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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:03,378 [Jimmy] Previously on Picket Fences... 2 00:00:03,378 --> 00:00:04,505 I’ve retrieved what appears to be 3 00:00:04,505 --> 00:00:06,423 a right middle or ring finger, 4 00:00:06,423 --> 00:00:08,842 severed at the second joint. 5 00:00:08,842 --> 00:00:11,428 Maybe we should turn you loose and let the mob outside deal with you. 6 00:00:11,428 --> 00:00:12,513 You can’t do this. 7 00:00:12,513 --> 00:00:13,805 We can do whatever we want, 8 00:00:13,805 --> 00:00:15,265 we’re the cops. 9 00:00:15,265 --> 00:00:16,934 [man 1] All right, we got it. 10 00:00:16,934 --> 00:00:18,936 ‐[police radio chatter] ‐[man 2] Okay, come on. 11 00:00:23,023 --> 00:00:24,900 [Henry] The discovery of the body 12 00:00:24,900 --> 00:00:28,237 would be fruits of a poisonous tree. 13 00:00:28,237 --> 00:00:31,657 I may have no choice but to dismiss the charges. 14 00:00:31,657 --> 00:00:33,575 When I come back, the three of you can tell me 15 00:00:33,575 --> 00:00:34,743 the brilliant plan you’ve devised 16 00:00:34,743 --> 00:00:36,078 to keep that bastard in jail. 17 00:00:36,078 --> 00:00:37,621 ‐Mister... ‐Go figure it out! 18 00:00:37,621 --> 00:00:41,416 Mr. Latham, you are going to trial. 19 00:00:41,416 --> 00:00:44,086 If the Supreme Court has a problem with that, 20 00:00:44,086 --> 00:00:45,170 they can come and get me. 21 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,344 We’ve got two choices, go right to the appellate court, 22 00:00:52,344 --> 00:00:54,846 try to overturn Judge Bone, 23 00:00:54,846 --> 00:00:57,891 get your statement and the evidence suppressed. 24 00:00:57,891 --> 00:01:00,769 Or the this case right now, which I think we should do. 25 00:01:00,769 --> 00:01:03,438 ‐Why? ‐Because our chances of a conviction 26 00:01:03,438 --> 00:01:05,857 are better the sooner we go. 27 00:01:05,857 --> 00:01:07,568 We’ve got all our evidence except for the weapon 28 00:01:07,568 --> 00:01:08,860 and if we haven’t found that by now... 29 00:01:08,860 --> 00:01:11,196 What about DNA? 30 00:01:11,196 --> 00:01:13,365 Well, all the blood we found was hers. 31 00:01:13,365 --> 00:01:14,950 Hair and fiber go to her, him, 32 00:01:14,950 --> 00:01:17,035 and in the car, her family. 33 00:01:17,035 --> 00:01:20,122 ‐It’s not airtight. ‐Exactly, it’s circumstantial. 34 00:01:20,122 --> 00:01:22,457 That’s why I’d like to try it while it’s still fresh in the jury’s heads. 35 00:01:22,457 --> 00:01:23,959 Time can only help the defense. 36 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,211 Then why does Wambaugh want to go now? 37 00:01:26,211 --> 00:01:30,007 Because I can take advantage of the short investigation. 38 00:01:30,007 --> 00:01:33,594 I can argue that they didn’t take the time to look for anybody else. 39 00:01:33,594 --> 00:01:35,929 It’ll play into reasonable doubt. 40 00:01:35,929 --> 00:01:38,807 Plus, this trial is a free shot for us. 41 00:01:38,807 --> 00:01:40,684 See, if they lose, 42 00:01:40,684 --> 00:01:43,520 they can still get it overturned on constitutional grounds. 43 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,440 If they win, the state can’t appeal 44 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,317 an acquittal, the man walks. 45 00:01:48,317 --> 00:01:50,861 It’s a free buy for him, Wambaugh knows what he’s doing. 46 00:01:50,861 --> 00:01:52,904 Do we? 47 00:01:52,904 --> 00:01:54,448 Appellate courts are less likely 48 00:01:54,448 --> 00:01:57,284 to overturn a trial than they are a hearing. 49 00:01:57,284 --> 00:01:58,952 If we get a conviction now, 50 00:01:58,952 --> 00:02:01,580 we make his chances on appeal much tougher. 51 00:02:01,580 --> 00:02:02,831 I say we go. 52 00:02:02,831 --> 00:02:04,082 I say we go. 53 00:02:05,584 --> 00:02:07,878 ‐Do I have a chance? ‐Yes. 54 00:02:07,878 --> 00:02:12,007 No, our case is circumstantial, but it’s very strong. 55 00:02:12,007 --> 00:02:14,051 [John] He can’t win. 56 00:02:14,051 --> 00:02:15,761 I cannot lose this guy. 57 00:02:15,761 --> 00:02:17,638 We won’t. 58 00:02:17,638 --> 00:02:19,014 Okay. 59 00:02:19,014 --> 00:02:21,933 ‐Okay. ‐Okay. 60 00:02:21,933 --> 00:02:23,352 You like murder trials, Kimberly? 61 00:02:25,771 --> 00:02:27,189 This is going to be a good one. 62 00:02:28,899 --> 00:02:30,776 [♪♪♪] 63 00:03:32,170 --> 00:03:34,423 [indistinct chatter] 64 00:03:34,423 --> 00:03:40,011 Rome’s sheriff department is a joke. It frustrates me. 65 00:03:40,011 --> 00:03:42,931 If they knew how to collect evidence, they’d have caught the real killer. 66 00:03:42,931 --> 00:03:45,725 Now, Mr. Wambaugh likes to try these cases in the media 67 00:03:45,725 --> 00:03:47,894 where he’s free to make up the facts. 68 00:03:47,894 --> 00:03:50,689 ‐He says this because I’m Jewish. ‐[laughter] 69 00:03:50,689 --> 00:03:52,232 He comes in here today with nothing 70 00:03:52,232 --> 00:03:54,151 but public pressure to get a conviction. 71 00:03:54,151 --> 00:03:55,235 Yeah, well, you’ll see what we’ve got. 72 00:03:55,235 --> 00:03:56,820 I’m getting goosebumps. 73 00:03:56,820 --> 00:03:58,405 [reporters clamoring] 74 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,412 I’d appreciate it if you didn’t attack my father in the press. 75 00:04:05,412 --> 00:04:08,206 Kimberly, the media has taken away 76 00:04:08,206 --> 00:04:10,125 the presumption of innocence. 77 00:04:10,125 --> 00:04:12,043 I have to use the spotlight to get it back. 78 00:04:12,043 --> 00:04:13,295 [reporters clamoring] 79 00:04:16,298 --> 00:04:17,340 I’ll be standing right outside the door. 80 00:04:19,468 --> 00:04:21,428 ‐You ready? ‐I think so. 81 00:04:21,428 --> 00:04:24,723 Remember, they’ll probably introduce the pictures early. 82 00:04:24,723 --> 00:04:26,600 Look horrified to see them. 83 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,101 The jury has to see 84 00:04:28,101 --> 00:04:31,021 that they shock you like anybody else. 85 00:04:31,021 --> 00:04:32,731 Now, it’s not imperative that you look, 86 00:04:32,731 --> 00:04:34,691 but I want you in the room. 87 00:04:34,691 --> 00:04:37,861 I want the jury to be reminded of your tragedy. 88 00:04:37,861 --> 00:04:40,322 Do we have to be here for the whole trial? 89 00:04:40,322 --> 00:04:41,406 [John] I’d prefer it. 90 00:04:41,406 --> 00:04:44,409 Emotion cuts in our favor. 91 00:04:44,409 --> 00:04:46,828 I’ve got your parents, a sister, your grandmother 92 00:04:46,828 --> 00:04:49,080 and an uncle you’ve never met. 93 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,333 My family is coming? 94 00:04:51,333 --> 00:04:52,793 And for the purpose of this trial, you’re close knit. 95 00:04:54,461 --> 00:04:56,880 The jury cannot see it otherwise. 96 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,882 Well, how’d you get ’em to show up? 97 00:04:58,882 --> 00:04:59,925 You’re their only son. 98 00:05:01,176 --> 00:05:02,969 Will they testify? 99 00:05:02,969 --> 00:05:04,763 Not a chance. 100 00:05:04,763 --> 00:05:07,015 If he puts up any character witness, 101 00:05:07,015 --> 00:05:08,892 then we’re free to impeach with our witnesses 102 00:05:08,892 --> 00:05:10,393 and I’ve got about 20. 103 00:05:10,393 --> 00:05:12,229 I even have a teenage girl 104 00:05:12,229 --> 00:05:14,314 that was threatened by him at knife point two years ago. 105 00:05:14,314 --> 00:05:16,483 ‐What? ‐[John] But I can’t use it. 106 00:05:16,483 --> 00:05:19,611 The law says that we can’t talk about previous bad acts 107 00:05:19,611 --> 00:05:20,779 to convince the jury he did this one. 108 00:05:22,489 --> 00:05:24,324 Wait a second, now this guy attacked 109 00:05:24,324 --> 00:05:25,826 another girl with a knife 110 00:05:25,826 --> 00:05:27,452 and we can’t tell the jury about it? 111 00:05:27,452 --> 00:05:29,412 That’s right. But if they try to argue 112 00:05:29,412 --> 00:05:31,248 that he’s a good guy, we can roll out 113 00:05:31,248 --> 00:05:33,375 our impeaching witnesses, this girl included. 