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I'm not responsible for anything that's

about to come out of my mouth love it

Peter H Peter H thank you for your

question what is something in today's

world that you wish your characters

would be able to see or experience PS

congrats on the Emmy

nominations Tim would be living his best

life yeah God he would yeah I mean he

would be so proud of the of bits of how

you know how communities progressed um

my goodness what

question I

mean God there's so much I mean he yeah

there's so much I mean he would I mean

the fact that I think for him it would

be about education and about the

inclusion of queerness and and gayness

in schools I think which I know you know

we still have in the UK but I think he'd

be incredibly proud I mean there such an

Earnest response but yeah he just I

think he would just love gay marriage

and just be able to and to be able to be

with he's so he loved

so fiercely and um I think yeah he would

have wanted to stand by someone and to

be able to let go of all that shame I

think and he would have done as well

yeah I would love to see a photo album

him just a bunch of different weddings

like enjoying at

all totally okay I'm going to go to the

Ernest drought too um I would say not

that that that was beautiful he said I'm

just saying I'm not gonna try to make

people laugh um I would say it would be

so beautiful for Hawk to get to see a

world where he could have everything

that he thought he needed to sacrifice

everything to have but also not have to

sacrifice any of that to have it does

that make sense a world where he could

have the job in the government have the

life in Italy also have the life love of

his life and also not have to feel like

just kissing him in public wasn't a

completely revolutionary act beautifully

said all right Laura Laura's up next

Matt what was your favorite scene or

performance of Jonathan's and Jonathan

what was your favorite of Matts I can

answer that sorry I I I my my mind is

blown with the performance of the

polygraph test I just think it's one of

the most stunning sequences performed on

TV I do I really I think how do you do

that there's nothing seemingly happening

physically but you know exactly what is

going on and the building pressure and

everything that Hawk is as an animal is

featured in that sequence and I think

yeah I think it's beautiful and yeah and

you can't really compare it to anything

I think it's it's very kind of you to

say we had an amazing director who I

feel like did so much of that work

right but but what but yeah thank you

that thank you I to say thank you not

good with compliments got it honestly um

I I mean it's so hard for me to pick

just one because Johnny was so brilliant

in so many of our scenes and just the

what he would bring to the table would

force me into the moment and bring me

right there with him and I just feel

like I feel like um a lot of it would

and I'll just go sequen

okay um the 50s when you wrote uh when

you when you hung out of the party and I

make you write the

letter I mean just seeing everything his

character was going through but also

having to like steal myself from that

was like one of the hardest things I've

ever had to do that was one of that was

the scene I was referring to that was it

that and and just the the the subtlety

and the Nuance of seeing this lost kid

who was so ahead of his time time it was

just all written across your face and

you know I loved you in the

70s I think a lot of people did just

saying yeah but also just the beauty of

what he' brought from the 60s because I

knew what happened in the 60s and I saw

him bring that in in the 70s and was

like it was the first time I saw you

like a fully realized

man and it was like whoa it was it just

it just brought me right into the scene

because with the first scene we shot in

the 70s uh was our sort of day trip to

the beach where and he checks in on walk

and he's sort of studying and you come

out the sea and um yeah I I remember

likewise seeing you know the it was

unbelievably Mo like the the sort of the

spiraling of Hawk was evident but we

hadn't seen each other until we got to

the beach yes and yeah so that was I

remember that it was another one of

those scenes that you're talking about

that Ron writes that's so unexpected and

such a just to position emotionally

because Hawke at the time is like

flirting with death trying to kill

himself and see if he has the courage to

swim out far enough that he can't make

it back and he pushes himself that day

and then he gets to the beach and

there's the love of his life waiting for

him yeah who like brings him back to

life and there's also something about

Tim at that point has developed the

ability to sit and observe and not you

know em be led by his emotions and

it's so interesting when the person that

you that knows you intimately you can't

hide behind and at that point Hawk is

just with all yeah tension is holding on

to try some semblance of being okay and

Tim can just see which I think is yeah

yeah it's powerful yeah I mean I'm

sitting up here grinning like a fool

because how satisfying is it to hear

them talk about these scenes that we've

