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‐[door opens]
‐[phone ringing]
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What’s the problem, Henry?
You sounded panicked.
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We received
a federal court order
this morning.
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Certified
to the city council.
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A court order. For what?
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Some Green Bay parents,
together with the NAACP,
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filed an action
for desegregation last spring.
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They included a busing plan
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for Green Bay kids
to go to Windsor schools.
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So, what’s that got to do
with us?
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Well, the judge ruled yesterday,
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he liked the plan,
except for Windsor.
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He thought their schools
couldn’t handle it, so...
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he decided on Rome.
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‐What?
‐What?
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Our school district
crosses into Brown County,
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we’re eligible.
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The judge
wants it done immediately
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because we’re beginning
a school term.
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What are you saying?
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Starting on Monday,
400 Black students
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are being bused here
from Green Bay.
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Well, can,
can we handle this economically?
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It isn’t just economics.
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The kids to be bused
come from a gang area.
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There’s a budding gang problem
in Green Bay and these...
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kids are the kids in question.
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I think it’s not as much
about desegregation
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as it is getting rid
of the troublemakers.
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They want to ship out
the bad element.
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And ship it to Rome.
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[theme music playing]
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[indistinct arguing]
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Of course we do not
question the lobby.
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[Jimmy]
Quiet, quiet.
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‐Calm down!
‐We really need a mayor.
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Hold on, hold on.
We got an election in a month.
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The City Council
can handle this.
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‐[man 1] We can’t
wait that long.
‐[man 2] We need a mayor.
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Ellen McGrath
is a ranking council member
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but she’s been inactive.
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Henry, you do it.
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Well, I’ve got
an Episcopalian conference
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this weekend‐‐
I’m the key note speaker.
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I leave for Las Vegas
in two hours.
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‐Michael?
‐Not a chance.
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[chuckles] Forget it.
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Well, nobody wants it. Maybe we
should just give it to Wambaugh.
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‐What?
‐[others disagreeing]
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Well, somebody’s gotta do it.
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Well, how about you, Jill?
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Me? No, no, I...
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I’m not even a member
of the City Council,
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I’m only here as a member
of the school committee.
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‐How about co‐mayors?
‐[Michael] What?
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Yeah, two people.
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They work together.
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‐And it’s only temporary
for one month.
‐[Michael] For who?
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Which two?
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Well, Jill and Jason.
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‐Me?
‐No, why‐‐
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Look, you just
split the duties, okay?
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Oh, I’m a doctor. I can’t.
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You’re also trusted by the town.
Both of you.
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You’ve done a great job
on the city council, Jason.
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‐I am not a mayor.
I have a medical practice.
‐No, I...
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I don’t want the job.
It’s bad luck.
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Nobody wants the job,
but this is a crisis.
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‐We need you.
‐This is, this is busing.
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Think about the children.
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It’s only for a month.
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[clears throat]
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[sighs] All right, I’ll do it...
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if you will.
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All right. Well, just until
this busing thing
is over, though.
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Then I’m out.
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[Kenny] Look at this.
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[Max gasps]
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[indistinct conversations]
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Oh, my God.
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[Kenny] There’s even a fold out.
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Oh. Oh, no.
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‐Oh, I feel sick.
‐See this one.
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Did you pose for this smut rag?
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[gasps] No.
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Well, I‐I mean, I posed,
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but they’re supposed to be
private pictures for myself,
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not for a magazine.
How did they get in there?
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The photographer
must have sold them.
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Oh, my father’s gonna see this.
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‐Max, everyone’s gonna see this.
‐[Maxine groans]
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And it gets even worse or better
depending on your point of view.
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[coughs, retches]
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[inhales sharply] Oh.
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‐[Kimberly] Are you sick?
‐[Douglas] Mmm.
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‐Should I call an ambulance?
‐No.
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‐[Douglas] Oh.
‐What’s wrong?
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I filed an appeal
with the State Supreme Court
on Brian Latham‐‐
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the unconstitutional confession,
you know.
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And did they rule already?
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No, they refused to rule.
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Instead they certified it
for immediate appeal
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to the US Supreme Court.
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And?
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The Supreme Court
granted us certiorari.
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Just like that, they grant cert.
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What does that mean?
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Hey, did you hear?
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‐Did I hear?
‐Hear what? I haven’t heard.
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This case is going
to the Supreme Court.
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You and I are going to argue
before the Supreme Court.
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[Douglas]
Ah. [chuckles] Oh.
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I should, should be upset
of, of...
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I’m supposed to wish
there’d be no appeal, but...
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I never thought
I’d see the day.
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You and I are going
to the Supreme Court
of the United States, baby!
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[both laughing]
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I have no jurisdiction
over a federal court order.
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Yes. Yes, of course,
we understand that, Your Honor.
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But if you will give us
a state court injunction,
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that should at least enable us
to get some immediate
appellate review.
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We have nothing
against desegregation.
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So long as they don’t
try it in Rome.
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No, no, that isn’t it,
Your Honor.
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It isn’t that we don’t want
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a Black student population
in our schools.
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You’re just concerned
for those Black youngsters.
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You want
to be ready to give them
the best education possible.
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All we’re saying is
let’s not rush it.
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People are going to react
to this.
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It’s on account
of it’s suddenness.
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On account of the suddenness.
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And a delay
will allow us to accomplish
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the desegregation
in the most peaceful manner.
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Mm‐hmm.
Which would be the best thing
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‐for those Black students.
‐[Franklin] Exactly.
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So, you give us the injunction,
we take it to federal court‐‐
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I won’t give it to you.
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Your Honor, all we’re
trying to do is‐‐
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[Judge] I know exactly what
you’re trying to do.
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And it doesn’t pass
the smell test.
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Your Honor,
if we announce to the town
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that those buses
are rolling in here on Monday...
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things could just blow up.
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Well, if you want
to stop those buses,
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you have to get the federal
court to do it. I won’t.
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Very well...
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We go to federal court.
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[Judge] I’d think
real hard on that.
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The only thing you’ll succeed in
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is telling those Black students
that they are not welcome here.
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And that could buy you
the very trouble
you’re afraid of.
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[indistinct
background conversations]
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[door closes]
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‐Come on, stay back.
‐[crowd clamoring]
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Let ’em through.
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[male reporter]
When does the city council vote?
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[woman] How many students
are being bused in?
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Look, you know as much as we do,
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the federal order’s
already in place.
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How could you get to be mayor?
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It’s a temporary position
till the election.
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Yeah, why you, Jill?
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You have
no political background.
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I’m supposed to feel safe
with you in charge? No offense.
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Well, first of all, I have
excellent diplomatic skills,
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and second of all,
you can stick it up your ass.
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‐[crowd clamoring]
‐Come on, step back.
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‐[woman] One more question!
‐Go on, clear out.
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‐Let’s do it.
‐[man] All right.
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Okay, look, we need to go over
these trial transcripts, okay?
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We need to get your signatures.
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The Supreme Court briefs
are going to want
verified amendments.
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What does that mean?
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If you agree to send
your testimony right,
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you just sign the last page.
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We can do this in my office,
okay, the sooner the be‐‐
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‐[Doug] Oh!
‐[man] Sorry.
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He gave it to me.
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I subscribe, you know.
That and National Geographic.
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So I can see all the places
I know I’ll never get to visit.
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I just read the interviews.
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[man] Let’s clear this hallway.
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We have to stick to reason.
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So, we’ll argue
the overcrowding of the schools,
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‐the suddenness‐‐
‐How about
the potential violence,
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and the parents worrying?
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Or the efficacy
of forced busing, in general.
