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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:04,295 Welcome to The Traitors: Uncloaked, I'm Ed Gamble. 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,895 But before we go any further, you know what I'm going to say - 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,495 spoiler alert. If you're not caught up on all the episodes 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,255 of The Traitors, get to iPlayer, watch them all now. 5 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,015 Coming up - novelist, broadcaster 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,015 and host of the How To Fail podcast, Elizabeth Day. 7 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,775 Comedian lvo Graham. 8 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,175 Faithful Alex, from series one. 9 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,695 And, following his banishment, last in, first out Traitor Ross 10 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,135 finally reunites with his mother and series icon Diane. 11 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:33,295 This program me contains some strong language 12 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,455 Elizabeth, Alex, lvo, another absolute barnstormer of a show. 13 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:38,375 So exciting. Shaking. Shaking. 14 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,615 Physically shaking. YOU were shaking? 15 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,775 My heart was out my chest! 16 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,735 lvo, how did you feel about that episode? 17 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,535 I know you're a Traitors super fan. 18 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,055 Yes, I am, Ed, we've played The Traitors together. Yes. 19 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,335 But it's never unravelled quite as well. 20 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,095 I would say there were moments in that episode that were 21 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,295 as exciting for me as when you cancelled your taxi 22 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,815 on New Year's Eve so you could stay and keep killing. 23 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,175 What a night, what a night that was! 24 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:06,935 Well, we know what happens on Uncloaked, 25 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:09,015 when we catch a Traitor, we play the siren. 26 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,935 SIREN 27 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:15,575 There it is. He only lasted one episode, poor old Ross, 28 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,495 but we've got plenty to talk about today. 29 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,295 We've got to talk about Harry's growing confidence. Yeah. 30 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:24,215 Some might say cockiness. Some might say cockiness. I'm worried for him. 31 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:25,815 I can't wait to dig into that later. 32 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,455 We should talk first where we left the episode, which is 33 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,015 Andrew and Harry deciding who to murder. 34 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,775 So, let's remind ourselves of that decision. 35 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,615 We need to obviously make a decision - 36 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,295 J62, 37 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:39,935 Mollie, 38 00:01:39,960 --> 00:01:41,375 or Zack. 39 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:47,415 Do you want to do it? 40 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,015 I'm happy, 100%. 41 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,375 This is the right move. 42 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:06,735 I feel good about this one. 43 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,695 Oh, he is loving that, isn't he? Well, they're usually confident. 44 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,055 A little too much. It's rare that you go, 45 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,175 "I think this might be a mistake but we've written it down now." 46 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,215 So, they're deciding between Zack, jaz and Mollie, 47 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,935 who do we think is the smartest move? 48 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,615 Probably jaz. 49 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:30,655 I think Mollie would be the silliest move 50 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,455 because she's protecting Harry like crazy. 51 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,215 Ancl for Wilf, for example, in series one, that was Hannah. 52 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,495 Hannah protected Wilf like crazy, so it's best to keep her 53 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,135 in for as long as possible. 54 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,695 So, I thinkjaz is definitely the smartest decision there. 55 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,895 Also, jaz seems to be the only one who has suspicions 56 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:48,655 about Harry at the moment. 57 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,415 Hmm. But he's kept them quiet, hasn't he? 58 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:55,855 I think, jaz, they could switch it so that focus turns on Jaz. 59 00:02:55,880 --> 00:03:00,455 Because he's clearly a very smart, strategic player, 60 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,775 and I would not find it hard to believe that he were a Traitor. 61 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:08,655 Partly because, what I find most suspicious aboutjaz, 62 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,935 is how clean he keeps his white clothes. 63 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,095 They're in the middle of muddy Scotland and he looks 64 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,695 so freshly pressed every single time I see him. 65 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,095 Ancl I just think that could be... 66 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:23,935 You could do an interesting pivot on that. 67 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,455 So, would you be suspecting that, in the Traitors' Turret, 68 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,375 they have access to a dry cleaner's? Well, this is the question. 69 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,055 I mean, probably, because they get 70 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,735 access to all the privileges, don't they? 71 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,455 We should talk about Harry because, like I say, 72 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,335 growing confidence - you, Elizabeth, say cockiness - 73 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,735 do we think he's going the way of Paul, potentially? 74 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,175 Because Paul, obviously, an amazing Traitor for a bit, then started 75 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,935 to get a bit of a swagger and maybe got away from himself. 76 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:51,935 Paul was swaggering before he'd even... 77 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,335 Like, episode one, before he was made a Traitor, 78 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,495 I think he threatened to kill Claudia Winkleman. 79 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,415 Which is quite a first for the show. 80 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,735 He did describe himself as cruel, which was a bit of a red flag. 81 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:02,815 "Cruel" and "Traitor" 82 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,055 were two of the words he used to describe himself. 