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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,400 You OK? 2 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,240 It's all right to feel afraid. 3 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,260 It's all right to feel anything. 4 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,040 I'm here for you. 5 00:00:43,460 --> 00:00:46,090 I see it's catching, my paranoia. 6 00:00:46,940 --> 00:00:49,849 You're safe, Paul. Trust me. 7 00:00:49,850 --> 00:00:51,649 We talked about pushing yourself, 8 00:00:51,650 --> 00:00:54,169 getting back out there from the start. 9 00:00:54,170 --> 00:00:56,560 You're so sure about this, aren't you? 10 00:00:57,060 --> 00:00:59,499 Yeah, we are. 11 00:00:59,500 --> 00:01:03,190 Only takes one person to recognise me and I'm screwed. 12 00:01:18,580 --> 00:01:20,740 Doesn't mean you can go on holiday. 13 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,160 Paul's got a future. 14 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,080 Paul can have the life he wants. 15 00:01:33,900 --> 00:01:36,080 - Why are you smiling? - You. 16 00:01:37,420 --> 00:01:38,860 All those years, 17 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:40,820 "Tell the truth." 18 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:42,900 "Face the truth." 19 00:01:45,140 --> 00:01:46,990 Now you're teaching me to lie. 20 00:02:04,740 --> 00:02:06,040 It's just me. 21 00:02:11,500 --> 00:02:13,000 You can't be here. 22 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,480 What do you think you're doing? 23 00:02:18,580 --> 00:02:20,439 Why don't you answer the phone? 24 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,440 You're a mess, you need help. 25 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,640 You said you'd help me out. 26 00:02:25,540 --> 00:02:27,190 I ain't doing that again. 27 00:02:28,340 --> 00:02:30,390 You want people here knowing what you did? 28 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,319 I'd never, I'd never! 29 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,344 Please, help me. Please. 30 00:02:37,345 --> 00:02:39,369 You said you'd get me the drugs. 31 00:02:39,370 --> 00:02:41,280 I'm sorry, I'm sorry! 32 00:04:08,820 --> 00:04:11,420 SILENT WITNESS Season 19 - Episode 5 33 00:04:14,820 --> 00:04:17,800 Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd Sync: Net Lion 34 00:04:27,210 --> 00:04:28,519 Thanks. 35 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,029 "Life Licence" Part 1 of 2 36 00:04:30,030 --> 00:04:33,229 - Superintendent Clive Mitchell. - Lyell Centre, Nikki Alexander, 37 00:04:33,230 --> 00:04:34,659 - Jack Hodgson. - DI Snow. 38 00:04:34,660 --> 00:04:38,000 - Not often we're met by the Super. - Not often we get one like this. 39 00:04:49,820 --> 00:04:52,220 David Sellars, 31. 40 00:04:54,700 --> 00:04:57,329 Multiple wounds to the torso, 41 00:04:57,330 --> 00:04:59,999 forearms, hands, neck. 42 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,300 Forehead and scalp also. 43 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,180 - Is there a weapon? - No. 44 00:05:05,580 --> 00:05:09,329 Time of death most likely 7.45 yesterday evening. 45 00:05:09,330 --> 00:05:10,630 That was fast. 46 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,409 We'll verify, but with wounds like this, 47 00:05:16,410 --> 00:05:18,400 attack and death won't be very far apart. 48 00:05:19,010 --> 00:05:20,809 It is odd, though. 49 00:05:20,810 --> 00:05:22,150 What's odd? 50 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,140 There should be way more blood. Excuse me. 51 00:05:39,860 --> 00:05:41,380 Someone's tried to clean up. 52 00:05:41,895 --> 00:05:43,720 - Is this his place? - Tenant. 53 00:05:44,230 --> 00:05:45,719 Let's owned by the probation service, 54 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,409 they've got several units on this estate. 55 00:05:47,410 --> 00:05:49,469 - How long has he been out of prison? - Six months. 56 00:05:49,470 --> 00:05:51,840 - What was he in for? - He did 12 years... 57 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,330 ..for killing his mother. 58 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,930 The kid who used to dream is still in here, 59 00:06:01,630 --> 00:06:04,320 but I just stopped believing it. 60 00:06:06,820 --> 00:06:08,120 Cocaine, 61 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,939 vodka, cash, 62 00:06:10,940 --> 00:06:12,620 being the man, 63 00:06:12,970 --> 00:06:14,939 being feared. 64 00:06:14,940 --> 00:06:17,694 Took a long time to learn 65 00:06:17,695 --> 00:06:20,580 it's OK to be afraid. 66 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:23,890 Being in that club... 67 00:06:25,220 --> 00:06:27,190 ..watching my girl get hit on, 68 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,850 those two touching her when she never wanted it... 69 00:06:32,580 --> 00:06:34,450 I chose what happened next. 70 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,309 I chose to follow them into that car park. 71 00:06:37,310 --> 00:06:39,200 I could've walked away... 72 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:42,250 ..but I took a baseball bat... 73 00:06:43,060 --> 00:06:44,990 ..and I ended their lives, 74 00:06:45,510 --> 00:06:47,600 ruined so many others. 75 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:55,160 You never pay back what you did, never goes away. 76 00:06:55,540 --> 00:06:58,650 Only evil is to admit nothing, 77 00:06:59,650 --> 00:07:00,960 deny. 78 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,224 No-one here's doing that. 79 00:07:04,225 --> 00:07:06,439 Everyone here has taken a life, 80 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,339 so a life licence 81 00:07:08,340 --> 00:07:10,409 gives you the chance of a new beginning. 82 00:07:10,410 --> 00:07:14,390 I believe that earns you the right to dream again. 83 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,240 It worked for me. 84 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:19,840 Watch that one, though. 85 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,540 She'll do your head in. 86 00:07:28,100 --> 00:07:29,559 All right, mate, cheers. 87 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,119 - That was really helpful, thank you. - Nice one, mate. 88 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:33,420 Cheers. 89 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,369 Don't make me do that again. First time back is tough. 90 00:07:38,370 --> 00:07:40,979 Problem share's a pain in the arse, didn't you teach me that? 91 00:07:40,980 --> 00:07:43,659 It's always good that they hear it from someone who's been through 92 00:07:43,660 --> 00:07:46,699 the system. You were brave, we were listening. 93 00:07:46,700 --> 00:07:49,780 Maybe I should branch out - kids' parties, weddings. 94 00:07:52,900 --> 00:07:54,350 Well, I ain't going to light it. 95 00:07:57,580 --> 00:07:59,659 You've been a good support to Ben, 96 00:07:59,660 --> 00:08:01,409 and really positive. 97 00:08:01,410 --> 00:08:04,200 He's done all the hard work. With your help. 98 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:06,760 Excuse me. 99 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,160 Sasha Blackburn, Origins Centre. 100 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,279 Yes. 101 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,159 I'll be there. 102 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,720 - Sasha? - It's David. 103 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,759 60 plus narrow stab wounds 104 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,320 to the torso, neck, face. 105 00:08:52,860 --> 00:08:57,060 Further incised wounds to the palms and arms. 106 00:08:57,660 --> 00:09:01,260 He was probably struggling to defend himself for most of the attack. 107 00:09:02,780 --> 00:09:05,669 Wound orientation and grouping suggests a rapid assault. 108 00:09:05,670 --> 00:09:08,420 Slim blade, probably a knife. 109 00:09:08,860 --> 00:09:11,209 Single edge, non-serrated. 110 00:09:11,210 --> 00:09:14,759 Both forearms show multiple keloid scars. 111 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,460 Some of the worst I've seen. 112 00:09:18,300 --> 00:09:20,549 Some of them are still healing, 113 00:09:20,550 --> 00:09:23,349 suggestion of prolonged self-harm. 114 00:09:23,350 --> 00:09:24,650 Or abuse. Mm. 115 00:09:25,660 --> 00:09:29,100 Also evidence of heat damage to the dermis. 116 00:09:29,430 --> 00:09:31,339 It's branding. 117 00:09:31,340 --> 00:09:35,149 David marked himself every year, his mother's birthday. 118 00:09:35,150 --> 00:09:36,469 This is Dr Blackburn, 119 00:09:36,470 --> 00:09:39,379 forensic psych attached to the Origins Centre, 120 00:09:39,380 --> 00:09:42,330 the lifers' rehab unit Sellars attended. 