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Tonight it'll be game number six.
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The Lakers against the 76ers. The Lakers
going without Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,
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still in Los Angeles taking treatment
for that sprained ankle.
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I told Coach Westhead--
I said, "Let me play center."
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"They're not gonna know
what's gonna come at 'em."
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He said, "I played center in high school,"
which was only, like, two years ago.
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He's gonna play smack-dab
in the middle right from the start.
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He is our offensive center.
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The big one tonight, game six.
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Lakers can win it all, or we go
to a seventh game at the Forum on Sunday.
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You are looking live at the sold-out crowd
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at the Spectrum in Philadelphia.
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I think that Magic's gonna jump.
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Philadelphia is gonna have
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a hard time defensively
in who's gonna guard who.
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I talked to my father the night before,
and I told him,
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"Dad, I'ma go-- just go out here
and play like I did in high school."
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And he said,
"All right. Well, go do your thing."
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Here comes
the 20-year-old rookie down the middle.
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From the left-hand,
Magic Johnson going inside on Julius.
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Two quick assists and a field goal,
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and Magic Johnson
drives the Lakers to a six-point lead.
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He was making everybody better.
Jamaal Wilkes had a career-high 37.
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Magic comes inside.
Dishes one to Wilkes. Beautiful pass.
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This is the best game
I have ever seen Magic play.
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Championship within reach.
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Whip it inside to Magic. Check that pass.
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There it is. It's over.
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And the most valuable player
is Magic Johnson.
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Forty-two, 15 and seven.
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The greatest performance, as far
as I am concerned, in NBA Finals history.
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We don't have to wonder
about who he is anymore,
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you know, or his value to the team.
We know that now.
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And I just said,
"Man, this dude Earvin Johnson,
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he's gonna be the greatest player
of all time."
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And here's the man
of the hour, Magic Johnson.
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Magic, there's a lot of ballplayers around
who haven't made it this far
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in a long career.
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This is your first year, and you're here.
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How many more of these
would you like to get under your belt?
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About 20.
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And I want to present the world trophy
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to the owner of the Los Angeles Lakers.
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Jerry Buss, it's yours.
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For my dad, it was overwhelming to him.
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It was, you know,
I think his proudest moment.
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I'm excited.
I'm just happy for everybody.
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You wanted to buy a ball team.
Look what you got.
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A world champion.
Would you believe it?
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A world champion.
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-Right.
-It's just unbelievable.
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Jerry Buss and I hugged each other
and said, "Can you believe it?"
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In our first year together
we win the NBA championship.
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They shared that moment,
and that was intoxicating for both of them
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because a star was born.
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When we got home
and the plane landed,
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Kareem, the big fella,
got on the plane with his cowboy hat.
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Didn't even wait for your boy.
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I got everything waiting for y'all, man.
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-All the ladies, all the champagne.
-For us.
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Are you afraid that
you might lose your job for next year?
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Well, if I lose my job,
I can always play guard,
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and we'll just trade positions.
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Why, after we won that championship,
even Kareem kinda like, "Okay."
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He knew Magic was gonna be our leader.
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He's our new guy.
He was Kareem and Magic put together.
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We didn't set off to win the ch--
We just wanted to play good basketball.
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But once we won that championship,
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that changed the whole dynamic
of what Laker basketball was about.
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The first piece of merchandise I wanna
show you is my Lakers championship trophy
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that match my tattoo.
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It has "Lakers" across the top of the ball
because we own this motherfucker.
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When the Lakers win a championship,
this city has a different glow to it.
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From the fan's standpoint
and bringing them a championship
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where everybody thought,
here in LA at least, you know,
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that this was gonna be very hard
to do without Kareem.
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Earvin "Magic" Johnson
went in there and delivered
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one of the most memorable
games I have ever seen in my life.
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I mean, everybody was in awe.
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Magic! Magic! Magic!
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You know, every once in a while, an
athlete comes along who brings new life
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and energy to a team and a sport.
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Here is the rookie sensation
Earvin "Magic" Johnson!
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At only 20 years old,
Earvin "Magic" Johnson
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has not only captivated
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the city of Los Angeles
but has boosted the Lakers morale
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along with the team's box office figures.
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You're a celebrity in this town.
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My hero.
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It was one of those
star-studded Hollywood premieres.
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And towering over stars
and admirers alike was Earvin Johnson,
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known as Magic,
a man-child in the promised land.
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The instantaneous success,
celebrity endorsements,
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you know, all of those things--
Money came to us quickly,
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you know, when Magic showed up.
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Magic Johnson, yeah.
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Came to Earvin too.
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Who's Earvin Johnson?
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Who is Earvin Johnson?
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Never heard of her.
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Who is she?
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When you have a name like Magic,
you gotta succeed.
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And so this whole transformation began
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when Dr. Buss realized,
the key to everything was Magic Johnson.
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And Jerry used to take him
with him a lot of places
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like his beautiful diamond ring.
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"Here's my big great basketball player.
I want to show him off."
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We went to Disneyland and he saw,
"This is the Magic Kingdom."
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Then he said,
"They didn't have to do that."
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If you're Dr. Buss, of course
you're gonna gravitate to Magic Johnson.
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Magic has taken Los Angeles by storm.
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Eight million that live in the
Southern California area idolize this man.
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You're making me money.
You're elevating my popularity.
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You're taking this Lakers brand
to another level.
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I'd be a fool
not to cultivate a relationship with you.
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The Los Angeles Lakers have
given him a new contract
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covering 25 years,
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far beyond his playing career,
for a reported $25 million.
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That much? Twenty-five years?
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The contract
that left the athletic world gasping
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was the one Magic signed with the Lakers,
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making him the highest-paid
professional athlete in the world.
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Who is this guy?
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How long has he played? What has he done?
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It certainly made headlines, which is
the way my dad likes to do things.
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There was chatter amongst
the players, "What does this mean?"
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We were all wondering
if Earvin was a player or management.
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When you get a contract like that,
you're management.
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Man, you… They've adopted you.
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I think, you know, there was
a little tension. Matter of fact,
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I'd be lying if I said there was a little
tension. There was a lot. It was big.
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The Laker guys were not happy.
Kareem was not happy.
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And then we get to training camp and Coach
Westhead decided to change all the plays.
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I made some changes, and if that caused
ruffles with the players,
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then I can live with that.
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The question flying around
the Fabulous Forum
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after Friday night's loss to Phoenix,
"What's wrong with the Lakers?"
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We weren't playing right.
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We weren't utilizing our best asset
which was our ability to run.
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And Johnson has it
with 19 seconds to go.
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Every time Magic got the basketball and
head down, Coach Westhead was on the side.
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"Hold! Okay, and run this."
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And Magic spent most of his time
looking over his shoulder.
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-Magic checks the clock.
-Time-out!
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Paul had his own ideas. Those ideas
didn't work out as well for us.
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So, you know,
Magic started complaining about it.
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So we're playing in Utah, and--
So Utah calls a time-out.
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And I went to Coach and said, "Listen.
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Everybody's frustrated
because we're not performing well.
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We're not shooting well.
We're not playing well."
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Coach Westhead turns to me.
"Shut the hell up."
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And I'm like shocked. Like, "What?"
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Yeah, well. So, I'll give you my version.
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Late in the game, at a time-out,
he had drifted away.
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Like, whatever you're saying,
it's okay but, you know, I'm not here.
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You know, right after the game,
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he called Earvin into a private room
across from the locker room.
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And he just started, just,
"I'm tired of your shit,
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and I'm tired--" And…
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I said, "Magic, this cannot happen again."
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He barely said a word, like,
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nodding that,
like, basically, "Are you finished?"
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I just can't take it no more, you know.
So it's coming down to me or him.
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Last night, after the game,
Magic Johnson said
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he was unable to play
for Westhead any longer
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and wanted to be traded.
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I haven't been happy.
I'm not happy.
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I just, you know,
wanted to get out the situation.
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As soon as we landed, Jerry West and
Dr. Buss told me to come in and see them.
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Earvin talked to Jerry about it
because they were so close.
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And, "Jerry," he said,
"we're going to make a change."
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I came back
to have a conversation with Jerry Buss
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and tell him we need to discipline
Earvin "Magic" Johnson right now.
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So then I go in and see Buss,
and he…
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he tells me right away.
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He didn't mix any words.
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Paul Westhead has been fired
as the coach of the Los Angeles Lakers
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after the team's star, Magic Johnson,
said he wanted to be traded.
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Dr. Jerry Buss insists
he was not playing favorites
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with his million-dollar player.
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It really has nothing to do with that.
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Buss went on to say
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that Pat Riley will move
from assistant to head coach.
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You know, when Paul was fired,
we were 7-3. And we were winning.