83 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,855 Do we think he's maybe heading in the same direction, though? 84 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,655 Because he's very much the hero, a lot, at the moment. 85 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,215 So, the hero of Round Tables, the hero of missions, 86 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,175 people are really bigging him up. 87 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,535 I've really loved Harry from the beginning, 88 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,895 especially that bit where he talks aboutjonny and losing jonny 89 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,295 and voting forjonny around the Round Table, 90 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,335 and that bond that they had as members of the Army. 91 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,855 But still, you could see, again, the human emotion behind it. 92 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,255 He's got you right where he wants you, Elizabeth! Come on! 93 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:38,455 I know! I'm turned! 94 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,135 Can I ask a question? 95 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,655 So, that whole exchange between Andrew and Ross 96 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,655 where the word "elusive" was used...? Yes. 97 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,455 Well, I'm glad you bring that up because we've actually got a clip 98 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,255 to remind ourselves of that. OK, thank you. 99 00:04:52,280 --> 00:04:55,615 Ross, the only thing that weirded me out was that you said to me 100 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,335 in the kitchen that Andrew told you today that 101 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,295 I was moving hell a elusive and that. 102 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,015 Elusive? When have you ever heard me say the word elusive? 103 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,415 I literally heard it an hour ago. 104 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,335 Someone's clearly lying there, but what's going on? That's what I mean. 105 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,735 Elusive? I would never use the word elusive, ever. 106 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,415 When have you ever heard me speak, saying the word elusive? 107 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,615 There's many words I haven't heard you speak, 108 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,735 Andrew, but why would I say it? I don't know, that's why I'm asking. 109 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,935 Why would I say it? I don't know. To stir shit. 110 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:25,895 It's hard, lying, to be honest. 111 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,375 Barefaced, blatant lying, 112 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:28,895 especially when you know the 113 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:30,455 other person's telling the truth. 114 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,615 But I'm playing the game. 115 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,135 I loved it so much. So good. 116 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:36,375 Also because this, to me, 117 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,975 represents Andrew really coming into his own as a Traitor, as well. 118 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,895 I was blown away. Because day one of him being a Traitor, I think 119 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,055 we were all a little bit worried when he walked 120 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,015 into that breakfast, he looked blown away by the whole situation. 121 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,335 But now, I think he's nailing it. 122 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,855 To be able to just go, "When have you heard me use that word?" 123 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:54,415 Genius. Genius. 124 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,935 I would be slightly upset if that was me, though, going, 125 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:58,775 "I would never use a word like elusive." 126 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,615 And everyone goes, "Yeah, you wouldn't, actually." 127 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,455 "All I've heard you say is protein." 128 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,895 He lied so well that I was convinced that maybe he didn't 129 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,935 even say the word elusive, even though I'd heard him say it! Yeah! 130 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,535 Do we think this is going to come back and bite Andrew, though? 131 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,135 Do you think he's setting himself up for a bit of a fall here or 132 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,935 do you think he's done well? I think Harry might turn on him. 133 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,455 That's Harry's plan, isn't it? He literally says, "|'m going 134 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,175 "to throw these Traitors out in front of me." 135 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,415 That's why he wanted to recruit Ross, 136 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,135 that plan worked out well for him. 137 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,295 Ancl he's just kind of bringing Andrew along, 138 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,695 making Andrew nice and safe, "Come under my wing, I'll look after you, 139 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,975 "don't worry, we're Traitors, we'll win it together." 140 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,855 But really, all he wants to do is kick him out onto the Round Table 141 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,135 and get him banished. 142 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,935 Do we think Andrew believes that Harry has got his back, though? 143 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,415 Not any more, as in, I don't believe it any more. 144 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,415 Until this final episode, I thought 145 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,335 that Harry had all of the cards in his hand but actually now, 146 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,855 I understand that I've underestimated Andrew. 147 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,415 Ancl more fool me. Yes. 148 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,015 Let's talk about Harry's plan, 149 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:02,095 because we've not really got into the weeds with that yet. 150 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,095 The plan, obviously, to get the shield, to then recruit 151 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,935 and then pretend that, clearly, they tried to murder him 152 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:12,375 but he had the shield so they couldn't. It seems to have worked. 153 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,495 And it seems to have worked with everyone except jaz, really. 154 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,095 And it feels like it's going to have massive implications for 155 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:19,295 the rest of the game, this. 156 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,095 It was so clever. Yeah. 157 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,975 Ancl to be able to think at that level when you are squatting in 158 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:31,215 a rancid tunnel with flashing lights and rotten vegetables and toads. 159 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,775 Yeah. To be able to game play then is just extraordinary. 