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Welcome to The Traitors:
Uncloaked, I'm Ed Gamble.
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But before we go any further, you
know what I'm going to say -
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spoiler alert. If you're not caught
up on all the episodes
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of The Traitors,
get to iPlayer, watch them all now.
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Coming up - novelist, broadcaster
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and host of the How To Fail
podcast, Elizabeth Day.
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Comedian lvo Graham.
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Faithful Alex, from series one.
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And, following his banishment,
last in, first out Traitor Ross
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finally reunites with his mother
and series icon Diane.
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This program me contains some
strong language
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Elizabeth, Alex, lvo, another
absolute barnstormer of a show.
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So exciting. Shaking. Shaking.
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Physically shaking.
YOU were shaking?
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My heart was out my chest!
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lvo,
how did you feel about that episode?
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I know you're a Traitors super fan.
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Yes, I am, Ed, we've
played The Traitors together. Yes.
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But it's never unravelled
quite as well.
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I would say there were
moments in that episode that were
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as exciting for me
as when you cancelled your taxi
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on New Year's Eve so you could stay
and keep killing.
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What a night, what a night that was!
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Well,
we know what happens on Uncloaked,
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when we catch a Traitor,
we play the siren.
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SIREN
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There it is. He only lasted one
episode, poor old Ross,
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but we've got plenty to
talk about today.
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We've got to talk about Harry's
growing confidence. Yeah.
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Some might say cockiness. Some might
say cockiness. I'm worried for him.
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I can't wait to dig into
that later.
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We should talk first where we left
the episode, which is
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Andrew and Harry deciding
who to murder.
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So, let's remind
ourselves of that decision.
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We need to obviously
make a decision -
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J62,
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Mollie,
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or Zack.
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Do you want to do it?
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I'm happy, 100%.
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This is the right move.
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I feel good about this one.
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Oh, he is loving that, isn't he?
Well, they're usually confident.
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A little too much.
It's rare that you go,
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"I think this might be a mistake
but we've written it down now."
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So, they're deciding
between Zack, jaz and Mollie,
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who do we think
is the smartest move?
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Probably jaz.
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I think Mollie would be
the silliest move
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because she's protecting
Harry like crazy.
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Ancl for Wilf, for example,
in series one, that was Hannah.
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Hannah protected Wilf like crazy,
so it's best to keep her
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in for as long as possible.
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So, I thinkjaz is definitely
the smartest decision there.
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Also, jaz seems to be
the only one who has suspicions
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about Harry at the moment.
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Hmm. But he's kept them quiet,
hasn't he?
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I think, jaz, they could switch it
so that focus turns on Jaz.
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Because he's clearly a very smart,
strategic player,
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and I would not find it hard
to believe that he were a Traitor.
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Partly because, what
I find most suspicious aboutjaz,
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is how clean
he keeps his white clothes.
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They're in the middle
of muddy Scotland and he looks
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so freshly pressed every
single time I see him.
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Ancl I just think that could be...
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You could do an interesting
pivot on that.
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So, would you be suspecting that,
in the Traitors' Turret,
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they have access to a dry cleaner's?
Well, this is the question.
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I mean, probably, because they get
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access to all the privileges,
don't they?
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We should talk about Harry
because, like I say,
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growing confidence -
you, Elizabeth, say cockiness -
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do we think he's going
the way of Paul, potentially?
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Because Paul, obviously, an amazing
Traitor for a bit, then started
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to get a bit of a swagger
and maybe got away from himself.
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Paul was swaggering before
he'd even...
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Like, episode one, before he was
made a Traitor,
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I think he threatened to kill
Claudia Winkleman.
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Which is quite a first for the show.
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He did describe himself as cruel,
which was a bit of a red flag.
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"Cruel" and "Traitor"
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were two of the words he used to
describe himself.
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Do we think he's maybe heading in
the same direction, though?
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Because he's very much the hero,
a lot, at the moment.
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So, the hero of Round Tables,
the hero of missions,
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people are really bigging him up.
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I've really loved
Harry from the beginning,
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especially that bit where he talks
aboutjonny and losing jonny
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and voting forjonny
around the Round Table,
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and that bond that they
had as members of the Army.
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But still, you could see, again,
the human emotion behind it.
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He's got you right where he wants
you, Elizabeth! Come on!
