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[Larissa] One night my boyfriend was staying at my house,

Scott kicked down the door.

Hogtied my boyfriend.

And assaulted me.

[Jonny] The boyfriend is asking Larissa,

is he Mafia or something?

And Larissa said, "No, he's worse.

He's my ex."

[Larissa] I thought what's gonna happen now?

Is he gonna try to finish the job?

Welcome to Very Scary People.

I'm Donnie Wahlberg.

In the 1990s, one of the most devious

serial killers in American history,

began terrorizing young women in the Pacific Northwest.

Scott Lee Kimball,

drew his victims in with charisma and affection.

Once they let their guard down, he would strike

It wasn't just his victims that fell for Kimball's lies and manipulation.

He was even able to fool the FBI

who considered him a valuable informant,

earning Kimball the nickname

the Real Hannibal.

I just remember that night,

It's getting pretty late.

Dad came in and asked me to go outside and play.

We go out there and there's a cattle grate

that's leaning up against one of the trucks.

My dad tells me to look in that direction.

And he wanted me to dig this hole.

He told me to keep my head up high.

Pushed me to the ground.

I felt the grate hit my head.

And I was just screaming the entire time.

And then I remember just seeing a bunch of, like,

bright lights flashing.

It felt like there was a big like, ringing sounds.

My dad put me in the front seat of his jeep.

Just drive me to the hospital.

The next thing I know, the car door is open.

And he pushed me out of the car.

And I'm out of the car door.

And I'm yelling at the top of my lungs.

I'm trying to slow the car down,

but the car wasn't slowing down.

If anything, it was speeding up.

And then I started feeling

the bottom of the ground

started grazing like, my back.

And at that point, I like, told myself that

this is how I die.

[Rachel] Scott Kimball is probably

one of the most complex

serial killers I have ever come across.

Starting with his childhood.

[John] Scott Kimball grew up in Lafayette, Colorado,

which is about 20 miles northwest of Denver.

It's fairly close to the foothills

and the start of the Rocky Mountains.

He had a younger brother, Brett.

Had a mom and dad.

Virgil and Barb.

Scott became quite an outdoorsman

and he got into hunting, fishing,

But at age 10, Scott Kimball's parents' divorce

his mother eventually moves in with another woman.

[Jonny] Barb found a life partner,

and Scott resented Barb for that.

He blamed Barb for the divorce.

[Rachel] His father moves out of state to Montana,

so family falls apart.

Everything he thought was true and was real

all disappeared.

[dog barking]

[John] Scott went to live with his grandmother

in a trailer park in Lafayette.

[Rachel] And then a friendly neighborhood father figure.

Named Ted Peyton comes in the picture,

takes pity on him.

Scott was overjoyed because he thinks

somebody cares.

Ted Peyton starts with giving Scott a lot of attention,

so he would take Scott to a cabin.

[camera whirring]

He ended up sexually abusing him for years.

[Rachel] Ted Peyton tied him up, took photos

and he said that, "If you tell anyone

I'm gonna kill your father."

So he sees this man playing the savior

like I'm going to come in and be the man

that your father isn't.

But then there's the thief,

which is, "I'm going to take your innocence."

But then, on top of that, he's also saying,

"And I'm going to kill someone.

If you tell anyone."

So later on this complex

that's getting imprinted.

The savior, the thief and the killer.

We see this play out

over and over again.

[John] In 1981, Scott moved from Lafayette, Colorado to Montana,

to live with his father.

And he went to high school there.

But he dropped out in his senior year,

[Jonny] He starts getting arrested up there in Montana

for check fraud, forgeries.

Around 17, 18 years old,

he gets kicked out of the house.

[narrator] For the next several years,

Scott drifts from job to job

and girlfriend to girlfriend.

until he meets one of the most

important women in his life.

I first met Scott

through my sister,

and we were introduced.

And my first impression was

yeah, he's pretty cute. [chuckles]

Yeah, he had that the little cowboy looked to him.

He had a beautiful smile.

He just was very

very captivating, I thought.

He told me he worked for the Forest Service,

which I thought was very admirable.

He asked me out quite a bit,

which was um, fabulous.

Probably moved a lot quicker than I probably should have.

[chuckles]

But again, he was just-

He was just so captivating

and so I just went along with everything.

[producer speaking]

Hmm.

He said he'd gotten into some trouble

as a young boy.

But it was nothing big.

So I didn't think much of that.

[Rachel] Women have been taught

to believe in the happily ever after.

That Prince Charming is right around the corner.

Yeah, a little red flag here, A little red flag there.

They're denying it because they're so desperate

to hold onto that version of the fantasy.

So after dating Scott for about six months,

Um, he just all of a sudden stopped calling me.

Stopped coming by.

Stopped any kind of communication.

And I found out that he was seeing somebody else.

That kind of destroyed me.

[producer speaking]

I did, I loved him. Yeah.

I didn't hear from him.

For a long time.

But in western Montana, small town

news travels very quickly.

Scott was 23-years-old at the time.

He was wanting to marry a girl,

and she was saying no.

He was getting drunk and getting angry.

And more drunk and more angry,

grabs a rifle

and he points the gun up towards his head at first.

[gun cocking]

And then points it right here last second.

[gunshots]

He survived it,

but because of the concussion of the round,

it took off the front part of his forehead.

And they had to stitch it back up.

[Rachel] So it damaged his frontal lobe.

And we know that with serial killers

that the prefrontal cortex is an area

that often doesn't light up the same way.

[Larissa] After that,

I remember hearing he got married.

I didn't hear from him again until

I was at a birthday party in the early 90s,

and there he was

I think my heart

leaped out of my chest.

I was very, very excited to see him.

I- Big hugs.

Sparks flew.

We did start an affair.

That- Pretty much that weekend.

He told me that he was going to go back home

and tell his wife that he wanted a divorce.

And I was like, great.

[chuckles]

I don't recall how long it took,

but he got the divorce papers

and we got a place together in Spokane.

And it was Valentine's Day

and he had a big box of chocolates

and I opened up the box

and there was an engagement ring in there.

I was ecstatic.

This was what I wanted

from the very beginning, when we first met in 1988.

You know.

Then on June 26,

we had the big church wedding.

At that time, I was three months pregnant,

That's when the red flags started showing up.

I had gone home to visit my parents for the weekend,

and Scott calls me and he says,

"Your cat's been shot."

"What do you mean? He's been shot?"

"He's been shot."

And I hung up the phone

and my mom says, "He shot him.

He shot your cat."

And I was like, "No."

She says, "Yes. I'll bet you money"

I was very naive

when it came to Scott.

