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- [Narrator] Darcy Weir is
an independent researcher

and filmmaker who has
traveled around the world

to study the UFO phenomenon.

- [Darcy] Back in August
of 2020, under a shroud

of secrecy, the UAP task
force was clandestinely brought

into existence
within the shadows

of the enigmatic US
Department of Defense.

The purpose of the
UAP task force,

to delve into the enigma
surrounding reports

of unidentified
aerial phenomenon.

Those elusive apparition
like flying objects,

more colloquially
dubbed as UFOs.

Surprisingly, rumors were abuzz

in the intelligence
community of military encounters

with craft that
demonstrated transmedium
capabilities.

In 2021, the intelligence
community had a widely
circulated

report of UAPs that were
photographed in years prior.

One said object
that was included

in the report was
photographed in 2019

by an F-18 fighter
pilot and described

as a large equilateral triangle

with rounded or blunted edges

and large perfectly
spherical white lights in each
corner.

This triangular craft was
said to emerge from the ocean

and then began to
ascend straight upwards

at a 90 degree angle.

UAP that have
originated in the ocean,

that have been described
by navy submarines

and other personnel within
the military have been described

by the UFO community for decades

as USOs, unidentified
submerged objects.

You know, that the fact

of an object not seemingly
being affected by going

from one medium, air to
another medium, water.

There are cases of these
objects entering without a
splash.

Sometimes there is a
splash, sometimes there isn't.

It could be whether a
certain field is on or not
though,

and not necessarily
slowing down at all

when they enter the water.

- [Darcy] The United
States Navy secretly classifis
USOs

as fast movers, which
display remarkable speeds

and agility beyond
the capabilities

of known human
made submersibles.

These sightings and
detections have peaked the
interest

of the UAP task force,

and it seems they have
been cataloging the transmedium

capabilities of these objects

for the intelligence
community and the DoD.

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The story begins with the
GoFast UAP video and NASA's-

- UAP evidence.

But part of our
statement of task is

to assess the scientific
analysis techniques

that are available and
how we might use them

to determine physical
constraints on UAP.

You know, the UAP reports

with the most detailed
contextual information are the
ones

from the Navy aviators
with known separation

in time, you can figure
out how far it moved.

And in this case, this
object moved about 390 meters

in 22 seconds, and
that corresponds

to a velocity of just
40 miles per hour.

This is a parallax effect case.

Thank you.

- My questions regarding
this phenomena led me

to American Oceanographer

and retired rear
Admiral, Tim Gallaudet.

How long did you serve for
the Navy and worked for NOAA?

- I served in the
Navy for 32 years,

and I then worked for NOAA

after that for about
three and a half years.

- While you were serving
in the Navy, you had an
encounter,

well, you witnessed
something while aboard a ship

or while were you at,
you know, a Navy office

when you saw this video?

Right, so I was in my office

and the situation was,
I was the commander

of all the US Navy's
meteorologists and
oceanographers.

And so my job was
to oversee them

and they deployed on
various ships for training

and for operations.

And during 2015, the Navy
was conducting a large exercise

off the US East Coast
involving the USS Theodore
Roosevelt.

And I received an email on
the Navy's secret network,

and it was from my boss at
US Fleet Forces Command,

the operations officer
that worked for him,

two star Admiral,
overseeing this exercise

and the title

of the email was "Urgent
Safety Of Flight Issue."

And in the body of the
email, he was very brief

and said, "If any of you,"

and there were about
20 other admirals,

and one and two stars addressed

that were under the US
Fleet Forces command,

"If any of you know what
these are, tell me ASAP

because we're having
numerous near mid-air collisions

and we might have to
cancel the exercise."

And attached was the now
famous and leaked GoFast video.

(static hissing)

- [Official] Tango, six
one, Tango, object (indistinct).

- [Official 2] Oh,
got it! (laughs)

- [Official] Roger,
there's trouble shooting
(indistinct).

- [Official 2] You
got smoking target.

- No, I took an auto track.
- Oh, okay.

Oh my gosh, dude. Wow.

- [Official] What is
that, man? Look at it fly.

- Of course I was
surprised, but I knew then and
there

that we didn't have
technology that could do that.

And I knew it wasn't an
adversary's capability

because that was a
US training range,

which is strictly controlled

and we would not have
allowed any ship, foreign ship

to deploy something like that.

And so we had monitored
that range very strictly.

And so I received that
email and I knew then

that this was likely
extraterrestrial origin

that people have long
speculated about.

And I called in my deputy,
he was a senior civilian,

and he and I spoke
at length about this,

and we were surprised, but
a little bit not surprised

because of all that's
been coming out.

And the more interesting
thing is the next day it was
wiped

from my computer and my deputy's

and everybody else
who was on the email.

And so I knew then
that I surmised

that this must have
been in some kind

of compartmented program

and that this two star
admiral had sent it

to us, he didn't know about it

and then whoever was in
control of this program found
out,

and they of course
withdrew all the information.

And what was interesting

to me though is I was the
chief meteorologist in the Navy,

and my job was safety of flight

for whenever air
operations are going on

that my meteorologists
were forecasting for those.

And so this was a real
top priority for me.

And I could not-

- [Darcy] Like flights
off of aircraft carriers,

flights off of whatever.

- Airfield off the
land airfield training

or aircraft carriers, both
in training events like this one

or deployed overseas,
which I have done.

I've served on a Navy
aircraft carrier.

And so what what
was surprising is

that I met with my
commander and his staff

and all the other
subordinate commanders

that were on this email
thread every month.

And the next meeting
and the next, the next,

none of this was
ever talked about.

I mean, we almost canceled
a major exercise required

to deploy overseas
to the fifth fleet.

And these are so
structured and the timing is so
compressed

that to do so is
a real major deal.

The four star knew for sure.

He probably reported to
the chief of naval operations

and no one ever talked about it.

I couldn't believe it.

But again, I figured it was

in some intelligence
communities black program

and that's why no
one talked about it.

But then, you know, after
I got outta the Navy

and the government, that's
when I began speaking up about
it

and it had already been
leaked in the New York Times.

- Okay, so this was
2015, you saw this.

You were in service.

Do you think the gentleman
within the Navy who shared

that email got
reprimanded for doing so?

- Oh, I have no way of
knowing. I doubt it.

This is a real fine
officer with impeccable
integrity.

He was just doing his job

and well, I mean,
so I would not know.

But his boss was a very,
I won't name names,

but the four star
who was his boss,

US Fleet Forces
commander, no matter

what intelligence
community official, he woulde
stood

by his people.

He was a great leader.
I highly doubt it.

Because, I mean, his
boss, the four star,

he would never reprimand
him for something like that.

That's doing his job,
safety of flight.

- But you knew that it's
in the middle of the ocean.

It's not a drone because
drones need more fuel

and more, let's say battery.

- Well, it was a
small circular object.

It had none of the
features of any of the drones
operating

in the US inventory or
any of our adversaries.

So it's definitely
not a human made drone

in the appearance of it.

- Yeah, could have been a
non-human intelligence drone

though, for all we know.

- Well, now we know after
this historic hearing.

Yes, in all likelihood, it was.

- I'll now recognize Mr.
Graves for five minutes

for your opening statement.

- Thank you, Chairman
Grothman, ranking member Garcia,

distinguished members of
the House Oversight Subcommittee

on National Security,
Representative Burchett and
Luna.

My name is Ryan FOBS Graves,

and I'm a former F-18 pilot

with a decade of
service in the US Navy,

including two deployments

in Operation Enduring Freedom

and Operation Inherent Resolve.

I have experienced
advanced UAP firsthand,

and I'm here to
voice the concerns

of more than 30 commercial
air crew and military veterans

who have confided their
similar encounters with me.

In 2014, I was an
F-18 Foxtrot pilot

in the Navy Fighter Attack
Squadron 11, the Red Rippers,

and I was stationed at NAS
Oceana in Virginia Beach.

After upgrades were made
to our jet's radar systems,

we began detecting
unknown objects operating

in our airspace.

At first, we assumed
they were radar errors,

but soon we began to
correlate the radar tracks

with multiple onboard
sensors, including infrared
systems,

eventually through visual ID.

During a training mission
in warning area Whiskey-72,

10 miles off the coast
of Virginia Beach,

two F-18 Super Hornets
were split by a UAP.

The object described as a
dark gray or a black cube inside

of a clear sphere came
within 50 feet of the lead
aircraft

and was estimated to be
five to 15 feet in diameter.

The mission commander
terminated the flight
immediately

and returned to base.

Our squadron submitted
a safety report,

but there was no official
acknowledgement of the incident

and no further mechanism
to report the sightings.

Soon these encounters
became so frequent

that aircrew would
discuss the risk

of UAP as part of their
regular pre-flight briefs.

- And there were many
of them, by the way.

- Ryan Graves was saying

that these were showing up
on your sensors for days.

- Right.

In fact, this was the exact time

Ryan Graves was flying.

He was flying off the
Theodore Roosevelt

and so these were the
objects he was seeing

when he was flying.

- Do you think the Navy
knows, like generals

and servicemen are
well aware of UAPs

or USOs, unidentified
submerged objects in our oceans?

- I've talked to a
few retired officers

who have seen sonar
signatures of these

that can't be explained by
anything made by our navy

or our adversary navies.

And so obviously there's
a working level knowledge.

It's not throughout the fleet,

but there are known occurrences.

I also have been talking
to this growing community

of experts, people like
Lou Elizondo and Chris Mellon.

I've even published an
article with Chris Mellon

and they know and have
interviewed people

who seen these objects either

on their sensor
data or visually.

- Mr. Fravor,
do you believe

that you witnessed an
additional object under the
water

in relation to your encounter?

- I will say we did
not see an object.

There was something there
to cause the whitewater,

and when we turned
around, it was gone.

So there was something
there that obviously moved.

- Okay, but it was not
the same object though

that you were
looking at, correct?

- No, we actually joked
that the Tic-Tac was
communicating

with something when we came back

and because whitewater
disappeared.

- Obviously, you're
very interested

in what's going on
in our oceans, right?

So have you ever heard of
the term being discussed

by even these retired navy
men of what's called fast
movers?

- I have.

And no, I can't confirm

there is an official
program like that.

I don't have working
knowledge of it,

but I've talked to people
who do, and I'll just say that.

- Technically anything
they've spoken

to you about is
completely classified

and you're not at
liberty to discuss that.

- Right.

And look just like all
the UAP information

that Dave Grusch has
been coming forward with,

so that right now, all of
that has not been disclosed.

- It's classified.
- Yeah.