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Did it ever come down to
a situation where you told management,
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-"Either he goes, or I go?"
-No, I never told them that.
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It was clear he had more power than me.
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When the media blamed Earvin,
Earvin became a villain.
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Fans don't like what they call,
you know, "coach killers."
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You know, the-- And Magic got booed.
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Starting for Los Angeles.
At guard. From Michigan State.
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Number 32. Magic Johnson.
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My first game as the head coach,
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Earvin was booed heavily
when he got on the court.
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Man. It was like nobody liked me.
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"Don't speak to him.
Don't say nothing to him."
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All that. Man, it's like
I didn't have a friend in the world.
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And every time he got booed,
I would say to him, "Just play harder.
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Just play harder.
Just show 'em. They'll forgive you."
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Him and I bonded right away.
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I said, "Okay.
Then I'm gonna just have to play great."
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When Coach Riley took over,
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we just went back
to emphasizing the fast break,
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which is our best style of play,
and we start to win again.
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That's the time.
The Lakers will be crowned champions.
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And so, when we won the title again
in 1982, it was electric.
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Pat Riley
allowed Magic to be Magic.
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He allowed Magic
to institute that showtime persona.
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The magic has returned.
The Lakers' image gleaming again.
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Showtime.
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And welcome to the Fabulous Forum.
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I got to go
to the Great Western Forum in Inglewood
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one time before Earvin came to Hollywood.
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It was a different building.
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It was the difference between chicken shit
and chicken salad, you know what I mean?
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There will never be anything
like the atmosphere of The Forum.
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Showtime at The Forum meant, like,
opening night at the biggest concert.
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The amount of famous people
that would come to the games
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was jaw-dropping and awe-inspiring.
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And you had a great owner, Dr. Buss,
who consciously created this spectacle.
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There may not be
another sports franchise owner
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who outwardly enjoys his lifestyle
more than Jerry Buss.
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The atmosphere
that he wanted to create.
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It was really melding
of sports and entertainment.
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His whole thing was changing things.
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And he felt there had to be more
besides us playing against our opponent.
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Dancing Barry.
Who thinks of that, you know?
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Got the neck going like this.
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When the team took a time-out,
he wanted a dance team to entertain.
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And he named them the Laker Girls.
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I started my whole career
becoming a Laker Girl.
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Here was this brand-new team of dancers,
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and I turned these girls
into a real fierce dance squad.
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And everyone knows Jack Nicholson
was one of the most avid fans.
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Whenever the Laker Girls had to go up
and perform, he'd take out his binoculars.
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It was all Dr. Buss's ideas.
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Dr. Jerry Buss, he was like
the Hugh Hefner of basketball.
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Some people would say that
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it's almost as if you made
a Faustian deal with the devil
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because everything seems so perfect.
Is this a perfect lifestyle?
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Well, I certainly enjoy it.
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It was seducing.
It was seductive. It was magical.
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You're a winner on the court.
Are you also a winner with the ladies?
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And how's your sex life?
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Have you thought about
what it would be like
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to play the heavy schedule that you do
and get married?
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Really, you're doing so much.
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You just wanna come home
to that one special lady.
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I was living in Toledo at the
time, working in fashion merchandising.
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And he lived in Los Angeles.
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You know, I had this dream,
so I wanted to pursue that.
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She was doing her thing, she was--
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She was doing her career
and doing her thing.
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And we know how she felt.
We knew her heart, and--
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But we also know Earvin
wasn't really going too far.
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We-- 'Cause we knew
Earvin knew what he had.
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We were not together,
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but we were still talking
and staying in touch with each other.
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It was just nice to be able to call and
hear a friendly voice on the other end.
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'Cause I, you know,
I was still in love with him, of course.
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But I kept thinking
maybe we'll get back together.
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And he was like, "Well, you ought to
just come out here and visit."
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I remember the first time
I ever went to a game in LA,
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and I remember
sitting in the seat going, "Oh, my God."
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I've never seen dresses
so tight or so short.
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Heels so high. Clothes so see-through.
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I never saw that before. It was crazy.
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For the most part,
when I came to visit him,
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we just quietly stayed
in his apartment a lot.
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Because I worked so hard,
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I don't like to do nothing,
you know, after I'm done.
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So we don't have to go out somewhere
to have a good time.
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You know, when he was playing,
he was very intense.
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You know, being the top player
on the Lakers,
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and they were a very tight-knit unit.
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Pat Riley's rules were that
the family couldn't travel with the team
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during the playoffs or during
championships. The players would get fined
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if one of their wives were caught
on the road with them.
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Pat told me that, you know,
we're 12 plus two plus one.
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We're 12 players, two coaches, and me.
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Everyone else is a peripheral opponent
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who could distract you from your job.
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That included your family.
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You take responsibility for your greatness
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by making sure that these things
aren't going to get in the way.
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I don't like to be bothered
during game days. I'm moody. I'm cranky.
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So, how do I give her all of me
when I'm giving basketball all of me?
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That's when I started seeing, like,
there was a difference.
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And basically, he-- From the time
he started playing with the Lakers,
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he had a split kind of personality. There
was Magic, and then there was Earvin.
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I met Earvin. And that's the one
that I fell in love with.
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And that's the one I knew.
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How do you keep
those feet on the ground out here?
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-Well.
-You're a movie star.
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You know, it's fun being
Magic Johnson for eight months.
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And then it's great being
Earvin Johnson for the other three.
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Every summer,
Magic came back to Lansing
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to be around his family, his friends.
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And it was like, you know,
"Man, that's Magic." You know?
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And I'll never forget,
Earvin had this gold Benz.
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Tires, Armor All. The tinted blue windows.
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And I was like, "Wow."
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I looked at Magic Johnson
as someone who made it.
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He used to come
from Chicago to hang out, train.
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I mean, we loved to hoop.
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We would hoop all day
to 2:00 in the morning.
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Get up. Run. Work out. Hoop some more.
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Get something to eat.
Take a nap. Go hoop some more.
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I mean, we would just play basketball,
and that's what I needed.
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I needed this friend that
loved the game as much as I did.
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At guard. 6'1". 185.
From Indiana. Number 11. Isiah Thomas.
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He ends up getting drafted by the Pistons.
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So now we're in the NBA together.
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He's one of the greatest point guards
to ever play this game.
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Coming into the league,
my team was starting at the bottom,
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and his team was on top.
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And fortunately enough for me,
you know, and Magic was so open.
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Seeing how they did things.
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They're in the championship world
of the NBA.
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And also as friends. As brothers. Those
Midwest values that people talk about.
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That trust. You know, it's like
your word really is like your bond.
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If I give you my word,
okay, we good. You know?
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Yeah, that was there.
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We both needed each other
because he's the only one
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could understand what I was going through.
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I'm the only one could understand him
at the same time too.
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When you talk about Black men
and Black boys, you know, in America,
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in the game of basketball,
that was the pathway out.
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And Earvin and I just-- We had
a pretty good understanding of that.
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Sexton High School was right
in the Black community on the west side.
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I knew all the players because I played
against them since I was a young kid.
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And I wanted to be a Sexton Big Red.
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Sexton was dominant. That's all
we knew growing up was Sexton High School.
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And knowing all those players,
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'cause a lot of 'em stay-- played in--
lived in our neighborhood.
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The gym was packed. The band went…
and you be like--
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I wanted to come out
into that music, you know?
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The kid's coming up.
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You want him to go to that neighborhood
school to keep that tradition going.
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I mean, I was waiting
for my turn. It was my turn.
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And all of a sudden
they said, "No, you can't go.
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You can't walk ten,
15 minutes from your house.
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You've got to get bused across town
to go to Everett High School."
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A unanimous Supreme Court
today affirmed the principle of busing
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school children to desegregate school.
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The busing issue that has Americans in an
uproar, pro and con, across the country
347
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is perhaps nowhere more
dramatically present than in Michigan.
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I was so mad,
I cried for two, three straight weeks.
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That I had-- now had to catch
a bus across town
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to a school
that wasn't known for basketball either.
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That bus would pull up. They was
throwing rocks and sticks at our bus.
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They didn't want us.
They were calling us names.
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That just added fuel to the fire.
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00:23:10,182 --> 00:23:13,894
When I got to Everett
the fights were starting right-- Day one.
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There was a couple kids
on the basketball team.
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The white kids didn't really accept this
as well as I thought they should've.
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That third week our principal
was waiting for the bus as we pulled up.
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He just said, "Earvin Johnson,
come to my office."
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I thought
I had gotten into trouble or something.
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I didn't know what was going on.
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So he said, "Listen, you're gonna
stop the Black kids from fighting."
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I said, "Wait a minute.
I'm 15 years old. I just got here."
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He said, "No…
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They will follow you."
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00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:56,395
I was just like, "I wanna fight." I'm--
You know, I'm gonna get my respect.
