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I regret to announce
that Kenny Dalglish
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told the board yesterday of his wish
to retire as team manager.
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Ever since then, the board
have made strenuous attempts
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to make him change his mind.
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Well, obviously,
I've been involved
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in football since I've been 17
and for 20 years really
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I've been with the two most
successful clubs in Britain
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and I've been...
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I've been in the front line...
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in... in... for 20 years.
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And it's just really a result of 20 years'
active involvement in football
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at a very high and successful level
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that really I'm...
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kind of reached a person
that's pushed himself to the limit.
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Urn...
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It's something that's taken rne
a long time to come to.
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When did you
start thinking about it, Ken?
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Do you want me to keep talking
or are you going to interrupt?
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But the most important thing...
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and the worst decision I could have
come to is not to have made a decision.
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Dalglish!
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Dalglish!
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"You'll Never Walk Alone"
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♪ When you walk through a storm
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♪ Hold your head up high
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♪ And don't be afraid
of the dark ♪
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I got a phone call
completely out the blue
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from Peter Robinson
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saying him and the chairman would
like to come and have a word.
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I said, 'Yeah, no problem.'
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So I came.
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They asked if I'd like to
become manager.
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I asked them 'Why?'
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But they never told me why, really.
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But that was it.
That was my exit out of the dressing room
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to being in isolation at the bottom of
the corridor in the manager's office.
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I'm afraid the news is
very bad from Brussels.
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Hooliganism has struck again
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and I'm afraid the scenes
are as bad as anything
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we've seen for a long, long time.
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Ah...
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Generally speaking, whether we
get beat in the football match
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I'll have a quip or I'll laugh a bit
but I'm not laughing tonight.
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Thousands of Liverpool soccer
fans are in Brussels
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for tonight's European Cup Final
against Juventus.
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It will be the last for Liverpool's
manager, Joe Fagan
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who has announced that he is retiring
whether his team win or lose.
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I think it'll lift the team tonight
more than anything.
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They'll want to go out there tonight
and really win it for Joe Fagan.
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I was delighted by playing.
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I was a footballer,
I wanted to be a footballer.
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Everybody knew Joe was retiring.
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He was only doing it
for two years.
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Between them asking me to do it
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and becoming the manager
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I had exactly the same thought
all the way through.
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To win the game.
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How you doing, mate? You OK?
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Dig. Jocky.
- How you doing? You alright?
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Good to see you.
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It seems that the
manager's resignation has increased
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the fans' determination to
beat Juventus.
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It could have a more unsettling
effect on the players.
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But there's nothing that
the entire Liverpool contingent
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would like more than to reward
Joe Fagan's decades of service
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with the European Cup.
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Everyone was saying when
we picked up our tickets, you know.
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'We haven't got the whole end.
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There's gonna be so-called neutral
fans from Brussels in one section.'
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Brussels had a massive Italian community.
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We knew those tickets
would go on the black market.
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We could foresee problems.
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It was supposed to be, right,
neutrals in that little bit here
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and then there was a chicken-wire fence
and then the Liverpool fans.
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At 10 to six we go and have a look
at the pitch. We picked up...
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it was like a half brick.
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Who brings a half brick
with them into the stadium?
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In actual fact, it was the stadium
that was crumbling.
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And so you sort of went,
'Hmmm, this ain't great.'
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A group of Liverpool fans decided
that they were gonna charge
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across the terrace into the corner.
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It caused a wave of crush
and a wall collapsed.
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Good evening,
this is Clive Tyldesley
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in the Heysel Stadium
in Brussels
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where Europe's premier
football match of the season
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has now been completely
overshadowed by scenes of violence
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the likes of which I've never seen
in a football ground before.
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We were right beside
where it was all happening.
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We saw the wall come down
and one of the girls
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went outside and above.
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It was horrendous.
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Well, for the last
50 minutes the Heysel Stadium
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in Brussels,
the capital of Belgium
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has been a sickening and
bewildering sight.
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There was rumours in
the dressing room
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and then the rumours were
changing every five minutes.
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How long were you in there
before you went back out?
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Must have been over an hour.
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Really the game was an insignificance.
- Yeah.
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But they just said...
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I suppose that was... they thought
that was the best way
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to see it through
was to have the game.
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What that must have been
like for young men
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to actually have a consciousness
and an understanding
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of what the hell was
going on around them
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and to react in such a way
that they could just play
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a normal game of football
like ever before.
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And the Liverpool team appear.
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And all credit to them.
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I walked out to the field
and I looked left.
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You could see the carnage,
and there were still ambulances there.
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We... we played.
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That was the decision that was taken.
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And we know that they were
playing in a daze.
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Subconsciously you know that there's
something happened, isn't there?
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You're not oblivious to what's
going on round about
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although you don't know the facts.
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Between two.
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Yes, a penalty's gonna be given.
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They get a penalty awarded...
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which Platini put away.
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Out by Scirea.
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And Liverpool's run of success
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in European Cup Finals
comes to an end.
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But this is not a night when
football will be remembered.
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The official figures of the tragedy
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which occurred before
a ball was kicked.
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36 people killed, more than
200 injured
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and 15 of them seriously.
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How would any of us
respond to a situation like that?
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It's a football match.
It's a joyous occasion.
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It's the biggest game of the season.
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And people are dying around me.
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We were up until late and just talking
about how could it happen.
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The next day I went to the shops
and actually, I was embarrassed.
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I felt really ashamed.
It was a horrible time.
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The majority of fans didn't behave
reprehensibly.
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The majority of fans
condemned those who did.
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And Liverpool fans didn't have a
history of that kind of violence
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and it besmirched the club's name.
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It reduced the club incredibly
in the public eye.
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It had massive consequences.
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And quite rightly, Liverpool was
banned from European tournaments.
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We came back to Liverpool.
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Joe Fagan was crying
and everybody was crying.
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I mean, it was, like, horrible.
It was a horrible, horrible time.
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Do you think the game
should have been played?
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It wasn't for rne to make
the opinion, was it?
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We were asked to play and we played.
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A lot of people, though,
thought it was a bad decision.
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Well, we didn't realise what had
happened before the game.
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You had no idea that
people had been killed?
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No.
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It's a shame really that
something like that
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the biggest club game in the world
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and it's ended in disaster
for so many people.
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If it was difficult for me to deal with
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it would have been much more difficult
for the people who suffered a loss.
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You've just got to deal
with the hand you're dealt.
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Your parents are the ultimate.
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They shape your life.
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They mould you into what you
become later on in your life.
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I really enjoyed growing up.
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Everyone was in the same boat.
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Everybody got out and played.
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A lot of young families there.
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And a lot of friends.
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I think it was always better
to do somebody a good turn
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than a bad turn.
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My sister Carol and I
were brought up
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with very good family values.
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I'm supposed to run out and
throw my arms around wide...
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How are we?
- Hiya. How are you?
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Good. Nay problems.
- Yeah.
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The old house there.
I cannae believe just how long it's been.
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It's just so familiar.
- It is.
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There's an awful lot of memories
round about here.
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Oh, I know.
- They all come back when you come back.
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- I thought I was alright.
- No, no, no, you weren't.
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Not when you were young,
really young.
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I thought I was OK.
- Up until you were about five.
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My mum stayed at
home and ran the house.
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My dad went to work.
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He was a diesel engine fitter.
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I think my dad first introduced me
to a ball before I could walk.
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He used to hold me and let me
have a kick at a ball.
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He liked you to
sit up straight at the table
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and not leave the table
till you'd finished your meal.
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A lot of the time it was only speak
if you're spoken to type of thing
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if you were in adult company.
- A 'yes' and a 'thank you.'
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Yeah, yeah, so...
- 'Please.'
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It's great though.
It's really good to be back.
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From a very young age
I wanted to be a footballer.
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I just loved the football.
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One of the boys' dads
made goals for us.
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He had somewhere to get nets from.
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We had a great time, really.
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Most of your spare time
was spent playing football.
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There's so much change isn't there?
It's so different.
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Everything's...
Mind you, it is 50 years ago, though.
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It is 50 years, I was thinking
that coming over.
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Dad was the orange man, wasn't he?
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He was the man who brought
you the half-time oranges.
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Mum did the strips.
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Everybody chipped in.
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Up at Springburn,
before the bus went away
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we got our picture taken
in front of the bus.
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Was it? I'll need to bend down,
as I was four then!
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You were brought up
to support either Rangers or Celtic
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and if you sat on the fence
you were a Partick Thistle fan.
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So my dad was a Rangers fan.
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It comes back to you.
- It does.
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When you come here you get
one or two things coming back.
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Yeah.
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Well, it's a very great sorrow for me to
have to tell you that at this stage
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there are 66 persons that have lost
their lives as a result of the accident
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which took place on
the terracing exit.
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I was at the game.
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We used to always go to
the same crash barrier.
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My dad's mates with his work,
they all used to meet up
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and we all used to stand there
and watch the match.
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It looked like ending in a
draw until one minute before the end
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Rangers equalized and the
crowd roared in excitement.
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Some of those who were
halfway down the steps
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tried to get back into the ground
with tragic results.
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From the stunned city of Glasgow
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pictures of the aftermath of
Britain's worst ever soccer disaster.
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There but for the grace of God go I.
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We had to move out of here.
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My mum and dad thought
we should move out
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and get our own independence
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and at least have a room
to ourselves
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so they put in for a move
and they moved to Ibrox.
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My mum drew a house overlooking
the training ground
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that Rangers used so I could
look out the window
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and watch Rangers training.
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Sean Fallon went to his house
and he was the type of person
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when he spoke to you, you believed
him and you trusted him.
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Sean was the
assistant manager at Celtic
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and asked if I'd like to come
and join them for training.
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He was on his way down to
the Ayrshire coast to celebrate
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his anniversary with his wife
and a couple of kids in the car.
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And they left them in the car
for about an hour.
244
00:16:00,918 --> 00:16:04,343
Kenny had a photo
of John Greig, the Rangers captain.
245
00:16:04,380 --> 00:16:06,303
Which my mum wanted to take down
246
00:16:06,340 --> 00:16:08,130
and my dad told her to
leave it alone.
247
00:16:08,843 --> 00:16:11,960
So he was a Rangers fan
248
00:16:11,137 --> 00:16:15,859
but what Celtic
were offering him was opportunity.
249
00:16:17,435 --> 00:16:20,530
At that time, Celtic would have
been the best place
250
00:16:20,563 --> 00:16:24,659
for any of the kids to go and try and
educate themselves to be a footballer.
251
00:16:24,692 --> 00:16:26,820
And I was fortunate to be
given the opportunity.
252
00:16:27,820 --> 00:16:31,370
There was no way we were ever
going to turn down Celtic.
253
00:16:31,407 --> 00:16:32,954
It was a no-brainer, really.
254
00:16:35,286 --> 00:16:38,256
To make your debut at
Celtic Park was massive.
255
00:16:38,289 --> 00:16:40,838
Big Jock came into the
boot room and he said
256
00:16:40,875 --> 00:16:43,298
'You're not playing for
the reserves tomorrow.
257
00:16:43,336 --> 00:16:45,338
You'll be playing for
the first team.'
258
00:16:45,379 --> 00:16:47,347
And I went, 'Oh, that's alright.'
259
00:16:47,381 --> 00:16:49,554
I turned up the next day
and Bobby Murdoch
260
00:16:49,592 --> 00:16:52,311
sat next to me and he says,
'Are you nervous?'
261
00:16:52,345 --> 00:16:55,189
I says, 'Just a wee bit
but not really. '
262
00:16:55,223 --> 00:16:58,443
He went, 'Well, you're putting
your right boot on your left foot.'
263
00:16:59,101 --> 00:17:01,103
I said, 'Maybe I am nervous!'
264
00:17:04,273 --> 00:17:06,367
This has not changed one single bit.
265
00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,529
Every single thing is just
the exact same. Same houses.
266
00:17:11,489 --> 00:17:13,332
And then we're at the Beechwood!
267
00:17:13,366 --> 00:17:15,840
Oh, yeah.
The Beechwood. Yes.
268
00:17:16,452 --> 00:17:18,546
I was learning the pub trade.
269
00:17:18,579 --> 00:17:20,752
I learned in a restaurant
called the Beechwood.
270
00:17:21,916 --> 00:17:24,890
All of the Celtic players
used to go in there.
271
00:17:26,546 --> 00:17:30,176
Gosh, it's completely different,
isn't it?
272
00:17:30,216 --> 00:17:34,437
My dad had a pub and I was
working during the school holidays.
273
00:17:34,470 --> 00:17:37,599
Alex, I think he wanted to
open a pub of his own
274
00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,314
and he came in and he got
some tips on the bar trade.
275
00:17:40,351 --> 00:17:41,944
How are you doing?
I'm Kenny.
276
00:17:42,610 --> 00:17:43,654
Hi, hello. How are you?
277
00:17:43,688 --> 00:17:47,864
I used to work here when
I was still at school as a Saturday job.
278
00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:50,528
Sometimes Friday night
after school if there was a wedding
279
00:17:50,570 --> 00:17:53,665
and then I'd work Saturday night
just for pocket money.
280
00:17:54,490 --> 00:17:56,538
How did you get on with my dad?
281
00:17:56,576 --> 00:17:58,294
I knew your dad before I knew you.