- Do you have any personal
knowledge of people

who have been harmed or
injured in efforts to cover up

or conceal these
extraterrestrial technology?

- Yes, personally.

- Have you heard
anyone been murdered

that you know of or
have heard of, I guess?

- I have to be careful
asking that question.

I directed people
with that knowledge

to the appropriate authorities.

- Maybe if we could get it

in a confidential area of
SCIF, we could talk about that

but unfortunately, we were
denied access to the SCIF

and that's very
unfortunate in this scenario.

- In the pursuit to uncover more

about a supposed
fast mover program

within the Navy, I was led

to Mark D'Antonio, an
astronomer photo and video
analyst

for MUFON Mutual UFO Network.

Mark would share with
me his experience

with a USO while aboard
a navy submarine.

Now, I heard through the
grapevine that you had a
experience

with what some people call
a fast mover in the Navy.

- Yeah, I can tell
you about that.

- Can you tell me

about first possible
like navy encounters

with what are described as USOs?

- Yeah, I mean, USOs
are really important

unknown submersible objects.

And that what happened
years earlier in the Atlantic
Ocean.

Decades ago, that's
plural, decades ago,

I was doing some work for
the Navy, I still do work

for the Navy, and I
was asked if I wanted

to go on a submarine for
a little trip so I did.

And while on that sub,
that one only time I ever went

on a sub for this trip,
I got seasick of course,

because I'm not a sailor.

And so when I got on the
boat, I was just hoping

to keep my stomach intact.

On the surface, they roll
like you can't believe, you
know,

especially when there's a
storm passing through, hello.

But when they're
underwater, it feels like this
right here.

You don't know you're moving,

then you might feel
a little vibration.

Okay, it goes through your feet

as it changed water
temperature or whatever, but
that's it.

So once we were smooth, I
went and sat in a sonar shack,

which is four consoles.

The first console was manned.

The second console, third
and fourth were not.

I asked if I could
sit in the second

and they said, "Yes, just
don't touch anything."

"I won't touch it."

And so I sat there trying
to regain my stomach

and I sat there like this going,

okay, don't throw up
on the captain's shoes.

We're gonna have
dinner with 'em later.

Oh God, I don't want
to eat, you know?

And so the nature of a
submarine is that it's noisy
inside.

You hear air.

- All the motors and machines.

- There are all
kinds of machinery.

And of course the
navy prides itself

on not letting that
noise get out of a hull.

So I sat there and
that constant din

of white noise was
actually putting me asleep.

So I ended up just nodding off

and all of a sudden I'm
awakened by the sonar guy.

"Con sonar, con sonar,
fast mover, fast mover."

I jolt awake going,
"Fast mover? Oh no.

Oh no, it's a torpedo."

I immediately got
adrenaline surge.

I thought I was about to
die inside this iron coffin.

That's what I thought.

And the executive
officer just sort

of saunters around the corner

and he looks down, I'm
thinking, wow, he's pretty calm

in the face of a
torpedo incoming.

At least I made
it into a torpedo.

And the XO as their
called looks around

and says, "What
do you got?"

And the kid was facing
that way and the XO was facing
me.

I'm at the edge of my seat
leaning like it's something

you do every day, trying
to hear the conversation

'cause it was hard to hear.

And the kid gave him the bearing

in the range softer
than next sentence

and I didn't hear that.

But I did hear when the
XO asked for the speed

and the kid said loudly,
he turned in his seat like this

and he held his hands out.

And at first he
didn't say anything.

He's like, "Several
hundred knots, sir."

And he just kept his
hands like this, right,

'cause he didn't know
what to do with it.

A sonar guy is supposed

to classify every
single thing they see.

They're supposed to know.

This one, he didn't know
because he couldn't possibly
know.

And so he was like this,
not knowing what to do.

And the XO said to him,
"Okay, log and dog it."

And he went, "Sir, yes
sir," and he went right back

to work, no questions
asked, nothing.

Well, me, Mr. Bigshot,
because I was invited, you see,

on this boat, so I'm
an important person.

I know you can see
where this is going.

I get up and I go over to the XO

and I said, "Sir, well I'm
familiar with these fast movers.

Is there anything I
can help you with?"

By the way, seasickness gone.

As soon as I heard
this, I was like, gone.

You know, so it's
psychological in part.

I say, "Is there anything
I can help you with, sir?"

He looks at me and he
goes, "D'Antonio, right?"

I go, "Sir, yes sir."

He says, "You're having
a good trip so far?

"Sir, yes, sir."

And he goes, "Let's
keep it that way."

Okay. And he walked away.

So I was like, okay.

And he said it in a nice way.

He wasn't like,
let's keep it that.

He said, "Let's
keep it that way,"

and he turned and walked away.

- [Darcy] He doesn't
wanna talk about it.

- He didn't wanna talk about it.

And I thought if I saw something

on just one trip, they
must be very common,

so I started looking
into it and they are.

I found other submarines
and they laugh,

"Oh yeah, we call those
things jellyfish on our boat."

"Jellyfish?"

"Yeah, Just to classify
'em 'cause they don't go
anywhere.

We don't know what they
are." - It's just a code word.

- They don't make noise

so that's sort of like
the little in joke, right?

Jellyfish don't make noises.

So they call 'em jellyfish
just to name them something.

- So how does sonar work?

Can you kind of explain
that for the audience a little
bit?

Is it like an echolocation
sort of technology?

- Sonar is a lot like light.

And the physics of light are,

you have might have
a source like the sun

and it emits photons and
the light bounces off an object

and then hits your eye
and that allows you

to register what that is.

Sonar works in the same
way, but at much lower
frequencies.

And so a pulse is emitted
from a transducer or an object

that emanates sound, and
it is received by a hydrophone

and it's basically
vibrations of the molecules in
the water

and that's what registers
a sound at a certain signal
level.

- [Darcy] So an object
that is emitting.

- Yeah, and there's
two forms of it.

There's passive sonar,
which just listens for noise

that's generated by anything

and then there's active
sonar, which is like radar.

And it's where something
like a sonar, a USS ship

or submarine emits
a sound signal

and it bounces off an
object and comes back

and allows you to
determine the distance

to which that object is

and also over time, it's speed.

- [Darcy] That's when
you're pinging someone.

- That's right.
Exactly right, yeah.

- And then several years
later, I have to do a job

for the joint chiefs
down in Washington.

In fact, it was a
presidential model, had to do

for the president of
the United States.

So I did this model,
I drove it down.

I went to a home of one
of the joint chiefs,

and I sat with him in his
house, in his living room,

and I asked him a question.

My brain said, "Don't ask.

Don't ask the question.
Don't say it."

I was already saying it,

"Sir, what can you tell me
about the Fast Mover program?"

And that's where
you ruin friendships

and relationships is
when you start prying.

You know, I had a high
clearance at the time

and I didn't wanna
jeopardize that,

but something made me ask

and I immediately went, oh,

like that, I
shouldn't have asked

and I think he
picked up on that.

He kinda smiled. He
goes, "I'm sorry, Marc.

I can't talk about
that program."

- This is the second in
command for the Navy?

- Yes.

- And he-
- What's his name?

- I can't give that to you.

Okay, because you
probably can research it,

but it was decades ago.
- What year?

- This was decades ago.

I can't talk about that.

It's the nature of my
trip, the nature, I can't talk.

And that's part of
the problem, isn't it,

with this world?

People will doubt
anything you say

if you can't give 'em all
the details, you know?

Well, I'm sorry, that's
just what has to be lived with.

- [Darcy] It's classified.

- It just that I
can't talk about it.

- [Darcy] And you have a
nondisclosure agreement.

- Well, you have a non
jail time agreement.

If you violate that,
you're going to jail, you kno?

And I get mad when I see
politicians violate this,

and nothing happens to 'em

but if I violate it, I'm
going right to the can, you
know?

So I've never done that.
I never will, I can't.

- [Darcy] All of this
talk about submarines

and the USO
phenomenon reminded me

that I could go see my friend,

Jim Goodall in Tucson, Arizona.

Having written a book

on our Navy subs, this
man has probably been

aboard more submarines
than any civilian,

and perhaps more
than some navy men.

When you hear about navy
submarine seamen witnessing

or noticing on
sonar USO activity,

objects that are
moving, you know,

300 knots plus in the water.

- I don't know
the date involved,

and I won't use the
gentleman's name,

even though he's mentioned
it publicly and has been in
print

that during some testing

on the the Los Angeles
class improved 688

Los Angeles Class
fast attack submarine,

the USS Hampton, I
think it's SSN 767.

They were doing something
new with the sonar,

and an object was being
picked up on sonar as a fast
mover

and it went zipping by 'em.

And the sonar operator
said, "That went

by us and in excess
of 800 miles an hour."

- [Darcy] Wow.

- And it wasn't a biologic

and it wasn't an
error in the processor

because there are multiple
sensors picked up this object,

whatever it was.

They have no explanation for it.

Of course, the Navy is not
saying anything about it

because, you know, if they
admit that something happened,

then, you know,
they're gonna have

to come up with an answer.

And if they deny it,
there's no consequences for
saying no.

99.9% of the operational
military submarines

have a test depth, which
is whether they're limited

to go beyond of 1200 feet.

Virginia class is about
to be about 1500 feet.

And the three Seawolf
boats, it's 2000 feet.

- [Darcy] What's
the fastest speed

that a submarine is
known to travel at?

- [Jim] Well, when I think,

when the USS
Connecticut hit the sea,

it hit the sea out
here not too long ago,

and I was on that sub 2017.

I think they were
doing like 35 knots,

that's 40 miles an hour.

Now, when the San
Francisco hit, that was SSN 711,

they had had the nose
hatch to the sonar catwalk open.

It's a 32 or 34 inch hole.

It's six inches
thick of HY-80 steel.

And the HY-80 stands for,

you can go 80,000 PSI
before it starts to deform.

The newer subs are using HY-100.

And it's only produced, I
think, in, you know, one

or two mills under
exclusive contract of United
States Navy.

- [Darcy] So you think
it's really about 40 miles per
hour

that our technology can
withstand, you know, ocean

drag effects and the water?

They can go a little
faster than that.

- [Jim] Well, yeah, the
Russians have claimed

they have torpedoes that
go 200 or 400 miles an hour

and that's because they
are putting a stream of air-

- [Darcy] In front of them.

- In front of it.
- So it creates an envelope?

- Yeah, and that's why like

when they fire a
ballistic missile out

of one of our Ohio boats,
they're about 150 feet deep

when they launch.

And the rocket, the
Trident two doesn't even get wet

because the blast of air
pushing the thing out

envelops the entire sub,
I mean the entire missile.