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He did it the other way.
He did it on the basketball court.
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00:24:11,076 --> 00:24:13,036
It is the Boston Celtics and Larry Bird
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00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:15,455
against Magic Johnson
and the Los Angeles Lakers.
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00:24:15,539 --> 00:24:20,002
It is a confrontation that basketball fans
have been waiting a long time for
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in the NBA, and now it is here.
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00:24:22,546 --> 00:24:27,759
The attitude of the country was,
the Lakers were Black America's team,
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and the Celtics was white America's team.
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My advice to the Lakers is,
"Beware. Watch out."
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You're just gonna get a beating.
I'm a Boston guy.
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Just gonna get the beating of your life.
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00:24:38,270 --> 00:24:41,064
I hated Boston. Hated Boston.
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00:24:41,148 --> 00:24:42,983
Where did this come from?
Where'd it come from?
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It came from people having bricks thrown
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00:24:45,068 --> 00:24:47,988
through their windows.
It came from the busing footage you see
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in the late '60s and early '70s.
It came from all that shit.
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00:24:51,074 --> 00:24:56,747
I knew I had that anger
and hate built up in me
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for the Celtics.
So I was ready to go.
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00:25:01,126 --> 00:25:04,296
And Bob McAdoo gave me a Malcolm X tape.
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00:25:04,379 --> 00:25:07,132
Malcolm's speech,
"The Ballot or the Bullet."
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00:25:07,216 --> 00:25:10,427
That's the truth. You know,
I wanted the other guys to hear it.
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00:25:10,511 --> 00:25:13,722
So what you and I have got to do,
is get involved.
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00:25:13,805 --> 00:25:16,808
You and I have to be right there
breathing down their throat.
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00:25:16,892 --> 00:25:20,437
Every time they look over their shoulder,
we want them to see us.
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00:25:21,897 --> 00:25:25,442
Bob McAdoo rebelled
against racism and he--
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00:25:25,526 --> 00:25:28,070
he wanted you to be proud
that you were Black
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and stand up for other Black athletes,
just like all those before you.
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00:25:33,033 --> 00:25:36,203
And he stayed on me about it.
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00:25:36,286 --> 00:25:39,373
He said, "Earvin,
you're in such a unique position.
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Everything that you do,
you've gotta be a proud Black man."
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00:25:44,628 --> 00:25:48,173
On top of that, damn it,
I was playing Larry Bird.
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00:25:48,257 --> 00:25:52,594
He was put up by the media
as "the white savior."
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And all the fans and everybody that worked
398
00:25:57,474 --> 00:26:01,520
for the Laker organization reminded us
that we hadn't beat the Celtics
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00:26:02,229 --> 00:26:04,147
ever in the NBA Finals.
400
00:26:04,231 --> 00:26:08,485
So, you know, you got all this pressure.
401
00:26:08,569 --> 00:26:10,863
Beat LA! Beat LA!
402
00:26:10,946 --> 00:26:15,158
Already in the background
they're starting to chant, "Beat LA."
403
00:26:20,706 --> 00:26:23,876
The buzz and electricity
going into them games was
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00:26:24,668 --> 00:26:26,336
as high as I've ever seen it.
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00:26:28,422 --> 00:26:33,051
I wanted to shut the crowd up.
I wanted to beat them in Boston Garden.
406
00:26:33,135 --> 00:26:36,221
I wanted to beat Larry Bird
in Boston Garden.
407
00:26:36,305 --> 00:26:39,349
Magic Johnson
and Larry Bird, they are battling it out.
408
00:26:40,601 --> 00:26:44,605
Magic's been successful so far hitting
from outside, and he continues to be so.
409
00:26:44,688 --> 00:26:46,523
It's been all Los Angeles so far.
410
00:26:49,276 --> 00:26:52,738
In Boston, we won that first game,
and we've-- Man, we said,
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00:26:52,821 --> 00:26:55,574
"Okay, we know we can beat this team."
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00:26:55,657 --> 00:26:57,910
The Celtics will be
in white with Kelly green,
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00:26:57,993 --> 00:27:01,496
and the Lakers in their--
They call Forum blue with gold.
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00:27:03,540 --> 00:27:05,292
Magic.
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00:27:05,375 --> 00:27:07,586
Cooper and the fast break.
Going to town and--
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00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:10,005
and they are running the Celtics,
at this point,
417
00:27:10,088 --> 00:27:11,507
off the Boston Garden court.
418
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:15,344
We were about ready
in game two to go up 2-nothing.
419
00:27:15,427 --> 00:27:17,471
I think it was about ten seconds to go.
420
00:27:17,554 --> 00:27:20,766
You watch the clock
at the lower part of your screen.
421
00:27:20,849 --> 00:27:22,518
They're looking for Kareem.
422
00:27:22,601 --> 00:27:24,937
Magic Johnson keeps looking inside.
423
00:27:25,020 --> 00:27:28,065
I was the guy guarding him.
Like, "What is this fucking guy doing?"
424
00:27:28,148 --> 00:27:31,693
I'm looking at the clock and looking
at him. He's just dribbling.
425
00:27:31,777 --> 00:27:35,113
Two seconds.
One second. And they don't get it off.
426
00:27:35,989 --> 00:27:37,449
The Lakers don't get it.
427
00:27:38,825 --> 00:27:40,410
We didn't even get a shot off.
428
00:27:42,913 --> 00:27:46,124
And we end up losing that game
in overtime.
429
00:27:46,208 --> 00:27:47,918
A game that we should've won.
430
00:27:50,045 --> 00:27:53,590
They should have been up 2-0,
and we should have been down.
431
00:27:53,674 --> 00:27:55,384
And probably the series
would have been over.
432
00:27:55,968 --> 00:27:59,179
But instead, we were going
back to LA for game three.
433
00:28:03,433 --> 00:28:06,103
They call it "Showtime"
here in Los Angeles,
434
00:28:06,186 --> 00:28:07,646
and the Lakers are putting one on.
435
00:28:08,647 --> 00:28:10,941
He's the magic man, Earvin Johnson.
436
00:28:11,024 --> 00:28:12,651
And the Lakers want more.
437
00:28:14,820 --> 00:28:17,656
So we go out to LA, and they blow us out.
438
00:28:17,739 --> 00:28:18,949
Put it in.
439
00:28:21,952 --> 00:28:24,746
Magic Johnson has set
a championship series record
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00:28:24,830 --> 00:28:26,415
with 21 assists.
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00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,126
Our mentality was,
"we gotta do whatever we can
442
00:28:29,209 --> 00:28:30,544
to change the tempo of this game."
443
00:28:30,627 --> 00:28:33,130
And that's probably playing
a little more physical
444
00:28:33,213 --> 00:28:35,007
and doing some things they didn't like.
445
00:28:35,090 --> 00:28:37,217
And I remember Kevin McHale
and Larry said,
446
00:28:37,301 --> 00:28:39,469
"We've gotta take these guys out.
447
00:28:39,553 --> 00:28:43,015
Someone's gotta take a really hard foul."
And I said to Kevin,
448
00:28:43,098 --> 00:28:46,852
"Why don't you
foul somebody hard one time?
449
00:28:46,935 --> 00:28:50,230
Like, I do that every game and I'm booed
in every city in America."
450
00:28:51,857 --> 00:28:56,111
So what they decided to do,
was body slam you and hard foul you,
451
00:28:56,195 --> 00:28:58,405
and play physical and mean.
452
00:28:58,488 --> 00:29:00,949
We gotta wipe that smile
off his fucking face.
453
00:29:01,033 --> 00:29:02,409
That's what we have to do.
454
00:29:03,577 --> 00:29:05,871
Cooper to Kareem
to Worthy to Rambis.
455
00:29:05,954 --> 00:29:07,998
He should go the distance. Oh! Look out.
456
00:29:08,081 --> 00:29:10,792
McHale clotheslines him
and takes him out. All hell breaks loose.
457
00:29:12,294 --> 00:29:14,171
And now the bench is empty.
458
00:29:15,422 --> 00:29:19,885
That's just a dirty play.
I was going to find a way to kill him.
459
00:29:19,968 --> 00:29:22,596
When Kevin McHale took Kurt out,
460
00:29:22,679 --> 00:29:25,057
we started fighting instead of playing.
461
00:29:25,849 --> 00:29:29,186
Bird fights.
Kareem swings the elbow
462
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:30,979
and now is yelling at Larry Bird.
463
00:29:31,063 --> 00:29:33,815
"White boy, I'll kick your ass," and--
464
00:29:33,899 --> 00:29:36,860
If we could have clotheslined
every last one of them,
465
00:29:36,944 --> 00:29:37,945
we would have done it.
466
00:29:38,028 --> 00:29:41,615
We're in overtime. Tied at 123.