[in English]

You just don't see what others can see.

[piano music playing]

[crowd clapping]

[narrator] In the summer of 1993,

Scott Kimball marries 25-year-old Larissa.

And the newlyweds rent a home

in Spokane, Washington

I was about three months pregnant when we got married.

Justin was born in December.

And Scott was very hands on as a dad.

Changing diapers, feedings whenever he could.

And all the stuff that Dad's we're supposed to do.

Can you see, little brother?

You're gonna have to look out for him.

[Larissa speaking]

Then Cody was born.

And I thought, we have the perfect family.

Everything is going to be great.

Scott worked for a tree company,

and he was a great provider.

We paid our bills.

Uh, we had little, big vacations,

but we did little things.

Yeah, it was It was fine.

[Rachel] For the first while he's the breadwinner.

And so she feels like she's really got a solid savior type.

My dad was a fun person to be around as a kid.

I just always remember looking forward

to spending time with him.

[Rachel] But then, as you know, time goes on.

Things started to unravel.

And all of a sudden the thief shows up.

[engine whirring]

We were big into snowmobiling.

[engine revs]

In your land, you got a crank

or you're gonna hit some cars.

So Scott convinced several people from our church.

Hey, I can get you a heck of a deal on some snowmobiles.

I just need X amount of dollars.

He took their money.

And never delivered snowmobiles.

Process servers started showing up on our doorstep.

Frequently, serving us papers.

We were being sued.

Scott secured a job in eastern Montana.

A huge job.

[Scott speaking]

[Larissa] So much so that his brother had moved his wife

and young family

to this little small town in eastern Montana.

Scott had promised

to come home every 10 days.

He did that once.

[Larissa on video] There we go. What's this? Whoo!

And then never came back.

I don't recall how much longer it was

when my sister in law

told me that Scott was dating a woman.

And I'd actually moved in with her.

It hurt, obviously.

But in retrospect,

it was what I we needed to move on.

[whispers] Yeah.

[Jonny] Once she files for divorce,

Scott just unleashes hell on her.

So after the divorce,

I found out that if you were nice and agreed

and didn't rock the boat,

life was good.

That meant, acting like nothing ever happened.

I tried dating that didn't go well.

I met a wonderful man.

And we hit it off.

And I remember one night in particular,

my boyfriend was staying the night at my house.

Scott kicked down the front door,

raced upstairs,

and hogtied my boyfriend.

Took me downstairs and...

If I had said no

and pushed him away it would have been violent.

So I just let him.

The boyfriend is asking Larissa,

"Who is this guy?

How does he know we're here?

Is he Mafia or something?"

And Larissa said,

"No, he's not Mafia. He's worse. He's my ex."

[Rachel] He rapes her.

In order to almost claim her.

This is my family.

To most people, it looks crazy.

But to him it makes perfect sense.

Divorces for Scott Kimball, represented a time

when everything fell apart

because in 1976 not only were his parents divorced,

but he lost his family.

He's also getting sexually abused.

So when Scott gets divorced,

he suddenly becomes the rapist.

The saddest.

The very scary version of a person,

which he couldn't believe he exists.

It's like Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde

[Larissa] Needless to say, and I don't blame my boyfriend at the time,

he ended it.

Um...

Sorry.

[narrator] Larissa doesn't report the assault to police,

fearing Scott will hurt or even kill her.

And she never tells her kids.

By now, Scott is single again.

And he's moved into an apartment

just down the street

just so that they can spend time together.

[Larissa] So we went to a concert

and he's got a couple of shots of tequila.

So, you know, we do our shots of tequila.

I don't remember anything else.

Until, at some point,

I remember being slung over his shoulder

and him walking up the steps.

And then I remember being at our vehicle.

And then he shoved me down onto the ground

and assaulted me.

And then the next thing I know,

Scott's there and he's saying, "Hey, what's up?

What- What's going on? Why are you on the ground?"

And I was like,

"Why did you do that?"

[Rachel] Scott Kimball is constantly tormenting her,

and there's something about this that makes him feel

very much in control

and that he- he owns her.

[producer speaking]

Yes.

[producer speaking]

Hmm.

[Larissa] They questioned him.

But he's Scott.

He can convince anybody of anything.

And he convinced the police Department

that it was totally consensual

It was, he said, she said.

He would go to the police and say,

"My wife's about to report this,

and it's just because she wants custody of the children.

But I will take a polygraph up front

and I guarantee you she won't.

And if she will, she'll fail."

And she was too nervous.

I understand, she took a few.

They're inconclusive.

It doesn't mean she failed.

It just means, you're too nervous.

Scott's like this the whole time.

So he passes them.

And so once you file one or two reports,

the cops are going to think

you're either crazy or you're a liar.

Or like Scott said, you're trying to manipulate them.

He laughed at me.

And he was like, "You're so stupid."

He says, "They're never gonna believe you.

You can't even pass a polygraph."

One time he used a credit card to get in the door.

And was hiding in the attic,

waiting for her to come home.

He hog ties me, and he puts me in the back of the jeep

And tells me to lay down.

And I can tell at this point, we're four wheeling.

We're off road, in the mountains.

We get to a clearing.

And then he brings out a knife.

And then he assaults me again at knife point.

And at that point I knew I was dead.

[narrator] In 1999,

33-year-old Scott Kimball

kidnaps his ex-wife, Larissa.

He takes her into the mountains and rapes her.

[Larissa] We're heading back up north to Spokane.

I'm not shackled anymore.

Pulls into this truck stop.

He gets out.

I'm like, "See you later."

I jump in the s- the driver's seat.

And I'm heading home.

[Jonny] That's the one time

Scott finally got kidnapping charges filed against him

because he had hid in her attic

but left behind

It's almost like a rat's nest up top in the attic.

Where they found his fingerprints on the coke can

and whatever else was up there.

So he finally left some evidence.

The police tried to arrest him,

but Scott runs.

He steals a truck,

takes on his brother's name, Brett.

And in August 2001,

He jumps on a fishing boat

and starts sailing out into the ocean,

coming way up on those Aleutian Islands in Alaska.

When he lands up there on a Dutch harbor.

There's a bar called the Unisea Inn there.

Scott befriends the bartender,

and this is where the best term

that I have for Scott's manipulative abilities is

Pixie dust.

It's almost like he can just

sprinkle something in your eyes

and you think he's the best thing on the planet.

So the bar owner's name is Katherine.

He sprinkles his pixie dust on her

and next thing you know, they're engaged.

But the whole time he'd been writing bad checks

payable to himself

from the crew that employed him,

and it's thousands of dollars of bad checks.

And so then, he gets arrested for check fraud.