114 00:05:33,375 --> 00:05:35,877 See, Wambaugh knows that. 115 00:05:35,877 --> 00:05:37,295 He won’t put this guy’s parents up 116 00:05:37,295 --> 00:05:39,798 or anybody to even hint about his character. 117 00:05:39,798 --> 00:05:41,550 Then what’s our case? 118 00:05:41,550 --> 00:05:44,594 The state has the burden to make the case. 119 00:05:44,594 --> 00:05:46,763 I just have to shoot holes in it, 120 00:05:46,763 --> 00:05:47,597 and I will. 121 00:05:49,474 --> 00:05:53,103 The worst thing is those pictures. 122 00:05:53,103 --> 00:05:55,564 [John] They’re some of the most graphic images I’ve ever seen. 123 00:05:58,066 --> 00:06:00,402 I apologize for having to show them to you. 124 00:06:00,402 --> 00:06:02,863 They’ll be difficult to look at, but you must 125 00:06:02,863 --> 00:06:04,531 look at them. 126 00:06:04,531 --> 00:06:06,283 Now, the testimonial evidence will show 127 00:06:06,283 --> 00:06:08,910 that Susan Engrams was stabbed 11 times. 128 00:06:08,910 --> 00:06:13,123 But you cannot know the violent savagery unless you look. 129 00:06:17,043 --> 00:06:19,087 [man coughs] 130 00:06:19,087 --> 00:06:20,171 [audience and jury gasping] 131 00:06:27,846 --> 00:06:28,930 [audience murmuring] 132 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:46,406 [woman and man gasp] 133 00:06:51,244 --> 00:06:55,582 The prosecution will show, beyond all reasonable doubt, 134 00:06:55,582 --> 00:06:59,169 that the person responsible for this repulsive carnage... 135 00:06:59,169 --> 00:07:01,963 is Brian Latham, 136 00:07:01,963 --> 00:07:03,381 the man sitting right over there. 137 00:07:06,968 --> 00:07:08,345 That concludes my opening statement. 138 00:07:13,933 --> 00:07:15,310 [Douglas clears throat] 139 00:07:17,103 --> 00:07:18,313 I would ask first... 140 00:07:20,732 --> 00:07:24,277 when you go home tonight, 141 00:07:24,277 --> 00:07:26,738 let us all say a prayer 142 00:07:26,738 --> 00:07:30,742 for Susan Engrams and her family. 143 00:07:30,742 --> 00:07:33,662 Nobody here can feel their pain. 144 00:07:35,413 --> 00:07:37,832 This judicial proceeding 145 00:07:37,832 --> 00:07:39,584 can never make them whole. 146 00:07:41,252 --> 00:07:45,382 The prosecution has laid a setting 147 00:07:45,382 --> 00:07:47,884 of a horrible tragedy. 148 00:07:47,884 --> 00:07:50,136 The savagery‐‐ 149 00:07:50,136 --> 00:07:52,138 the defense does not dispute this, 150 00:07:52,138 --> 00:07:56,059 but we do take issue with their conclusion 151 00:07:56,059 --> 00:07:57,769 as to who is responsible. 152 00:07:59,396 --> 00:08:01,648 It wasn’t Brian Latham. 153 00:08:05,652 --> 00:08:08,113 When the prosecution searched for a witness... 154 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:11,449 they drew a blank. 155 00:08:14,077 --> 00:08:16,413 They looked for a motive, 156 00:08:16,413 --> 00:08:17,455 blank. 157 00:08:19,457 --> 00:08:22,335 They searched for a weapon, 158 00:08:22,335 --> 00:08:24,629 nothing. 159 00:08:24,629 --> 00:08:27,841 They combed my client’s person and property 160 00:08:27,841 --> 00:08:30,176 for bloodstains and forensic evidence... 161 00:08:34,806 --> 00:08:37,976 any evidence at all 162 00:08:37,976 --> 00:08:40,311 that would connect Brian Latham to violence... 163 00:08:42,897 --> 00:08:44,733 Nothing. 164 00:08:44,733 --> 00:08:46,985 As to their efforts, to find the person 165 00:08:46,985 --> 00:08:49,738 who really was responsible for this murder... 166 00:08:56,536 --> 00:09:00,081 Mr. Littleton has shown you the victim, 167 00:09:00,081 --> 00:09:02,208 I’ve shown you 168 00:09:02,208 --> 00:09:03,460 their case... 169 00:09:08,798 --> 00:09:11,342 Time of death, cause of death, 170 00:09:11,342 --> 00:09:14,637 absence of other hair or fibers on the body, 171 00:09:14,637 --> 00:09:16,765 in the car or at the scene. 172 00:09:16,765 --> 00:09:19,976 ‐Check. ‐And Carter, make sure your voice works, okay? 173 00:09:19,976 --> 00:09:22,145 We’re not going to get a conviction if you sound like a damn chipmunk again. 174 00:09:22,145 --> 00:09:24,272 ‐[makes wheezing sound] ‐Why are you so nervous? 175 00:09:24,272 --> 00:09:27,400 Because Wambaugh opened great, that’s why. 176 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,779 Then you go up, you’re going to cover all the prints, the tire tracks, 177 00:09:30,779 --> 00:09:34,032 the footprints and corroborate the store owner’s statement. 178 00:09:34,032 --> 00:09:36,367 Then I put you up, Kenny, you are critical. 179 00:09:36,367 --> 00:09:37,368 ‐[Carter] ♪ Mi, mi, mi ♪ ‐[Kenny] I’m ready. 180 00:09:37,368 --> 00:09:38,369 ‐Carter! ‐[clears throat] 181 00:09:41,331 --> 00:09:44,167 His pointing you to where the body was is the lynchpin. 182 00:09:44,167 --> 00:09:48,129 Okay, his demeanor, his look of contrition, guilt, 183 00:09:48,129 --> 00:09:51,299 his sense of wanting redemption for a crime he knew he committed, 184 00:09:51,299 --> 00:09:52,967 his feeling of remorse for taking a human life‐‐ 185 00:09:52,967 --> 00:09:55,053 these are the things you saw in that cell. 186 00:09:55,053 --> 00:09:57,806 And these are the things you must make that jury see. 187 00:09:57,806 --> 00:10:00,433 ‐We’ve been over it. ‐[John] Okay. 188 00:10:00,433 --> 00:10:02,102 There’s one other thing we’ve got to talk about. 189 00:10:09,567 --> 00:10:11,277 Now, I don’t mean to be critical, 190 00:10:11,277 --> 00:10:12,320 but this is a reality that we’re dealing with. 191 00:10:14,364 --> 00:10:16,616 The sheriff department is perceived to be terrible 192 00:10:16,616 --> 00:10:19,536 and largely that perception is accurate. 193 00:10:19,536 --> 00:10:22,330 Your investigational habits are shoddy. 194 00:10:22,330 --> 00:10:25,166 There is a shocking lack of professional credibility in the personnel. 195 00:10:27,043 --> 00:10:30,088 Kenny, your intelligence doesn’t translate. 196 00:10:30,088 --> 00:10:31,381 Juries tend to think of you as simple. 197 00:10:33,174 --> 00:10:35,218 Officer Stewart, you are thought of 198 00:10:35,218 --> 00:10:38,638 as intelligent and thorough, but also erratic. 199 00:10:38,638 --> 00:10:42,475 And Carter, where do I begin with you? 200 00:10:42,475 --> 00:10:44,060 ‐[squeaky voice] Cheap shot. ‐What’s your point? 201 00:10:44,060 --> 00:10:45,979 ‐[clears throat] ‐[John] My point is, every case 202 00:10:45,979 --> 00:10:47,522 I prosecute is hampered 203 00:10:47,522 --> 00:10:49,941 by the credibility of this branch. 204 00:10:49,941 --> 00:10:51,943 Now, there are some pluses. 205 00:10:51,943 --> 00:10:53,903 The people know and trust you. 206 00:10:53,903 --> 00:10:56,197 And one of the reasons I didn’t try to kick venue 207 00:10:56,197 --> 00:10:59,492 was because in another town, potential jurors might not extend 208 00:10:59,492 --> 00:11:01,661 the same personal trust that comes from knowing you. 209 00:11:01,661 --> 00:11:03,997 They’d only focus on the professional incompetence. 210 00:11:03,997 --> 00:11:05,832 We’re not incompetent. 211 00:11:05,832 --> 00:11:08,168 Look, I don’t mean to attack you, 212 00:11:08,168 --> 00:11:10,170 but I have to make you aware of this reality 213 00:11:10,170 --> 00:11:12,463 so that you’re prepared to beat it. 214 00:11:12,463 --> 00:11:15,884 When you get up on that stand, I want to see authority. 215 00:11:15,884 --> 00:11:19,721 Carter, you are a great medical examiner, make that jury know that. 216 00:11:19,721 --> 00:11:21,764 Kenny, you’re clear headed. 217 00:11:21,764 --> 00:11:23,641 Be precise and decisive when you’re in that witness chair. 218 00:11:25,643 --> 00:11:27,312 A district attorney can only play his hand 219 00:11:27,312 --> 00:11:29,606 and you people are my hand. 220 00:11:29,606 --> 00:11:31,858 Now, I want that jury to know that this son of a bitch 221 00:11:31,858 --> 00:11:34,402 is guilty because you know it. 222 00:11:34,402 --> 00:11:36,070 You three know it. 223 00:11:36,070 --> 00:11:38,281 [small grunt, clears throat] 224 00:11:38,281 --> 00:11:40,158 Hmm. 225 00:11:40,158 --> 00:11:41,743 [crickets chirping] 226 00:11:41,743 --> 00:11:43,411 [dog barking in distance] 227 00:11:43,411 --> 00:11:46,456 So, if you think he did it, 228 00:11:46,456 --> 00:11:47,332 then why are you helping him? 229 00:11:49,125 --> 00:11:51,044 You have to understand, Zach, 230 00:11:51,044 --> 00:11:52,837 even guilty defendants are entitled 231 00:11:52,837 --> 00:11:55,131 to a defense and a fair trial. 