160 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,775 It was amazing. And I do think it will work for him, 161 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,815 he has plotted it out. 162 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,375 Ancl I wonder if part of that is that military training, 163 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,375 that you are taught so much about how to think several steps ahead, 164 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,895 because I think it's going to work. Yeah. 165 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,575 It does amaze me thatjaz is the only one who's clocked on 166 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,415 to the idea that, just because Harry had the shield, 167 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,655 doesn't mean that he couldn't be the Traitor. 168 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,095 I think it's actually a little disheartening that 169 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,655 the other Faithfuls haven't considered that yet. 170 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,055 They're taking too many things for granted now. 171 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,415 So, they're basing everything on the fact that Harry's 172 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,215 got the shield and they tried to kill him. 173 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,695 They've got to go back to the root of it and go, 174 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,895 what if that's not true? Mmm. 175 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,975 We do feel sorry for Ross, though, don't we? So sorry for Ross. 176 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:19,735 He didn't get his cash money. 177 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,175 He didn't get his cash money, 178 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:25,415 he didn't get the chance to avenge his mother's death. No! 179 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,855 That was such a big plan, he was like, 180 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,975 "|'m going to avenge her death." 181 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,775 No, no, you're not, mate. Not so much. 182 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,455 You think you're Batman, you're actually Bananaman. 183 00:08:35,560 --> 00:08:37,415 It was very sad to see him go. 184 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:39,935 So, obviously, we'll ask Ross this a little bit later on, 185 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:44,215 but do we think he had any chance of surviving after he was recruited? 186 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,415 Yes, I think he could have clone. 187 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,815 I think he became a little bit too Traitorous too soon, 188 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,295 trying to play games against his two fellow Traitors, 189 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,895 who were the veterans in the game at this point. Yeah. 190 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:59,175 I think if he'd laid low for that episode, just let it sink in... 191 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,175 Like Andrew did, really. Yeah, exactly. 192 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,655 just took his time a little bit. Then he could have... 193 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:05,615 Because he was already under suspicion anyway. 194 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,095 I think he was just trying his best to throw off the suspicion 195 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:09,375 onto someone else. 196 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,855 It's the work experience getting too big for his boots. 197 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,095 We should talk about the mission, we've mentioned it 198 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,455 a couple of times, but let's get properly stuck into it. 199 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,095 It was a difficult one, I thought. 200 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,495 I think there were some tricky questions in there. 201 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,135 This series had been lacking 202 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,375 in puzzles up until this point, I thought. 203 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,175 And Zack made what I would call a classic Zack blunder, 204 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,415 so let's just remind ourselves of that. 205 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,095 Whoa! Fucking hell! Oh, my God. 206 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:37,855 The net just went whoosh, 207 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,735 just took him up in the air. 208 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,775 It was like a scene out of Predator, 209 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,215 it was absolutely mental. 210 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,735 The money! 211 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:46,775 It's in here! 212 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,255 Can you chuck it out? 213 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,215 There's no hole. There's no hole at all. 214 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:54,495 Oh, my God. 215 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,415 LAUGHTER 216 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,495 I just loved the way, even the first moment he got caught, 217 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,775 he's still in there and he's sort of talking as if he's got it right 218 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,255 and something's gone wrong. 219 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,855 The only person in this game who would try and maintain 220 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,255 intellectual high ground while they're stuck in a big net. 221 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,015 He's been very confident, Zack. Yeah. 222 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,055 It's going to be interesting to see if he survives this murder. 223 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,095 I will say, in fairness to Zack, at least he's actually trying. 224 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,895 A lot of them are just sitting back 225 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,215 and letting everyone else do the work. Yeah. 226 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,575 Which is the smart thing to do, I have to say. So, it's difficult. 227 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,015 I empathise with the guy. I feel for him. 228 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,655 You're right, he voices his opinions, 229 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:33,455 he makes sure they're out there. He does. 230 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,815 Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong, 231 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:40,255 but when they're wrong, it certainly doesn't stop him voicing them. 232 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:44,095 Well put. His confidence is never knocked by a mistake. Yep. 233 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:45,975 ls there anyone else that we think is playing 234 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,175 a good game at the moment? 235 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,415 I think Evie's going to win the series. 236 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,655 Even in our discussions, she's just glided through. 237 00:10:53,680 --> 00:10:57,775 We got a bit back story from her about the adaptability of vets, 238 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,375 I loved that. Yes! 239 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,415 I've been waiting for the vet thing to come back in 240 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,895 ever since the two-vet revelation of episode one. 241 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,455 I found that riveting, the way that she has to code switch, 242 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,815 essentially, between putting down a beloved puppy and then being 243 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,655 excited when an eight-year-old brings in their hamster or whatever. 