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[voice breaking] He didn't. 11 00:00:48,298 --> 00:00:49,924 [man 1] My beautiful daughter 12 00:00:51,009 --> 00:00:53,261 laying face down in a muddy river. 13 00:00:54,345 --> 00:00:56,222 And somebody just walks away. 14 00:00:57,057 --> 00:00:59,309 [man 2] Somebody walked up on 'em and done it. 15 00:00:59,976 --> 00:01:01,603 Execution style. 16 00:01:02,937 --> 00:01:07,609 [man 3] It was broad daylight in a well-traveled area, 17 00:01:07,692 --> 00:01:09,277 on a beautiful summer day. 18 00:01:11,196 --> 00:01:14,491 And nobody saw anything. 19 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,202 [opening theme music playing] 20 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:50,652 [music ends] 21 00:01:50,735 --> 00:01:52,737 [eerie music playing] 22 00:02:03,123 --> 00:02:05,458 -[beeping] -[woman 1] Cleveland Metroparks Police. 23 00:02:05,542 --> 00:02:07,502 [woman 2] My boyfriend and I parked to go kayaking, 24 00:02:07,585 --> 00:02:10,046 and it looks like there's two bodies that were shot. 25 00:02:10,588 --> 00:02:11,756 [woman 1] Where? 26 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,259 [woman 2] Um... We pulled into the Rocky River Reservation. 27 00:02:14,342 --> 00:02:16,636 We're probably maybe three miles in, 28 00:02:16,719 --> 00:02:19,514 and both of these people are definitely dead. 29 00:02:19,597 --> 00:02:21,599 [unsettling music playing] 30 00:02:23,476 --> 00:02:25,770 [woman 2] We were coming in the car down the road, 31 00:02:27,438 --> 00:02:30,525 and we were pulling in to see if we could launch the kayaks. 32 00:02:32,235 --> 00:02:35,989 And I saw someone laying down here along the river. 33 00:02:38,116 --> 00:02:41,244 And I said to him, "You should go check on that guy." 34 00:02:41,327 --> 00:02:42,745 "He doesn't look okay." 35 00:02:44,747 --> 00:02:48,251 [man] His knees were bent, and he was facing the river. 36 00:02:49,752 --> 00:02:51,379 He had his eyes open, 37 00:02:51,462 --> 00:02:54,966 and I noticed a... bullet hole in his head. 38 00:02:56,467 --> 00:02:59,721 [Kaitlin] It also had appeared to have just happened 39 00:02:59,804 --> 00:03:02,223 because he still looked warm. 40 00:03:02,307 --> 00:03:04,309 [mysterious music playing] 41 00:03:05,476 --> 00:03:09,939 And that's when I noticed the woman lying down... face down on the bank. 42 00:03:13,484 --> 00:03:17,322 It was really shocking just to see her down there. 43 00:03:17,405 --> 00:03:19,741 [voice breaking] Sorry. [sniffles] Um... 44 00:03:20,533 --> 00:03:23,036 [Tony] I remember being in kind of a frenzy, 45 00:03:23,119 --> 00:03:26,497 and I was honestly stricken with fear. 46 00:03:27,874 --> 00:03:30,668 [Kaitlin] So he said, "Please just go back to the car," 47 00:03:31,252 --> 00:03:33,504 and that was when I saw a truck... 48 00:03:35,757 --> 00:03:37,300 with a guy sitting in it. 49 00:03:37,383 --> 00:03:39,219 [eerie music playing] 50 00:03:39,302 --> 00:03:41,429 [Kaitlin] And that just seemed really odd. 51 00:03:44,682 --> 00:03:46,643 There was also just the fear of, like, 52 00:03:46,726 --> 00:03:51,231 did we just see something that could potentially be putting us in danger here? 53 00:03:51,314 --> 00:03:55,068 [Tony] So I called back to Kait, and I told her, "Call the police." 54 00:03:55,151 --> 00:03:57,779 -[siren wailing] -[indistinct police radio chatter] 55 00:03:59,697 --> 00:04:02,116 [man 1] 101 Radio, you can put me en route to Lorain. 56 00:04:02,617 --> 00:04:04,619 [woman] You got it. I believe everyone's en route. 57 00:04:05,245 --> 00:04:06,663 [man 2] Additional units responding. 58 00:04:06,746 --> 00:04:08,706 We'll need the road to be shut down, please. 59 00:04:09,374 --> 00:04:10,750 [menacing music playing] 60 00:04:10,833 --> 00:04:12,794 [man] When I heard the call dispatched, 61 00:04:13,419 --> 00:04:16,923 {\an8}I responded straight to the scene, along with three other detectives. 62 00:04:17,006 --> 00:04:19,008 [tense music playing] 63 00:04:21,594 --> 00:04:23,179 [Sylvis] When we first arrived, 64 00:04:23,846 --> 00:04:27,183 we found a Black male face down on the grass 65 00:04:27,767 --> 00:04:30,812 beside a bench that overlooks the Rocky River. 66 00:04:32,438 --> 00:04:36,109 And there was a white female that was face down in the water, 67 00:04:36,192 --> 00:04:38,820 about six feet in front of that bench. 68 00:04:40,071 --> 00:04:43,366 Both of the victims had sustained gunshot wounds. 69 00:04:43,449 --> 00:04:47,203 The male was shot twice, and the female was shot once. 70 00:04:48,079 --> 00:04:51,165 It seemed apparent that it was either a double murder 71 00:04:51,249 --> 00:04:53,167 or it was a murder-suicide. 72 00:04:54,043 --> 00:04:56,879 [woman] We can't... We don't see a weapon or anything. 73 00:04:56,963 --> 00:04:59,340 {\an8}This whole area's gonna have to be searched. 74 00:05:01,718 --> 00:05:03,636 [Sylvis] When we searched the crime scene, 75 00:05:05,388 --> 00:05:08,683 we found three shell casings from a small-caliber weapon, 76 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,687 and we rolled the victims over 77 00:05:12,770 --> 00:05:16,024 and found that there were no firearms concealed underneath them. 78 00:05:16,566 --> 00:05:18,818 So after we searched the area thoroughly 79 00:05:18,901 --> 00:05:21,696 and found no weapon present at the scene, 80 00:05:21,779 --> 00:05:24,782 it was apparent that this was a murder of both of those victims. 81 00:05:24,866 --> 00:05:26,451 [tense music playing] 82 00:05:26,534 --> 00:05:30,121 When a gun's fired, the shell casings are ejected from the firearm 83 00:05:30,204 --> 00:05:32,498 before the next round can be fired. 84 00:05:32,582 --> 00:05:35,626 And the shell casings were found relatively close to the bodies, 85 00:05:35,710 --> 00:05:38,546 so that told us that the shooter was close to the victims 86 00:05:38,629 --> 00:05:39,964 when the murders occurred. 87 00:05:40,465 --> 00:05:44,552 Murders committed with firearms are inherently more difficult to solve 88 00:05:44,635 --> 00:05:48,264 because there's physical distance between the victim and the suspect, 89 00:05:48,348 --> 00:05:51,309 so there's no trace evidence transferred between them. 90 00:05:52,602 --> 00:05:54,354 [man] As the assistant prosecuting attorney 91 00:05:54,437 --> 00:05:56,439 at the Cuyahoga County Prosecutor's Office, 92 00:05:57,023 --> 00:06:00,443 I was there to be available for legal questions on scene. 93 00:06:00,943 --> 00:06:03,321 Once the bodies were removed, um... 94 00:06:03,404 --> 00:06:06,324 for later examination and an autopsy, 95 00:06:06,407 --> 00:06:10,244 the next step was to identify the victims, 96 00:06:10,328 --> 00:06:12,955 who they are, and how do they know each other. 