[narrator] Realizing that they have Scott

and not his brother Brett in custody.

The police throw him into an Anchorage jail,

where he awaits trial.

While in jail

he takes his manipulation to the next level.

And rats out his fellow inmates.

The information that he had was about his cellmate,

a guy named Arnold Wesley Flowers.

His girlfriend worked at a bank

and Flowers had gotten information

from the bank that allowed him

to make counterfeit checks

in people's names, with their real account numbers and everything.

Flowers and his girlfriend wanted to kill the witness

in the case against them,

and he had told Kimball this.

And so Scott set up a number of phone calls

between the hitman and Flowers, who was in jail.

So we recorded those calls.

And ultimately his girlfriend

met with the hitman

and the hitman being an undercover ATF agent.

And it was very clear that the intent

is to kill the witness.

The case is coming together quite well.

But Scott started saying

that he was worried about his safety

and he needed to be moved to a different jail.

Which is ultimately why he got moved to Colorado.

[narrator] The feds take over Scott's check fraud charges

from the state of Alaska.

And he meets with FBI eye liaison Carle Schlaff.

At the Denver jail.

He tells Schlaff, he has information about his new cellmate,

an accused drug dealer named Steve Ennis.

Scott claimed that he knew about a witness

that Steve wanted killed.

[Katharina] So Scott is telling law enforcement.

"Hey, I'm going to help you stop a murder for hire plot."

He had already worked

on a very important case out of Alaska.

So, Agent Schlaff thought this was a good, known,

reliable informant.

[John] And he was able to convince the FBI.

to let him out,

to keep an eye on Steve Ennis's girlfriend, Jennifer Marcum.

who Scott claimed

was going to be the point person

to try to get somebody whacked.

He decides he's going to help the FBI.

"I'm going to be an informant.

I'm going to help you save lives."

I'm going to be a savior.

But then, in becoming the FBI informant,

he goes on to become a killer.

Scott gets out of prison in December of 2002,

and he's now an FBI informant. Paid.

And he ends up contacting Jennifer Marcum

Jennifer Marcum was a stripper at a local place

and close to downtown Denver.

[John] She expressed some distaste for some

of her boyfriend's associates,

but never unveiled a plan to have anybody killed

or was going to play any role in that.

My personal belief is he had a real

attraction for Jennifer.

Jennifer was a beautiful young woman,

and I think he liked having that connection to her.

He liked being around her.

He developed that relationship and was promising her.

Hey, I can get you out of stripping.

I can set you up in this legitimate coffee business.

Let's work together.

Jennifer disappeared on February 17.

She was supposed to go to a coffee shop up north.

What the FBI I found was that her phone

and his phone shut off

simultaneously on February 17.

She was never seen again.

When Jennifer Marcum disappears in February 2003,

No one draws the connection to Scott Kimball.

He's concocted a ruse so grand

that it leads the FBI to believe he's still keeping tabs on her.

What no one realizes is that while Scott was in prison,

he targeted a second victim,

the girlfriend of another inmate.

[Jonny] When they walked the yard,

Kimball knew that Steve Holley had a life sentence

and he said, "I can help you escape

While in custody with Scott Kimball.

Steven Holley eventually introduces his girlfriend,

LeAnn Emry, to Scott .

Scott Kimball was getting out of custody,

and he wanted the two of them to connect.

[John] Steve told LeAnn

that this guy would help her with this escape plan.

[narrator] As the two plot Scott tells Steve

to use a nickname when referring to him.

Scott wants to be called Hannibal

after the serial killer from the movie

Silence of the Lambs.

LeAnn learns his name is Hannibal.

She didn't- Never really gets the true identity.

And so in the time that she was in contact

with Scott Kimball,

she only knew him as Hannibal.

[Rachel] Hannibal Lecter as a character

was a very smart person, as Scott Lee Kimball was.

Who outsmarted the authorities.

And he was also an FBI informant.

People forget that. But Hannibal Lecter was FBI informant

[Jonny] When Scott gets out,

he tells his FBI agent here.

There's a guy named Holley that wants to escape from prison,

and I need to let you know

this because he's one dangerous SOB.

So Holley gets thrown in lockdown.

While Holley's in lockdown,

which means he's got no access

to phones or whatever

Scott was talking to LeAnn 17 times a day,

[Katharina] Scott develops this relationship with LeAnn Emry.

and in fact for several weeks.

They are kind of traversing

different states around this are.

[Jonny] She actually buys a handgun for Scott up in Washington,

and then they come all the way back down here to Denver.

She's telling her parents that she's gone

caving in Mexico the whole time.

LeAnn Emry did contact a family member by email

and gave sort of this cryptic account

of being with a guy named Hannibal.

[Rachel] She writes an email talking about

how he's a blessing in her life.

But, by the way, if

he knew I was emailing you, he'd kill me.

When the savior shows up,

it's almost like it's inevitable

that the thief and the killer are not far behind.

[Katharina] What we last know about

LeAnn Emry is she had been in the Grand Junction area,

about 45 minutes to the border of Utah.

And she's checked out of her hotel.

[John] Scott Kimball,

his cell phone

goes dead. Turned off.

He obviously knows phone activity

can be used to

implicate somebody in a crime.

[Katharina] When you traverse over those state lines

from Colorado to Utah,

it's vast,

it's isolated,

there's nothing out there.

But a state trooper for Utah

spotted her vehicle.

So they did begin to investigate that car.

They did locate and figure out that that car was LeAnn Emry's.

But that's the last that is known of LeAnn Emry.

[Donnie] The FBI has no idea

that the man they released from prison

to stop an alleged murder-for-hire plot,

and whom they believe

is still keeping tabs on Jennifer Marcum,

is behind the disappearance of two women,

and he has his sights set on yet another victim.

[Lori] I first met Scott Kimball

in February of 2003.

I was playing cards at a casino

in Black Hawk, Colorado.

And he sat down

to play the same game.

Scott was telling me about his life.

He says he has two young sons.

That he worked for the FBI.

I had no reason to doubt anything he was telling me.

[Rachel] There was something in Lori

that he recognized. He could sense there was

a yearning for a savior.

And I think it's that part that he picks up on

and he's like, "Ah. And I can be that for you."

And so eventually I wound up

giving Scott Kimball my number.

[Jonny] And as she's handing him her number,

she asks him, "You're not a convicted felon, are you?"

Isn't that interesting? That she would ask him that

even though he said he's FBI.

Then he goes, "No, I just told you I'm FBI."

He called me the next night and we made arrangements for

a date on the 14th.

The only reason I remember that

is because that's Valentine's Day.