And then once it clears
the water, then it ignites.

(thunder crashing)

I've always been
fascinated with submarines.

And I can remember back
in the '60s, I wrote

General Dynamics Electric
Boat in Groton, Connecticut,

and asked for some photos
or anything they have on the,

at the time it was the
fleet ballistic missile
submarine

they called the 41 for
freedom ballistic missile subs

and fast attacks, the
early fast attacks.

And they sent me some
stuff, but that was about it.

And I had an opportunity in 2004

to go for a ride on
the Henry M. Jackson.

That is the SSBN 730.

It is a 560 foot long,
18,000 tons submerged

nuclear powered ballistic
missile submarine.

Prior to assault treaties,
they had 24 missile tubes,

and each one of the D5 missiles,

which are the most
advanced missiles

that it carries, could carry up

to 14 quarter megaton
hydrogen bombs times 24

but because the saw
they had to put ballast

in four of the middle tubes.

But I had a chance to
go out, we went out

through the Strait
of Juan de Fuca.

I'm up in there in the
sail and I'm looking around

and saying, you
know, Gene Hackman

and Denzel Washington
don't have a thing on me.

- I concur, sir.

- [Darcy] When you think

of these massive nuclear
war boats going out

to North Korea, right,
and we're in the middle

of a potential war, right,
World War III, possibly.

I know that you don't
think it's actually gonna
happen,

but what if one of
those things sinks

and detonates at the
bottom of the ocean?

Like could that-

- [Jim] A nuclear weapon or-

- [Darcy] Yeah, like a
massive nuclear warhead.

A warhead that's on one of
those U-boats, you know, like

what if that detonates
in the ocean,

would that be radioactive
to the planet, like that mess
up?

- The precision and maintenance

of nuclear weapons
is very intensive.

The radiation destroys
metal and it destroys
electronics.

So they have to
continuously upgrade and update,

plus the plutonium,
it starts decay.

It has a half life of
25,000 years or something like
that.

- [Darcy] Considering the
dangers of nuclear weapons

maybe we shouldn't always
rely on aliens above

and below to save our asses.

Would you think it's fair
to say that the Navy,

and, you know, the NOAA

and the different oceanic
scientific organizations

still don't know
everything that's down there in
the bottom?

- I mean, you know, do we
know that everything's, you
know,

below the surface of the ocean.

We only know about 5%

of what's in the bottom
of the world's oceans.

- When I was at NOAA, we
had remotely operated vehicles

that were rated to go
down to 6,000 meters

and do the science of
deep sea oceanography,

which is really interesting.

And then there was my
friend, Victor Vescovo,

who designed the
ultimate submersible

and went down to the
deepest parts of the ocean.

And then still he's
collected some great data

but all of these areas
are very little understood

and need to be looked at more.

- Right now we have,

what kind of listening
systems in the oceans?

We have the SOSUS.

- We have quite a bit.

We have, it's called
SOSUS, it's US Navy.

It's operated by the commander

of the Undersea
Surveillance Command.

I know a former
commander of that command

and I know officers
within that command

and they're managing these
undersea surveillance networks

that are basically arrays
of hydrophones on the seabed

and we use those for
anti-submarine warfare.

That is a source.

And also there are of
course, mobile assets

either unmanned
underwater vehicles,

and there's a wide range

of those in the private
sector right now

and the Navy has a few
of them as well as NOAA.

And then there are even
a pretty extensive range

of drifting types of buoys
and sensor configurations.

So there's a large
amount of the ocean

that's being looked at already.

We can do more.

And I pretty much
have a handle on all

of those both within the
US and within partners.

And in fact, your home country

of Canada has a very
significant network

of undersea acoustic
observation capability.

- So when they're
listening, these listening
networks

of devices, they have
cataloged all of the biologics

and they've cataloged all

of the equipment
that's known, right?

Especially for the Navy,
you guys have to know

what the Russians are
driving, what the Chinese,

what, you know, anybody
who has an aquatic force.

- [Tim] Yeah, that's the
office of naval intelligence.

They're really good at
that and that's their job.

- So you're of the mind that

when we see these objects going

through our oceans at 500 knots,

which we are only like
able to send things like,

for example, submarine can
go maybe a max of 35 to 40
knots,

and then maybe the
Russians have these torpedoes

that they create a air
bubble in front of,

and those can go up to 200 miles

or something like that,

which I think is like,
I don't know, 100 knots

or something like that,
150 knots, something like that.

- Yeah. That's called
super cavitation.

I'm not gonna comment
on our own force

or adversary capabilities
in terms of numbers,

but I'll say yes, that
we have capabilities

that currently the
phenomena we're seeing far
exceed.

- [Darcy] Okay, so
we have a threshold

in which we cannot go
beyond in terms of speed-

- Right.

- Underwater.
- Yeah.

- [Darcy] Okay.

- I mean, and this
is just like the UAP

that are observed
in the atmosphere.

And this is why this is
such a historic time,

is when we begin learning
more about these phenomena

and possibly the
technology that allows

for them to do, we're
gonna learn things, maybe new
physics.

And I know they are
certain people like

Avi Loeb, they don't like
that term new physics

because they think we
know all there is to know.

But actually, I do disagree.

I don't think we know
all there is to know.

And I think, so not
new physics being,

it will violate anything
we know currently.

It's just that we're gonna
learn about certain
possibilities

that we've just yet to discover.

- [Darcy] With our
own current physics.

- Yeah, exactly.

So just the laws of physics

as we know them is
gonna be expanded

and then that's
what's so exciting.

- As an oceanographer, can
you describe, sort of illustrate

for me the different
levels of ocean volume

as we go down to a trench?

- Wow.

- [Darcy] And just
sort of like types

of biologics along the
way and what, you know,

kind of submarines we would,

what kind of vehicles
we can actually operate?

- Okay at a very high
level, the surface down

to 100 meters, that's
where navy submarines operate.

I won't let you know how
much farther they can go down,

but that's pretty
much where they do.

That's where a lot of commercial

and scientific
drones operate in.

They're called AUVs,
autonomous underwater vehicle.

And then there's also a
thing called ocean gliders,

which are longer range

and they are powered
by buoyancy changes,

and they kind of do
a seesaw up and down

and they can go down
1000 meters potentially.

And so you kind of have
autonomous underwater vehicles

and submarines in the
upper hundred meters

and then these gliders can
go down to 1000 meters.

And then deep diving
remotely operated vehicles can
go down

to about 6,000 meters.

And then some of the
deepest submersibles like
Victor's

and a Chinese submersible
actually can go down

to 10,000 meters or more.

And so those are what we
kind of have to sense.

And then we have a number

of different fixed
sensors like arrays

that can operate at any depth.

Then the sea life
you see in there,

in the upper surface is
really rich and robust

and abundant from small plankton

to 100-foot long blue whales

and all sorts of pelagic fish

and that's why that upper
part is called the pelagic zone.

And as you go down to the
deepest, you kind of have the,

you know, at the very
deepest is called the Hadal
zone,

like Hades, the underworld

and there, you still have
different forms of sea life.

Sea life exists throughout
the entire water column.

And Victor, when he was
doing his deep dives,

actually discovered
some new species,

which was terrific for
us as a science agency.

We wanted to know that

and we continue to
investigate that.

- [Darcy] Some of you may
be saying to yourselves, okay,

so a couple of guys have
seen some strange stuff

in or over international
waters, who cares?

Well, apparently my
friend, Richard Dolan has head

of way more than a few stories.

A historian who
meticulously educates people

on the phenomena of USOs.

- You know, we're talking
about unusual objects

in the sky, well, that's
obviously interesting,

but when they come
out of the water,

when they go into the water,

when they're moving
in the water at speeds

that are just not
supposed to be possible,

that's incredibly
interesting and mysterious.

I think even more mysterious

in a lot of ways
than aerial objects.

This is a huge thing.

I mean, we all know the
earth is 70% covered by water.

We're all mostly land
lovers, let's be real about it.

Some of us go out into the
ocean, but mostly we don't.

And what is going on out
there in the depths of the
ocean?

You've got the main navies

of the world,
predominantly the United States
Navy,

which has a global presence.

You know, they're
encountering stuff.

And I've collected a lot
of US Navy USO reports,
unofficial.

And I mean, this is the problem

with a lot of these USO cases.

Like we really have to
be fair in describing

how difficult it is
to get documentation

on a lot of these cases, right?

It's not like, you know,
you can file a FOIA request

and get something on other
types of UFO encounters.

There's very little FOIA
activity that I've been aware of

that deals with USO cases.

And the definite message
that comes through over

and over again is
that the secrecy

on these is very, very severe.

Records get taken out,
they get expunged,

log books get switched out
and this type of thing.

So there's a lot of management

over the information
with these things.

And so, almost typically,
classically, the way these
stories

will come out is an
ex-Navy guy, 20, 30 years

after the fact, will
quietly talk to a researcher

and get the story out
often under anonymity.

And even sometimes under
even more than anonymity,

he'll say, "Look, I
don't even wanna tell you

where our ship was.

I don't wanna tell you,
you know, what my rank was.

I don't wanna tell you
what we were doing."

- [Darcy] If something
like a fast mover is reported

on say, a submarine
through sonar detection,

do you think the first officer

and the XO, maybe a number

of other crewman
actually would be aware

of these types of objects?

- Yes, I do.

In fact, the one story
I've heard, and I'm not gonna
get

into too much specifics
from a US submarine, it was

everybody on the bridge
was tracking it on sonar

and so there were
multiple witnesses.

And by the way, that data,
it was sent somewhere

that looks at acoustic data.

I'll leave it at that.

I'll need to dig into that more

to make sure I can
go on the record

and talk about where that goes.

But it was sent somewhere,
an authoritative source

of acoustic data and I
don't know what they've done
with it,

but I'm gonna be looking
into that more as we go forward.

- [Darcy] Interesting.

- I suspect they have a
lot more of those reports.

And I don't have confirmation,

but I believe this
source, this data curator

probably owns this
potential fast mover program.

- [Darcy] Wow, okay.

And they're a data
curator within the Navy?

- No, they're not.
They're a Navy partner.

- [Darcy] Ah.

Kind of like the

National Geospatial
Agency is a partner, okay.

- They're, yeah.

- A little over the last year,

in addition to all my
other UFO research, I really got

into this subject.

And it actually
started for me, I think

in spring of 2022, one of
the members of my website,

I have a website
where I've got a lot

of very smart, active people,

and they asked me
about a particular case

in the summer of 1945 in
the Ellucian Islands, right,

between Alaska and Siberia.