232 00:11:55,131 --> 00:11:56,424 Why? 233 00:11:58,092 --> 00:11:59,636 Well, you see, um... 234 00:12:01,346 --> 00:12:03,014 The State has to prove guilt 235 00:12:03,014 --> 00:12:06,059 before they can lock somebody up. 236 00:12:06,059 --> 00:12:07,936 The defense attorneys have to make sure 237 00:12:07,936 --> 00:12:11,397 that the burden of proof is met in every case. 238 00:12:11,397 --> 00:12:14,859 It’s all about protecting our system of justice. 239 00:12:14,859 --> 00:12:18,446 So, when defense attorneys represent guilty people, 240 00:12:18,446 --> 00:12:21,282 they’re nevertheless protecting the system. 241 00:12:23,243 --> 00:12:24,869 And by doing that, the innocent are served. 242 00:12:26,537 --> 00:12:29,082 ‐Do you understand? ‐No. 243 00:12:32,210 --> 00:12:33,544 You will when you’re old enough. 244 00:12:35,046 --> 00:12:36,297 He killed somebody 245 00:12:36,297 --> 00:12:37,715 and you’re helping him. 246 00:12:37,715 --> 00:12:38,800 How old do I have to get? 247 00:12:40,551 --> 00:12:42,178 Wambaugh is using you. 248 00:12:44,514 --> 00:12:46,641 The jury knows 249 00:12:46,641 --> 00:12:50,478 the sheriff’s daughter is sitting at the defense table. 250 00:12:50,478 --> 00:12:53,106 They probably know you were friends Susan Engrams. 251 00:12:56,150 --> 00:12:57,318 You’re being used. 252 00:13:08,746 --> 00:13:10,623 The time of death can’t be fixed positive 253 00:13:10,623 --> 00:13:12,208 since the decomposition process 254 00:13:12,208 --> 00:13:13,918 is affected by the body being in water, 255 00:13:13,918 --> 00:13:17,046 the temperature of which was 54 degrees Fahrenheit. 256 00:13:17,046 --> 00:13:19,841 But through forensics, etymology, 257 00:13:19,841 --> 00:13:21,926 rigor mortis and post mortem changes, 258 00:13:21,926 --> 00:13:24,679 I can fix death between 1:00 and 4:00 a. m. 259 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,306 ‐Now, I should like to explain‐‐ ‐Objection! 260 00:13:27,432 --> 00:13:29,684 Too boring. 261 00:13:29,684 --> 00:13:31,436 We’ll agree that she died between 1:00 and 4:00 a. m. 262 00:13:31,436 --> 00:13:33,938 So stipulated. 263 00:13:33,938 --> 00:13:36,524 Were you able to determine the cause of death, Dr. Pike? 264 00:13:36,524 --> 00:13:37,608 [squeaky voice] Yes, I was. 265 00:13:37,608 --> 00:13:39,402 [crowd murmuring] 266 00:13:39,402 --> 00:13:40,236 [clears throat] Excuse me. 267 00:13:42,196 --> 00:13:43,990 [normal voice] It was death by stabbing. 268 00:13:43,990 --> 00:13:45,742 The victim received multiple wounds 269 00:13:45,742 --> 00:13:47,201 from a seven‐inch serrated blade. 270 00:13:47,201 --> 00:13:48,661 The fatal blow, being a stab wound 271 00:13:48,661 --> 00:13:50,371 to the heart itself. 272 00:13:50,371 --> 00:13:52,081 Now, I’d like to show you a picture 273 00:13:52,081 --> 00:13:54,125 ‐...of the victim‐‐ ‐We’ll stipulate 274 00:13:54,125 --> 00:13:56,419 that the girl was killed with a big knife. 275 00:13:56,419 --> 00:13:58,963 Uh, I would like to be able to offer my evidence 276 00:13:58,963 --> 00:14:00,506 ‐in a manner I’ve prepared‐‐ ‐You just want to show the pictures off 277 00:14:00,506 --> 00:14:02,467 ‐to shock the jury. ‐I agree. 278 00:14:02,467 --> 00:14:03,509 Move on, Mr. Littleton. 279 00:14:05,428 --> 00:14:07,805 What about the severing of the finger, Dr. Pike? 280 00:14:07,805 --> 00:14:08,806 Oh, yes. 281 00:14:11,976 --> 00:14:15,271 This appeared to be a pre mortem incision. 282 00:14:15,271 --> 00:14:16,981 Judging on the cuts on the dorsal side 283 00:14:16,981 --> 00:14:18,858 of the arms and the palms, 284 00:14:18,858 --> 00:14:20,234 it appeared the victim tried 285 00:14:20,234 --> 00:14:22,320 to defend herself inside the car. 286 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:23,988 It was during the struggle that I think 287 00:14:23,988 --> 00:14:26,783 the middle left finger was in fact severed. 288 00:14:26,783 --> 00:14:28,409 And is there anything else 289 00:14:28,409 --> 00:14:30,578 that these wounds told you, Dr. Pike? 290 00:14:30,578 --> 00:14:32,330 Aside from the cause of death? 291 00:14:32,330 --> 00:14:33,998 Yes. 292 00:14:33,998 --> 00:14:35,708 This was an extremely primal 293 00:14:35,708 --> 00:14:36,793 and brutal killing. 294 00:14:38,169 --> 00:14:39,087 This woman was butchered. 295 00:14:41,380 --> 00:14:43,216 It was the most gruesome autopsy ever 296 00:14:43,216 --> 00:14:44,383 in my professional experience. 297 00:14:46,177 --> 00:14:47,303 [John] Thank you, Dr. Pike. 298 00:14:48,012 --> 00:14:49,263 Nothing further. 299 00:14:52,350 --> 00:14:54,477 Dr. Pike, 300 00:14:54,477 --> 00:14:57,230 do any of your medical findings 301 00:14:57,230 --> 00:14:59,273 connect this crime to Brian Latham? 302 00:15:00,691 --> 00:15:01,734 My medical findings? 303 00:15:04,612 --> 00:15:06,531 ‐No. ‐Thank you. 304 00:15:09,659 --> 00:15:11,786 That’s the man all right, he bought the beer 305 00:15:11,786 --> 00:15:13,496 and he got right into her car. 306 00:15:13,496 --> 00:15:16,874 ‐What time was that, sir? ‐Uh, just after eleven. 307 00:15:16,874 --> 00:15:19,377 And when I closed up at 12:30, 308 00:15:19,377 --> 00:15:21,546 his truck was still parked in my lot. 309 00:15:21,546 --> 00:15:24,549 And are you sure it was this man and the victim, Susan Engrams? 310 00:15:27,635 --> 00:15:29,387 Positive. 311 00:15:29,387 --> 00:15:31,055 You said to the police, 312 00:15:31,055 --> 00:15:33,724 my client looked normal, even friendly. 313 00:15:33,724 --> 00:15:35,601 Yes, I did. 314 00:15:35,601 --> 00:15:37,937 And after observing my client’s behavior, 315 00:15:37,937 --> 00:15:39,647 you had no reason to think 316 00:15:39,647 --> 00:15:41,315 that Susan Engrams was in danger, did you? 317 00:15:42,358 --> 00:15:44,277 Well, no. 318 00:15:44,277 --> 00:15:46,821 In fact, you never called the police. 319 00:15:46,821 --> 00:15:48,656 Nothing seemed wrong, is that correct? 320 00:15:50,408 --> 00:15:53,077 ‐Yes, I guess that’s so. ‐Thank you, sir. 321 00:15:54,328 --> 00:15:55,204 Nothing further. 322 00:15:56,747 --> 00:15:57,623 You may step down. 323 00:16:01,919 --> 00:16:03,588 The People call Elaine LaFevre. 324 00:16:03,588 --> 00:16:06,007 ‐[Douglas] Objection! ‐Sidebar. 325 00:16:12,638 --> 00:16:15,016 We’ve been through this, she’s excluded. 326 00:16:15,016 --> 00:16:17,310 Just open the door on character testimony, Your Honor. 327 00:16:17,310 --> 00:16:20,563 ‐What? ‐He got Mr. Emmanuel to testify 328 00:16:20,563 --> 00:16:22,732 that the defendant was normal and friendly, 329 00:16:22,732 --> 00:16:24,525 He put character into issue. 330 00:16:24,525 --> 00:16:27,069 He cross‐examined on what Mr. Emmanuel saw. 331 00:16:27,069 --> 00:16:29,989 ‐The witness is excluded. ‐It also goes to pattern, Your Honor. 332 00:16:29,989 --> 00:16:32,909 ‐This man attacked this girl at knife point. ‐The witness is excluded. 333 00:16:32,909 --> 00:16:33,993 Damn it, Your Honor. 334 00:16:37,038 --> 00:16:38,372 I don’t think you meant to do that. 335 00:16:40,082 --> 00:16:41,626 I’m trying to put on a case here. 336 00:16:41,626 --> 00:16:43,753 Fine. Do it, 337 00:16:43,753 --> 00:16:46,255 but you can’t put witnesses up to establish 338 00:16:46,255 --> 00:16:47,924 that the defendant is a bad person. 339 00:16:49,842 --> 00:16:51,010 Now, get back. 340 00:16:59,602 --> 00:17:00,436 Does it bother you? 341 00:17:02,897 --> 00:17:04,857 We’re trying to free a man who committed murder. 342 00:17:08,361 --> 00:17:09,904 He never told me he’s guilty. 343 00:17:10,988 --> 00:17:12,949 You never asked him. 344 00:17:12,949 --> 00:17:16,911 I know this may be difficult to understand, 345 00:17:16,911 --> 00:17:19,830 but it would have been wrong for me to ask. 346 00:17:19,830 --> 00:17:24,085 I did what a good defense attorney is supposed to do. 347 00:17:24,085 --> 00:17:26,629 And that’s what’s hard to understand. 