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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,542 --> 00:00:06,167 (camera flashing) 2 00:00:16,459 --> 00:00:17,935 (slow piano music) 3 00:00:17,959 --> 00:00:20,685 [Neal] We call this the accidental collection because, 4 00:00:20,709 --> 00:00:22,352 never in a million years did we think 5 00:00:22,376 --> 00:00:25,167 we were really collecting anything. 6 00:00:25,459 --> 00:00:28,227 Neal and I attended the church here in Dallas 7 00:00:28,251 --> 00:00:29,435 {\an1}for 18 years, and there's 8 00:00:29,459 --> 00:00:32,143 {\an8}a small antique mall near the church. 9 00:00:32,167 --> 00:00:35,476 And so after church was over, we would just sometimes stop 10 00:00:35,500 --> 00:00:37,435 off there and browse. 11 00:00:37,459 --> 00:00:39,435 We were there one Sunday, we were there. 12 00:00:39,459 --> 00:00:40,726 We were just going through there 13 00:00:40,750 --> 00:00:42,435 and have these little boots. 14 00:00:42,459 --> 00:00:46,601 {\an8}And we found a group of moxa photos just digging 15 00:00:46,625 --> 00:00:47,435 through them. 16 00:00:47,459 --> 00:00:51,060 And one of them was a photograph of a male couple. 17 00:00:51,084 --> 00:00:54,476 {\an1}And the look in their eyes said that there's clearly 18 00:00:54,500 --> 00:00:57,459 something more here than friendship. 19 00:00:59,209 --> 00:01:01,643 There was a little bit of love that showed, 20 00:01:01,667 --> 00:01:03,435 there was something special between them. 21 00:01:03,459 --> 00:01:07,310 {\an1}To us, we looked at the photo, the photo looked back at us 22 00:01:07,334 --> 00:01:09,435 and said, we're the same and we bought it, 23 00:01:09,459 --> 00:01:10,435 it wasn't expensive. 24 00:01:10,459 --> 00:01:13,435 {\an1}And we didn't think we would ever see another one. 25 00:01:13,459 --> 00:01:14,227 (camera shutters) 26 00:01:14,251 --> 00:01:15,435 It was astonishing, we could not believe 27 00:01:15,459 --> 00:01:17,476 {\an1}that a photograph like this had ever been taken, 28 00:01:17,500 --> 00:01:21,435 {\an1}much less survived what looked like approximately 80 years 29 00:01:21,459 --> 00:01:22,102 at that point. 30 00:01:22,126 --> 00:01:25,102 We came home with it, we set it down on our office desk 31 00:01:25,126 --> 00:01:27,851 in our home, and it sat there for months. 32 00:01:27,875 --> 00:01:30,102 We moved it from pile to pile as when we were cleaning 33 00:01:30,126 --> 00:01:32,435 the desk and it was nice to run across it. 34 00:01:32,459 --> 00:01:33,394 (camera shutters) 35 00:01:33,418 --> 00:01:36,435 [Neal] We found a second one, probably the only other one 36 00:01:36,459 --> 00:01:38,310 that we'll probably ever have to find. 37 00:01:38,334 --> 00:01:41,227 {\an1}[Hugh] The second one of the only two that existed 38 00:01:41,251 --> 00:01:42,601 in the world. 39 00:01:42,625 --> 00:01:45,459 And then there's three. 40 00:01:46,459 --> 00:01:50,000 (soft piano music) 41 00:02:08,167 --> 00:02:11,625 (calm piano music) 42 00:02:15,334 --> 00:02:17,394 [Neal] When we moved to New York, 43 00:02:17,418 --> 00:02:19,310 we continued our collecting here. 44 00:02:19,334 --> 00:02:22,459 [Hugh] Yeah, third and then there were 10. 45 00:02:23,500 --> 00:02:25,810 (car horn honks) 46 00:02:25,834 --> 00:02:27,310 It just grew and grew and grew 47 00:02:27,334 --> 00:02:29,352 and we were never consciously thinking 48 00:02:29,376 --> 00:02:31,643 that we're collecting photographs. 49 00:02:31,667 --> 00:02:33,060 200 and 500. 50 00:02:33,084 --> 00:02:34,394 [Neal] And 700. 51 00:02:34,418 --> 00:02:37,435 [Hugh] When you see the collection, all you're looking at 52 00:02:37,459 --> 00:02:40,435 is two people who are in love with each other. 53 00:02:40,459 --> 00:02:44,000 (calm piano music) 54 00:02:44,209 --> 00:02:48,018 We just kept thinking we were running across these photos 55 00:02:48,042 --> 00:02:50,834 and they needed to be rescued. 56 00:02:51,292 --> 00:02:52,435 We traveled to Europe every summer 57 00:02:52,459 --> 00:02:55,352 because we have very close friends in Budapest and Paris, 58 00:02:55,376 --> 00:02:57,601 and that put us in contact with European 59 00:02:57,625 --> 00:02:59,893 and other types of collectors. 60 00:02:59,917 --> 00:03:06,352 {\an1}Some in Estonia, Serbia, Croatia, but also Europe. 61 00:03:06,376 --> 00:03:07,976 And then Neal's job had him traveling all over 62 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,851 the United States for a good 20. 63 00:03:10,875 --> 00:03:12,435 [Neal] So if I had a day or two off, 64 00:03:12,459 --> 00:03:14,518 I hit antique stores looking for everything, 65 00:03:14,542 --> 00:03:18,334 but it was always drawn to the photos. 66 00:03:23,500 --> 00:03:24,768 (camera shutters) 67 00:03:24,792 --> 00:03:26,018 [Hugh] We have a collecting parameter 68 00:03:26,042 --> 00:03:29,435 that we impose on ourselves and it's called the 50-50 rule. 69 00:03:29,459 --> 00:03:32,435 And we can find a photograph of a couple, 70 00:03:32,459 --> 00:03:33,893 like in this instance, these two, 71 00:03:33,917 --> 00:03:35,227 if you look closely at the photographs, 72 00:03:35,251 --> 00:03:38,601 there's a look in their eyes that this is not a look 73 00:03:38,625 --> 00:03:41,394 that two friends posing in a photograph have, 74 00:03:41,418 --> 00:03:42,851 it's something more. 75 00:03:42,875 --> 00:03:45,394 (calm piano music) 76 00:03:45,418 --> 00:03:47,667 {\an1}[Narrator] "John and Gio." 77 00:03:48,459 --> 00:03:52,209 (calm piano music) 78 00:07:34,583 --> 00:07:36,726 "Kariel and Gene." 79 00:07:36,750 --> 00:07:40,459 (calm piano music) 80 00:07:57,500 --> 00:08:00,518 When we started collecting, a lot of the photos 81 00:08:00,542 --> 00:08:05,310 {\an1}are really small and probably a couple of years into it, 82 00:08:05,334 --> 00:08:06,268 Hugh starts scanning photos in. 83 00:08:06,292 --> 00:08:10,394 And one of the tintypes that we saw that special look 84 00:08:10,418 --> 00:08:12,352 in their eyes and they were holding hands 85 00:08:12,376 --> 00:08:15,435 and had their legs crossed, that when we zoomed in, 86 00:08:15,459 --> 00:08:18,768 followed the shoulder down to where the other hand went, 87 00:08:18,792 --> 00:08:20,643 the other guy's hand was, he slid it into 88 00:08:20,667 --> 00:08:24,601 the other guy's inner thigh and it was kind of shocking. 89 00:08:24,625 --> 00:08:29,018 {\an1}We were really excited because that was a true telltale, 90 00:08:29,042 --> 00:08:31,435 that this was 150%. 91 00:08:31,459 --> 00:08:34,060 {\an1}[Hugh] And that element in the photograph explained 92 00:08:34,084 --> 00:08:36,143 that mischievous looking the one guy's eyes 93 00:08:36,167 --> 00:08:39,518 when he's doing this, and this photograph is probably 1800s 94 00:08:39,542 --> 00:08:44,042 maybe 1870s or 80s, or possibly even earlier. 95 00:08:45,084 --> 00:08:47,643 {\an8}It's a tintype, so it's done on metal 96 00:08:47,667 --> 00:08:51,976 {\an8}and these were only done for about a five-year period 97 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:52,435 {\an8}of time. 98 00:08:52,459 --> 00:08:53,893 The tintype was the cheapest photograph 99 00:08:53,917 --> 00:08:55,435 you could actually have produced, 100 00:08:55,459 --> 00:08:58,851 because it's positive onto the metal. 