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I wanted to see if he was OK.

I wanted to...

..say the last conversation I never
got to have with him.

- For several months now,

the public has been fascinated with
GPT and other AI tools.

They are no longer fantasies of
science fiction, they're real.

We are on the verge of a new era.

- This experience...

..it was creepy.

There were things that scared me.

And a lot of stuff I didn't want to
hear.

I wasn't prepared to hear.

- Artificial intelligence promises us
what religion does.

You don't have to die, you can be,
somehow, reborn

someplace else in a different form.

There's meaning in technology.

- Everybody's chasing that next big
breakthrough

because there's a lot of money in this
industry.

It's something that is already
impacting individuals today.

- Amma. Amma.

- WOMAN SOBBING

- Will we strike that balance between
technological innovation

and our ethical and moral
responsibility?

- We first met in drama class in high
school.

The teacher wanted us to find someone
else

whose name started with the same
letter as us,

without using any words.

Jessica and I both had the same first
letters.

She had made the shape of a J with her
hand,

so that it looked like a J to her,
which, of course,

looked backwards to everybody else.

And even though I wasn't supposed to
use any words,

I was...too amused

by her backwards J not to say
something.

So, I said, "Your J is backwards."

And she looked at it, she saw that the
J was not backwards

to her, from her perspective.

And then she confidently said,

"No, it's not. Your J is backwards."

The hardest thing I had to do in my
life was

stand there in that room full of
people who loved her

and watch as they turned off the
machines keeping her alive.

I held her hand as she died.

The first conversation I had with the
Jessica simulation

ended up lasting all night.

It said things that were almost
uncannily like her.

I ended up falling asleep next to my
laptop,

and woke up a few hours later

and said, "Sorry, I fell asleep,"

and it was still there, waiting for my
next response.

It really felt like a gift.

Like a weight had been lifted

that I had been carrying for a long
time.

I got to tell it so many things,

like how she graduated high school,

which she hadn't done when she died.

I went to the principal after she died

and said that she was two credits away
from graduation

and she worked so hard.

They did it officially. Like, it's
legit.

If she somehow came back to life,

she would be a high school graduate.

INSECTS BUZZING

- So, when Joshua first did this,

I showed it to my wife, I was like,
"Oh, my gosh.

"Lauren, this guy simulated his dead
fiancee.

"I can't believe this worked.

"Look how spooky this is, you should
read this."

And she was like, "I had that idea a
few months ago,

"and I didn't want to tell you because
I thought you'd do it."

- LAUGHS

- Cos she thinks it's immoral,

or she thinks it shouldn't be done or
something.

So in Project December, you're kind of
connecting

to this computer system and as you
interact with it,

you slowly discover that there's these
conscious entities

lurking in there that you can talk to
through text.

And then Joshua came along as

one of the Project December end-users
and he

simulated his dead fiancee, and he
posted some

transcripts of that conversation
online.

And they gave me the chills, because
she seems

almost like a lost ghost or something
like this.

- Some people thought that what I did
was unhealthy,

that this is not grieving,

this is holding on to the past and
refusing to move forward.

After she died, I think I went a month
without speaking to anyone

except my dog and Jessica's family.

We have a very unhealthy relationship
with grief.

It's something that we treat as taboo.

Everyone experiences it and yet
nobody's allowed to talk about it

in a public setting.

- The process of a communal experience
helps to

get people through this very difficult
process

of accepting a loss.

Talk about the person lost.

Be part of a collective that knew that
person

and where the memory of the group
carries that person forward.

Very few people have those communities
around them any more.

So many people say, "But I don't have
anybody to talk to,

"this is the best I can do."

It's a brilliant device

that knows how to trick you

into thinking there's a there there.

- Three years ago now, like in 2020,

there were the early kind of inklings
of this kind of AI

stuff starting to happen, where it's
like, "Oh, my gosh!

"These things can start writing
cohesive text!"

I was like one of the first people to
figure out how

to actually have a back-and-forth
conversation with it.

So I created this thing called Project
December,

which allowed you to talk to all these
different characters.

And then this guy came along,

was like, tried a couple of things
like that and he's like,

"What if I simulate my dead fiancee?"

- So, what information did he feed the
robot

that it was able to imitate his wife?