348 00:17:26,629 --> 00:17:30,007 That it’s proper procedure for lawyers to navigate around the truth. 349 00:17:30,007 --> 00:17:32,176 The system of justice, Kimberly, 350 00:17:32,176 --> 00:17:35,346 doesn’t always mean that the players should act justly. 351 00:17:35,346 --> 00:17:37,640 Take the LaFevre girl. 352 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,934 When John Littleton called her as a witness, 353 00:17:39,934 --> 00:17:44,021 yeah, he knew Judge Bone would deny it. 354 00:17:44,021 --> 00:17:47,692 But by calling her, the jury got to see that there was somebody else 355 00:17:47,692 --> 00:17:49,569 who had something to say for the prosecution. 356 00:17:51,654 --> 00:17:53,656 They get the impression there’s more to tell 357 00:17:53,656 --> 00:17:55,032 than they’re being told. 358 00:17:55,032 --> 00:17:57,159 It’s cheating‐‐ 359 00:17:57,159 --> 00:18:00,121 not much, just a little sleight of hand. 360 00:18:00,121 --> 00:18:03,749 We all do it, ’cause we know the other guys are gonna do it, 361 00:18:03,749 --> 00:18:05,084 and we don’t want them to have the edge. 362 00:18:09,213 --> 00:18:11,716 Judge Bone was right. It’s all about winning and losing. 363 00:18:13,384 --> 00:18:15,344 Well, the truth is supposed to be 364 00:18:15,344 --> 00:18:18,598 a product of the adversary process, 365 00:18:18,598 --> 00:18:22,310 so yes, that means both sides try to win at all costs. 366 00:18:24,854 --> 00:18:27,690 Even when it means we’re trying to free a guilty killer. 367 00:18:28,983 --> 00:18:30,901 I try not to ask myself 368 00:18:30,901 --> 00:18:32,194 such tricky questions. 369 00:18:37,283 --> 00:18:39,452 All hair and fibers found in the car 370 00:18:39,452 --> 00:18:41,787 belonged either to the victim, 371 00:18:41,787 --> 00:18:43,873 the victim’s family members who also drove the car, 372 00:18:43,873 --> 00:18:45,082 or the defendant. 373 00:18:45,082 --> 00:18:47,835 ‐The defendant? ‐Yes. 374 00:18:47,835 --> 00:18:52,006 Several strands of hair, found on the victim, or in her car, 375 00:18:52,006 --> 00:18:55,259 matched the samples taken from Brian Latham. 376 00:18:55,259 --> 00:18:57,470 We also found slight skin fragments, 377 00:18:57,470 --> 00:18:59,055 under her fingernails, 378 00:18:59,055 --> 00:19:00,681 that were an identical genetic match 379 00:19:00,681 --> 00:19:01,974 with the defendant. 380 00:19:01,974 --> 00:19:03,517 Do you have an established foundation 381 00:19:03,517 --> 00:19:05,603 for this witness to give DNA evidence? 382 00:19:05,603 --> 00:19:08,147 In the spirit of cooperation, 383 00:19:08,147 --> 00:19:11,233 we’ll stipulate that the hair, skin and clothing fibers 384 00:19:11,233 --> 00:19:13,319 probably came from my client. 385 00:19:13,319 --> 00:19:15,905 Well, this all happened during a brief wrestling match, 386 00:19:15,905 --> 00:19:18,199 where my client unsuccessfully tried for sex. 387 00:19:18,199 --> 00:19:21,243 ‐Move to strike. ‐Sustained. 388 00:19:21,243 --> 00:19:24,163 The jury will disregard defense council’s last statement. 389 00:19:24,163 --> 00:19:26,415 Move on. 390 00:19:26,415 --> 00:19:29,043 What other evidence did you find, Deputy? 391 00:19:29,043 --> 00:19:30,836 [Maxine] The only tire tracks leading to the pond 392 00:19:30,836 --> 00:19:33,214 were those of the victim’s car, 393 00:19:33,214 --> 00:19:37,093 meaning, whoever committed the murder, probably drove 394 00:19:37,093 --> 00:19:39,470 in the victim’s car to the swamp, 395 00:19:39,470 --> 00:19:41,931 dumped the body, then drove the car back 396 00:19:41,931 --> 00:19:45,685 to where it was discovered the following morning on Prospect Road. 397 00:19:45,685 --> 00:19:48,062 And did you find any footprints at the pond site? 398 00:19:48,062 --> 00:19:51,816 We did. And they matched the shoes 399 00:19:51,816 --> 00:19:54,610 being worn by the defendant at the time we arrested him. 400 00:19:54,610 --> 00:19:56,904 And were there any other prints to suggest 401 00:19:56,904 --> 00:19:58,531 that someone else had been around? 402 00:19:58,531 --> 00:20:00,366 No, they were not. 403 00:20:00,366 --> 00:20:02,076 And were there any hairs or fibers 404 00:20:02,076 --> 00:20:04,328 found on the person of the victim, 405 00:20:04,328 --> 00:20:06,914 that did not come from either the victim or the defendant? 406 00:20:08,207 --> 00:20:09,542 No, there were not. 407 00:20:11,335 --> 00:20:13,170 Thank you, Deputy. I have nothing further. 408 00:20:19,093 --> 00:20:22,012 When you arrested my client, 409 00:20:22,012 --> 00:20:24,807 you checked his person, his truck, 410 00:20:24,807 --> 00:20:27,476 and motel room for physical evidence, didn’t you? 411 00:20:27,476 --> 00:20:29,186 Yes. 412 00:20:29,186 --> 00:20:31,230 [Douglas] Did you find any? 413 00:20:31,230 --> 00:20:33,691 ‐No. ‐Nothing? 414 00:20:33,691 --> 00:20:36,152 Not even a spattering of blood? 415 00:20:36,152 --> 00:20:38,904 ‐Not anything? ‐No. 416 00:20:38,904 --> 00:20:41,198 You never found a murder weapon? 417 00:20:41,198 --> 00:20:42,908 [Maxine] No, we did not. 418 00:20:42,908 --> 00:20:44,618 ‐[Douglas] Eyewitnesses? ‐[Maxine] No. 419 00:20:45,995 --> 00:20:48,581 What a thing. 420 00:20:48,581 --> 00:20:50,458 Before Susan Engrams left the house 421 00:20:50,458 --> 00:20:53,794 on the night of question, do you know what happened? 422 00:20:53,794 --> 00:20:56,046 She was involved in an argument with her parents. 423 00:20:56,046 --> 00:20:58,215 An angry argument, according to the statement 424 00:20:58,215 --> 00:21:00,259 that they made to the police. 425 00:21:00,259 --> 00:21:02,261 And you say you found their hair 426 00:21:02,261 --> 00:21:03,971 and fibers in her car? 427 00:21:03,971 --> 00:21:05,806 Maybe they found her and killed her! 428 00:21:05,806 --> 00:21:07,141 ‐[John] Objection. ‐Counsel. 429 00:21:07,141 --> 00:21:10,311 It’s just a theory, I know. 430 00:21:10,311 --> 00:21:13,355 Did you explore this possibility, Deputy Stewart? 431 00:21:13,355 --> 00:21:16,275 ‐No, we did not. ‐Why not? 432 00:21:16,275 --> 00:21:18,569 There was no evidence indicating 433 00:21:18,569 --> 00:21:20,237 any involvement by the parents. 434 00:21:20,237 --> 00:21:22,198 You didn’t even consider 435 00:21:22,198 --> 00:21:24,575 that it could be anybody else, did you, Deputy? 436 00:21:24,575 --> 00:21:27,912 All the evidence pointed to him. 437 00:21:27,912 --> 00:21:30,247 All the evidence you bothered to collect. 438 00:21:32,166 --> 00:21:33,542 Under oath, Deputy Stewart, 439 00:21:33,542 --> 00:21:35,294 there’s been a lot of public pressure 440 00:21:35,294 --> 00:21:37,797 for you to solve this crime, hasn’t there? 441 00:21:37,797 --> 00:21:40,591 Public hysteria does not compromise our investigations. 442 00:21:40,591 --> 00:21:44,345 I again remind you that you are under oath. 443 00:21:44,345 --> 00:21:47,181 When you interrogated Brian Latham, 444 00:21:47,181 --> 00:21:49,975 did you say to him, 445 00:21:49,975 --> 00:21:51,894 "You won’t get a fair trial." 446 00:21:51,894 --> 00:21:55,231 "Somebody’s going to pay for what happened to this girl." 447 00:21:55,231 --> 00:21:57,233 "If you’re the only suspect we offer up, 448 00:21:57,233 --> 00:22:00,528 then it’ll be you, whether you’re innocent or not." 449 00:22:04,657 --> 00:22:05,866 Did you say that, Deputy? 450 00:22:08,536 --> 00:22:11,789 That was in the context of an interrogation. 451 00:22:11,789 --> 00:22:13,874 He told you he was innocent, 452 00:22:13,874 --> 00:22:16,293 and you responded, "It doesn’t matter." 453 00:22:16,293 --> 00:22:18,254 Somebody has to be blamed. 454 00:22:18,254 --> 00:22:20,798 And then you said, "We’re the cops." 455 00:22:20,798 --> 00:22:23,801 "We can do anything we want." 456 00:22:23,801 --> 00:22:27,012 [crowd murmuring] 457 00:22:27,012 --> 00:22:29,932 We were doing a "good cop, bad cop" thing. 458 00:22:29,932 --> 00:22:31,392 You said it, didn’t you? 459 00:22:33,018 --> 00:22:35,771 Yes, but you don’t understand... 