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(soft rumbling, growing louder)
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(waves crashing)
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ZIPPORAH KURIA: I remember the first time
I ever stepped into the ocean.
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My brothers jumped in, my mom jumped in,
and I just stayed away from the waves.
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And I remember my dad pretending to drown,
and he was like,
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"Who's gonna help me? Who's gonna help me?
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Only my little girl can help me."
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He had the ability to empower me to think
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that my six-year-old body
could lift a whole man.
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The world has really lost
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the best kind of people...
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...on that flight.
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(jet engine whirring)
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(upbeat electronic music playing)
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WOMAN: My colleague with communications,
John Flick,
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is with some of the employees
that have come,
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and certainly there are a lot here
in Renton, Washington,
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but we have employees who've been involved
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with this airplane and program
from all over the globe.
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-John?
-FLICK: Deborah, certainly it is
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a worldwide effort,
and, you know, not the greatest day.
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It's rainy, it's cold,
but look at all the excited faces.
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-(crowd whooping)
-A lot of these folks from Renton here,
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ponchos, smiling,
even though it's raining.
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And we talked about
the team effort for this.
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WOMAN:
Let's just take a listen
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as this airplane gets ready
for its very first takeoff.
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(applause)
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(jet engine roaring)
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(crowd whooping)
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(cameras clicking)
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(typewriter clacking)
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DENNIS MUILENBURG:
Throughout the past 100 years,
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Boeing and its employees
have led with innovation...
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...and have taken the world
from seaplanes to space planes.
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From walking on the Earth...
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...to walking on the Moon.
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(satellite beeping)
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Few companies have achieved
as much as we have.
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Today, we'll celebrate
that legacy together
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while imagining what comes next.
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NEWSMAN: One Dow stock is skyrocketing,
and it's a familiar one.
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NEWSWOMAN: Shares of Boeing stock
is on pace for its best month ever.
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(bell clanging)
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I'm speaking to you from the Boeing plant
in Everett, Washington,
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because at this plant,
they're building the plane of the future.
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CROWD (chanting):
U.S.A.! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!
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-U.S.A.
-U.S.A.! U.S.A.!
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MUILENBURG: We're the leader
in this great global industry,
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and we know that lives
literally depend on what we do.
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We will continue to lead and succeed
in our second century.
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(applause)
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DOMINIC GATES:
I believe in the Boeing mission.
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I'm awed by their technology
and their prowess.
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I love it.
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And it's a hugely important company,
and I want it to succeed.
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This is the piece that we wrote
that blew open the story
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behind the 737 MAX disasters.
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I remember somebody called me up and said,
"Why didn't you publish that earlier?
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Maybe you could've stopped
the second crash."
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(soft rumbling)
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(water burbling)
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(helicopter whirring)
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(man speaking foreign language)
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NEWSWOMAN:
An Indonesia passenger plane
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crashing into the sea
minutes after takeoff from Jakarta.
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All 189 people on board
are now feared dead.
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Mentioned this was a-a Boeing aircraft.
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What m-more do we know about the plane?
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NEWSMAN: (stammers)
Boeing, as you said, uh, almost brand-new.
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They had taken delivery of it
back in August.
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It was a 737 MAX.
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That's the updated version of the 737.
They haven't been out that long.
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NEWSMAN 2: The stock is down,
but my read is that TheStreet
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actually isn't that negative
on where Boeing is going with this issue.
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NEWSWOMAN 2: Analysts have
great expectations for their stock.
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-(siren wailing)
-The company said the crash had posed
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no material risk to the MAX program,
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the company has
enough cash flow to cover this,
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and that this issue again is overblown.
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(people crying)
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MUILENBURG: First of all,
I think it's important that we all
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express our sympathies for
the-the loss of, uh, Lion Air Flight 610.
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Uh, we've been very engaged with
the investigative authorities throughout
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in providing all of the information,
uh, necessary
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to make sure we do a full assessment
of, uh, of the situation.
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And the bottom line here
is the 737 MAX is safe.
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(birds squawking)
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(helicopter whirring)
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NEWSWOMAN: We are following
breaking news out of Ethiopia,
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where a plane went down,
killing everyone on board.
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NEWSWOMAN 2:
The airline told state media
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there were people of more than
30 nationalities among the dead.
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NEWSWOMAN 3:
It's unclear what caused the crash,
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but the model in question,
a Boeing 737 MAX 8,
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it's the same one that was involved in
the Indonesian disaster back in October.
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NEWSWOMAN 4:
This has now moved into a criminal probe.
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The Justice Department
issuing multiple subpoenas
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as part of a wide-ranging investigation
into Boeing's FAA certification.
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(thunder rumbling)
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NEWSMAN: Facing serious safety questions
and brutal political headwinds,
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the Boeing 737 MAX 8
is being grounded around the globe.
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(reporters speaking various languages)
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DONALD TRUMP:
Any plane currently in the air
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will go to its destination
and thereafter be grounded.
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NEWSWOMAN 5: Is this expected to send
shock waves through the U.S. economy?
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NEWSMAN 2:
It certainly could.
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You're talking about tens of thousands
of supply chain workers.
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That's in addition to the
12,000 Boeing employees who build the 737.
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-(reporters clamoring) -TRUMP:
It was a big-- that was a big decision.
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-It's also one of our largest exporters.
-(cameras clicking)
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One of the truly great companies
of the world.
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They have to figure it out fast.
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GATES: These were
two brand-new airplanes that crashed,
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and the weather was perfect.
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That just shouldn't happen.
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Why did they crash?
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Was there a common cause?
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Were the pilots somehow at fault?
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Or was there something wrong
with the plane?
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KURIA:
I'm smart.
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OLIVIA:
I'm smart.
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KURIA:
I'm intelligent.
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(babbles)
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I'm kind.
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Kind.
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I'm funny.
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I'm funny. (babbles)
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I'm beautiful!
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-I'm beautiful.
-Good girl.
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(happy babbling)
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KURIA: They say you usually start
your grieving process
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when you've buried your loved one.
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Then you get news
that they've identified some remains.
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And finding out you're getting like 30%
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of the man who raised you.
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Some families got 70%, 80%.
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My brothers, my niece
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and the rest of our family,
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we only got 30%.
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Going through the list of remains,
viewing, like, what's in the casket.
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You know, it was hard to digest.
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NEWSWOMAN: The families
of some of the 157 people killed
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when a Boeing 737 MAX
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crashed in Ethiopia last March
have accused
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Ethiopian Airlines
of denying them the chance
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to attend a service for their loved ones
at the site of the disaster.
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NEWSMAN: Yesterday, the final
unidentifiable remains of those who died
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were buried at the site.
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Two days before the burial,
they send the families an email,
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saying, "We're going to be burying
your loved ones in the next 48 hours."
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They were just buried like people
who didn't belong to anyone
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or weren't loved by anyone.
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My dad had a funeral yesterday,
and I missed it.
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(wind whistling softly)
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NEWSWOMAN:
Do you believe that Boeing has been
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transparent enough in the process so far?
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We may actually be in litigation
against Boeing out of this cris--
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so I don't want to throw stones at Boeing
until we know more.
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(train horn blows in distance)
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JUSTIN GREEN:
Boeing's got the best aviation lawyers,
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trial lawyers.
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They've got unlimited resources.
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And the families of the victims
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-essentially have us.
-(train horn blows)
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(whoops)
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I was a pilot in the Marine Corps.
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I've been in two aviation crashes.
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The first one was in a DC-9.
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It broke in half
when it landed in Pensacola.
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The second one, the cross-tube broke,
the rotor blades hit the ground
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and flipped the helicopter.
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The accident I was in,
nothing compared to the two MAX crashes.
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Those passengers didn't have a chance.
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So, on the 6th, we have Konjit.
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ANNE HABIG:
And then Linet.
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She has two hours to meet with you.
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GREEN: There's two sides of the case,
and they're both equally important.
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The first one is the liability case.
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She may not come now. She's all worried.
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GREEN:
Yeah, I saw the emails.
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Basically, we have to prove
that Boeing did something wrong
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in order to hold Boeing accountable.
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HABIG: She left behind a husband
and two little-- and two minor children.
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But they haven't given me a date yet.
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GREEN:
The second thing is compensation.
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Even though life is precious and life
can't be measured in terms of money,
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that is how the law measures it.
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And the compensation
that we seek from Boeing
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has to reflect the very serious losses
our clients have suffered.
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(indistinct chatter)
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Boeing will try to put people
on a spreadsheet.
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WOMAN:
Hello.
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GREEN:
Have name, age, relatives.
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(woman speaking foreign language)
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And then they might say,
"Well, that's a single person,
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"not survived by a spouse, no kids.
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That case isn't worth a lot of money."
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So one of the things we do is
we kind of take them off that chart.
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"Yeah, that person's not married,
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but did you know
the person supported his entire family?"
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-(indistinct chatter)
-(woman crying)
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KONJIT SHAFI BALEKER:
He completed all the six years training
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and then he become Africa key instructor.
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GREEN:
In this case, our client's a young man,
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who, in the entire country of Ethiopia,
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he's the only person who can
actually instruct master technicians
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on Toyota vehicles.
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BALEKER:
He wins a national contest in 2011,
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also in thou-- 2012.
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Everything here is
a memorial of Sintayehu.
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Everything.
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My mother still expect, every night,
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to open the door for him.
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To say hi to him.
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She wakes up early
to prepare a food to him.
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It's difficult
to accept the reality still.
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GREEN:
You don't let people become numbers.
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You make them people again.
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So what we have to do is
try to get the essence of the person.
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ABABU AMEHA: This is, uh,
when she was graduating from ET.
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-Oh.
-Yeah.
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As a cabin crew, when she was joined.
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This is the wings that they wore?
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AMEHA:
This is the wing for the crew members.
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Her intention was to run her own business.
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-GREEN: Right.
-Yeah.
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And she was doing it
in addition to raising kids,
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having a full-time
flight attendant position.
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AMEHA:
Yeah.
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-GREEN: She had a lot of energy, huh?
-Yeah.
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-This is her attorney.
-The image I found.
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AMEHA: My wife, she used to
drink wine while she had
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helping of spaghetti.
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So this is her last drink.
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This is her last drink.
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Nobody has touched it.
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We need justice.
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We need justice.
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GREEN: Um, could you just tell me
what your full name is?
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I am John Quindos.
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Can I ask you about the crash
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and the loss of your wife, uh, your
daughter and-and your three grandchildren?
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QUINDOS: It is, uh...
it's a bit difficult to explain.
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Every day, you wake up
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and you find you have nowhere to go.
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It comes to your mind,
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"My God, why did you do this?"
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GREEN: We make them, you know,
put together photos for us.
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We make them
fill out questionnaires for us.
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We put the people through pain.
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Can you just tell me
what you miss the most about your mom?
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It's emotionally draining.
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And, um, making everything much worse,
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you could have a case
where someone from the U.S.
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gets ten times what someone
from outside the U.S. gets.
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And this is something
that we've been fighting for years.
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I'm so sorry.
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-And, God, thank you for having us.
-Thank you.
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One of the families said, "You know what?
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"If you bring me a billion dollars
and you say,
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"'You can have this billion dollars
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or my brother back,'
I'm gonna take my brother."
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Um, so getting the money, is that justice?
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ELYAB TILAHUN:
I mean, I-I won't even
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begin to understand
what they're going through.
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One minute, these people,
they were, they were with you,
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and then, 20 minutes later,
you're-you're being told that
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there was a plane crash
and they've all died.
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How do you make peace with that?
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(seagulls chirping)
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(ship horn blowing)
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WOMAN:
Morning. Hi.
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-Hello. Good morning.
-(busy chatter)
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Yeah, come in.
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MAN (over speakers): We're gonna
have some folks coming in late.
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We'll just have to find a seat.
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Hey, there's Dominic. You made it.
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WENDY SOWERS:
Of the 20 largest airlines in the world,
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19 of them fly the Triple Seven.
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We talked about
ten percent better costs per seat
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than our closest competitor
currently in the market today.
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We also have
double-digit improvement in efficiency,
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so this allows them to reduce their costs.
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Happy to take some questions of the room.
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-Yes?
-Can we get an interview about the MAX?
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SOWERS:
Uh...
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We can work with you
on any MAX-related questions.
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Wendy's really
the marketing Triple Seven X person.
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I don't think
she'd be in a position to answer
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any real complicated MAX questions, right?
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SOWERS:
Yeah, and I'm not an engineer, so...
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-MAN: And she's not an engineer.
-(woman laughs)
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Okay, so we're gonna proceed out of here.
Head out of the door.
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Head toward-- straight to the buses.
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GATES: I always say to Boeing
that it's better if you work with me.
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But if you don't
and you try to close me out,
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well, I'll write it without you.
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โช โช
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For 17 years now,
I've been covering the story of Boeing.
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Joining us now is Dominic Gates, an
aerospace reporter for The Seattle Times.
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Behind me here, we've got the 737
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fuselage system installation.
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This is the most journalistically
competitive story I've ever worked on.
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Sorry, everybody. Sorry I'm late.
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And so every meeting we were having...
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You know that a lot of people
are gonna be reading it or not...
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GATES: The editors were saying,
"Whatever you got, get it out there fast."
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There are two great centers
of airplane building in the world:
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Toulouse in Europe for Airbus
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and Seattle for Boeing.
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Historically, you did pay a premium
for a Boeing plane.
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And that's because it was better built.
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I don't think that's true anymore.
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I mean, it-it began with
the McDonnell Douglas merger in 1997.
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The merger of Boeing and McDonnell Douglas
is now complete.
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GATES:
And, in a sense, the MAX crashes
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are the end point of that.
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All these McDonnell Douglas people
came with this different mentality.
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They didn't want to design new planes
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and just harvested the money
from these older models.
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The new management
sold Wall Street this vision
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of Boeing growing exponentially,
and Wall Street bought it.
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But they were also under intense
competitive pressure from Airbus.
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-Yeah.
-That's right.
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Airbus kept building new planes,
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and suddenly American Airlines
was about to seal a huge order
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for 200 A320neos,
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which is the rival of the 737.
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NEWSMAN:
Is Boeing in trouble, do you think?
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It tells us that the-the company's in some
trouble in its competition with Airbus.
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GREEN:
American Airlines was a legacy
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Boeing customer who only flew,
uh, Boeing products up to that time.
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So the idea that they would lose
market share to, um, Airbus
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was a major event.
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GATES: So what's Boeing
going to do to answer Airbus?
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RAY RIVERA: They were going to design
a whole new airplane,
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and then scrapped those plans
and decided to modify
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-the 737 in that race.
-Right.
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DANIEL ROSE:
And the thinking for that was time,
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-money?
-GREEN: Time.
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It's a lot easier to get a new version
of a already certified aircraft
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certified by the FAA.
