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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:49,149 --> 00:00:51,251 Say your name and what your relationship 2 00:00:51,385 --> 00:00:53,287 is to Margaret Moth. 3 00:00:54,354 --> 00:00:55,723 Oh, that's tough. 4 00:00:57,825 --> 00:00:59,761 My name is Jeff Russi... 5 00:01:01,295 --> 00:01:04,064 ...and Margaret was my first girlfriend. 6 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,603 I was 17 and she was 30. 7 00:01:09,571 --> 00:01:11,806 And I ran away from home, joined the circus. 8 00:01:14,976 --> 00:01:17,444 Who was Margaret in the circus? 9 00:01:19,013 --> 00:01:21,181 She was a lion tamer. 10 00:01:23,183 --> 00:01:25,452 She was the queen of the night. 11 00:01:26,788 --> 00:01:28,890 Okay, what character are you? 12 00:01:29,023 --> 00:01:30,257 Mm... 13 00:01:31,826 --> 00:01:33,895 Oh, I'm one of the clowns, for sure. 14 00:03:38,418 --> 00:03:39,453 So, the first assignment 15 00:03:39,587 --> 00:03:40,822 I had with Margaret 16 00:03:40,955 --> 00:03:42,156 was in Baghdad. 17 00:03:43,223 --> 00:03:46,293 I was a few years into being a correspondent, 18 00:03:46,426 --> 00:03:48,696 and part of me wanted out. 19 00:03:48,830 --> 00:03:49,697 I was sick of it. 20 00:03:50,031 --> 00:03:52,332 I was kind of heartbroken with the cruelty, 21 00:03:52,466 --> 00:03:55,136 and I got heartbroken with innocent people 22 00:03:55,268 --> 00:03:56,938 going through... 23 00:03:57,071 --> 00:03:58,806 awful, awful stuff. 24 00:03:59,707 --> 00:04:02,910 But Margaret didn't seem to feel the same way. 25 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:06,647 For better or for worse, 26 00:04:06,781 --> 00:04:08,415 war is an amazing feeling. 27 00:04:08,549 --> 00:04:09,650 Mind blowing. 28 00:04:11,552 --> 00:04:12,820 Where is everyone? 29 00:04:12,954 --> 00:04:14,021 You've never experienced 30 00:04:14,155 --> 00:04:15,422 anything like this. 31 00:04:15,556 --> 00:04:16,924 It's an emotional, psychological, 32 00:04:17,058 --> 00:04:18,760 sensory explosion. 33 00:04:22,462 --> 00:04:23,998 Nothing compares. 34 00:04:26,134 --> 00:04:27,300 Keep going. 35 00:04:27,434 --> 00:04:28,770 Like this. 36 00:04:29,837 --> 00:04:32,339 Margaret got a little bit excited by it. 37 00:04:35,109 --> 00:04:38,146 Any such experiences or emotions, 38 00:04:38,278 --> 00:04:39,781 Margaret drank up. 39 00:04:41,048 --> 00:04:42,517 She just drank 'em up. 40 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:48,556 She was fearless. 41 00:04:51,659 --> 00:04:53,161 She was always cool-headed. 42 00:04:53,861 --> 00:04:55,930 She had a sense of not just a pretty pictures, 43 00:04:56,063 --> 00:04:57,430 but of sort of the reality here, 44 00:04:57,565 --> 00:05:00,001 the messy, human reality of war. 45 00:05:01,936 --> 00:05:03,271 And she'd get that in the shot. 46 00:05:08,075 --> 00:05:10,443 She was calm, collected, 47 00:05:10,578 --> 00:05:11,813 but she was on. 48 00:05:13,781 --> 00:05:15,817 She was recording history. 49 00:05:34,101 --> 00:05:35,468 Across the Gulf Coast, 50 00:05:35,603 --> 00:05:37,572 you can't sing the part company with the rain. 51 00:05:50,551 --> 00:05:51,886 I was a straight 'A' student 52 00:05:52,019 --> 00:05:53,788 and sold weed at Westbury High School, 53 00:05:53,921 --> 00:05:56,489 the highest academic school in Houston. 54 00:05:58,192 --> 00:05:59,927 I did work at the Pizza Restaurant. 55 00:06:00,061 --> 00:06:03,396 That was like 25 feet away from her front door. 56 00:06:04,999 --> 00:06:06,934 This guy named John, he came down and asked around. 57 00:06:07,335 --> 00:06:10,403 He said, "Is anybody selling acid or weed or whatever." 58 00:06:10,538 --> 00:06:13,107 And they pointed to me, you know. 59 00:06:13,241 --> 00:06:14,775 So, ran upstairs... 60 00:06:16,244 --> 00:06:18,679 Walk in, it's a tiny little space. 61 00:06:18,813 --> 00:06:21,182 And there was peacock feathers and old paintings 62 00:06:21,315 --> 00:06:23,450 and antique furniture, Danish oak. 63 00:06:24,151 --> 00:06:26,187 And she's sitting at the table, 64 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:27,889 and she's smoking a pipe. 65 00:06:29,223 --> 00:06:31,525 And that was the first time I met Margaret Moth. 66 00:06:36,297 --> 00:06:37,899 She was so exotic. 67 00:06:40,668 --> 00:06:42,937 I thought she was a gypsy fortune teller. 68 00:06:45,873 --> 00:06:47,842 She said she was from New Zealand. 69 00:06:47,975 --> 00:06:50,144 You know, if you'd asked me where New Zealand was, 70 00:06:50,278 --> 00:06:51,512 and then spun the globe, 71 00:06:51,646 --> 00:06:53,080 there was no way. 72 00:06:53,214 --> 00:06:55,049 Like, I had no idea where New Zealand was. 73 00:06:55,182 --> 00:06:57,417 I didn't even know it was off the coast of Australia. 74 00:06:59,220 --> 00:07:02,156 She was the first camera woman for Television New Zealand. 75 00:07:06,827 --> 00:07:08,629 I mean, she was just too cool for me. 76 00:07:08,763 --> 00:07:09,997 That's for sure. 77 00:07:12,767 --> 00:07:14,402 I was so geeky, 78 00:07:14,535 --> 00:07:15,870 tripping over my shoe strings 79 00:07:16,003 --> 00:07:17,772 and making straight 'A's. 80 00:07:17,905 --> 00:07:20,341 And I had no idea that anybody would have thought 81 00:07:20,473 --> 00:07:22,143 I was attractive or anything. 82 00:07:22,276 --> 00:07:25,079 And then she started spinning this weird tale all that. 83 00:07:25,212 --> 00:07:27,748 Now, I was this really cute guy. 84 00:07:28,783 --> 00:07:30,518 We got together in the summer 85 00:07:30,651 --> 00:07:32,820 between my 11th and 12th grade, 86 00:07:32,954 --> 00:07:34,956 your last year of high school. 87 00:07:36,456 --> 00:07:38,526 I never went to 12th grade. 88 00:07:40,061 --> 00:07:41,696 I forgot that it was even happening. 89 00:07:43,965 --> 00:07:46,200 As soon as I started hanging out with Margaret, 90 00:07:46,334 --> 00:07:47,368 things changed. 91 00:07:47,935 --> 00:07:49,303 Partied our asses off. 92 00:07:49,437 --> 00:07:51,872 I mean, it turned my life upside down. 93 00:07:52,940 --> 00:07:55,142 I mean, I was one of the coolest kids in town then. 94 00:07:55,276 --> 00:07:56,811 It was weird. 95 00:07:56,944 --> 00:07:58,746 I just started staying in her house. 96 00:07:59,780 --> 00:08:01,882 I remember her giving me a drawer. 97 00:08:02,516 --> 00:08:03,951 Such a big day, you know. 98 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:07,888 She was an alien to me. 99 00:08:08,622 --> 00:08:12,159 And the alien said, "Hey, want to do some acid?" 100 00:08:18,666 --> 00:08:20,568 We did acid every weekend. 101 00:08:21,969 --> 00:08:23,938 We were always tripping. 102 00:08:28,209 --> 00:08:30,745 Margaret was an experienced traveller. 103 00:08:30,878 --> 00:08:33,481 She got out there. She went a long way out. 104 00:08:33,614 --> 00:08:34,615 She was like, 105 00:08:34,749 --> 00:08:35,983 "I don't know 106 00:08:36,117 --> 00:08:37,852 how we're going to get back to Earth." 107 00:08:41,889 --> 00:08:43,724 Skating was huge for us. 108 00:08:44,525 --> 00:08:47,328 So there was a big group of skaters in Houston called 109 00:08:47,461 --> 00:08:48,729 The Urban Animals. 110 00:08:50,364 --> 00:08:53,467 They were into different drugs. 111 00:08:53,601 --> 00:08:55,069 They were the heroin crowd. 112 00:08:55,736 --> 00:08:57,872 And we were speed crowd. 113 00:08:59,807 --> 00:09:01,976 Friday we would go to the punk club. 114 00:09:02,109 --> 00:09:04,378 The one punk club in town in Houston, Texas, 115 00:09:04,513 --> 00:09:05,746 called The Island. 116 00:09:07,782 --> 00:09:09,583 And then on a Saturday morning, 117 00:09:09,717 --> 00:09:11,619 we'd get up and go skydiving. 118 00:09:13,921 --> 00:09:15,423 My father had photographs 119 00:09:15,556 --> 00:09:17,158 of paratroopers during the war. 120 00:09:17,291 --> 00:09:18,893 But I never realized then that civilians could jump. 121 00:09:19,026 --> 00:09:20,394 And it was my big ambition 122 00:09:20,529 --> 00:09:21,862 when I was a kid, to be a paratrooper. 123 00:09:24,165 --> 00:09:27,502 If somebody got boring, they're gone, for sure. 124 00:09:28,269 --> 00:09:29,870 So it doesn't matter 125 00:09:30,004 --> 00:09:31,572 how close it comes to this and jumping. 126 00:09:31,705 --> 00:09:34,075 It just never seems bad when you're actually doing it. 127 00:09:34,208 --> 00:09:36,243 Today, I'm just going to be having a lot of fun. 128 00:09:38,946 --> 00:09:40,314 To Margaret, you know, that's right. 129 00:09:40,448 --> 00:09:41,482 If they were with the Ten Commandments, 130 00:09:41,615 --> 00:09:42,917 "Don't be boring." 131 00:09:44,452 --> 00:09:45,753 She had a good time 132 00:09:45,886 --> 00:09:48,022 and she took everybody along with her. 133 00:09:48,155 --> 00:09:50,858 You know, nothing was out of bounds. 134 00:09:52,359 --> 00:09:54,361 I mean, we had an open relationship 135 00:09:54,495 --> 00:09:55,596 from the very beginning. 136 00:09:59,300 --> 00:10:02,603 She just had a network of guys that she dealt with. 137 00:10:03,471 --> 00:10:05,039 She played the field. 138 00:10:06,307 --> 00:10:07,808 But I never doubted for a minute 139 00:10:07,942 --> 00:10:09,176 that she wasn't in love with me 140 00:10:09,310 --> 00:10:11,011 or that I wasn't in love with her. 141 00:10:13,380 --> 00:10:15,749 K-H-O-U-T-V, Houston. 142 00:10:17,084 --> 00:10:19,320 Back in 1984, 143 00:10:19,453 --> 00:10:23,290 I was interned by K-H-O-U in Houston, Texas. 144 00:10:24,959 --> 00:10:28,395 And, one afternoon, I was sitting at the desk 145 00:10:28,662 --> 00:10:30,965 and I looked across the newsroom, 146 00:10:31,098 --> 00:10:35,336 and this woman with spiky jet black hair walked in, 147 00:10:35,469 --> 00:10:37,972 and it just totally caught my attention. 148 00:10:38,739 --> 00:10:40,074 She became my good friend, 149 00:10:40,207 --> 00:10:42,776 and we started going' out and partying quite a bit. 150 00:10:49,016 --> 00:10:52,253 She looked so rock and roll 24-7. 151 00:10:52,853 --> 00:10:54,088 She was always, 152 00:10:54,221 --> 00:10:56,257 you know, Joan Jett's big sister. 153 00:10:57,057 --> 00:10:58,759 Pilots for Eastern Airlines 154 00:10:58,893 --> 00:11:00,961 write up a new contract, but they aren't looking... 155 00:11:01,095 --> 00:11:02,496 She was working in what they call 156 00:11:02,631 --> 00:11:03,831 the Southwest Bureau. 157 00:11:03,964 --> 00:11:06,100 So it was a lot of politics. 158 00:11:07,268 --> 00:11:08,936 She wasn't interested in politics. 159 00:11:09,069 --> 00:11:10,905 She wasn't interested in shooting politician 160 00:11:11,038 --> 00:11:12,940 holding a news conference. 