And he brought me flowers

and we went to drinks,

and he was very nice.

Scott took me to the FBI building

and he showed me around,

and then, introduced me to Carle,

telling me that was his boss.

And Carle didn't say anything different.

The only red flag

that I can think of with Scott

was his townhome.

The first time I went to his townhome,

I could tell it had been

decorated by a woman.

And I just asked him straight out,

"Is there a woman that's gonna come

and beat me up or something?

Are you dating anyone else?"

And he said, "Oh, no."

He made excuses for the artwork

and things on the walls.

That this townhome had been his friend Jennifer's,

and that she took off

and he had

a signed note that said

he could use her townhome

and her furniture,

and he's essentially leasing it.

So that felt weird to me.

[Donnie] Two women in Scott Kimball's life,

LeAnn Emry and Jennifer Marcum,

vanish within a month of each other.

When Jennifer goes missing,

Scott moves her furniture

into his home the following week.

And now, he has a new girlfriend,

Lori McLeod.

And she has no idea

what kind of monster she's let into her life.

[Lori] Scott and I moved in together

shortly after we met,

and I introduced him to Kaysi.

Kaysi was my only child,

and she was a light in our family.

Lori had, at the time, a 19-year-old daughter named Kaysi.

Kaysi was

somewhat troubled

in terms of her teenage life.

Her parents were divorced,

and that was hard on her.

She had gotten into drugs.

So she was going through some

more-than-typical teenage angst and problems.

[Lori] She was an artist.

She loved to draw and color.

She would make jewelry,

and she was very talented.

[Donnie] Scott's relationship with Lori McLeod

begins a few weeks after LeAnn Emry goes missing.

And a few weeks after that,

the FBI comes calling.

Kimball's handler, Carle Schlaff,

wants to know what's happening with Jennifer Marcum.

[John] Scott's first explanation

to Carle was that

she had gotten on a plane in February of 2003

and flown to New York City

to pull off a criminal act

on behalf of her boyfriend, Steve Ennis.

And her car was recovered at the airport about

37 days later,

impounded.

And that's when questions started to arise.

What happened to Jennifer Marcum?

[Donnie] As police investigate,

Scott is arrested again.

But the charge is not related to Jennifer's disappearance.

[Jonny] Scott got arrested for yet another

check fraud violation. He gets thrown in Denver City Jail.

[Katharina] He reaches out to Agent Schlaff.

He's claiming

Jennifer's actually dead.

That he's now seen pictures.

And says another individual, Jason Price,

who was also associates with Steve Ennis...

is actually responsible

for Jennifer's death.

"Get me out of jail and I'm gonna help you

find Jennifer's killer."

[John] Carle Schlaff wasn't gonna just let him walk willy-nilly.

He had him undergo a polygraph test.

That polygraph test happened

three days after Scott got arrested.

And it was,

"Do you know who killed Jennifer?"

"Yes, I do."

"Is the person's name Jason Price?"

"Yes, it is."

"Did he say he strangled Jennifer?"

"Yes, he did."

He passed.

[Katharina] So, Scott's let out of jail the next day.

We all thought, "What the heck is

Agent Schlaff doing?"

But Scott was able to manipulate

very educated, smart people

into doing things for him

that you would never think that they would do.

[Jonny] And so, he had the FBI chasing

Jason through strip clubs and whatever here in Denver,

trying to get him to say things on tape.

[Donnie] Scott, the savior,

sends the FBI down a rabbit hole

while the thief admits to Lori and Kaysi

that he'd been arrested

and spent a little time behind bars.

[Lori] Scott told me he had bounced a check in Montana,

and that they prosecute you

as if you're a murderer

in Montana if you bounce checks.

And he said because he was not a violent criminal,

that he could work for the FBI.

I didn't question anything after that.

[John] One day,

Scott brought Lori a vial...

filled with some

white powdery-type substance,

and said, "This is evidence that

Kaysi's still using drugs.

I mean, we thought she turned a corner, but she's not."

[Lori] I said, I'm taking her to the police.

I'm not gonna watch her kill herself.

Kaysi was saying, "Mom, they are lying.

They are lying. Please believe me."

She said, "Drug test me, I'm clean."

She said, "I don't know who they belong to."

And I didn't believe her.

A few minutes later, I said, "Where's Kaysi?"

And she had taken off.

[Jonny] Scott's like, "Wait, wait, wait.

Let me handle this."

So he calls Kaysi, who is with

her boyfriend and says,

"Lori's mad at you, you better not talk to her

or you'll get thrown in jail."

Then he tells Lori,

"Let me go find them, I'll handle it."

So he separates mom and daughter.

He puts them in a hotel

and he doesn't tell Lori

where they're at.

So he says, "You guys don't talk for a while."

[Rachel] Lori got the savior who

is gonna save the day by keeping everything safe.

But now the killer starts to kind of take over.

We were at home one night

and she called Scott's telephone.

And he says, "Kaysi wants to talk to you."

So...

he let me use his phone.

And Kaysi said,

"I'm sorry.

And I love you."

Uh, that was the last time I heard Kaysi's voice.

[Jonny] Scott, after two days of separating them,

goes to pick up Kaysi for work.

She worked at a local Subway.

Scott goes up

and tells Kaysi it's time to go to work.

She's dressed in her Subway uniform.

So her boyfriend kisses her goodbye,

puts a necklace on her,

their engagement necklace.

And that's the last anybody saw of Kaysi.

[John] Starting on August 23rd,

his cell phone goes dead.

Turned off.

And that was right at the time that

Kaysi McLeod disappeared.

A few days later,

he shows up, and I said,

"Where's Kaysi?" And he says, "I have no idea."

Her boyfriend is telling me

that Scott picked her up.

[Jonny] Scott turns to her boyfriend and says,

"Did you take Kaysi?"

And he says, "No."

Scott turns to Lori and says,

"If he took her,

I'll use the resources of the FBI

to help find her."

Three young women have vanished

in less than eight months.

And Scott Kimball is responsible.

He's manipulated everyone around him

to cover his tracks of violence.

No one has any idea

that Scott is one of the most savage

and cruel serial killers in American history.

But soon,

the whole world will find out the hideous truth

about the real life Hannibal.

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[Donnie] Eight days after Kaysi McLeod disappears...

36-year-old Scott Kimball

takes Kaysi's mother Lori

on a trip to Sin City.

We had planned a vacation

to Las Vegas,

and I told him I didn't want to go.

I wanted to wait

until Kaysi came home.

And he said, "She's a grown woman,

she will come home at her leisure."

I went to the police, and they said,

"She's 19.

It's none of your business where she is."

