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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,190 This is the money back. 2 00:00:24,190 --> 00:00:26,985 What is Tallahatchie River? 3 00:00:26,985 --> 00:00:28,903 Where awaited body was found. 4 00:00:28,903 --> 00:00:31,906 Alleged to be that of young Emmett Till. 5 00:00:35,285 --> 00:00:38,038 I saw a whole 6 00:00:38,038 --> 00:00:41,041 which I presumed was a bullet hole. 7 00:00:41,458 --> 00:00:46,004 And I could look through that hole and see daylight on the other side. 8 00:00:46,796 --> 00:00:50,383 And I wonder, was it necessary to shoot it? 9 00:00:51,551 --> 00:00:53,803 Here is money Mississippi, 10 00:00:53,803 --> 00:00:56,806 the home of Roy Bryant. 11 00:00:57,348 --> 00:00:59,309 It was here that the Chicago 12 00:00:59,309 --> 00:01:02,896 Negro boy, Emmett Till, is alleged to have paid 13 00:01:03,354 --> 00:01:07,150 unwelcome attention to Roy Bryant's most attractive wife. 14 00:01:08,526 --> 00:01:11,821 When white women's was on the streets. 15 00:01:12,989 --> 00:01:15,283 You had to get off of this street. 16 00:01:15,283 --> 00:01:18,286 That was a way of life. 17 00:01:18,912 --> 00:01:20,622 And all white, 18 00:01:20,622 --> 00:01:24,667 one would have to say was that nigger kind of looked at me. 19 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:26,002 I sass me. 20 00:01:27,253 --> 00:01:30,256 So we're talking about a way of life that 21 00:01:30,757 --> 00:01:33,760 in this part of the country that was enforced by law. 22 00:01:36,387 --> 00:01:39,390 This was the home of Mose Wright. 23 00:01:40,058 --> 00:01:41,476 It was from this shack. 24 00:01:41,476 --> 00:01:45,939 The state alleges Emmett Till was taken by Roy Bryant and J.W. 25 00:01:45,939 --> 00:01:48,858 Mather. 26 00:01:48,858 --> 00:01:50,360 The house was as dark 27 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,238 as 1000 midnight and couldn't see. 28 00:01:53,238 --> 00:01:54,489 It was like a nightmare. 29 00:01:54,489 --> 00:01:55,698 I'm going to meet someone. 30 00:01:55,698 --> 00:01:59,202 Come and stand over you with a pistol in one hand, a flashlight. 31 00:01:59,202 --> 00:02:02,205 I knew 16 years old. 32 00:02:02,288 --> 00:02:05,291 It's a terrifying experience. 33 00:02:07,627 --> 00:02:08,753 The terror case 34 00:02:08,753 --> 00:02:11,756 held the whole system up for inspection. 35 00:02:12,340 --> 00:02:15,343 But the rest of the country and by the rest of the world, 36 00:02:15,927 --> 00:02:18,930 it was the beginning of the focusing 37 00:02:19,514 --> 00:02:23,893 on the problems, between the races in the Deep South 38 00:02:25,019 --> 00:02:26,521 that culminated in 39 00:02:26,521 --> 00:02:29,524 the ultimate, civil rights battles of the, 40 00:02:30,316 --> 00:02:33,736 of the rest of the 50s and the end of the 60s. 41 00:02:35,864 --> 00:02:38,825 I think black people's reaction 42 00:02:38,825 --> 00:02:44,164 was so visceral, and I think it was probably more than anything else in terms 43 00:02:44,164 --> 00:02:49,043 of the mass civil rights movement, the spark that launched it. 44 00:02:49,544 --> 00:02:52,505 Everybody knew we were under attack, 45 00:02:52,797 --> 00:02:56,384 and that attack was symbolized by the attack 46 00:02:56,384 --> 00:02:59,387 on a 14 year old boy. 47 00:03:33,463 --> 00:03:36,466 When one drives through the lowest hills. 48 00:03:37,217 --> 00:03:40,220 And looks out at the sweep of those fields below. 49 00:03:41,054 --> 00:03:44,057 Flat as a pancake as far as the eye can see. 50 00:03:45,016 --> 00:03:47,977 It's breathtaking. 51 00:03:47,977 --> 00:03:50,980 Those who had not been to the Delta, 52 00:03:51,022 --> 00:03:54,484 found themselves gasping at the sight as they come over 53 00:03:54,484 --> 00:03:58,780 the lowest hills and see that expanse of flat agricultural land. 54 00:04:00,490 --> 00:04:03,159 It was the summer of 1955 55 00:04:03,159 --> 00:04:06,162 when Emmett Till arrived in Mississippi from Chicago. 56 00:04:06,871 --> 00:04:11,417 His family had worked cotton for generations, but this trip would be 57 00:04:11,417 --> 00:04:15,129 Emmett's introduction to the Delta, known as the most 58 00:04:15,129 --> 00:04:18,132 southern place on Earth. 59 00:04:19,133 --> 00:04:21,844 This is Mississippi. 60 00:04:21,844 --> 00:04:24,847 Today, a situation exists in Mississippi 61 00:04:25,265 --> 00:04:28,518 that is unlike the situation in most states in the nation. 62 00:04:29,352 --> 00:04:33,940 In some sections of the state, there is a preponderance of colored citizens. 63 00:04:34,691 --> 00:04:37,360 This situation has brought problems. 64 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,654 It has created challenges. 65 00:04:39,654 --> 00:04:42,824 But most important of all, it has inspired 66 00:04:42,824 --> 00:04:45,785 a social system to meet the challenge 67 00:04:46,411 --> 00:04:48,871 in every community in Mississippi. 68 00:04:48,871 --> 00:04:51,791 There is segregation of the races. 69 00:04:51,791 --> 00:04:54,794 Drinking fountains are segregated. 70 00:04:55,586 --> 00:04:58,589 Restrooms are segregated. 71 00:04:59,549 --> 00:05:01,926 The local theater is segregated. 72 00:05:01,926 --> 00:05:04,929 You never balcony in any way. 73 00:05:07,724 --> 00:05:10,518 Said anything that they didn't like. 74 00:05:10,518 --> 00:05:11,811 You didn't disagree with them 75 00:05:12,854 --> 00:05:14,355 on the whole. 76 00:05:14,355 --> 00:05:17,317 You just didn't do that. 77 00:05:17,358 --> 00:05:20,361 If a white person did something to you, 78 00:05:20,361 --> 00:05:23,364 you had no recourse at all. 79 00:05:24,282 --> 00:05:25,658 People disappeared. 80 00:05:25,658 --> 00:05:28,202 We don't know what happened to them. 81 00:05:28,202 --> 00:05:31,205 They just disappeared. 82 00:05:34,417 --> 00:05:38,046 In the 75 years before Emmett Till set foot in Mississippi. 83 00:05:38,671 --> 00:05:42,091 More than 500 black people had been lynched in the state. 84 00:05:43,801 --> 00:05:46,846 Most were men who had been accused of associating 85 00:05:46,846 --> 00:05:49,807 with white women. 86 00:05:52,977 --> 00:05:55,021 Part of that culture was that 87 00:05:55,021 --> 00:05:58,441 the women were put on pedestals, and they were, 88 00:05:59,609 --> 00:06:01,569 some sort of, 89 00:06:01,569 --> 00:06:03,821 idealization of of what? 90 00:06:03,821 --> 00:06:07,408 Whatever it means to be woman or to be female. 91 00:06:09,994 --> 00:06:11,913 There was an almost, 92 00:06:11,913 --> 00:06:14,916 irrational fear of black men. 93 00:06:16,292 --> 00:06:19,212 As if every black man was ready 94 00:06:19,212 --> 00:06:23,508 to attack of a rape, a white woman, if you gave him a chance. 95 00:06:29,555 --> 00:06:32,558 I can remember when my father died. 96 00:06:32,767 --> 00:06:34,936 Sammy, the black man who worked for him, which lay. 97 00:06:34,936 --> 00:06:39,023 And I threw my arms around his neck, and he pulled away from me. 98 00:06:40,233 --> 00:06:42,735 He could not have that, 99 00:06:42,735 --> 00:06:45,196 you know, physical show of affection, 100 00:06:45,196 --> 00:06:48,157 of sharing grief for whatever. 101 00:06:48,491 --> 00:06:49,992 Black men did not touch. 102 00:06:49,992 --> 00:06:52,995 White women. 103 00:06:55,248 --> 00:06:55,957 Many white 104 00:06:55,957 --> 00:06:59,210 Southerners, and perhaps most deep South Southerners 105 00:07:00,044 --> 00:07:04,632 that convinced themselves that, black people were relatively happy 106 00:07:04,632 --> 00:07:08,594 in their in their segregated relationships with white people. 107 00:07:10,179 --> 00:07:13,182 Most white people, I think, had, 108 00:07:13,474 --> 00:07:17,979 had convinced themselves that this was a defensible social system 109 00:07:17,979 --> 00:07:20,982 in which they lived. 