object is like sitting

on the frozen lake and they're hearing this cracking sound

and all this crazy stuff going on.

It's just blowing their minds.

And out of this big, huge object comes

at one point a number of smaller objects zipping around.

And in fact, one man photographed these objects.

They were like these little triangular lights.

And I have a photograph.

It's been out there.

And so they're zipping around the area.

The objects eventually go back into the craft.

And it gets dark, the action ends,

the Coast Guard guys write up their report.

And one of the things that came out of this,

that this object the next morning was not visible,

but the area where it had been was all,

that area was melted.

And the belief is that it went into the lake,

went into the water, which there's quite a few

of these cases where these objects are going

into not just oceans, but large lakes

and sometimes even small bodies of water.

But in this case, the Lake Erie incident, March 4th, 1988.

This was very well reported.

And we do have this one United States Coast Guard document

that does describe the event in a fair amount of detail.

(all chattering)

- [Person] You got it on the wrong thing.

- Oh my God. This is awesome. - People wanna take a look.

- [Person] I got it. That's a UFO, no shit.

(people chattering)

- [Person 2] You wanna look at this one,

look through there for a minute?

- Yeah. - Here.

Here, here, here, here. Holy fuck, it's coming close.

Good picture, Kevin.

- Okay. - Are you filming?

(people chattering)

- [Presenter] Describing it like a 40 foot long Tic-Tac

maneuvering rapidly and changing direction.

- [Pilot] As we both looked out the right side

of our airplane, we saw a disturbance in the water

and a white object oblong pointing north.

- [Presenter] The object was first cited in 2004.

Then similar objects, again in 2015.

Footage of the sightings declassified

by the military weren't made public

until December, 2017 by the New York Times

and a group that researches UFOs.

- Yeah, the Tic-Tac case.

There are certain details

that we still don't have about it.

It's a great case on many levels in terms

of the amount of information we have, the date,

the exact locations pretty well, you know, understood now.

November 14th, 2004.

And many, many witnesses have come out.

So it's been discussed.

We kind of know this thing happened.

Too much witness testimony here to ignore,

but there are still some disputes.

So what was below the water?

You've got Fravor's team, two Super Hornets vectored in.

As we know, he sees it first.

He goes down, he sees this white Tic-Tac object

about 40 feet in length.

It's above the water.

And in fact, you know, as he's described it,

he said, well, I didn't know if it was on the water

or above the water, the water was frothing.

But I think the implication of

that was just above the water.

But then, yes, there's this statement

of something else below the Tic-Tac

and much larger from what appears to be the case.

What the heck was that? Well, that's interesting indeed.

You know, Fravor comes down to engage the Tic-Tac.

And as he said, many times people have reported many times,

that he's circling like this

and the Tic-Tac's circling

in an opposite direction toward him.

And then the Tic-Tac just goes off like this.

He said he had a perfect field of vision,

minimum 10 miles, easy,

but he said realistically, almost close to 50 miles.

And he said within two seconds that thing was out of sight.

Like he could not see it.

And if you take even the conservative estimate

of his vision, 10 miles, he's still talking probably

over 10,000 miles per hour saying, just gone.

It's just instant like that so it's incredible.

But the underwater object,

there's not a whole lot that's discussed about this.

Like, what would this thing do?

I'm gonna take a guess that it just went

(imitating whooshing) below and just took off.

And these things can move fast, real fast under the water.

- [Darcy] So, you know, one could even just based

on the story and how everybody focuses

on the object, the Tic-Tac that was in the air, you know,

and the media, let's say, or UFO investigators focus

on that, but also the pilots.

So you can almost say that mission accomplished,

whatever the Tic-Tac's mission might've been was,

okay, now I've gotta take the attention off of what's here.

I'm gonna go up in the air confuse

and distract the pilots and then shoot off.

- Okay. That's a heck of a theory.

That's a really interesting idea.

- [Darcy] Right?

- I hadn't thought of that

but I think what, what you're

at least suggesting here makes a lot of sense.

There's this major USO object under the water,

and you got the Tic-Tac.

That's like the distract, that's like, you know,

when you have the dog racing, they're chasing the bunny?

- [Darcy] Yeah. It's like, hey guys.

- [Richard] That's what the Tic-Tac was. Just go after that.

- [Darcy] Yeah.