244 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:17,695 Ancl you're so right, she's completely flown under the radar. 245 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:21,455 Because wasn't she in the same category as jasmine and Ross, 246 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,055 of people it could be because she didn't know about the shield. Yes. 247 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:31,255 The only downside to playing it like Evie's playing it is that you 248 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,615 could just get murdered at night. 249 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,575 That's the tricky thing with being a Faithful. 250 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,895 I think the way she's playing it is the best way, 251 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,895 it increases your chances the most to win, 252 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,135 but because people might think, the Traitors will think, she's not going 253 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,175 to get banished any time soon, so we're going to have to murder her. 254 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,175 She's playing a great game and is very calm, as well, crucially. 255 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,215 If anyone does accuse her or chats to her, 256 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,095 she seems to be quite collected. So's Mollie. 257 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,775 Mollie and her are gliding both under the radar. 258 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,335 I don't think Mollie's name's been brought up at all. No. 259 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,935 So, Ross will be with us in just a minute, 260 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:08,055 so I think it's time to revisit his revelation at the Round Table. 261 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,775 Well, guys, there is not a lot of us now. 262 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,895 It's a bit mad, we've all got far in this game 263 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:21,935 and each and every one of you, I had a real, real connection with. 264 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,655 Ancl, look, I'll just leave you with one little Easter egg before I go. 265 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,135 I was actually the son of someone in this game. 266 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,095 And that person was mane. 267 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,375 No fucking way! 268 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,615 Oh, my God! 269 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,015 And he's here with us now, 270 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,455 the only Traitor to not pass his probation period, it's Ross! 271 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,855 CHEERING 272 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:54,855 Ross, welcome. Yeah! Boss Ross! 273 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,175 Thanks so much for coming on Uncloaked, Ross. 274 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,695 Absolute pleasure, absolute pleasure. And what an entry, right? 275 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:01,975 Yeah, what an entry. Mental. 276 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,775 Did it feel good to get that off your chest? 277 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,055 Was that something you were looking forward to doing? 278 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:07,775 Yeah, massively, massively. 279 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,775 At the same time, it was surprisingly easy to call her Diane. 280 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,215 Really easy. A lot of people have been talking about that, 281 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,775 how are you not just accidentally saying Mum? I don't know! 282 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,535 I genuinely thought that was going to be the thing that tripped me up 283 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:22,295 but as it got into the game... As someone who said it to 284 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,615 pretty much every teacher at some point at school... Yes, yeah! 285 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,215 You know, it's one of those things, sometimes I call her Diane at home, 286 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:30,775 when I'm trying to be a bit cheeky. 287 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:32,535 You know what she gets like, 288 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:35,535 she is like a teacher and she's like a teacher at home. 289 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:39,495 There are lots of redeeming qualities, as well, obviously, 290 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,015 she's not just all glares and stares and trying to point the finger 291 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,375 at people. She is nice, as well. 292 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,535 But it was genuinely, surprisingly easy. 293 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:52,775 I thought maybe during some of the challenges and stuff, that might 294 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,015 be the moment where I just go into autopilot and shout, "Mum!" 295 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,095 Whatever, "Mum, watch out for the light." 296 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,655 But, no, Diane just was dead easy coming to me. 297 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:02,895 I don't know what that says. 298 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,935 Was there any moment that you two had planned to come out as a tactic? 299 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:08,895 Or were you always going to keep it a secret? 300 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,695 We were always going to keep it a secret. 301 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,175 Obviously, we watched season one with you and Tom, we saw that... 302 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,735 You're saying that didn't convince you to come out? 303 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,695 No, surprisingly not, no! 304 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,935 It was one of those things. I think, especially at the start, 305 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:28,295 everyone is looking for any excuse to get you out. 306 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:32,335 In fact, that is the case the whole way through, so if they're like, 307 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,175 "Oh, if they can keep that secret, what else can they keep secret?" 308 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:36,815 So, we were always just like... 309 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,895 Unless somebody saw the resemblance, 310 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,695 but Paul obviously just did a blinder, covering that up 311 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,095 and I wasn't going to stop that rumour from circulating. 312 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,895 I do need to ask, have you guys been referred to 313 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,295 as Diana Ross ever before in your lives? 314 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:51,815 Never. Genuinely never. Amazing! 315 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,535 I swear, I don't know how people haven't made that connection. 316 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,415 That is the best thing I've ever heard. 317 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,695 Well, you know about your code name on set, right? 