110 00:07:21,899 --> 00:07:24,902 I had a cousin that was living in Mississippi 111 00:07:25,027 --> 00:07:29,866 and was walking down the sidewalk down near downtown in Tunica 112 00:07:30,616 --> 00:07:33,661 and didn't get off the sidewalk, and a man slapped him 113 00:07:34,162 --> 00:07:37,165 and knocked him off the sidewalk, and he got up. 114 00:07:37,373 --> 00:07:39,959 Instead of killing the white man like he wanted, 115 00:07:39,959 --> 00:07:43,087 he just started walking and never stopped until he got to Memphis 116 00:07:43,463 --> 00:07:47,884 and never stopped till he got up to Chicago. Hey, 117 00:07:49,051 --> 00:07:52,054 baby, don't you want to go? 118 00:07:52,930 --> 00:07:54,098 Yeah. 119 00:07:54,098 --> 00:07:57,518 Hundreds of thousands of black people fled Mississippi 120 00:07:57,518 --> 00:08:00,521 for Chicago in the years between the world wars. 121 00:08:00,980 --> 00:08:06,027 One way train fare of $11.10 took them to a different world. 122 00:08:06,736 --> 00:08:11,616 With whom Chicago neighborhoods and schools were segregated. 123 00:08:11,949 --> 00:08:14,535 But the city offered a kind of freedom. 124 00:08:14,535 --> 00:08:17,497 Black Mississippians could only dream about. 125 00:08:18,331 --> 00:08:21,209 Chicago was a land of promise. 126 00:08:21,209 --> 00:08:25,046 And they thought that milk and honey was everywhere. 127 00:08:25,546 --> 00:08:28,799 And so it was a lot of excitement 128 00:08:28,799 --> 00:08:31,802 leaving the south, leaving the cotton fields. 129 00:08:32,595 --> 00:08:35,515 You could hold your head up in Chicago. 130 00:08:35,515 --> 00:08:36,724 Sweet home. 131 00:08:36,724 --> 00:08:41,979 Mamie Carthon arrived in Chicago at the age of two, and only child, 132 00:08:42,188 --> 00:08:45,525 young Mamie, was the hope of her family of former sharecroppers. 133 00:08:47,443 --> 00:08:50,446 She graduated from high school at the top of her class, 134 00:08:50,738 --> 00:08:55,034 and became one of the first black women in town to hold a civil service job. 135 00:08:56,827 --> 00:09:00,498 In 1940, Mamie married soldier Louis Till, 136 00:09:00,831 --> 00:09:03,834 and one year later their son Emmett was born. 137 00:09:05,795 --> 00:09:07,505 In 1945. 138 00:09:07,505 --> 00:09:10,633 Mamie got word that Private Till had died in Europe. 139 00:09:11,467 --> 00:09:14,470 All she received of his possessions was a signet 140 00:09:14,470 --> 00:09:17,473 ring inscribed with his initials Lt. 141 00:09:18,349 --> 00:09:18,849 Emmett. 142 00:09:18,849 --> 00:09:21,852 Her only child was four years old. 143 00:09:22,895 --> 00:09:25,898 A childhood case of polio left him with a stutter. 144 00:09:26,065 --> 00:09:30,611 But by the time he was a teenager, Emmett Till had grown into a cocky, 145 00:09:30,611 --> 00:09:33,990 self-assured boy who loved to be the center of attention. 146 00:09:34,782 --> 00:09:37,785 When we first met, we went Jim, 147 00:09:38,077 --> 00:09:38,494 and Mr. 148 00:09:38,494 --> 00:09:41,414 Long's gym period. 149 00:09:41,414 --> 00:09:43,958 I remember Emmett raising his shirt 150 00:09:43,958 --> 00:09:47,378 up to about his navel and start making his belly roll. 151 00:09:48,421 --> 00:09:51,424 Just waves of fat 152 00:09:52,216 --> 00:09:54,135 rolling, and it just broke us up. 153 00:09:54,135 --> 00:09:56,804 I mean, the whole gym went crazy. He was that kind of kid. 154 00:09:59,223 --> 00:10:00,016 Anything going on? 155 00:10:00,016 --> 00:10:01,934 He's in the middle of all of it. 156 00:10:01,934 --> 00:10:03,436 And he just loved to play ball. 157 00:10:03,436 --> 00:10:05,354 He just love jokes. 158 00:10:05,354 --> 00:10:07,940 He would pay people to tell him jokes. 159 00:10:07,940 --> 00:10:09,025 If there was a group there. 160 00:10:09,025 --> 00:10:12,695 Emmett was in front and he was the lively one. 161 00:10:12,695 --> 00:10:15,406 He was the one that everybody kind of looked to. 162 00:10:15,406 --> 00:10:18,367 Natural born leader. 163 00:10:23,956 --> 00:10:25,916 In June of 1955, 164 00:10:25,916 --> 00:10:29,920 black Chicago swung to a new kind of music called rock n roll. 165 00:10:30,921 --> 00:10:34,759 A Supreme Court decision had struck down school segregation the year before. 166 00:10:35,509 --> 00:10:38,512 Emmett finished seventh grade, and in July 167 00:10:38,596 --> 00:10:41,599 he turned 14. 168 00:10:41,599 --> 00:10:43,059 Handle Emmett Till. 169 00:10:43,059 --> 00:10:46,145 We went to grammar school together and Emmett was, 170 00:10:46,354 --> 00:10:50,316 fine, young man, just like any other young teenager. 171 00:10:51,359 --> 00:10:55,655 The boys wore polyester pants, crape soled shoes. 172 00:10:56,113 --> 00:10:59,283 I would wear flared skirts with the crinoline underneath. 173 00:10:59,283 --> 00:11:01,410 You must have the crinoline. 174 00:11:01,410 --> 00:11:03,996 And we were doing the bop. That's the bebop. 175 00:11:03,996 --> 00:11:06,999 And we just danced and had fun. 176 00:11:07,333 --> 00:11:09,543 And we were just all good friends and. 177 00:11:18,678 --> 00:11:19,804 In August, 178 00:11:19,804 --> 00:11:23,307 Emmett's great uncle, Mose Wright, visited Chicago 179 00:11:23,307 --> 00:11:26,644 and invited Emmett and his cousin Wheeler, home to Mississippi 180 00:11:28,020 --> 00:11:29,647 before she let them go. 181 00:11:29,647 --> 00:11:32,650 Mamie schooled the boys on the ways of the South. 182 00:11:35,861 --> 00:11:36,862 I let them know 183 00:11:36,862 --> 00:11:39,865 that Mississippi was not Chicago. 184 00:11:40,199 --> 00:11:42,785 And when you go to Mississippi, you are living 185 00:11:42,785 --> 00:11:45,913 by an entirely different set of rules. 186 00:11:46,831 --> 00:11:49,250 It is. Yes, ma'am, and no, ma'am. 187 00:11:49,250 --> 00:11:51,585 Yes, sir. At no, sir. 188 00:11:51,585 --> 00:11:55,923 And, Bo, if you see a white woman coming down the street, 189 00:11:56,590 --> 00:11:59,635 you get off the sidewalk and drop your head. 190 00:11:59,677 --> 00:12:01,429 Don't even look at her. 191 00:12:01,429 --> 00:12:05,516 The concern for him, it was that he could be with his fun loving, 192 00:12:05,766 --> 00:12:07,852 free spirited way of living. 193 00:12:07,852 --> 00:12:10,855 He could get in trouble, could have a lot of problems. 194 00:12:11,063 --> 00:12:16,444 He was 14, but he just turned 14 just 13 a few weeks before we went down. 195 00:12:18,487 --> 00:12:22,408 He thought I was exaggerating, which I was. 196 00:12:22,408 --> 00:12:25,035 I was trying to exaggerate. 197 00:12:25,035 --> 00:12:26,829 If I could, 198 00:12:26,829 --> 00:12:31,125 go high enough, I things can see that was, 199 00:12:31,917 --> 00:12:35,379 soak into his head that you have to be 200 00:12:35,379 --> 00:12:38,382 very careful. 201 00:12:39,675 --> 00:12:40,634 As Emmett packed 202 00:12:40,634 --> 00:12:43,721 his bags, Mississippi was set to explode. 203 00:12:45,681 --> 00:12:47,391 Two black men had recently been 204 00:12:47,391 --> 00:12:50,394 killed for registering black voters. 205 00:12:50,561 --> 00:12:54,106 And a push to implement the new law on school desegregation 206 00:12:54,106 --> 00:12:58,152 had whites from the Delta to the statehouse spitting fire. 207 00:12:58,819 --> 00:13:02,573 You are not born to permit to repeat 208 00:13:02,948 --> 00:13:05,951 over yourself. 209 00:13:07,995 --> 00:13:09,914 You are not born to permit 210 00:13:09,914 --> 00:13:13,000 an inner city to fight for your state. 211 00:13:14,418 --> 00:13:17,630 It was argued in coffee shops all over the Deep South 212 00:13:18,380 --> 00:13:22,551 that if we give on this, then we will start giving on everything else. 213 00:13:22,551 --> 00:13:26,347 And the first thing you know, we won't have a segregated society 214 00:13:26,931 --> 00:13:29,934 and black people will be taking over in this part of the country. 215 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,063 We are not pulling a lot of the leadership as, 216 00:13:35,439 --> 00:13:36,106 going around 217 00:13:36,106 --> 00:13:39,360 making outrageous threats and, claiming 218 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,363 they weren't going to obey the law and that sort of thing. 219 00:13:43,614 --> 00:13:45,991 Consequences was that, almost 220 00:13:45,991 --> 00:13:50,955 anything could happen, to anybody at any time. 221 00:13:51,288 --> 00:13:54,291 There. 