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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,418 --> 00:00:03,212 ‐[door opens] ‐[phone ringing] 2 00:00:03,212 --> 00:00:05,380 What’s the problem, Henry? You sounded panicked. 3 00:00:05,380 --> 00:00:07,674 We received a federal court order this morning. 4 00:00:07,674 --> 00:00:09,426 Certified to the city council. 5 00:00:09,426 --> 00:00:11,845 A court order. For what? 6 00:00:11,845 --> 00:00:14,765 Some Green Bay parents, together with the NAACP, 7 00:00:14,765 --> 00:00:17,309 filed an action for desegregation last spring. 8 00:00:17,309 --> 00:00:19,394 They included a busing plan 9 00:00:19,394 --> 00:00:21,605 for Green Bay kids to go to Windsor schools. 10 00:00:21,605 --> 00:00:23,774 So, what’s that got to do with us? 11 00:00:23,774 --> 00:00:26,151 Well, the judge ruled yesterday, 12 00:00:26,151 --> 00:00:27,903 he liked the plan, except for Windsor. 13 00:00:27,903 --> 00:00:29,238 He thought their schools couldn’t handle it, so... 14 00:00:31,657 --> 00:00:32,741 he decided on Rome. 15 00:00:32,741 --> 00:00:34,535 ‐What? ‐What? 16 00:00:34,535 --> 00:00:36,411 Our school district crosses into Brown County, 17 00:00:36,411 --> 00:00:38,080 we’re eligible. 18 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:39,748 The judge wants it done immediately 19 00:00:39,748 --> 00:00:41,542 because we’re beginning a school term. 20 00:00:41,542 --> 00:00:42,960 What are you saying? 21 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,837 Starting on Monday, 400 Black students 22 00:00:45,837 --> 00:00:47,464 are being bused here from Green Bay. 23 00:00:49,967 --> 00:00:52,678 Well, can, can we handle this economically? 24 00:00:52,678 --> 00:00:54,513 It isn’t just economics. 25 00:00:54,513 --> 00:00:57,349 The kids to be bused come from a gang area. 26 00:00:57,349 --> 00:01:00,143 There’s a budding gang problem in Green Bay and these... 27 00:01:00,143 --> 00:01:02,729 kids are the kids in question. 28 00:01:02,729 --> 00:01:05,524 I think it’s not as much about desegregation 29 00:01:05,524 --> 00:01:07,359 as it is getting rid of the troublemakers. 30 00:01:07,359 --> 00:01:09,778 They want to ship out the bad element. 31 00:01:09,778 --> 00:01:11,321 And ship it to Rome. 32 00:01:14,324 --> 00:01:15,993 [theme music playing] 33 00:02:17,387 --> 00:02:19,389 [indistinct arguing] 34 00:02:19,389 --> 00:02:21,767 Of course we do not question the lobby. 35 00:02:21,767 --> 00:02:23,352 [Jimmy] Quiet, quiet. 36 00:02:23,352 --> 00:02:26,563 ‐Calm down! ‐We really need a mayor. 37 00:02:26,563 --> 00:02:29,274 Hold on, hold on. We got an election in a month. 38 00:02:29,274 --> 00:02:31,652 The City Council can handle this. 39 00:02:31,652 --> 00:02:33,779 ‐[man 1] We can’t wait that long. ‐[man 2] We need a mayor. 40 00:02:33,779 --> 00:02:35,447 Ellen McGrath is a ranking council member 41 00:02:35,447 --> 00:02:37,282 but she’s been inactive. 42 00:02:37,282 --> 00:02:38,867 Henry, you do it. 43 00:02:38,867 --> 00:02:40,535 Well, I’ve got an Episcopalian conference 44 00:02:40,535 --> 00:02:42,913 this weekend‐‐ I’m the key note speaker. 45 00:02:42,913 --> 00:02:44,706 I leave for Las Vegas in two hours. 46 00:02:44,706 --> 00:02:46,917 ‐Michael? ‐Not a chance. 47 00:02:46,917 --> 00:02:49,670 [chuckles] Forget it. 48 00:02:49,670 --> 00:02:51,838 Well, nobody wants it. Maybe we should just give it to Wambaugh. 49 00:02:51,838 --> 00:02:53,298 ‐What? ‐[others disagreeing] 50 00:02:53,298 --> 00:02:55,300 Well, somebody’s gotta do it. 51 00:02:55,300 --> 00:02:56,760 Well, how about you, Jill? 52 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:58,637 Me? No, no, I... 53 00:02:58,637 --> 00:03:00,389 I’m not even a member of the City Council, 54 00:03:00,389 --> 00:03:02,015 I’m only here as a member of the school committee. 55 00:03:02,015 --> 00:03:04,434 ‐How about co‐mayors? ‐[Michael] What? 56 00:03:04,434 --> 00:03:05,394 Yeah, two people. 57 00:03:06,770 --> 00:03:08,855 They work together. 58 00:03:08,855 --> 00:03:11,817 ‐And it’s only temporary for one month. ‐[Michael] For who? 59 00:03:11,817 --> 00:03:13,777 Which two? 60 00:03:13,777 --> 00:03:15,570 Well, Jill and Jason. 61 00:03:15,570 --> 00:03:17,030 ‐Me? ‐No, why‐‐ 62 00:03:17,030 --> 00:03:18,281 Look, you just split the duties, okay? 63 00:03:18,281 --> 00:03:19,783 Oh, I’m a doctor. I can’t. 64 00:03:19,783 --> 00:03:22,661 You’re also trusted by the town. Both of you. 65 00:03:22,661 --> 00:03:24,621 You’ve done a great job on the city council, Jason. 66 00:03:24,621 --> 00:03:26,248 ‐I am not a mayor. I have a medical practice. ‐No, I... 67 00:03:26,248 --> 00:03:27,916 I don’t want the job. It’s bad luck. 68 00:03:27,916 --> 00:03:31,086 Nobody wants the job, but this is a crisis. 69 00:03:31,086 --> 00:03:33,171 ‐We need you. ‐This is, this is busing. 70 00:03:34,631 --> 00:03:35,632 Think about the children. 71 00:03:40,137 --> 00:03:42,597 It’s only for a month. 72 00:03:42,597 --> 00:03:43,682 [clears throat] 73 00:03:45,267 --> 00:03:48,520 [sighs] All right, I’ll do it... 74 00:03:48,937 --> 00:03:50,063 if you will. 75 00:03:58,947 --> 00:04:00,949 All right. Well, just until this busing thing is over, though. 76 00:04:00,949 --> 00:04:02,075 Then I’m out. 77 00:04:04,411 --> 00:04:05,871 [Kenny] Look at this. 78 00:04:05,871 --> 00:04:07,122 [Max gasps] 79 00:04:07,122 --> 00:04:08,832 [indistinct conversations] 80 00:04:08,832 --> 00:04:10,667 Oh, my God. 81 00:04:10,667 --> 00:04:11,501 [Kenny] There’s even a fold out. 82 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,841 Oh. Oh, no. 83 00:04:17,841 --> 00:04:20,886 ‐Oh, I feel sick. ‐See this one. 84 00:04:20,886 --> 00:04:22,012 Did you pose for this smut rag? 85 00:04:22,012 --> 00:04:23,805 [gasps] No. 86 00:04:23,805 --> 00:04:25,891 Well, I‐I mean, I posed, 87 00:04:25,891 --> 00:04:27,601 but they’re supposed to be private pictures for myself, 88 00:04:27,601 --> 00:04:29,644 not for a magazine. How did they get in there? 89 00:04:29,644 --> 00:04:30,687 The photographer must have sold them. 90 00:04:33,023 --> 00:04:34,649 Oh, my father’s gonna see this. 91 00:04:34,649 --> 00:04:36,943 ‐Max, everyone’s gonna see this. ‐[Maxine groans] 92 00:04:36,943 --> 00:04:39,488 And it gets even worse or better depending on your point of view. 93 00:04:42,032 --> 00:04:45,619 [coughs, retches] 94 00:04:45,619 --> 00:04:47,579 [inhales sharply] Oh. 95 00:04:47,579 --> 00:04:48,955 ‐[Kimberly] Are you sick? ‐[Douglas] Mmm. 96 00:04:48,955 --> 00:04:51,583 ‐Should I call an ambulance? ‐No. 97 00:04:51,583 --> 00:04:53,919 ‐[Douglas] Oh. ‐What’s wrong? 98 00:04:53,919 --> 00:04:56,838 I filed an appeal with the State Supreme Court on Brian Latham‐‐ 99 00:04:56,838 --> 00:05:00,050 the unconstitutional confession, you know. 100 00:05:00,050 --> 00:05:01,885 And did they rule already? 101 00:05:01,885 --> 00:05:03,970 No, they refused to rule. 102 00:05:03,970 --> 00:05:06,431 Instead they certified it for immediate appeal 103 00:05:06,431 --> 00:05:08,016 to the US Supreme Court. 104 00:05:09,518 --> 00:05:11,895 And? 105 00:05:11,895 --> 00:05:15,774 The Supreme Court granted us certiorari. 106 00:05:15,774 --> 00:05:17,526 Just like that, they grant cert. 107 00:05:17,526 --> 00:05:18,902 What does that mean? 108 00:05:18,902 --> 00:05:21,363 Hey, did you hear? 109 00:05:21,363 --> 00:05:24,282 ‐Did I hear? ‐Hear what? I haven’t heard. 110 00:05:24,282 --> 00:05:26,201 This case is going to the Supreme Court. 111 00:05:26,201 --> 00:05:30,205 You and I are going to argue before the Supreme Court. 