been watching and loving right for so

long it's truly amazing to hear you you

know kind of pick them apart in that way

all right Nicole C is watching I have to

say one other scene I'm sorry I'm sorry

y'all sorry Nicole C I'm sorry the last

scene we had together in the

80s oh yeah

outside the strength and the poignancy

you you don't understand how great an

actor you have to be to play Tim in that

scene and not lean into the

sentimentality too far but have it be

earned and just come from the soul and

just come through the eyes so

beautifully and in such a human way that

it really would was like wow that's like

that's like the degree of difficulty on

that is unheard of and just it was one

of the most beautiful things I've ever

seen that is really that is Ron that

is that is that really is but also you

know technically in a scene like that I

remember we cross shot that Do You

Remember by that and and so basically

what you see is a live reaction because

you know you know when you film a scene

some S I don't know like once sometimes

it's just you film you know what I mean

do you know yeah um so we were both

being filmed at the same time yeah yeah

um and um and it was so it was silent

and and and you know usually there was

something it was like a really it was

like a gentle snowfall yeah there was

wasn't there in moments yeah yeah and

there was a sequence that wasn't in the

finished edit where Tim and Hawk arrive

at the gala do you remember yes yeah oh

and there was the young activists that

were fight oh yeah yeah

yeah that meant a lot to you

huh yeah but you I mean yeah just they

rose that you know they Rose their fist

to Tim and I think Hawk sort of

acknowledged it but I mean it was just

yeah I

mean I think the the scene you know

obviously the de you know that's the the

in you know that's the big operatic

moment I suppose and I think the whole

crew and everyone it was something there

was a Simplicity to it by that point

because all the work's done you know

for Tim as well and that's what so

they've had their amazing and that's the

end of their

amazing um beautiful sort of operatic

life romance romance that that's it and

I think there was not much more to say

and it was clear for Tim for the first

time in his life um and that's to do

with Ron that is literally to do with

Ron's experience and his understanding

of you know his own life I suppose but

also interpreting other people's and

that's what made it so I think it was

yeah I do think it was so how you know

the nerve because we didn't get episode

8 for a while yes and as we were

building momentum and you're like oh my

gosh like you see nor and gelani and

knowing the sort of wealth of you know

with Allison coming in and getting a

sense of that because it was so me and

Matt for so long and then you'd see bits

you'd be like oh my God this is and

never doubting it but just being so

excited to see how a master can tie that

all up and and it was amazing how he did

it and there were a lot of things in

flux up until the very end yeah remember

there didn't used to be a milk scene or

the milk scene was very

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different do

you do you remember what there was do

you remember yes well there were many

iterations but are you talking about the

candle wax the CLE

wax I'm a little

speechless all right we were finding

these things out like a week before we

do them and so it was it was but Ron had

the whole thing mapped out in his mind

and he knew had a Tetris in the perfect

thing to really bring the full Arc of

the relationship so and he knew that it

was the AIDS Quil that he was gonna that

that was his vignette that um and he I

think points you know there were

conversations about it could end in

different ways and he just just he's

like that is how it ends and I think

that was one of his first images that

came to his head when he considered

adapting the novel I just think it's so

powerful the zooming out and then yeah

no it's it it brought many people to

tears I'm sure of it

um sticking on theme with different

scene work this is from Nicole C who's

watching on the Live Stream Hawks

breakdown on Fire Island and the way in

which Tim really takes care of him is so

moving what was each of your experience

like filming

that

well I mean go ahead no you you go ahead

well I just I no no no go on

you oh no no you say

it no I mean it was

I don't know why my brain goes to I just

remember I think I'm nervous no it's I

mean it was so emotionally it was you

know huge and upsetting and you know

Matt it's so easy to obviously as Tim

look after Hawk when Matt was giving

that performance but I do remember your

wig fell off a little

bit your wig fell off your wig fell off

oh did oh you put it back on

yeah so that they wouldn't lose the

tears coming out of my eyes I was like

stay in it stay in it it's like yeah it

was because it was quite you know it was

a real yeah it was a handsy scene in

many

ways um I you know that honestly that

was the that was one of the more

challenging things I've ever had to do

in my life it was obviously so raw

emotionally but what Destiny did that

was kind of a favor to us but was also