282
00:17:58,327 --> 00:18:00,750
Did you? I knew Fergie
before I knew you!
283
00:18:00,788 --> 00:18:02,756
Fair enough, right?
So what?
284
00:18:02,790 --> 00:18:04,588
Your dad didn't recommend you.
285
00:18:05,543 --> 00:18:07,110
No?
- No.
286
00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,920
You were recommended
by Jock Stein.
287
00:18:09,130 --> 00:18:10,757
You were alright.
- Was I?
288
00:18:10,798 --> 00:18:13,642
I think this has been extended,
there was a bar there.
289
00:18:13,676 --> 00:18:15,303
This was where everybody sat.
290
00:18:19,265 --> 00:18:21,313
He was just one of
the young boys that came in.
291
00:18:21,350 --> 00:18:23,478
I never really noticed him at first.
292
00:18:27,523 --> 00:18:29,700
The thing that made him stand out
293
00:18:29,108 --> 00:18:30,701
was that he used to blush
all the time.
294
00:18:32,653 --> 00:18:35,310
He waited until my
parents went on holiday
295
00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:37,672
before he would ask rne out because
he was a bit scared of my dad.
296
00:18:39,368 --> 00:18:41,370
She said, 'You give me a phone.'
297
00:18:41,412 --> 00:18:43,585
I said, 'I've not got your number.'
298
00:18:45,124 --> 00:18:48,128
And I said,
'Well, my number's in the phone book.'
299
00:18:48,169 --> 00:18:49,921
Playing hard to get.
300
00:18:50,796 --> 00:18:53,265
And he rang rne and that was it.
301
00:18:57,970 --> 00:18:59,222
Do you know what you wore?
- Yeah.
302
00:18:59,263 --> 00:19:02,688
What?
- A wee white short raincoat.
303
00:19:02,725 --> 00:19:04,898
I was going to her house
to pick her up.
304
00:19:04,935 --> 00:19:06,528
What did I wear
when you picked me up?
305
00:19:06,562 --> 00:19:08,314
Can you remember?
- A blouse.
306
00:19:08,356 --> 00:19:09,824
A dress.
- Did I?
307
00:19:09,857 --> 00:19:11,404
I dunno, I can't remember.
Did I?
308
00:19:13,194 --> 00:19:15,447
When I was in that flat over there
309
00:19:15,488 --> 00:19:17,661
watching Kenny
come down the street...
310
00:19:17,823 --> 00:19:19,245
What?
311
00:19:19,283 --> 00:19:21,661
I was on the phone to my friend
312
00:19:21,702 --> 00:19:23,704
and I said 'I wonder what
car he's got.'
313
00:19:23,746 --> 00:19:26,920
I don't know what she was
expecting me to pick her up in
314
00:19:26,957 --> 00:19:28,834
because I came off the bus.
315
00:19:28,876 --> 00:19:31,504
We went to the cinema.
316
00:19:31,545 --> 00:19:35,516
And then we very romantically
had fish and chips in the close
317
00:19:35,549 --> 00:19:37,170
in the tenement.
318
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:38,519
When we came out it was raining.
319
00:19:40,763 --> 00:19:42,310
He tried to impress.
320
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:47,900
So I suppose that was
our first outing as a couple.
321
00:19:49,814 --> 00:19:52,613
There we go.
Ah, real nice date.
322
00:19:52,650 --> 00:19:54,823
I'm gonna ring the girls.
- Why?
323
00:19:59,490 --> 00:20:02,164
Celtic. An unbelievable place.
324
00:20:02,201 --> 00:20:04,329
Won five trophies in '67
325
00:20:04,370 --> 00:20:05,450
including the European Cup.
326
00:20:06,372 --> 00:20:08,374
You don't get a rehearsal.
327
00:20:08,416 --> 00:20:10,714
You've got to earn the right
to belong somewhere.
328
00:20:31,689 --> 00:20:34,442
Dalglish! Oh, a peach of a goal!
329
00:20:35,651 --> 00:20:36,948
I was thinking about moving.
330
00:20:36,986 --> 00:20:38,533
I was captain.
331
00:20:38,571 --> 00:20:40,414
They were asking me to
sign a contract
332
00:20:40,448 --> 00:20:42,450
and I says, 'No, I don't want
to sign a contract.
333
00:20:42,491 --> 00:20:44,539
I would like to go at the end of
the season if I could.'
334
00:20:44,577 --> 00:20:46,250
Edwards and Dalglish clashing there.
335
00:20:46,287 --> 00:20:48,850
He's always been single-minded.
336
00:20:48,122 --> 00:20:50,500
If he puts his mind to something,
he'll do it.
337
00:20:51,250 --> 00:20:53,298
If you've asked for a move,
you know you've got to go.
338
00:20:53,335 --> 00:20:54,712
So your mind's set up to go.
339
00:21:03,304 --> 00:21:07,559
Big Jock shook my hand,
gave us a cuddle and says
340
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,898
'All the best, you little bastard!'
341
00:21:11,645 --> 00:21:15,491
Liverpool signed
Kenny Dalglish for £440,000.
342
00:21:15,524 --> 00:21:20,280
He's a brilliant player.
But is he as good as Keegan?
343
00:21:23,199 --> 00:21:26,203
We knew he was leaving going
to Hamburg and we couldn't believe it.
344
00:21:26,243 --> 00:21:29,122
We'd just won the European Cup.
Why would he want to leave?
345
00:21:29,163 --> 00:21:32,963
The public of course are already talking
about you replacing Kevin Keegan.
346
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,843
Is that how you see it?
347
00:21:34,877 --> 00:21:37,130
Kevin Keegan's been here,
he's done a great job for Liverpool
348
00:21:37,171 --> 00:21:39,131
and Liverpool have been very good
to Kevin Keegan.
349
00:21:40,216 --> 00:21:43,345
Kevin Keegan was
a great player for Liverpool
350
00:21:43,385 --> 00:21:47,231
but I think Kenny Dalglish by far
was the better player.
351
00:21:47,264 --> 00:21:50,108
This club will be here long after
Kevin Keegan and myself have gone.
352
00:21:52,190 --> 00:21:55,489
Liverpool, after having won
the European Cup
353
00:21:55,523 --> 00:21:58,322
they must be the number one
club in Europe.
354
00:21:58,692 --> 00:22:01,491
Liverpool's reputation
was spreading round Europe.
355
00:22:01,529 --> 00:22:04,320
There was a feeling of invincibility.
356
00:22:04,657 --> 00:22:07,911
I wasn't going to be Kevin.
I was going to be myself.
357
00:22:07,952 --> 00:22:09,920
And if that was going
to be good enough
358
00:22:09,954 --> 00:22:12,173
then it would be a happy story
for everybody.
359
00:22:12,623 --> 00:22:14,910
Dalglish...
360
00:22:14,124 --> 00:22:16,923
Oh, that's nice!
That's lovely!
361
00:22:18,212 --> 00:22:20,135
He hit the ground running.
362
00:22:20,172 --> 00:22:23,847
Straight away you could tell,
this fella is something special.
363
00:22:23,884 --> 00:22:25,227
He's got a second chance
364
00:22:25,261 --> 00:22:26,888
because Harris's
clearance was a bad one.
365
00:22:26,929 --> 00:22:28,397
And he's curled it in!
366
00:22:28,430 --> 00:22:31,855
The minute he started
playing I was mesmerized.
367
00:22:31,892 --> 00:22:33,144
Kenny Dalglish!
368
00:22:33,185 --> 00:22:35,979
Much too good a player to be
given a second chance.
369
00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:37,607
We thought,
'We've had it good up until now.
370
00:22:37,648 --> 00:22:39,150
This is going to be great!'
371
00:22:39,191 --> 00:22:40,738
Dalglish, the shot and it's going in!
372
00:22:40,776 --> 00:22:43,976
If I was a manager, he would be the first
name on the team-sheet week after week.
373
00:22:45,197 --> 00:22:50,499
He had grace, he had skill
and he had football intelligence.
374
00:22:51,579 --> 00:22:55,830
You saw a player
that has all the time in the world.
375
00:22:56,250 --> 00:22:58,480
You knew there was something
special there.
376
00:22:58,919 --> 00:23:00,842
He had three defenders around him.
377
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,850
He went one way, he went the other
and then he went between them.
378
00:23:03,883 --> 00:23:06,636
And as he came from going
the other way
379
00:23:06,677 --> 00:23:09,772
I'm sure his shoulder was
almost on the ground.
380
00:23:09,805 --> 00:23:11,773
He was like a dancer.
381
00:23:15,686 --> 00:23:18,938
Kenny Dalglish was born
with a great gift.
382
00:23:18,939 --> 00:23:22,193
And that's something I suppose
if you asked him to describe
383
00:23:22,234 --> 00:23:24,328
how he scored a goal or explain
how he did something
384
00:23:24,361 --> 00:23:25,533
he'd find it almost impossible.
385
00:23:25,571 --> 00:23:27,915
I do and I know Kenny would as well.
386
00:23:27,948 --> 00:23:31,770
His brain, you can see he's three, four
moves ahead of everyone else.
387
00:23:31,118 --> 00:23:34,748
And at times I've watched him play
and I've got frustrated for him
388
00:23:34,788 --> 00:23:37,132
because I know he's thinking
ahead of other people.
389
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:40,173
Certainly, the idea is to take the battle
390
00:23:40,210 --> 00:23:41,757
even more now to Brugge.
391
00:23:42,671 --> 00:23:44,799
It was a game that was
going nowhere.
392
00:23:45,549 --> 00:23:47,347
Still no goals.
393
00:23:48,177 --> 00:23:50,396
And then this moment came.
394
00:23:50,429 --> 00:23:52,220
And here's Dalglish.
395
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,600
Souness had the ball
and he divided the defense.
396
00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:57,899
Kenny runs on to it and then...
397
00:24:07,321 --> 00:24:09,244
we'd won the European Cup!
398
00:24:14,495 --> 00:24:17,890
To score a goal
was a dream come true.
399
00:24:19,416 --> 00:24:21,919
If you scored a goal,
you got a Mini.
400
00:24:22,461 --> 00:24:27,920
I've come in after the game and Marina
went, 'Oh, when will the Mini arrive?!'
401
00:24:27,132 --> 00:24:28,725
I went, 'What do you mean?'
402
00:24:28,759 --> 00:24:31,103
She said, 'Well, you get a Mini
for scoring the winning goal.'
403
00:24:31,136 --> 00:24:35,937
I went, 'Marina, it's gone for
a night out for the boys!
404
00:24:37,101 --> 00:24:38,694
There'll be no Mini!'
405
00:24:40,688 --> 00:24:43,658
I always wanted to go on
an open-top bus,
406
00:24:43,691 --> 00:24:45,785
showing off the trophy.
407
00:24:45,818 --> 00:24:47,616
There was a restriction in Glasgow
408
00:24:47,653 --> 00:24:49,701
that neither Celtic or Rangers
could do a bus tour.
409
00:24:50,781 --> 00:24:55,200
Ah, that was unbelievable
the number of people that turned out.
410
00:24:55,350 --> 00:24:59,461
Also, there was a significant number
of blue and white scarves there as well.
411
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,425
It was just a reflection of
the people in the city.
412
00:25:08,257 --> 00:25:13,130
The fans, the atmosphere
was just the best.
413
00:25:17,224 --> 00:25:18,976
It was unbelievable.
414
00:25:19,180 --> 00:25:22,147
But you were usually that pissed
you cannae remember!
415
00:25:28,652 --> 00:25:32,122
Where there is discord,
may we bring harmony.
416
00:25:32,156 --> 00:25:35,160
Where there is error,
may we bring truth.
417
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,329
Where there is doubt,
may we bring faith.
418
00:25:41,248 --> 00:25:43,216
I always thought that Liverpool
419
00:25:43,250 --> 00:25:45,799
was like a pain in the arse
to the establishment.
420
00:25:47,460 --> 00:25:49,925
They had no time for Liverpool
whatsoever.
421
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,353
For more than a generation,
Liverpool had been like the hub.
422
00:25:54,386 --> 00:25:57,640
Everything that came into the country
more or less came into Liverpool.
423
00:25:59,391 --> 00:26:01,985
The country owed
quite a lot to Liverpool.
424
00:26:02,190 --> 00:26:04,818
But when they decided it didn't
have much more to contribute
425
00:26:04,855 --> 00:26:08,951
particularly under Heath and Thatcher,
'We'll give it the elbow.'
426
00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:12,242
It was struggling in terms of poverty
427
00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:15,249
it was struggling in terms of
institutionalized racism
428
00:26:15,282 --> 00:26:18,661
and it was struggling in terms of the
marginalization of its working class.
429
00:26:20,662 --> 00:26:24,508
'In the present context,
it may serve to as a useful reminder
430
00:26:24,541 --> 00:26:29,843
of the need to be careful not to
over-commit scarce resources to Liverpool.
431
00:26:30,506 --> 00:26:35,854
I cannot help feeling that
the option of managed decline
432
00:26:35,886 --> 00:26:39,186
is one which we should
not forget altogether.
433
00:26:39,223 --> 00:26:45,697
We must not expend all our resources in
trying to make water flow uphill.'
434
00:26:45,729 --> 00:26:50,280
That's appalling. That is appalling.
435
00:26:52,111 --> 00:26:54,239
These were bad times.
And serious times.