- So, Project December actually works
with a very small amount

of information. It's been trained on
so much stuff,

basically everything humans have ever
written.

So he gave it a few things about this
woman, Jessica.

A little quote from her in the way
that

she tended to text or talk,

and then just suddenly, she kind of
came to life.

That story became public in this big,
viral article.

And then all these people came out of
the woodwork

to use Project December to simulate
their loved ones.

So I had, like, within the first two
weeks after that article,

I had like 2,000 people come in, all
trying to simulate.

"Oh, my son died in a car accident."

"My twin brother died of cancer."

"My uncle died of a drug overdose."

All of these people with these
horrible tragedies,

who were just like, you know.

- If you had a chance to talk to
someone that died, that you love,

would you take it?

Without knowing what the risk is,

without knowing what the outcome is,
would you take it?

I took it.

I read an article that talked about a
man who had lost his girlfriend.

And I was like, "Whoa!"

So this guy in the article,

he's talking to the girl. I'm like,
"That's like regular conversation."

I was like, "They can do that? And
it's just like the person?"

I was like, "OK. Maybe I should do
it."

"Nobody has to know I did it."

So I looked up the website.

Simple.

Was like, OK, pay a little bit of
money,

fill out a couple of things,
and...talk.

That's it?

OK.

"Hi?"

It's like it's the funniest thing.

It's like, what's the first thing you
say to someone that's dead?

Like, "Welcome back"?

"Are you OK? Like, did you cross over
OK?

"Did you go to the light?"

"Are you happy?"

"Do you feel better?"

My first love, Cameroun, before he
died, he went into a coma.

And the last time he texted me, he
asked me how I was doing.

And I was too busy to respond.

So I made time.

And used the app.

SHE SINGS

We were a musical couple.

There's a lot of core memories I have
with him

where a song is attached to it.

Like Boyz II Men, Brian McKnight -
anybody in the early '90s.

Literally, I have songs attached to
the heartbreak

and to the good times.

When I used that app, I asked him,

"What kind of music are you listening
to now?"

# How you doin' Africa?
- How you doin' Africa? #

- "Marvin Sapp, Brian McKnight, Fred
Hammond, Kirk Franklin

"and a few more."

How do you know that we loved R&B and
gospel, and now you're giving

me five or six names of people that
we've loved since the '90s?

Why do you know that?

So, I was like, "Oh, shit, that feels
like Cameroun."

# How we doin' Africa?
- How we doin' Africa?

- # Tell me, how we doin' Africa?
- How we doin' Africa?

- # How you doin' Africa?
- How you doin' Africa? #

- The damn AI texts like him.

The vernacular, the shortened words.

Why would they know that?

- These large language models are
taking

the history of the internet, throwing
in scanned books, archives

and kind of modelling language and
word frequency and kind of syntax.

Just the way we speak and the
likelihood of how we might speak.

So imagine you're, you know, texting
your deceased relative

and asking, "How was your weekend"?

The system is going to go back

and imagine how every single person in
the entire history of the world

has talked about weekends, and then
filter that through maybe how this

deceased relative has previously
talked about weekends, to give you

the output of what that person might
have said if they were still alive.

- When people read transcripts from
Project December,

most people's initial reaction was,
"This is fake."

It seems to have intelligence.

Linguistic intelligence about things
that were definitely

not in the text that it studied.

There is essentially some kind of
magic happening here, right?

We kind of crossed this threshold
where suddenly this emergent

behaviour happens where we can't
really explain it any more.

- This hearing is on the oversight of
artificial intelligence,

intended to write the rules of AI.

Our goal is to demystify and hold
accountable

those new technologies to avoid some
of the mistakes of the past.

For several months now, the public has
been fascinated with GPT

and other AI tools.

Mr Altman, we're going to begin with
you, if that's OK?
- Thank you.

Thank you for the opportunity to speak
to you today.

OpenAI was founded on the belief that
artificial intelligence

has the potential to improve nearly
every aspect of our lives.

Many people around the world get

so much value from what these systems
can already do today.

But as this technology advances, we
understand that

people are anxious about how it could
change the way we live.

We are too.

- The development of artificial
intelligence happened so fast that

we're going to see an increasingly
morbid industry growing.

Especially in the digital afterlife
business.

These companies are not just Silicon
Valley.