222 00:13:55,417 --> 00:13:57,169 On August 19th, 223 00:13:57,169 --> 00:14:00,214 Mamie gave Emmett the ring that had belonged to his father. 224 00:14:00,881 --> 00:14:04,093 The next morning, Emmett and his mother grabbed his bags 225 00:14:04,093 --> 00:14:07,096 and rushed off to the 63rd Street station. 226 00:14:08,764 --> 00:14:09,932 He was running up 227 00:14:09,932 --> 00:14:12,935 the steps to try to make it to the train. 228 00:14:13,185 --> 00:14:15,396 And I said, Emmett. 229 00:14:15,396 --> 00:14:17,523 Bo. I called him Bo. 230 00:14:17,523 --> 00:14:19,942 I said, where are you going? 231 00:14:19,942 --> 00:14:22,194 You haven't kissed me goodbye. 232 00:14:22,194 --> 00:14:25,197 And how do I know I'll ever see you again? 233 00:14:25,614 --> 00:14:29,326 And he looked at me and he said, oh, mama. 234 00:14:29,618 --> 00:14:33,163 He kind of scolded me for saying something like that. 235 00:14:33,914 --> 00:14:36,792 But he turned round and came back 236 00:14:36,792 --> 00:14:39,795 and, he kissed me goodbye. 237 00:14:39,879 --> 00:14:41,505 And he said, here, take this. 238 00:14:41,505 --> 00:14:43,841 He pulled his watch off and gave it to me. 239 00:14:43,841 --> 00:14:46,844 He said, I won't need this. Where I'm going. 240 00:14:47,469 --> 00:14:48,888 I said, what about your ring? 241 00:14:48,888 --> 00:14:52,224 He said, oh, I'm going to show it off to the fellows. 242 00:14:52,558 --> 00:14:57,187 And with that, he was up the steps and on his way to get on the train. 243 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:09,491 Emmett rode the Illinois Central 16 hours 244 00:15:09,491 --> 00:15:12,578 out of Chicago to the Mississippi Delta in. 245 00:15:15,956 --> 00:15:19,627 We went to South near the beginning of Cotton 246 00:15:19,627 --> 00:15:22,630 Pickin Time, late August, 247 00:15:24,173 --> 00:15:26,884 and we picked cotton for a half a day, 248 00:15:26,884 --> 00:15:29,887 and we were going to swim and run the snakes up the river. 249 00:15:30,721 --> 00:15:33,724 We have a lot of fun. 250 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:35,017 Emmett's 251 00:15:35,017 --> 00:15:39,313 family lived on the outskirts of money, a whistlestop town 252 00:15:39,313 --> 00:15:42,316 in the heart of Delta cotton country. 253 00:15:43,067 --> 00:15:45,235 The town of money 254 00:15:45,235 --> 00:15:47,655 was one street 255 00:15:47,655 --> 00:15:49,657 with maybe 256 00:15:49,657 --> 00:15:51,075 5 or 6 stores. 257 00:15:51,075 --> 00:15:54,036 But that's all just one. One story. 258 00:15:54,036 --> 00:15:55,245 Wasn't much. 259 00:15:55,245 --> 00:15:57,957 Wasn't really a town. 260 00:15:57,957 --> 00:15:59,583 At one end of money 261 00:15:59,583 --> 00:16:03,212 was Bryan's Grocery, which made a business of selling candy 262 00:16:03,212 --> 00:16:07,132 to black kids and provisions to field hands from nearby plantations. 263 00:16:08,676 --> 00:16:10,928 Roy Bryant, a 24 year 264 00:16:10,928 --> 00:16:15,557 old ex-soldier, and his wife Carolyn, owned the grocery and not much else. 265 00:16:17,184 --> 00:16:19,186 The Bryants lived with their two boys 266 00:16:19,186 --> 00:16:22,147 in cramped rooms behind the store. 267 00:16:22,898 --> 00:16:25,109 Roy's half brother, J.W. 268 00:16:25,109 --> 00:16:28,112 Milam, helped out around the grocery. 269 00:16:28,570 --> 00:16:32,116 The 235 pound Milam was a hard drinking man 270 00:16:32,282 --> 00:16:35,828 with a reputation for being tough on anyone who got in his way. 271 00:16:40,207 --> 00:16:41,583 On a steamy Wednesday 272 00:16:41,583 --> 00:16:45,796 afternoon, Emmett and seven other teenagers piled into Mose 273 00:16:45,796 --> 00:16:49,466 Wright's old Ford and headed to Bryant's grocery store. 274 00:16:50,175 --> 00:16:52,720 The day that we went to the store and money. 275 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,680 We were picking cotton, 276 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,683 first half of the day and the second half, because it was so hot. 277 00:16:58,434 --> 00:16:59,226 My uncle. 278 00:16:59,226 --> 00:17:02,646 So the time we took off the money to get some refreshments, 279 00:17:02,646 --> 00:17:05,649 just general things you buy in a store. 280 00:17:08,819 --> 00:17:11,905 Roy Bryant was out of town, leaving his wife Carolyn 281 00:17:11,905 --> 00:17:15,034 alone behind the counter when Emmett and his cousins pulled up. 282 00:17:16,952 --> 00:17:19,246 Other customers were sitting outside 283 00:17:19,246 --> 00:17:22,207 talking and playing checkers in the cool of the shade. 284 00:17:25,377 --> 00:17:28,672 1 or 2 at a time, the boys drifted into the store 285 00:17:28,797 --> 00:17:31,842 and back out again with a cold drink or a piece of candy. 286 00:17:33,969 --> 00:17:35,596 Then Emmett went in 287 00:17:35,596 --> 00:17:38,599 and bought $0.02 worth of bubblegum, 288 00:17:39,016 --> 00:17:40,726 according to witnesses. 289 00:17:40,726 --> 00:17:42,436 On his way out of the store. 290 00:17:42,436 --> 00:17:45,105 Emmett turned to Carolyn Bryant 291 00:17:45,105 --> 00:17:47,274 and whistled. 292 00:17:47,274 --> 00:17:49,359 She stormed out. 293 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,571 We all got scared and someone said, she's going to get a pistol. 294 00:17:52,821 --> 00:17:54,073 That's when we became afraid. 295 00:17:54,073 --> 00:17:57,493 So she's gone to the car to get a pistol and as she went to the car, 296 00:17:57,493 --> 00:18:00,496 we all jumped in my uncle's car. 297 00:18:00,996 --> 00:18:03,999 I'm going pretty fast and dust is flying behind us. 298 00:18:04,500 --> 00:18:05,542 And of course, Emmett Till. 299 00:18:05,542 --> 00:18:08,545 Wade does not to tell our grandfather when it took place. 300 00:18:09,004 --> 00:18:09,505 And we did. 301 00:18:09,505 --> 00:18:13,300 And this was on a Wednesday and we didn't tell them were taking place. 302 00:18:14,384 --> 00:18:16,845 So Wednesday went by, Thursday went by. 303 00:18:16,845 --> 00:18:18,013 Nothing. 304 00:18:18,013 --> 00:18:18,514 Friday. 305 00:18:18,514 --> 00:18:21,517 We forgot about it. 306 00:18:24,645 --> 00:18:27,648 Sunday morning, about 230. 307 00:18:27,981 --> 00:18:30,984 Or I heard a boy at the door 308 00:18:31,235 --> 00:18:32,319 and it said, This is Mr. 309 00:18:32,319 --> 00:18:35,739 Bright and said he wanted to board a dead coast at noon in. 310 00:18:37,074 --> 00:18:40,035 And when I open the door, 311 00:18:40,035 --> 00:18:42,579 there was a man with a pistol 312 00:18:42,579 --> 00:18:45,582 in one hand and the flashlight in the other. 313 00:18:46,750 --> 00:18:48,043 It was like a nightmare. 314 00:18:48,043 --> 00:18:51,130 I mean, it's I mean, someone come and stand over you 315 00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:54,133 with a pistol in one hand, a flashlight, and you, 16 years old. 316 00:18:55,843 --> 00:18:58,053 It's a terrifying experience. 317 00:18:58,053 --> 00:19:00,722 We were terrified to. 318 00:19:00,722 --> 00:19:05,727 We might go around to the sound of the room in the bay 319 00:19:05,811 --> 00:19:09,731 with my baby boy, and they told him to get up and pretty close. 320 00:19:13,152 --> 00:19:15,904 Mose, right, pleaded with the two men. 321 00:19:15,904 --> 00:19:18,490 He's only 14 and he's from up north. 322 00:19:18,490 --> 00:19:21,285 Why not give the boy a whipping right bait 323 00:19:21,285 --> 00:19:24,246 and leave it at that? 324 00:19:25,747 --> 00:19:27,374 The two in the next room. 325 00:19:27,374 --> 00:19:30,294 Cousin and uncle. They never woke up. 326 00:19:30,294 --> 00:19:32,379 My Uncle Semi did wake up. 327 00:19:32,379 --> 00:19:33,505 They told him to go back to sleep. 328 00:19:33,505 --> 00:19:35,632 He's 12 years old. 329 00:19:35,632 --> 00:19:38,635 And I'll just say I'm six in the dark. 330 00:19:39,845 --> 00:19:42,848 J.W. Milam turned to Mose Wright. 331 00:19:43,098 --> 00:19:44,391 How old are you, preacher? 332 00:19:44,391 --> 00:19:45,851 He asked. 333 00:19:45,851 --> 00:19:48,103 64, Wright replied. 