112 00:05:30,205 --> 00:05:32,374 [Douglas] Ah. [chuckles] Oh. 113 00:05:32,374 --> 00:05:35,293 I should, should be upset of, of... 114 00:05:35,293 --> 00:05:37,504 I’m supposed to wish there’d be no appeal, but... 115 00:05:37,504 --> 00:05:40,131 I never thought I’d see the day. 116 00:05:40,131 --> 00:05:45,428 You and I are going to the Supreme Court of the United States, baby! 117 00:05:45,428 --> 00:05:47,556 [both laughing] 118 00:05:51,852 --> 00:05:54,229 I have no jurisdiction over a federal court order. 119 00:05:54,229 --> 00:05:56,690 Yes. Yes, of course, we understand that, Your Honor. 120 00:05:56,690 --> 00:05:59,401 But if you will give us a state court injunction, 121 00:05:59,401 --> 00:06:02,112 that should at least enable us to get some immediate appellate review. 122 00:06:02,112 --> 00:06:04,573 We have nothing against desegregation. 123 00:06:04,573 --> 00:06:06,241 So long as they don’t try it in Rome. 124 00:06:06,241 --> 00:06:07,534 No, no, that isn’t it, Your Honor. 125 00:06:07,534 --> 00:06:09,077 It isn’t that we don’t want 126 00:06:09,077 --> 00:06:10,871 a Black student population in our schools. 127 00:06:10,871 --> 00:06:13,039 You’re just concerned for those Black youngsters. 128 00:06:13,039 --> 00:06:15,417 You want to be ready to give them the best education possible. 129 00:06:15,417 --> 00:06:17,544 All we’re saying is let’s not rush it. 130 00:06:17,544 --> 00:06:19,379 People are going to react to this. 131 00:06:19,379 --> 00:06:20,839 It’s on account of it’s suddenness. 132 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,507 On account of the suddenness. 133 00:06:22,507 --> 00:06:24,718 And a delay will allow us to accomplish 134 00:06:24,718 --> 00:06:27,137 the desegregation in the most peaceful manner. 135 00:06:27,137 --> 00:06:29,681 Mm‐hmm. Which would be the best thing 136 00:06:29,681 --> 00:06:31,099 ‐for those Black students. ‐[Franklin] Exactly. 137 00:06:33,977 --> 00:06:36,438 So, you give us the injunction, we take it to federal court‐‐ 138 00:06:36,438 --> 00:06:38,273 I won’t give it to you. 139 00:06:38,273 --> 00:06:40,025 Your Honor, all we’re trying to do is‐‐ 140 00:06:40,025 --> 00:06:41,568 [Judge] I know exactly what you’re trying to do. 141 00:06:41,568 --> 00:06:43,445 And it doesn’t pass the smell test. 142 00:06:43,445 --> 00:06:46,156 Your Honor, if we announce to the town 143 00:06:46,156 --> 00:06:49,910 that those buses are rolling in here on Monday... 144 00:06:49,910 --> 00:06:51,453 things could just blow up. 145 00:06:51,453 --> 00:06:53,330 Well, if you want to stop those buses, 146 00:06:53,330 --> 00:06:55,165 you have to get the federal court to do it. I won’t. 147 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,002 Very well... 148 00:06:59,002 --> 00:06:59,961 We go to federal court. 149 00:07:02,589 --> 00:07:03,715 [Judge] I’d think real hard on that. 150 00:07:05,216 --> 00:07:07,052 The only thing you’ll succeed in 151 00:07:07,052 --> 00:07:10,388 is telling those Black students that they are not welcome here. 152 00:07:10,388 --> 00:07:13,350 And that could buy you the very trouble you’re afraid of. 153 00:07:17,771 --> 00:07:18,897 [indistinct background conversations] 154 00:07:20,899 --> 00:07:22,442 [door closes] 155 00:07:22,442 --> 00:07:23,693 ‐Come on, stay back. ‐[crowd clamoring] 156 00:07:23,693 --> 00:07:25,236 Let ’em through. 157 00:07:25,236 --> 00:07:26,821 [male reporter] When does the city council vote? 158 00:07:26,821 --> 00:07:27,989 [woman] How many students are being bused in? 159 00:07:27,989 --> 00:07:29,574 Look, you know as much as we do, 160 00:07:29,574 --> 00:07:30,992 the federal order’s already in place. 161 00:07:30,992 --> 00:07:32,786 How could you get to be mayor? 162 00:07:32,786 --> 00:07:34,162 It’s a temporary position till the election. 163 00:07:34,162 --> 00:07:35,455 Yeah, why you, Jill? 164 00:07:35,455 --> 00:07:37,540 You have no political background. 165 00:07:37,540 --> 00:07:40,001 I’m supposed to feel safe with you in charge? No offense. 166 00:07:40,001 --> 00:07:42,295 Well, first of all, I have excellent diplomatic skills, 167 00:07:42,295 --> 00:07:44,172 and second of all, you can stick it up your ass. 168 00:07:44,172 --> 00:07:46,091 ‐[crowd clamoring] ‐Come on, step back. 169 00:07:46,091 --> 00:07:48,259 ‐[woman] One more question! ‐Go on, clear out. 170 00:07:48,259 --> 00:07:50,387 ‐Let’s do it. ‐[man] All right. 171 00:07:50,387 --> 00:07:53,056 Okay, look, we need to go over these trial transcripts, okay? 172 00:07:53,056 --> 00:07:55,016 We need to get your signatures. 173 00:07:55,016 --> 00:07:56,685 The Supreme Court briefs are going to want verified amendments. 174 00:07:56,685 --> 00:07:58,311 What does that mean? 175 00:07:58,311 --> 00:08:00,146 If you agree to send your testimony right, 176 00:08:00,146 --> 00:08:02,023 you just sign the last page. 177 00:08:02,023 --> 00:08:03,817 We can do this in my office, okay, the sooner the be‐‐ 178 00:08:03,817 --> 00:08:04,859 ‐[Doug] Oh! ‐[man] Sorry. 179 00:08:09,239 --> 00:08:11,032 He gave it to me. 180 00:08:11,032 --> 00:08:14,369 I subscribe, you know. That and National Geographic. 181 00:08:14,369 --> 00:08:16,830 So I can see all the places I know I’ll never get to visit. 182 00:08:20,291 --> 00:08:21,501 I just read the interviews. 183 00:08:23,128 --> 00:08:24,713 [man] Let’s clear this hallway. 184 00:08:24,713 --> 00:08:27,090 We have to stick to reason. 185 00:08:27,090 --> 00:08:29,884 So, we’ll argue the overcrowding of the schools, 186 00:08:29,884 --> 00:08:32,178 ‐the suddenness‐‐ ‐How about the potential violence, 187 00:08:32,178 --> 00:08:33,805 and the parents worrying? 188 00:08:33,805 --> 00:08:35,890 Or the efficacy of forced busing, in general. 189 00:08:35,890 --> 00:08:37,976 Most studies show that it just doesn’t work. 190 00:08:37,976 --> 00:08:40,353 That’s a loser. This judge obviously thinks it does work. 191 00:08:40,353 --> 00:08:43,940 ‐Who is this judge? ‐He’s progressive, proactive, and Black. 192 00:08:43,940 --> 00:08:48,028 He wants busing to work and he wants it to work in Rome. 193 00:08:48,028 --> 00:08:51,322 And trust me on this, if we go in there hysterical, 194 00:08:51,322 --> 00:08:55,285 arguing gang violence or anything that smacks of racial paranoia, we are dead. 195 00:08:56,870 --> 00:08:59,039 I’ve appeared before this judge. 196 00:08:59,039 --> 00:09:00,582 You don’t want to make him angry. 197 00:09:08,256 --> 00:09:12,052 Time. All they want is time. 198 00:09:12,052 --> 00:09:14,763 Well, that’s all they wanted in Little Rock in 1958. 199 00:09:14,763 --> 00:09:17,265 And that’s all Rome wants today. 200 00:09:17,265 --> 00:09:20,518 Your Honor, nobody loves righteous indignation more than I. 201 00:09:20,518 --> 00:09:22,896 It is the tone that I often employ with juries, 202 00:09:22,896 --> 00:09:24,689 but I don’t think that a federal court judge 203 00:09:24,689 --> 00:09:26,608 is going to be fooled by it. 204 00:09:26,608 --> 00:09:30,028 Don’t overestimate me, Counsel. 205 00:09:30,028 --> 00:09:33,073 We’re here today in the spirit of simple pragmatism. And I‐‐ 206 00:09:33,073 --> 00:09:37,202 You find desegregation to be anti‐pragmatic, Counsel? 207 00:09:37,202 --> 00:09:38,953 I certainly do not. 208 00:09:38,953 --> 00:09:42,624 But forced integration... in a sudden manner, 209 00:09:42,624 --> 00:09:46,127 to order a plan which gives the school system no time to prepare‐‐ 210 00:09:46,127 --> 00:09:50,298 Prepare emotionally, or are we still talking pragmatic here? 211 00:09:50,298 --> 00:09:52,050 The latter. 