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Most studies show
that it just doesn’t work.
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That’s a loser. This judge
obviously thinks it does work.
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‐Who is this judge?
‐He’s progressive, proactive,
and Black.
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He wants busing to work
and he wants it to work in Rome.
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And trust me on this,
if we go in there hysterical,
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arguing gang violence
or anything that smacks
of racial paranoia, we are dead.
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I’ve appeared before this judge.
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You don’t want
to make him angry.
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Time. All they want is time.
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Well, that’s all they wanted
in Little Rock in 1958.
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And that’s all Rome wants today.
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Your Honor, nobody loves
righteous indignation
more than I.
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It is the tone
that I often employ with juries,
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but I don’t think
that a federal court judge
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is going to be fooled by it.
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Don’t overestimate me, Counsel.
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We’re here today in the spirit
of simple pragmatism. And I‐‐
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You find desegregation
to be anti‐pragmatic, Counsel?
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I certainly do not.
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But forced integration...
in a sudden manner,
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to order a plan which gives
the school system
no time to prepare‐‐
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Prepare emotionally, or are
we still talking pragmatic here?
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The latter.
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Your Honor,
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this court order poses
a logistical apocalypse.
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Classes are already in session.
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An influx of 400 new students
next Monday
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will have a devastating
administrative effect.
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It will present problems
of overcrowding
in the classroom.
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There are 7000 students in Rome.
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Surely 400 more would not‐‐
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Exactly. The schools
are already bulging.
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Plus which, there could be
special ed needs
posed by this plan.
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And yes,
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there could be
some social problems
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necessitating more counselors
or other more extreme needs.
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This is a major undertaking.
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To do it in a rash manner
invites chaos, it begs tumult.
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[Judge Nance]
But the fall session
is beginning now.
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And suppose we wait
a couple of months
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and then bring the students in.
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Wouldn’t that be
even more disruptive,
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changing things in the middle
of the school term?
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No. With time,
we can prepare for change.
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The adjustments can be made
with considered planning‐‐
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Oh, come on now, Counsel.
What planning?
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The teachers
have their syllabuses.
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They know
what they’re going to teach.
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So you have a couple
of extra kids in class‐‐
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you buy a few more books.
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So what’s
all this adjustment about?
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Your Honor, there‐‐
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You see, we’ve just arrived
at the crucial point
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of this hearing Mr. Dell.
243
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It’s just about now
I’ve got to gauge
244
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just how credible
a petitioner you are.
245
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For me to find you persuasive,
246
00:11:23,099 --> 00:11:25,894
I’ve got to believe that you’re
coming at me straight.
247
00:11:27,395 --> 00:11:29,981
So I’m asking you again...
248
00:11:29,981 --> 00:11:33,651
We’re talking
a few extra kids per class.
249
00:11:33,651 --> 00:11:36,404
We handle the transportation
from our end,
250
00:11:36,404 --> 00:11:38,823
so what’s
all this adjustment about?
251
00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,208
Your Honor,
252
00:11:48,208 --> 00:11:53,588
this is obviously
a very white community.
253
00:11:53,588 --> 00:11:56,382
The sudden influx
of inner city Black youth
254
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is going to result
in some people being concerned,
even paranoid.
255
00:12:01,930 --> 00:12:03,848
I see.
256
00:12:03,848 --> 00:12:07,310
And by recognizing
this potential paranoia
257
00:12:07,310 --> 00:12:09,020
and responding to it,
258
00:12:09,020 --> 00:12:12,232
how do I not perpetuate it?
259
00:12:12,232 --> 00:12:15,109
I’m simply making a plea
for common sense.
260
00:12:15,109 --> 00:12:17,779
By pushing this integration plan
too fast,
261
00:12:17,779 --> 00:12:21,115
you are promoting
a volatile situation‐‐
262
00:12:21,115 --> 00:12:22,825
And by holding off,
263
00:12:22,825 --> 00:12:26,371
I am legitimizing a public panic
grounded in racism.
264
00:12:28,122 --> 00:12:30,375
Suppose there is violence,
Your Honor,
265
00:12:30,375 --> 00:12:33,044
a kid winds up dead.
266
00:12:33,044 --> 00:12:35,630
What, you’re going
to sit up there proud
having clung to your principle?
267
00:12:35,630 --> 00:12:39,300
Are you going to lecture me
on my principles, Mr. Dell?
268
00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:41,594
I’m simply reminding you
that while you are perched high
269
00:12:41,594 --> 00:12:44,097
wrapped in the safety
of that cloak,
270
00:12:44,097 --> 00:12:46,641
these people will have to live
in that town.
271
00:12:46,641 --> 00:12:49,435
Their children
are in those schools
272
00:12:49,435 --> 00:12:53,022
and you are making those schools
less safe.
273
00:12:53,022 --> 00:12:55,817
By populating it
with Black students?
274
00:12:55,817 --> 00:12:58,319
By affecting
the climate of racial tension.
275
00:12:58,319 --> 00:13:00,697
I see.
276
00:13:00,697 --> 00:13:04,450
Well, Mr. Dell,
you have indeed persuaded me.
277
00:13:04,450 --> 00:13:07,829
I now have
a much better understanding
of the town of Rome.
278
00:13:07,829 --> 00:13:11,708
So I’m going to modify
my original order.
279
00:13:11,708 --> 00:13:16,296
The only argument
I give any credence to
is the one of overcrowding.
280
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I certainly don’t want to see
congested classrooms.
281
00:13:19,674 --> 00:13:23,303
So, to accommodate
the 400 students I’m brining in,
282
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I’m ordering
that 400 Rome students
283
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be bused out to Green Bay.
284
00:13:28,182 --> 00:13:30,393
What?
285
00:13:30,393 --> 00:13:34,188
Oh, well, I share
your space concerns, Mr. Dell.
286
00:13:34,188 --> 00:13:38,609
I also share your concerns
over Rome’s cultural attitudes.
287
00:13:38,609 --> 00:13:39,694
They need attention.
288
00:13:41,487 --> 00:13:42,864
Your Honor...
289
00:13:43,698 --> 00:13:45,074
you can’t be serious.
290
00:13:45,074 --> 00:13:47,577
Oh, but I can.
291
00:13:47,577 --> 00:13:49,245
And I leave it
to your school board
292
00:13:49,245 --> 00:13:51,289
to decide
which of your children will go.
293
00:13:51,289 --> 00:13:55,126
But 400 of them will go.
294
00:13:55,126 --> 00:13:58,588
So have a lovely day
in your lovely town.
295
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Adjourned.
296
00:14:05,762 --> 00:14:08,306
‐Are there any more?
‐Excuse me?
297
00:14:08,306 --> 00:14:09,682
[John] Pictures.
298
00:14:11,142 --> 00:14:12,560
Are there any others
that could surface
299
00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:14,687
that I should know about?
300
00:14:14,687 --> 00:14:16,064
That’s all there is.
301
00:14:17,482 --> 00:14:20,109
Look, I know
this isn’t easy for you, okay?
302
00:14:20,109 --> 00:14:22,403
‐[phone ringing]
‐[indistinct conversation]
303
00:14:24,238 --> 00:14:26,991
Thank you.
304
00:14:26,991 --> 00:14:28,743
And I don’t mean to jump back
305
00:14:28,743 --> 00:14:31,162
on my credibility soap box
again, but...
306
00:14:31,162 --> 00:14:33,206
you were the arresting officer
307
00:14:33,206 --> 00:14:35,374
on a case that’s now going
to the Supreme Court.
308
00:14:35,374 --> 00:14:38,336
Gotta have a response to this.
