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[Neal] We call this the
accidental collection because,
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never in a million
years did we think
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we were really
collecting anything.
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Neal and I attended the
church here in Dallas
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{\an1}for 18 years, and there's
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{\an8}a small antique mall
near the church.
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And so after church was over,
we would just sometimes stop
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off there and browse.
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We were there one
Sunday, we were there.
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We were just going through there
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and have these little boots.
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{\an8}And we found a group of
moxa photos just digging
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through them.
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And one of them was a
photograph of a male couple.
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{\an1}And the look in their eyes
said that there's clearly
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something more here
than friendship.
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There was a little bit
of love that showed,
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there was something
special between them.
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{\an1}To us, we looked at the
photo, the photo looked back at
us
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and said, we're the
same and we bought it,
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it wasn't expensive.
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{\an1}And we didn't think we
would ever see another one.
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(camera shutters)
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It was astonishing,
we could not believe
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{\an1}that a photograph like
this had ever been taken,
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{\an1}much less survived what
looked like approximately 80
years
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at that point.
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We came home with it, we
set it down on our office desk
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in our home, and it
sat there for months.
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We moved it from pile to
pile as when we were cleaning
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the desk and it was
nice to run across it.
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(camera shutters)
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[Neal] We found a second
one, probably the only other one
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that we'll probably
ever have to find.
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{\an1}[Hugh] The second one of
the only two that existed
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in the world.
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And then there's three.
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(soft piano music)
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(calm piano music)
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[Neal] When we
moved to New York,
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we continued our
collecting here.
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[Hugh] Yeah, third and
then there were 10.
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(car horn honks)
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It just grew and grew and grew
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and we were never
consciously thinking
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that we're collecting
photographs.
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200 and 500.
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[Neal] And 700.
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[Hugh] When you see the
collection, all you're looking
at
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is two people who are
in love with each other.
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(calm piano music)
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We just kept thinking we
were running across these photos
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and they needed to be rescued.
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We traveled to
Europe every summer
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because we have very close
friends in Budapest and Paris,
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and that put us in
contact with European
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and other types of collectors.
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{\an1}Some in Estonia, Serbia,
Croatia, but also Europe.
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And then Neal's job had
him traveling all over
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the United States for a good 20.
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[Neal] So if I had
a day or two off,
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I hit antique stores
looking for everything,
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but it was always
drawn to the photos.
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(camera shutters)
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[Hugh] We have a
collecting parameter
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that we impose on ourselves
and it's called the 50-50 rule.
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And we can find a
photograph of a couple,
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like in this
instance, these two,
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if you look closely
at the photographs,
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there's a look in their
eyes that this is not a look
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that two friends posing
in a photograph have,
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it's something more.
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(calm piano music)
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{\an1}[Narrator] "John and Gio."
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(calm piano music)
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"Kariel and Gene."
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(calm piano music)
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When we started
collecting, a lot of the photos
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{\an1}are really small and
probably a couple of years into
it,
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Hugh starts scanning photos in.
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And one of the tintypes
that we saw that special look
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in their eyes and they
were holding hands
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and had their legs
crossed, that when we zoomed in,
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followed the shoulder down
to where the other hand went,
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the other guy's hand
was, he slid it into
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the other guy's inner thigh
and it was kind of shocking.
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{\an1}We were really excited
because that was a true
telltale,
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that this was 150%.
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{\an1}[Hugh] And that element in
the photograph explained
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that mischievous looking
the one guy's eyes
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when he's doing this, and this
photograph is probably 1800s
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maybe 1870s or 80s, or
possibly even earlier.
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{\an8}It's a tintype, so
it's done on metal
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{\an8}and these were only done
for about a five-year period
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{\an8}of time.
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The tintype was the
cheapest photograph
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you could actually
have produced,
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because it's positive
onto the metal.
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{\an1}It didn't require a
negative and so in producing
these,
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they would have them
at fairs or at circus,
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{\an1}so this offered up anyone,
the capability of having
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their photograph taken.
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And there wasn't the
history of a negative
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that could be reproduced,
so in several photos we have,
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they would do something
really fast and slight of hand
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to show their affection
for each other
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and then they would take it
away knowing that they had that.
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(bright piano music)
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(camera shutters)
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[Narrator] "Boy oh
boy, what a pucker."
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"Dale and new friend,
1939 San Diego park."
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"First friends, Bobby, 1939."
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[Neal] I think our favorite
photo in the entire collection
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is, we call it
Splendor In The Grass.
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It's a gorgeous photo, of two
guys laying out in the field
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and it looks like
they're on a picnic,
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there's a loaf of bread there
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and it's kind of
Bruce Weber like,
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so it could be in today's time.
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But this photo actually
was taken probably around 1910.
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And it's just the
colorization, the sepia tones,
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it's a work of art,
it's just gorgeous.
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[Hugh] And their expression
in their eyes, it is amazing.
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[Neal] There was a
professor from Vienna.
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I know who's in the
photograph, it's Rupert Brook,
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who's a famous poet from
the UK and Duncan Grant,
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who is a famous artist.
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{\an1}Hugh and I both on our
own Googled and looked up
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all these photographs of
these two, and if it's not them,
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it's their twin.
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(calm piano music)
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{\an1}The picture in the
collection that stands out most
to me
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is the, not married,
but willing to be.
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{\an1}This was taken
around 1900.
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A young man who would
put on his best suit
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and shave and comb
his hair and go in
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and have his photograph taken.
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One of the posters would be
to hold this sign up saying,
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"Not married, but
willing to be."
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Meaning he himself is not
married, but ladies I'm
available.
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And so that sign is in
this photographer studio
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and these young men held up
the sign and turned the meaning
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on its head, they
turned it into,
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we're not married to each
other, but we're willing to be.
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{\an1}And they looked to be in
their teens, I think, yeah.
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[Neal] Yeah, probably.
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{\an1}[Hugh] They're very young.
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{\an1}[Neal] The photograph of
them holding the umbrella
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where they're gazing
into each other's eyes
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and they're holding the
stem, and if you look up close
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{\an1}to how their fingers are
placed, they're interlocked
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on the stem of the umbrella.
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But again, you can see
that look in their eyes.
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Marriage equality is a
conversation everywhere
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{\an1}and has been for maybe 20
years, but 120 years ago,
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{\an1}that wasn't even a
thought, at least we didn't
think
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{\an1}it was a thought, but
these guys thought of it.
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{\an1}The photo booth portion of
our collection is unique
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in that, a couple could
serve as the subjects
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and the photographer
and the developer.
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And so you didn't
have to worry about
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any third party
intervention or contact.
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And if a developer or a
photographer who may not be
friendly
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or sympathetic to your
situation, these photographs
tend
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{\an1}to be even more diffusive,
joyful, expressive,
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in that you're sitting in this
booth, the curtain is closed,
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nobody's watching
you doing anything.
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The intensity and the
expressions are just,
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they're more powerful
in some cases
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than many of the other
photographs on our collection.