121 00:09:45,820 --> 00:09:48,599 His feet are abraded and lacerated. 122 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,579 David suffered from schizoaffective disorder. 123 00:09:51,580 --> 00:09:55,989 During bad episodes he'd often go barefoot, hallucinate. 124 00:09:55,990 --> 00:09:58,039 Was he in the middle of a psychotic episode? 125 00:09:58,040 --> 00:09:59,639 He wasn't stable. 126 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,360 The last few weeks, I'd been seeing him regularly. 127 00:10:03,060 --> 00:10:05,770 I was pushing for a hospital stay. 128 00:10:07,700 --> 00:10:09,949 There's a callous on his lower shin. Did he wear an ankle tag? 129 00:10:09,950 --> 00:10:12,169 He didn't have one on? 130 00:10:12,170 --> 00:10:13,850 Didn't he have one? 131 00:10:15,300 --> 00:10:17,320 He must have taken it off. 132 00:10:17,700 --> 00:10:20,819 He had consented to GPS monitoring. 133 00:10:20,820 --> 00:10:23,659 Some prefer that to daily signings or police visits. 134 00:10:23,660 --> 00:10:25,659 Can we get that data, please? Yeah. 135 00:10:25,660 --> 00:10:26,960 Nikki... 136 00:10:27,300 --> 00:10:28,600 have you ever seen that before? 137 00:10:29,300 --> 00:10:31,100 No. 138 00:10:32,140 --> 00:10:33,440 Small intestine, it's the wrong colour. It's bright purple. 139 00:10:36,100 --> 00:10:40,040 I was a prep cook at a university. 140 00:10:41,500 --> 00:10:44,659 I was helper cook 141 00:10:44,660 --> 00:10:46,590 at the university, 142 00:10:47,700 --> 00:10:49,319 It was a big kitchen, 143 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:50,620 like a canteen... 144 00:10:51,430 --> 00:10:52,739 for students. 145 00:10:52,740 --> 00:10:54,320 Can you use a fry tank? 146 00:10:54,940 --> 00:10:57,820 What? No, I did breakfasts, mostly. 147 00:10:58,340 --> 00:11:00,689 Worked on the cruise ships two years. 148 00:11:00,690 --> 00:11:03,379 - Where did that take you? - The Mediterranean. 149 00:11:03,380 --> 00:11:05,370 Catch anything I should know about? 150 00:11:07,340 --> 00:11:09,010 I'm winding you up. 151 00:11:09,500 --> 00:11:11,780 We use a candidate verify service. 152 00:11:12,940 --> 00:11:14,780 Background checks. 153 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:16,759 You're alone with a till. 154 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,010 Unless you're an armed robber, you'll be fine. 155 00:11:19,490 --> 00:11:21,640 You Mill Wall or The Addicks? 156 00:11:23,140 --> 00:11:26,240 A South London boy, not into your football? 157 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:33,729 2003, David Sellars was sentenced to life 158 00:11:33,730 --> 00:11:36,699 for the murder of Mary Sellars, his mother. 159 00:11:36,700 --> 00:11:39,339 Judge set minimum term of ten years, 160 00:11:39,340 --> 00:11:41,059 Sellars served 12. 161 00:11:41,060 --> 00:11:42,829 So there were problems inside. 162 00:11:42,830 --> 00:11:45,019 He started off in secure hospitals. 163 00:11:45,020 --> 00:11:48,279 When medication stabilised him, he improved. 164 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,489 Moved to prison, where I helped with his rehab. 165 00:11:51,490 --> 00:11:53,919 He struggled but tried really hard. 166 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,389 He was released on licence last year. 167 00:11:56,390 --> 00:11:58,239 David stabbed his mother with a fire poker 168 00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:59,990 which he heated first, yeah? 169 00:12:00,950 --> 00:12:03,939 - Correct. - How did you find him? 170 00:12:03,940 --> 00:12:06,810 - Regarding his offence? - Yeah. 171 00:12:07,220 --> 00:12:10,080 Remorseful, lucid. 172 00:12:10,780 --> 00:12:12,379 On medication, 173 00:12:12,380 --> 00:12:16,009 David was capable of objectivity, good judgment. 174 00:12:16,010 --> 00:12:18,269 His psychometric scores improved year on year. 175 00:12:18,270 --> 00:12:20,879 I had no evidence not to recommend him for release. 176 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,149 And what was behind his recent relapse? 177 00:12:23,150 --> 00:12:26,809 It's difficult to say. Just stopped communicating. 178 00:12:26,810 --> 00:12:29,310 Main reason I was considering the section order. 179 00:12:29,950 --> 00:12:33,949 Without meds, people with schizophrenia can become unstable. 180 00:12:33,950 --> 00:12:37,039 On rare occasions, violent. 181 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,560 But they're all extremely vulnerable. 182 00:12:44,820 --> 00:12:49,189 Right, no weapon yet but the clean-up job seems odd. 183 00:12:49,190 --> 00:12:52,079 Frenzied attack, the killer sticks around to mop up 184 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,189 and has the presence of mind to dispose of the cleaning gear. 185 00:12:55,190 --> 00:12:57,209 We're doing a deep search for the murder weapon. 186 00:12:57,210 --> 00:13:00,069 We need to widen the net for DNA. I'm on it next. 187 00:13:00,070 --> 00:13:01,660 Swabs from all the residents. 188 00:13:07,140 --> 00:13:09,209 Interesting career choice, 189 00:13:09,210 --> 00:13:12,299 spend your day with the most violent men in the country. 190 00:13:12,300 --> 00:13:15,949 Whereas our job's entirely free of unresolved personal issues! 191 00:13:15,950 --> 00:13:18,930 So, purple intestine's calling me. 192 00:13:19,420 --> 00:13:20,980 Thomas. 193 00:13:37,020 --> 00:13:38,320 All right? 194 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,059 He was attacked in his flat. 195 00:13:59,060 --> 00:14:02,470 I know you were close in Redhill. 196 00:14:04,060 --> 00:14:05,659 I'm sorry. 197 00:14:05,660 --> 00:14:07,429 They know who done it? 198 00:14:07,430 --> 00:14:08,730 Not yet. 199 00:14:09,860 --> 00:14:11,760 Where are they burying him? 200 00:14:14,740 --> 00:14:17,850 It don't matter, does it? No-one will be there. 201 00:14:19,140 --> 00:14:21,190 I won't be there, will I? 202 00:14:23,700 --> 00:14:27,189 We used to joke who'd have the emptiest church, him or me. 203 00:14:27,190 --> 00:14:29,859 - I'll be there. - Yeah, you don't give up on anyone. 204 00:14:29,860 --> 00:14:33,629 Look, I know it's really hard, but you have to focus on your progress. 205 00:14:33,630 --> 00:14:35,379 - I am. - I spoke to the agency and they said 206 00:14:35,380 --> 00:14:37,379 that you walked out of your job interview. 207 00:14:37,380 --> 00:14:38,859 He smelt me out. 208 00:14:38,860 --> 00:14:40,239 He knew it was bullshit, 209 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,080 - it's all bullshit. - Paul. Paul! 210 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,299 You don't get it! 211 00:14:44,300 --> 00:14:47,149 The things we've done, they don't go away. 212 00:14:47,150 --> 00:14:48,980 No, we just run from it. 213 00:15:13,620 --> 00:15:15,020 Four o'clock, Marcus. 214 00:15:45,740 --> 00:15:48,380 Always better the prison governor's on side. 215 00:15:48,980 --> 00:15:52,740 We can move that one there. That one, yes, that'd be... 216 00:15:54,780 --> 00:15:56,080 Hi, Sylvie. 217 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,759 You're not so hard to find. 218 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,509 Our boy's name's right above the door. 219 00:16:03,510 --> 00:16:04,979 Had a drink today, Ted? 220 00:16:04,980 --> 00:16:07,060 Is that your business any more? 221 00:16:07,660 --> 00:16:09,309 You're in my office. 222 00:16:09,310 --> 00:16:10,700 Is Connor here? 223 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,620 So you've heard, then. 224 00:16:22,580 --> 00:16:23,880 He's out, Sylvie. 225 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,060 I was going to call you. 226 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,380 Yeah, I can see you're busy. 227 00:16:36,300 --> 00:16:38,749 They told me I could have some counselling, 228 00:16:38,750 --> 00:16:41,069 it'll help process my feelings. 229 00:16:41,070 --> 00:16:42,460 What do you reckon? 230 00:16:43,540 --> 00:16:46,199 Maybe you could get me together with Joe. 231 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:47,970 Try to forgive. 232 00:16:48,580 --> 00:16:50,019 Never forget. 233 00:16:50,020 --> 00:16:53,220 You should talk to someone. What if I found out where he lives? 234 00:16:55,380 --> 00:16:58,709 Still got some old contacts. We met some good coppers, didn't we? 235 00:16:58,710 --> 00:17:01,029 You promised me you'd do nothing to him. 236 00:17:01,030 --> 00:17:02,330 Ever. 237 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,180 When I still loved you... 238 00:17:09,220 --> 00:17:10,520 ..you promised me. 239 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,000 Promise me again. 240 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,360 Now. 241 00:17:26,700 --> 00:17:30,060 I know you're in there, Connor, lad, I know you are. 242 00:17:30,860 --> 00:17:33,519 I just want you to know I respect your decision 243 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,119 to ignore your father for almost six or seven years, 244 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:37,429 totally respect that. 245 00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:39,989 Free country, especially if you're Joe Sherringham. 