309
00:14:38,336 --> 00:14:40,338
So, I gotta ask you...
310
00:14:42,548 --> 00:14:43,424
Why?
311
00:14:47,845 --> 00:14:49,097
[sighs]
312
00:14:52,558 --> 00:14:54,393
They were just for me.
313
00:14:56,437 --> 00:14:57,647
So that I’d have them when...
314
00:15:01,025 --> 00:15:01,984
I don’t know, when I was old.
315
00:15:04,445 --> 00:15:07,281
You wanted these pictures
for yourself when you were old?
316
00:15:07,281 --> 00:15:09,367
Look, I don’t have
to explain myself to you.
317
00:15:11,494 --> 00:15:12,453
No, you don’t.
318
00:15:20,002 --> 00:15:21,295
[sighs] When I was a girl...
319
00:15:24,382 --> 00:15:26,092
I always dreamed
about being pretty enough
320
00:15:26,092 --> 00:15:27,468
to be in one of those magazines.
321
00:15:30,596 --> 00:15:31,472
The...
322
00:15:33,099 --> 00:15:34,267
The pictures were just for me.
323
00:15:38,146 --> 00:15:40,815
Or maybe I’d...
show my husband one day.
324
00:15:42,733 --> 00:15:45,111
I don’t know.
325
00:15:45,111 --> 00:15:46,946
Look, I’m very sorry
that this has happened.
326
00:15:51,242 --> 00:15:52,702
Let’s review these transcripts,
okay?
327
00:16:06,549 --> 00:16:07,550
[knocking on door]
328
00:16:09,635 --> 00:16:11,012
Excuse me, Your Honor.
329
00:16:11,012 --> 00:16:11,971
I’m eating my lunch.
330
00:16:14,265 --> 00:16:16,309
Is it your intent
to disrupt my lunch?
331
00:16:16,309 --> 00:16:19,604
To disrupt it
with an ex parte communication?
332
00:16:19,604 --> 00:16:20,813
I’ll be very brief.
333
00:16:23,024 --> 00:16:26,277
This is Jill Brock, Mayor Protem
of Rome, Wisconsin.
334
00:16:26,277 --> 00:16:28,154
How do you do?
335
00:16:28,154 --> 00:16:29,363
Fine, thank you.
336
00:16:29,363 --> 00:16:30,531
Your Honor,
337
00:16:30,531 --> 00:16:32,491
we could not be more supportive
338
00:16:32,491 --> 00:16:34,452
of the spirit of integration.
339
00:16:36,287 --> 00:16:37,830
[Franklin] Yes.
340
00:16:37,830 --> 00:16:40,625
Well, I’d like
to suggest a proposal.
341
00:16:40,625 --> 00:16:44,086
Revoke the part
about busing Rome kids out...
342
00:16:44,086 --> 00:16:48,299
and give us a month,
just one month,
343
00:16:48,299 --> 00:16:51,594
to prepare for
the Green Bay kids coming in,
344
00:16:51,594 --> 00:16:53,846
and we will make this work.
345
00:16:55,348 --> 00:16:57,808
We’ll make it work, beautifully.
346
00:16:57,808 --> 00:17:01,854
You disturbed my lunch
with a proposal?
347
00:17:01,854 --> 00:17:04,774
Did it look like I was
negotiating up there
on that bench?
348
00:17:04,774 --> 00:17:06,234
Was I sending you the message,
349
00:17:06,234 --> 00:17:08,319
"Come hither
with a counteroffer"?
350
00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:12,490
Um...no.
351
00:17:12,490 --> 00:17:15,034
We’re just trying to appeal
to common sense.
352
00:17:15,034 --> 00:17:19,163
I hate appeals
and I loathe common sense.
353
00:17:19,163 --> 00:17:20,915
Your Honor, please.
354
00:17:20,915 --> 00:17:23,084
[Judge Nance] You come to me
with a proposal.
355
00:17:23,084 --> 00:17:25,628
Now, that disrespects me.
356
00:17:25,628 --> 00:17:28,005
It says you don’t
take my orders seriously.
357
00:17:28,005 --> 00:17:31,259
We’re just trying to show you
how big a problem we have.
358
00:17:31,259 --> 00:17:33,594
Well, you got that right,
Madam Mayor.
359
00:17:33,594 --> 00:17:36,180
We have ourselves
a very big problem.
360
00:17:36,180 --> 00:17:38,349
And I’m trying to deal with it.
361
00:17:38,349 --> 00:17:41,561
And I’m ordering you...
to deal with it.
362
00:17:43,729 --> 00:17:45,147
[Zach] What if we get picked?
363
00:17:45,147 --> 00:17:47,608
I don’t know.
364
00:17:47,608 --> 00:17:49,694
But we’re as white
as they come, Zack.
365
00:17:49,694 --> 00:17:51,153
We’d be the first ones
they kill.
366
00:17:52,697 --> 00:17:54,740
They wouldn’t kill us.
367
00:17:54,740 --> 00:17:56,158
I read where Black kids
kill each other.
368
00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,122
I know, but...
we’ve even got red hair.
369
00:18:01,122 --> 00:18:02,915
They wouldn’t kill us.
370
00:18:02,915 --> 00:18:05,751
Black people
are the same as white people.
371
00:18:05,751 --> 00:18:07,503
They just have different skin.
372
00:18:07,503 --> 00:18:10,298
Otherwise,
they’re just the same.
373
00:18:10,298 --> 00:18:13,718
Johnny Simpson’s Black.
You like him.
374
00:18:13,718 --> 00:18:15,970
I know.
375
00:18:15,970 --> 00:18:18,931
But it’s different
when they’re in groups.
376
00:18:18,931 --> 00:18:22,727
Look, I’m sure we won’t
get picked, and even if we do,
377
00:18:22,727 --> 00:18:23,811
it’ll be fine.
378
00:18:27,273 --> 00:18:28,733
Then how come
Mom and Dad are scared?
379
00:18:29,817 --> 00:18:31,485
I don’t know.
380
00:18:38,659 --> 00:18:41,120
There’s always private school.
If our kids get picked, then‐‐
381
00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:42,955
Well, why don’t
we just designate
a different neighborhood
382
00:18:42,955 --> 00:18:45,082
so they don’t get picked?
383
00:18:45,082 --> 00:18:47,251
Well, we can’t do that, Jimmy.
That’s not fair.
384
00:18:47,251 --> 00:18:49,712
A lottery is the only way
to be fair. We gotta be fair.
385
00:18:49,712 --> 00:18:52,840
Jill, I don’t care
how liberal‐minded
we’re supposed to be,
386
00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,425
we’re not letting our children
be bused
387
00:18:54,425 --> 00:18:56,135
to an inner city school
with gangs.
388
00:18:56,135 --> 00:18:57,887
Well, listen to you.
You sound like me.
389
00:19:05,478 --> 00:19:06,604
[sighs]
390
00:19:07,897 --> 00:19:09,982
So, what’s gonna happen?
391
00:19:09,982 --> 00:19:11,692
Well, they’ve called
a special town meeting
392
00:19:11,692 --> 00:19:13,653
for tomorrow, Saturday.
393
00:19:13,653 --> 00:19:14,945
We’ll tell the people
and then we’ll sit back
394
00:19:14,945 --> 00:19:17,573
and... [sighs]
395
00:19:17,573 --> 00:19:19,950
...I don’t know, watch
the roof blow off the building.
396
00:19:21,786 --> 00:19:22,912
This is a good town.
397
00:19:24,955 --> 00:19:27,875
And it’s
an enlightened community.
398
00:19:27,875 --> 00:19:29,502
These people here
will handle it.