460 00:22:35,771 --> 00:22:37,731 [Douglas] Thank you... 461 00:22:37,731 --> 00:22:39,024 but I think I do. 462 00:22:58,210 --> 00:23:01,630 I just, I can’t take this, I just cannot take this anymore. 463 00:23:03,340 --> 00:23:05,342 First, you violate the constitution. 464 00:23:05,342 --> 00:23:06,635 Now, the case should have been kicked 465 00:23:06,635 --> 00:23:08,804 on that screw up, and now this? 466 00:23:08,804 --> 00:23:11,932 I, I cannot take... [sighs] 467 00:23:11,932 --> 00:23:14,560 You tell the defendant that he will not get a fair trial, 468 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,061 it doesn’t matter if he’s innocent or not, 469 00:23:16,061 --> 00:23:17,771 the jury’s gonna convict him anyway? 470 00:23:17,771 --> 00:23:21,442 ‐It was a tactic. ‐A tactic? 471 00:23:21,442 --> 00:23:24,945 It was a tac‐‐ Oh, it was a tactic. 472 00:23:24,945 --> 00:23:27,781 We dispense with the constitution as a tactic? 473 00:23:27,781 --> 00:23:30,200 We threaten unfair trials as a tactic? 474 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,328 These are the tactics of the Rome, Wisconsin Sheriffs Department. 475 00:23:32,328 --> 00:23:34,496 ‐I have had it! ‐John‐‐ 476 00:23:34,496 --> 00:23:38,208 No! A killer’s gonna walk, Sheriff, don’t defend them. 477 00:23:38,208 --> 00:23:40,669 Take responsibility. 478 00:23:40,669 --> 00:23:42,630 Their behavior is a reflection on you 479 00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:45,132 and right now, your whole damn department’s a joke. 480 00:23:45,132 --> 00:23:47,176 I’m a joke. 481 00:23:47,176 --> 00:23:50,054 We are the team responsible for letting a murderer walk. 482 00:23:51,805 --> 00:23:53,432 Turn on the newscast tomorrow night, 483 00:23:53,432 --> 00:23:54,683 and just listen to what all the commentators 484 00:23:54,683 --> 00:23:56,268 are saying about all of us. 485 00:23:56,268 --> 00:23:58,437 And if that doesn’t sink in, try, 486 00:23:58,437 --> 00:24:01,565 just try making eye contact with Susan Engrams’ parents. 487 00:24:01,565 --> 00:24:04,068 Their daughter was chopped into pieces 488 00:24:04,068 --> 00:24:05,402 and the man who’s responsible is going to go free 489 00:24:05,402 --> 00:24:07,446 because of our incompetence. 490 00:24:07,446 --> 00:24:09,657 This isn’t over yet, there’s still Kenny’s testimony. 491 00:24:09,657 --> 00:24:13,118 [scoffs] Imagine the confidence I get from that. 492 00:24:13,118 --> 00:24:14,411 Nothing is helped by this. 493 00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:19,041 Deputy Lacos, tomorrow, 494 00:24:19,041 --> 00:24:21,251 tomorrow I put the whole prosecution in your hands. 495 00:24:29,802 --> 00:24:31,428 [indistinct chatter] 496 00:24:37,142 --> 00:24:40,312 Unexpected surprises are the best. 497 00:24:40,312 --> 00:24:42,439 Not to me. Get out. 498 00:24:42,439 --> 00:24:44,483 You’re a character. 499 00:24:44,483 --> 00:24:47,528 I’m also the judge in the case you’re trying. 500 00:24:47,528 --> 00:24:49,279 Don’t you know what ex parte is? 501 00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:51,073 Of course I do, it’s Latin. 502 00:24:51,073 --> 00:24:52,533 But when I saw you eating, 503 00:24:52,533 --> 00:24:54,368 I thought you might want company. 504 00:24:54,368 --> 00:24:56,829 ‐Social. ‐Wrong again. Get out. 505 00:24:57,913 --> 00:25:00,040 You know, Henry, 506 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,836 not to discuss facts, because I know I cannot do that, 507 00:25:03,836 --> 00:25:06,130 but what a cross I had today. 508 00:25:06,130 --> 00:25:08,882 With Max on the stand, any lawyer could only hope 509 00:25:08,882 --> 00:25:11,176 to have one cross in a career. 510 00:25:11,176 --> 00:25:12,553 I could actually get this guy off. 511 00:25:14,013 --> 00:25:14,972 You must be very proud. 512 00:25:16,473 --> 00:25:19,184 Back when I started practice, 513 00:25:19,184 --> 00:25:22,021 I would actually get aroused by success in the courtroom. 514 00:25:23,355 --> 00:25:25,065 Sexually stimulated. 515 00:25:25,065 --> 00:25:26,692 Uh, not a lot, but a little. 516 00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:31,155 I’m so happy you’re sharing this. 517 00:25:31,155 --> 00:25:34,533 This all happened when I was in my 20s. 518 00:25:34,533 --> 00:25:36,660 I’ve won a lot of cases since then. 519 00:25:36,660 --> 00:25:38,579 It’s become routine. 520 00:25:38,579 --> 00:25:41,915 But today when I crossed Max... 521 00:25:41,915 --> 00:25:43,709 And when she admitted to those things 522 00:25:43,709 --> 00:25:46,253 that she said in the interrogation, 523 00:25:46,253 --> 00:25:48,255 what a rush. 524 00:25:48,255 --> 00:25:51,467 I felt a little tingle, not much, 525 00:25:51,467 --> 00:25:52,342 just a little. 526 00:25:53,427 --> 00:25:54,970 I had a moment, Henry. 527 00:25:57,931 --> 00:26:00,642 [clears throat] 528 00:26:00,642 --> 00:26:03,145 You must admit that the practice of law 529 00:26:03,145 --> 00:26:05,522 can be a very gratifying thing. 530 00:26:17,993 --> 00:26:19,620 Boy, do I need a housekeeper. 531 00:26:25,501 --> 00:26:28,420 ‐The boys gone? ‐Yeah, they left early, they wanted to walk. 532 00:26:33,258 --> 00:26:35,010 [Jimmy] Shouldn’t you be going to school? 533 00:26:35,010 --> 00:26:36,386 [Kimberly] I’m in court, the teachers know. 534 00:26:37,888 --> 00:26:40,140 You shouldn’t miss a whole week. 535 00:26:40,140 --> 00:26:42,309 What’s the problem, Daddy? 536 00:26:42,309 --> 00:26:44,770 You don’t want me sitting at Wambaugh’s table, I get it. 537 00:26:44,770 --> 00:26:46,939 But don’t come at me sideways with the school thing. 538 00:26:46,939 --> 00:26:49,691 Don’t talk to me with that tone. 539 00:26:49,691 --> 00:26:51,527 ‐My tone is honest. ‐All right. 540 00:26:51,527 --> 00:26:53,445 You want me out of that courtroom 541 00:26:53,445 --> 00:26:56,198 so the jury might think that I abandoned the defense. 542 00:26:56,198 --> 00:26:58,659 So, how about this, Daddy, how about I go to court, 543 00:26:58,659 --> 00:27:01,161 announce Brian Latham is guilty and then I’ll go to school? 544 00:27:01,161 --> 00:27:02,704 ‐I told you to drop that tone. ‐I’m... 545 00:27:02,704 --> 00:27:04,581 ‐I think maybe... ‐What about your tone all week? 546 00:27:04,581 --> 00:27:06,834 I never even look at you, much less talk to you. 547 00:27:06,834 --> 00:27:08,168 ‐Jimmy... ‐I’m an adult now, I don’t need... 548 00:27:08,168 --> 00:27:09,878 Maybe you’re a little sensitive 549 00:27:09,878 --> 00:27:11,839 because you are ashamed of what you are doing. 550 00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:13,549 You should be ashamed of trying to take advantage of me. 551 00:27:13,549 --> 00:27:15,551 I am ashamed, I’m ashamed of my daughter. 552 00:27:15,551 --> 00:27:16,885 ‐Jimmy! ‐You go to hell! 553 00:27:19,304 --> 00:27:21,223 [door slams] 554 00:27:21,223 --> 00:27:23,517 I knew he believed in God. 555 00:27:23,517 --> 00:27:26,311 And I asked him as a believer in God, 556 00:27:26,311 --> 00:27:29,606 as a believer that every Christian deserves a proper burial, 557 00:27:29,606 --> 00:27:31,483 I asked him to tell me where that body lay. 558 00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:33,569 And his response? 559 00:27:33,569 --> 00:27:35,529 At first, he just looked down. 560 00:27:35,529 --> 00:27:37,990 So, I asked him to think about her parents. 561 00:27:37,990 --> 00:27:40,117 I asked him to make things right. 562 00:27:40,117 --> 00:27:43,996 I asked him again, make things right. 563 00:27:43,996 --> 00:27:45,622 That’s when he told me. 564 00:27:45,622 --> 00:27:48,458 ‐[John] Told you where to look? ‐[Kenny] Exactly. 565 00:27:48,458 --> 00:27:51,336 We then proceeded to the destination and retrieved the corpse. 566 00:27:51,336 --> 00:27:55,591 And did Brian Latham admit to killing Susan Engrams? 567 00:27:55,591 --> 00:27:59,553 He didn’t say it in words, but he made it clear. 568 00:27:59,553 --> 00:28:01,096 He put that girl in the swamp. 569 00:28:03,056 --> 00:28:04,266 [John] Thank you, Deputy. 570 00:28:04,266 --> 00:28:05,225 I have nothing further. 571 00:28:08,562 --> 00:28:10,355 Are you a mind reader, Kenny? 