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'Cause it's so private.
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They're there, on
their own, free to be
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as expressive as want.
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{\an1}(bright
instrumental music)
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[Narrator] "George
Thompson and the Buddy, 1940.
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Here's one of both of us
before we were well, you know."
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There's a group of
photographs that,
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it is not completely obvious
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when you look at it
superficially, that this is a
couple,
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but these couples
left tell tale signs,
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that they were a couple.
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(camera shutters)
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(calm piano music)
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To one in particular
that I'm thinking of,
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it's two men, they're Germans
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{\an1}and they're wearing
bathing suits and they're
posing,
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{\an1}arm around each other, but
it looks like a buddy pose,
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but if you follow the
photograph down lower,
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{\an1}what you see is that they
have very discreetly,
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touched their thighs together.
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You go a little bit lower and
one of them has moved his foot
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over on top of the
other man's foot.
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So these very discreet
little hints that,
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{\an1}we might look like
buddies from the waist up,
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{\an1}but look from the waist
down and there's some signs
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that we're a couple and
that we love each other.
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{\an1}[Neil] There's one where
another guy's reaching over
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and he's touching the guy's
chin and it's making them smile,
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but again, when you follow
the body down and the leg down,
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he's tapping the
other guy's foot.
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So it's just this
little gesture of love.
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And we see that a lot.
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(calm piano music)
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{\an1}I think the most romantic
photo in the book
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{\an1}is one of two guys in bed
and when you first see it,
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you just see two guys
that are laying there,
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they have on their
pajamas, probably around 1915,
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and they're holding a
book and it's called,
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"Adventure Magazine."
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But when you really take a look
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and you start really
focusing on the photo,
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{\an1}their legs are intertwined
into each other's
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{\an1}and it's that moment that,
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{\an1}it looks like a beautiful
Sunday afternoon
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{\an1}and they're sharing the
sunshine coming in from the
window
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{\an1}and it's white sheets and
it was just really crisp,
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but it's the expression
that you believe you see
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{\an1}that just makes you know
that they love each other
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and they're there
and they're enjoying
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the Sunday morning together.
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(calm piano music)
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[Narrator] "Me
and Harvey, 1929."
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(calm piano music)
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{\an1}"Bill Presant
and Jack Law.
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{\an1}In front of Quebec Museum,
Quebec, P2, May, 1944."
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(calm piano music)
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"Miracle corn.
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Charles, Charles,
two lovely birdies."
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(calm piano music)
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{\an1}"A passing fancy, just to
dodge, but, oh, the rides.
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Summer 1919."
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(calm piano music)
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"May 31st, 1931, Sal and Cliff.
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Taken at Hook mountain."
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"Bud and Brandy, 1937."
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(calm piano music)
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"This is one of Elsie's
brothers and myself.
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Rather poor, but Tony loved me.
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(calm piano music)
242
00:20:00,126 --> 00:20:05,435
We had our happy days, but
those days are gone forever.
243
00:20:05,459 --> 00:20:08,310
{\an1}Now I'm alone
to go my way.
244
00:20:08,334 --> 00:20:13,394
Now, his old guitar is
silent, the one he used to play,
245
00:20:13,418 --> 00:20:16,810
but it will ring
in my mind forever
246
00:20:16,834 --> 00:20:20,376
as it did in the good old days."
247
00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:29,435
[Neal] One of the
photographs in our collection
248
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has a mysterious quality to
it, that is really intriguing.
249
00:20:34,334 --> 00:20:36,435
It's two men, they
look to be very young
250
00:20:36,459 --> 00:20:38,601
and they are actually
in bed together
251
00:20:38,625 --> 00:20:40,601
and they're laying
on their sides.
252
00:20:40,625 --> 00:20:42,185
They're both looking
into the camera,
253
00:20:42,209 --> 00:20:48,435
but one has a very
mischievous look on his face
254
00:20:48,459 --> 00:20:51,500
{\an1}and they wrote at the
bottom of the photograph.
255
00:20:51,709 --> 00:20:54,601
[Narrator] "After the ball."
256
00:20:54,625 --> 00:20:59,268
{\an1}It's joyous, but it has a
mysterious quality to it
257
00:20:59,292 --> 00:21:00,601
{\an1}because of what
they wrote.
258
00:21:00,625 --> 00:21:01,976
You wonder where they
were that evening
259
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,143
{\an1}and how they ended up
there, I think we know the
answer
260
00:21:04,167 --> 00:21:08,394
to that though, and that they
chose that particular moment
261
00:21:08,418 --> 00:21:11,601
in their relationship to
the photograph and memorialized
262
00:21:11,625 --> 00:21:14,435
for whatever future
it would have.
263
00:21:14,459 --> 00:21:17,227
{\an1}Romantically, the
photograph that intrigues me the
most
264
00:21:17,251 --> 00:21:19,476
is the one of the two
soldiers laying on a cot
265
00:21:19,500 --> 00:21:22,518
and they're embracing
and you can just barely
266
00:21:22,542 --> 00:21:25,185
make out outline
of one guy's cheek,
267
00:21:25,209 --> 00:21:29,251
a little bit mysterious,
but very romantic.
268
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:33,459
(calm piano music)
269
00:21:33,834 --> 00:21:35,102
It's almost like a candle shot.
270
00:21:35,126 --> 00:21:37,435
{\an1}I mean, it's gorgeousness,
sepia tones in it,
271
00:21:37,459 --> 00:21:41,435
{\an1}so it makes you feel like
you're kind of stepping
272
00:21:41,459 --> 00:21:43,435
{\an1}into an intimate setting.
273
00:21:43,459 --> 00:21:46,435
Yeah, feels like we
shouldn't be looking at this.
274
00:21:46,459 --> 00:21:47,352
(laughing)
275
00:21:47,376 --> 00:21:48,394
(calm piano music)
276
00:21:48,418 --> 00:21:50,352
(camera shutters)
277
00:21:50,376 --> 00:21:52,268
[Narrator] "Love you.
278
00:21:52,292 --> 00:21:55,750
(calm piano music)
279
00:21:56,459 --> 00:22:01,625
Taken in Hollywood,
his name is Sandy.
280
00:22:02,209 --> 00:22:03,459
Love me?"
281
00:22:04,418 --> 00:22:06,435
(calm piano music)
282
00:22:06,459 --> 00:22:10,518
"Dutie and I on one of
my little trips home.
283
00:22:10,542 --> 00:22:12,935
Oh, what a time we had."
284
00:22:12,959 --> 00:22:16,459
(calm piano music)
285
00:22:21,334 --> 00:22:22,810
There's a couple of
the postcard photos
286
00:22:22,834 --> 00:22:27,726
{\an1}that we have that I think
people tend to mimic movies
287
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:30,018
{\an1}because they see something
that's fun or playful
288
00:22:30,042 --> 00:22:33,518
and in those too, that we
have where there's one person
289
00:22:33,542 --> 00:22:37,060
{\an1}in the photo that's like
putting his finger up to his
mouth
290
00:22:37,084 --> 00:22:40,518
and going, I like
you, kind of a sweet.
