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Hello and welcome back to
The Traitors: Uncloaked,
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the official visualised podcast
hosted by me, Ed Gamble.
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Once again, I have to tell you
that this show
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is riddled with spoilers.
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If you haven't seen Episode 7, then
please get yourself over to iPlayer
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and catch up immediately.
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And I am delighted to say that
we can once again play this noise.
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SIREN BLARES
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Yes, that is the Traitor siren,
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and it means a second Traitor
has been caught.
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Linda's curtain call
has finally come.
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Coming up, the brilliantjo Brand,
josh Widdicombe
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and Series 2 Faithful-turned-Traitor
Miles are here
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to discuss everything
from tonight's episode.
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We'll get an exclusive look at
Fozia and Linda's first meeting
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after Fozia was murdered
in plain sight.
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Plus, they'll be joining us in
the Traitors basement to dish all
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on the game play and the gossip
from their time on the show.
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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Welcome! Thank you. josh, jo
and Miles, welcome to Uncloaked.
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Thank you very much for joining us.
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We've got a lot to talk about.
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We've got the mad mission
where everyone had to rescue
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their fellow players from coffins...
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Yeah. ..and we discovered
who lost the Death Match
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and a whole host of suspicions
being fired left, right and centre.
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It's so good to have you here.
And, Miles, welcome back.
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Thank you for having me.
So good to see you back.
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How has it been as a spectator
this year?
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It's been nice.
It's been good to watch.
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But, obviously, just when you think
you know it all, then you don't.
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So, twists and turns,
keeps you on your feet.
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So many twists and turns -
especially this week,
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it feels like everything's gone up
another gear... Yeah.
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...on this episode. josh andjo, do
you have favourite players so far?
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Minah. I love Minah. Yes.
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I love the narrative of a Traitor
going all the way through.
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I don't like people that get
made Traitors halfway through it.
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Don't mind me, just sat here!
LAUGHTER
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Why don't you like
recruited Traitors?
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It's like... You know when
your friend gets into something
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that they haven't previously been
into... Right. ..and you think,
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"I don't believe..." Yeah.
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"You haven't supported Man U all
your life! You've just started now!"
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I feel compelled to support
the elderly contingent. Aw!
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No, I do. So, Linda and the vicar.
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Yes. Linda and Lisa,
fantastic players.
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I am... I'm going to say...
I don't normally, you know, say,
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"This is my favourite person," or,
"|'m annoyed this person's gone,"
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but I am gutted that Linda has gone.
That's the thing.
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When you watch The Traitors,
knowing that you're coming on this,
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the whole premise of it changes to,
"Who do I want to want to meet?"
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LAUGHTER
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So I was delighted when Linda went,
cos I'm like,
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"What a thrill this is going to be!"
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Well, before we get to the brilliant
Linda and Fozia, we should talk
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about that ending, as we were on the
verge of a potential recruitment...
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Can't we just bring out
Linda and Fozia?
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No, josh, we need to start
with the ending!
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There was a potential recruitment -
it's very exciting!
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And here's where we left things.
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MINAH: Anyone coming in is going to
have trust issues with me.
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But we need to work together.
Ancl I think I can gain their trust.
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My gut's telling me Charlotte
will be a strong Traitor.
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But then...will she accept?
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Now, I want an answer
from all of you on this.
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Do we think Charlotte will accept?
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Obviously, it's an ultimatum.
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You know, it's either
become a Traitor
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or die a Faithful, essentially.
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Do you think that she will have such
strongly held Faithful principles
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that she will happily be murdered?
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No! No! Or do you think she...?
I think she'll go.
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I think she'll convert.
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I don't know why you would ever
turn it down.
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Being a Traitor's the best bit,
right?
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Totally disagree.
What?! Really?
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Yeah, I wouldn't want to be
a Traitor.
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Oh, it's the best part! Oh, J0!
That's what a Traitor would say.
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ED LAUGHS
Yeah.
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So you must be a Traitor!
Exactly.
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No, but overhearing things like,
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"|'m really upset that
I can't kill someone tonight,"
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I'm kind of like, "OK!"
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I mean, I know
it's not proper killing.
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Do you have to get in that
headspace, though, when you're like,
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"We're going to go and
murder someone tonight"?
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To be honest, I was very much like,
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"just be Faithful, Faithful,
Faithful until I get to the Turret
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"and the cloak is on." Then
that's when you become the Traitor.
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I think when you start
merging the two
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is when you start tripping up.