246 00:17:39,990 --> 00:17:42,540 Do you want to be here when the police arrive? 247 00:17:45,980 --> 00:17:48,580 I don't have any photographs of him any more. 248 00:17:51,060 --> 00:17:52,360 Can't... 249 00:17:55,780 --> 00:17:57,180 ..of my little boy. 250 00:17:59,860 --> 00:18:01,599 How can you bear to have them? 251 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,940 Just have him look at you, every day? 252 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:08,900 How can you do that, Sylvie? 253 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:24,980 I was going to tell you. 254 00:18:27,580 --> 00:18:29,020 I'm sorry. 255 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,349 - Forensics, right? - Yep. 256 00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:48,209 One of your guys said it's a right mess up there. 257 00:18:48,210 --> 00:18:49,910 Did you get anything? 258 00:18:50,540 --> 00:18:54,090 - And you are...? - Ryan White, warden. 259 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:56,729 I was on the force, two years. 260 00:18:56,730 --> 00:18:58,889 I told your Super I'd help if I can. 261 00:18:58,890 --> 00:19:01,989 - Two years? Not long. - Paper worker. 262 00:19:01,990 --> 00:19:05,060 I wanted to be on the street, making a difference. 263 00:19:05,660 --> 00:19:08,309 Has the graffiti been going on long? 264 00:19:08,310 --> 00:19:09,859 A few months. 265 00:19:09,860 --> 00:19:11,819 This is a decent community. 266 00:19:11,820 --> 00:19:14,699 There's a few ex-cons, lifers - 267 00:19:14,700 --> 00:19:16,859 God knows what they did. 268 00:19:16,860 --> 00:19:20,224 But probation says they're safe, so... 269 00:19:20,225 --> 00:19:23,589 - Is that anything to do with all this, the paint? - It's probably just kids. 270 00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:25,579 I'll need a swab from you, for the record. 271 00:19:25,580 --> 00:19:27,419 Anything I can do. 272 00:19:27,420 --> 00:19:29,840 Do you want a cup of tea while you're at it? 273 00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:38,420 - Tea or coffee? - Tea, please. 274 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,940 That spray paint's a nightmare to clean off. 275 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,860 Yeah, it must get all over you. 276 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,260 Can I use your bathroom? 277 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,329 Sure, it's downstairs. 278 00:20:03,330 --> 00:20:04,720 Thanks. 279 00:20:15,820 --> 00:20:17,120 Yellow paint. 280 00:20:37,180 --> 00:20:38,480 Blood. 281 00:20:49,820 --> 00:20:51,704 Someone's been busy. 282 00:20:51,705 --> 00:20:53,580 Do you take sugar? 283 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,300 Text from the office. Sorry, got to go. 284 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,269 Snow? It's Jack Hodgson. 285 00:21:10,270 --> 00:21:13,589 I'm outside flat 63, the warden, Ryan White. 286 00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:16,800 There's blood in his bathroom - better get down here. 287 00:21:19,340 --> 00:21:20,649 Shit... 288 00:21:20,650 --> 00:21:23,320 Man, I hate it when they run! 289 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,970 Stop, police! 290 00:21:50,180 --> 00:21:51,480 Get up! 291 00:21:56,060 --> 00:21:59,469 Clarissa, the discolouration we noticed in the intestine, 292 00:21:59,470 --> 00:22:00,780 anything yet? 293 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,129 What? 294 00:22:07,130 --> 00:22:09,709 - It's Bulgarian for cow. - Really? 295 00:22:09,710 --> 00:22:11,579 Bovine diazepam. 296 00:22:11,580 --> 00:22:13,644 They add a purple dye to show 297 00:22:13,645 --> 00:22:15,699 it's unlicensed for human consumption. 298 00:22:15,700 --> 00:22:20,029 This batch was manufactured by a chemical company in Gabrovo. 299 00:22:20,030 --> 00:22:22,780 The deceased probably got it illegally online. 300 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,290 Much like my fluent Bulgarian! 301 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,789 Don't worry, I'm all over it... 302 00:22:28,790 --> 00:22:30,779 Shef. 303 00:22:30,780 --> 00:22:33,309 - Sorry I'm late. - Hey, it's your mum! 304 00:22:33,310 --> 00:22:34,610 Hey. 305 00:22:36,660 --> 00:22:38,439 Mum! He scored twice. Twice? 306 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,874 Max, that's brilliant! 307 00:22:40,875 --> 00:22:43,300 We thought you were going to be there. 308 00:22:44,100 --> 00:22:45,460 I'm sorry, sweetheart. 309 00:22:47,060 --> 00:22:50,209 I'll be there next time for your hat-trick, I promise. 310 00:22:50,210 --> 00:22:51,560 OK. 311 00:22:56,460 --> 00:22:58,179 He was fine. 312 00:22:58,180 --> 00:23:00,104 It's you I'm worried about. 313 00:23:00,105 --> 00:23:02,020 Since the divorce... Mum. 314 00:23:03,980 --> 00:23:05,779 Why don't I cook tea? 315 00:23:05,780 --> 00:23:08,300 Let me just... Let me just get rid of all this. 316 00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:32,660 Hi, it's me. 317 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,539 We found aerosol paints on your clothes. 318 00:23:53,540 --> 00:23:56,620 Matches paint found outside the victim's front door. 319 00:23:57,820 --> 00:24:01,934 Yeah, a can went missing from my workshop a few days ago. 320 00:24:01,935 --> 00:24:06,049 There are also traces of blood in your bathroom and on your trainers. 321 00:24:06,050 --> 00:24:08,459 David Sellars' blood. 322 00:24:08,460 --> 00:24:10,909 Why did you wash your trainers, Ryan? 323 00:24:10,910 --> 00:24:12,669 I don't know anything about blood. 324 00:24:12,670 --> 00:24:14,429 Then, why did you run? 325 00:24:14,430 --> 00:24:15,820 I panicked. 326 00:24:17,580 --> 00:24:20,924 I asked that forensics guy back to my flat. 327 00:24:20,925 --> 00:24:24,259 Why would I do that if I'd just murdered someone? 328 00:24:24,260 --> 00:24:28,689 The probation service use some of those flats for ex-offenders. 329 00:24:28,690 --> 00:24:31,389 How do you feel about that, having ex-cons in your block? 330 00:24:31,390 --> 00:24:33,729 Nice flats, all paid for. 331 00:24:33,730 --> 00:24:36,059 Everyone deserves a second chance. 332 00:24:36,060 --> 00:24:39,160 You haven't had many yourself, though, have you, Ryan? 333 00:24:40,540 --> 00:24:43,169 I mean, the police force didn't want you. 334 00:24:43,170 --> 00:24:46,184 It seems you expressed some pretty strong views at interview. 335 00:24:46,185 --> 00:24:49,649 Life should be for life, police's hands are tied. 336 00:24:49,650 --> 00:24:52,229 Then, you got divorced soon after, so... 337 00:24:52,230 --> 00:24:54,299 no second chances there, either. 338 00:24:54,300 --> 00:24:57,980 How often do you see your kids now that Mary's moved to Scotland? 339 00:24:58,580 --> 00:25:00,509 She never applied for a restraining order, 340 00:25:00,510 --> 00:25:02,229 so you're not denied access. 341 00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:03,580 Don't you want to see them? 342 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,780 Or don't they want to see you? 343 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,834 Hard for any father, 344 00:25:09,835 --> 00:25:11,820 that kind of rejection. 345 00:25:14,380 --> 00:25:17,509 Do you know what that freak did to his own mother? 346 00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:19,779 - Yeah. - Yeah. 347 00:25:19,780 --> 00:25:21,880 And now I know you did too. 348 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,729 Failed marriage, failed cop, 349 00:25:24,730 --> 00:25:26,619 prejudiced, the aerosol, 350 00:25:26,620 --> 00:25:28,980 access to the flat, fled the scene. 351 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,360 Not a big leap for the jury. 352 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,740 I went up. 353 00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:43,580 I wanted to see him, wash the graffiti off again. 354 00:25:44,980 --> 00:25:47,844 - And I saw... - You cleaned your tracks. 355 00:25:47,845 --> 00:25:50,709 Why didn't you just call the police, Ryan? 356 00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:52,739 I wasn't thinking straight. 357 00:25:52,740 --> 00:25:55,309 I thought if someone knew about the graffiti, 358 00:25:55,310 --> 00:25:57,540 if they saw my...footprints... 359 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,559 You can do me for that if you want, 360 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,820 but I never killed him, I swear! 361 00:26:41,230 --> 00:26:42,539 Tell me you got something new. 362 00:26:42,540 --> 00:26:45,139 We can't hold Ryan White much longer. 