291
00:22:40,542 --> 00:22:43,018
[Hugh] That was a gesture
that was like around the turn
292
00:22:43,042 --> 00:22:45,726
{\an1}of the century and I think
lasted into silent films.
293
00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:48,917
It's cute, and
some great photos.
294
00:22:50,042 --> 00:22:53,435
I think one of the photos
that is most mysterious to me,
295
00:22:53,459 --> 00:22:56,435
{\an1}there's these two guys
that are up on this column
296
00:22:56,459 --> 00:22:59,310
and they are like
in a dancing pose.
297
00:22:59,334 --> 00:23:02,435
The column has to be
probably 20 foot off the ground.
298
00:23:02,459 --> 00:23:06,143
{\an1}And so you're wondering,
I mean, they look so calm
299
00:23:06,167 --> 00:23:09,435
and just so relaxed,
big smiles on their face
300
00:23:09,459 --> 00:23:12,394
and there is nothing
around that says,
301
00:23:12,418 --> 00:23:15,810
{\an1}we got up here this way,
or how did they get down?
302
00:23:15,834 --> 00:23:18,435
{\an1}It's just an amazing shot.
303
00:23:18,459 --> 00:23:22,000
(calm piano music)
304
00:23:32,917 --> 00:23:36,768
[Narrator] "The two
sad sacks from Texas.
305
00:23:36,792 --> 00:23:40,750
Up on the Alps at
Kitzbuhel, Austria 45."
306
00:23:45,084 --> 00:23:45,810
[Neal] John and Dariel,
307
00:23:45,834 --> 00:23:48,768
one of the most touching
photographs in the collection.
308
00:23:48,792 --> 00:23:51,352
These are two soldiers from
World War II, American soldiers,
309
00:23:51,376 --> 00:23:53,810
and they were stationed
in Germany originally.
310
00:23:53,834 --> 00:23:56,435
And you can't make this
up, this is so crazy.
311
00:23:56,459 --> 00:23:58,976
They belong to the
42nd infantry division.
312
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,768
Their nickname was
the rainbow division.
313
00:24:01,792 --> 00:24:05,459
(calm piano music)
314
00:24:06,376 --> 00:24:08,060
[Narrator] "A German
painting a rainbow
315
00:24:08,084 --> 00:24:14,435
on one of our office buildings
at Palling, Germany, May 45."
316
00:24:14,459 --> 00:24:15,476
(calm piano music)
317
00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:18,768
{\an1}[Hugh] In 1945, they were
just getting across Germany
318
00:24:18,792 --> 00:24:20,851
and they came to
the town of Dachau.
319
00:24:20,875 --> 00:24:23,476
{\an1}And as they were about to
enter the town of Dachau,
320
00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:24,685
they were intercepted,
they were told,
321
00:24:24,709 --> 00:24:28,018
{\an1}"Don't go into the town,
follow this road into the
forest."
322
00:24:28,042 --> 00:24:29,352
It was the concentration
camp there,
323
00:24:29,376 --> 00:24:32,435
{\an1}and so they liberated
Dachau concentration camp
324
00:24:32,459 --> 00:24:34,435
on April 29th, 1945.
325
00:24:34,459 --> 00:24:37,018
{\an1}Seven or eight days
later, Germany surrendered
326
00:24:37,042 --> 00:24:39,459
and the war in Europe was over.
327
00:24:41,084 --> 00:24:43,476
[Narrator] "Penny for
your thoughts Burns.
328
00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:47,459
Oh, wouldn't you like
to know Johnny boy?"
329
00:24:49,459 --> 00:24:52,310
And a couple of days or
weeks, we don't know exactly,
330
00:24:52,334 --> 00:24:55,768
but it's May, 1945, they
hiked up into the Alps
331
00:24:55,792 --> 00:24:58,435
and put on the rings
that they had exchanged
332
00:24:58,459 --> 00:25:00,601
with one another and a
bracelet and a watch,
333
00:25:00,625 --> 00:25:04,102
and they just posed
the most romantic pose,
334
00:25:04,126 --> 00:25:06,709
I think in the book, together.
335
00:25:07,209 --> 00:25:11,435
[Narrator] "Kitzbuhel,
Austria, May, 1945.
336
00:25:11,459 --> 00:25:17,667
PFC Dario Burns, Johnny,
in the snow up on the Alps."
337
00:25:19,376 --> 00:25:21,394
[Hugh] We know
the story of John,
338
00:25:21,418 --> 00:25:22,394
the one soldier in the front.
339
00:25:22,418 --> 00:25:24,352
It's a wonderful story,
it's a beautiful story,
340
00:25:24,376 --> 00:25:27,435
and it had some sort of
a tinge of sadness to it
341
00:25:27,459 --> 00:25:29,435
because John,
after World War II,
342
00:25:29,459 --> 00:25:30,976
he was diagnosed with
muscular dystrophy,
343
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,834
{\an1}confined to a wheelchair
for the rest of his life.
344
00:25:35,459 --> 00:25:37,976
[Narrator] "Burns and
I, swimming at the Nat,
345
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,352
in Salzburg, Austria,
Summer of 45.
346
00:25:42,376 --> 00:25:44,559
Fancy swim trunks eh?"
347
00:25:44,583 --> 00:25:45,394
(chuckles)
348
00:25:45,418 --> 00:25:51,209
"Burns and myself,
Kitzbuhel, Austria, May, 45."
349
00:25:51,459 --> 00:25:54,518
Very beautiful lake
and nice for swimming.
350
00:25:54,542 --> 00:25:57,518
His nephew imparted to
us about 150 photographs
351
00:25:57,542 --> 00:26:01,018
of his uncle and what we
know is from the nephew is that
352
00:26:01,042 --> 00:26:04,227
his uncle, who was
a gay man, closeted,
353
00:26:04,251 --> 00:26:06,435
he would periodically
take out the shoe box
354
00:26:06,459 --> 00:26:09,352
{\an1}that he had hidden in his
house and in the shoe box,
355
00:26:09,376 --> 00:26:11,102
{\an1}were all these photographs
of him and his boyfriend
356
00:26:11,126 --> 00:26:12,935
{\an1}from World War II and he
would just go through them
357
00:26:12,959 --> 00:26:16,851
{\an1}and remember their
relationship and the love
358
00:26:16,875 --> 00:26:17,601
that they shared.
359
00:26:17,625 --> 00:26:20,227
It's hard to fathom what
that would be like for someone.
360
00:26:20,251 --> 00:26:23,559
There are less question
marks regarding John and Dariel
361
00:26:23,583 --> 00:26:27,435
than there are anybody else in
the collection of all 3,200.
362
00:26:27,459 --> 00:26:31,227
We actually know some very
significant parts of their
story,
363
00:26:31,251 --> 00:26:34,376
which is just
absolutely amazing.