- It was very similar to what Jeremy publicized

from 2019 and 2020, like the drone swarm.

And I don't have it in front of me, I'm gonna have

to give you this information,

but it's, I think from about 2007,

and it was written into, I think it was written

into George Filer's Filer's File website.

And he's describing their activity

off the southern California coast,

off the coast of San Diego.

It's very similar to what you we're currently getting.

And he just said, late at night, "We had a swarm

of objects over our ship.

We were completely unable to deal with this."

He said, "They came in

and they did all of these incredible maneuvers.

Like one was almost like a check mark maneuver,

like a sharp angle maneuver over the ship.

We were absolutely helpless."

He said, I spoke to the commander

or the captain who said to me

at that time, my computer system was not working.

It stopped working.

And this guy just wrote anonymously

to George Filer's website at that time.

It's a 2007 case and I'm gonna give you visuals

that he could,

I'll give it to you. it's good.

- [Darcy] It's important to remember

these objects have mastery in navigating our atmosphere

as well as our oceans.

My next stop was with friends Anthony Esemplare

and Andy Marcial to discuss their involvement

with researching recently recorded UFO videos

from the Department of Homeland Security.

- Andy. Welcome, good to have you here.

Thanks for meeting up. - Thank you. No problem.

- So what got you started with the whole UAP phenomenon

and New York UAP discussion?

I'm anxious to know.

- Well, it all started with a personal experience

of mine when I was younger.

And basically what happened with me kind of gote

to dive into the subject to try and figure out exactly

what it was that I saw, what I experienced.

And eventually throughout the years,

I started getting a little frustrated

with all the misinformation that was being put out there

and decided to do something about it and created my page

and that's basically where it all started from after that.

- And what are your thoughts on the USO situation?

I mean, I film here nightly

and it's almost every night you catch something

that you can't explain.

And I'm using data that shows you tracking

for satellites, tracking for unmanned aerial vehicles,

the International Space Station, Elon Musk projects.

And it's none of the above

when I searched some of these crafts.

So it's either top secret covert military projects,

or it's extraterrestrial in origin.

What are your thoughts?

- Well, from research, I know that this is something

that goes back thousands of years, you know,

so it's not like anything could just be attributed

to Russia or China, you know what I mean?

Like, you have to,

if you're gonna research this, you have

to research it correctly and go back to the beginning.

You can't just cherry pick

and decide to, oh, I wanna start from here.

No, you gotta go back to the beginning.

So there are things up there that,

you know, we've been seeing for thousands of years

that, you know, we attributed to religion, you know,

in the past and we attributed to things

that, you know, we just didn't understand

and we're still seeing them to this day.

We're just getting a little more understanding

and we're starting to see

that, you know, this is a phenomenon

that's been around now for quite some time.

And I feel like we just need

to start taking it a little more serious

to get a real understanding of what it is

that we're dealing with, basically.

- And by the way, there's a lot of USO cases

of these perfect, like orange red spheres, perfect.

I think one of the earliest great ones

that I came across was from 1825.

- [Darcy] Wow.

- In the Pacific, not off the coast of Hawaii,

but out in the ocean.

It's a British ship.

Think of the old, you know, wooden ships with the sails.

- [Darcy] A Man-of-war or something.

- [Richard] Yeah, it's a British ship

and aboard this ship was a naturalist named Andrew Bloxam.

- [Darcy] Gotta always have those, right?

- [Richard] Yes.

- [Darcy] Darwin, whatever.

- Absolutely. That's right.

Master and commander, they had their naturalist.

So this was a naturalist, 1825.

And in fact, we have the data.

I can probably get it to you.

If you wanna look at it, I've got it on my computer here.

But he said, 3:30 a.m., we're in August of 1825.

So imagine it's 3:30 a.m.,

you're in the ship in the Pacific.

It's gotta be just black all around.

Are you getting me?

I don't know what the moon was on that night.

So maybe there might have been a little bit moonlight,

but not much going on there.

And he said, out of nowhere, the watch reported this

bright orange red object.

He said the color of a cannon shot

so like an orangey red type thing comes up out

of the water and actually came up outta the water,

went down into the water, came up a second time,

and then went down into the water again.

He said it was so bright you could have picked

up a pin off the floor of the deck.

- [Darcy] Wow. So the mini sun.

- Yes, it was. He said it was extremely bright.