318 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,855 OK. Apparently, the crew and production on set at The Traitors, 319 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,135 in the actual castle were calling you and Diane and The Supremes. 320 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,535 GASP That's amazing. 321 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,055 That's way better than what I thought you were going to say. 322 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:15,695 So, I'm glad it's just The Supremes. 323 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:17,295 LAUGHTER 324 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:18,855 That's fantastic, you know? 325 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,375 Yeah, it's... I don't... It's the funniest thing ever. 326 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,615 Like, the memes have been the funniest thing ever. 327 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,575 It's been what's given me life after the show. 328 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,295 I've had "But Ross is" put on a T-shirt. 329 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,055 LAUGHTER 330 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,775 You've got to commit to these things. I actually trademarked that. 331 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,815 So, you're going to have a legal battle, I think. 332 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,455 I mean, we should say |vo's wearing a T-shirt, for the Sounds listeners, 333 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,575 he's wearing a T-shirt with a picture of Diane's face 334 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,655 and "But Ross is" is written on it. 335 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,015 lvo had that made. 336 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,295 He did not know Diane was going to be on this episode. 337 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,415 He did not know you were going to be on this episode. 338 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,575 So I'd imagine he's hugely embarrassed right now. 339 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,895 No, I love it. I love it. Can I get a copy? 340 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,575 Can I get a shirt? I had a T-shirt for every contestant. 341 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,135 My Evie, you know, "You've got to be skilled to be a vet" 342 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:03,775 T-shirt, that's in the bag. 343 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,095 Well, I have to say, that brings me on nicely, 344 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,535 I've got a little present, which, lvo, think I'm actually 345 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,535 going to give to you, mate, because... Oh! 346 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,175 I've got a mug. 347 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,495 "|'m not a mug, but Ross is." Oh, my gosh. 348 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,055 Wow. It's an absolute merch-off! 349 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,055 lvo, there's something about someone holding 350 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:23,975 and wearing two pieces of home-made merch 351 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,655 that makes you look like an absolute sad do. 352 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,495 You're a super fan, mate. 353 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,455 Ancl Mum might come on later and she'll invite you to a roast dinner. 354 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,975 So, like, you know... I've heard they're rubbish. 355 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,015 Now, Ross, you were obviously welcomed very late on 356 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:40,255 into The Traitors' fold. 357 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,575 So let's remind ourselves of that. 358 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,095 There's something about that cloak which has already given me 359 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:46,735 a little bit of power. 360 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,335 Traitor Ross is in full force. 361 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,535 Golden boy Harry murdered my mum. 362 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:53,615 I'm livid. 363 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,095 So, look, Harry, mate, I'm coming for you, man. 364 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,895 Oh, wow. I mean, we would have liked to have seen 365 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:01,535 the revenge plan play out, I think. 366 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,135 I was really looking forward to The Traitors just turning into, 367 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,375 like, a samurai film. I thought you were going to go 368 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,775 all guns blazing and really take out Harry. 369 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,135 When you had this big revenge plan to take out Harry, 370 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,335 maybe take out Andrew, was there actually a plan in there 371 00:17:15,360 --> 00:17:17,815 or did you just know you wanted to get some revenge? 372 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,735 No, the plan was to... 373 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,135 ...just cause chaos within the ranks, right? 374 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,495 So, turn those two against each other, have Andrew on my side, 375 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,735 and then also just try and get Harry's name out there 376 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:33,295 in whatever way I could, because at that point, he was just so solid. 377 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,775 Like, he's got such a sweet face on him, doesn't he? 378 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,375 He's Baby Harry. Like... You've got a sweet face, too, though. 379 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,055 Don't do yourself down. No? Yeah? OK. 380 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,455 I mean, I feel like every time the camera turned to me, I'm like this. 381 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,095 I'm Diane's son, you know what I mean? 382 00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:52,255 Like, I'm just sussing people out, always. 383 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,215 You know, so there was, like... 384 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,815 There was a plan, but I had, what, 12 hours to sort the plan out? 385 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,615 So I was trying to pit them against each other. 386 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,615 Ancl because obviously Andrew was going, "Oh, you know," 387 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,815 I didn't realise Andrew was so cottoned on to the fact 388 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,175 that Harry was probably going to murder him at some point. 389 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:12,495 He didn't seem the type. 390 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,535 Andrew is such a lovable, big, friendly giant, you know? 391 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,735 That's just the kind of way he is. 392 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,055 Andrew was cottoned on from the moment he was recruited. 