334 00:19:48,103 --> 00:19:51,899 If you make any trouble, you'll never live to be 65. 335 00:19:54,943 --> 00:19:56,653 Nick recorded the question. 336 00:19:56,653 --> 00:19:58,697 Is this the right one? 337 00:19:58,697 --> 00:20:01,658 And I heard a voice a year, 338 00:20:01,658 --> 00:20:04,661 and they drove toward money. 339 00:20:06,580 --> 00:20:09,374 Nobody talked to anybody. 340 00:20:09,374 --> 00:20:12,794 The house was as dark as a thousand midnight and couldn't see. 341 00:20:14,588 --> 00:20:18,550 And when they left, I was so afraid. 342 00:20:18,550 --> 00:20:21,553 And so I'm waiting for them to come back. 343 00:20:22,554 --> 00:20:23,847 There was a Sunday morning, 344 00:20:23,847 --> 00:20:26,850 early Sunday morning. 345 00:20:34,483 --> 00:20:37,486 I was playing beside the old, 346 00:20:37,778 --> 00:20:41,365 and I saw Mr., Miles and them truck coming by, 347 00:20:41,365 --> 00:20:44,368 and it had all had a couple that had no what we call a top podium. 348 00:20:45,911 --> 00:20:48,914 And I heard somebody hollered on the truck. 349 00:20:50,999 --> 00:20:53,919 I could hear all this being and I could hear this being and I could it 350 00:20:53,919 --> 00:20:58,298 is crying and crying and B and I'm saying it must have been somebody up there. 351 00:21:00,259 --> 00:21:00,884 I hope it didn't. 352 00:21:00,884 --> 00:21:03,804 Even before I got to info, I got to the barn I passed. 353 00:21:03,804 --> 00:21:06,807 They still would be, they still would be down here in. 354 00:21:09,309 --> 00:21:11,645 A mile came out. 355 00:21:11,645 --> 00:21:14,106 So he said, did you hear anything? 356 00:21:16,358 --> 00:21:16,817 I saw 357 00:21:16,817 --> 00:21:19,987 me, had a cattle pass and had a green out 358 00:21:20,028 --> 00:21:23,031 and sheet and a 45 on his side. 359 00:21:23,323 --> 00:21:25,826 So I said, no, I said, I ain't heard anything. 360 00:21:25,826 --> 00:21:28,829 I said anything. 361 00:21:30,247 --> 00:21:33,250 I was coming through there that morning. 362 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,297 Ty was out there watching the truck go, 363 00:21:39,881 --> 00:21:42,884 latch and get him out of the truck, out. 364 00:21:44,219 --> 00:21:45,929 That's all that blood come from. 365 00:21:45,929 --> 00:21:47,639 He lived. 366 00:21:47,639 --> 00:21:50,642 The boy lay as we did. 367 00:21:51,226 --> 00:21:53,312 He said, there's a shoe here. 368 00:21:53,312 --> 00:21:56,148 The one is still there. 369 00:21:56,148 --> 00:21:59,151 So that's the way I said. Who? 370 00:22:01,153 --> 00:22:04,156 Emitted a shoe. 371 00:22:09,369 --> 00:22:10,746 In Chicago. 372 00:22:10,746 --> 00:22:13,957 A desperate Mamie Till notified the local newspapers 373 00:22:13,957 --> 00:22:16,960 of Emmett's disappearance 374 00:22:17,044 --> 00:22:18,253 in Mississippi. 375 00:22:18,253 --> 00:22:22,841 The family alerted the sheriff and then began to search for any sign of the boy. 376 00:22:22,841 --> 00:22:26,720 Along riverbanks and under bridges where black folks always 377 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,682 look, Emmett's uncle said, when something like this happens, you. 378 00:22:33,435 --> 00:22:34,603 The next day, 379 00:22:34,603 --> 00:22:37,606 Roy Bryant was arrested for kidnaping. 380 00:22:38,106 --> 00:22:41,526 J.W. Milam was at a store in nearby Minto City 381 00:22:41,735 --> 00:22:44,738 when the La Flor County sheriff caught up with him. 382 00:22:45,322 --> 00:22:48,325 The day I got a report for you. 383 00:22:50,869 --> 00:22:53,872 To read up there like this. 384 00:22:55,332 --> 00:22:57,334 He spoke again, all over again. 385 00:22:57,334 --> 00:23:00,212 Yeah. I got to retrieve you. 386 00:23:00,212 --> 00:23:03,215 Go away. Hell, no. 387 00:23:03,757 --> 00:23:04,674 Thank you. 388 00:23:04,674 --> 00:23:06,635 Okay. 389 00:23:06,635 --> 00:23:09,721 It no longer the two hour, the high shave. 390 00:23:09,721 --> 00:23:12,015 Come back. 391 00:23:12,015 --> 00:23:13,225 I say come on in. 392 00:23:13,225 --> 00:23:14,476 And you need not go. No. 393 00:23:14,476 --> 00:23:17,938 Do another walked in and said, get a mile. 394 00:23:17,938 --> 00:23:18,647 I'll come with you. 395 00:23:18,647 --> 00:23:19,940 I'm okay. 396 00:23:19,940 --> 00:23:22,818 There a lot 397 00:23:22,818 --> 00:23:25,821 you want to get ready? Go. 398 00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:28,573 Yeah. 399 00:23:28,573 --> 00:23:31,576 You know. 400 00:23:33,578 --> 00:23:35,455 On August 31st, 401 00:23:35,455 --> 00:23:39,376 three days after Emmett Till I disappeared, a boy fishing 402 00:23:39,376 --> 00:23:44,089 in the Tallahatchie noticed a body caught on a gnarled root in the muddy water. 403 00:23:45,215 --> 00:23:47,634 He informed Tallahatchie County Sheriff 404 00:23:47,634 --> 00:23:50,637 Clarence Strider. 405 00:23:51,221 --> 00:23:53,807 My dad called me and 406 00:23:53,807 --> 00:23:55,600 asked me, I have a boat in the river. 407 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,603 And I told him I did. 408 00:23:59,062 --> 00:24:01,148 Then he said, well, 409 00:24:01,148 --> 00:24:02,858 we'll be down there in a little while. 410 00:24:02,858 --> 00:24:07,571 And he sent deputies down here to go with me, and we took the boat 411 00:24:07,571 --> 00:24:10,574 and went up the river. 412 00:24:11,783 --> 00:24:14,744 It was in a curve in the drift, 413 00:24:14,744 --> 00:24:17,747 and the foot was taking a. 414 00:24:18,457 --> 00:24:22,377 And we tore into the drift and got to him and, 415 00:24:22,919 --> 00:24:25,922 you know, got him out. 416 00:24:28,717 --> 00:24:30,135 Then we carried him 417 00:24:30,135 --> 00:24:33,263 up to the other landing and put him in the Irish. 418 00:24:37,184 --> 00:24:38,018 Emmett's body 419 00:24:38,018 --> 00:24:41,563 had been weighed down with a 75 pound cotton gin fan 420 00:24:41,897 --> 00:24:44,816 tied around his neck with barbed wire, 421 00:24:44,816 --> 00:24:47,527 and the boy was so badly beaten 422 00:24:47,527 --> 00:24:51,448 that Mose Wright could identify Emmett only by his father's ring. 423 00:24:53,283 --> 00:24:54,367 Mamie Till was in 424 00:24:54,367 --> 00:24:57,954 Chicago, surrounded by worried family and friends. 425 00:24:58,163 --> 00:25:01,208 When she was told that her only child was dead. 426 00:25:03,043 --> 00:25:06,046 Those words were like arrows 427 00:25:06,338 --> 00:25:09,341 sticking all over my body. 428 00:25:10,008 --> 00:25:12,385 My eyes were still full of tears 429 00:25:12,385 --> 00:25:15,388 until I couldn't see. 430 00:25:15,555 --> 00:25:18,517 And when I began to make the announcement, 431 00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:23,313 that Emmett had been found, 432 00:25:24,731 --> 00:25:27,234 and how he was found, 433 00:25:27,234 --> 00:25:31,905 the whole house began to scream and to cry. 434 00:25:33,907 --> 00:25:36,910 And that's when I realized 435 00:25:37,619 --> 00:25:41,998 that this was a load that I was going to have to carry. 436 00:25:42,666 --> 00:25:45,669 I wouldn't get any help carrying this. 437 00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:50,131 You know, 438 00:25:50,465 --> 00:25:55,178 by the time Mamie received her son's body back in Chicago, two weeks 439 00:25:55,178 --> 00:25:59,015 after she had kissed him goodbye, Emmett's murder was front page 440 00:25:59,015 --> 00:26:02,018 news on 441 00:26:02,561 --> 00:26:03,728 his body was taken 442 00:26:03,728 --> 00:26:07,899 to a funeral home owned by a ranger who had promised 443 00:26:07,899 --> 00:26:11,736 Mississippi authorities that he would keep the casket nailed shut. 444 00:26:12,862 --> 00:26:13,488 When Mamie 445 00:26:13,488 --> 00:26:16,992 Till asked him to open it up, Raynor refused, 446 00:26:18,243 --> 00:26:19,494 not asking. 447 00:26:19,494 --> 00:26:22,497 Mr. Raynor, do you have a hammer? 448 00:26:22,747 --> 00:26:25,417 I said, I haven't signed anything, 449 00:26:25,417 --> 00:26:28,086 and I haven't made any promises. 450 00:26:28,086 --> 00:26:31,631 And if you can't open those back that box, I can. 451 00:26:31,923 --> 00:26:34,092 We open the casket. 