And so when I read that report, that's one

of the earliest really excellent USO reports

that when I read it, I think, I believe this

because his description is very, very factual.

He's not trying to connect this to prodigies in the sky

and signs, which is what you get in the ancient times.

- [Darcy] Right. Spirits.

- Yeah and like this means that,

and that kind of thing was very common

with ancient UFO sightings.

And we don't really know what those most

of those things were, frankly.

But in this case, I think Bloxam was very specific.

He was very technical, very,

I would almost say scientific about it.

- Matter of fact. - Matter of fact, exactly.

But it's this blood red orangy ball, this sphere.

- I'm sure you've come to draw your own conclusions.

I know I have.

Why do you think that the water is

so important to these crafts?

What's it about our oceans that attract them to it?

- Personally, I believe that they reside in our oceans.

I believe that they have bases

or underground facilities that, I mean,

if you're trying to stay away from us,

but also stay on this planet, then the best place to go to

where they're not gonna interfere with us

or we're not gonna interfere with them, would be the oceans

'cause we still, even today

in 2023, we don't have the technology like that

to traverse the waters.

In any real, like, meaningful way, it still takes us forever

to do anything in the water.

So that's a perfect location to be in if you're trying

to keep a specific distance or a certain distance from us.

And I feel that they call the ocean their home,

or at least whatever species is

down there, calls it their home.

- Do you feel at some point, maybe marine biologists

or oceanographers, they're gonna actually spot something

under the water at some time and we're gonna be led

to find out that there really is an actual base

under the water not too far off?

- Well, that's happened already.

As a matter of fact, I've seen video

of, I believe it's Discovery Channel, I believet was,

underwater photographers that spoke about these things.

And shortly after they made these mentions,

the videos were removed.

And I found that kind of interesting

because he specifically stated

that the creatures he had come into contact with,

or the things they had come

into contact with were almost like,

they weren't anything from this planet.

It seemed more like it came from elsewhere

and it showed like a level of intelligence.

And I found that interesting.

But there's tons of stories, there's tons of accounts

of things that have been seen in the oceans

that you can't attribute it with, you know, normal biology.

Like it's definitely something that's down there

that, you know, is, I don't know

how else you could say it is, it's not part of us.

You know what I mean?

Like it's either came from somewhere

or has been here longer than us

and it just wants to keep its distance from us.

- Extraterrestrial in origin, yeah.

You know, I wonder what kind of technology they're using

'cause they definitely cloaking the craft in some way

because I've watched very vibrant, brilliant lit orb craft

a couple thousand feet in the atmosphere, fly over, hit it

with a laser point, and all of a sudden it starts

to fade out and just disappear.

Matter of fact, year and a half ago,

I filmed an orange object

over the ocean right here by Fort Earle Naval Station.

The only strange thing was three hours prior,

SpaceX had a launch, three hours prior in Florida.

Now we were in New York.

You couldn't see Florida if you wanted to,

or a SpaceX launch from Florida if you wanted to.

And I have no idea what this orange craft was

that went up in the sky.

It had the characteristics of a launch,

but it kind of looked like that cone shape

with the bowl on top but it just sat there silently.

And the strangest part about the whole thing was

without night vision, you couldn't physically see it

with the naked eye.

It was not observable to the human eye.

But once you put the night vision on it, it was there

and it just sat in the sky

and you actually see these little orbs releasing

from it into the water.

No sound, no, nothing,

it was the strangest thing I ever seen.

But like I was saying,

being that Fort Earle Naval Station's right there,

could the military be maybe testing craft

that they've retrieved, crash retrieval craft

and putting them up and testing them at the base

and then dropping them back down cloaked

so we don't really see what's going on?

We're only getting a glimpse into that world.

- I mean yeah, especially now with all the information

that's been coming out with whistleblowers.

And if you go back, you know, researching old documents

with, you know, CIA and all the information

that has leaked in the sense, quote unquote, it shows you

that they've been reverse engineering this stuff.

I mean, going back to the times of Hitler.

We all know that Hitler was very much interested into this

and now also with the whole 1933 Italy incident

that now that's been found to have been, you know, true.

It did happen. A craft did crash there.

So if that was documented then,

and Hitler was interested in researching anti-gravity,

and then after the war, we enacted Project Paperclip

to get these scientists to come over.