212 00:09:52,050 --> 00:09:53,885 Your Honor, 213 00:09:53,885 --> 00:09:57,222 this court order poses a logistical apocalypse. 214 00:09:57,222 --> 00:09:59,766 Classes are already in session. 215 00:09:59,766 --> 00:10:03,353 An influx of 400 new students next Monday 216 00:10:03,353 --> 00:10:05,939 will have a devastating administrative effect. 217 00:10:05,939 --> 00:10:07,899 It will present problems of overcrowding in the classroom. 218 00:10:07,899 --> 00:10:11,069 There are 7000 students in Rome. 219 00:10:11,069 --> 00:10:12,821 Surely 400 more would not‐‐ 220 00:10:12,821 --> 00:10:16,616 Exactly. The schools are already bulging. 221 00:10:16,616 --> 00:10:19,869 Plus which, there could be special ed needs posed by this plan. 222 00:10:19,869 --> 00:10:21,412 And yes, 223 00:10:21,412 --> 00:10:24,207 there could be some social problems 224 00:10:24,207 --> 00:10:28,753 necessitating more counselors or other more extreme needs. 225 00:10:28,753 --> 00:10:31,256 This is a major undertaking. 226 00:10:31,256 --> 00:10:35,927 To do it in a rash manner invites chaos, it begs tumult. 227 00:10:35,927 --> 00:10:38,388 [Judge Nance] But the fall session is beginning now. 228 00:10:38,388 --> 00:10:40,890 And suppose we wait a couple of months 229 00:10:40,890 --> 00:10:42,934 and then bring the students in. 230 00:10:42,934 --> 00:10:46,187 Wouldn’t that be even more disruptive, 231 00:10:46,187 --> 00:10:48,565 changing things in the middle of the school term? 232 00:10:48,565 --> 00:10:52,277 No. With time, we can prepare for change. 233 00:10:52,277 --> 00:10:55,155 The adjustments can be made with considered planning‐‐ 234 00:10:55,155 --> 00:10:58,366 Oh, come on now, Counsel. What planning? 235 00:10:58,366 --> 00:11:00,451 The teachers have their syllabuses. 236 00:11:00,451 --> 00:11:02,787 They know what they’re going to teach. 237 00:11:02,787 --> 00:11:05,582 So you have a couple of extra kids in class‐‐ 238 00:11:05,582 --> 00:11:07,959 you buy a few more books. 239 00:11:07,959 --> 00:11:09,377 So what’s all this adjustment about? 240 00:11:09,377 --> 00:11:11,171 Your Honor, there‐‐ 241 00:11:11,171 --> 00:11:12,922 You see, we’ve just arrived at the crucial point 242 00:11:12,922 --> 00:11:14,924 of this hearing Mr. Dell. 243 00:11:14,924 --> 00:11:17,552 It’s just about now I’ve got to gauge 244 00:11:17,552 --> 00:11:20,430 just how credible a petitioner you are. 245 00:11:20,430 --> 00:11:23,099 For me to find you persuasive, 246 00:11:23,099 --> 00:11:25,894 I’ve got to believe that you’re coming at me straight. 247 00:11:27,395 --> 00:11:29,981 So I’m asking you again... 248 00:11:29,981 --> 00:11:33,651 We’re talking a few extra kids per class. 249 00:11:33,651 --> 00:11:36,404 We handle the transportation from our end, 250 00:11:36,404 --> 00:11:38,823 so what’s all this adjustment about? 251 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,208 Your Honor, 252 00:11:48,208 --> 00:11:53,588 this is obviously a very white community. 253 00:11:53,588 --> 00:11:56,382 The sudden influx of inner city Black youth 254 00:11:56,382 --> 00:12:00,428 is going to result in some people being concerned, even paranoid. 255 00:12:01,930 --> 00:12:03,848 I see. 256 00:12:03,848 --> 00:12:07,310 And by recognizing this potential paranoia 257 00:12:07,310 --> 00:12:09,020 and responding to it, 258 00:12:09,020 --> 00:12:12,232 how do I not perpetuate it? 259 00:12:12,232 --> 00:12:15,109 I’m simply making a plea for common sense. 260 00:12:15,109 --> 00:12:17,779 By pushing this integration plan too fast, 261 00:12:17,779 --> 00:12:21,115 you are promoting a volatile situation‐‐ 262 00:12:21,115 --> 00:12:22,825 And by holding off, 263 00:12:22,825 --> 00:12:26,371 I am legitimizing a public panic grounded in racism. 264 00:12:28,122 --> 00:12:30,375 Suppose there is violence, Your Honor, 265 00:12:30,375 --> 00:12:33,044 a kid winds up dead. 266 00:12:33,044 --> 00:12:35,630 What, you’re going to sit up there proud having clung to your principle? 267 00:12:35,630 --> 00:12:39,300 Are you going to lecture me on my principles, Mr. Dell? 268 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:41,594 I’m simply reminding you that while you are perched high 269 00:12:41,594 --> 00:12:44,097 wrapped in the safety of that cloak, 270 00:12:44,097 --> 00:12:46,641 these people will have to live in that town. 271 00:12:46,641 --> 00:12:49,435 Their children are in those schools 272 00:12:49,435 --> 00:12:53,022 and you are making those schools less safe. 273 00:12:53,022 --> 00:12:55,817 By populating it with Black students? 274 00:12:55,817 --> 00:12:58,319 By affecting the climate of racial tension. 275 00:12:58,319 --> 00:13:00,697 I see. 276 00:13:00,697 --> 00:13:04,450 Well, Mr. Dell, you have indeed persuaded me. 277 00:13:04,450 --> 00:13:07,829 I now have a much better understanding of the town of Rome. 278 00:13:07,829 --> 00:13:11,708 So I’m going to modify my original order. 279 00:13:11,708 --> 00:13:16,296 The only argument I give any credence to is the one of overcrowding. 280 00:13:16,296 --> 00:13:19,674 I certainly don’t want to see congested classrooms. 281 00:13:19,674 --> 00:13:23,303 So, to accommodate the 400 students I’m brining in, 282 00:13:23,303 --> 00:13:25,888 I’m ordering that 400 Rome students 283 00:13:25,888 --> 00:13:28,182 be bused out to Green Bay. 284 00:13:28,182 --> 00:13:30,393 What? 285 00:13:30,393 --> 00:13:34,188 Oh, well, I share your space concerns, Mr. Dell. 286 00:13:34,188 --> 00:13:38,609 I also share your concerns over Rome’s cultural attitudes. 287 00:13:38,609 --> 00:13:39,694 They need attention. 288 00:13:41,487 --> 00:13:42,864 Your Honor... 289 00:13:43,698 --> 00:13:45,074 you can’t be serious. 290 00:13:45,074 --> 00:13:47,577 Oh, but I can. 291 00:13:47,577 --> 00:13:49,245 And I leave it to your school board 292 00:13:49,245 --> 00:13:51,289 to decide which of your children will go. 293 00:13:51,289 --> 00:13:55,126 But 400 of them will go. 294 00:13:55,126 --> 00:13:58,588 So have a lovely day in your lovely town. 295 00:14:00,006 --> 00:14:01,841 Adjourned. 296 00:14:05,762 --> 00:14:08,306 ‐Are there any more? ‐Excuse me? 297 00:14:08,306 --> 00:14:09,682 [John] Pictures. 298 00:14:11,142 --> 00:14:12,560 Are there any others that could surface 299 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:14,687 that I should know about? 300 00:14:14,687 --> 00:14:16,064 That’s all there is. 301 00:14:17,482 --> 00:14:20,109 Look, I know this isn’t easy for you, okay? 302 00:14:20,109 --> 00:14:22,403 ‐[phone ringing] ‐[indistinct conversation] 303 00:14:24,238 --> 00:14:26,991 Thank you. 304 00:14:26,991 --> 00:14:28,743 And I don’t mean to jump back 305 00:14:28,743 --> 00:14:31,162 on my credibility soap box again, but... 306 00:14:31,162 --> 00:14:33,206 you were the arresting officer 307 00:14:33,206 --> 00:14:35,374 on a case that’s now going to the Supreme Court. 308 00:14:35,374 --> 00:14:38,336 Gotta have a response to this. 309 00:14:38,336 --> 00:14:40,338 So, I gotta ask you... 310 00:14:42,548 --> 00:14:43,424 Why? 311 00:14:47,845 --> 00:14:49,097 [sighs] 312 00:14:52,558 --> 00:14:54,393 They were just for me. 313 00:14:56,437 --> 00:14:57,647 So that I’d have them when... 314 00:15:01,025 --> 00:15:01,984 I don’t know, when I was old. 315 00:15:04,445 --> 00:15:07,281 You wanted these pictures for yourself when you were old? 316 00:15:07,281 --> 00:15:09,367 Look, I don’t have to explain myself to you. 317 00:15:11,494 --> 00:15:12,453 No, you don’t. 318 00:15:20,002 --> 00:15:21,295 [sighs] When I was a girl... 319 00:15:24,382 --> 00:15:26,092 I always dreamed about being pretty enough 320 00:15:26,092 --> 00:15:27,468 to be in one of those magazines. 