97 00:06:13,039 --> 00:06:13,956 [camera clicks] 98 00:06:15,958 --> 00:06:19,212 [Sylvis] There were two unoccupied cars located in the parking lot... 99 00:06:19,295 --> 00:06:20,129 [camera clicks] 100 00:06:20,213 --> 00:06:23,800 [Sylvis] ...which is about a hundred feet from where the victims were found. 101 00:06:24,759 --> 00:06:27,470 We did registration checks on those license plates 102 00:06:27,553 --> 00:06:31,099 and found that the sedan was registered to Kate Brown, 103 00:06:32,809 --> 00:06:35,937 and the SUV was registered to Carnell Sledge. 104 00:06:36,020 --> 00:06:38,022 [pensive music playing] 105 00:06:39,774 --> 00:06:41,484 [distant dog barking] 106 00:06:42,151 --> 00:06:44,821 [indistinct police radio chatter] 107 00:06:47,407 --> 00:06:48,866 [man 1] It was 3:00 a.m., 108 00:06:50,159 --> 00:06:54,080 and I see somebody shining flashlights outside the front of the house. 109 00:06:56,707 --> 00:06:59,377 So we went downstairs, opened the door 110 00:07:00,628 --> 00:07:03,589 to two gentlemen standing on the front step, 111 00:07:04,674 --> 00:07:09,178 {\an8}and they said, "We have some bad news about your daughter Kate." 112 00:07:09,262 --> 00:07:11,764 [inhales, sighs] 113 00:07:16,811 --> 00:07:20,731 [man 2] They identified theyself as the Metropark detectives, 114 00:07:22,066 --> 00:07:26,946 and they showed me a sheet that had Nell's photos on it. 115 00:07:28,364 --> 00:07:30,366 My wife was still asleep. 116 00:07:30,450 --> 00:07:33,369 {\an8}[inhales deeply] So I told 'em, "Come on up to the kitchen," 117 00:07:33,453 --> 00:07:34,829 {\an8}then I went and got her. 118 00:07:38,916 --> 00:07:42,462 And they said that, hey, you know, our son had been murdered. 119 00:07:42,545 --> 00:07:45,798 Him and another girl in the Metroparks. 120 00:07:46,716 --> 00:07:49,552 And I was like, you know, "How would something like that happen?" 121 00:07:51,387 --> 00:07:54,557 [Tom] Then we found out she was with Nell, 122 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,559 and Nell was killed too. 123 00:07:56,642 --> 00:07:58,144 [woman] And now it's a double whammy. 124 00:07:58,227 --> 00:08:01,772 I mean, her good friend Nell was sitting next to her, 125 00:08:01,856 --> 00:08:03,274 and they were both shot. 126 00:08:04,442 --> 00:08:06,194 Uh... What?! 127 00:08:06,277 --> 00:08:09,280 At first, I was like, "You... You sure you got the right kid?" 128 00:08:09,363 --> 00:08:11,491 You know, this is, you know, not my kid. 129 00:08:11,574 --> 00:08:13,951 It was just hard to take... take it in. 130 00:08:15,203 --> 00:08:19,999 And it was just strange because we didn't know Kate. 131 00:08:20,791 --> 00:08:22,627 He has friends that I don't know. 132 00:08:22,710 --> 00:08:24,921 He was private in that way. 133 00:08:26,714 --> 00:08:30,927 [Kim] And the minute the police left, that was the worst, 134 00:08:32,011 --> 00:08:34,805 because we said, "How are we gonna tell the girls?" 135 00:08:34,889 --> 00:08:36,933 "How are we gonna tell her sisters?" 136 00:08:39,852 --> 00:08:41,854 [music fades] 137 00:08:42,396 --> 00:08:44,982 -[woman 1] Christmas 1990. -[Kim] Yeah! 138 00:08:45,066 --> 00:08:46,734 Kate was five. 139 00:08:48,152 --> 00:08:50,363 [Kim] Now you're gonna get your stockings. 140 00:08:50,863 --> 00:08:52,823 [woman 1] Kate's trying to get hers down herself. 141 00:08:52,907 --> 00:08:54,825 -[Tom] Is that Kate? -[Kim] Yeah, that's Kate. 142 00:08:54,909 --> 00:08:56,536 [Tom] That's Kate by the fireplace. 143 00:08:57,036 --> 00:08:58,162 [all laugh] 144 00:08:58,246 --> 00:09:00,498 I got all this makeup stuff! 145 00:09:00,581 --> 00:09:02,959 [all laugh] 146 00:09:06,462 --> 00:09:09,340 [woman 1] Kate was the traditional little sister, 147 00:09:10,091 --> 00:09:12,343 following me around, wanting to try on my clothes, 148 00:09:12,426 --> 00:09:14,804 all of those things that little sisters did. 149 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:18,307 {\an8}We had similar friends, similar interests, 150 00:09:18,808 --> 00:09:22,228 like sports, dance, music. 151 00:09:23,020 --> 00:09:26,148 Nobody else in my life knew me the way that Kate did. 152 00:09:27,358 --> 00:09:29,402 {\an8}She was my protective older sister 153 00:09:29,485 --> 00:09:31,112 and was always on my side. 154 00:09:31,195 --> 00:09:34,282 [attempting posh English accent] There's a purple and pink ant on my nose! 155 00:09:34,365 --> 00:09:35,658 I can't get it off! 156 00:09:36,617 --> 00:09:37,451 Hey! 157 00:09:38,035 --> 00:09:40,121 [Alexandra] She was really, really goofy. 158 00:09:40,663 --> 00:09:41,664 She was weird. 159 00:09:42,415 --> 00:09:44,709 Weird in a good way where it was, um... 160 00:09:44,792 --> 00:09:48,087 You knew when she was in a good mood by her level of goofiness. 161 00:09:49,505 --> 00:09:53,009 {\an8}[Lauren] She was so lighthearted and carefree, 162 00:09:54,302 --> 00:09:59,015 {\an8}but I think the fight between dark and light was a challenge. 163 00:10:00,433 --> 00:10:03,978 [Alexandra] Kate struggled often with depression and anxiety, 164 00:10:05,313 --> 00:10:11,569 and, for years, the only coping mechanism she had was drinking. 165 00:10:13,112 --> 00:10:16,949 But, thankfully, Kate decided to get sober. 166 00:10:18,242 --> 00:10:21,078 She had been on a path of self-discovery for years. 167 00:10:22,496 --> 00:10:23,914 And she had put in the work. 168 00:10:23,998 --> 00:10:28,169 She was happy with her career in marketing for a jewelry company. 169 00:10:28,878 --> 00:10:31,589 So she was just feeling good. She was vibrant. She was happy. 170 00:10:32,632 --> 00:10:35,760 She sent me a picture about a week before she died, 171 00:10:36,302 --> 00:10:40,222 and her comment underneath was, "Stella's got her groove back." 172 00:10:41,682 --> 00:10:45,645 And she had just hung out with Nell the night before she text me. 173 00:10:46,395 --> 00:10:48,397 [intriguing music playing] 174 00:10:48,981 --> 00:10:51,692 Kate and Nell had a really unique friendship. 175 00:10:51,776 --> 00:10:54,487 They had met a decade before, 176 00:10:54,570 --> 00:10:56,489 and it kind of ebbed and flowed. 177 00:10:57,365 --> 00:11:00,785 There came points where Kate would get in a serious relationship, or Nell would, 178 00:11:00,868 --> 00:11:04,080 and they would maybe not communicate as much, 179 00:11:04,163 --> 00:11:07,708 and then, when they were able to again, they would reconnect, 180 00:11:07,792 --> 00:11:10,336 and it was as if no time had passed. 181 00:11:11,003 --> 00:11:12,713 They had that kind of friendship. 182 00:11:19,178 --> 00:11:22,807 [Darlene] His first picture, Carnell was maybe two months old. 183 00:11:22,890 --> 00:11:23,933 [Carl] Right, right. 184 00:11:25,851 --> 00:11:28,979 [Darlene] Look at him. He was so cute! 185 00:11:30,022 --> 00:11:32,358 -He was a great baby. -Yeah. 186 00:11:37,154 --> 00:11:39,782 [Darlene] Nell was special to his family and friends. 