393 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:24,095 He went in there and when, I think it was Paul was still there, 394 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:26,495 and Paul said, "Oh, you know, you're a Traitor now, 395 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:27,935 "you've just got to trust us." 396 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,655 And Andrew went, "Trust you?!" 397 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,055 Like, he was immediately, immediately didn't buy it. 398 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,615 It was incredible. So, yeah... See, I didn't see all that. 399 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,735 So, you know, like in my head I was like, 400 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,455 "|'m really going to have to sway Andrew 401 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,135 "because I think he's going to be such in Harry's pocket." 402 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,735 So that was the game plan, really. 403 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,375 But, obviously, then Harry went straight to Andrew, 404 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,135 they chatted, Andrew started lying. 405 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,455 Can we talk about Elusivegate quickly, please? 406 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,695 Because obviously I think... Scandal of our times. Fuming! 407 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,375 Andrew knows what it means, but also similarly 408 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,495 doesn't know the word and never uses it. But was that... 409 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,975 I mean, that must have been a hugely frustrating moment. 410 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,295 I felt that frustration for you at the Round Table, 411 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,855 because you were sat there being gas lit at the Round Table. 412 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,215 Andrew gas lit me. Yeah. He did, yeah. 413 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:22,535 No, you know, I think, at that point, genuinely, I knew I was out. 414 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,695 It came from breakfast, where I hadn't even had a sip of coffee 415 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,135 and Zack was just like, br-br-br-br-br - "Yeah, it's you." 416 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,655 Do you know what I mean? 417 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,975 And, you know, he had... His theory was good. Wrong. 418 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,215 It was wrong. 419 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,895 Can I just say on that, I think that upset me 420 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,255 because the breakfast table, that should be sacred. 421 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:42,695 I agree. Right? 422 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,575 "Don't accuse me of being a Traitor until I've had my egg." Yeah. 423 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,495 Eat your croissants in peace. You know, like, I didn't get that. 424 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,055 "This is not the Round Table, it's the breakfast table." 425 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:56,255 So, Zack was so articulate and so focused in his theories. 426 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,175 Ancl whenever... And, like, they made sense. Some of them didn't. 427 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:00,935 Obviously, it was the wrong theory. 428 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:02,855 Ancl it just so happened that the night before, 429 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,535 I got made a Traitor, so... 430 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,855 So, it made it a lot kind of more difficult to react 431 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,095 in a more genuine way of being like, "Look, I'm not, I'm a Faithful." 432 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:13,735 Like "What you're saying is not right." 433 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:19,135 I kind of, off the back of that, used just the excuse of, like, 434 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,095 knowing that his theory was wrong, right? 435 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:22,895 You know, it was the fact that I was upstairs 436 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:24,535 and I didn't see who had a shield. 437 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,015 And, obviously, that was all clone very tactically. 438 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,095 Ancl it was a good theory. 439 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:30,655 But, you know, as soon as that happened, you just feel 440 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:35,135 the energy in the castle kind of get turned against you. 441 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,095 So, you sensed that it might have been your last day? 442 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:40,015 Yeah, I knew it was my last clay. I knew it was. 443 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,735 Ross, it was great watching you. You were fantastic in the castle. 444 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,735 Thank you so much for coming on Uncloaked. 445 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,175 But we're not done with you yet 446 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,655 because we have another special guest on this episode. 447 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,295 But before we bring her in, let's watch the moment that Zack 448 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,055 gets called out for his mother-and-son theory. 449 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,415 So, Zack, hold on. 450 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,255 I've been hearing some rumours. 451 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,655 Oh, yeah? Go on? You think that my son's in this game? 452 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:07,775 I just think you and Paul look a little bit alike. 453 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,855 I think you've got the same eyes. The two gingers. 454 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,175 I dye my hair red. 455 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,335 I think Paul looks quite Irish, too. He does, actually, yeah. 456 00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:17,175 Diane, are you hiding something? 457 00:21:18,120 --> 00:21:19,615 LAUGHTER 458 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,935 And she's here with us now, back on Uncloaked, it's Diane! 459 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,895 WHOOPING AND APPLAUSE 460 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,175 Welcome back, Diane. Thank you. 461 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,895 That was that was a wonderful moment. 462 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,775 I love that moment, especially as you were totally across what Zack 463 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,775 had said, that he thought Paul was your son, but obviously 464 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,815 you hadn't heard, Ross? First time. First time. 465 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,215 So, you were you were completely behind and you were like, 466 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,415 "Oh, no, the game's up. We've been rumbled." 467 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,375 Yeah. Well, yeah, to a degree. It was more just shock. 468 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,175 But also, Mum gets a little twinkle in her eye 469 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,135 so you know when she's just having a joke. 470 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,455 So I just had to very quickly cotton on to the fact that, 471 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,095 you know, it was Paul and not me. But, yeah, very much. 472 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:57,775 You can see the surprise in my face. I'm just like... 473 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,895 But equally, though, I deliberately 474 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:03,135 did it when he was in the room because I found out that if you tell 475 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,215 a story and Ross isn't in the room, then it could backfire on me 476 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,095 because he might tell the same story 477 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:11,695 and then, "How does Ross have the same story as Diane? 