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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:03,495 Hello and welcome back to The Traitors: Uncloaked, 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:07,175 the official visualised podcast hosted by me, Ed Gamble. 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,055 Once again, I have to tell you that this show 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:10,775 is riddled with spoilers. 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,135 If you haven't seen Episode 7, then please get yourself over to iPlayer 6 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,095 and catch up immediately. 7 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,975 And I am delighted to say that we can once again play this noise. 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,615 SIREN BLARES 9 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,415 Yes, that is the Traitor siren, 10 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,535 and it means a second Traitor has been caught. 11 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,095 Linda's curtain call has finally come. 12 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,255 Coming up, the brilliantjo Brand, josh Widdicombe 13 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,255 and Series 2 Faithful-turned-Traitor Miles are here 14 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,935 to discuss everything from tonight's episode. 15 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,855 We'll get an exclusive look at Fozia and Linda's first meeting 16 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,255 after Fozia was murdered in plain sight. 17 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,135 Plus, they'll be joining us in the Traitors basement to dish all 18 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:50,855 on the game play and the gossip from their time on the show. 19 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:52,535 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 20 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,255 Welcome! Thank you. josh, jo and Miles, welcome to Uncloaked. 21 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:00,815 Thank you very much for joining us. 22 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,575 We've got a lot to talk about. 23 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,695 We've got the mad mission where everyone had to rescue 24 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,655 their fellow players from coffins... 25 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,935 Yeah. ..and we discovered who lost the Death Match 26 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:13,175 and a whole host of suspicions being fired left, right and centre. 27 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,135 It's so good to have you here. And, Miles, welcome back. 28 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,295 Thank you for having me. So good to see you back. 29 00:01:18,320 --> 00:01:20,095 How has it been as a spectator this year? 30 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:21,255 It's been nice. It's been good to watch. 31 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,855 But, obviously, just when you think you know it all, then you don't. 32 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,015 So, twists and turns, keeps you on your feet. 33 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:28,775 So many twists and turns - especially this week, 34 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,455 it feels like everything's gone up another gear... Yeah. 35 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,495 ...on this episode. josh andjo, do you have favourite players so far? 36 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,335 Minah. I love Minah. Yes. 37 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:41,255 I love the narrative of a Traitor going all the way through. 38 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,615 I don't like people that get made Traitors halfway through it. 39 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,095 Don't mind me, just sat here! LAUGHTER 40 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,375 Why don't you like recruited Traitors? 41 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,935 It's like... You know when your friend gets into something 42 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,055 that they haven't previously been into... Right. ..and you think, 43 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:56,415 "I don't believe..." Yeah. 44 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,975 "You haven't supported Man U all your life! You've just started now!" 45 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,855 I feel compelled to support the elderly contingent. Aw! 46 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,055 No, I do. So, Linda and the vicar. 47 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,655 Yes. Linda and Lisa, fantastic players. 48 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,255 I am... I'm going to say... I don't normally, you know, say, 49 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,575 "This is my favourite person," or, "|'m annoyed this person's gone," 50 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,655 but I am gutted that Linda has gone. That's the thing. 51 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:24,295 When you watch The Traitors, knowing that you're coming on this, 52 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,495 the whole premise of it changes to, "Who do I want to want to meet?" 53 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,575 LAUGHTER 54 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,975 So I was delighted when Linda went, cos I'm like, 55 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,815 "What a thrill this is going to be!" 56 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,975 Well, before we get to the brilliant Linda and Fozia, we should talk 57 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,895 about that ending, as we were on the verge of a potential recruitment... 58 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:43,615 Can't we just bring out Linda and Fozia? 59 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:46,055 No, josh, we need to start with the ending! 60 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,335 There was a potential recruitment - it's very exciting! 61 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,295 And here's where we left things. 62 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,855 MINAH: Anyone coming in is going to have trust issues with me. 63 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:58,055 But we need to work together. Ancl I think I can gain their trust. 64 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,775 My gut's telling me Charlotte will be a strong Traitor. 65 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,415 But then...will she accept? 66 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,055 Now, I want an answer from all of you on this. 67 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,495 Do we think Charlotte will accept? 68 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,575 Obviously, it's an ultimatum. 69 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,095 You know, it's either become a Traitor 70 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,535 or die a Faithful, essentially. 71 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,415 Do you think that she will have such strongly held Faithful principles 72 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,295 that she will happily be murdered? 73 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:31,655 No! No! Or do you think she...? I think she'll go. 74 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:32,975 I think she'll convert. 75 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,655 I don't know why you would ever turn it down. 76 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,175 Being a Traitor's the best bit, right? 77 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,295 Totally disagree. What?! Really? 