One of the Ellucian
islands is called Adak Island.

It's very small

and it's the western
westernmost military base

of the United States military.

And just so happens that
in the summer of '45,

when World War II
was still going

in the Pacific Theater
anyway, there was a US transport
ship

on its way back to Seattle
and it was called USS Delroth.

And it so happened that
this crew apparently dealt

with an object that
came out of the water

about a mile distance from them,

estimated diameter, maybe
about 200 feet diameter

so a pretty good size.

Came up outta the water.

It was clearly visible
against the sky.

It was becoming dusk, but
the sun was still out somewhat

so dark silhouette
comes up, straight up

and then begins to circle

around their ship
two or three times

so they got a good look at it

and it then just zipped off.

The speed of this object
wasn't outstanding.

It was about 100 miles
per hour estimate,

not super fast but the
thing about it was, primary
witness

who spoke about this said
it was absolutely rock steady,

no oscillation, no
change in speed.

It had to be eerie to see
something like that, you know?

So it circled around them
twice and then moved off.

And I think it took off
at a pretty good speed.

I don't think they were sure.

And he just saw there
was some lights flashing

as it departed
and that was that.

So that was the case
that started me going

into a deeper dive, if I
may say that, into the subject.

I did a little mini
lecture on it from my website

and then I thought, I wanna look

at some more of these cases.

- [Darcy] When you were
going down that road

of investigating that
phenomenon, basically USOs,

what else did you find?

- I found that there were
incidents in our Navy

that go relatively unreported.

1951, there were objects
flying in and outta the ocean

at a specific latitude,
longitude provided

by the Kizugawa Maru which
is a Japanese freighter.

And I looked on the map

and guess what, it's right
near the Mariana Trench.

- [Darcy] That's interesting.

- And based on the methodology

that I think an alien
spacecraft would have to use

in order to traverse and be here

and be hidden, they could
be in the Mariana Trench.

- One of them,

there was a case, several
cases actually dealing

with the US aircraft carrier,

the USS Franklin Delano
Roosevelt, the FDR.

And that ship's got one heck

of a history with UFOs and USOs.

I mean, back in 1952,

there was a NATO operation
called Main Brace.

This was in the North Sea.

It was a naval exercise
in September of 1952.

The FDR was there,
along with many other US

and NATO navy ships.

And this is very
well documented.

There was a large
series, several days

of dramatic UFO silence
dealing with this whole
scenario.

The FDR was the first
US aircraft carrier

to carry nuclear weapons.

And I don't know if that
has anything to do with this,

but that ship had many
encounters with UFOs

and USOs as far as I can tell.

The Main Brace incident,
that's a well-documented one

but then there were
others that follow.

One that I learned about
that is utterly fascinating

to me happened in the
early part of 1954, not long

after Main Brace, about a year

and a half later, less than that

so January or February, 1954.

And the gentleman who
wrote about it, he wrote it

to a couple of
different sources.

One of them is called
Filers Files, George Filers.

Taking all the reports.

Loved George Filer and
so this went there.

And the man writes, he
says, look, even now

after all these years, I
have to be careful about the
safety

of my family and my
career and my life.

I don't think he was saying

that his life would be
threatened but he was very
concerned.

So he gives some vague
generalities about what he was.

He was an officer on the FDR.

And this is a ship that
was normally stationed

in the Mediterranean, but
as, as I looked into its
history,

in January of 1954, it
left the Mediterranean

to go back to Seattle for
a major refit and overhaul,

which took several years.

So the only time that
this could have happened

in 1954 would've been
January or February.

And it was too large to go
through the Panama Canal,

so it had to go
down the Atlantic,

down the South
American coastline down

around the tip of South America.

- [Darcy] Towards Antarctica?

- [Richard] Yes, up the
other side, the Pacific side,

up to Seattle.

So in a month and a half

or so, it traveled almost,
I think 20,000 miles

or something like that.

- [Darcy] Wow.

- So at some point along
that path, I don't know

where the FDR according
to this man encountered,

had an unbelievable encounter.

And what he said is,
he was very technical

and very vague at the same
time, he didn't say where it
was,

but he said, now this is
like a 30 minute encounter,

he said, after about
about 10 minutes

or so, he was called to
the deck by a fellow officer

and they saw a
cigar shaped object

that he said was
about 100 feet long.

And it was not
directly over the ship,

but close to the ship.

And he said that they
tried to engage weapons

and the weapons went offline.

He didn't say which weapons.

He said at the conclusion
of the event, they tried

to launch two aircraft,
two fighter aircraft, they would

not launch, they
would not take off.

In the meantime, this
cigar shaped object hung around

for a few minutes and
then shot up to the sky.

He said right after that,

these two white circular
disc objects came out

of the water, exited the water

and they were hanging
around for a little while.

He then said that a much
larger cigar shaped object,

roughly 300 feet in
diameter came into the area.

Now when I read this
account, I'm wondering this same
object

that just seemed closer or
not and you don't really know.

What we know is that the
first time it appeared,

it looked like it was
100 feet in diameter.

And then the second,
nearly identical looking one,

but was much larger, comes
into view and is there.

So you got these two
little white discs,

you got this 300 foot
long cigar shaped object.

- Massive.
- Massive.

And not as big as the
FDR, but pretty big.

And the two disc objects

enter this larger
cigar shaped craft.

The cigar shaped object
then shoots up for a few minutes

and then comes down
and enters the water

and that is the conclusion
of this particular event.

Well, off Puerto
Rico in the '60s,

and I talked about
this in my talk,

there was a series of five
submarines and some destroyers.

They were doing maneuvers,

but one of the submarines
detected something

and it started to follow
it with permission.

And they noticed that this
object accelerated rapidly

to very high speeds, similar to

what was seen in our situation.

And then it actually
went to great depth

and it came up
very shallow again.

And it was doing
that with regularity.

And so they ended up
following it for four days

and it was there and they
kept following it for four days

and they could never
get any closer to it.

It always stayed just
outta their range

and they tried to be closer.

Sometimes they'd just get closer

and it would go away.

And also the old Soviet Navy,

the Russian Navy
Soviets, particularly

encountering these as well.

For example, there was
probably the premier Soviet UFO

researcher was a man
named Vladimir Azhazha

and very good, very
serious research, 1960s, '70s.

And he was very in with
the Soviet military as well

and spoke about how the
Soviet military during the 1970s

and '80s had a special project

to investigate
USOs specifically,

and specifically ones that
were following Soviet
submarines.

And he said, you know,

"At first we thought

these were American
technology, American craft."

He said, "But no way,
these things were way too fast."

They were just too incredible.

And he said, on one occasion

there was a Soviet
icebreaker in the Arctic Sea,

all the heavy ice
and everything.

- What year?
- He didn't give a year.

Did not give a year.

And not only is that a
problem with USO cases,

that's a big problem with
Soviet UFO cases in general.

- [Darcy] Because
they don't talk years.

- Well they don't because
a lot of this stuff,

it was never officially
supposed to exist.

So all the conversation
in the Soviet years

on UFOs was always
unofficial, very quiet.

And so it was only

when the Soviet Union
broke apart 1990, '91,

that these stories
started really coming out.

So by that time
you got guys years

after the fact talking.

- [Darcy] And like Paul
Stonehill escaping?

- Yes, exactly.

And so they don't have
dates, they don't have years.

They've just got the stories.

But in this case, you
have a Soviet icebreaker,

no, I don't know the year
that's doing its job in the
Arctic

and an object blasts
through the ice.

And there's someone
interviewing Azhazha about ths

and they said, "Well,
could it have been a missile?"

He says, "No. Missile's
not gonna blast through the
ice."

And he said, besides
this thing was a sphere.

(laughing) So they had
that much of a description.

- [Darcy] As a Canadian,
I needed to speak

with my fellow
researcher and friend,

Louis Borges about the now
famous Shag Harbor incident.

So we're out here,
we're on the water.

And I understand you've
studied quite a few

of the Canadian
water-based UFO and USO cases.

- Yeah, well I think
the most famous one,

of course would be Shag Harbor.

- [Darcy] And this
happened off the coast

of Nova Scotia.

- Correct, yeah, off the coast

of Shag Harbor, Nova
Scotia, right on the southern
tip.

Witness numbers were in
double digits, credible people,

police officers, airline
pilots and there's evidence.

There's government reports.

So many people in the town
actually saw what happened.

And basically, I believe
it was October 4th, 1967.

Residents saw lights
in the sky kind

of not doing what an
aircraft would do.

It was running sort
of in a pattern,

but nothing discernible.

And then it appeared
to sort of hover

over the water level,
pitch to a 45 degree,

and then descended
rapidly towards the water.

So first responders were
the Royal Canadian Mount of
Police.

They actually
commandeered two boats

'cause this is a
small fishing village

and they went out there.

It only happened maybe two
or 300 yards off the coast

or off the shore.

They went out to have a look.

By then the craft
had disappeared

but there was a residue of
like a yellow foam almost.

- [Darcy] Yeah, just on top.

- Yeah, like a sulfuric smell.

So some witnesses said
that they saw the craft on the
water.

It was almost like a
glowing dome of light

for a period of time.

It didn't make any noise
or anything like that.

Subsequently, there were
searches done the next day.

In fact, even the Air
Force, the strategic air command

did a grid search of it,
navy divers did a search.

And some of these navy
divers even spoke years

after the fact

and said that, yeah,
they saw craft underwater

and they even saw what
looked like a second craft.

- [Darcy] But this also
was, you know, fully surveilled

and investigated by
the American Navy

and the American Air Force.

You were saying that,

so can you give some
context to some people like

why that's significant?

- Well, I mean this
is Cold War era too.

And in the world of NATO, Canada

and the United States have
a very close relationship.

There was a US base
not far away from this.

It was on Canadian ground,

but it was manned
by the Americans.

So whether they thought

this was Cold War related
spy submarine, who knows?

But essentially that's
where all the alert came from,
right?

And this is a small town.

Fishermen are known to
be very honest people.

It's not very
often they're gonna

make something up like this.

And in fact, nobody even
reported, quote unquote a UFO.

Many people thought it
was a crashed airplane

or some other type of lights.

It was only when the
locals were speaking with the
police

that responded that they
kind of hung that UFO tag

and said, yeah, we
think it's something

from outer space, further
adding to that allure

of what the heck
happened, right?

- So that was Shag Harbor.

And from what I hear,
in terms of people

that have investigated
this story

of a ocean-based UFO
sighting, am I correct

in assuming that there was
a dive rescue team sent

after this craft?

- That's right. There
was a dive rescue team.