I mean, there's no doubt in my mind

that we've already accomplished that.

We've already created that technology

and more than likely have perfected it

and testing it in various different ways

but it still doesn't explain the other sightings

that just have no explanation.

You know what I'm saying? - Sure.

- Like things that you just can't attribute to military

because it's been happening for far longer

than military has had that access to that technology.

- I do not know what that is.

What?

I do not know what this anomaly is.

Unbelievable. It is just there.

So let me ask you this.

I'm an experience in myself, had an encounter back

in 1993, changed my life.

But since Congress has come forward

and our naval aviators are coming forward now

with information plus all the

whistleblower testimony that's coming.

In a couple weeks, we're gonna have

more whistleblower testimony coming.

Do you feel somewhat vindicated now in your research?

- It's funny you mentioned 1993,

because that's when I had my close encounter.

- Really? - In Long Island. Yes.

- Wow. - Believe it or not.

So that's interesting.

But yeah, with everything going on, absolutely.

It's huge vindication because for

how many years have they been calling us kooks

and tinfoil high wearing, you know, weirdos.

And didn't even like, like fear saying it

in public, you know, ridiculing us

and now they come forward and talk about it

and admit it like it's nothing.

It's like, really?

So yeah, it's vindication and also it gets you angry

because it's like, you know, you guys have been lying

to us and you knew you were lying to us.

And now you're coming forward this way

and not even an apology to everybody that you,

lives you ruined and you know, the ridicule

that you've made people go through and experience.

So yeah, it's-

- Nevermind the friendship's lost, the family's members

telling you that you're crazy

and you don't know what you're talking about.

- Lives lost. - Inside, you know,

the whole time, I know what I seen.

I know it was not, you know, from this world.

I know I'm right and one day I'm gonna be vindicated.

And here we are today in 2023, we're about to be vindicated.

I mean, these are dynamite times.

Talk a little bit about the rubber duck footage

that you had captured that time

'cause that was pretty fascinating.

- I mean, if you want I have, we could go

and see the videos themselves

and we could talk about them if you want.

- Hey man, how are you? - Good, man.

- Thanks for coming back. - No problem, man.

- Let's talk about your videos.

Let's chat about your experience with this UAP footage

that's become pretty famous recently.

- Infamous.

- [Darcy] Hey, some people can call infamous, right?

But I'm sure you've got a bit of emotion attached to it

because of the fact that you went through an ordeal

with releasing it, right?

- Yeah.

- [Darcy] So how did you come

across this rubber duck UAP video?

- Well, it was actually through my Instagram channel.

I was reached out by an individual

who originally had taken cell phone footage

from his computer screen at his office.

And basically, you know, reached out

and told me, "I think, you know, I have something

I think you're gonna find very interesting."

And he was like, "Take a look at this

and tell me what you think."

So I opened it up and I instantly realized

that, you know, okay, well, I'm seeing something legitimate.

Like I already know the layout of FLIR and everything

so I'm like, all right, this is new, this is interesting

'cause the first video that he sent me was the A-10.

I'm not sure if you've seen that one,

but it's the A-10 Warthog where it shows an object comg in

to view and actually following the A-10.

And once I saw that, I got very interested

and told him, you know, what is this?

Who are you?

And asked him all sorts of questions trying

to verify who this individual was

and how he got this footage.

And he told me he was a border patrol agent.

And that, you know, this footage has been

in their possession now for a long time

and it's been in a folder

where they keep all these anomalous objects

and nobody, you know, could explain

or understand what it was.

And they would kind of just show it, you know,

to people in the office to try

and get their, you know, reactions to what it could be

or, you know, try and get an understanding

of what the object in the footage was.

He mentioned to me that there was more than one video

and after some persuasion was able to get him

to actually send me the original files

and that's where the rubber duck was included

in those files that he sent me.

And I kind of realized at that moment

that, okay, I got my hands on something pretty remarkable

'cause I've been researching this for years

and I've never seen anything legitimate like

that coming from a, I would say government

or military source in its entirety, in its original format

with, you know, nobody, you know, like, cutting into it

or removing anything, it's all unedited raw footage.

So that's when I was like,

okay, I just landed something pretty big.

At least that's what I was thinking

because of, you know, my line of research.

Never seen it before

and all of a sudden I got it in my hands.