78 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:41,695 Yeah, I wouldn't want to be a Traitor. 79 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,135 Oh, it's the best part! Oh, J0! That's what a Traitor would say. 80 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,855 ED LAUGHS Yeah. 81 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:48,815 So you must be a Traitor! Exactly. 82 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,375 No, but overhearing things like, 83 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,695 "|'m really upset that I can't kill someone tonight," 84 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,095 I'm kind of like, "OK!" 85 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,375 I mean, I know it's not proper killing. 86 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,735 Do you have to get in that headspace, though, when you're like, 87 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:02,095 "We're going to go and murder someone tonight"? 88 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:03,455 To be honest, I was very much like, 89 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,095 "just be Faithful, Faithful, Faithful until I get to the Turret 90 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,895 "and the cloak is on." Then that's when you become the Traitor. 91 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,095 I think when you start merging the two 92 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:12,495 is when you start tripping up. 93 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,615 We've obviously lost Linda, but it looks like we might have Charlotte 94 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,535 as a new Traitor. Do we think she'll make a good Traitor, Miles? 95 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,175 Yes, I do, but the only thing I worry about for Minah 96 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:27,175 is she might end up going solo and turning the tables round. 97 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,055 If I'd been Minah, I probably would've gone for Leanne. 98 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,055 I'd have gone Leanne. I feel like...Leanne 99 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,215 kind of gives me that loyalty. Yes. 100 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,295 Even though she's got a bit of heat on her, I do think she probably 101 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:36,775 would have been my choice. 102 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,335 I think she'll be too nervous myself. Mm-hm. 103 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,055 I think she'll get spooked and start speaking in an Albanian accent... 104 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,375 LAUGHTER ..or something like that. 105 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,415 Ancl she'll just give herself away, 106 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,055 cos I think it is quite hard not to give yourself away 107 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,655 by just doing a little bit too much. 108 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,135 I think also, when you're recruited, you never know why you're recruited. 109 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,335 So I think that might play on her mind a bit. I don't know 110 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,495 if she thinks she's going to be like a lamb to the slaughter. 111 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,215 Now, once again, coffins were featured in a Traitors mission, 112 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,655 and it also required a bit of foreknowledge around Roman numerals. 113 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,415 LAUGHTER Let's remind ourselves about that. 114 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,815 Guys! Yeah, use these. 115 00:05:11,840 --> 00:05:13,335 There's another one there. 116 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,095 Guys, this is seven! 117 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,775 Oh, no, I'm so sorry! Oh, my God! 118 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,855 I read "VI I " 119 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,455 as "VIII". 120 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,775 What's number eight in Roman numerals?! VIII! 121 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,775 Are there definitely eight suns? Do you want to check again? 122 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,695 Oh, my God! 123 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,735 VIII! Guys, guys, guys, guys! Where?! 124 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,455 VIII! 125 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,775 VIII. Is it this one? Oh! 126 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,455 The state of the education system! 127 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,935 What do they teach them in history these clays? 128 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:51,975 Oh, my word! 129 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,375 How do we feel like they performed in that task, jo? 130 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:55,455 Obviously, there was... 131 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,255 You know, they had to find everyone in the coffins. 132 00:05:57,280 --> 00:05:58,495 Do you think...Do you think they did well? 133 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,255 A bit more camaraderie than we've seen so far. 134 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:03,935 Yeah, cos there's been a lot more sort of jostling 135 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:08,055 and a lot more kind of...aggression, which I do quite like. 136 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,015 So, yes, I suppose they did do quite a lot better, 137 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:16,015 and it didn't seem to be that anyone was trying to hold them back 138 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,215 or sabotage it. Yeah, Jo's right, because I think the only aim 139 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,535 was finding the people and working out who had been murdered. 140 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,775 Yeah. There was money to be won, but there were no Shields to be won. 141 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,855 Do you think there were moments within that mission 142 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:29,975 they could have used to work out who the Traitors were? 143 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,615 Yeah, I think... But sometimes, obviously, 144 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,975 they take the wrong nuggets, don't they? And they run with it. 145 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,735 Yeah. But at the same time, I'd just say... 146 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,415 You know, you're not just trying to earn money, 147 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,335 you're also trying to work out where the Traitors 148 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:40,455 may have dropped the ball. 149 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,855 That's when emotions go a bit higher than normal. 150 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,535 Now, they were definitely looking for a Traitor in one of the coffins 151 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,375 because, despite working well together, 152 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,455 they did have some suspicions that they wanted to pin on someone. 153 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,575 And that person was Alexander. 154 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:53,815 Let's have a little look. 155 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:56,375 So let's say I started. I didn't, but let's say I did. 156 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,615 I would say to any... Who started? Yeah, so who did? 157 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,935 Yeah, just exactly how it happened. 