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Say your nameand what your relationship
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is to Margaret Moth.
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Oh, that's tough.
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My name is Jeff Russi...
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...and Margaretwas my first girlfriend.
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I was 17 and she was 30.
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And I ran away from home,
joined the circus.
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Who wasMargaret in the circus?
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She was a lion tamer.
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She wasthe queen of the night.
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Okay,what character are you?
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Mm...
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Oh, I'm one of the clowns,
for sure.
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So,the first assignment
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I had with Margaret
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was in Baghdad.
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I was a few yearsinto being a correspondent,
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and part of me wanted out.
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I was sick of it.
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I was kind of heartbroken
with the cruelty,
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and I got heartbroken
with innocent people
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going through...
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awful, awful stuff.
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But Margaret didn't seemto feel the same way.
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For betteror for worse,
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war is an amazing feeling.
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Mind blowing.
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Where is everyone?
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You've neverexperienced
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anything like this.
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It's an emotional,psychological,
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sensory explosion.
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Nothing compares.
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Keep going.
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Like this.
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Margaret gota little bit excited by it.
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Any such experiencesor emotions,
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Margaret drank up.
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She just drank 'em up.
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She was fearless.
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She was always cool-headed.
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She had a sense
of not just a pretty pictures,
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but of sort
of the reality here,
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the messy,
human reality of war.
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And she'd getthat in the shot.
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She was calm,collected,
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but she was on.
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She was recording history.
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Across the Gulf Coast,
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you can't sing the part
company with the rain.
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I wasa straight 'A' student
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and sold weedat Westbury High School,
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the highest academicschool in Houston.
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I did workat the Pizza Restaurant.
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That was like 25 feetaway from her front door.
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This guy named John,
he came down and asked around.
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He said, "Is anybody selling
acid or weed or whatever."
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And they pointed
to me, you know.
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So, ran upstairs...
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Walk in,it's a tiny little space.
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And there was peacockfeathers and old paintings
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and antiquefurniture, Danish oak.
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And she's sitting atthe table,
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and she's smoking a pipe.
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And that was the first timeI met Margaret Moth.
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She was so exotic.
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I thought she wasa gypsy fortune teller.
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She saidshe was from New Zealand.
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You know, if you'd asked mewhere New Zealand was,
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and then spun the globe,
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there was no way.
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Like, I had no ideawhere New Zealand was.
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I didn't even know it wasoff the coast of Australia.
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She was the first camera womanfor Television New Zealand.
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I mean, she was justtoo cool for me.
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That's for sure.
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I was so geeky,
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tripping over my shoe strings
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and making straight 'A's.
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And I had no idea that anybodywould have thought
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I was attractive or anything.
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And then she started spinning
this weird tale all that.
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Now, I was
this really cute guy.
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We got togetherin the summer
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betweenmy 11th and 12th grade,
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your last year of high school.
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I never went to 12th grade.
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I forgotthat it was even happening.
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As soon as I startedhanging out with Margaret,
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things changed.
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Partied our asses off.
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I mean, it turnedmy life upside down.
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I mean, I was one ofthe coolest kids in town then.
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It was weird.
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I just startedstaying in her house.
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I rememberher giving me a drawer.
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Such a big day, you know.
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She was an alien to me.
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And the alien said,"Hey, want to do some acid?"
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We did acid every weekend.
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We were always tripping.
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Margaret wasan experienced traveller.
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She got out there.She went a long way out.
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She was like,
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"I don't know
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how we're going
to get back to Earth."
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Skating was huge for us.
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So there was a big groupof skaters in Houston called
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The Urban Animals.
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They were intodifferent drugs.
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They were the heroin crowd.
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And we were speed crowd.
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Friday we wouldgo to the punk club.
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The one punk club in townin Houston, Texas,
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called The Island.
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And then on a Saturday
morning,
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we'd get up and go skydiving.
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My fatherhad photographs
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of paratroopersduring the war.
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But I never realized thenthat civilians could jump.
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And it was my big ambition
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when I was a kid,to be a paratrooper.
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If somebody got boring,they're gone, for sure.
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Soit doesn't matter
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how closeit comes to this and jumping.
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It just never seems badwhen you're actually doing it.
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Today, I'm just going
to be having a lot of fun.
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To Margaret,you know, that's right.
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If they werewith the Ten Commandments,
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"Don't be boring."
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She had a good time
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and she took everybodyalong with her.
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You know,nothing was out of bounds.
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I mean,
we had an open relationship
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from the very beginning.
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She just had a network of guysthat she dealt with.
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She played the field.
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But I never doubted fora minute
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that she wasn't inlove with me
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or that I wasn'tin love with her.
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K-H-O-U-T-V,Houston.
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Back in 1984,
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I was internedby K-H-O-U in Houston, Texas.
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And, one afternoon,
I was sitting at the desk
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and I looked across
the newsroom,
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and this woman with spiky
jet black hair walked in,
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and it just totallycaught my attention.
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She became my good friend,
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and we started going' out
and partying quite a bit.
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She lookedso rock and roll 24-7.
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She was always,
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you know,Joan Jett's big sister.
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Pilots
for Eastern Airlines
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write up a new contract,
but they aren't looking...
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She was working inwhat they call
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the Southwest Bureau.
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So it was a lot of politics.
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She wasn't interestedin politics.
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She wasn't interestedin shooting politician
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holding a news conference.
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Margaret preferred to go out
on a hurricane
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and chase a hurricane.
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That was the kind ofassignment Margaret wanted.
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That's the kind of assignmentthat she volunteered for.
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She wanted to bewhere the shit was happening.
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And in her mind, that placewas behind a news camera.
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You know, she's got a bazookaon her shoulder.
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You better watch out.
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Now, Dan's goingto have complete report
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on that, a little laterin the program...
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I mean,this is Houston, Texas.
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I mean, they werelike, you know,
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right-wing, Republicanconservatives, you know,
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a female cameramanin a male-dominated world.
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That definitelygave her a charge.
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She did what she wanted.
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She dressed
the way she wanted.
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She said whatever she wanted,
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and it was somethingthat people were in awe of.
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I was fascinated.
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How could this personbe so different?
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I'd ask her things
about her past
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and she said,
"I don't remember."
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You know, "What about your
family?
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What about your dad?"
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"I don't remember."
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And that just addedto her mystique to me.
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The only thing she evertold me about herself
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was that she had hadto go to court
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to get her tubes tied...
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to get herself sterilized.
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She said, "I'm not a breeder.
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I want nothingto do with that."
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Her only motto was,
"No regrets."
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She didn't look back.
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In 1980,CNN revolutionized
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the waythe world watches news.
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7 This news servicewill be called
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The Cable News Network
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and willprogram 24 hours a day.
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CNN was the shitright then.
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I mean, it was the shit.
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For the moment,the iron fist
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ofthe People's Liberation Army
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has come downon Tiananmen Square
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in the heart of Beijing.
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You know,they had an impact.
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By showing the worldthe impact of war,
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our world was better informed.
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This was a new era.
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Women were emerging as
strong, strong professionals
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in the field of
photojournalism.
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And there wasa kick-ass spirit to Margaret.
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And Margaret was always
looking for an opportunity.
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They picked her up.
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She was justa perfect candidate.
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When she got the job with CNN
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and she said she was goingto work at the Dallas bureau,
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it was like, "Ah, fuck."
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So I just assumedI would move to Dallas.
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You know, I'd visit,
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but she didn't ever want me,to like, move there.
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When Margaret and I met,I was writing songs.
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I mean,I had this little notebook
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of songs that I tookeverywhere I went.
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And I'm certainly writingsongs for her.
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First love of my life.
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I handed her my book one time,
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and I said, you know,"What do you think?"
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She just, like, flat out said,
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"It soundskind of trite to me."
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I mean, that was a shock.
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And I didn't write anotherword as a lyric for years.
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I'm Lou Waters. Hello.
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The world is in the midstof a tense waiting game,
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waiting to find outif and when there will be war
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in the Persian Gulf.
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So far,defensive is progressing
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with dramatic success.
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The troops are doinga great job.
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I can hearthe sound of planes...
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Her first warwas Desert Storm.
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More thanone billion heavily armed men
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sent to confront one anotherin the Gulf.
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Wehave been watching
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an incredible display
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of anti-aircraft firing.
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She got on so wellwith military people,
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because she was so ballsy.
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General Schwarzkopftook a liking to her,
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and they smoked cigarsin the evening.
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And she was therein the war zone.
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That's where she feltthe most comfortable.
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I think that's where she knewshe was who she was.
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At a certain point,
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sex, drugs, and rock and rolljust wasn't enough.
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War was the ultimate drug.
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Desert Storm waswhere she made it.
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Her dream had come true.
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Yes, one, two, three,
four, five, you hear me.
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People were quite intimidated
by Margaret Moth.
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Even I was.
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Christiane Amanpour,
CNN, Sarajevo.
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You know, in Sarajevo, she
used to sleep with her boots
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and her black
combat trousers on.
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You know,
I'm like, "Margaret..."
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and she's, "Oh, no,
I've got to be ready."
268
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Margaret had a wish to show
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the story as she saw it
in the raw.
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A community,united in grief...
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She wasa very serious camerawoman.
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She likedto get in tight.
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When she went in,
she went in tight.
274
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Margaretwas very switched on.
275
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She was like a whole package.
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Uncompromising.
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That's what I liked.
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Didn't faff around.
279
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Didn't suck up to people.
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And was very goodat what she did.
281
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She had a natural, physical,
and mental fortitude
282
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that needed to
find expression.
283
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And in danger,
going into war zones.
284
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The way she could justnot sleep for days
285
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and also she couldgo without food,
286
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it wasn't normal for a person
287
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to have that kind of
endurance.
288
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And I remember
looking at her, like,
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"Don't you ever get tired?"
290
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She's like, "No."
291
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It made her perfectfor covering war.
292
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Margaret never made
anything about being a female.
293
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She just did it.
294
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You know,she'd get comments and things,
295
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but I mean, she just...
296
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"Look at me.
Here's the camera."
297
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"This is what I do." You know.
298
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ThreeIraqi soldiers today
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were captured at a roadblock,
300
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manned by the Kuwaitiresistance.
301
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We didn't have things like
Instagram and social media
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and, you know, iPhones.
303
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What was happeningthat particular day
304
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caused us tofollow that story.
305
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You always wantedsomebody like Margaret
306
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with you in the field.
307
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Her camerais an extension for herself.
308
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So she's drawn to the story,
through the camera,
309
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and she just follows it.
310
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As a journalist,I had this romantic notion
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that we're supposed to makethis a better place.