I'm like, holy crap, you know, like,

what do I do with this?

And basically that's how it started

and where, you know, took off from there.

- [Darcy] So what happened next?

You posted on Instagram or YouTube

and then people started scrutinizing the video?

- No, actually I didn't.

I first released the cell phone recording of the A-10.

That was the very first one that he had sent me

and, you know, I got permission from him to share that.

Once I got the other videos, the rubber duck one,

I didn't release to anyone

because it was the most significant one.

It was a total of two clips that totaled 60 minutes,

if I'm not mistaken, 60 minutes total

and 40 full minutes of the object

in question, the anomalous object, which is unheard of.

I've never seen any video out there coming

from a source like this that was that long.

You know, usually, for example, like Tic-Tac

or whatever is a few seconds and that's it, you know.

So I realized, okay, I have to do something

with this footage and not just throw it out there.

Like I want to go through the correct avenues

to actually get this properly analyzed

before I put it out there, because this is important.

I knew that this was something that really needed

to be put in the hands of people that were going

to take it serious and analyze it

for real 'cause of its importance.

And that's when I had gotten in contact with an individual

at the SCU, the Scientific Coalition for UAP studies named

Peter Reali and sent him the footage, introduced him

to the source, which wanted to remain anonymous.

But through them, you know, I was able

to convince him to verify who he was

and show them all the information they needed

to see in order to verify that yes, the source is

who says he is, and we're getting this

from an authentic individual

in Department of Homeland Security.

- [Darcy] Why does the object look like it's two objects

at certain times?

Like a little ball and then like this kind

of like bell underneath it.

- [Andy] It's 'cause it actually is two objects,

but the analysis showed

that the bottom is separate from the top.

So somehow it's one object, but there's no-

- [Darcy] Working together.

- [Andy] Yeah, it's almost like working together

because they weren't able to find any evidence

of anything that was attaching the two together.

So you have a larger and then a smaller orb at the top

and as you could see they're working together

'cause they rotate as they're moving.

- [Darcy] So what is it about this video

that, you know, through your research

and speaking to specialists that have analyzed it,

what sticks out right away

that makes it, you know, a home run?

- Well, number one is the fact

that these guys are trained observers.

Their job is to observe.

Their job is literally for surveillance.

So that they're out there every single day

and night looking for things,

smugglers, you know, illegal aliens.

Not those kind of aliens but the other aliens.

- [Darcy] Narcos. - Yeah, all that.

For them to see something

and not be able to identify it is a big deal

because their job is to identify.

That is literally what they're there to do, you understand?

So if they're seeing something that catches their attention

and they have no explanation for it, I mean,

for god's sakes, this guy filmed this for 40 minutes.

Why would you film something for 40 minutes

if you knew it was a balloon?

So right there, where you're looking at on the film,

yeah, I mean I can say it now because it's out there,

but the plane is actually not over US soil.

It was actually over Mexican.

The reason why they stopped filming was

because these planes are loaned out for a certain amount

of time and that timeframe was coming to an end

so that's the reason

why they ended up abandoning the object

because they had to go back to-

- [Darcy] Refuel.

- [Andy] Yeah or to, you know, loan the plane out

to whoever else that was gonna get it next or whatever

but their time with the plane was over,

which is why the footage ended.

But at that time, the object was still

traveling in its direction.

They just abandoned the footage because of that.

- [Darcy] Was it circling the same area?

- No, the object was actually traveling in a linear fashion.

- [Darcy] And so they obviously thought it was like a

narco craft or something at first.

That's why they were interested in it.

- Well, at first the way the object appeared,

where they were panning the landscape

and then all of a sudden it came into view, it flew

into view and that's what caught their attention.

But one thing I wanna mention is that this was filmed

in black hot mode, which means

that the object you're looking

at is actually emitting no heat whatsoever.

So that's another thing

that caught their attention is the fact

that this thing is in flight and it's moving, orbiting

and it's emitting zero heat.

There's no indication that this has any kind of propellers,

or propulsion or anything.

That was another reason

why they were, you know, perplexed at what it was,

because this thing is moving with no signs

of any kind of propulsion whatsoever.

- [Darcy] And it couldn't be a balloon

because it's going against the wind or something like that.

- No, so it couldn't be a balloon

because I actually know an individual named David Falch

who's a 20 plus year FLIR expert.