Some of them reported to see

what looked like almost
arc welding underwater.

I don't know if that was
some kind of a repair, who
knows.

But the craziest
thing, even more

so than that, was the
divers reported they saw
non-human

intelligence in the
water, you know,

in the shape of beings,
non-human beings.

- [Darcy] Very interesting.

And so the Navy divers
were a bit spooked

when they came up
from the ocean.

- Sure.

And think about it,
these guys are used

to pulling up dead
bodies sometimes.

I mean, being a navy diver
can be not such a nice thing.

So they're conditioned,
they're seasoned,

they're not faint of
heart kind of people

and so for these people
to be rattled based

on what they saw, that
kind of speaks to the uniqueness

of it and the
severity of, you know,

what is actually going on.

- [Darcy] And so this case
that happened in 1960,

how did that go down?

- So as far as I know, it
was roughly the same thing.

There's not a lot of
documentation on it.

It's called the
Shelburne incident.

But essentially it
was from the work

of a Canadian ufologist
named Chris Styles

who really did a lot
of work on Shag Harbor.

And then while
interviewing people about that
event,

when he asked them like,
what year was this?

Their mind was a
little foggy at first,

but they clearly knew
it was before '67.

So this was a separate
incident, again

with very, very similar effects

and similar witness
testimony and all the rest.

- [Chris] On October
the 12th, 1960,

seven years before Shag Harbor

and eight Canadian
warships under Canadian command.

It was a NATO mission and
two USOs on the bottom.

And you know, I had the
ship's logs and that

and it's a genuine
case and you know,

there was some minor
recovery of some of the debris
in it.

There was a confrontation.

And here's the real
controversial part.

The book's just been
released, is that, believe it

or not, something
that's supposedly

has never happened in history,

I proved it's happened.

We went to DEFCON
1 over the incident

and there's no doubt about it.

I have the ship's log
from HMCS Cape Scott.

The terrible irony of
this, my father served

on the mission, I had no idea.

He took it to the grave.

But the DEFCON 1
thing was really weird

'cause you know, if you
look it up on Wikipedia

or of course something
more scholarly than that,

they would say no, you
know, the system has never gone

to DEFCON 1.

Well, that is not true.

It did over the Shelburne
incident. (laughs)

While it was encountering
the aliens, what happened next?

I actually don't know, I
don't have all the answers.

But it took me 29 years
to come up with this.

Like all with Shag Harbor,
I never stopped looking

and I don't have it all yet.

You know, as the
book ends, it says,

if you think you smell a sequel,

that will depend on the
further research results.

What we do know is that
when they got there

and they went down, you
know, when the divers, you know,

when they describe at the
start of the mission, you know,

we were this far into
going through a dog lake course

of minesweepers and that
like on this exercise

and then they
encountered them, right?

And, you know, they very
quickly hauled the divers

to the surface and the
ship declares DEFCON 1.

The Cape Scott was the
command vessel of the mission

'cause we were in Canadian
waters, just about two

or three nautical miles off

of McNutts Island at the
entrance to Shelburne Harbor.

- I have another blood red
orange ball sphere story

from another US
aircraft carrier.

The USS John F. Kennedy.

And this one, we have an
exact date for, July 2nd, 1971.

And this was from another
member aboard the ship

who writes in after the fact.

You know, I looked
into the history

of the USS John F. Kennedy

and this event is
not listed there

that I'm about to tell you,

but I believe it
definitely happened.

He described that the ship
had been in the Caribbean doing

what are called car quals,
carrier qualification exercises.

And this is a standard
thing that you get on carriers

where they test the
pilots, you know,

how like react, you
know, your take off time

and all of the things
that you had to do

to be like good, like
"Top Gun" type stuff

and so that's car quals.

So they were doing
that in the Caribbean.

And they were then
done with that.

They had successfully
completed it.

They had just completed it.

They go up through the
Caribbean between, I'm thinking

between Dominican
Republic and Cuba.

I think through
there, through Haiti,

and they're now in
the Bermuda Triangle.

They're just into
the Bermuda Triangle.

This guy who wrote
in, was in charge

of all the communications
on the ship

and he described them
in a lot of details.

So they had four
communication signal devices

for receiving, four
for sending out

and there were other ship
to ship type systems.

1971 was a very
sophisticated comm system

that he was operating.

He said suddenly all
the communication

started typing gibberish,
nonsensical information.

And he's like, what the heck?

And then everything
was just nonsensical.

And then he's on the
intercom and said he

and a fellow crew mate
are hearing someone

screaming on the intercom,

"It's God, it's the
end of the world."

So like, okay, what's
happening here?

And then they hear
again over the intercom,

something is hovering
over the ship.

So at this point,
he gets outside

to look physically
to see what this is.

And he said, "Me and
the guy I was with,

we see this blood
red orange sphere

basically right
over our ship."

That this thing which had shut

down all their communications.

This is a US aircraft
carrier. This is heavy duty.

Billions of dollars
going into this thing.

This is the leading edge

of the United States
defense system.

I mean, what's more
important than the aircraft
carriers,

especially in like 1971?

They got nukes,
they got aircraft.

This is their forward
projection of power around the
world.

You don't mess with a
United States aircraft carrier

but this thing completely
disabled their communication.

In fact, they wanted,

just like in the case of the FDR

from the 1950s, they attempted

to launch two F-4 phantom
fighter jets, would not launch.

Dunno why, but they would
not. Nothing worked.

He was able to see this
thing for about 20 seconds, he
said

and then the ship went to
general quarters battle
stations.

So he'd go back
to his comm center

and so he didn't get to
see it more any longer.

The ship was on battle
stations for one hour,

and during which time he
said, no communications went in

or out of the carrier.

That should mean that's
just extraordinary.

You're on general
quarters battle stations

with this thing over
your ship in the ocean

and you can't even communicate.

They will enter
and exit the water

without even water
dripping from them,

without making a big splash

but other times they do.

The USO researcher, Carl
Feindt actually had a lot

of theories about this.

And he believed that

when the craft is
generating its field, we'll just
leave it

at that, it will
cost a certain amount

of displacement of
the water around it,

which will mitigate a lot
of this splashing effect.

You know, there are
a lot of USO cases

where the object
is under the water

and you'll see a bubbling
of the water above it.

And it's like this field

of this thing is
pushing this water off.

- I've had experiences
I can't explain.

I've had encounters

that I know are probably
not of the earth

but what do you do?

How do you work those
into your daily life?

You try to find the
science that could explain them.

That's for me, and
I think I have.

I just don't think we can
do it yet, but we're on the
cusp.

We actually have
done technologies

that are leading to this
and from separate angles.

- Yep, you're talking
about the propulsion system

and I think you said
like the gravitons.

- Graviton, that's right.

The KK, the
Kaluza-Klein particle.

If you look up
Kaluza-Klein, and the next word
is CERN.

You're gonna get
all these papers

that CERN has put out
about the Kaluza-Klein particle,

and they're building
on an accelerator just

to investigate, well, in part,

to investigate
these KK particles.

So we're getting there.

On the other end, we've
got Lawrence Livermore,

totally separate organization.

It's now retained the
single most sought

after holy grail of fusion

and that's to create a
stable, sustainable reaction.

They did that with fusion.

Now it's not
exactly sustainable.

They had to put an energy

and arguably more energy
than they got out.

However, it was a
major breakthrough.

So those Kaluza-Klein
particles, you have to create,
right?

And I think UFOs are round
because they're accelerators.

Seems straightforward, you know.

And the triangular ones
are also accelerators

with the ring inside.

So I think that they figured out

how to make the micro
black holes to surround the ship

and actually punch out
of our four dimensions

and punch in wherever they want.

And if you do it
successively, you can go on a
straight line

or you can go zigzag, okay?

You can do anything you want.

So what we're not
used to is the fact

that they're doing this
punch in, punch out so rapidly,

but they're not
feeling anything.

To them, the scenery
just changes instantly.

They don't know and
they're not subject to water r
air.

So when it looks like
they're moving thousands

of miles an hour
through the air,

well they really aren't
moving through the air,

they're appearing at
various points close

to each other in the air.

So they're punching out

and then punching in,
punching out and punching in.

And so they're the best
cartographers in the universe

'cause they know all the
exit and entry points.

We're seeing that the stuff

that they're reporting
are all things

that are within the realm
of the KK world we talked about,

the Kaluza-Klein particle world,

the Kaluza-Klein
methodology for propulsion.

It's all well within that realm.

And a spacecraft that's
at 80,000 feet up here,

and it comes down to the deck,

is it actually
traveling 80,000 feet?

My contention is that it's not.

It's actually
punching out up here-

- Punching in.
- And punching in

at lower levels, okay?

And maybe if you see it here,

and then see it here,

then see it here,
and then see it here

and then finally here.

On your radar, you're
gonna see a path

and you're gonna say,
look, what from here to here

in a quarter of a second
or second and a half.

And then you'll do a
calculation for its speed

and come up with some
outrageous speed.

But it's not traveling
at any speed.

It's not moving at
any speed at all.

The occupants
don't even feel it.

- And similarly, when
the object comes down

to the water, it will
create like a well.

- And separate the water?
- Yes.

- [Darcy] Like part
the sea like Moses.

- Yes, actually, yes.
Kind of like that.

In fact, there was one case

where you can really
see this effect.

I can just bounce around.
- Yeah, go for it.

- From 1974 in the country
of Togo, so that's West Africa.

But you know, Africa
goes all the way down

and it's got this big hump.

So on the southern
part of that hump

of West Africa, the nation
of Togo, this little thin strip

and it's got a little
bit of coastline there,

but it's got some coastline.

So in 1974, there
was a French tourist,

and he's apparently having
a nice romantic evening

with a local woman of Togo.

It's late at night,
they're on the beach.

- [Darcy] The French
are like that.

- Absolutely and so
they're having their time,

but an object comes
in from the water.

The object created a dip
in the water, they said.

Again, this is something

that Carl Feindt was
quite interested in,

but creates this
dip in the water

and it actually caused a
kind of mini tidal wave

to come at them.

It displaced enough water

that the water just
came right at them.

And he said, we had to
grab onto one of the trees.

- [Darcy] Wow.

- It was actually that intense.

This object stayed in the area

for quite a while, I
think more than 10 minutes

and it then departed,

but it scared the
living hell out of them.

- [Darcy] I can imagine.
- Undoubtedly.

We have a very well
documented case

from the United
States Coast Guard

from March 4th,
1988 on Lake Erie.

And this was interesting.

You had eyewitnesses
along the lake there.

In Ohio, there's a
nuclear facility there.