572 00:28:10,355 --> 00:28:12,316 [Kenny] No, sir, I’m not. 573 00:28:12,316 --> 00:28:14,067 Yet you say that my client 574 00:28:14,067 --> 00:28:16,653 made something clear without words. 575 00:28:16,653 --> 00:28:19,114 What’d you do, play charades? 576 00:28:19,114 --> 00:28:21,241 All I can say, Counsel, 577 00:28:21,241 --> 00:28:23,327 ‐is that communication isn’t limited to words. ‐Perhaps... 578 00:28:23,327 --> 00:28:24,703 May I finish my response, please? 579 00:28:24,703 --> 00:28:26,288 ‐No. ‐[Henry] Yes. 580 00:28:27,372 --> 00:28:28,248 Go ahead. 581 00:28:30,167 --> 00:28:32,419 He was careful not to say it exactly, 582 00:28:32,419 --> 00:28:34,212 but I was in that room‐‐ 583 00:28:34,212 --> 00:28:36,423 eye to eye, we looked at each other, 584 00:28:36,423 --> 00:28:38,800 Catholic to Catholic, 585 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,511 we knew we had to face the truth, 586 00:28:41,511 --> 00:28:43,263 and he told me where the body was. 587 00:28:43,263 --> 00:28:45,766 He was admitting to me that he killed her. 588 00:28:45,766 --> 00:28:48,727 Did he say it with words? No. 589 00:28:48,727 --> 00:28:51,688 Did he say it? Yes, he did. 590 00:28:51,688 --> 00:28:54,024 So, we have to assume 591 00:28:54,024 --> 00:28:56,610 the body language skills of Kenny Lacos. 592 00:28:56,610 --> 00:28:58,695 I was the only person in the room with him. 593 00:28:58,695 --> 00:29:01,281 You can’t contradict me, because you weren’t there. 594 00:29:01,281 --> 00:29:03,951 And I’m telling you, and everybody in this room, 595 00:29:03,951 --> 00:29:05,702 that man killed Susan Engrams. 596 00:29:05,702 --> 00:29:08,163 ‐[Douglas] Objection. ‐[Henry] Sustained. 597 00:29:08,163 --> 00:29:09,748 That remark is stricken. 598 00:29:09,748 --> 00:29:11,124 Any more questions, Mr. Wambaugh? 599 00:29:11,124 --> 00:29:13,585 No, Your Honor, nothing further. 600 00:29:15,045 --> 00:29:15,879 The witness may step down. 601 00:29:27,432 --> 00:29:29,518 We just got hurt, Kenny was good. 602 00:29:31,228 --> 00:29:32,437 So, what happens now? 603 00:29:32,437 --> 00:29:34,564 I think we’ve got to testify. 604 00:29:34,564 --> 00:29:37,359 Now, you listen to me very carefully, Mr. Latham. 605 00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:39,861 Your life depends on it. 606 00:29:39,861 --> 00:29:43,699 Follow this‐‐ if you don’t testify, we will lose. 607 00:29:43,699 --> 00:29:47,035 Now, that’s simple, here’s where it’s complicated. 608 00:29:47,035 --> 00:29:49,246 As your lawyer, I have an obligation 609 00:29:49,246 --> 00:29:51,873 to say that you must tell the truth. 610 00:29:51,873 --> 00:29:54,459 If I know you’re going to lie, 611 00:29:54,459 --> 00:29:57,421 I have a duty to either not put you up there, 612 00:29:57,421 --> 00:30:00,382 or to let you testify to the narrative only. 613 00:30:00,382 --> 00:30:03,093 In which case the jury will figure things out. 614 00:30:03,093 --> 00:30:05,220 The best thing would be, of course, 615 00:30:05,220 --> 00:30:07,806 is for me to believe that you didn’t kill Susan Engrams. 616 00:30:07,806 --> 00:30:11,268 Then I would have no ethical problem putting you on the stand. 617 00:30:11,268 --> 00:30:12,978 ‐Are you with me? ‐I think so. 618 00:30:15,022 --> 00:30:17,816 So, I am now going to ask you for the first time, 619 00:30:17,816 --> 00:30:19,443 did you kill Susan Engrams? 620 00:30:21,653 --> 00:30:23,905 No, I did not. 621 00:30:23,905 --> 00:30:26,450 Excellent. Now, here are the problem areas 622 00:30:26,450 --> 00:30:29,453 you must explore. Kimberly? 623 00:30:29,453 --> 00:30:31,705 Fragments of your skin found under her fingernails. 624 00:30:31,705 --> 00:30:33,373 You said you briefly wrestled with her, 625 00:30:33,373 --> 00:30:35,083 a little sexual foreplay. 626 00:30:35,083 --> 00:30:38,587 Uh, perhaps it got rough and she scratched you. 627 00:30:38,587 --> 00:30:40,797 I don’t know, it’s for you to think about. 628 00:30:40,797 --> 00:30:42,758 Kimberly? 629 00:30:42,758 --> 00:30:45,844 Your footprints at the scene, your knowing where the body was. 630 00:30:45,844 --> 00:30:48,013 [Douglas] That’s their whole case. 631 00:30:48,013 --> 00:30:51,433 If you can satisfy these questions, we still have a chance. 632 00:30:51,433 --> 00:30:53,643 Remember, you have an obligation 633 00:30:53,643 --> 00:30:56,271 to tell the truth at all times, of course. 634 00:30:56,271 --> 00:30:57,481 Of course. 635 00:30:57,481 --> 00:31:00,358 Very important. 636 00:31:00,358 --> 00:31:03,278 If Mr. Littleton traps you on cross, 637 00:31:03,278 --> 00:31:06,031 if he catches you in any misstatement, 638 00:31:06,031 --> 00:31:08,200 it’s probably because this whole thing 639 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,036 is so upsetting that you get confused. 640 00:31:11,036 --> 00:31:14,581 Heh. Imagine being accused of such a horrible crime. 641 00:31:14,581 --> 00:31:16,416 Whose mind wouldn’t be affected? 642 00:31:16,416 --> 00:31:19,002 ‐I got you. ‐Good. 643 00:31:19,002 --> 00:31:22,714 So tell me, what happened after the two of you left the store? 644 00:31:25,008 --> 00:31:27,636 At first, we just drove around drinking the beer. 645 00:31:27,636 --> 00:31:30,013 We actually drove down to the pond for a little bit. 646 00:31:30,013 --> 00:31:31,723 I got out and looked around. 647 00:31:31,723 --> 00:31:33,850 [Douglas] You went to the pond? 648 00:31:33,850 --> 00:31:37,604 Just for a few minutes, she said it was her favorite place. 649 00:31:37,604 --> 00:31:39,564 The we went driving around some more 650 00:31:39,564 --> 00:31:41,441 and pulled over on a dirt road. 651 00:31:41,441 --> 00:31:43,360 And what happened there? 652 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,779 Well, we finished the beer 653 00:31:45,779 --> 00:31:48,031 and we started to kiss a little bit. 654 00:31:48,031 --> 00:31:51,535 ‐Then, things kind of heated up. ‐How? 655 00:31:51,535 --> 00:31:53,537 [Brian] Well, the kissing got a little bit more passionate. 656 00:31:53,537 --> 00:31:54,996 And I, uh... 657 00:31:57,165 --> 00:31:59,876 You know, touched her breasts and buttocks. 658 00:31:59,876 --> 00:32:02,129 And this was all consensual? 659 00:32:02,129 --> 00:32:04,047 [Brian] Completely. 660 00:32:04,047 --> 00:32:05,799 And then I kind of tried to take her pants off 661 00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:07,008 and we wrestled a little. 662 00:32:09,845 --> 00:32:11,429 She kind of scratched me. 663 00:32:11,429 --> 00:32:14,724 ‐She scratched you? ‐[Brian] Yes. 664 00:32:14,724 --> 00:32:17,644 She said she didn’t want to go any further so we stopped. 665 00:32:17,644 --> 00:32:19,312 [Douglas] And then what? 666 00:32:19,312 --> 00:32:20,814 Then she drove me back down to the store, 667 00:32:20,814 --> 00:32:22,023 probably around two. 668 00:32:23,942 --> 00:32:27,404 I got out, got in my truck and drove home. 669 00:32:27,404 --> 00:32:28,405 That was the last I saw her. 670 00:32:29,948 --> 00:32:31,783 [Douglas] Well, Brian, 671 00:32:31,783 --> 00:32:34,244 how did you know where the body was? 672 00:32:34,244 --> 00:32:36,705 I didn’t know. 673 00:32:36,705 --> 00:32:40,083 Deputy Lacos kept pressing me for places to look. 674 00:32:40,083 --> 00:32:42,836 She had said that the pond was one of her favorite places. 675 00:32:42,836 --> 00:32:46,214 And, uh, I kind of directed him to look there. 676 00:32:46,214 --> 00:32:48,341 I didn’t know. 677 00:32:48,341 --> 00:32:49,509 I was‐‐ I was just trying to help. 678 00:32:51,928 --> 00:32:52,804 You were just trying to help? 679 00:32:54,472 --> 00:32:56,641 Tell me something, Mr. Latham, 680 00:32:56,641 --> 00:32:58,935 why didn’t you tell the police you’d been to the pond? 681 00:32:58,935 --> 00:33:01,855 As they brought me in, my lawyer instructed me to tell them nothing. 682 00:33:01,855 --> 00:33:04,107 But you went on to say a lot. 683 00:33:04,107 --> 00:33:06,735 Well, once they said I was a suspect, 684 00:33:06,735 --> 00:33:09,029 I certainly told them all that I thought was relevant. 