399
00:19:31,545 --> 00:19:32,713
They’ll handle it.
400
00:19:32,713 --> 00:19:34,173
Right.
401
00:19:41,806 --> 00:19:46,894
In determining which
of our children shall be
bused to Green Bay...
402
00:19:46,894 --> 00:19:49,105
we’ve decided to do it
by lottery.
403
00:19:49,105 --> 00:19:52,400
‐[crowd disagreeing]
‐[Jill] Now, wait, wait.
404
00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,235
This is the only fair way
405
00:19:54,235 --> 00:19:57,238
unless a particular neighborhood
would like to volunteer.
406
00:19:57,238 --> 00:19:58,906
‐[people clamoring]
‐Jill...
407
00:19:58,906 --> 00:20:00,866
...why do we have
to go along with this at all?
408
00:20:00,866 --> 00:20:03,911
There’s a federal mandate, Ed.
We have a court order.
409
00:20:03,911 --> 00:20:06,664
[all] Appeal it.
410
00:20:06,664 --> 00:20:09,125
We have appealed,
but that doesn’t stay
411
00:20:09,125 --> 00:20:10,960
the district court’s ruling.
412
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,380
If we don’t abide, the town
could be held in contempt.
413
00:20:14,380 --> 00:20:16,549
‐And then what?
‐[Franklin] Excuse me?
414
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:18,050
Uh, well, I’d like to know
415
00:20:18,050 --> 00:20:20,261
if a town enjoys
any independence here.
416
00:20:20,261 --> 00:20:22,179
‐It doesn’t.
‐[crowd groans]
417
00:20:22,179 --> 00:20:24,557
[Jill] All right, all right.
Hold on, hold on now.
418
00:20:24,557 --> 00:20:28,769
One possibility is
to immediately establish
a private school.
419
00:20:28,769 --> 00:20:31,147
[crowd murmuring]
420
00:20:31,147 --> 00:20:35,025
For a nominal tuition,
we can call it a private school
421
00:20:35,025 --> 00:20:37,695
and it is not subject to busing.
422
00:20:37,695 --> 00:20:39,864
Henry Novotny has offered
the use of his church.
423
00:20:39,864 --> 00:20:43,033
The court will see through that
and hold you in contempt.
424
00:20:43,033 --> 00:20:46,120
Listen, can I say something?
I’d like to be heard.
425
00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:49,540
[crowd applauding and cheering]
426
00:20:51,834 --> 00:20:52,668
[man] All right, Ed.
427
00:20:56,213 --> 00:20:57,214
‐Thank you.
‐[feedback from mic]
428
00:21:00,885 --> 00:21:02,887
My name is Ed Lawson.
429
00:21:02,887 --> 00:21:05,598
I’m an employee of the
United States Postal Service.
430
00:21:05,598 --> 00:21:08,309
I work for the government
and I’m loyal to it.
431
00:21:08,309 --> 00:21:12,188
But it’s gotta be
the most mismanaged
institution in the world.
432
00:21:12,188 --> 00:21:14,940
I mean, they can’t pass bills
on healthcare‐‐
433
00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:17,067
You’re getting off
the point here, Mr. Lawson.
434
00:21:17,067 --> 00:21:18,736
Look, it’s not off the point.
435
00:21:18,736 --> 00:21:20,404
The government’s trying
to come in here
436
00:21:20,404 --> 00:21:21,947
and run our affairs
when they can’t even
437
00:21:21,947 --> 00:21:22,948
handle their own.
438
00:21:22,948 --> 00:21:24,533
Why should we trust them?
439
00:21:24,533 --> 00:21:26,035
Why should we assume
440
00:21:26,035 --> 00:21:27,870
they know what’s best for us?
441
00:21:27,870 --> 00:21:30,122
‐Let’s stick to the subject, Ed.
‐I’m on the subject.
442
00:21:30,122 --> 00:21:32,833
The point is,
it’s been up to the small town
443
00:21:32,833 --> 00:21:34,835
to survive on its own
and we’ve done that.
444
00:21:34,835 --> 00:21:37,963
We built up our schools,
we’ve done a good civic thing.
445
00:21:37,963 --> 00:21:39,799
It’s a good town
to raise our kids
446
00:21:39,799 --> 00:21:41,509
where they can grow up safe.
447
00:21:41,509 --> 00:21:44,094
Now, how dare these people
back in Washington
448
00:21:44,094 --> 00:21:46,180
think that they can
just charge in here
449
00:21:46,180 --> 00:21:48,891
and say, "Hey, we don’t care
about your safety.
450
00:21:48,891 --> 00:21:50,851
"We’ve got our own plan.
451
00:21:50,851 --> 00:21:53,938
"We’re gonna bus in
400 Black kids from gang land
452
00:21:53,938 --> 00:21:57,191
and if that screws things up
for your kids, tough."
453
00:21:57,191 --> 00:22:00,861
They’re saying to us
we gotta send our kids
to Green Bay
454
00:22:00,861 --> 00:22:03,113
where the education
is who knows what,
455
00:22:03,113 --> 00:22:04,615
where they could get shot?
456
00:22:04,615 --> 00:22:08,035
Not my ten‐year‐old.
Not my daughter.
457
00:22:08,035 --> 00:22:10,996
No, I say, let’s stand up
to these federal
sons of bitches.
458
00:22:10,996 --> 00:22:14,667
I say I’d rather secede
than let them take our kids!
459
00:22:14,667 --> 00:22:16,669
[cheering]
460
00:22:22,716 --> 00:22:23,592
[Jill] Walter...
461
00:22:31,642 --> 00:22:33,060
Do you mind
if I share this podium?
462
00:22:38,148 --> 00:22:41,110
Don’t make it a Black thing.
This isn’t a Black thing.
463
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:42,778
May I say what I choose to say?
464
00:22:45,364 --> 00:22:46,490
It’s a free country.
465
00:22:47,867 --> 00:22:48,951
Supposedly.
466
00:22:54,206 --> 00:22:55,207
Uh...
467
00:23:00,462 --> 00:23:01,672
I too am a parent.
468
00:23:06,135 --> 00:23:07,970
My son, Jason, is 16.
469
00:23:09,638 --> 00:23:12,975
My daughter, Sondra, is 15.
470
00:23:12,975 --> 00:23:15,311
Their mother and I
brought them here two years ago.
471
00:23:17,062 --> 00:23:18,814
For the same reason, I guess.
472
00:23:18,814 --> 00:23:21,400
We thought this would be
a good place to raise a family.
473
00:23:24,111 --> 00:23:26,196
It wasn’t easy for them.
474
00:23:26,196 --> 00:23:28,198
It meant saying goodbye
475
00:23:28,198 --> 00:23:30,659
to friends they had known
all their lives.
476
00:23:30,659 --> 00:23:31,869
And...
477
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:35,331
they were scared...
478
00:23:35,331 --> 00:23:38,959
of moving in to a community
that was this white.
479
00:23:40,711 --> 00:23:43,005
But I told them...
480
00:23:43,005 --> 00:23:46,050
this is a good community.
481
00:23:47,885 --> 00:23:50,179
This was a town
that would welcome them.
482
00:23:50,179 --> 00:23:51,972
And you know what? It did.
483
00:23:53,140 --> 00:23:55,309
My kids are happy.
484
00:23:55,309 --> 00:23:57,978
And I’m happy as a parent
485
00:23:57,978 --> 00:24:01,732
because I got them
into a community that I thought
486
00:24:01,732 --> 00:24:03,609
would help raise them
to be good people.
487
00:24:05,069 --> 00:24:07,112
And I was proud of them.