467
00:29:46,161 --> 00:29:47,162
He misses the first.
468
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:50,374
Johnson misses them both.
469
00:29:55,212 --> 00:29:56,797
My whole life,
470
00:29:57,756 --> 00:30:02,636
I had performed well under pressure,
in every championship moment.
471
00:30:03,762 --> 00:30:08,225
And I just don't know what happened.
472
00:30:11,228 --> 00:30:13,063
We went back and they won game five.
473
00:30:13,146 --> 00:30:17,109
The Lakers look like they're exhausted.
474
00:30:17,192 --> 00:30:19,194
Game six, we came home and won.
475
00:30:19,278 --> 00:30:21,697
We're gonna go to Boston for game seven.
476
00:30:21,780 --> 00:30:24,324
That is going to be Magic and Larry Bird.
477
00:30:29,913 --> 00:30:31,206
Larry Bird.
478
00:30:31,290 --> 00:30:33,125
The man the Celtics will live or die with.
479
00:30:33,208 --> 00:30:34,918
With a minute and a half now remaining.
480
00:30:37,045 --> 00:30:39,173
Magic Johnson goes up but lost the ball.
481
00:30:40,924 --> 00:30:45,262
Cedric Maxwell steals the ball
from me, knocks it away,
482
00:30:45,345 --> 00:30:47,431
now they go down and score,
483
00:30:47,514 --> 00:30:50,684
and so it just took the air out
of the Lakers.
484
00:30:50,767 --> 00:30:53,645
It just really hurt our team.
485
00:30:53,729 --> 00:30:57,024
Now Johnson with the ball.
The Lakers try to cut him to one.
486
00:30:59,985 --> 00:31:01,278
And he loses it.
487
00:31:01,361 --> 00:31:02,821
Final seconds.
488
00:31:04,907 --> 00:31:06,408
Cooper going for three.
489
00:31:06,491 --> 00:31:07,492
It's over.
490
00:31:12,164 --> 00:31:14,541
Man, you talking about devastation.
491
00:31:15,375 --> 00:31:18,754
I cost us that series. Tragic.
492
00:31:19,922 --> 00:31:21,673
We really relished that,
493
00:31:21,757 --> 00:31:25,010
the fact that we gave him
that label at that time.
494
00:31:25,093 --> 00:31:28,764
To hear "Tragic Magic,"
to see that in the newspaper,
495
00:31:28,847 --> 00:31:33,185
to see "I don't compare to Larry Bird,"
"he's a better player."
496
00:31:33,268 --> 00:31:35,437
It was just a huge disappointment.
497
00:31:36,104 --> 00:31:39,483
The trophies and the rings
and all that didn't matter.
498
00:31:39,566 --> 00:31:41,610
It was all about beating
the Lakers and Earvin.
499
00:31:41,693 --> 00:31:43,237
That's all that mattered.
500
00:31:43,820 --> 00:31:48,784
For me not to execute,
not to play well, I'm still mad.
501
00:31:48,867 --> 00:31:53,205
Even as I sit here talking to you
about it right now, I'm just upset,
502
00:31:53,288 --> 00:31:57,918
replaying all those moments
that I normally excel at,
503
00:31:58,001 --> 00:31:59,920
and I didn't for some reason.
504
00:32:00,796 --> 00:32:03,632
And after losing that game--
I'll never forget,
505
00:32:03,715 --> 00:32:08,929
we were just in the hotel room,
and you could hear him crying and sobbing.
506
00:32:09,513 --> 00:32:14,601
And we were just sitting on the floor
in silence for, you know,
507
00:32:14,685 --> 00:32:16,270
literally the whole night.
508
00:32:16,353 --> 00:32:18,021
I was devastated.
509
00:32:18,105 --> 00:32:20,983
That was probably one
of my darkest moments
510
00:32:21,066 --> 00:32:22,693
as a basketball player.
511
00:32:23,694 --> 00:32:25,529
Emotionally, man,
512
00:32:25,612 --> 00:32:29,283
he was in one of his most vulnerable
and weakest positions.
513
00:32:39,835 --> 00:32:42,880
I was first introduced
to basketball by my father.
514
00:32:42,963 --> 00:32:47,009
Watching games with him
on Saturdays and Sundays.
515
00:32:47,593 --> 00:32:51,430
If four games came on on Saturday,
we watched all four together.
516
00:32:52,764 --> 00:32:55,350
I'm getting four hours with my hero,
517
00:32:55,434 --> 00:32:58,645
with the guy
that I always wanted to be like.
518
00:32:58,729 --> 00:33:03,942
He would always explain
why the play happened
519
00:33:04,568 --> 00:33:07,696
and why the guy made that decision.
520
00:33:07,779 --> 00:33:11,450
So he wanted me to be smart
at the game of basketball.
521
00:33:11,533 --> 00:33:14,828
As a kid, was your dream
to play someday in the NBA?
522
00:33:14,912 --> 00:33:17,122
Oh, yeah. The biggest dream.
523
00:33:17,206 --> 00:33:21,210
And also my father's dream
for me being here. So it's nice.
524
00:33:23,003 --> 00:33:24,922
My father's from Mississippi,
525
00:33:25,005 --> 00:33:29,384
and when I went down south
to the place that everybody hung out,
526
00:33:29,468 --> 00:33:31,303
in the city that he grew up in,
527
00:33:32,137 --> 00:33:36,934
these guys were sitting there telling me,
"Your father was really good."
528
00:33:37,017 --> 00:33:42,147
And they would tell me the stories of,
you know, how he used to score
529
00:33:42,231 --> 00:33:45,859
and he was a pretty good player and--
530
00:33:45,943 --> 00:33:48,946
So all of them said, "That's why we knew
531
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:53,033
when you started playing
and you were good,
532
00:33:53,116 --> 00:33:55,202
we already knew the reason
that you were good.
533
00:33:55,285 --> 00:33:56,662
It's because of your father."
534
00:33:57,162 --> 00:34:01,875
And I was like-- I started looking at him,
like, "Dad, you didn't tell me."
535
00:34:01,959 --> 00:34:06,922
He said, "Boy, you know,
I didn't-- I couldn't continue to play.
536
00:34:07,005 --> 00:34:09,757
I had to work in the fields
to support my family.
537
00:34:09,842 --> 00:34:11,885
I had to quit basketball."
538
00:34:14,888 --> 00:34:17,516
And that just tore me up.
539
00:34:26,233 --> 00:34:28,902
Then '84, I wasn't ready.
540
00:34:29,610 --> 00:34:32,864
Mentally, I wasn't tough enough
and that's why we lost that series.
541
00:34:33,866 --> 00:34:37,244
But I'm not going to come back
and repeat the same mistake twice.
542
00:34:38,203 --> 00:34:42,583
I had to redeem myself,
I had to get back to being Magic again.
543
00:34:45,210 --> 00:34:46,545
That summer…
544
00:34:49,005 --> 00:34:53,092
he was on a hundred
every single workout.
545
00:34:54,428 --> 00:34:57,306
"I got to work on this shot,
I got to work on this shot.
546
00:34:59,183 --> 00:35:01,727
Throw it to me again, right here.
No, no, that ain't good enough.
547
00:35:01,810 --> 00:35:03,645
Throw it to me again." It's like,
"Damn, man,
548
00:35:03,729 --> 00:35:05,689
we've been out here three hours."
549
00:35:05,772 --> 00:35:09,276
He was just like,
"I'm not giving up. I'm not quitting.
550
00:35:09,359 --> 00:35:10,652
I'm coming back."
551
00:35:11,153 --> 00:35:14,323
And finally, you know, one time,
you know, we were playing
552
00:35:14,406 --> 00:35:19,453
and he shot me with the ball,
and I was like, "Look, I wear number 11.
553
00:35:19,536 --> 00:35:22,539
I don't wear number 33.
I don't play for the Celtics.
554
00:35:22,623 --> 00:35:25,542
I don't have on a green jersey right now."
555
00:35:25,626 --> 00:35:28,253
Boston once again
hosts Los Angeles
556
00:35:28,337 --> 00:35:29,671
in the NBA finals starting today.
557
00:35:29,755 --> 00:35:32,841
Larry Bird of the Boston Celtics
has the ultimate perch,
558
00:35:32,925 --> 00:35:34,801
he's won his second straight MVP award.
559
00:35:34,885 --> 00:35:37,179
This is a great honor for me.
I can't say it's better
560
00:35:37,262 --> 00:35:39,681
than the one last year,
because I guess they're all the same.
561
00:35:40,265 --> 00:35:44,603
Only thing I wanted to do was beat him.
Get back at him in '85. That was it.