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But the primary goal was that
Boeing wanted to produce the airplane
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so they could sell it to customers
who were already flying the 737
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and say, "Look, if an airline is
looking at either buying an Airbus,
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"where they'd have to put pilots
through training,
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"or buy the 737 MAX, where
they already have the pilots certified,
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that's a huge competitive advantage."
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MICHELE MATASSA FLORES:
The biggest picture of all is really
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the expectations
in a capitalist society, right?
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There's shareholders,
who want greater return all the time.
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There are flying passengers,
who want lower prices all the time.
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That's really what drives all of this.
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MARC MOLLER:
Pull the curtain back
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and see what's really going on
in this company,
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and you'll understand
why this plane crashed.
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ED PIERSON: Over here, this was not
supposed to be a big parking lot for 737s,
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but that's what it's become right now
where they're grounded.
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It's, uh, heartbreaking.
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(birds chirping)
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The 737 factory, it's a huge facility.
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My team worked on the factory floor,
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and we started seeing
a lot of quality issues.
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And that's when I was expressing
my concerns to the general manager.
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โช โช
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Problems started when senior executives
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were really trying to ramp up
production of the MAX.
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The plan is to build these planes
in a very organized way
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'cause it's a complicated product
and you have to do everything right.
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And because of this pressure,
this continued pressure to produce,
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because of Airbus,
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we're not doing that.
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MUILENBURG: We're seeing
a lot of, uh, narrow-body interest,
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so of course, uh, this week,
we'll be highlighting the MAX family.
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NEWSMAN: Cameras captured a great week
for Boeing in orders and commitments.
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MAN:
Singapore Airlines has committed to 30,
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-United Airlines to 20.
-(cameras clicking)
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GATES:
The MAX was very successful.
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It's the fastest-selling Boeing jet ever.
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MUILENBURG:
We got about 4,000
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737s in backlog.
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We're oversold.
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PIERSON: We were going from
building 47 planes in a month to 52.
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That's a lot of airplanes.
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MUILENBURG:
Every one and a half seconds,
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a 737 takes off
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-somewhere in the world.
-MAN 2: Right, and...
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-So, there goes another one.
-All right. -(laughter)
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So we would try to meet schedule,
and-and it started slipping.
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NEWSMAN 2: AerCap announced
an order for 100 737 MAX 8s.
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MAN 3: Well, it's looking pretty good.
Looks like, uh, another record year.
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PIERSON: Now we're having
to do work out of sequence,
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which adds risk.
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NEWSMAN 3:
Take a look at shares of Boeing.
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MUILENBURG:
Over the next 20 years,
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we see a need for about
41,000 new airplanes.
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MAN 4:
I'm about ready to move again.
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So I just move my pad,
and I have to keep pace, keep up.
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PIERSON: I've never seen
that kind of pressure put on people.
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And they started getting grilled,
you know, "How--
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"I thought you gave me your word you were
gonna be done yesterday, and your team--
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How come you're not off the plane?"
And somebody would make this mistake,
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and then the same mistake
would be made a day or two later.
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Y-You don't want people thinking like that
when they're building airplanes.
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I wrote a letter to the CEO saying,
"We could still do the right thing,
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but we need to stop
and give our people a chance to catch up."
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I wrote to the board of directors,
and I requested their assistance.
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"Yeah, we'll get in touch with you."
"We'll get back to you."
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Nothing, nothing.
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We'll meet this demand,
always raising the bar
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when it comes to safety,
quality and integrity.
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(sighs)
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(crickets chirping)
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PIERSON: I do know that,
you know, there might be people
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that will try to discredit me
or maybe challenge what I say, you know,
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and my response back is,
"Look, I have to do it."
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โช โช
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I need to explain that even a wonderful,
great company like Boeing
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can have problems.
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ERIC HAVIAN: There are many unfortunate
circumstances involving whistleblowers.
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Edward Snowden, he now lives in-in Russia.
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Chelsea Manning ended up in prison.
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Been a long road to get here, huh?
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HAVIAN:
Yeah, too long. (chuckles)
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Those are the names that you hear about,
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but there are many other whistleblowers
trying to speak out to make a difference.
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Doing okay, honey?
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I'm doing okay.
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HAVIAN:
Ed's going up against Boeing,
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one of the biggest employers
in Seattle area,
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and there are
some very well documented examples
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where Boeing has retaliated against people
who have gone against the company.
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-Thank you, sir.
-Thank you.
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00:27:12,006 --> 00:27:13,341
(elevator bell dings)
444
00:27:16,844 --> 00:27:19,555
Going down here. Down here?
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-CYNTHIA McFADDEN: Hi.
-Hi. How are you, Cynthia?
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Thank you for coming and doing this.
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00:27:22,850 --> 00:27:24,518
Thanks for inviting me. Appreciate it.
448
00:27:24,602 --> 00:27:29,732
Very good. So let's, um, let's ask
the documentary team to go.
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So, the name's out.
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The Wall Street Journal
is the one who got the leak.
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Right.
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HAVIAN:
Someone leaked Ed's identity,
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and now the press are calling Boeing,
and Boeing is preparing to say something.
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I can't answer questions like that ever
on behalf of the client,
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whether the answer is yes or no.
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People want to protect Boeing's flank.
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They think it's in their interest
to have Boeing get out there first
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before Ed's story is told.
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But of course,
I know you don't want to do that.
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In order for that not to happen, um,
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looks like the stories will go today
rather than tomorrow.
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(whispers):
I'm trying.
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Never a dull moment.
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McFADDEN: After 30 years in the military,
much of it spent in an airplane,
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Ed Pierson has a strong sense of duty.
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Bottom line is you're worried about
people dying in Boeing planes.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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McFADDEN:
But in late 2017,
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Ed Pierson says he started to see things
that alarmed him.
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(elevator bell dings)
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What words would you use
to describe that factory at that point?
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PIERSON:
Dangerous.
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Um, unnecessary.
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Taking unnecessary risks.
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Chaotic. Uh, um, disarray.
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McFADDEN:
Four months later, a Lion Air 737 MAX
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00:28:44,432 --> 00:28:49,186
(over TV):
crashed, killing all 189 people on board.
478
00:28:49,270 --> 00:28:54,191
What do you say to Americans
who are planning to fly on a 737?
479
00:28:54,275 --> 00:28:58,946
I would demand that the FAA,
in their role as regulators,
480
00:28:59,029 --> 00:29:01,574
go in, thoroughly investigate
that factory.
481
00:29:01,657 --> 00:29:05,494
LESTER HOLT: So, Cynthia,
what is Boeing saying about all this?
482
00:29:05,578 --> 00:29:08,205
McFADDEN: Well, Lester,
while the 737 MAX fleet are all grounded,
483
00:29:08,289 --> 00:29:12,668
there are more than 6,800
other 737s flying.
484
00:29:12,751 --> 00:29:15,087
Now, Boeing is
pushing back strongly tonight,
485
00:29:15,171 --> 00:29:20,009
saying that the 737 is one of the safest
planes flying, and they say, quote,
486
00:29:20,092 --> 00:29:23,762
"...the suggestion by Mr. Pierson
of a link between his concerns
487
00:29:23,846 --> 00:29:27,641
and the recent MAX accidents
is completely unfounded."
488
00:29:27,725 --> 00:29:30,978
And they say, so far,
no investigators have found, quote,
489
00:29:31,061 --> 00:29:35,900
"...production conditions in the factory
contributed to the accidents."
490
00:29:35,983 --> 00:29:37,067
Lester.
491
00:29:37,151 --> 00:29:39,153
-(indistinct chatter)
-(birds chirping)
492
00:29:40,946 --> 00:29:45,242
PETER DeFAZIO: After the first crash,
Boeing told us it was a one-off.
493
00:29:45,326 --> 00:29:47,161
The initial reports on the second crash
494
00:29:47,244 --> 00:29:50,831
sounded identical
to what happened in the first crash.
495
00:29:50,915 --> 00:29:55,211
And that just set off alarm bells with me,
saying, "No, wait a minute.
496
00:29:55,294 --> 00:29:57,630
Uh, there's something we don't know here."
497
00:29:58,923 --> 00:30:01,634
And that was when we began
the investigation.
498
00:30:03,636 --> 00:30:06,597
Almost like a court proceeding,
we-- first you go into discovery.
499
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,474
You need the documents.
500
00:30:08,557 --> 00:30:09,975
And then, once you get the documents,
501
00:30:10,059 --> 00:30:15,773
you identify, uh, key players
who need to be interviewed.
502
00:30:17,149 --> 00:30:18,400
-(cameras clicking)
-Morning.
503
00:30:18,484 --> 00:30:20,277
MUILENBURG: Good morning.
Good to be here with you this morning.
504
00:30:20,361 --> 00:30:21,445
Uh, thank you.
505
00:30:21,529 --> 00:30:23,948
Looking forward to, uh, today's hearing.
506
00:30:24,031 --> 00:30:26,242
REPORTER: They're gonna ask you,
apparently, about a manager
507
00:30:26,325 --> 00:30:29,370
who sought to halt the production
of the 737 MAX today.
508
00:30:29,453 --> 00:30:31,997
Did you know about anything like that?
509
00:30:32,081 --> 00:30:34,333
And what would your response be
to that now?
510
00:30:34,416 --> 00:30:37,503
Aware of that, and we've, uh,
taken on those concerns
511
00:30:37,586 --> 00:30:38,837
and address-- have addressed those.
512
00:30:38,921 --> 00:30:41,131
-(reporters clamoring)
-Thank you. Thank you.
513
00:30:44,802 --> 00:30:46,637
DeFAZIO:
I want to return to the market pressures,
514
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,432
the fact that you had to design a plane
that was more economical
515
00:30:50,516 --> 00:30:52,393
and couldn't require pilot training.
516
00:30:52,476 --> 00:30:56,772
I was taking on
a very powerful corporation.
517
00:30:56,855 --> 00:30:59,400
Mr. Chairman,
we'll follow up with that information.
518
00:30:59,483 --> 00:31:00,985
DeFAZIO:
They were resistant.
519
00:31:01,068 --> 00:31:02,820
Is anybody at Boeing taking a cut
520
00:31:02,903 --> 00:31:05,489
or working for free
to try to rectify this problem?
521
00:31:05,573 --> 00:31:08,325
My, uh, board will conduct
a comprehensive review that's...
522
00:31:08,409 --> 00:31:10,911
So you're saying you're not giving up
any compensation at all?
523
00:31:10,995 --> 00:31:14,331
You're continuing to work
and make $30 million a year?
524
00:31:15,583 --> 00:31:18,627
DeFAZIO: But we're gonna
see through with the investigation.
525
00:31:18,711 --> 00:31:21,297
We think the system is gonna work.
526
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:27,052
NEWSMAN: Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg
testified before a Senate committee.
527
00:31:27,136 --> 00:31:30,055
Boeing came to my office
shortly after these crashes
528
00:31:30,139 --> 00:31:33,142
and said they were the result
of pilot error.
529
00:31:33,225 --> 00:31:35,519
Those pilots never had a chance.
530
00:31:37,229 --> 00:31:38,897
MUILENBURG:
When we design a system,
531
00:31:38,981 --> 00:31:41,900
understand that these airplanes
are flown in the hands of pilots,
532
00:31:41,984 --> 00:31:44,945
and in some cases,
our system safety analysis includes
533
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:47,448
not only the engineering design but also
534
00:31:47,531 --> 00:31:52,578
the actions that, uh, pilots would take
as part of, uh, a failure scenario.
535
00:31:54,288 --> 00:31:56,957
GATES:
Blame the dead pilots.
536
00:31:57,041 --> 00:32:00,210
I-I'm continually astonished
that Boeing won't move from that.
537
00:32:02,046 --> 00:32:04,965
Especially once I started
digging up information about
538
00:32:05,049 --> 00:32:10,304
the MAX's new flight control system,
which is called the MCAS--
539
00:32:10,387 --> 00:32:14,016
the Maneuvering Characteristics
Augmentation System.
540
00:32:16,685 --> 00:32:18,020
Hey, it's Dominic.
541
00:32:18,103 --> 00:32:20,189
Uh, you got a minute?
542
00:32:20,272 --> 00:32:23,525
The name of it is an awful acronym
that tells you nothing.
543
00:32:23,609 --> 00:32:27,154
I find it astonishing
that you don't know about it.
544
00:32:27,237 --> 00:32:30,366
All we knew early on was that
MCAS was new flight control software
545
00:32:30,449 --> 00:32:32,910
that had been added to the MAX
546
00:32:32,993 --> 00:32:35,954
and that some flaw in it
had caused the crash.
547
00:32:39,166 --> 00:32:41,085
(jet engine whirring)
548
00:32:41,168 --> 00:32:45,923
GREEN: There's a big question about
how this airplane was designed.
549
00:32:46,006 --> 00:32:48,133
The history of this is freaking crazy.
550
00:32:48,217 --> 00:32:51,637
So the whole thing goes way back
to, like, the '60s.
551
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,723
MALE ANNOUNCER: Newest arrival
in the Boeing family of airliners,
552
00:32:54,807 --> 00:32:57,226
the 737 attracts a crowd.
553
00:32:57,309 --> 00:32:58,727
GREEN:
They want a short jet.
554
00:32:58,811 --> 00:33:03,774
They want a jet that people can get
onto and off of on a stairway,
555
00:33:03,857 --> 00:33:07,027
so they build the 737 low to the ground.
556
00:33:09,571 --> 00:33:13,617
So then, fast-forward to 2011...
557
00:33:16,578 --> 00:33:19,456
...they tacked on two new engines.
558
00:33:19,540 --> 00:33:23,627
The size of the engines meant
they're gonna be dragging on the ground,
559
00:33:23,711 --> 00:33:25,963
so they put them forward and up.
560
00:33:27,214 --> 00:33:30,259
The new engines are so big
that the air gets underneath
561
00:33:30,342 --> 00:33:36,056
and gives it an extra bit of lift,
so software automatically counters that.
562
00:33:36,140 --> 00:33:38,600
A sensor feeds
the flight control computer,
563
00:33:38,684 --> 00:33:41,145
and MCAS swivels the tail,
564
00:33:41,228 --> 00:33:43,731
pushing the jet's nose down.
565
00:33:50,112 --> 00:33:53,198
But the system was just too strong.
566
00:33:54,908 --> 00:33:58,287
Before the first crash,
the pilot began a fight
567
00:33:58,370 --> 00:34:00,873
against this system
that he didn't know about,
568
00:34:00,956 --> 00:34:03,917
pulling the nose up,
and he did it 26 times.
569
00:34:04,001 --> 00:34:07,504
And the plane was going
in a roller-coaster ride.
570
00:34:07,588 --> 00:34:10,048
(jet engine roaring)
571
00:34:12,926 --> 00:34:14,553
WOMAN (over P.A.):
Flight 892 is...