488
00:24:08,864 --> 00:24:10,491
So truly proud.
489
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:14,119
And to think that...
490
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:18,123
maybe because of my family
and their sacrifices,
491
00:24:18,123 --> 00:24:20,209
and maybe the sacrifices
492
00:24:20,209 --> 00:24:22,670
of other Black families
in Rome, Wisconsin,
493
00:24:22,670 --> 00:24:25,756
that this community
comes closer to being
494
00:24:25,756 --> 00:24:28,008
what those
American freedom slogans
are all about.
495
00:24:31,136 --> 00:24:32,054
Well...
496
00:24:33,555 --> 00:24:34,556
imagine...
497
00:24:36,141 --> 00:24:37,559
how proud I am today...
498
00:24:41,021 --> 00:24:45,901
to sit and listen
to this room rumble with panic
499
00:24:45,901 --> 00:24:51,031
over the idea of Black students
infiltrating the schools.
500
00:24:51,031 --> 00:24:55,119
Imagine how honored I am
to live in a community
501
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,831
that can fear people
because of the color
of their skin.
502
00:24:58,831 --> 00:25:00,958
Now you say
it’s not a Black thing.
503
00:25:00,958 --> 00:25:02,626
It is a Black thing!
504
00:25:05,754 --> 00:25:09,091
You’re talking about opening up
private schools
505
00:25:09,091 --> 00:25:14,138
so that the coloreds
can’t be bused into ’em.
506
00:25:14,138 --> 00:25:18,267
I am standing here
with so much civic pride,
I am bursting.
507
00:25:23,689 --> 00:25:24,565
I am bursting.
508
00:25:26,984 --> 00:25:28,152
So...
509
00:25:29,611 --> 00:25:30,696
So now...
510
00:25:32,281 --> 00:25:34,950
I got to go home today...
511
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:37,578
and tell my kids...
512
00:25:37,578 --> 00:25:42,082
that the reason Rome, Wisconsin,
welcomed them...
513
00:25:42,082 --> 00:25:46,045
was ’cause they showed up
in small numbers.
514
00:25:46,045 --> 00:25:48,005
Imagine...
515
00:25:48,005 --> 00:25:51,967
imagine how truly proud
I feel today.
516
00:26:16,158 --> 00:26:17,117
[door closes]
517
00:26:21,747 --> 00:26:23,499
‐[Maxine] Hey.
‐[John] Hey.
518
00:26:30,714 --> 00:26:32,091
What are you doing here?
519
00:26:33,717 --> 00:26:35,052
My penance.
520
00:26:35,052 --> 00:26:36,011
For what?
521
00:26:39,098 --> 00:26:40,140
I don’t know, uh...
522
00:26:41,683 --> 00:26:43,268
what’s the expression?
523
00:26:43,268 --> 00:26:45,687
"All it takes
for evil to succeed...
524
00:26:45,687 --> 00:26:48,398
is for good Black men
to do nothing."
525
00:26:50,901 --> 00:26:53,612
So that’s why you’re in church?
Guilt?
526
00:26:56,115 --> 00:26:59,118
I do not support busing.
527
00:26:59,118 --> 00:27:01,370
And a District Attorney
should stay out
of political debate.
528
00:27:04,331 --> 00:27:07,042
But I should have been
in that room,
529
00:27:07,042 --> 00:27:09,044
if for no other reason
than just to...
530
00:27:09,044 --> 00:27:10,587
just to look a few
of those people in the eye...
531
00:27:16,009 --> 00:27:17,511
What are you doing here?
532
00:27:19,138 --> 00:27:21,181
Actually, I come here a lot
in the afternoons
533
00:27:21,181 --> 00:27:22,099
after the place empties out.
534
00:27:23,851 --> 00:27:27,020
I just like to sit, think.
535
00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:27,855
Yeah.
536
00:27:32,651 --> 00:27:33,944
Thank you.
537
00:27:36,029 --> 00:27:37,739
For what?
538
00:27:37,739 --> 00:27:40,576
For not tearing into me
about those pictures.
539
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:45,831
I know they just made your job
that much tougher.
540
00:27:49,167 --> 00:27:51,336
One of these days, I’m gonna
stop humiliating myself
541
00:27:51,336 --> 00:27:53,088
and everyone around me.
542
00:27:53,088 --> 00:27:55,424
[chuckles] Yeah, well,
you let me know.
543
00:28:00,387 --> 00:28:03,015
It would be nice...
544
00:28:03,015 --> 00:28:06,310
if we could wave a wand
and wipe out all racial tension.
545
00:28:08,437 --> 00:28:11,273
I, too, would be very proud
to think that I live
in a community
546
00:28:11,273 --> 00:28:14,109
that, that would welcome
these inner city youths
547
00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:17,112
if they felt honored
and privileged to come here.
548
00:28:17,112 --> 00:28:19,323
But that isn’t the case, is it?
549
00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:22,451
So what do we do?
550
00:28:22,451 --> 00:28:25,162
Ride it out?
551
00:28:25,162 --> 00:28:28,040
Dig in and just try to, uh,
survive all the turmoil,
552
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,001
because we know
that after all of the hatred,
553
00:28:31,001 --> 00:28:34,004
maybe violence,
Rome would be a better place?
554
00:28:36,340 --> 00:28:37,299
[clicks tongue] Well...
555
00:28:39,217 --> 00:28:40,594
we could do that.
556
00:28:41,887 --> 00:28:42,930
But not me.
557
00:28:43,972 --> 00:28:47,100
I’m all for equality.
558
00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:48,685
But I do not want
to see it achieved
559
00:28:48,685 --> 00:28:51,480
at the expense
of my children.
560
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,107
None of us wants
to send our kids to Green Bay
561
00:28:54,107 --> 00:28:56,068
to got to a school
in a gang area.
562
00:28:58,278 --> 00:29:02,491
None of us, let’s be honest,
wants gang kids
563
00:29:02,491 --> 00:29:04,076
put into our schools here.
564
00:29:05,577 --> 00:29:07,329
There could be bloodshed.
565
00:29:07,329 --> 00:29:09,247
At a minimum, it will
make our schools less safe.
566
00:29:10,707 --> 00:29:13,001
I’m a pretty liberal person.
567
00:29:13,001 --> 00:29:17,297
But I got to say,
ashamed as I may be...
568
00:29:17,297 --> 00:29:21,093
if those buses come in,
I’ll be moving my family out.
569
00:29:21,093 --> 00:29:22,886
‐[crowd murmuring]
‐[Carter] Suppose
they don’t come, Mr. Kramer?
570
00:29:22,886 --> 00:29:24,638
Suppose this little
mob demonstration
571
00:29:24,638 --> 00:29:26,682
keeps those buses out,
what’s the victory?
572
00:29:26,682 --> 00:29:28,475
Well, maybe our kids
could grow up then.
573
00:29:28,475 --> 00:29:30,018
Grow up as what?
574
00:29:30,018 --> 00:29:31,687
Maybe some of them
will move out.
575
00:29:31,687 --> 00:29:33,981
Where will they tell people
they came from?
576
00:29:33,981 --> 00:29:35,732
A place where they didn’t just
put up fences around the yards,
577
00:29:35,732 --> 00:29:37,943
but a place where
they sealed off the whole town?
578
00:29:37,943 --> 00:29:40,570
For what?
To keep out the unwanted.
579
00:29:40,570 --> 00:29:43,115
Wow, that’s
certainly a community
worth protecting, isn’t it?
580
00:29:43,115 --> 00:29:44,825
You don’t have kids, Carter.