685 00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:12,199 That I’d been kissing her, and that we were together. 686 00:33:12,199 --> 00:33:14,784 I didn’t think that the pond was really relevant at that point. 687 00:33:14,784 --> 00:33:17,495 But at some point, you changed your mind about that? 688 00:33:17,495 --> 00:33:20,624 Well, when she didn’t turn up 689 00:33:20,624 --> 00:33:22,500 I remembered her telling me 690 00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:24,920 that the pond was her favorite place. 691 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,172 So, I thought maybe she went back there 692 00:33:27,172 --> 00:33:29,925 and maybe something happened to her there, but I didn’t do it. 693 00:33:29,925 --> 00:33:32,427 Yeah, you keep saying that. 694 00:33:32,427 --> 00:33:34,930 Is there anybody who can verify the time 695 00:33:34,930 --> 00:33:36,514 that you got back to your motel that night? 696 00:33:36,514 --> 00:33:38,141 I don’t know, it’s your job 697 00:33:38,141 --> 00:33:39,935 to collect evidence, not mine, sir. 698 00:33:39,935 --> 00:33:42,562 Thank you. 699 00:33:42,562 --> 00:33:44,189 And isn’t it funny how all the evidence 700 00:33:44,189 --> 00:33:46,942 we did collect points right at you? 701 00:33:46,942 --> 00:33:50,612 And isn’t it strange that you knew exactly where that body could be found? 702 00:33:50,612 --> 00:33:52,113 But you say you didn’t do it, so I guess 703 00:33:52,113 --> 00:33:55,492 it’s our evidence versus your credibility. 704 00:33:55,492 --> 00:33:56,910 Have you ever been convicted of a crime? 705 00:33:58,995 --> 00:34:00,288 [John] I asked you a question, sir. 706 00:34:03,375 --> 00:34:05,502 ‐Breaking and entering. ‐How many times? 707 00:34:05,502 --> 00:34:06,419 Twice. 708 00:34:07,879 --> 00:34:09,881 You’re a convicted felon. 709 00:34:09,881 --> 00:34:12,259 ‐[crowd murmuring] ‐So, can we both agree 710 00:34:12,259 --> 00:34:14,261 that when this jury goes back to deliberate, 711 00:34:14,261 --> 00:34:16,137 that it should turn on your credibility? 712 00:34:16,137 --> 00:34:18,348 ‐[Douglas] Objection. ‐[Henry] Sustained. 713 00:34:18,348 --> 00:34:19,266 One last thing. 714 00:34:21,017 --> 00:34:23,728 You said when it became clear 715 00:34:23,728 --> 00:34:26,398 that the girl couldn’t be found 716 00:34:26,398 --> 00:34:28,900 you directed Kenny to the pond. 717 00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:32,070 But when the police first brought you in, they made it clear 718 00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:33,697 that Susan Engrams was missing. 719 00:34:35,699 --> 00:34:37,742 Why didn’t you tell them about the pond then? 720 00:34:40,370 --> 00:34:42,414 I, uh, I forgot. 721 00:34:43,832 --> 00:34:45,083 You forgot? 722 00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:48,795 I was being accused of a horrible crime. 723 00:34:50,338 --> 00:34:51,339 I was upset. 724 00:34:53,174 --> 00:34:54,509 [Brian] Can you imagine being told 725 00:34:54,509 --> 00:34:55,510 you’re a murder suspect? 726 00:34:57,679 --> 00:34:58,888 I was in shock. 727 00:35:00,056 --> 00:35:01,391 Yeah, I bet you were. 728 00:35:03,101 --> 00:35:04,060 I’m done with this witness. 729 00:35:06,271 --> 00:35:07,188 [Henry] The witness may step down. 730 00:35:10,066 --> 00:35:11,234 [crowd murmuring] 731 00:35:21,953 --> 00:35:24,831 There must be something in the water in Rome, Wisconsin 732 00:35:24,831 --> 00:35:27,083 because things just seem to keep happening there. 733 00:35:27,083 --> 00:35:29,252 And they happen fast. 734 00:35:29,252 --> 00:35:31,129 Today, the Brain Latham murder trial 735 00:35:31,129 --> 00:35:32,881 is expected to go to the jury, 736 00:35:32,881 --> 00:35:35,175 just two weeks after the defendant 737 00:35:35,175 --> 00:35:37,719 allegedly killed Susan Engrams. 738 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,013 You’ll remember this is the same town 739 00:35:40,013 --> 00:35:42,682 where the mayor was convicted of murder last year, 740 00:35:42,682 --> 00:35:45,226 only to be succeeded by another mayor 741 00:35:45,226 --> 00:35:47,646 who was murdered‐‐ by his own son. 742 00:35:50,857 --> 00:35:54,235 ‐Maybe we should move. ‐Just eat your cereal, Zach. 743 00:35:54,235 --> 00:35:56,571 I’m off to court, anybody got a problem with that? 744 00:35:58,698 --> 00:36:00,533 No. 745 00:36:00,533 --> 00:36:01,701 Not at all. 746 00:36:01,701 --> 00:36:02,661 Good. 747 00:36:05,747 --> 00:36:08,708 We all want to believe 748 00:36:08,708 --> 00:36:11,169 he’s the guy. 749 00:36:11,169 --> 00:36:13,046 We’re desperate to believe it 750 00:36:13,046 --> 00:36:15,715 because then we could fix things. 751 00:36:15,715 --> 00:36:18,009 We’d find him guilty, get him off the street, 752 00:36:18,009 --> 00:36:19,552 go back to feeling safe 753 00:36:19,552 --> 00:36:22,180 and sitting on our front porches. 754 00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:25,225 The facts, they’re pretty good. 755 00:36:25,225 --> 00:36:29,104 He was last seen with her, his footprints were at the pond 756 00:36:29,104 --> 00:36:31,690 and he knew where the body was. 757 00:36:31,690 --> 00:36:34,275 Now you could take the circumstantial evidence, 758 00:36:34,275 --> 00:36:36,194 combine it with your fear and desperation 759 00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:38,738 and fudge a conviction. 760 00:36:38,738 --> 00:36:40,865 The town will probably be grateful to you. 761 00:36:43,660 --> 00:36:46,454 But I bet that there are a few of you 762 00:36:46,454 --> 00:36:50,417 who are afraid of condemning an innocent man. 763 00:36:50,417 --> 00:36:54,003 Maybe some of you take seriously the obligation 764 00:36:54,003 --> 00:36:56,881 to find guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. 765 00:36:58,633 --> 00:37:00,260 Then, you’ve got trouble. 766 00:37:03,304 --> 00:37:05,390 He drove to the pond with her, 767 00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:07,142 then to a road side where they kissed a little 768 00:37:07,142 --> 00:37:08,852 and wrestled some. 769 00:37:08,852 --> 00:37:11,730 That explains all the physical evidence‐‐ 770 00:37:11,730 --> 00:37:15,316 the hairs, the fibers, the footprints. 771 00:37:15,316 --> 00:37:18,820 His knowledge that she liked the pond, that explains it all. 772 00:37:20,905 --> 00:37:22,657 No weapon. 773 00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:25,827 No witnesses. 774 00:37:25,827 --> 00:37:28,037 No blood on my client or his possessions. 775 00:37:28,037 --> 00:37:30,206 Nothing even microscopic. 776 00:37:31,708 --> 00:37:33,251 How is that possible? 777 00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:35,503 There would have to be a small spattering 778 00:37:35,503 --> 00:37:37,005 of blood somewhere. 779 00:37:37,005 --> 00:37:40,049 Simple answer‐‐ 780 00:37:40,049 --> 00:37:41,384 he didn’t do it. 781 00:37:42,969 --> 00:37:46,848 Brian Latham is innocent. 782 00:37:46,848 --> 00:37:48,850 And even if you hate the thought of it, 783 00:37:48,850 --> 00:37:51,186 you at least have to admit the possibility. 784 00:37:51,186 --> 00:37:53,772 It’s at least possible 785 00:37:53,772 --> 00:37:55,899 somebody came after Brain left 786 00:37:55,899 --> 00:37:57,942 and killed Susan Engrams. 787 00:37:59,569 --> 00:38:01,321 Deputy Stewart testified 788 00:38:01,321 --> 00:38:03,239 that they didn’t even look for anybody else. 789 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,493 They didn’t even investigate it. 790 00:38:06,493 --> 00:38:08,787 They were confident that you would convict 791 00:38:08,787 --> 00:38:10,747 whoever they would throw up for sacrifice. 792 00:38:12,081 --> 00:38:14,083 So, what do you do? 793 00:38:14,083 --> 00:38:16,377 I could ask you to go back to that room 794 00:38:16,377 --> 00:38:19,130 and do right by Brain Latham. 795 00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:22,133 I could ask you to do right by the system. 796 00:38:22,133 --> 00:38:25,720 Instead, I’ll only ask you to do right by yourselves. 