312
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We're supposed to bring up
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the good in every person
and all that.
314
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She was more cynical.
315
00:18:49,097 --> 00:18:50,330
And I think for her,
316
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the photographs, the image,the video she captured
317
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was shoved in your face.
318
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"Here it is."
319
00:18:57,038 --> 00:18:58,405
And she had no more trouble
with it than that.
320
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It was like,
"Here it is. Take it."
321
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"This is your shit."
322
00:19:07,849 --> 00:19:09,851
Maybe it's notthe best metaphor
323
00:19:09,984 --> 00:19:12,520
that Margaret's camerawas a gun.
324
00:19:13,121 --> 00:19:15,089
It's more like a spotlight.
325
00:19:15,222 --> 00:19:20,460
She was shedding lighton people behaving badly.
326
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The most valuable thingthat she can imagine
327
00:19:24,866 --> 00:19:27,434
was being where
history is being changed.
328
00:19:28,736 --> 00:19:30,303
But I could neverfollow her there.
329
00:19:38,646 --> 00:19:40,148
The BBCis reporting
330
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that Iraq has fired
331
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five Scud missilesat Saudi Arabia.
332
00:19:44,819 --> 00:19:48,288
The Pentagon is now confirming12 dead and 25 injured.
333
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Well.
334
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We havean air raid alert
335
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people are being takento shelters.
336
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Kuwait is liberated.
337
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Iraq's army is defeated.
338
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Our militaryobjectives are met.
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Yaschinka was just there.
340
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He wasn't a part
of the long-term plan.
341
00:23:15,897 --> 00:23:19,000
He wasn't a part
of her life, you know?
342
00:23:20,167 --> 00:23:24,105
When she came back to Houston,we did everything together.
343
00:23:25,573 --> 00:23:27,742
They had nothing like we had.
344
00:23:28,943 --> 00:23:30,978
I just knewhe was a heroin addict.
345
00:23:31,112 --> 00:23:34,682
I said, "Wow, I mean... you're
going out with a heroin a...
346
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Don't they just go to sleep
347
00:23:36,851 --> 00:23:39,053
and not want to have
sex and all that?"
348
00:23:39,186 --> 00:23:41,355
And she said, "No,
it's quite the opposite."
349
00:23:42,890 --> 00:23:44,525
So, when he would visit her
in Dallas
350
00:23:44,659 --> 00:23:46,227
and they'd go,
score some heroin
351
00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:47,995
and fuck all night.
352
00:23:48,763 --> 00:23:51,732
So it was like,
speed was for us, you know.
353
00:23:51,866 --> 00:23:53,935
So she enjoyed that.
354
00:23:56,671 --> 00:23:58,806
It is different after that.
355
00:24:00,473 --> 00:24:01,509
She was different.
356
00:24:02,910 --> 00:24:04,444
She definitely wanted
357
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to be where peoplewere doing something wrong...
358
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Where she had a purpose.
359
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CNN was just a different drug.
360
00:24:39,246 --> 00:24:41,148
Depending on
your personality makeup,
361
00:24:41,282 --> 00:24:43,718
you may want to brag
about war and call it...
362
00:24:43,851 --> 00:24:45,786
it's... it's intoxicating.
363
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:47,588
If you're like me,
you don't want to glorify it
364
00:24:47,722 --> 00:24:49,056
'Cause it's just awful.
365
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:50,524
It is awful.
366
00:24:50,958 --> 00:24:53,327
But that said,
your experience of it
367
00:24:53,461 --> 00:24:56,864
is an incredibly complex
concoction
368
00:24:57,497 --> 00:24:58,666
of adrenaline,
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00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:00,434
this and that
and upset and surge.
370
00:25:00,568 --> 00:25:03,371
And so you could be upset
and excited at the same time.
371
00:25:03,504 --> 00:25:06,007
So, while
I hate to glorify it,
372
00:25:06,140 --> 00:25:08,209
you also...
It was kind of a rush.
373
00:25:09,543 --> 00:25:11,245
War is a tough job.
374
00:25:11,379 --> 00:25:13,180
And we self-medicate it.
375
00:25:15,383 --> 00:25:16,650
This is life and death.
376
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,748
If you talk to veterans, too,
377
00:25:47,882 --> 00:25:49,917
there were soldiers, they'll
tell you the same thing.
378
00:25:50,051 --> 00:25:52,186
You come
back to civilian life...
379
00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:54,889
and it's kind of lonely
380
00:25:55,022 --> 00:25:57,526
because nobody
will understand your stories,
381
00:25:57,658 --> 00:26:02,363
the strange serotonin
chemical level,
382
00:26:02,496 --> 00:26:04,098
adrenaline, all this stuff.
383
00:26:04,231 --> 00:26:05,566
Of course, you're trying
to tell that story
384
00:26:05,699 --> 00:26:07,034
of that experience
and they think
385
00:26:07,168 --> 00:26:08,769
you're telling a glory story
and you're not.
386
00:26:08,903 --> 00:26:10,304
And it's very lonely.
387
00:26:51,045 --> 00:26:52,547
On the streetsof Gagra,
388
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,281
the Ossetian battlefor independence goes on.
389
00:26:54,415 --> 00:26:57,384
Desert stormhas just ended.
390
00:26:57,519 --> 00:26:59,787
The Soviet Union was over.
391
00:27:00,754 --> 00:27:02,156
There was a civil war
392
00:27:02,289 --> 00:27:04,792
in the formerSoviet Republic of Georgia.
393
00:27:05,659 --> 00:27:07,596
And the gunman,the militiamen,
394
00:27:07,728 --> 00:27:10,297
for the new governmentthat was trying to take over,
395
00:27:10,431 --> 00:27:11,732
open fire on the crowd.
396
00:27:14,368 --> 00:27:15,870
When the firing started,
397
00:27:16,003 --> 00:27:19,373
the other cameraman
ducked behind the cars,
398
00:27:19,508 --> 00:27:21,576
and trying to wait to see
what shots they can get.
399
00:27:21,709 --> 00:27:24,912
And one cameraman, later on,
back at the hotel, said to me,
400
00:27:25,045 --> 00:27:27,414
"I'm hiding behind the car
to get out of the gunfire.
401
00:27:27,549 --> 00:27:29,850
And I suddenly see a shadow
across my arms,
402
00:27:29,984 --> 00:27:31,785
and I think, 'what the hell,'
I look up....
403
00:27:31,919 --> 00:27:34,655
And there's Margaret,
standing straight upright,
404
00:27:34,788 --> 00:27:37,758
not hiding behind the
vehicles, filming the action."
405
00:27:40,828 --> 00:27:42,363
She gotthe only pictures,
406
00:27:42,496 --> 00:27:44,599
she's filming peoplegoing down as they get hit.
407
00:27:44,732 --> 00:27:46,867
The other cameraman peoplewere kind of startled
408
00:27:47,001 --> 00:27:49,036
that she had the guts
to just say, "Uh-oh."
409
00:27:49,170 --> 00:27:51,472
and step right out
in the middle of it.
410
00:27:52,574 --> 00:27:55,843
She took huge chanceswith her life.
411
00:27:56,677 --> 00:27:59,079
She came across somebodythat was a bully.
412
00:27:59,213 --> 00:28:00,848
Who are you?
Who are you?
413
00:28:00,981 --> 00:28:03,552
She just took him down,
414
00:28:04,218 --> 00:28:06,954
and she did itbecause she had to.
415
00:28:09,624 --> 00:28:11,425
She just became fearless.
416
00:28:14,428 --> 00:28:15,763
And do youever dream
417
00:28:15,896 --> 00:28:17,331
that anything could go wrong?
418
00:28:18,132 --> 00:28:21,936
No. No, I thoughtshe was the indestructible.
419
00:28:27,374 --> 00:28:29,678
I rememberdriving around Baghdad.
420
00:28:29,810 --> 00:28:32,547
We stopped
at the marketplace, a souk,
421
00:28:32,681 --> 00:28:33,914
and it was big and it was...
422
00:28:34,048 --> 00:28:36,050
there were stalls
and this and oranges
423
00:28:36,183 --> 00:28:37,652
and cucumbers and...
424
00:28:37,785 --> 00:28:39,353
Margaret got out of the car.
425
00:28:41,188 --> 00:28:42,823
There are all these kidsand they're all coming up
426
00:28:42,957 --> 00:28:44,925
and looking at Margaret andlaughing and like, "Ho, ho!"
427
00:28:45,059 --> 00:28:47,562
she sees so...She's so wild to them.
428
00:28:48,229 --> 00:28:49,863
And the kids are allcrowding into the shot,
429
00:28:49,997 --> 00:28:51,298
trying to get into the shot.
430
00:28:51,432 --> 00:28:53,167
Like 30, 40,50 are crowding in.
431
00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:56,705
And I've never seen a humancrowd act like gasoline.
432
00:28:57,438 --> 00:29:00,040
It's just like a... spreading.
433
00:29:00,808 --> 00:29:02,109
All of a sudden,out of the crowd
434
00:29:02,243 --> 00:29:04,111
emerges some plain clothesmen,
435
00:29:04,245 --> 00:29:06,548
and he wants to puta stop to it.
436
00:29:07,181 --> 00:29:08,749
He stupidly goes up to...
437
00:29:08,882 --> 00:29:11,952
front and front of Margaret
and he pushes the camera away,
438
00:29:12,086 --> 00:29:13,354
and it bangs her on the nose.
439
00:29:13,487 --> 00:29:15,089
Her viewfinder bangs
on the nose.
440
00:29:15,222 --> 00:29:17,825
She stands up and in front
of hundreds of people
441
00:29:17,958 --> 00:29:20,995
in Saddam's Iraq,
in Saddam's city,
442
00:29:21,128 --> 00:29:24,298
she goes, "Don't you ever...".
443
00:29:27,167 --> 00:29:28,703
I never...
444
00:29:28,836 --> 00:29:32,239
fully understood whatwas ticking inside of her.
445
00:29:35,109 --> 00:29:37,311
But I always felt that,
my God, you know,
446
00:29:37,444 --> 00:29:39,380
there's a deep anger
in there somewhere.
447
00:29:39,514 --> 00:29:42,383
I mean, you could sense
that behind all of that,
448
00:29:42,517 --> 00:29:45,085
it came from a place
of anger and defiance.
449
00:29:45,219 --> 00:29:46,954
You, know,
when something sparked
450
00:29:47,087 --> 00:29:48,822
that kind of behaviour,
451
00:29:48,956 --> 00:29:50,291
it did make me wonder
452
00:29:50,424 --> 00:29:53,360
why she would be,
you know, such a...