572
00:34:14,636 --> 00:34:17,514
GATES:
I actually talked to pilots,
573
00:34:17,598 --> 00:34:19,975
and they had a totally different story.
574
00:34:21,268 --> 00:34:24,772
Before the second crash,
Boeing sent a senior vice president
575
00:34:24,855 --> 00:34:26,565
down to American Airlines
576
00:34:26,648 --> 00:34:28,984
to brief the pilot union.
577
00:34:30,068 --> 00:34:33,280
And that turned into
a pretty rough meeting.
578
00:34:33,363 --> 00:34:37,242
DAN CAREY:
I wasn't going to stay in the meeting.
579
00:34:37,326 --> 00:34:39,912
It was the first time
Boeing visited APA headquarters.
580
00:34:39,995 --> 00:34:42,956
When we saw the list
of the Boeing personnel coming,
581
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,751
the one thing
that really jumped off the page
582
00:34:45,834 --> 00:34:48,587
was they were bringing their lawyer, so...
583
00:34:48,670 --> 00:34:51,256
I mean, who brings a lawyer
to a safety meeting?
584
00:34:51,340 --> 00:34:56,512
I just sensed that they were not
being direct or forthright.
585
00:34:58,055 --> 00:35:02,184
So, anyway, I just thought it would be
beneficial to record the meeting.
586
00:35:04,728 --> 00:35:08,899
MAN (recorded): So I-I guess what
I'll start with, then, is the control law
587
00:35:08,982 --> 00:35:11,693
that is referred to in the press right now
called MCAS.
588
00:35:11,777 --> 00:35:14,863
So it's just a little bit of software
in the flight control system.
589
00:35:14,947 --> 00:35:18,325
Obviously, in the accident
a couple of weeks ago,
590
00:35:18,408 --> 00:35:20,869
it's been reported that
the system misbehaved.
591
00:35:20,953 --> 00:35:23,872
I keep hearing those words,
"little," "little bit," "misbehave."
592
00:35:23,956 --> 00:35:26,124
It was like they were
describing it as a child.
593
00:35:26,208 --> 00:35:28,836
MAN (recorded): You know, a million miles
you're going to fly this airplane,
594
00:35:28,919 --> 00:35:30,796
and maybe once
you're going to see this ever.
595
00:35:30,879 --> 00:35:34,383
So we try not to overload the crews
with information that's unnecessary.
596
00:35:34,466 --> 00:35:37,803
And I don't know that
understanding this system
597
00:35:37,886 --> 00:35:40,806
would have changed the outcome of this.
598
00:35:40,889 --> 00:35:42,724
They didn't come in and go, "Look,
599
00:35:42,808 --> 00:35:45,811
"you've only got a handful of seconds
to get this right.
600
00:35:45,894 --> 00:35:47,896
"Okay, we didn't tell you about it.
We're very sorry.
601
00:35:47,980 --> 00:35:52,818
"But we want you to know going forward
that if you react quickly and get on this,
602
00:35:52,901 --> 00:35:54,695
that it's manageable."
603
00:35:54,778 --> 00:35:56,613
They didn't. They were like,
"Look, you know what to do."
604
00:35:58,115 --> 00:36:01,618
NEWSWOMAN: Just minutes from now,
lawmakers on Capitol Hill will hear from
605
00:36:01,702 --> 00:36:05,831
pilots who have criticized Boeing
in the wake of these two deadly crashes.
606
00:36:05,914 --> 00:36:07,791
NEWSMAN: I know Sully will be
the movie star in the room,
607
00:36:07,875 --> 00:36:09,293
but really look for Dan Carey.
608
00:36:09,376 --> 00:36:12,045
He's the head
of the Allied Pilots Association.
609
00:36:12,129 --> 00:36:15,883
As pilots know, improvements in aviation
are often-- too often--
610
00:36:15,966 --> 00:36:20,220
written in the blood of the unfortunate
victims of these airplane accidents.
611
00:36:20,304 --> 00:36:24,975
I got a subpoena from Congress,
so I released the tape.
612
00:36:25,058 --> 00:36:27,728
I knew there would be
some pretty heavy consequences.
613
00:36:27,811 --> 00:36:30,314
NEWSMAN 2: This audio recording,
more than anything else,
614
00:36:30,397 --> 00:36:35,193
has raised the specter of doubt
about the company and this aircraft.
615
00:36:35,277 --> 00:36:39,072
This is the first unscripted moment
we have heard from Boeing.
616
00:36:39,156 --> 00:36:41,658
CAREY: It was important for me
to get that tape out,
617
00:36:41,742 --> 00:36:45,370
and then I immediately turned it over
to Chairman DeFazio.
618
00:36:45,454 --> 00:36:48,248
DeFAZIO: There were
many false warnings simultaneously?
619
00:36:48,332 --> 00:36:49,541
SULLY SULLENBERGER:
Yes.
620
00:36:49,625 --> 00:36:51,585
A single fault, a single failure
621
00:36:51,668 --> 00:36:56,673
can now have cascading effects
rapidly through multiple systems.
622
00:36:56,757 --> 00:36:59,468
THOMAS MASSIE:
Do you think that better trained pilots
623
00:36:59,551 --> 00:37:02,387
should've been able
to handle the malfunctions?
624
00:37:02,471 --> 00:37:05,307
You have to remember, uh, sir,
and members of the panel,
625
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:08,185
this is a sudden, violent
and terrifying event.
626
00:37:08,268 --> 00:37:11,521
This airplane's pitching up and down,
rapidly and violently.
627
00:37:11,605 --> 00:37:15,442
There's bells, uh, warnings
and clackers, uh, sounding.
628
00:37:15,525 --> 00:37:19,279
Again, the failure was that they didn't
ever tell us the system existed,
629
00:37:19,363 --> 00:37:22,282
so therefore we did not have
robust training.
630
00:37:27,996 --> 00:37:30,832
WOMAN: I'd like first,
the family members who are on,
631
00:37:30,916 --> 00:37:33,335
that they could unmute themselves
and introduce themselves
632
00:37:33,418 --> 00:37:37,047
so that the media knows
who is, uh, who's on.
633
00:37:37,130 --> 00:37:40,759
Suzanne Camp.
I'm the mother of Micah Messent.
634
00:37:40,842 --> 00:37:43,345
I'm, uh, Matthieu Willm. I lost my sister.
635
00:37:43,428 --> 00:37:46,014
Tom Kabau. We lost our younger brother.
636
00:37:46,098 --> 00:37:49,101
My name is Paul Njoroge.
637
00:37:49,184 --> 00:37:50,852
I lost my wife and my three children
638
00:37:50,936 --> 00:37:54,147
and my mom-in-law
in the crash of Ethiopian Airlines.
639
00:37:54,231 --> 00:37:56,233
MAN:
He was traveling to Kenya.
640
00:37:56,316 --> 00:38:00,654
Nairobi would have been,
uh, just a, just a little stop,
641
00:38:00,737 --> 00:38:02,406
and she never arrived.
642
00:38:02,489 --> 00:38:04,783
My name is Zipporah Kuria,
643
00:38:04,866 --> 00:38:07,536
and I lost my dad.
644
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:15,711
(gearshift clicks)
645
00:38:15,794 --> 00:38:17,796
(elevator beeping)
646
00:38:22,009 --> 00:38:24,511
KURIA:
Go up. Go.
647
00:38:25,595 --> 00:38:27,014
Stop right there.
648
00:38:27,097 --> 00:38:29,433
Yeah, if we, if we can edit this.
649
00:38:29,516 --> 00:38:32,686
If it-- if we just put,
"For the first six minutes,
650
00:38:32,769 --> 00:38:36,940
"the pilot struggled to control
the 737 MAX 8
651
00:38:37,024 --> 00:38:39,651
before it then crashed."
652
00:38:39,735 --> 00:38:43,613
I'm a bit younger than
most of the family members,
653
00:38:43,697 --> 00:38:47,200
so we're all just kind of
streamlining our different skill.
654
00:38:48,744 --> 00:38:52,622
I kind of know how to work social media
and for the website.
655
00:38:54,875 --> 00:38:58,712
-My favorite feature
is the "Our Stories" page. -Mm.
656
00:39:00,964 --> 00:39:02,174
KURIA:
We are family.
657
00:39:02,257 --> 00:39:08,388
Like, we're the ET302 family
whether we want to be part of it or not.
658
00:39:12,267 --> 00:39:16,229
In a way, it's like they shared...
shared blood.
659
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:21,818
-(blows)
-(laughs)
660
00:39:21,902 --> 00:39:24,154
(laughter)
661
00:39:26,490 --> 00:39:28,533
DARCY BELANGER:
Hi. Good morning, everyone.
662
00:39:28,617 --> 00:39:30,035
It is an early start today.
663
00:39:30,118 --> 00:39:32,454
I am in Washington, D.C., on a layover.
664
00:39:32,537 --> 00:39:36,792
I'm heading to the United Nations
Environment Assembly.
665
00:39:36,875 --> 00:39:38,877
Uh, so, uh, I'll check in again.
666
00:39:39,961 --> 00:39:42,547
We don't know where I'll be--
maybe Ethiopia,
667
00:39:42,631 --> 00:39:44,800
maybe my final destination, Kenya--
668
00:39:44,883 --> 00:39:46,885
but I'll keep you posted on the journey.
669
00:39:46,968 --> 00:39:49,179
Have a great day.
670
00:39:49,262 --> 00:39:54,142
KURIA: You can see the stories of,
like, my dad, Joseph Kuria Waithaka,
671
00:39:54,226 --> 00:39:58,522
age 55, and you can see
a little bit about him and who he was.
672
00:39:58,605 --> 00:39:59,815
Hi, guys.
673
00:39:59,898 --> 00:40:03,860
This is me and Olivia's diary of
"Don't take your family to your gym."
674
00:40:03,944 --> 00:40:06,071
Dad, how many calories have you burnt now?
675
00:40:06,154 --> 00:40:07,948
-WAITHAKA: 31.
-31 only?
676
00:40:08,031 --> 00:40:09,991
And how long have you been doing it for?
677
00:40:10,075 --> 00:40:11,743
(whispers):
He doesn't like it.
678
00:40:11,827 --> 00:40:14,371
How long have you been doing it for?
679
00:40:14,454 --> 00:40:16,456
โช โช
680
00:40:18,583 --> 00:40:21,962
I remember dreaming about
my dad screaming for me,
681
00:40:22,045 --> 00:40:26,383
being sat next to him on the plane,
but his section falling
682
00:40:26,466 --> 00:40:30,387
and me trying to reach out and grab him.
683
00:40:35,851 --> 00:40:41,523
I wonder how the people who were behind
making the decisions go to sleep at night.
684
00:40:42,524 --> 00:40:45,652
(voice breaking):
I can count how many nights I go to sleep
685
00:40:45,735 --> 00:40:48,155
and just have clean sleep
686
00:40:48,238 --> 00:40:51,992
without imagining what was happening
687
00:40:52,075 --> 00:40:55,453
in those last six minutes
of my dad's life.
688
00:40:56,788 --> 00:41:01,585
Like seeing the ground
coming toward you so close.
689
00:41:01,668 --> 00:41:04,671
(jet engine rumbling, fading)
690
00:41:25,483 --> 00:41:28,320
โช โช
691
00:41:28,403 --> 00:41:30,947
NEWSMAN: Tonight, a rare
and stark admission of fault
692
00:41:31,031 --> 00:41:33,533
from the world's biggest airplane maker.
693
00:41:33,617 --> 00:41:35,202
MUILENBURG:
We at Boeing are sorry
694
00:41:35,285 --> 00:41:38,830
for the lives lost
in the recent 737 MAX accidents.
695
00:41:38,914 --> 00:41:40,999
The Boeing argument was,
696
00:41:41,082 --> 00:41:43,960
"We've informed everybody
how to handle it,
697
00:41:44,044 --> 00:41:48,506
and we're working on a software fix
which we will have very soon."
698
00:41:48,590 --> 00:41:52,886
NEWSMAN 2: Boeing says MAX pilots can
learn the new system in just 30 minutes.
699
00:41:52,969 --> 00:41:55,180
That's-that's just ridiculous.
700
00:41:55,263 --> 00:41:59,017
We're taking a comprehensive,
disciplined approach
701
00:41:59,100 --> 00:42:03,521
and taking the time
to get the software update right.
702
00:42:03,605 --> 00:42:07,943
We're nearing completion and anticipate
its certification and implementation
703
00:42:08,026 --> 00:42:12,155
on the 737 MAX fleet worldwide
in the weeks ahead.
704
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,993
We remain confident
in the fundamental safety of the 737 MAX.
705
00:42:17,077 --> 00:42:19,079
(birds chirping)
706
00:42:29,422 --> 00:42:32,842
PIERSON: People think
that the problem was only software,
707
00:42:32,926 --> 00:42:38,848
but Boeing is controlling the narrative:
"Look here. Don't look here."
708
00:42:40,016 --> 00:42:42,519
It's easier for them
to talk about pilot training,
709
00:42:42,602 --> 00:42:44,437
'cause they can blame it
on human mistakes,
710
00:42:44,521 --> 00:42:47,315
and the software,
'cause we'll just make a software patch
711
00:42:47,399 --> 00:42:49,734
and we'll send it out, you know,
712
00:42:49,818 --> 00:42:51,653
but there's other issues,
713
00:42:51,736 --> 00:42:53,530
unanswered questions
that are not being addressed.
714
00:42:55,407 --> 00:42:57,367
Why did the plane crash?
715
00:42:57,450 --> 00:42:59,953
It crashed 'cause the pilots lost control.
716
00:43:00,036 --> 00:43:01,454
Why did the pilots lose control?
717
00:43:02,872 --> 00:43:06,084
'Cause MCAS software was
pitching the plane down repeatedly.
718
00:43:07,168 --> 00:43:08,461
Why was that happening?
719
00:43:10,130 --> 00:43:13,049
'Cause the angle of attack sensor failed.
720
00:43:16,886 --> 00:43:18,888
But why'd the sensor fail?
721
00:43:23,310 --> 00:43:25,729
People think it's software,
but it's actually hardware.
722
00:43:27,314 --> 00:43:29,190
It's a three-pound physical part
723
00:43:29,274 --> 00:43:33,653
that's been installed on hundreds
if not thousands of planes.
724
00:43:34,738 --> 00:43:36,698
GATES:
The angle of attack is the angle
725
00:43:36,781 --> 00:43:39,951
basically between the wing
and the incoming airflow,
726
00:43:40,035 --> 00:43:43,955
and the angle of attack sensor
was giving a wrong signal.
727
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:46,499
In fact, it was giving
an impossible signal.
728
00:43:46,583 --> 00:43:48,585
GREEN:
74.5 degrees nose up.