101 00:08:58,875 --> 00:09:03,435 {\an1}It didn't require a negative and so in producing these, 102 00:09:03,459 --> 00:09:05,976 they would have them at fairs or at circus, 103 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:10,227 {\an1}so this offered up anyone, the capability of having 104 00:09:10,251 --> 00:09:10,976 their photograph taken. 105 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,394 And there wasn't the history of a negative 106 00:09:13,418 --> 00:09:16,394 that could be reproduced, so in several photos we have, 107 00:09:16,418 --> 00:09:20,018 they would do something really fast and slight of hand 108 00:09:20,042 --> 00:09:22,851 to show their affection for each other 109 00:09:22,875 --> 00:09:26,143 and then they would take it away knowing that they had that. 110 00:09:26,167 --> 00:09:29,875 (bright piano music) 111 00:10:09,750 --> 00:10:13,352 (camera shutters) 112 00:10:13,376 --> 00:10:16,917 [Narrator] "Boy oh boy, what a pucker." 113 00:10:19,209 --> 00:10:25,334 "Dale and new friend, 1939 San Diego park." 114 00:10:28,792 --> 00:10:33,959 "First friends, Bobby, 1939." 115 00:10:42,875 --> 00:10:46,143 [Neal] I think our favorite photo in the entire collection 116 00:10:46,167 --> 00:10:48,435 is, we call it Splendor In The Grass. 117 00:10:48,459 --> 00:10:51,435 It's a gorgeous photo, of two guys laying out in the field 118 00:10:51,459 --> 00:10:54,435 and it looks like they're on a picnic, 119 00:10:54,459 --> 00:10:55,435 there's a loaf of bread there 120 00:10:55,459 --> 00:10:58,851 and it's kind of Bruce Weber like, 121 00:10:58,875 --> 00:11:00,394 so it could be in today's time. 122 00:11:00,418 --> 00:11:03,726 But this photo actually was taken probably around 1910. 123 00:11:03,750 --> 00:11:07,559 And it's just the colorization, the sepia tones, 124 00:11:07,583 --> 00:11:10,143 it's a work of art, it's just gorgeous. 125 00:11:10,167 --> 00:11:13,060 [Hugh] And their expression in their eyes, it is amazing. 126 00:11:13,084 --> 00:11:15,435 [Neal] There was a professor from Vienna. 127 00:11:15,459 --> 00:11:19,352 I know who's in the photograph, it's Rupert Brook, 128 00:11:19,376 --> 00:11:22,976 who's a famous poet from the UK and Duncan Grant, 129 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,185 who is a famous artist. 130 00:11:24,209 --> 00:11:27,435 {\an1}Hugh and I both on our own Googled and looked up 131 00:11:27,459 --> 00:11:31,060 all these photographs of these two, and if it's not them, 132 00:11:31,084 --> 00:11:32,435 it's their twin. 133 00:11:32,459 --> 00:11:36,018 (calm piano music) 134 00:11:36,042 --> 00:11:38,768 {\an1}The picture in the collection that stands out most to me 135 00:11:38,792 --> 00:11:42,459 is the, not married, but willing to be. 136 00:11:42,917 --> 00:11:44,976 {\an1}This was taken around 1900. 137 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,643 A young man who would put on his best suit 138 00:11:47,667 --> 00:11:49,810 and shave and comb his hair and go in 139 00:11:49,834 --> 00:11:50,768 and have his photograph taken. 140 00:11:50,792 --> 00:11:53,352 One of the posters would be to hold this sign up saying, 141 00:11:53,376 --> 00:11:54,435 "Not married, but willing to be." 142 00:11:54,459 --> 00:11:58,435 Meaning he himself is not married, but ladies I'm available. 143 00:11:58,459 --> 00:12:01,935 And so that sign is in this photographer studio 144 00:12:01,959 --> 00:12:05,476 and these young men held up the sign and turned the meaning 145 00:12:05,500 --> 00:12:07,394 on its head, they turned it into, 146 00:12:07,418 --> 00:12:11,459 we're not married to each other, but we're willing to be. 147 00:12:11,667 --> 00:12:14,643 {\an1}And they looked to be in their teens, I think, yeah. 148 00:12:14,667 --> 00:12:15,435 [Neal] Yeah, probably. 149 00:12:15,459 --> 00:12:16,435 {\an1}[Hugh] They're very young. 150 00:12:16,459 --> 00:12:18,394 {\an1}[Neal] The photograph of them holding the umbrella 151 00:12:18,418 --> 00:12:21,435 where they're gazing into each other's eyes 152 00:12:21,459 --> 00:12:24,185 and they're holding the stem, and if you look up close 153 00:12:24,209 --> 00:12:27,685 {\an1}to how their fingers are placed, they're interlocked 154 00:12:27,709 --> 00:12:28,935 on the stem of the umbrella. 155 00:12:28,959 --> 00:12:31,435 But again, you can see that look in their eyes. 156 00:12:31,459 --> 00:12:34,476 Marriage equality is a conversation everywhere 157 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:38,435 {\an1}and has been for maybe 20 years, but 120 years ago, 158 00:12:38,459 --> 00:12:40,435 {\an1}that wasn't even a thought, at least we didn't think 159 00:12:40,459 --> 00:12:44,583 {\an1}it was a thought, but these guys thought of it. 160 00:12:50,542 --> 00:12:54,352 {\an1}The photo booth portion of our collection is unique 161 00:12:54,376 --> 00:12:57,601 in that, a couple could serve as the subjects 162 00:12:57,625 --> 00:13:00,143 and the photographer and the developer. 163 00:13:00,167 --> 00:13:01,435 And so you didn't have to worry about 164 00:13:01,459 --> 00:13:04,102 any third party intervention or contact. 165 00:13:04,126 --> 00:13:07,102 And if a developer or a photographer who may not be friendly 166 00:13:07,126 --> 00:13:10,559 or sympathetic to your situation, these photographs tend 167 00:13:10,583 --> 00:13:14,518 {\an1}to be even more diffusive, joyful, expressive, 168 00:13:14,542 --> 00:13:17,394 in that you're sitting in this booth, the curtain is closed, 169 00:13:17,418 --> 00:13:19,685 nobody's watching you doing anything. 170 00:13:19,709 --> 00:13:22,268 The intensity and the expressions are just, 171 00:13:22,292 --> 00:13:24,643 they're more powerful in some cases 172 00:13:24,667 --> 00:13:28,060 than many of the other photographs on our collection. 173 00:13:28,084 --> 00:13:29,185 'Cause it's so private. 174 00:13:29,209 --> 00:13:32,435 They're there, on their own, free to be 175 00:13:32,459 --> 00:13:34,435 as expressive as want. 176 00:13:34,459 --> 00:13:39,000 {\an1}(bright instrumental music) 177 00:13:51,459 --> 00:13:55,459 [Narrator] "George Thompson and the Buddy, 1940. 178 00:13:57,459 --> 00:14:01,792 Here's one of both of us before we were well, you know." 179 00:14:11,418 --> 00:14:14,459 There's a group of photographs that, 180 00:14:15,292 --> 00:14:16,518 it is not completely obvious 181 00:14:16,542 --> 00:14:20,476 when you look at it superficially, that this is a couple, 182 00:14:20,500 --> 00:14:23,685 but these couples left tell tale signs, 183 00:14:23,709 --> 00:14:25,518 that they were a couple. 184 00:14:25,542 --> 00:14:28,394 (camera shutters) 185 00:14:28,418 --> 00:14:31,875 (calm piano music) 186 00:14:33,334 --> 00:14:35,227 To one in particular that I'm thinking of, 187 00:14:35,251 --> 00:14:37,060 it's two men, they're Germans 188 00:14:37,084 --> 00:14:39,435 {\an1}and they're wearing bathing suits and they're posing, 189 00:14:39,459 --> 00:14:42,518 {\an1}arm around each other, but it looks like a buddy pose, 190 00:14:42,542 --> 00:14:44,726 but if you follow the photograph down lower, 191 00:14:44,750 --> 00:14:47,435 {\an1}what you see is that they have very discreetly, 192 00:14:47,459 --> 00:14:48,685 touched their thighs together. 