562
00:35:44,686 --> 00:35:48,148
They call this one of
the greatest rivalries in all of sports,
563
00:35:48,232 --> 00:35:49,358
the Celtics and the Lakers.
564
00:35:49,441 --> 00:35:52,694
It is the most one-sided rivalry
in all of sports.
565
00:35:52,778 --> 00:35:55,322
There was an albatross
that we were carrying on our back.
566
00:35:55,405 --> 00:35:57,324
The Lakers had never beaten the Celtics.
567
00:35:57,407 --> 00:35:58,951
Eight consecutive losses.
568
00:35:59,034 --> 00:36:00,369
Okay, come on. Bring it on.
569
00:36:00,452 --> 00:36:03,747
We're underway.
The championship on the line.
570
00:36:07,376 --> 00:36:09,419
Everything that could go wrong went wrong.
571
00:36:09,503 --> 00:36:12,047
Game one,
they get the shit beat out of them.
572
00:36:12,714 --> 00:36:15,092
We get killed. We got beat by 34 points.
573
00:36:15,175 --> 00:36:18,178
It's known today
as the Memorial Day massacre.
574
00:36:18,262 --> 00:36:22,975
The media, The Boston Globe,
all of the Boston papers were blasting us.
575
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,062
I just have to say
we just wasn't ready to play.
576
00:36:31,233 --> 00:36:35,279
And the next day, it's, like,
you know, two minutes before 6:00,
577
00:36:35,362 --> 00:36:36,697
and Kareem's not on the bus.
578
00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:41,660
Here comes Kareem,
and behind him is Mr. Alcindor,
579
00:36:41,743 --> 00:36:42,953
Kareem's father.
580
00:36:43,036 --> 00:36:44,580
His dad gets on.
581
00:36:45,247 --> 00:36:48,375
And the bus, that's sacred.
582
00:36:48,458 --> 00:36:51,003
Can't nobody get on that bus.
583
00:36:51,086 --> 00:36:54,047
Like, that's a Pat Riley rule, like,
584
00:36:54,131 --> 00:36:57,384
don't even think about entering that bus.
585
00:36:57,467 --> 00:36:59,094
It was an accident, you know.
586
00:37:01,388 --> 00:37:03,891
At the time,
my father was dealing with dementia,
587
00:37:03,974 --> 00:37:05,601
it was just starting.
588
00:37:05,684 --> 00:37:08,770
And I saw my Dad wandering
around in the lobby.
589
00:37:09,479 --> 00:37:11,190
"What are you doing here?"
I went and got him
590
00:37:11,273 --> 00:37:13,066
and put him on the bus.
591
00:37:13,150 --> 00:37:15,777
He looked at Riles and said,
"Can my dad ride the bus?"
592
00:37:15,861 --> 00:37:17,196
I said, "Sure, absolutely."
593
00:37:17,279 --> 00:37:19,865
If he needed the solace of his father,
594
00:37:20,449 --> 00:37:23,076
I ain't going to say, "No" to your dad.
595
00:37:26,205 --> 00:37:29,041
When we finally got to the arena,
596
00:37:29,124 --> 00:37:32,169
Riley was working on his pre-game talk.
597
00:37:33,170 --> 00:37:35,464
Kareem getting on the bus with his father,
598
00:37:36,715 --> 00:37:39,593
that changed my thought process
about what I wanted to talk about.
599
00:37:41,553 --> 00:37:43,263
My father said to me,
600
00:37:44,014 --> 00:37:46,391
"When it gets tough, you know,
when it gets really tough, Pat,
601
00:37:46,475 --> 00:37:49,770
and it will get tough, you know,
you've got to plant your feet, stand firm,
602
00:37:49,853 --> 00:37:52,189
make a point about who you are
and what you believe in.
603
00:37:52,272 --> 00:37:54,274
And when that time comes, son, you do it."
604
00:37:55,651 --> 00:37:57,402
Those were the last words
605
00:37:57,486 --> 00:38:02,366
that basically I had heard
my father say to me.
606
00:38:02,449 --> 00:38:04,117
You know, I think we all felt it.
607
00:38:04,201 --> 00:38:07,287
And we all wanted
to go out there and play for Cap's dad,
608
00:38:07,371 --> 00:38:09,873
play for our dads, you know,
play for Riles's dad.
609
00:38:10,582 --> 00:38:14,586
I owe everything that I am
as a man to my father.
610
00:38:14,670 --> 00:38:19,341
Because of what he gave up for me,
and I'm living for him.
611
00:38:19,424 --> 00:38:22,928
Rebounds to McHale,
stolen by Magic. Underneath, slam dunk.
612
00:38:24,096 --> 00:38:27,641
McHale and Magic going at it.
613
00:38:27,724 --> 00:38:32,479
And then that's when I start playing
Magic Johnson basketball.
614
00:38:32,563 --> 00:38:33,689
Fearless.
615
00:38:33,772 --> 00:38:37,734
Four on one, to Magic.
Magic to Kareem. Slam dunk.
616
00:38:42,281 --> 00:38:46,159
It is 3-2 in favor of Los Angeles
as we go back to Boston.
617
00:38:47,411 --> 00:38:49,621
By the time we went to game six
618
00:38:49,705 --> 00:38:51,707
and we're heading back to Boston,
619
00:38:51,790 --> 00:38:53,500
there was tremendous confidence.
620
00:38:53,584 --> 00:38:55,586
We're gonna win. I told the team,
621
00:38:55,669 --> 00:38:59,590
"Pack one suit. There's not going
to be game seven."
622
00:38:59,673 --> 00:39:01,675
The Lakers are one victory away
623
00:39:01,758 --> 00:39:05,179
from a world championship
and ending one of the longest jinxes
624
00:39:05,262 --> 00:39:06,722
in the history of professional sport.
625
00:39:06,805 --> 00:39:08,849
I knew we were better than them.
626
00:39:09,558 --> 00:39:11,643
I knew it. We just had
to go out and prove it.
627
00:39:16,148 --> 00:39:19,860
Two-man game.
Magic and Kareem. Inside. Kareem.
628
00:39:20,444 --> 00:39:21,528
Well, Magic Johnson.
629
00:39:23,530 --> 00:39:24,948
Magic sees an opening.
630
00:39:25,032 --> 00:39:27,284
And the Lakers can smell it right now.
631
00:39:27,367 --> 00:39:30,704
And their bench is up.
The Lakers are winning it.
632
00:39:31,330 --> 00:39:32,873
Three in six years.
633
00:39:32,956 --> 00:39:35,709
LA comes to Boston
and wins the world title.
634
00:39:39,838 --> 00:39:42,466
Wow, We finally did it.
635
00:39:43,050 --> 00:39:46,386
Beat them on their home court
and to celebrate in their city.
636
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:48,180
One of the greatest feelings in the world.
637
00:39:48,263 --> 00:39:51,183
You came out here early today ahead
of all your teammates,
638
00:39:51,266 --> 00:39:53,602
and you were
out taking jump shots, set shots.
639
00:39:53,685 --> 00:39:55,646
The look of determination on your face.
640
00:39:55,729 --> 00:39:58,065
No question about it.
It's a long year last year
641
00:39:58,148 --> 00:39:59,816
to wait for this moment right now.
642
00:39:59,900 --> 00:40:03,737
What a great moment
for me to redeem myself,
643
00:40:04,571 --> 00:40:07,658
to beat my rival,
to do it in Boston Garden.
644
00:40:07,741 --> 00:40:12,079
No team has ever won a championship
on that parquet floor.
645
00:40:14,289 --> 00:40:15,916
We're never going to forget that,
646
00:40:15,999 --> 00:40:18,752
'cause we were
in that together as brothers.
647
00:40:18,836 --> 00:40:19,837
The run is over,
648
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,966
and that's when Dr. Buss held
up the trophy and he said--
649
00:40:24,049 --> 00:40:25,843
It can never again be said
650
00:40:25,926 --> 00:40:28,762
that the Lakers
have never beaten the Celtics.
651
00:40:29,763 --> 00:40:31,890
You couldn't tell me nothing, man.
652
00:40:31,974 --> 00:40:34,351
I mean, I was too happy.
653
00:40:35,978 --> 00:40:39,940
Some may have thought that
the Celtics title was an immovable object,
654
00:40:40,023 --> 00:40:43,402
but does America believe in magic?
You bet we do.
655
00:40:49,449 --> 00:40:52,870
After we won that championship,
I went to his birthday party.
656
00:40:54,538 --> 00:40:57,416
I hope everybody has a good time
and enjoy themselves.
657
00:40:57,499 --> 00:40:59,459
He had Luther Vandross come sing.
658
00:41:02,629 --> 00:41:05,215
You ask anybody they'll tell you,
659
00:41:05,299 --> 00:41:08,510
you come to a Magic party it's going
to be beautiful people,
660
00:41:08,594 --> 00:41:10,554
we're gonna be having a good time.