161 00:11:13,073 --> 00:11:15,409 Margaret preferred to go out on a hurricane 162 00:11:16,043 --> 00:11:18,145 and chase a hurricane. 163 00:11:18,279 --> 00:11:20,381 That was the kind of assignment Margaret wanted. 164 00:11:22,316 --> 00:11:24,051 That's the kind of assignment that she volunteered for. 165 00:11:26,588 --> 00:11:29,356 She wanted to be where the shit was happening. 166 00:11:29,490 --> 00:11:33,294 And in her mind, that place was behind a news camera. 167 00:11:36,030 --> 00:11:37,731 You know, she's got a bazooka on her shoulder. 168 00:11:38,966 --> 00:11:40,701 You better watch out. 169 00:11:42,236 --> 00:11:43,971 Now, Dan's going to have complete report 170 00:11:44,104 --> 00:11:45,439 on that, a little later in the program... 171 00:11:45,574 --> 00:11:47,274 I mean, this is Houston, Texas. 172 00:11:47,408 --> 00:11:49,043 I mean, they were like, you know, 173 00:11:49,176 --> 00:11:52,213 right-wing, Republican conservatives, you know, 174 00:11:52,346 --> 00:11:54,949 a female cameraman in a male-dominated world. 175 00:11:55,584 --> 00:11:57,885 That definitely gave her a charge. 176 00:11:58,018 --> 00:11:59,720 She did what she wanted. 177 00:11:59,853 --> 00:12:01,055 She dressed the way she wanted. 178 00:12:01,188 --> 00:12:03,123 She said whatever she wanted, 179 00:12:03,257 --> 00:12:05,859 and it was something that people were in awe of. 180 00:12:07,696 --> 00:12:08,996 I was fascinated. 181 00:12:09,129 --> 00:12:11,298 How could this person be so different? 182 00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:13,767 I'd ask her things about her past 183 00:12:13,901 --> 00:12:15,402 and she said, "I don't remember." 184 00:12:15,537 --> 00:12:16,770 You know, "What about your family? 185 00:12:16,904 --> 00:12:17,838 What about your dad?" 186 00:12:17,972 --> 00:12:19,373 "I don't remember." 187 00:12:20,307 --> 00:12:22,443 And that just added to her mystique to me. 188 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,983 The only thing she ever told me about herself 189 00:12:29,116 --> 00:12:31,553 was that she had had to go to court 190 00:12:31,686 --> 00:12:33,087 to get her tubes tied... 191 00:12:34,054 --> 00:12:35,523 to get herself sterilized. 192 00:12:37,858 --> 00:12:39,760 She said, "I'm not a breeder. 193 00:12:39,893 --> 00:12:41,362 I want nothing to do with that." 194 00:12:43,998 --> 00:12:46,200 Her only motto was, "No regrets." 195 00:12:48,002 --> 00:12:49,336 She didn't look back. 196 00:12:52,473 --> 00:12:55,042 In 1980, CNN revolutionized 197 00:12:55,175 --> 00:12:57,311 the way the world watches news. 198 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,446 7 This news service will be called 199 00:12:59,581 --> 00:13:00,715 The Cable News Network 200 00:13:00,848 --> 00:13:03,217 and will program 24 hours a day. 201 00:13:03,350 --> 00:13:04,918 CNN was the shit right then. 202 00:13:05,052 --> 00:13:07,488 I mean, it was the shit. 203 00:13:07,622 --> 00:13:09,323 For the moment, the iron fist 204 00:13:09,456 --> 00:13:10,958 of the People's Liberation Army 205 00:13:11,091 --> 00:13:13,060 has come down on Tiananmen Square 206 00:13:13,193 --> 00:13:14,596 in the heart of Beijing. 207 00:13:14,729 --> 00:13:17,331 You know, they had an impact. 208 00:13:20,834 --> 00:13:25,205 By showing the world the impact of war, 209 00:13:25,906 --> 00:13:29,810 our world was better informed. 210 00:13:31,746 --> 00:13:33,213 This was a new era. 211 00:13:33,414 --> 00:13:37,184 Women were emerging as strong, strong professionals 212 00:13:37,318 --> 00:13:39,086 in the field of photojournalism. 213 00:13:40,287 --> 00:13:42,791 And there was a kick-ass spirit to Margaret. 214 00:13:43,357 --> 00:13:46,460 And Margaret was always looking for an opportunity. 215 00:13:48,195 --> 00:13:49,897 They picked her up. 216 00:13:50,030 --> 00:13:52,132 She was just a perfect candidate. 217 00:13:55,102 --> 00:13:56,771 When she got the job with CNN 218 00:13:56,904 --> 00:13:58,773 and she said she was going to work at the Dallas bureau, 219 00:13:58,906 --> 00:14:00,341 it was like, "Ah, fuck." 220 00:14:04,278 --> 00:14:06,480 So I just assumed I would move to Dallas. 221 00:14:08,148 --> 00:14:09,684 You know, I'd visit, 222 00:14:09,818 --> 00:14:12,353 but she didn't ever want me, to like, move there. 223 00:14:14,888 --> 00:14:16,990 When Margaret and I met, I was writing songs. 224 00:14:17,124 --> 00:14:18,693 I mean, I had this little notebook 225 00:14:18,827 --> 00:14:21,028 of songs that I took everywhere I went. 226 00:14:23,430 --> 00:14:26,400 And I'm certainly writing songs for her. 227 00:14:28,402 --> 00:14:30,037 First love of my life. 228 00:14:32,807 --> 00:14:34,375 I handed her my book one time, 229 00:14:34,509 --> 00:14:36,176 and I said, you know, "What do you think?" 230 00:14:36,310 --> 00:14:37,645 She just, like, flat out said, 231 00:14:37,779 --> 00:14:40,314 "It sounds kind of trite to me." 232 00:14:41,616 --> 00:14:43,384 I mean, that was a shock. 233 00:14:45,419 --> 00:14:48,922 And I didn't write another word as a lyric for years. 234 00:14:54,796 --> 00:14:56,296 I'm Lou Waters. Hello. 235 00:14:56,430 --> 00:14:58,365 The world is in the midst of a tense waiting game, 236 00:14:58,499 --> 00:15:00,769 waiting to find out if and when there will be war 237 00:15:00,901 --> 00:15:02,269 in the Persian Gulf. 238 00:15:10,344 --> 00:15:12,847 So far, defensive is progressing 239 00:15:12,980 --> 00:15:14,915 with dramatic success. 240 00:15:16,049 --> 00:15:17,519 The troops are doing a great job. 241 00:15:17,652 --> 00:15:19,754 I can hear the sound of planes... 242 00:15:20,855 --> 00:15:23,323 Her first war was Desert Storm. 243 00:15:23,457 --> 00:15:25,693 More than one billion heavily armed men 244 00:15:25,827 --> 00:15:28,596 sent to confront one another in the Gulf. 245 00:15:33,100 --> 00:15:34,067 We have been watching 246 00:15:34,201 --> 00:15:35,870 an incredible display 247 00:15:36,003 --> 00:15:37,705 of anti-aircraft firing. 248 00:15:38,773 --> 00:15:42,544 She got on so well with military people, 249 00:15:43,177 --> 00:15:44,512 because she was so ballsy. 250 00:15:45,345 --> 00:15:48,081 General Schwarzkopf took a liking to her, 251 00:15:48,215 --> 00:15:51,051 and they smoked cigars in the evening. 252 00:15:54,121 --> 00:15:56,323 And she was there in the war zone. 253 00:15:57,057 --> 00:15:58,827 That's where she felt the most comfortable. 254 00:15:58,959 --> 00:16:02,329 I think that's where she knew she was who she was. 255 00:16:05,299 --> 00:16:06,701 At a certain point, 256 00:16:07,502 --> 00:16:10,705 sex, drugs, and rock and roll just wasn't enough. 257 00:16:14,475 --> 00:16:15,944 War was the ultimate drug. 258 00:16:16,644 --> 00:16:18,546 Desert Storm was where she made it. 259 00:16:21,381 --> 00:16:23,116 Her dream had come true. 260 00:16:30,859 --> 00:16:33,060 Yes, one, two, three, four, five, you hear me. 261 00:16:33,193 --> 00:16:36,664 People were quite intimidated by Margaret Moth. 262 00:16:36,798 --> 00:16:37,966 Even I was. 263 00:16:38,098 --> 00:16:40,467 Christiane Amanpour, CNN, Sarajevo. 264 00:16:40,768 --> 00:16:43,170 You know, in Sarajevo, she used to sleep with her boots 265 00:16:43,303 --> 00:16:45,305 and her black combat trousers on. 266 00:16:45,439 --> 00:16:46,774 You know, I'm like, "Margaret..." 267 00:16:46,908 --> 00:16:48,743 and she's, "Oh, no, I've got to be ready." 268 00:16:50,945 --> 00:16:52,647 Margaret had a wish to show 269 00:16:52,847 --> 00:16:56,551 the story as she saw it in the raw. 270 00:16:56,684 --> 00:16:58,686 A community, united in grief... 271 00:16:58,820 --> 00:17:01,388 She was a very serious camerawoman. 272 00:17:02,624 --> 00:17:04,458 She liked to get in tight. 273 00:17:04,592 --> 00:17:06,761 When she went in, she went in tight. 274 00:17:09,564 --> 00:17:11,900 Margaret was very switched on. 275 00:17:12,032 --> 00:17:14,201 She was like a whole package. 276 00:17:15,035 --> 00:17:16,638 Uncompromising. 277 00:17:16,771 --> 00:17:18,338 That's what I liked. 278 00:17:18,472 --> 00:17:20,274 Didn't faff around. 279 00:17:20,407 --> 00:17:21,643 Didn't suck up to people. 280 00:17:21,776 --> 00:17:24,111 And was very good at what she did. 281 00:17:25,813 --> 00:17:29,116 She had a natural, physical, and mental fortitude 282 00:17:29,249 --> 00:17:31,653 that needed to find expression. 283 00:17:31,786 --> 00:17:34,488 And in danger, going into war zones. 284 00:17:35,489 --> 00:17:38,526 The way she could just not sleep for days 285 00:17:38,660 --> 00:17:41,461 and also she could go without food, 286 00:17:41,596 --> 00:17:43,497 it wasn't normal for a person 287 00:17:43,631 --> 00:17:45,399 to have that kind of endurance. 288 00:17:45,533 --> 00:17:47,035 And I remember looking at her, like, 289 00:17:47,167 --> 00:17:48,836 "Don't you ever get tired?" 290 00:17:48,970 --> 00:17:50,004 She's like, "No." 291 00:17:52,707 --> 00:17:55,810 It made her perfect for covering war. 292 00:17:56,711 --> 00:17:58,980 Margaret never made anything about being a female. 293 00:17:59,112 --> 00:18:00,582 She just did it. 294 00:18:01,448 --> 00:18:03,051 You know, she'd get comments and things, 295 00:18:03,183 --> 00:18:04,117 but I mean, she just... 296 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:06,854 "Look at me. Here's the camera." 297 00:18:06,988 --> 00:18:08,623 "This is what I do." You know. 298 00:18:08,756 --> 00:18:10,190 Three Iraqi soldiers today 299 00:18:10,324 --> 00:18:11,659 were captured at a roadblock, 300 00:18:11,793 --> 00:18:13,528 manned by the Kuwaiti resistance. 301 00:18:13,661 --> 00:18:16,698 We didn't have things like Instagram and social media 302 00:18:16,831 --> 00:18:18,198 and, you know, iPhones. 303 00:18:18,332 --> 00:18:21,335 What was happening that particular day 304 00:18:21,468 --> 00:18:23,671 caused us to follow that story. 305 00:18:26,074 --> 00:18:28,009 You always wanted somebody like Margaret 306 00:18:28,141 --> 00:18:29,611 with you in the field. 307 00:18:29,744 --> 00:18:32,179 Her camera is an extension for herself. 308 00:18:32,780 --> 00:18:36,350 So she's drawn to the story, through the camera, 309 00:18:36,483 --> 00:18:37,885 and she just follows it. 310 00:18:39,186 --> 00:18:41,789 As a journalist, I had this romantic notion 311 00:18:41,923 --> 00:18:43,858 that we're supposed to make this a better place. 312 00:18:43,992 --> 00:18:45,158 We're supposed to bring up 313 00:18:45,292 --> 00:18:46,828 the good in every person and all that. 314 00:18:46,961 --> 00:18:48,963 She was more cynical. 