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I'm not responsible for anything that's
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about to come out of my mouth love it
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Peter H Peter H thank you for your
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question what is something in today's
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world that you wish your characters
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would be able to see or experience PS
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congrats on the Emmy
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nominations Tim would be living his best
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life yeah God he would yeah I mean he
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would be so proud of the of bits of how
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you know how communities progressed um
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my goodness what
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question I
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mean God there's so much I mean he yeah
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there's so much I mean he would I mean
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the fact that I think for him it would
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be about education and about the
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inclusion of queerness and and gayness
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in schools I think which I know you know
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we still have in the UK but I think he'd
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be incredibly proud I mean there such an
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Earnest response but yeah he just I
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think he would just love gay marriage
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and just be able to and to be able to be
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with he's so he loved
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so fiercely and um I think yeah he would
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have wanted to stand by someone and to
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be able to let go of all that shame I
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think and he would have done as well
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yeah I would love to see a photo album
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him just a bunch of different weddings
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like enjoying at
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all totally okay I'm going to go to the
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Ernest drought too um I would say not
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that that that was beautiful he said I'm
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just saying I'm not gonna try to make
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people laugh um I would say it would be
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so beautiful for Hawk to get to see a
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world where he could have everything
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that he thought he needed to sacrifice
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everything to have but also not have to
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sacrifice any of that to have it does
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that make sense a world where he could
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have the job in the government have the
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life in Italy also have the life love of
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his life and also not have to feel like
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just kissing him in public wasn't a
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completely revolutionary act beautifully
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said all right Laura Laura's up next
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Matt what was your favorite scene or
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performance of Jonathan's and Jonathan
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what was your favorite of Matts I can
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answer that sorry I I I my my mind is
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blown with the performance of the
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polygraph test I just think it's one of
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the most stunning sequences performed on
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TV I do I really I think how do you do
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that there's nothing seemingly happening
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physically but you know exactly what is
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going on and the building pressure and
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everything that Hawk is as an animal is
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featured in that sequence and I think
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yeah I think it's beautiful and yeah and
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you can't really compare it to anything
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I think it's it's very kind of you to
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say we had an amazing director who I
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feel like did so much of that work
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right but but what but yeah thank you
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that thank you I to say thank you not
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good with compliments got it honestly um
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I I mean it's so hard for me to pick
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just one because Johnny was so brilliant
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in so many of our scenes and just the
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what he would bring to the table would
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force me into the moment and bring me
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right there with him and I just feel
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like I feel like um a lot of it would
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and I'll just go sequen
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okay um the 50s when you wrote uh when
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you when you hung out of the party and I
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make you write the
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letter I mean just seeing everything his
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character was going through but also
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having to like steal myself from that
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was like one of the hardest things I've
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ever had to do that was one of that was
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the scene I was referring to that was it
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that and and just the the the subtlety
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and the Nuance of seeing this lost kid
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who was so ahead of his time time it was
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just all written across your face and
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you know I loved you in the
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70s I think a lot of people did just
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saying yeah but also just the beauty of
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what he' brought from the 60s because I
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knew what happened in the 60s and I saw
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him bring that in in the 70s and was
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like it was the first time I saw you
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like a fully realized
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man and it was like whoa it was it just
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it just brought me right into the scene
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because with the first scene we shot in
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the 70s uh was our sort of day trip to
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the beach where and he checks in on walk
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and he's sort of studying and you come
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out the sea and um yeah I I remember
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likewise seeing you know the it was
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unbelievably Mo like the the sort of the
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spiraling of Hawk was evident but we
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hadn't seen each other until we got to
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the beach yes and yeah so that was I
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remember that it was another one of
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those scenes that you're talking about
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that Ron writes that's so unexpected and
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such a just to position emotionally
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because Hawke at the time is like
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flirting with death trying to kill
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himself and see if he has the courage to
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swim out far enough that he can't make
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it back and he pushes himself that day
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and then he gets to the beach and
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there's the love of his life waiting for
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him yeah who like brings him back to
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life and there's also something about
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Tim at that point has developed the
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ability to sit and observe and not you
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know em be led by his emotions and
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it's so interesting when the person that
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you that knows you intimately you can't
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hide behind and at that point Hawk is
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just with all yeah tension is holding on
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to try some semblance of being okay and
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Tim can just see which I think is yeah
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yeah it's powerful yeah I mean I'm
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sitting up here grinning like a fool
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because how satisfying is it to hear
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them talk about these scenes that we've
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been watching and loving right for so
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long it's truly amazing to hear you you
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know kind of pick them apart in that way