729
00:43:48,668 --> 00:43:50,795
ROSE:
Isn't 74 degrees, like,
730
00:43:50,879 --> 00:43:53,298
beyond the pale of any normal...
731
00:43:53,381 --> 00:43:55,425
GREEN: You're right.
An airplane can't fly at 74.5 de--
732
00:43:55,508 --> 00:43:56,968
You'd have to be a rocket ship.
733
00:43:57,052 --> 00:43:59,262
ROSE:
So even though the plane was flying
734
00:43:59,346 --> 00:44:02,098
at a safe angle of attack,
because of this bad sensor,
735
00:44:02,182 --> 00:44:04,851
the MCAS system thought
it was higher up like that
736
00:44:04,934 --> 00:44:06,811
and was programming the nose to go down.
737
00:44:06,895 --> 00:44:09,272
If this was truly the-the angle of attack,
they've got...
738
00:44:09,356 --> 00:44:11,232
-Bigger problems. (chuckles)
-They got way bigger problems.
739
00:44:13,443 --> 00:44:15,945
PIERSON: The MAX was not
the only plane being built at the factory.
740
00:44:17,614 --> 00:44:21,034
Makes you wonder: Are there other sensors
out there that have the same defect?
741
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:29,834
And so, if that's all they're gonna do--
fix the software and the pilot training--
742
00:44:29,918 --> 00:44:32,504
then I think the flying public
needs to ask why.
743
00:44:36,007 --> 00:44:38,802
GATES: Whistleblowers from
inside Boeing stepping forward
744
00:44:38,885 --> 00:44:41,721
has always been
my best source of information.
745
00:44:44,391 --> 00:44:45,850
Over the years, that's how I've learned
746
00:44:45,934 --> 00:44:48,728
what's really going wrong
inside the company.
747
00:44:51,231 --> 00:44:52,440
I'm for the little guy.
748
00:44:52,524 --> 00:44:57,070
I'm not for-- obviously,
for the large, powerful corporation.
749
00:44:57,153 --> 00:45:00,240
So-- That I know
has severe problems internally.
750
00:45:00,323 --> 00:45:06,287
GATES:
Gerry Eastman approached me in 2003,
751
00:45:06,371 --> 00:45:09,124
years before the MAX crashes,
752
00:45:09,207 --> 00:45:13,711
angry about how management
was running the company into the ground
753
00:45:13,795 --> 00:45:16,131
and about safety issues.
754
00:45:16,214 --> 00:45:18,508
My boss had this meeting with me
and told me not to do my job,
755
00:45:18,591 --> 00:45:20,301
to just stamp the paperwork off.
756
00:45:20,385 --> 00:45:22,262
Of course, I knew that was bogus.
757
00:45:22,345 --> 00:45:24,848
GATES:
He had access to documents
758
00:45:24,931 --> 00:45:28,309
he wasn't supposed to have access to,
but he did.
759
00:45:28,393 --> 00:45:30,478
I mean, you're talking about
760
00:45:30,562 --> 00:45:33,398
the second biggest defense contractor
in the United States
761
00:45:33,481 --> 00:45:36,276
with big cyber capabilities. (chuckles)
762
00:45:36,359 --> 00:45:37,569
And this machinist
763
00:45:37,652 --> 00:45:43,825
was logging in to the presentations
of the CEO
764
00:45:43,908 --> 00:45:46,661
and giving them to me. (laughs)
765
00:45:48,997 --> 00:45:52,792
I repeatedly told Gerry,
"Look, be careful."
766
00:45:54,043 --> 00:45:55,837
He just completely ignored me.
767
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,673
NEWSWOMAN:
Eastman worked for Boeing for 18 years.
768
00:45:58,756 --> 00:46:00,508
He was arrested at his desk.
769
00:46:00,592 --> 00:46:02,552
He's been charged with
computer trespassing,
770
00:46:02,635 --> 00:46:06,055
and, if convicted,
he faces up to four years in prison.
771
00:46:06,139 --> 00:46:09,267
GATES: Anybody who worked at Boeing
who talked to me privately
772
00:46:09,350 --> 00:46:12,187
is breaking the company rules
773
00:46:12,270 --> 00:46:14,647
and is in serious trouble.
774
00:46:14,731 --> 00:46:16,691
NEWSMAN: Gerald Eastman
was in King County court today
775
00:46:16,774 --> 00:46:19,527
for his arraignment,
where he pleaded not guilty.
776
00:46:19,611 --> 00:46:23,198
He says Boeing was not taking
his safety concerns seriously
777
00:46:23,281 --> 00:46:25,867
and that is why he went public
with what he found.
778
00:46:25,950 --> 00:46:29,537
You know, I got together,
you know, and said to my wife, I said...
779
00:46:29,621 --> 00:46:31,122
(sighs heavily)
780
00:46:31,206 --> 00:46:35,710
"I have to go public, you know, so--
regardless of the threat to me."
781
00:46:36,961 --> 00:46:40,882
GATES: After he was arrested,
he settled with Boeing
782
00:46:40,965 --> 00:46:42,884
and he never worked in aerospace again.
783
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,597
I didn't hear from him in a long time,
784
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,474
and I wondered, "What's going on?"
785
00:46:49,557 --> 00:46:52,519
I was worried.
786
00:46:52,602 --> 00:46:56,439
Later, I learned from a friend of his
787
00:46:56,523 --> 00:46:58,900
that he had taken his own life.
788
00:46:59,901 --> 00:47:01,861
NEWSWOMAN 2:
Do you ever look back and say,
789
00:47:01,945 --> 00:47:03,613
"I wish I would've just
kept my mouth shut"?
790
00:47:03,696 --> 00:47:04,989
(sighs) No.
791
00:47:05,073 --> 00:47:09,452
There's-there's thousands of people like--
at Boeing that do that every day,
792
00:47:09,536 --> 00:47:11,579
and some of us have to step forward.
793
00:47:25,093 --> 00:47:26,803
(vehicle alarm chirps)
794
00:47:32,684 --> 00:47:34,227
(engine starts)
795
00:47:37,605 --> 00:47:39,649
โช โช
796
00:47:43,861 --> 00:47:46,281
MICHELLE PIERSON:
I'm anxious.
797
00:47:46,364 --> 00:47:51,160
We have friends and family that work
or have worked at Boeing,
798
00:47:51,244 --> 00:47:55,164
and-and my dad worked at Boeing
after he retired from the Navy as well,
799
00:47:55,248 --> 00:47:59,711
and we felt proud to be part of that.
800
00:48:01,170 --> 00:48:05,258
And so this is hard
'cause you feel like you're squealing.
801
00:48:05,341 --> 00:48:07,260
And I know it's not. He's not.
802
00:48:07,343 --> 00:48:08,678
He's just trying to shed light
on something
803
00:48:08,761 --> 00:48:10,638
that can be made better and safer.
804
00:48:13,891 --> 00:48:17,228
But I'm hoping that people understand
805
00:48:17,312 --> 00:48:19,897
the reasons behind why he's doing this.
806
00:48:31,409 --> 00:48:34,162
KURIA: It would be different if you knew
this was a one-off, this is it,
807
00:48:34,245 --> 00:48:36,539
this is the last time this would happen.
808
00:48:38,541 --> 00:48:41,961
But there's the angst and anticipation
for another crash to happen.
809
00:48:47,133 --> 00:48:51,554
This first six minutes of every flight
are extremely difficult.
810
00:48:53,097 --> 00:48:55,516
Not just for me but for all the families.
811
00:48:58,102 --> 00:49:01,648
Every time there's turbulence,
the first thought is,
812
00:49:01,731 --> 00:49:04,067
"Is this the end?
813
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:06,152
"Like...
814
00:49:06,235 --> 00:49:08,404
am I gonna die?"
815
00:49:11,783 --> 00:49:15,203
But my dad would go anywhere for me.
816
00:49:15,286 --> 00:49:17,205
That's why I have to go.
817
00:49:20,249 --> 00:49:23,002
To make sure that the world knows
818
00:49:23,086 --> 00:49:26,339
planes are not as safe
as we think they are.
819
00:49:27,340 --> 00:49:30,218
(electronic bell chimes)
820
00:49:30,301 --> 00:49:32,595
โช โช
821
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:40,269
(electronic bell chimes)
822
00:49:40,353 --> 00:49:43,231
PILOT (over P.A.): Folks, we'd like
to welcome all of you to Washington, D.C.
823
00:49:43,314 --> 00:49:45,441
(indistinct chatter)
824
00:49:50,279 --> 00:49:51,406
So glad you're here.
825
00:49:51,489 --> 00:49:52,657
-Good to see you.
-Yeah.
826
00:49:52,740 --> 00:49:54,242
-We made it, guys.
-Yeah. -Yeah.
827
00:49:54,325 --> 00:49:56,494
We made it.
828
00:49:56,577 --> 00:50:00,832
I've met so many families
from 35 different countries.
829
00:50:00,915 --> 00:50:05,002
We see the same pain in each other's eyes.
830
00:50:07,088 --> 00:50:10,425
PAUL NJOROGE:
While all your lives moved on,
831
00:50:10,508 --> 00:50:13,094
for the last six months, our lives,
832
00:50:13,177 --> 00:50:15,471
the lives of the families of the victims
833
00:50:15,555 --> 00:50:17,682
has not moved an inch.
834
00:50:19,016 --> 00:50:23,896
KURIA: Grief, loss and pain are a
universal language that everybody speaks.
835
00:50:25,189 --> 00:50:27,358
JOAN VINCENT:
Grief has been, uh, profound,
836
00:50:27,442 --> 00:50:31,487
and, uh, I feel best when I'm outdoors.
837
00:50:31,571 --> 00:50:34,532
My daughter was a... a conservationist.
838
00:50:35,825 --> 00:50:36,868
(sobs softly)
839
00:50:36,951 --> 00:50:40,163
(voice breaking): And I know
that was her, um, happy place.
840
00:50:41,748 --> 00:50:46,169
KURIA: And I think that the way
that we can fight for their legacy...
841
00:50:47,837 --> 00:50:51,215
...is to make sure that no other family
is in the same position as we are.
842
00:50:54,677 --> 00:50:56,971
DeFAZIO:
The families, they're critical,
843
00:50:57,054 --> 00:51:00,683
putting a face on these crashes.
844
00:51:02,935 --> 00:51:05,646
Since the plane was built here,
845
00:51:05,730 --> 00:51:07,607
since the plane was certified here,
846
00:51:07,690 --> 00:51:12,445
they knew that they had to focus
on the United States government
847
00:51:12,528 --> 00:51:15,573
and on Boeing to fix this problem.
848
00:51:16,574 --> 00:51:19,452
CHRIS MOORE: It was quite evident
that things were rushed.
849
00:51:19,535 --> 00:51:23,206
In fact, they were continuing to make
the airplanes after the second crash.
850
00:51:23,289 --> 00:51:26,876
That's the biggest slap in the face
to every single family.
851
00:51:26,959 --> 00:51:30,505
KURIA:
My mission out of this is
852
00:51:30,588 --> 00:51:33,216
to make sure that,
when people get on a flight,
853
00:51:33,299 --> 00:51:36,469
that they get off on the other side.
854
00:51:45,102 --> 00:51:48,189
PIERSON: There's a lot of, lot of,
lot of things swirling around in my head.
855
00:51:48,272 --> 00:51:49,857
It's...
856
00:51:55,822 --> 00:51:58,324
It has been a-- I have-- it's been--
857
00:51:58,407 --> 00:52:00,952
I've been obsessed by it,
and I-I didn't really intend to be.
858
00:52:01,035 --> 00:52:02,370
I'm not-- I don't consider myself...
859
00:52:02,453 --> 00:52:03,955
MICHELLE: That's the first time
I've heard you say that.
860
00:52:04,038 --> 00:52:07,375
Well, I know I've been obsessed with
kind of-- 'cause I want to, you know...
861
00:52:09,168 --> 00:52:11,337
...make sure it never happens again.
862
00:52:11,420 --> 00:52:12,547
So...
863
00:52:16,008 --> 00:52:18,010
โช โช
864
00:52:25,601 --> 00:52:31,357
I still have nightmares, but fighting back
has been a powerful motivator.
865
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,818
-I mean, I'm finally getting it, but...
-MICHELLE: Just one more step.
866
00:52:33,901 --> 00:52:36,195
Yeah. I know.
867
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,951
I'd like to think that the families know
that there's people out there
868
00:52:42,034 --> 00:52:44,370
that are still trying to get to the truth.
869
00:52:51,043 --> 00:52:54,046
NEWSMAN: Today, appearing before
the House Transportation Committee
870
00:52:54,130 --> 00:52:57,174
is a Boeing whistleblower, Edward Pierson.
871
00:52:57,258 --> 00:53:01,846
Pierson says he thinks that production
problems contributed to the MAX crashes.
872
00:53:01,929 --> 00:53:04,307
KURIA:
We need answers,
873
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:09,437
we need accountability, and we need
someone to take responsibility.
874
00:53:13,900 --> 00:53:16,485
HAVIAN:
The reporters will try to question you.
875
00:53:16,569 --> 00:53:19,322
They'll shout questions at you
that'll be provocative.
876
00:53:19,405 --> 00:53:21,073
Don't respond to it.
877
00:53:21,157 --> 00:53:23,618
-(busy chatter)
-(cameras clicking)
878
00:53:26,954 --> 00:53:28,789
MICHELLE:
You're gonna do this right now?
879
00:53:28,873 --> 00:53:31,208
HAVIAN: Guys, if you could give him
some space, that would be great.
880
00:53:31,292 --> 00:53:33,419
Can we just have a moment?
881
00:53:33,502 --> 00:53:34,587
Yeah.
882
00:53:37,506 --> 00:53:39,717
-Why did the FAA not...
-(busy chatter continues)
883
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:41,802
-You're gonna have to ask them...
-MICHELLE: We're coming in.
884
00:53:47,016 --> 00:53:49,435
PIERSON:
My name is Ed Pierson.
885
00:53:49,518 --> 00:53:51,520
I would first like to provide
my heartfelt condolences
886
00:53:51,604 --> 00:53:54,148
for all the families and friends
who lost loved ones
887
00:53:54,231 --> 00:53:57,860
on Lion Air Flight 610
and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302.
888
00:53:57,944 --> 00:54:01,364
Your loss and grief
are truly unimaginable.
889
00:54:02,573 --> 00:54:05,409
I believe production problems
at the Renton factory
890
00:54:05,493 --> 00:54:08,454
may have contributed
to these two tragic crashes.
891
00:54:08,537 --> 00:54:13,167
I formally warned Boeing leadership
in writing on multiple occasions,
892
00:54:13,250 --> 00:54:16,170
specifically once before
the Lion Air crash
893
00:54:16,253 --> 00:54:18,506
and again before
the Ethiopian Airlines crash,
894
00:54:18,589 --> 00:54:20,925
about potential airplane risk.