452 00:26:34,092 --> 00:26:37,095 There was a terrible odor 453 00:26:37,220 --> 00:26:41,057 that came from the body because the body had been in the water 454 00:26:42,392 --> 00:26:45,395 and began to deteriorate. 455 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,523 Mr. Raynor was he told the mother. 456 00:26:48,732 --> 00:26:51,443 He said, if I was you, I wouldn't look at this body, 457 00:26:51,443 --> 00:26:54,446 but this body in such a horrible condition. 458 00:26:55,238 --> 00:26:55,989 She said, Mr. 459 00:26:55,989 --> 00:26:58,283 Wayne, I want to see my son. 460 00:26:58,283 --> 00:27:02,370 And I decided then that I would start at his feet and work my way up, 461 00:27:03,580 --> 00:27:05,749 maybe gathering strength as I went. 462 00:27:07,751 --> 00:27:10,295 I paused at his midsection 463 00:27:10,295 --> 00:27:13,465 because I knew he would not want me looking at him, 464 00:27:15,258 --> 00:27:19,095 but I saw enough that I knew he was intact. 465 00:27:21,389 --> 00:27:24,851 I kept on up until I got to his chin, 466 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,896 and then I was forced 467 00:27:27,896 --> 00:27:30,899 to deal with this face. 468 00:27:31,358 --> 00:27:35,654 I saw that his tongue was choked out. 469 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,784 I noticed that the right I was lying on 470 00:27:41,159 --> 00:27:44,162 midway, his cheek. 471 00:27:45,455 --> 00:27:49,125 I noticed that his nose had been 472 00:27:50,126 --> 00:27:52,295 broken, like somebody 473 00:27:52,295 --> 00:27:55,840 took a meat chopper and chopped his nose 474 00:27:56,257 --> 00:27:59,260 in several places. 475 00:27:59,886 --> 00:28:03,264 As I kept looking, I saw a hole 476 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,643 which I presumed was a bullet hole, 477 00:28:07,018 --> 00:28:11,564 and I could look through that hole and see daylight on the other side. 478 00:28:12,399 --> 00:28:15,193 And I wondered, was it necessary 479 00:28:15,193 --> 00:28:18,196 to shoot it? 480 00:28:18,238 --> 00:28:20,615 Mr. Raynor asked me. 481 00:28:20,615 --> 00:28:21,116 He said, 482 00:28:22,325 --> 00:28:26,496 do you want me to touch the body up? 483 00:28:26,996 --> 00:28:27,997 I said, no, Mr. 484 00:28:27,997 --> 00:28:31,000 Raynor, let the people see what I've seen. 485 00:28:31,376 --> 00:28:34,295 I was just willing to bear it all. 486 00:28:34,295 --> 00:28:37,841 I think everybody needed to know what had happened 487 00:28:37,841 --> 00:28:40,844 to Emmett Till. 488 00:28:44,639 --> 00:28:45,765 Mamie's decision 489 00:28:45,765 --> 00:28:49,269 would make her son's death a touchstone for a generation. 490 00:28:50,311 --> 00:28:53,064 At a church on the south Side of Chicago, Emmett 491 00:28:53,064 --> 00:28:57,485 Till's mutilated body would be on display for all to see. 492 00:28:58,695 --> 00:29:00,113 It was on a Sunday afternoon. 493 00:29:00,113 --> 00:29:00,822 I won't ever forget. 494 00:29:00,822 --> 00:29:03,158 It was a Sunday afternoon. 495 00:29:03,158 --> 00:29:04,784 The church was very calm. 496 00:29:04,784 --> 00:29:07,245 The line was very orderly. 497 00:29:07,245 --> 00:29:12,584 See, I thought that pretty soon the crowd would die down. 498 00:29:12,584 --> 00:29:15,587 I looked like all of Chicago was there. 499 00:29:17,422 --> 00:29:19,132 He well, 500 00:29:19,132 --> 00:29:23,261 they brought the children with him because Emmett was 14 years old 501 00:29:24,095 --> 00:29:27,140 and they wanted the younger kids to see what happened to Emmett. 502 00:29:27,724 --> 00:29:29,642 He they were mad. 503 00:29:29,642 --> 00:29:32,270 They were angry. He. 504 00:29:34,272 --> 00:29:35,064 And as 505 00:29:35,064 --> 00:29:38,651 we were led into the church, my girlfriends and myself, 506 00:29:38,651 --> 00:29:43,323 we walked up to the casket and it was covered with, glass. 507 00:29:44,866 --> 00:29:47,827 And we all looked down. 508 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,039 This was our friend 509 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:55,752 laying looking like a monster. He 510 00:29:56,836 --> 00:30:01,466 he they said that about one 511 00:30:01,466 --> 00:30:05,804 in every five had to be assisted out of the building. 512 00:30:05,804 --> 00:30:08,515 They would just go into a fight. 513 00:30:08,515 --> 00:30:12,727 He I think black people's 514 00:30:12,727 --> 00:30:15,730 reaction was so visceral. 515 00:30:15,897 --> 00:30:20,443 He everybody knew we were under attack. 516 00:30:22,529 --> 00:30:25,240 And that attack was symbolized 517 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,243 by the attack on a 14 year old boy 518 00:30:28,785 --> 00:30:33,414 who, me? 519 00:30:33,748 --> 00:30:35,917 As far as I was concerned, that wasn't him. 520 00:30:35,917 --> 00:30:38,920 There. 521 00:30:40,129 --> 00:30:42,048 Yet at the same time, 522 00:30:42,048 --> 00:30:45,051 as confused as it may sound, it was him. 523 00:30:46,636 --> 00:30:49,639 But I didn't accept it. 524 00:30:50,265 --> 00:30:53,309 Just in my mind, I kept saying, I'll see him again. 525 00:30:53,393 --> 00:30:53,768 You know? 526 00:30:54,769 --> 00:30:57,397 And, I guess to me it didn't happen, 527 00:30:57,397 --> 00:31:00,400 but it did happen. 528 00:31:12,620 --> 00:31:14,956 50,000 people in Chicago 529 00:31:14,956 --> 00:31:18,209 had seen Emmett Till's corpse with their own eyes. 530 00:31:18,793 --> 00:31:22,088 When the black magazine jet ran photos of the body, 531 00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:25,508 black Americans across the country shuddered. 532 00:31:26,718 --> 00:31:28,177 It was grotesque. 533 00:31:28,177 --> 00:31:29,804 I mean, it was just. 534 00:31:29,804 --> 00:31:31,389 It blew my mind. 535 00:31:31,389 --> 00:31:33,308 I couldn't sleep at night. 536 00:31:33,308 --> 00:31:35,268 It was traumatic for me. 537 00:31:35,268 --> 00:31:37,770 From for months, 538 00:31:37,770 --> 00:31:40,773 I mean, I it touched us all. 539 00:31:40,857 --> 00:31:42,275 Mainstream newspapers 540 00:31:42,275 --> 00:31:45,820 and magazines spread the story of the 14 year old black 541 00:31:45,820 --> 00:31:49,157 boy who'd been brutally killed for whistling at a white woman. 542 00:31:49,866 --> 00:31:52,869 It stunned white America. 543 00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:56,122 Most white Americans at that time were saying 544 00:31:56,664 --> 00:31:59,500 things such as the Emmett Till murder 545 00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:03,212 had happened back in slavery times, that these kinds of things 546 00:32:03,212 --> 00:32:06,841 were not of their generation, that they no longer happened in America. 547 00:32:08,009 --> 00:32:10,720 And this said to them clearly, hey, it's right 548 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:16,559 here it is now. You. 549 00:32:19,938 --> 00:32:21,856 Roy Bryant and J.W. 550 00:32:21,856 --> 00:32:25,985 Milam admitted having taken Emmett Till, but claimed they'd let him go. 551 00:32:27,570 --> 00:32:30,698 Now, with the eyes of the nation turning to Mississippi, 552 00:32:31,032 --> 00:32:34,911 the state appointed a special prosecutor and filed charges. 553 00:32:35,536 --> 00:32:40,208 A formal indictment is that they did willfully, unlawfully felonious 554 00:32:40,208 --> 00:32:43,628 none of them, malice aforethought, kill and murder 555 00:32:43,628 --> 00:32:46,631 Emmett Till, a human being. 556 00:32:46,673 --> 00:32:51,052 Scores of reporters descended on the Delta television networks, 557 00:32:51,052 --> 00:32:54,389 chartered a plane to send footage to New York for the nightly news. 558 00:32:55,139 --> 00:32:59,644 The Associated Press fielded queries from Paris, Copenhagen, Tokyo 559 00:33:00,395 --> 00:33:02,647 the till case had become a major 560 00:33:02,647 --> 00:33:05,650 international news story. 561 00:33:07,151 --> 00:33:09,153 Under the glare of the spotlight, 562 00:33:09,153 --> 00:33:12,156 white Mississippians began to close ranks. 