terrifying there was no like cut between

we had to play out the whole sex scene

all the way through the end of the

breakdown so there was no it's not like

they separated out the two uh which was

obviously kind of terrifying as a

performer but ultimately I think all all

the the drug fueled uh just bakan alian

desire and it mixed with the anger and

the frustration and the turn in the

scene I think she really did us all a

great service in that you know and that

and that she let us play out the

entirety of it you and and that's

another example of Ron's what like how

you think the scene you know is so it's

so indulgent in the the power play

between the three of them and their

needs are all so explicit and then for

it to be for the picture

of um Jackson to be spotted I think it

was that was like a wild ride but that's

you know I just again just you know

you're seeing you're seeing uh sort of a

Lamborghini at work there and you just

sort of you know all Tim has to do you

know you just have to listen and and be

there but it was brutal but I did feel

that I felt everything that you I felt I

and that was one of those moments that

we talked about in that coffee shop

where you were there for me on every

level not only when we were filming but

when the cameras were in between and

every everything else and it is a

testament to to Ron's writing though

because it is so reflective you know

it's almost the same way with his

alcohol intake that you don't come for

that secret he Harbors or he lashes out

at you and it was It was kind of an echo

of that when has a tragic secret if you

try to find it or uncover it he

attacks well we're going to finish up

with two light-hearted questions from

the audience Megan would like to know

would Hawke and Skippy support brat

summer Megan I love you what a great

question that's part

one skiy for sure right he's he's like

friends with Charlie

XCX yeah she he was at um her birthday

party the other day um I think that's

basically what Fire Island was for them

they yeah yeah wasn't it yeah um Hawk

likes watching the twinks enjoy brat

summer

yeah and and other people too but maybe

you know so I think that answers who is

the bigger

brat oh my gosh

probably Hawk

yeah okay you in a BU as people or our

characters I think we should go for both

no don't make us do that I don't even

know what brat summer means I don't

either I'm still trying to figure it out

there's a dance on Tik Tok I know that

yeah I like that we'll learn it and

we'll do it and we'll post it

okay last

question um and this is I guess a lot of

people asked it so many names on this

lots of milk

questions Jack and Jonathan Jonathan how

much milk did you drink what kind was

it it's oat milk for me um uh I drank

probably about 17

lers no no you know what we did that

really quickly we did a take and a half

yeah after about yeah I mean 20 hour no

no 17 hour day yeah there was a long um

I remember at the beginning of that you

knowing that scene that was at the end

of the day and you look down at the call

sheet and like we've done one we've done

one scene and we've got 7 to go and it's

like it was literally two in the morning

yeah yeah I mean it was you know uh but

yeah so actually not not that much milk

um but it was for me it was oat okay did

you mind that when opportunity to talk

about your your charity if you want to

oh yeah yeah she's a great audience to

talk

is beautiful thing that Jonathan did

that parlay some of the work and

awareness we did on the show and and

turned it into something much bigger and

a great way to give back to the

community yeah well I think I do think

that's something that was totally

inspired by you know obviously inspired

by fellow shelers but just the

experience of telling the story um and

uh and yeah I mean the the T-shirt sold

out straight away but I think that's

because of Matt's

command well the name of the

organization is is is the Shameless fund

and we can look online about

yeah you can and it's going to you know

it will um yeah I'm excited I'm really

excited it feels like a sort of um a

really interesting way of of being able

to support multiple Charities as we go

forward and um 2025 will be the year

where we can start um you know

identifying the grants and but there's

amazing ways in doing thing because it's

kind of overwhelming I think when uh

when you know you get asked to get

involved with different charities and I

just sort of felt um obviously you know

wanted to there's so many brilliant

causes out there and uh so wanted to

come up with a way that you could

disperse um and also raise the profile

of um nonprofits and um because you know

how else do you is is this sense of

overwhelm isn't there Charities and

anyway Shameless fun will be a way that

you can support those um by you know

hopefully buying some viby stuff along

the way yeah well good on you you guys

this has been one of the most gratifying

interviews I've gotten to do in my

career I love when I get to highlight

work that actually says something and

that means so much to so many people and

to talk to two Trailblazers in the

community going out there and fighting

the good fight through ART because I

think nothing is more powerful than that