895
00:54:21,008 --> 00:54:23,302
Those warnings were ignored.
896
00:54:23,386 --> 00:54:27,598
On June 9, 2018, while the Lion Air
airplane was being produced,
897
00:54:27,682 --> 00:54:29,517
four months before it crashed,
898
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,520
I wrote an email
to the 737 general manager
899
00:54:32,603 --> 00:54:35,773
advising him to shut down
the production line.
900
00:54:35,856 --> 00:54:38,609
When I mentioned that I've seen
operations in the military
901
00:54:38,693 --> 00:54:42,196
shut down for lesser safety concerns,
902
00:54:42,279 --> 00:54:45,282
I will never forget his response,
which was,
903
00:54:45,366 --> 00:54:47,702
"The military isn't
a profit-making organization."
904
00:54:47,785 --> 00:54:50,121
(quiet murmuring, gasping)
905
00:54:50,204 --> 00:54:53,165
Less than a month later,
on March 10, 2019,
906
00:54:53,249 --> 00:54:58,254
Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 crashed,
killing 157 people.
907
00:54:59,630 --> 00:55:02,383
The U.S. regulators' investigation
of these crashes
908
00:55:02,466 --> 00:55:04,260
has been as disappointing
as Boeing's insistence
909
00:55:04,343 --> 00:55:06,679
that it had no systemic quality
or safety issues.
910
00:55:08,347 --> 00:55:10,516
Thank you again
for providing me this opportunity.
911
00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:12,268
I'm ready to answer your questions.
912
00:55:12,351 --> 00:55:15,938
Okay. I recognize, uh,
Representative Norton.
913
00:55:16,022 --> 00:55:18,274
ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON:
Would you favor the FAA going farther
914
00:55:18,357 --> 00:55:22,737
and doing an investigation
of U.S. Boeing factories?
915
00:55:22,820 --> 00:55:24,155
PIERSON:
I fully support that.
916
00:55:24,238 --> 00:55:27,491
I was there for three years,
and-and honestly I never saw--
917
00:55:27,575 --> 00:55:30,619
I never met an FAA employee
in my three years.
918
00:55:30,703 --> 00:55:33,247
And I never actually remember
any of my employees
919
00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:34,999
saying they talked to an FAA employee.
920
00:55:35,082 --> 00:55:38,335
Now, they may have been there, but they
certainly weren't visible and present.
921
00:55:38,419 --> 00:55:41,422
And I-I really think that's necessary.
922
00:55:41,505 --> 00:55:44,967
Uh, I'm gonna suggest that, uh, as, uh--
following this hearing.
923
00:55:45,051 --> 00:55:49,680
It is gonna be on us
if we do not take the steps
924
00:55:49,764 --> 00:55:53,184
to systematically look at Boeing factories
across the United States.
925
00:55:53,267 --> 00:55:54,477
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
926
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,771
โช โช
927
00:55:56,854 --> 00:55:58,856
(cameras clicking)
928
00:56:04,153 --> 00:56:06,864
DeFAZIO:
The Federal Aviation Administration,
929
00:56:06,947 --> 00:56:11,160
they are tasked with the job
of keeping the public safe
930
00:56:11,243 --> 00:56:15,539
and, uh, making sure
that things that we certify to fly
931
00:56:15,623 --> 00:56:18,959
are gonna fly and not crash.
932
00:56:19,043 --> 00:56:20,961
WOMAN:
Administrator Dickson, you're our hope.
933
00:56:21,045 --> 00:56:23,255
You are our hope.
934
00:56:23,339 --> 00:56:26,926
STEVE DICKSON: Aviation's hard lessons and
the hard work in response to those lessons
935
00:56:27,009 --> 00:56:29,386
have paved the way
to creating a global aviation system
936
00:56:29,470 --> 00:56:31,889
with an enviable safety record.
937
00:56:31,972 --> 00:56:33,849
But we recognize that
938
00:56:33,933 --> 00:56:35,851
safety is a journey, not a destination,
939
00:56:35,935 --> 00:56:37,937
and we must build on the lessons learned,
940
00:56:38,020 --> 00:56:41,607
and we must never allow ourselves
to become complacent.
941
00:56:41,690 --> 00:56:44,944
Thank you, and I'm happy
to take your questions.
942
00:56:45,027 --> 00:56:49,198
Mr. Dickson, um, do you know
who Ed Pierson is?
943
00:56:49,281 --> 00:56:52,284
DICKSON: Uh, I have not met him
personally, but I know, I know of him.
944
00:56:52,368 --> 00:56:53,744
-He's sitting right over there.
-Yeah.
945
00:56:53,828 --> 00:56:56,956
SEAN MALONEY: I mean, are you aware
that four months before the first crash,
946
00:56:57,039 --> 00:56:58,582
he brought these problems
to Boeing's attention?
947
00:56:58,666 --> 00:57:00,584
Are you aware of that, gentlemen?
948
00:57:00,668 --> 00:57:02,628
-Four months before the first crash.
-I know that there were, uh, con--
949
00:57:02,711 --> 00:57:04,672
yes, that, uh, that concerns
were raised, yes.
950
00:57:04,755 --> 00:57:07,174
MALONEY:
That's right. And you know what they did?
951
00:57:07,258 --> 00:57:10,845
They sat on it until a second plane crash.
952
00:57:10,928 --> 00:57:12,346
That's what happened.
953
00:57:12,429 --> 00:57:14,473
A bunch more people lost their lives.
954
00:57:14,557 --> 00:57:16,600
So my question to you is:
955
00:57:16,684 --> 00:57:20,437
Will you investigate the production
problems at the Renton facility?
956
00:57:20,521 --> 00:57:24,817
Uh, I know that there's ongoing activity
through our-our, uh, our oversight.
957
00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:26,569
MALONEY: Sir, sir, I'm sorry,
that's not good enough.
958
00:57:26,652 --> 00:57:29,905
Are we gonna interview the production
workers at the Renton facility?
959
00:57:29,989 --> 00:57:31,448
Is it gonna be a real thing?
960
00:57:31,532 --> 00:57:34,076
DICKSON: You have my commitment
that we are looking into those problems
961
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,120
and we will continue to do so.
962
00:57:36,203 --> 00:57:39,039
Will you commit, as we sit here today,
that you will interview Mr. Pierson?
963
00:57:39,123 --> 00:57:40,124
Absolutely.
964
00:57:40,207 --> 00:57:41,709
MALONEY:
Will you, will you investigate
965
00:57:41,792 --> 00:57:44,461
-the production problems
at the Renton facility? -Yes.
966
00:57:46,297 --> 00:57:48,757
The committee stands adjourned.
967
00:57:48,841 --> 00:57:50,467
(indistinct chatter)
968
00:57:50,551 --> 00:57:53,179
(camera clicking)
969
00:57:58,767 --> 00:58:01,228
Thank you so much. That took courage.
970
00:58:02,605 --> 00:58:04,815
You're doing the right thing
by making sure it gets fixed
971
00:58:04,899 --> 00:58:07,067
and no other family has to
go through this. Thank you.
972
00:58:07,151 --> 00:58:08,360
Thank you.
973
00:58:08,444 --> 00:58:09,904
-Thank you very much, sir.
-Yeah.
974
00:58:09,987 --> 00:58:11,572
Thank you.
975
00:58:11,655 --> 00:58:13,657
-(indistinct chatter)
-(cameras clicking)
976
00:58:14,825 --> 00:58:17,494
HAVIAN: If you could give him some space,
that would be great.
977
00:58:17,578 --> 00:58:19,872
Happy to-- if you have any questions,
I'm happy to answer them for you,
978
00:58:19,955 --> 00:58:21,665
but I think that's all for today.
979
00:58:25,628 --> 00:58:28,047
Well, nobody wants to fly on those planes.
980
00:58:28,130 --> 00:58:29,590
That was really amazing.
981
00:58:29,673 --> 00:58:33,177
PIERSON: The FAA just got directed
to go and-and investigate the factory.
982
00:58:35,596 --> 00:58:37,598
And, yeah, this was a big win.
983
00:58:44,188 --> 00:58:46,106
NEWSWOMAN:
The story we are following tonight:
984
00:58:46,190 --> 00:58:48,484
Boeing has fired its CEO,
Dennis Muilenburg.
985
00:58:48,567 --> 00:58:52,238
NEWSMAN: Muilenburg had presided over one
of the worst years in Boeing's history.
986
00:58:52,321 --> 00:58:55,950
REPORTER: 346 people died.
Can you answer a few questions?
987
00:58:56,033 --> 00:58:57,868
NEWSWOMAN 2:
How much did he walk away with?
988
00:58:57,952 --> 00:59:00,287
(over computer):
$62.2 million.
989
00:59:00,371 --> 00:59:03,999
That may sound like a lot,
but he's not taking his 2019 bonus.
990
00:59:04,083 --> 00:59:06,585
But the new guy, the new CEO,
David Calhoun,
991
00:59:06,669 --> 00:59:08,587
he will be making 1.4 million
992
00:59:08,671 --> 00:59:12,591
with the added benefit
of making millions more in bonuses,
993
00:59:12,675 --> 00:59:15,261
including seven million--
just seven million alone--
994
00:59:15,344 --> 00:59:17,304
if he gets the MAX back in the air.
995
00:59:17,388 --> 00:59:19,306
And since we're talking about...
996
00:59:19,390 --> 00:59:22,768
KURIA:
There is no remorse in this for Boeing.
997
00:59:22,851 --> 00:59:25,229
Just financial targets.
998
00:59:25,312 --> 00:59:27,523
And I think for me,
999
00:59:27,606 --> 00:59:32,861
thinking about Muilenburg and my dad,
1000
00:59:32,945 --> 00:59:36,782
knowing they were two men
born the same year,
1001
00:59:36,865 --> 00:59:42,955
one is living a lavish lifestyle
with millions of dollars,
1002
00:59:43,038 --> 00:59:45,833
and the other paid for it with his blood.
1003
00:59:48,168 --> 00:59:50,671
โช โช
1004
00:59:55,801 --> 00:59:58,387
GREEN: So the FAA is under fire,
and I think rightfully so,
1005
00:59:58,470 --> 01:00:02,349
but it's crazy because the--
Boeing's main defense
1006
01:00:02,433 --> 01:00:07,021
is that it can't be liable because
the airplane is certified by the FAA.
1007
01:00:07,104 --> 01:00:09,690
ROSE: Every plane that's ever crashed
has been certified.
1008
01:00:09,773 --> 01:00:12,234
-Right.
-So that kind of answers the question,
1009
01:00:12,318 --> 01:00:14,528
uh, no, certification is not safety.
1010
01:00:14,611 --> 01:00:16,030
GREEN:
The FAA's position
1011
01:00:16,113 --> 01:00:21,535
is that the certification standard should
provide immunity to-to the manufacturer,
1012
01:00:21,618 --> 01:00:25,497
but the FAA's position
also is that manufacturers,
1013
01:00:25,581 --> 01:00:30,294
their responsibility extends beyond
just meeting the certification standards.
1014
01:00:30,377 --> 01:00:32,254
MEGAN BENETT:
If the only pressure
1015
01:00:32,338 --> 01:00:35,257
on your profit margin is legal liability,
1016
01:00:35,341 --> 01:00:39,094
and if you remove the risk of legal
liability, because once it's certified,
1017
01:00:39,178 --> 01:00:41,513
you're no longer
going to be able to be sued
1018
01:00:41,597 --> 01:00:45,017
by people who are killed
or injured by your aircraft,
1019
01:00:45,100 --> 01:00:47,519
there's no longer any motivation
for the aircraft companies,
1020
01:00:47,603 --> 01:00:50,689
for the designers, the manufacturers,
to design anything safely.
1021
01:00:50,773 --> 01:00:54,109
The only motivation is
to design something that's certifiable.
1022
01:00:54,193 --> 01:00:55,277
It doesn't really make sense.
1023
01:00:55,361 --> 01:00:58,197
Then there is no--
there's no safety for the flying public.
1024
01:01:00,115 --> 01:01:02,117
(jet engine roaring in distance)
1025
01:01:14,713 --> 01:01:16,673
-HAVIAN: We got to go.
-PIERSON: Yeah, we got to go.
1026
01:01:16,757 --> 01:01:18,092
-MICHELLE: Okay.
-All right, babe.
1027
01:01:18,175 --> 01:01:20,344
-Okay.
-I will call you when we can,
1028
01:01:20,427 --> 01:01:22,054
-and we'll-- Okay.
-Good luck.
1029
01:01:22,137 --> 01:01:23,389
Love you.
1030
01:01:27,309 --> 01:01:28,352
(sighs)
1031
01:01:28,435 --> 01:01:31,480
MICHELLE: Naively,
I thought that he would do his bit
1032
01:01:31,563 --> 01:01:35,317
at the hearing and then it would be over,
1033
01:01:35,401 --> 01:01:37,945
and so not the case.
1034
01:01:38,028 --> 01:01:40,072
And it-- I mean, it literally dawned on me
that moment like,
1035
01:01:40,155 --> 01:01:42,116
"Oh, my God, this is not the end of it.
1036
01:01:42,199 --> 01:01:44,785
We're just, we're just...
This is the tip of the iceberg."
1037
01:01:44,868 --> 01:01:46,412
And that's exactly what it was.
1038
01:01:46,495 --> 01:01:48,497
โช โช
1039
01:01:52,418 --> 01:01:55,546
PIERSON:
Finally got the interview with the FAA.
1040
01:01:55,629 --> 01:01:59,550
Now I'm going to tell them
what was going on in the factory.
1041
01:01:59,633 --> 01:02:02,719
I think that's it,
that giant facility down there.
1042
01:02:02,803 --> 01:02:04,388
-HAVIAN: Yeah.
-I believe.
1043
01:02:08,225 --> 01:02:09,893
(phone chimes)
1044
01:02:10,978 --> 01:02:12,980
(phone clicking)
1045
01:02:16,191 --> 01:02:17,401
(message swooshes)
1046
01:02:17,484 --> 01:02:19,486
โช โช
1047
01:02:23,323 --> 01:02:24,616
(phone chimes)
1048
01:02:27,244 --> 01:02:29,079
That's my source.
1049
01:02:29,163 --> 01:02:31,373
(phone clicking)
1050
01:02:31,457 --> 01:02:32,624
(message swooshes)
1051
01:02:36,628 --> 01:02:39,047
I'll see you later.
1052
01:02:42,718 --> 01:02:45,929
This source approached me in 2007.
1053
01:02:47,431 --> 01:02:52,436
At the time, I actually met with
half a dozen FAA safety engineers.
1054
01:02:53,854 --> 01:02:56,148
You know, I'm not taking my usual car
1055
01:02:56,231 --> 01:02:59,735
because some sources
that I've worked with have been followed.