364
00:26:34,459 --> 00:26:38,435
And that ring that John is
wearing is worn to this day,
365
00:26:38,459 --> 00:26:40,792
{\an1}by his nephew, every day.
366
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,500
(calm piano music)
367
00:26:47,459 --> 00:26:49,310
(camera shutters)
368
00:26:49,334 --> 00:26:52,143
[Narrator] "My boyfriend
pushing Shirley and I
369
00:26:52,167 --> 00:26:53,935
in the wheelbarrow.
370
00:26:53,959 --> 00:26:55,559
Some picture."
371
00:26:55,583 --> 00:26:59,292
(calm piano music)
372
00:27:00,750 --> 00:27:03,102
"Edward and his chum."
373
00:27:03,126 --> 00:27:06,625
(calm piano music)
374
00:27:07,459 --> 00:27:10,376
"This is my boyfriend and I."
375
00:27:17,042 --> 00:27:22,418
Taken on their last trip
to the moon, June 11th, 1915.
376
00:27:23,418 --> 00:27:26,917
(calm piano music)
377
00:27:36,709 --> 00:27:37,559
(camera shutters)
378
00:27:37,583 --> 00:27:41,018
[Hugh] Two men
laying on the lawn.
379
00:27:41,042 --> 00:27:42,935
It looks like a
manicured lawn actually.
380
00:27:42,959 --> 00:27:45,185
And they're embracing
and it looks like
381
00:27:45,209 --> 00:27:45,935
they've been sunbathing
382
00:27:45,959 --> 00:27:49,726
And so the camera is up
hive from where their perch is
383
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:51,018
and they're looking
up into the camera
384
00:27:51,042 --> 00:27:54,310
and they just have the
most joyful smiling expressions
385
00:27:54,334 --> 00:27:55,435
on their face that
you can imagine.
386
00:27:55,459 --> 00:27:59,518
And the embrace is very
tight, they're almost melting
387
00:27:59,542 --> 00:28:00,435
into one another.
388
00:28:00,459 --> 00:28:02,893
{\an1}And then you see these
beautiful smiles and sparkling
eyes,
389
00:28:02,917 --> 00:28:07,435
and it just makes your
heart sing, when you look at it.
390
00:28:07,459 --> 00:28:10,959
(calm piano music)
391
00:28:59,167 --> 00:29:00,476
(camera shutters)
392
00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:05,167
[Narrator] "This is
my boyfriend, again."
393
00:29:08,834 --> 00:29:11,435
[Neal] One of the photos
that we got pretty early
394
00:29:11,459 --> 00:29:14,643
in the collection, it's two
guys, they're kind of rockabilly
395
00:29:14,667 --> 00:29:18,601
and just the way he's
leaning back into his friend,
396
00:29:18,625 --> 00:29:22,435
his boyfriend, the person he
looks like he's in love with.
397
00:29:22,459 --> 00:29:25,726
{\an1}At first view of the
photo, you don't really notice
it,
398
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:29,310
but they position this car that
they're on in a certain way.
399
00:29:29,334 --> 00:29:33,227
I mean, even the name on the
hubcap is positioned perfectly,
400
00:29:33,251 --> 00:29:35,851
but it just pulls
you into that photo
401
00:29:35,875 --> 00:29:38,768
and it just gives you
a very warm feeling,
402
00:29:38,792 --> 00:29:43,060
because here's two guys out on
a farm and it's just adorable
403
00:29:43,084 --> 00:29:43,685
it's so sweet.
404
00:29:43,709 --> 00:29:46,726
[Hugh] Their eyes
are just electric.
405
00:29:46,750 --> 00:29:48,435
[Neal] And you just
see it in their eyes,
406
00:29:48,459 --> 00:29:50,768
and that's something
we talk about a lot
407
00:29:50,792 --> 00:29:53,435
because that's something
that pulls us to the photos.
408
00:29:53,459 --> 00:29:56,435
{\an1}There's that unmistakable
look that you have
409
00:29:56,459 --> 00:29:57,435
when you're in love.
410
00:29:57,459 --> 00:29:59,851
And to us, when you look
at that and you look
411
00:29:59,875 --> 00:30:03,185
in those two guys,
eyes, it's just there.
412
00:30:03,209 --> 00:30:06,018
[Hugh] The other aspect
of it is that they're
413
00:30:06,042 --> 00:30:06,810
on the hood of a car.
414
00:30:06,834 --> 00:30:09,102
I'm not this way,
Neil's not this way,
415
00:30:09,126 --> 00:30:10,810
we're not all about
cars, but guys are,
416
00:30:10,834 --> 00:30:14,435
generally speaking about cars
and I don't know what that is,
417
00:30:14,459 --> 00:30:15,268
but it's a thing.
418
00:30:15,292 --> 00:30:18,893
{\an1}And so here's this couple,
maybe it's a status symbol
419
00:30:18,917 --> 00:30:21,601
or something, especially
the car was a big deal,
420
00:30:21,625 --> 00:30:24,227
even back then, for
somebody their age.
421
00:30:24,251 --> 00:30:27,893
For them to pose that
way in such a dramatic,
422
00:30:27,917 --> 00:30:31,685
romantic embrace on
the hood of the car,
423
00:30:31,709 --> 00:30:37,185
{\an1}and it's such a big photo
and it's a full image,
424
00:30:37,209 --> 00:30:39,227
head to toe with both of them,
425
00:30:39,251 --> 00:30:41,685
something about
it's really grand.
426
00:30:41,709 --> 00:30:44,959
(playful music)
427
00:31:35,459 --> 00:31:39,435
[Narrator] "Two of a
kind, Red And Frank,
428
00:31:39,459 --> 00:31:41,518
just a remembrance."
429
00:31:41,542 --> 00:31:44,792
(playful music)
430
00:31:46,459 --> 00:31:48,042
"My darling, 1949."
431
00:31:49,459 --> 00:31:52,459
(playful music)
432
00:31:56,459 --> 00:31:58,643
"Love in a car."
433
00:31:58,667 --> 00:32:01,959
(playful music)
434
00:32:08,459 --> 00:32:10,435
I think if we could
slip into a photo
435
00:32:10,459 --> 00:32:12,394
and I'll let you talk
about, because I think
436
00:32:12,418 --> 00:32:17,394
we both have the same one,
so you tell me what you think.
437
00:32:17,418 --> 00:32:19,851
The couple on the
hood of the car?
438
00:32:19,875 --> 00:32:20,518
- Yes.
- Yeah.
439
00:32:20,542 --> 00:32:23,643
{\an1}[Neal] I think it's these
two guys, they're so cute,
440
00:32:23,667 --> 00:32:28,435
they're on the hood of a
car, one's sitting kind of over
441
00:32:28,459 --> 00:32:31,810
{\an1}the tire on one side, the
other one has lounged over
442
00:32:31,834 --> 00:32:33,810
and has his arms
just wrapped around
443
00:32:33,834 --> 00:32:37,435
with the most beautiful
smile and just hugging this guy
444
00:32:37,459 --> 00:32:38,750
from behind.