187 00:11:40,574 --> 00:11:44,286 I try to think about the good times 'cause we had a lotta good times. 188 00:11:44,370 --> 00:11:46,914 He was a real good kid. 189 00:11:49,250 --> 00:11:50,835 [woman] He's my first grandson. 190 00:11:52,294 --> 00:11:55,089 I loved him from the day I seen him in the crib. 191 00:11:56,298 --> 00:12:00,136 {\an8}And I was just thankful for the 40 years I did have my baby. 192 00:12:00,219 --> 00:12:01,470 {\an8}I'm thankful for that. 193 00:12:04,724 --> 00:12:06,434 {\an8}[man] Carnell was my big brother. 194 00:12:06,517 --> 00:12:08,310 {\an8}He was my role model. 195 00:12:08,394 --> 00:12:12,273 {\an8}And, you know, he's always been a... strong-willed older brother. 196 00:12:12,356 --> 00:12:14,608 {\an8}[chuckles] Passionate and got me into sports. 197 00:12:15,651 --> 00:12:18,529 Carnell was 6'4", 220 lbs. 198 00:12:19,238 --> 00:12:21,198 But not a confrontational guy. 199 00:12:21,282 --> 00:12:22,908 A teddy bear. [chuckles] 200 00:12:22,992 --> 00:12:25,619 Yeah, not a... not a fighter. [chuckles] 201 00:12:27,204 --> 00:12:30,291 He always cared for me, loved me, wanted the best for me, 202 00:12:30,791 --> 00:12:32,835 you know, and I wanted the best for him, 203 00:12:32,918 --> 00:12:37,006 but regardless how big I got, I was always just his little brother. 204 00:12:42,511 --> 00:12:48,350 He was always a person that wanted to help people, even when he was young. 205 00:12:49,977 --> 00:12:52,062 [Darlene] All of his jobs surrounded kids. 206 00:12:53,147 --> 00:12:57,777 He coached children with disabilities, and they would have so much fun. 207 00:12:57,860 --> 00:13:01,030 He was so patient, and they loved him. 208 00:13:01,906 --> 00:13:03,282 [cheering] 209 00:13:03,991 --> 00:13:05,701 [Darlene] They miss him so much. 210 00:13:05,785 --> 00:13:08,788 To this day, they still talk about Carnell. 211 00:13:09,538 --> 00:13:10,414 Yeah. 212 00:13:11,499 --> 00:13:13,667 [tense music playing] 213 00:13:13,751 --> 00:13:17,296 An investigation is underway and a community on edge 214 00:13:17,379 --> 00:13:19,340 after two people were found dead 215 00:13:19,423 --> 00:13:23,219 in the Cleveland Metroparks Rocky River Reservation in Fairview Park. 216 00:13:23,302 --> 00:13:26,722 [man] The Cuyahoga County medical examiner is conducting autopsies today 217 00:13:26,806 --> 00:13:28,682 to shed light on what happened. 218 00:13:28,766 --> 00:13:31,393 Until then, this community is left wondering. 219 00:13:31,477 --> 00:13:33,479 [unsettling music playing] 220 00:13:35,397 --> 00:13:37,817 [Lauren] The Metropark system here in Cleveland 221 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:41,487 is often called the Emerald Necklace because, you know, in Cleveland, 222 00:13:41,570 --> 00:13:45,032 we're surrounded by all these green, luscious, beautiful parks, 223 00:13:45,115 --> 00:13:48,619 and it's not uncommon to see people jogging there, 224 00:13:48,702 --> 00:13:51,372 families pushing their strollers in the parks. 225 00:13:51,455 --> 00:13:53,707 All walks of life visit these parks. 226 00:13:55,084 --> 00:13:58,170 [Kim] Kate's apartment building overlooked the Metroparks, 227 00:13:58,254 --> 00:14:01,006 and she would meet friends down there a lot 228 00:14:01,090 --> 00:14:02,716 because it was beautiful. 229 00:14:03,676 --> 00:14:06,053 [man] It's not like the city of Cleveland, where on a weekend, 230 00:14:06,136 --> 00:14:08,222 you may have eight or nine homicides. 231 00:14:08,722 --> 00:14:11,350 {\an8}In the Metroparks, the last homicide we had 232 00:14:11,433 --> 00:14:15,271 {\an8}prior to the one we're talking about today was 20 years ago. 233 00:14:15,855 --> 00:14:19,650 And where this happened at, uh, there was a lot of traffic going through that day, 234 00:14:19,733 --> 00:14:23,237 so it was really a very strange occurrence. 235 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:24,488 [car door closes] 236 00:14:26,073 --> 00:14:28,200 This is where Kate and Carnell were killed. 237 00:14:28,284 --> 00:14:31,579 You can see the road and the parking lot. 238 00:14:31,662 --> 00:14:33,080 It's in very close proximity 239 00:14:33,163 --> 00:14:35,165 to the bench they were on when they were shot. 240 00:14:35,249 --> 00:14:39,086 Very close to the street, easily seen from traffic passing by. 241 00:14:40,713 --> 00:14:45,426 At five o'clock, there's so much traffic going down that causeway. 242 00:14:45,509 --> 00:14:48,971 I mean, 75 feet from this... from this bench. 243 00:14:50,222 --> 00:14:54,560 How could it happen that nobody heard or saw anything? 244 00:14:55,436 --> 00:14:59,690 That just... To me, that just... It's hard to believe. 245 00:14:59,773 --> 00:15:01,901 [menacing music playing] 246 00:15:01,984 --> 00:15:04,111 [Sylvis] When we arrived at the scene, 247 00:15:04,194 --> 00:15:06,864 there was a man parked in a truck in that parking lot. 248 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,493 We found out that he worked for a roofing company, 249 00:15:11,577 --> 00:15:14,914 and he said he saw Kate and Carnell arrive at the location. 250 00:15:16,373 --> 00:15:18,792 [Awadallah] According to him, he was working on estimates 251 00:15:18,876 --> 00:15:22,046 and writing up work orders when this incident took place. 252 00:15:22,129 --> 00:15:24,506 He reported that he didn't hear the sound of any gunshots 253 00:15:24,590 --> 00:15:26,926 or see any suspicious people in the area. 254 00:15:27,676 --> 00:15:29,511 [Darlene] He heard nothing, he says. 255 00:15:30,137 --> 00:15:31,430 I question that. 256 00:15:33,057 --> 00:15:36,602 Why would you still be working in the park at 5:00 in the afternoon? 257 00:15:36,685 --> 00:15:40,230 And you don't hear a gunshot, several gunshots? 258 00:15:40,314 --> 00:15:41,440 Mm-hmm. 259 00:15:41,523 --> 00:15:44,360 I have told the authorities I question that. 260 00:15:46,528 --> 00:15:49,657 [Sylvis] Small-caliber firearms are much less loud, 261 00:15:50,157 --> 00:15:54,286 and if that weapon was additionally silenced with a suppressor, 262 00:15:54,370 --> 00:15:55,996 it could be very quiet. 263 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,332 So we believe that it's completely possible 264 00:15:58,415 --> 00:16:00,751 that the roofer did not hear the gunshots 265 00:16:00,834 --> 00:16:03,379 from that distance inside of his truck. 266 00:16:04,463 --> 00:16:06,840 He was our first person of interest in this case 267 00:16:06,924 --> 00:16:10,052 because he was there before, during, and after the murders, 268 00:16:10,135 --> 00:16:13,764 but we looked at him extensively from the very beginning. 