1056
01:03:00,486 --> 01:03:02,779
(engine revving)
1057
01:03:05,365 --> 01:03:10,287
I give them a number of a burner phone
that I bought with cash
1058
01:03:10,370 --> 01:03:12,789
so that the phone's untraceable.
1059
01:03:21,465 --> 01:03:22,758
Nobody here yet.
1060
01:03:22,841 --> 01:03:24,343
(gearshift clicks)
1061
01:03:44,488 --> 01:03:46,949
PIERSON:
The thing that really jumps out for me
1062
01:03:47,032 --> 01:03:50,786
is, during the interview,
I was always giving them examples
1063
01:03:50,869 --> 01:03:53,622
of production problems
that I was seeing in the factory,
1064
01:03:53,705 --> 01:03:56,833
one of the gentlemen would
lit-literally finish my-my thoughts.
1065
01:03:56,917 --> 01:03:58,752
And as I said, you know,
"And-and then this led to,"
1066
01:03:58,835 --> 01:04:01,380
and he would, he would
actually finish my statement.
1067
01:04:01,463 --> 01:04:05,926
So either the FAA did know
and they didn't do anything about it
1068
01:04:06,009 --> 01:04:09,555
or they didn't know and it's inexcusable
how they could not know.
1069
01:04:09,638 --> 01:04:13,892
PIERSON: And-and I-- the part
I can't get past my brain is, you know,
1070
01:04:13,976 --> 01:04:16,061
you have 45,000 FAA employees,
1071
01:04:16,144 --> 01:04:21,775
you have 1,600 of them
in that building that we were at,
1072
01:04:21,858 --> 01:04:24,069
and they can only assign five people
1073
01:04:24,152 --> 01:04:26,655
15 minutes away down the street
at the busiest factory in the world?
1074
01:04:26,738 --> 01:04:28,615
I mean, give me a break.
1075
01:04:28,699 --> 01:04:31,702
I just hope that they do
what they say they're gonna do
1076
01:04:31,785 --> 01:04:34,288
and go back and do
a deeper investigation and...
1077
01:04:34,371 --> 01:04:36,999
It's-it's gonna require someone
to force them to do it, I-I worry.
1078
01:04:37,082 --> 01:04:39,084
โช โช
1079
01:04:48,218 --> 01:04:49,761
(horn honks)
1080
01:04:55,183 --> 01:04:56,518
(vehicle door opens)
1081
01:04:57,936 --> 01:04:59,396
(vehicle door closes)
1082
01:05:05,819 --> 01:05:07,237
GATES:
Thanks for coming.
1083
01:05:07,321 --> 01:05:08,739
MAN (voice garbled):
Yeah.
1084
01:05:10,824 --> 01:05:13,994
GATES:
In terms of change at the FAA,
1085
01:05:14,077 --> 01:05:17,706
is there a culture shift as a result
of what happened on the MAX?
1086
01:05:17,789 --> 01:05:19,625
Have people's attitudes changed?
1087
01:05:20,709 --> 01:05:23,587
One of our engineers
turned in a safety report,
1088
01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:26,298
and the manager was upset.
1089
01:05:26,381 --> 01:05:28,467
Because now you've got a delay
in the program,
1090
01:05:28,550 --> 01:05:31,553
and it's all going to impact
the program's schedule,
1091
01:05:31,637 --> 01:05:33,305
and managers retaliate.
1092
01:05:33,388 --> 01:05:38,310
And so the people that I talk to said
that they have not seen
1093
01:05:38,393 --> 01:05:40,228
any change.
1094
01:05:41,563 --> 01:05:45,317
There's some real problems
with the organization.
1095
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:48,236
In all fairness, we went through ten years
1096
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:52,032
of just absolutely amazing safety level.
1097
01:05:52,115 --> 01:05:57,704
But then there was a lot of complacency,
both in industry and at the agency.
1098
01:05:57,788 --> 01:06:01,917
And Boeing has huge influence politically.
1099
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,921
A lot of money put into lobbying Congress.
1100
01:06:06,004 --> 01:06:09,800
And it just shows the acceptance
of the Boeing...
1101
01:06:09,883 --> 01:06:12,094
the Boeing position on things,
1102
01:06:12,177 --> 01:06:15,347
because the agency and Congress,
1103
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:18,100
they are focused on enabling industry,
1104
01:06:18,183 --> 01:06:22,479
and I think the belief system is
that is safe enough.
1105
01:06:23,814 --> 01:06:26,650
โช โช
1106
01:06:29,111 --> 01:06:33,740
GREEN: The wall between the FAA
and the industry is a very low wall.
1107
01:06:33,824 --> 01:06:36,702
There's-there's a lot
of back-and-forth movement.
1108
01:06:36,785 --> 01:06:39,913
It really often is a revolving door.
1109
01:06:39,996 --> 01:06:42,499
People who work for Boeing, who then
1110
01:06:42,582 --> 01:06:44,501
go into the FAA.
1111
01:06:44,584 --> 01:06:48,880
You also see people at the FAA
looking to go into Boeing.
1112
01:06:50,590 --> 01:06:52,134
And what ends up happening
1113
01:06:52,217 --> 01:06:56,304
is the FAA really becomes
part of the Boeing team.
1114
01:07:00,809 --> 01:07:03,729
DeFAZIO:
I was very frustrated by the FAA.
1115
01:07:03,812 --> 01:07:07,858
They were way less cooperative
than Boeing.
1116
01:07:07,941 --> 01:07:09,025
They refer to
1117
01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:12,195
the regulated entities as their customers.
1118
01:07:12,279 --> 01:07:14,156
No, they're not your customers.
1119
01:07:14,239 --> 01:07:19,369
They are a private interest
that sometimes will cut corners
1120
01:07:19,453 --> 01:07:21,955
to get a competitive edge.
1121
01:07:22,038 --> 01:07:25,000
And sometimes
those corners they cut kill people.
1122
01:07:27,419 --> 01:07:29,004
During this investigation,
1123
01:07:29,087 --> 01:07:33,008
we found out something
which I think changed everything.
1124
01:07:35,218 --> 01:07:37,679
After the first crash was a report
1125
01:07:37,763 --> 01:07:41,433
that the FAA had produced
about the MCAS system.
1126
01:07:42,517 --> 01:07:46,188
That report said that,
unless the MCAS was modified,
1127
01:07:46,271 --> 01:07:49,900
15 of these planes will crash
during the life of the fleet.
1128
01:07:51,151 --> 01:07:54,863
We've never allowed anything like that
into the air before in history.
1129
01:07:54,946 --> 01:07:56,072
You don't do that.
1130
01:07:57,991 --> 01:08:00,076
Who saw that report?
How was it circulated?
1131
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,747
Why didn't they then act
to ground the planes,
1132
01:08:03,830 --> 01:08:07,959
as opposed to waiting until, uh,
another plane full of people crash?
1133
01:08:23,308 --> 01:08:25,310
(quiet chatter)
1134
01:08:31,858 --> 01:08:33,860
KURIA:
After the first crash, they estimated
1135
01:08:33,944 --> 01:08:37,030
15 crashes in the lifespan of the plane.
1136
01:08:38,323 --> 01:08:41,660
FAA leadership, Boeing leadership,
1137
01:08:41,743 --> 01:08:45,413
(voice breaking):
they knew this before this plane was made,
1138
01:08:45,497 --> 01:08:48,041
before it was put together,
1139
01:08:48,124 --> 01:08:50,794
and they did nothing.
1140
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:56,550
That's what makes it so heartbreaking.
1141
01:08:58,051 --> 01:09:01,179
When you realize, like,
how preventable it was.
1142
01:09:05,475 --> 01:09:08,436
(man singing somber song
in foreign language over speakers)
1143
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,522
-(singing continues)
-(quiet sobbing)
1144
01:09:14,985 --> 01:09:16,987
(woman singing somber song
in foreign language)
1145
01:09:18,613 --> 01:09:20,615
(singing continues)
1146
01:09:24,286 --> 01:09:26,288
-(woman singing and sobbing)
-(people sobbing)
1147
01:09:30,166 --> 01:09:33,044
(crowd singing)
1148
01:09:50,770 --> 01:09:53,690
(crowd continues singing and sobbing)
1149
01:10:03,033 --> 01:10:05,035
โช โช
1150
01:10:17,589 --> 01:10:20,592
PIERSON: This is gonna be
a really interesting hearing.
1151
01:10:20,675 --> 01:10:22,385
And this got to go here.
1152
01:10:23,762 --> 01:10:26,056
...of the crash of
Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302.
1153
01:10:26,139 --> 01:10:27,557
There we go.
1154
01:10:27,641 --> 01:10:31,436
The aircraft involved in both accidents
1155
01:10:31,519 --> 01:10:33,605
was the Boeing 737 MAX.
1156
01:10:33,688 --> 01:10:35,982
It is hard not to conclude
1157
01:10:36,066 --> 01:10:41,029
your team at the FAA
has attempted to keep us in the dark.
1158
01:10:41,112 --> 01:10:44,282
Administrator Dickson,
I hold you responsible for this.
1159
01:10:44,366 --> 01:10:48,828
I expect to receive an explanation today
at this hearing for the failure to comply
1160
01:10:48,912 --> 01:10:50,997
-with the committee's request.
-Yeah, just make some excuses.
1161
01:10:51,081 --> 01:10:52,290
DICKSON:
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
1162
01:10:52,374 --> 01:10:55,043
And I-I always appreciate
the opportunity for dialogue.
1163
01:10:55,126 --> 01:11:01,007
I will not sign off on this aircraft until
all FAA technical reviews are complete.
1164
01:11:01,091 --> 01:11:04,469
I also intend to pilot the aircraft myself
1165
01:11:04,552 --> 01:11:07,347
before the FAA makes
any ungrounding decision.
1166
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:09,349
-There we go.
-(laughs)
1167
01:11:09,432 --> 01:11:10,600
Just bravado.
1168
01:11:10,684 --> 01:11:11,810
You got pi-- you have test pilots.
1169
01:11:11,893 --> 01:11:14,104
You don't have to fly it yourself.
1170
01:11:14,187 --> 01:11:16,398
Talk about j-just tone-deaf.
1171
01:11:16,481 --> 01:11:17,691
ROGER WICKER:
Senator Markey.
1172
01:11:17,774 --> 01:11:19,609
EDWARD MARKEY:
Boeing is now arguing in court
1173
01:11:19,693 --> 01:11:24,739
that the FAA's certification of the
737 MAX should shield it from liability.
1174
01:11:24,823 --> 01:11:27,951
Do you support Boeing's position,
1175
01:11:28,034 --> 01:11:31,413
or should the victims' families
be able to hold Boeing accountable?
1176
01:11:31,496 --> 01:11:34,874
Uh, Senator, I'm not in a position
to comment on that.
1177
01:11:34,958 --> 01:11:37,919
Uh, but I would certainly be willing
to-to follow up with you
1178
01:11:38,003 --> 01:11:40,005
-on-on that, uh, question.
-WICKER: Senator Cruz.
1179
01:11:40,088 --> 01:11:41,631
TED CRUZ:
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
1180
01:11:42,632 --> 01:11:45,051
Did Boeing lie to the FAA?
1181
01:11:47,929 --> 01:11:49,597
DICKSON:
I can't say.
1182
01:11:49,681 --> 01:11:50,724
I-I can't say.
1183
01:11:50,807 --> 01:11:54,561
I mean, I-- definitely there was
incomplete, uh, information
1184
01:11:54,644 --> 01:11:56,604
and fragmented information
that was provided.
1185
01:11:56,688 --> 01:11:58,773
-That's bullshit.
-CRUZ: Did the FAA screw up
1186
01:11:58,857 --> 01:12:00,942
in certifying the 737 MAX?
1187
01:12:01,026 --> 01:12:04,446
I have concerns, I would say,
that there were mistakes made, yes.
1188
01:12:04,529 --> 01:12:05,530
Come on, Senator.
1189
01:12:05,613 --> 01:12:07,490
In Washington, the passive voice
1190
01:12:07,574 --> 01:12:10,452
is a great way of avoiding responsibility.
1191
01:12:10,535 --> 01:12:14,164
Who made the mistakes and why?
1192
01:12:14,247 --> 01:12:17,042
The-the, uh, the manufacturer
made mistakes,
1193
01:12:17,125 --> 01:12:20,712
and the FAA made mistakes in its,
in its oversight of the manufacturer.
1194
01:12:20,795 --> 01:12:22,922
And what were the mistakes
and why were they made?
1195
01:12:23,006 --> 01:12:24,591
DICKSON:
The full implications
1196
01:12:24,674 --> 01:12:29,512
of the, uh, flight control system
were not understood, uh,
1197
01:12:29,596 --> 01:12:31,556
-as design changes were made.
-Come on.
1198
01:12:31,639 --> 01:12:33,808
CRUZ:
Has anyone at FAA been fired?
1199
01:12:33,892 --> 01:12:36,853
Uh, no one has been fired
over this particular matter,
1200
01:12:36,936 --> 01:12:38,354
um, up to this point, but...
1201
01:12:38,438 --> 01:12:41,024
CRUZ: Has anyone been disciplined
over this matter?
1202
01:12:41,107 --> 01:12:42,859
No, not specifically.
1203
01:12:42,942 --> 01:12:47,322
So, unknown somebodies
made unspecified mistakes
1204
01:12:47,405 --> 01:12:49,324
for which there have been
no repercussions?
1205
01:12:49,407 --> 01:12:51,284
-Zero accountability.
-You understand, sir,
1206
01:12:51,367 --> 01:12:54,204
you do not work for Boeing,
you work for the American people.
1207
01:12:54,287 --> 01:12:56,081
WICKER:
With that,
1208
01:12:56,164 --> 01:12:57,332
this hearing is now adjourned.
1209
01:12:57,415 --> 01:12:58,416
(gavel knocks)
1210
01:12:58,500 --> 01:13:00,502
Who got fired?
1211
01:13:00,585 --> 01:13:02,670
Nobody. Who got demoted? Nobody.
1212
01:13:02,754 --> 01:13:04,672
This is our government, our government.
1213
01:13:04,756 --> 01:13:06,216
This is our government in action.
1214
01:13:06,299 --> 01:13:08,426
Just ridiculous.
1215
01:13:08,510 --> 01:13:10,136
Come on, Jordan. Let's go for a walk.
1216
01:13:10,220 --> 01:13:12,972
Come on. At least
you don't work for the government.
1217
01:13:13,056 --> 01:13:15,683
โช โช
1218
01:13:15,767 --> 01:13:17,185
It's bullshit.
1219
01:13:21,856 --> 01:13:22,899
(door opens)
1220
01:13:25,944 --> 01:13:31,074
MICHELLE: I think he sort of owns it
and feels very, very guilty,
1221
01:13:31,157 --> 01:13:34,327
maybe responsible a little bit
for the deaths of these people,
1222
01:13:34,410 --> 01:13:39,165
and it's very difficult to watch him,
'cause he's not.