478 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,215 "That's very weird." Of course. 479 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,695 So, it was also deliberately done because it was quite... 480 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,215 I mean, it's quite stressful talking about something 481 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,135 and you're not in the room, and then I had to make sure 482 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,575 that I repeated the story. 483 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,415 So I didn't do that deliberately to catch you out. 484 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,655 Ancl you've also got to try and land the line, as well. 485 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,135 Because you are under stress and if you're trying to make a bit 486 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,095 of a joke or whatever, you know, just like the roast dinner line, 487 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:36,535 I could have delivered it so much better. But there's a lot of stress 488 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,495 when you're delivering something like that. 489 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,335 So, you know, it doesn't quite come out like you want it 490 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:42,815 and you're trying to have a joke. 491 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,015 But I love those little moments because, personally, 492 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,575 if I was in that situation, I'd be so worried about it coming out 493 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,095 that I wouldn't be brave enough 494 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:51,415 to start throwing around jokes in there. 495 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,495 No, but we weren't until Paul was brought up as my son. 496 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,455 And then I thought, "This is fabulous." 497 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,895 Because then somebody might have said, Ross, 498 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:01,975 and I'd have gone, "Yeah, yeah, he's my son." 499 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,815 "Ash is my sister. Kyra's my brother." 500 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,615 You know, "I'll just take you all on." So, that would have been OK. 501 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,295 As soon as the Paul thing happened, I relaxed. 502 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,415 I thought it was such a good decision, though, 503 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,775 and you guys had so much fun with it. I do, particularly. 504 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,775 It's one of my favourite moments of the series. 505 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,015 It's after you had gone, Diane... Thanks. ..and Ross was... 506 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,615 Thank God you went because, frankly, 507 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,335 I've been enjoying it so much more since. 508 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:25,735 It was Ross in the car. 509 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,935 Now we've already showed this clip, but you're going to love this. 510 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,575 Let's have another look. 511 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,695 Diane would be looking down on us now. 512 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,375 IRISH ACCENT: "Go get that Traitors guy." 513 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,175 LAUGHTER "Go get the Traitors now." 514 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,535 IRISH ACCENT: "Absolutely!" 515 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,695 I love her! She was like my mum. No, no, she WAS my mum. 516 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,415 She was my mum first. My mum first! No, stop it. 517 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,295 My mum. 518 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,815 Oh, the fourth wall. 519 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,095 Amazing. Outstanding. So good. 520 00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:55,215 What I want to know, is that the only time you did that 521 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,735 or is that the only one they show? 522 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,455 Were you just winking at every camera? 523 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,215 That's the only one they showed. 524 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,975 But, you know, even that wink, I'm looking at it, going, 525 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,135 "Oh, I could have delivered that better." 526 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,495 But it's a lot of pressure. There's just a lot of pressure 527 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,855 when you're trying to do all those little sneaky things. 528 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,295 No, it was fantastic. It was a real highlight. 529 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,975 Now, we do want to talk about the funeral. I think particularly 530 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,215 Elizabeth is desperate to talk about the funeral. Yes! 531 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,575 I do have questions about the funeral written down here, 532 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,455 but I'm just going to hand over to Elizabeth 533 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,535 because she's absolutely gagging to talk about the funeral. 534 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,855 I found it so profoundly moving. 535 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,015 I didn't understand what was wrong. 536 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,575 Like, I was welling up. 537 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,735 That moment when you went across, and you saw your beloved mum 538 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,575 in a coffin, and you whispered "Bye" to him, 539 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,615 I found I was genuinely about to cry. 540 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,255 What is that experience like for both of you? 541 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,375 I was ready to text my siblings being, like, 542 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,655 "|t's finally happened, guys. It's happened." 543 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,255 No more roasts! Yes, the clay has come. 544 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,895 Ancl then, when she appeared, when I left, I was going, "Oh, fuck." 545 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,295 You know when you went, "Yes!", 546 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,215 when Sonja revealed she was a Faithful? 547 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,255 I wanted you to do that when the coffin lid shut. 548 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,335 "Yes! Party time!" 549 00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:08,975 In all seriousness, it was a mixture of emotions cos, you know, 550 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,215 at the end of the clay, you are seeing your mum 551 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,295 getting put in a coffin. 552 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,935 You shouldn't have winked. I think that was a mistake. 553 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,655 Yeah, it was an odd choice. 554 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,895 Ancl hindsight's a wonderful thing, isn't it? 555 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,055 But, you know, it was a mixture of, one, because obviously, 556 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,415 as well, it's still a secret, right, at this point? 