269 00:16:13,847 --> 00:16:16,350 And through searches of his electronic devices 270 00:16:16,433 --> 00:16:19,728 to include the tablet that he was working on and his cell phone, 271 00:16:19,812 --> 00:16:22,690 we can verify that he was busy doing those tasks 272 00:16:22,773 --> 00:16:25,067 during the time that these murders took place. 273 00:16:25,150 --> 00:16:26,568 [eerie music playing] 274 00:16:28,904 --> 00:16:33,617 Our initial assessment was robbery appears to be a very unlikely motive 275 00:16:33,701 --> 00:16:38,038 because the victims had belongings on their persons and inside their vehicles 276 00:16:38,122 --> 00:16:39,373 that were not taken. 277 00:16:40,666 --> 00:16:42,960 Kate's cell phone was recovered. 278 00:16:44,253 --> 00:16:48,424 Carnell's car contained two cell phones. A work phone and a personal phone, 279 00:16:48,507 --> 00:16:51,510 and also, their wallets were in plain view inside the vehicles, 280 00:16:51,593 --> 00:16:52,970 and those were untouched. 281 00:16:54,388 --> 00:16:57,975 We also found an area of blood on the back of the bench 282 00:16:58,058 --> 00:16:59,977 where the male victim was seated, 283 00:17:00,060 --> 00:17:01,812 and this led us to believe 284 00:17:01,895 --> 00:17:04,356 that the victims were approached and shot from behind. 285 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:05,899 [unsettling music playing] 286 00:17:05,983 --> 00:17:10,029 [Alexandra] What they told us was Nell, he was shot in the back of the head. 287 00:17:10,654 --> 00:17:14,199 When Nell had fallen to the ground, he was shot again in the head. 288 00:17:14,283 --> 00:17:18,620 Kate jumped down to the riverbank, which is about five, six feet 289 00:17:18,704 --> 00:17:21,915 and started running away 290 00:17:21,999 --> 00:17:25,377 and was shot in the back of the head while trying to flee. 291 00:17:26,712 --> 00:17:29,757 The police don't know who the target was, 292 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:34,511 but, because Nell was shot first and twice, 293 00:17:34,595 --> 00:17:38,724 in my mind, that was evidence that he was the target 294 00:17:38,807 --> 00:17:41,852 and could've been trying to protect Kate. 295 00:17:42,895 --> 00:17:45,939 [Sylvis] I think it's most likely that the assailant came 296 00:17:46,023 --> 00:17:48,275 from the street or from that parking lot, 297 00:17:48,358 --> 00:17:51,070 and the escape route could be the same way. 298 00:17:51,945 --> 00:17:56,909 Or it could be through these wooded areas. That's one of the unknowns with this case. 299 00:18:01,288 --> 00:18:04,083 [man] We're about 150, 200 meters 300 00:18:04,166 --> 00:18:08,796 {\an8}to the southwest of where the crime took place 301 00:18:08,879 --> 00:18:10,798 {\an8}underneath the Lorain Avenue Bridge. 302 00:18:12,174 --> 00:18:14,718 Couple hundred meters down the road to the south, uh, 303 00:18:14,802 --> 00:18:19,932 kind of, uh, a gravel pathway hooks up with this main bike, running path. 304 00:18:21,266 --> 00:18:25,854 {\an8}I am the assistant special agent in charge of the FBI Cleveland Field Office. 305 00:18:25,938 --> 00:18:29,817 The FBI typically doesn't work homicide cases 306 00:18:29,900 --> 00:18:31,652 because it's not a federal violation. 307 00:18:32,778 --> 00:18:35,114 But I became familiar with the case 308 00:18:35,197 --> 00:18:37,866 after Cleveland Metroparks asked for our assistance. 309 00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:41,870 This could be a potential avenue of escape 310 00:18:41,954 --> 00:18:46,333 if somebody was on foot or on a bike or something like that. 311 00:18:46,416 --> 00:18:50,462 Could somebody have ran over here after shooting two people 312 00:18:50,546 --> 00:18:53,841 and maybe not been seen and maybe scrambled up the hill? 313 00:18:53,924 --> 00:18:57,386 I mean, there's any number of, um, possibilities. 314 00:19:00,139 --> 00:19:03,559 Every time I think about this case... I get angry. 315 00:19:05,727 --> 00:19:08,438 That could've been any one of us sitting on the park bench 316 00:19:08,522 --> 00:19:10,899 I guess is what makes me the most angry. That the... 317 00:19:10,983 --> 00:19:15,779 the fact that two lives like that were ended, um... for no reason, um... 318 00:19:15,863 --> 00:19:18,365 on such a beautiful day in such a beautiful park. 319 00:19:20,159 --> 00:19:22,953 {\an8}A question we've been getting day after day here at 19 News, 320 00:19:23,036 --> 00:19:25,080 {\an8}what is going on with the investigation 321 00:19:25,164 --> 00:19:28,792 {\an8}into the double murder in the Metroparks Rocky River Reservation? 322 00:19:28,876 --> 00:19:33,088 {\an8}Both victims' family and police are searching for answers. 323 00:19:33,172 --> 00:19:35,174 [intriguing music playing] 324 00:19:35,966 --> 00:19:37,801 [Awadallah] As the investigation developed, 325 00:19:37,885 --> 00:19:40,179 all the parties, the investigating agencies, 326 00:19:40,262 --> 00:19:42,431 had gathered for a strategy session 327 00:19:42,514 --> 00:19:44,975 in order to piece together a timeline 328 00:19:45,058 --> 00:19:48,061 as to what happened that day as fast as possible. 329 00:19:48,145 --> 00:19:51,857 We reviewed surveillance camera footage from Kate's apartment complex. 330 00:19:53,025 --> 00:19:56,737 And in doing so, we found that Kate arrived home from work, 331 00:19:57,237 --> 00:20:01,283 {\an8}and she signed in to a gym that's located on the property 332 00:20:01,366 --> 00:20:03,660 {\an8}to exercise at 3:38 p.m. 333 00:20:05,704 --> 00:20:06,705 [text message alert] 334 00:20:06,788 --> 00:20:08,498 [Sylvis] Cell-phone records reveal 335 00:20:08,582 --> 00:20:13,587 {\an8}that Carnell sent Kate a text message at 4:02 p.m. 336 00:20:13,670 --> 00:20:16,882 {\an8}asking her if she'd like to get together with him at some point. 337 00:20:16,965 --> 00:20:19,801 {\an8}Of course, we don't know why Kate and Carnell were meeting. 338 00:20:19,885 --> 00:20:22,429 I think any coordination was done through voice calls, 339 00:20:22,512 --> 00:20:25,432 which we obviously don't have access to the content of. 340 00:20:26,016 --> 00:20:29,353 {\an8}We know she ultimately places a phone call to him 341 00:20:29,436 --> 00:20:30,896 {\an8}while she's still at the gym, 342 00:20:31,396 --> 00:20:33,941 {\an8}and that phone call lasted for about ten minutes. 343 00:20:34,024 --> 00:20:36,276 {\an8}[downbeat music playing] 344 00:20:37,361 --> 00:20:39,780 {\an8}[Sylvis] Carnell left work at 4:24 p.m., 345 00:20:41,323 --> 00:20:45,118 {\an8}and Kate signed out of her gym at 4:31 p.m. 346 00:20:46,245 --> 00:20:47,120 [keys jangle] 347 00:20:47,829 --> 00:20:48,747 [engine starts] 348 00:20:48,830 --> 00:20:52,793 [Sylvis] And at that point, both of them headed towards the park. 349 00:21:00,968 --> 00:21:04,137 One of our officers was running radar along the side of the road 350 00:21:04,221 --> 00:21:05,931 about a mile from the crime scene. 