363 00:26:45,140 --> 00:26:49,149 We tracked the tag that David Sellars wore up until last week. 364 00:26:49,150 --> 00:26:51,749 Most days he never left his flat, 365 00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:54,640 but two weeks ago, he made quite a trip. 366 00:26:55,580 --> 00:26:58,340 Yeah, right across town. 367 00:26:59,180 --> 00:27:01,579 What's this? Residential flats. 368 00:27:01,580 --> 00:27:04,139 He was outside one of them for three hours. 369 00:27:04,140 --> 00:27:05,530 Waiting for someone? 370 00:27:06,420 --> 00:27:10,180 Yeah, check the occupant. If it's good, bring him in. 371 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,080 Paul Raynott? 372 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,239 So, this is your idea too. 373 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,259 What, to use full resources? Absolutely. 374 00:27:33,260 --> 00:27:36,859 - Where's the suspect? - He's not a suspect. 375 00:27:36,860 --> 00:27:39,459 We have a person of interest. On his consent, 376 00:27:39,460 --> 00:27:41,619 we'd like to do some tests after interview. 377 00:27:41,620 --> 00:27:44,269 Sorry, during which 378 00:27:44,270 --> 00:27:46,770 you intend to bring up the matter of his identity. 379 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,339 Are you serious? Absolutely. 380 00:27:49,340 --> 00:27:52,479 Then, these people do not need to be here. 381 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,959 My client's safety means he's a very vulnerable case. 382 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,269 Who's the client? 383 00:27:57,270 --> 00:27:59,539 Look, are we part of this investigation or not? 384 00:27:59,540 --> 00:28:02,740 How can we contribute unless we know who and what we're dealing with? 385 00:28:03,740 --> 00:28:05,699 Excuse me. 386 00:28:05,700 --> 00:28:08,050 DI Snow will be taking notes. 387 00:28:10,340 --> 00:28:12,199 Should I have a lawyer, then? 388 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:16,009 You're not under caution, this is a witness interview. 389 00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:18,280 You understand why you're here. 390 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,910 What would you like me to call you? 391 00:28:24,790 --> 00:28:26,099 Paul. 392 00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:28,240 Do you know why you're here, Paul? 393 00:28:29,140 --> 00:28:30,939 David's dead. 394 00:28:30,940 --> 00:28:33,149 Describe your relationship with David Sellars 395 00:28:33,150 --> 00:28:35,019 when you were both at Redhill. 396 00:28:35,020 --> 00:28:37,789 He looked out for me. Not many did. 397 00:28:37,790 --> 00:28:39,520 When did you last see him? 398 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,899 Ages ago, inside. 399 00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:45,740 So, no contact since, of any kind? 400 00:28:48,300 --> 00:28:52,009 This is a record of a journey 401 00:28:52,010 --> 00:28:54,400 that David Sellars made three weeks ago. 402 00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:58,609 He visited your address. 403 00:28:58,610 --> 00:29:00,440 Can you tell us about that? 404 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,579 I don't understand that. Did you see him that day? 405 00:29:05,580 --> 00:29:07,829 - No, never. - How did he know where to find you? 406 00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:09,939 I don't know. Your new ID, address - 407 00:29:09,940 --> 00:29:12,260 that's all highly-protected information. 408 00:29:13,060 --> 00:29:14,619 How did he know where you were? 409 00:29:14,620 --> 00:29:16,450 Paul answered the question. 410 00:29:17,060 --> 00:29:19,370 I know you're Joe Sherringham. 411 00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:23,409 A child killer. 412 00:29:23,410 --> 00:29:24,710 Joe Sherringham? 413 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,899 A willing participant in one of the most notorious 414 00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:30,100 child murders in recent history. 415 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,470 Craig Blake murder. 416 00:29:33,780 --> 00:29:37,109 Since release, you've been on daily signing with probation. 417 00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:39,559 You've been late for some of these. 418 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,169 I lose track of time a bit, it's only happened twice. 419 00:29:42,170 --> 00:29:44,409 Tell me where you were last night between 7pm and 10pm. 420 00:29:44,410 --> 00:29:47,079 - I never killed David. - Just answer the question, please. 421 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,039 - In my flat. - Can anyone confirm that? 422 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,280 No. I was on my own. 423 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,690 Can't imagine anything more lonely. Living with your secret. 424 00:30:03,290 --> 00:30:05,649 Pretending to the outside world that you're something you're not. 425 00:30:05,650 --> 00:30:08,100 - Superintendent... - Of course you needed a friend. 426 00:30:09,010 --> 00:30:11,500 Someone who knows who Paul really is. 427 00:30:12,780 --> 00:30:14,989 But then, he became a liability. 428 00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:17,790 - You felt sorry for him, but you couldn't help... - Please be quiet. 429 00:30:18,550 --> 00:30:21,540 Must have been very, very scary. 430 00:30:22,220 --> 00:30:24,100 Thinking about what he could do. 431 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,300 What he knew. 432 00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:29,099 What would Joe have done? 433 00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:31,820 What would Joe have to do to stay safe? 434 00:30:32,510 --> 00:30:34,020 Joe wouldn't be scared. 435 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:36,980 Stop this interview! 436 00:30:38,740 --> 00:30:42,660 I'm not Joe any more. I've done nothing. 437 00:30:47,420 --> 00:30:50,949 Did you see how he looked at me? Proper copper that one, innit? 438 00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:53,309 I know that look! He thinks I'm a monster. 439 00:30:53,310 --> 00:30:54,869 Is there anything you're not telling me? 440 00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:57,429 Because now's the time. Did you contact David? 441 00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:58,759 You don't believe me. 442 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,859 - Will you just come and talk to Probation. - See, I know what's coming. 443 00:31:01,860 --> 00:31:03,659 What do I have to do? I'll do it. Daily signing? 444 00:31:03,660 --> 00:31:07,249 I'll do curfews, tag me, I don't care. Not prison, a safe house. 445 00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:09,519 You come and go, I will see you every day. 446 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,019 This is them, they want this. 447 00:31:11,020 --> 00:31:14,920 Paul, it's about what's best for you. 448 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,539 Then, arrest me. 449 00:31:17,540 --> 00:31:20,340 Cos I ain't walking back in, no chance! 450 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,340 I need Paul Raynott's offender manager. 451 00:31:31,620 --> 00:31:33,589 I've just spoken to Probation Services. 452 00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:34,949 The day David was trapped, 453 00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:37,559 Paul was with his offender manager all day. 454 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,869 - They never met. - But the day he was murdered, 455 00:31:39,870 --> 00:31:42,629 David took off his tag. There could've been other times. 456 00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:45,130 There's no proof. Are you going to charge him without it? 457 00:31:46,540 --> 00:31:49,339 I appreciate you're very invested in Joe's rehabilitation, 458 00:31:49,340 --> 00:31:51,499 but the truth is there are no certainties yet. 459 00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:53,669 - Ryan and Joe could both be in on this. - I'm overinvested here? 460 00:31:53,670 --> 00:31:56,620 You are prejudging a very sensitive, very insecure young man. 461 00:31:58,740 --> 00:32:01,849 You know, I knew officers on the Craig Blake murder. 462 00:32:01,850 --> 00:32:03,609 When it was done, they both took early retirement. 463 00:32:03,610 --> 00:32:06,069 My age, fit, years of service ahead of them. 464 00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:08,529 But after that one, they'd had enough. 465 00:32:08,530 --> 00:32:11,179 What happened in that building in the woods... 466 00:32:11,180 --> 00:32:13,750 what Joe and Marcus did to that Blake boy - 467 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,919 they'd seen enough. 