193 00:14:48,709 --> 00:14:52,518 You go a little bit lower and one of them has moved his foot 194 00:14:52,542 --> 00:14:56,185 over on top of the other man's foot. 195 00:14:56,209 --> 00:14:59,435 So these very discreet little hints that, 196 00:14:59,459 --> 00:15:01,768 {\an1}we might look like buddies from the waist up, 197 00:15:01,792 --> 00:15:04,352 {\an1}but look from the waist down and there's some signs 198 00:15:04,376 --> 00:15:06,559 that we're a couple and that we love each other. 199 00:15:06,583 --> 00:15:08,435 {\an1}[Neil] There's one where another guy's reaching over 200 00:15:08,459 --> 00:15:12,268 and he's touching the guy's chin and it's making them smile, 201 00:15:12,292 --> 00:15:16,435 but again, when you follow the body down and the leg down, 202 00:15:16,459 --> 00:15:19,435 he's tapping the other guy's foot. 203 00:15:19,459 --> 00:15:23,559 So it's just this little gesture of love. 204 00:15:23,583 --> 00:15:26,435 And we see that a lot. 205 00:15:26,459 --> 00:15:29,917 (calm piano music) 206 00:15:53,875 --> 00:15:55,601 {\an1}I think the most romantic photo in the book 207 00:15:55,625 --> 00:15:59,935 {\an1}is one of two guys in bed and when you first see it, 208 00:15:59,959 --> 00:16:03,476 you just see two guys that are laying there, 209 00:16:03,500 --> 00:16:07,959 they have on their pajamas, probably around 1915, 210 00:16:08,459 --> 00:16:11,185 and they're holding a book and it's called, 211 00:16:11,209 --> 00:16:12,559 "Adventure Magazine." 212 00:16:12,583 --> 00:16:14,601 But when you really take a look 213 00:16:14,625 --> 00:16:16,435 and you start really focusing on the photo, 214 00:16:16,459 --> 00:16:20,476 {\an1}their legs are intertwined into each other's 215 00:16:20,500 --> 00:16:22,518 {\an1}and it's that moment that, 216 00:16:22,542 --> 00:16:25,352 {\an1}it looks like a beautiful Sunday afternoon 217 00:16:25,376 --> 00:16:28,435 {\an1}and they're sharing the sunshine coming in from the window 218 00:16:28,459 --> 00:16:31,643 {\an1}and it's white sheets and it was just really crisp, 219 00:16:31,667 --> 00:16:37,810 but it's the expression that you believe you see 220 00:16:37,834 --> 00:16:40,143 {\an1}that just makes you know that they love each other 221 00:16:40,167 --> 00:16:41,476 and they're there and they're enjoying 222 00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:44,143 the Sunday morning together. 223 00:16:44,167 --> 00:16:47,625 (calm piano music) 224 00:18:43,418 --> 00:18:46,167 [Narrator] "Me and Harvey, 1929." 225 00:18:47,042 --> 00:18:50,500 (calm piano music) 226 00:18:54,126 --> 00:18:55,643 {\an1}"Bill Presant and Jack Law. 227 00:18:55,667 --> 00:19:02,167 {\an1}In front of Quebec Museum, Quebec, P2, May, 1944." 228 00:19:02,459 --> 00:19:06,126 (calm piano music) 229 00:19:07,459 --> 00:19:08,726 "Miracle corn. 230 00:19:08,750 --> 00:19:14,102 Charles, Charles, two lovely birdies." 231 00:19:14,126 --> 00:19:17,559 (calm piano music) 232 00:19:17,583 --> 00:19:23,917 {\an1}"A passing fancy, just to dodge, but, oh, the rides. 233 00:19:25,875 --> 00:19:28,834 Summer 1919." 234 00:19:29,126 --> 00:19:30,227 (calm piano music) 235 00:19:30,251 --> 00:19:35,976 "May 31st, 1931, Sal and Cliff. 236 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,126 Taken at Hook mountain." 237 00:19:41,583 --> 00:19:44,935 "Bud and Brandy, 1937." 238 00:19:44,959 --> 00:19:48,459 (calm piano music) 239 00:19:49,709 --> 00:19:53,435 "This is one of Elsie's brothers and myself. 240 00:19:53,459 --> 00:19:57,251 Rather poor, but Tony loved me. 241 00:19:57,459 --> 00:20:00,102 (calm piano music) 242 00:20:00,126 --> 00:20:05,435 We had our happy days, but those days are gone forever. 243 00:20:05,459 --> 00:20:08,310 {\an1}Now I'm alone to go my way. 244 00:20:08,334 --> 00:20:13,394 Now, his old guitar is silent, the one he used to play, 245 00:20:13,418 --> 00:20:16,810 but it will ring in my mind forever 246 00:20:16,834 --> 00:20:20,376 as it did in the good old days." 247 00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:29,435 [Neal] One of the photographs in our collection 248 00:20:29,459 --> 00:20:34,310 has a mysterious quality to it, that is really intriguing. 249 00:20:34,334 --> 00:20:36,435 It's two men, they look to be very young 250 00:20:36,459 --> 00:20:38,601 and they are actually in bed together 251 00:20:38,625 --> 00:20:40,601 and they're laying on their sides. 252 00:20:40,625 --> 00:20:42,185 They're both looking into the camera, 253 00:20:42,209 --> 00:20:48,435 but one has a very mischievous look on his face 254 00:20:48,459 --> 00:20:51,500 {\an1}and they wrote at the bottom of the photograph. 255 00:20:51,709 --> 00:20:54,601 [Narrator] "After the ball." 256 00:20:54,625 --> 00:20:59,268 {\an1}It's joyous, but it has a mysterious quality to it 257 00:20:59,292 --> 00:21:00,601 {\an1}because of what they wrote. 258 00:21:00,625 --> 00:21:01,976 You wonder where they were that evening 259 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,143 {\an1}and how they ended up there, I think we know the answer 260 00:21:04,167 --> 00:21:08,394 to that though, and that they chose that particular moment 261 00:21:08,418 --> 00:21:11,601 in their relationship to the photograph and memorialized 262 00:21:11,625 --> 00:21:14,435 for whatever future it would have. 263 00:21:14,459 --> 00:21:17,227 {\an1}Romantically, the photograph that intrigues me the most 264 00:21:17,251 --> 00:21:19,476 is the one of the two soldiers laying on a cot 265 00:21:19,500 --> 00:21:22,518 and they're embracing and you can just barely 266 00:21:22,542 --> 00:21:25,185 make out outline of one guy's cheek, 267 00:21:25,209 --> 00:21:29,251 a little bit mysterious, but very romantic. 268 00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:33,459 (calm piano music) 269 00:21:33,834 --> 00:21:35,102 It's almost like a candle shot. 270 00:21:35,126 --> 00:21:37,435 {\an1}I mean, it's gorgeousness, sepia tones in it, 271 00:21:37,459 --> 00:21:41,435 {\an1}so it makes you feel like you're kind of stepping 272 00:21:41,459 --> 00:21:43,435 {\an1}into an intimate setting. 273 00:21:43,459 --> 00:21:46,435 Yeah, feels like we shouldn't be looking at this. 274 00:21:46,459 --> 00:21:47,352 (laughing) 275 00:21:47,376 --> 00:21:48,394 (calm piano music) 276 00:21:48,418 --> 00:21:50,352 (camera shutters) 277 00:21:50,376 --> 00:21:52,268 [Narrator] "Love you. 278 00:21:52,292 --> 00:21:55,750 (calm piano music) 279 00:21:56,459 --> 00:22:01,625 Taken in Hollywood, his name is Sandy. 280 00:22:02,209 --> 00:22:03,459 Love me?" 281 00:22:04,418 --> 00:22:06,435 (calm piano music) 282 00:22:06,459 --> 00:22:10,518 "Dutie and I on one of my little trips home. 283 00:22:10,542 --> 00:22:12,935 Oh, what a time we had." 284 00:22:12,959 --> 00:22:16,459 (calm piano music) 285 00:22:21,334 --> 00:22:22,810 There's a couple of the postcard photos 286 00:22:22,834 --> 00:22:27,726 {\an1}that we have that I think people tend to mimic movies 287 00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:30,018 {\an1}because they see something that's fun or playful 288 00:22:30,042 --> 00:22:33,518 and in those too, that we have where there's one person 289 00:22:33,542 --> 00:22:37,060 {\an1}in the photo that's like putting his finger up to his mouth 290 00:22:37,084 --> 00:22:40,518 and going, I like you, kind of a sweet. 