351 00:21:08,308 --> 00:21:11,478 And that officer's dashboard camera captured a vehicle 352 00:21:11,561 --> 00:21:13,563 {\an8}that appears to be Kate's car 353 00:21:13,647 --> 00:21:17,651 {\an8}traveling along the parkway towards the crime scene at 5:01 p.m. 354 00:21:19,444 --> 00:21:22,864 {\an8}At 5:03 p.m., Carnell's car is seen 355 00:21:22,948 --> 00:21:25,826 {\an8}passing that same police cruiser on the dashboard camera 356 00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:28,078 {\an8}also headed towards the crime scene. 357 00:21:31,373 --> 00:21:34,251 We believe they arrived there in about two minutes... 358 00:21:36,670 --> 00:21:37,963 parked at the scene, 359 00:21:39,506 --> 00:21:43,260 and sat on the park bench... together. 360 00:21:46,722 --> 00:21:49,683 But one of the biggest challenges in this case 361 00:21:49,766 --> 00:21:53,353 is still we don't know why they were meeting that day. 362 00:21:53,979 --> 00:21:55,981 [unsettling music playing] 363 00:21:57,024 --> 00:21:59,026 [Lauren] That's the million-dollar question. 364 00:22:00,485 --> 00:22:01,987 Why did they meet that day? 365 00:22:05,157 --> 00:22:07,034 [Terrance] What was the meeting for? 366 00:22:07,617 --> 00:22:09,953 Has this been happening a lot more 367 00:22:10,704 --> 00:22:12,581 and nobody knew about it? 368 00:22:12,664 --> 00:22:15,375 Or was this just a one-time occurrence? 369 00:22:16,793 --> 00:22:19,171 [Darlene] I believe it was a last-minute meetup. 370 00:22:19,671 --> 00:22:20,881 I do. 371 00:22:20,964 --> 00:22:25,635 But I also believe he was there to help her in some kinda way. 372 00:22:26,428 --> 00:22:29,765 [Kim] When things were tough for Kate, she'd look to Carnell, 373 00:22:29,848 --> 00:22:32,976 and, likewise, when Carnell was struggling with something, 374 00:22:33,060 --> 00:22:35,062 he'd get in contact with Kate. 375 00:22:35,145 --> 00:22:35,979 That's right. 376 00:22:37,939 --> 00:22:41,860 [Alexandra] When this first happened, I imagined Kate reaching out to Nell 377 00:22:41,943 --> 00:22:44,488 because she needed a friend that day. 378 00:22:46,031 --> 00:22:48,700 But if it was Nell that wanted to meet up, 379 00:22:49,409 --> 00:22:52,454 I would guess that he had something important to tell her 380 00:22:52,537 --> 00:22:54,289 about their relationship. 381 00:22:54,373 --> 00:22:57,084 That he wished they could be more than friends. 382 00:22:58,377 --> 00:23:00,170 Kate had told me about a month or two before 383 00:23:00,253 --> 00:23:03,882 that he said, you know, "Kate, one day we're gonna end up together." 384 00:23:05,467 --> 00:23:06,843 So, in my mind, 385 00:23:08,303 --> 00:23:11,473 it could've possibly have been another conversation like that. 386 00:23:11,556 --> 00:23:12,516 [music fades] 387 00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:15,852 I just don't know what could've been so important 388 00:23:15,936 --> 00:23:17,979 that they had to meet in person. 389 00:23:18,063 --> 00:23:19,439 It didn't make sense to me. 390 00:23:19,523 --> 00:23:21,483 [ominous music playing] 391 00:23:21,566 --> 00:23:25,445 Because Nell had made plans for a family dinner that day 392 00:23:25,529 --> 00:23:28,323 for five o'clock at his grandma's house. 393 00:23:28,990 --> 00:23:33,703 And the Rocky River Metropark is the west side of Cleveland, 394 00:23:34,246 --> 00:23:36,706 so it was kinda going out of his way 395 00:23:36,790 --> 00:23:39,501 to go to the Metropark from work 396 00:23:39,584 --> 00:23:41,211 and then back to Grandma's, 397 00:23:42,546 --> 00:23:43,797 southeast side. 398 00:23:44,548 --> 00:23:47,634 It seems if it were not so important, 399 00:23:47,717 --> 00:23:49,678 he could've went after dinner. 400 00:23:51,596 --> 00:23:54,599 Something made him go before dinner. 401 00:23:57,310 --> 00:24:01,022 [Posey] My thinking is he was gonna go, and maybe after he'd see her for a while, 402 00:24:01,106 --> 00:24:03,567 then call me, tell me, "Grandma, I'm on my way now." 403 00:24:04,651 --> 00:24:06,445 {\an8}But he didn't get a chance 404 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,489 {\an8}'cause as soon as he got there, it happened. 405 00:24:09,573 --> 00:24:11,575 [eerie music playing] 406 00:24:15,579 --> 00:24:18,540 {\an8}[Sylvis] Kate unlocked and checked her phone at 5:08 p.m. 407 00:24:19,749 --> 00:24:23,003 {\an8}A time that we know her and Carnell to be at the park. 408 00:24:24,171 --> 00:24:28,008 {\an8}The 911 call was received at 5:22 p.m. 409 00:24:29,092 --> 00:24:31,636 {\an8}So we know within that 14-minute time span, 410 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,307 {\an8}the assailant approached Kate and Carnell as they sat on the park bench, 411 00:24:35,807 --> 00:24:38,810 {\an8}fired three shots at close range, and killed them both. 412 00:24:41,688 --> 00:24:44,107 [Awadallah] The biggest mystery for law enforcement 413 00:24:44,191 --> 00:24:46,067 is why were they killed? 414 00:24:46,818 --> 00:24:50,739 Is this a personal attack? A crime of passion? 415 00:24:51,615 --> 00:24:55,035 {\an8}Who was the target here? Was it Carnell? Was it Kate? 416 00:24:55,118 --> 00:24:56,620 {\an8}Was this a stranger? 417 00:24:58,038 --> 00:25:01,541 Those are some of the things that this investigation struggled with. 418 00:25:02,334 --> 00:25:04,961 [Sylvis] Neither of the victims had significant assets, 419 00:25:05,045 --> 00:25:06,713 feuds, or criminal histories 420 00:25:06,796 --> 00:25:09,716 that led to an obvious motive in this case. 421 00:25:11,801 --> 00:25:15,847 [Alexandra] In the very beginning, I thought it was possibly a hate crime. 422 00:25:16,348 --> 00:25:19,518 Judging by the way that the murder had happened 423 00:25:20,101 --> 00:25:23,396 and the level of brazenness it required. 424 00:25:23,897 --> 00:25:26,149 {\an8}[man] Hate crimes in Cleveland, they are skyrocketing, 425 00:25:26,233 --> 00:25:28,568 {\an8}and it does not matter the motivation. 426 00:25:28,652 --> 00:25:32,364 {\an8}Hate crimes over race, ethnicity, religions, sexual orientation, 427 00:25:32,447 --> 00:25:33,823 {\an8}they're all on the rise. 428 00:25:34,449 --> 00:25:36,535 {\an8}[Tom] I was told by one of the detectives 429 00:25:36,618 --> 00:25:41,081 {\an8}there's over 30 hate groups based in that area. 430 00:25:41,164 --> 00:25:44,918 It wouldn't take much for somebody driving to the park, 431 00:25:45,001 --> 00:25:47,254 sees a white girl and a Black guy, 432 00:25:47,337 --> 00:25:50,632 and has a gun in his car, and doesn't like the looks of what he's seeing, 433 00:25:50,715 --> 00:25:53,677 and pulls over, and... hey. 434 00:25:54,844 --> 00:25:57,055 I believe that that's possible. 435 00:25:57,138 --> 00:26:00,517 Certain areas are more prejudiced than others. 