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all right Nicole C is watching I have to
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say one other scene I'm sorry I'm sorry
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y'all sorry Nicole C I'm sorry the last
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scene we had together in the
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80s oh yeah
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outside the strength and the poignancy
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you you don't understand how great an
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actor you have to be to play Tim in that
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scene and not lean into the
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sentimentality too far but have it be
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earned and just come from the soul and
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just come through the eyes so
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beautifully and in such a human way that
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it really would was like wow that's like
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that's like the degree of difficulty on
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that is unheard of and just it was one
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of the most beautiful things I've ever
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seen that is really that is Ron that
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is that is that really is but also you
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know technically in a scene like that I
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remember we cross shot that Do You
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Remember by that and and so basically
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what you see is a live reaction because
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you know you know when you film a scene
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some S I don't know like once sometimes
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it's just you film you know what I mean
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do you know yeah um so we were both
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being filmed at the same time yeah yeah
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um and um and it was so it was silent
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and and and you know usually there was
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something it was like a really it was
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like a gentle snowfall yeah there was
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wasn't there in moments yeah yeah and
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there was a sequence that wasn't in the
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finished edit where Tim and Hawk arrive
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at the gala do you remember yes yeah oh
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and there was the young activists that
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were fight oh yeah yeah
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yeah that meant a lot to you
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huh yeah but you I mean yeah just they
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rose that you know they Rose their fist
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to Tim and I think Hawk sort of
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acknowledged it but I mean it was just
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mean I think the the scene you know
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obviously the de you know that's the the
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in you know that's the big operatic
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moment I suppose and I think the whole
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crew and everyone it was something there
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was a Simplicity to it by that point
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because all the work's done you know
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for Tim as well and that's what so
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they've had their amazing and that's the
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end of their
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amazing um beautiful sort of operatic
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life romance romance that that's it and
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I think there was not much more to say
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and it was clear for Tim for the first
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time in his life um and that's to do
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with Ron that is literally to do with
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Ron's experience and his understanding
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of you know his own life I suppose but
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also interpreting other people's and
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that's what made it so I think it was
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yeah I do think it was so how you know
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the nerve because we didn't get episode
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8 for a while yes and as we were
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building momentum and you're like oh my
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gosh like you see nor and gelani and
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knowing the sort of wealth of you know
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with Allison coming in and getting a
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sense of that because it was so me and
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Matt for so long and then you'd see bits
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you'd be like oh my God this is and
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never doubting it but just being so
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excited to see how a master can tie that
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all up and and it was amazing how he did
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it and there were a lot of things in
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flux up until the very end yeah remember
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there didn't used to be a milk scene or
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the milk scene was very
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[Applause]
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different do
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you do you remember what there was do
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you remember yes well there were many
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iterations but are you talking about the
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candle wax the CLE
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wax I'm a little
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speechless all right we were finding
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these things out like a week before we
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do them and so it was it was but Ron had
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the whole thing mapped out in his mind
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and he knew had a Tetris in the perfect
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thing to really bring the full Arc of
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the relationship so and he knew that it
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was the AIDS Quil that he was gonna that
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that was his vignette that um and he I
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think points you know there were
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conversations about it could end in
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different ways and he just just he's
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like that is how it ends and I think
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that was one of his first images that
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came to his head when he considered
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adapting the novel I just think it's so
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powerful the zooming out and then yeah
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no it's it it brought many people to
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tears I'm sure of it
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um sticking on theme with different
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scene work this is from Nicole C who's
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watching on the Live Stream Hawks
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breakdown on Fire Island and the way in
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which Tim really takes care of him is so
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moving what was each of your experience
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like filming
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well I mean go ahead no you you go ahead
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well I just I no no no go on
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you oh no no you say
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it no I mean it was
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I don't know why my brain goes to I just
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remember I think I'm nervous no it's I
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mean it was so emotionally it was you
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know huge and upsetting and you know
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Matt it's so easy to obviously as Tim
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look after Hawk when Matt was giving
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that performance but I do remember your
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wig fell off a little
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bit your wig fell off your wig fell off
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oh did oh you put it back on
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yeah so that they wouldn't lose the
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tears coming out of my eyes I was like
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stay in it stay in it it's like yeah it
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was because it was quite you know it was
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a real yeah it was a handsy scene in
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many
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ways um I you know that honestly that
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was the that was one of the more
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challenging things I've ever had to do
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in my life it was obviously so raw
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emotionally but what Destiny did that
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was kind of a favor to us but was also
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terrifying there was no like cut between
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we had to play out the whole sex scene
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all the way through the end of the