I think it's the
Perry Nuclear Plant.

And so there were witnesses

that were seeing this
unusual light phenomenon

over the lake.

This got written
up in newspapers

and there was an official
Coast Guard document

describing this all.

But anyway, this one
family is very interested

and they're watching
this at the lake.

They end up calling
a number of places.

They end up getting
the Coast Guard.

Coast Guard sends two
Coast Guard personnel

who are witnessing
this with the family

and they write up a report.

So what they're seeing is

over this frozen lake,
it's still very cold,

this object, this big
object is like sitting

on the frozen lake and
they're hearing this cracking
sound

and all this crazy
stuff going on.

It's just blowing their minds.

And out of this big,
huge object comes

at one point a number of
smaller objects zipping around.

And in fact, one man
photographed these objects.

They were like these
little triangular lights.

And I have a photograph.

It's been out there.

And so they're zipping
around the area.

The objects eventually
go back into the craft.

And it gets dark,
the action ends,

the Coast Guard guys
write up their report.

And one of the things
that came out of this,

that this object the next
morning was not visible,

but the area where
it had been was all,

that area was melted.

And the belief is that
it went into the lake,

went into the water,
which there's quite a few

of these cases where
these objects are going

into not just oceans,
but large lakes

and sometimes even
small bodies of water.

But in this case, the Lake
Erie incident, March 4th, 1988.

This was very well reported.

And we do have this one
United States Coast Guard
document

that does describe the
event in a fair amount of
detail.

(all chattering)

- [Person] You got it
on the wrong thing.

- Oh my God. This is awesome.
- People wanna take a look.

- [Person] I got it.
That's a UFO, no shit.

(people chattering)

- [Person 2] You wanna
look at this one,

look through there for a minute?

- Yeah.
- Here.

Here, here, here, here.
Holy fuck, it's coming close.

Good picture, Kevin.

- Okay.
- Are you filming?

(people chattering)

- [Presenter] Describing
it like a 40 foot long Tic-Tac

maneuvering rapidly
and changing direction.

- [Pilot] As we both
looked out the right side

of our airplane, we saw a
disturbance in the water

and a white object
oblong pointing north.

- [Presenter] The object
was first cited in 2004.

Then similar objects,
again in 2015.

Footage of the
sightings declassified

by the military
weren't made public

until December, 2017
by the New York Times

and a group that
researches UFOs.

- Yeah, the Tic-Tac case.

There are certain details

that we still don't
have about it.

It's a great case on
many levels in terms

of the amount of
information we have, the date,

the exact locations pretty
well, you know, understood now.

November 14th, 2004.

And many, many
witnesses have come out.

So it's been discussed.

We kind of know
this thing happened.

Too much witness
testimony here to ignore,

but there are still
some disputes.

So what was below the water?

You've got Fravor's team,
two Super Hornets vectored in.

As we know, he sees it first.

He goes down, he sees
this white Tic-Tac object

about 40 feet in length.

It's above the water.

And in fact, you know,
as he's described it,

he said, well, I didn't
know if it was on the water

or above the water,
the water was frothing.

But I think the implication of

that was just above the water.

But then, yes,
there's this statement

of something else
below the Tic-Tac

and much larger from what
appears to be the case.

What the heck was that?
Well, that's interesting indeed.

You know, Fravor comes
down to engage the Tic-Tac.

And as he said, many times
people have reported many times,

that he's circling like this

and the Tic-Tac's circling

in an opposite
direction toward him.

And then the Tic-Tac
just goes off like this.

He said he had a
perfect field of vision,

minimum 10 miles, easy,

but he said realistically,
almost close to 50 miles.

And he said within two
seconds that thing was out of
sight.

Like he could not see it.

And if you take even the
conservative estimate

of his vision, 10 miles,
he's still talking probably

over 10,000 miles per
hour saying, just gone.

It's just instant like
that so it's incredible.

But the underwater object,

there's not a whole lot
that's discussed about this.

Like, what would this thing do?

I'm gonna take a guess
that it just went

(imitating whooshing)
below and just took off.

And these things can move
fast, real fast under the water.

- [Darcy] So, you know,
one could even just based

on the story and how
everybody focuses

on the object, the Tic-Tac
that was in the air, you know,

and the media, let's say,
or UFO investigators focus

on that, but also the pilots.

So you can almost say
that mission accomplished,

whatever the Tic-Tac's
mission might've been was,

okay, now I've gotta take
the attention off of what's
here.

I'm gonna go up
in the air confuse

and distract the pilots
and then shoot off.

- Okay. That's a
heck of a theory.

That's a really
interesting idea.

- [Darcy] Right?

- I hadn't thought of that

but I think what, what you're

at least suggesting here
makes a lot of sense.

There's this major USO
object under the water,

and you got the Tic-Tac.

That's like the distract,
that's like, you know,

when you have the dog
racing, they're chasing the
bunny?

- [Darcy] Yeah.
It's like, hey guys.

- [Richard] That's what
the Tic-Tac was. Just go after
that.

- [Darcy] Yeah.

- It was very similar to
what Jeremy publicized

from 2019 and 2020,
like the drone swarm.

And I don't have it in
front of me, I'm gonna have

to give you this information,

but it's, I think
from about 2007,

and it was written into,
I think it was written

into George Filer's
Filer's File website.

And he's describing
their activity

off the southern
California coast,

off the coast of San Diego.

It's very similar to what
you we're currently getting.

And he just said, late
at night, "We had a swarm

of objects over our ship.

We were completely unable
to deal with this."

He said, "They came in

and they did all of these
incredible maneuvers.

Like one was almost like
a check mark maneuver,

like a sharp angle
maneuver over the ship.

We were absolutely
helpless."

He said, I spoke
to the commander

or the captain who said to me

at that time, my computer
system was not working.

It stopped working.

And this guy just
wrote anonymously

to George Filer's
website at that time.

It's a 2007 case and I'm
gonna give you visuals

that he could,

I'll give it to
you. it's good.

- [Darcy] It's
important to remember

these objects have mastery
in navigating our atmosphere

as well as our oceans.

My next stop was with
friends Anthony Esemplare

and Andy Marcial to
discuss their involvement

with researching recently
recorded UFO videos

from the Department
of Homeland Security.

- Andy. Welcome, good
to have you here.

Thanks for meeting up.
- Thank you. No problem.

- So what got you started
with the whole UAP phenomenon

and New York UAP discussion?

I'm anxious to know.

- Well, it all started
with a personal experience

of mine when I was younger.

And basically what
happened with me kind of gote

to dive into the subject
to try and figure out exactly

what it was that I saw,
what I experienced.

And eventually
throughout the years,

I started getting
a little frustrated

with all the
misinformation that was being
put out there

and decided to do
something about it and created
my page

and that's basically where
it all started from after that.

- And what are your
thoughts on the USO situation?

I mean, I film here nightly

and it's almost every
night you catch something

that you can't explain.

And I'm using data
that shows you tracking

for satellites, tracking
for unmanned aerial vehicles,

the International Space
Station, Elon Musk projects.

And it's none of the above

when I searched some
of these crafts.

So it's either top secret
covert military projects,

or it's extraterrestrial
in origin.

What are your thoughts?

- Well, from research, I
know that this is something

that goes back thousands
of years, you know,

so it's not like anything
could just be attributed

to Russia or China,
you know what I mean?

Like, you have to,

if you're gonna
research this, you have

to research it correctly
and go back to the beginning.

You can't just cherry pick

and decide to, oh, I
wanna start from here.

No, you gotta go back
to the beginning.

So there are things
up there that,

you know, we've been
seeing for thousands of years

that, you know, we
attributed to religion, you
know,

in the past and we
attributed to things

that, you know, we
just didn't understand

and we're still seeing
them to this day.

We're just getting a
little more understanding

and we're starting to see

that, you know,
this is a phenomenon

that's been around now
for quite some time.

And I feel like we just need

to start taking it a
little more serious

to get a real
understanding of what it is

that we're dealing
with, basically.

- And by the way, there's
a lot of USO cases

of these perfect, like
orange red spheres, perfect.

I think one of the
earliest great ones

that I came across
was from 1825.

- [Darcy] Wow.

- In the Pacific, not
off the coast of Hawaii,

but out in the ocean.

It's a British ship.

Think of the old, you
know, wooden ships with the
sails.

- [Darcy] A Man-of-war
or something.

- [Richard] Yeah,
it's a British ship

and aboard this ship was a
naturalist named Andrew Bloxam.

- [Darcy] Gotta always
have those, right?

- [Richard] Yes.

- [Darcy] Darwin, whatever.

- Absolutely.
That's right.

Master and commander,
they had their naturalist.

So this was a naturalist, 1825.

And in fact, we have the data.

I can probably get it to you.

If you wanna look at it,
I've got it on my computer here.

But he said, 3:30 a.m.,
we're in August of 1825.

So imagine it's 3:30 a.m.,

you're in the ship
in the Pacific.

It's gotta be just
black all around.

Are you getting me?

I don't know what the
moon was on that night.

So maybe there might have
been a little bit moonlight,

but not much going on there.

And he said, out of
nowhere, the watch reported this

bright orange red object.

He said the color
of a cannon shot

so like an orangey red
type thing comes up out

of the water and actually
came up outta the water,

went down into the water,
came up a second time,

and then went down
into the water again.

He said it was so bright
you could have picked

up a pin off the
floor of the deck.

- [Darcy] Wow.
So the mini sun.

- Yes, it was. He said
it was extremely bright.

And so when I read
that report, that's one

of the earliest really
excellent USO reports

that when I read it, I
think, I believe this

because his description
is very, very factual.

He's not trying to connect
this to prodigies in the sky

and signs, which is what
you get in the ancient times.

- [Darcy] Right. Spirits.

- Yeah and like this means that,

and that kind of
thing was very common

with ancient UFO sightings.

And we don't really
know what those most

of those things were, frankly.

But in this case, I think
Bloxam was very specific.

He was very technical, very,

I would almost say
scientific about it.

- Matter of fact.
- Matter of fact, exactly.

But it's this blood red
orangy ball, this sphere.

- I'm sure you've come to
draw your own conclusions.

I know I have.

Why do you think
that the water is

so important to these crafts?

What's it about our oceans
that attract them to it?

- Personally, I believe
that they reside in our oceans.

I believe that they have bases

or underground
facilities that, I mean,

if you're trying to
stay away from us,

but also stay on this
planet, then the best place to
go to

where they're not
gonna interfere with us

or we're not gonna
interfere with them, would be
the oceans

'cause we still, even today

in 2023, we don't have
the technology like that

to traverse the waters.