315 00:18:49,097 --> 00:18:50,330 And I think for her, 316 00:18:51,099 --> 00:18:53,768 the photographs, the image, the video she captured 317 00:18:53,901 --> 00:18:55,603 was shoved in your face. 318 00:18:55,737 --> 00:18:56,904 "Here it is." 319 00:18:57,038 --> 00:18:58,405 And she had no more trouble with it than that. 320 00:18:58,539 --> 00:19:00,374 It was like, "Here it is. Take it." 321 00:19:01,441 --> 00:19:02,910 "This is your shit." 322 00:19:07,849 --> 00:19:09,851 Maybe it's not the best metaphor 323 00:19:09,984 --> 00:19:12,520 that Margaret's camera was a gun. 324 00:19:13,121 --> 00:19:15,089 It's more like a spotlight. 325 00:19:15,222 --> 00:19:20,460 She was shedding light on people behaving badly. 326 00:19:22,130 --> 00:19:24,732 The most valuable thing that she can imagine 327 00:19:24,866 --> 00:19:27,434 was being where history is being changed. 328 00:19:28,736 --> 00:19:30,303 But I could never follow her there. 329 00:19:38,646 --> 00:19:40,148 The BBC is reporting 330 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:41,516 that Iraq has fired 331 00:19:41,649 --> 00:19:44,152 five Scud missiles at Saudi Arabia. 332 00:19:44,819 --> 00:19:48,288 The Pentagon is now confirming 12 dead and 25 injured. 333 00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:37,370 Well. 334 00:20:46,547 --> 00:20:47,982 We have an air raid alert 335 00:20:48,116 --> 00:20:51,052 people are being taken to shelters. 336 00:21:46,107 --> 00:21:48,643 Kuwait is liberated. 337 00:21:48,776 --> 00:21:50,745 Iraq's army is defeated. 338 00:21:51,478 --> 00:21:53,815 Our military objectives are met. 339 00:23:11,491 --> 00:23:12,793 Yaschinka was just there. 340 00:23:12,927 --> 00:23:15,763 He wasn't a part of the long-term plan. 341 00:23:15,897 --> 00:23:19,000 He wasn't a part of her life, you know? 342 00:23:20,167 --> 00:23:24,105 When she came back to Houston, we did everything together. 343 00:23:25,573 --> 00:23:27,742 They had nothing like we had. 344 00:23:28,943 --> 00:23:30,978 I just knew he was a heroin addict. 345 00:23:31,112 --> 00:23:34,682 I said, "Wow, I mean... you're going out with a heroin a... 346 00:23:34,815 --> 00:23:36,717 Don't they just go to sleep 347 00:23:36,851 --> 00:23:39,053 and not want to have sex and all that?" 348 00:23:39,186 --> 00:23:41,355 And she said, "No, it's quite the opposite." 349 00:23:42,890 --> 00:23:44,525 So, when he would visit her in Dallas 350 00:23:44,659 --> 00:23:46,227 and they'd go, score some heroin 351 00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:47,995 and fuck all night. 352 00:23:48,763 --> 00:23:51,732 So it was like, speed was for us, you know. 353 00:23:51,866 --> 00:23:53,935 So she enjoyed that. 354 00:23:56,671 --> 00:23:58,806 It is different after that. 355 00:24:00,473 --> 00:24:01,509 She was different. 356 00:24:02,910 --> 00:24:04,444 She definitely wanted 357 00:24:04,578 --> 00:24:06,747 to be where people were doing something wrong... 358 00:24:09,417 --> 00:24:10,985 Where she had a purpose. 359 00:24:14,088 --> 00:24:16,489 CNN was just a different drug. 360 00:24:39,246 --> 00:24:41,148 Depending on your personality makeup, 361 00:24:41,282 --> 00:24:43,718 you may want to brag about war and call it... 362 00:24:43,851 --> 00:24:45,786 it's... it's intoxicating. 363 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,588 If you're like me, you don't want to glorify it 364 00:24:47,722 --> 00:24:49,056 'Cause it's just awful. 365 00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:50,524 It is awful. 366 00:24:50,958 --> 00:24:53,327 But that said, your experience of it 367 00:24:53,461 --> 00:24:56,864 is an incredibly complex concoction 368 00:24:57,497 --> 00:24:58,666 of adrenaline, 369 00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:00,434 this and that and upset and surge. 370 00:25:00,568 --> 00:25:03,371 And so you could be upset and excited at the same time. 371 00:25:03,504 --> 00:25:06,007 So, while I hate to glorify it, 372 00:25:06,140 --> 00:25:08,209 you also... It was kind of a rush. 373 00:25:09,543 --> 00:25:11,245 War is a tough job. 374 00:25:11,379 --> 00:25:13,180 And we self-medicate it. 375 00:25:15,383 --> 00:25:16,650 This is life and death. 376 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,748 If you talk to veterans, too, 377 00:25:47,882 --> 00:25:49,917 there were soldiers, they'll tell you the same thing. 378 00:25:50,051 --> 00:25:52,186 You come back to civilian life... 379 00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:54,889 and it's kind of lonely 380 00:25:55,022 --> 00:25:57,526 because nobody will understand your stories, 381 00:25:57,658 --> 00:26:02,363 the strange serotonin chemical level, 382 00:26:02,496 --> 00:26:04,098 adrenaline, all this stuff. 383 00:26:04,231 --> 00:26:05,566 Of course, you're trying to tell that story 384 00:26:05,699 --> 00:26:07,034 of that experience and they think 385 00:26:07,168 --> 00:26:08,769 you're telling a glory story and you're not. 386 00:26:08,903 --> 00:26:10,304 And it's very lonely. 387 00:26:51,045 --> 00:26:52,547 On the streets of Gagra, 388 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,281 the Ossetian battle for independence goes on. 389 00:26:54,415 --> 00:26:57,384 Desert storm has just ended. 390 00:26:57,519 --> 00:26:59,787 The Soviet Union was over. 391 00:27:00,754 --> 00:27:02,156 There was a civil war 392 00:27:02,289 --> 00:27:04,792 in the former Soviet Republic of Georgia. 393 00:27:05,659 --> 00:27:07,596 And the gunman, the militiamen, 394 00:27:07,728 --> 00:27:10,297 for the new government that was trying to take over, 395 00:27:10,431 --> 00:27:11,732 open fire on the crowd. 396 00:27:14,368 --> 00:27:15,870 When the firing started, 397 00:27:16,003 --> 00:27:19,373 the other cameraman ducked behind the cars, 398 00:27:19,508 --> 00:27:21,576 and trying to wait to see what shots they can get. 399 00:27:21,709 --> 00:27:24,912 And one cameraman, later on, back at the hotel, said to me, 400 00:27:25,045 --> 00:27:27,414 "I'm hiding behind the car to get out of the gunfire. 401 00:27:27,549 --> 00:27:29,850 And I suddenly see a shadow across my arms, 402 00:27:29,984 --> 00:27:31,785 and I think, 'what the hell,' I look up.... 403 00:27:31,919 --> 00:27:34,655 And there's Margaret, standing straight upright, 404 00:27:34,788 --> 00:27:37,758 not hiding behind the vehicles, filming the action." 405 00:27:40,828 --> 00:27:42,363 She got the only pictures, 406 00:27:42,496 --> 00:27:44,599 she's filming people going down as they get hit. 407 00:27:44,732 --> 00:27:46,867 The other cameraman people were kind of startled 408 00:27:47,001 --> 00:27:49,036 that she had the guts to just say, "Uh-oh." 409 00:27:49,170 --> 00:27:51,472 and step right out in the middle of it. 410 00:27:52,574 --> 00:27:55,843 She took huge chances with her life. 411 00:27:56,677 --> 00:27:59,079 She came across somebody that was a bully. 412 00:27:59,213 --> 00:28:00,848 Who are you? Who are you? 413 00:28:00,981 --> 00:28:03,552 She just took him down, 414 00:28:04,218 --> 00:28:06,954 and she did it because she had to. 415 00:28:09,624 --> 00:28:11,425 She just became fearless. 416 00:28:14,428 --> 00:28:15,763 And do you ever dream 417 00:28:15,896 --> 00:28:17,331 that anything could go wrong? 418 00:28:18,132 --> 00:28:21,936 No. No, I thought she was the indestructible. 419 00:28:27,374 --> 00:28:29,678 I remember driving around Baghdad. 420 00:28:29,810 --> 00:28:32,547 We stopped at the marketplace, a souk, 421 00:28:32,681 --> 00:28:33,914 and it was big and it was... 422 00:28:34,048 --> 00:28:36,050 there were stalls and this and oranges 423 00:28:36,183 --> 00:28:37,652 and cucumbers and... 424 00:28:37,785 --> 00:28:39,353 Margaret got out of the car. 425 00:28:41,188 --> 00:28:42,823 There are all these kids and they're all coming up 426 00:28:42,957 --> 00:28:44,925 and looking at Margaret and laughing and like, "Ho, ho!" 427 00:28:45,059 --> 00:28:47,562 she sees so... She's so wild to them. 428 00:28:48,229 --> 00:28:49,863 And the kids are all crowding into the shot, 429 00:28:49,997 --> 00:28:51,298 trying to get into the shot. 430 00:28:51,432 --> 00:28:53,167 Like 30, 40, 50 are crowding in. 431 00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:56,705 And I've never seen a human crowd act like gasoline. 432 00:28:57,438 --> 00:29:00,040 It's just like a... spreading. 433 00:29:00,808 --> 00:29:02,109 All of a sudden, out of the crowd 434 00:29:02,243 --> 00:29:04,111 emerges some plain clothesmen, 435 00:29:04,245 --> 00:29:06,548 and he wants to put a stop to it. 436 00:29:07,181 --> 00:29:08,749 He stupidly goes up to... 437 00:29:08,882 --> 00:29:11,952 front and front of Margaret and he pushes the camera away, 438 00:29:12,086 --> 00:29:13,354 and it bangs her on the nose. 439 00:29:13,487 --> 00:29:15,089 Her viewfinder bangs on the nose. 440 00:29:15,222 --> 00:29:17,825 She stands up and in front of hundreds of people 441 00:29:17,958 --> 00:29:20,995 in Saddam's Iraq, in Saddam's city, 442 00:29:21,128 --> 00:29:24,298 she goes, "Don't you ever...". 443 00:29:27,167 --> 00:29:28,703 I never... 444 00:29:28,836 --> 00:29:32,239 fully understood what was ticking inside of her. 445 00:29:35,109 --> 00:29:37,311 But I always felt that, my God, you know, 446 00:29:37,444 --> 00:29:39,380 there's a deep anger in there somewhere. 447 00:29:39,514 --> 00:29:42,383 I mean, you could sense that behind all of that, 448 00:29:42,517 --> 00:29:45,085 it came from a place of anger and defiance. 449 00:29:45,219 --> 00:29:46,954 You, know, when something sparked 450 00:29:47,087 --> 00:29:48,822 that kind of behaviour, 451 00:29:48,956 --> 00:29:50,291 it did make me wonder 452 00:29:50,424 --> 00:29:53,360 why she would be, you know, such a... 453 00:29:55,162 --> 00:29:57,064 such a change in character? 454 00:29:59,466 --> 00:30:01,402 Sometimes she would come home, 455 00:30:02,136 --> 00:30:03,804 and she would've encountered, like, 456 00:30:03,937 --> 00:30:05,906 what we call trigger episodes, 457 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,943 where she would... cry pretty spontaneously 458 00:30:10,077 --> 00:30:12,547 and non-stop for hours. 459 00:30:14,281 --> 00:30:15,583 That was terrifying. 460 00:30:16,651 --> 00:30:19,521 You know, I had this, like, person you care about 461 00:30:19,654 --> 00:30:23,190 that you've been around with and had so much intimacy with, 462 00:30:23,324 --> 00:30:25,359 You know, tears flowing, 463 00:30:25,492 --> 00:30:26,927 and she can't even bring herself 464 00:30:27,061 --> 00:30:28,829 to tell me one thing about it. 465 00:30:29,798 --> 00:30:31,131 What the fuck? 466 00:30:32,366 --> 00:30:34,335 When you're looking back, I can figure things out. 467 00:30:34,468 --> 00:30:36,437 I can put things together over the years, 468 00:30:36,571 --> 00:30:39,574 but back then, it was a total fucking mystery. 