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I know! I'm turned!
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Can I ask a question?
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So, that whole
exchange between Andrew and Ross
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where the word "elusive" was
used...? Yes.
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Well, I'm glad you bring that up
because we've actually got a clip
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to remind ourselves of that.
OK, thank you.
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Ross, the only thing that weirded me
out was that you said to me
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in the kitchen that Andrew told you
today that
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I was moving hell a elusive and that.
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Elusive? When have you ever heard me
say the word elusive?
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I literally heard it an hour ago.
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Someone's clearly lying there, but
what's going on? That's what I mean.
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Elusive? I would never use
the word elusive, ever.
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When have you ever heard me speak,
saying the word elusive?
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There's many words I haven't
heard you speak,
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Andrew, but why would I say it?
I don't know, that's why I'm asking.
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Why would I say it?
I don't know. To stir shit.
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It's hard, lying, to be honest.
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Barefaced, blatant lying,
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especially when you know the
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other person's telling the truth.
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But I'm playing the game.
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I loved it so much. So good.
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Also because this, to me,
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represents Andrew really coming
into his own as a Traitor, as well.
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I was blown away. Because day one of
him being a Traitor, I think
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we were all a little bit worried
when he walked
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into that breakfast, he looked blown
away by the whole situation.
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But now, I think he's nailing it.
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To be able to just go, "When have
you heard me use that word?"
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Genius. Genius.
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I would be slightly upset
if that was me, though, going,
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"I would never use
a word like elusive."
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And everyone goes,
"Yeah, you wouldn't, actually."
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"All I've heard you say is protein."
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He lied so well that
I was convinced that maybe he didn't
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even say the word elusive, even
though I'd heard him say it! Yeah!
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Do we think this is going to come
back and bite Andrew, though?
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Do you think he's setting himself
up for a bit of a fall here or
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do you think he's done well?
I think Harry might turn on him.
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That's Harry's plan, isn't it?
He literally says, "|'m going
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"to throw these Traitors
out in front of me."
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That's why he wanted to
recruit Ross,
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that plan worked out well for him.
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Ancl he's just
kind of bringing Andrew along,
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making Andrew nice and safe, "Come
under my wing, I'll look after you,
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"don't worry, we're Traitors,
we'll win it together."
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But really, all he wants to do is
kick him out onto the Round Table
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and get him banished.
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Do we think Andrew believes that
Harry has got his back, though?
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Not any more, as in,
I don't believe it any more.
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Until this final episode, I thought
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that Harry had all of the cards
in his hand but actually now,
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I understand that
I've underestimated Andrew.
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Ancl more fool me. Yes.
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Let's talk about Harry's plan,
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because we've not really
got into the weeds with that yet.
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The plan, obviously,
to get the shield, to then recruit
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and then pretend that, clearly,
they tried to murder him
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but he had the shield so they
couldn't. It seems to have worked.
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And it seems to have worked with
everyone except jaz, really.
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And it feels like it's going
to have massive implications for
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the rest of the game, this.
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It was so clever. Yeah.
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Ancl to be able to think at that
level when you are squatting in
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a rancid tunnel with flashing lights
and rotten vegetables and toads.
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Yeah. To be able to game play then
is just extraordinary.
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It was amazing. And I do think
it will work for him,
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he has plotted it out.
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Ancl I wonder if part of that is that
military training,
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that you are taught so much about
how to think several steps ahead,
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because I think
it's going to work. Yeah.
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It does amaze me thatjaz is
the only one who's clocked on
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to the idea that, just
because Harry had the shield,
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doesn't mean that he couldn't be
the Traitor.
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I think it's actually a little
disheartening that
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the other Faithfuls haven't
considered that yet.
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They're taking too many things
for granted now.
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So, they're basing everything
on the fact that Harry's
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got the shield
and they tried to kill him.
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They've got to go back to the
root of it and go,
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what if that's not true? Mmm.
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We do feel sorry for Ross,
though, don't we? So sorry for Ross.
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He didn't get his cash money.
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He didn't get his cash money,
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he didn't get the chance to
avenge his mother's death. No!
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That was such a big plan,
he was like,
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"|'m going to avenge her death."
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No, no, you're not, mate.
Not so much.
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You think you're Batman,
you're actually Bananaman.