He works on them and repairs them.

He did experiments with different types

of balloons under FLIR to show

what they look like, identify,

and basically assist in the debunking of that theory.

And due to those experiments, they were able

to confirm and come to the conclusion

that there was no balloon, this had nothing

to do with balloons.

There was no latex balloon attached

to a string like a certain individual

I'm not gonna name was mentioning.

For example, they were saying

it was parachute dropping drugs.

Okay, so did you recover it? Why didn't they recover it?

You know, if it was that easily identifiable,

this would not be shown to all agents in the office

as an anomalous trying to figure out what it was

'cause they would've already known.

They would've been able to identify when they went

and picked up the package from the ground after it dropped.

But this thing stood where it was at without dropping.

It did not lower in elevation.

It stood literally where it was traveling

at the speed it was traveling.

So I mean, it's clear as day

that there is nothing about the object

that is legitimately explainable

where you could say, yes, this was a drone,

or yes, this was a balloon, or yes, this was th.

It's none of those things

but because you just can't satisfy everyone, this is

why I say, no matter

how good the evidence is, someone's going

to tell you it's a balloon,

someone's gonna tell you it's a bird.

You know, that was the route I took because I understood

that what I had was important

and that it needed to be properly analyzed

before being put out there

so that way there was no, well, at least

what I thought was there was gonna be no scrutiny.

And, you know, you have some scientific backing to it

to avoid all the trolls and all that negativity

but unfortunately it didn't turn out that way.

- [Darcy] That's just the community.

- [Andy] Yeah.

- [Darcy] It's the nature of the community.

- [Andy] I know.

- [Darcy] So then once SCU, this individual took the proper

time to analyze it and say, okay, this is not a bug,

it's not a bird, it's not a balloon, you release it

to YouTube and it accumulates

around like 300,000 plus views.

- Yeah, actually the first time anything I ever put

out went viral, like legitimately went viral.

I had people from all over the world messaging me.

Matter of fact, I even had Robert Salas reach out to me

and thank me for releasing the videos

and you know, I mean some very high individuals reaching out

to me, telling me, thank you and privately.

But then I had unfortunately more negativity than positivity

because unfortunately, you know, it's just like

when it comes to this subject, no amount of proof whether

how authentic or genuine it is is ever good enough

for anybody, you know.

- [Darcy] Especially the debunkers.

- Especially the debunkers.

And, you know, they wanna see, you know, ET mooning you

through the window of the UFO

in order for them to say, oh, that's real, you know.

But what they don't understand is

that's not what they're gonna get, you understand,

especially not in this manner.

This is the best that's come out in my opinion so far

since all of this started, you know, becoming mainstream.

You know, there's no other video out there still to this day

that's come out in its entirety in this way.

You have the Tic-Tac, which just shows a spot in the screen

and people speaking and, you know, the pilot speaking.

The GoFast, which is another dot moving

and the pilot speaking, nothing really crazy, you know.

- Very under the radar release of some videos

and documents with no explanation.

All of a sudden Customs and Border Patrol has released 10

videos from what looks like forward-looking infrared cameras

from different incidents and an odd 380 some pages

of reports, news clippings and email.

- What you're looking at is anomalous.

It's not something of ours.

It's not some kind of technology that we have

that is actually exotic.

It's, you know, a UFO, a real legitimate object, you know.

- [Darcy] Possibly non-human. - Positive non-human, yes.

- Do you think, you know, we're gonna go a little bit

farfetched now, and I know that you're very professional

and you're trying to keep within the information

that you know of, you don't want to-

- [Andy] Speculate.

- Go crazy with speculation, right?

But just a little bit

of healthy speculation, you know, is warranted I'd say.

Do you think that it's possible

that these objects, these drone like spheres

or Tic-Tac UFOs might be originating

from an ocean based object

or structure that's maybe deep ocean?

- Right, so this is exactly a possibility.

After hearing what Dave Grusch has come out with

and the observations of Ryan Graves at the hearing

as well as David Fravor, we really can't rule anything out.

Of course, there's no proof right now of that,

but they're coming from somewhere

that we don't know how they're doing what they're doing

and we don't know their intentions.

So all I can say is this deserves significant amount

of study of our oceans

and that that's what I'm pursuing right now.

- Great. Why don't you talk about that then?

Tell me a bit about your study of the ocean.