321 00:15:30,596 --> 00:15:31,472 The... 322 00:15:33,099 --> 00:15:34,267 The pictures were just for me. 323 00:15:38,146 --> 00:15:40,815 Or maybe I’d... show my husband one day. 324 00:15:42,733 --> 00:15:45,111 I don’t know. 325 00:15:45,111 --> 00:15:46,946 Look, I’m very sorry that this has happened. 326 00:15:51,242 --> 00:15:52,702 Let’s review these transcripts, okay? 327 00:16:06,549 --> 00:16:07,550 [knocking on door] 328 00:16:09,635 --> 00:16:11,012 Excuse me, Your Honor. 329 00:16:11,012 --> 00:16:11,971 I’m eating my lunch. 330 00:16:14,265 --> 00:16:16,309 Is it your intent to disrupt my lunch? 331 00:16:16,309 --> 00:16:19,604 To disrupt it with an ex parte communication? 332 00:16:19,604 --> 00:16:20,813 I’ll be very brief. 333 00:16:23,024 --> 00:16:26,277 This is Jill Brock, Mayor Protem of Rome, Wisconsin. 334 00:16:26,277 --> 00:16:28,154 How do you do? 335 00:16:28,154 --> 00:16:29,363 Fine, thank you. 336 00:16:29,363 --> 00:16:30,531 Your Honor, 337 00:16:30,531 --> 00:16:32,491 we could not be more supportive 338 00:16:32,491 --> 00:16:34,452 of the spirit of integration. 339 00:16:36,287 --> 00:16:37,830 [Franklin] Yes. 340 00:16:37,830 --> 00:16:40,625 Well, I’d like to suggest a proposal. 341 00:16:40,625 --> 00:16:44,086 Revoke the part about busing Rome kids out... 342 00:16:44,086 --> 00:16:48,299 and give us a month, just one month, 343 00:16:48,299 --> 00:16:51,594 to prepare for the Green Bay kids coming in, 344 00:16:51,594 --> 00:16:53,846 and we will make this work. 345 00:16:55,348 --> 00:16:57,808 We’ll make it work, beautifully. 346 00:16:57,808 --> 00:17:01,854 You disturbed my lunch with a proposal? 347 00:17:01,854 --> 00:17:04,774 Did it look like I was negotiating up there on that bench? 348 00:17:04,774 --> 00:17:06,234 Was I sending you the message, 349 00:17:06,234 --> 00:17:08,319 "Come hither with a counteroffer"? 350 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:12,490 Um...no. 351 00:17:12,490 --> 00:17:15,034 We’re just trying to appeal to common sense. 352 00:17:15,034 --> 00:17:19,163 I hate appeals and I loathe common sense. 353 00:17:19,163 --> 00:17:20,915 Your Honor, please. 354 00:17:20,915 --> 00:17:23,084 [Judge Nance] You come to me with a proposal. 355 00:17:23,084 --> 00:17:25,628 Now, that disrespects me. 356 00:17:25,628 --> 00:17:28,005 It says you don’t take my orders seriously. 357 00:17:28,005 --> 00:17:31,259 We’re just trying to show you how big a problem we have. 358 00:17:31,259 --> 00:17:33,594 Well, you got that right, Madam Mayor. 359 00:17:33,594 --> 00:17:36,180 We have ourselves a very big problem. 360 00:17:36,180 --> 00:17:38,349 And I’m trying to deal with it. 361 00:17:38,349 --> 00:17:41,561 And I’m ordering you... to deal with it. 362 00:17:43,729 --> 00:17:45,147 [Zach] What if we get picked? 363 00:17:45,147 --> 00:17:47,608 I don’t know. 364 00:17:47,608 --> 00:17:49,694 But we’re as white as they come, Zack. 365 00:17:49,694 --> 00:17:51,153 We’d be the first ones they kill. 366 00:17:52,697 --> 00:17:54,740 They wouldn’t kill us. 367 00:17:54,740 --> 00:17:56,158 I read where Black kids kill each other. 368 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,122 I know, but... we’ve even got red hair. 369 00:18:01,122 --> 00:18:02,915 They wouldn’t kill us. 370 00:18:02,915 --> 00:18:05,751 Black people are the same as white people. 371 00:18:05,751 --> 00:18:07,503 They just have different skin. 372 00:18:07,503 --> 00:18:10,298 Otherwise, they’re just the same. 373 00:18:10,298 --> 00:18:13,718 Johnny Simpson’s Black. You like him. 374 00:18:13,718 --> 00:18:15,970 I know. 375 00:18:15,970 --> 00:18:18,931 But it’s different when they’re in groups. 376 00:18:18,931 --> 00:18:22,727 Look, I’m sure we won’t get picked, and even if we do, 377 00:18:22,727 --> 00:18:23,811 it’ll be fine. 378 00:18:27,273 --> 00:18:28,733 Then how come Mom and Dad are scared? 379 00:18:29,817 --> 00:18:31,485 I don’t know. 380 00:18:38,659 --> 00:18:41,120 There’s always private school. If our kids get picked, then‐‐ 381 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:42,955 Well, why don’t we just designate a different neighborhood 382 00:18:42,955 --> 00:18:45,082 so they don’t get picked? 383 00:18:45,082 --> 00:18:47,251 Well, we can’t do that, Jimmy. That’s not fair. 384 00:18:47,251 --> 00:18:49,712 A lottery is the only way to be fair. We gotta be fair. 385 00:18:49,712 --> 00:18:52,840 Jill, I don’t care how liberal‐minded we’re supposed to be, 386 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,425 we’re not letting our children be bused 387 00:18:54,425 --> 00:18:56,135 to an inner city school with gangs. 388 00:18:56,135 --> 00:18:57,887 Well, listen to you. You sound like me. 389 00:19:05,478 --> 00:19:06,604 [sighs] 390 00:19:07,897 --> 00:19:09,982 So, what’s gonna happen? 391 00:19:09,982 --> 00:19:11,692 Well, they’ve called a special town meeting 392 00:19:11,692 --> 00:19:13,653 for tomorrow, Saturday. 393 00:19:13,653 --> 00:19:14,945 We’ll tell the people and then we’ll sit back 394 00:19:14,945 --> 00:19:17,573 and... [sighs] 395 00:19:17,573 --> 00:19:19,950 ...I don’t know, watch the roof blow off the building. 396 00:19:21,786 --> 00:19:22,912 This is a good town. 397 00:19:24,955 --> 00:19:27,875 And it’s an enlightened community. 398 00:19:27,875 --> 00:19:29,502 These people here will handle it. 399 00:19:31,545 --> 00:19:32,713 They’ll handle it. 400 00:19:32,713 --> 00:19:34,173 Right. 401 00:19:41,806 --> 00:19:46,894 In determining which of our children shall be bused to Green Bay... 402 00:19:46,894 --> 00:19:49,105 we’ve decided to do it by lottery. 403 00:19:49,105 --> 00:19:52,400 ‐[crowd disagreeing] ‐[Jill] Now, wait, wait. 404 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,235 This is the only fair way 405 00:19:54,235 --> 00:19:57,238 unless a particular neighborhood would like to volunteer. 406 00:19:57,238 --> 00:19:58,906 ‐[people clamoring] ‐Jill... 407 00:19:58,906 --> 00:20:00,866 ...why do we have to go along with this at all? 408 00:20:00,866 --> 00:20:03,911 There’s a federal mandate, Ed. We have a court order. 409 00:20:03,911 --> 00:20:06,664 [all] Appeal it. 410 00:20:06,664 --> 00:20:09,125 We have appealed, but that doesn’t stay 411 00:20:09,125 --> 00:20:10,960 the district court’s ruling. 412 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,380 If we don’t abide, the town could be held in contempt. 413 00:20:14,380 --> 00:20:16,549 ‐And then what? ‐[Franklin] Excuse me? 414 00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:18,050 Uh, well, I’d like to know 415 00:20:18,050 --> 00:20:20,261 if a town enjoys any independence here. 416 00:20:20,261 --> 00:20:22,179 ‐It doesn’t. ‐[crowd groans] 417 00:20:22,179 --> 00:20:24,557 [Jill] All right, all right. Hold on, hold on now. 418 00:20:24,557 --> 00:20:28,769 One possibility is to immediately establish a private school. 419 00:20:28,769 --> 00:20:31,147 [crowd murmuring] 420 00:20:31,147 --> 00:20:35,025 For a nominal tuition, we can call it a private school 421 00:20:35,025 --> 00:20:37,695 and it is not subject to busing. 422 00:20:37,695 --> 00:20:39,864 Henry Novotny has offered the use of his church. 423 00:20:39,864 --> 00:20:43,033 The court will see through that and hold you in contempt. 424 00:20:43,033 --> 00:20:46,120 Listen, can I say something? I’d like to be heard. 