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It was very sad to see him go.
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So, obviously, we'll ask Ross this
a little bit later on,
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but do we think he had any chance
of surviving after he was recruited?
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Yes, I think he could have clone.
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I think he became a little bit too
Traitorous too soon,
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trying to play games
against his two fellow Traitors,
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who were the veterans
in the game at this point. Yeah.
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I think if he'd laid low for that
episode, just let it sink in...
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Like Andrew did, really.
Yeah, exactly.
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just took his time a little bit.
Then he could have...
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Because he was already under
suspicion anyway.
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I think he was just trying his best
to throw off the suspicion
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onto someone else.
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It's the work experience
getting too big for his boots.
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We should talk about the mission,
we've mentioned it
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a couple of times, but let's get
properly stuck into it.
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It was a difficult one, I thought.
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I think there were some tricky
questions in there.
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This series had been lacking
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in puzzles up until this point,
I thought.
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And Zack made what I would call
a classic Zack blunder,
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so let's just remind
ourselves of that.
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Whoa! Fucking hell! Oh, my God.
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The net just went whoosh,
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just took him up in the air.
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It was like a scene out of Predator,
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it was absolutely mental.
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The money!
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It's in here!
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Can you chuck it out?
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There's no hole.
There's no hole at all.
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Oh, my God.
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LAUGHTER
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I just loved the way,
even the first moment he got caught,
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he's still in there and he's sort
of talking as if he's got it right
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and something's gone wrong.
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The only person in this game who
would try and maintain
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intellectual high ground
while they're stuck in a big net.
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He's been very confident, Zack.
Yeah.
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It's going to be interesting to see
if he survives this murder.
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I will say, in fairness to Zack,
at least he's actually trying.
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A lot of them are just sitting back
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and letting everyone else do
the work. Yeah.
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Which is the smart thing to do,
I have to say. So, it's difficult.
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I empathise with the guy.
I feel for him.
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You're right,
he voices his opinions,
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he makes sure they're out there.
He does.
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Sometimes they're right,
sometimes they're wrong,
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but when they're wrong, it certainly
doesn't stop him voicing them.
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Well put. His confidence is never
knocked by a mistake. Yep.
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ls there anyone else that we think
is playing
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a good game at the moment?
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I think Evie's going to win
the series.
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Even in our discussions,
she's just glided through.
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We got a bit back story from
her about the adaptability of vets,
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I loved that. Yes!
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I've been waiting for the vet
thing to come back in
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ever since the two-vet revelation
of episode one.
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I found that riveting,
the way that she has to code switch,
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essentially, between putting
down a beloved puppy and then being
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excited when an eight-year-old
brings in their hamster or whatever.
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Ancl you're so right, she's
completely flown under the radar.
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Because wasn't she in the same
category as jasmine and Ross,
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of people it could be because she
didn't know about the shield. Yes.
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The only downside to playing it
like Evie's playing it is that you
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could just get murdered at night.
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That's the tricky thing with
being a Faithful.
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I think the way she's playing it
is the best way,
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it increases your chances
the most to win,
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but because people might think, the
Traitors will think, she's not going
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to get banished any time soon, so
we're going to have to murder her.
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She's playing a great game and is
very calm, as well, crucially.
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If anyone does accuse her
or chats to her,
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she seems to be quite collected.
So's Mollie.
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Mollie and her are
gliding both under the radar.
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I don't think Mollie's name's been
brought up at all. No.
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So, Ross will be with us
in just a minute,
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so I think it's time to revisit
his revelation at the Round Table.
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Well, guys, there is not
a lot of us now.
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It's a bit mad, we've all got
far in this game
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and each and every one of you,
I had a real, real connection with.
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Ancl, look, I'll just leave you with
one little Easter egg before I go.
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I was actually
the son of someone in this game.
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And that person was mane.
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No fucking way!
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Oh, my God!
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And he's here with us now,
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the only Traitor to not pass
his probation period, it's Ross!
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CHEERING
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Ross, welcome. Yeah! Boss Ross!
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Thanks so much for coming
on Uncloaked, Ross.
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Absolute pleasure, absolute
pleasure. And what an entry, right?
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Yeah, what an entry. Mental.
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Did it feel good to get
that off your chest?
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Was that something you were looking
forward to doing?