468 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,959 Have him sign the notes, get his permission to search his flat. 469 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,519 If you've got any fear that he'll run, 470 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,540 I'm the first to know. 471 00:32:24,650 --> 00:32:25,950 Agreed? 472 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,500 What you looking at? 473 00:32:44,300 --> 00:32:46,500 Yeah, I killed Craig Blake. 474 00:32:48,100 --> 00:32:50,850 I'm Joe Sherringham, I killed him. 475 00:32:51,510 --> 00:32:53,600 Now, look at me, I killed Craig! 476 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:56,580 Sick tosser! 477 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,039 - It is Sellar's blood, yeah? - Some. 478 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,049 But these shoes should've been drenched in it. 479 00:33:43,050 --> 00:33:46,199 DI Snow found this in a storm drain outside 480 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,509 David Sellar's block of flats. 481 00:33:47,510 --> 00:33:49,879 - Fantastic. - Yes, we'll get onto it. 482 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,579 The attack on David. 483 00:33:51,580 --> 00:33:53,779 It required strength, determination. 484 00:33:53,780 --> 00:33:57,789 Over 60 blows, that's around two minutes of repeated stabbing, 485 00:33:57,790 --> 00:34:00,819 forceful enough to go through bone an inch thick. 486 00:34:00,820 --> 00:34:03,001 - So? - Ryan's threats were anonymous. 487 00:34:03,002 --> 00:34:05,139 He wanted to avoid confrontation. 488 00:34:05,140 --> 00:34:08,629 The profile doesn't fit. And there's more good news. 489 00:34:08,630 --> 00:34:12,439 The wound pattern on David suggests a right-handed assailant. 490 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,919 Let me guess. Ryan's left-handed. 491 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,649 So, for now, Ryan's story holds. 492 00:34:17,650 --> 00:34:20,079 Went upstairs, saw the blood, panicked, cleaned up. 493 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,939 And we can't prove that Joe Sherringham 494 00:34:21,940 --> 00:34:24,259 - met David Sellars that day either. - No. 495 00:34:24,260 --> 00:34:26,379 OK, we'll go back and make enquiries 496 00:34:26,380 --> 00:34:30,079 about any contacts David may have had outside or inside prison. 497 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:31,380 Sorry. 498 00:34:33,220 --> 00:34:36,544 Right, can you access the hard drive on this? I can. 499 00:34:36,545 --> 00:34:39,859 Since you asked so nicely. 500 00:34:39,860 --> 00:34:42,404 I'm looking for trashed e-mail, social media, 501 00:34:42,405 --> 00:34:45,149 - deleted internet activity. - Who's the user? 502 00:34:45,150 --> 00:34:48,650 Um, Paul Raynott, aka, Joe Sherringham. 503 00:34:49,420 --> 00:34:53,859 Anything you find, run it past me first. Understood? 504 00:34:53,860 --> 00:34:56,250 I'll run it any way you like. 505 00:35:00,460 --> 00:35:02,810 It was a road rage incident. 506 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,859 Business wasn't going well, was drinking. 507 00:35:06,860 --> 00:35:08,989 When the other guy came at me, yelling, 508 00:35:08,990 --> 00:35:11,500 I took the wrench and I just... 509 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,500 I lost it. 510 00:35:14,020 --> 00:35:15,899 I've been out ten years now. 511 00:35:15,900 --> 00:35:18,639 There were anger management issues, obviously. 512 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,449 I realised that later. 513 00:35:20,450 --> 00:35:22,109 And that's where you met David Sellars. 514 00:35:22,110 --> 00:35:24,709 Yeah, he was on a reoffending workshop that I helped on. 515 00:35:24,710 --> 00:35:26,019 I didn't know him well. 516 00:35:26,020 --> 00:35:28,329 I think Sasha was very concerned about him. 517 00:35:28,330 --> 00:35:30,289 He needed more and more of her support. 518 00:35:30,290 --> 00:35:32,119 We found graffiti outside his door. 519 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,919 Has he ever mentioned that he was being threatened, 520 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,999 - intimidated? - No. 521 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,539 Did he talk about wanting to reduce his dose? 522 00:35:38,540 --> 00:35:40,579 We're lifers, Superintendent, 523 00:35:40,580 --> 00:35:44,419 we can be recalled at any time for almost anything. 524 00:35:44,420 --> 00:35:47,269 David had three weeks before he could move into his own house. 525 00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:49,139 I can understand why he wouldn't want 526 00:35:49,140 --> 00:35:51,039 - anything to get in the way of that. - Hi. 527 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,559 - Hi. - My wife, Mandy. 528 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,389 Oh, thanks. She doesn't normally do the coffee. 529 00:35:57,390 --> 00:35:59,339 She's the real boss round here. 530 00:35:59,340 --> 00:36:01,779 Kept the place going while I was inside. 531 00:36:01,780 --> 00:36:04,780 Can you tell me where you were, evening before last? 532 00:36:05,260 --> 00:36:06,659 At home. 533 00:36:06,660 --> 00:36:10,579 We went up about 10.30, after the news. 534 00:36:10,580 --> 00:36:12,139 Like we always do. 535 00:36:12,140 --> 00:36:14,220 I'm also on licence. 536 00:36:15,420 --> 00:36:17,139 Bennet Walker. 537 00:36:17,140 --> 00:36:19,779 He attends the Origins Centre as well. 538 00:36:19,780 --> 00:36:22,419 Yeah, I helped him through his first few months on the outside. 539 00:36:22,420 --> 00:36:25,349 He needed a job, it was cleared by probation, so... 540 00:36:25,350 --> 00:36:26,650 I'd like to talk to him. 541 00:36:26,980 --> 00:36:29,204 Er, you should know that his colleagues 542 00:36:29,205 --> 00:36:31,429 are not aware of his past. 543 00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:33,880 Is Ben in any trouble? 544 00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:36,980 I just need a word. 545 00:36:38,940 --> 00:36:41,349 You were a bit of a bad boy, weren't you, Ben? 546 00:36:41,350 --> 00:36:43,140 Gangs, drugs, bit of dealing. 547 00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:47,750 Mm. Got life for murder. 548 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,820 Couple of guys chatting up your girlfriend. 549 00:36:51,620 --> 00:36:53,059 That was then. 550 00:36:53,060 --> 00:36:55,309 So, tell me about you and David Sellars. 551 00:36:55,310 --> 00:36:56,700 Who? 552 00:36:57,740 --> 00:37:00,749 You were in Redhill at the same time. 553 00:37:00,750 --> 00:37:02,660 Oh, right, Sellars. 554 00:37:04,310 --> 00:37:05,619 Bit of a schizo. 555 00:37:05,620 --> 00:37:08,169 - You attacked him in the canteen. - That was nothing. 556 00:37:08,170 --> 00:37:09,839 It was an argument over a portion he give me, 557 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,499 that was my first month inside. 558 00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:14,039 Right. Before you turned that corner. 559 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,029 Bought into the rehab workshops and classes. 560 00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:19,460 Ten years, got yourself out on licence. 561 00:37:20,940 --> 00:37:22,910 They don't let us out easy. 562 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,150 Whatever the papers want you to think. 563 00:37:27,780 --> 00:37:30,620 Thing is, there's always that question, isn't there? 564 00:37:32,220 --> 00:37:33,520 Have you really changed? 565 00:37:34,980 --> 00:37:36,710 Oliver texted me. 566 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,299 Why didn't you tell me you wanted to interview my clients? 567 00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:43,450 You have a problem with that, Dr Blackburn? 568 00:37:45,340 --> 00:37:47,469 Have you seen David Sellars since you've been released? No. 569 00:37:47,470 --> 00:37:50,419 What's this about, Sash? 570 00:37:50,420 --> 00:37:52,990 David Sellars was murdered two days ago. 571 00:37:54,060 --> 00:37:57,069 Where were you that day, between 7pm and 10pm? 572 00:37:57,070 --> 00:37:59,679 Oh, right. I get it. 573 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,379 Pull another lifer in for it. Yeah? 574 00:38:02,380 --> 00:38:05,429 Easy collar, statement to the press, all done and dusted, huh? 575 00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:07,059 Just answer the question. 576 00:38:07,060 --> 00:38:09,380 It's important, Ben, whatever you know. 577 00:38:10,620 --> 00:38:13,059 I was at the gym and then, I went home. 578 00:38:13,060 --> 00:38:16,180 I'll be on camera all the way. Why don't you go and check? 579 00:38:23,020 --> 00:38:24,549 Why was David killed? 