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We've obviously lost Linda, but it
looks like we might have Charlotte
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as a new Traitor. Do we think
she'll make a good Traitor, Miles?
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Yes, I do, but the only thing
I worry about for Minah
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is she might end up going solo
and turning the tables round.
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If I'd been Minah, I probably
would've gone for Leanne.
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I'd have gone Leanne.
I feel like...Leanne
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kind of gives me that loyalty.
Yes.
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Even though she's got a bit of heat
on her, I do think she probably
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would have been my choice.
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I think she'll be too nervous
myself. Mm-hm.
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I think she'll get spooked and start
speaking in an Albanian accent...
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LAUGHTER
..or something like that.
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Ancl she'll just give herself away,
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cos I think it is quite hard
not to give yourself away
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by just doing a little bit too much.
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I think also, when you're recruited,
you never know why you're recruited.
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So I think that might play
on her mind a bit. I don't know
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if she thinks she's going to be
like a lamb to the slaughter.
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Now, once again, coffins were
featured in a Traitors mission,
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and it also required a bit of
foreknowledge around Roman numerals.
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LAUGHTER
Let's remind ourselves about that.
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Guys! Yeah, use these.
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There's another one there.
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Guys, this is seven!
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Oh, no, I'm so sorry!
Oh, my God!
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I read "VI I "
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as "VIII".
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What's number eight
in Roman numerals?! VIII!
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Are there definitely eight suns?
Do you want to check again?
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Oh, my God!
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VIII!
Guys, guys, guys, guys! Where?!
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VIII!
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VIII. Is it this one?
Oh!
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The state of the education system!
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What do they teach them in history
these clays?
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Oh, my word!
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How do we feel like they performed
in that task, jo?
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Obviously, there was...
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You know, they had to find everyone
in the coffins.
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Do you think...Do you think they
did well?
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A bit more camaraderie
than we've seen so far.
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Yeah, cos there's been
a lot more sort of jostling
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and a lot more kind of...aggression,
which I do quite like.
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So, yes, I suppose they did do
quite a lot better,
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and it didn't seem to be that
anyone was trying to hold them back
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or sabotage it. Yeah, Jo's right,
because I think the only aim
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was finding the people and
working out who had been murdered.
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Yeah. There was money to be won, but
there were no Shields to be won.
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Do you think there were moments
within that mission
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they could have used to work out
who the Traitors were?
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Yeah, I think...
But sometimes, obviously,
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they take the wrong nuggets,
don't they? And they run with it.
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Yeah. But at the same time,
I'd just say...
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You know, you're not just trying
to earn money,
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you're also trying to work out
where the Traitors
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may have dropped the ball.
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That's when emotions go a bit higher
than normal.
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Now, they were definitely looking
for a Traitor in one of the coffins
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because, despite
working well together,
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they did have some suspicions
that they wanted to pin on someone.
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And that person was Alexander.
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Let's have a little look.
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So let's say I started.
I didn't, but let's say I did.
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I would say to any... Who started?
Yeah, so who did?
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Yeah, just exactly how it happened.
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So why didn't he just describe
exactly what had happened?
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Something didn't feel right.
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At the end of that first round,
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the key thing is Anna was left
with the life card.
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Alexander, three of you are alive
and one's been murdered.
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Anna and me are alive.
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I do not know of the final two
because I left. No, I know.
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We need your clue.
We need your clue? Yes.
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So, if you have any more questions,
let me know.
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I felt so bad for him.
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I'd seen it and I still got confused
what he was saying.
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I was like...
ED LAUGHS
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Yeah, I don't know what
he was talking about either.
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Like, it was so confusing...
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So would you have been suspicious
of that, if you were there? Yeah.
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That's your moment to say, "Look,
guys, this is what's happened..."
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Yeah. "..and I'm really...
Like, I'm innocent
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"because I went through
this experience."
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But he was very, like,
almost calculating
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about what he was saying.
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Like, "This could have happened,
but it didn't happen."
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And as soon as you put that little
bit of doubt in people's minds,
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because they're already thinking
that a Traitor's dropped the ball,
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they're going to home in on you.
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Now, of course, the mission revealed
the fact that Fozia was the person
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who was sadly murdered
in the Death Match.
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It feels like a real shame.
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Do you feel like she could have been
a good Faithful, jo?
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Oh, yeah, absolutely.
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Ancl also kind of an interesting,
really interesting character. Yeah.
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I thought her exit was superb,
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when she was shouting after Linda,
"You're next.
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"You're going tomorrow.
I knew it, Linda!"