436
00:26:56,532 --> 00:26:58,703
You know when you're pushed
against a wall
437
00:26:58,704 --> 00:27:00,668
and there's nowhere else
you can go.
438
00:27:00,702 --> 00:27:02,579
The only way you can go
anywhere is forward.
439
00:27:04,373 --> 00:27:08,300
The one thing that did give
people some hope was the football.
440
00:27:08,836 --> 00:27:13,387
I'll never forget, you know,
walking three miles up to the ground
441
00:27:13,423 --> 00:27:16,970
and the feeling, the buzz
as you were getting closer.
442
00:27:17,928 --> 00:27:23,401
It just gave everybody in
that city something to believe in.
443
00:27:25,102 --> 00:27:27,196
You get heartbreak,
you share the heartbreak.
444
00:27:28,210 --> 00:27:29,739
When they thought
we were a little bit down
445
00:27:29,773 --> 00:27:31,366
they could lift us.
446
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:32,697
And when you scored a goal...
447
00:27:34,236 --> 00:27:35,533
Well, you share in it.
448
00:27:36,196 --> 00:27:38,699
What else have you got to look for?
449
00:27:38,740 --> 00:27:40,492
And all's you've got is the football.
450
00:27:41,535 --> 00:27:43,412
We'd feel as happy as they did.
451
00:27:44,288 --> 00:27:46,791
I know what's going on all week
and I know we're having a bad time
452
00:27:46,832 --> 00:27:48,755
and I know conditions are
not right but never mind
453
00:27:48,792 --> 00:27:50,840
we've got Saturday
to look forward to.
454
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,508
If you economically marginalize
communities
455
00:27:55,549 --> 00:27:58,473
they won't go away
with their tail between their legs.
456
00:27:58,510 --> 00:28:00,353
They will fight back.
457
00:28:02,970 --> 00:28:04,225
7 minutes to 3.
458
00:28:04,266 --> 00:28:07,861
Without a shadow of doubt,
somebody would shout, 'Stick together.'
459
00:28:07,895 --> 00:28:10,775
"Ever Fallen In Love" by Buzzcocks
460
00:28:18,113 --> 00:28:19,615
Dalglish...
461
00:28:19,656 --> 00:28:21,780
It might break for him.
It does!
462
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,298
It's Dalglish,
and he turns! That's a goal!
463
00:28:57,194 --> 00:29:01,540
I signed for Liverpool as a teenager.
I think 300,000.
464
00:29:01,573 --> 00:29:03,871
But I was really panicking.
465
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:05,832
So first thing,
I walk in the dressing room
466
00:29:05,869 --> 00:29:08,497
I got changed next to Ray Clemence,
Alan Hansen.
467
00:29:08,538 --> 00:29:11,870
You know, and I didn't say
a word and everything.
468
00:29:11,124 --> 00:29:13,752
And I always remember you lot,
the famous one was saying
469
00:29:13,794 --> 00:29:16,263
'You got changed
in the dark did you?' You know?
470
00:29:16,296 --> 00:29:19,175
And everyone was like taking
the mickey and all that
471
00:29:19,216 --> 00:29:21,264
and I didn't know how to take it
to tell you the truth.
472
00:29:21,301 --> 00:29:22,461
I was really panicking, like.
473
00:29:24,221 --> 00:29:25,643
Rushie, you normally
put them in.
474
00:29:26,139 --> 00:29:27,436
I missed it altogether!
475
00:29:27,474 --> 00:29:29,351
A huge part of the success
as the club
476
00:29:29,393 --> 00:29:31,111
was the atmosphere in
the dressing room
477
00:29:31,144 --> 00:29:33,442
and if somebody walks into
the dressing room
478
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,653
the best way to make
them feel part of it
479
00:29:35,691 --> 00:29:37,819
is maybe not to rip them
to bits but...
480
00:29:37,859 --> 00:29:39,310
But you did!
481
00:29:39,690 --> 00:29:40,742
I know, but we were
spoiled for it.
482
00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:42,827
We had loads of ammunition,
didn't we?
483
00:29:42,864 --> 00:29:45,367
Yeah.
484
00:29:45,409 --> 00:29:47,286
What's he like off the pitch?
485
00:29:47,327 --> 00:29:50,752
In 5-a-side, d'you mean?
Or away from the pitch?
486
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:52,507
I don't know. He doesn't talk.
487
00:29:52,541 --> 00:29:54,900
Nobody knows!
488
00:29:54,420 --> 00:29:56,886
I must say I like your cat.
Are you fond of animals?
489
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,800
Yes, my favourite is a seal.
And I also like whales.
490
00:30:00,841 --> 00:30:02,218
Well, where do you keep them?
491
00:30:02,259 --> 00:30:04,853
Well, now, I spend most of my time
around the pool.
492
00:30:04,886 --> 00:30:06,888
There are a lots of big fish there.
493
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,686
If you're winding them up
or having a laugh at their expense
494
00:30:11,727 --> 00:30:14,401
it's almost like you
welcome them.
495
00:30:14,438 --> 00:30:16,611
The first impression,
no, I didn't like Kenny.
496
00:30:17,441 --> 00:30:20,615
I was very shy and also
I remember about Kenny
497
00:30:20,652 --> 00:30:22,154
he just took the mickey out of me.
498
00:30:22,195 --> 00:30:25,449
Yeah, I got a wee bit on top of him
I think at the very beginning.
499
00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:28,744
So in trying to be helpful,
although it might sound cruel
500
00:30:28,785 --> 00:30:31,629
the help that you were giving him,
we almost lost him.
501
00:30:32,622 --> 00:30:35,250
Almost lost him.
What a tragedy that would have been.
502
00:30:35,292 --> 00:30:39,798
Onside. Ian Rush.
1-0 Liverpool. Brilliant goal!
503
00:30:39,838 --> 00:30:43,183
Then after about 6 or 7 months,
you realised everyone's in it together.
504
00:30:43,216 --> 00:30:45,264
That's what the true
Liverpool spirit was, wasn't it?
505
00:30:45,302 --> 00:30:48,210
Aye.
- As you say, it wasn't just the games.
506
00:30:48,550 --> 00:30:50,145
Going in everyday,
knowing about what's going on
507
00:30:50,146 --> 00:30:51,562
about the club and everything.
508
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,220
As Kenny was getting older
509
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:54,983
he said, 'Now you can help rne
with the running and all that.'
510
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,317
And that's what you do.
511
00:30:56,355 --> 00:30:59,234
He said, 'Your job is just
to score goals.
512
00:30:59,274 --> 00:31:00,651
Leave the rest to me.
513
00:31:00,692 --> 00:31:03,161
When I get the ball,
you just run into that space.'
514
00:31:03,195 --> 00:31:05,720
Dalglish. Rush.
515
00:31:05,113 --> 00:31:07,582
He didn't even look.
He just put the ball in that space.
516
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,750
There you see just why
Ian Rush is feared so much.
517
00:31:11,787 --> 00:31:13,400
That's how good Kenny was.
518
00:31:13,380 --> 00:31:15,882
And I thought, 'I can get to like this.'
519
00:31:15,916 --> 00:31:16,963
Because I was quick
520
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,252
Dalglish, look at that. Rush is through...
521
00:31:18,293 --> 00:31:20,466
And I had like two yards
on the defenders.
522
00:31:22,631 --> 00:31:26,135
He's hit the post.
He might score now... he has!
523
00:31:26,885 --> 00:31:28,683
It was his football brain.
524
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,768
He can see things
way before anyone else.
525
00:31:30,806 --> 00:31:32,558
Neal's clearance to Dalglish.
526
00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:33,942
Beautiful turn.
527
00:31:33,975 --> 00:31:36,603
Oh, and on for Rush
with a perfect through ball.
528
00:31:38,210 --> 00:31:39,701
Because I managed to get
on his wavelength.
529
00:31:40,315 --> 00:31:41,942
Ian Rush celebrates the goal
530
00:31:41,983 --> 00:31:44,987
but Kenny Dalglish,
the creator supreme.
531
00:31:46,238 --> 00:31:48,707
What he was best at
was turning defenders.
532
00:31:49,574 --> 00:31:51,702
Splendid turn.
Clemence in the way again
533
00:31:51,743 --> 00:31:53,791
but Rush... and still Clemence...
534
00:31:53,829 --> 00:31:55,797
Then once he turned defenders
he was either in himself
535
00:31:55,831 --> 00:31:57,424
or he'd put someone else in.
536
00:31:57,457 --> 00:32:00,711
Straight on from Dalglish to Rush...
537
00:32:02,421 --> 00:32:03,421
and it's in at last!
538
00:32:05,173 --> 00:32:07,676
He was not one for self-glory.
539
00:32:07,717 --> 00:32:09,936
He was a reflection of what
Liverpool was all about.
540
00:32:11,721 --> 00:32:14,816
Ronnie Whelan came in at
the same time as you
541
00:32:14,850 --> 00:32:16,773
and he used to take the piss
out of you as well.
542
00:32:19,729 --> 00:32:21,481
Kenny for me is the best
Liverpool player
543
00:32:21,523 --> 00:32:22,900
they've had in their history.
544
00:32:22,941 --> 00:32:24,909
He's the King without doubt.
545
00:32:33,535 --> 00:32:36,129
This afternoon, Liverpool appointed
a new player-manager
546
00:32:36,163 --> 00:32:40,505
to replace Joe Fagan, who announced
his retirement before yesterday's match.
547
00:32:40,506 --> 00:32:44,755
He's Kenny Dalglish, one of Liverpool's
most capped international players.
548
00:32:54,764 --> 00:32:57,108
Shanks built the place
for everybody.
549
00:32:57,142 --> 00:32:59,611
Old Bob carried it on.
Joe Fagan was next.
550
00:32:59,644 --> 00:33:01,817
And then I'm thrown into that.
551
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:06,569
He came to rne room and
he said, 'I need a bit of advice.'
552
00:33:06,610 --> 00:33:10,490
He says, 'What about management?
What do you think?'
553
00:33:11,323 --> 00:33:12,870
I says, 'Do you fancy it?'
554
00:33:12,908 --> 00:33:16,287
He says, 'Yeah, well, there could be
something in the offing.'
555
00:33:16,328 --> 00:33:18,581
And a few weeks later
he's the manager of Liverpool.
556
00:33:19,456 --> 00:33:22,209
When I saw that, I says,
'You bugger, you've...
557
00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:23,923
you've had me!'
558
00:33:26,129 --> 00:33:28,257
We were going out for something
to eat with the girls
559
00:33:28,298 --> 00:33:31,510
and he just turned around and he said,
'I've got news for you.
560
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,220
They've asked rne to become manager of
Liverpool and I've accepted.'
561
00:33:34,221 --> 00:33:36,644
So I said,
'Yeah, you're kidding.'
562
00:33:36,681 --> 00:33:38,979
He said, 'No, no, no.'
I said, 'Well...'
563
00:33:39,170 --> 00:33:40,894
He said, 'No, no, Joe's gone, ' he says.
564
00:33:40,936 --> 00:33:42,654
'And I'm gonna be
player-manager.'
565
00:33:42,687 --> 00:33:45,816
I mean, I had three years left
on my contract or four years left.
566
00:33:45,857 --> 00:33:48,986
I'd just signed a four-year contract
so I'm thinking...
567
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,621
'Well, I'm not taking a chance here
568
00:33:51,655 --> 00:33:55,660
because if I'm rubbish the first year,
just take the managerial role off rne
569
00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:57,668
and I'll carry on in
my playing contract.'
570
00:33:58,662 --> 00:34:00,585
I'd never really heard about
player-managers
571
00:34:00,622 --> 00:34:02,420
and then when we heard that
Kenny Dalglish was gonna manage
572
00:34:02,457 --> 00:34:05,631
Liverpool and Liverpool were
obviously the best team in Europe
573
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:07,797
how did the team respond to that?
574
00:34:07,837 --> 00:34:09,383
You have to call him 'boss'.
575
00:34:09,384 --> 00:34:11,554
He's your boss so you've
got to call him 'boss.'
576
00:34:11,591 --> 00:34:13,719
'That means I can't talk to you now.'
577
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,637
And he said,
'Oh, nothing's gonna change.'
578
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:17,226
I said, 'Nothing's gonna change?
579
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:19,357
You've got to be kidding, ain't you?'
580
00:34:19,391 --> 00:34:22,590
He knew that in the dressing room
581
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,439
I would never, ever tell him
anything that was going on
582
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,482
and he didn't want that.
583
00:34:27,524 --> 00:34:29,902
But if there were any problems
I could go to him and say
584
00:34:29,943 --> 00:34:31,490
'Look, there's a bit of a
problem here.' Whatever.
585
00:34:31,528 --> 00:34:33,656
It worked absolutely perfectly.
586
00:34:33,697 --> 00:34:36,746
I remember coming back to
the house with Jannie
587
00:34:36,783 --> 00:34:41,459
and saying, 'That's it.
I mean, this friendship's gone.
588
00:34:41,496 --> 00:34:43,624
And it'll never ever come back.'
589
00:34:43,665 --> 00:34:46,635
But you know, he came in and...
590
00:34:47,627 --> 00:34:50,130
well, I mean he still has that...
591
00:34:50,171 --> 00:34:51,343
and he was still playing.
592
00:34:51,381 --> 00:34:54,550
And you know what he was like
when he got older, he got grumpier.