469 00:31:24,151 --> 00:31:26,120 There was something that she just didn't like 470 00:31:26,253 --> 00:31:29,356 about family traditional settings, 471 00:31:29,490 --> 00:31:32,292 and there were times when we would have Christmas dinner 472 00:31:32,426 --> 00:31:34,027 and it was, you know, friends. 473 00:31:34,662 --> 00:31:38,198 But Margaret preferred not to have kids around. 474 00:31:39,868 --> 00:31:42,302 Margaret's rocket fuel was anger. 475 00:31:44,905 --> 00:31:46,541 You never stopped sensing 476 00:31:46,674 --> 00:31:48,510 that somewhere in there, 477 00:31:48,643 --> 00:31:51,311 something was propelling her like a bat out of hell, 478 00:31:51,445 --> 00:31:54,915 out of her own past, her own childhood. 479 00:32:00,822 --> 00:32:03,424 We were hanging out, you know, in Houston 480 00:32:03,558 --> 00:32:06,694 and we're just, like, doing what we do around the table. 481 00:32:07,695 --> 00:32:09,463 I'd be playing my bass 482 00:32:11,098 --> 00:32:12,600 and she's started to draw... 483 00:32:21,543 --> 00:32:24,244 I mean, there's a nightmare for you. 484 00:32:25,580 --> 00:32:28,315 Who'd draw stuff like that, you know? 485 00:32:38,492 --> 00:32:41,395 It's come straight out of her childhood. 486 00:32:47,267 --> 00:32:49,403 You know, she was a terrified little girl 487 00:32:49,537 --> 00:32:51,639 asking somebody not to hurt her. 488 00:32:53,307 --> 00:32:54,943 But to me, the most significant thing 489 00:32:55,075 --> 00:32:57,812 in those sketches was that she drew herself 490 00:32:57,946 --> 00:33:00,280 with the black hair and the dark eyes 491 00:33:00,981 --> 00:33:02,483 when she was a child. 492 00:33:03,651 --> 00:33:06,721 Like, that she thought of herself that way, 493 00:33:06,855 --> 00:33:08,255 that long ago. 494 00:33:09,591 --> 00:33:12,292 She was actively rewriting her story 495 00:33:12,426 --> 00:33:15,162 while that trauma was still being visited on her. 496 00:33:18,499 --> 00:33:19,868 Margaret Moth was a character. 497 00:33:20,434 --> 00:33:22,002 Moth is not her last name. 498 00:33:22,135 --> 00:33:23,505 Her last name is Wilson. 499 00:33:24,772 --> 00:33:26,941 She had invented the entire thing 500 00:33:27,074 --> 00:33:28,342 a long time ago. 501 00:33:31,178 --> 00:33:32,279 She was a little blonde-haired, 502 00:33:32,412 --> 00:33:33,681 blue-eyed,12-year-old 503 00:33:33,815 --> 00:33:35,717 when she conceived of that look. 504 00:33:39,654 --> 00:33:43,725 Why she rejected her blonde, blue-eyed self? 505 00:33:45,158 --> 00:33:46,426 It was a mystery. 506 00:33:52,634 --> 00:33:55,135 We were never a close family. 507 00:33:56,403 --> 00:33:58,606 We were never told that we were loved, ever, 508 00:33:58,840 --> 00:33:59,974 by either parent. 509 00:34:01,074 --> 00:34:03,443 We never knew whether dad was gonna come home sober 510 00:34:03,578 --> 00:34:05,379 or come home at all, half the time. 511 00:34:05,847 --> 00:34:08,415 And six o'clock, we'd hear the car come up the driveway 512 00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:12,020 and all our little faces would turned towards the door 513 00:34:12,152 --> 00:34:13,420 as he walked in and you could... 514 00:34:13,555 --> 00:34:15,690 you could just feel the tension. 515 00:34:18,058 --> 00:34:19,426 It was quite scary. 516 00:34:20,628 --> 00:34:22,296 But Mum was probably more violent 517 00:34:22,429 --> 00:34:24,331 - than what Dad was. - Yes. 518 00:34:25,700 --> 00:34:27,535 When she lost it, her eyes... 519 00:34:27,802 --> 00:34:30,772 her eyes would go black like a demon. 520 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,108 I remember Margaret saying about that, 521 00:34:35,242 --> 00:34:36,443 you know, "Beware of Mum's eyes." 522 00:34:36,578 --> 00:34:38,245 -"They will go black." -Yeah. 523 00:34:38,378 --> 00:34:40,582 It was pretty violent discipline in those days. 524 00:34:40,715 --> 00:34:43,083 It was either a hairbrush or a coat hanger 525 00:34:43,216 --> 00:34:44,752 or a razor strop or a belt. 526 00:34:47,187 --> 00:34:50,324 It used to wrap right around her hand. 527 00:34:50,457 --> 00:34:53,595 Hold her hand out and it would wrap right round. 528 00:34:54,094 --> 00:34:55,630 with a buckle. 529 00:34:56,698 --> 00:34:59,000 She said, "If the pill had been around in those days... 530 00:34:59,132 --> 00:35:00,635 none of youse would've been here." 531 00:35:04,872 --> 00:35:07,875 Margaret started shredding the ties that bind 532 00:35:08,009 --> 00:35:09,711 at a very young age. 533 00:36:14,542 --> 00:36:16,343 The first time I met and worked with Margaret 534 00:36:16,476 --> 00:36:20,815 was in Sarajevo in June and July of 1992. 535 00:36:20,948 --> 00:36:22,684 The people of Sarajevo 536 00:36:22,817 --> 00:36:25,119 have been under siege for almost eight months. 537 00:36:25,252 --> 00:36:26,721 They have very little food, 538 00:36:26,854 --> 00:36:29,590 no electricity and almost no water. 539 00:36:31,592 --> 00:36:32,593 This, at the time, 540 00:36:32,727 --> 00:36:35,029 was the worst war in Europe 541 00:36:35,163 --> 00:36:37,197 since the end of World War II. 542 00:36:37,865 --> 00:36:40,068 It's war against civilians. It's a war crime. 543 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,838 And that's what Margaret's pictures started to record. 544 00:36:43,971 --> 00:36:45,973 Snipers hidden in these buildings, 545 00:36:46,107 --> 00:36:47,474 which the Serbs control, 546 00:36:47,608 --> 00:36:49,977 kill or wound people almost every day. 547 00:36:50,111 --> 00:36:51,679 Sniper Alley, 548 00:36:51,813 --> 00:36:54,649 the most dangerous road in Sarajevo. 549 00:36:56,283 --> 00:36:57,952 Even when the big guns go quiet, 550 00:36:58,086 --> 00:36:59,854 the snipers never quit. 551 00:36:59,987 --> 00:37:01,756 Barely a minute goes by 552 00:37:01,889 --> 00:37:04,992 without snipers firing a terrified resident. 553 00:37:05,727 --> 00:37:08,261 You know, the captors or the aggressors 554 00:37:08,395 --> 00:37:09,831 could see the victims. 555 00:37:09,964 --> 00:37:11,599 They could see them through their sights, 556 00:37:11,733 --> 00:37:14,702 because they were just a few hundred yards over there. 557 00:37:14,836 --> 00:37:18,706 And they actually, physically, took aim at children... 558 00:37:20,942 --> 00:37:22,610 running, trying to cross a road, 559 00:37:22,744 --> 00:37:23,978 you know, behind containers. 560 00:37:25,713 --> 00:37:28,448 And the world still would not intervene. 561 00:37:28,850 --> 00:37:30,985 Sarajevo's latest casualty. 562 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:33,353 He was seven-years-old. 563 00:37:34,922 --> 00:37:37,457 His sister screamed, "Is my brother alive?" 564 00:37:37,592 --> 00:37:39,426 His mother didn't know the answer. 565 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:40,862 She too had been hit. 566 00:37:43,097 --> 00:37:46,100 We came under mortar fire and attack. 567 00:37:47,635 --> 00:37:49,302 Margaret was out shooting. 568 00:37:49,436 --> 00:37:52,940 Finally, she came back in when she got all the pictures. 569 00:37:53,074 --> 00:37:54,675 But it was really scary. 570 00:37:54,809 --> 00:37:56,476 And I remember saying to my producer, 571 00:37:56,611 --> 00:37:57,779 and then afterwards to Margaret, 572 00:37:57,912 --> 00:37:59,379 "I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 573 00:37:59,514 --> 00:38:00,915 I'm sorry, I brought you here. 574 00:38:01,048 --> 00:38:03,885 I promise, if we survive, we'll never do this again. 575 00:38:04,018 --> 00:38:05,418 We'll never put you in danger again. 576 00:38:05,553 --> 00:38:07,588 I'll never, ever risk our lives again." 577 00:38:07,722 --> 00:38:09,557 And the very next day, we did. 578 00:38:14,629 --> 00:38:16,329 In the early days in Sarajevo, 579 00:38:16,463 --> 00:38:19,066 there was very little protective gear. 580 00:38:19,767 --> 00:38:21,102 There were some flag jackets, 581 00:38:21,235 --> 00:38:23,104 but nobody was wearing helmets at that time. 582 00:38:23,237 --> 00:38:25,740 You relied on the fact that you had a press pass, 583 00:38:26,641 --> 00:38:28,643 and your car had "TV." 584 00:38:29,911 --> 00:38:32,847 It was the first time that jounalists 585 00:38:32,980 --> 00:38:36,717 were deliberately picked on by snipers. 586 00:38:43,090 --> 00:38:45,193 We were plenty-pissed that the sniper shot at us. 587 00:38:45,325 --> 00:38:47,595 The first time I went out there, I was really afraid. 588 00:38:47,728 --> 00:38:50,565 I was sitting on the aeroplane going into, um, Zagreb. 589 00:38:50,698 --> 00:38:52,700 And I thought... 590 00:38:52,834 --> 00:38:55,102 "Oh, my God! Say, I lose a leg? 591 00:38:55,236 --> 00:38:56,704 What if I lose a leg?" 592 00:38:56,838 --> 00:38:58,806 I kept thinking I was gonna lose a leg, not my life, 593 00:38:58,940 --> 00:39:00,508 just, "What am I gonna do?" You know. 594 00:39:00,641 --> 00:39:02,977 Um, and I think that's one of the things 595 00:39:03,110 --> 00:39:04,979 that some of us have said in the past. 596 00:39:05,112 --> 00:39:07,347 If you admit that you are frightened, 597 00:39:08,415 --> 00:39:11,219 somehow, you're more concentrated. 598 00:39:11,351 --> 00:39:13,721 Because, if you're too gung-ho, 599 00:39:13,855 --> 00:39:15,022 you're not really concentrating 600 00:39:15,156 --> 00:39:15,990 in the right way. 601 00:39:18,526 --> 00:39:19,426 I remember telling Margaret 602 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:20,895 who'd been there 603 00:39:21,028 --> 00:39:22,597 at least two weeks longer than I had, 604 00:39:22,730 --> 00:39:24,298 that she should leave as well, 605 00:39:24,431 --> 00:39:29,003 because there's only so much Russian roulette you can play. 606 00:40:02,803 --> 00:40:03,971 When we first went out there, 607 00:40:04,105 --> 00:40:05,072 I met up with Martin Bell 608 00:40:05,206 --> 00:40:07,108 and he showed me a white Carlton Estate 609 00:40:07,241 --> 00:40:08,276 with no windows. 610 00:40:08,408 --> 00:40:09,844 He said, "This is the camera car." 611 00:40:09,977 --> 00:40:11,779 "Yeah, great. Where is the camera car?" 612 00:40:11,913 --> 00:40:13,681 "No, no, this is the camera car." 613 00:40:15,316 --> 00:40:17,785 So, I mean, we're all in soft-skin vehicles. 614 00:40:17,919 --> 00:40:20,121 Oh, we sometimes had "Press" written on the side. 615 00:40:21,989 --> 00:40:24,191 But we would also go in convoys. 