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Yeah. So brilliant.
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Ancl I thought, "Gah, I'd hate to be
stuck in a room with those two."
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And here we are!
LAUGHTER
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Now, Leon was obviously very happy
to not be murdered,
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we saw at the end of
the Death Match.
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I wouldn't necessarily,
if I was in a Death Match
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against one other person
and I turned over the life card,
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go, "Yes!" and stand up
from the table.
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But he was very relieved
and very happy.
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But then he started to seem
to take it personally.
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Is that difficult, Miles?
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Is it difficult separating
your genuine emotions
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from the game play? Yeah.
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And he kind of mentions,
doesn't he, that, you know,
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"I need to think about myself,
why I'm here"?
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Yeah. And you do get jaded
by the people that you've met,
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the kind of experience
you're going through.
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And, obviously, you know,
he finds out that she's a Faithful
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at the same time.
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So he's like, "|t's bittersweet
that I'm safe,
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"but I'm gutted that you're going."
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Now, we should talk about
that explosive round table,
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because it seemed like we had a bit
of a throwback to last series.
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I'm sorry, Minah, I have to
discuss you today. Yeah. OK?
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I'm being told to look for a sign
that someone picked me, OK?
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I know somebody picked me yesterday.
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Ancl you handed me your glass of wine
last night.
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You asked me to bring your drink
to the billiard room.
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I did not hand it to you.
It was on the table.
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I said to you, "Keep an eye
on my drink."
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We were stood there, and I said,
"|f you go to the next room,
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"please can you keep my drink
with you and I'll find you?"
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You said, "OK, sound."
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I remember it so clearly.
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I swear to God,
I'm actually gutted that this is...
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Now I'm getting framed via a drink.
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I'm a Faithful. I didn't mark you.
I didn't choose you.
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I did not hand you my drink.
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Miles, this is all your fault!
Yeah.
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Fizzy rose...
How does that feel, to know
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that the shadow of fizzy rose-gate
hangs over the castle?
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I'm honoured, guys. I'm honoured,
you know, to leave my stamp.
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No, I mean, the thing is,
you cling on to the things
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that they think they know. Yeah.
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And that's the whole point of...why
the show is so amazing to watch,
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because you don't know anything,
you know?
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But, you know, I'm glad I left
my little stamp
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on the fizzy rose train.
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Do you have a problem giving
people drinks since?
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No. Do you know what? I actually
receive a lot of drinks now.
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Do you?
Yeah - fizzy rose on tap!
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THEY LAUGH
So it's perfect.
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I'm living my best life.
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THEY LAUGH
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I think it's now time to bring
in our murdered and banished players
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into our castle basement.
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But just before we do,
here's the exclusive moment
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where Fozia and Linda find out
a few secrets
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some of the Faithfuls
have been hiding.
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FOZIA LAUGHS
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Oh, Linda!
It's good to see you.
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THEY LAUGH
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I'm so happy to see you.
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I was looking forward
to seeing a few of the others,
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but I was waiting for a slippery
snake to come through that door!
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You're not that...like an evil
Traitor, if you know what I mean.
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No, I know! Does that make sense?
Yeah? I'm not evil! You're not!
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I didn't want anybody to hate me.
259
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I was going, "Oh, my God,
they're all going to hate me now!"
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Looks like we've got something
to read.
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We've got a scroll here. Oh, Lord.
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I don't know what this is about.
Oh, not more intrigue!
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That's right.
Are you ready? Yeah, I am.
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Like, I don't even know
what's in this.
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No, neither do I! All right.
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"Charlotte is born
and bred in London..."
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Dot, clot, clot, clot.
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"...her Welsh accent is fake."
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Are you serious?!
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I don't know what
that's going to get her.
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Neither do I!
What if somebody finds out?
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OK, Linda. Round 2.
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"Leanne isn't a nail technician..."
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OK. What is she?
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Ooh! "...she's really
an army officer."
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What?!
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WOW!
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Oh! Well, now I understand
why she's so...
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Oh, because she's like that. She IS
like that. She's really strong.
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Yeah, yeah.
Oh, my goodness! Wow!
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I cannot believe it! She's going to
really fight her corner, then.
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Oh, Fozia, it was great to catch up
and chat the game
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and work out what was going on.
Me too.
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It was amazing. I've loved it,
I've loved it. Brilliant.
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Thank you, Linda. Hey, high five.
It's been a pleasure.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And they're here with us now -
please welcome Linda and Fozia!
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CHEERING
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Hi!