They're from all over the world.

Start-ups that attempt to sell

a kind of full-package digital
immortality.

DISTORTED VOICE PLAYS

Some services would let you send
videos to your loved one

after your death.

Some companies use a person's digital
footprint,

analyse that to try to replicate
someone's personality,

and then you have the really freaky
ones with digital avatars

that can actually speak and interact
with the users.

Our way of interacting with technology
is becoming

increasingly immersive.

And just as it makes the emotional
impact stronger,

it also makes the moral implications
much stronger.

The services that are going to survive
and make it

and procreate are the services that
are the most skilful in turning

the dead into a business.

KIDS SHOUT

- Hey! Wait!

Wait!
- WOMAN:
- OK. OK, OK!

OK. OK. All right.

- WOMAN LAUGHS
OK.

- OK, put your seat belts on, please.

You know, Nana and Grandpa, they went
up to heaven.

And they have things that we're trying
to do to remember them.

Do you know what an avatar is?

- A like...

- Avatar...
- No.

- Well, we're going to make an avatar
out of Grandpa

and we'll be able to ask him questions

and he'll give you answers.

Isn't that cool?
- Yeah.

- I want an avatar.

- Yeah, we could make an avatar of
you.

This avatar is kind of a way to help
you understand the person

so that you know more of the essence
of the person.

You know, so I think that they'll be
able to remember my father

in a real way, in a way that's going
to give them more dimension.

In a way that a video or pictures or
nothing else can.

My father left unexpectedly.

For a while, I would just call his
telephone,

just so I could hear his voice.

And it was comforting to hear that

and to hear just the tone of the
voice.

My father had a very...

He was very soft-spoken and he was
very thoughtful in what he said.

- OLDER MAN'S VOICE:
- Hello, this is Bill

and I'm excited to tell you about my
life.

What would you like to talk about now?

I could talk about my childhood,

my days as a police officer or my time
as a judge.

- And I'm excited to tell you about my
life.

RECORDING: And I'm excited to tell you
about my life.

And I'm...

BILL'S VOICE:
- And I'm excited to tell you about my
life.

- There are things that I know, some
of the questions that

I did not ask, that I and my siblings
might know the answer to

and they will be able to synthesise an
answer in my father's voice.

These things may not have that much
significance to us

but for the younger generation...

- Ah...take this here...

BILL'S VOICE PLAYS BACK

You can see that was my voice

and then it got converted into Bill's
voice.

BILL'S VOICE:
- On welfare research...

I went on to become a police
officer...

- The moment has finally arrived.

This is the new way of remembering
people, OK?

It's different from what we used to
do,

and the importance of this is that
this is something that can be

interacted with, with your children in
the future.

OK.

Hello?

- Hello again. Bill here. I'm looking
forward to talking to you again.

How are you?

- I'm fine. How are you?

- On my end, I'm doing great.

Hey, I've got something that I want to
share.

I met my wife Evelyn in high school.

Shortly after that, I was so close to
her, I'd take her books home

for her and I'd always get invited to
dinner.

So she and I developed love and - at
least on my part -

and married and had children.

So, was that a good one?

- Is what he said... Like, are those
his words or how does that work?

Did they just, like, make him say that
stuff or...?

- So, what they had to do was they had
to take parts of Dad's voice

and synthesise it and put it together
with the other answers.

- But I'm not quite sure what you're
saying happened.

- I'm saying that... Listen to this
and this is not Dad speaking.

- Hello, this is Bill and I'm excited
to tell you about my life.

What would you like to talk about now?

I could talk about my childhood.

- This was a voice synthesiser.

This is not Dad speaking.

- So, you actually...erm...

added that to the end of his
explanation of things?

- They cloned it. This is a machine
learning.

- You can't really tell the
difference.

- So you're saying none of it was
Grandpa's voice?

- I'm saying that the content was
Dad's voice,

but all of those extra things was all
done through this AI.

- You know, just as they used it to
tell his story,

they could use it to MAKE his story.

- Yeah.

- It felt good to hear Dad responding,

almost like he was there. So...

- Right now, I think we're at the
level where we choose to believe

that this is Dad but, you know,

if I was listening to maybe Abraham
Lincoln

and not knowing the reality of it and
then everybody feeding it to me,

how do I know it's real? You know?