453
00:29:55,162 --> 00:29:57,064
such a change in character?
454
00:29:59,466 --> 00:30:01,402
Sometimesshe would come home,
455
00:30:02,136 --> 00:30:03,804
and she would'veencountered, like,
456
00:30:03,937 --> 00:30:05,906
what we call trigger episodes,
457
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,943
where she would... cry
pretty spontaneously
458
00:30:10,077 --> 00:30:12,547
and non-stop for hours.
459
00:30:14,281 --> 00:30:15,583
That was terrifying.
460
00:30:16,651 --> 00:30:19,521
You know, I had this, like,person you care about
461
00:30:19,654 --> 00:30:23,190
that you've been around withand had so much intimacy with,
462
00:30:23,324 --> 00:30:25,359
You know, tears flowing,
463
00:30:25,492 --> 00:30:26,927
and she can't even bringherself
464
00:30:27,061 --> 00:30:28,829
to tell me one thingabout it.
465
00:30:29,798 --> 00:30:31,131
What the fuck?
466
00:30:32,366 --> 00:30:34,335
When you're looking back,
I can figure things out.
467
00:30:34,468 --> 00:30:36,437
I can put things
together over the years,
468
00:30:36,571 --> 00:30:39,574
but back then, it wasa total fucking mystery.
469
00:31:24,151 --> 00:31:26,120
There was something
that she just didn't like
470
00:31:26,253 --> 00:31:29,356
about family
traditional settings,
471
00:31:29,490 --> 00:31:32,292
and there were times whenwe would have Christmas dinner
472
00:31:32,426 --> 00:31:34,027
and it was, you know, friends.
473
00:31:34,662 --> 00:31:38,198
But Margaret preferred
not to have kids around.
474
00:31:39,868 --> 00:31:42,302
Margaret's rocket fuelwas anger.
475
00:31:44,905 --> 00:31:46,541
You never stopped sensing
476
00:31:46,674 --> 00:31:48,510
that somewhere in there,
477
00:31:48,643 --> 00:31:51,311
something was propelling herlike a bat out of hell,
478
00:31:51,445 --> 00:31:54,915
out of her own past,her own childhood.
479
00:32:00,822 --> 00:32:03,424
We were hanging out,you know, in Houston
480
00:32:03,558 --> 00:32:06,694
and we're just, like, doingwhat we do around the table.
481
00:32:07,695 --> 00:32:09,463
I'd be playing my bass
482
00:32:11,098 --> 00:32:12,600
and she's started to draw...
483
00:32:21,543 --> 00:32:24,244
I mean,there's a nightmare for you.
484
00:32:25,580 --> 00:32:28,315
Who'd draw stufflike that, you know?
485
00:32:38,492 --> 00:32:41,395
It's come straightout of her childhood.
486
00:32:47,267 --> 00:32:49,403
You know, she wasa terrified little girl
487
00:32:49,537 --> 00:32:51,639
asking somebodynot to hurt her.
488
00:32:53,307 --> 00:32:54,943
But to me,the most significant thing
489
00:32:55,075 --> 00:32:57,812
in those sketcheswas that she drew herself
490
00:32:57,946 --> 00:33:00,280
with the black hairand the dark eyes
491
00:33:00,981 --> 00:33:02,483
when she was a child.
492
00:33:03,651 --> 00:33:06,721
Like, that she thoughtof herself that way,
493
00:33:06,855 --> 00:33:08,255
that long ago.
494
00:33:09,591 --> 00:33:12,292
She was activelyrewriting her story
495
00:33:12,426 --> 00:33:15,162
while that trauma wasstill being visited on her.
496
00:33:18,499 --> 00:33:19,868
Margaret Moth was a character.
497
00:33:20,434 --> 00:33:22,002
Moth is not her last name.
498
00:33:22,135 --> 00:33:23,505
Her last name is Wilson.
499
00:33:24,772 --> 00:33:26,941
She had inventedthe entire thing
500
00:33:27,074 --> 00:33:28,342
a long time ago.
501
00:33:31,178 --> 00:33:32,279
She was a littleblonde-haired,
502
00:33:32,412 --> 00:33:33,681
blue-eyed,12-year-old
503
00:33:33,815 --> 00:33:35,717
when she conceivedof that look.
504
00:33:39,654 --> 00:33:43,725
Why she rejected herblonde, blue-eyed self?
505
00:33:45,158 --> 00:33:46,426
It was a mystery.
506
00:33:52,634 --> 00:33:55,135
We were nevera close family.
507
00:33:56,403 --> 00:33:58,606
We were never told
that we were loved, ever,
508
00:33:58,840 --> 00:33:59,974
by either parent.
509
00:34:01,074 --> 00:34:03,443
We never knew whether dadwas gonna come home sober
510
00:34:03,578 --> 00:34:05,379
or come homeat all, half the time.
511
00:34:05,847 --> 00:34:08,415
And six o'clock, we'd hear
the car come up the driveway
512
00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:12,020
and all our little faces
would turned towards the door
513
00:34:12,152 --> 00:34:13,420
as he walked in and youcould...
514
00:34:13,555 --> 00:34:15,690
you could justfeel the tension.
515
00:34:18,058 --> 00:34:19,426
It was quite scary.
516
00:34:20,628 --> 00:34:22,296
But Mum was probablymore violent
517
00:34:22,429 --> 00:34:24,331
- than what Dad was.- Yes.
518
00:34:25,700 --> 00:34:27,535
When she lost it,
her eyes...
519
00:34:27,802 --> 00:34:30,772
her eyes would go black
like a demon.
520
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,108
I remember Margaretsaying about that,
521
00:34:35,242 --> 00:34:36,443
you know,
"Beware of Mum's eyes."
522
00:34:36,578 --> 00:34:38,245
-"They will go black."
-Yeah.
523
00:34:38,378 --> 00:34:40,582
It was pretty violent
discipline in those days.
524
00:34:40,715 --> 00:34:43,083
It was either a hairbrush
or a coat hanger
525
00:34:43,216 --> 00:34:44,752
or a razor strop or a belt.
526
00:34:47,187 --> 00:34:50,324
It used to wrap
right around her hand.
527
00:34:50,457 --> 00:34:53,595
Hold her hand out and it
would wrap right round.
528
00:34:54,094 --> 00:34:55,630
with a buckle.
529
00:34:56,698 --> 00:34:59,000
She said, "If the pill had
been around in those days...
530
00:34:59,132 --> 00:35:00,635
none of youse
would've been here."
531
00:35:04,872 --> 00:35:07,875
Margaret startedshredding the ties that bind
532
00:35:08,009 --> 00:35:09,711
at a very young age.
533
00:36:14,542 --> 00:36:16,343
The first time I met
and worked with Margaret
534
00:36:16,476 --> 00:36:20,815
was in Sarajevo
in June and July of 1992.
535
00:36:20,948 --> 00:36:22,684
The peopleof Sarajevo
536
00:36:22,817 --> 00:36:25,119
have been under siegefor almost eight months.
537
00:36:25,252 --> 00:36:26,721
They have very little food,
538
00:36:26,854 --> 00:36:29,590
no electricityand almost no water.
539
00:36:31,592 --> 00:36:32,593
This,at the time,
540
00:36:32,727 --> 00:36:35,029
was the worst war in Europe
541
00:36:35,163 --> 00:36:37,197
since the end of World War II.
542
00:36:37,865 --> 00:36:40,068
It's war against civilians.
It's a war crime.
543
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,838
And that's what Margaret's
pictures started to record.
544
00:36:43,971 --> 00:36:45,973
Snipers hiddenin these buildings,
545
00:36:46,107 --> 00:36:47,474
which the Serbs control,
546
00:36:47,608 --> 00:36:49,977
kill or wound peoplealmost every day.
547
00:36:50,111 --> 00:36:51,679
Sniper Alley,
548
00:36:51,813 --> 00:36:54,649
the most dangerous roadin Sarajevo.
549
00:36:56,283 --> 00:36:57,952
Evenwhen the big guns go quiet,
550
00:36:58,086 --> 00:36:59,854
the snipers never quit.
551
00:36:59,987 --> 00:37:01,756
Barely a minute goes by
552
00:37:01,889 --> 00:37:04,992
without snipers firinga terrified resident.
553
00:37:05,727 --> 00:37:08,261
You know, the captors
or the aggressors
554
00:37:08,395 --> 00:37:09,831
could see the victims.
555
00:37:09,964 --> 00:37:11,599
They could see themthrough their sights,
556
00:37:11,733 --> 00:37:14,702
because they were just a few
hundred yards over there.
557
00:37:14,836 --> 00:37:18,706
And they actually, physically,
took aim at children...
558
00:37:20,942 --> 00:37:22,610
running, trying to crossa road,
559
00:37:22,744 --> 00:37:23,978
you know,behind containers.
560
00:37:25,713 --> 00:37:28,448
And the worldstill would not intervene.
561
00:37:28,850 --> 00:37:30,985
Sarajevo'slatest casualty.
562
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:33,353
He was seven-years-old.
563
00:37:34,922 --> 00:37:37,457
His sister screamed,"Is my brother alive?"
564
00:37:37,592 --> 00:37:39,426
His mother didn't knowthe answer.
565
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:40,862
She too had been hit.
566
00:37:43,097 --> 00:37:46,100
We came undermortar fire and attack.
567
00:37:47,635 --> 00:37:49,302
Margaret was out shooting.
568
00:37:49,436 --> 00:37:52,940
Finally, she came back inwhen she got all the pictures.
569
00:37:53,074 --> 00:37:54,675
But it was really scary.
570
00:37:54,809 --> 00:37:56,476
And I remember
saying to my producer,
571
00:37:56,611 --> 00:37:57,779
and then
afterwards to Margaret,
572
00:37:57,912 --> 00:37:59,379
"I'm sorry.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
573
00:37:59,514 --> 00:38:00,915
I'm sorry, I brought you here.
574
00:38:01,048 --> 00:38:03,885
I promise, if we survive,
we'll never do this again.
575
00:38:04,018 --> 00:38:05,418
We'll never put
you in danger again.
576
00:38:05,553 --> 00:38:07,588
I'll never, ever risk
our lives again."
577
00:38:07,722 --> 00:38:09,557
And the very next day, we did.
578
00:38:14,629 --> 00:38:16,329
In the early daysin Sarajevo,
579
00:38:16,463 --> 00:38:19,066
there was verylittle protective gear.
580
00:38:19,767 --> 00:38:21,102
There were some flag jackets,
581
00:38:21,235 --> 00:38:23,104
but nobody was wearing
helmets at that time.