So he talked me into,

uh, going through with our plans to Las Vegas.

And while we were in Las Vegas,

it was a heavy push to get married.

He said, "You need me.

You can't find her without me.

I can trace her social security number

to see where she's working.

Uh, only with my help, you'll be able to find her."

And I was numb at that point.

[woman 1] Lori is in a very vulnerable position.

But she married him because he was

the thread that was connected

to her daughter.

[Lori] Had I been thinking clearly

even for a moment,

I should have thought, "Hey, wait a minute.

If this man cares about me,

I don't have to be married to him to

find my daughter."

But I was not thinking clearly.

[interviewer speaking]

[Lori] It was easier for me to believe

that her boyfriend

was hiding her.

There's no reason for Scott to want

to harm her. There was no

deep connection between the two of them.

[woman 2] Over the course of the next coming months,

he actually plants evidence

in the house

to say

Kaysi must have come by.

[man] Scott had put a necklace

on the doorknob of her daughter's bedroom.

And then claims to Lori, "Look.

There's that necklace. And she's still around."

[Lori] He was trying to

keep me hoping that she was around,

and just stopping by only

when my car was missing from the house.

It made me feel sick that she...

didn't want to connect with me.

[Donnie] With Kaysi gone,

Scott Kimball focuses on his own sons.

The court lets him see ten-year-old Justin

and eight-year-old Cody

every other weekend, because, on paper,

he looks like a good dad.

Even though he's written a few bad checks,

he's now working with the FBI.

And the warrant for kidnapping Larissa

has magically disappeared from his record.

[Justin] He definitely did have a different parenting approach,

So it was always

fun going over to our dad's house to do

things that we weren't allowed to do at our mother's house.

Go outside and play whenever we wanted.

There was no real, like, curfews or times.

Didn't have to do chores or anything like that.

I just remember that night.

It was like around maybe eight, nine o'clock.

Me and my brother, we were in our room.

Our dad came in and asked us

if we wanted to go outside and play.

So we go out there

and there's a cattle grate

that's leaning up against one of the trucks.

I thought that was a bit odd because it was usually

laying down, next to the truck.

And then he sends my brother inside.

He has me go to a spot

right by the truck.

And he tells me to look in that direction.

He told me to keep my head up high,

and he wanted me to dig this hole.

The last thing I remember is

just how nice of a night it was.

How calm it was.

I felt the impact of the grate hit my head.

And then

I remember I was seeing a bunch of, like,

bright lights flashing.

Felt like there was a big, like, ringing sound.

I'm not even exactly sure what was...

what was happening.

And then, as I'm on the ground,

I can't move or get up,

and my first thought was that I'm paralyzed.

[Rachel] Justin represents Scott Kimball

in his own family system.

Justin turns ten years old,

which is the same year

that Scott Kimball's parents get divorced

and that he gets targeted

by Ted Peyton.

That's when his whole life ended.

By killing his son at ten years old,

he's also in his own

unconscious mind, thinking,

"I'm about to save you, son,

from a whole world of pain."

[Lori] So I'm on with 911, and I said,

"My stepson's been hurt.

We need an ambulance."

[Justin] My father lays me down in front of the house.

And at that point, I'm in, like, a state of shock.

I'm not exactly sure still what's going on.

Uh, my brother comes out,

and then I saw the look in his face.

It was just, like, a look of terror, just...

Like, I don't think I've ever seen

anyone that scared before.

While I'm on with the 911 operator,

I see the Grand Cherokee leaving the driveway.

My dad put me in the front seat of his Jeep.

[tires screeching]

He's driving me to the hospital.

And at that point, I mean, I was

still not exactly sure what was

going on. I just know it's not good.

The next thing I know, the car door is open.

He pushed me out of the car.

And I'm out of the car door.

I'm trying to hold on to the car door and the seat.

And...

just trying to hold on.

And I'm yelling at the top of my lungs. I'm trying to tell him,

"Slow the car down."

But the car wasn't slowing down.

Not at all. Almost felt like, if anything, it was speeding up.

And then, I started

feeling the bottom of the ground,

it started grazing, like, my back, you know?

And at that point, I, like,

told myself that...

this is how I die.

So I just let go.

So I flop on the road.

And then, I remember,

I'm facing the direction the car's driving away.

There's no other car on the road.

And I'm just looking at this Jeep.

And it's going farther and farther away.

It gets to the point where I almost don't even

see it anymore.

And then I see the brake lights flash up.

And then the car turns around.

And then he drives the car back up.

On the road towards me.

[Donnie] Three women in Scott Kimball's life had vanished,

and now,

he's turned on someone even closer to him.

His own son.

Scott drops a 250-pound metal grate

on ten-year-old Justin,

then pushes him out of a moving car

and drives off.

He drives the car back up

on the road and stops it right where I'm at.

He picks me up and throws me in through the open window.

And I thought that was weird,

considering, like, I just

fell out of the car and I'm kind of bleeding everywhere.

And then, the next thing I remember,

I wake up in a hospital.

[monitors beeping]

[telephone ringing]

I remember going into the emergency room,

and his head was all bandaged up,

amongst other parts,

you know, he was just on this gurney wrapped up.

And there was a priest in there

reading him his last rites.

And I looked at him and I said,

"Get out.

My son is not gonna die."

Sorry.

[nurses speaking indistinctly]

[Lori] I hear nurses talking,

and they said,

Scott said Justin was trying to roll down the window

so he could get sick...

and he said he accidentally

opened the door

instead of rolling down the window.

And he fell out.

[Larissa] I was standing there and Scott comes over, and he says,

"Let's all pray together."

That was absolutely not in his character

to say something like that.

He was the last person I expected to hear that from.

And I said some words

that I probably shouldn't have said.

But I just...

I didn't...

I didn't want anything to do with him.

[monitors beeping]

[Larissa] Justin had a broken back, broken leg,

horrible road rash.

So he was in an induced coma

to reduce the swelling in his brain.

[Donnie] Justin's family,

including his grandmother,

Scott's mother Barb,

rushed to the hospital.

I do remember at one point during that night,

I was out talking with Scott's mother.

And she said, "Larissa,

I don't think this was an accident."

And then I said, "What do you mean?" She says...

"A couple of weeks ago,

Scott asked me who the beneficiary was

on Justin's life insurance policy."

And she says, "I told him it was him."

She says, "So, I don't think this was an accident."

[Donnie] Barb knows firsthand

about the status of Scott and Larissa's

insurance policies

because she's their insurance agent.

[interviewer speaking]

Sheer panic.

Is he gonna try to finish the job?

He can't be alone with Justin.