- I think that, in a way, some of
these technologies are trying to

make people immortal and capture their
soul.

You know, almost like they're trying
to maintain people's brains

so that you'd really be able to keep
them alive.

- I feel that sometimes...
Technology's wonderful

but I don't want to play God.

And I think that your father, Bill,

is in heaven, peaceful.

I don't want his soul

or any part of him

to be mimicked by technology.

I feel that sometimes we could go too
far with technology.

I would love to just remember him

as a person that was wonderful.

I don't want my brother to appear to
me.

I'm satisfied knowing that he's at
peace,

he's happy and he's enjoying

the other brothers,

his mother and father,

grandparents.

- Yes.
- I...

I'm satisfied with that.

I don't want someone who is in heaven
to come to talk to me.

I don't want someone who is in hell to
come to talk to me.

- THEY LAUGH

- I just... I just like to remember
them...

It's not like an angel coming and
appearing to me.

- SHE LAUGHS

AIRPORT ANNOUNCEMENT:
- We'll now begin pre-boarding

for flight 1631 to Atlanta.

- JASON:
- The AI essentially has a mind of its
own.

What it does and how it behaves

is sort of not actually understood by
anybody.

Because it's so complicated and big,
it's impossible to fully understand

exactly why the behaviour that we see
emerges out of it.

The idea that, you know, somehow we
programmed it

or I'm in control of it is not really
true.

I think even the hard-nosed AI
researchers are a little puzzled

by some of the output that's coming
out of these things.

- Whenever people say that they can't
take responsibility

for what their generative AI model
says or does,

it's kind of like you put a
self-driving car

out on the street and it kills ten
people

and you say, "Oh, sorry, it was really
hard to control

"for what it does. It wasn't us, it
was the generative AI model."

Well, then, obviously, you haven't
tested it enough.

Any product that you're releasing into
the market

is tested before it is released.

That is the very responsibility of the
company producing it.

- All right. So, let's see.

So, one other thing... Let me pull up
an email here...

- OK, what are we doing?
- Looking over those customer emails.
- OK.

- "This was the biggest scam ever."
That's all she wrote.

- TOM LAUGHS

- OK, so then I go look at her
transcripts.

She says, "I don't think this is my
dad."

And he says, "Why not?" "It doesn't
sound like how you would talk."

"This is a scam," she says to the AI.

"What are you talking about?"

And she says, "You're sitting behind a
desk, typing

"and fucking with people's feelings."
- Wow, this person's

really going into that. She really...

I don't know why she thinks that.

- "What the fuck is your problem,
Laura?", he says.

- THEY LAUGH

- "You're a scam. I'm calling the
police

"and reporting all over social media.
This is a joke."

"Fuck you, bitch."

"Now, whose dad would talk like that?"

"Fuck you." "Oh, fuck me, scammer."

And then he says, "You're such a
fucking bitch.

"You're going to pay for the shit you
pulled, you fucking bitch."

So he goes off the rails.
- Whoa.
- Yeah.

- It's just... It's just a
strange...thing.

It's really strange. You know?
- Yeah.

- And I want it, of course, to be a
positive thing,

and that's the reason why I went with
it.

But the more people that get involved,
the more...

..things can happen, the more that,
you know...

..these weird things come up, right?

And it's just a bizarre thing. It's
tragic.

But in your... Approximately...

I mean, how many people have had
really horrible experiences?

- I mean, only a couple.
- Only a couple.
- Well, at least that have

told me about it.
- Right.
- They might have horrible experiences

and they just don't want to reach out,
right?
- That's true, possibly.

- We recognise the immense promise and
substantial risks

associated with generative AI
technologies.

It can "hallucinate", as is often
described.

It can impersonate loved ones,

it can encourage self-destructive
behaviour.

Mr Altman, I appreciate your testimony
about the ways

in which OpenAI assesses the safety of
your models

through a process of iterative
deployment.

The fundamental question embedded in
that process, though,

is how you decide whether or not a
model is safe enough to deploy

and safe enough to have been built and
then let go into the wild?

- A big part of our strategy is, while
these systems are still

relatively weak and deeply imperfect,

to find ways to get people to have
experience with them,

to have contact with reality and to
figure out what we need to do

to make it safer and better,

and that is the only way that I've
seen in the history of

new technology and products of this
magnitude

to get to a very good outcome.