445
00:32:38,917 --> 00:32:41,435
He's got his head
laid on the guy's back
446
00:32:41,459 --> 00:32:43,810
and they're just, I hate
to overuse the word,
447
00:32:43,834 --> 00:32:45,810
but they're just melting
into one another.
448
00:32:45,834 --> 00:32:47,559
And if I was going to
melt into somebody,
449
00:32:47,583 --> 00:32:49,018
I'd melt into you on that car.
450
00:32:49,042 --> 00:32:51,352
{\an1}I'd melt back
into you too.
451
00:32:51,376 --> 00:32:54,459
(playful music)
452
00:32:59,334 --> 00:33:00,102
(camera shutters)
453
00:33:00,126 --> 00:33:01,394
I think the picture
that draws my attention
454
00:33:01,418 --> 00:33:03,476
{\an1}and moves me the most and
makes me the most curious
455
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:07,435
about the subjects is,
we've nicknamed them,
456
00:33:07,459 --> 00:33:08,435
Clive and Morris.
457
00:33:08,459 --> 00:33:11,060
It's two men from
probably the 1870s,
458
00:33:11,084 --> 00:33:15,394
they're very well-dressed,
they have identical jewelry,
459
00:33:15,418 --> 00:33:18,726
cuff links, and this is
a very old photograph.
460
00:33:18,750 --> 00:33:20,810
So in order to take
this photograph,
461
00:33:20,834 --> 00:33:22,435
I had to sit very
still for a long time.
462
00:33:22,459 --> 00:33:25,893
And it's where one man is
gazing into the other man's eyes
463
00:33:25,917 --> 00:33:27,435
and the other one's
turning his head away,
464
00:33:27,459 --> 00:33:30,310
just a little bit in
shyness, but it's all staged.
465
00:33:30,334 --> 00:33:33,018
It makes you wonder what the
relationship was really like.
466
00:33:33,042 --> 00:33:36,185
The photograph is
beautiful, absolutely stunning.
467
00:33:36,209 --> 00:33:37,851
And they are a couple,
one man is sitting
468
00:33:37,875 --> 00:33:40,352
on the other's lap,
so there's that.
469
00:33:40,376 --> 00:33:43,559
But they did create a mood
with that particular photograph
470
00:33:43,583 --> 00:33:46,893
and I just wonder, when
the camera was off,
471
00:33:46,917 --> 00:33:49,310
what were they like, how
did they talk to each other?
472
00:33:49,334 --> 00:33:53,875
{\an1}And what was the
relationship in fact, truly
like?
473
00:33:54,209 --> 00:33:57,709
(calm piano music)
474
00:34:01,875 --> 00:34:02,601
(camera shutters)
475
00:34:02,625 --> 00:34:07,893
[Narrator] "John,
David, Eddy, 1915."
476
00:34:07,917 --> 00:34:12,435
{\an1}David shared Eddie's
feelings for another kind of
love.
477
00:34:12,459 --> 00:34:16,209
(calm piano music)
478
00:34:20,459 --> 00:34:24,018
Woody and Bob 1922.
479
00:34:24,042 --> 00:34:27,435
"Woody is shy, but he
likes when I hold him.
480
00:34:27,459 --> 00:34:29,875
{\an1}I think he might consent."
481
00:34:34,209 --> 00:34:39,959
"Palsies, more than Bowsie's."
482
00:34:44,917 --> 00:34:46,435
In our collection, we
have several photographs
483
00:34:46,459 --> 00:34:48,435
of one of the couples,
or both of the couples,
484
00:34:48,459 --> 00:34:51,768
{\an1}where they take a
photograph, but they turned the
backs
485
00:34:51,792 --> 00:34:53,601
of their heads
towards the camera.
486
00:34:53,625 --> 00:34:54,643
They know they're in the shot,
487
00:34:54,667 --> 00:34:56,227
they know that
there are a couple,
488
00:34:56,251 --> 00:35:00,143
but they didn't want
to risk the possibility
489
00:35:00,167 --> 00:35:01,935
that someone might come
across the photograph
490
00:35:01,959 --> 00:35:05,292
and they would be
somehow punished for it.
491
00:35:06,167 --> 00:35:08,559
Couple, standing on a
railroad track with the train
492
00:35:08,583 --> 00:35:10,851
{\an1}in the background, and
the conductor is standing
493
00:35:10,875 --> 00:35:12,685
{\an1}at the back of the train,
pointing at something,
494
00:35:12,709 --> 00:35:16,851
we're not sure what, and
they're embracing full frontal,
495
00:35:16,875 --> 00:35:22,018
very tightly with each other
and it's a very strong embrace,
496
00:35:22,042 --> 00:35:25,935
but one of the men said,
appears that he said,
497
00:35:25,959 --> 00:35:28,601
"I'll be in this photograph,
but I need to turn my head away
498
00:35:28,625 --> 00:35:31,227
from the camera, so that
only the back of my head
499
00:35:31,251 --> 00:35:31,810
is showing."
500
00:35:31,834 --> 00:35:33,268
The other man is looking
right into the camera
501
00:35:33,292 --> 00:35:35,268
and he's just absolutely
loving the moment.
502
00:35:35,292 --> 00:35:36,810
I think they're probably
both loving the moment,
503
00:35:36,834 --> 00:35:40,476
one had higher level of
comfort than the other one did.
504
00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:44,126
(camera shutters)
505
00:35:49,084 --> 00:35:51,018
Picture that makes
me laugh out loud,
506
00:35:51,042 --> 00:35:52,435
the two sailors are
out in the park.
507
00:35:52,459 --> 00:35:55,435
I mean, they're laying
there, they're kinda wrestling
508
00:35:55,459 --> 00:35:58,352
{\an1}a little bit, but they're
in a loving embrace
509
00:35:58,376 --> 00:36:00,394
and they have these big
smiles on their face.
510
00:36:00,418 --> 00:36:02,310
{\an1}And it's something to
like written on the back.
511
00:36:02,334 --> 00:36:05,518
[Narrator] "Ice cream
is good on a hot day.
512
00:36:05,542 --> 00:36:08,500
Smith and Wade still in love?"
513
00:36:08,625 --> 00:36:11,893
[Neal] But it's just
adorable and they're not afraid
514
00:36:11,917 --> 00:36:16,435
to express themselves and
everyone's kind of looking
around
515
00:36:16,459 --> 00:36:18,976
at them like, "Hey,
that's who they are."
516
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,750
But it just makes you happy.
517
00:36:24,917 --> 00:36:27,518
[Narrator] "Joe and I
talking over some things
518
00:36:27,542 --> 00:36:31,334
which we do quite
often at noon."
519
00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:35,251
(calm piano music)
520
00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:04,726
"Harry and Ernie."