616 00:40:27,762 --> 00:40:29,297 I think that gives you a certain strength, 617 00:40:29,429 --> 00:40:31,532 the feeling that, you know, we're together in this. 618 00:40:35,269 --> 00:40:37,838 Well, one day we're driving around town. 619 00:40:37,972 --> 00:40:40,007 The road was clear, we drove down into the city 620 00:40:40,141 --> 00:40:42,677 to the Holiday Inn, the hotel we were all staying at. 621 00:40:43,945 --> 00:40:45,613 Now, you have to understand, the Holiday Inn 622 00:40:45,746 --> 00:40:47,181 was not your Holiday Inn. 623 00:40:48,416 --> 00:40:50,051 It was not your average hotel. 624 00:40:51,819 --> 00:40:54,055 There's a lot of gunfire happening around the area. 625 00:40:55,923 --> 00:40:58,125 It was obviously a very nice hotel before the war, 626 00:40:58,259 --> 00:41:01,028 but it had been struck again and again. 627 00:41:06,033 --> 00:41:10,004 It was sort of sodden and destroyed and pock-marked. 628 00:41:11,973 --> 00:41:14,642 You have to understand that war is... 629 00:41:14,775 --> 00:41:17,912 does peculiar things to the things that you behold, 630 00:41:18,045 --> 00:41:20,581 order and normalcy that has been shattered. 631 00:41:28,356 --> 00:41:31,225 There is something poetic about roads 632 00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:33,160 that have no traffic on. 633 00:41:33,627 --> 00:41:35,863 There's just us. 634 00:41:39,166 --> 00:41:40,901 I remember it like a nightmare, 635 00:41:41,035 --> 00:41:43,237 but at least in the nightmare you can flail, 636 00:41:43,371 --> 00:41:46,007 you can panic, and you can wake up. 637 00:41:47,942 --> 00:41:50,544 That day was something you couldn't escape from. 638 00:41:55,516 --> 00:41:57,818 We have our armed vests on. 639 00:42:02,590 --> 00:42:04,759 You have the big long avenue. 640 00:42:06,460 --> 00:42:07,728 And before, there were nice shrubs 641 00:42:07,862 --> 00:42:09,096 growing down the middle, 642 00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:10,231 they've all been crushed and dried. 643 00:42:12,733 --> 00:42:14,101 The trees were flowering. 644 00:42:14,235 --> 00:42:16,303 Now they've got chips, aggressive chips 645 00:42:16,437 --> 00:42:18,739 and bark missing and scoured. 646 00:42:18,873 --> 00:42:20,141 The trees have been scoured 647 00:42:20,274 --> 00:42:21,675 and branches have turned into splinters. 648 00:42:21,809 --> 00:42:23,144 The leaves are all gone. 649 00:42:25,846 --> 00:42:27,782 The trolley lines... 650 00:42:29,650 --> 00:42:31,919 are now snaking across the ground. 651 00:42:33,087 --> 00:42:34,922 They're with these metal kind of crosses, 652 00:42:35,056 --> 00:42:37,691 great big metal crosses, like roadblocks. 653 00:42:38,392 --> 00:42:40,261 So you'd have to go round, 654 00:42:40,995 --> 00:42:43,464 which makes it harder to... to be a target. 655 00:42:44,632 --> 00:42:46,834 You drive any damn way you want. 656 00:42:46,967 --> 00:42:48,402 There's no rules. 657 00:42:48,537 --> 00:42:51,005 We just squirve left into... like, in the movies, 658 00:42:51,138 --> 00:42:54,475 you go over the trolley lines. 659 00:42:54,608 --> 00:42:55,876 It's Mad Max. 660 00:42:58,312 --> 00:43:01,148 Margaret and Mark are seated in the back of the van. 661 00:43:01,282 --> 00:43:03,150 I'm seated in the front passenger seat. 662 00:43:03,284 --> 00:43:05,052 They're saying, "Well, here's this, here's that," 663 00:43:05,186 --> 00:43:07,288 and I'm looking, and there's the apartment buildings there, 664 00:43:07,421 --> 00:43:09,790 and I'm looking left and right, and all of a sudden... 665 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,796 I saw some, like, flash. 666 00:43:17,198 --> 00:43:20,334 I just felt a mist of glass. 667 00:43:22,169 --> 00:43:23,704 I didn't know whether it'd gone over mine or something. 668 00:43:23,838 --> 00:43:25,139 I didn't know what had happened. 669 00:43:25,272 --> 00:43:26,440 I didn't know if it was a gun or whatever. 670 00:43:26,575 --> 00:43:27,842 It was just like a loud crack. 671 00:43:28,642 --> 00:43:30,010 It's almost like, you know, 672 00:43:30,144 --> 00:43:31,580 you're touching the static and it goes into it. 673 00:43:31,712 --> 00:43:32,813 It is just that... 674 00:43:32,947 --> 00:43:34,448 I laughed. I laughed. 675 00:43:34,583 --> 00:43:35,883 And I'm leaning forward now. 676 00:43:36,016 --> 00:43:37,485 I'm hunched down and I grabbed my helmet 677 00:43:37,618 --> 00:43:38,919 and I put it on my head, 678 00:43:39,053 --> 00:43:41,789 unaware, that behind me, Margaret's been shot. 679 00:43:43,491 --> 00:43:47,194 Our driver spins the car around and he starts driving. 680 00:43:48,597 --> 00:43:50,364 You know, we're racing, I look forward again, 681 00:43:50,498 --> 00:43:51,866 and the next time I look back, 682 00:43:51,999 --> 00:43:54,802 she slumped over this way, on Mark's shoulder. 683 00:43:54,935 --> 00:43:57,705 He's wearing a white shirt, and she's starting to go, 684 00:43:57,838 --> 00:43:59,807 because she's... 685 00:43:59,940 --> 00:44:02,710 blood is draining in down her throat. 686 00:44:03,777 --> 00:44:05,614 Her eyes, with her mascara. 687 00:44:05,746 --> 00:44:08,115 Her eyes are like, diamond sharp light. 688 00:44:09,717 --> 00:44:12,353 We race into town, careening over the trolley lines 689 00:44:12,486 --> 00:44:15,489 and pull up in front of the hospital. 690 00:44:15,624 --> 00:44:17,291 And I'm screaming, 691 00:44:17,424 --> 00:44:18,192 "You gotta help, she can't breathe, you got to help her." 692 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,196 But I don't see that her jaw is gone. 693 00:44:22,329 --> 00:44:24,198 I think she's holding it in place, still. 694 00:44:27,569 --> 00:44:29,069 CNN's Stefan Kutsonis 695 00:44:29,203 --> 00:44:31,172 was with Moth and Delmage during the shooting, 696 00:44:31,305 --> 00:44:33,642 and he joins us now from Sarajevo by phone 697 00:44:33,774 --> 00:44:35,176 with an update on the situation. 698 00:44:35,309 --> 00:44:37,512 We want to warn you that he has graphic details 699 00:44:37,646 --> 00:44:38,580 of this attack. 700 00:44:38,712 --> 00:44:40,447 Stefan, bring us up to date. 701 00:44:40,881 --> 00:44:42,183 Hello. 702 00:44:42,316 --> 00:44:43,884 First of all, I'd like to say that 703 00:44:44,018 --> 00:44:45,520 Margaret is still in surgery right now, 704 00:44:45,654 --> 00:44:47,188 and the doctors have now said 705 00:44:47,321 --> 00:44:48,956 that it's not guaranteed that she will survive this. 706 00:44:49,089 --> 00:44:50,559 The severe injuries 707 00:44:50,691 --> 00:44:53,460 to her head and throat are like, very serious. 708 00:44:53,595 --> 00:44:55,262 Uh, even if she does survive it, 709 00:44:55,396 --> 00:44:57,464 her life will be very different from now on. 710 00:44:57,599 --> 00:44:58,933 I was so overwhelmed. 711 00:44:59,066 --> 00:45:00,367 You know, I was brimming, 712 00:45:00,501 --> 00:45:03,904 exploding with emotion and stress and fear. 713 00:45:04,038 --> 00:45:05,839 I still at this point had blood 714 00:45:05,973 --> 00:45:07,174 all over my pants and shoes, 715 00:45:07,308 --> 00:45:08,876 and I didn't know what was coming next. 716 00:45:09,009 --> 00:45:10,878 I was told she may not survive. 717 00:45:11,011 --> 00:45:13,682 She was rushed to Sarajevo's main hospital 718 00:45:13,814 --> 00:45:17,151 where doctors spent four hours patching-up her shattered jaw. 719 00:45:17,284 --> 00:45:19,987 She needed a tracheotomy so she could breathe. 720 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,056 All of this part is gone. 721 00:45:22,189 --> 00:45:26,260 And this part has swollen out like a watermelon. 722 00:45:27,127 --> 00:45:28,829 I remember seeing all of her upper molars, 723 00:45:28,963 --> 00:45:30,264 you know how each molar 724 00:45:30,397 --> 00:45:31,666 has four little points on it, sort of? 725 00:45:31,799 --> 00:45:33,367 The shockwave it had-- 726 00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:36,270 It just shattered these molars. 727 00:45:36,737 --> 00:45:38,272 They were now splinters. 728 00:45:38,405 --> 00:45:40,975 I got a call from my bosses that Margaret had been shot. 729 00:45:41,108 --> 00:45:42,409 And at first I thought, 730 00:45:42,544 --> 00:45:43,678 "My God, don't tell me she's been killed." 731 00:45:43,811 --> 00:45:45,145 "No, she hasn't been killed, 732 00:45:45,279 --> 00:45:48,617 but she's been very, very badly injured, 733 00:45:48,749 --> 00:45:49,950 and she was sniped." 734 00:45:50,084 --> 00:45:51,285 And I knew exactly what had happened, 735 00:45:51,418 --> 00:45:54,188 because we had been sniped for weeks. 736 00:45:57,791 --> 00:45:59,927 Everybody was in a state of shock. 737 00:46:01,529 --> 00:46:03,531 And I remember talking to a medic and I said, 738 00:46:03,665 --> 00:46:05,966 "How is Margaret? So, she's been airlifted?" 739 00:46:06,100 --> 00:46:07,535 He said, "But you know, pfft, 740 00:46:07,669 --> 00:46:09,604 probably best if she died." 741 00:46:09,738 --> 00:46:11,038 I said, "What?" 742 00:46:11,171 --> 00:46:12,373 He said, "Yeah, you know, with those injuries, 743 00:46:12,507 --> 00:46:13,874 I mean, really, would you wanna 744 00:46:14,008 --> 00:46:15,342 have those injuries to your face?" 745 00:46:18,245 --> 00:46:20,247 They gave her a blood transfusion. 746 00:46:21,248 --> 00:46:25,386 She was airlifted out to the Mayo Clinic in Minnesota. 747 00:46:27,254 --> 00:46:28,623 And I didn't know what I was going to find 748 00:46:28,757 --> 00:46:30,324 when I got to the hospital. 749 00:46:32,092 --> 00:46:33,360 She was unrecognizable. 750 00:46:33,494 --> 00:46:35,496 And at the time, she couldn't talk, 751 00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:37,364 but she could do some writing. 752 00:46:42,469 --> 00:46:44,938 I went in and she looked at me. 753 00:46:45,806 --> 00:46:47,575 And I'll never forget, it was... 754 00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:50,911 this look in her, you know, big blue eyes. 755 00:46:51,045 --> 00:46:52,514 and she was... 756 00:46:52,647 --> 00:46:55,750 started crying and kicking her legs, 757 00:46:55,883 --> 00:47:00,087 trying to talk to me, like, "Look, what's happened to me." 758 00:47:05,694 --> 00:47:08,596 And I was trying to calm her down and it was really... 759 00:47:10,864 --> 00:47:11,999 ...tough. 760 00:47:12,132 --> 00:47:14,335 It was a very tough moment. 761 00:47:15,770 --> 00:47:17,104 I work at Kinkos, 762 00:47:17,739 --> 00:47:19,674 they put me on a register in the front. 763 00:47:20,775 --> 00:47:23,010 These two guys were getting their coffees, 764 00:47:23,143 --> 00:47:24,345 you know, getting their money out and whatever, 765 00:47:24,478 --> 00:47:26,013 this guy said to the other guy, 766 00:47:26,146 --> 00:47:27,948 he said, "Did you hear about Margaret Moth?" 767 00:47:28,082 --> 00:47:30,752 And he said, "Yes, she got shot in Sarajevo." 