661
00:41:10,637 --> 00:41:13,348
Mr. Dark Gable, Michael Cooper.
662
00:41:14,516 --> 00:41:17,728
I go, "Earv,
why don't you have Cookie out?"
663
00:41:17,811 --> 00:41:22,441
He said, "Coop, she's allowing me
to be me, but that's where my heart is."
664
00:41:23,775 --> 00:41:26,987
I mean, he's my brother,
so I just had to make sure that,
665
00:41:27,070 --> 00:41:31,658
you know, he's with someone who cares
about him and who loves him.
666
00:41:31,742 --> 00:41:34,953
So I invited her to the party.
667
00:41:35,537 --> 00:41:38,332
I went to the party and,
you know, I remember him,
668
00:41:38,415 --> 00:41:41,877
when I walked in, he goes,
"What are you doing here?"
669
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,254
You know, kind of like,
"How did you even get here?"
670
00:41:44,963 --> 00:41:48,967
And that whole night it's
like he came over and danced with me.
671
00:41:49,051 --> 00:41:51,053
That ignited it again.
672
00:41:51,762 --> 00:41:54,765
I would see him more and more,
and spend a little more time with him.
673
00:41:55,891 --> 00:41:58,310
And he would come and visit in the summer.
674
00:41:58,393 --> 00:41:59,686
And that was nice.
675
00:42:00,521 --> 00:42:03,690
That summer, we would go to Cedar Rapids.
676
00:42:03,774 --> 00:42:05,484
To the amusement park.
677
00:42:05,984 --> 00:42:07,402
You know, just like kids.
678
00:42:07,486 --> 00:42:10,197
You know, we wanted
to ride the roller coaster…
679
00:42:12,908 --> 00:42:17,204
and then we wanted to win
as many stuffed animals
680
00:42:17,287 --> 00:42:20,082
for our girls as we could. You know?
681
00:42:20,165 --> 00:42:23,126
It was just a lot of joking and fun,
682
00:42:23,210 --> 00:42:25,963
and it was just really us
just getting back together
683
00:42:26,046 --> 00:42:29,508
and kind of rekindling,
you know, our relationship.
684
00:42:30,092 --> 00:42:33,345
Isiah got married,
and not just Isiah,
685
00:42:33,428 --> 00:42:36,265
all our friends were married, the circle,
686
00:42:36,348 --> 00:42:39,017
and I was the only one
that was not married.
687
00:42:39,101 --> 00:42:41,228
And I used to say to Earvin all the time,
688
00:42:41,311 --> 00:42:43,397
"I know there's a lot
of other people out here,
689
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:48,110
but ain't no one ever going
to love you like this woman here."
690
00:42:49,528 --> 00:42:52,698
He was at his parents' house,
and I came up
691
00:42:54,157 --> 00:42:55,784
to spend some time with him.
692
00:42:57,202 --> 00:43:00,330
And I walk in, you know,
talking to the family and everything,
693
00:43:00,414 --> 00:43:03,125
and then Earvin leaves,
'cause he does that a lot.
694
00:43:03,208 --> 00:43:05,586
He'll just leave and come back,
and, You know,
695
00:43:05,669 --> 00:43:08,755
I'm best friends with one of his sisters
and I love his mother, so I'm--
696
00:43:08,839 --> 00:43:11,717
I'm just, you know, visiting with them.
697
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,303
And then he comes back
and he gets out the car,
698
00:43:14,386 --> 00:43:15,846
and this little boy is with him.
699
00:43:16,889 --> 00:43:19,558
He came in with the little boy and
700
00:43:20,601 --> 00:43:23,228
the little boy's looking terrified.
701
00:43:23,312 --> 00:43:24,897
He's standing there, like…
702
00:43:25,606 --> 00:43:27,983
And they're all like, "This is Andre."
703
00:43:28,066 --> 00:43:31,653
And I'm looking at Earvin,
I'm looking at Andre,
704
00:43:31,737 --> 00:43:35,032
and then finally he goes,
"Yep, it's my son."
705
00:43:35,949 --> 00:43:38,535
And I said, "It was just a night.
706
00:43:38,619 --> 00:43:41,872
We slept together
and I just had never thought,
707
00:43:41,955 --> 00:43:44,875
you know, that she was pregnant."
708
00:43:45,459 --> 00:43:49,129
And so I found out later, and he was mine.
709
00:43:50,255 --> 00:43:52,799
That was important for her to meet Andre.
710
00:43:56,261 --> 00:43:57,471
You know,
711
00:43:57,554 --> 00:44:00,724
it's always still awkward
and tough, no matter what.
712
00:44:00,807 --> 00:44:04,770
I was shocked.
It was shocking for a minute.
713
00:44:04,853 --> 00:44:06,146
And I told her, I said,
714
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:09,274
"One thing I'm going
to always do is be in his life,
715
00:44:09,358 --> 00:44:12,277
and I'm going
to always take care of my son."
716
00:44:13,028 --> 00:44:15,739
And again,
this was the point where we were,
717
00:44:15,822 --> 00:44:17,824
you know, just getting back together.
718
00:44:19,034 --> 00:44:21,161
The second thought was,
719
00:44:21,245 --> 00:44:25,249
"Well, he is his son,
what can you do?" You know?
720
00:44:26,250 --> 00:44:30,045
You just-- I just decided
to see how this plays out.
721
00:44:33,257 --> 00:44:37,177
Right before he was about
to go back to go to LA
722
00:44:37,261 --> 00:44:41,431
and get ready for training camp,
we were in the living room,
723
00:44:41,515 --> 00:44:42,683
you know, saying goodbye,
724
00:44:42,766 --> 00:44:45,602
'cause I was going
to drive back to Toledo.
725
00:44:45,686 --> 00:44:50,649
And he was--
I noticed he was a little nervous-y.
726
00:44:51,233 --> 00:44:52,442
He said,
727
00:44:53,068 --> 00:44:58,574
"Cookie, I love you
and I want to marry you."
728
00:44:58,657 --> 00:45:00,242
And I'm thinking, "What?"
729
00:45:00,826 --> 00:45:02,703
You know, and it came out of nowhere.
730
00:45:02,786 --> 00:45:06,248
You know, like he wanted to do it,
he didn't know if he wanted to do it,
731
00:45:06,331 --> 00:45:07,499
and then he just did it.
732
00:45:07,583 --> 00:45:09,626
-And we was all geeked and gung ho.
-Absolutely.
733
00:45:09,710 --> 00:45:13,714
Like, "Oh, this is great. Finally came
around and saw what he had."
734
00:45:17,092 --> 00:45:19,344
And then he left the next day.
735
00:45:19,428 --> 00:45:22,764
We know-- We talked on the phone,
we talked about planning the wedding.
736
00:45:22,848 --> 00:45:25,184
"Oh, my God, I've got
to plan the wedding, I'm so excited."
737
00:45:25,267 --> 00:45:29,646
And that's when he told me,
"I can't do it. I tried. I can't do it.
738
00:45:29,730 --> 00:45:32,065
It's too much pressure on me.
It's just too much pressure."
739
00:45:32,149 --> 00:45:37,112
I could get engaged to her,
'cause was the easy part.
740
00:45:37,196 --> 00:45:38,864
The hard part was following through.
741
00:45:38,947 --> 00:45:42,784
And he said, "I just can't do it,
742
00:45:42,868 --> 00:45:44,745
and I just want to break the engagement."
743
00:45:44,828 --> 00:45:48,916
And I thought-- I said, "Well, you know,
after all we've been through,
744
00:45:48,999 --> 00:45:50,584
that's not-- I can't do that.
745
00:45:50,667 --> 00:45:53,086
So if you're gonna break the engagement,
we're breaking up."
746
00:45:56,507 --> 00:45:57,716
Here's Magic Johnson.
747
00:45:59,676 --> 00:46:01,887
Is there a special lady in your life yet?
748
00:46:01,970 --> 00:46:04,306
No. Not anymore.
Remember the last time,
749
00:46:04,389 --> 00:46:06,558
we talked about how I was thinking
about getting married,
750
00:46:06,642 --> 00:46:08,101
but I took your advice.
751
00:46:09,645 --> 00:46:12,481
What are you going to do now,
with time now, before the next season?
752
00:46:12,564 --> 00:46:15,943
I'ma relax.
Just have some fun. Party.
753
00:46:16,026 --> 00:46:18,403
-Why not? Fun, party.
-Yeah.
754
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,755
In sports, this year's MVP
award in basketball goes to Magic Johnson
755
00:46:36,839 --> 00:46:37,881
of the LA Lakers.
756
00:46:37,965 --> 00:46:42,553
Johnson averaged a career-best 23.9 points
a game and led the league in assists.