425 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:49,540 [crowd applauding and cheering] 426 00:20:51,834 --> 00:20:52,668 [man] All right, Ed. 427 00:20:56,213 --> 00:20:57,214 ‐Thank you. ‐[feedback from mic] 428 00:21:00,885 --> 00:21:02,887 My name is Ed Lawson. 429 00:21:02,887 --> 00:21:05,598 I’m an employee of the United States Postal Service. 430 00:21:05,598 --> 00:21:08,309 I work for the government and I’m loyal to it. 431 00:21:08,309 --> 00:21:12,188 But it’s gotta be the most mismanaged institution in the world. 432 00:21:12,188 --> 00:21:14,940 I mean, they can’t pass bills on healthcare‐‐ 433 00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:17,067 You’re getting off the point here, Mr. Lawson. 434 00:21:17,067 --> 00:21:18,736 Look, it’s not off the point. 435 00:21:18,736 --> 00:21:20,404 The government’s trying to come in here 436 00:21:20,404 --> 00:21:21,947 and run our affairs when they can’t even 437 00:21:21,947 --> 00:21:22,948 handle their own. 438 00:21:22,948 --> 00:21:24,533 Why should we trust them? 439 00:21:24,533 --> 00:21:26,035 Why should we assume 440 00:21:26,035 --> 00:21:27,870 they know what’s best for us? 441 00:21:27,870 --> 00:21:30,122 ‐Let’s stick to the subject, Ed. ‐I’m on the subject. 442 00:21:30,122 --> 00:21:32,833 The point is, it’s been up to the small town 443 00:21:32,833 --> 00:21:34,835 to survive on its own and we’ve done that. 444 00:21:34,835 --> 00:21:37,963 We built up our schools, we’ve done a good civic thing. 445 00:21:37,963 --> 00:21:39,799 It’s a good town to raise our kids 446 00:21:39,799 --> 00:21:41,509 where they can grow up safe. 447 00:21:41,509 --> 00:21:44,094 Now, how dare these people back in Washington 448 00:21:44,094 --> 00:21:46,180 think that they can just charge in here 449 00:21:46,180 --> 00:21:48,891 and say, "Hey, we don’t care about your safety. 450 00:21:48,891 --> 00:21:50,851 "We’ve got our own plan. 451 00:21:50,851 --> 00:21:53,938 "We’re gonna bus in 400 Black kids from gang land 452 00:21:53,938 --> 00:21:57,191 and if that screws things up for your kids, tough." 453 00:21:57,191 --> 00:22:00,861 They’re saying to us we gotta send our kids to Green Bay 454 00:22:00,861 --> 00:22:03,113 where the education is who knows what, 455 00:22:03,113 --> 00:22:04,615 where they could get shot? 456 00:22:04,615 --> 00:22:08,035 Not my ten‐year‐old. Not my daughter. 457 00:22:08,035 --> 00:22:10,996 No, I say, let’s stand up to these federal sons of bitches. 458 00:22:10,996 --> 00:22:14,667 I say I’d rather secede than let them take our kids! 459 00:22:14,667 --> 00:22:16,669 [cheering] 460 00:22:22,716 --> 00:22:23,592 [Jill] Walter... 461 00:22:31,642 --> 00:22:33,060 Do you mind if I share this podium? 462 00:22:38,148 --> 00:22:41,110 Don’t make it a Black thing. This isn’t a Black thing. 463 00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:42,778 May I say what I choose to say? 464 00:22:45,364 --> 00:22:46,490 It’s a free country. 465 00:22:47,867 --> 00:22:48,951 Supposedly. 466 00:22:54,206 --> 00:22:55,207 Uh... 467 00:23:00,462 --> 00:23:01,672 I too am a parent. 468 00:23:06,135 --> 00:23:07,970 My son, Jason, is 16. 469 00:23:09,638 --> 00:23:12,975 My daughter, Sondra, is 15. 470 00:23:12,975 --> 00:23:15,311 Their mother and I brought them here two years ago. 471 00:23:17,062 --> 00:23:18,814 For the same reason, I guess. 472 00:23:18,814 --> 00:23:21,400 We thought this would be a good place to raise a family. 473 00:23:24,111 --> 00:23:26,196 It wasn’t easy for them. 474 00:23:26,196 --> 00:23:28,198 It meant saying goodbye 475 00:23:28,198 --> 00:23:30,659 to friends they had known all their lives. 476 00:23:30,659 --> 00:23:31,869 And... 477 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:35,331 they were scared... 478 00:23:35,331 --> 00:23:38,959 of moving in to a community that was this white. 479 00:23:40,711 --> 00:23:43,005 But I told them... 480 00:23:43,005 --> 00:23:46,050 this is a good community. 481 00:23:47,885 --> 00:23:50,179 This was a town that would welcome them. 482 00:23:50,179 --> 00:23:51,972 And you know what? It did. 483 00:23:53,140 --> 00:23:55,309 My kids are happy. 484 00:23:55,309 --> 00:23:57,978 And I’m happy as a parent 485 00:23:57,978 --> 00:24:01,732 because I got them into a community that I thought 486 00:24:01,732 --> 00:24:03,609 would help raise them to be good people. 487 00:24:05,069 --> 00:24:07,112 And I was proud of them. 488 00:24:08,864 --> 00:24:10,491 So truly proud. 489 00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:14,119 And to think that... 490 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:18,123 maybe because of my family and their sacrifices, 491 00:24:18,123 --> 00:24:20,209 and maybe the sacrifices 492 00:24:20,209 --> 00:24:22,670 of other Black families in Rome, Wisconsin, 493 00:24:22,670 --> 00:24:25,756 that this community comes closer to being 494 00:24:25,756 --> 00:24:28,008 what those American freedom slogans are all about. 495 00:24:31,136 --> 00:24:32,054 Well... 496 00:24:33,555 --> 00:24:34,556 imagine... 497 00:24:36,141 --> 00:24:37,559 how proud I am today... 498 00:24:41,021 --> 00:24:45,901 to sit and listen to this room rumble with panic 499 00:24:45,901 --> 00:24:51,031 over the idea of Black students infiltrating the schools. 500 00:24:51,031 --> 00:24:55,119 Imagine how honored I am to live in a community 501 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,831 that can fear people because of the color of their skin. 502 00:24:58,831 --> 00:25:00,958 Now you say it’s not a Black thing. 503 00:25:00,958 --> 00:25:02,626 It is a Black thing! 504 00:25:05,754 --> 00:25:09,091 You’re talking about opening up private schools 505 00:25:09,091 --> 00:25:14,138 so that the coloreds can’t be bused into ’em. 506 00:25:14,138 --> 00:25:18,267 I am standing here with so much civic pride, I am bursting. 507 00:25:23,689 --> 00:25:24,565 I am bursting. 508 00:25:26,984 --> 00:25:28,152 So... 509 00:25:29,611 --> 00:25:30,696 So now... 510 00:25:32,281 --> 00:25:34,950 I got to go home today... 511 00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:37,578 and tell my kids... 512 00:25:37,578 --> 00:25:42,082 that the reason Rome, Wisconsin, welcomed them... 513 00:25:42,082 --> 00:25:46,045 was ’cause they showed up in small numbers. 514 00:25:46,045 --> 00:25:48,005 Imagine... 515 00:25:48,005 --> 00:25:51,967 imagine how truly proud I feel today. 516 00:26:16,158 --> 00:26:17,117 [door closes] 517 00:26:21,747 --> 00:26:23,499 ‐[Maxine] Hey. ‐[John] Hey. 518 00:26:30,714 --> 00:26:32,091 What are you doing here? 519 00:26:33,717 --> 00:26:35,052 My penance. 520 00:26:35,052 --> 00:26:36,011 For what? 521 00:26:39,098 --> 00:26:40,140 I don’t know, uh... 522 00:26:41,683 --> 00:26:43,268 what’s the expression? 523 00:26:43,268 --> 00:26:45,687 "All it takes for evil to succeed... 524 00:26:45,687 --> 00:26:48,398 is for good Black men to do nothing." 525 00:26:50,901 --> 00:26:53,612 So that’s why you’re in church? Guilt? 526 00:26:56,115 --> 00:26:59,118 I do not support busing. 527 00:26:59,118 --> 00:27:01,370 And a District Attorney should stay out of political debate. 528 00:27:04,331 --> 00:27:07,042 But I should have been in that room, 529 00:27:07,042 --> 00:27:09,044 if for no other reason than just to... 530 00:27:09,044 --> 00:27:10,587 just to look a few of those people in the eye... 531 00:27:16,009 --> 00:27:17,511 What are you doing here? 532 00:27:19,138 --> 00:27:21,181 Actually, I come here a lot in the afternoons 533 00:27:21,181 --> 00:27:22,099 after the place empties out. 534 00:27:23,851 --> 00:27:27,020 I just like to sit, think. 