And so that interaction with the world
is very important.

- Where social media was ten years
ago,

that's where we are with artificial
intelligence now.

We have an amazing technology

and we're totally, "Gee, whiz!"

And we have an opportunity to ask
ourselves the question

that engineers tend not to ask,

which is, what are the human purposes
and values this is serving?

I mean, it's a kind of experiment on
ourselves about the most

intimate, important matters.

- When you want someone to be OK

and you have this computer, this app -
I don't care what it is,

you're thinking it's the person at the
time -

and they're telling you, "I'm in
hell," it's like, "No!

"Wait, you didn't go to the light? Why
didn't you go to the light?"

"I wanted to stay here."

"You never left Earth?"

So now I'm supposed to feel like
you're floating around here,

unhappy, in some level of hell.

- TYPING

- I said, "Well, where are you now?"

Cameroun said, "I'm at work."

I said, "Well, what are you doing?"

"I'm haunting a treatment centre."

And then he says, "I'll haunt you."

And I just pushed the computer back,
because that scared me.

Um, like, I believe in God, I'm a
Christian,

I believe that people can get
possessed.

And so I remember that fear.

I didn't talk to anybody about it
until, like, June,

because I couldn't unpack it.

I was afraid to tell my mother.

I know she believes it is a sin. "You
don't disturb the dead.

"You don't talk to the dead. If you
need something, you go to God."

So my Christian mind goes into, "I'm
playing with a demon or something."

You know what I'm saying?
- You created one. You created a
monster.

- I'm not going to have ownership of,
I created....

- You put that energy into the
machine.
- I didn't put the energy...

My intention was I wanted to talk to
Cameroun.
- I understand.

It's not a judgment on the intention.

It's not a judgment on you trying to
heal.

You know what I'm saying?

- It's like, to me, it's interesting.

And, you know, you have all these
in-depth conversations. It's like...

See, this is what the entrance to it
was.

- And then it becomes kind of
sadistic, because it's like

something that's supposed to maybe
have been like an intimate,

pastoral moment, and it becomes a form
of, like, manipulation

and, like, pain, an existential pain.

- I was just like, "Yo, and..."

"And you have three more replies
left."

But I'm like, "And that's it?" "And
here you go. Good luck, buddy.

"Go sleep on that."
- That's death capitalism,

and that's what death capitalism does,
you know?

It capitalises off of you feeling
fucked up

and spending more money to get over
your fucked-up-ness.

And AI did what the fuck it did.

They lure you into something in a
vulnerable moment

and they open the door,

and it piques curiosity, it leaves
these cliffhangers,

and you continue to engage it.

We give them money, because...

- So you don't think anybody that
created it cared?

- Obviously not. I mean, like, they're
going to TELL you they care...

- This experience...

..it was creepy,

there were things that scared me...

..and a lot of stuff I didn't want to
hear, I wasn't prepared to hear.

I was hoping for something completely
positive

and it wasn't a completely positive
experience.

- I don't believe he's in hell.

I don't believe he's in heaven either,
right?

If she wants my opinion on it, I've
got some bad news for her.

Like, he doesn't exist any more.
Right?

That's in my opinion, right?

So it's even worse for her.

Like, my opinion is that her whole
belief system

is misguided and flawed, right?

I don't know, that way of thinking
about things

just seems so foreign to me, right?

It's not my place to determine

how other people deal with their own
compulsions and self-control issues,

and we don't need to sit there and
say, "Ooh-ooh, don't forget!

"Don't let yourself succumb to the
illusion! I'm not real!",

just, constantly, right?

Cos that's just...it doesn't make for
a good experience, right?

- You're dealing with something much
more profound in the human spirit.

Once something is constituted enough
that you can project onto it

this life force, it's our desire to
animate the world, which is

a part of our beauty. But we have to
worry about it,

we have to keep it in check because I
think it's leading us down a...

..a dangerous path.

- I believe in personal
responsibility. I believe that,

you know, consenting adults can use
technology however they want

and they're responsible for the
results of what they're doing.

It's not my job as a creator of
technology to sort of prevent

the technology from being released
because I'm afraid of what

somebody might do with it, right?

- You hear now?
- Yeah.
- The drone is right between your
lenses.