797 00:38:27,847 --> 00:38:30,934 You all know there’s reasonable doubt. 798 00:38:30,934 --> 00:38:33,812 You can’t not know it. 799 00:38:33,812 --> 00:38:38,274 So all I ask is that when you come back out of that jury room, 800 00:38:38,274 --> 00:38:41,194 come out with your integrity intact. 801 00:38:43,196 --> 00:38:46,199 Come out with a verdict 802 00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:47,867 of not guilty. 803 00:38:47,867 --> 00:38:49,619 He’s right, not guilty. 804 00:38:49,619 --> 00:38:54,457 ‐[boy] Come on! ‐[all arguing] 805 00:38:54,457 --> 00:38:55,542 [Henry] Mr. Littleton. 806 00:38:57,961 --> 00:38:59,420 [sighs] You’d better be good. 807 00:39:01,297 --> 00:39:04,008 Well, for once, 808 00:39:04,008 --> 00:39:04,843 I agree with him. 809 00:39:06,886 --> 00:39:10,348 This thing comes down to your integrity. 810 00:39:10,348 --> 00:39:12,934 The last thing I do is ask you to safeguard the system. 811 00:39:12,934 --> 00:39:16,020 The system today is perverted. 812 00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:18,773 Attorneys jockey for positioning. 813 00:39:18,773 --> 00:39:22,110 We manipulate the press for jury bias. 814 00:39:22,110 --> 00:39:26,114 We hire publicists to remake criminals into victims. 815 00:39:26,114 --> 00:39:28,032 The truth? 816 00:39:28,032 --> 00:39:30,118 The truth is only relevant if it supports our case. 817 00:39:32,412 --> 00:39:35,081 But this process still has one redeeming exception 818 00:39:35,081 --> 00:39:37,500 that continues to make it the best in the world. 819 00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:38,459 It’s called the jury. 820 00:39:40,879 --> 00:39:43,339 It’s made up of people who, for the most part, 821 00:39:43,339 --> 00:39:46,759 still cling to the ideal that it must be about truth. 822 00:39:48,344 --> 00:39:50,263 It may be diminishing, 823 00:39:50,263 --> 00:39:55,184 but many Americans are still raised with a public conscience, 824 00:39:55,184 --> 00:39:58,396 an engrained sense of morality. 825 00:39:58,396 --> 00:40:01,274 And if we get enough of people in this box, 826 00:40:01,274 --> 00:40:03,026 the system still works. 827 00:40:07,113 --> 00:40:09,782 I don’t know what we’ve got in this box today. 828 00:40:09,782 --> 00:40:13,077 I do know you can go back to that room, 829 00:40:13,077 --> 00:40:14,871 dissect all the semantics, 830 00:40:14,871 --> 00:40:16,998 play with the pieces of evidence, 831 00:40:16,998 --> 00:40:19,375 consider all the magical possibilities. 832 00:40:19,375 --> 00:40:22,003 You could stay back in that room for a week. 833 00:40:22,003 --> 00:40:24,255 ’Cause anything is possible. 834 00:40:24,255 --> 00:40:25,882 Anything can be doubted. 835 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:28,843 But reasonable doubt... 836 00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:36,309 Drifter with a criminal record. 837 00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:38,102 Last seen with her. 838 00:40:38,102 --> 00:40:40,730 Knows exactly where the body was. 839 00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:42,231 His skin is under her fingernails. 840 00:40:42,231 --> 00:40:44,233 Come on! 841 00:40:44,233 --> 00:40:46,319 He killed that girl. 842 00:40:46,319 --> 00:40:48,905 He lied up on that chair. Everyone of us knows that. 843 00:40:50,865 --> 00:40:52,784 Now is it possible, the things that he said? 844 00:40:52,784 --> 00:40:53,952 Of course. 845 00:40:53,952 --> 00:40:56,204 Is it conceivable 846 00:40:56,204 --> 00:40:58,581 that he forgot to mention the pond to the police, 847 00:40:58,581 --> 00:41:00,959 but then remembered on the stand with the help from his lawyer? 848 00:41:02,877 --> 00:41:05,338 Anything is conceivable, 849 00:41:05,338 --> 00:41:06,714 but that’s not what happened. 850 00:41:09,342 --> 00:41:11,219 You look each other in the eye when you go back to that room. 851 00:41:11,219 --> 00:41:12,720 You know what happened. 852 00:41:16,182 --> 00:41:19,560 That man brutally stabbed this girl to her death. 853 00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:23,356 Their daughter, Susan Engrams. 854 00:41:26,901 --> 00:41:28,569 She’s gone. 855 00:41:31,197 --> 00:41:32,115 She’s gone forever. 856 00:41:36,661 --> 00:41:37,829 Do you people have a conscience? 857 00:41:39,872 --> 00:41:42,083 A barometer of good and evil? 858 00:41:43,918 --> 00:41:46,045 Show me. 859 00:41:46,045 --> 00:41:47,422 Show this community. 860 00:41:47,422 --> 00:41:49,757 Show these parents, 861 00:41:49,757 --> 00:41:51,843 show them 862 00:41:51,843 --> 00:41:53,261 that the truth, in fact, 863 00:41:53,261 --> 00:41:55,013 does count more than the contest. 864 00:41:58,141 --> 00:41:59,934 Like he said, "Come out of that room 865 00:41:59,934 --> 00:42:01,644 with your integrity intact." 866 00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:12,071 [woman] I just need to make a quick phone call. 867 00:42:12,071 --> 00:42:14,574 [indistinct chatter] 868 00:42:36,179 --> 00:42:37,805 When I said I was ashamed of you... 869 00:42:40,516 --> 00:42:41,350 I didn’t mean it. 870 00:42:44,270 --> 00:42:47,315 I know. 871 00:42:47,315 --> 00:42:49,442 I think that law can be a very noble profession... 872 00:42:52,612 --> 00:42:53,988 especially if you’re part of it. 873 00:42:57,283 --> 00:42:59,452 You are an extraordinary young woman, Kimberly. 874 00:43:02,205 --> 00:43:05,208 I’m just afraid that 875 00:43:05,208 --> 00:43:06,793 you’ll set your standards by Wambaugh. 876 00:43:11,547 --> 00:43:12,840 That would be a shame. 877 00:43:24,644 --> 00:43:26,270 [bailiff] The court will come to order. 878 00:43:59,095 --> 00:44:00,721 [Henry] Will the defendant please rise? 879 00:44:04,225 --> 00:44:06,269 Madam Foreman, has the jury reached a verdict? 880 00:44:07,603 --> 00:44:09,147 We have, Your Honor. 881 00:44:09,147 --> 00:44:11,023 What say you? 882 00:44:11,023 --> 00:44:13,568 In the matter of "People versus Brian Latham", 883 00:44:13,568 --> 00:44:15,820 on the charge of murder in the first degree, 884 00:44:15,820 --> 00:44:19,198 we find the defendant guilty as charged. 885 00:44:19,198 --> 00:44:21,200 ‐[people gasping] ‐[man] He got it. 886 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,120 [crowd murmuring] 887 00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,539 Yes, damn it! Yes! 888 00:44:26,539 --> 00:44:29,250 [cheering and booing] 889 00:44:31,919 --> 00:44:33,754 [gavel bangs] 890 00:44:33,754 --> 00:44:36,507 Members of the jury, thank you for your time. 891 00:44:36,507 --> 00:44:39,093 Your service is concluded. This matter is adjourned. 892 00:44:41,179 --> 00:44:43,347 Bailiff, take the defendant into custody. 893 00:44:43,347 --> 00:44:44,557 [gavel bangs] 894 00:44:55,776 --> 00:44:57,320 [female reporter] Mr. Wambaugh, one question. 895 00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:58,362 Mr. Latham, do you have a statement? 896 00:45:01,365 --> 00:45:03,326 We’ll appeal. I’ve already written the brief. 897 00:45:03,326 --> 00:45:05,286 Van’s waiting out back. Let’s get him down. 898 00:45:05,286 --> 00:45:06,996 ‐Deputy, one second. ‐Come on. 899 00:45:06,996 --> 00:45:09,123 One second, please. 900 00:45:09,123 --> 00:45:10,750 ‐Alone. ‐Hold on. 901 00:45:12,501 --> 00:45:14,128 ‐Make it quick. ‐It’s all over. 902 00:45:15,338 --> 00:45:16,214 Done. 903 00:45:18,674 --> 00:45:20,426 I’ve got no motive to say anything to you. 904 00:45:20,426 --> 00:45:22,011 Say it fast. 905 00:45:22,011 --> 00:45:23,054 Truth time. 906 00:45:25,056 --> 00:45:26,599 Catholic to Catholic. 907 00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:27,725 Me to you. 908 00:45:31,562 --> 00:45:32,438 I didn’t do it. 909 00:45:35,316 --> 00:45:36,776 I’m going to jail forever. 910 00:45:39,612 --> 00:45:41,906 I know it. I’m convicted. 911 00:45:43,407 --> 00:45:44,408 But I’m innocent. 912 00:45:47,662 --> 00:45:48,746 [Maxine] We gotta go. Come on. 913 00:46:09,475 --> 00:46:11,102 [theme music playing] 65096

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