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Yeah, massively, massively.
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At the same time, it was
surprisingly easy to call her Diane.
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Really easy. A lot of people
have been talking about that,
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how are you not just accidentally
saying Mum? I don't know!
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I genuinely thought that was going
to be the thing that tripped me up
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but as it got into the game...
As someone who said it to
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pretty much every teacher at some
point at school... Yes, yeah!
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You know, it's one of those things,
sometimes I call her Diane at home,
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when I'm trying to be a bit cheeky.
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You know what she gets like,
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she is like a teacher
and she's like a teacher at home.
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There are lots of redeeming
qualities, as well, obviously,
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she's not just all glares and stares
and trying to point the finger
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at people. She is nice, as well.
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But it was genuinely,
surprisingly easy.
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I thought maybe during some of the
challenges and stuff, that might
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be the moment where I just
go into autopilot and shout, "Mum!"
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Whatever,
"Mum, watch out for the light."
296
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But, no, Diane just
was dead easy coming to me.
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I don't know what that says.
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Was there any moment that you two
had planned to come out as a tactic?
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Or were you always going to
keep it a secret?
300
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We were always going to keep
it a secret.
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Obviously, we watched season one
with you and Tom, we saw that...
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You're saying that didn't convince
you to come out?
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No, surprisingly not, no!
304
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It was one of those things.
I think, especially at the start,
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everyone is looking for any
excuse to get you out.
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In fact, that is the case the whole
way through, so if they're like,
307
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"Oh, if they can keep that secret,
what else can they keep secret?"
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So, we were always just like...
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Unless somebody saw the resemblance,
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but Paul obviously just
did a blinder, covering that up
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and I wasn't going to stop that
rumour from circulating.
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I do need to ask,
have you guys been referred to
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as Diana Ross ever before in
your lives?
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Never. Genuinely never. Amazing!
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I swear, I don't know how people
haven't made that connection.
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That is the best thing I've
ever heard.
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Well, you know
about your code name on set, right?
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OK. Apparently, the crew and
production on set at The Traitors,
319
00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,135
in the actual castle were calling
you and Diane and The Supremes.
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GASP
That's amazing.
321
00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,055
That's way better than what I
thought you were going to say.
322
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So, I'm glad it's just The Supremes.
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LAUGHTER
324
00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:18,855
That's fantastic, you know?
325
00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,375
Yeah, it's... I don't...
It's the funniest thing ever.
326
00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,615
Like, the memes have been
the funniest thing ever.
327
00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,575
It's been what's given me
life after the show.
328
00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,295
I've had "But Ross is"
put on a T-shirt.
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LAUGHTER
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You've got to commit to these
things. I actually trademarked that.
331
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So, you're going to have a legal
battle, I think.
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00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,455
I mean, we should say |vo's wearing
a T-shirt, for the Sounds listeners,
333
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he's wearing a T-shirt with
a picture of Diane's face
334
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and "But Ross is" is written on it.
335
00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,015
lvo had that made.
336
00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,295
He did not know Diane was
going to be on this episode.
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He did not know you were
going to be on this episode.
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00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,575
So I'd imagine he's hugely
embarrassed right now.
339
00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,895
No, I love it.
I love it. Can I get a copy?
340
00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,575
Can I get a shirt? I had a
T-shirt for every contestant.
341
00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,135
My Evie, you know, "You've got
to be skilled to be a vet"
342
00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:03,775
T-shirt, that's in the bag.
343
00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,095
Well, I have to say, that brings me
on nicely,
344
00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,535
I've got a little present,
which, lvo, think I'm actually
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going to give to you, mate,
because... Oh!
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00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,175
I've got a mug.
347
00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,495
"|'m not a mug, but Ross is."
Oh, my gosh.
348
00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,055
Wow. It's an absolute merch-off!
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00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,055
lvo, there's something about
someone holding
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and wearing two pieces
of home-made merch
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that makes you look like
an absolute sad do.
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00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,495
You're a super fan, mate.
353
00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,455
Ancl Mum might come on later and
she'll invite you to a roast dinner.
354
00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,975
So, like, you know...
I've heard they're rubbish.
355
00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,015
Now, Ross, you were obviously
welcomed very late on
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into The Traitors' fold.
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So let's remind ourselves of that.