563 00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:15,535 Local stores collected 564 00:33:15,535 --> 00:33:19,455 $10,000 in countertop jars for Bryant and Milam. 565 00:33:20,373 --> 00:33:23,668 Every lawyer in the county joined their defense team. 566 00:33:26,045 --> 00:33:29,048 People of the socio economic level 567 00:33:29,465 --> 00:33:32,468 of the two defendants in this case 568 00:33:32,468 --> 00:33:35,471 were obviously looked down on by the, 569 00:33:35,763 --> 00:33:38,766 more aristocratic whites, 570 00:33:38,808 --> 00:33:41,561 almost, with the same disdain 571 00:33:41,561 --> 00:33:44,564 that they looked down on, on blacks, 572 00:33:44,981 --> 00:33:47,358 but they were still white folks. 573 00:33:47,358 --> 00:33:51,237 And, when push came to shove, the white community 574 00:33:51,237 --> 00:33:54,490 read it in support of them against, 575 00:33:54,907 --> 00:33:57,910 a young black person 576 00:33:58,036 --> 00:34:00,997 for whom they had even greater disdain, 577 00:34:01,664 --> 00:34:04,333 the atmosphere among whites. 578 00:34:04,333 --> 00:34:07,295 And Tallahatchie County and other, 579 00:34:07,420 --> 00:34:11,591 the whole surrounding area was one of, absolute scorn 580 00:34:11,591 --> 00:34:14,886 at the fact that these men were being put on trial for their lives. 581 00:34:16,137 --> 00:34:18,431 And the cynicism, was, 582 00:34:18,431 --> 00:34:21,434 usually couched in very crude jokes. 583 00:34:21,768 --> 00:34:24,771 One of them was, in that just like a nigger 584 00:34:25,021 --> 00:34:28,983 to or swim across the Tallahatchie River with a giant fan around his neck. 585 00:34:30,943 --> 00:34:33,071 I can't understand how 586 00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:36,657 a civilized mother could put a dead body 587 00:34:36,908 --> 00:34:39,911 of a child on public display. 588 00:34:40,161 --> 00:34:42,747 I'm almost convinced 589 00:34:42,747 --> 00:34:48,127 that the very beginning of this was by a communistic front butcher. 590 00:34:48,127 --> 00:34:50,963 I tell you right now, if he gets justice, they're turning the loose. 591 00:34:50,963 --> 00:34:54,801 If others on the grand jury, that is what I would do. 592 00:34:58,387 --> 00:35:00,098 Among African Americans, 593 00:35:00,098 --> 00:35:04,852 there was outright fear to tide Collins, who worked for J.W. 594 00:35:04,852 --> 00:35:07,814 Milam and had been seen washing blood from my limbs. 595 00:35:07,814 --> 00:35:10,566 Trunk disappeared. 596 00:35:10,566 --> 00:35:13,361 The message to black people was clear. 597 00:35:13,361 --> 00:35:14,821 Hide what you know. 598 00:35:14,821 --> 00:35:18,241 Hide even what you think or face the consequences. 599 00:35:20,076 --> 00:35:20,576 Young man. 600 00:35:20,576 --> 00:35:23,496 Do you think these two men should be indicted? 601 00:35:23,496 --> 00:35:24,956 I mean, no, no. 602 00:35:24,956 --> 00:35:27,917 What do you mean you don't know? 603 00:35:27,917 --> 00:35:29,669 I don't know. You're up. 604 00:35:29,669 --> 00:35:32,171 Have you studied the case by reading the papers? 605 00:35:32,171 --> 00:35:32,547 Perhaps 606 00:35:33,548 --> 00:35:35,925 that's. 607 00:35:35,925 --> 00:35:39,637 And you don't know whether they should be invited to indict? Yes. 608 00:35:39,846 --> 00:35:40,763 Thank you very much. 609 00:35:40,763 --> 00:35:43,766 Well. 610 00:35:43,808 --> 00:35:46,602 On September 19th, less than three weeks 611 00:35:46,602 --> 00:35:50,314 after Emmett's body was found, Roy Bryant and J.W. 612 00:35:50,314 --> 00:35:53,526 Milam trial for murder opened in Sumner, Mississippi, 613 00:35:53,776 --> 00:35:57,238 which touted itself as a good place to raise a boy. 614 00:35:59,532 --> 00:36:02,994 The air in the courtroom, a reporter wrote, was as heavy 615 00:36:02,994 --> 00:36:06,080 and oppressive as the moss that hangs from the cypress trees 616 00:36:07,874 --> 00:36:09,041 in the courtroom. 617 00:36:09,041 --> 00:36:12,044 They recorded 118 degrees. 618 00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:15,673 And, of course, there was no air conditioning. 619 00:36:16,215 --> 00:36:17,508 They had the ceiling. 620 00:36:17,508 --> 00:36:20,887 Fans were only stirring the air up, 621 00:36:21,429 --> 00:36:24,432 making it hotter when it reached your body. 622 00:36:25,391 --> 00:36:28,853 On the first day of the trial, presiding Judge Curtis Swank 623 00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:33,691 named the jury all white men from Bryant and Milam, home County. 624 00:36:35,234 --> 00:36:38,196 I remember looking at the at that jury, 625 00:36:39,447 --> 00:36:43,451 and even though I knew a good many of the men who owned the jury 626 00:36:43,826 --> 00:36:46,829 and and they looked mean to me, 627 00:36:47,413 --> 00:36:50,416 I would have hated going up against any of those guys. 628 00:36:52,585 --> 00:36:54,086 Tallahatchie County Sheriff 629 00:36:54,086 --> 00:36:58,716 and plantation owner Clarence Strider was responsible for locating witnesses 630 00:36:58,716 --> 00:37:01,719 and gathering evidence against Bryant and Milo. 631 00:37:02,678 --> 00:37:06,807 Sheriff Strider was a big, fat, 632 00:37:07,308 --> 00:37:11,354 plain talking, obscene talking sheriff you would expect to find in the South. 633 00:37:11,979 --> 00:37:15,233 His actions at the trial were more. 634 00:37:15,316 --> 00:37:18,486 I think he would latter so much to see justice of what was going on. 635 00:37:18,486 --> 00:37:21,697 But to be sure that he has courtroom was totally segregated. 636 00:37:22,114 --> 00:37:23,616 The man had laid it out. 637 00:37:23,616 --> 00:37:26,827 We got 22 seats over here for you 638 00:37:26,827 --> 00:37:30,122 white boys, and we got four seats, or we have you colored board. 639 00:37:30,122 --> 00:37:32,959 We don't mix them down here. We ain't going to mix them. 640 00:37:32,959 --> 00:37:34,752 I don't intend to. 641 00:37:34,752 --> 00:37:36,545 You ain't going to be with the white folks, 642 00:37:36,545 --> 00:37:38,047 and white folks are going to be with you. 643 00:37:38,047 --> 00:37:41,634 And y'all might be can, but ain't going to be no love match 644 00:37:41,676 --> 00:37:43,177 between black and white. Well, 645 00:37:44,971 --> 00:37:47,556 Strider consigned black reporters and Detroit 646 00:37:47,556 --> 00:37:51,352 Congressman Charles Diggs to a card table on the sidelines. 647 00:37:51,727 --> 00:37:55,147 Strider greeted them as he passed with a cheery hello, niggers! 648 00:37:55,982 --> 00:37:59,568 We never having a trouble until some of our southern niggers 649 00:37:59,568 --> 00:38:02,029 go up north in an WAC. 650 00:38:02,029 --> 00:38:04,907 Picked up steam and it come back home. 651 00:38:04,907 --> 00:38:08,536 If they will keep their nose and mouths out of our business, 652 00:38:08,536 --> 00:38:11,539 we'll be able to do more. 653 00:38:11,831 --> 00:38:16,002 We, when enforcing the laws of Tallahatchie Can and Mississippi, 654 00:38:17,336 --> 00:38:19,588 the reaction of reporters from out of 655 00:38:19,588 --> 00:38:22,591 the South was one of just absolute amazement. 656 00:38:23,092 --> 00:38:28,681 They knew that there were, strange things going on in and in places 657 00:38:28,681 --> 00:38:32,184 like Sumner, but they did not know it to be quite like that. 658 00:38:32,184 --> 00:38:37,231 They were really surprised that, and what they found at the same time, 659 00:38:37,231 --> 00:38:41,819 of course, they wrote about it with great relish because it was a good story. 660 00:38:43,112 --> 00:38:44,530 It had sex, 661 00:38:44,530 --> 00:38:47,742 it had murder, it had mystery. 662 00:38:51,912 --> 00:38:54,832 When Mamie Till arrived, she had to make her way through 663 00:38:54,832 --> 00:38:57,877 an unsympathetic crowd gathered on the courthouse lawn. 664 00:38:59,587 --> 00:39:01,005 What do you intend to do here? 665 00:39:01,005 --> 00:39:04,425 I tell you to answer any questions that might. 