In any real, like,
meaningful way, it still takes
us forever

to do anything in the water.

So that's a perfect
location to be in if you're
trying

to keep a specific
distance or a certain distance
from us.

And I feel that they call
the ocean their home,

or at least whatever species is

down there, calls it their home.

- Do you feel at some
point, maybe marine biologists

or oceanographers, they're
gonna actually spot something

under the water at some
time and we're gonna be led

to find out that there
really is an actual base

under the water not too far off?

- Well, that's happened already.

As a matter of fact,
I've seen video

of, I believe it's
Discovery Channel, I believet
was,

underwater photographers
that spoke about these things.

And shortly after they
made these mentions,

the videos were removed.

And I found that
kind of interesting

because he specifically stated

that the creatures he had
come into contact with,

or the things they had come

into contact with
were almost like,

they weren't anything
from this planet.

It seemed more like
it came from elsewhere

and it showed like a
level of intelligence.

And I found that interesting.

But there's tons of
stories, there's tons of
accounts

of things that have
been seen in the oceans

that you can't attribute
it with, you know, normal
biology.

Like it's definitely
something that's down there

that, you know, is, I don't know

how else you could say it
is, it's not part of us.

You know what I mean?

Like it's either
came from somewhere

or has been here longer than us

and it just wants to keep
its distance from us.

- Extraterrestrial
in origin, yeah.

You know, I wonder what
kind of technology they're using

'cause they definitely
cloaking the craft in some way

because I've watched very
vibrant, brilliant lit orb craft

a couple thousand feet in
the atmosphere, fly over, hit it

with a laser point, and
all of a sudden it starts

to fade out and just disappear.

Matter of fact,
year and a half ago,

I filmed an orange object

over the ocean right here
by Fort Earle Naval Station.

The only strange thing
was three hours prior,

SpaceX had a launch, three
hours prior in Florida.

Now we were in New York.

You couldn't see Florida
if you wanted to,

or a SpaceX launch from
Florida if you wanted to.

And I have no idea what
this orange craft was

that went up in the sky.

It had the characteristics
of a launch,

but it kind of looked
like that cone shape

with the bowl on top but
it just sat there silently.

And the strangest part
about the whole thing was

without night vision, you
couldn't physically see it

with the naked eye.

It was not observable
to the human eye.

But once you put the night
vision on it, it was there

and it just sat in the sky

and you actually see these
little orbs releasing

from it into the water.

No sound, no, nothing,

it was the strangest
thing I ever seen.

But like I was saying,

being that Fort Earle
Naval Station's right there,

could the military be
maybe testing craft

that they've retrieved,
crash retrieval craft

and putting them up and
testing them at the base

and then dropping
them back down cloaked

so we don't really
see what's going on?

We're only getting a
glimpse into that world.

- I mean yeah, especially
now with all the information

that's been coming out
with whistleblowers.

And if you go back, you
know, researching old documents

with, you know, CIA
and all the information

that has leaked in the
sense, quote unquote, it shows
you

that they've been reverse
engineering this stuff.

I mean, going back to
the times of Hitler.

We all know that Hitler
was very much interested into
this

and now also with the
whole 1933 Italy incident

that now that's been found
to have been, you know, true.

It did happen. A
craft did crash there.

So if that was documented then,

and Hitler was interested
in researching anti-gravity,

and then after the war, we
enacted Project Paperclip

to get these scientists
to come over.

I mean, there's no
doubt in my mind

that we've already
accomplished that.

We've already created
that technology

and more than likely
have perfected it

and testing it in
various different ways

but it still doesn't
explain the other sightings

that just have no explanation.

You know what I'm saying?
- Sure.

- Like things that you
just can't attribute to military

because it's been
happening for far longer

than military has had that
access to that technology.

- I do not know what that is.

What?

I do not know what
this anomaly is.

Unbelievable. It
is just there.

So let me ask you this.

I'm an experience in
myself, had an encounter back

in 1993, changed my life.

But since Congress
has come forward

and our naval aviators
are coming forward now

with information plus all the

whistleblower testimony
that's coming.

In a couple weeks,
we're gonna have

more whistleblower
testimony coming.

Do you feel somewhat
vindicated now in your research?

- It's funny you mentioned 1993,

because that's when I
had my close encounter.

- Really?
- In Long Island. Yes.

- Wow.
- Believe it or not.

So that's interesting.

But yeah, with everything
going on, absolutely.

It's huge vindication
because for

how many years have they
been calling us kooks

and tinfoil high wearing,
you know, weirdos.

And didn't even like,
like fear saying it

in public, you
know, ridiculing us

and now they come
forward and talk about it

and admit it like it's nothing.

It's like, really?

So yeah, it's vindication
and also it gets you angry

because it's like, you
know, you guys have been lying

to us and you knew
you were lying to us.

And now you're coming
forward this way

and not even an apology
to everybody that you,

lives you ruined and
you know, the ridicule

that you've made people
go through and experience.

So yeah, it's-

- Nevermind the
friendship's lost, the family's
members

telling you that you're crazy

and you don't know what
you're talking about.

- Lives lost.
- Inside, you know,

the whole time, I
know what I seen.

I know it was not, you
know, from this world.

I know I'm right and one
day I'm gonna be vindicated.

And here we are today in
2023, we're about to be
vindicated.

I mean, these are
dynamite times.

Talk a little bit about
the rubber duck footage

that you had captured that time

'cause that was
pretty fascinating.

- I mean, if you want
I have, we could go

and see the videos themselves

and we could talk
about them if you want.

- Hey man, how are you?
- Good, man.

- Thanks for coming back.
- No problem, man.

- Let's talk about your videos.

Let's chat about your
experience with this UAP footage

that's become pretty
famous recently.

- Infamous.

- [Darcy] Hey, some people
can call infamous, right?

But I'm sure you've got a
bit of emotion attached to it

because of the fact that
you went through an ordeal

with releasing it, right?

- Yeah.

- [Darcy] So how did you come

across this rubber
duck UAP video?

- Well, it was actually
through my Instagram channel.

I was reached out
by an individual

who originally had
taken cell phone footage

from his computer
screen at his office.

And basically, you
know, reached out

and told me, "I think,
you know, I have something

I think you're gonna
find very interesting."

And he was like,
"Take a look at this

and tell me
what you think."

So I opened it up and
I instantly realized

that, you know, okay,
well, I'm seeing something
legitimate.

Like I already know the
layout of FLIR and everything

so I'm like, all right,
this is new, this is interesting

'cause the first video
that he sent me was the A-10.

I'm not sure if
you've seen that one,

but it's the A-10 Warthog
where it shows an object comg
in

to view and actually
following the A-10.

And once I saw that,
I got very interested

and told him, you
know, what is this?

Who are you?

And asked him all sorts
of questions trying

to verify who this
individual was

and how he got this footage.

And he told me he was
a border patrol agent.

And that, you know,
this footage has been

in their possession
now for a long time

and it's been in a folder

where they keep all
these anomalous objects

and nobody, you
know, could explain

or understand what it was.

And they would kind of
just show it, you know,

to people in the office to try

and get their, you know,
reactions to what it could be

or, you know, try and
get an understanding

of what the object
in the footage was.

He mentioned to me that
there was more than one video

and after some persuasion
was able to get him

to actually send me
the original files

and that's where the
rubber duck was included

in those files that he sent me.

And I kind of realized
at that moment

that, okay, I got my hands
on something pretty remarkable

'cause I've been
researching this for years

and I've never seen
anything legitimate like

that coming from a, I
would say government

or military source in its
entirety, in its original format

with, you know, nobody,
you know, like, cutting into it

or removing anything, it's
all unedited raw footage.

So that's when I was like,

okay, I just landed
something pretty big.

At least that's
what I was thinking

because of, you know,
my line of research.

Never seen it before

and all of a sudden
I got it in my hands.

I'm like, holy crap,
you know, like,

what do I do with this?

And basically that's
how it started

and where, you know,
took off from there.

- [Darcy] So what happened next?

You posted on
Instagram or YouTube

and then people started
scrutinizing the video?

- No, actually I didn't.

I first released the cell
phone recording of the A-10.

That was the very first
one that he had sent me

and, you know, I got
permission from him to share
that.

Once I got the other
videos, the rubber duck one,

I didn't release to anyone

because it was the
most significant one.

It was a total of two
clips that totaled 60 minutes,

if I'm not mistaken,
60 minutes total

and 40 full minutes
of the object

in question, the anomalous
object, which is unheard of.

I've never seen any
video out there coming

from a source like this
that was that long.

You know, usually, for
example, like Tic-Tac

or whatever is a few
seconds and that's it, you know.

So I realized, okay,
I have to do something

with this footage and not
just throw it out there.

Like I want to go through
the correct avenues

to actually get this
properly analyzed

before I put it out there,
because this is important.

I knew that this was
something that really needed

to be put in the hands
of people that were going

to take it serious
and analyze it

for real 'cause
of its importance.

And that's when I had
gotten in contact with an
individual

at the SCU, the Scientific
Coalition for UAP studies named

Peter Reali and sent him
the footage, introduced him

to the source, which
wanted to remain anonymous.

But through them,
you know, I was able

to convince him to
verify who he was

and show them all the
information they needed

to see in order to verify
that yes, the source is

who says he is, and
we're getting this

from an authentic individual

in Department of
Homeland Security.

- [Darcy] Why does the
object look like it's two
objects

at certain times?

Like a little ball and
then like this kind

of like bell underneath it.

- [Andy] It's 'cause it
actually is two objects,

but the analysis showed

that the bottom is
separate from the top.

So somehow it's one
object, but there's no-

- [Darcy] Working together.

- [Andy] Yeah, it's almost
like working together

because they weren't
able to find any evidence

of anything that was
attaching the two together.

So you have a larger and
then a smaller orb at the top

and as you could see
they're working together

'cause they rotate
as they're moving.

- [Darcy] So what is
it about this video

that, you know,
through your research

and speaking to
specialists that have analyzed
it,

what sticks out right away

that makes it, you
know, a home run?

- Well, number one is the fact

that these guys are
trained observers.

Their job is to observe.

Their job is literally
for surveillance.

So that they're out
there every single day

and night looking for things,

smugglers, you know,
illegal aliens.

Not those kind of aliens
but the other aliens.

- [Darcy] Narcos.
- Yeah, all that.

For them to see something

and not be able to
identify it is a big deal

because their job
is to identify.

That is literally what
they're there to do, you
understand?

So if they're seeing
something that catches their
attention

and they have no
explanation for it, I mean,

for god's sakes, this guy
filmed this for 40 minutes.