581
00:29:44,825 --> 00:29:47,369
You’re not helping ’em
by passing on prejudice.
582
00:29:47,369 --> 00:29:49,705
‐It isn’t that simple!
‐Are you trying to keep
your morgue busy?
583
00:29:49,705 --> 00:29:52,165
You’re worried
about Black students.
Innocent people.
584
00:29:52,165 --> 00:29:54,292
The Supreme Court might let
Brian Latham back on the street,
585
00:29:54,292 --> 00:29:56,837
and he’s a killer‐‐
nobody’s talking about that.
586
00:29:56,837 --> 00:29:58,630
We’re all talking about it.
That’s just another reason
587
00:29:58,630 --> 00:30:00,757
why we can’t
trust the government.
588
00:30:00,757 --> 00:30:04,136
‐I’m at the podium now.
‐Oh, go play with a corpse.
589
00:30:04,136 --> 00:30:06,555
‐[crowd murmuring]
‐That’s the very ignorance
we’re dealing with here.
590
00:30:06,555 --> 00:30:08,098
You calling me ignorant, Carter?
591
00:30:08,098 --> 00:30:09,391
Yes, as a matter of fact, I am!
592
00:30:09,391 --> 00:30:11,560
[clamoring]
593
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,103
Ed!
594
00:30:13,103 --> 00:30:15,355
[clamoring]
595
00:30:15,355 --> 00:30:16,690
Knock it off!
596
00:30:16,690 --> 00:30:18,233
[deputy] All right. Come on.
597
00:30:18,233 --> 00:30:19,192
[Jimmy] Knock it off.
598
00:30:20,152 --> 00:30:21,194
Damn it!
599
00:30:23,196 --> 00:30:25,240
Superior Court,
from Hogan County,
600
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,950
says it’ll only take a minute.
601
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:27,784
Send him in.
602
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:39,171
My name is Henry Bone.
603
00:30:39,171 --> 00:30:41,840
Oh, heh, I know who you are.
604
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,383
Then you know why I’m here.
605
00:30:45,969 --> 00:30:47,054
You think
you’re leaving a legacy?
606
00:30:48,847 --> 00:30:50,265
Maybe they’ll all toast you
607
00:30:50,265 --> 00:30:51,308
on Martin Luther King Day.
608
00:30:53,060 --> 00:30:55,270
Big deal.
609
00:30:55,270 --> 00:30:57,355
Forced busing is dangerous.
610
00:30:57,355 --> 00:31:00,233
If it’s done arbitrarily,
it’s deadly.
611
00:31:00,233 --> 00:31:04,237
And you think I just
arbitrarily picked Rome?
612
00:31:04,237 --> 00:31:07,657
A town that let an HIV dentist
practice medicine?
613
00:31:07,657 --> 00:31:10,452
The town that let a priest
with a shoe fetish
614
00:31:10,452 --> 00:31:12,204
keep his parish? Oh, no.
615
00:31:12,204 --> 00:31:16,041
I know Rome, Wisconsin
very well.
616
00:31:16,041 --> 00:31:17,375
And I’d also
like to think I know
617
00:31:17,375 --> 00:31:20,712
a little
about Judge Henry Bone.
618
00:31:20,712 --> 00:31:23,298
You’re the public conscience
of that little village.
619
00:31:23,298 --> 00:31:27,135
I bet they all came running
to you over this busing crisis
620
00:31:27,135 --> 00:31:29,721
wanting you to enjoin my order.
621
00:31:29,721 --> 00:31:32,599
You probably told them
to go to hell, right?
622
00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:36,353
Well, I’m hoping
that the people of Rome
623
00:31:36,353 --> 00:31:39,731
will once again heed
their Judge Henry Bone.
624
00:31:39,731 --> 00:31:43,360
This issue is bigger than me...
and you.
625
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,531
It’s been 40 years since
Brown v. Board of Education.
626
00:31:47,531 --> 00:31:49,199
Do you know how much
has happened since then?
627
00:31:49,199 --> 00:31:51,451
‐Not enough.
‐[Judge Nance] Right.
628
00:31:51,451 --> 00:31:53,787
And I figure if we just
reach out into the heartland
629
00:31:53,787 --> 00:31:57,874
and what better place to get
a kick‐start than in Rome.
630
00:31:57,874 --> 00:32:02,629
[chuckles]
Oh, it’s a weird town.
But I like it.
631
00:32:02,629 --> 00:32:06,216
Part of the town’s bliss
comes from getting to think
632
00:32:06,216 --> 00:32:08,718
it’s free from bigotry.
633
00:32:08,718 --> 00:32:11,304
Your ruling
could shatter that illusion.
634
00:32:11,304 --> 00:32:15,183
Sometimes the best projects
come from breakage.
635
00:32:23,316 --> 00:32:25,986
You want to leave a legacy,
Your Honor?
636
00:32:25,986 --> 00:32:29,114
Just remember,
whatever happens,
637
00:32:29,114 --> 00:32:30,949
it will be your legacy.
638
00:32:40,584 --> 00:32:42,794
So, what’s your take
on all this?
639
00:32:44,713 --> 00:32:46,631
‐I don’t know.
‐Well, how would you feel
640
00:32:46,631 --> 00:32:49,759
if 400 kids suddenly showed up
at your school?
641
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:52,762
I’d...
I’d probably be scared.
642
00:32:55,390 --> 00:32:56,725
Because they’re Black?
643
00:32:56,725 --> 00:32:58,351
No, not because they’re Black.
644
00:32:59,477 --> 00:33:01,771
But because...
645
00:33:01,771 --> 00:33:03,899
I’d be afraid they’d hate me
because I was white.
646
00:33:06,651 --> 00:33:08,820
That’s racist to assume
they’d be racist.
647
00:33:10,572 --> 00:33:11,448
I know.
648
00:33:20,624 --> 00:33:23,001
[lively chattering]
649
00:33:26,379 --> 00:33:28,173
Sorry. Excuse me, excuse me.
650
00:33:37,515 --> 00:33:39,059
[Jill] All right, everybody,
settle down, please!
651
00:33:40,936 --> 00:33:43,188
Please be quiet.
We’d all like to be heard here.
652
00:33:45,106 --> 00:33:46,566
[Jill sighs]
653
00:33:47,484 --> 00:33:49,986
All right, um...
654
00:33:49,986 --> 00:33:52,405
my co‐mayor, Jason Steinberg,
and I
655
00:33:52,405 --> 00:33:55,825
have met together
with Counsel Franklin Dell.
656
00:33:55,825 --> 00:33:58,036
We’ve considered our options
and we’ve reached a decision.
657
00:34:02,791 --> 00:34:05,585
We’re all law‐abiding people.
658
00:34:05,585 --> 00:34:08,505
But today, our conscience
as law‐abiding citizens
659
00:34:08,505 --> 00:34:12,259
is in direct conflict
with our role as parents.
660
00:34:12,259 --> 00:34:15,011
That’s the base of our protest.
661
00:34:15,011 --> 00:34:17,847
It’s the concern
for the safety of our children.
662
00:34:19,432 --> 00:34:21,810
But as Carter Pike says...
663
00:34:21,810 --> 00:34:25,188
are we protecting them
by passing on prejudice?
664
00:34:25,188 --> 00:34:29,067
Because it is prejudice,
let’s be honest.
665
00:34:29,067 --> 00:34:32,279
If the children to be bused
weren’t Black...
666
00:34:32,279 --> 00:34:33,571
and from the inner city...
667
00:34:35,573 --> 00:34:37,826
we would all be in church
right now singing "Jerusalem."
668
00:34:40,245 --> 00:34:41,579
We’re prejudiced.