666 00:39:04,633 --> 00:39:08,721 That the attorneys might ask you to answer to the fact that, 667 00:39:09,138 --> 00:39:11,724 how do you think you could possibly be a help to them? 668 00:39:11,724 --> 00:39:12,975 I don't know what you mean. 669 00:39:12,975 --> 00:39:15,978 Just by answering that as a question that they asked me. 670 00:39:17,646 --> 00:39:20,358 Do you have any evidence bearing on this case? 671 00:39:20,358 --> 00:39:22,693 Obviously, I didn't know that 672 00:39:22,693 --> 00:39:25,696 this is my son. 673 00:39:26,197 --> 00:39:28,366 Mamie Till testified that the body 674 00:39:28,366 --> 00:39:31,535 she had examined and buried was indeed her son. 675 00:39:32,453 --> 00:39:36,457 In their cross-examination, Bryant and Mylan's attorneys peppered her 676 00:39:36,457 --> 00:39:40,961 with hostile questions and then presented the main argument for the defense 677 00:39:41,545 --> 00:39:45,508 the corpse pulled from the Tallahatchie River was not Emmett Till. 678 00:39:46,675 --> 00:39:49,303 They summed up by saying, 679 00:39:49,303 --> 00:39:55,226 isn't it true that you and the ACP got your heads together 680 00:39:55,935 --> 00:39:57,478 and you came down here? 681 00:39:57,478 --> 00:40:00,481 And with their help, you all dug up a body 682 00:40:00,523 --> 00:40:05,236 and you have, claimed that body to be your son. 683 00:40:05,861 --> 00:40:09,115 Isn't it true that your son is in Detroit, Michigan 684 00:40:09,115 --> 00:40:12,118 with his grandfather right now, 685 00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:15,913 with Sheriff Strider and courtroom sentiment clearly on the side 686 00:40:15,913 --> 00:40:20,709 of the defendants, reporters began their own desperate search for witnesses. 687 00:40:21,836 --> 00:40:24,547 Black people wasn't speaking out about the Emmett Till, case 688 00:40:24,547 --> 00:40:29,343 at that particular time because they knew that it could happen to them. 689 00:40:30,469 --> 00:40:33,722 The blacks feared fighting for their lives and for their family life 690 00:40:33,931 --> 00:40:35,266 because of what it was. 691 00:40:35,266 --> 00:40:37,852 They those white folks, were for real. 692 00:40:37,852 --> 00:40:40,938 So it was just, you know, like, hush hush, you know? 693 00:40:41,772 --> 00:40:43,149 So I was told to keep my mouth shut. 694 00:40:43,149 --> 00:40:44,150 And that's what I did. 695 00:40:46,318 --> 00:40:49,780 Two days into the trial, reporters got a lead on a young 696 00:40:49,780 --> 00:40:53,534 sharecropper named Willie Reed who might be willing to talk. 697 00:40:54,910 --> 00:40:56,454 Now. Was in the current field. I was picking. 698 00:40:56,454 --> 00:40:58,831 I was picking cotton, picking cotton. 699 00:40:58,831 --> 00:41:00,249 And I looked across the field in. 700 00:41:00,249 --> 00:41:03,377 What about so many people come across the field toward me. 701 00:41:03,377 --> 00:41:06,380 Was white and black coming that way? 702 00:41:06,672 --> 00:41:08,382 And then they began to question me about this. 703 00:41:08,382 --> 00:41:10,134 You did you see anything? 704 00:41:10,134 --> 00:41:13,137 So I told them when I saw. 705 00:41:13,387 --> 00:41:15,514 Putting his life at risk, 706 00:41:15,514 --> 00:41:18,517 Willie Reed agreed to step forward. 707 00:41:18,976 --> 00:41:22,188 Whenever you walk near a courtroom and, 708 00:41:23,272 --> 00:41:24,398 you know what? 709 00:41:24,398 --> 00:41:27,276 You there you go on testifying. 710 00:41:27,276 --> 00:41:30,821 Then you look at all these white folks, everybody looking at you. 711 00:41:30,821 --> 00:41:33,365 Now, you got two frowns on your face and everything. 712 00:41:35,534 --> 00:41:36,202 You see them? 713 00:41:36,202 --> 00:41:38,370 They be looking at you every row now. 714 00:41:38,370 --> 00:41:40,164 Looking at you. Yeah. 715 00:41:40,164 --> 00:41:42,458 Why is you looking at it? 716 00:41:42,458 --> 00:41:45,461 It was. 717 00:41:45,586 --> 00:41:46,462 Reed spoke 718 00:41:46,462 --> 00:41:49,465 in a voice barely louder than a whisper. 719 00:41:49,924 --> 00:41:52,301 He'd seen Roy Bryant, J.W. 720 00:41:52,301 --> 00:41:56,555 Milam and one other white man with Emmett Till early that Sunday morning 721 00:41:57,056 --> 00:42:00,518 and had heard the sounds of a beating coming from Milam, said. 722 00:42:02,144 --> 00:42:04,063 After delivering his testimony, 723 00:42:04,063 --> 00:42:07,066 Reed was smuggled out of Mississippi. 724 00:42:07,066 --> 00:42:10,027 When he reached Chicago, he was hospitalized 725 00:42:10,027 --> 00:42:13,030 with a nervous breakdown. 726 00:42:15,783 --> 00:42:19,036 The prosecution's best witness was Mose Wright, 727 00:42:19,328 --> 00:42:22,456 who had clearly seen the man who took Emmett Till from his home. 728 00:42:23,499 --> 00:42:26,502 Wright had been in hiding since the night of the kidnaping 729 00:42:26,502 --> 00:42:29,004 and had been threatened with death. 730 00:42:29,004 --> 00:42:32,341 But there, in the searing heat of a Delta courtroom, 731 00:42:32,633 --> 00:42:36,136 the 64 year old sharecropper had his say. 732 00:42:37,388 --> 00:42:40,391 One of the attorneys asked, 733 00:42:40,391 --> 00:42:42,643 do you know the man 734 00:42:42,643 --> 00:42:45,646 who came to your house at night to get 735 00:42:46,897 --> 00:42:47,856 Emmett Till? 736 00:42:47,856 --> 00:42:50,025 How do you how? 737 00:42:50,025 --> 00:42:54,697 Mose Wright stood and pointed first at Roy Bryant, then at J.W. 738 00:42:54,697 --> 00:42:56,323 Milam. 739 00:42:56,323 --> 00:42:59,243 There he he said. 740 00:42:59,243 --> 00:43:01,537 Wright later claimed he could feel the blood 741 00:43:01,537 --> 00:43:04,540 boil and hundreds of white people in the courtroom. 742 00:43:04,999 --> 00:43:08,502 But he said I had decided to tell it like it was. 743 00:43:10,170 --> 00:43:14,466 That was a dramatic moment, and it took an awful lot of courage 744 00:43:14,466 --> 00:43:18,095 for him to get up there and, do what he did. 745 00:43:19,096 --> 00:43:22,057 I think he had decided that he was going to do it. 746 00:43:22,808 --> 00:43:25,603 No matter what happened. 747 00:43:25,603 --> 00:43:27,313 After he testified, 748 00:43:27,313 --> 00:43:30,983 Wright left his cotton blooming in the field, his old car 749 00:43:30,983 --> 00:43:34,903 sitting at the station, and slipped on to the train to Chicago. 750 00:43:35,654 --> 00:43:38,324 He would never again live in Mississippi. 751 00:43:43,245 --> 00:43:44,246 The trial drew to a 752 00:43:44,246 --> 00:43:47,249 close after only five days. 753 00:43:47,458 --> 00:43:50,210 In his summation, the lead defense attorney 754 00:43:50,210 --> 00:43:54,423 warned members of the jury that their ancestors would turn over 755 00:43:54,423 --> 00:43:58,260 in their graves if Bryant and Milam were found guilty. 756 00:43:59,595 --> 00:44:02,014 Every last Anglo-Saxon one of you, 757 00:44:02,014 --> 00:44:05,100 he said, has the courage to free these men. 758 00:44:07,686 --> 00:44:09,355 As the jury retired, 759 00:44:09,355 --> 00:44:12,941 the black people who were standing around the walls 760 00:44:13,275 --> 00:44:16,236 began to ease out of the door. 761 00:44:17,071 --> 00:44:20,074 I said, it's time for us to go. 762 00:44:21,367 --> 00:44:24,370 Congressman Diggs so what? 763 00:44:24,495 --> 00:44:26,622 I missed the verdict. 764 00:44:26,622 --> 00:44:28,957 I said, Congressman, this is one verdict 765 00:44:28,957 --> 00:44:31,960 you don't want to be present to hear. 766 00:44:33,921 --> 00:44:34,505 The crowd 767 00:44:34,505 --> 00:44:37,508 in the courtroom waited in the heat. 768 00:44:37,633 --> 00:44:39,760 Reporters overheard members of the jury 769 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,763 laughing and joking in the jury room. 770 00:44:43,055 --> 00:44:46,016 In just over an hour, the jury returned. 771 00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:49,895 And the Emmett Till murder trial. 772 00:44:49,895 --> 00:44:51,980 The all white jury has acquitted the two white 773 00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:54,983 defendants accused of killing the 14 year old Negro youth. 