291 00:22:40,542 --> 00:22:43,018 [Hugh] That was a gesture that was like around the turn 292 00:22:43,042 --> 00:22:45,726 {\an1}of the century and I think lasted into silent films. 293 00:22:45,750 --> 00:22:48,917 It's cute, and some great photos. 294 00:22:50,042 --> 00:22:53,435 I think one of the photos that is most mysterious to me, 295 00:22:53,459 --> 00:22:56,435 {\an1}there's these two guys that are up on this column 296 00:22:56,459 --> 00:22:59,310 and they are like in a dancing pose. 297 00:22:59,334 --> 00:23:02,435 The column has to be probably 20 foot off the ground. 298 00:23:02,459 --> 00:23:06,143 {\an1}And so you're wondering, I mean, they look so calm 299 00:23:06,167 --> 00:23:09,435 and just so relaxed, big smiles on their face 300 00:23:09,459 --> 00:23:12,394 and there is nothing around that says, 301 00:23:12,418 --> 00:23:15,810 {\an1}we got up here this way, or how did they get down? 302 00:23:15,834 --> 00:23:18,435 {\an1}It's just an amazing shot. 303 00:23:18,459 --> 00:23:22,000 (calm piano music) 304 00:23:32,917 --> 00:23:36,768 [Narrator] "The two sad sacks from Texas. 305 00:23:36,792 --> 00:23:40,750 Up on the Alps at Kitzbuhel, Austria 45." 306 00:23:45,084 --> 00:23:45,810 [Neal] John and Dariel, 307 00:23:45,834 --> 00:23:48,768 one of the most touching photographs in the collection. 308 00:23:48,792 --> 00:23:51,352 These are two soldiers from World War II, American soldiers, 309 00:23:51,376 --> 00:23:53,810 and they were stationed in Germany originally. 310 00:23:53,834 --> 00:23:56,435 And you can't make this up, this is so crazy. 311 00:23:56,459 --> 00:23:58,976 They belong to the 42nd infantry division. 312 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,768 Their nickname was the rainbow division. 313 00:24:01,792 --> 00:24:05,459 (calm piano music) 314 00:24:06,376 --> 00:24:08,060 [Narrator] "A German painting a rainbow 315 00:24:08,084 --> 00:24:14,435 on one of our office buildings at Palling, Germany, May 45." 316 00:24:14,459 --> 00:24:15,476 (calm piano music) 317 00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:18,768 {\an1}[Hugh] In 1945, they were just getting across Germany 318 00:24:18,792 --> 00:24:20,851 and they came to the town of Dachau. 319 00:24:20,875 --> 00:24:23,476 {\an1}And as they were about to enter the town of Dachau, 320 00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:24,685 they were intercepted, they were told, 321 00:24:24,709 --> 00:24:28,018 {\an1}"Don't go into the town, follow this road into the forest." 322 00:24:28,042 --> 00:24:29,352 It was the concentration camp there, 323 00:24:29,376 --> 00:24:32,435 {\an1}and so they liberated Dachau concentration camp 324 00:24:32,459 --> 00:24:34,435 on April 29th, 1945. 325 00:24:34,459 --> 00:24:37,018 {\an1}Seven or eight days later, Germany surrendered 326 00:24:37,042 --> 00:24:39,459 and the war in Europe was over. 327 00:24:41,084 --> 00:24:43,476 [Narrator] "Penny for your thoughts Burns. 328 00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:47,459 Oh, wouldn't you like to know Johnny boy?" 329 00:24:49,459 --> 00:24:52,310 And a couple of days or weeks, we don't know exactly, 330 00:24:52,334 --> 00:24:55,768 but it's May, 1945, they hiked up into the Alps 331 00:24:55,792 --> 00:24:58,435 and put on the rings that they had exchanged 332 00:24:58,459 --> 00:25:00,601 with one another and a bracelet and a watch, 333 00:25:00,625 --> 00:25:04,102 and they just posed the most romantic pose, 334 00:25:04,126 --> 00:25:06,709 I think in the book, together. 335 00:25:07,209 --> 00:25:11,435 [Narrator] "Kitzbuhel, Austria, May, 1945. 336 00:25:11,459 --> 00:25:17,667 PFC Dario Burns, Johnny, in the snow up on the Alps." 337 00:25:19,376 --> 00:25:21,394 [Hugh] We know the story of John, 338 00:25:21,418 --> 00:25:22,394 the one soldier in the front. 339 00:25:22,418 --> 00:25:24,352 It's a wonderful story, it's a beautiful story, 340 00:25:24,376 --> 00:25:27,435 and it had some sort of a tinge of sadness to it 341 00:25:27,459 --> 00:25:29,435 because John, after World War II, 342 00:25:29,459 --> 00:25:30,976 he was diagnosed with muscular dystrophy, 343 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,834 {\an1}confined to a wheelchair for the rest of his life. 344 00:25:35,459 --> 00:25:37,976 [Narrator] "Burns and I, swimming at the Nat, 345 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,352 in Salzburg, Austria, Summer of 45. 346 00:25:42,376 --> 00:25:44,559 Fancy swim trunks eh?" 347 00:25:44,583 --> 00:25:45,394 (chuckles) 348 00:25:45,418 --> 00:25:51,209 "Burns and myself, Kitzbuhel, Austria, May, 45." 349 00:25:51,459 --> 00:25:54,518 Very beautiful lake and nice for swimming. 350 00:25:54,542 --> 00:25:57,518 His nephew imparted to us about 150 photographs 351 00:25:57,542 --> 00:26:01,018 of his uncle and what we know is from the nephew is that 352 00:26:01,042 --> 00:26:04,227 his uncle, who was a gay man, closeted, 353 00:26:04,251 --> 00:26:06,435 he would periodically take out the shoe box 354 00:26:06,459 --> 00:26:09,352 {\an1}that he had hidden in his house and in the shoe box, 355 00:26:09,376 --> 00:26:11,102 {\an1}were all these photographs of him and his boyfriend 356 00:26:11,126 --> 00:26:12,935 {\an1}from World War II and he would just go through them 357 00:26:12,959 --> 00:26:16,851 {\an1}and remember their relationship and the love 358 00:26:16,875 --> 00:26:17,601 that they shared. 359 00:26:17,625 --> 00:26:20,227 It's hard to fathom what that would be like for someone. 360 00:26:20,251 --> 00:26:23,559 There are less question marks regarding John and Dariel 361 00:26:23,583 --> 00:26:27,435 than there are anybody else in the collection of all 3,200. 362 00:26:27,459 --> 00:26:31,227 We actually know some very significant parts of their story, 363 00:26:31,251 --> 00:26:34,376 which is just absolutely amazing. 364 00:26:34,459 --> 00:26:38,435 And that ring that John is wearing is worn to this day, 365 00:26:38,459 --> 00:26:40,792 {\an1}by his nephew, every day. 366 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,500 (calm piano music) 367 00:26:47,459 --> 00:26:49,310 (camera shutters) 368 00:26:49,334 --> 00:26:52,143 [Narrator] "My boyfriend pushing Shirley and I 369 00:26:52,167 --> 00:26:53,935 in the wheelbarrow. 370 00:26:53,959 --> 00:26:55,559 Some picture." 371 00:26:55,583 --> 00:26:59,292 (calm piano music) 372 00:27:00,750 --> 00:27:03,102 "Edward and his chum." 373 00:27:03,126 --> 00:27:06,625 (calm piano music) 374 00:27:07,459 --> 00:27:10,376 "This is my boyfriend and I." 375 00:27:17,042 --> 00:27:22,418 Taken on their last trip to the moon, June 11th, 1915. 376 00:27:23,418 --> 00:27:26,917 (calm piano music) 377 00:27:36,709 --> 00:27:37,559 (camera shutters) 378 00:27:37,583 --> 00:27:41,018 [Hugh] Two men laying on the lawn. 379 00:27:41,042 --> 00:27:42,935 It looks like a manicured lawn actually. 