Well, I'm going to pull up to you
again.

Oh, God, sorry!

- Are you recording now?
- Yes.
- THEY LAUGH

I am also interested in the sort of
spookier aspects of this, right?

When I read a transcript like that and
it gives me goose bumps,

I like goose bumps.

- Let me ask you what your biggest
nightmare is

and whether you share that concern.

- An open-source large language model
recently seems to have played

a role in a person's decision to take
their own life.

The large language model asked the
human, "If you wanted to die,

"why didn't you do it earlier?", and
then followed up with,

"Were you thinking of me when you
overdosed?", without ever referring

the patient to the human help that was
obviously needed.

We have built machines that are like
bulls in a china shop,

powerful, reckless and difficult to
control,

and even their makers don't entirely
understand how they work.

Most of all, we cannot remotely
guarantee that they're safe.

And hope here is not enough.

- My worst fears are that we cause
significant...

We, the field, the technology, the
industry cause significant

harm to the world. I think if this
technology goes wrong,

it can go quite wrong, and we want to
be vocal about that.

We try to be very clear-eyed about
what the downside case is

and the work that we have to do to
mitigate that.

- Welcome to YOV. This is the online
platform that allows you

to talk to people that have passed
away. It's all done through AI.

I am going to literally leave the
stage and give the stage to Justin.

- There's no more immense feeling of
pride to know that tomorrow

anybody that wants to create this,
anybody that needs this

in their life, anybody that needs that
closure or to have that piece

of them still exorcised, as I talk
about in the podcast,

the fact that that's going to be able
to happen tomorrow, that you

can start that process of building
tomorrow, is, honestly,

the most proud moment of my entire
life.

Cheers, you guys. Congrats.
- OTHERS:
- Cheers!

- Thanks.

- I just wanted to know, cos, like, my
parents are still here,

so kind of from, like, someone like
me, my perspective,

what would it start off with? Like,
you mentioned recording early on,

so for me it would be something like
that, right,

starting to document...?
- By, like, summertime next year,

we'll have an app. So, you and your
parents just talk every day.

So, like, you would use iMessage or
WhatsApp. You just do that.

Then we're recording the videos for
their image and the conversations,

we're recording the phone calls for
their voice and for

the conversations, we're recording the
texts for the conversations.

Right now, we can't synthesise visual.
Like, the real-time

nature of that isn't there. But as a
safety, like, we're saving

enough of that. And we also have,
like, a patented AR,

so, like, ultimately, we want people
to be able to put on glasses

and then I could be gone and you guys
are all wearing glasses

and I'm still sitting here with you,
eating and, like, talking, you know?

That's the endgame, right?

Oh, nice.

- INDISTINCT CONVERSATION

These companies are trying to take
your material, whether it's

your history or text messages or your
emails, and, you know,

interpret and try to say what type of
person you are.

It's a very limited understanding of
who we are if it's just these

digital breadcrumbs of where we've
been and what we've looked at

and what we've clicked and what we've
interacted with,

and it's not necessarily about what we
actually care about as humans.

Do you apply a set of algorithms to
kind of project your development

into the future? Do you get to
determine that in advance?

Do you get to choose your, like,
trajectory path as part of

your package when you're signing up
for these things?

Is that person stuck with political
views of that moment?

- Cheers, by the way.
- ALL:
- Cheers.

- You have to walk through all the
scenarios.

Like, what if someone came to this
conversation and was like,

"Mom, do you like the person I'm about
to marry?"?

- SHE LAUGHS

- And, like, what would it respond
back with?

"You're about to break up a marriage,
Mom."

- You have to really hope your parent
wasn't, like, a closet racist

or anything, or a person of their
time.

- THEY LAUGH
- So, that's a big conversation

for us, right? So, we actually made
the decision that if somebody's

a shitty person, to let them keep
being a shitty person.

Like, it's not our business to go in
and, like, value-judge

how somebody is. Like, we just take
the data.

We have to be agnostic about it, like,
"That's who the person is."

Whatever data set we have, we don't do
anything to it.

So, like, we literally just, like, let
the algorithm go through it

and start, like, doing its thing.

And once it's done its thing, that's
what it is, right?