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00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,095
There's something about that cloak
which has already given me
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00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:46,735
a little bit of power.
360
00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,335
Traitor Ross is in full force.
361
00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,535
Golden boy Harry murdered my mum.
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00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:53,615
I'm livid.
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00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,095
So, look, Harry, mate, I'm coming
for you, man.
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00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,895
Oh, wow. I mean, we would have
liked to have seen
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00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:01,535
the revenge plan play out, I think.
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00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,135
I was really looking forward
to The Traitors just turning into,
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00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,375
like, a samurai film.
I thought you were going to go
368
00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,775
all guns blazing and really
take out Harry.
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00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,135
When you had this big revenge
plan to take out Harry,
370
00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,335
maybe take out Andrew, was there
actually a plan in there
371
00:17:15,360 --> 00:17:17,815
or did you just know
you wanted to get some revenge?
372
00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,735
No, the plan was to...
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...just cause chaos within
the ranks, right?
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00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,495
So, turn those two against each
other, have Andrew on my side,
375
00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,735
and then also just try and get
Harry's name out there
376
00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:33,295
in whatever way I could, because at
that point, he was just so solid.
377
00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,775
Like, he's got such a sweet
face on him, doesn't he?
378
00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,375
He's Baby Harry. Like... You've got
a sweet face, too, though.
379
00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,055
Don't do yourself down.
No? Yeah? OK.
380
00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,455
I mean, I feel like every time the
camera turned to me, I'm like this.
381
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I'm Diane's son, you know
what I mean?
382
00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:52,255
Like, I'm just sussing people
out, always.
383
00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,215
You know, so there was, like...
384
00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,815
There was a plan, but I had, what,
12 hours to sort the plan out?
385
00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,615
So I was trying to pit
them against each other.
386
00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,615
Ancl because obviously Andrew
was going, "Oh, you know,"
387
00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,815
I didn't realise Andrew
was so cottoned on to the fact
388
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that Harry was probably
going to murder him at some point.
389
00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:12,495
He didn't seem the type.
390
00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,535
Andrew is such a lovable, big,
friendly giant, you know?
391
00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,735
That's just the kind
of way he is.
392
00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,055
Andrew was cottoned
on from the moment he was recruited.
393
00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:24,095
He went in there and when, I think
it was Paul was still there,
394
00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:26,495
and Paul said, "Oh, you know,
you're a Traitor now,
395
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"you've just got to trust us."
396
00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,655
And Andrew went, "Trust you?!"
397
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Like, he was immediately,
immediately didn't buy it.
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It was incredible. So, yeah...
See, I didn't see all that.
399
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So, you know, like in my head
I was like,
400
00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,455
"|'m really going to have to
sway Andrew
401
00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,135
"because I think he's
going to be such in Harry's pocket."
402
00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,735
So that was the game
plan, really.
403
00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:49,375
But, obviously, then Harry went
straight to Andrew,
404
00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:53,135
they chatted, Andrew started lying.
405
00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,455
Can we talk about Elusivegate
quickly, please?
406
00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,695
Because obviously I think...
Scandal of our times. Fuming!
407
00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,375
Andrew knows what it means, but also
similarly
408
00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,495
doesn't know the word
and never uses it. But was that...
409
00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,975
I mean, that must have been a hugely
frustrating moment.
410
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,295
I felt that frustration
for you at the Round Table,
411
00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,855
because you were sat there
being gas lit at the Round Table.
412
00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,215
Andrew gas lit me. Yeah.
He did, yeah.
413
00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:22,535
No, you know, I think, at that
point, genuinely, I knew I was out.
414
00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,695
It came from breakfast, where
I hadn't even had a sip of coffee
415
00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,135
and Zack was just like,
br-br-br-br-br - "Yeah, it's you."
416
00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,655
Do you know what I mean?
417
00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,975
And, you know, he had...
His theory was good. Wrong.
418
00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,215
It was wrong.
419
00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,895
Can I just say on that,
I think that upset me
420
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because the breakfast table,
that should be sacred.
421
00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:42,695
I agree. Right?
422
00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,575
"Don't accuse me of being a Traitor
until I've had my egg." Yeah.
423
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,495
Eat your croissants in peace.
You know, like, I didn't get that.
424
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,055
"This is not the Round Table,
it's the breakfast table."