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breakdown so there was no it's not like
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they separated out the two uh which was
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obviously kind of terrifying as a
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performer but ultimately I think all all
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the the drug fueled uh just bakan alian
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desire and it mixed with the anger and
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the frustration and the turn in the
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scene I think she really did us all a
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great service in that you know and that
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and that she let us play out the
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entirety of it you and and that's
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another example of Ron's what like how
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you think the scene you know is so it's
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so indulgent in the the power play
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between the three of them and their
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needs are all so explicit and then for
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it to be for the picture
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of um Jackson to be spotted I think it
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was that was like a wild ride but that's
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you know I just again just you know
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you're seeing you're seeing uh sort of a
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Lamborghini at work there and you just
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sort of you know all Tim has to do you
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know you just have to listen and and be
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there but it was brutal but I did feel
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that I felt everything that you I felt I
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and that was one of those moments that
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we talked about in that coffee shop
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where you were there for me on every
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level not only when we were filming but
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when the cameras were in between and
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every everything else and it is a
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testament to to Ron's writing though
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because it is so reflective you know
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it's almost the same way with his
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alcohol intake that you don't come for
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that secret he Harbors or he lashes out
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at you and it was It was kind of an echo
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of that when has a tragic secret if you
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try to find it or uncover it he
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attacks well we're going to finish up
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with two light-hearted questions from
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the audience Megan would like to know
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would Hawke and Skippy support brat
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summer Megan I love you what a great
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question that's part
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one skiy for sure right he's he's like
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friends with Charlie
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XCX yeah she he was at um her birthday
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party the other day um I think that's
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basically what Fire Island was for them
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they yeah yeah wasn't it yeah um Hawk
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likes watching the twinks enjoy brat
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summer
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yeah and and other people too but maybe
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you know so I think that answers who is
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the bigger
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brat oh my gosh
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probably Hawk
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yeah okay you in a BU as people or our
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characters I think we should go for both
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no don't make us do that I don't even
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know what brat summer means I don't
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either I'm still trying to figure it out
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there's a dance on Tik Tok I know that
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yeah I like that we'll learn it and
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we'll do it and we'll post it
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okay last
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question um and this is I guess a lot of
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people asked it so many names on this
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lots of milk
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questions Jack and Jonathan Jonathan how
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much milk did you drink what kind was
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it it's oat milk for me um uh I drank
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probably about 17
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lers no no you know what we did that
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really quickly we did a take and a half
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yeah after about yeah I mean 20 hour no
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no 17 hour day yeah there was a long um
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I remember at the beginning of that you
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knowing that scene that was at the end
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of the day and you look down at the call
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sheet and like we've done one we've done
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one scene and we've got 7 to go and it's
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like it was literally two in the morning
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yeah yeah I mean it was you know uh but
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yeah so actually not not that much milk
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um but it was for me it was oat okay did
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you mind that when opportunity to talk
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about your your charity if you want to
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oh yeah yeah she's a great audience to
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talk
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is beautiful thing that Jonathan did
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that parlay some of the work and
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awareness we did on the show and and
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turned it into something much bigger and
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a great way to give back to the
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community yeah well I think I do think
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that's something that was totally
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inspired by you know obviously inspired
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by fellow shelers but just the
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experience of telling the story um and
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uh and yeah I mean the the T-shirt sold
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out straight away but I think that's
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because of Matt's
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command well the name of the
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organization is is is the Shameless fund
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and we can look online about
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yeah you can and it's going to you know
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it will um yeah I'm excited I'm really
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excited it feels like a sort of um a
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really interesting way of of being able
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to support multiple Charities as we go
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forward and um 2025 will be the year
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where we can start um you know
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identifying the grants and but there's
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amazing ways in doing thing because it's
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kind of overwhelming I think when uh
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when you know you get asked to get
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involved with different charities and I
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just sort of felt um obviously you know
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wanted to there's so many brilliant
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causes out there and uh so wanted to
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come up with a way that you could
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disperse um and also raise the profile
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of um nonprofits and um because you know
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how else do you is is this sense of
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overwhelm isn't there Charities and
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anyway Shameless fun will be a way that
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you can support those um by you know
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hopefully buying some viby stuff along
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the way yeah well good on you you guys
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this has been one of the most gratifying
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interviews I've gotten to do in my
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career I love when I get to highlight
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work that actually says something and
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that means so much to so many people and
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to talk to two Trailblazers in the
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community going out there and fighting
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the good fight through ART because I
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think nothing is more powerful than that
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