521
00:37:04,750 --> 00:37:08,459
(calm piano music)
522
00:37:12,667 --> 00:37:17,435
"Lars, Pitt, 1943."
523
00:37:17,459 --> 00:37:21,167
(calm piano music)
524
00:37:21,334 --> 00:37:27,500
"Harley P Humphrey, and I.T
Huff, on the lock in Bremerton,
525
00:37:27,834 --> 00:37:33,000
Washington, with all
my love, Harley."
526
00:37:33,292 --> 00:37:36,750
(calm piano music)
527
00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:40,394
We have a photograph
in the collection,
528
00:37:40,418 --> 00:37:43,559
which was astonishing
to come across.
529
00:37:43,583 --> 00:37:47,268
{\an1}It's two men, and we
didn't understand exactly
530
00:37:47,292 --> 00:37:48,893
what we were
looking at at first,
531
00:37:48,917 --> 00:37:50,435
and what we realized
looking closer,
532
00:37:50,459 --> 00:37:53,310
{\an1}is that they have a camera
sitting, it looks like
533
00:37:53,334 --> 00:37:56,102
on a dresser and it's
pointed into the mirror,
534
00:37:56,126 --> 00:37:57,601
they're standing
behind the camera,
535
00:37:57,625 --> 00:38:00,559
{\an1}and we did a little bit of
research after we noticed
536
00:38:00,583 --> 00:38:02,518
that one guy was holding
something in his hand.
537
00:38:02,542 --> 00:38:08,917
And as early as 1902, you
could take your own photograph,
538
00:38:09,459 --> 00:38:10,018
a selfie.
539
00:38:10,042 --> 00:38:13,102
So what they're using is called
the Ferry's shutter tripper.
540
00:38:13,126 --> 00:38:16,018
It's a rubber hose that
connects to the camera
541
00:38:16,042 --> 00:38:18,935
{\an1}at the end of the hose on
your end is a rubber ball,
542
00:38:18,959 --> 00:38:21,976
{\an1}and when you squeeze the
ball, it pushes air through
543
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,018
the hose and causes the
camera shutter to trip.
544
00:38:26,042 --> 00:38:32,060
And so these men
took, we're gonna say,
545
00:38:32,084 --> 00:38:35,435
the first documented
selfie of a romantic male couple
546
00:38:35,459 --> 00:38:36,476
and wrote below it.
547
00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:38,792
{\an1}[Narrator] "In
the mirror."
548
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,500
(calm piano music)
549
00:38:49,418 --> 00:38:52,726
{\an1}[Neal] There's one photo
that we had and we call it
550
00:38:52,750 --> 00:38:55,685
the first gay wedding,
because they're actually
551
00:38:55,709 --> 00:38:56,435
giving each other rings.
552
00:38:56,459 --> 00:38:57,726
And so the one guy
has his hand up,
553
00:38:57,750 --> 00:39:01,060
he's sliding the ring on, they
have an umbrella behind them,
554
00:39:01,084 --> 00:39:03,352
and then there's the
minister in the photo,
555
00:39:03,376 --> 00:39:05,352
but they're exchanging
jewelry there.
556
00:39:05,376 --> 00:39:08,310
{\an1}And when we've zoomed
into a lot of the photos,
557
00:39:08,334 --> 00:39:09,935
when we scan them
in, we found that
558
00:39:09,959 --> 00:39:16,394
there's matching pinky rings
or that they may have jewelry
559
00:39:16,418 --> 00:39:18,435
like matching bracelets
that that are shared.
560
00:39:18,459 --> 00:39:21,559
{\an1}We didn't even realize the
umbrella in it at first,
561
00:39:21,583 --> 00:39:23,310
then we found another
one with an umbrella,
562
00:39:23,334 --> 00:39:27,435
it's probably three or four
into it that we actually thought
563
00:39:27,459 --> 00:39:30,935
there's some kind of
theme going on here.
564
00:39:30,959 --> 00:39:34,459
(calm piano music)
565
00:39:38,583 --> 00:39:40,685
{\an1}[Hugh] Then we can't find
any scholarship on this,
566
00:39:40,709 --> 00:39:43,018
{\an1}so this is just us talking
about our collection
567
00:39:43,042 --> 00:39:46,643
{\an1}of what's crystal clear to
us is that, two men between
568
00:39:46,667 --> 00:39:51,268
{\an1}the 1860s and the 1920s
posing together with an
umbrella,
569
00:39:51,292 --> 00:39:53,394
was an indication that
they were a couple
570
00:39:53,418 --> 00:39:56,726
and you could take the umbrella
away and you could still see
571
00:39:56,750 --> 00:39:57,643
{\an1}that there were a couple,
572
00:39:57,667 --> 00:39:59,310
{\an1}but the umbrella was sort
of an added, I don't know,
573
00:39:59,334 --> 00:40:02,018
{\an1}it's like the rainbow flag
or something at the time.
574
00:40:02,042 --> 00:40:03,476
[Neal] It looks like
protection or security
575
00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:05,018
and keeping them close together,
576
00:40:05,042 --> 00:40:07,726
because you have to get
closer to be under an umbrella.
577
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:09,726
{\an1}And there's the one photo
of the two guys sitting
578
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:12,476
on the beach with the
three girls behind them,
579
00:40:12,500 --> 00:40:14,435
so they're holding the umbrella
580
00:40:14,459 --> 00:40:15,435
and it's holding
them close together
581
00:40:15,459 --> 00:40:17,102
and then there's the
three ladies that are
582
00:40:17,126 --> 00:40:19,310
their security
guards behind them.
583
00:40:19,334 --> 00:40:20,435
And what our collection
revealed to us,
584
00:40:20,459 --> 00:40:23,476
which was very unexpected
is that between like the 1890s
585
00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:28,685
and the late 1920s, there was
a much more open and accepting
586
00:40:28,709 --> 00:40:31,102
and embracing community.
587
00:40:31,126 --> 00:40:33,893
A lot of these couples had
friends and family and siblings
588
00:40:33,917 --> 00:40:36,435
and so forth in the
photographs with them
589
00:40:36,459 --> 00:40:38,768
and their expressions
of love for one another
590
00:40:38,792 --> 00:40:43,143
were way more effusive than
any time before or after that.
591
00:40:43,167 --> 00:40:43,976
(calm piano music)
592
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,435
[Narrator] "Here are your
uncle Bill with his friend, Jim.
593
00:40:47,459 --> 00:40:49,352
They met when they
were in the Navy.
594
00:40:49,376 --> 00:40:54,435
After the Navy, they moved
to San Francisco around 1938
595
00:40:54,459 --> 00:40:58,227
and lived together
until uncle Bill died.
596
00:40:58,251 --> 00:41:01,102
Your father said they
were queer as a duck.
597
00:41:01,126 --> 00:41:05,893
{\an1}Uncle Bill had a couple of
horses he rode in parades."