580 00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:25,850 They don't know. 581 00:38:26,740 --> 00:38:29,320 I'm so sorry. Are you OK? 582 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:31,769 I'm fine, Oliver, really. 583 00:38:31,770 --> 00:38:34,339 You weren't responsible for David. 584 00:38:34,340 --> 00:38:36,419 You're looking after everyone except yourself. 585 00:38:36,420 --> 00:38:39,950 - There's people around you who can help. - Look, I've really got to go. 586 00:38:42,420 --> 00:38:44,779 We've got David's tox reports. 587 00:38:44,780 --> 00:38:47,899 They confirm that the anti-psychotic 588 00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:49,769 that he was prescribed was present, 589 00:38:49,770 --> 00:38:52,289 but at much lower levels than expected. 590 00:38:52,290 --> 00:38:55,789 It suggests that he was reducing his risperidone, 591 00:38:55,790 --> 00:38:59,549 using bovine diazepam to try and replace it. 592 00:38:59,550 --> 00:39:01,659 Do you think he was self-medicating? 593 00:39:01,660 --> 00:39:04,349 David spent all his adult life in jail. 594 00:39:04,350 --> 00:39:06,460 Told what to do, what to think. 595 00:39:07,540 --> 00:39:10,529 Self-medicating is a way of taking back control. 596 00:39:10,530 --> 00:39:12,380 He just wanted to feel normal. 597 00:39:13,660 --> 00:39:15,459 We knew he was struggling. 598 00:39:15,460 --> 00:39:18,520 He needed more and more of my time. 599 00:39:19,230 --> 00:39:21,579 I knew that there was a chance 600 00:39:21,580 --> 00:39:24,160 he was letting his meds slip. 601 00:39:26,380 --> 00:39:30,660 David trusted us, and we let him down. 602 00:39:34,060 --> 00:39:36,204 What makes you want to do this? 603 00:39:36,205 --> 00:39:38,339 Making these impossible calls? 604 00:39:38,340 --> 00:39:42,829 Almost all the lifers that I deal with have also been victims. 605 00:39:42,830 --> 00:39:46,739 Abuse, neglect, just... no chances in life. 606 00:39:46,740 --> 00:39:50,149 Most want to turn things around, they just don't know how. 607 00:39:50,150 --> 00:39:52,469 And I am in a job that can help them. 608 00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:54,629 How can you know if they've really changed, 609 00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:56,139 if they're safe to be released? 610 00:39:56,140 --> 00:39:59,379 We look for the science, patterns, tests, observation. 611 00:39:59,380 --> 00:40:02,384 We do our best with the evidence that we have, just like you. 612 00:40:02,385 --> 00:40:05,389 Do you lie awake at night, wondering if you made the right call? 613 00:40:05,390 --> 00:40:06,690 Do you? 614 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,220 I believe everyone deserves a second chance. 615 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,460 There's nothing worth nicking here, mate, I swear. 616 00:40:46,580 --> 00:40:47,880 Hello, Ted. 617 00:40:54,940 --> 00:40:57,789 I used to come round here when Dad was drinking. 618 00:40:57,790 --> 00:41:00,340 And you'd patch me up, let me stay over. 619 00:41:04,780 --> 00:41:07,999 I want you to know I never wanted to hurt Craig, I swear. 620 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,900 But you did. 621 00:41:11,940 --> 00:41:13,579 That's exactly what you did. 622 00:41:13,580 --> 00:41:14,900 I didn't know who I was. 623 00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:19,519 I had no-one at home to show me, just you. 624 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,140 And then, Marcus came. 625 00:41:21,740 --> 00:41:24,289 And he... He could see I was wide one, 626 00:41:24,290 --> 00:41:27,139 some messed-up kid. 627 00:41:27,140 --> 00:41:29,124 Right, so you're the victim? 628 00:41:29,125 --> 00:41:31,100 Huh? Not my little boy. 629 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,339 Is that what you learnt in prison? 630 00:41:34,340 --> 00:41:37,699 I came to say I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. 631 00:41:37,700 --> 00:41:40,784 I know it doesn't mean anything, but... It's just too late, 632 00:41:40,785 --> 00:41:43,860 but I just wanted to say it. Do whatever you want. 633 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,269 Come on, Ted. Come on, do it. 634 00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:50,060 Do it, I wouldn't blame you, do it! 635 00:41:59,540 --> 00:42:01,380 I'm so sorry, Ted. 636 00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:06,520 My new name is Paul Raynott. 637 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,220 I live at Flat 9, Endicott Place. 638 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,540 So now you know. 639 00:42:34,420 --> 00:42:36,180 Breakfast call, Marcus. 640 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,779 Traces of David Sellars' blood, 641 00:42:51,780 --> 00:42:54,149 the blade matches the wounds on his body. 642 00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:56,579 No prints or DNA from his attacker. 643 00:42:56,580 --> 00:43:00,719 Meanwhile, Joe Sherringham's laptop 644 00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:03,249 tells us he knows a thing or two about encryption. 645 00:43:03,250 --> 00:43:05,769 Masked IP addresses, proxy servers. 646 00:43:05,770 --> 00:43:08,019 So it took a while, but... 647 00:43:08,020 --> 00:43:10,340 ten days ago, he got this. 648 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,419 An invoice for 50 diazepam. 649 00:43:13,420 --> 00:43:15,209 Exactly the same chemical profile 650 00:43:15,210 --> 00:43:17,169 as the ones David Sellars was taking. 651 00:43:17,170 --> 00:43:20,549 - Sellars tries to make it without his meds. - His mental state deteriorates. 652 00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:23,660 - Asks Sherringham to get the diazepam for him. - Ends up dead. 653 00:43:24,940 --> 00:43:27,799 I'm pulling Joe Sherringham back in. Going to keep this low-key, 654 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,100 OK? Jack. 655 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,820 This what you call low-key? 656 00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:50,490 Jason. 657 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,989 Badly burnt male. Found outside the front of the property. 658 00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:55,299 Alive, just. 659 00:43:55,300 --> 00:43:57,019 Fire crews found a body in the kitchen, 660 00:43:57,020 --> 00:43:59,549 we're just waiting for the fire investigators. 661 00:43:59,550 --> 00:44:01,380 This isn't Joe Sherringham. 662 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,180 No, but this is. 663 00:44:13,850 --> 00:44:16,509 Looks like multiple stab wounds to the face, 664 00:44:16,510 --> 00:44:18,919 neck, upper torso. 665 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,040 - Same as David Sellars. - Possibly. 666 00:44:22,540 --> 00:44:25,370 - Weapon? - Screwdriver. 667 00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:28,019 Under the body, protected from the heat, 668 00:44:28,020 --> 00:44:29,799 about the only thing in here that was. 669 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,370 This little baby is the seat of the fire. 670 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,339 From the spread pattern and the burns on the fellow outside, 671 00:44:35,340 --> 00:44:37,220 I'd say an accelerant was used. 672 00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:45,549 Boss. Hospital's got an ID on the burns victim. 673 00:44:45,550 --> 00:44:46,939 It's Ted Blake. 674 00:44:46,940 --> 00:44:50,219 Ted Blake? Father of Craig Blake. 675 00:44:50,220 --> 00:44:52,620 The kid that Sherringham murdered in the woods. 676 00:44:53,820 --> 00:44:56,849 So, did Blake find out where his son's killer lived, 677 00:44:56,850 --> 00:44:58,519 set the fire to cover his tracks? 678 00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,309 Got caught as the accelerant ignited, staggered outside, collapsed. 679 00:45:02,310 --> 00:45:04,499 Maybe this felt like some kind of justice. 680 00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:07,000 Hard to live with, a loss like his. 681 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,540 Sherringham's new ID was Class One protected. 682 00:45:11,890 --> 00:45:14,549 I want Blake's last movements, contacts, the lot. 683 00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:16,149 I want to know why and how 684 00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:18,119 - he found Joe Sherringham. - Sir. 685 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,299 Tell the hospital to isolate the suspect. 686 00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:23,449 And, Snow... I want the press out of this for as long as I can. 687 00:45:23,450 --> 00:45:25,759 Why would Ted Blake also kill David Sellars? 