I have to get back in there.

I have to get back into the room.

[Rachel] Here we see Scott Kimball

with the simultaneous

savior-thief-killer element to his personality.

Because he's

driving his son to the hospital

as the savior.

"I'm gonna save your life by taking you myself to the hospital."

He's shoving him out the door

because he wants to kill his son.

And so there's the killer aspect.

And then, the thief

is the man that's gonna collect the insurance money

after his son dies.

[Larissa] After two weeks,

they brought him out of the coma.

He woke up.

And he looked at me and he says,

"Mom, why did Dad do this to me?"

And I thought, "Holy cow."

As soon as I woke up,

I felt like I really

had to just...

just tell somebody.

Because I felt like that information

might have, would have died with me.

So I picked up the phone and I called the police.

I was like,

"He's talking.

Get here now."

Justin said, "I can still smell

the sweat on my dad's hand today

when he got his hand

and pushed me out of the jeep."

[John] When his son finally was able to speak,

doctors told investigators they thought

that the injury had been so severe

that the memories of his son

were jumbled and probably

not necessarily reliable

as testimony in a criminal case.

[Justin] The brain surgeon told everybody that

the extensivity of my injury,

there would be no way that I'd be able to

recall or remember anything

that happened before or during the event.

So everything that I said was...

no good at that point.

[interviewer speaking]

Mm-hmm. But, yeah, I know the truth.

[Katharina] In that summer,

Scott Kimball successfully

passed a lie detector test

about the "accident" that had happened to Justin.

So the case had gone inactive by

the summer time of 2005.

[interviewer speaking]

No.

I did not get full custody after Justin's accident.

I tried.

But I still had to send my boys,

especially Justin,

because I thought he's gonna finish the job.

I always felt like in this situation, he took his shot and he missed.

And he's not gonna take that chance ever again

because he's got

way too many eyes on him now.

[Donnie] While Justin is still in the hospital,

Scott's uncle, Terry Kimball,

comes to stay with Scott and Lori.

Planning to help the family while Justin recuperates.

With Uncle Terry, he came to town with

two dogs, a truck, a trailer,

and a briefcase that had about

$15,000 cash in it.

I think divorce proceedings were already

started for him.

So he was looking for a new life, a new beginning.

And he was

used to just drifting.

[John] He stayed with Lori and Scott at their house.

Until one day in, um,

late summer of 2004

when Lori

noticed that Terry Kimball was gone.

[Lori] I came home one day

and my white leather sofa was

out by the pool.

And it had vomit on it.

And, um,

Scott said that

one of the dogs

had gotten sick on my couch.

And I said, "That's not dog vomit.

That's human vomit."

He says, "It's Terry,

but it doesn't matter.

He's not coming back. He's embarrassed."

And Terry got a girlfriend.

And he took off for Mexico.

He had won a lottery of some sort.

And that he wouldn't be coming back.

Uh, not even thinking for a second

that he was permanently gone.

[Rachel] You'll hear serial killers

talk about how, like, they feel like an entity

takes over.

"I don't know why I do this. I just feel like

suddenly I'm possessed and I have to do this."

So in a similar way, with Scott,

when he's playing the savior, the thief, and the killer,

he feels alive. He's brought to life by that.

But it's parts of him that he's suppressed,

but he's now processing.

[John] Nothing was ever uncovered that Terry had actually

played the lottery or had moved to Mexico with anybody.

But after Terry disappeared,

Scott used

his checking account, his credit cards,

for his own benefit.

So here we see Scott Kimball

with the simultaneous

thief and the killer once again.

It seems that getting close to Scott Kimball

is a very dangerous thing to do.

His Uncle Terry is the fourth person

who's crossed paths with Kimball

and then vanished into thin air.

But his killing spree can't last forever.

Especially when the people closest to him

finally see through his lies

once and for all.

[Donnie] By 2005,

Scott Kimball has been a part-time informant

for the FBI for two years,

now supposedly trying to find Jennifer Marcum.

Jennifer's family has also been

frantically searching for her since she disappeared.

And they recently learned

that FBI agent Carle Schlaff

might know something about the case.

[Katharina] Jennifer Marcum's mom and dad

are trying to reach out to Agent Schlaff

because Jennifer's missing since February of 2003.

[John] When Bob Marcum told him that his daughter

had been missing for quite some time,

Carle Schlaff conceded that he knew

somebody who knew something,

but he wasn't willing to give up Scott Kimball's name.

But after a lot of insistence from Bob Marcum

that he give him more information

about what he knew about the disappearance

of Jennifer Marcum, his daughter,

finally, Carle Schlaff gave him a cell phone number.

And said, "Call this number, the guy who will answer is called Joe Scott.

He'll have some information for you."

I find this so crazy weird...

that here's Scott Kimball

who was given an FBI assumed name.

That's how the Marcums first know him.

[John] Bob did call that number.

Scott Kimball was at the end of the line.

And said, "Why don't we meet?

And I can tell you what I know."

Both Bob Marcum

and his ex-wife, Mary Willis,

met with Scott Kimball

in a restaurant.

Told them he knew that their daughter was dead.

And that he could take them to her remains.

The next day, he set up a meeting with Mary Willis

at a public park,

and that's when things started to turn rather dark.

Another kind of one of the most odd things

I've ever seen in all of my career in prosecution.

Scott Kimball writes up this kind of waiver disclaimer form

that he presents to Mary Willis

that basically says she will allow Scott Kimball

to perform different kinds of sexual acts,

sexual abuse, bondage, strangulation,

and all kinds of things on her

as a methodology for him to explain to Mary Willis

what happened to her daughter, Jennifer Marcum.

And Mary is supposed to sign her name and say,

"If we do these things,

I promise that this is consensual,

and I won't report you to the police."

Scott was definitely into sexual practices

that most of us would find just a little bit outside the norm,

or maybe a lot bit outside the norm.

[Katharina] Mary Willis is actually so desperate at that time

that she was actually considering it.

Mary didn't tell Mr. Marcum at first

and then eventually says, "Hey, Bob, look at this."

And so, you know, it doesn't happen.

[John] Scott drove to Mary Willis' hotel room that night.

-[knocking at door] -Knocked on her door,

and she said, "Nope, I'm not answering the door."

Absolutely don't feel right about this.

Do not want to consent to that kind of activity.

As much as she wanted to find out what had happened to her daughter,

she was not gonna do that with this guy.

And he peeled out of the parking lot

of that hotel and took off into the night.

[Donnie] More certain than ever,

that Scott Kimball is involved in their daughter's disappearance,

the Marcums continue to press the FBI to investigate him.