425
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:56,255
So, Zack was so articulate
and so focused in his theories.
426
00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,175
Ancl whenever... And, like, they made
sense. Some of them didn't.
427
00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:00,935
Obviously, it was the wrong theory.
428
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:02,855
Ancl it just so happened
that the night before,
429
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,535
I got made a Traitor, so...
430
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,855
So, it made it a lot kind
of more difficult to react
431
00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,095
in a more genuine way of being like,
"Look, I'm not, I'm a Faithful."
432
00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:13,735
Like "What you're saying
is not right."
433
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:19,135
I kind of, off the back of that,
used just the excuse of, like,
434
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,095
knowing that his theory
was wrong, right?
435
00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:22,895
You know, it was the fact
that I was upstairs
436
00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:24,535
and I didn't see who had a shield.
437
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,015
And, obviously, that was all clone
very tactically.
438
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:28,095
Ancl it was a good theory.
439
00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:30,655
But, you know, as soon
as that happened, you just feel
440
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:35,135
the energy in the castle kind
of get turned against you.
441
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,095
So, you sensed that it might
have been your last day?
442
00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:40,015
Yeah, I knew it was my last clay.
I knew it was.
443
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,735
Ross, it was great watching you.
You were fantastic in the castle.
444
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,735
Thank you so much for coming
on Uncloaked.
445
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,175
But we're not done with you yet
446
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,655
because we have another special
guest on this episode.
447
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,295
But before we bring her in, let's
watch the moment that Zack
448
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,055
gets called out for his
mother-and-son theory.
449
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,415
So, Zack, hold on.
450
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,255
I've been hearing some rumours.
451
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,655
Oh, yeah? Go on? You think that my
son's in this game?
452
00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:07,775
I just think you and Paul look
a little bit alike.
453
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,855
I think you've got the same eyes.
The two gingers.
454
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,175
I dye my hair red.
455
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:15,335
I think Paul looks quite Irish,
too. He does, actually, yeah.
456
00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:17,175
Diane, are you hiding something?
457
00:21:18,120 --> 00:21:19,615
LAUGHTER
458
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,935
And she's here with us now, back on
Uncloaked, it's Diane!
459
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WHOOPING AND APPLAUSE
460
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,175
Welcome back, Diane.
Thank you.
461
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,895
That was that was a wonderful
moment.
462
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,775
I love that moment, especially
as you were totally across what Zack
463
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,775
had said, that he thought Paul
was your son, but obviously
464
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,815
you hadn't heard, Ross?
First time. First time.
465
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,215
So, you were you were completely
behind and you were like,
466
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,415
"Oh, no, the game's up.
We've been rumbled."
467
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,375
Yeah. Well, yeah, to a degree.
It was more just shock.
468
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,175
But also, Mum gets
a little twinkle in her eye
469
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,135
so you know when she's just
having a joke.
470
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,455
So I just had to very quickly cotton
on to the fact that,
471
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,095
you know, it was Paul and not me.
But, yeah, very much.
472
00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:57,775
You can see the surprise in my face.
I'm just like...
473
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,895
But equally, though, I deliberately
474
00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:03,135
did it when he was in the room
because I found out that if you tell
475
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,215
a story and Ross isn't in the room,
then it could backfire on me
476
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,095
because he might tell the
same story
477
00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:11,695
and then, "How does Ross have the
same story as Diane?
478
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,215
"That's very weird." Of course.
479
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,695
So, it was also deliberately done
because it was quite...
480
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,215
I mean, it's quite stressful talking
about something
481
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,135
and you're not in the room, and then
I had to make sure
482
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,575
that I repeated the story.
483
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,415
So I didn't do that deliberately
to catch you out.
484
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,655
Ancl you've also got to try
and land the line, as well.
485
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,135
Because you are under stress
and if you're trying to make a bit
486
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,095
of a joke or whatever, you know,
just like the roast dinner line,
487
00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:36,535
I could have delivered it so much
better. But there's a lot of stress
488
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,495
when you're delivering
something like that.
489
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,335
So, you know, it doesn't quite
come out like you want it
490
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:42,815
and you're trying to have a joke.
491
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,015
But I love those little moments
because, personally,
492
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,575
if I was in that situation, I'd be
so worried about it coming out
493
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,095
that I wouldn't be brave enough
494
00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:51,415
to start throwing
around jokes in there.