593
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,390
You know, when you used
to play it into his feet
594
00:34:56,428 --> 00:35:00,228
you could play it five yards either
side and then when he got older
595
00:35:00,265 --> 00:35:01,733
you had to be spot on.
596
00:35:01,766 --> 00:35:04,110
Go wide on either side.
597
00:35:04,144 --> 00:35:05,771
Phil Neal was captain.
598
00:35:05,812 --> 00:35:08,816
I swapped that and put
Alan in as captain.
599
00:35:08,857 --> 00:35:10,575
Not because he was
a better player
600
00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:14,113
not because he was a
pa! of mine
601
00:35:14,154 --> 00:35:16,282
because I thought a captain
has to be fortunate
602
00:35:16,323 --> 00:35:18,746
has to be lucky, as well as good
603
00:35:18,783 --> 00:35:22,300
and to have the respect
of the dressing room
604
00:35:22,370 --> 00:35:23,835
and I think he had all three.
605
00:35:23,872 --> 00:35:27,460
Pre-season friendly at
Brighton, I'm sitting beside him
606
00:35:27,830 --> 00:35:29,882
and he goes,
'Right, you take the ball.'
607
00:35:30,462 --> 00:35:31,930
And I went,
'What are you talking about?'
608
00:35:31,963 --> 00:35:35,308
He said, 'Are you taking the piss?
You're the captain.'
609
00:35:37,636 --> 00:35:40,230
Never changed a thing. Did you?
Really.
610
00:35:40,263 --> 00:35:41,981
Monday morning,
when we used to...
611
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:43,312
We had tea and biscuits.
612
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,939
It was his idea and he even
went and bought the biscuits.
613
00:35:47,979 --> 00:35:50,448
Borrowed the money of course
but great idea!
614
00:35:54,694 --> 00:35:58,742
I thought it was gonna be difficult,
it was gonna be a huge change
615
00:35:58,743 --> 00:36:01,619
but if they had the belief in me
then the least I could do
616
00:36:01,660 --> 00:36:04,914
was try and find out if I had
the belief in myself.
617
00:36:04,954 --> 00:36:06,581
Who are the players you like?
618
00:36:06,623 --> 00:36:08,796
Kenny Dalglish.
- Paul Walsh.
619
00:36:08,833 --> 00:36:10,500
Paul Walsh!
- Jan Molby.
620
00:36:10,794 --> 00:36:13,923
We played Everton
and we get beaten 2-0.
621
00:36:13,963 --> 00:36:15,510
And Grobbelaar. Goal!
622
00:36:16,675 --> 00:36:19,144
And we go out for dinner at night
and I say to him
623
00:36:19,177 --> 00:36:21,646
'This is the worst Liverpool side
I've ever played in.'
624
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,398
Can it be 2 for Everton?
625
00:36:23,431 --> 00:36:24,431
By far!
626
00:36:25,580 --> 00:36:26,401
It is!
627
00:36:26,851 --> 00:36:29,240
And he turned round and he said,
'Well, ' he said
628
00:36:29,620 --> 00:36:30,359
'Yeah' he said.
629
00:36:30,397 --> 00:36:31,819
'Maybe the players aren't
as good this season.'
630
00:36:31,856 --> 00:36:34,860
But if we could just
get something going
631
00:36:34,901 --> 00:36:36,403
you know, we could still
do something.'
632
00:36:36,444 --> 00:36:38,492
And I've gone,
'Have you been drinking?!'
633
00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:42,496
And Dalglish gets away
with Rush going on the left.
634
00:36:42,534 --> 00:36:47,131
On the right he's got Craig Johnston.
This is Rush. Yes!
635
00:36:48,581 --> 00:36:50,174
And now Johnston.
636
00:36:50,917 --> 00:36:54,638
And he fires it across. McMahon!
He's got his second.
637
00:36:55,839 --> 00:36:58,308
Gillespie getting up underneath
this one and his header!
638
00:36:58,309 --> 00:37:00,267
Finds the back of the net!
639
00:37:01,761 --> 00:37:03,308
So you think Liverpool are gonna win?
640
00:37:03,346 --> 00:37:04,643
Yeah.
641
00:37:04,848 --> 00:37:07,397
Well, who's gonna beat them?
- CROWD LAUGHS
642
00:37:11,980 --> 00:37:13,823
That was Hansen heading down.
643
00:37:13,857 --> 00:37:15,359
Thomas miscued.
644
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,529
And Rush played it back
and Whelan fired it
645
00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:20,720
and it came to Molby.
646
00:37:20,113 --> 00:37:21,706
And that's the equalizer!
647
00:37:21,740 --> 00:37:25,495
We just got a bit of momentum
and kept going and going and going.
648
00:37:25,535 --> 00:37:27,629
It was like a journey
that we're on.
649
00:37:29,380 --> 00:37:31,166
And Whelan coming forward...
650
00:37:32,834 --> 00:37:36,134
There it is! Number two!
651
00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:38,597
Rush is in there...
652
00:37:38,965 --> 00:37:40,638
Oh, and it fell to McMahon!
653
00:37:41,426 --> 00:37:43,178
We won 12 and drew the other one
654
00:37:43,219 --> 00:37:45,472
in the last 13 matches
and then we won the double.
655
00:37:45,513 --> 00:37:47,356
And Dalglish is in here.
656
00:37:47,390 --> 00:37:51,611
Yes! The player-manager
scores the goal!
657
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,900
They win the double!
The finest team that we've ever seen!
658
00:37:56,941 --> 00:38:00,115
And then it's...
3-2.
659
00:38:03,490 --> 00:38:04,662
And Dalglish...
660
00:38:04,699 --> 00:38:07,452
And Rush is on the far side.
Is this 3? It is!
661
00:38:12,832 --> 00:38:15,506
You went crazy when we
came off that pitch.
662
00:38:15,543 --> 00:38:17,295
And Liverpool Football Club
663
00:38:17,337 --> 00:38:20,807
have become only
the third team this century
664
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,344
to win the marvelous double
in the same season.
665
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:35,480
From somewhere he galvanized
the players from really nowhere.
666
00:38:39,234 --> 00:38:41,320
It's one of his greatest
achievements.
667
00:38:42,529 --> 00:38:44,247
Probably the greatest.
668
00:38:47,659 --> 00:38:49,200
Here.
669
00:38:49,350 --> 00:38:51,584
Have a wee sip. Let's see what
that is you're drinking, Lyns.
670
00:38:55,834 --> 00:38:57,131
Good girl.
671
00:38:58,545 --> 00:39:00,388
Oh, yes.
672
00:39:01,381 --> 00:39:03,509
This is what the cameraman
likes to see!
673
00:39:04,175 --> 00:39:06,303
Yes, Dad! Yeah!
674
00:39:06,344 --> 00:39:07,971
Dad does video.
675
00:39:13,476 --> 00:39:15,604
He promised me that when
he finished playing
676
00:39:15,645 --> 00:39:18,489
he had no intentions of doing
anything in football.
677
00:39:19,566 --> 00:39:21,534
Hello!
- Hello?
678
00:39:21,568 --> 00:39:23,115
He didn't know
what he was going to do
679
00:39:23,152 --> 00:39:26,760
and then he was offered
the manager job at Liverpool.
680
00:39:27,323 --> 00:39:30,122
Lynsey, your share's over
beside the rocking horse.
681
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:31,536
That's all your pressies.
682
00:39:32,412 --> 00:39:34,255
Go and see if there are
any babies over there.
683
00:39:34,289 --> 00:39:36,291
This is the best Christmas ever!
684
00:39:37,830 --> 00:39:39,677
And he'd said to me,
'When I finish playing, that's it for me.'
685
00:39:41,337 --> 00:39:43,556
And he said, 'What will I do
when he's offered us?'
686
00:39:43,590 --> 00:39:46,844
You can't turn the manager of
Liverpool job down.'
687
00:39:46,885 --> 00:39:49,130
Shall I move these?
688
00:39:50,471 --> 00:39:52,690
- Sing, girl.
- No.
689
00:39:52,807 --> 00:39:54,935
♪ Come on Eileen ♪
690
00:39:54,976 --> 00:39:56,899
Dexys Midnight Runners!
691
00:39:58,688 --> 00:40:01,660
Corning straight out
of playing into management...
692
00:40:02,250 --> 00:40:04,119
it was difficult for rne because
I loved the dressing room
693
00:40:04,152 --> 00:40:05,870
I loved the banter,
I loved the carry-on.
694
00:40:05,904 --> 00:40:08,202
Have you tried it?
- It's spicy.
695
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,241
I think he was easier
going when he was player
696
00:40:10,283 --> 00:40:11,751
because you were part of a team.
697
00:40:11,784 --> 00:40:14,162
Whereas as the manager,
everything rests on your shoulders.
698
00:40:14,203 --> 00:40:15,329
I think it was different.
699
00:40:15,371 --> 00:40:18,124
It was more stressful as a manager
than what it was as a player.
700
00:40:18,166 --> 00:40:20,464
Well, he won't play anything!
701
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,633
- He's always in bed.
- Even football?
702
00:40:22,670 --> 00:40:25,480
Well, he plays football with Paul
but he's always in bed.
703
00:40:25,890 --> 00:40:28,389
Yes, and he won't play my
Scalextric with me!
704
00:40:30,940 --> 00:40:31,774
That's not been out
for a long time.
705
00:40:31,804 --> 00:40:35,434
Lynsey, you like
Daddy don't you?
706
00:40:37,602 --> 00:40:39,220
Well, there you go!
707
00:40:39,230 --> 00:40:40,818
Definitely when he was managing
708
00:40:40,855 --> 00:40:42,482
you would notice a
change in mood.
709
00:40:42,523 --> 00:40:45,260
It was very rarely to do with
the result of the game.
710
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,696
It was mostly to do with how
the team had played.
711
00:40:47,737 --> 00:40:49,785
If they'd done what he'd
asked them to do
712
00:40:49,822 --> 00:40:52,245
if he'd felt that they'd
given enough on the pitch.
713
00:40:52,283 --> 00:40:54,126
I remember coming back
in the car once
714
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,505
and he was in a really bad mood
and Mum was like
715
00:40:57,538 --> 00:40:58,630
'If that's what you're like
when you've won
716
00:40:58,665 --> 00:41:00,167
imagine what you're like
when you lose!'
717
00:41:00,208 --> 00:41:03,553
And he was like, 'Yeah but this
went wrong and that went wrong.'
718
00:41:03,586 --> 00:41:07,900
It was harder to predict because
it wasn't all about the result.
719
00:41:07,966 --> 00:41:09,468
When he came home, he unwound.
720
00:41:09,509 --> 00:41:10,806
When he came home
with the children
721
00:41:10,843 --> 00:41:12,186
because four kids you come home
722
00:41:12,220 --> 00:41:13,767
and you really can't..,
723
00:41:13,805 --> 00:41:16,979
you can't think of anything else
when you've got four of you.
724
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,394
But you could have
your moments, couldn't you?
725
00:41:20,186 --> 00:41:22,860
You weren't always like
Mr Nice Guy.
726
00:41:22,897 --> 00:41:25,366
I mean, we... we can't
tell lies about you.
727
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:26,868
You're not always
Mr Nice Guy, are you?
728
00:41:26,901 --> 00:41:28,781
You're not always
a nice person yourself!
729
00:41:28,820 --> 00:41:29,946
Am!
730
00:41:31,300 --> 00:41:33,954
You try your best not to
bring your work home
731
00:41:33,992 --> 00:41:37,166
but I think in football
it's a lot more difficult
732
00:41:37,203 --> 00:41:38,250
not to bring your work home
733
00:41:38,287 --> 00:41:42,337
because everybody else
has brought it into your house.
734
00:41:46,713 --> 00:41:50,763
Kenny, if you don't know him,
can be a very awkward guy.
735
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,643
But, I mean, he's a very
private person
736
00:41:52,677 --> 00:41:55,438
and he's only got time for his family
and people that he really knows.
737
00:41:56,889 --> 00:41:58,687
I mean, he's a nightmare
for the press.
738
00:41:59,684 --> 00:42:03,109
Ideally, he'd like to play
the game of football
739
00:42:03,146 --> 00:42:04,363
and get into his car and
go straight home
740
00:42:04,397 --> 00:42:06,445
and not have to talk to
anybody afterwards.
741
00:42:08,670 --> 00:42:10,695
Obviously, when you stand up
in a press conference
742
00:42:10,737 --> 00:42:12,284
there's a lot of people there
743
00:42:12,321 --> 00:42:14,949
and there's people there
that really you cannae trust
744
00:42:14,991 --> 00:42:17,494
with the words that you're gonna use,
or you'd like to use.
745
00:42:17,535 --> 00:42:19,820
And all you need is one slip
of the tongue
746
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,374
and you get whatever
the quotes you've made
747
00:42:22,415 --> 00:42:24,918
wrongly attributed to you
because they twist them.
748
00:42:26,252 --> 00:42:28,471
The only reason I've come is because
they'll no' tell the truth anyway.
749
00:42:28,504 --> 00:42:30,584
They what, sorry?
- They don't tell the truth anyway.
750
00:42:31,490 --> 00:42:32,767
People are a wee bit
frightened of him.
751
00:42:33,676 --> 00:42:36,930
He growls at people and he's...
he makes people jump.