669
00:34:43,540 --> 00:34:45,125
Whatever it is
we think we’re protecting,
670
00:34:45,125 --> 00:34:46,293
it certainly isn’t
our innocence...
671
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:49,254
or our idealism.
672
00:34:51,506 --> 00:34:53,550
Unfortunately, parents today
673
00:34:53,550 --> 00:34:55,385
can’t get as wrapped up
in idealism as they used to.
674
00:34:57,762 --> 00:34:59,639
The best thing sometimes
675
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:02,475
is just to give our kids
a fighting chance
676
00:35:02,475 --> 00:35:05,812
and hope to God
that they survive.
677
00:35:05,812 --> 00:35:07,689
And because it’s
about survival most...
678
00:35:09,941 --> 00:35:13,361
our decision is to defy
the federal court order.
679
00:35:13,361 --> 00:35:14,529
‐[man] All right.
‐[cheering]
680
00:35:17,574 --> 00:35:18,700
[Jill] Quiet, please.
681
00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:20,785
[cheering continues]
682
00:35:20,785 --> 00:35:22,495
[Jill] Quiet, everybody!
Please listen.
683
00:35:24,122 --> 00:35:27,208
All right.
Wait. Please listen.
684
00:35:27,208 --> 00:35:28,960
We have a very difficult path.
685
00:35:30,503 --> 00:35:32,005
See, the question becomes
686
00:35:32,005 --> 00:35:33,715
what happens when a town
finally stands up
687
00:35:33,715 --> 00:35:35,342
to the federal government
688
00:35:35,342 --> 00:35:37,260
and says, "No, we’re not
gonna take it anymore"?
689
00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:39,179
‐[whistling, cheering]
‐[Jill] Please, please.
690
00:35:39,179 --> 00:35:40,180
Stop it, stop it, please.
691
00:35:42,849 --> 00:35:44,768
Cheering doesn’t help,
692
00:35:44,768 --> 00:35:47,562
especially when our
common ground is latent bigotry.
693
00:35:47,562 --> 00:35:50,523
Please,
let’s not celebrate that.
694
00:35:50,523 --> 00:35:52,150
Let’s...
695
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:54,611
Let’s concentrate
on what we have to do.
696
00:35:58,657 --> 00:35:59,908
Now, our plan is simple.
697
00:36:02,202 --> 00:36:05,747
We will not let our children
go to Green Bay.
698
00:36:05,747 --> 00:36:07,832
And we will not welcome
into our schools
699
00:36:07,832 --> 00:36:09,042
the children from Green Bay.
700
00:36:11,419 --> 00:36:13,421
I apologize to the students
from Green Bay
701
00:36:13,421 --> 00:36:14,255
and to their families.
702
00:36:15,799 --> 00:36:17,092
But today, Rome...
703
00:36:18,718 --> 00:36:19,803
has to think about Rome.
704
00:36:21,638 --> 00:36:22,972
Um...
705
00:36:22,972 --> 00:36:24,974
Mr. Dell will
now explain to you
706
00:36:24,974 --> 00:36:27,727
the legal consequences
of our actions.
707
00:36:27,727 --> 00:36:28,978
[Mr. Dell clears throat]
708
00:36:30,897 --> 00:36:34,150
The, uh, mayor
and the school board...
709
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:36,152
will likely be held
in contempt of federal court.
710
00:36:37,862 --> 00:36:39,781
Now, there should be no...
711
00:36:39,781 --> 00:36:42,659
sanctions taken against
any of you, no direct sanctions,
712
00:36:42,659 --> 00:36:44,828
but federal services
could be cut off.
713
00:36:44,828 --> 00:36:48,081
[crowd murmuring]
714
00:36:48,081 --> 00:36:49,958
[Dell] All right,
the main thing is...
715
00:36:49,958 --> 00:36:52,669
our civil disobedience...
716
00:36:52,669 --> 00:36:54,796
will likely effect
an immediate appellate review
717
00:36:54,796 --> 00:36:56,423
of the district court order.
718
00:36:56,423 --> 00:36:58,842
Now, there is a chance...
719
00:36:58,842 --> 00:37:02,470
that we can get
the busing decree
overturned at that point.
720
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:04,764
At the very least...
721
00:37:04,764 --> 00:37:06,808
we should be able to prevent
our kids from being bused out.
722
00:37:08,935 --> 00:37:11,312
Now, should we lose
on the incoming issue,
723
00:37:11,312 --> 00:37:15,900
we will, at least,
buy some time...
724
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:19,446
to accomplish
the integration plan
in an orderly manner.
725
00:37:22,365 --> 00:37:23,575
Dr. Brock.
726
00:37:24,868 --> 00:37:26,536
All right...
727
00:37:26,536 --> 00:37:28,371
Now, before we put
the plan through,
728
00:37:28,371 --> 00:37:29,497
we’re going to hold it open
to a voice vote.
729
00:37:30,957 --> 00:37:32,041
But before we do that...
730
00:37:34,252 --> 00:37:35,712
I just want you all
to think about something.
731
00:37:38,339 --> 00:37:40,717
I’ve lived in this town
for 13 years.
732
00:37:40,717 --> 00:37:42,969
I’ve seen one of my sons shot,
733
00:37:42,969 --> 00:37:45,805
I’ve had a daughter kidnapped.
734
00:37:45,805 --> 00:37:47,974
Rome has been a town
of considerable hardship.
735
00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:57,358
But this day, by far...
736
00:37:58,818 --> 00:37:59,694
is the saddest.
737
00:38:02,197 --> 00:38:04,532
If we say to those
Black children of Green Bay
738
00:38:04,532 --> 00:38:07,410
"No, you cannot come
to Rome, Wisconsin,"
739
00:38:07,410 --> 00:38:10,205
because of fear or...
or whatever...
740
00:38:15,126 --> 00:38:16,127
it’s the saddest day ever.
741
00:38:20,256 --> 00:38:23,760
We put a stain
on Rome, Wisconsin...
742
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:24,719
for all time.
743
00:38:29,224 --> 00:38:30,600
Yes, we have to
protect our children...
744
00:38:32,727 --> 00:38:33,603
but at what cost?
745
00:38:39,442 --> 00:38:42,362
[sighs] All right, I’m...
746
00:38:42,362 --> 00:38:44,155
I’m going to put this open
to voice vote now.
747
00:38:46,908 --> 00:38:50,078
[sighs] If you want us
to defy the busing order,
748
00:38:50,078 --> 00:38:51,830
please indicate now
with your applause.
749
00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:59,295
[applause starts]
750
00:39:13,017 --> 00:39:16,271
[applause swelling]
751
00:39:29,868 --> 00:39:32,161
[knocks on door]
752
00:39:32,161 --> 00:39:34,330
Well, isn’t this a happy time?
753
00:39:36,457 --> 00:39:39,419
I don’t work
on Mondays, I fish.
754
00:39:39,419 --> 00:39:41,671
What are you fishing for here?
755
00:39:41,671 --> 00:39:45,258
Seems the people here didn’t
heed Henry Bone after all.
756
00:39:45,258 --> 00:39:50,847
They also didn’t heed me.
Now, that’s a big mistake.
757
00:39:50,847 --> 00:39:54,350
Not eight o’clock
in the morning. You get
started early, don’t you?
758
00:39:54,350 --> 00:39:55,727
Well, the kids from Green Bay
759
00:39:55,727 --> 00:39:57,896
won’t be arriving
till about nine.
760
00:39:57,896 --> 00:39:59,188
What?