495
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,495
No, but we weren't until Paul
was brought up as my son.
496
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,455
And then I thought,
"This is fabulous."
497
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,895
Because then somebody might have
said, Ross,
498
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:01,975
and I'd have gone,
"Yeah, yeah, he's my son."
499
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,815
"Ash is my sister.
Kyra's my brother."
500
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,615
You know, "I'll just take you all
on." So, that would have been OK.
501
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,295
As soon as the Paul thing
happened, I relaxed.
502
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,415
I thought it was such a good
decision, though,
503
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,775
and you guys had so much fun with
it. I do, particularly.
504
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:16,775
It's one of my favourite
moments of the series.
505
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,015
It's after you had gone, Diane...
Thanks. ..and Ross was...
506
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,615
Thank God you went because, frankly,
507
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,335
I've been enjoying it so much
more since.
508
00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:25,735
It was Ross in the car.
509
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,935
Now we've already showed this clip,
but you're going to love this.
510
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:30,575
Let's have another look.
511
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,695
Diane would be looking
down on us now.
512
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,375
IRISH ACCENT:
"Go get that Traitors guy."
513
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,175
LAUGHTER
"Go get the Traitors now."
514
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,535
IRISH ACCENT: "Absolutely!"
515
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,695
I love her! She was like my mum.
No, no, she WAS my mum.
516
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,415
She was my mum first. My mum first!
No, stop it.
517
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,295
My mum.
518
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,815
Oh, the fourth wall.
519
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,095
Amazing. Outstanding. So good.
520
00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:55,215
What I want to know, is that the
only time you did that
521
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,735
or is that the only one they show?
522
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,455
Were you just winking at every
camera?
523
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,215
That's the only one they showed.
524
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,975
But, you know, even
that wink, I'm looking at it, going,
525
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,135
"Oh, I could have delivered
that better."
526
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,495
But it's a lot of pressure.
There's just a lot of pressure
527
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,855
when you're trying to do
all those little sneaky things.
528
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,295
No, it was fantastic.
It was a real highlight.
529
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,975
Now, we do want to talk about the
funeral. I think particularly
530
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,215
Elizabeth is desperate to talk
about the funeral. Yes!
531
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,575
I do have questions about
the funeral written down here,
532
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,455
but I'm just going to hand
over to Elizabeth
533
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,535
because she's absolutely gagging
to talk about the funeral.
534
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,855
I found it so profoundly moving.
535
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,015
I didn't understand
what was wrong.
536
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,575
Like, I was welling up.
537
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,735
That moment when you went across,
and you saw your beloved mum
538
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,575
in a coffin, and you whispered
"Bye" to him,
539
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,615
I found I was genuinely
about to cry.
540
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,255
What is that experience
like for both of you?
541
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,375
I was ready to text
my siblings being, like,
542
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,655
"|t's finally happened, guys.
It's happened."
543
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,255
No more roasts!
Yes, the clay has come.
544
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,895
Ancl then, when she appeared, when I
left, I was going, "Oh, fuck."
545
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,295
You know when you went, "Yes!",
546
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,215
when Sonja revealed
she was a Faithful?
547
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,255
I wanted you to do that
when the coffin lid shut.
548
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,335
"Yes! Party time!"
549
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:08,975
In all seriousness, it was a mixture
of emotions cos, you know,
550
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,215
at the end of the clay,
you are seeing your mum
551
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,295
getting put in a coffin.
552
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,935
You shouldn't have winked.
I think that was a mistake.
553
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,655
Yeah, it was an odd choice.
554
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,895
Ancl hindsight's a wonderful
thing, isn't it?
555
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,055
But, you know, it was a mixture of,
one, because obviously,
556
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,415
as well, it's still a secret,
right, at this point?
557
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,535
So, you kind of have...
But it is emotional.
558
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,895
But then, at the same time,
you can't show too much emotion
559
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,015
because then, the other contestants
are going to be, like,
560
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,775
"Why is Ross crying?"
561
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,335
Like, "I didn't know him
and Diane were so close."
562
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:39,375
And also, when I was in the coffin,
I knew.
563
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,295
So, I was waiting for him to look
over and I wanted to say,
564
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:43,895
"Love ||
565
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,575
but I didn't want to move my...