535 00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:27,855 Yeah. 536 00:27:32,651 --> 00:27:33,944 Thank you. 537 00:27:36,029 --> 00:27:37,739 For what? 538 00:27:37,739 --> 00:27:40,576 For not tearing into me about those pictures. 539 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:45,831 I know they just made your job that much tougher. 540 00:27:49,167 --> 00:27:51,336 One of these days, I’m gonna stop humiliating myself 541 00:27:51,336 --> 00:27:53,088 and everyone around me. 542 00:27:53,088 --> 00:27:55,424 [chuckles] Yeah, well, you let me know. 543 00:28:00,387 --> 00:28:03,015 It would be nice... 544 00:28:03,015 --> 00:28:06,310 if we could wave a wand and wipe out all racial tension. 545 00:28:08,437 --> 00:28:11,273 I, too, would be very proud to think that I live in a community 546 00:28:11,273 --> 00:28:14,109 that, that would welcome these inner city youths 547 00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:17,112 if they felt honored and privileged to come here. 548 00:28:17,112 --> 00:28:19,323 But that isn’t the case, is it? 549 00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:22,451 So what do we do? 550 00:28:22,451 --> 00:28:25,162 Ride it out? 551 00:28:25,162 --> 00:28:28,040 Dig in and just try to, uh, survive all the turmoil, 552 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,001 because we know that after all of the hatred, 553 00:28:31,001 --> 00:28:34,004 maybe violence, Rome would be a better place? 554 00:28:36,340 --> 00:28:37,299 [clicks tongue] Well... 555 00:28:39,217 --> 00:28:40,594 we could do that. 556 00:28:41,887 --> 00:28:42,930 But not me. 557 00:28:43,972 --> 00:28:47,100 I’m all for equality. 558 00:28:47,100 --> 00:28:48,685 But I do not want to see it achieved 559 00:28:48,685 --> 00:28:51,480 at the expense of my children. 560 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,107 None of us wants to send our kids to Green Bay 561 00:28:54,107 --> 00:28:56,068 to got to a school in a gang area. 562 00:28:58,278 --> 00:29:02,491 None of us, let’s be honest, wants gang kids 563 00:29:02,491 --> 00:29:04,076 put into our schools here. 564 00:29:05,577 --> 00:29:07,329 There could be bloodshed. 565 00:29:07,329 --> 00:29:09,247 At a minimum, it will make our schools less safe. 566 00:29:10,707 --> 00:29:13,001 I’m a pretty liberal person. 567 00:29:13,001 --> 00:29:17,297 But I got to say, ashamed as I may be... 568 00:29:17,297 --> 00:29:21,093 if those buses come in, I’ll be moving my family out. 569 00:29:21,093 --> 00:29:22,886 ‐[crowd murmuring] ‐[Carter] Suppose they don’t come, Mr. Kramer? 570 00:29:22,886 --> 00:29:24,638 Suppose this little mob demonstration 571 00:29:24,638 --> 00:29:26,682 keeps those buses out, what’s the victory? 572 00:29:26,682 --> 00:29:28,475 Well, maybe our kids could grow up then. 573 00:29:28,475 --> 00:29:30,018 Grow up as what? 574 00:29:30,018 --> 00:29:31,687 Maybe some of them will move out. 575 00:29:31,687 --> 00:29:33,981 Where will they tell people they came from? 576 00:29:33,981 --> 00:29:35,732 A place where they didn’t just put up fences around the yards, 577 00:29:35,732 --> 00:29:37,943 but a place where they sealed off the whole town? 578 00:29:37,943 --> 00:29:40,570 For what? To keep out the unwanted. 579 00:29:40,570 --> 00:29:43,115 Wow, that’s certainly a community worth protecting, isn’t it? 580 00:29:43,115 --> 00:29:44,825 You don’t have kids, Carter. 581 00:29:44,825 --> 00:29:47,369 You’re not helping ’em by passing on prejudice. 582 00:29:47,369 --> 00:29:49,705 ‐It isn’t that simple! ‐Are you trying to keep your morgue busy? 583 00:29:49,705 --> 00:29:52,165 You’re worried about Black students. Innocent people. 584 00:29:52,165 --> 00:29:54,292 The Supreme Court might let Brian Latham back on the street, 585 00:29:54,292 --> 00:29:56,837 and he’s a killer‐‐ nobody’s talking about that. 586 00:29:56,837 --> 00:29:58,630 We’re all talking about it. That’s just another reason 587 00:29:58,630 --> 00:30:00,757 why we can’t trust the government. 588 00:30:00,757 --> 00:30:04,136 ‐I’m at the podium now. ‐Oh, go play with a corpse. 589 00:30:04,136 --> 00:30:06,555 ‐[crowd murmuring] ‐That’s the very ignorance we’re dealing with here. 590 00:30:06,555 --> 00:30:08,098 You calling me ignorant, Carter? 591 00:30:08,098 --> 00:30:09,391 Yes, as a matter of fact, I am! 592 00:30:09,391 --> 00:30:11,560 [clamoring] 593 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,103 Ed! 594 00:30:13,103 --> 00:30:15,355 [clamoring] 595 00:30:15,355 --> 00:30:16,690 Knock it off! 596 00:30:16,690 --> 00:30:18,233 [deputy] All right. Come on. 597 00:30:18,233 --> 00:30:19,192 [Jimmy] Knock it off. 598 00:30:20,152 --> 00:30:21,194 Damn it! 599 00:30:23,196 --> 00:30:25,240 Superior Court, from Hogan County, 600 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,950 says it’ll only take a minute. 601 00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:27,784 Send him in. 602 00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:39,171 My name is Henry Bone. 603 00:30:39,171 --> 00:30:41,840 Oh, heh, I know who you are. 604 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,383 Then you know why I’m here. 605 00:30:45,969 --> 00:30:47,054 You think you’re leaving a legacy? 606 00:30:48,847 --> 00:30:50,265 Maybe they’ll all toast you 607 00:30:50,265 --> 00:30:51,308 on Martin Luther King Day. 608 00:30:53,060 --> 00:30:55,270 Big deal. 609 00:30:55,270 --> 00:30:57,355 Forced busing is dangerous. 610 00:30:57,355 --> 00:31:00,233 If it’s done arbitrarily, it’s deadly. 611 00:31:00,233 --> 00:31:04,237 And you think I just arbitrarily picked Rome? 612 00:31:04,237 --> 00:31:07,657 A town that let an HIV dentist practice medicine? 613 00:31:07,657 --> 00:31:10,452 The town that let a priest with a shoe fetish 614 00:31:10,452 --> 00:31:12,204 keep his parish? Oh, no. 615 00:31:12,204 --> 00:31:16,041 I know Rome, Wisconsin very well. 616 00:31:16,041 --> 00:31:17,375 And I’d also like to think I know 617 00:31:17,375 --> 00:31:20,712 a little about Judge Henry Bone. 618 00:31:20,712 --> 00:31:23,298 You’re the public conscience of that little village. 619 00:31:23,298 --> 00:31:27,135 I bet they all came running to you over this busing crisis 620 00:31:27,135 --> 00:31:29,721 wanting you to enjoin my order. 621 00:31:29,721 --> 00:31:32,599 You probably told them to go to hell, right? 622 00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:36,353 Well, I’m hoping that the people of Rome 623 00:31:36,353 --> 00:31:39,731 will once again heed their Judge Henry Bone. 624 00:31:39,731 --> 00:31:43,360 This issue is bigger than me... and you. 625 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,531 It’s been 40 years since Brown v. Board of Education. 626 00:31:47,531 --> 00:31:49,199 Do you know how much has happened since then? 627 00:31:49,199 --> 00:31:51,451 ‐Not enough. ‐[Judge Nance] Right. 628 00:31:51,451 --> 00:31:53,787 And I figure if we just reach out into the heartland 629 00:31:53,787 --> 00:31:57,874 and what better place to get a kick‐start than in Rome. 630 00:31:57,874 --> 00:32:02,629 [chuckles] Oh, it’s a weird town. But I like it. 631 00:32:02,629 --> 00:32:06,216 Part of the town’s bliss comes from getting to think 632 00:32:06,216 --> 00:32:08,718 it’s free from bigotry. 633 00:32:08,718 --> 00:32:11,304 Your ruling could shatter that illusion. 634 00:32:11,304 --> 00:32:15,183 Sometimes the best projects come from breakage. 635 00:32:23,316 --> 00:32:25,986 You want to leave a legacy, Your Honor? 