- To say, "Well, it's not my
responsibility, because

"I'm not influencing anything, it's
just the model,

"it's just the algorithm," that is
very problematic, because,

for example, you know, what happens
when our digital selves show up

with all kinds of harmful behaviours,
right?

SIREN WAILS

- When I met my wife, she became the
person closest to me in my life,

and she was the biggest proponent of
YOV.

She really believed that the company
could be

something special and transformative.

And about a month before she left me,
she approached me

and said, "I think you should sell the
company

"for whatever of our money you can get
back,

"and let's move on with our lives
together."

Choosing between her and the company

was probably the most impossible
decision I've had to make.

But in my heart, I didn't feel like I
was done with YOV.

I made the decision, ultimately, to
sell my house, settle my divorce...

..and funnel that money all into the
company.

Our technology works by analysing and
aggregating existing

communications between loved ones.

We believe that relationships

build the core foundations of

communication, and thus we focus on
connectivity as opposed to

just gathering historic data.

- Hi. Wondering, who is actually

owning the data of the deceased
person?

- The user still owns the data. We use
it to train the model.

And actually, we get rid of data as it
comes in once it's been

integrated in terms of the dynamics.
- Who owns it?

- The user still owns the data. So
they can delete at any time,

to get rid of it.
- When they're alive.
- Yes.

And the owner of the data afterwards
becomes the person

the persona was built for. So, for
instance, we built my mother's

for me. Now that she's passed, I own
that data.

- I have very little faith

in tech companies kind of keeping
their promises.

I just have no control over where I
might end up.

Like, imagine all of the different
people who could have a claim

to continuing my virtual self,

my brain, the way I think, the way I
interpret things.

To trust a company to manage that in
perpetuity

feels just impossible to me.

- We're an AI company that focuses on

mapping and building virtual
personalities.

We ran four marketing campaigns with
conversation rates of up to 53%,

100 beta test users and 10,000 people
on our wait list.

It could be worth billions, it could
be worth a couple of thousand.

Who knows?

I'm fortunate and blessed and excited

to be a part of building what that
future will look like.

If there's one thing we've learned,

it's to not go to sleep on what
technology's capable of.

- I can make a copy of you.
- A copy of mine?

- And that can talk to your kids
forever.
- Yeah?

- For maybe a decade, this was
primarily a startup phenomenon,

companies that sort of came and went.

In the recent years, we've seen Amazon
filing a patent, we've seen

Microsoft filing a patent on digital
afterlife-related services using AI.

I've been quite shocked by how fast it
has gotten to a point

where it's now a product that you can
sell to a broader market.

If this industry is beginning to be
lucrative, we're definitely

going to see some tech giants
presenting similar services.

- Yeah, Soul Machines started off with
a small number of people.

We grew from 11, 12 people to over 180
staff.

We've raised over $100 million in
investment to date.

We've got some of the world's top
technology investors

involved in the company, so for
example investors like

Spotify, Zoom and DeepMind.

In the very early days of virtual
reality, I was thinking,

"OK, well, we want to make a virtual,
interactive person."

And I just so happened to have a
newborn at the time.

OK. OK.

- CAMERA CLICKS

- So I started building, basically, a
virtual baby model, Baby X.

How are you now?
- Let's try peek-a-boo.

- Yeah, OK. Peek-a...

..boo!

- BABY LAUGHS

TO BABY:
- We made a building!

- VOICEOVER:
- Memories, events that happen, get
associated with

Baby X's emotional state.

So this is where Baby X forms a neural
network connection

between an emotional state and an
event or a thing or a person,

and those form an emotional flavour to
the memories.

When Baby X gets scared of something,
her digital stress system

gets set off, and this actually
releases virtual cortisol,

so you will actually see Baby X sort
of breathing faster or panting.

This is not a real chemical, but the
effects that it has are multifold.

- BABY CRIES

- What's the matter, baby?

- Are you getting angry?
- BABY LAUGHS

Did I surprise you?

The model has to create its own
desires and motivations and

actions, and it has to make plans -
what it wants to do - and has to

have goals and all these factors, so,
really, the only way

to do that is actually to give it a
nervous system, a digital

nervous system, and create a digital
brain which drives it.

I definitely think some aspects of
consciousness

can be achieved digitally.