436 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,395 Not saying that everyone in Rocky River's prejudiced, 437 00:26:04,479 --> 00:26:08,733 but there is prejudice... everywhere. 438 00:26:09,568 --> 00:26:12,279 [Krajek] It's certainly a theory, but we need to have evidence 439 00:26:12,362 --> 00:26:13,363 that supports that. 440 00:26:13,863 --> 00:26:16,408 {\an8}Also, we don't wanna, I guess, turn a blind eye 441 00:26:16,491 --> 00:26:20,579 {\an8}to other potential theories and just say it's only a hate crime. 442 00:26:20,662 --> 00:26:24,541 It could be a random act of violence that had nothing to do with race. 443 00:26:24,624 --> 00:26:29,671 There was a theory that began to surface that it could've been gang related. 444 00:26:29,754 --> 00:26:31,756 [unsettling music playing] 445 00:26:32,382 --> 00:26:34,593 [Krajek] Could it have been a gang initiation? 446 00:26:35,385 --> 00:26:37,762 Could've, but, as far as gangs go, 447 00:26:38,763 --> 00:26:42,058 they will maybe commit a crime to get into the gang. 448 00:26:42,142 --> 00:26:42,976 [tires screech] 449 00:26:43,059 --> 00:26:47,522 {\an8}[Krajek] But it's rarely on an innocent person or persons. 450 00:26:47,606 --> 00:26:49,816 It's usually in furtherance of the gang. 451 00:26:49,899 --> 00:26:52,485 Um, like they'll target a rival gang member 452 00:26:52,569 --> 00:26:55,280 on the rival gang member's turf, so to speak. 453 00:26:55,989 --> 00:26:58,491 Is it impossible? No, it's not impossible. 454 00:26:58,575 --> 00:27:00,285 We would never rule anything out. 455 00:27:00,869 --> 00:27:03,622 [Terrance] I just don't think a gang would do this. Um... 456 00:27:03,705 --> 00:27:06,207 {\an8}I don't think it was random. I really don't. 457 00:27:07,042 --> 00:27:08,752 I do think this was intentional. 458 00:27:09,836 --> 00:27:11,796 Somebody really wanted both of them dead. 459 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:18,637 [Lauren] What I believe is that one of them was followed 460 00:27:19,220 --> 00:27:23,683 {\an8}because authorities think that they were killed sometime after 5:08, 461 00:27:23,767 --> 00:27:28,396 {\an8}and the people who found their bodies called 911 at 5:22. 462 00:27:29,356 --> 00:27:31,816 {\an8}So that's a very short time window 463 00:27:31,900 --> 00:27:33,485 {\an8}for somebody to be... 464 00:27:34,069 --> 00:27:37,030 {\an8}just happen to be there and decide they're going to do this. 465 00:27:37,113 --> 00:27:39,115 [tense music playing] 466 00:27:42,077 --> 00:27:46,289 [Darlene] After the murder, I thought of everyone differently. 467 00:27:47,290 --> 00:27:48,750 It could be someone we know. 468 00:27:49,417 --> 00:27:51,795 It could be someone Kate's family knows. 469 00:27:53,755 --> 00:27:58,551 [Awadallah] Victimology is very important in any homicide investigation. 470 00:27:58,635 --> 00:28:02,639 Who is around the victims in terms of friends, family, associates? 471 00:28:03,473 --> 00:28:06,101 And is there anybody that wished them harm? 472 00:28:06,643 --> 00:28:07,894 Was there a stalking issue? 473 00:28:07,977 --> 00:28:10,480 Was there threats in the past that need to be vetted? 474 00:28:11,356 --> 00:28:12,816 [Sylvis] We're looking for somebody 475 00:28:12,899 --> 00:28:16,695 that would have a desire to kill one or both of them, 476 00:28:16,778 --> 00:28:19,406 somebody that has access to a firearm, 477 00:28:19,489 --> 00:28:21,491 and somebody that would have the opportunity 478 00:28:21,574 --> 00:28:24,703 to encounter them at the park to carry out this crime. 479 00:28:25,704 --> 00:28:28,415 Everyone was a suspect after he died. 480 00:28:28,498 --> 00:28:29,749 [downbeat music playing] 481 00:28:29,833 --> 00:28:31,042 Everyone. 482 00:28:32,669 --> 00:28:35,672 Including Alyssa, his ex-girlfriend. 483 00:28:37,257 --> 00:28:39,092 Because I didn't know her long. 484 00:28:40,343 --> 00:28:45,140 [Alexandra] We started hearing stories filtering in of an ex-girlfriend of Nell's 485 00:28:45,724 --> 00:28:48,101 that we found abnormal. 486 00:28:49,811 --> 00:28:52,480 There were displayed behaviors at his funeral. 487 00:28:53,231 --> 00:28:56,776 Over-the-top expression of grief and emotion, 488 00:28:56,860 --> 00:28:59,904 things that were obvious to other people as odd. 489 00:29:00,655 --> 00:29:04,743 And we were told from one of Nell's very close friends 490 00:29:04,826 --> 00:29:08,121 that his ex-girlfriend had a concealed-carry permit. 491 00:29:09,372 --> 00:29:12,041 That was the first tip where we fixed our focus 492 00:29:12,125 --> 00:29:14,377 and started looking a little bit more at her. 493 00:29:15,378 --> 00:29:16,629 [music fades] 494 00:29:16,713 --> 00:29:18,715 [brooding music playing] 495 00:29:19,632 --> 00:29:22,927 [woman] My relationship with Nell was hard to define. 496 00:29:25,805 --> 00:29:31,311 We had started talking online about one year before he was killed. 497 00:29:33,104 --> 00:29:37,358 {\an8}And when we met, it was like he... I'd known him for my whole life. 498 00:29:40,195 --> 00:29:42,739 We dated for about six months 499 00:29:42,822 --> 00:29:48,912 and decided that we were better as friends for the time being, but... 500 00:29:50,413 --> 00:29:51,956 [softly] ...it's complicated. 501 00:29:55,502 --> 00:29:57,295 A month before he was shot, 502 00:29:57,796 --> 00:30:01,716 we started talking again, and we got closer and closer, 503 00:30:02,383 --> 00:30:04,052 and we were gonna get back together. 504 00:30:05,845 --> 00:30:10,558 {\an8}The last time I saw him was Saturday, the weekend before he was killed, 505 00:30:10,642 --> 00:30:13,937 {\an8}but we texted the day that he was killed, 506 00:30:14,020 --> 00:30:17,649 and the last text I got from him was around 3:00 p.m. 507 00:30:18,817 --> 00:30:22,987 He was asking how I was 'cause I had had a... tough day. 508 00:30:23,071 --> 00:30:24,948 So I texted him later that evening. 509 00:30:26,157 --> 00:30:29,118 And I said, "No worries. It's in the past." 510 00:30:29,619 --> 00:30:31,162 And I never heard back. 511 00:30:35,583 --> 00:30:41,214 I saw what happened online on the morning of June 5th 512 00:30:41,297 --> 00:30:44,092 when one of his cousins posted a picture. 513 00:30:44,717 --> 00:30:48,638 It's like my heart dropped to the floor, and I was just in denial, 514 00:30:49,639 --> 00:30:50,682 disbelief. 515 00:30:53,810 --> 00:30:56,062 When the murder happened, I was at work, 516 00:30:56,729 --> 00:30:59,023 and I hadn't left until later that evening. 517 00:31:01,317 --> 00:31:05,280 But I did talk to detectives quite a bit afterwards. 518 00:31:05,905 --> 00:31:09,617 They did ask for my weapon, and I understand that. 519 00:31:10,910 --> 00:31:14,581 [Sylvis] We did take a very close look at Carnell's ex-girlfriend. 