768 00:47:30,884 --> 00:47:32,620 "It blew her jaw right off." 769 00:47:32,754 --> 00:47:34,154 "She's not gonna make it." 770 00:47:35,623 --> 00:47:38,560 That's how I heard about it... from strangers. 771 00:47:39,993 --> 00:47:42,963 I was really angry from that point forward. 772 00:47:43,765 --> 00:47:45,065 I was livid. 773 00:47:46,300 --> 00:47:49,436 My Margaret died on Sniper Alley. 774 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:52,873 She didn't come back. 775 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:34,709 Yeah, mum rang and told me 776 00:49:34,843 --> 00:49:37,912 that she'd been shot in the face by a sniper. 777 00:49:38,045 --> 00:49:39,313 Yeah. 778 00:49:40,414 --> 00:49:41,683 Well, you're sort of like... 779 00:49:41,816 --> 00:49:45,152 until I saw her, I didn't realize the extent. 780 00:49:45,620 --> 00:49:46,621 Mm. 781 00:49:49,122 --> 00:49:50,625 Yeah, she was very vain. 782 00:49:50,758 --> 00:49:53,193 And my first thought when she got shot was, 783 00:49:53,327 --> 00:49:56,731 "Oh, my God, for that to happen to Maggie's face... 784 00:49:57,665 --> 00:49:59,099 was incredible." 785 00:50:17,685 --> 00:50:20,588 They started putting her face together. 786 00:50:21,255 --> 00:50:23,457 And they had to rebuild her jaw 787 00:50:23,591 --> 00:50:26,326 because the jaw had been blown off. 788 00:50:27,996 --> 00:50:29,597 She had lost all her teeth, 789 00:50:29,731 --> 00:50:32,600 and it was always as typical Margaret, 790 00:50:32,734 --> 00:50:34,636 that she would say, 791 00:50:34,769 --> 00:50:37,404 "I want to go back to Sarajevo and look for my teeth." 792 00:51:28,155 --> 00:51:29,289 The French guy? 793 00:51:29,757 --> 00:51:32,060 Mum said that she didn't like him. 794 00:51:33,027 --> 00:51:35,763 Maggie always had younger boyfriends. 795 00:51:35,897 --> 00:51:38,032 You know, they'd be all lovely-dovey on phone, 796 00:51:38,165 --> 00:51:39,701 and I couldn't believe her. 797 00:51:39,834 --> 00:51:43,337 I never heard Maggie talk like that to anybody, you know? 798 00:51:43,470 --> 00:51:45,506 So, yeah, it was strange. 799 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,274 She's laying there bandaged 800 00:51:47,407 --> 00:51:49,276 and was supposed to be all sterile and everything. 801 00:51:49,409 --> 00:51:51,478 And he's climbing all over the top of her 802 00:51:51,613 --> 00:51:52,814 and kissing her and cuddling her 803 00:51:52,947 --> 00:51:54,749 and rubbing his hands all over her, 804 00:51:54,882 --> 00:51:57,652 yeah, but Mum wasn't impressed at all. 805 00:52:03,725 --> 00:52:05,392 Mum didn't like it because she reckoned 806 00:52:05,526 --> 00:52:07,461 he was selling stuff out of Margaret's flat 807 00:52:07,595 --> 00:52:09,631 while she was in hospital. 808 00:52:09,764 --> 00:52:11,231 Stealing it and then selling it. 809 00:52:12,199 --> 00:52:15,202 Finally, she found out that he was a heroin addict. 810 00:52:24,612 --> 00:52:28,116 Maggie had the money and he didn't. 811 00:52:28,248 --> 00:52:30,484 So, maybe it was that sort of relationship. 812 00:52:30,618 --> 00:52:32,319 She... she nurtured him 813 00:52:32,452 --> 00:52:34,956 and he was happy to go along with it. 814 00:54:37,145 --> 00:54:40,114 Well, at this point, we had been apart for so long, 815 00:54:40,681 --> 00:54:42,150 very, very little contact. 816 00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:45,385 I was too ashamed to talk to her, 817 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:46,721 because my life had just 818 00:54:46,854 --> 00:54:49,289 revolved around drinking and drugs, 819 00:54:49,422 --> 00:54:52,425 and I just couldn't... deal with it. 820 00:54:56,564 --> 00:54:57,965 Couple of times she sent me a ticket, 821 00:54:58,099 --> 00:55:00,234 and I couldn't stay sober long enough 822 00:55:00,367 --> 00:55:01,669 to get on an airplane. 823 00:55:05,773 --> 00:55:07,975 All I could see was what I had lost, 824 00:55:08,109 --> 00:55:10,343 you know, not what she had lost. 825 00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,849 I disappointed her a lot. 826 00:55:17,450 --> 00:55:20,521 I rejected her on almost every level. 827 00:56:31,926 --> 00:56:33,661 Before she was shot, 828 00:56:33,794 --> 00:56:35,462 people would stare because she was so beautiful, 829 00:56:35,596 --> 00:56:38,766 and with these long flowing skirts. 830 00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:41,168 But after she was shot, 831 00:56:41,302 --> 00:56:44,038 her mouth was crooked and she lost part of her tongue. 832 00:56:45,438 --> 00:56:46,473 She didn't have teeth, 833 00:56:46,607 --> 00:56:48,109 and you don't have teeth, 834 00:56:48,242 --> 00:56:50,945 you can't eat properly, you can't speak properly. 835 00:57:01,889 --> 00:57:03,858 People would stare. 836 00:57:59,013 --> 00:58:00,614 The sniper on Sniper Alley 837 00:58:00,748 --> 00:58:02,183 wasn't gonna bring her down. 838 00:58:03,284 --> 00:58:04,652 She was better than that. 839 00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,976 She went into a little capsule and, you know, 840 00:58:29,110 --> 00:58:32,513 like a cocoon, and came out something other. 841 00:58:49,964 --> 00:58:51,799 I think for Margaret, 842 00:58:51,932 --> 00:58:54,301 anything else but radical acceptance 843 00:58:54,435 --> 00:58:55,736 would have been defeat. 844 00:59:09,483 --> 00:59:11,886 At some point, Margaret realized 845 00:59:12,019 --> 00:59:15,289 she needed to fight tooth and nail to get back. 846 00:59:18,325 --> 00:59:21,362 My God, the inner physical strength of that woman. 847 00:59:22,263 --> 00:59:25,766 And back, all the way. 848 00:59:27,001 --> 00:59:28,769 Let's go down to the bed first. 849 00:59:33,340 --> 00:59:35,476 She had the guts to just say, 850 00:59:35,609 --> 00:59:38,712 "Don't strip me of my pride." 851 00:59:38,846 --> 00:59:39,747 Can you reach your hand 852 00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,315 to the headboard? 853 00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:47,088 Okay, open as wide as you can for me. 854 00:59:47,221 --> 00:59:48,956 I know you can't open it very wide. 855 00:59:50,124 --> 00:59:51,592 I'm just trying to look and see 856 00:59:51,725 --> 00:59:53,327 if you have any sutures that I can see. 857 00:59:53,461 --> 00:59:55,329 Can you feel your lower lip any better now? 858 00:59:55,463 --> 00:59:58,866 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can feel it right over here. 859 00:59:58,999 --> 01:00:00,569 Very good. Good. 860 01:00:00,701 --> 01:00:02,269 I feel pressure. 861 01:00:02,403 --> 01:00:05,206 I never saw her spirit flag. 862 01:00:05,339 --> 01:00:08,142 I never saw her feel sorry for herself. 863 01:00:08,943 --> 01:00:11,979 I never saw her say, "No," to any challenge. 864 01:00:27,294 --> 01:00:29,296 Well, she was very keen to return to work 865 01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:30,865 as soon as possible. 866 01:00:35,202 --> 01:00:37,506 The international desk had recommended 867 01:00:37,638 --> 01:00:41,675 that she take it easy in terms of assignments. 868 01:00:43,978 --> 01:00:46,147 She did her share of the various stories 869 01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,115 that we were doing in Paris. 870 01:00:48,249 --> 01:00:50,519 How romantic, okay, excuse me. 871 01:00:50,651 --> 01:00:51,919 Her mental state was, 872 01:00:52,052 --> 01:00:53,888 you know, "I'm going to go back to work." 873 01:00:56,257 --> 01:00:59,059 But it was not easy to go back to work. 874 01:00:59,193 --> 01:01:00,895 Ah! These two ladies here. 875 01:01:01,028 --> 01:01:02,396 She was weak. 876 01:01:02,531 --> 01:01:05,833 She had been fed through a tube into her stomach 877 01:01:05,966 --> 01:01:09,870 because she couldn't eat and she had lost weight. 878 01:01:10,871 --> 01:01:12,973 Margaret wanted to do what she loved to do, 879 01:01:13,107 --> 01:01:15,142 and that was covering war. 880 01:01:15,276 --> 01:01:16,611 Three, two, one. 881 01:01:16,744 --> 01:01:17,978 The union say, 882 01:01:18,112 --> 01:01:20,114 "Thursday's action is just a warning." 883 01:01:22,216 --> 01:01:23,784 She did complain about the fact 884 01:01:23,918 --> 01:01:26,020 that myself and the assignments editor 885 01:01:26,153 --> 01:01:28,289 were deliberately plotting to keep her away 886 01:01:28,422 --> 01:01:29,790 from what she considered 887 01:01:29,924 --> 01:01:31,526 to be the essential stories of the day 888 01:01:31,660 --> 01:01:33,227 and she felt hard done by. 889 01:01:35,095 --> 01:01:36,565 One of the things that stood out 890 01:01:36,697 --> 01:01:37,965 for the rest of us in the Bureau, of course, 891 01:01:38,098 --> 01:01:39,166 was the fact that Margaret 892 01:01:39,300 --> 01:01:41,101 found it very difficult to talk. 893 01:01:51,145 --> 01:01:52,846 Down here was still her physical strength 894 01:01:52,980 --> 01:01:54,148 because she would still lift the cameras. 895 01:01:54,281 --> 01:01:55,883 There was no slowing down of that. 896 01:01:56,016 --> 01:01:58,352 But it was very hard for her to work with you 897 01:01:58,485 --> 01:02:01,422 when she didn't have a tongue to communicate properly. 898 01:02:03,290 --> 01:02:04,792 She would talk and it was, just drool was coming out. 899 01:02:04,925 --> 01:02:06,260 She always had to dab her mouth. 900 01:02:06,393 --> 01:02:08,329 She couldn't control the drool, right? 901 01:02:08,462 --> 01:02:09,797 She'd say, "Oh, I--" 902 01:02:09,930 --> 01:02:11,298 And you'd say, "I'm sorry, what?" 903 01:02:11,432 --> 01:02:13,801 She'd either say it again more slowly, 904 01:02:13,934 --> 01:02:15,169 so you can get it, or she would nod, 905 01:02:15,302 --> 01:02:16,638 do this and pull out her... 906 01:02:16,770 --> 01:02:18,105 her reporter's pad and write it down 907 01:02:18,239 --> 01:02:19,907 like that and say, "Do you want this?" 908 01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:20,975 "Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure." 909 01:02:21,108 --> 01:02:22,810 "Let's do that then." 910 01:02:22,943 --> 01:02:26,347 Nobody else had to work for her because of her infirmity. 911 01:02:27,147 --> 01:02:28,482 But she had to work harder. 