1223
01:13:47,632 --> 01:13:49,134
I thought he was doing a time line
1224
01:13:49,217 --> 01:13:51,386
mostly of just the things
that he had done.
1225
01:13:52,846 --> 01:13:54,931
But this is everything.
1226
01:14:01,938 --> 01:14:03,940
PIERSON:
I am beyond pissed.
1227
01:14:05,191 --> 01:14:09,195
It should not be that hard
to get the FAA to do their damn job.
1228
01:14:10,947 --> 01:14:13,908
But you still have the Department
of Justice investigation going on,
1229
01:14:13,992 --> 01:14:16,452
so it's not over yet.
1230
01:14:18,413 --> 01:14:20,415
โช โช
1231
01:14:24,419 --> 01:14:27,547
GATES: As part of
the Department of Justice investigation,
1232
01:14:27,630 --> 01:14:30,341
Boeing was forced to release
some documents.
1233
01:14:32,343 --> 01:14:35,180
Instant messages and emails
between a couple of pilots at Boeing
1234
01:14:35,263 --> 01:14:37,098
that's completely off script,
1235
01:14:37,182 --> 01:14:39,809
and they're saying things Boeing would
never have wanted to see the light of day.
1236
01:14:39,893 --> 01:14:43,021
And we're reading them,
and you're realizing as a journalist,
1237
01:14:43,104 --> 01:14:46,274
"Oh, my God,
readers are gonna be outraged."
1238
01:14:48,318 --> 01:14:52,238
Boeing's chief technical pilot,
Mark Forkner,
1239
01:14:52,322 --> 01:14:57,744
saw it as his job to dissuade airlines
and regulators all over the world
1240
01:14:57,827 --> 01:15:00,914
from wanting extra training
for the pilots.
1241
01:15:02,165 --> 01:15:06,586
GREEN: This guy Forkner, he is doing it
because, higher up at the company,
1242
01:15:06,669 --> 01:15:09,422
they decided that a major program goal
1243
01:15:09,505 --> 01:15:11,841
was not to require pilot training.
1244
01:15:13,218 --> 01:15:18,806
This was a business competitive advantage
and was very important to Boeing.
1245
01:15:18,890 --> 01:15:20,934
GATES:
Boeing had promised
1246
01:15:21,017 --> 01:15:25,188
pilots who flew the old model 737
could transition to
1247
01:15:25,271 --> 01:15:27,065
this MAX model with minimal training--
1248
01:15:27,148 --> 01:15:29,108
two hours on an iPad.
1249
01:15:29,192 --> 01:15:30,235
Seriously, an iPad.
1250
01:15:30,318 --> 01:15:33,446
Boeing had written into the contract
with Southwest a guarantee:
1251
01:15:33,529 --> 01:15:35,907
"You will not have to train your pilots
on the simulator,
1252
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:39,160
"and if you do, we'll pay you
a million dollars per airplane.
1253
01:15:39,244 --> 01:15:41,246
That's how seriously we're taking this."
1254
01:15:42,664 --> 01:15:45,833
And there was a-a chilling moment
when I got in the middle of the document
1255
01:15:45,917 --> 01:15:49,879
and I saw this exchange and I realized
1256
01:15:49,963 --> 01:15:53,967
that Forkner was telling his deputy,
Patrick Gustavsson,
1257
01:15:54,050 --> 01:15:58,846
that he had, that day,
managed to dissuade Lion Air...
1258
01:16:01,516 --> 01:16:04,769
...not to have simulator training
for its pilots.
1259
01:16:04,852 --> 01:16:08,273
Lion Air did actually ask
for more training,
1260
01:16:08,356 --> 01:16:13,278
and Boeing went out of its way
to stop them from getting it.
1261
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:18,116
Mark Forkner tells his deputy,
1262
01:16:18,199 --> 01:16:21,452
"I just Jedi mind tricked these fools."
1263
01:16:25,123 --> 01:16:28,293
What we also learned
was that MCAS was changed
1264
01:16:28,376 --> 01:16:31,170
in a way that was gonna be a real problem,
1265
01:16:31,254 --> 01:16:35,967
and if the FAA knew about it, they were
gonna change the training requirements.
1266
01:16:36,050 --> 01:16:40,179
So these two guys at that moment,
under pressure from senior managers,
1267
01:16:40,263 --> 01:16:44,392
caved and-and decided not to tell the FAA.
1268
01:16:45,476 --> 01:16:47,478
"The airplane," meaning the MAX,
1269
01:16:47,562 --> 01:16:51,816
"The airplane is designed by clowns,
who in turn are supervised by monkeys."
1270
01:16:54,402 --> 01:16:56,529
This is bad engineering.
1271
01:16:56,612 --> 01:16:58,197
It's bad safety.
1272
01:16:58,281 --> 01:17:01,200
It's devastating consequences.
1273
01:17:02,702 --> 01:17:04,871
And after the MAX wrapped,
1274
01:17:04,954 --> 01:17:08,833
these guys were given an award by Boeing
1275
01:17:08,916 --> 01:17:10,668
because they delivered exactly
1276
01:17:10,752 --> 01:17:13,546
what their bosses had wanted.
1277
01:17:21,804 --> 01:17:24,223
What's Boeing going to do
to answer this mess?
1278
01:17:25,558 --> 01:17:29,812
We don't know,
but I would expect criminal charges.
1279
01:17:41,866 --> 01:17:43,951
NEWSWOMAN:
The U.S. now has its first confirmed case
1280
01:17:44,035 --> 01:17:45,661
of the deadly new coronavirus.
1281
01:17:45,745 --> 01:17:48,956
HOLT:
The Dow dropping more than 2,300 points.
1282
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:50,958
NEWSMAN:
Airports and airlines devastated.
1283
01:17:51,042 --> 01:17:53,544
This airport is empty.
The parking lot is empty.
1284
01:17:53,628 --> 01:17:55,963
WOMAN (over P.A.):
...at all times until they are checked.
1285
01:17:56,047 --> 01:17:58,758
(jackhammers rattling in distance)
1286
01:18:00,510 --> 01:18:03,096
GATES:
Because of the COVID-19 crisis,
1287
01:18:03,179 --> 01:18:09,143
what we have is a company
that's in terrible shape business-wise.
1288
01:18:09,227 --> 01:18:10,937
NEWSMAN 2:
Boeing, the number one component
1289
01:18:11,020 --> 01:18:13,981
in the Dow Jones Industrial Average,
in a freefall at this moment.
1290
01:18:15,525 --> 01:18:19,112
GATES: So they really depend
on the 737 MAX getting back
1291
01:18:19,195 --> 01:18:22,031
to get cash flow coming again.
1292
01:18:22,115 --> 01:18:25,243
TRUMP: We have to help Boeing.
We have to help the airline industry.
1293
01:18:25,326 --> 01:18:27,370
It wasn't their fault.
This wasn't their fault.
1294
01:18:27,453 --> 01:18:30,373
GATES:
It has to work
1295
01:18:30,456 --> 01:18:33,251
or Boeing can't keep going.
1296
01:18:34,710 --> 01:18:36,379
(typing)
1297
01:18:36,462 --> 01:18:38,464
โช โช
1298
01:18:53,438 --> 01:18:55,356
(ringtone plays)
1299
01:18:55,440 --> 01:18:56,816
Yeah.
1300
01:18:59,193 --> 01:19:01,320
-(stammers) Um, what about the...
-(dog barks)
1301
01:19:03,197 --> 01:19:04,866
-Are you sure?
-(dog barks)
1302
01:19:07,785 --> 01:19:09,787
(fire crackling)
1303
01:19:12,165 --> 01:19:13,291
(sighs softly)
1304
01:19:13,374 --> 01:19:15,376
โช โช
1305
01:19:22,884 --> 01:19:26,637
PIERSON: Today, we're gonna watch
the FAA administrator fly the MAX
1306
01:19:26,721 --> 01:19:28,806
on a test flight.
1307
01:19:28,890 --> 01:19:33,186
This is one of the last steps apparently
before the plane gets recertified.
1308
01:19:40,193 --> 01:19:41,986
Why is he touching
1309
01:19:42,069 --> 01:19:44,363
the plane like...
1310
01:19:44,447 --> 01:19:48,618
literally just a clown in a suit?
1311
01:19:52,455 --> 01:19:54,540
PIERSON: Well, he made a big deal,
saying, you know,
1312
01:19:54,624 --> 01:19:58,419
"I'm not gonna approve this plane
unless I-I fly it myself."
1313
01:19:58,503 --> 01:20:02,340
Sitting up there, you know,
what is he really gonna test? Uh, come on.
1314
01:20:07,303 --> 01:20:09,764
GATES:
So wh-where is the plane right now?
1315
01:20:09,847 --> 01:20:11,724
Is-is that it right there?
1316
01:20:12,892 --> 01:20:15,311
(jet engine whirring)
1317
01:20:15,394 --> 01:20:16,771
There she goes.
1318
01:20:16,854 --> 01:20:18,856
โช โช
1319
01:20:40,711 --> 01:20:42,713
(jet engine roaring)
1320
01:20:52,265 --> 01:20:54,267
โช โช
1321
01:21:03,859 --> 01:21:06,153
You seeing anything yet?
1322
01:21:06,237 --> 01:21:08,656
(cameras clicking)
1323
01:21:23,421 --> 01:21:25,673
(indistinct radio chatter)
1324
01:21:25,756 --> 01:21:28,593
-Well, that's him. -MAN: Yeah.
-(camera clicking)
1325
01:21:31,554 --> 01:21:35,141
DICKSON: Good morning,
and thank you for joining us today.
1326
01:21:35,224 --> 01:21:36,892
We're in the homestretch,
1327
01:21:36,976 --> 01:21:40,146
but that doesn't mean that we're gonna
take shortcuts to get it done...
1328
01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:42,648
GREEN:
Boeing stock's up three dollars right now.
1329
01:21:42,732 --> 01:21:47,153
MAN: Which is twice before
the Dickson press conference started.
1330
01:21:47,236 --> 01:21:48,988
DICKSON: ...the plane
for return to passenger service.
1331
01:21:49,071 --> 01:21:52,366
GATES: Steve, uh, I'd like to ask you
a question that actually comes from
1332
01:21:52,450 --> 01:21:55,661
one of the families of the victims
in an email this morning,
1333
01:21:55,745 --> 01:21:58,664
and it's something that
the-the families have been repeating.
1334
01:21:58,748 --> 01:22:02,752
They say today's flight is a
public relations stunt, a gift to Boeing.
1335
01:22:02,835 --> 01:22:05,129
DICKSON:
This is not a publicity stunt.
1336
01:22:05,212 --> 01:22:10,509
This is simply, uh, the fulfillment of
a commitment, a promise that I made,
1337
01:22:10,593 --> 01:22:12,970
uh, within my first few weeks at the FAA.
1338
01:22:13,054 --> 01:22:15,931
The 737 aircraft--
1339
01:22:16,015 --> 01:22:18,559
and statistically it may be the safest
airplane that's ever been built.
1340
01:22:18,643 --> 01:22:21,854
You know, as I've said many times,
safety's a journey,
1341
01:22:21,937 --> 01:22:24,148
and it is something
that we need to continue...
1342
01:22:24,231 --> 01:22:27,860
The FAA is supposed to be our watchdog,
our guardian and our protector.
1343
01:22:27,943 --> 01:22:30,071
It doesn't make sense.
It doesn't make sense.
1344
01:22:30,154 --> 01:22:31,947
Doesn't make sense to me.
1345
01:22:32,031 --> 01:22:33,449
At all.
1346
01:22:35,701 --> 01:22:37,745
(sighs heavily)
1347
01:22:37,828 --> 01:22:39,830
โช โช
1348
01:22:48,005 --> 01:22:50,591
(printer beeps, whirs)
1349
01:22:54,720 --> 01:23:00,184
GATES: This is a settlement as a result
of the DOJ's grand jury investigation.
1350
01:23:02,228 --> 01:23:05,398
MONIQUE MING LAVEN:
Boeing avoided criminal prosecution
1351
01:23:05,481 --> 01:23:07,733
for criminal misconduct today
1352
01:23:07,817 --> 01:23:11,278
for giving the FAA false information
about the 737 MAX.
1353
01:23:11,362 --> 01:23:14,323
NEWSMAN: As part of this agreement,
which is, by the way,
1354
01:23:14,407 --> 01:23:16,575
what many people on Wall Street expected,
1355
01:23:16,659 --> 01:23:21,163
Boeing has agreed to pay
more than $2.5 billion.
1356
01:23:21,247 --> 01:23:23,249
NEWSMAN 2:
That fine's only a slap on the wrist
1357
01:23:23,332 --> 01:23:26,627
when you consider
the severity of the charges.
1358
01:23:28,629 --> 01:23:30,381
GREEN:
Boeing had a problem.
1359
01:23:30,464 --> 01:23:34,135
They dealt with the problem
working with the government.
1360
01:23:35,594 --> 01:23:38,180
They together crafted this announcement
that basically said,
1361
01:23:38,264 --> 01:23:41,016
"Look, we're responsible...
1362
01:23:42,810 --> 01:23:46,188
"...but only because
we had some bad apples,
1363
01:23:46,272 --> 01:23:48,566
"and the bad apples
didn't have senior management.
1364
01:23:48,649 --> 01:23:49,942
It was these guys."
1365
01:23:50,025 --> 01:23:51,736
These two guys were guilty,
1366
01:23:51,819 --> 01:23:54,155
pilots from the internal Boeing emails,
1367
01:23:54,238 --> 01:23:57,825
Mark Forkner
and his deputy Patrick Gustavsson.
1368
01:23:57,908 --> 01:24:01,162
They've been thrown to the wolves here.
1369
01:24:01,245 --> 01:24:03,998
Forkner does what he's told,
1370
01:24:04,081 --> 01:24:09,211
and now he's basically being left
as a scapegoat for what Boeing did.
1371
01:24:09,295 --> 01:24:12,715
And the DOJ actually went
out of their way--
1372
01:24:12,798 --> 01:24:14,550
and this is not normal--
1373
01:24:14,633 --> 01:24:18,012
they explicitly say
1374
01:24:18,095 --> 01:24:20,806
that senior management didn't do anything.
1375
01:24:23,058 --> 01:24:27,897
All of the senior management at Boeing
are off scot-free,
1376
01:24:27,980 --> 01:24:30,274
and not only scot-free but, you know,
1377
01:24:30,357 --> 01:24:35,821
with their huge million-dollar salaries
all intact and no threat to them at all.
1378
01:24:36,906 --> 01:24:38,616
(line rings)
1379
01:24:38,699 --> 01:24:40,993
ROSE (over speakerphone):
Hey. I'm on a call. Can I call you back?