636 00:32:25,986 --> 00:32:29,114 Just remember, whatever happens, 637 00:32:29,114 --> 00:32:30,949 it will be your legacy. 638 00:32:40,584 --> 00:32:42,794 So, what’s your take on all this? 639 00:32:44,713 --> 00:32:46,631 ‐I don’t know. ‐Well, how would you feel 640 00:32:46,631 --> 00:32:49,759 if 400 kids suddenly showed up at your school? 641 00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:52,762 I’d... I’d probably be scared. 642 00:32:55,390 --> 00:32:56,725 Because they’re Black? 643 00:32:56,725 --> 00:32:58,351 No, not because they’re Black. 644 00:32:59,477 --> 00:33:01,771 But because... 645 00:33:01,771 --> 00:33:03,899 I’d be afraid they’d hate me because I was white. 646 00:33:06,651 --> 00:33:08,820 That’s racist to assume they’d be racist. 647 00:33:10,572 --> 00:33:11,448 I know. 648 00:33:20,624 --> 00:33:23,001 [lively chattering] 649 00:33:26,379 --> 00:33:28,173 Sorry. Excuse me, excuse me. 650 00:33:37,515 --> 00:33:39,059 [Jill] All right, everybody, settle down, please! 651 00:33:40,936 --> 00:33:43,188 Please be quiet. We’d all like to be heard here. 652 00:33:45,106 --> 00:33:46,566 [Jill sighs] 653 00:33:47,484 --> 00:33:49,986 All right, um... 654 00:33:49,986 --> 00:33:52,405 my co‐mayor, Jason Steinberg, and I 655 00:33:52,405 --> 00:33:55,825 have met together with Counsel Franklin Dell. 656 00:33:55,825 --> 00:33:58,036 We’ve considered our options and we’ve reached a decision. 657 00:34:02,791 --> 00:34:05,585 We’re all law‐abiding people. 658 00:34:05,585 --> 00:34:08,505 But today, our conscience as law‐abiding citizens 659 00:34:08,505 --> 00:34:12,259 is in direct conflict with our role as parents. 660 00:34:12,259 --> 00:34:15,011 That’s the base of our protest. 661 00:34:15,011 --> 00:34:17,847 It’s the concern for the safety of our children. 662 00:34:19,432 --> 00:34:21,810 But as Carter Pike says... 663 00:34:21,810 --> 00:34:25,188 are we protecting them by passing on prejudice? 664 00:34:25,188 --> 00:34:29,067 Because it is prejudice, let’s be honest. 665 00:34:29,067 --> 00:34:32,279 If the children to be bused weren’t Black... 666 00:34:32,279 --> 00:34:33,571 and from the inner city... 667 00:34:35,573 --> 00:34:37,826 we would all be in church right now singing "Jerusalem." 668 00:34:40,245 --> 00:34:41,579 We’re prejudiced. 669 00:34:43,540 --> 00:34:45,125 Whatever it is we think we’re protecting, 670 00:34:45,125 --> 00:34:46,293 it certainly isn’t our innocence... 671 00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:49,254 or our idealism. 672 00:34:51,506 --> 00:34:53,550 Unfortunately, parents today 673 00:34:53,550 --> 00:34:55,385 can’t get as wrapped up in idealism as they used to. 674 00:34:57,762 --> 00:34:59,639 The best thing sometimes 675 00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:02,475 is just to give our kids a fighting chance 676 00:35:02,475 --> 00:35:05,812 and hope to God that they survive. 677 00:35:05,812 --> 00:35:07,689 And because it’s about survival most... 678 00:35:09,941 --> 00:35:13,361 our decision is to defy the federal court order. 679 00:35:13,361 --> 00:35:14,529 ‐[man] All right. ‐[cheering] 680 00:35:17,574 --> 00:35:18,700 [Jill] Quiet, please. 681 00:35:18,700 --> 00:35:20,785 [cheering continues] 682 00:35:20,785 --> 00:35:22,495 [Jill] Quiet, everybody! Please listen. 683 00:35:24,122 --> 00:35:27,208 All right. Wait. Please listen. 684 00:35:27,208 --> 00:35:28,960 We have a very difficult path. 685 00:35:30,503 --> 00:35:32,005 See, the question becomes 686 00:35:32,005 --> 00:35:33,715 what happens when a town finally stands up 687 00:35:33,715 --> 00:35:35,342 to the federal government 688 00:35:35,342 --> 00:35:37,260 and says, "No, we’re not gonna take it anymore"? 689 00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:39,179 ‐[whistling, cheering] ‐[Jill] Please, please. 690 00:35:39,179 --> 00:35:40,180 Stop it, stop it, please. 691 00:35:42,849 --> 00:35:44,768 Cheering doesn’t help, 692 00:35:44,768 --> 00:35:47,562 especially when our common ground is latent bigotry. 693 00:35:47,562 --> 00:35:50,523 Please, let’s not celebrate that. 694 00:35:50,523 --> 00:35:52,150 Let’s... 695 00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:54,611 Let’s concentrate on what we have to do. 696 00:35:58,657 --> 00:35:59,908 Now, our plan is simple. 697 00:36:02,202 --> 00:36:05,747 We will not let our children go to Green Bay. 698 00:36:05,747 --> 00:36:07,832 And we will not welcome into our schools 699 00:36:07,832 --> 00:36:09,042 the children from Green Bay. 700 00:36:11,419 --> 00:36:13,421 I apologize to the students from Green Bay 701 00:36:13,421 --> 00:36:14,255 and to their families. 702 00:36:15,799 --> 00:36:17,092 But today, Rome... 703 00:36:18,718 --> 00:36:19,803 has to think about Rome. 704 00:36:21,638 --> 00:36:22,972 Um... 705 00:36:22,972 --> 00:36:24,974 Mr. Dell will now explain to you 706 00:36:24,974 --> 00:36:27,727 the legal consequences of our actions. 707 00:36:27,727 --> 00:36:28,978 [Mr. Dell clears throat] 708 00:36:30,897 --> 00:36:34,150 The, uh, mayor and the school board... 709 00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:36,152 will likely be held in contempt of federal court. 710 00:36:37,862 --> 00:36:39,781 Now, there should be no... 711 00:36:39,781 --> 00:36:42,659 sanctions taken against any of you, no direct sanctions, 712 00:36:42,659 --> 00:36:44,828 but federal services could be cut off. 713 00:36:44,828 --> 00:36:48,081 [crowd murmuring] 714 00:36:48,081 --> 00:36:49,958 [Dell] All right, the main thing is... 715 00:36:49,958 --> 00:36:52,669 our civil disobedience... 716 00:36:52,669 --> 00:36:54,796 will likely effect an immediate appellate review 717 00:36:54,796 --> 00:36:56,423 of the district court order. 718 00:36:56,423 --> 00:36:58,842 Now, there is a chance... 719 00:36:58,842 --> 00:37:02,470 that we can get the busing decree overturned at that point. 720 00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:04,764 At the very least... 721 00:37:04,764 --> 00:37:06,808 we should be able to prevent our kids from being bused out. 722 00:37:08,935 --> 00:37:11,312 Now, should we lose on the incoming issue, 723 00:37:11,312 --> 00:37:15,900 we will, at least, buy some time... 724 00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:19,446 to accomplish the integration plan in an orderly manner. 725 00:37:22,365 --> 00:37:23,575 Dr. Brock. 726 00:37:24,868 --> 00:37:26,536 All right... 727 00:37:26,536 --> 00:37:28,371 Now, before we put the plan through, 728 00:37:28,371 --> 00:37:29,497 we’re going to hold it open to a voice vote. 729 00:37:30,957 --> 00:37:32,041 But before we do that... 730 00:37:34,252 --> 00:37:35,712 I just want you all to think about something. 731 00:37:38,339 --> 00:37:40,717 I’ve lived in this town for 13 years. 732 00:37:40,717 --> 00:37:42,969 I’ve seen one of my sons shot, 733 00:37:42,969 --> 00:37:45,805 I’ve had a daughter kidnapped. 734 00:37:45,805 --> 00:37:47,974 Rome has been a town of considerable hardship. 735 00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:57,358 But this day, by far... 736 00:37:58,818 --> 00:37:59,694 is the saddest. 737 00:38:02,197 --> 00:38:04,532 If we say to those Black children of Green Bay 738 00:38:04,532 --> 00:38:07,410 "No, you cannot come to Rome, Wisconsin," 739 00:38:07,410 --> 00:38:10,205 because of fear or... or whatever... 740 00:38:15,126 --> 00:38:16,127 it’s the saddest day ever. 741 00:38:20,256 --> 00:38:23,760 We put a stain on Rome, Wisconsin... 