912 01:02:29,551 --> 01:02:31,252 Yeah, yeah, a bit. Um... 913 01:02:39,694 --> 01:02:42,363 She wanted to be on the front line. 914 01:02:43,230 --> 01:02:47,602 She said, "I am going back to war." 915 01:02:48,369 --> 01:02:51,405 "And nobody is going to stand in my way." 916 01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,209 The indication from the assignments editor 917 01:02:55,342 --> 01:02:57,478 on the international desk was to try and avoid 918 01:02:57,612 --> 01:03:00,247 sending Margaret to situations where she 919 01:03:00,381 --> 01:03:02,517 where she would be more at risk 920 01:03:02,651 --> 01:03:05,352 because of the lack of medical facilities 921 01:03:05,486 --> 01:03:06,621 or the danger. 922 01:03:06,755 --> 01:03:08,389 I mean, if she was to get hurt again, I mean, 923 01:03:08,523 --> 01:03:12,126 if she were hit in the face by a rock or something... 924 01:03:13,093 --> 01:03:15,062 There were people who came to me, 925 01:03:15,195 --> 01:03:16,698 and said "Tom, you can't let her do it. 926 01:03:16,830 --> 01:03:18,165 You cannot let her do it. 927 01:03:18,299 --> 01:03:20,200 You'll have blood on your hands." 928 01:03:20,334 --> 01:03:23,070 But Margaret didn't see it quite the same way. 929 01:03:23,638 --> 01:03:25,573 Look, I have a black bullet-proof vest. 930 01:03:25,707 --> 01:03:26,775 Cool. 931 01:03:26,907 --> 01:03:28,909 She was so all in. 932 01:03:30,545 --> 01:03:32,046 She had only one way forward, 933 01:03:32,179 --> 01:03:33,648 and that was to walk straight back 934 01:03:33,782 --> 01:03:35,149 into the lion's den. 935 01:03:44,958 --> 01:03:47,995 CNN, Cyangugu, Rwanda. 936 01:03:54,101 --> 01:03:55,570 Margaret liked being near... near the action. 937 01:03:55,704 --> 01:03:57,739 So she didn't want to be in headquarters, 938 01:03:57,871 --> 01:03:58,906 or she didn't want to be in place 939 01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:01,075 there was a little action. 940 01:04:18,425 --> 01:04:20,427 Even with her injuries, 941 01:04:20,562 --> 01:04:23,497 she was driven by some other fuel source 942 01:04:23,631 --> 01:04:25,432 than most people are. 943 01:04:30,739 --> 01:04:34,041 Margaret and the crew are in the West Bank. 944 01:04:34,174 --> 01:04:37,077 And an IDF, Israeli Defence Force 945 01:04:37,211 --> 01:04:38,613 armoured Jeep pulls up. 946 01:04:42,383 --> 01:04:45,419 The Israeli soldiers fire some kind of tear gas 947 01:04:45,553 --> 01:04:46,987 or other grenade or something. 948 01:04:47,121 --> 01:04:48,422 So they're aiming at 949 01:04:48,556 --> 01:04:50,057 right at these journalists, right? 950 01:04:52,326 --> 01:04:54,928 Then they ram the front of CNN's Land Rover. 951 01:05:08,576 --> 01:05:10,978 As you can hear Margaret say in that piece, she says, 952 01:05:11,111 --> 01:05:12,446 "Who got me in the foot?" 953 01:05:13,715 --> 01:05:15,983 Then you see a guy steps out and goes, 954 01:05:16,116 --> 01:05:19,186 pow, he fires point blank at the glass. 955 01:05:22,456 --> 01:05:24,893 She didn't do less war after she got shot. 956 01:05:25,993 --> 01:05:27,261 She did more. 957 01:05:29,296 --> 01:05:31,398 She doubled down on danger. 958 01:05:51,586 --> 01:05:53,253 She stuck with danger. 959 01:05:53,387 --> 01:05:55,222 She stuck with people who understood danger 960 01:05:55,355 --> 01:05:57,559 and understood the price she had paid. 961 01:05:59,092 --> 01:06:00,795 Dignity and defiance. 962 01:06:01,395 --> 01:06:03,363 The ceaseless defiance of everything. 963 01:06:03,497 --> 01:06:06,200 Even defiance against her own self-pity. 964 01:06:12,406 --> 01:06:13,675 I think that was the way 965 01:06:13,808 --> 01:06:16,376 for Margaret to preserve her dignity. 966 01:06:30,925 --> 01:06:35,295 There's this one big, thorny, difficult story in the world. 967 01:06:35,429 --> 01:06:37,164 It's kind of special. 968 01:06:37,297 --> 01:06:40,467 And that's the story of the Arab-Israeli conflict. 969 01:06:41,134 --> 01:06:43,070 It's a minefield of a story. 970 01:06:44,204 --> 01:06:45,740 Sixteen Katyusha rockets 971 01:06:45,874 --> 01:06:47,609 slammed into villages in northern Israel 972 01:06:47,742 --> 01:06:50,310 as many residents were eating breakfast. 973 01:06:53,948 --> 01:06:56,183 Hezbollah in south Lebanon 974 01:06:57,484 --> 01:06:59,821 had been shelling and sending Katyusha rockets 975 01:06:59,954 --> 01:07:03,290 over into settlements in northern Israel. 976 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,730 And the Israelis had wanted to retaliate, 977 01:07:10,330 --> 01:07:12,399 and they issued a warning 978 01:07:12,534 --> 01:07:14,836 that they were gonna be attacking Shiite villages 979 01:07:14,969 --> 01:07:17,437 where they believed Hezbollah to have its strongholds, 980 01:07:17,572 --> 01:07:19,507 and warned that anything that moved, 981 01:07:19,641 --> 01:07:22,109 would be considered a legitimate target. 982 01:07:26,581 --> 01:07:28,917 About 300 to 400 thousand 983 01:07:29,049 --> 01:07:33,487 civilians fled from the south of Lebanon, towards Beirut. 984 01:07:37,559 --> 01:07:39,027 Two thunder-clapping explosions 985 01:07:39,192 --> 01:07:43,263 had sounded across the city and then screams. 986 01:07:48,603 --> 01:07:51,706 CNN mobilized around 12 journalists. 987 01:07:52,372 --> 01:07:53,908 There was also the addition of Margaret 988 01:07:54,042 --> 01:07:57,277 and another sound tech that came in from London. 989 01:07:58,078 --> 01:08:01,281 And we moved south along the coastal road 990 01:08:01,415 --> 01:08:03,483 from Beirut to Tyre. 991 01:08:03,618 --> 01:08:05,853 Israel is trying to stop Hezbollah 992 01:08:05,987 --> 01:08:08,288 and journalists traveling this road. 993 01:08:08,422 --> 01:08:10,858 Anyone moving has to make a high-speed dash. 994 01:08:45,627 --> 01:08:46,594 We were the only network 995 01:08:46,728 --> 01:08:48,696 that set up a base in Tyre. 996 01:08:51,633 --> 01:08:55,268 On the top floor, of a 12 story apartment block, 997 01:08:55,402 --> 01:08:57,739 and we've had a grandstand view... 998 01:09:01,042 --> 01:09:03,511 of the Israeli air attacks. 999 01:09:07,381 --> 01:09:09,383 Margaret's on the roof and she captured 1000 01:09:09,517 --> 01:09:11,653 the explosion very close by. 1001 01:09:13,121 --> 01:09:14,354 You can see the jets, 1002 01:09:14,488 --> 01:09:16,691 the F-14s and the F-16s come over 1003 01:09:16,824 --> 01:09:19,727 and quite clearly see them drop bombs. 1004 01:09:30,237 --> 01:09:31,839 Look, there is no way around it. 1005 01:09:31,973 --> 01:09:33,708 This was an extraordinarily dangerous place. 1006 01:09:34,976 --> 01:09:37,310 But this is where Margaret wanted to be. 1007 01:09:44,686 --> 01:09:45,953 One of the stories that we did 1008 01:09:46,087 --> 01:09:47,454 in the first few days 1009 01:09:47,588 --> 01:09:49,524 was to visit the United Nations troops. 1010 01:09:49,657 --> 01:09:51,693 It was mainly Fijians at the time. 1011 01:09:52,927 --> 01:09:55,563 And we visited one of their camps near Kana. 1012 01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:58,032 More or less on the front lines. 1013 01:09:58,933 --> 01:10:00,233 We went to the camp a couple of times 1014 01:10:00,367 --> 01:10:01,501 to do some interviews. 1015 01:10:06,908 --> 01:10:09,911 Some of the locals were scared of Israeli retaliation, 1016 01:10:10,044 --> 01:10:11,112 so they asked the UN, 1017 01:10:11,244 --> 01:10:12,647 "You know, can we stay here?" 1018 01:10:12,780 --> 01:10:14,281 "The Israelis aren't going to attack you, are they?" 1019 01:10:18,251 --> 01:10:20,121 Margaret was off filming 1020 01:10:20,253 --> 01:10:22,824 when she heard that there had been an attack. 1021 01:10:23,290 --> 01:10:25,059 Fiji battalion headquarters 1022 01:10:25,193 --> 01:10:26,894 is still under shelling. 1023 01:10:27,028 --> 01:10:29,664 Fiji battalion headquarters is still under shelling. Over. 1024 01:10:30,531 --> 01:10:32,667 And so, she went of her own initiative, 1025 01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,837 straight to Kana, back to the camp. 1026 01:10:55,823 --> 01:10:58,325 Margaret was the first television journalist 1027 01:10:58,458 --> 01:10:59,961 with a proper professional camera 1028 01:11:00,094 --> 01:11:02,530 to arrive on the scene. 1029 01:11:03,731 --> 01:11:06,366 She filmed the whole immediate aftermath. 1030 01:11:12,372 --> 01:11:14,108 And then we waited for Margaret to come back 1031 01:11:14,242 --> 01:11:15,408 with all the video. 1032 01:11:16,577 --> 01:11:20,748 And she had shot a good 30, 1033 01:11:21,649 --> 01:11:24,284 maybe more, 40 minutes. 1034 01:11:25,553 --> 01:11:27,989 We fed everything to Atlanta, 1035 01:11:28,122 --> 01:11:29,489 whole 40 minutes. 1036 01:11:29,624 --> 01:11:30,925 I'm Lou Waters. Hello. 1037 01:11:31,058 --> 01:11:32,794 Here's what's happening. It's been quite a day. 1038 01:11:32,927 --> 01:11:35,428 It was a scene that caused United Nations' peacekeepers 1039 01:11:35,563 --> 01:11:37,165 and rescue officials to weep. 1040 01:11:37,297 --> 01:11:39,767 It's reported that two Israeli shells 1041 01:11:39,901 --> 01:11:42,236 out of a salvo of as many as five, 1042 01:11:42,369 --> 01:11:43,671 impacted inside the base, 1043 01:11:43,805 --> 01:11:45,773 some six miles south-east of Tyre, 1044 01:11:45,907 --> 01:11:48,743 cutting down at least 200 Lebanese civilians. 1045 01:11:48,876 --> 01:11:50,578 In the words of the United Nations 1046 01:11:50,711 --> 01:11:52,613 on the ground, "It was a massacre." 1047 01:11:52,747 --> 01:11:55,049 The impact of Margaret's footages 1048 01:11:55,183 --> 01:11:56,818 cannot be understated. 1049 01:11:56,951 --> 01:11:59,620 There could be no mistaking, but these were civilians. 1050 01:11:59,754 --> 01:12:01,789 Amid the human debris 1051 01:12:01,923 --> 01:12:04,091 were the bodies of women, children, 1052 01:12:04,225 --> 01:12:05,626 and at least one baby. 1053 01:12:08,796 --> 01:12:11,299 The shock of that kind of image 1054 01:12:11,431 --> 01:12:13,034 just overrides any kind 1055 01:12:13,167 --> 01:12:15,468 of possible excuse or justification, 1056 01:12:15,603 --> 01:12:18,773 by those who ultimately were responsible. 1057 01:12:29,349 --> 01:12:34,589 Margaret had a very intense morality about her. 1058 01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:38,759 Because what she shot went out to the world 1059 01:12:38,893 --> 01:12:41,428 and affected hundreds, thousands of people. 1060 01:12:45,132 --> 01:12:46,300 She had the spirit. 1061 01:12:46,433 --> 01:12:47,668 She had the determination. 1062 01:12:47,802 --> 01:12:51,138 She wanted to show the world at times, 1063 01:12:51,272 --> 01:12:53,406 the brutality of war, 1064 01:12:54,642 --> 01:12:57,979 particularly the impact on the innocents. 1065 01:12:58,846 --> 01:13:01,015 The impact on the children. 1066 01:13:06,453 --> 01:13:09,290 She was very empathetic with people. 1067 01:13:09,422 --> 01:13:10,625 She liked filming people. 