757
00:46:42,636 --> 00:46:44,429
This is a special award,
758
00:46:44,513 --> 00:46:49,059
and I dedicate it to my dad, and I hope
he's as proud and happy as I am tonight.
759
00:46:49,768 --> 00:46:52,771
The Lakers are looking for
their third title of the past five years.
760
00:46:52,855 --> 00:46:56,024
The Celtics are making their fourth
consecutive appearance in the finals.
761
00:46:56,108 --> 00:46:59,903
First time in ten years,
the Celtics have not had a home-court edge
762
00:46:59,987 --> 00:47:00,988
in the playoff series.
763
00:47:01,071 --> 00:47:04,575
Eighty-seven.
It was nothing they can do with us.
764
00:47:04,658 --> 00:47:08,412
Five seconds left.
Magic Johnson… a hook shot at 12. Yes!
765
00:47:08,495 --> 00:47:13,250
The Lakers take the lead
on Magic Johnson's stunning sky-hook.
766
00:47:13,333 --> 00:47:16,545
It was the baby sky-hook. The invention,
they said, of the baby sky-hook.
767
00:47:16,628 --> 00:47:19,631
…Pat Riley,
as the Lakers dance off the court.
768
00:47:20,215 --> 00:47:23,886
One of us was gonna take the
Championship lead over each other.
769
00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:27,806
That's between Larry and I, right?
770
00:47:27,890 --> 00:47:32,269
And I had to make sure
that was going to be my team being up 2-1.
771
00:47:32,352 --> 00:47:34,980
'Cause I had to have the edge.
772
00:47:48,702 --> 00:47:54,041
Man, we were a fine-tuned machine.
773
00:47:56,668 --> 00:48:01,965
And that was our best team, if not
the greatest team ever in NBA history.
774
00:48:02,049 --> 00:48:06,136
Jerry, around the world more people saw
this Finals than any other in our history.
775
00:48:06,220 --> 00:48:07,429
They saw quite a show.
776
00:48:10,182 --> 00:48:16,813
And all I want you to do, like we've been
doing, is just party and have a good time.
777
00:48:20,234 --> 00:48:22,986
And there aren't
any more people in this world
778
00:48:23,070 --> 00:48:27,199
that deserve a World Championship again,
779
00:48:27,282 --> 00:48:29,243
more than the people in Inglewood here.
780
00:48:29,826 --> 00:48:34,414
And I'm guaranteeing everybody here,
next year we're gonna win it again.
781
00:48:37,918 --> 00:48:44,341
Magic was a champion. You know, the MVP
of the league. He was the best player.
782
00:48:45,008 --> 00:48:47,427
And, for me as a friend,
783
00:48:47,511 --> 00:48:51,932
watching the championship path to winning
784
00:48:52,516 --> 00:48:57,604
confirmed in my mind,
in '88 I wanted to win.
785
00:48:58,397 --> 00:49:02,276
The Lakers and Detroit Pistons
begin their NBA Championship series.
786
00:49:02,359 --> 00:49:04,444
I think in the first game
what we're going to see
787
00:49:04,528 --> 00:49:06,572
is going to be like
a heavyweight championship fight.
788
00:49:06,655 --> 00:49:10,325
…the fact that Magic Johnson
and Isiah Thomas are the best of friends,
789
00:49:10,409 --> 00:49:12,744
except when they compete
against each other.
790
00:49:12,828 --> 00:49:13,996
Now, we saw you go over
791
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:16,832
and give your good friend
Isiah Thomas a little kiss on the cheek.
792
00:49:16,915 --> 00:49:20,460
Is that kind of a ritual
you guys have gone through.
793
00:49:20,544 --> 00:49:21,753
You've been friends for many years.
794
00:49:21,837 --> 00:49:24,965
Yes, we always greet each other,
any time we see each other,
795
00:49:25,048 --> 00:49:27,342
we greet each other
with the kiss on the cheek.
796
00:49:28,051 --> 00:49:31,430
I don't think our players liked that.
I know I didn't like it.
797
00:49:31,513 --> 00:49:34,224
I don't like fraternizing
or any of this stuff.
798
00:49:35,267 --> 00:49:37,269
You have no other friends.
799
00:49:37,352 --> 00:49:40,355
If they don't have a purple and gold
jersey on, you have no other friends.
800
00:49:40,439 --> 00:49:41,732
And he was serious about that.
801
00:49:42,900 --> 00:49:45,903
Pat Riley did not like that friendship.
802
00:49:45,986 --> 00:49:47,029
He came to me, he said,
803
00:49:47,112 --> 00:49:53,243
"Hey," would I go after Isiah
if that situation presented itself?
804
00:49:53,327 --> 00:49:58,749
And I remember everybody looking like,
"We're going to see what he going to do."
805
00:49:58,832 --> 00:50:01,376
They're friends
before and after, not during.
806
00:50:02,753 --> 00:50:04,880
Thomas… Magic Johnson.
807
00:50:04,963 --> 00:50:07,674
And Magic went after him
there with the forearm.
808
00:50:07,758 --> 00:50:10,135
That was a bad play by Magic Johnson.
809
00:50:10,219 --> 00:50:12,429
Before I knew it, he was-- Boom.
810
00:50:12,513 --> 00:50:14,181
I was like, "Okay. All right."
811
00:50:14,264 --> 00:50:18,143
He jumps up and swung at me.
So, that's when it started.
812
00:50:19,895 --> 00:50:22,439
And now we see
Magic Johnson getting an in--
813
00:50:23,315 --> 00:50:26,068
When we talk about winning,
we talking about dominance.
814
00:50:26,693 --> 00:50:28,320
Can I mentally break you?
815
00:50:29,238 --> 00:50:35,327
That elicits emotions and passion
and love and hate.
816
00:50:43,585 --> 00:50:46,922
That was the start
of us not being friends.
817
00:50:47,673 --> 00:50:51,176
And not, you know, really talking anymore.
818
00:50:54,054 --> 00:50:55,681
Our relationship,
819
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:58,517
it came apart because
820
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,104
the Championship journey is about
821
00:51:02,980 --> 00:51:06,483
the insatiable appetite
for wanting to win.
822
00:51:08,527 --> 00:51:09,570
No mercy.
823
00:51:11,488 --> 00:51:13,282
The game ends.
824
00:51:13,365 --> 00:51:14,575
The Lakers have won it.
825
00:51:17,578 --> 00:51:21,290
For me it's just--
it's always been winning at all costs.
826
00:51:22,833 --> 00:51:26,170
If it costs me friendships,
it just cost me that.
827
00:51:27,421 --> 00:51:29,756
It's party time once again.
828
00:51:31,633 --> 00:51:35,596
I always followed him, of course,
and, you know, was always happy for him.
829
00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:37,264
How do you like us now?
830
00:51:38,515 --> 00:51:40,225
Whenever he won
a Championship or something,
831
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:42,269
I would call him and congratulate him.
832
00:51:45,272 --> 00:51:47,900
I started dating a guy in Chicago,
833
00:51:47,983 --> 00:51:51,236
but then Earvin was always
in the back of my mind.
834
00:51:51,737 --> 00:51:54,615
By that time, we started talking
a little more on the phone.
835
00:51:56,116 --> 00:52:00,204
One day he called and the guy was over,
he was like, "Well why can't you talk?"
836
00:52:00,287 --> 00:52:03,540
I'm like, "'Cause I have company."
He's like, "Why do you have company?"
837
00:52:04,458 --> 00:52:07,544
I'm like, "What? We're not
together, what are you talking about?"
838
00:52:08,045 --> 00:52:12,716
So, I think that really, kind of,
snapped him back.
839
00:52:12,799 --> 00:52:14,134
Like, "Wait a minute,
840
00:52:14,218 --> 00:52:17,513
she might not just be sitting there
waiting all this time for me."
841
00:52:17,596 --> 00:52:21,934
It's hard seeing somebody you love
be with somebody else, right?
842
00:52:22,017 --> 00:52:24,061
And we got back together.
843
00:52:25,687 --> 00:52:27,147
Their song was like--
844
00:52:27,231 --> 00:52:30,609
-"Reunited"? Was the--
-"Reunited." Yeah, yeah.
845
00:52:31,276 --> 00:52:33,529
Yeah, I think that was their make up song.
846
00:52:35,197 --> 00:52:37,491
I know I used it before, so--
847
00:52:37,574 --> 00:52:39,868
A lot of making up that went on too.
848
00:52:40,536 --> 00:52:46,708
He rented out, like, this little soul food
restaurant. The entire restaurant.
849
00:52:46,792 --> 00:52:50,212
He had all the family come.
850
00:52:51,630 --> 00:52:55,133
And I was trying to do the right thing.
I'm always trying to do the right thing.