582
00:38:23,237 --> 00:38:25,740
You relied on the fact
that you had a press pass,
583
00:38:26,641 --> 00:38:28,643
and your car had "TV."
584
00:38:29,911 --> 00:38:32,847
It was the first timethat jounalists
585
00:38:32,980 --> 00:38:36,717
were deliberatelypicked on by snipers.
586
00:38:43,090 --> 00:38:45,193
We were plenty-pissed
that the sniper shot at us.
587
00:38:45,325 --> 00:38:47,595
The first time I went out
there, I was really afraid.
588
00:38:47,728 --> 00:38:50,565
I was sitting on the aeroplane
going into, um, Zagreb.
589
00:38:50,698 --> 00:38:52,700
And I thought...
590
00:38:52,834 --> 00:38:55,102
"Oh, my
God! Say, I lose a leg?
591
00:38:55,236 --> 00:38:56,704
What if I lose a leg?"
592
00:38:56,838 --> 00:38:58,806
I kept thinking I was
gonna lose a leg, not my life,
593
00:38:58,940 --> 00:39:00,508
just, "What am I gonna do?"
You know.
594
00:39:00,641 --> 00:39:02,977
Um, and I think
that's one of the things
595
00:39:03,110 --> 00:39:04,979
that some of us
have said in the past.
596
00:39:05,112 --> 00:39:07,347
If you admit
that you are frightened,
597
00:39:08,415 --> 00:39:11,219
somehow,
you're more concentrated.
598
00:39:11,351 --> 00:39:13,721
Because,
if you're too gung-ho,
599
00:39:13,855 --> 00:39:15,022
you're not really
concentrating
600
00:39:15,156 --> 00:39:15,990
in the right way.
601
00:39:18,526 --> 00:39:19,426
I remembertelling Margaret
602
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:20,895
who'd been there
603
00:39:21,028 --> 00:39:22,597
at least two weekslonger than I had,
604
00:39:22,730 --> 00:39:24,298
that she should leave as well,
605
00:39:24,431 --> 00:39:29,003
because there's only so much
Russian roulette you can play.
606
00:40:02,803 --> 00:40:03,971
When we first went out there,
607
00:40:04,105 --> 00:40:05,072
I met up with Martin Bell
608
00:40:05,206 --> 00:40:07,108
and he showed me
a white Carlton Estate
609
00:40:07,241 --> 00:40:08,276
with no windows.
610
00:40:08,408 --> 00:40:09,844
He said,
"This is the camera car."
611
00:40:09,977 --> 00:40:11,779
"Yeah, great.
Where is the camera car?"
612
00:40:11,913 --> 00:40:13,681
"No, no,
this is the camera car."
613
00:40:15,316 --> 00:40:17,785
So, I mean, we'reall in soft-skin vehicles.
614
00:40:17,919 --> 00:40:20,121
Oh, we sometimes had
"Press" written on the side.
615
00:40:21,989 --> 00:40:24,191
But we wouldalso go in convoys.
616
00:40:27,762 --> 00:40:29,297
I think that gives youa certain strength,
617
00:40:29,429 --> 00:40:31,532
the feeling that, you know,we're together in this.
618
00:40:35,269 --> 00:40:37,838
Well, one daywe're driving around town.
619
00:40:37,972 --> 00:40:40,007
The road was clear,
we drove down into the city
620
00:40:40,141 --> 00:40:42,677
to the Holiday Inn, the hotelwe were all staying at.
621
00:40:43,945 --> 00:40:45,613
Now, you have to understand,the Holiday Inn
622
00:40:45,746 --> 00:40:47,181
was not your Holiday Inn.
623
00:40:48,416 --> 00:40:50,051
It was not your average hotel.
624
00:40:51,819 --> 00:40:54,055
There's a lot of gunfirehappening around the area.
625
00:40:55,923 --> 00:40:58,125
It was obviously a verynice hotel before the war,
626
00:40:58,259 --> 00:41:01,028
but it had been struckagain and again.
627
00:41:06,033 --> 00:41:10,004
It was sort of soddenand destroyed and pock-marked.
628
00:41:11,973 --> 00:41:14,642
You have to understandthat war is...
629
00:41:14,775 --> 00:41:17,912
does peculiar things
to the things that you behold,
630
00:41:18,045 --> 00:41:20,581
order and normalcy
that has been shattered.
631
00:41:28,356 --> 00:41:31,225
There is somethingpoetic about roads
632
00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:33,160
that have no traffic on.
633
00:41:33,627 --> 00:41:35,863
There's just us.
634
00:41:39,166 --> 00:41:40,901
I remember itlike a nightmare,
635
00:41:41,035 --> 00:41:43,237
but at least in the nightmareyou can flail,
636
00:41:43,371 --> 00:41:46,007
you can panic,and you can wake up.
637
00:41:47,942 --> 00:41:50,544
That day was somethingyou couldn't escape from.
638
00:41:55,516 --> 00:41:57,818
We have our armed vests on.
639
00:42:02,590 --> 00:42:04,759
You have the big long avenue.
640
00:42:06,460 --> 00:42:07,728
And before,there were nice shrubs
641
00:42:07,862 --> 00:42:09,096
growing down the middle,
642
00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:10,231
they've all beencrushed and dried.
643
00:42:12,733 --> 00:42:14,101
The trees were flowering.
644
00:42:14,235 --> 00:42:16,303
Now they've got chips,
aggressive chips
645
00:42:16,437 --> 00:42:18,739
and bark missing and scoured.
646
00:42:18,873 --> 00:42:20,141
The trees have been scoured
647
00:42:20,274 --> 00:42:21,675
and branches
have turned into splinters.
648
00:42:21,809 --> 00:42:23,144
The leaves are all gone.
649
00:42:25,846 --> 00:42:27,782
The trolley lines...
650
00:42:29,650 --> 00:42:31,919
are now snaking
across the ground.
651
00:42:33,087 --> 00:42:34,922
They're with thesemetal kind of crosses,
652
00:42:35,056 --> 00:42:37,691
great big metal crosses,like roadblocks.
653
00:42:38,392 --> 00:42:40,261
So you'd have to go round,
654
00:42:40,995 --> 00:42:43,464
which makes it harder
to... to be a target.
655
00:42:44,632 --> 00:42:46,834
You driveany damn way you want.
656
00:42:46,967 --> 00:42:48,402
There's no rules.
657
00:42:48,537 --> 00:42:51,005
We just squirve left into...
like, in the movies,
658
00:42:51,138 --> 00:42:54,475
you goover the trolley lines.
659
00:42:54,608 --> 00:42:55,876
It's Mad Max.
660
00:42:58,312 --> 00:43:01,148
Margaret and Mark are seatedin the back of the van.
661
00:43:01,282 --> 00:43:03,150
I'm seatedin the front passenger seat.
662
00:43:03,284 --> 00:43:05,052
They're saying, "Well,
here's this, here's that,"
663
00:43:05,186 --> 00:43:07,288
and I'm looking, and there's
the apartment buildings there,
664
00:43:07,421 --> 00:43:09,790
and I'm looking left and
right, and all of a sudden...
665
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,796
I sawsome, like, flash.
666
00:43:17,198 --> 00:43:20,334
I just felta mist of glass.
667
00:43:22,169 --> 00:43:23,704
I didn't know whether it'd
gone over mine or something.
668
00:43:23,838 --> 00:43:25,139
I didn't know
what had happened.
669
00:43:25,272 --> 00:43:26,440
I didn't know
if it was a gun or whatever.
670
00:43:26,575 --> 00:43:27,842
It was just like a loud crack.
671
00:43:28,642 --> 00:43:30,010
It's almost like, you know,
672
00:43:30,144 --> 00:43:31,580
you're touching the static
and it goes into it.
673
00:43:31,712 --> 00:43:32,813
It is just that...
674
00:43:32,947 --> 00:43:34,448
I laughed. I laughed.
675
00:43:34,583 --> 00:43:35,883
And I'm leaning forward now.
676
00:43:36,016 --> 00:43:37,485
I'm hunched down
and I grabbed my helmet
677
00:43:37,618 --> 00:43:38,919
and I put it on my head,
678
00:43:39,053 --> 00:43:41,789
unaware, that behind me,
Margaret's been shot.
679
00:43:43,491 --> 00:43:47,194
Our driver spins the cararound and he starts driving.
680
00:43:48,597 --> 00:43:50,364
You know, we're racing,
I look forward again,
681
00:43:50,498 --> 00:43:51,866
and the next time I look back,
682
00:43:51,999 --> 00:43:54,802
she slumped over this way,
on Mark's shoulder.
683
00:43:54,935 --> 00:43:57,705
He's wearing a white shirt,
and she's starting to go,
684
00:43:57,838 --> 00:43:59,807
because she's...
685
00:43:59,940 --> 00:44:02,710
blood is drainingin down her throat.
686
00:44:03,777 --> 00:44:05,614
Her eyes, with her mascara.
687
00:44:05,746 --> 00:44:08,115
Her eyes are like,
diamond sharp light.
688
00:44:09,717 --> 00:44:12,353
We race into town, careeningover the trolley lines
689
00:44:12,486 --> 00:44:15,489
and pull upin front of the hospital.
690
00:44:15,624 --> 00:44:17,291
And I'm screaming,
691
00:44:17,424 --> 00:44:18,192
"You gotta help, she can'tbreathe, you got to help her."
692
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,196
But I don't see
that her jaw is gone.
693
00:44:22,329 --> 00:44:24,198
I think she's holding
it in place, still.
694
00:44:27,569 --> 00:44:29,069
CNN's Stefan Kutsonis
695
00:44:29,203 --> 00:44:31,172
was with Moth and Delmage
during the shooting,
696
00:44:31,305 --> 00:44:33,642
and he joins us now
from Sarajevo by phone
697
00:44:33,774 --> 00:44:35,176
with an update
on the situation.
698
00:44:35,309 --> 00:44:37,512
We want to warn you
that he has graphic details
699
00:44:37,646 --> 00:44:38,580
of this attack.
700
00:44:38,712 --> 00:44:40,447
Stefan, bring us up to date.
701
00:44:40,881 --> 00:44:42,183
Hello.
702
00:44:42,316 --> 00:44:43,884
First of all,I'd like to say that
703
00:44:44,018 --> 00:44:45,520
Margaret is still insurgery right now,
704
00:44:45,654 --> 00:44:47,188
and the doctors have now said
705
00:44:47,321 --> 00:44:48,956
that it's not guaranteedthat she will survive this.
706
00:44:49,089 --> 00:44:50,559
The severe injuries
707
00:44:50,691 --> 00:44:53,460
to her head and throatare like, very serious.