742 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:24,719 for all time. 743 00:38:29,224 --> 00:38:30,600 Yes, we have to protect our children... 744 00:38:32,727 --> 00:38:33,603 but at what cost? 745 00:38:39,442 --> 00:38:42,362 [sighs] All right, I’m... 746 00:38:42,362 --> 00:38:44,155 I’m going to put this open to voice vote now. 747 00:38:46,908 --> 00:38:50,078 [sighs] If you want us to defy the busing order, 748 00:38:50,078 --> 00:38:51,830 please indicate now with your applause. 749 00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:59,295 [applause starts] 750 00:39:13,017 --> 00:39:16,271 [applause swelling] 751 00:39:29,868 --> 00:39:32,161 [knocks on door] 752 00:39:32,161 --> 00:39:34,330 Well, isn’t this a happy time? 753 00:39:36,457 --> 00:39:39,419 I don’t work on Mondays, I fish. 754 00:39:39,419 --> 00:39:41,671 What are you fishing for here? 755 00:39:41,671 --> 00:39:45,258 Seems the people here didn’t heed Henry Bone after all. 756 00:39:45,258 --> 00:39:50,847 They also didn’t heed me. Now, that’s a big mistake. 757 00:39:50,847 --> 00:39:54,350 Not eight o’clock in the morning. You get started early, don’t you? 758 00:39:54,350 --> 00:39:55,727 Well, the kids from Green Bay 759 00:39:55,727 --> 00:39:57,896 won’t be arriving till about nine. 760 00:39:57,896 --> 00:39:59,188 What? 761 00:39:59,188 --> 00:40:01,608 Those kids are coming, 762 00:40:01,608 --> 00:40:03,985 whether the good people of Rome, Wisconsin, 763 00:40:03,985 --> 00:40:05,528 welcome them or not. 764 00:40:05,528 --> 00:40:07,614 Are you nuts? 765 00:40:07,614 --> 00:40:10,283 I just told your mayor, now I’m telling you. 766 00:40:10,283 --> 00:40:11,868 I’ve got nothing to do with it. 767 00:40:11,868 --> 00:40:15,705 Then find something to do. Talk to them. 768 00:40:15,705 --> 00:40:18,458 Make them understand they pissed off the wrong judge. 769 00:40:18,458 --> 00:40:21,836 Hey, if you think I’m about to do your bidding, 770 00:40:21,836 --> 00:40:24,172 you just picked the wrong judge. 771 00:40:24,172 --> 00:40:27,175 You may scare a lot of people. I’m not one of them. 772 00:40:27,175 --> 00:40:30,219 This is your town, your county. 773 00:40:30,219 --> 00:40:33,765 What happens inside these borders is your legacy. 774 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,226 Do you really know what you’re doing? 775 00:40:38,603 --> 00:40:40,647 Yeah, Judge... 776 00:40:40,647 --> 00:40:41,648 I do. 777 00:40:49,864 --> 00:40:51,616 Well, what can we do? 778 00:40:51,616 --> 00:40:54,118 Short of any military response, nothing now, 779 00:40:54,118 --> 00:40:55,662 but I’ll tell you this. 780 00:40:55,662 --> 00:40:57,747 Letting those kids go into the schools 781 00:40:57,747 --> 00:40:59,666 with the climate in this town right now, 782 00:40:59,666 --> 00:41:01,042 that’s dangerous. 783 00:41:01,042 --> 00:41:03,336 What are you suggesting? 784 00:41:03,336 --> 00:41:05,171 I’m suggesting you put a cop in every classroom, 785 00:41:05,171 --> 00:41:06,881 in the hallways, too. 786 00:41:06,881 --> 00:41:08,132 And you might consider restraining the parents 787 00:41:08,132 --> 00:41:09,676 from going to the schools. 788 00:41:09,676 --> 00:41:11,219 They’ll only exacerbate the tension. 789 00:41:11,219 --> 00:41:13,304 I can’t believe this is happening. 790 00:41:13,304 --> 00:41:15,890 Jimmy, assemble your men. Go down to the school. 791 00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:17,725 Keep those students from getting off the buses. 792 00:41:17,725 --> 00:41:19,811 ‐What? ‐Is there any chance 793 00:41:19,811 --> 00:41:22,188 there won’t be violence if we let those kids in? 794 00:41:22,188 --> 00:41:24,440 After we declared them to be unwelcome, 795 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,776 is there any chance they won’t feel the hostility? 796 00:41:26,776 --> 00:41:29,362 She’s right. What choice do we have? 797 00:41:29,362 --> 00:41:32,865 Just let things erupt? I mean, what choice do we have? 798 00:41:32,865 --> 00:41:35,910 Go, Jimmy. Police blockade. You’ve got 20 minutes. 799 00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:37,870 Jill, there’s a big difference between‐‐ 800 00:41:37,870 --> 00:41:39,664 I’m not your wife talking, I’m the mayor. 801 00:41:39,664 --> 00:41:41,082 Do it. 802 00:41:43,251 --> 00:41:44,711 [sirens wailing] 803 00:41:55,555 --> 00:41:58,516 [indistinct conversations] 804 00:41:58,516 --> 00:42:03,604 All right, Kenny, get these people inside the school. 805 00:42:03,604 --> 00:42:07,066 Students will remain inside the building until further notice. 806 00:42:07,066 --> 00:42:08,985 Nobody comes out until then. 807 00:42:08,985 --> 00:42:10,945 [deputy] Get those kids back in. 808 00:42:10,945 --> 00:42:13,322 All right, disperse and go home folks, please. 809 00:42:13,322 --> 00:42:14,407 Get behind that barrier. 810 00:42:14,407 --> 00:42:17,076 [female officer] Get back. 811 00:42:17,076 --> 00:42:19,245 [officer on radio] This is Unit seven. Affirmative. In position. 812 00:42:19,245 --> 00:42:21,330 [Jimmy] News media, if you want to help... 813 00:42:21,330 --> 00:42:23,374 ‐Hey, this is unbelievable. ‐I know. 814 00:42:25,251 --> 00:42:26,919 [exhaling sharply] 815 00:42:26,919 --> 00:42:29,047 I apologize. 816 00:42:29,047 --> 00:42:31,007 My first priority has to be to prevent violence. 817 00:42:31,007 --> 00:42:32,884 I apologize. 818 00:42:32,884 --> 00:42:34,052 [man] Get those spectators behind the barricades. 819 00:42:34,052 --> 00:42:35,136 That’s what they’re for. 820 00:42:35,136 --> 00:42:37,597 [Kenny] Jimmy! Here we go. 821 00:42:47,356 --> 00:42:50,443 [man] All right, people, just help us here. 822 00:42:50,443 --> 00:42:51,778 [Jimmy] All right, positions everybody! 823 00:42:55,156 --> 00:42:56,657 [indistinct chatter] 824 00:43:32,276 --> 00:43:34,612 [soldier 1] One, two, three, fall out! 825 00:43:34,612 --> 00:43:39,033 [soldier 1 speaking indistinctly] 826 00:43:39,033 --> 00:43:41,410 [soldier 1] Take the walkway! 827 00:43:41,410 --> 00:43:43,496 [soldier 2] Move it, move it, move it. Move, move, move. 828 00:43:47,792 --> 00:43:49,669 [Lt. Col. Joseph Brown] Sheriff Brock? 829 00:43:49,669 --> 00:43:52,463 Lieutenant Colonel Joseph Brown with the National Guard. 830 00:43:52,463 --> 00:43:54,257 We’re just here to get some kids into school, sir. 831 00:43:54,257 --> 00:43:55,883 Would you instruct your men to let ’em through? 832 00:43:55,883 --> 00:43:59,220 Well, my orders are to keep the kids on the bus. 833 00:43:59,220 --> 00:44:01,430 My orders are that these kids will be in that school, sir. 834 00:44:04,934 --> 00:44:07,145 [sighs] You want a confrontation, Colonel? 835 00:44:07,145 --> 00:44:09,605 Do you, Sheriff? 836 00:44:09,605 --> 00:44:11,899 I have orders not to back down from one. 837 00:44:11,899 --> 00:44:14,193 Now, these kids are going to get into the school. 838 00:44:18,072 --> 00:44:20,408 [indistinct radio chatter] 839 00:44:26,581 --> 00:44:30,501 All right, deputies, listen up. Sheriff Brock here. 840 00:44:30,501 --> 00:44:32,253 Abandon the last order. 841 00:44:32,253 --> 00:44:35,298 That’s, uh, right. Repeat. Abandon. 842 00:44:35,298 --> 00:44:36,507 That is an order. 843 00:44:45,141 --> 00:44:46,017 Thank you, sir. 844 00:44:47,810 --> 00:44:49,103 Okay, let’s not be late. 845 00:44:53,232 --> 00:44:54,358 Open it up. 846 00:44:57,278 --> 00:44:58,112 Come on, son. 847 00:45:03,784 --> 00:45:05,453 [♪♪♪] 848 00:45:09,832 --> 00:45:11,542 [camera shutters clicking] 849 00:46:02,009 --> 00:46:03,636 [♪♪♪] 61051

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