752
00:42:38,181 --> 00:42:40,183
And that with his knowledge
and that
753
00:42:40,224 --> 00:42:42,602
the fact that he was such
a great player.
754
00:42:42,643 --> 00:42:44,941
I mean, who can argue with him?
755
00:42:44,979 --> 00:42:46,572
You've got to respect that.
756
00:42:46,606 --> 00:42:50,531
Kenny thinks that weakness
is a weakness.
757
00:42:50,568 --> 00:42:53,788
Um, and he ain't for it.
758
00:42:54,781 --> 00:42:57,705
To describe him you'd say
strong character.
759
00:42:58,910 --> 00:43:01,959
In fact, very strong character.
760
00:43:03,539 --> 00:43:06,418
In fact, very, very, very
strong character.
761
00:43:07,210 --> 00:43:09,713
You're called ruthless
but in a nice way.
762
00:43:11,890 --> 00:43:12,341
Well, I don't know about that.
763
00:43:12,342 --> 00:43:14,684
Do you take that as a
compliment or not?
764
00:43:14,717 --> 00:43:16,594
Well, as you say,
I know what I've got to do
765
00:43:16,636 --> 00:43:18,354
and they realise
what I've got to do.
766
00:43:18,387 --> 00:43:21,106
And they realise the importance
I place on them
767
00:43:21,140 --> 00:43:23,268
and they realise the importance
that the decision that I make
768
00:43:23,309 --> 00:43:25,610
is for the club's benefit.
769
00:43:25,103 --> 00:43:27,697
And that's the way it will always
be for rne here.
770
00:43:27,730 --> 00:43:29,528
Some of them were saying as well
771
00:43:29,565 --> 00:43:31,192
that maybe the public have got
the wrong impression of you
772
00:43:31,234 --> 00:43:33,236
through the media,
which isn't your fault obviously
773
00:43:33,277 --> 00:43:34,904
but, uh, you know,
that you are a bit dour.
774
00:43:34,946 --> 00:43:36,448
But we all know...
I mean, I've known you for years
775
00:43:36,489 --> 00:43:38,332
and you've got a cracking
sense of humour.
776
00:43:38,366 --> 00:43:39,959
And you enjoy that, don't you?
777
00:43:39,992 --> 00:43:42,165
Yeah. You've got to have
a laugh, I think.
778
00:43:47,291 --> 00:43:50,761
I think he thinks maybe
somebody's trying to trick him
779
00:43:50,795 --> 00:43:53,844
or trying to coerce him
into a certain answer.
780
00:43:53,881 --> 00:43:56,760
I'm not sure why he's like
that with the media.
781
00:43:56,801 --> 00:43:59,600
I think a lot of his attitude and
commitment was tremendous really.
782
00:43:59,637 --> 00:44:00,637
Erm...
783
00:44:01,305 --> 00:44:03,399
Lawro's playing
out of position and he's...
784
00:44:03,432 --> 00:44:06,600
he's had as good a game
as anybody on the pitch.
785
00:44:08,771 --> 00:44:10,819
But, yeah, he's not like that at all.
786
00:44:14,110 --> 00:44:15,362
He's really, really funny.
787
00:44:22,785 --> 00:44:24,833
Ladies and gentlemen.
788
00:44:26,122 --> 00:44:28,420
That's obviously ladies and gentlemen!
789
00:44:31,252 --> 00:44:32,970
What is it?
- Eh?
790
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:34,564
What's he saying?
What's he saying then?
791
00:44:35,673 --> 00:44:36,970
I'd like to thank...
792
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,560
I'd like to thank...
793
00:44:39,802 --> 00:44:42,351
I think obviously you
understand that the press
794
00:44:43,556 --> 00:44:46,105
have got a role to play
and they've got a job to do.
795
00:44:46,142 --> 00:44:48,565
But equally, I've got a job to do.
796
00:44:48,603 --> 00:44:50,981
I don't need to try
and do their job for them.
797
00:44:51,220 --> 00:44:53,195
And I don't expect them
to try and do my job
798
00:44:53,232 --> 00:44:57,783
so I protected the players
if they deserved to be protected.
799
00:44:59,906 --> 00:45:01,158
It's working!
800
00:45:01,199 --> 00:45:03,577
Let's see your new pyjamas, come on.
801
00:45:03,618 --> 00:45:05,860
It is working.
802
00:45:09,373 --> 00:45:11,671
You have to make the bed now!
I was sleeping!
803
00:45:17,256 --> 00:45:19,350
I'll always be on my guard
when I make statements
804
00:45:19,383 --> 00:45:20,600
about Liverpool Football Club.
805
00:45:20,635 --> 00:45:23,229
I've got to protect myself
basically to protect the club.
806
00:45:23,262 --> 00:45:25,310
So really are you
saying you're being cautious
807
00:45:25,348 --> 00:45:26,600
as opposed to dour?
808
00:45:27,767 --> 00:45:29,110
I've got to concentrate.
809
00:45:29,143 --> 00:45:32,147
I find it hard to concentrate
and speak at the same time.
810
00:45:32,188 --> 00:45:33,815
Speaking's a big problem for me
811
00:45:33,856 --> 00:45:36,560
and I find the concentration
a bit of a problem as well.
812
00:45:36,484 --> 00:45:39,328
He's intelligent although
he pretends he's stupid.
813
00:45:40,290 --> 00:45:43,704
He could cut interviewers in two
just with his one-liners.
814
00:45:44,283 --> 00:45:46,285
I don't understand him and
he said he's got trouble with me.
815
00:45:46,327 --> 00:45:48,295
Well, it goes both ways!
816
00:45:49,538 --> 00:45:51,290
He is a bit hard to understand
817
00:45:51,332 --> 00:45:52,709
I would think in team meetings
and the like, isn't he?
818
00:45:52,750 --> 00:45:54,548
Pardon?
- He's a bit hard to understand...
819
00:45:57,755 --> 00:45:59,980
Be yourself
820
00:45:59,131 --> 00:46:01,759
because when you
wake up in the morning
821
00:46:01,801 --> 00:46:03,599
you know what you've
said the day before.
822
00:46:04,345 --> 00:46:05,722
And if you know yourself
823
00:46:05,763 --> 00:46:07,481
I think you've got to have
a very good memory
824
00:46:07,515 --> 00:46:09,108
to remember what you've said.
825
00:46:09,141 --> 00:46:11,235
And I never had a
very good memory
826
00:46:11,269 --> 00:46:13,271
so it was no use to me that...
827
00:46:13,312 --> 00:46:14,939
that wasn't an option.
828
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:18,858
♪ Liverpool FC is hard as hell
829
00:46:18,859 --> 00:46:21,237
♪ United, Tottenham, Arsenal
830
00:46:21,279 --> 00:46:23,702
♪ Watch my lips
and I will spell
831
00:46:23,739 --> 00:46:27,164
♪ 'Cause they don't just play
but they can rap as well!
832
00:46:27,660 --> 00:46:29,300
♪ Liverpool FC
833
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:32,810
♪ Liverpool FC ♪
834
00:46:32,123 --> 00:46:34,501
Listen, it was a Cup Final
so of course we were gonna do a song.
835
00:46:34,502 --> 00:46:37,424
And I don't know if I wasn't there
we woudn't've done a rap.
836
00:46:39,213 --> 00:46:41,807
♪ Walk on, walk on
837
00:46:41,841 --> 00:46:44,259
♪ With hope in your heart
838
00:46:44,260 --> 00:46:47,730
♪ And you'll never walk alone ♪
839
00:46:47,763 --> 00:46:50,186
It was a good laugh doing it.
- Yeah, it was a laugh.
840
00:46:50,224 --> 00:46:52,397
Can you remember your lines, AI?
- I can't remember.
841
00:46:52,435 --> 00:46:54,195
I can't remember your lines.
- My line was...
842
00:46:54,228 --> 00:46:56,481
♪ You two Scousers
are always yapping
843
00:46:56,522 --> 00:46:58,945
♪ I'm gonna show you some
serious rapping
844
00:46:58,983 --> 00:47:01,532
♪ I come from Jamaica,
my names is John Barnes
845
00:47:01,569 --> 00:47:03,947
♪ When I do my thing
the crowd go bananas ♪
846
00:47:04,572 --> 00:47:07,826
Oh, my word,
that's unbelievable, it really is.
847
00:47:07,867 --> 00:47:09,835
I think they should stick
to playing football.
848
00:47:09,869 --> 00:47:12,213
Terrible.
What do you think, Kenny?
849
00:47:12,246 --> 00:47:13,873
Oh, yeah.
850
00:47:14,874 --> 00:47:17,464
We're thinking
how can we replace Ian Rush?
851
00:47:17,465 --> 00:47:19,428
Rushie was going, he was leaving.
852
00:47:20,338 --> 00:47:21,715
We went out in the market
853
00:47:21,756 --> 00:47:25,226
and bought probably as many
new players in one season
854
00:47:25,259 --> 00:47:27,110
as what Liverpool had done
for a long time.
855
00:47:28,137 --> 00:47:30,686
We had made some changes
and they paid off.
856
00:47:30,723 --> 00:47:32,200
This is Venison.
857
00:47:33,142 --> 00:47:34,610
And here's Barnes.
858
00:47:34,643 --> 00:47:36,316
And Aldridge this time. 2-0.
859
00:47:36,354 --> 00:47:38,197
I played for Watford,
which is long ball.
860
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:39,777
I never thought I'd be a
Liverpool type player.
861
00:47:39,815 --> 00:47:41,783
So obviously Liverpool
sees things in players
862
00:47:41,817 --> 00:47:43,537
that the players don't even
know themselves.
863
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:45,325
McMahon!
864
00:47:45,363 --> 00:47:47,707
Oh, I say. What a belter.
865
00:47:49,330 --> 00:47:50,580
I expected some indoctrination
866
00:47:50,618 --> 00:47:52,586
on when you first come to find
the “Liverpool way.”
867
00:47:52,620 --> 00:47:53,792
And I remember you saying
868
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:55,627
'Well, there's an orange
bib and there's a yellow bib.
869
00:47:55,664 --> 00:47:57,424
And just pass to someone
in that orange bib.'
870
00:47:58,167 --> 00:47:59,214
Barnes.
871
00:47:59,251 --> 00:48:01,470
Oh, lovely back heel. McMahon.
872
00:48:01,504 --> 00:48:03,927
Aldridge, good challenge.
Beardsley!
873
00:48:03,964 --> 00:48:07,130
Oh, that's a lovely goal.
That's a lovely goal.
874
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:09,770
They did have rules on the pitch.
875
00:48:09,804 --> 00:48:12,398
But within those rules...
- The framework, yeah.
876
00:48:12,431 --> 00:48:14,399
You had tremendous
freedom to play.
877
00:48:15,643 --> 00:48:17,361
He had a long time to clear that.
878
00:48:17,395 --> 00:48:19,272
He dwelt on it too long.
Barnes...
879
00:48:19,980 --> 00:48:22,574
And Barnes again. Three.
880
00:48:23,943 --> 00:48:25,866
People talk about time to settle in
881
00:48:25,903 --> 00:48:27,325
and when you talk about time
to settle in
882
00:48:27,363 --> 00:48:30,820
is it three games into the season?
Is it 10 games into the season?
883
00:48:30,116 --> 00:48:31,914
I'm talking about the first week
884
00:48:31,951 --> 00:48:33,498
the first two weeks in
pre-season training
885
00:48:33,536 --> 00:48:36,500
before we'd even played a game,
just being with the lads
886
00:48:36,380 --> 00:48:37,460
just playing football with the lads
887
00:48:37,498 --> 00:48:39,796
the acceptance and, you know,
the camaraderie.
888
00:48:39,834 --> 00:48:43,540
John was an ideal player for us
to go down the touch lines.
889
00:48:43,870 --> 00:48:46,387
Talented, skilful, scored a goal,
made a goal.
890
00:48:46,799 --> 00:48:49,678
He's got Beardsley
going to his left but still Barnes!
891
00:48:49,718 --> 00:48:52,221
That's a fabulous individual goal!
892
00:48:52,972 --> 00:48:54,612
When I picked it up on that
left-hand side
893
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,608
there was only one person
I was looking for.
894
00:48:57,977 --> 00:49:01,277
It's just that one sliding
into the left-hand side
895
00:49:01,313 --> 00:49:04,317
because you know that
he's going to keep it for you.
896
00:49:06,861 --> 00:49:11,241
He could go past people for fun and it
was a really, really exciting time.
897
00:49:11,282 --> 00:49:14,252
Barnes, took on Caesar, still Barnes.
898
00:49:14,285 --> 00:49:15,502
Brilliant.
899
00:49:15,536 --> 00:49:17,584
Houghton couldn't convert.
McMahon...
900
00:49:17,621 --> 00:49:18,964
Three in the way
901
00:49:18,998 --> 00:49:22,127
They knitted so well together, the hunger
and the desire to be successful
902
00:49:22,168 --> 00:49:23,841
was there for everybody to see.
903
00:49:24,170 --> 00:49:25,638
McMahon won that back
904
00:49:25,671 --> 00:49:29,517
Barnes, Beardsley and Aldridge,
you know, they just seemed to gel.
905
00:49:29,550 --> 00:49:31,970
Oh, a goal for Aldridge!
906
00:49:31,886 --> 00:49:34,605
It was intuition.
It was one-touch football.