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Such a joy to have you both here.
Thank you. Loved those reactions.
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Fozia, your reaction to Charlotte's
Welsh accent was perfect, I think!
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"Well, I don't know what that's
going to get her!" Well, yeah.
293
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I think I think her aim with it
was to seem more trustworthy.
294
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Do you think that's worked?
That apparently was her aim.
295
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And, actually, I really admired her
because I thought,
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"How the hell did she keep that up
all the time?"
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00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,415
Yeah. But you were a bit more
shocked by Leanne, Fozia. Yes.
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Because, you know,
with the nail technician,
299
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you think Barbie,
the vibe she was giving.
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00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,975
Ancl then, what, an Army soldier?
Yeah. Wow!
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But I get it now because of the way,
when we had that other challenge,
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when they were putting the coins in,
and the way she ran. Yeah.
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00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,975
Ancl she was so fit. Machine.
Machine, superwoman. Totally.
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Yeah. And she also, she had a
gun as well, didn't she? That was...
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THEY LAUGH
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MILES: GI Jane!
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She was constantly in camo.
She arrived in a Apache helicopter!
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I also absolutely loved
your reaction, Fozia,
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to Linda being the one
to walk into the room.
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And I think there was so much
behind that of, you'd said,
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"You're next, Linda." Loved it!
"You're definitely going."
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Did that feel so gratifying
when you were correct?
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Yes, 100%.
314
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I actually didn't want to see
anybody else but Linda.
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If I had lasted one more episode,
316
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we would have all banished Linda...
Well, they did anyway.
317
00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,775
It didn't make any... But I would
have contributed towards that.
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Have you kissed and made up?
319
00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,135
Definitely. Aw, good.
Not yet, not yet. Well, I...
320
00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,415
Maybe after today.
Let's see how this goes.
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JOSH: Ed, does this remind you of
what it's going to be like backstage
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at the Oasis reunion?
LAUGHTER
323
00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,815
These guys aren't going to make it
through eight nights
324
00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,695
at Wembley Stadium!
325
00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:25,975
It was truly fantastic.
326
00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,855
I mean, Linda, I don't know
if you've been watching
327
00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,055
any of Uncloaked, but we absolutely
love you on this show.
328
00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,415
And, I mean, you've turned into
a bit of an icon.
329
00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:34,975
How does that feel?
330
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A bit strange, because I thought
I came over really stupid!
331
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I thought... And do you know what?
332
00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,015
Actually, when I originally applied
for the show,
333
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I applied because I thought,
"|'m a really good liar.
334
00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,455
"I've got away with things
in my life, really good things."
335
00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,495
So to my credit... If you could run
us through them, that'd be ideal.
336
00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,735
Yeah, please.
LAUGHTER
337
00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,935
But when you get there,
it's like I metamorphosed
338
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into something else
via the round table.
339
00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,815
I was like, "Oh, I'm not
going to say anything.
340
00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,055
"Oh, don't say anything."
341
00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,175
But I think that was because
Jake picked me out on the first clay.
342
00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,135
Ancl I thought, "I haven't even
opened my mouth yet
343
00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,295
"and I've already been picked out
as a Traitor."
344
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So, that impacted your game plan
going forward?
345
00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,935
I think it did, because it made me
worry about saying anything
346
00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,135
after that, because everything
I said was twisted.
347
00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,335
Did anyone in the castle ask you
to sing at any point?
348
00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,255
They did, but I don't do it
any more. I'm retired now.
349
00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,615
JO: Can't you just...one line for
us?
350
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Go on, Linda!
I will do one line.
351
00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,775
For my colleagues...
I thought you'd started then!
352
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LAUGHTER, CROSSTALK
353
00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,215
My colleagues who I worked with
in the Netherlands,
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00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:41,855
cos I lived in the Netherlands
34 years
355
00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:43,415
and I worked in the opera there...
356
00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,375
JOSH: You should have clone
the accent, like the Welsh accent!
357
00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,175
"Linda's not really from
the Netherlands!"
358
00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,055
MILES: She's already got enough
on her plate as it is, you know.
359
00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,135
I couldn't have kept that up.
360
00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,575
And I used to go around the theatre
doing this line,
361
00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,615
and they were always
taking the mickey out of me
362
00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,575
for doing this line.
So I used to do...
363
00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,455
SHE SINGS OPERATICALLY: # Oh, my God
Oh, my God! #
364
00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,495
Oh, wow!
We believe you now.
365
00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,015
That's exactly what you would do
at every breakfast in the castle.