708
00:44:53,595 --> 00:44:55,262
Uh, even ifshe does survive it,
709
00:44:55,396 --> 00:44:57,464
her life will be verydifferent from now on.
710
00:44:57,599 --> 00:44:58,933
I was so overwhelmed.
711
00:44:59,066 --> 00:45:00,367
You know, I was brimming,
712
00:45:00,501 --> 00:45:03,904
exploding with emotion
and stress and fear.
713
00:45:04,038 --> 00:45:05,839
I still at this point had
blood
714
00:45:05,973 --> 00:45:07,174
all over my pants
and shoes,
715
00:45:07,308 --> 00:45:08,876
and I didn't know
what was coming next.
716
00:45:09,009 --> 00:45:10,878
I was told
she may not survive.
717
00:45:11,011 --> 00:45:13,682
She was rushedto Sarajevo's main hospital
718
00:45:13,814 --> 00:45:17,151
where doctors spent four hourspatching-up her shattered jaw.
719
00:45:17,284 --> 00:45:19,987
She needed a tracheotomyso she could breathe.
720
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,056
All of this part is gone.
721
00:45:22,189 --> 00:45:26,260
And this part has swollen
out like a watermelon.
722
00:45:27,127 --> 00:45:28,829
I remember seeingall of her upper molars,
723
00:45:28,963 --> 00:45:30,264
you know how each molar
724
00:45:30,397 --> 00:45:31,666
has four littlepoints on it, sort of?
725
00:45:31,799 --> 00:45:33,367
The shockwave it had--
726
00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:36,270
It justshattered these molars.
727
00:45:36,737 --> 00:45:38,272
They were now splinters.
728
00:45:38,405 --> 00:45:40,975
I got a call from my bosses
that Margaret had been shot.
729
00:45:41,108 --> 00:45:42,409
And at first I thought,
730
00:45:42,544 --> 00:45:43,678
"My God, don't tell
me she's been killed."
731
00:45:43,811 --> 00:45:45,145
"No, she hasn't been killed,
732
00:45:45,279 --> 00:45:48,617
but she's been very,
very badly injured,
733
00:45:48,749 --> 00:45:49,950
and she was sniped."
734
00:45:50,084 --> 00:45:51,285
And I knew exactly
what had happened,
735
00:45:51,418 --> 00:45:54,188
because we had been sniped
for weeks.
736
00:45:57,791 --> 00:45:59,927
Everybody wasin a state of shock.
737
00:46:01,529 --> 00:46:03,531
And I remember talkingto a medic and I said,
738
00:46:03,665 --> 00:46:05,966
"How is Margaret?So, she's been airlifted?"
739
00:46:06,100 --> 00:46:07,535
He said, "But you know, pfft,
740
00:46:07,669 --> 00:46:09,604
probably best if she died."
741
00:46:09,738 --> 00:46:11,038
I said, "What?"
742
00:46:11,171 --> 00:46:12,373
He said, "Yeah, you know,
with those injuries,
743
00:46:12,507 --> 00:46:13,874
I mean, really,
would you wanna
744
00:46:14,008 --> 00:46:15,342
have those injuries
to your face?"
745
00:46:18,245 --> 00:46:20,247
They gave hera blood transfusion.
746
00:46:21,248 --> 00:46:25,386
She was airlifted out tothe Mayo Clinic in Minnesota.
747
00:46:27,254 --> 00:46:28,623
And I didn't knowwhat I was going to find
748
00:46:28,757 --> 00:46:30,324
when I got to the hospital.
749
00:46:32,092 --> 00:46:33,360
She was unrecognizable.
750
00:46:33,494 --> 00:46:35,496
And at the time,
she couldn't talk,
751
00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:37,364
but she could do some writing.
752
00:46:42,469 --> 00:46:44,938
I went in and
she looked at me.
753
00:46:45,806 --> 00:46:47,575
And I'll never forget,
it was...
754
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:50,911
this look in her,
you know, big blue eyes.
755
00:46:51,045 --> 00:46:52,514
and she was...
756
00:46:52,647 --> 00:46:55,750
started crying
and kicking her legs,
757
00:46:55,883 --> 00:47:00,087
trying to talk to me, like,
"Look, what's happened to me."
758
00:47:05,694 --> 00:47:08,596
And I was trying to calm
her down and it was really...
759
00:47:10,864 --> 00:47:11,999
...tough.
760
00:47:12,132 --> 00:47:14,335
It was a very tough moment.
761
00:47:15,770 --> 00:47:17,104
I work at Kinkos,
762
00:47:17,739 --> 00:47:19,674
they put me on a registerin the front.
763
00:47:20,775 --> 00:47:23,010
These two guys
were getting their coffees,
764
00:47:23,143 --> 00:47:24,345
you know, getting their money
out and whatever,
765
00:47:24,478 --> 00:47:26,013
this guy said
to the other guy,
766
00:47:26,146 --> 00:47:27,948
he said, "Did you hear
about Margaret Moth?"
767
00:47:28,082 --> 00:47:30,752
And he said, "Yes,
she got shot in Sarajevo."
768
00:47:30,884 --> 00:47:32,620
"It blew her jaw right off."
769
00:47:32,754 --> 00:47:34,154
"She's not gonna make it."
770
00:47:35,623 --> 00:47:38,560
That's how I heardabout it... from strangers.
771
00:47:39,993 --> 00:47:42,963
I was really angry
from that point forward.
772
00:47:43,765 --> 00:47:45,065
I was livid.
773
00:47:46,300 --> 00:47:49,436
My Margaret diedon Sniper Alley.
774
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:52,873
She didn't come back.
775
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:34,709
Yeah, mum rang and told me
776
00:49:34,843 --> 00:49:37,912
that she'd been shot
in the face by a sniper.
777
00:49:38,045 --> 00:49:39,313
Yeah.
778
00:49:40,414 --> 00:49:41,683
Well, you're sort of like...
779
00:49:41,816 --> 00:49:45,152
until I saw her,
I didn't realize the extent.
780
00:49:45,620 --> 00:49:46,621
Mm.
781
00:49:49,122 --> 00:49:50,625
Yeah, she was very vain.
782
00:49:50,758 --> 00:49:53,193
And my first thought
when she got shot was,
783
00:49:53,327 --> 00:49:56,731
"Oh, my God, for that to
happen to Maggie's face...
784
00:49:57,665 --> 00:49:59,099
was incredible."
785
00:50:17,685 --> 00:50:20,588
They started puttingher face together.
786
00:50:21,255 --> 00:50:23,457
And they hadto rebuild her jaw
787
00:50:23,591 --> 00:50:26,326
because the jawhad been blown off.
788
00:50:27,996 --> 00:50:29,597
She had lost all her teeth,
789
00:50:29,731 --> 00:50:32,600
and it was always
as typical Margaret,
790
00:50:32,734 --> 00:50:34,636
that she would say,
791
00:50:34,769 --> 00:50:37,404
"I want to go back to Sarajevo
and look for my teeth."
792
00:51:28,155 --> 00:51:29,289
The French guy?
793
00:51:29,757 --> 00:51:32,060
Mum saidthat she didn't like him.
794
00:51:33,027 --> 00:51:35,763
Maggie alwayshad younger boyfriends.
795
00:51:35,897 --> 00:51:38,032
You know, they'd be alllovely-dovey on phone,
796
00:51:38,165 --> 00:51:39,701
and I couldn't believe her.
797
00:51:39,834 --> 00:51:43,337
I never heard Maggie talk like
that to anybody, you know?
798
00:51:43,470 --> 00:51:45,506
So, yeah, it was strange.
799
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,274
She's laying there bandaged
800
00:51:47,407 --> 00:51:49,276
and was supposed to be
all sterile and everything.
801
00:51:49,409 --> 00:51:51,478
And he's climbing
all over the top of her
802
00:51:51,613 --> 00:51:52,814
and kissing
her and cuddling her
803
00:51:52,947 --> 00:51:54,749
and rubbing his
hands all over her,
804
00:51:54,882 --> 00:51:57,652
yeah, but Mum wasn't
impressed at all.
805
00:52:03,725 --> 00:52:05,392
Mum didn't like itbecause she reckoned
806
00:52:05,526 --> 00:52:07,461
he was selling stuffout of Margaret's flat
807
00:52:07,595 --> 00:52:09,631
while she was in hospital.
808
00:52:09,764 --> 00:52:11,231
Stealingit and then selling it.
809
00:52:12,199 --> 00:52:15,202
Finally, she found outthat he was a heroin addict.
810
00:52:24,612 --> 00:52:28,116
Maggie had the money
and he didn't.
811
00:52:28,248 --> 00:52:30,484
So, maybe it was
that sort of relationship.
812
00:52:30,618 --> 00:52:32,319
She... she nurtured him
813
00:52:32,452 --> 00:52:34,956
and he was happy
to go along with it.
814
00:54:37,145 --> 00:54:40,114
Well, at this point,we had been apart for so long,
815
00:54:40,681 --> 00:54:42,150
very, very little contact.
816
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:45,385
I was too ashamedto talk to her,
817
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:46,721
because my life had just
818
00:54:46,854 --> 00:54:49,289
revolved around
drinking and drugs,
819
00:54:49,422 --> 00:54:52,425
and I just couldn't...
deal with it.
820
00:54:56,564 --> 00:54:57,965
Couple of timesshe sent me a ticket,
821
00:54:58,099 --> 00:55:00,234
and I couldn't stay soberlong enough
822
00:55:00,367 --> 00:55:01,669
to get on an airplane.
823
00:55:05,773 --> 00:55:07,975
All I could see
was what I had lost,
824
00:55:08,109 --> 00:55:10,343
you know,
not what she had lost.
825
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,849
I disappointed her a lot.
826
00:55:17,450 --> 00:55:20,521
I rejected her
on almost every level.
827
00:56:31,926 --> 00:56:33,661
Before she was shot,
828
00:56:33,794 --> 00:56:35,462
people would starebecause she was so beautiful,
829
00:56:35,596 --> 00:56:38,766
and with theselong flowing skirts.
830
00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:41,168
But after she was shot,
831
00:56:41,302 --> 00:56:44,038
her mouth was crooked and
she lost part of her tongue.
832
00:56:45,438 --> 00:56:46,473
She didn't have teeth,
833
00:56:46,607 --> 00:56:48,109
and you don't have teeth,
834
00:56:48,242 --> 00:56:50,945
you can't eat properly,you can't speak properly.
835
00:57:01,889 --> 00:57:03,858
People would stare.
836
00:57:59,013 --> 00:58:00,614
The sniperon Sniper Alley
837
00:58:00,748 --> 00:58:02,183
wasn't gonna bring her down.