688 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,389 He wanted payback for his son, maybe got to Sellars first, 689 00:45:29,390 --> 00:45:32,279 forced him to spill Sherringham's address, then killed him. 690 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,589 How did he find them? 691 00:45:33,590 --> 00:45:36,149 Well, we know that Sherringham met Sellars and gave him diazepam, 692 00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:38,839 maybe they were seen together and someone tipped Ted Blake off. 693 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,299 We need Ted Blake to talk. 694 00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:42,800 - Is he conscious? - They won't let us near him. 695 00:45:44,300 --> 00:45:46,040 You're a doctor, right? 696 00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:47,859 No. 697 00:45:47,860 --> 00:45:50,289 This man is a murder suspect. 698 00:45:50,290 --> 00:45:52,899 Right now, my patient has burns to over 40% of his body. 699 00:45:52,900 --> 00:45:55,159 I won't risk exposure to further trauma. 700 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,569 I'm sure you realise the implications of this case. 701 00:45:57,570 --> 00:46:00,069 My job is to keep him alive. I'm sorry. 702 00:46:00,070 --> 00:46:02,479 Dr Chamberlain, Lyell Centre. 703 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,639 He has an endotracheal tube. 704 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,259 Was there respiratory distress? 705 00:46:06,260 --> 00:46:08,629 Oedema of the oropharynx. Possible hypoxia. 706 00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:11,360 Hypoxia. So, you've taken bloods. 707 00:46:12,020 --> 00:46:14,559 15ml. That's all we need. 708 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,260 Give us something to work with till we can examine him. 709 00:46:19,020 --> 00:46:21,040 I'll tell Path to expect you. And his clothes are bagged. 710 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,160 What's left of them. 711 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,220 I've come to see my husband. 712 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,179 Mrs Blake, I'm Superintendent Clive Mitchell. 713 00:46:37,180 --> 00:46:39,869 I know this is a really difficult time, 714 00:46:39,870 --> 00:46:42,269 but I do need to ask you a few questions. 715 00:46:42,270 --> 00:46:43,570 Can't you wait? 716 00:46:45,780 --> 00:46:48,139 He came to the office yesterday. 717 00:46:48,140 --> 00:46:51,180 He'd been drinking, I just wanted him out. 718 00:46:52,020 --> 00:46:54,819 Did he ever talk about wanting to find Sherringham? 719 00:46:54,820 --> 00:46:56,490 All the time. 720 00:46:56,900 --> 00:46:59,139 Dad used to bang on about revenge. 721 00:46:59,140 --> 00:47:02,460 What he'd do to Sherringham and Chadwell if he ever got the chance. 722 00:47:03,300 --> 00:47:07,039 We just... We just thought it was drunk talk. 723 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,640 Any idea how he learned about Sherringham's new identity? 724 00:47:11,900 --> 00:47:14,180 I got back up on my feet. 725 00:47:14,820 --> 00:47:18,380 Built something positive from my son's death. 726 00:47:18,690 --> 00:47:20,700 Tried to forgive, never forget. 727 00:47:22,980 --> 00:47:25,450 Ted's just made that a sick joke. 728 00:47:32,580 --> 00:47:34,500 It's all starting again. 729 00:47:36,050 --> 00:47:38,880 We're never going to be free of this now. 730 00:47:40,780 --> 00:47:43,569 The blood is all Joe Sherringham's. 731 00:47:43,570 --> 00:47:45,629 No surface traces of the assailant. 732 00:47:45,630 --> 00:47:48,319 Look for sweat or epidermal samples under the handle. 733 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,091 Start where the shaft and the handle meet, work your way down. 734 00:47:51,092 --> 00:47:53,809 So, those are my plans for the evening. 735 00:47:53,810 --> 00:47:55,739 - You? - The usual. 736 00:47:55,740 --> 00:47:58,499 Cup of cocoa and straight to bed with a Jilly Cooper. 737 00:47:58,500 --> 00:48:01,509 Did you get the mass spectrometry on Blake's clothes? 738 00:48:01,510 --> 00:48:04,660 - No sign of accelerant. - Really? 739 00:48:05,340 --> 00:48:07,549 Well, maybe we're looking at fast evaporation, 740 00:48:07,550 --> 00:48:09,659 LPG, aerosols, lighter fluid. 741 00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:11,229 Maybe, but... 742 00:48:11,230 --> 00:48:13,909 I can't find any blood on Ted's clothes either. 743 00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:17,099 With that kind of attack you'd think we'd get something. 744 00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:20,599 You set alight to a crime scene to obliterate traces, right? 745 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,700 But Joe Sherringham was attacked and killed in the kitchen. 746 00:48:24,110 --> 00:48:26,230 So, why set the fire in the hall? 747 00:48:27,340 --> 00:48:29,644 Absence of soot in the mouth and pharynx, 748 00:48:29,645 --> 00:48:32,739 indicative of death before the fire. 749 00:48:32,740 --> 00:48:35,239 An examination of distal airways to confirm. 750 00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:37,779 Stab wounds to the chest, neck, upper arms. 751 00:48:37,780 --> 00:48:40,759 Angles of entry and spread suggest that they were made 752 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,459 while the victim was moving in relation to his assailant. 753 00:48:43,460 --> 00:48:45,890 Multiple deep stab wounds to the face. 754 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,570 These seem to have been made after he stopped moving. 755 00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,119 I don't think this was just a frenzied attack. 756 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:54,750 This was mutilation. 757 00:48:55,740 --> 00:48:57,940 Someone wanted to dehumanise Joe. 758 00:48:59,540 --> 00:49:01,659 Erase his identity. 759 00:49:01,660 --> 00:49:02,960 Why? 760 00:49:03,450 --> 00:49:05,119 There's no ritual element, 761 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,289 as far as we can see, there's nothing sexual. 762 00:49:07,290 --> 00:49:10,260 Because then, he'd be removed as an obstacle. 763 00:49:10,820 --> 00:49:13,390 He wouldn't be in their way any more. 764 00:49:17,660 --> 00:49:22,329 Two different types of murder weapon, a knife and a screwdriver. 765 00:49:22,330 --> 00:49:25,109 But there are similarities in wound pattern. 766 00:49:25,110 --> 00:49:27,749 In particular, a deliberate targeting to the face. 767 00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:30,559 In Sellars' case, less pronounced. 768 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,619 The facial wounds are fewer and shallower. 769 00:49:32,620 --> 00:49:35,564 So, the killer's work on Sherringham could suggest a development. 770 00:49:35,565 --> 00:49:37,939 His anger's finding its expression. 771 00:49:37,940 --> 00:49:39,249 More focused. 772 00:49:39,250 --> 00:49:41,159 We know Ted Blake was in the vicinity, 773 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,839 but so far we've got nothing to connect him to the actual murder, or, indeed, to setting the fire. 774 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,849 No, you told us there were flash burns on Ted Blake. 775 00:49:46,850 --> 00:49:49,659 Yes, but there's no trace of accelerant on his clothes 776 00:49:49,660 --> 00:49:52,600 and we would've expected at least some of Sherringham's blood to show up. 777 00:49:54,460 --> 00:49:56,480 So, we've got nothing. 778 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,100 What happens if there was a third person? 779 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:08,420 Possible. 780 00:50:09,580 --> 00:50:11,479 Pull up the file on Joe Sherringham 781 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,579 - and his victim, Craig Blake. - Gov. 782 00:50:13,580 --> 00:50:17,209 Anything on the screwdriver? Small traces of skin on the handle. 783 00:50:17,210 --> 00:50:20,149 Luckily, Sherringham's blood didn't get in there or swamp them. 784 00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:22,629 I'm expecting the DNA back soon. 785 00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:24,939 Blake's conscious, he's trying to talk. 786 00:50:24,940 --> 00:50:26,420 I'll come with you. 787 00:50:35,630 --> 00:50:37,329 Sats are dropping. 788 00:50:37,330 --> 00:50:40,280 Bringing the defib just now. Got a cart. 789 00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:42,579 Ted! 790 00:50:42,580 --> 00:50:44,570 Sir! You need to move out of the room. 791 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:46,880 Sir, can you move back? 792 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,100 Still falling. 793 00:50:51,500 --> 00:50:54,469 It appears Edward Blake was caught in a fire that destroyed 794 00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:56,849 the flat where Joe Sherringham was living. 