366
00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,095
LAUGHTER
367
00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,775
That would have been
more believable, probably.
368
00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,215
But like you said to me about
369
00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,215
you still want to be liked as a
Traitor -
370
00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,935
I think that's something
I struggled with at the same time.
371
00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,095
Absolutely. You're doing all this,
372
00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:21,575
but you still want to be liked
by everybody
373
00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,455
cos you don't want to
hurt anyone's feelings almost.
374
00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,135
JOSH: Yeah, and I think
you managed that, Linda.
375
00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,695
It was so hard. I think
you definitely managed that.
376
00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,335
Some people do fail with that.
LAUGHTER
377
00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,615
jO: Fozia, can I ask you -
what happened
378
00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,055
after you got off the train?
379
00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,495
Obviously, I was hanging in
the cages, wasn't I?
380
00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,175
What, for like a week?
Waiting, waiting...
381
00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,255
No food or water, nothing.
382
00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,695
Did you find it hard coming back in
when everything's been established?
383
00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,535
100%. Because you know people
have formed their cliques. Yeah.
384
00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,375
You've got to then go back
and try and prove yourself,
385
00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,295
build the friendships.
Yeah.
386
00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,495
Ancl I knew I would have had a target
on my back
387
00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,975
because they would have thought,
"Ooh, two people back in -
388
00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,775
"one of them's bound to be
a Traitor."
389
00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,495
I thought you were
an absolute master at that,
390
00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,775
establishing yourself in the game
again straight away,
391
00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,175
because you were
straight out of the cage
392
00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,295
and straight to the round table.
I was. Ancl I guess that was
393
00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:12,575
because, when I got out the cage,
394
00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,255
being the first to come out
of the cage,
395
00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,615
I felt, "Ooh, I've won them over.
I've built their trust already.
396
00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,055
"Right, now I just go for it."
397
00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,015
When you left the train, did you...?
398
00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,335
Cos part of me,
when that was going on... Yeah.
399
00:17:25,360 --> 00:17:27,455
I actually texted Ed this
when I was watching it.
400
00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,175
I was like, "I hate awkwardness
so much.
401
00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,055
"|'d have been off the train
in a heartbeat,
402
00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:33,375
"like, just to stop it."
403
00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,375
But when you left the train,
was there part of you thinking,
404
00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,215
"There'll be a way back,
and I'll look great
405
00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,335
"cos I've already left the train"?
Yeah. Were you thinking that?
406
00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:44,215
So, it was a strategic move,
not a foolish one. Yeah?
407
00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,615
So when I got off, there was
a part of me thinking,
408
00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,535
"You haven't been banished or
murdered, you're bound to come back.
409
00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,055
"And you'll come back with a twist."
410
00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,455
Ancl I thought, "How easy
was that challenge?"
411
00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,335
I just skipped off the train,
didn't I?
412
00:17:56,360 --> 00:17:59,015
No physical effort whatsoever!
LAUGHTER
413
00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,135
Did you have any regrets
at the time, though?
414
00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,695
Did you ever think, "Ugh!"?
A little bit. Yeah.
415
00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,655
You know, that naturally comes,
doesn't it? Cos you were the first.
416
00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,975
Cos I was the first. Yeah.
But it was clone.
417
00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,055
I thought, "You know what,
I'll take one for the team,
418
00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:12,815
"make myself look good."
Yeah.
419
00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:14,695
"And let's see what happens
after that."
420
00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,175
I think you did it in exactly
the right way.
421
00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,615
If you were going to be
one of the people off the train,
422
00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,175
you've got to go first and then
you have that in your back pocket.
423
00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:22,895
Exactly.
JO: Linda, I'm interested -
424
00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,975
what did you make of Fozia
when you first met her?
425
00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,615
I thought she was quite a character.
426
00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:33,415
Ancl I understood that
the two newbies who came in
427
00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,695
for that first night
on the round table
428
00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,735
weren't supposed to make
any comments on the play.
429
00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,455
But madam here,
she absolutely spoke up,
430
00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,375
and I thought, "What is she doing?
She's not supposed to be speaking!"
431
00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:53,135
So I thought, "Wow, she's got
a really strong character."
432
00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,215
Ancl she was right in there.
433
00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,415
Yeah, absolutely. Even though
I held back a little bit.
434
00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,335
Oh, my God! Did you?
Yeah. Wow!
435
00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:01,735
I only gave sort of
five minutes' worth,
436
00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,335
and then I thought,
"I better go easy now.