380 00:27:42,959 --> 00:27:45,185 And they're embracing and it looks like 381 00:27:45,209 --> 00:27:45,935 they've been sunbathing 382 00:27:45,959 --> 00:27:49,726 And so the camera is up hive from where their perch is 383 00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:51,018 and they're looking up into the camera 384 00:27:51,042 --> 00:27:54,310 and they just have the most joyful smiling expressions 385 00:27:54,334 --> 00:27:55,435 on their face that you can imagine. 386 00:27:55,459 --> 00:27:59,518 And the embrace is very tight, they're almost melting 387 00:27:59,542 --> 00:28:00,435 into one another. 388 00:28:00,459 --> 00:28:02,893 {\an1}And then you see these beautiful smiles and sparkling eyes, 389 00:28:02,917 --> 00:28:07,435 and it just makes your heart sing, when you look at it. 390 00:28:07,459 --> 00:28:10,959 (calm piano music) 391 00:28:59,167 --> 00:29:00,476 (camera shutters) 392 00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:05,167 [Narrator] "This is my boyfriend, again." 393 00:29:08,834 --> 00:29:11,435 [Neal] One of the photos that we got pretty early 394 00:29:11,459 --> 00:29:14,643 in the collection, it's two guys, they're kind of rockabilly 395 00:29:14,667 --> 00:29:18,601 and just the way he's leaning back into his friend, 396 00:29:18,625 --> 00:29:22,435 his boyfriend, the person he looks like he's in love with. 397 00:29:22,459 --> 00:29:25,726 {\an1}At first view of the photo, you don't really notice it, 398 00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:29,310 but they position this car that they're on in a certain way. 399 00:29:29,334 --> 00:29:33,227 I mean, even the name on the hubcap is positioned perfectly, 400 00:29:33,251 --> 00:29:35,851 but it just pulls you into that photo 401 00:29:35,875 --> 00:29:38,768 and it just gives you a very warm feeling, 402 00:29:38,792 --> 00:29:43,060 because here's two guys out on a farm and it's just adorable 403 00:29:43,084 --> 00:29:43,685 it's so sweet. 404 00:29:43,709 --> 00:29:46,726 [Hugh] Their eyes are just electric. 405 00:29:46,750 --> 00:29:48,435 [Neal] And you just see it in their eyes, 406 00:29:48,459 --> 00:29:50,768 and that's something we talk about a lot 407 00:29:50,792 --> 00:29:53,435 because that's something that pulls us to the photos. 408 00:29:53,459 --> 00:29:56,435 {\an1}There's that unmistakable look that you have 409 00:29:56,459 --> 00:29:57,435 when you're in love. 410 00:29:57,459 --> 00:29:59,851 And to us, when you look at that and you look 411 00:29:59,875 --> 00:30:03,185 in those two guys, eyes, it's just there. 412 00:30:03,209 --> 00:30:06,018 [Hugh] The other aspect of it is that they're 413 00:30:06,042 --> 00:30:06,810 on the hood of a car. 414 00:30:06,834 --> 00:30:09,102 I'm not this way, Neil's not this way, 415 00:30:09,126 --> 00:30:10,810 we're not all about cars, but guys are, 416 00:30:10,834 --> 00:30:14,435 generally speaking about cars and I don't know what that is, 417 00:30:14,459 --> 00:30:15,268 but it's a thing. 418 00:30:15,292 --> 00:30:18,893 {\an1}And so here's this couple, maybe it's a status symbol 419 00:30:18,917 --> 00:30:21,601 or something, especially the car was a big deal, 420 00:30:21,625 --> 00:30:24,227 even back then, for somebody their age. 421 00:30:24,251 --> 00:30:27,893 For them to pose that way in such a dramatic, 422 00:30:27,917 --> 00:30:31,685 romantic embrace on the hood of the car, 423 00:30:31,709 --> 00:30:37,185 {\an1}and it's such a big photo and it's a full image, 424 00:30:37,209 --> 00:30:39,227 head to toe with both of them, 425 00:30:39,251 --> 00:30:41,685 something about it's really grand. 426 00:30:41,709 --> 00:30:44,959 (playful music) 427 00:31:35,459 --> 00:31:39,435 [Narrator] "Two of a kind, Red And Frank, 428 00:31:39,459 --> 00:31:41,518 just a remembrance." 429 00:31:41,542 --> 00:31:44,792 (playful music) 430 00:31:46,459 --> 00:31:48,042 "My darling, 1949." 431 00:31:49,459 --> 00:31:52,459 (playful music) 432 00:31:56,459 --> 00:31:58,643 "Love in a car." 433 00:31:58,667 --> 00:32:01,959 (playful music) 434 00:32:08,459 --> 00:32:10,435 I think if we could slip into a photo 435 00:32:10,459 --> 00:32:12,394 and I'll let you talk about, because I think 436 00:32:12,418 --> 00:32:17,394 we both have the same one, so you tell me what you think. 437 00:32:17,418 --> 00:32:19,851 The couple on the hood of the car? 438 00:32:19,875 --> 00:32:20,518 - Yes. - Yeah. 439 00:32:20,542 --> 00:32:23,643 {\an1}[Neal] I think it's these two guys, they're so cute, 440 00:32:23,667 --> 00:32:28,435 they're on the hood of a car, one's sitting kind of over 441 00:32:28,459 --> 00:32:31,810 {\an1}the tire on one side, the other one has lounged over 442 00:32:31,834 --> 00:32:33,810 and has his arms just wrapped around 443 00:32:33,834 --> 00:32:37,435 with the most beautiful smile and just hugging this guy 444 00:32:37,459 --> 00:32:38,750 from behind. 445 00:32:38,917 --> 00:32:41,435 He's got his head laid on the guy's back 446 00:32:41,459 --> 00:32:43,810 and they're just, I hate to overuse the word, 447 00:32:43,834 --> 00:32:45,810 but they're just melting into one another. 448 00:32:45,834 --> 00:32:47,559 And if I was going to melt into somebody, 449 00:32:47,583 --> 00:32:49,018 I'd melt into you on that car. 450 00:32:49,042 --> 00:32:51,352 {\an1}I'd melt back into you too. 451 00:32:51,376 --> 00:32:54,459 (playful music) 452 00:32:59,334 --> 00:33:00,102 (camera shutters) 453 00:33:00,126 --> 00:33:01,394 I think the picture that draws my attention 454 00:33:01,418 --> 00:33:03,476 {\an1}and moves me the most and makes me the most curious 455 00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:07,435 about the subjects is, we've nicknamed them, 456 00:33:07,459 --> 00:33:08,435 Clive and Morris. 457 00:33:08,459 --> 00:33:11,060 It's two men from probably the 1870s, 458 00:33:11,084 --> 00:33:15,394 they're very well-dressed, they have identical jewelry, 459 00:33:15,418 --> 00:33:18,726 cuff links, and this is a very old photograph. 460 00:33:18,750 --> 00:33:20,810 So in order to take this photograph, 461 00:33:20,834 --> 00:33:22,435 I had to sit very still for a long time. 462 00:33:22,459 --> 00:33:25,893 And it's where one man is gazing into the other man's eyes 463 00:33:25,917 --> 00:33:27,435 and the other one's turning his head away, 464 00:33:27,459 --> 00:33:30,310 just a little bit in shyness, but it's all staged. 465 00:33:30,334 --> 00:33:33,018 It makes you wonder what the relationship was really like. 466 00:33:33,042 --> 00:33:36,185 The photograph is beautiful, absolutely stunning. 467 00:33:36,209 --> 00:33:37,851 And they are a couple, one man is sitting 468 00:33:37,875 --> 00:33:40,352 on the other's lap, so there's that. 469 00:33:40,376 --> 00:33:43,559 But they did create a mood with that particular photograph 470 00:33:43,583 --> 00:33:46,893 and I just wonder, when the camera was off, 471 00:33:46,917 --> 00:33:49,310 what were they like, how did they talk to each other? 472 00:33:49,334 --> 00:33:53,875 {\an1}And what was the relationship in fact, truly like? 473 00:33:54,209 --> 00:33:57,709 (calm piano music) 474 00:34:01,875 --> 00:34:02,601 (camera shutters) 475 00:34:02,625 --> 00:34:07,893 [Narrator] "John, David, Eddy, 1915." 