907
00:49:34,638 --> 00:49:35,810
Beardsley.
908
00:49:37,308 --> 00:49:39,606
Oh, brilliantly done by
Peter Beardsley!
909
00:49:42,396 --> 00:49:44,649
The quality was there for
everybody to see.
910
00:49:45,608 --> 00:49:47,451
They never let go throughout
the whole season.
911
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,871
Nottingham Forest were
a good side at the time
912
00:49:50,905 --> 00:49:52,157
and one of the top three teams
in the country.
913
00:49:52,198 --> 00:49:53,575
Houghton. Barnes.
914
00:49:53,616 --> 00:49:55,840
Houghton goes again.
He's through.
915
00:49:56,327 --> 00:50:00,377
You talk about a 90-minute
performance of not just quality
916
00:50:00,414 --> 00:50:02,540
but of players making
the right decisions.
917
00:50:02,625 --> 00:50:04,502
Finds space and finds Aldridge.
918
00:50:06,300 --> 00:50:10,679
And that is another superb
Liverpool goal.
919
00:50:10,716 --> 00:50:13,469
The performance
the players put on was fantastic.
920
00:50:13,511 --> 00:50:14,683
Working it to Houghton.
921
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:16,188
Aldridge. Gillespie!
922
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:21,610
They had great determination that
they wanted to play well for 90 minutes.
923
00:50:21,620 --> 00:50:23,358
Barnes against Chettle.
924
00:50:26,565 --> 00:50:28,238
Look at Barnes here.
925
00:50:28,275 --> 00:50:29,527
They're waiting for the pull back.
926
00:50:29,568 --> 00:50:31,360
Beardsley!
927
00:50:31,700 --> 00:50:34,700
Oh! A glorious goal again.
928
00:50:34,740 --> 00:50:37,835
We played the game as if it
was 0-0 when we were 5-0 up.
929
00:50:38,452 --> 00:50:41,877
And Beardsley
and Spackman and Aldridge! It's 5!
930
00:50:44,830 --> 00:50:47,678
That's the finest exhibition
I've seen in the whole time
931
00:50:47,711 --> 00:50:51,466
I've played and watched the game.
It was absolutely tremendous.
932
00:50:51,507 --> 00:50:54,852
Corning from Shankly's
favourite player, Sir Torn Finney.
933
00:50:54,885 --> 00:50:57,513
We all went back to the pub
that night and we're going
934
00:50:57,555 --> 00:51:01,103
'Do you think we'll ever see a team
performance as good as that?'
935
00:51:01,104 --> 00:51:03,353
Everybody kept asking
about the secret.
936
00:51:04,103 --> 00:51:06,276
I'll tell you what I think the secret is.
937
00:51:06,313 --> 00:51:08,566
Everybody that's got a job to do,
does it well.
938
00:51:09,149 --> 00:51:11,720
Hello, Paul!
- Oh, Pedro!
939
00:51:11,235 --> 00:51:12,612
What are you eating?
940
00:51:12,653 --> 00:51:14,750
Eat with your mouth closed!
941
00:51:14,113 --> 00:51:15,990
Smile, you're on candid camera!
942
00:51:16,310 --> 00:51:17,310
Say hello!
943
00:51:18,576 --> 00:51:20,624
Hello, Bruce!
944
00:51:21,245 --> 00:51:23,430
Congratulations!
945
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,708
What for?
- What for?
946
00:51:25,749 --> 00:51:28,930
He's not pregnant,
he just put the...
947
00:51:28,127 --> 00:51:29,845
Did you think I was pregnant?
948
00:51:32,965 --> 00:51:34,638
So we're coming to see you soon.
949
00:51:34,675 --> 00:51:36,598
Have you looked your doors
and changed your looks?
950
00:51:36,635 --> 00:51:39,309
They're coming
straight from my house.
951
00:51:41,765 --> 00:51:45,190
Ooh, we might have to go because
the food's gonna be here in three minutes.
952
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,813
Good!
953
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:50,324
Bye!
- Miss you!
954
00:51:50,357 --> 00:51:52,405
They didn't let rne in the picture.
Bye!
955
00:51:52,443 --> 00:51:54,700
Bye, Paul, bye bye.
956
00:51:54,111 --> 00:51:56,340
Bye!
957
00:52:10,127 --> 00:52:12,346
I don't think he's ever
let rne win at anything.
958
00:52:14,882 --> 00:52:17,601
Even from a young age
I've always had to earn it.
959
00:52:18,260 --> 00:52:19,227
I'll take that.
960
00:52:19,228 --> 00:52:21,893
That's why maybe
I am the way I am.
961
00:52:21,930 --> 00:52:23,648
It's in the water.
962
00:52:23,682 --> 00:52:26,590
In life you don't just get
things given to you, do you?
963
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,313
No pressure.
- No.
964
00:52:28,354 --> 00:52:29,822
You've got to earn it.
965
00:52:29,855 --> 00:52:31,949
So what's the point
making it simple for him?
966
00:52:33,651 --> 00:52:35,278
Oh, there we go.
967
00:52:35,319 --> 00:52:37,572
I expect to win. I need to win.
968
00:52:39,865 --> 00:52:42,709
There's no times that you can lose
that don't feel bad.
969
00:52:43,410 --> 00:52:45,333
Do you know you're not allowed
to do that after you've started?
970
00:52:45,371 --> 00:52:46,714
I know that.
971
00:52:47,831 --> 00:52:50,755
That's probably something
I got from him
972
00:52:50,793 --> 00:52:53,387
from even playing golf
against him.
973
00:52:54,296 --> 00:52:55,816
You must be in the bushes, Paul.
974
00:52:56,548 --> 00:52:58,516
Nice to see him help me
look for my ball.
975
00:52:59,900 --> 00:53:01,110
Playing now, there's just
that ruthlessness
976
00:53:01,530 --> 00:53:03,101
to always be successful.
977
00:53:03,847 --> 00:53:06,100
I'm even more pleased that
I think you've lost it.
978
00:53:09,144 --> 00:53:10,646
Where did it go?
979
00:53:12,439 --> 00:53:17,161
There was a company from Italy
called Pantofola D'Oro
980
00:53:17,194 --> 00:53:18,912
and they used to make these boots
981
00:53:18,946 --> 00:53:22,200
but they were... you got them
custom ordered if you...
982
00:53:22,241 --> 00:53:23,458
they put, like...
983
00:53:23,492 --> 00:53:25,870
'Which colour do you want this bit?'
Which colour do you want this bit?'
984
00:53:25,911 --> 00:53:27,413
'What type of leather do
you want this bit?'
985
00:53:27,454 --> 00:53:31,129
'What sole?' They were beautiful,
like, amazing boots.
986
00:53:32,126 --> 00:53:34,595
So when I was playing they said,
'Oh, we wanna give you boots.'
987
00:53:34,628 --> 00:53:37,632
And there was no money
but they'd give us boots.
988
00:53:37,673 --> 00:53:41,177
So I got these boots
with a little bit of red on them.
989
00:53:42,344 --> 00:53:44,392
And I'm telling you it was like...
990
00:53:45,222 --> 00:53:47,645
a little bit...
like, a little bit of red.
991
00:53:48,517 --> 00:53:52,738
And he said, 'You must be some
player, you, with red on your boots.
992
00:53:52,771 --> 00:53:54,694
Why don't you bring attention to yourself
993
00:53:54,732 --> 00:53:56,951
by the way you play,
not by the way you look?'
994
00:53:57,359 --> 00:53:59,703
Do you remember that?
- No.
995
00:54:00,446 --> 00:54:02,949
One of my best friends
growing up was a guy called Gavin Jones
996
00:54:02,990 --> 00:54:04,663
and his dad Eddie Jones.
997
00:54:04,700 --> 00:54:08,204
My dad said, 'Come on, Eddie,
we'll take on the kids.'
998
00:54:08,996 --> 00:54:10,430
High.
999
00:54:10,789 --> 00:54:12,336
Gav hits a shot...
1000
00:54:12,374 --> 00:54:13,626
Go on.
1001
00:54:13,667 --> 00:54:15,761
It might still be you.
1002
00:54:16,503 --> 00:54:19,803
'Well done, Paul, well done, Gav.'
1003
00:54:21,425 --> 00:54:22,802
You are getting nothing!
1004
00:54:24,845 --> 00:54:27,849
Three or four holes in
Gav hits a putt.
1005
00:54:28,849 --> 00:54:31,102
Maybe a 6 or 7-footer, goes in.
1006
00:54:32,269 --> 00:54:35,113
'Well done, son. Great putt.'
1007
00:54:35,147 --> 00:54:40,199
'Eddie, what do you mean
“well done”?'
1008
00:54:40,235 --> 00:54:41,908
He said, 'We're one down.'
1009
00:54:41,945 --> 00:54:44,198
He said, 'Do you wanna win?!'
1010
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:45,912
He said, 'No more “well dones.”'
1011
00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:48,247
I don't think you can get
through your life
1012
00:54:48,285 --> 00:54:49,332
without being competitive.
1013
00:54:50,204 --> 00:54:52,627
There's not been a hole halved Paul.
- No.
1014
00:54:52,664 --> 00:54:55,383
You've won three. I've won three.
1015
00:54:59,922 --> 00:55:02,391
Will you give me that?
- Aye, I'll give you that.
1016
00:55:02,424 --> 00:55:03,926
I got that?
- I said I'll give you a half!
1017
00:55:03,967 --> 00:55:06,950
I wasn't even trying it!
1018
00:55:06,136 --> 00:55:07,433
I'll take that!
1019
00:55:07,471 --> 00:55:10,315
Anything that he was
involved in, he wanted to win.
1020
00:55:10,349 --> 00:55:14,104
The grandkids have made him soft!
I'll take it!
1021
00:55:14,144 --> 00:55:17,273
He enjoyed nothing more than winning.
1022
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:27,496
It's weird how things
have gone full circle.
1023
00:55:27,533 --> 00:55:30,286
There you go, in there.
Don't touch anything.
1024
00:55:30,327 --> 00:55:32,580
I wanted to shout at him,
'Stay off the pitch!'
1025
00:55:32,621 --> 00:55:36,000
'Don't touch anything in the office!'
Because that was my childhood.
1026
00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:38,343
I get to sit on this side now.
1027
00:55:38,585 --> 00:55:41,384
I know.
- He's not changed a bit.
1028
00:55:42,339 --> 00:55:44,499
Mind you, it was only last week
that picture was taken.
1029
00:55:45,717 --> 00:55:47,515
I don't even think I get a mention.
1030
00:55:48,303 --> 00:55:50,476
Do I get a mention in this one?
- I don't know.
1031
00:55:50,514 --> 00:55:52,610
It's all... you should be
able to...
1032
00:55:52,990 --> 00:55:53,726
You should be able to
get through that book.
1033
00:55:53,767 --> 00:55:55,640
It's all pictures.
1034
00:55:55,102 --> 00:55:57,275
Here's another one.
How many have you made?
1035
00:55:57,312 --> 00:55:59,781
Are you struggling for cash?
Is that you as well?
1036
00:55:59,815 --> 00:56:01,442
Yeah!
1037
00:56:03,485 --> 00:56:05,908
When he was a young
manager at my age
1038
00:56:05,946 --> 00:56:08,369
I would go with him
1039
00:56:08,407 --> 00:56:11,661
to training and maybe boot
a ball off the wall or...
1040
00:56:11,702 --> 00:56:13,875
and I'm watching him booting balls.
1041
00:56:16,748 --> 00:56:20,594
For rne to have my dad here,
there's a comfort that comes with it
1042
00:56:20,627 --> 00:56:24,131
and maybe one day he'll say
something nice, I don't know.
1043
00:56:25,132 --> 00:56:26,805
I was lucky.
1044
00:56:26,842 --> 00:56:29,846
I started at one of the most
successful clubs in the world
1045
00:56:29,887 --> 00:56:31,480
and met great people
working there.
1046
00:56:31,513 --> 00:56:34,983
Paul's had to start a bit
lower than that
1047
00:56:35,170 --> 00:56:36,690
but it's not been easy for him.
1048
00:56:36,727 --> 00:56:39,526
A lot of people have had a problem
with him because of his name.
1049
00:56:41,273 --> 00:56:43,401
He was a brave boy to go
down that road
1050
00:56:43,442 --> 00:56:45,365
and try and make a career out of it.
1051
00:56:47,696 --> 00:56:49,448
I was pretty nervous
at the game.
1052
00:56:51,533 --> 00:56:53,410
It doesn't matter how old you get
1053
00:56:53,452 --> 00:56:55,750
or how much success you have
1054
00:56:55,787 --> 00:56:57,789
you always want the approval
of your dad.
1055
00:56:59,958 --> 00:57:03,258
He's given his heart and
soul to Liverpool.
1056
00:57:04,129 --> 00:57:06,803
His loyalty to the club is
unquestioned.
1057
00:57:08,759 --> 00:57:11,763
Whatever he means to Liverpool
1058
00:57:11,803 --> 00:57:14,647
isn't close to what Liverpool
means to him.
1059
00:57:15,515 --> 00:57:18,359
I couldn't believe it when I got this job
1060
00:57:18,393 --> 00:57:20,987
and Bruce Grobbelaar's
the goalkeeper coach.
1061
00:57:21,980 --> 00:57:23,607
He was a team-mate of my dad's.