838
00:58:03,284 --> 00:58:04,652
She was better than that.
839
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,976
She went into a little capsuleand, you know,
840
00:58:29,110 --> 00:58:32,513
like a cocoon,and came out something other.
841
00:58:49,964 --> 00:58:51,799
I think for Margaret,
842
00:58:51,932 --> 00:58:54,301
anything else butradical acceptance
843
00:58:54,435 --> 00:58:55,736
would have been defeat.
844
00:59:09,483 --> 00:59:11,886
At some point,Margaret realized
845
00:59:12,019 --> 00:59:15,289
she needed to fighttooth and nail to get back.
846
00:59:18,325 --> 00:59:21,362
My God, the inner physical
strength of that woman.
847
00:59:22,263 --> 00:59:25,766
And back,
all the way.
848
00:59:27,001 --> 00:59:28,769
Let's go
down to the bed first.
849
00:59:33,340 --> 00:59:35,476
She had the gutsto just say,
850
00:59:35,609 --> 00:59:38,712
"Don'tstrip me of my pride."
851
00:59:38,846 --> 00:59:39,747
Can
you reach your hand
852
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,315
to the headboard?
853
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:47,088
Okay, open
as wide as you can for me.
854
00:59:47,221 --> 00:59:48,956
I know
you can't open it very wide.
855
00:59:50,124 --> 00:59:51,592
I'm just trying
to look and see
856
00:59:51,725 --> 00:59:53,327
if you have any sutures
that I can see.
857
00:59:53,461 --> 00:59:55,329
Can you feel your lower lip
any better now?
858
00:59:55,463 --> 00:59:58,866
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I can feel it right over here.
859
00:59:58,999 --> 01:00:00,569
Very good. Good.
860
01:00:00,701 --> 01:00:02,269
I feel pressure.
861
01:00:02,403 --> 01:00:05,206
I never saw her spirit flag.
862
01:00:05,339 --> 01:00:08,142
I never saw her
feel sorry for herself.
863
01:00:08,943 --> 01:00:11,979
I never saw her say, "No,"to any challenge.
864
01:00:27,294 --> 01:00:29,296
Well, she was very keen
to return to work
865
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:30,865
as soon as possible.
866
01:00:35,202 --> 01:00:37,506
The international deskhad recommended
867
01:00:37,638 --> 01:00:41,675
that she take it easyin terms of assignments.
868
01:00:43,978 --> 01:00:46,147
She did her shareof the various stories
869
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,115
that we were doing in Paris.
870
01:00:48,249 --> 01:00:50,519
How romantic, okay, excuse me.
871
01:00:50,651 --> 01:00:51,919
Her mental state was,
872
01:00:52,052 --> 01:00:53,888
you know, "I'm going to go
back to work."
873
01:00:56,257 --> 01:00:59,059
But it was not easyto go back to work.
874
01:00:59,193 --> 01:01:00,895
Ah!
These two ladies here.
875
01:01:01,028 --> 01:01:02,396
She was weak.
876
01:01:02,531 --> 01:01:05,833
She had been fed through
a tube into her stomach
877
01:01:05,966 --> 01:01:09,870
because she couldn't eat
and she had lost weight.
878
01:01:10,871 --> 01:01:12,973
Margaret wanted to do
what she loved to do,
879
01:01:13,107 --> 01:01:15,142
and that was covering war.
880
01:01:15,276 --> 01:01:16,611
Three, two, one.
881
01:01:16,744 --> 01:01:17,978
The union say,
882
01:01:18,112 --> 01:01:20,114
"Thursday's action
is just a warning."
883
01:01:22,216 --> 01:01:23,784
She did complainabout the fact
884
01:01:23,918 --> 01:01:26,020
that myselfand the assignments editor
885
01:01:26,153 --> 01:01:28,289
were deliberately plottingto keep her away
886
01:01:28,422 --> 01:01:29,790
from what she considered
887
01:01:29,924 --> 01:01:31,526
to be the essential storiesof the day
888
01:01:31,660 --> 01:01:33,227
and she felt hard done by.
889
01:01:35,095 --> 01:01:36,565
One of the thingsthat stood out
890
01:01:36,697 --> 01:01:37,965
for the rest of us inthe Bureau, of course,
891
01:01:38,098 --> 01:01:39,166
was the fact that Margaret
892
01:01:39,300 --> 01:01:41,101
found it very difficult
to talk.
893
01:01:51,145 --> 01:01:52,846
Down here was still
her physical strength
894
01:01:52,980 --> 01:01:54,148
because she would
still lift the cameras.
895
01:01:54,281 --> 01:01:55,883
There was no
slowing down of that.
896
01:01:56,016 --> 01:01:58,352
But it was very hard for herto work with you
897
01:01:58,485 --> 01:02:01,422
when she didn't have a tongue
to communicate properly.
898
01:02:03,290 --> 01:02:04,792
She would talk and it was,just drool was coming out.
899
01:02:04,925 --> 01:02:06,260
She always hadto dab her mouth.
900
01:02:06,393 --> 01:02:08,329
She couldn't controlthe drool, right?
901
01:02:08,462 --> 01:02:09,797
She'd say, "Oh, I--"
902
01:02:09,930 --> 01:02:11,298
And you'd say,
"I'm sorry, what?"
903
01:02:11,432 --> 01:02:13,801
She'd either say
it again more slowly,
904
01:02:13,934 --> 01:02:15,169
so you can get it, or she
would nod,
905
01:02:15,302 --> 01:02:16,638
do this and pull
out her...
906
01:02:16,770 --> 01:02:18,105
her reporter's pad
and write it down
907
01:02:18,239 --> 01:02:19,907
like that and say,
"Do you want this?"
908
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:20,975
"Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure."
909
01:02:21,108 --> 01:02:22,810
"Let's do that then."
910
01:02:22,943 --> 01:02:26,347
Nobody else had to work forher because of her infirmity.
911
01:02:27,147 --> 01:02:28,482
But she had to work harder.
912
01:02:29,551 --> 01:02:31,252
Yeah, yeah, a bit. Um...
913
01:02:39,694 --> 01:02:42,363
She wanted to beon the front line.
914
01:02:43,230 --> 01:02:47,602
She said,
"I am going back to war."
915
01:02:48,369 --> 01:02:51,405
"And nobody is going to standin my way."
916
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,209
The indicationfrom the assignments editor
917
01:02:55,342 --> 01:02:57,478
on the international deskwas to try and avoid
918
01:02:57,612 --> 01:03:00,247
sending Margaret tosituations where she
919
01:03:00,381 --> 01:03:02,517
where she would be
more at risk
920
01:03:02,651 --> 01:03:05,352
because of the lack
of medical facilities
921
01:03:05,486 --> 01:03:06,621
or the danger.
922
01:03:06,755 --> 01:03:08,389
I mean, if she was
to get hurt again, I mean,
923
01:03:08,523 --> 01:03:12,126
if she were hit in the face
by a rock or something...
924
01:03:13,093 --> 01:03:15,062
There were people who
came to me,
925
01:03:15,195 --> 01:03:16,698
and said "Tom,
you can't let her do it.
926
01:03:16,830 --> 01:03:18,165
You cannot let her do it.
927
01:03:18,299 --> 01:03:20,200
You'll have blood
on your hands."
928
01:03:20,334 --> 01:03:23,070
But Margaret didn't see it
quite the same way.
929
01:03:23,638 --> 01:03:25,573
Look, I have a black
bullet-proof vest.
930
01:03:25,707 --> 01:03:26,775
Cool.
931
01:03:26,907 --> 01:03:28,909
She was so all in.
932
01:03:30,545 --> 01:03:32,046
She hadonly one way forward,
933
01:03:32,179 --> 01:03:33,648
and that was to walkstraight back
934
01:03:33,782 --> 01:03:35,149
into the lion's den.
935
01:03:44,958 --> 01:03:47,995
CNN, Cyangugu, Rwanda.
936
01:03:54,101 --> 01:03:55,570
Margaret liked being near...
near the action.
937
01:03:55,704 --> 01:03:57,739
So she didn't want
to be in headquarters,
938
01:03:57,871 --> 01:03:58,906
or she didn't want
to be in place
939
01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:01,075
there was a little action.
940
01:04:18,425 --> 01:04:20,427
Even with her injuries,
941
01:04:20,562 --> 01:04:23,497
she was drivenby some other fuel source
942
01:04:23,631 --> 01:04:25,432
than most people are.
943
01:04:30,739 --> 01:04:34,041
Margaret andthe crew are in the West Bank.
944
01:04:34,174 --> 01:04:37,077
And an IDF,Israeli Defence Force
945
01:04:37,211 --> 01:04:38,613
armoured Jeep pulls up.
946
01:04:42,383 --> 01:04:45,419
The Israeli soldiersfire some kind of tear gas
947
01:04:45,553 --> 01:04:46,987
or other grenade or something.
948
01:04:47,121 --> 01:04:48,422
So they're aiming at
949
01:04:48,556 --> 01:04:50,057
right at thesejournalists, right?
950
01:04:52,326 --> 01:04:54,928
Then they ram the front
of CNN's Land Rover.
951
01:05:08,576 --> 01:05:10,978
As you can hear Margaret
say in that piece, she says,
952
01:05:11,111 --> 01:05:12,446
"Who got me in the foot?"
953
01:05:13,715 --> 01:05:15,983
Then you see a guy
steps out and goes,
954
01:05:16,116 --> 01:05:19,186
pow, he fires point blank
at the glass.
955
01:05:22,456 --> 01:05:24,893
She didn't do less warafter she got shot.
956
01:05:25,993 --> 01:05:27,261
She did more.
957
01:05:29,296 --> 01:05:31,398
She doubled down on danger.
958
01:05:51,586 --> 01:05:53,253
She stuckwith danger.
959
01:05:53,387 --> 01:05:55,222
She stuck with peoplewho understood danger
960
01:05:55,355 --> 01:05:57,559
and understoodthe price she had paid.
961
01:05:59,092 --> 01:06:00,795
Dignity and defiance.
962
01:06:01,395 --> 01:06:03,363
The ceaseless defianceof everything.
963
01:06:03,497 --> 01:06:06,200
Even defianceagainst her own self-pity.
964
01:06:12,406 --> 01:06:13,675
I think that was the way
965
01:06:13,808 --> 01:06:16,376
for Margaretto preserve her dignity.
966
01:06:30,925 --> 01:06:35,295
There's this one big, thorny,
difficult story in the world.
967
01:06:35,429 --> 01:06:37,164
It's kind of special.