598
00:41:05,917 --> 00:41:09,459
(calm piano music)
599
00:41:19,084 --> 00:41:23,792
"Klinger and I, in our
home, April 15th, 1955."
600
00:41:25,042 --> 00:41:28,209
(bouncy music)
601
00:41:29,834 --> 00:41:33,227
{\an1}"My beloved
darling, Andre.
602
00:41:33,251 --> 00:41:37,435
A little darling,
sweeter than he looks."
603
00:41:37,459 --> 00:41:40,583
(bouncy music)
604
00:41:43,459 --> 00:41:45,667
Davis and JC.
605
00:41:48,334 --> 00:41:50,268
[Hugh] Our collection
has over 3000.
606
00:41:50,292 --> 00:41:52,060
And over the last 20
years, we have collected
607
00:41:52,084 --> 00:41:55,185
{\an1}every single photograph of
an African-American couple
608
00:41:55,209 --> 00:41:58,559
or a biracial couple and
that number is about 30.
609
00:41:58,583 --> 00:41:59,893
African-Americans
in this country
610
00:41:59,917 --> 00:42:02,601
{\an1}had been disenfranchised
historically and includes
611
00:42:02,625 --> 00:42:05,435
every facet of life
in the United States.
612
00:42:05,459 --> 00:42:07,893
And it goes on to
this day, still.
613
00:42:07,917 --> 00:42:11,102
Photography was as
unavailable to them
614
00:42:11,126 --> 00:42:11,851
as everything else was.
615
00:42:11,875 --> 00:42:15,394
{\an1}[Neal] So, this is one of
African-American couples
616
00:42:15,418 --> 00:42:15,976
that we have.
617
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,435
We're guessing it's New York,
we wanna think it's New York.
618
00:42:18,459 --> 00:42:19,435
And the two guys on the roof,
619
00:42:19,459 --> 00:42:21,435
but just in the cute
little rocking chair
620
00:42:21,459 --> 00:42:25,394
and a little playful but
sitting in each other's lap.
621
00:42:25,418 --> 00:42:28,459
(bouncy music)
622
00:43:44,459 --> 00:43:47,559
[Neal] It was amazing to
us that male couples who were
623
00:43:47,583 --> 00:43:50,685
in love with each other, would
have their photograph taken.
624
00:43:50,709 --> 00:43:55,518
That's a risk, that's the
first tier of our collection
625
00:43:55,542 --> 00:43:57,643
and that's the majority
of the collection.
626
00:43:57,667 --> 00:44:01,102
And that's pretty
rare in and of itself.
627
00:44:01,126 --> 00:44:02,394
That's amazing.
628
00:44:02,418 --> 00:44:05,917
(calm piano music)
629
00:45:01,667 --> 00:45:03,435
And then there's a
higher level of intimacy
630
00:45:03,459 --> 00:45:05,768
when you're on the beach
wearing a bathing suit,
631
00:45:05,792 --> 00:45:06,893
because your skin is exposed
632
00:45:06,917 --> 00:45:09,726
{\an1}and if you touch your skin
to the person next to you,
633
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:13,601
that is an indication that
there is a relationship there.
634
00:45:13,625 --> 00:45:16,227
{\an1}There are many
photographs where in fact,
635
00:45:16,251 --> 00:45:19,476
one in particular I'm
thinking of, is a couple
636
00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:20,435
{\an1}that is laying on a dock.
637
00:45:20,459 --> 00:45:24,435
I think it's at a lake and
they're embracing in a manner,
638
00:45:24,459 --> 00:45:25,976
they're wearing bathing
suits of course.
639
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,768
They're embracing in a
manner that could very well have
640
00:45:28,792 --> 00:45:32,893
taken place in a bad and
embracing in a very intimate,
641
00:45:32,917 --> 00:45:36,435
beautiful way and
expressing through their eyes,
642
00:45:36,459 --> 00:45:38,500
{\an1}their love for
one another.
643
00:45:38,709 --> 00:45:44,000
[Narrator] "Marty and
Blakey, June 2nd, 1935,
644
00:45:45,209 --> 00:45:46,476
Lake Michigan."
645
00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:47,518
(calm piano music)
646
00:45:47,542 --> 00:45:50,060
[Neal] And then there's
that second photo on the beach,
647
00:45:50,084 --> 00:45:52,893
that the two guys under
the blanket, it says reserve
648
00:45:52,917 --> 00:45:55,893
{\an1}on the blanket, but I
mean, they're very close,
649
00:45:55,917 --> 00:45:58,268
{\an1}so it's like they are
under the sheets of a bed
650
00:45:58,292 --> 00:46:02,376
{\an1}in a playful way, that
it's just cute as can be.
651
00:46:02,583 --> 00:46:05,394
{\an1}[Hugh] One of the photos
that amuses me the most is,
652
00:46:05,418 --> 00:46:08,435
{\an1}they're two sailors, it
appears to be around World War
II,
653
00:46:08,459 --> 00:46:11,559
possibly a little bit earlier
and they're on the ship's deck
654
00:46:11,583 --> 00:46:14,851
and they're wearing
very small bathing suits
655
00:46:14,875 --> 00:46:16,435
{\an1}and they're posed
together, one arm is around
656
00:46:16,459 --> 00:46:20,435
the other guy's arm and
one of the subjects is sitting.
657
00:46:20,459 --> 00:46:24,227
One of the men is sitting on
a stool next to his boyfriend
658
00:46:24,251 --> 00:46:27,435
and they have this very
mischievous look in their eyes
659
00:46:27,459 --> 00:46:31,060
and the boyfriend sitting on
the stool has his hand reached
660
00:46:31,084 --> 00:46:34,726
over and on his
boyfriend's thigh.
661
00:46:34,750 --> 00:46:38,459
(calm piano music)
662
00:48:47,459 --> 00:48:49,476
[Narrator] "A couple of GI's."
663
00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:53,209
(calm piano music)
664
00:48:57,084 --> 00:48:59,601
"Braun and Leo M."
665
00:48:59,625 --> 00:49:03,334
(calm piano music)
666
00:49:05,959 --> 00:49:07,268
[Neal] And then the
next tier you get to
667
00:49:07,292 --> 00:49:12,476
{\an1}is couples fully
clothed, in bed together.
668
00:49:12,500 --> 00:49:16,251
(calm piano music)
669
00:49:49,875 --> 00:49:54,476
{\an1}[Narrator] "Note my
haircut, it looks like in the
slums.
670
00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:57,435
See how sad I look?
671
00:49:57,459 --> 00:49:58,435
Haha."
672
00:49:58,459 --> 00:50:02,042
(calm piano music)
673
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,768
[Hugh] And then of
course, the highest tier
674
00:50:09,792 --> 00:50:13,268
{\an1}is to kiss one another and
have that photograph taken,
675
00:50:13,292 --> 00:50:17,227
that erases any
plausible ambiguity
676
00:50:17,251 --> 00:50:18,435
about what the
photograph is about.