1062
00:57:24,232 --> 00:57:28,487
He was a hero of mine and
he played for my dad.
1063
00:57:29,696 --> 00:57:35,544
I've got 96 on my back,
I've got 96 on my training shoes.
1064
00:57:36,703 --> 00:57:41,334
It's in all of us that were a part
of the Hillsborough tragedy.
1065
00:57:42,626 --> 00:57:47,600
Hillsborough is just not
something we ever discuss.
1066
00:57:48,423 --> 00:57:51,677
I count myself lucky that
we all came home.
1067
00:57:52,386 --> 00:57:58,640
I almost feel guilty about talking about it
because we were the lucky ones.
1068
00:57:59,309 --> 00:58:02,358
96 will always be in all our lives.
1069
00:58:03,897 --> 00:58:08,619
Wherever you go in football,
everybody knows about 96.
1070
00:58:10,570 --> 00:58:13,699
It's something that I've
probably never really dealt with.
1071
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,780
I've never spoken to my dad about it.
1072
00:58:45,220 --> 00:58:46,649
Hillsborough was a famous ground.
1073
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:53,998
It had been used many times
in the past for semi-finals.
1074
00:58:54,906 --> 00:58:59,878
We'd played Notts Forest there
and we had a good result there
1075
00:58:59,911 --> 00:59:01,431
so we were looking forward
to the game.
1076
00:59:13,717 --> 00:59:15,560
We just had a normal Friday.
1077
00:59:15,594 --> 00:59:19,349
Trained in the morning,
had our lunch.
1078
00:59:20,570 --> 00:59:24,779
We just pottered over to prepare
for the game the next day.
1079
00:59:25,937 --> 00:59:30,317
Got there on time for our dinner
half six, seven o'clock at night.
1080
00:59:32,235 --> 00:59:34,329
Normal preparation, really.
1081
00:59:34,362 --> 00:59:36,330
Same as we did for most
away games
1082
00:59:36,364 --> 00:59:37,364
if not all of them.
1083
00:59:53,965 --> 00:59:56,138
I just know that there was
a lot of people
1084
00:59:56,176 --> 01:00:00,220
that went to that game,
that never came home.
1085
01:01:18,258 --> 01:01:19,259
I don't want to go back.
1086
01:01:19,301 --> 01:01:21,190
I don't want those memories
1087
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:22,725
to come back to the forefront
of my mind.
1088
01:01:22,762 --> 01:01:26,232
So people might say
'You're running away from it. '
1089
01:01:26,266 --> 01:01:30,396
Well, if I am, I am, but at the end of
the clay, it still won't get me back.
1090
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:33,235
No. Not me.
1091
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:04,620
We saw the crowds
start to move to the side
1092
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:06,143
and we saw that people
were coming over the fence.
1093
01:02:06,181 --> 01:02:08,479
We started to see that happening.
1094
01:02:08,516 --> 01:02:11,861
And I vividly remember Mum
turning to the press box
1095
01:02:11,895 --> 01:02:15,240
that was right next to us
and I remember her saying
1096
01:02:15,273 --> 01:02:19,244
'My God, this isn't trouble.
This is something really terrible.'
1097
01:02:32,666 --> 01:02:35,886
I saw Bruce start getting
agitated in the goal
1098
01:02:35,919 --> 01:02:37,959
and then there were people
coming over the barriers.
1099
01:02:38,964 --> 01:02:42,590
We're kind of in seats
but watching what's going on.
1100
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,517
And it was...
watching it all unfold was...
1101
01:02:45,553 --> 01:02:47,806
you didn't really understand
the magnitude of it.
1102
01:03:03,571 --> 01:03:06,575
There are fans on the
pitch here in the six-yard area.
1103
01:03:06,616 --> 01:03:08,710
The referee's going to have
to stop the game.
1104
01:03:08,743 --> 01:03:10,586
There's an overflow behind the goal...
1105
01:03:16,100 --> 01:03:20,970
I turned around,
I ran towards the referee
1106
01:03:20,130 --> 01:03:22,508
and I saw the policeman
coming across the field
1107
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:24,551
and that's when they called
the game off.
1108
01:04:00,128 --> 01:04:02,381
There was people
helping other people
1109
01:04:02,464 --> 01:04:05,299
who unfortunately
had been injured
1110
01:04:05,300 --> 01:04:06,597
or even worse than that.
1111
01:04:08,887 --> 01:04:10,981
At ground level
we couldn't see much
1112
01:04:11,140 --> 01:04:13,174
because of the number of bodies
that were on the pitch.
1113
01:04:14,684 --> 01:04:15,856
I have no way of knowing
1114
01:04:15,894 --> 01:04:18,738
how many casualties we have here,
but they are considerable.
1115
01:04:21,858 --> 01:04:25,328
There are ambulances
on the arena.
1116
01:04:28,310 --> 01:04:32,411
First aid treatment is being applied
to people on the ground as I speak.
1117
01:04:42,450 --> 01:04:45,490
The fans were tremendously helpful.
1118
01:04:46,633 --> 01:04:48,476
I think they were the first to react.
1119
01:04:49,940 --> 01:04:50,437
Advertising hoardings
1120
01:04:50,470 --> 01:04:52,347
are being used as
emergency stretchers.
1121
01:04:52,389 --> 01:04:55,859
And there are clearly a number
of fans seriously injured.
1122
01:05:01,481 --> 01:05:04,906
There was people on the pitch
doing their level best
1123
01:05:04,943 --> 01:05:07,287
to try and help someone
who was in need of help.
1124
01:05:08,947 --> 01:05:13,327
We had nae much of an idea
how bad it actually was.
1125
01:05:14,494 --> 01:05:18,544
Possibly the biggest tragedy ever seen
1126
01:05:18,581 --> 01:05:20,834
on an English football ground.
1127
01:05:25,338 --> 01:05:28,467
There is terrible emotional scenes going on
1128
01:05:28,508 --> 01:05:32,354
because people are checking to see if
their nearest and dearest are in fact safe.
1129
01:05:37,100 --> 01:05:38,602
We lost Paul.
1130
01:05:40,103 --> 01:05:43,152
Paul always went with his friends.
1131
01:05:45,525 --> 01:05:48,779
At that minute,
all I worried about was my son.
1132
01:05:50,947 --> 01:05:54,201
Paul had to enter through
the Leppings Lane end
1133
01:05:54,242 --> 01:05:56,745
to walk round to go to
the main stand.
1134
01:05:58,955 --> 01:06:04,462
Your concern obviously was for him
to start with to see if he was alright.
1135
01:06:08,470 --> 01:06:10,721
I would think although
he was getting pulled by everyone
1136
01:06:10,758 --> 01:06:14,888
to say and do things, his number one
would be looking for Paul.
1137
01:06:25,315 --> 01:06:27,409
They asked us to go and
say a few words
1138
01:06:27,442 --> 01:06:30,161
over the tannoy
to the supporters.
1139
01:06:37,911 --> 01:06:40,380
I remember then hearing
my dad's voice
1140
01:06:40,413 --> 01:06:42,586
coming over the speaker system
1141
01:06:44,125 --> 01:06:48,426
And it was almost like...
I only wanted my dad then.
1142
01:06:59,570 --> 01:07:01,526
And then he was there...
1143
01:07:01,559 --> 01:07:03,232
like, just there.
1144
01:07:24,582 --> 01:07:27,802
I remember the fans going
to get the newspaper
1145
01:07:27,835 --> 01:07:31,900
and ripping it off the newspaper
stands and burning it.
1146
01:07:31,470 --> 01:07:32,344
Erm...
1147
01:07:33,132 --> 01:07:36,636
Then I got a phone call
from Kelvin Mackenzie.
1148
01:07:39,550 --> 01:07:41,649
And he said,
'We made a mess of this. '
1149
01:07:43,351 --> 01:07:44,694
I said, 'I think so.'
1150
01:07:45,186 --> 01:07:49,898
He says, 'Can we do anything to help?'
1151
01:07:49,899 --> 01:07:53,153
I said, 'Well, I don't know
if it will help
1152
01:07:53,194 --> 01:07:57,870
but I would suggest you start
by putting a headline "THE TRUTH"
1153
01:07:57,907 --> 01:08:01,662
and just put it in tomorrow's
paper saying "WE LIED".'
1154
01:08:02,453 --> 01:08:05,172
He says, 'I cannae do that.'
I said, 'I cannae help you.'
1155
01:08:08,876 --> 01:08:12,631
I dread to think what
it would have been like in the homes
1156
01:08:12,672 --> 01:08:15,221
of some of the people
who lost someone.
1157
01:08:16,801 --> 01:08:19,850
You speak about the family values.
1158
01:08:21,550 --> 01:08:25,936
You speak about helping people
less fortunate than yourself
1159
01:08:25,977 --> 01:08:28,480
or helping people when
they need a bit of help.
1160
01:08:29,397 --> 01:08:30,899
That's all we did.
1161
01:08:30,940 --> 01:08:33,318
We only did what somebody
else would have done for us
1162
01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:34,781
and what...
1163
01:08:34,819 --> 01:08:37,914
They were football fans, they went
to support the football club.
1164
01:08:37,947 --> 01:08:41,668
Now it was the football club's turn
to support their families.
1165
01:08:47,749 --> 01:08:50,218
What he and Marina must
have gone through
1166
01:08:50,251 --> 01:08:52,345
of going to so many funerals
1167
01:08:53,171 --> 01:08:57,597
the pain of what he'd witnessed,
what he'd been through
1168
01:08:57,634 --> 01:09:00,308
in the light also of Heysel
1169
01:09:00,345 --> 01:09:04,816
to now be the primary
spokesperson
1170
01:09:04,849 --> 01:09:08,399
for a club, all the weight
fell on him.
1171
01:09:10,355 --> 01:09:12,357
Going to the funerals
and hearing these stories
1172
01:09:12,398 --> 01:09:15,322
about these people whose
lives had ended
1173
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:19,456
these kids who had lost parents,
parents who had lost children.
1174
01:09:19,489 --> 01:09:24,495
He never dealt with absorbing
any of that information
1175
01:09:24,535 --> 01:09:30,383
because he felt that his need was so
much lower down than everyone else's.
1176
01:09:42,110 --> 01:09:44,639
On the Monday we went
back to Sheffield.
1177
01:09:44,681 --> 01:09:47,104
We went to the hospital to
see how people are
1178
01:09:47,105 --> 01:09:51,526
and maybe even hopefully
it helped them a little bit.
1179
01:09:51,562 --> 01:09:53,109
The people that we could help.
1180
01:09:54,649 --> 01:09:58,825
There was, urn, a woman.
1181
01:09:59,696 --> 01:10:04,702
Her 14-year-old son, um,
was on a life support machine
1182
01:10:04,742 --> 01:10:08,497
They wanted to turn it off but
she wanted us to get there
1183
01:10:08,538 --> 01:10:10,916
to say goodbye to him.
Oh.
1184
01:10:10,957 --> 01:10:15,383
Well, is there anything in life
that prepares you for that?
1185
01:10:21,843 --> 01:10:24,312
When something happens
1186
01:10:24,345 --> 01:10:26,894
and it's something
that you're involved in
1187
01:10:26,931 --> 01:10:29,605
it's fantastic the way people
get together.
1188
01:10:29,642 --> 01:10:34,193
And as we said before,
the city of Liverpool can be totally proud
1189
01:10:34,230 --> 01:10:37,734
of what they did in the aftermath
of Hillsborough as well.
1190
01:10:38,568 --> 01:10:43,739
It is a great tribute
to the whole of this city
1191
01:10:43,740 --> 01:10:48,792
to its commitment to
the great sport of football
1192
01:10:48,828 --> 01:10:54,130
but most of all of love
amongst good friends.
1193
01:10:56,294 --> 01:11:00,470
So they decided to open up
Anfield to the fans
1194
01:11:00,506 --> 01:11:05,683
which was an unbelievable idea
1195
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:08,940
and hugely appreciated
by the fans.
1196
01:11:08,973 --> 01:11:10,816
It gave them a focal point.
1197
01:11:14,228 --> 01:11:16,196
They had nowhere to go.
They just...
1198
01:11:16,230 --> 01:11:20,576
So they came to Liverpool because
they had nowhere else to go.
1199
01:11:21,486 --> 01:11:23,534
I remember the first day
I went in there
1200
01:11:23,571 --> 01:11:25,790
and there was a guy that
came up to rne and he said
1201
01:11:25,823 --> 01:11:29,418
'Al, he was 17.
1202
01:11:29,452 --> 01:11:32,579
He was 17. And he was taken
away from rne.'
1203
01:11:32,580 --> 01:11:38,303
And so I'm thinking to myself,
I've got a son that was 8 at the time.
1204
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:44,927
You just imagine that your son's 17
and what life would be like.
1205
01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:59,198
I went to the Kop with Kelly and Paul,
I think, on the last day
1206
01:12:00,233 --> 01:12:02,861
before everything was
moved away.
1207
01:12:03,986 --> 01:12:05,988
That's the only time
I've been in the Kop.
1208
01:12:07,573 --> 01:12:10,668
We wanted to go in.
It felt like the right thing to do.
1209
01:12:10,701 --> 01:12:12,248
It felt like...
1210
01:12:12,286 --> 01:12:16,291
for no real reason
that's easy to explain
1211
01:12:16,332 --> 01:12:18,840
we wanted to go in.