1380
01:24:41,076 --> 01:24:42,369
GREEN:
Yeah. Just come by when you're done.
1381
01:24:42,453 --> 01:24:43,454
ROSE:
All right.
1382
01:24:44,538 --> 01:24:47,541
GREEN: It's really annoying
that Boeing is able to pay money
1383
01:24:47,625 --> 01:24:50,961
to avoid criminal responsibility,
1384
01:24:51,045 --> 01:24:55,299
but honestly it's great for the case
'cause we make the same allegations
1385
01:24:55,382 --> 01:24:58,260
that the government
now has settled with Boeing,
1386
01:24:58,344 --> 01:25:02,932
and that is essentially
Boeing defrauded the FAA.
1387
01:25:03,015 --> 01:25:07,436
These guys, um, Forkner and Gustavsson,
are the two technical pilots.
1388
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:11,357
They do what they're doing
because they're under orders from above,
1389
01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:16,779
but the guys above, the executives
who gave the order, they got away with it.
1390
01:25:16,862 --> 01:25:19,782
And that frankly goes back
to this whistleblower
1391
01:25:19,865 --> 01:25:22,243
that we've been talking about, Ed Pierson.
1392
01:25:22,326 --> 01:25:24,203
(ship horn blowing in distance)
1393
01:25:26,163 --> 01:25:30,167
PIERSON:
After the first crash, I wrote to the CEO.
1394
01:25:31,335 --> 01:25:35,047
"You need to know we got to stop
and do the job properly."
1395
01:25:36,507 --> 01:25:39,260
Right after that,
I wrote to the board of directors.
1396
01:25:39,343 --> 01:25:41,345
And it was a certified letter
1397
01:25:41,428 --> 01:25:43,597
'cause I wanted to make sure
that it was documented.
1398
01:25:43,681 --> 01:25:46,058
I was pleading with them to act.
1399
01:25:46,141 --> 01:25:50,312
And then, a couple weeks later,
the Ethiopian Airline crashes.
1400
01:25:51,605 --> 01:25:54,567
Pierson comes along and he says,
"That's not just those two guys.
1401
01:25:55,651 --> 01:26:00,197
"I went to Muilenburg and said there are
real problems on the assembly line,
1402
01:26:00,281 --> 01:26:02,324
manufacturing process."
1403
01:26:02,408 --> 01:26:07,955
So you begin to develop a larger picture
of a corporate attitude
1404
01:26:08,038 --> 01:26:13,502
to put money and, uh, profit above safety.
1405
01:26:13,586 --> 01:26:15,546
Everybody in the Boeing organization says,
1406
01:26:15,629 --> 01:26:17,798
"Safety first, safety first,
safety first."
1407
01:26:17,882 --> 01:26:19,049
Is that true?
1408
01:26:19,133 --> 01:26:22,428
Is that true or is that a canard?
Is that baloney?
1409
01:26:22,511 --> 01:26:27,975
Right now, I like the idea of, uh,
getting Pierson, uh, on paper.
1410
01:26:28,058 --> 01:26:30,060
GREEN:
Yeah. Put it this way:
1411
01:26:30,144 --> 01:26:34,273
Boeing doesn't want him to testify,
so we should... (laughs)
1412
01:26:34,356 --> 01:26:36,859
we should react to that
by getting him to testify.
1413
01:26:36,942 --> 01:26:38,944
โช โช
1414
01:26:43,490 --> 01:26:45,492
(siren wailing in distance)
1415
01:26:47,369 --> 01:26:49,455
GATES:
Oh, hold on. Boeing's calling me.
1416
01:26:52,333 --> 01:26:54,627
Hi-- Hi, Bernard. How are you doing?
1417
01:26:56,962 --> 01:26:58,047
No-- No problem.
1418
01:26:58,130 --> 01:27:00,549
So, what'd you--
what did you want to tell me?
1419
01:27:06,639 --> 01:27:09,058
No, but wh-wh... (groans)
1420
01:27:10,434 --> 01:27:11,477
(page turns)
1421
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:13,103
I understand.
1422
01:27:13,187 --> 01:27:14,396
Mm-hmm.
1423
01:27:14,480 --> 01:27:17,191
โช โช
1424
01:27:20,861 --> 01:27:24,073
All right, Bernard, well, thanks
for the call, and I'll talk to you later.
1425
01:27:25,824 --> 01:27:27,660
Bye.
1426
01:27:29,745 --> 01:27:31,747
(sighs)
1427
01:27:34,333 --> 01:27:37,670
Well, we-we have the heads-up basically.
1428
01:27:40,172 --> 01:27:45,219
The FAA's gonna clear the MAX
to fly again on Wednesday.
1429
01:27:47,012 --> 01:27:50,057
It's good news for Boeing
1430
01:27:50,140 --> 01:27:52,685
at a very, very low moment.
1431
01:27:53,686 --> 01:27:56,522
(line ringing)
1432
01:28:00,317 --> 01:28:02,194
-PIERSON: Hello.
-MICHELLE (over phone): Hey.
1433
01:28:02,277 --> 01:28:04,071
PIERSON:
Uh, did you see the news?
1434
01:28:04,154 --> 01:28:06,949
MICHELLE: I-I was in Costco, honey.
I haven't seen the news.
1435
01:28:07,032 --> 01:28:10,619
The FAA just cleared
the Boeing MAX to fly.
1436
01:28:10,703 --> 01:28:11,954
(Michelle groans)
1437
01:28:12,037 --> 01:28:13,872
Well, you knew it was gonna happen.
1438
01:28:19,003 --> 01:28:21,422
GREEN:
American has these airplanes,
1439
01:28:21,505 --> 01:28:24,800
so American as a company
is gonna want to fly them.
1440
01:28:28,053 --> 01:28:30,556
Okay, that's an Airbus, 737.
1441
01:28:32,224 --> 01:28:33,934
Here you go.
1442
01:28:34,018 --> 01:28:36,186
MAX 8, 2:30 p.m.
1443
01:28:38,105 --> 01:28:40,149
Look at the cost.
1444
01:28:40,232 --> 01:28:45,195
You can go at 1:40 for five-fif--
516 on an Embraer.
1445
01:28:45,279 --> 01:28:49,324
I can go at 2:30 for 181 on a MAX.
1446
01:28:52,036 --> 01:28:55,998
People looking for deals to go to Miami
are gonna end up in a MAX
1447
01:28:56,081 --> 01:28:57,791
if they're not careful.
1448
01:28:57,875 --> 01:28:59,376
That's crazy.
1449
01:28:59,460 --> 01:29:03,213
I can... just tell our PR guy about this.
1450
01:29:09,470 --> 01:29:12,931
I don't know. It's-- I got to tell you,
I think it's gonna be real when
1451
01:29:13,015 --> 01:29:17,227
people are at an airport lining up and
being the first ones to-to get on a MAX.
1452
01:29:17,311 --> 01:29:19,688
WOMAN (over P.A.):
Ladies and gentlemen, at this time...
1453
01:29:19,772 --> 01:29:22,191
(woman continues speaking indistinctly
over P.A.)
1454
01:29:22,274 --> 01:29:24,485
โช โช
1455
01:29:28,072 --> 01:29:29,156
(electronic bells chime)
1456
01:29:29,239 --> 01:29:30,866
WOMAN 2 (over P.A.):
Good morning, passengers.
1457
01:29:30,949 --> 01:29:33,077
This is the pre-boarding announcement
1458
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:38,957
for American Airlines Flight 718 to Miami,
leaving on time.
1459
01:29:39,041 --> 01:29:42,211
Boarding begins in 20 minutes. Thank you.
1460
01:29:50,010 --> 01:29:52,012
โช โช
1461
01:29:53,430 --> 01:29:56,600
KURIA: Birthdays and anniversaries
tend to be really hard,
1462
01:29:56,683 --> 01:30:00,562
so just making sure that,
instead of just being sad,
1463
01:30:00,646 --> 01:30:04,274
to celebrate Dad, celebrate his laugh,
1464
01:30:04,358 --> 01:30:06,485
celebrate his life.
1465
01:30:06,568 --> 01:30:07,736
And, um...
1466
01:30:07,820 --> 01:30:10,364
-Hey.
-Yeah, and I think it's needed
1467
01:30:10,447 --> 01:30:13,492
because the 737 MAX
is going back up in the air,
1468
01:30:13,575 --> 01:30:15,452
and that hurts a lot,
1469
01:30:15,536 --> 01:30:19,623
so to feel some form of, like, victory.
1470
01:30:19,706 --> 01:30:21,291
Thank you so much.
1471
01:30:21,375 --> 01:30:22,876
MAN:
That's a beautiful cake.
1472
01:30:27,172 --> 01:30:28,924
(electronic bells chime)
1473
01:30:29,007 --> 01:30:31,760
WOMAN 2 (over P.A.): This is
the final boarding call for passengers
1474
01:30:31,844 --> 01:30:35,848
on American Airlines Flight 718 to Miami.
1475
01:30:40,602 --> 01:30:43,856
GATES: I've talked
to high-level people inside Boeing
1476
01:30:43,939 --> 01:30:46,650
who feel a sense of guilt
1477
01:30:46,733 --> 01:30:52,531
but they don't believe
they did anything deliberately wrong.
1478
01:30:53,991 --> 01:30:57,286
The sin wasn't anything deliberate.
1479
01:30:57,369 --> 01:31:01,915
It was going along
with the system that was there
1480
01:31:01,999 --> 01:31:04,376
and not questioning it enough.
1481
01:31:07,337 --> 01:31:12,759
This is a very American story because
it's the American corporate culture
1482
01:31:12,843 --> 01:31:14,928
at the root of what's gone wrong.
1483
01:31:19,474 --> 01:31:21,268
What happened within the FAA
1484
01:31:21,351 --> 01:31:26,023
in withdrawing further and further
from its direct oversight role,
1485
01:31:26,106 --> 01:31:28,025
that was just a political move.
1486
01:31:29,610 --> 01:31:33,614
Boeing lobbied and paid politicians
1487
01:31:33,697 --> 01:31:37,492
and convinced them that they needed
to get out of the way of industry.
1488
01:31:39,244 --> 01:31:41,914
Boeing said,
"We want regulation out of the way.
1489
01:31:41,997 --> 01:31:45,876
We'll control it 'cause we're efficient
and we can do it ourselves."
1490
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,546
PILOT (over P.A.):
Flight attendants, prepare for takeoff.
1491
01:31:50,881 --> 01:31:53,800
DeFAZIO:
Predatory capitalism will kill itself.
1492
01:31:53,884 --> 01:31:56,803
And it'll kill people.
1493
01:31:56,887 --> 01:31:58,764
This is a sickness that kills
1494
01:31:58,847 --> 01:32:00,849
many good American corporations.
1495
01:32:01,934 --> 01:32:07,189
The impact of Wall Street on the real
economy of the United States of America.
1496
01:32:07,272 --> 01:32:10,317
40% of our economy is financed.
1497
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:11,485
They used to be 20%.
1498
01:32:11,568 --> 01:32:15,030
They used to lend money to people
to make things.
1499
01:32:15,113 --> 01:32:18,158
Now they are predating
on successful companies
1500
01:32:18,242 --> 01:32:22,079
and turning them into
a shell of their former selves.
1501
01:32:22,162 --> 01:32:26,041
I want to see Boeing go back to being
what it was and they could be again:
1502
01:32:26,124 --> 01:32:29,586
the greatest engineering company
in the world.
1503
01:32:34,758 --> 01:32:37,094
(jet engine roaring)
1504
01:32:37,177 --> 01:32:39,012
(Kuria singing)
1505
01:32:39,096 --> 01:32:42,432
โช But we're here today โช
1506
01:32:42,516 --> 01:32:43,600
(guitar playing softly)
1507
01:32:43,684 --> 01:32:49,398
โช Didn't see the end
through all the pain โช
1508
01:32:49,481 --> 01:32:53,277
โช But we made it through the storm โช
1509
01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:56,196
โช Made it through the storm โช
1510
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:58,240
โช Grateful for the battles that we won โช
1511
01:32:58,323 --> 01:32:59,533
-(chuckles)
-(group humming)
1512
01:32:59,616 --> 01:33:01,535
โช And the ones that we lost, too โช
1513
01:33:01,618 --> 01:33:03,870
-(laughs)
-(woman singing softly)
1514
01:33:03,954 --> 01:33:08,917
(group vocalizing)
1515
01:33:09,001 --> 01:33:12,587
โช Safe to shore. โช
1516
01:33:12,671 --> 01:33:14,673
โช โช
1517
01:33:19,761 --> 01:33:21,471
NEWSMAN:
Ed Pierson told lawmakers
1518
01:33:21,555 --> 01:33:25,392
pressure to produce new planes as fast
as possible was undermining safety.
1519
01:33:25,475 --> 01:33:27,853
PIERSON:
Boeing wasn't listening or the FAA.
1520
01:33:27,936 --> 01:33:30,897
The only people that were doing
any listening it seemed was Congress.
1521
01:33:50,751 --> 01:33:54,004
DANA CANEDY (over computer):
The prize is awarded to Dominic Gates,
1522
01:33:54,087 --> 01:33:56,923
-(screams)
-Steve Miletich, Mike Baker and Lewis Kamb
1523
01:33:57,007 --> 01:33:59,009
of The Seattle Times.
1524
01:34:07,142 --> 01:34:09,061
(woman speaking indistinctly over P.A.)
1525
01:34:09,144 --> 01:34:11,355
NEWSWOMAN:
Boeing has finally accepted sole liability
1526
01:34:11,438 --> 01:34:12,731
for the fatal crash in Ethiopia.
1527
01:34:12,814 --> 01:34:15,692
NEWSWOMAN 2: ...an agreement that
also paves way for compensation claims
1528
01:34:15,776 --> 01:34:20,030
to be made under U.S. law, which provides
for higher levels of compensation.
1529
01:34:33,085 --> 01:34:35,087
โช โช
1530
01:35:02,948 --> 01:35:08,036
KURIA: My dad always used to say
you have to live full and die empty.
1531
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:09,204
I'm not there yet.
1532
01:35:09,287 --> 01:35:11,415
I'm just starting my journey,
1533
01:35:11,498 --> 01:35:13,583
but that's the direction that I'm heading.
1534
01:35:13,667 --> 01:35:15,669
โช โช
1535
01:35:41,570 --> 01:35:43,572
โช โช
1536
01:36:13,268 --> 01:36:15,270
โช โช
1537
01:36:45,300 --> 01:36:47,302
โช โช
1538
01:37:17,332 --> 01:37:19,334
โช โช
1539
01:37:49,364 --> 01:37:51,366
โช โช
1540
01:38:21,396 --> 01:38:23,398
โช โช
1541
01:38:29,404 --> 01:38:31,406
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