566
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,775
Aww! I know this does sound
mental... No, it doesn't.
567
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,775
...move my mouth twice,
there would have been two words.
568
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,895
So, "Love, you."
Whereas, "Bye."
569
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,855
I could do that and I wouldn't be
noticed because
570
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,335
I'm still, like,
"Oh, my God," you know?
571
00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:00,455
And then you thought I'd said,
"Miles" anyway.
572
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,815
So he didn't even think I'd said
"Bye". "Miles", her dying words!
573
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,975
Yeah, yeah. I was like, "Miles?"
Like, "ls that your actual son?"
574
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,375
Yeah, exactly.
575
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,175
So, you know, and when I went away,
I had all these weird theories
576
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,575
about who had actually done
it because I still wasn't sure
577
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,295
it was Miles. And then, I thought,
"Shit, I've left him there
578
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,935
"with some Traitors.
I could have warned him."
579
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,735
Then I got cross about that
because it is mental, this game.
580
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,055
Now, Diane, you're something
of a fan favourite.
581
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,615
Very, very popular online.
582
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,455
But did you know you're actually sat
in the room with one of your biggest
583
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,735
fans apart from your own son?
584
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,495
If you just want to turn around,
because |vo's had something made.
585
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,975
He didn't know you were going
to be on this episode, but, lvo,
586
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,535
would you like to reveal to Diane?
587
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,495
I've been wearing it since clay
one. "But Ross is."
588
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,815
Oh, my God, could you not have got
a nicer photograph?
589
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,775
If you don't like this photograph,
you're not going to enjoy the rest
590
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,375
of your life, because
this is you forever.
591
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,735
We've talked about the Sunday
roast thing a little bit,
592
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,455
but you've been having quite a lot
of fun with that online, Diane.
593
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,855
So, let's just have a look at this
picture that you posted.
594
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,255
Wonderful.
595
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,655
That's going to be on my T-shirt.
596
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,575
Yeah, that's a better picture
of me, that's OK. Yeah.
597
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,815
This looks like a restaurant.
Is this your house?
598
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,375
That's my house, in the middle
of building work. Very lovely.
599
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,735
I do need to know, though,
Ross, what is it
600
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,775
that makes Diane's roasts so poor?
601
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,335
Wow, you really went there, Alex?
602
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:21,095
I'm curious.
603
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:23,895
You know he's talking shit, don't
you? They're excellent!
604
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,895
I'm absolutely not. No, listen.
605
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,695
The roast potatoes, ten out of ten.
Yeah, they look good.
606
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,935
They are good. They're the hardest
part to get right.
607
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,615
Her roast potatoes are good
because she just deep-fat fries them
608
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,535
and it's just be clone with
it, deep-fat fried.
609
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,735
So, they they're chips?
They're just big chunky chips.
610
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,215
They're parboiled first, come on!
611
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,255
But, you know like there's
certain people, you know,
612
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,695
who like their steak medium-rare,
medium, whatever?
613
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,295
Mum loves hers well clone.
614
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,895
So, like, that kind of tells
you all you need to know.
615
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,975
Good with chicken, though.
The turkey's dry, the chicken.
616
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,215
The roast beef's excellent though.
617
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,975
Yeah, the roast beef's good.
She cremates it, you know?
618
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,855
We are going to continue the chat
over on BBC Sounds now, of course,
619
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,655
where we'll be playing a little game
with Diane and Ross to see how well
620
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,335
they really know each other.
621
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,255
It's all in the bonus episode
of Uncloaked,
622
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,815
available on BBC Sounds right now.
623
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,655
A massive thanks to Elizabeth,
Alex, Diane, lvo and Ross.
624
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,335
Thank you so much for joining me
tonight
625
00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:18,375
and thank you very much
for watching.
626
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,335
Don't forget, if you want to play
along at home, you can submit
627
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:23,695
your own predictions via
The Traitors Prediction Game.
628
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,255
just go to bbc.co.uk/traitors
and give it a go.
629
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,415
The Traitors: Uncloaked
will be back tomorrow.
630
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,495
We are nearing the end of
an absolutely incredible series
631
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,215
and I, for one, cannot wait
to see what happens.
632
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,215
I've been Ed Gamble, stay Faithful!
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