476 00:34:07,917 --> 00:34:12,435 {\an1}David shared Eddie's feelings for another kind of love. 477 00:34:12,459 --> 00:34:16,209 (calm piano music) 478 00:34:20,459 --> 00:34:24,018 Woody and Bob 1922. 479 00:34:24,042 --> 00:34:27,435 "Woody is shy, but he likes when I hold him. 480 00:34:27,459 --> 00:34:29,875 {\an1}I think he might consent." 481 00:34:34,209 --> 00:34:39,959 "Palsies, more than Bowsie's." 482 00:34:44,917 --> 00:34:46,435 In our collection, we have several photographs 483 00:34:46,459 --> 00:34:48,435 of one of the couples, or both of the couples, 484 00:34:48,459 --> 00:34:51,768 {\an1}where they take a photograph, but they turned the backs 485 00:34:51,792 --> 00:34:53,601 of their heads towards the camera. 486 00:34:53,625 --> 00:34:54,643 They know they're in the shot, 487 00:34:54,667 --> 00:34:56,227 they know that there are a couple, 488 00:34:56,251 --> 00:35:00,143 but they didn't want to risk the possibility 489 00:35:00,167 --> 00:35:01,935 that someone might come across the photograph 490 00:35:01,959 --> 00:35:05,292 and they would be somehow punished for it. 491 00:35:06,167 --> 00:35:08,559 Couple, standing on a railroad track with the train 492 00:35:08,583 --> 00:35:10,851 {\an1}in the background, and the conductor is standing 493 00:35:10,875 --> 00:35:12,685 {\an1}at the back of the train, pointing at something, 494 00:35:12,709 --> 00:35:16,851 we're not sure what, and they're embracing full frontal, 495 00:35:16,875 --> 00:35:22,018 very tightly with each other and it's a very strong embrace, 496 00:35:22,042 --> 00:35:25,935 but one of the men said, appears that he said, 497 00:35:25,959 --> 00:35:28,601 "I'll be in this photograph, but I need to turn my head away 498 00:35:28,625 --> 00:35:31,227 from the camera, so that only the back of my head 499 00:35:31,251 --> 00:35:31,810 is showing." 500 00:35:31,834 --> 00:35:33,268 The other man is looking right into the camera 501 00:35:33,292 --> 00:35:35,268 and he's just absolutely loving the moment. 502 00:35:35,292 --> 00:35:36,810 I think they're probably both loving the moment, 503 00:35:36,834 --> 00:35:40,476 one had higher level of comfort than the other one did. 504 00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:44,126 (camera shutters) 505 00:35:49,084 --> 00:35:51,018 Picture that makes me laugh out loud, 506 00:35:51,042 --> 00:35:52,435 the two sailors are out in the park. 507 00:35:52,459 --> 00:35:55,435 I mean, they're laying there, they're kinda wrestling 508 00:35:55,459 --> 00:35:58,352 {\an1}a little bit, but they're in a loving embrace 509 00:35:58,376 --> 00:36:00,394 and they have these big smiles on their face. 510 00:36:00,418 --> 00:36:02,310 {\an1}And it's something to like written on the back. 511 00:36:02,334 --> 00:36:05,518 [Narrator] "Ice cream is good on a hot day. 512 00:36:05,542 --> 00:36:08,500 Smith and Wade still in love?" 513 00:36:08,625 --> 00:36:11,893 [Neal] But it's just adorable and they're not afraid 514 00:36:11,917 --> 00:36:16,435 to express themselves and everyone's kind of looking around 515 00:36:16,459 --> 00:36:18,976 at them like, "Hey, that's who they are." 516 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,750 But it just makes you happy. 517 00:36:24,917 --> 00:36:27,518 [Narrator] "Joe and I talking over some things 518 00:36:27,542 --> 00:36:31,334 which we do quite often at noon." 519 00:36:31,500 --> 00:36:35,251 (calm piano music) 520 00:37:02,500 --> 00:37:04,726 "Harry and Ernie." 521 00:37:04,750 --> 00:37:08,459 (calm piano music) 522 00:37:12,667 --> 00:37:17,435 "Lars, Pitt, 1943." 523 00:37:17,459 --> 00:37:21,167 (calm piano music) 524 00:37:21,334 --> 00:37:27,500 "Harley P Humphrey, and I.T Huff, on the lock in Bremerton, 525 00:37:27,834 --> 00:37:33,000 Washington, with all my love, Harley." 526 00:37:33,292 --> 00:37:36,750 (calm piano music) 527 00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:40,394 We have a photograph in the collection, 528 00:37:40,418 --> 00:37:43,559 which was astonishing to come across. 529 00:37:43,583 --> 00:37:47,268 {\an1}It's two men, and we didn't understand exactly 530 00:37:47,292 --> 00:37:48,893 what we were looking at at first, 531 00:37:48,917 --> 00:37:50,435 and what we realized looking closer, 532 00:37:50,459 --> 00:37:53,310 {\an1}is that they have a camera sitting, it looks like 533 00:37:53,334 --> 00:37:56,102 on a dresser and it's pointed into the mirror, 534 00:37:56,126 --> 00:37:57,601 they're standing behind the camera, 535 00:37:57,625 --> 00:38:00,559 {\an1}and we did a little bit of research after we noticed 536 00:38:00,583 --> 00:38:02,518 that one guy was holding something in his hand. 537 00:38:02,542 --> 00:38:08,917 And as early as 1902, you could take your own photograph, 538 00:38:09,459 --> 00:38:10,018 a selfie. 539 00:38:10,042 --> 00:38:13,102 So what they're using is called the Ferry's shutter tripper. 540 00:38:13,126 --> 00:38:16,018 It's a rubber hose that connects to the camera 541 00:38:16,042 --> 00:38:18,935 {\an1}at the end of the hose on your end is a rubber ball, 542 00:38:18,959 --> 00:38:21,976 {\an1}and when you squeeze the ball, it pushes air through 543 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,018 the hose and causes the camera shutter to trip. 544 00:38:26,042 --> 00:38:32,060 And so these men took, we're gonna say, 545 00:38:32,084 --> 00:38:35,435 the first documented selfie of a romantic male couple 546 00:38:35,459 --> 00:38:36,476 and wrote below it. 547 00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:38,792 {\an1}[Narrator] "In the mirror." 548 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,500 (calm piano music) 549 00:38:49,418 --> 00:38:52,726 {\an1}[Neal] There's one photo that we had and we call it 550 00:38:52,750 --> 00:38:55,685 the first gay wedding, because they're actually 551 00:38:55,709 --> 00:38:56,435 giving each other rings. 552 00:38:56,459 --> 00:38:57,726 And so the one guy has his hand up, 553 00:38:57,750 --> 00:39:01,060 he's sliding the ring on, they have an umbrella behind them, 554 00:39:01,084 --> 00:39:03,352 and then there's the minister in the photo, 555 00:39:03,376 --> 00:39:05,352 but they're exchanging jewelry there. 556 00:39:05,376 --> 00:39:08,310 {\an1}And when we've zoomed into a lot of the photos, 557 00:39:08,334 --> 00:39:09,935 when we scan them in, we found that 558 00:39:09,959 --> 00:39:16,394 there's matching pinky rings or that they may have jewelry 559 00:39:16,418 --> 00:39:18,435 like matching bracelets that that are shared. 560 00:39:18,459 --> 00:39:21,559 {\an1}We didn't even realize the umbrella in it at first, 561 00:39:21,583 --> 00:39:23,310 then we found another one with an umbrella, 562 00:39:23,334 --> 00:39:27,435 it's probably three or four into it that we actually thought 563 00:39:27,459 --> 00:39:30,935 there's some kind of theme going on here. 564 00:39:30,959 --> 00:39:34,459 (calm piano music) 565 00:39:38,583 --> 00:39:40,685 {\an1}[Hugh] Then we can't find any scholarship on this, 566 00:39:40,709 --> 00:39:43,018 {\an1}so this is just us talking about our collection 567 00:39:43,042 --> 00:39:46,643 {\an1}of what's crystal clear to us is that, two men between 568 00:39:46,667 --> 00:39:51,268 {\an1}the 1860s and the 1920s posing together with an umbrella, 569 00:39:51,292 --> 00:39:53,394 was an indication that they were a couple 570 00:39:53,418 --> 00:39:56,726 and you could take the umbrella away and you could still see 571 00:39:56,750 --> 00:39:57,643 {\an1}that there were a couple, 572 00:39:57,667 --> 00:39:59,310 {\an1}but the umbrella was sort of an added, I don't know, 573 00:39:59,334 --> 00:40:02,018 {\an1}it's like the rainbow flag or something at the time. 574 00:40:02,042 --> 00:40:03,476 [Neal] It looks like protection or security 575 00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:05,018 and keeping them close together, 576 00:40:05,042 --> 00:40:07,726 because you have to get closer to be under an umbrella. 