795 00:50:56,850 --> 00:51:00,589 15 years ago, Sherringham and an older teenager, Marcus Chadwell, 796 00:51:00,590 --> 00:51:01,959 received life sentences 797 00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,079 for the murder of Blake's son, Craig. 798 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:05,949 Sherringham had recently been released 799 00:51:05,950 --> 00:51:07,999 on licence with a new identity, 800 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,349 while Marcus Chadwell remains at a high security 801 00:51:10,350 --> 00:51:12,399 unit at Oakford Prison. 802 00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,940 - Ted Blake's dead. - Really? 803 00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:18,579 This came from Mitchell. 804 00:51:18,580 --> 00:51:21,240 The pathology from the Craig Blake inquest. 805 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,109 Thanks, Clarissa. 806 00:51:24,110 --> 00:51:26,240 I'm here all night if you need me. 807 00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,919 - When do we get Blake's body? - Be with you later today. 808 00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,420 What's the news? 809 00:53:02,140 --> 00:53:05,930 Targeting the face is an uncommon style of violence. 810 00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:10,180 But look at this. 15 years ago. 811 00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,969 Among Craig Blake's many injuries, 812 00:53:12,970 --> 00:53:15,659 there were a dozen puncture wounds to his face. 813 00:53:15,660 --> 00:53:19,739 Joe Sherringham testified that they were inflicted by Marcus Chadwell. 814 00:53:19,740 --> 00:53:23,430 Marcus never admitted this. Well, he's never admitted anything. 815 00:53:25,420 --> 00:53:27,739 Maybe Marcus doesn't want his second chance. 816 00:53:27,740 --> 00:53:29,759 It's rare, but it happens. 817 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,799 He's never shown remorse for what he did, 818 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,799 he's refused all rehabilitation work. 819 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,769 On both Sellars and Sherringham, 820 00:53:36,770 --> 00:53:38,699 we suspect that these wounds were inflicted 821 00:53:38,700 --> 00:53:40,709 when the victim was motionless. 822 00:53:40,710 --> 00:53:42,119 At the Blake trial, 823 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:43,889 the prosecution suggested Marcus 824 00:53:43,890 --> 00:53:46,290 did something very similar to Craig Blake. 825 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,969 All right, is it possible 826 00:53:52,970 --> 00:53:56,319 that Marcus Chadwell coerced someone else 827 00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,889 into killing both Joe and David? This third person? 828 00:53:59,890 --> 00:54:02,579 Surely we have to consider the possibility. 829 00:54:02,580 --> 00:54:04,549 When one of the victims is Joe Sherringham. 830 00:54:04,550 --> 00:54:07,939 Marcus's contact with the outside world is closely monitored. 831 00:54:07,940 --> 00:54:11,099 Yeah, but he's associated with other prisoners for years, some of whom have been released. 832 00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:13,359 And he's highly manipulative. 833 00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,069 Psychopathic personality types always are. 834 00:54:16,070 --> 00:54:19,939 He manipulated Joe into killing Craig Blake. 835 00:54:19,940 --> 00:54:21,240 But? 836 00:54:21,940 --> 00:54:23,240 Two things. 837 00:54:24,140 --> 00:54:28,709 If Marcus influenced someone inside to go out and kill, 838 00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:30,479 then we missed it. 839 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,959 Given the tests, the therapy, the scrutiny 840 00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,339 that lifers undergo, it's unlikely. 841 00:54:36,340 --> 00:54:37,649 But it could happen. 842 00:54:37,650 --> 00:54:40,609 It would take a uniquely deceptive personality 843 00:54:40,610 --> 00:54:43,119 to hide their true psychology over time. 844 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,589 Marcus is a uniquely deceptive personality, 845 00:54:45,590 --> 00:54:47,519 so what's the second thing? 846 00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,579 You've seen the TV. 847 00:54:49,580 --> 00:54:52,389 Marcus Chadwell is famous again. 848 00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:57,029 You give him the attention of a police investigation on top? 849 00:54:57,030 --> 00:55:01,380 He WILL play games. He's been dreaming of this. 850 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,759 You understand why we're here. 851 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,789 Ted Blake and Joe Sherringham. 852 00:55:28,790 --> 00:55:31,120 Yes, how very unfortunate for them. 853 00:55:32,460 --> 00:55:34,990 We've not been introduced. 854 00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,219 I'm a forensic pathologist. 855 00:55:38,220 --> 00:55:40,730 So you're the one digging up the past. 856 00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,210 Can you tell us anything about these wounds? 857 00:55:54,780 --> 00:55:57,740 I don't have a lot to say about this. 858 00:55:58,310 --> 00:55:59,619 Do you? 859 00:55:59,620 --> 00:56:01,749 Judging by the concentration and patterning, 860 00:56:01,750 --> 00:56:03,909 he wasn't conscious when they were inflicted. 861 00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:06,029 And that's your conclusion? Is it correct? 862 00:56:06,030 --> 00:56:08,260 Well, you seem quite confident. 863 00:56:09,980 --> 00:56:11,659 What do you see there, Marcus? 864 00:56:11,660 --> 00:56:13,649 I see Craig Blake. 865 00:56:13,650 --> 00:56:15,980 Recognise the photograph from the trial. 866 00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:24,709 Have you discussed Craig's wounds with anyone else? 867 00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:26,019 Who do you have in mind? 868 00:56:26,020 --> 00:56:28,949 Somebody who you felt comfortable talking to. 869 00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:31,939 You looked after Joe, didn't you, Doctor? 870 00:56:31,940 --> 00:56:34,729 Strange how inseparable we became. 871 00:56:34,730 --> 00:56:36,210 You were very different. 872 00:56:36,580 --> 00:56:38,619 How was Joe under your care? 873 00:56:38,620 --> 00:56:40,549 Joe was a very brave young man. 874 00:56:40,550 --> 00:56:42,959 I'm not very interested in Joe and I'm not, 875 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,029 it turns out, very interested in you. 876 00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:46,879 Evidently, you're here 877 00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,339 because you need information from me, yes? 878 00:56:49,340 --> 00:56:51,529 If that is to happen, then, 879 00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:55,660 we would need to discuss someone that I am interested in. 880 00:56:56,500 --> 00:56:59,350 Who are you interested in, Marcus? 881 00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,630 The mother, of course. 882 00:57:05,850 --> 00:57:08,140 Sylvie. Sylvie Blake. 883 00:57:10,020 --> 00:57:13,980 Things happened that day I've not spoken about, 884 00:57:14,580 --> 00:57:17,240 things that impact on Joe's death 885 00:57:17,940 --> 00:57:20,030 very directly. 886 00:57:20,820 --> 00:57:24,209 Are you claiming influence over these murders? 887 00:57:24,210 --> 00:57:27,029 Influence - that's a very good word. 888 00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:28,339 He's being evasive. 889 00:57:28,340 --> 00:57:31,450 I can tell you who killed Joe. 890 00:57:34,300 --> 00:57:37,710 We need to take Sylvie to the building in the woods. 891 00:58:03,820 --> 00:58:06,289 Puncture wound, made by a small, blunt object. 892 00:58:06,290 --> 00:58:08,609 WE haven't been able to match it with anything in the house 893 00:58:08,610 --> 00:58:10,759 and it wasn't made by the murder weapon. 894 00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,569 - You shouldn't have come here. - I'm not mad at you, mind. 895 00:58:13,570 --> 00:58:15,359 I'm going to bring him out now. 896 00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,360 He's not going to get anywhere near you. 897 00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,980 Where were you the day that Craig died? 898 00:58:21,470 --> 00:58:22,779 Why are you asking me this? 899 00:58:22,780 --> 00:58:24,259 I want you to check for a match. 900 00:58:24,260 --> 00:58:27,179 - Right, Ted Blake, I'm on it. - Not Ted. 901 00:58:27,180 --> 00:58:29,359 It can go wrong for people like us. 902 00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:30,900 Don't put your hands on me! 903 00:58:37,740 --> 00:58:40,720 Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd Sync: Net Lion 68582

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