437
00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:05,655
"|t's my first clay back."
That wasn't the rule, though!
438
00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,295
You were allowed to speak at
the round table, weren't you?
439
00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:08,695
We could if we wanted to.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
440
00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,695
You must have felt at a disadvantage
because you'd missed all that time.
441
00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,935
Of course. I'd do the same as you -
just get in as much as you can
442
00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,895
before someone puts a pillow over
your face. You know what I mean?
443
00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,935
I think it's really important
to establish yourself,
444
00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,215
which is what you did.
445
00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,135
Linda, I do want to bring you back
to that moment with Jake -
446
00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,215
the head turn.
447
00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,375
Go on. Do it for us now, Linda.
448
00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,695
LAUGHTER
Do you know... Were you aware...?
449
00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,615
Were you aware of what you were
doing when Claudia said "Traitors"?
450
00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,055
Absolutely not. No. Because I'd just
been tapped on the shoulder
451
00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,815
as a Traitor,
and my head was like...
452
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,735
Because just before she tapped me,
I was going, "Don't tap me.
453
00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,895
"Please don't. Please don't. I don't
want to be a Traitor any more.
454
00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,895
"No, no. Please don't."
Ancl then she did,
455
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,015
and I thought, "Oh, my God,
now I'm a Traitor!"
456
00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,295
Ancl my head was, like, full.
It was going...
457
00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,695
I didn't even hear words.
I just didn't hear words.
458
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,175
Ancl I happened to turn my head.
Ancl he saw me on that word. Yeah.
459
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:08,295
When the blindfolds are on, is there
any part of you that's just like,
460
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,855
"|'m just going to tap
the next person"?
461
00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,175
That's a good idea, isn't it?
462
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,775
Just when Claudia's the other side,
just go... Yeah!
463
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,855
And then that person turns up
to the Turret later,
464
00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,175
like, "What are you doing here?!"
LAUGHTER
465
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:24,735
"Claudia tapped me!"
466
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:30,135
Now, Linda, let's remind ourselves
of your reveal at the round table.
467
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,495
Guys, I've had
the most amazing time.
468
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,975
This has been the pinnacle
of my life.
469
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,055
Ancl to experience this at my age
and get this far,
470
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,775
I've had a whale of a time,
so thanks for it.
471
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,375
I am a...
472
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,815
...Traitor!
CHEERING
473
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,415
Wow - look at that reaction!
474
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,495
JAKE: Day one! Day one! Come on!
475
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,215
Come on! Jake. Look at Jake.
476
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,295
I love it. I love Jake's reaction.
477
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,375
I love that I think you're the first
Traitor to ever run out of the room.
478
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:10,775
Exactly! Exactly.
479
00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,495
Can I give you full credit
for the length of your fake, "F..."?
480
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:15,975
ALL LAUGH
481
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,055
"I am a F... Traitor!"
482
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,255
Loved it, loved it.
I loved doing that.
483
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,215
How did you feel when you say,
"|'m a Traitor,"
484
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:24,615
and then you hear cheering?
485
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,855
Because I, when it happened to me,
I was a bit like,
486
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,575
"Oh, bye, then... Bye, then, guys."
487
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,415
Oh, I did... I knew that they...
Linda was ready to go.
488
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,095
I was...| was OK,
I was OK with that.
489
00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:34,975
I think, "Oh, they finally
got a Traitor - good for them."
490
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,615
Because I was like,
"We're all still friends, right?
491
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:37,815
"We're all still friends?" Exactly.
492
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,575
You know, you have that moment
where you feel like,
493
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,895
"Oh, they've got a Traitor, but..."
You know, you kind of pop off.
494
00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,495
Yeah, but they were such
a great group, I knew that when...
495
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,055
And I've made some really good
friendships in that...in that group.
496
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,815
So, I mean, I knew it
would be all right, you know.
497
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,575
Could you feel that moment coming?
It didn't...?
498
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,895
It wasn't a surprise when you got
banished? No, absolutely not.
499
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,535
When I spoke to Minah
at the breakfast table that morning,
500
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,535
because we were first in,
and that was the first time
501
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,655
we'd actually been alone
and first in, I said to her,
502
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,055
"Look, if it's going my way,
vote for me because I think
503
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,215
"it's going to go my way
and I'm going to go anyway.
504
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,095
"So, just vote for me." And I said,
"Try and go to the end.
505
00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:13,775
"Go to the end." But that's such
a lovely moment.
506
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,735
But that was your chance
to throw her under the bus.