By the summer of 2005,

his life of lies starts to unravel,

but not because of any work by law enforcement.

One morning I found out he was stealing from me

and stealing from his mother.

I'm putting an end to it. Today's the day.

So, I got in my car and I'm-

I'm gonna drive over and talk to Barb

and tell her to stop giving him anything.

He knows I'm heck-bent on getting over to his mother to talk to her.

When I showed up, he blocked me in the driveway

and he calls the police

and said that I had beat him up.

[siren wails]

When the police got there,

he showed a cut on his shin

from fixing barbed wire fence.

And I told this officer, "Look at his body.

He's got these all over his body. I didn't beat him up."

And then she said,

well, he said you threw the vacuum at him.

So, she handcuffed me and arrested me.

Wound up costing me about $10,000

to protect myself against that.

[Katharina] I think Scott had an innate ability

to find the weakness in people.

He was very charismatic, very charming,

and he just had a way with words with people.

And I think that was the spell

that people all around him fell under.

[Donnie] Scott moves from one victim to the next.

He doesn't care who he hurts as long as he gets what he wants.

Once he betrays his mother's trust

and bleeds Lori dry,

he turns on a trusted figure from his past.

[Katharina] Dr. Cleve Armstrong

had actually known Scott since Scott was a little boy.

Scott's mother, Barb Kimball,

also rented an office out of this same house

that had been converted into an office

with different companies inside.

Scott was looking into closets and storage areas

and he found the optometrist's check books.

And he came up with a scheme

to forge the doctor's signature on checks

and essentially start stealing

from the optometrist's bank account.

[Katharina] So, he had just opened himself an account

and had all of those checks getting deposited

into the fake account he had just set up.

[John] The bank informed the doctor there had been

some activity of rather large quantities of money,

$55,000, in fact,

and that's what got

Lafayette police detective, Gary Thatcher, onto the case.

He started reaching out to people who knew Scott Kimball.

[Katharina] Detective Thatcher started to learn a lot more

about the Scott Kimball that on paper looked like a nonviolent offender.

And then over the next couple of months,

we started to realize there were way too many weird coincidences.

about Scott Kimball and missing women around him.

Next stop for Gary Thatcher was Scott Kimball.

Unfortunately, Scott Kimball was no longer around.

He had caught wind of the investigation and had fled to California.

Police were able to find him as he was driving.

-That led to a police chase that went on for hours. -[siren wailing]

In many ways, you can look at his life like it's been this high-speed car chase.

It really is this escalation, and it's fast.

And it's just- It was gonna run out of gas.

Scott, finally, he came out, hands up,

and he turned himself in,

and the police arrested him.

Now, they had him behind bars

as they tried to figure out the bigger part of the story

involving missing people at the hands of Scott Kimball.

[Donnie] In January 2006,

Colorado prosecutors charged 39-year-old Scott Kimball

with writing bad checks.

By now, the authorities realize

that three people close to him have disappeared

and are presumed dead.

Terry Kimball, Jennifer Marcum and Kaysi McLeod.

So, the FBI begins to investigate.

[Jonny] I go up to interview Scott in the jail.

The first time I interviewed him was June of 2007.

The day that Kaysi disappeared,

what were you doing, and where were you?

I can't tell you for sure the day

that Kaysi disappeared, because I wasn't there.

But the only thing I know is what I've been told.

I was told Kaysi disappeared the day- On a day that I had left.

She went to work. That's what I was told.

She went to work at Subway.

A day that I went up to the mountains,

and I went to do some elk scouting,

do some scouting.

Do you remember where you went?

Yeah, I went up to the border pass.

I mean, he had an answer for everything.

For every question.

So, I spent six months researching Scott,

talking with his mom, his wives,

his child, Justin, you know,

other inmates like Jennifer's boyfriend, Steve Ennis.

He said, "Oh, yeah, another inmate lost his girlfriend to Scott."

I was like, "What?"

He said, "Yeah, another guy named Steve."

And Steve Holley was the boyfriend of LeAnn Emry.

We knew about Jennifer, Kaysi and Uncle Terry,

but LeAnn had never been mentioned.

[Donnie] Investigators have circumstantial evidence

linking Scott to the missing persons cases.

But then his wife Lori

gives them something more concrete.

She had kept two bags of trash from Scott's closet.

On the day Kaysi went missing.

Because she knew Scott had turned his phone off

and maybe there was something in the trash.

But she was waiting for somebody,

law enforcement, to ask for them one day.

So, she brings them out, we dump them on her table.

And I found a couple receipts for Walden, Colorado,

the day she had disappeared.

I'm like, that's National Forest Land.

So, I called the National Forest Service for Walden, Colorado.

I asked, have you guys recovered anyone up there,

because I'm looking for a girl.

She goes, "Yes, we did."

The FBI came to get my DNA.

I said, I can do one better.

I have Kaysi's DNA, I have all of her baby teeth.

I go up there to the sheriff's office.

They say they hadn't tested her for DNA.

I grab the skeletal remains.

Ship them to our lab.

It was Kaysi.

Jonny said that Kaysi's been found.

And it was-

It was numbing.

I, at that point, all hope is just gone.

[Katharina] I remember crying.

And just being so relieved,

but also so saddened in that same moment.

It was just-

It was devastating. [sighs]

[Jonny] We believe he took Kaysi up there.

Just killed her and left her up there on the side of a mountain.

Up to the point where Kaysi's remains had been found,

there were no bodies.

So, the discovery of Kaysi McLeod's remains

really started to spell the end

for Scott Kimball

and his tangled web of lies

and deceits that he had woven up to this point.

[Katharina] Everything started to change.

And we gained the momentum in our prosecution

to hold him accountable.

[Donnie] Prosecutors offer Kimball a deal.

If he confesses and leads investigators to his victims' remains,

they will take the death penalty off the table.

[Katharina] He's smart enough.

He's been around the criminal justice system all his life.

He knew that that was a big deal for us.

So, he pleads guilty straight up to the thefts

against Dr. Armstrong and the habitual criminal.

And the judge immediately sentences him to 48 years.

And that's when we say, okay, that was his good faith

to tell us that he's actually gonna legitimately lead us to those bodies.

We went back into the judge's chambers.

And there was a big group of us.

Scott Kimball's supposed to tell us

where are these bodies.

But the way he sat there,

just soaking in the limelight

of look at me and all of you around this table,

I'm the star, and you're just, like, hanging on my every word

to get this information that you've been so desperately seeking.

It was quite disgusting.

And I said, "We just made a deal with the devil."

[Donnie] In February 2009,

three years after he was arrested in California,

law enforcement officials take Scott Lee Kimball

deep into the Utah wilderness.