1068 01:13:10,758 --> 01:13:12,727 That's the impression I have. 1069 01:13:14,494 --> 01:13:17,164 "You can't cover war, remotely. It's about people." 1070 01:13:17,298 --> 01:13:19,066 You know, that's what she would say. 1071 01:13:22,003 --> 01:13:23,638 A lot of the narratives about Margaret 1072 01:13:23,771 --> 01:13:25,539 are that, "You're so tough, tough, tough." 1073 01:13:26,406 --> 01:13:27,508 Tough was what she did. 1074 01:13:27,642 --> 01:13:28,643 Tough was not how she acted. 1075 01:13:28,776 --> 01:13:30,278 "Hi, Margaret!" 1076 01:13:30,410 --> 01:13:31,646 "Hi, Margaret!" 1077 01:13:31,779 --> 01:13:33,547 "Hello, Margaret." 1078 01:13:33,681 --> 01:13:35,583 Hi, Margaret! 1079 01:13:37,285 --> 01:13:39,820 She would tell you in so many different ways 1080 01:13:39,954 --> 01:13:41,488 that she didn't care about people. 1081 01:13:41,622 --> 01:13:42,857 "People are screwed. 1082 01:13:42,990 --> 01:13:44,625 People are bad. Humanities is a mess." 1083 01:13:44,759 --> 01:13:46,560 But when it came down to it, 1084 01:13:46,694 --> 01:13:48,229 she was relating to those kids. 1085 01:13:48,996 --> 01:13:50,831 You could see she appreciated humanity. 1086 01:13:53,968 --> 01:13:56,370 Every interview and every picture 1087 01:13:56,503 --> 01:13:57,905 and every image 1088 01:13:58,039 --> 01:14:03,544 and every story of civilian under fire was evidence. 1089 01:14:05,112 --> 01:14:06,981 It certainly seems on the outside 1090 01:14:07,114 --> 01:14:09,350 that Margaret may have made, after her shooting, 1091 01:14:09,482 --> 01:14:11,052 a deal with death. 1092 01:14:11,819 --> 01:14:14,555 Could seem that way given how enthusiastically 1093 01:14:14,689 --> 01:14:17,725 she kept on with combat camera work. 1094 01:14:20,695 --> 01:14:23,431 "Okay, my love. Let's go. 1095 01:14:23,564 --> 01:14:24,699 Done it to me once." 1096 01:14:24,832 --> 01:14:26,133 That's the words she gave me. 1097 01:14:26,267 --> 01:14:27,568 "Let's keep on going." 1098 01:14:32,106 --> 01:14:34,075 I call upon all parties 1099 01:14:34,208 --> 01:14:37,745 to agree to an immediate cease-fire. 1100 01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:40,848 So they declared a cease-fire for, 1101 01:14:40,982 --> 01:14:43,551 I think it was 4 am, the morning of 27th of April. 1102 01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:47,888 So, on the evening of the 26th, 1103 01:14:48,022 --> 01:14:49,991 we were saying, "Okay, so, what do we do?" 1104 01:14:50,124 --> 01:14:52,393 "Go back to Beirut tomorrow?" 1105 01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,494 "Should we hang around?" 1106 01:14:57,198 --> 01:14:59,767 While we were mulling all those possibilities, 1107 01:14:59,900 --> 01:15:02,937 shortly before midnight, on the 26th, 1108 01:15:03,070 --> 01:15:05,740 four hours before the cease-fire was due, 1109 01:15:07,141 --> 01:15:10,878 we heard two distinctive whooshes... 1110 01:15:15,149 --> 01:15:16,417 very close by. 1111 01:15:17,051 --> 01:15:18,619 A rocket had been launched 1112 01:15:18,753 --> 01:15:21,188 literally from the corner of our building, 1113 01:15:21,322 --> 01:15:22,523 like Hezbollah. 1114 01:15:23,124 --> 01:15:25,726 And we said, "Okay... 1115 01:15:25,860 --> 01:15:27,028 we've got maybe three minutes 1116 01:15:27,161 --> 01:15:28,429 before the Israelis retaliate." 1117 01:15:28,996 --> 01:15:30,264 We're on the phone to Atlanta. 1118 01:15:30,398 --> 01:15:33,334 It was on with the Bureau and Israel saying, 1119 01:15:33,467 --> 01:15:35,269 "Oh, make sure the...." 1120 01:15:36,337 --> 01:15:38,406 Couple of the team rushed down the stairs 1121 01:15:38,539 --> 01:15:40,574 and the minutes tick by... 1122 01:15:41,175 --> 01:15:42,810 "By the way, where's Margaret?" 1123 01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:47,848 She was up on the roof, 1124 01:15:47,982 --> 01:15:51,318 with a camera, waiting to see what would happen next. 1125 01:15:55,222 --> 01:15:57,758 Waiting to film the building being blown up 1126 01:15:57,892 --> 01:15:59,293 with her on top of it. 1127 01:16:16,944 --> 01:16:18,779 In the end, they didn't retaliate. 1128 01:16:19,548 --> 01:16:21,615 There were no strikes that day. 1129 01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:25,052 But in case, there was a retaliation, 1130 01:16:25,186 --> 01:16:28,189 she wanted to make sure that she didn't miss the shot. 1131 01:16:30,391 --> 01:16:31,759 Margaret felt 1132 01:16:31,892 --> 01:16:34,495 if somebody was mistreating someone... 1133 01:16:35,296 --> 01:16:36,931 she would stand up against them. 1134 01:16:37,064 --> 01:16:39,100 She wasn't afraid of anyone. 1135 01:16:40,167 --> 01:16:42,736 Maybe she wasn't able to do it as a kid, 1136 01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:45,239 but definitely, as an adult, 1137 01:16:45,706 --> 01:16:47,341 she would not stay quiet. 1138 01:16:49,243 --> 01:16:53,114 Her pictures told the truth. 1139 01:16:54,348 --> 01:16:57,084 Our stories and Margaret's pictures 1140 01:16:57,218 --> 01:17:00,788 gradually forced our democracies 1141 01:17:00,921 --> 01:17:02,656 not to turn away. 1142 01:17:03,558 --> 01:17:04,792 In the end, 1143 01:17:04,925 --> 01:17:07,361 after a terrible massacre at Srebrenica, 1144 01:17:07,495 --> 01:17:09,763 the US-led coalition came in, 1145 01:17:10,498 --> 01:17:12,833 in about two weeks with very few casualties, 1146 01:17:12,967 --> 01:17:14,335 if any, on the Serb side. 1147 01:17:14,468 --> 01:17:16,170 They bombed the Serbian military installations 1148 01:17:16,303 --> 01:17:19,306 around the hills that were surrounding 1149 01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:22,343 the valley in which Sarajevo was located. 1150 01:17:22,476 --> 01:17:23,444 And the war stopped. 1151 01:17:23,578 --> 01:17:25,279 It was as simple as that. 1152 01:17:25,412 --> 01:17:26,447 The war stopped. 1153 01:17:26,581 --> 01:17:28,048 And I attribute that... 1154 01:17:28,182 --> 01:17:31,185 in large part, to the journalism in Bosnia 1155 01:17:31,318 --> 01:17:32,253 and to the pictures 1156 01:17:32,386 --> 01:17:34,255 that camera women like Margaret Moth 1157 01:17:34,388 --> 01:17:37,057 and all her colleagues sent out to the world. 1158 01:17:37,191 --> 01:17:39,927 Well, I think if you don't film, 1159 01:17:40,060 --> 01:17:41,862 then things just carry on. 1160 01:17:41,996 --> 01:17:44,398 I think if you do film, things can carry on. 1161 01:17:44,533 --> 01:17:45,966 They can change. 1162 01:17:47,201 --> 01:17:49,103 They tried to silence her, 1163 01:17:49,236 --> 01:17:50,771 but they were not able to make her 1164 01:17:50,905 --> 01:17:52,139 put down her camera. 1165 01:17:54,543 --> 01:17:56,744 Margaret didn't want to suppress any story. 1166 01:17:57,478 --> 01:17:59,680 If there was a story, she wanted to tell it. 1167 01:17:59,813 --> 01:18:00,981 You know, when they say 1168 01:18:01,115 --> 01:18:02,950 a picture is worth a thousand words, 1169 01:18:03,083 --> 01:18:06,887 Margaret's pictures were worth 100,000 words. So... 1170 01:18:08,455 --> 01:18:09,890 I think what drove Margaret 1171 01:18:10,024 --> 01:18:14,028 was a real need to be who she was. 1172 01:18:14,962 --> 01:18:17,532 and not have anybody tell her who to be. 1173 01:18:19,534 --> 01:18:22,169 Really, powerfully, a need to be just me. 1174 01:18:24,438 --> 01:18:26,740 Relentlessly, tenaciously, defiant. 1175 01:18:41,656 --> 01:18:44,425 2009 1176 01:18:44,559 --> 01:18:48,295 The day that I contacted her after all that time 1177 01:18:48,429 --> 01:18:50,297 was I think four days 1178 01:18:50,431 --> 01:18:52,433 after she had been diagnosed with cancer, 1179 01:18:52,567 --> 01:18:54,134 with stage IV cancer. 1180 01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:01,408 You know, I felt funny, 1181 01:19:01,543 --> 01:19:04,311 felt good enough about myself, to call her. 1182 01:19:04,945 --> 01:19:06,280 And... 1183 01:19:07,649 --> 01:19:09,116 to find out she was dying. 1184 01:19:17,057 --> 01:19:19,493 So we just started hanging out again, you know. 1185 01:19:20,662 --> 01:19:22,363 Went to Mexico with Joe, 1186 01:19:22,496 --> 01:19:25,032 went to Mexico City stayed there for a little while. 1187 01:19:30,838 --> 01:19:32,172 She was not afraid. 1188 01:19:33,374 --> 01:19:34,408 Even at the end, 1189 01:19:35,109 --> 01:19:38,680 we drove by, I guess, a cremation place. 1190 01:19:38,812 --> 01:19:40,114 And she said, 1191 01:19:40,247 --> 01:19:41,015 "Oh, that's where I'm going to go up in smoke." 1192 01:19:41,148 --> 01:19:42,116 And I was, "What?" 1193 01:19:42,249 --> 01:19:43,585 "I'm going to go up in smoke." 1194 01:19:43,718 --> 01:19:45,019 "See, the chimney, 1195 01:19:45,152 --> 01:19:46,020 that's where I'm going to go up in smoke." 1196 01:19:48,389 --> 01:19:50,257 She was like a Buddha. 1197 01:19:51,325 --> 01:19:53,260 You felt better in her presence. 1198 01:19:58,832 --> 01:20:00,167 You could sit with her, 1199 01:20:00,301 --> 01:20:02,102 and you felt like when you got up, 1200 01:20:02,236 --> 01:20:04,004 you took something away. 1201 01:20:13,213 --> 01:20:14,749 We were friends for a long time. 1202 01:20:14,882 --> 01:20:18,085 We were friends for 25 years and... 1203 01:20:19,119 --> 01:20:21,221 and I would say soulmates. 1204 01:20:28,329 --> 01:20:30,632 Oh, I just missed calling her, you know, 1205 01:20:31,332 --> 01:20:33,367 calling her every day. 1206 01:20:34,301 --> 01:20:36,970 And how she would do anything, 1207 01:20:37,104 --> 01:20:38,540 you know, how she would... 1208 01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:43,511 do things and I always think about Margaret daily. 1209 01:20:50,484 --> 01:20:53,187 I wish I'd played certain hands differently. 1210 01:20:54,054 --> 01:20:55,824 You know, I wish I was more able 1211 01:20:55,956 --> 01:20:57,458 to be more honest with her 1212 01:20:57,592 --> 01:21:00,227 instead of just turning my back on her. 1213 01:21:01,428 --> 01:21:04,865 You know, I feel less than okay about that. 1214 01:21:06,900 --> 01:21:07,868 After she was shot, 1215 01:21:08,001 --> 01:21:10,003 she rewrote her story. 1216 01:21:11,338 --> 01:21:13,641 She went through 25 surgeries. 1217 01:21:14,609 --> 01:21:17,177 Most people would have thrown in the towel. 1218 01:21:18,379 --> 01:21:20,981 She regained that lust for life. 1219 01:21:36,765 --> 01:21:40,100 Participating in this documentary... 1220 01:21:42,369 --> 01:21:43,638 It brought her back to me. 1221 01:21:48,676 --> 01:21:49,910 Seeing that somebody else cared about her 1222 01:21:50,043 --> 01:21:52,279 as much as I do. 99171

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