557 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,535 So, you kind of have... But it is emotional. 558 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,895 But then, at the same time, you can't show too much emotion 559 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,015 because then, the other contestants are going to be, like, 560 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,775 "Why is Ross crying?" 561 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,335 Like, "I didn't know him and Diane were so close." 562 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:39,375 And also, when I was in the coffin, I knew. 563 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,295 So, I was waiting for him to look over and I wanted to say, 564 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:43,895 "Love || 565 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,575 but I didn't want to move my... 566 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,775 Aww! I know this does sound mental... No, it doesn't. 567 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,775 ...move my mouth twice, there would have been two words. 568 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,895 So, "Love, you." Whereas, "Bye." 569 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,855 I could do that and I wouldn't be noticed because 570 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,335 I'm still, like, "Oh, my God," you know? 571 00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:00,455 And then you thought I'd said, "Miles" anyway. 572 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,815 So he didn't even think I'd said "Bye". "Miles", her dying words! 573 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,975 Yeah, yeah. I was like, "Miles?" Like, "ls that your actual son?" 574 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,375 Yeah, exactly. 575 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,175 So, you know, and when I went away, I had all these weird theories 576 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,575 about who had actually done it because I still wasn't sure 577 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,295 it was Miles. And then, I thought, "Shit, I've left him there 578 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,935 "with some Traitors. I could have warned him." 579 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,735 Then I got cross about that because it is mental, this game. 580 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,055 Now, Diane, you're something of a fan favourite. 581 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,615 Very, very popular online. 582 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,455 But did you know you're actually sat in the room with one of your biggest 583 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,735 fans apart from your own son? 584 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,495 If you just want to turn around, because |vo's had something made. 585 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,975 He didn't know you were going to be on this episode, but, lvo, 586 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,535 would you like to reveal to Diane? 587 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,495 I've been wearing it since clay one. "But Ross is." 588 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,815 Oh, my God, could you not have got a nicer photograph? 589 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,775 If you don't like this photograph, you're not going to enjoy the rest 590 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,375 of your life, because this is you forever. 591 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,735 We've talked about the Sunday roast thing a little bit, 592 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,455 but you've been having quite a lot of fun with that online, Diane. 593 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,855 So, let's just have a look at this picture that you posted. 594 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,255 Wonderful. 595 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,655 That's going to be on my T-shirt. 596 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,575 Yeah, that's a better picture of me, that's OK. Yeah. 597 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,815 This looks like a restaurant. Is this your house? 598 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,375 That's my house, in the middle of building work. Very lovely. 599 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,735 I do need to know, though, Ross, what is it 600 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,775 that makes Diane's roasts so poor? 601 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,335 Wow, you really went there, Alex? 602 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:21,095 I'm curious. 603 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:23,895 You know he's talking shit, don't you? They're excellent! 604 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,895 I'm absolutely not. No, listen. 605 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,695 The roast potatoes, ten out of ten. Yeah, they look good. 606 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,935 They are good. They're the hardest part to get right. 607 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,615 Her roast potatoes are good because she just deep-fat fries them 608 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,535 and it's just be clone with it, deep-fat fried. 609 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,735 So, they they're chips? They're just big chunky chips. 610 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,215 They're parboiled first, come on! 611 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,255 But, you know like there's certain people, you know, 612 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,695 who like their steak medium-rare, medium, whatever? 613 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,295 Mum loves hers well clone. 614 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,895 So, like, that kind of tells you all you need to know. 615 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,975 Good with chicken, though. The turkey's dry, the chicken. 616 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,215 The roast beef's excellent though. 617 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,975 Yeah, the roast beef's good. She cremates it, you know? 618 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,855 We are going to continue the chat over on BBC Sounds now, of course, 619 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,655 where we'll be playing a little game with Diane and Ross to see how well 620 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,335 they really know each other. 621 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,255 It's all in the bonus episode of Uncloaked, 622 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,815 available on BBC Sounds right now. 623 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,655 A massive thanks to Elizabeth, Alex, Diane, lvo and Ross. 624 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,335 Thank you so much for joining me tonight 625 00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:18,375 and thank you very much for watching. 626 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,335 Don't forget, if you want to play along at home, you can submit 627 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:23,695 your own predictions via The Traitors Prediction Game. 628 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,255 just go to bbc.co.uk/traitors and give it a go. 629 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,415 The Traitors: Uncloaked will be back tomorrow. 630 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,495 We are nearing the end of an absolutely incredible series 631 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,215 and I, for one, cannot wait to see what happens. 632 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,215 I've been Ed Gamble, stay Faithful! 54813

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