774 00:44:55,401 --> 00:44:58,654 The jury foreman said the deciding factor was the state's failure 775 00:44:58,654 --> 00:45:00,155 to prove the identity of the body. 776 00:45:00,155 --> 00:45:03,158 Pulled from a river near Sumner, Mississippi. 777 00:45:03,450 --> 00:45:05,452 A juror later revealed that 778 00:45:05,452 --> 00:45:08,455 the jury had stalled to make it look good. 779 00:45:09,415 --> 00:45:12,668 They wouldn't have taken so long to return to the courtroom, he said. 780 00:45:13,419 --> 00:45:16,422 If they hadn't stopped to drink, pop, 781 00:45:16,797 --> 00:45:20,050 the verdict came in not guilty. 782 00:45:21,218 --> 00:45:22,928 You could hear guns firing. 783 00:45:22,928 --> 00:45:26,014 I mean, it was almost like a 4th of July celebration, 784 00:45:26,473 --> 00:45:29,893 or it was almost as if the White Sox 785 00:45:29,893 --> 00:45:32,896 had won the pennant in the city of Chicago. 786 00:45:32,896 --> 00:45:35,691 It was just, it was just 787 00:45:36,817 --> 00:45:39,820 oh, it was a mess. 788 00:45:42,072 --> 00:45:42,489 After the 789 00:45:42,489 --> 00:45:45,492 trial, Sheriff Clarence Strider told reporters, 790 00:45:45,909 --> 00:45:48,912 I hope the Chicago niggers and the ACP are 791 00:45:48,912 --> 00:45:51,915 satisfied. 792 00:45:52,082 --> 00:45:54,168 People are used to doing things 793 00:45:54,168 --> 00:45:57,171 normal around here. 794 00:45:57,421 --> 00:45:59,548 And they just 795 00:45:59,548 --> 00:46:01,467 tried to run anything. 796 00:46:01,467 --> 00:46:03,510 They thought they could run over the judge. 797 00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:07,723 And this year, and everybody over there, they thought that they, 798 00:46:08,515 --> 00:46:11,518 you know, could just take over. 799 00:46:11,894 --> 00:46:14,354 But they didn't feel. 800 00:46:14,354 --> 00:46:17,357 Now it's all over. Roy, I'm about to 801 00:46:17,816 --> 00:46:20,819 I'm just glad it's over with. 802 00:46:20,903 --> 00:46:23,822 I'm doing a little back up, 803 00:46:23,822 --> 00:46:26,825 firm on my feet with a smile. 804 00:46:33,582 --> 00:46:34,208 Reports 805 00:46:34,208 --> 00:46:37,795 of the acquittal made front page headlines across the United States 806 00:46:38,170 --> 00:46:41,173 and set off an international firestorm. 807 00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:43,926 The life of a Negro in Mississippi, 808 00:46:43,926 --> 00:46:47,221 one European paper observed, is not worth a whistle. 809 00:46:51,225 --> 00:46:54,937 From Boston to Los Angeles, black people packed meeting halls 810 00:46:54,937 --> 00:46:58,982 and spilled into the streets to hear Mamie Till tell her story. 811 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,529 And what I saw was a shame before God. 812 00:47:03,529 --> 00:47:05,364 And I, 813 00:47:05,364 --> 00:47:07,991 and the way the country chose to believe 814 00:47:07,991 --> 00:47:11,411 the ridiculous stories of the defense attorneys. 815 00:47:12,538 --> 00:47:14,540 I just can't go into detail 816 00:47:14,540 --> 00:47:18,585 to tell you the silly things, the stupid things 817 00:47:18,585 --> 00:47:22,589 that were brought up as probabilities, and they swallowed it like a fish. 818 00:47:22,589 --> 00:47:23,590 Swallow them up. 819 00:47:23,590 --> 00:47:27,094 Just anything, just any excuse to put these two men 820 00:47:29,012 --> 00:47:31,431 protected from further prosecution. 821 00:47:31,431 --> 00:47:33,183 Roy Bryant and J.W. 822 00:47:33,183 --> 00:47:36,812 Milam sold their story to a reporter from look magazine 823 00:47:36,812 --> 00:47:39,815 for $4,000. 824 00:47:40,315 --> 00:47:41,525 Their account appeared 825 00:47:41,525 --> 00:47:44,528 just four months after the acquittal. 826 00:47:45,904 --> 00:47:46,780 We took them in. 827 00:47:46,780 --> 00:47:50,367 We was just going to whip them, scare some sense into them. 828 00:47:54,454 --> 00:47:57,165 Back of the house to share 829 00:47:57,165 --> 00:48:00,168 two rooms about 12ft square. 830 00:48:00,794 --> 00:48:02,713 You walked them in there, took turns 831 00:48:02,713 --> 00:48:05,716 smashing them across the head with the 45 832 00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:06,884 first. 833 00:48:06,884 --> 00:48:09,845 My brother and me. 834 00:48:12,180 --> 00:48:14,433 We put him back in the truck. 835 00:48:14,433 --> 00:48:17,436 We knew what we was going to do. 836 00:48:18,687 --> 00:48:20,147 Here's a spot about a mile 837 00:48:20,147 --> 00:48:23,150 and a half from the bridge where the banks are steep. 838 00:48:23,650 --> 00:48:26,653 It was just spot. 839 00:48:26,778 --> 00:48:29,531 I held up the gun 840 00:48:29,531 --> 00:48:31,116 I fired, and the Chicago boy 841 00:48:31,116 --> 00:48:34,119 twisted round and caught it right in the ear. 842 00:48:35,579 --> 00:48:38,206 We tied the gin fan to his neck with barbed wire, 843 00:48:38,206 --> 00:48:41,209 and rolled his body into 20ft of muddy water. 844 00:48:43,629 --> 00:48:45,005 For three hours that morning, 845 00:48:45,005 --> 00:48:48,008 we had a big old fire in the yard. 846 00:48:48,091 --> 00:48:50,469 Damn if that nigger didn't have crape soled shoes. 847 00:48:51,595 --> 00:48:54,598 You know how hard they are to burn. 848 00:49:01,021 --> 00:49:04,691 If there were others involved, as Willie Reed and Mose Wright 849 00:49:04,691 --> 00:49:08,028 had testified under oath, Milam and Bryant 850 00:49:08,028 --> 00:49:11,031 did not name them. 851 00:49:14,409 --> 00:49:16,119 Mamie Till went to Washington 852 00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:19,122 to press the federal government to reopen the case. 853 00:49:19,456 --> 00:49:23,585 Despite thousands of letters protesting Mississippi's handling of the murder, 854 00:49:23,961 --> 00:49:27,339 President Dwight Eisenhower and FBI director J. 855 00:49:27,339 --> 00:49:30,509 Edgar Hoover ruled out a federal investigation. 856 00:49:31,843 --> 00:49:33,637 Eisenhower didn't even answer 857 00:49:33,637 --> 00:49:36,640 Mamie Till's telegram. 858 00:49:38,684 --> 00:49:41,019 No one ever did time for the killing 859 00:49:41,019 --> 00:49:44,022 of the 14 year old black boy from Chicago. 860 00:49:49,987 --> 00:49:51,154 But his murder 861 00:49:51,154 --> 00:49:54,741 and the trial and acquittal of his killers send a powerful message. 862 00:49:55,534 --> 00:49:59,955 If change was going to come, people would have to put themselves on the line. 863 00:50:00,580 --> 00:50:03,583 Contributions to civil rights groups soared, 864 00:50:03,792 --> 00:50:08,505 and 100 days after the death of Emmett Till, Rosa Parks refused 865 00:50:08,505 --> 00:50:13,051 to give up her seat to a white person, and the Montgomery bus boycott began. 866 00:50:15,137 --> 00:50:16,638 When people 867 00:50:16,638 --> 00:50:19,641 saw what had happened to my son, 868 00:50:20,434 --> 00:50:23,437 men stood up who had never stood up before. 869 00:50:24,688 --> 00:50:28,275 People became vocal, who had never vocalized before. 870 00:50:29,985 --> 00:50:31,653 Emmett's death 871 00:50:31,653 --> 00:50:34,823 was the opening of the civil rights movement. 872 00:50:35,741 --> 00:50:38,744 He was the sacrificial lamb of the movement. 873 00:50:43,957 --> 00:50:46,126 I do believe that 874 00:50:46,126 --> 00:50:51,298 nationally, or at least across the South, the Emmett Till trial and the 875 00:50:51,298 --> 00:50:55,844 and the result of that trial somehow spurred the civil rights movement 876 00:50:56,887 --> 00:51:00,057 to see if this was the last straw. 877 00:51:00,390 --> 00:51:03,393 Or maybe it was the spark. 878 00:51:06,396 --> 00:51:09,316 People were thoroughly disgusted 879 00:51:09,316 --> 00:51:15,197 at what happened in that situation, and made an awful lot of people 880 00:51:15,197 --> 00:51:19,326 realize that they themselves had to get involved 881 00:51:19,868 --> 00:51:22,871 and do something. 882 00:51:24,581 --> 00:51:27,584 It was just a magnificent reaction 883 00:51:28,335 --> 00:51:32,756 to a very ugly thing that had taken place in this country. 68712

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