520 00:31:14,664 --> 00:31:16,249 She had a verifiable alibi 521 00:31:16,332 --> 00:31:19,794 that put her nowhere near the crime scene when these murders occurred. 522 00:31:19,878 --> 00:31:22,046 She was very cooperative in the investigation 523 00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:23,673 and turned that weapon over to us, 524 00:31:23,756 --> 00:31:25,967 and it was found not to be the murder weapon. 525 00:31:26,050 --> 00:31:28,052 [unsettling music playing] 526 00:31:28,845 --> 00:31:31,389 [Miller] I can only guess what happened that day 527 00:31:31,472 --> 00:31:35,894 because I didn't know anything about Kate and Nell's friendship. 528 00:31:35,977 --> 00:31:39,272 But I'm thinking it would've been somebody that Kate knew 529 00:31:39,355 --> 00:31:42,775 because I cannot imagine anyone wanting to hurt Nell. 530 00:31:42,859 --> 00:31:44,277 He was such a gentle soul. 531 00:31:46,404 --> 00:31:48,323 I guess I'm biased 'cause I'm Nell's brother, 532 00:31:48,406 --> 00:31:51,743 but I don't think it was him or someone he knew. 533 00:31:52,452 --> 00:31:54,996 And I don't wanna point the blame at Kate, 534 00:31:56,122 --> 00:31:59,542 but... I really think there was something 535 00:31:59,626 --> 00:32:02,378 or someone that maybe had an issue with her. 536 00:32:03,046 --> 00:32:06,758 It was one of those situations where we were, again, grasping at straws. 537 00:32:08,885 --> 00:32:11,596 I went on my own investigation 538 00:32:12,305 --> 00:32:15,558 to dig as deeply as I could in Kate's life. 539 00:32:17,393 --> 00:32:19,646 Going through her stuff after she died, 540 00:32:20,313 --> 00:32:24,692 {\an8}it was the most intense thing I've ever had to do. 541 00:32:28,571 --> 00:32:31,616 [Lauren] In the months before her death, Kate had lost all this weight, 542 00:32:31,699 --> 00:32:33,368 and she was feeling really confident 543 00:32:33,451 --> 00:32:36,079 and wanting to get out into the dating world again. 544 00:32:36,663 --> 00:32:40,750 She hadn't been in a serious relationship in a long time, hadn't dated, 545 00:32:40,833 --> 00:32:44,754 and so she was kinda stepping out into that world again. 546 00:32:44,837 --> 00:32:47,090 A very new world of online dating. 547 00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:48,883 She was on Tinder, 548 00:32:49,384 --> 00:32:52,345 and she was meeting up with a couple different people every now and then 549 00:32:52,428 --> 00:32:54,097 for different types of dates. 550 00:32:54,973 --> 00:32:55,890 [ringing tone] 551 00:32:55,974 --> 00:32:59,519 [Alexandra] The Friday before Kate died, she was communicating with this person, 552 00:32:59,602 --> 00:33:01,312 met him through a typical dating app... 553 00:33:01,396 --> 00:33:02,438 [tense music playing] 554 00:33:02,522 --> 00:33:06,442 [Alexandra] ...and she met up with him on a date. 555 00:33:07,610 --> 00:33:11,030 [Lauren] She just had this feeling about this person, 556 00:33:11,698 --> 00:33:13,282 that something was off. 557 00:33:13,866 --> 00:33:16,369 She described his eyes looking black. 558 00:33:18,037 --> 00:33:21,833 She didn't feel safe, so she left... 559 00:33:24,377 --> 00:33:26,045 and then, later that weekend, 560 00:33:27,922 --> 00:33:33,011 found out that he had killed someone a decade before. 561 00:33:34,512 --> 00:33:36,556 [Alexandra] The murder that he was a part of 562 00:33:36,639 --> 00:33:38,808 was extremely disturbing. 563 00:33:39,684 --> 00:33:43,771 He and his brother had stabbed a person and then set the body on fire. 564 00:33:44,272 --> 00:33:47,233 Kate was pretty frantic about it. 565 00:33:47,316 --> 00:33:49,527 Said, you know, "I can't believe this." 566 00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:52,196 "I don't know why I didn't look this up sooner." 567 00:33:54,157 --> 00:33:56,993 And I remember her text message specifically said to me, 568 00:33:57,076 --> 00:33:58,494 "I feel sick right now." 569 00:34:01,330 --> 00:34:03,916 They never saw each other again, to my knowledge. 570 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,209 [music fades] 571 00:34:06,294 --> 00:34:09,047 Police told us that he had an alibi. 572 00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:13,760 He was down in southern Ohio when Kate and Nell were killed. 573 00:34:17,013 --> 00:34:19,015 [eerie music playing] 574 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,309 [Tom] There was another man 575 00:34:22,143 --> 00:34:25,897 who she had dated for, I think, a year, a year and a half maybe. 576 00:34:26,522 --> 00:34:28,983 She'd broke it off with this young man, 577 00:34:30,234 --> 00:34:34,030 but I don't think he wanted to take no for an answer. 578 00:34:35,406 --> 00:34:38,493 [Lauren] They had a very troubled relationship, 579 00:34:39,077 --> 00:34:40,953 and he was abusive. 580 00:34:41,913 --> 00:34:46,542 Everybody was aware that he was violent and had a violent history with her. 581 00:34:47,376 --> 00:34:52,465 They had thankfully broken up a few years before she died, 582 00:34:52,548 --> 00:34:57,053 but Kate, being a creature of... of habit, 583 00:34:57,595 --> 00:35:00,598 she would continuously see him secretly. 584 00:35:01,390 --> 00:35:03,142 And then I found out 585 00:35:03,226 --> 00:35:06,646 he was with Kate the night before she died. 586 00:35:07,897 --> 00:35:11,317 The police had told me that, at Kate's apartment, 587 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,319 there were video cameras 588 00:35:13,402 --> 00:35:15,947 that saw him coming and leaving that night. 589 00:35:16,697 --> 00:35:20,618 And I pictured the ex-boyfriend showing up the next day 590 00:35:21,619 --> 00:35:22,787 when she left the gym, 591 00:35:23,913 --> 00:35:27,375 them getting in the typical fight that they had always gotten into, 592 00:35:28,167 --> 00:35:32,672 and Kate leaving, and him following her to the park. 593 00:35:34,298 --> 00:35:36,384 Because, if she had denied him, 594 00:35:36,467 --> 00:35:40,972 if she had severed the relationship, you know, again, 595 00:35:41,055 --> 00:35:42,557 he would wanna retaliate. 596 00:35:44,767 --> 00:35:48,604 [Lauren] Police determined that he was at a barber shop 597 00:35:48,688 --> 00:35:51,190 at the time that Nell and Kate were killed. 598 00:35:52,441 --> 00:35:55,403 Whether they have video footage of that or not, I don't know. 599 00:35:57,446 --> 00:36:01,284 [Kim] The theory of a jealous boyfriend makes sense. 600 00:36:02,785 --> 00:36:06,038 Jealousy, when it rears its ugly head... 601 00:36:06,122 --> 00:36:07,790 who knows? 602 00:36:07,874 --> 00:36:11,794 And whoever did this was very brazen. 603 00:36:11,878 --> 00:36:14,839 Was it insanity? Was it a psychopath? 604 00:36:14,922 --> 00:36:16,966 Was it rage? Was it jealousy? 