577 00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:09,726 {\an1}And there's the one photo of the two guys sitting 578 00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:12,476 on the beach with the three girls behind them, 579 00:40:12,500 --> 00:40:14,435 so they're holding the umbrella 580 00:40:14,459 --> 00:40:15,435 and it's holding them close together 581 00:40:15,459 --> 00:40:17,102 and then there's the three ladies that are 582 00:40:17,126 --> 00:40:19,310 their security guards behind them. 583 00:40:19,334 --> 00:40:20,435 And what our collection revealed to us, 584 00:40:20,459 --> 00:40:23,476 which was very unexpected is that between like the 1890s 585 00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:28,685 and the late 1920s, there was a much more open and accepting 586 00:40:28,709 --> 00:40:31,102 and embracing community. 587 00:40:31,126 --> 00:40:33,893 A lot of these couples had friends and family and siblings 588 00:40:33,917 --> 00:40:36,435 and so forth in the photographs with them 589 00:40:36,459 --> 00:40:38,768 and their expressions of love for one another 590 00:40:38,792 --> 00:40:43,143 were way more effusive than any time before or after that. 591 00:40:43,167 --> 00:40:43,976 (calm piano music) 592 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,435 [Narrator] "Here are your uncle Bill with his friend, Jim. 593 00:40:47,459 --> 00:40:49,352 They met when they were in the Navy. 594 00:40:49,376 --> 00:40:54,435 After the Navy, they moved to San Francisco around 1938 595 00:40:54,459 --> 00:40:58,227 and lived together until uncle Bill died. 596 00:40:58,251 --> 00:41:01,102 Your father said they were queer as a duck. 597 00:41:01,126 --> 00:41:05,893 {\an1}Uncle Bill had a couple of horses he rode in parades." 598 00:41:05,917 --> 00:41:09,459 (calm piano music) 599 00:41:19,084 --> 00:41:23,792 "Klinger and I, in our home, April 15th, 1955." 600 00:41:25,042 --> 00:41:28,209 (bouncy music) 601 00:41:29,834 --> 00:41:33,227 {\an1}"My beloved darling, Andre. 602 00:41:33,251 --> 00:41:37,435 A little darling, sweeter than he looks." 603 00:41:37,459 --> 00:41:40,583 (bouncy music) 604 00:41:43,459 --> 00:41:45,667 Davis and JC. 605 00:41:48,334 --> 00:41:50,268 [Hugh] Our collection has over 3000. 606 00:41:50,292 --> 00:41:52,060 And over the last 20 years, we have collected 607 00:41:52,084 --> 00:41:55,185 {\an1}every single photograph of an African-American couple 608 00:41:55,209 --> 00:41:58,559 or a biracial couple and that number is about 30. 609 00:41:58,583 --> 00:41:59,893 African-Americans in this country 610 00:41:59,917 --> 00:42:02,601 {\an1}had been disenfranchised historically and includes 611 00:42:02,625 --> 00:42:05,435 every facet of life in the United States. 612 00:42:05,459 --> 00:42:07,893 And it goes on to this day, still. 613 00:42:07,917 --> 00:42:11,102 Photography was as unavailable to them 614 00:42:11,126 --> 00:42:11,851 as everything else was. 615 00:42:11,875 --> 00:42:15,394 {\an1}[Neal] So, this is one of African-American couples 616 00:42:15,418 --> 00:42:15,976 that we have. 617 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,435 We're guessing it's New York, we wanna think it's New York. 618 00:42:18,459 --> 00:42:19,435 And the two guys on the roof, 619 00:42:19,459 --> 00:42:21,435 but just in the cute little rocking chair 620 00:42:21,459 --> 00:42:25,394 and a little playful but sitting in each other's lap. 621 00:42:25,418 --> 00:42:28,459 (bouncy music) 622 00:43:44,459 --> 00:43:47,559 [Neal] It was amazing to us that male couples who were 623 00:43:47,583 --> 00:43:50,685 in love with each other, would have their photograph taken. 624 00:43:50,709 --> 00:43:55,518 That's a risk, that's the first tier of our collection 625 00:43:55,542 --> 00:43:57,643 and that's the majority of the collection. 626 00:43:57,667 --> 00:44:01,102 And that's pretty rare in and of itself. 627 00:44:01,126 --> 00:44:02,394 That's amazing. 628 00:44:02,418 --> 00:44:05,917 (calm piano music) 629 00:45:01,667 --> 00:45:03,435 And then there's a higher level of intimacy 630 00:45:03,459 --> 00:45:05,768 when you're on the beach wearing a bathing suit, 631 00:45:05,792 --> 00:45:06,893 because your skin is exposed 632 00:45:06,917 --> 00:45:09,726 {\an1}and if you touch your skin to the person next to you, 633 00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:13,601 that is an indication that there is a relationship there. 634 00:45:13,625 --> 00:45:16,227 {\an1}There are many photographs where in fact, 635 00:45:16,251 --> 00:45:19,476 one in particular I'm thinking of, is a couple 636 00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:20,435 {\an1}that is laying on a dock. 637 00:45:20,459 --> 00:45:24,435 I think it's at a lake and they're embracing in a manner, 638 00:45:24,459 --> 00:45:25,976 they're wearing bathing suits of course. 639 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,768 They're embracing in a manner that could very well have 640 00:45:28,792 --> 00:45:32,893 taken place in a bad and embracing in a very intimate, 641 00:45:32,917 --> 00:45:36,435 beautiful way and expressing through their eyes, 642 00:45:36,459 --> 00:45:38,500 {\an1}their love for one another. 643 00:45:38,709 --> 00:45:44,000 [Narrator] "Marty and Blakey, June 2nd, 1935, 644 00:45:45,209 --> 00:45:46,476 Lake Michigan." 645 00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:47,518 (calm piano music) 646 00:45:47,542 --> 00:45:50,060 [Neal] And then there's that second photo on the beach, 647 00:45:50,084 --> 00:45:52,893 that the two guys under the blanket, it says reserve 648 00:45:52,917 --> 00:45:55,893 {\an1}on the blanket, but I mean, they're very close, 649 00:45:55,917 --> 00:45:58,268 {\an1}so it's like they are under the sheets of a bed 650 00:45:58,292 --> 00:46:02,376 {\an1}in a playful way, that it's just cute as can be. 651 00:46:02,583 --> 00:46:05,394 {\an1}[Hugh] One of the photos that amuses me the most is, 652 00:46:05,418 --> 00:46:08,435 {\an1}they're two sailors, it appears to be around World War II, 653 00:46:08,459 --> 00:46:11,559 possibly a little bit earlier and they're on the ship's deck 654 00:46:11,583 --> 00:46:14,851 and they're wearing very small bathing suits 655 00:46:14,875 --> 00:46:16,435 {\an1}and they're posed together, one arm is around 656 00:46:16,459 --> 00:46:20,435 the other guy's arm and one of the subjects is sitting. 