851
00:52:55,634 --> 00:52:59,763
Then he had this ring
in his hand in the box,
852
00:52:59,847 --> 00:53:03,809
and he said-- He turned to me and he said,
"Cookie, will you marry me?"
853
00:53:05,936 --> 00:53:10,440
I just jumped up and ran over and hugged
him, and he gave me the ring.
854
00:53:11,108 --> 00:53:13,735
So part of me thought,
"Is it the same ring?"
855
00:53:14,987 --> 00:53:17,114
But it wasn't.
It was definitely bigger.
856
00:53:19,366 --> 00:53:21,618
Engagement number two became
857
00:53:23,161 --> 00:53:26,748
planning the wedding around the season,
858
00:53:26,832 --> 00:53:32,421
practice, early practice, getting to--
getting ready for the season, the season.
859
00:53:32,963 --> 00:53:36,842
It just became, "Well I think--
Okay, we're going to do it this time,
860
00:53:36,925 --> 00:53:39,553
but I can only fit it in--"
861
00:53:39,636 --> 00:53:43,182
-We had to get it in here.
-"…this week or this week."
862
00:53:43,265 --> 00:53:47,060
I call it the roller coaster,
because it was just up, you know.
863
00:53:47,144 --> 00:53:48,353
Up and it's like, "Whatever."
864
00:53:49,980 --> 00:53:55,235
And if I'm going to be completely honest,
Earvin and I had had a conversation,
865
00:53:55,319 --> 00:54:00,824
and I don't know if he remembers this,
but he was-- He wasn't sure.
866
00:54:00,908 --> 00:54:04,077
And I had told him, I said, "You know
what, if you're not sure, don't do it."
867
00:54:04,161 --> 00:54:05,621
I didn't want him to hurt her.
868
00:54:06,997 --> 00:54:11,960
Once I got the plan again,
it just became hard
869
00:54:12,544 --> 00:54:17,716
to get me to the aisle
and to the church, right?
870
00:54:17,799 --> 00:54:19,259
And walk down that aisle.
871
00:54:19,927 --> 00:54:22,596
After going back and forth,
I said, "Well, I tell you what.
872
00:54:23,263 --> 00:54:27,017
We can postpone the wedding,
but we're not breaking the engagement.
873
00:54:27,100 --> 00:54:28,519
So, we're staying engaged."
874
00:54:29,102 --> 00:54:31,438
"Cookie, you know, stop playing.
Give me the ring."
875
00:54:32,523 --> 00:54:36,944
I opened the door at the same time
and I said, "No, this time is different."
876
00:54:37,027 --> 00:54:38,487
And I just slammed the door.
877
00:54:40,531 --> 00:54:43,408
I was getting ready for Isiah.
878
00:54:44,326 --> 00:54:49,248
The Pistons were so good, we had to be
at full strength to beat them.
879
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,584
So now we play them again in '89.
880
00:54:53,126 --> 00:54:55,379
Magic Johnson
may have pulled a hamstring.
881
00:54:58,257 --> 00:55:02,177
It was bad. I cried in the shower.
882
00:55:02,261 --> 00:55:05,806
They had to basically
pull me out of the shower.
883
00:55:06,682 --> 00:55:10,310
By the time we went home,
he tried to play. He just couldn't play.
884
00:55:10,394 --> 00:55:14,231
It was like blood in the water
and they just wore us down.
885
00:55:14,898 --> 00:55:21,154
We were a little beat-up, a little older
and, you know, that era was over.
886
00:55:21,238 --> 00:55:23,198
Yeah, we ended up getting swept.
887
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,829
For a long time I've always wanted to say,
number one.
888
00:55:30,622 --> 00:55:32,583
You know,
it was Kareem's last year.
889
00:55:32,666 --> 00:55:35,502
One of the most memorable
careers in American sports history
890
00:55:35,586 --> 00:55:38,338
ended last night
when the Pistons beat the Lakers.
891
00:55:38,422 --> 00:55:41,091
It was the final game
for Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
892
00:55:41,592 --> 00:55:45,053
That's when I kind of knew that the--
Like the Celtics had done,
893
00:55:45,137 --> 00:55:48,348
had made them early runs in '80,
ours was just coming to an end.
894
00:55:49,391 --> 00:55:53,020
In the next year,
I could see this thing unwinding.
895
00:55:56,023 --> 00:55:57,107
And that was it.
896
00:55:57,191 --> 00:56:00,235
Speculation laid to rest,
Pat Riley, of his own doing,
897
00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:02,029
resigned as coach of the Lakers.
898
00:56:02,112 --> 00:56:05,616
Riley said he's ready for a new challenge
after more than meeting the old one.
899
00:56:05,699 --> 00:56:09,661
I remember the day he came to my house
to tell me that he was leaving,
900
00:56:10,329 --> 00:56:14,166
and I said, "No, you can't."
And we both just started crying,
901
00:56:14,249 --> 00:56:16,543
and I told him,
902
00:56:18,212 --> 00:56:20,506
"I'm not going to be Magic without you."
903
00:56:21,507 --> 00:56:22,633
This is the Forum.
904
00:56:22,716 --> 00:56:26,136
You may not recognize it.
The Lakers don't, but in fact,
905
00:56:26,220 --> 00:56:29,473
the Lakers are having a hard
time recognizing themselves these days.
906
00:56:29,556 --> 00:56:32,976
The sounds of silence
this time of year are rather eerie here.
907
00:56:33,060 --> 00:56:35,938
Showtime is gone, the magic is over.
908
00:56:36,021 --> 00:56:38,273
The real worry is, will it ever return?
909
00:56:38,982 --> 00:56:42,236
Riley's gone and Kareem's gone,
910
00:56:43,362 --> 00:56:46,740
and now '91, here come the Bulls.
911
00:56:46,823 --> 00:56:49,368
Jordan to the hoop. Big in the air. Score!
912
00:56:49,451 --> 00:56:51,578
I got into the league in '84.
913
00:56:51,662 --> 00:56:55,374
In the '80s it was only
the Celtics against the Lakers.
914
00:56:55,457 --> 00:57:00,921
As big a star as Magic Johnson was,
Michael Jordan was coming on the scene.
915
00:57:01,004 --> 00:57:04,716
Nobody like him. Point-blank,
I never seen nobody play like he plays.
916
00:57:05,676 --> 00:57:09,388
He comes in and he got
all the endorsement deals.
917
00:57:09,471 --> 00:57:13,475
He's Air Jordan on the court
and a bona fide commodity for brands.
918
00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:16,311
Jordan now rakes in
the richest commercial earnings
919
00:57:16,395 --> 00:57:17,980
in the history of team sports.
920
00:57:18,063 --> 00:57:19,273
You better eat your Wheaties.
921
00:57:19,815 --> 00:57:22,234
Magic Johnson
should've had that way before me.
922
00:57:22,317 --> 00:57:24,695
You know, his personality, his persona,
923
00:57:25,821 --> 00:57:28,949
and I think that's where
the jealousy grew between me and him.
924
00:57:29,032 --> 00:57:31,785
Yes, I was mad.
Yes, I was jealous, you know.
925
00:57:31,869 --> 00:57:33,537
Yeah, I'm a competitor, I'm gonna be mad.
926
00:57:34,913 --> 00:57:38,792
You know, I may have had
my McDonald's commercial, Jordan brand,
927
00:57:38,876 --> 00:57:40,085
you know, blah, blah, blah.
928
00:57:40,586 --> 00:57:45,048
But in terms of winning, which is to me
the most important part about it is,
929
00:57:45,132 --> 00:57:46,341
he had that.
930
00:57:46,425 --> 00:57:49,344
And I wanted it,
and I wanted to go through him,
931
00:57:49,428 --> 00:57:51,847
I didn't want to go around him.
I wanted to go through him.
932
00:57:52,764 --> 00:57:56,226
We had heard a lot about
Michael Jordan and what he was doing,
933
00:57:56,310 --> 00:58:01,398
but you want to take on Magic and
you want to start winning championships.
934
00:58:01,481 --> 00:58:02,858
You're looking for rings?
935
00:58:02,941 --> 00:58:05,611
Okay, all right,
let's see what you can do.
936
00:58:06,236 --> 00:58:10,949
In '91, when people
had doubted us, that got me motivated.
937
00:58:11,867 --> 00:58:15,537
Without Riley and Abdul-Jabbar,
the showtime era might be over,
938
00:58:15,621 --> 00:58:18,707
but Magic's leadership
of the Lakers continues.
939
00:58:18,790 --> 00:58:21,877
The team has the best record
in the league this year.
940
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,546
I wanted to prove
to people that, you know,
941
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:27,466
we could still be successful
without Kareem.
942
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,846
And I wanted to face the Chicago Bulls.
77458
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