I mean, you worked for NOAA as well.

You're chief meteorologist

for the Navy during these times of exercise

where they saw UAP over the oceans.

What are you pursuing right now in terms of trying

to, you know, solve this mystery?

- So a couple things.

First off, I was the chief oceanographer

of the US Navy also, and I have a PhD

in oceanography from Scripps Institution of Oceanography.

So this is my career, studying the oceans.

And so before I get to that answer, let me go back

to your previous question about

under sea infrastructure, if you want to call it that.

So of course I've thought about that.

There's been some wild speculation about something

in the Catalina Island area of Southern California.

And knowing that, knowing there has been observations

of UAP going transmedium from air to the ocean and back

from the USS Omaha, for example.

I had an opportunity.

When I was with NOAA, I signed an agreement

with a remarkable individual named Victor Vescovo.

Victor is a retired Navy Reserve commander

in the intelligence field.

And his day job was a private equity investor

and he made quite a bit of money.

And what he did, he's an explorer by nature,

he has been awarded the Explorers Grand Slam,

which is climbing the seven highest peaks

in the world's continents, including Everest

and skiing to the North Pole and the South Pole.

And so if that wasn't enough,

Victor found out about the lack of knowledge

of the oceans and that we've really not,

we know the surface of Mars and the moon

to a higher resolution than we know the sea floor

of our world oceans.

And so he decided to fund his own expedition

where he dived in a human operated submersible

to the deepest trenches in the five oceans,

seven miles down, 35,000 feet, over 10,000 meters

and he did that 15 times, remarkable individual.

I signed an agreement with him

because he was collecting some great ocean data.

He was using a ship to map using a multi-beam sonar

and this was my job at NOAA is

to ensure we were mapping more of our ocean,

at least the US part of it, the exclusive economic zone.

So Victor and I signed this agreement and we stayed

in touch after I left the government in 2021

and at the end of that year, he told me he was gonna

do a shakedown cruise with his ship

after it got installed

with a new multi-beam sonar, the latest and greatest

and he was going to do that in Southern California.

So I asked him, "Hey, I have some coordinates

for you to look at, would you mind going after them?"

And he did.

- [Rob] Could the answer

to these unidentified flying objects rest here

deep under the waters off Point Dume.

- Oh, interesting.

- [Rob] Well, from above, this may look like every

other patch of ocean off the California coast,

but thanks to Google Earth, which uses satellite images

to look underwater, another mystery is surfacing.

- So this could be the most important discovery for us

in two and a half decades.

- And so there are certain areas

where the UAP activity has been,

and I asked 'em to go survey

and look for that evidence of something.

And interestingly, there is one area

that is very interesting.

There's a part of a ridge in between Catalina

and the shore of Southern California, Long Beach

that looks like a big chunk of the ridge was carved out

and horizontally displaced.

And it doesn't look like it was a natural debris flow.

So I've passed it to some leading geologists

and ocean bathymetry experts

and they're not sure how it was created or formed.

And so my next step is to work with Scripps

or somebody and get an ROV

and obtain some image, optical imagery

and video of this area just to look.

And that's the kind of things systematic study

that needs to be done in our oceans

to really understand what these objects are,

just like the Harvard's Galileo project is doing

for anomalous phenomena in the atmosphere.

- [Person] There is, in my view,

based on the data of USO activity,

there is a very good reason to believe

that there are multiple undersea bases

that these things operate out of, yes.

And some of them would be,

but definitely off the coast of South America,

on the Atlantic side, I don't think

there's any question in my mind.

There's been too many of those types of cases.

Probably on the other side of South America too.

That's a big area of US sub activities,

at least having been recorded, yes.

Also the Atlantic and the Northern Pacific.

I don't think there's a region where it's unlikely

that there's a base under the water somewhere.

There's Ukrainian and Russian researchers 15 years ago

were talking about their strong belief

of a base near the center of the Black Sea.

So I think these things are and can be almost anywhere.

I listened to researchers discussing the possibility

of the base off the Bay of Bisque, off the coast of France.

I think these can be in many, many areas.

So you're talking about a global presence.

What are they doing? What's going on?

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- [Person] There's a whole fleet of them.

Look on the ASA.

- [Person 2] My God.

They're all going against the wind,

but that's 120,000 (indistinct).

- [Person] Look at that thing!

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