657 00:46:20,459 --> 00:46:24,227 One of the men is sitting on a stool next to his boyfriend 658 00:46:24,251 --> 00:46:27,435 and they have this very mischievous look in their eyes 659 00:46:27,459 --> 00:46:31,060 and the boyfriend sitting on the stool has his hand reached 660 00:46:31,084 --> 00:46:34,726 over and on his boyfriend's thigh. 661 00:46:34,750 --> 00:46:38,459 (calm piano music) 662 00:48:47,459 --> 00:48:49,476 [Narrator] "A couple of GI's." 663 00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:53,209 (calm piano music) 664 00:48:57,084 --> 00:48:59,601 "Braun and Leo M." 665 00:48:59,625 --> 00:49:03,334 (calm piano music) 666 00:49:05,959 --> 00:49:07,268 [Neal] And then the next tier you get to 667 00:49:07,292 --> 00:49:12,476 {\an1}is couples fully clothed, in bed together. 668 00:49:12,500 --> 00:49:16,251 (calm piano music) 669 00:49:49,875 --> 00:49:54,476 {\an1}[Narrator] "Note my haircut, it looks like in the slums. 670 00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:57,435 See how sad I look? 671 00:49:57,459 --> 00:49:58,435 Haha." 672 00:49:58,459 --> 00:50:02,042 (calm piano music) 673 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,768 [Hugh] And then of course, the highest tier 674 00:50:09,792 --> 00:50:13,268 {\an1}is to kiss one another and have that photograph taken, 675 00:50:13,292 --> 00:50:17,227 that erases any plausible ambiguity 676 00:50:17,251 --> 00:50:18,435 about what the photograph is about. 677 00:50:18,459 --> 00:50:21,685 [Neal] The first photo of the kiss was probably the fourth 678 00:50:21,709 --> 00:50:24,435 or fifth photograph that we found. 679 00:50:24,459 --> 00:50:27,435 And it was two guys in front of a house. 680 00:50:27,459 --> 00:50:33,268 {\an1}[Hugh] Very middle-class suburbia, 1920s, probably. 681 00:50:33,292 --> 00:50:35,435 {\an1}That's a really passionate kiss out in the open, 682 00:50:35,459 --> 00:50:36,685 in front of the neighbors and everybody. 683 00:50:36,709 --> 00:50:39,435 [Neal] It's something about that photograph 684 00:50:39,459 --> 00:50:42,726 that there they're expressing their love 685 00:50:42,750 --> 00:50:45,394 and didn't look like there was any hesitation 686 00:50:45,418 --> 00:50:48,435 {\an1}for them to do so, that they were definitely proud 687 00:50:48,459 --> 00:50:51,435 of who they were and it wasn't like, 688 00:50:51,459 --> 00:50:53,435 {\an1}well, let's kiss really quick in this photograph. 689 00:50:53,459 --> 00:50:56,352 It wasn't something that looked like there was a hesitation. 690 00:50:56,376 --> 00:50:58,435 Rocky Nook, Labor day, 1910. 691 00:50:58,459 --> 00:51:02,268 Rocky Nook is right outside of Santa Barbara, it's a park. 692 00:51:02,292 --> 00:51:05,435 Here's two guys up on a rock for all the world to see, 693 00:51:05,459 --> 00:51:10,435 the ocean behind them and a beautiful embrace and kissing. 694 00:51:10,459 --> 00:51:13,851 [Hugh] The highest tier, the kissing photographs 695 00:51:13,875 --> 00:51:17,435 and not just kissing, but as Neil said, we wanna be up 696 00:51:17,459 --> 00:51:21,018 {\an1}on the top of the rock, higher than anything else, 697 00:51:21,042 --> 00:51:24,559 closer to the sky and have our picture taken. 698 00:51:24,583 --> 00:51:26,643 [Neal] And then this one just showing that they were out 699 00:51:26,667 --> 00:51:28,435 to their friends, I guess you could say, 700 00:51:28,459 --> 00:51:30,060 {\an1}because they have the three ladies behind them. 701 00:51:30,084 --> 00:51:33,268 {\an1}And obviously they cared deeply for these two guys, 702 00:51:33,292 --> 00:51:34,768 because they're, showing that their support 703 00:51:34,792 --> 00:51:38,435 and just kind of securing them while they do their kiss. 704 00:51:38,459 --> 00:51:42,042 (calm piano music) 705 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,435 [Narrator] "Lee and Hank, Easter." 706 00:52:33,459 --> 00:52:37,000 (calm piano music) 707 00:52:42,459 --> 00:52:43,875 "My sweetheart." 708 00:52:44,459 --> 00:52:48,209 (calm piano music) 709 00:52:52,418 --> 00:52:53,726 (calm piano music) 710 00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:58,435 {\an1}[Hugh] To take these photographs and to choose that moment 711 00:52:58,459 --> 00:53:00,559 to be with someone that you love, 712 00:53:00,583 --> 00:53:06,435 that people don't approve of during that time, it's amazing. 713 00:53:06,459 --> 00:53:10,435 For these photographs to have survived beyond their lives 714 00:53:10,459 --> 00:53:15,435 for decades and end up in our collection is just kind of, 715 00:53:15,459 --> 00:53:17,227 some kind of a miracle I think. 716 00:53:17,251 --> 00:53:19,435 [Neal] We keep them in a nice little safe in the corner, 717 00:53:19,459 --> 00:53:21,435 to make sure that nothing happens to them, 718 00:53:21,459 --> 00:53:23,476 because it's something that's lasted that long, 719 00:53:23,500 --> 00:53:28,251 we wanna make sure it can last 170 years. 720 00:53:30,209 --> 00:53:31,768 [Hugh] What this collection is, 721 00:53:31,792 --> 00:53:34,394 is a love letter to the world. 722 00:53:34,418 --> 00:53:37,875 (calm piano music) 723 00:53:39,459 --> 00:53:42,834 (camera shutters) 724 00:53:43,459 --> 00:53:46,810 [Narrator] "I send you a photo that probably will raise 725 00:53:46,834 --> 00:53:50,750 the curtain of a little part of my life." 726 00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:57,750 (uplifting piano music) 727 00:55:29,459 --> 00:55:31,851 [Hugh] Anyone looking at these photographs, 728 00:55:31,875 --> 00:55:34,685 gets a strong sense that these people mattered 729 00:55:34,709 --> 00:55:37,768 {\an1}to each other, they loved one another very much. 730 00:55:37,792 --> 00:55:43,102 [Neal] My hope is that people understand that love is love 731 00:55:43,126 --> 00:55:43,685 no matter what. 732 00:55:43,709 --> 00:55:45,726 {\an1}[Hugh] I think if this collection says anything, 733 00:55:45,750 --> 00:55:49,227 it says, this is absolutely real, it's even real, 734 00:55:49,251 --> 00:55:51,893 under really difficult circumstances. 735 00:55:51,917 --> 00:55:57,834 And in the end, it's just universal. 736 00:56:06,042 --> 00:56:09,750 (bright piano music) 737 00:56:12,376 --> 00:56:18,667 ♪ Rainy day, go away, come back when I'm old and gray ♪ 738 00:56:19,959 --> 00:56:23,310 ♪ Love arrives up with tide, ♪ 739 00:56:23,334 --> 00:56:26,685 ♪ Jump right in and take the ride ♪ 740 00:56:26,709 --> 00:56:30,476 ♪ The sun will shine, it's just in time ♪ 741 00:56:30,500 --> 00:56:33,726 ♪ Get that bubba spinach fine ♪ 742 00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:37,559 ♪ Let's go and play, we'll sail away ♪ 743 00:56:37,583 --> 00:56:41,185 ♪ Wonderful, wonderful life ♪ 744 00:56:41,209 --> 00:56:45,018 ♪ So free and easy ♪ 745 00:56:45,042 --> 00:56:48,310 ♪ Wet and breezy ♪ 746 00:56:48,334 --> 00:56:51,768 ♪ All that you have got to do ♪ 747 00:56:51,792 --> 00:56:54,685 {\an1}♪ Is love me for a while ♪ 748 00:56:54,709 --> 00:56:58,851 ♪ So step right up fill your cup ♪ 749 00:56:58,875 --> 00:57:02,227 ♪ Make sure that you got enough ♪ 750 00:57:02,251 --> 00:57:06,227 ♪ Forget the blues, I'll sing them news ♪ 751 00:57:06,251 --> 00:57:09,518 ♪ Darling I'm in love with you ♪ 752 00:57:09,542 --> 00:57:14,251 {\an1}(bouncy instrumental music) 61139

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