968
01:06:37,297 --> 01:06:40,467
And that's the story
of the Arab-Israeli conflict.
969
01:06:41,134 --> 01:06:43,070
It's a minefield of a story.
970
01:06:44,204 --> 01:06:45,740
SixteenKatyusha rockets
971
01:06:45,874 --> 01:06:47,609
slammed into villagesin northern Israel
972
01:06:47,742 --> 01:06:50,310
as many residentswere eating breakfast.
973
01:06:53,948 --> 01:06:56,183
Hezbollah in south Lebanon
974
01:06:57,484 --> 01:06:59,821
had been shellingand sending Katyusha rockets
975
01:06:59,954 --> 01:07:03,290
over into settlementsin northern Israel.
976
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,730
And the Israelishad wanted to retaliate,
977
01:07:10,330 --> 01:07:12,399
and they issued a warning
978
01:07:12,534 --> 01:07:14,836
that they were gonna beattacking Shiite villages
979
01:07:14,969 --> 01:07:17,437
where they believed Hezbollahto have its strongholds,
980
01:07:17,572 --> 01:07:19,507
and warned
that anything that moved,
981
01:07:19,641 --> 01:07:22,109
would be considered
a legitimate target.
982
01:07:26,581 --> 01:07:28,917
About 300 to 400 thousand
983
01:07:29,049 --> 01:07:33,487
civilians fled from the southof Lebanon, towards Beirut.
984
01:07:37,559 --> 01:07:39,027
Twothunder-clapping explosions
985
01:07:39,192 --> 01:07:43,263
had sounded acrossthe city and then screams.
986
01:07:48,603 --> 01:07:51,706
CNN mobilizedaround 12 journalists.
987
01:07:52,372 --> 01:07:53,908
There was alsothe addition of Margaret
988
01:07:54,042 --> 01:07:57,277
and another sound techthat came in from London.
989
01:07:58,078 --> 01:08:01,281
And we moved southalong the coastal road
990
01:08:01,415 --> 01:08:03,483
from Beirut to Tyre.
991
01:08:03,618 --> 01:08:05,853
Israel is tryingto stop Hezbollah
992
01:08:05,987 --> 01:08:08,288
and journaliststraveling this road.
993
01:08:08,422 --> 01:08:10,858
Anyone movinghas to make a high-speed dash.
994
01:08:45,627 --> 01:08:46,594
We were the only network
995
01:08:46,728 --> 01:08:48,696
that set up a base in Tyre.
996
01:08:51,633 --> 01:08:55,268
On the top floor,of a 12 story apartment block,
997
01:08:55,402 --> 01:08:57,739
and we've hada grandstand view...
998
01:09:01,042 --> 01:09:03,511
of the Israeli air attacks.
999
01:09:07,381 --> 01:09:09,383
Margaret's on the roofand she captured
1000
01:09:09,517 --> 01:09:11,653
the explosion very close by.
1001
01:09:13,121 --> 01:09:14,354
You can see the jets,
1002
01:09:14,488 --> 01:09:16,691
the F-14s and the F-16scome over
1003
01:09:16,824 --> 01:09:19,727
and quite clearly
see them drop bombs.
1004
01:09:30,237 --> 01:09:31,839
Look,there is no way around it.
1005
01:09:31,973 --> 01:09:33,708
This was an extraordinarilydangerous place.
1006
01:09:34,976 --> 01:09:37,310
But this is whereMargaret wanted to be.
1007
01:09:44,686 --> 01:09:45,953
One of the storiesthat we did
1008
01:09:46,087 --> 01:09:47,454
in the first few days
1009
01:09:47,588 --> 01:09:49,524
was to visitthe United Nations troops.
1010
01:09:49,657 --> 01:09:51,693
It was mainly Fijians at thetime.
1011
01:09:52,927 --> 01:09:55,563
And we visitedone of their camps near Kana.
1012
01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:58,032
More or less
on the front lines.
1013
01:09:58,933 --> 01:10:00,233
We went to the campa couple of times
1014
01:10:00,367 --> 01:10:01,501
to do someinterviews.
1015
01:10:06,908 --> 01:10:09,911
Some of the locals were scaredof Israeli retaliation,
1016
01:10:10,044 --> 01:10:11,112
so they asked the UN,
1017
01:10:11,244 --> 01:10:12,647
"You know, can we stay
here?"
1018
01:10:12,780 --> 01:10:14,281
"The Israelis aren't going
to attack you, are they?"
1019
01:10:18,251 --> 01:10:20,121
Margaret was off filming
1020
01:10:20,253 --> 01:10:22,824
when she heardthat there had been an attack.
1021
01:10:23,290 --> 01:10:25,059
Fijibattalion headquarters
1022
01:10:25,193 --> 01:10:26,894
is still under shelling.
1023
01:10:27,028 --> 01:10:29,664
Fiji battalion headquartersis still under shelling. Over.
1024
01:10:30,531 --> 01:10:32,667
And so, she wentof her own initiative,
1025
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,837
straight to Kana,back to the camp.
1026
01:10:55,823 --> 01:10:58,325
Margaret was the firsttelevision journalist
1027
01:10:58,458 --> 01:10:59,961
with a properprofessional camera
1028
01:11:00,094 --> 01:11:02,530
to arrive on the scene.
1029
01:11:03,731 --> 01:11:06,366
She filmed the wholeimmediate aftermath.
1030
01:11:12,372 --> 01:11:14,108
And then we waited forMargaret to come back
1031
01:11:14,242 --> 01:11:15,408
with all the video.
1032
01:11:16,577 --> 01:11:20,748
And she had shot a good 30,
1033
01:11:21,649 --> 01:11:24,284
maybe more, 40 minutes.
1034
01:11:25,553 --> 01:11:27,989
We fed everything to Atlanta,
1035
01:11:28,122 --> 01:11:29,489
whole 40 minutes.
1036
01:11:29,624 --> 01:11:30,925
I'm Lou Waters. Hello.
1037
01:11:31,058 --> 01:11:32,794
Here's what's happening.
It's been quite a day.
1038
01:11:32,927 --> 01:11:35,428
It was a scene that caused
United Nations' peacekeepers
1039
01:11:35,563 --> 01:11:37,165
and rescue officials to weep.
1040
01:11:37,297 --> 01:11:39,767
It's reportedthat two Israeli shells
1041
01:11:39,901 --> 01:11:42,236
out of a salvoof as many as five,
1042
01:11:42,369 --> 01:11:43,671
impacted inside the base,
1043
01:11:43,805 --> 01:11:45,773
some six milessouth-east of Tyre,
1044
01:11:45,907 --> 01:11:48,743
cutting down at least200 Lebanese civilians.
1045
01:11:48,876 --> 01:11:50,578
In the wordsof the United Nations
1046
01:11:50,711 --> 01:11:52,613
on the ground,"It was a massacre."
1047
01:11:52,747 --> 01:11:55,049
The impactof Margaret's footages
1048
01:11:55,183 --> 01:11:56,818
cannot be understated.
1049
01:11:56,951 --> 01:11:59,620
There could be no mistaking,but these were civilians.
1050
01:11:59,754 --> 01:12:01,789
Amid the human debris
1051
01:12:01,923 --> 01:12:04,091
were the bodies of women,children,
1052
01:12:04,225 --> 01:12:05,626
and at least one baby.
1053
01:12:08,796 --> 01:12:11,299
The shockof that kind of image
1054
01:12:11,431 --> 01:12:13,034
just overrides any kind
1055
01:12:13,167 --> 01:12:15,468
of possible excuseor justification,
1056
01:12:15,603 --> 01:12:18,773
by those who ultimatelywere responsible.
1057
01:12:29,349 --> 01:12:34,589
Margaret had a very intensemorality about her.
1058
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:38,759
Because what she shotwent out to the world
1059
01:12:38,893 --> 01:12:41,428
and affected hundreds,thousands of people.
1060
01:12:45,132 --> 01:12:46,300
She had the spirit.
1061
01:12:46,433 --> 01:12:47,668
She had the determination.
1062
01:12:47,802 --> 01:12:51,138
She wanted to show
the world at times,
1063
01:12:51,272 --> 01:12:53,406
the brutality of war,
1064
01:12:54,642 --> 01:12:57,979
particularly the impacton the innocents.
1065
01:12:58,846 --> 01:13:01,015
The impact on the children.
1066
01:13:06,453 --> 01:13:09,290
She wasvery empathetic with people.
1067
01:13:09,422 --> 01:13:10,625
She liked filming people.
1068
01:13:10,758 --> 01:13:12,727
That's the impression I have.
1069
01:13:14,494 --> 01:13:17,164
"You can't cover war,remotely. It's about people."
1070
01:13:17,298 --> 01:13:19,066
You know,that's what she would say.
1071
01:13:22,003 --> 01:13:23,638
A lot ofthe narratives about Margaret
1072
01:13:23,771 --> 01:13:25,539
are that, "You're so tough,tough, tough."
1073
01:13:26,406 --> 01:13:27,508
Tough was what she did.
1074
01:13:27,642 --> 01:13:28,643
Tough was not how she acted.
1075
01:13:28,776 --> 01:13:30,278
"Hi, Margaret!"
1076
01:13:30,410 --> 01:13:31,646
"Hi, Margaret!"
1077
01:13:31,779 --> 01:13:33,547
"Hello, Margaret."
1078
01:13:33,681 --> 01:13:35,583
Hi, Margaret!
1079
01:13:37,285 --> 01:13:39,820
She would tell youin so many different ways
1080
01:13:39,954 --> 01:13:41,488
that she didn't careabout people.
1081
01:13:41,622 --> 01:13:42,857
"People are screwed.
1082
01:13:42,990 --> 01:13:44,625
People are bad.
Humanities is a mess."
1083
01:13:44,759 --> 01:13:46,560
But when it came down to it,
1084
01:13:46,694 --> 01:13:48,229
she was relating to
those kids.
1085
01:13:48,996 --> 01:13:50,831
You could seeshe appreciated humanity.
1086
01:13:53,968 --> 01:13:56,370
Every interviewand every picture
1087
01:13:56,503 --> 01:13:57,905
and every image
1088
01:13:58,039 --> 01:14:03,544
and every story of civilian
under fire was evidence.
1089
01:14:05,112 --> 01:14:06,981
It certainly seemson the outside
1090
01:14:07,114 --> 01:14:09,350
that Margaret may have made,after her shooting,
1091
01:14:09,482 --> 01:14:11,052
a deal with death.
1092
01:14:11,819 --> 01:14:14,555
Could seem that waygiven how enthusiastically
1093
01:14:14,689 --> 01:14:17,725
she kept onwith combat camera work.