507
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,415
OTHERS LAUGH
I think we missed out
508
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:19,855
on Fozia being a Traitor.
509
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,295
It's hindsight, isn't it? Hindsight.
510
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,335
I know, I'm too nice.
511
00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:25,975
Fozia, would you have loved
to be a Traitor?
512
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,055
I think, probably, at that stage,
yes.
513
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,775
Once I'd banished Linda...
514
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,855
...and I got the offer, then...
You might... Yeah.
515
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,015
Yeah, you might have been recruited.
Who knows? Who knows?
516
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,575
Now, Linda, another thing
that raised people's suspicions
517
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:45,095
in the castle was your reaction
to Livi being murdered.
518
00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:46,815
How did that moment come about?
519
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,295
You made that decision to be...to be
upset about her going.
520
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,095
I was upset. I was genuinely upset
because, actually, Livi
521
00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:55,255
and I came in together.
522
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,655
We were in the first car together,
523
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,735
and I'd really got to know her
really, really well.
524
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,455
And I felt like she was sort of like
my daughter. And I was really
525
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,735
looking after her in there.
FOZIA MOUTHS
526
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,615
No, that's not a lie.
527
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,415
And I really got on well with her,
and I was really shocked
528
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,735
because I'm sure, at some point,
she said to me,
529
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,375
"|'m sure you're a Faithful."
530
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,695
So, I thought, "Oh, Livi
is on my side. I've got Livi."
531
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:25,095
And then, when Leanne told me
that Liv had intimated
532
00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:29,295
that I was a Traitor,
I was completely blown away...
533
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,135
Yeah. ..because I thought, "I just
can't believe that she said that."
534
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,655
I think what was...what was
interesting from a viewer
535
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,975
perspective was they're all saying
that you guys weren't close,
536
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,495
so why were you that upset?
537
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,535
But we'd seen in, I think,
a previous episode,
538
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,135
you comforting her.
Yeah, absolutely.
539
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,615
But no-one else was around. No.
Exactly.
540
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,935
So, that was a sort of friendship
that they weren't aware of. Yeah.
541
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,175
And do you know what?
I also thought,
542
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,335
"ls Leanne winding me up
and not telling me the truth?"
543
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:54,575
Yeah. That's what I thought.
544
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,855
I thought, "Maybe she's just winding
me up and telling me that
545
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,135
"to put it out there
with other people."
546
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,815
So, Fozia, we need to talk
about the Death Match game. OK.
547
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,455
So dramatic.
548
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,135
What was going through your mind
when you got into the car,
549
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,415
first of all, expecting to be taken
back to your individual lodgings,
550
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,855
and then you end up
driving to that spooky card game?
551
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,455
I think I was a bit more surprised
seeing the three people
552
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:22,095
who drove by, too, thinking,
"Oh, why these three?"
553
00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:23,855
So, there's all that going on
in your head,
554
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,815
and it's pretty spooky as well.
555
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,015
Talk us through that final moment,
when it was just you and Leon
556
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,655
turning those cards over. Oh.
557
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,335
It was a game of chance,
wasn't it, really?
558
00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:36,375
I think... I wasn't ready to go,
put it that way.
559
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,575
But that move with Anna, with...
Where she...she took the card,
560
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,095
and you could have taken it
straight back.
561
00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:44,015
I could have,
but eagle-eye next door to me...
562
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,895
Yeah. ..Alexander,
I couldn't have got it past him.
563
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,615
Yeah, he would have spotted that,
I think. So, I thought,
564
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:49,855
"You know what? Let her go." Yeah.
565
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,575
Ancl then, just sit there
and enjoy the game.
566
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,815
I just needed, like, a cigar.
567
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,255
Sit back. Bit of brandy.
Like the Godfather. Yeah.
568
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,255
But I would have saved the drink
and chucked it on Linda
569
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,975
when I saw her. Wow.
570
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,375
Well, I think
this is a perfect time, Fozia,
571
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,015
to revisit your reaction
572
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,855
to meeting the Traitors
face-to-face.
573
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,735
What is going on here?
574
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,775
Fozia... Yeah?
575
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,775
...by order of the Traitors,
you've been murdered.
576
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,375
Thank you.
577
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,255
That was too nice.
578
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,055
Linda, I knew it was you!
579
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,295
You're not going to last.
580
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,815
Get over it. Linda,
get a good night's sleep tonight
581
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,415
because you're going next.
582
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,615
I mean, it was perfect.
583
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,975
Both of you. Absolutely amazing.