605 00:36:17,717 --> 00:36:21,679 I went over it and over it and over it, day after day after day. 606 00:36:22,471 --> 00:36:24,724 It just doesn't make any sense. 607 00:36:24,807 --> 00:36:28,352 {\an8}Now tonight, a new effort to bring justice to the Brown family, 608 00:36:28,436 --> 00:36:31,314 {\an8}and investigators are hoping money talks. 609 00:36:31,397 --> 00:36:36,444 {\an8}They are adding $70,000 to the already $30,000 in reward money, 610 00:36:36,527 --> 00:36:39,906 {\an8}bringing the total now to $100,000. 611 00:36:39,989 --> 00:36:44,911 {\an8}We are here today at this press conference to plead with anyone who has information 612 00:36:44,994 --> 00:36:46,662 {\an8}to please come forward. 613 00:36:49,290 --> 00:36:51,542 [Tom] We raised the reward money. 614 00:36:53,544 --> 00:36:56,589 And we thought, "Oh my God, somebody's gotta!" 615 00:36:56,672 --> 00:36:59,175 "If they know anything, they're gonna come forward." 616 00:36:59,675 --> 00:37:01,385 [inhales] But no. 617 00:37:01,886 --> 00:37:03,387 The case started to go cold. 618 00:37:08,851 --> 00:37:12,271 [Alexandra] In the beginning, I feel like we had more hope 619 00:37:12,355 --> 00:37:15,233 and there was better communication 'cause everything was fresh. 620 00:37:15,316 --> 00:37:17,860 {\an8}Our investigators continue to work doggedly, 621 00:37:18,361 --> 00:37:20,905 {\an8}pursuing new leads and following the evidence, 622 00:37:20,988 --> 00:37:26,327 which will lead, one day, to the door of the person or persons responsible. 623 00:37:27,078 --> 00:37:29,497 [Lauren] But then the longer time went on, 624 00:37:30,957 --> 00:37:35,253 you started to question what had been done, what hadn't been done. 625 00:37:35,336 --> 00:37:37,922 Do I think some people dropped the ball? Of course. 626 00:37:39,465 --> 00:37:44,553 And it frustrates me because nobody's being held accountable. 627 00:37:44,637 --> 00:37:47,098 I never thought it would have taken this long 628 00:37:47,181 --> 00:37:49,850 in order to get justice. 629 00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:51,769 [unsettling music playing] 630 00:37:51,852 --> 00:37:52,728 Yeah. 631 00:37:53,437 --> 00:37:59,402 There are some really hard... resentful feelings 632 00:37:59,485 --> 00:38:01,612 as far as law enforcement's concerned. 633 00:38:03,614 --> 00:38:08,661 We had signs we put up down in the park asking for tips 634 00:38:08,744 --> 00:38:10,955 {\an8}that they made us take down. 635 00:38:11,539 --> 00:38:14,500 {\an8}These aren't signs for a graduation party. 636 00:38:14,583 --> 00:38:19,130 These are signs that are down here trying to... to stir up tips! 637 00:38:19,213 --> 00:38:24,760 Maybe that one lead that would lead... to gettin' this solved. 638 00:38:25,761 --> 00:38:30,224 {\an8}It was upsetting, and it was also one of the last glimmers of hope 639 00:38:30,308 --> 00:38:32,018 {\an8}that we were doing something. 640 00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:36,063 [Lauren] I think the Metroparks wanted to take the signs down 641 00:38:36,147 --> 00:38:38,899 because they wanted people to feel safe in their parks. 642 00:38:39,608 --> 00:38:42,695 But if a crime like this could be committed, 643 00:38:42,778 --> 00:38:44,572 they clearly are not safe. 644 00:38:45,614 --> 00:38:48,784 We certainly use every tool in the toolbox. 645 00:38:50,453 --> 00:38:53,456 We've submitted the case to our behavioral-analysis unit 646 00:38:53,956 --> 00:38:55,499 down at FBI Headquarters. 647 00:38:56,375 --> 00:38:59,879 And we've used the FBI's Violent Criminal Apprehension Program. 648 00:39:00,463 --> 00:39:02,298 Every potential suspect, 649 00:39:02,381 --> 00:39:05,593 no matter how crazy the lead is or the tip is, 650 00:39:05,676 --> 00:39:08,721 we have run every single one down. 651 00:39:09,305 --> 00:39:10,765 We think about it every day. 652 00:39:11,265 --> 00:39:14,268 We're not giving up, and we need help with the public 653 00:39:14,352 --> 00:39:16,479 and maybe a little bit of luck on our side. 654 00:39:18,189 --> 00:39:21,567 [Sylvis] We haven't put the case down since June 4th of 2019, 655 00:39:21,650 --> 00:39:26,530 and we won't until the person or people responsible are brought to justice. 656 00:39:27,323 --> 00:39:30,576 [Alexandra] Law enforcement has said that they have done everything they can 657 00:39:30,659 --> 00:39:35,498 to vet every single suspect or person of interest that they had, 658 00:39:35,581 --> 00:39:37,833 and they just don't know who did this. 659 00:39:38,709 --> 00:39:40,419 So I look at it like, 660 00:39:41,045 --> 00:39:43,714 get the story out there, get people talking about it again 661 00:39:43,798 --> 00:39:46,258 because it's just... it's stagnant. 662 00:39:46,342 --> 00:39:48,302 [poignant music playing] 663 00:39:51,013 --> 00:39:53,724 [Darlene] Six months before the murder, 664 00:39:54,934 --> 00:39:58,396 I had a dream that Nell had been shot. 665 00:40:00,314 --> 00:40:03,275 I don't know if God was preparing me for what was to come, 666 00:40:05,111 --> 00:40:06,278 but he's gone. 667 00:40:09,782 --> 00:40:11,575 [voice breaking] It shouldn't have happened. 668 00:40:11,659 --> 00:40:14,328 -Yeah, it shouldn't have. -It shouldn't have happened. 669 00:40:19,166 --> 00:40:23,379 [Lauren] I don't think I'll ever be able to make sense of what happened. 670 00:40:25,714 --> 00:40:27,299 [tearfully] I miss her so much. 671 00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:33,389 [Posey] It still don't seem real. 672 00:40:33,973 --> 00:40:35,349 And I know it's real. 673 00:40:36,350 --> 00:40:39,937 Being the matriarch of the family, I'm supposed to be strong 674 00:40:40,020 --> 00:40:42,982 and tell the rest of 'em to be strong as well, 675 00:40:44,066 --> 00:40:46,318 and not... and not to give up. 676 00:40:48,112 --> 00:40:50,322 [Darlene] I believe that this person believes 677 00:40:50,406 --> 00:40:52,199 that they've got away with murder. 678 00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:54,493 But it's not over. 679 00:40:55,244 --> 00:40:57,371 Someone knows what happened. 680 00:40:57,997 --> 00:41:00,583 Why they won't come forward, I don't know, 681 00:41:01,083 --> 00:41:04,211 but I pray that this is revealed. 682 00:41:05,171 --> 00:41:07,631 [Alexandra] By finding the person that did this, 683 00:41:07,715 --> 00:41:11,719 I'll know that that person can't inflict this on someone else, 684 00:41:12,303 --> 00:41:16,307 and they'll have to live with knowing the wreckage they caused to our lives. 685 00:41:17,183 --> 00:41:19,310 We will always be here, 686 00:41:19,393 --> 00:41:23,898 looking and trying to figure out who you are and why you did this. 687 00:41:36,785 --> 00:41:38,787 [music fades] 688 00:41:43,959 --> 00:41:45,961 [closing theme music playing] 55516

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