1094
01:14:20,695 --> 01:14:23,431
"Okay, my love. Let's go.
1095
01:14:23,564 --> 01:14:24,699
Done it to me once."
1096
01:14:24,832 --> 01:14:26,133
That's the words she gave me.
1097
01:14:26,267 --> 01:14:27,568
"Let's keep on going."
1098
01:14:32,106 --> 01:14:34,075
I call upon all parties
1099
01:14:34,208 --> 01:14:37,745
to agreeto an immediate cease-fire.
1100
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:40,848
So they declareda cease-fire for,
1101
01:14:40,982 --> 01:14:43,551
I think it was 4 am,the morning of 27th of April.
1102
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:47,888
So, on the eveningof the 26th,
1103
01:14:48,022 --> 01:14:49,991
we were saying, "Okay,so, what do we do?"
1104
01:14:50,124 --> 01:14:52,393
"Go back to Beirut tomorrow?"
1105
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,494
"Should we hang around?"
1106
01:14:57,198 --> 01:14:59,767
While we were mullingall those possibilities,
1107
01:14:59,900 --> 01:15:02,937
shortly before midnight,on the 26th,
1108
01:15:03,070 --> 01:15:05,740
four hours beforethe cease-fire was due,
1109
01:15:07,141 --> 01:15:10,878
we heard twodistinctive whooshes...
1110
01:15:15,149 --> 01:15:16,417
very close by.
1111
01:15:17,051 --> 01:15:18,619
A rocket had been launched
1112
01:15:18,753 --> 01:15:21,188
literally from the cornerof our building,
1113
01:15:21,322 --> 01:15:22,523
like Hezbollah.
1114
01:15:23,124 --> 01:15:25,726
And we said, "Okay...
1115
01:15:25,860 --> 01:15:27,028
we've got maybe three
minutes
1116
01:15:27,161 --> 01:15:28,429
before the Israelis
retaliate."
1117
01:15:28,996 --> 01:15:30,264
We're on the phone to Atlanta.
1118
01:15:30,398 --> 01:15:33,334
It was on with the Bureau
and Israel saying,
1119
01:15:33,467 --> 01:15:35,269
"Oh, make sure the...."
1120
01:15:36,337 --> 01:15:38,406
Couple of the teamrushed down the stairs
1121
01:15:38,539 --> 01:15:40,574
and the minutes tick by...
1122
01:15:41,175 --> 01:15:42,810
"By the way,
where's Margaret?"
1123
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:47,848
She was up on the roof,
1124
01:15:47,982 --> 01:15:51,318
with a camera, waiting to seewhat would happen next.
1125
01:15:55,222 --> 01:15:57,758
Waiting to filmthe building being blown up
1126
01:15:57,892 --> 01:15:59,293
with her on top of it.
1127
01:16:16,944 --> 01:16:18,779
In the end,they didn't retaliate.
1128
01:16:19,548 --> 01:16:21,615
There were
no strikes that day.
1129
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:25,052
But in case,there was a retaliation,
1130
01:16:25,186 --> 01:16:28,189
she wanted to make surethat she didn't miss the shot.
1131
01:16:30,391 --> 01:16:31,759
Margaret felt
1132
01:16:31,892 --> 01:16:34,495
if somebody was mistreatingsomeone...
1133
01:16:35,296 --> 01:16:36,931
she would
stand up against them.
1134
01:16:37,064 --> 01:16:39,100
She wasn't afraid of anyone.
1135
01:16:40,167 --> 01:16:42,736
Maybe she wasn'table to do it as a kid,
1136
01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:45,239
but definitely, as an adult,
1137
01:16:45,706 --> 01:16:47,341
she would not stay quiet.
1138
01:16:49,243 --> 01:16:53,114
Her picturestold the truth.
1139
01:16:54,348 --> 01:16:57,084
Our stories
and Margaret's pictures
1140
01:16:57,218 --> 01:17:00,788
gradually forcedour democracies
1141
01:17:00,921 --> 01:17:02,656
not to turn away.
1142
01:17:03,558 --> 01:17:04,792
In the end,
1143
01:17:04,925 --> 01:17:07,361
after a terrible
massacre at Srebrenica,
1144
01:17:07,495 --> 01:17:09,763
the US-led coalition came in,
1145
01:17:10,498 --> 01:17:12,833
in about two weeks
with very few casualties,
1146
01:17:12,967 --> 01:17:14,335
if any, on the Serb side.
1147
01:17:14,468 --> 01:17:16,170
They bombed the Serbian
military installations
1148
01:17:16,303 --> 01:17:19,306
around the hills
that were surrounding
1149
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:22,343
the valley in which Sarajevo
was located.
1150
01:17:22,476 --> 01:17:23,444
And the war stopped.
1151
01:17:23,578 --> 01:17:25,279
It was as simple as that.
1152
01:17:25,412 --> 01:17:26,447
The war stopped.
1153
01:17:26,581 --> 01:17:28,048
And I attribute that...
1154
01:17:28,182 --> 01:17:31,185
in large part, to
the journalism in Bosnia
1155
01:17:31,318 --> 01:17:32,253
and to the pictures
1156
01:17:32,386 --> 01:17:34,255
that camera women
like Margaret Moth
1157
01:17:34,388 --> 01:17:37,057
and all her colleagues
sent out to the world.
1158
01:17:37,191 --> 01:17:39,927
Well, I think
if you don't film,
1159
01:17:40,060 --> 01:17:41,862
then things just carry on.
1160
01:17:41,996 --> 01:17:44,398
I think if you do film,
things can carry on.
1161
01:17:44,533 --> 01:17:45,966
They can change.
1162
01:17:47,201 --> 01:17:49,103
They triedto silence her,
1163
01:17:49,236 --> 01:17:50,771
but they were not ableto make her
1164
01:17:50,905 --> 01:17:52,139
put down her camera.
1165
01:17:54,543 --> 01:17:56,744
Margaret didn't want
to suppress any story.
1166
01:17:57,478 --> 01:17:59,680
If there was a story,she wanted to tell it.
1167
01:17:59,813 --> 01:18:00,981
You know, when they say
1168
01:18:01,115 --> 01:18:02,950
a picture is worth
a thousand words,
1169
01:18:03,083 --> 01:18:06,887
Margaret's pictures were
worth 100,000 words. So...
1170
01:18:08,455 --> 01:18:09,890
I thinkwhat drove Margaret
1171
01:18:10,024 --> 01:18:14,028
was a real needto be who she was.
1172
01:18:14,962 --> 01:18:17,532
and not have anybodytell her who to be.
1173
01:18:19,534 --> 01:18:22,169
Really, powerfully,a need to be just me.
1174
01:18:24,438 --> 01:18:26,740
Relentlessly,tenaciously, defiant.
1175
01:18:41,656 --> 01:18:44,425
2009
1176
01:18:44,559 --> 01:18:48,295
The day that I contacted her
after all that time
1177
01:18:48,429 --> 01:18:50,297
was I think four days
1178
01:18:50,431 --> 01:18:52,433
after she had been diagnosed
with cancer,
1179
01:18:52,567 --> 01:18:54,134
with stage IV cancer.
1180
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:01,408
You know, I felt funny,
1181
01:19:01,543 --> 01:19:04,311
felt good enoughabout myself, to call her.
1182
01:19:04,945 --> 01:19:06,280
And...
1183
01:19:07,649 --> 01:19:09,116
to find out she was dying.
1184
01:19:17,057 --> 01:19:19,493
So we just started
hanging out again, you know.
1185
01:19:20,662 --> 01:19:22,363
Went to Mexico with Joe,
1186
01:19:22,496 --> 01:19:25,032
went to Mexico City stayedthere for a little while.
1187
01:19:30,838 --> 01:19:32,172
She was not afraid.
1188
01:19:33,374 --> 01:19:34,408
Even at the end,
1189
01:19:35,109 --> 01:19:38,680
we drove by, I guess,
a cremation place.
1190
01:19:38,812 --> 01:19:40,114
And she said,
1191
01:19:40,247 --> 01:19:41,015
"Oh, that's where I'm going to
go up in smoke."
1192
01:19:41,148 --> 01:19:42,116
And I was, "What?"
1193
01:19:42,249 --> 01:19:43,585
"I'm going to go up in smoke."
1194
01:19:43,718 --> 01:19:45,019
"See, the chimney,
1195
01:19:45,152 --> 01:19:46,020
that's where I'm going to go
up in smoke."
1196
01:19:48,389 --> 01:19:50,257
She was like a Buddha.
1197
01:19:51,325 --> 01:19:53,260
You felt betterin her presence.
1198
01:19:58,832 --> 01:20:00,167
You could sit with her,
1199
01:20:00,301 --> 01:20:02,102
and you felt likewhen you got up,
1200
01:20:02,236 --> 01:20:04,004
you tooksomething away.
1201
01:20:13,213 --> 01:20:14,749
We were friendsfor a long time.
1202
01:20:14,882 --> 01:20:18,085
We were friends for
25 years and...
1203
01:20:19,119 --> 01:20:21,221
and I would say soulmates.
1204
01:20:28,329 --> 01:20:30,632
Oh, I just missedcalling her, you know,
1205
01:20:31,332 --> 01:20:33,367
calling her every day.
1206
01:20:34,301 --> 01:20:36,970
And how she would do anything,
1207
01:20:37,104 --> 01:20:38,540
you know, how she would...
1208
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:43,511
do things and I always
think about Margaret daily.
1209
01:20:50,484 --> 01:20:53,187
I wish I'd playedcertain hands differently.
1210
01:20:54,054 --> 01:20:55,824
You know, I wish I was moreable
1211
01:20:55,956 --> 01:20:57,458
to be more honestwith her
1212
01:20:57,592 --> 01:21:00,227
instead of just turning
my back on her.
1213
01:21:01,428 --> 01:21:04,865
You know, I feel lessthan okay about that.
1214
01:21:06,900 --> 01:21:07,868
After she was shot,
1215
01:21:08,001 --> 01:21:10,003
she rewrote her story.
1216
01:21:11,338 --> 01:21:13,641
She went through 25 surgeries.
1217
01:21:14,609 --> 01:21:17,177
Most people would havethrown in the towel.
1218
01:21:18,379 --> 01:21:20,981
She regained
that lust for life.
1219
01:21:36,765 --> 01:21:40,100
Participatingin this documentary...
1220
01:21:42,369 --> 01:21:43,638
It brought her back to me.
1221
01:21:48,676 --> 01:21:49,910
Seeing that somebody else
cared about her
1222
01:21:50,043 --> 01:21:52,279
as much as I do.
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