761
00:39:59,188 --> 00:40:01,608
Those kids are coming,
762
00:40:01,608 --> 00:40:03,985
whether the good people
of Rome, Wisconsin,
763
00:40:03,985 --> 00:40:05,528
welcome them or not.
764
00:40:05,528 --> 00:40:07,614
Are you nuts?
765
00:40:07,614 --> 00:40:10,283
I just told your mayor,
now I’m telling you.
766
00:40:10,283 --> 00:40:11,868
I’ve got nothing to do with it.
767
00:40:11,868 --> 00:40:15,705
Then find something to do.
Talk to them.
768
00:40:15,705 --> 00:40:18,458
Make them understand
they pissed off the wrong judge.
769
00:40:18,458 --> 00:40:21,836
Hey, if you think
I’m about to do your bidding,
770
00:40:21,836 --> 00:40:24,172
you just picked the wrong judge.
771
00:40:24,172 --> 00:40:27,175
You may scare a lot of people.
I’m not one of them.
772
00:40:27,175 --> 00:40:30,219
This is your town, your county.
773
00:40:30,219 --> 00:40:33,765
What happens
inside these borders
is your legacy.
774
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,226
Do you really know
what you’re doing?
775
00:40:38,603 --> 00:40:40,647
Yeah, Judge...
776
00:40:40,647 --> 00:40:41,648
I do.
777
00:40:49,864 --> 00:40:51,616
Well, what can we do?
778
00:40:51,616 --> 00:40:54,118
Short of any military response,
nothing now,
779
00:40:54,118 --> 00:40:55,662
but I’ll tell you this.
780
00:40:55,662 --> 00:40:57,747
Letting those kids
go into the schools
781
00:40:57,747 --> 00:40:59,666
with the climate
in this town right now,
782
00:40:59,666 --> 00:41:01,042
that’s dangerous.
783
00:41:01,042 --> 00:41:03,336
What are you suggesting?
784
00:41:03,336 --> 00:41:05,171
I’m suggesting you put a cop
in every classroom,
785
00:41:05,171 --> 00:41:06,881
in the hallways, too.
786
00:41:06,881 --> 00:41:08,132
And you might consider
restraining the parents
787
00:41:08,132 --> 00:41:09,676
from going to the schools.
788
00:41:09,676 --> 00:41:11,219
They’ll only exacerbate
the tension.
789
00:41:11,219 --> 00:41:13,304
I can’t believe
this is happening.
790
00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:15,890
Jimmy, assemble your men.
Go down to the school.
791
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:17,725
Keep those students
from getting off the buses.
792
00:41:17,725 --> 00:41:19,811
‐What?
‐Is there any chance
793
00:41:19,811 --> 00:41:22,188
there won’t be violence
if we let those kids in?
794
00:41:22,188 --> 00:41:24,440
After we declared them
to be unwelcome,
795
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,776
is there any chance
they won’t feel the hostility?
796
00:41:26,776 --> 00:41:29,362
She’s right.
What choice do we have?
797
00:41:29,362 --> 00:41:32,865
Just let things erupt?
I mean, what choice do we have?
798
00:41:32,865 --> 00:41:35,910
Go, Jimmy. Police blockade.
You’ve got 20 minutes.
799
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:37,870
Jill, there’s a big difference
between‐‐
800
00:41:37,870 --> 00:41:39,664
I’m not your wife talking,
I’m the mayor.
801
00:41:39,664 --> 00:41:41,082
Do it.
802
00:41:43,251 --> 00:41:44,711
[sirens wailing]
803
00:41:55,555 --> 00:41:58,516
[indistinct conversations]
804
00:41:58,516 --> 00:42:03,604
All right, Kenny,
get these people
inside the school.
805
00:42:03,604 --> 00:42:07,066
Students will remain
inside the building
until further notice.
806
00:42:07,066 --> 00:42:08,985
Nobody comes out until then.
807
00:42:08,985 --> 00:42:10,945
[deputy] Get those kids back in.
808
00:42:10,945 --> 00:42:13,322
All right, disperse
and go home folks, please.
809
00:42:13,322 --> 00:42:14,407
Get behind that barrier.
810
00:42:14,407 --> 00:42:17,076
[female officer]
Get back.
811
00:42:17,076 --> 00:42:19,245
[officer on radio]
This is Unit seven.
Affirmative. In position.
812
00:42:19,245 --> 00:42:21,330
[Jimmy] News media,
if you want to help...
813
00:42:21,330 --> 00:42:23,374
‐Hey, this is unbelievable.
‐I know.
814
00:42:25,251 --> 00:42:26,919
[exhaling sharply]
815
00:42:26,919 --> 00:42:29,047
I apologize.
816
00:42:29,047 --> 00:42:31,007
My first priority has to be
to prevent violence.
817
00:42:31,007 --> 00:42:32,884
I apologize.
818
00:42:32,884 --> 00:42:34,052
[man] Get those spectators
behind the barricades.
819
00:42:34,052 --> 00:42:35,136
That’s what they’re for.
820
00:42:35,136 --> 00:42:37,597
[Kenny] Jimmy! Here we go.
821
00:42:47,356 --> 00:42:50,443
[man] All right, people,
just help us here.
822
00:42:50,443 --> 00:42:51,778
[Jimmy] All right,
positions everybody!
823
00:42:55,156 --> 00:42:56,657
[indistinct chatter]
824
00:43:32,276 --> 00:43:34,612
[soldier 1] One, two, three,
fall out!
825
00:43:34,612 --> 00:43:39,033
[soldier 1
speaking indistinctly]
826
00:43:39,033 --> 00:43:41,410
[soldier 1]
Take the walkway!
827
00:43:41,410 --> 00:43:43,496
[soldier 2] Move it, move it,
move it. Move, move, move.
828
00:43:47,792 --> 00:43:49,669
[Lt. Col. Joseph Brown]
Sheriff Brock?
829
00:43:49,669 --> 00:43:52,463
Lieutenant Colonel Joseph Brown
with the National Guard.
830
00:43:52,463 --> 00:43:54,257
We’re just here to get
some kids into school, sir.
831
00:43:54,257 --> 00:43:55,883
Would you instruct your men
to let ’em through?
832
00:43:55,883 --> 00:43:59,220
Well, my orders
are to keep the kids on the bus.
833
00:43:59,220 --> 00:44:01,430
My orders are that these kids
will be in that school, sir.
834
00:44:04,934 --> 00:44:07,145
[sighs] You want
a confrontation, Colonel?
835
00:44:07,145 --> 00:44:09,605
Do you, Sheriff?
836
00:44:09,605 --> 00:44:11,899
I have orders not to back down
from one.
837
00:44:11,899 --> 00:44:14,193
Now, these kids are going to get
into the school.
838
00:44:18,072 --> 00:44:20,408
[indistinct radio chatter]
839
00:44:26,581 --> 00:44:30,501
All right, deputies, listen up.
Sheriff Brock here.
840
00:44:30,501 --> 00:44:32,253
Abandon the last order.
841
00:44:32,253 --> 00:44:35,298
That’s, uh, right. Repeat.
Abandon.
842
00:44:35,298 --> 00:44:36,507
That is an order.
843
00:44:45,141 --> 00:44:46,017
Thank you, sir.
844
00:44:47,810 --> 00:44:49,103
Okay, let’s not be late.
845
00:44:53,232 --> 00:44:54,358
Open it up.
846
00:44:57,278 --> 00:44:58,112
Come on, son.
847
00:45:03,784 --> 00:45:05,453
[♪♪♪]
848
00:45:09,832 --> 00:45:11,542
[camera shutters clicking]
849
00:46:02,009 --> 00:46:03,636
[♪♪♪]
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