Why would you film
something for 40 minutes

if you knew it was a balloon?

So right there, where
you're looking at on the film,

yeah, I mean I can say it
now because it's out there,

but the plane is actually
not over US soil.

It was actually over Mexican.

The reason why they
stopped filming was

because these planes are
loaned out for a certain amount

of time and that timeframe
was coming to an end

so that's the reason

why they ended up
abandoning the object

because they had to go back to-

- [Darcy] Refuel.

- [Andy] Yeah or to, you
know, loan the plane out

to whoever else that was
gonna get it next or whatever

but their time with
the plane was over,

which is why the footage ended.

But at that time,
the object was still

traveling in its direction.

They just abandoned the
footage because of that.

- [Darcy] Was it
circling the same area?

- No, the object was
actually traveling in a linear
fashion.

- [Darcy] And so they
obviously thought it was like a

narco craft or
something at first.

That's why they were
interested in it.

- Well, at first the
way the object appeared,

where they were
panning the landscape

and then all of a sudden
it came into view, it flew

into view and that's what
caught their attention.

But one thing I wanna
mention is that this was filmed

in black hot mode, which means

that the object you're looking

at is actually emitting
no heat whatsoever.

So that's another thing

that caught their
attention is the fact

that this thing is in
flight and it's moving, orbiting

and it's emitting zero heat.

There's no indication that
this has any kind of propellers,

or propulsion or anything.

That was another reason

why they were, you know,
perplexed at what it was,

because this thing is
moving with no signs

of any kind of
propulsion whatsoever.

- [Darcy] And it
couldn't be a balloon

because it's going against
the wind or something like that.

- No, so it couldn't
be a balloon

because I actually know an
individual named David Falch

who's a 20 plus
year FLIR expert.

He works on them
and repairs them.

He did experiments
with different types

of balloons under FLIR to show

what they look like, identify,

and basically assist in
the debunking of that theory.

And due to those
experiments, they were able

to confirm and come
to the conclusion

that there was no
balloon, this had nothing

to do with balloons.

There was no latex
balloon attached

to a string like a
certain individual

I'm not gonna name
was mentioning.

For example, they were saying

it was parachute dropping drugs.

Okay, so did you recover
it? Why didn't they recover it?

You know, if it was that
easily identifiable,

this would not be shown to
all agents in the office

as an anomalous trying
to figure out what it was

'cause they would've
already known.

They would've been able
to identify when they went

and picked up the package
from the ground after it
dropped.

But this thing stood where
it was at without dropping.

It did not lower in elevation.

It stood literally
where it was traveling

at the speed it was traveling.

So I mean, it's clear as day

that there is nothing
about the object

that is legitimately explainable

where you could say,
yes, this was a drone,

or yes, this was a
balloon, or yes, this was th.

It's none of those things

but because you just can't
satisfy everyone, this is

why I say, no matter

how good the evidence
is, someone's going

to tell you it's a balloon,

someone's gonna tell
you it's a bird.

You know, that was the
route I took because I
understood

that what I had was important

and that it needed to
be properly analyzed

before being put out there

so that way there was
no, well, at least

what I thought was there
was gonna be no scrutiny.

And, you know, you have
some scientific backing to it

to avoid all the trolls
and all that negativity

but unfortunately it
didn't turn out that way.

- [Darcy] That's
just the community.

- [Andy] Yeah.

- [Darcy] It's the
nature of the community.

- [Andy] I know.

- [Darcy] So then once
SCU, this individual took the
proper

time to analyze it and
say, okay, this is not a bug,

it's not a bird, it's not
a balloon, you release it

to YouTube and it accumulates

around like 300,000 plus views.

- Yeah, actually the first
time anything I ever put

out went viral, like
legitimately went viral.

I had people from all over
the world messaging me.

Matter of fact, I even had
Robert Salas reach out to me

and thank me for
releasing the videos

and you know, I mean some
very high individuals reaching
out

to me, telling me,
thank you and privately.

But then I had
unfortunately more negativity
than positivity

because unfortunately,
you know, it's just like

when it comes to this
subject, no amount of proof
whether

how authentic or genuine
it is is ever good enough

for anybody, you know.

- [Darcy] Especially
the debunkers.

- Especially the debunkers.

And, you know, they wanna
see, you know, ET mooning you

through the window of the UFO

in order for them to say,
oh, that's real, you know.

But what they
don't understand is

that's not what they're
gonna get, you understand,

especially not in this manner.

This is the best that's
come out in my opinion so far

since all of this started,
you know, becoming mainstream.

You know, there's no other
video out there still to this
day

that's come out in its
entirety in this way.

You have the Tic-Tac,
which just shows a spot in the
screen

and people speaking and,
you know, the pilot speaking.

The GoFast, which is
another dot moving

and the pilot speaking,
nothing really crazy, you know.

- Very under the radar
release of some videos

and documents with
no explanation.

All of a sudden Customs
and Border Patrol has released
10

videos from what looks
like forward-looking infrared
cameras

from different incidents
and an odd 380 some pages

of reports, news
clippings and email.

- What you're looking
at is anomalous.

It's not something of ours.

It's not some kind of
technology that we have

that is actually exotic.

It's, you know, a UFO, a
real legitimate object, you
know.

- [Darcy] Possibly non-human.
- Positive non-human, yes.

- Do you think, you know,
we're gonna go a little bit

farfetched now, and I know
that you're very professional

and you're trying to keep
within the information

that you know of,
you don't want to-

- [Andy] Speculate.

- Go crazy with
speculation, right?

But just a little bit

of healthy speculation,
you know, is warranted I'd say.

Do you think that it's possible

that these objects,
these drone like spheres

or Tic-Tac UFOs
might be originating

from an ocean based object

or structure that's
maybe deep ocean?

- Right, so this is
exactly a possibility.

After hearing what Dave
Grusch has come out with

and the observations of
Ryan Graves at the hearing

as well as David Fravor,
we really can't rule anything
out.

Of course, there's no
proof right now of that,

but they're coming
from somewhere

that we don't know how
they're doing what they're doing

and we don't know
their intentions.

So all I can say is this
deserves significant amount

of study of our oceans

and that that's what
I'm pursuing right now.

- Great. Why don't you
talk about that then?

Tell me a bit about
your study of the ocean.

I mean, you worked
for NOAA as well.

You're chief meteorologist

for the Navy during
these times of exercise

where they saw UAP
over the oceans.

What are you pursuing
right now in terms of trying

to, you know,
solve this mystery?

- So a couple things.

First off, I was the
chief oceanographer

of the US Navy also,
and I have a PhD

in oceanography from
Scripps Institution of
Oceanography.

So this is my career,
studying the oceans.

And so before I get to
that answer, let me go back

to your previous question about

under sea infrastructure,
if you want to call it that.

So of course I've
thought about that.

There's been some wild
speculation about something

in the Catalina Island
area of Southern California.

And knowing that, knowing
there has been observations

of UAP going transmedium
from air to the ocean and back

from the USS Omaha, for example.

I had an opportunity.

When I was with NOAA,
I signed an agreement

with a remarkable
individual named Victor Vescovo.

Victor is a retired
Navy Reserve commander

in the intelligence field.

And his day job was a
private equity investor

and he made quite
a bit of money.

And what he did, he's
an explorer by nature,

he has been awarded the
Explorers Grand Slam,

which is climbing the
seven highest peaks

in the world's continents,
including Everest

and skiing to the North
Pole and the South Pole.

And so if that wasn't enough,

Victor found out about
the lack of knowledge

of the oceans and
that we've really not,

we know the surface
of Mars and the moon

to a higher resolution
than we know the sea floor

of our world oceans.

And so he decided to
fund his own expedition

where he dived in a human
operated submersible

to the deepest trenches
in the five oceans,

seven miles down, 35,000
feet, over 10,000 meters

and he did that 15 times,
remarkable individual.

I signed an agreement with him

because he was collecting
some great ocean data.

He was using a ship to map
using a multi-beam sonar

and this was my job at NOAA is

to ensure we were mapping
more of our ocean,

at least the US part of
it, the exclusive economic zone.

So Victor and I signed
this agreement and we stayed

in touch after I left
the government in 2021

and at the end of that
year, he told me he was gonna

do a shakedown
cruise with his ship

after it got installed

with a new multi-beam
sonar, the latest and greatest

and he was going to do
that in Southern California.

So I asked him, "Hey,
I have some coordinates

for you to look at, would
you mind going after them?"

And he did.

- [Rob] Could the answer

to these unidentified
flying objects rest here

deep under the waters
off Point Dume.

- Oh, interesting.

- [Rob] Well, from above,
this may look like every

other patch of ocean off
the California coast,

but thanks to Google
Earth, which uses satellite
images

to look underwater,
another mystery is surfacing.

- So this could be the
most important discovery for us

in two and a half decades.

- And so there are certain areas

where the UAP activity has been,

and I asked 'em to go survey

and look for that
evidence of something.

And interestingly,
there is one area

that is very interesting.

There's a part of a
ridge in between Catalina

and the shore of Southern
California, Long Beach

that looks like a big
chunk of the ridge was carved
out

and horizontally displaced.

And it doesn't look like
it was a natural debris flow.

So I've passed it to
some leading geologists

and ocean bathymetry experts

and they're not sure how
it was created or formed.

And so my next step is
to work with Scripps

or somebody and get an ROV

and obtain some
image, optical imagery

and video of this
area just to look.

And that's the kind of
things systematic study

that needs to be
done in our oceans

to really understand
what these objects are,

just like the Harvard's
Galileo project is doing

for anomalous phenomena
in the atmosphere.

- [Person] There is, in my view,

based on the data
of USO activity,

there is a very good
reason to believe

that there are
multiple undersea bases

that these things
operate out of, yes.

And some of them would be,

but definitely off the
coast of South America,

on the Atlantic
side, I don't think

there's any question in my mind.

There's been too many
of those types of cases.

Probably on the other
side of South America too.

That's a big area of
US sub activities,

at least having
been recorded, yes.

Also the Atlantic and
the Northern Pacific.

I don't think there's a
region where it's unlikely

that there's a base under
the water somewhere.

There's Ukrainian and
Russian researchers 15 years ago

were talking about
their strong belief

of a base near the
center of the Black Sea.

So I think these things
are and can be almost anywhere.

I listened to researchers
discussing the possibility

of the base off the Bay of
Bisque, off the coast of France.

I think these can be
in many, many areas.

So you're talking about
a global presence.

What are they doing?
What's going on?

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Look on the ASA.

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They're all going
against the wind,

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