That's where he says he buried the bodies

of Jennifer Marcum,

LeAnn Emry and Terry Kimball.

You could see his glee...

in this production all around him.

And how he had control.

And he jerked us around for multiple trips.

And he loved every minute of it.

We're going back and forth between LeAnn and Jennifer.

And each one you go in, you explore.

And then he'd say, "No, we're in the wrong place."

I recall him tapping his foot at a particular spot.

And he said, "Merry Christmas. Dig here."

And we all dug and we dug and we dug.

I was out there digging with those agents and everybody else.

And we did not find Jennifer.

[Jonny] March 11th of 2009.

I remember it very well.

We pull up on a horseshoe canyon.

Scott says, we're gonna find LeAnn

wrapped in a rug on a rock shelf.

And he says, "If there's a waterfall here,

she's gonna be close to that."

We go to the end of the creek bed.

There's a wall of rocks that's about eight feet tall.

And he goes, "Okay, let's head the other way."

And so, he starts just walking back down the river.

I couldn't tell you exactly why I did what I did.

But, uh, I start walking up the side of the cliff.

And I just walk as straight as I can.

And that's when I find LeAnn's hair clip.

I could see her blonde and brown hair in the clip.

And I could see part of a bone.

And then it was underneath a rock slide.

So, they unearthed LeAnn.

They pulled back the big rock that had been hiding the rest of her.

And they scoop on down.

Her cranium was missing.

And where the cranium should have been was a spent bullet.

[interviewer speaking]

He said, uh, that's not her. Let's keep moving.

He wanted to get us as close as he could.

And then just walk us right back away.

[Katharina] It was clear by how we recovered her.

He had had her kneel, shot her in the back of the head.

And we actually found part of the bullet casing.

[Donnie] Despite finding LeAnn's remains,

investigators realized that Scott,

the master manipulator,

is leading them around the woods

for his own amusement.

They tell him if the next search doesn't turn up something,

their deal is off, and the death penalty will be back on the table.

He drew the most detailed map.

Like, it's crazy.

[Jonny] About five or seven miles

off the interstate down a dirt road,

you have to climb this hill.

And he drew a little X marks, the spot.

[Katharina] And then they found this remains in a tarp.

And we knew Uncle Terry had been wrapped in a tarp.

[Jonny] We took him to an anthropologist,

and she pieced together his skull.

It was in four different pieces,

and there was just a perfect hole

right in the back of the skull.

And then we went to the house where Lori had the couch.

And we'd peel back the carpet layer,

and sure enough, the carpet pad

and even the subfloor was just soaked with blood.

We tested the blood. It was Terry's.

So, what we pieced together is...

Terry was just sitting on the couch,

and Scott comes right up behind him

and just shoots him right in the back of the head.

The anthropologist found the bullet still lodged right below his left eye.

[Donnie] Investigators are now convinced

that Scott murdered Terry Kimball,

LeAnn Emry and Kaysi McLeod.

But there's still no sign of Jennifer Marcum.

[Jonny] You know, we've run cadaver dogs over it.

We've had ground-penetrating radar.

We had our whole evidence team digging up dirt.

We had a geologist.

We did everything we could to try to find her.

Eventually, we just- We had to walk away.

But we never brought resolution to Jennifer's family.

Scott Kimball comes clean about killing his Uncle Terry.

But when it comes to the women that Scott has killed...

no such luck.

I think it's because his Uncle Terry

was a means to an end for money.

But what he did to the women...

there may have been an element of shame.

He may have done some things

that he ultimately didn't want to reveal.

So, if something sexual is done to someone,

your status in prison goes from here to way down here.

Now, if you're a serial killer,

it goes up to here, because you're the man.

But so Scott's protecting that this whole time.

[Donnie] In 2009,

Scott Kimball pleads guilty

to the murders of LeAnn Emry,

Jennifer Marcum,

Kaysi McLeod and Terry Kimball.

[Katharina] Because Scott did not lead us to Jennifer Marcum's body.

The sentence that he had originally been promised

was null and void,

and a 70-year sentence was imposed.

[Jonny] He didn't have a release date

till, like, the year 2080 or so,

which he'd be 114 years old.

[Justin] He'll probably be there for the rest of his life.

And that's- That's good. That's okay.

That's exactly where he should be.

[interviewer speaking]

Because he could.

Because he wanted to.

Kaysi McLeod and Jennifer Marcum,

I always thought, was sexually motivated and attraction,

wanting to have them sexually and sexually abuse them.

I absolutely believe of him

as a sexual predator, sex offender.

With Uncle Terry, much like with Justin,

we thought that was always a financial motivation.

Scott's childhood winds up being a house of cards.

Because everything he thought was true and was real,

all disappeared, vanished, crumbled, abandoned.

So, he became the savior, the thief and the killer.

But there was a pragmatist with all of his kills.

There was always a reason why he killed.

So, it wasn't for the thrill of the kill.

With Justin and Uncle Terry, Scott needed money.

With Kaysi and LeAnn and Jennifer,

it was a pragmatic decision.

He had his fun, but then it was like,

okay, now I've got to kill them.

Because they know too much.

I know that he said after...

the accidental shooting in his forehead,

he said he lost his conscience.

He wanted to be a serial killer.

[John] But what I think is unique about the Scott Kimball story

is the level of deceit

and ability to fool people.

The fact that he was killing people

while on the FBI payroll, I think,

is something that stuns people to this day.

[Colton] Scott Kimball is still working for me

while committing these murders,

and I'm the one who brought him into the bureau, essentially.

So, I definitely had a sense of remorse

over what had come of that.

There's no doubt in my mind, I think,

that he's murdered other people.

[Jonny] After sentencing, I talked to Scott.

He goes, "If you don't Mirandize me,

then I'll tell you who all I killed."

And he tells us about 21 people

that he killed from 1985 to 2005.

He wouldn't give us their names,

but he would say male or female.

And he would say, I killed them by stabbing them.

I killed them by a bow and arrow.

I killed them by strangling. I killed them by gun.

And it was just detailed stuff.

And 21 different people

over a 20-year period, basically.

[interviewer speaking]

That's hard to say.

Scott Kimball's appetite for murder,

combined with his charm,

made him one of the most evil

and dangerous serial killers of all time.

Scott lied so often and so easily

that no one will ever know exactly how many people he killed.

He's now locked away forever in a Supermax facility in Colorado,

where he spends 23 hours a day in solitary confinement.

It's the only way they can keep

this real-life Hannibal from killing again.

I'm Donnie Wahlberg.

Thanks for watching.

Good night.

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