677
00:50:18,459 --> 00:50:21,685
[Neal] The first photo of the
kiss was probably the fourth
678
00:50:21,709 --> 00:50:24,435
or fifth photograph
that we found.
679
00:50:24,459 --> 00:50:27,435
And it was two guys
in front of a house.
680
00:50:27,459 --> 00:50:33,268
{\an1}[Hugh] Very middle-class
suburbia, 1920s, probably.
681
00:50:33,292 --> 00:50:35,435
{\an1}That's a really passionate
kiss out in the open,
682
00:50:35,459 --> 00:50:36,685
in front of the
neighbors and everybody.
683
00:50:36,709 --> 00:50:39,435
[Neal] It's something
about that photograph
684
00:50:39,459 --> 00:50:42,726
that there they're
expressing their love
685
00:50:42,750 --> 00:50:45,394
and didn't look like
there was any hesitation
686
00:50:45,418 --> 00:50:48,435
{\an1}for them to do so, that
they were definitely proud
687
00:50:48,459 --> 00:50:51,435
of who they were
and it wasn't like,
688
00:50:51,459 --> 00:50:53,435
{\an1}well, let's kiss really
quick in this photograph.
689
00:50:53,459 --> 00:50:56,352
It wasn't something that looked
like there was a hesitation.
690
00:50:56,376 --> 00:50:58,435
Rocky Nook, Labor day, 1910.
691
00:50:58,459 --> 00:51:02,268
Rocky Nook is right outside
of Santa Barbara, it's a park.
692
00:51:02,292 --> 00:51:05,435
Here's two guys up on a
rock for all the world to see,
693
00:51:05,459 --> 00:51:10,435
the ocean behind them and a
beautiful embrace and kissing.
694
00:51:10,459 --> 00:51:13,851
[Hugh] The highest tier,
the kissing photographs
695
00:51:13,875 --> 00:51:17,435
and not just kissing, but
as Neil said, we wanna be up
696
00:51:17,459 --> 00:51:21,018
{\an1}on the top of the rock,
higher than anything else,
697
00:51:21,042 --> 00:51:24,559
closer to the sky and
have our picture taken.
698
00:51:24,583 --> 00:51:26,643
[Neal] And then this one
just showing that they were out
699
00:51:26,667 --> 00:51:28,435
to their friends, I
guess you could say,
700
00:51:28,459 --> 00:51:30,060
{\an1}because they have the
three ladies behind them.
701
00:51:30,084 --> 00:51:33,268
{\an1}And obviously they cared
deeply for these two guys,
702
00:51:33,292 --> 00:51:34,768
because they're, showing
that their support
703
00:51:34,792 --> 00:51:38,435
and just kind of securing
them while they do their kiss.
704
00:51:38,459 --> 00:51:42,042
(calm piano music)
705
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,435
[Narrator] "Lee
and Hank, Easter."
706
00:52:33,459 --> 00:52:37,000
(calm piano music)
707
00:52:42,459 --> 00:52:43,875
"My sweetheart."
708
00:52:44,459 --> 00:52:48,209
(calm piano music)
709
00:52:52,418 --> 00:52:53,726
(calm piano music)
710
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:58,435
{\an1}[Hugh] To take these
photographs and to choose that
moment
711
00:52:58,459 --> 00:53:00,559
to be with someone
that you love,
712
00:53:00,583 --> 00:53:06,435
that people don't approve of
during that time, it's amazing.
713
00:53:06,459 --> 00:53:10,435
For these photographs to
have survived beyond their lives
714
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for decades and end up in
our collection is just kind of,
715
00:53:15,459 --> 00:53:17,227
some kind of a miracle I think.
716
00:53:17,251 --> 00:53:19,435
[Neal] We keep them in a
nice little safe in the corner,
717
00:53:19,459 --> 00:53:21,435
to make sure that
nothing happens to them,
718
00:53:21,459 --> 00:53:23,476
because it's something
that's lasted that long,
719
00:53:23,500 --> 00:53:28,251
we wanna make sure it
can last 170 years.
720
00:53:30,209 --> 00:53:31,768
[Hugh] What this collection is,
721
00:53:31,792 --> 00:53:34,394
is a love letter to the world.
722
00:53:34,418 --> 00:53:37,875
(calm piano music)
723
00:53:39,459 --> 00:53:42,834
(camera shutters)
724
00:53:43,459 --> 00:53:46,810
[Narrator] "I send you a
photo that probably will raise
725
00:53:46,834 --> 00:53:50,750
the curtain of a little
part of my life."
726
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:57,750
(uplifting piano music)
727
00:55:29,459 --> 00:55:31,851
[Hugh] Anyone looking
at these photographs,
728
00:55:31,875 --> 00:55:34,685
gets a strong sense that
these people mattered
729
00:55:34,709 --> 00:55:37,768
{\an1}to each other, they loved
one another very much.
730
00:55:37,792 --> 00:55:43,102
[Neal] My hope is that people
understand that love is love
731
00:55:43,126 --> 00:55:43,685
no matter what.
732
00:55:43,709 --> 00:55:45,726
{\an1}[Hugh] I think if this
collection says anything,
733
00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:49,227
it says, this is
absolutely real, it's even real,
734
00:55:49,251 --> 00:55:51,893
under really difficult
circumstances.
735
00:55:51,917 --> 00:55:57,834
And in the end,
it's just universal.
736
00:56:06,042 --> 00:56:09,750
(bright piano music)
737
00:56:12,376 --> 00:56:18,667
♪ Rainy day, go away, come
back when I'm old and gray ♪
738
00:56:19,959 --> 00:56:23,310
♪ Love arrives up with tide, ♪
739
00:56:23,334 --> 00:56:26,685
♪ Jump right in
and take the ride ♪
740
00:56:26,709 --> 00:56:30,476
♪ The sun will shine,
it's just in time ♪
741
00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:33,726
♪ Get that bubba spinach fine ♪
742
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:37,559
♪ Let's go and play,
we'll sail away ♪
743
00:56:37,583 --> 00:56:41,185
♪ Wonderful, wonderful life ♪
744
00:56:41,209 --> 00:56:45,018
♪ So free and easy ♪
745
00:56:45,042 --> 00:56:48,310
♪ Wet and breezy ♪
746
00:56:48,334 --> 00:56:51,768
♪ All that you have got to do ♪
747
00:56:51,792 --> 00:56:54,685
{\an1}♪ Is love me for a while ♪
748
00:56:54,709 --> 00:56:58,851
♪ So step right
up fill your cup ♪
749
00:56:58,875 --> 00:57:02,227
♪ Make sure that
you got enough ♪
750
00:57:02,251 --> 00:57:06,227
♪ Forget the blues,
I'll sing them news ♪
751
00:57:06,251 --> 00:57:09,518
♪ Darling I'm in love with you ♪
752
00:57:09,542 --> 00:57:14,251
{\an1}(bouncy
instrumental music)
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