1212
01:12:20,461 --> 01:12:25,934
It was unbelievable the messages
of support on the Kop
1213
01:12:25,967 --> 01:12:29,597
like, just little messages where
somebody... and it was almost like...
1214
01:12:29,637 --> 01:12:31,605
I know it was a standing area
1215
01:12:31,639 --> 01:12:35,109
but it was almost as if it was,
'Well, that's your space.'
1216
01:12:35,977 --> 01:12:38,981
Right, without a number
or without any recognition on it
1217
01:12:39,210 --> 01:12:40,694
other than just a normal thing.
1218
01:12:40,731 --> 01:12:44,310
'He's here week in, week out';
'he always stands there';
1219
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,720
'The boy next to him played football,
he left a pair of boots. '
1220
01:12:47,113 --> 01:12:50,788
'He had an orange, he always had an
orange at half time, he left an orange.'
1221
01:12:50,825 --> 01:12:53,328
It was unbelievable.
1222
01:12:54,704 --> 01:12:56,798
The messages from the punters
1223
01:12:56,831 --> 01:12:59,459
to the people who stood around
about and in and around them.
1224
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:06,490
The minute I walked on the Kop
and I saw the tribute on the pitch
1225
01:13:06,900 --> 01:13:07,933
and I wanted to take...
1226
01:13:07,967 --> 01:13:10,971
like, I had a little Celtic teddy bear
and a Liverpool teddy bear
1227
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,642
and I wanted to... I wanted to
leave that at Anfield.
1228
01:13:14,682 --> 01:13:17,686
And I'd had it from when
I was younger.
1229
01:13:20,688 --> 01:13:26,695
I think taking us on to the Kop
and seeing the scarves tied there
1230
01:13:26,736 --> 01:13:29,159
and seeing messages written
on the barriers
1231
01:13:29,196 --> 01:13:32,621
to people who were
no longer there
1232
01:13:32,658 --> 01:13:34,956
and would never stand there
again from their friends
1233
01:13:34,994 --> 01:13:36,587
and from their families
1234
01:13:36,621 --> 01:13:39,420
I think it sunk in for Dad as well.
1235
01:13:39,457 --> 01:13:42,131
And I think it became...
1236
01:13:42,168 --> 01:13:45,547
you know, more even
than standing on the Kop
1237
01:13:45,588 --> 01:13:48,137
and looking out over that
carpet of flowers
1238
01:13:48,174 --> 01:13:51,178
it was the small details of it.
1239
01:13:51,218 --> 01:13:56,975
It was seeing people's names and
realizing that this was about individuals.
1240
01:13:58,851 --> 01:14:02,651
I went to where I stood on the Kop
with my Dad and my sister
1241
01:14:02,688 --> 01:14:07,990
just looking and just broke down
and cried in my Dad's arms.
1242
01:14:08,270 --> 01:14:12,498
It was the moment maybe that I needed
to kind of release everything I'd seen
1243
01:14:12,531 --> 01:14:14,454
as I didn't know how to deal
with it as a child.
1244
01:14:15,660 --> 01:14:17,287
No, they wanted to go.
1245
01:14:18,829 --> 01:14:20,172
Er...
1246
01:14:21,666 --> 01:14:23,293
I wanted to take them.
1247
01:14:28,506 --> 01:14:29,849
So...
1248
01:14:30,758 --> 01:14:31,725
It was...
1249
01:14:31,759 --> 01:14:34,228
for them it was really sad,
for us it was sad
1250
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:36,723
but it...
1251
01:14:37,473 --> 01:14:39,100
it's just something that...
1252
01:14:40,643 --> 01:14:42,361
er, it had to be done.
1253
01:14:57,284 --> 01:14:59,582
The people who were gonna decide
1254
01:15:00,371 --> 01:15:03,295
if we were going back to play
1255
01:15:03,332 --> 01:15:05,426
first and foremost
were the families.
1256
01:15:07,169 --> 01:15:11,925
You could really sense
the desire of the players
1257
01:15:11,966 --> 01:15:13,718
to go and get a result.
1258
01:15:14,301 --> 01:15:16,269
CROWD ROARS
1259
01:15:34,321 --> 01:15:35,948
- Dad?
- OK.
1260
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:37,663
Dad?
- OK.
1261
01:15:39,744 --> 01:15:41,212
Hi!
1262
01:15:44,498 --> 01:15:46,421
There was a lot going on
that no one knew about
1263
01:15:46,459 --> 01:15:48,211
and he wouldn't tell anyone.
1264
01:15:48,335 --> 01:15:50,383
But he was falling apart
after Hillsborough.
1265
01:15:57,303 --> 01:16:01,149
By the time it gets to Everton
in the Cup and...
1266
01:16:03,684 --> 01:16:05,732
I knew there was something
building up.
1267
01:16:07,980 --> 01:16:10,358
He was terrible
to live with, really horrible.
1268
01:16:10,399 --> 01:16:12,276
And with the children
he was snappy
1269
01:16:12,318 --> 01:16:14,446
so I would manage to keep
them out the way.
1270
01:16:15,290 --> 01:16:16,997
Lynsey, don't tear it off!
1271
01:16:24,121 --> 01:16:26,715
He wasn't sleeping,
he was taking sleeping pills.
1272
01:16:26,749 --> 01:16:28,460
He couldn't get to sleep at night.
1273
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:30,507
He had a rash all over his body.
1274
01:16:30,544 --> 01:16:32,171
And he doesn't tell people this.
1275
01:16:32,213 --> 01:16:35,934
You know, he waits until
it all comes to a head.
1276
01:16:41,130 --> 01:16:46,650
I was gonna make a change
during the game defensively.
1277
01:16:46,435 --> 01:16:47,732
Cottee!
1278
01:16:49,897 --> 01:16:51,194
3-3!
1279
01:16:53,359 --> 01:16:56,283
And Ronnie and Roy went,
'I'm not so sure.'
1280
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:57,867
And I Went 'OK, OK.'
1281
01:17:01,242 --> 01:17:02,585
Barnes!
1282
01:17:02,618 --> 01:17:05,713
He looks for goal and finds it!
1283
01:17:05,746 --> 01:17:08,215
And when he realised
he couldn't make a decision
1284
01:17:08,249 --> 01:17:11,879
he didn't feel like he was the
manager Liverpool deserved.
1285
01:17:12,795 --> 01:17:14,217
Tony Cottee!
1286
01:17:15,506 --> 01:17:17,554
Well, I can't believe this, Martin.
1287
01:17:17,591 --> 01:17:19,259
When all Kenny Dalglish
1288
01:17:19,260 --> 01:17:22,389
would have wanted was
his team to defend properly
1289
01:17:22,429 --> 01:17:24,523
and they go and commit
something like this.
1290
01:17:25,224 --> 01:17:27,272
It's been quite magnificent.
1291
01:17:27,309 --> 01:17:30,620
It's been a night to shake
the soul really.
1292
01:17:30,729 --> 01:17:33,323
If I cannae make decisions
1293
01:17:36,402 --> 01:17:39,952
I said to myself, 'I've got to go. '
1294
01:17:47,288 --> 01:17:51,964
I regret to announce that
Kenny Dalglish told the board yesterday
1295
01:17:52,100 --> 01:17:53,628
of his wish to retire as team manager.
1296
01:17:56,505 --> 01:17:58,348
I don't think it ever
got easier for Kenny.
1297
01:17:58,349 --> 01:17:59,933
I think it got worse.
1298
01:18:02,261 --> 01:18:05,105
He would never, ever admit
that Hillsborough
1299
01:18:05,139 --> 01:18:07,733
had anything to do with anything
because that's the way he is.
1300
01:18:10,144 --> 01:18:13,273
Only Kenny can tell us
1301
01:18:13,314 --> 01:18:15,612
what that journey was really like.
1302
01:18:17,568 --> 01:18:20,287
What I do know is that the stress
1303
01:18:20,321 --> 01:18:23,450
and strain of that
must have been at times intolerable.
1304
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:37,797
In the aftermath of Hillsborough
1305
01:18:37,838 --> 01:18:41,763
it has taken the families
two decades
1306
01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:43,677
to set the record straight.
1307
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:48,274
Marina and Kenny Dalglish
1308
01:18:48,307 --> 01:18:53,290
were real humanitarians
in the face of dreadful adversity.
1309
01:18:54,210 --> 01:18:57,571
People turning up literally
on their doorstep.
1310
01:18:58,984 --> 01:19:03,581
And that's why they are
so respected
1311
01:19:05,991 --> 01:19:07,493
in our city.
1312
01:19:08,494 --> 01:19:10,963
They know what they sacrificed
and what they gave.
1313
01:19:12,623 --> 01:19:17,129
Today we take the
unprecedented step of granting
1314
01:19:17,169 --> 01:19:22,391
the freedom of the city
posthumously to the 96 individuals.
1315
01:19:27,388 --> 01:19:32,269
Sisters Sarah Louise Hicks
and Victoria Jane Hicks.
1316
01:19:33,102 --> 01:19:37,733
Kenny had been a part of our lives
before I actually met him
1317
01:19:37,773 --> 01:19:41,573
on that day back in April 1989.
1318
01:19:42,270 --> 01:19:45,531
Kenneth Mathieson Dalglish.
1319
01:19:46,365 --> 01:19:49,869
Kenny has been a part of my journey
1320
01:19:49,910 --> 01:19:52,584
from the beginning of losing
both my daughters.
1321
01:19:53,580 --> 01:19:55,378
Marina Dalglish.
1322
01:19:56,417 --> 01:20:00,920
Sarah had had Kenny Dalglish
albums every Christmas
1323
01:20:00,129 --> 01:20:02,678
for years when she was little.
1324
01:20:08,220 --> 01:20:10,723
He's the King of Anfield, really.
1325
01:20:11,724 --> 01:20:13,317
But I don't look at him like that.
1326
01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:16,690
I just look at him as a dear man.
1327
01:20:18,220 --> 01:20:19,649
And we've adopted Kenny now.
1328
01:20:19,690 --> 01:20:21,363
You know, he's not going back
to Glasgow.
1329
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:22,947
We won't let him.
1330
01:20:31,368 --> 01:20:33,291
"You'll Never Walk Alone"
1331
01:20:33,329 --> 01:20:38,301
♪ When you walk through a storm
1332
01:20:38,334 --> 01:20:43,386
♪ Hold your head up high
1333
01:20:43,422 --> 01:20:50,101
♪ And don't be afraid of the dark
1334
01:20:51,805 --> 01:20:56,686
♪ At the end of a storm
1335
01:20:58,854 --> 01:21:02,529
♪ There's a golden sky
1336
01:21:04,234 --> 01:21:09,350
♪ And the sweet silver song
1337
01:21:10,866 --> 01:21:13,540
♪ Of the lark
1338
01:21:17,414 --> 01:21:22,261
♪ Walk on through the wind
1339
01:21:23,837 --> 01:21:28,593
♪ Walk on through the rain
1340
01:21:29,885 --> 01:21:33,590
♪ Though your dreams
1341
01:21:33,138 --> 01:21:38,611
♪ Be tossed and blown
1342
01:21:43,190 --> 01:21:45,238
♪ Walk on
1343
01:21:46,260 --> 01:21:48,825
♪ Walk on
1344
01:21:49,405 --> 01:21:54,206
♪ With hope in your heart
1345
01:21:55,661 --> 01:22:02,545
♪ And you'll never walk alone
1346
01:22:06,839 --> 01:22:14,839
♪ You'll never walk alone
1347
01:22:27,943 --> 01:22:31,993
♪ With hope in your heart
1348
01:22:33,866 --> 01:22:40,875
♪ And you'll never walk alone
1349
01:22:45,836 --> 01:22:53,836
♪ You'll never walk alone
1350
01:23:09,260 --> 01:23:10,699
Dalglish!
1351
01:23:54,613 --> 01:23:56,581
Show us what
you do on the slopes, Dad!
1352
01:24:06,833 --> 01:24:08,551
Someone said to me
when I was really little
1353
01:24:08,585 --> 01:24:10,212
'What does your Dad do?'
1354
01:24:13,298 --> 01:24:17,980
I mean, he stands in a little box on
a Saturday and he points and shouts.'
1355
01:24:17,427 --> 01:24:19,304
Which to be fair is a
fair assessment.
1356
01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:50,962
Two fingers, Dad!
Woo!
1357
01:25:14,109 --> 01:25:16,111
Speak into the camera.
1358
01:25:16,153 --> 01:25:17,655
Hello.
1359
01:25:17,696 --> 01:25:21,166
Say, 'Hello, Father Christmas.'
- Hello, Father Christmas!
1360
01:25:30,830 --> 01:25:31,551
Are you happy with
your pressies, troops?
1361
01:25:31,585 --> 01:25:33,758
Yeah.
- Yeah.
1362
01:25:33,795 --> 01:25:35,297
What's your favourite one, Lyns?
1363
01:25:35,339 --> 01:25:36,886
Baby, Dad.
1364
01:25:51,980 --> 01:25:53,402
Look at that.
1365
01:25:57,361 --> 01:25:59,121
Say we're going
to the nightclub, Mum
1366
01:25:59,154 --> 01:26:00,576
and then say goodbye.
1367
01:26:00,614 --> 01:26:02,457
Goodnight!
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