Loved it.
584
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,215
"You're not going to last, Linda."
585
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,815
And then, muttering
from under your hood, "Get over it."
586
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,415
"Get over it." Argh!
587
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:46,815
So funny.
JOSH: "Get over it."
588
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,655
I was laughing, walking away
because I thought her reaction
589
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,335
was so funny. "You're going to go
tomorrow."
590
00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:55,335
But that moment where
they brought their hoods back
591
00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:58,215
I thought it was so funny
because I thought we'd get
592
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,695
a bit more shock from you
because of Minah.
593
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,535
But you were so happy that it was
Linda... Yeah.
594
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,855
...that you almost went, "Yeah,
all right, Minah, move out the way.
595
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,095
"I want to have a go at Linda
here." Step aside.
596
00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:11,415
Yeah, I had a few suspicions
with Minah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
597
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,335
But probably not enough
to have said anything throughout.
598
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:17,535
Actually, I said to Fozia
afterwards, "Did you think
599
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,055
"we were going to recruit you
as a Traitor?" That's interesting.
600
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,135
And she said, "Yeah, I did think
that." Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah.
601
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,935
I don't know why I didn't think
that was the end for me.
602
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,815
Because her face looked like, "Oh,
what are you going to say to me?"
603
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,255
Yeah. Yeah, cos you didn't know
604
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,975
what was going to happen, really,
did you? No, exactly.
605
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,815
I wasn't expecting the Traitors
to personally hand-deliver...
606
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,415
Yeah, that's a service. ..the note.
Yes. That's a service.
607
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,215
I thought, "Well, they owed me
that much," so thank you for that.
608
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,535
Ancl then, I thought, "Hang on,
there could be another twist."
609
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,855
Yeah. JOSH: I thought that.
So, there was a part of me
610
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,615
that did think I might be recruited.
611
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,575
So, we absolutely loved your rivalry
during your time in the castle.
612
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,455
I don't think you saw enough of it,
to be fair. Exactly, no.
613
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,295
I know, we wanted more.
We did want more of it.
614
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,615
We weren't in there long enough.
Yeah. What was it that initially
615
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,175
raised your suspicions about Linda?
616
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,615
I just knew, deep down, there's
two gangsta grannies in this,
617
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,815
and one of them is definitely
a Traitor.
618
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,575
I don't know. And it was the fact
that she barely spoke
619
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,975
around the round table,
voting randomly.
620
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,975
But that's me!
You did a lot of that.
621
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,455
I vote... Ask my family -
I'm random.
622
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,135
I'm totally random.
623
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,135
I mean, I moved to the Netherlands
624
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,455
with a five-year-old,
not knowing anybody, and...
625
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,455
OK, but we don't know that.
626
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,815
Well, no, YOU don't know that,
but...
627
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,895
It would have been weird to bring it
up at the round table, wouldn't it?
628
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,935
"|'m random." I'm pretty random.
That's me. That's my personality.
629
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,815
I think it'd be quite nice if they
had something at the round table
630
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,095
where you're allowed one
phone call to a family, asking...
631
00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:39,215
Or to a friend.
632
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,735
.."ls Linda really like this?" Yeah.
"Or is she just saying that?"
633
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,575
"Welsh? She's Welsh?!"
634
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,655
Fozia, Linda, thank you so much
for joining me on Uncloaked.
635
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:49,975
You've been absolutely brilliant.
636
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,135
A massive round of applause
for Fozia and Linda.
637
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,735
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
638
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,735
And a massive thanks to our guests,
josh, jo and Miles.
639
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,495
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
Well clone. Well clone. Well clone.
640
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,495
The chat now continues
on BBC Sounds,
641
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,735
where I will put Linda and Fozia
through their paces in a series
642
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,895
of challenges to see who really
comes out on top in this rivalry.
643
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,855
It's all in the bonus episode
of Uncloaked,
644
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,935
in your BBC Sounds app
right now.
645
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,775
You can listen whilst cleaning
your car, going for a jog,
646
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,815
or to drown out the drudgery
of your morning commute.
647
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,255
And if you've watched someone
get buried alive and thought,
648
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,735
"That looks like a laugh,"
then perhaps you've got
649
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,655
what it takes to be a Traitor
in the next series.
650
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,615
Just head to bbc.co.uk/takepart
to apply.
651
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,855
We'll be back again
right after episode eight
652
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,855
to gossip all things Traitors.
653
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,255
I'm Ed Gamble. Stay Faithful.
654
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,295
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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