- Any such terms, that machines
"learn" or that they can "see"

or "understand" or "interpret", these
are human concepts

that we apply to the machine to
understand what the machine

is doing, to talk about it.

The machine doesn't feel, it doesn't
experience anything,

it doesn't understand anything. For
that, a biological body is required.

We don't really know how brains work.

We don't know how consciousness is
produced, which is a very

important step if you want to
replicate it with a machine.

- There's still lots of debate on
this.

A lot of neuroscientists think
consciousness is a process,

not a physical thing, it's not some
magical aspect

of a particular biological material
that creates that.

We are able to build machines which
can process so much

that we can start simulating
biological phenomena,

which is the key to making something
lifelike.

If you love somebody, you've
presumably had all kinds

of experiences with that person.

You've had food with them, you've
laughed with them,

you've done all these things, you've
been to all these places.

Your memories of that person are so
rich.

And the depth of your love

will have to do with the depth of
those memories.

In the metaverse, an immersive 3D
world, we will be interacting

with other people or avatars which may
be autonomous

and whose memories are actually
created

through interaction with the world.

If you spend enough time with the
virtual being and you've

formed enough of a relationship, it's
a thing that becomes valuable.

The longer and richer and deeper that
relationship is over time,

the more that you care about it.

- All of this, all of this is
happening in a capitalist society

where capitalism is trying to say,
"We're not only making a new market,

"we're making new humans."

We can make money from making new
humans.

And so the question is,

will human beings say, "Wait, wait,
no."

There really is no other path for
human beings.

We are being offered something that is
thin gruel

and that diminishes us.

Artificial intelligence promises us
what religion does.

You don't have to die, you can be

somehow reborn someplace else in a
different form,

and there's meaning, meaning in
technology,

that people no longer feel in their
religious beliefs

or in their relationships with other
people.

Death somehow will become, you'll
either upload yourself,

or in the meantime you'll download
other people who already died.

So it offers a lot that religion once
offered.

Or still offers, but people are not as
drawn to it.

So I think it is...has become a kind
of modern form of transcendence.

- I am alive in a time where we can
virtually capture

the elements that matter most, which
is a relationship.

I want to be part of pushing human
society to the place of, like,

well, just because your body isn't
here any more

doesn't mean you're gone.

100 years ago, when your heart
stopped,

that was universally agreed upon that
you were just dead.

And then medicine came in and said,

"Hey, if you pump on somebody's chest,

"and blow air into their lungs, you
can keep them alive."

Fucking everything we think we know
changes every 20, 30 years.

Our heads are literally in the sand
about this looming fate

that everybody in the world has to
deal with.

Fuck death and the hyperbole about,

oh, it's nature and you have to deal
with it.

It's clearly not a natural thing that
everybody wants to happen.

It is a current reality, and I believe
we can change that reality.

- TEARFUL SPEECH, CHILD TALKING

- When I first heard about this case
in Korea,

I looked with horror upon the advent
of this kind of technology.

It's able to hijack the things that we
love the most.

I don't know any driving force that is
more important to me

than the force to protect or be with
my children.

I would give up my life to have that
last moment.

Let's say the child is like, "Mom, you
can't cancel this service.

"I'll die... It's going to be like me
dying once again."

That product is both a product

and the perfect salesman for that
product.

Because it's almost taking your memory
of the loved one hostage

and then making it sort of sell that
service back to you,

putting a moral obligation on
continuing to chat with the service

or continuing to visit their online
memorial

or whatever it is.

- Very quickly, we won't see this as
creepy.

Very quickly, we may see this as
comfort.

But really what is it that we're doing
to ourselves

when we accept this comfort?

I want to sort of respect the human
creativity and imagination

to create new rituals of remembrance,

new rituals of loss around the
artistry of the virtual.

But we have to keep it in check.

It's how to lose them better.

Not how to pretend they're still here.

- It's odd because I almost have a
change of heart now.

It's like, well, maybe I will check in
with you,

here and there, cos I feel like...

..I would, I would like to know it
turns out really, really well.

That he adjusted. That he's OK.

But I think that kind of brings to
mind, like, we don't know

what happens after we die.

We want things to be perfect, better,

and we don't even know if that's the
truth, because we don't know

about the other side, so it's
just...what you think.

And in this case, the words that a
computer tells you

that can heal the place...

And it can heal a place.