158 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,815 So why didn't he just describe exactly what had happened? 159 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:07,415 Something didn't feel right. 160 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:08,975 At the end of that first round, 161 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,415 the key thing is Anna was left with the life card. 162 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,695 Alexander, three of you are alive and one's been murdered. 163 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,175 Anna and me are alive. 164 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,415 I do not know of the final two because I left. No, I know. 165 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,055 We need your clue. We need your clue? Yes. 166 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,615 So, if you have any more questions, let me know. 167 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,055 I felt so bad for him. 168 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,655 I'd seen it and I still got confused what he was saying. 169 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,215 I was like... ED LAUGHS 170 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,815 Yeah, I don't know what he was talking about either. 171 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,455 Like, it was so confusing... 172 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,615 So would you have been suspicious of that, if you were there? Yeah. 173 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,615 That's your moment to say, "Look, guys, this is what's happened..." 174 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,775 Yeah. "..and I'm really... Like, I'm innocent 175 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,855 "because I went through this experience." 176 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:41,975 But he was very, like, almost calculating 177 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,495 about what he was saying. 178 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,135 Like, "This could have happened, but it didn't happen." 179 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,255 And as soon as you put that little bit of doubt in people's minds, 180 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,575 because they're already thinking that a Traitor's dropped the ball, 181 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,175 they're going to home in on you. 182 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:55,455 Now, of course, the mission revealed the fact that Fozia was the person 183 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,735 who was sadly murdered in the Death Match. 184 00:07:58,760 --> 00:07:59,975 It feels like a real shame. 185 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,495 Do you feel like she could have been a good Faithful, jo? 186 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:03,855 Oh, yeah, absolutely. 187 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:08,175 Ancl also kind of an interesting, really interesting character. Yeah. 188 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,935 I thought her exit was superb, 189 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,935 when she was shouting after Linda, "You're next. 190 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,215 "You're going tomorrow. I knew it, Linda!" 191 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:18,575 Yeah. So brilliant. 192 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,255 Ancl I thought, "Gah, I'd hate to be stuck in a room with those two." 193 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,375 And here we are! LAUGHTER 194 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,655 Now, Leon was obviously very happy to not be murdered, 195 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:29,975 we saw at the end of the Death Match. 196 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,935 I wouldn't necessarily, if I was in a Death Match 197 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,335 against one other person and I turned over the life card, 198 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,335 go, "Yes!" and stand up from the table. 199 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,575 But he was very relieved and very happy. 200 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,855 But then he started to seem to take it personally. 201 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:43,935 Is that difficult, Miles? 202 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,215 Is it difficult separating your genuine emotions 203 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:47,415 from the game play? Yeah. 204 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,175 And he kind of mentions, doesn't he, that, you know, 205 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:50,855 "I need to think about myself, why I'm here"? 206 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,895 Yeah. And you do get jaded by the people that you've met, 207 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,335 the kind of experience you're going through. 208 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,015 And, obviously, you know, he finds out that she's a Faithful 209 00:08:58,040 --> 00:08:59,255 at the same time. 210 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,455 So he's like, "|t's bittersweet that I'm safe, 211 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,815 "but I'm gutted that you're going." 212 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,855 Now, we should talk about that explosive round table, 213 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,855 because it seemed like we had a bit of a throwback to last series. 214 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,375 I'm sorry, Minah, I have to discuss you today. Yeah. OK? 215 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,175 I'm being told to look for a sign that someone picked me, OK? 216 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:18,975 I know somebody picked me yesterday. 217 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,575 Ancl you handed me your glass of wine last night. 218 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,215 You asked me to bring your drink to the billiard room. 219 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,455 I did not hand it to you. It was on the table. 220 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,575 I said to you, "Keep an eye on my drink." 221 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,015 We were stood there, and I said, "|f you go to the next room, 222 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,415 "please can you keep my drink with you and I'll find you?" 223 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:37,815 You said, "OK, sound." 224 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,135 I remember it so clearly. 225 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,615 I swear to God, I'm actually gutted that this is... 226 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,815 Now I'm getting framed via a drink. 227 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,695 I'm a Faithful. I didn't mark you. I didn't choose you. 228 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,015 I did not hand you my drink. 229 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,855 Miles, this is all your fault! Yeah. 230 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,775 Fizzy rose... How does that feel, to know 231 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,655 that the shadow of fizzy rose-gate hangs over the castle? 232 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:01,255 I'm honoured, guys. I'm honoured, you know, to leave my stamp. 233 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,375 No, I mean, the thing is, you cling on to the things 234 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:04,535 that they think they know. Yeah. 235 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:07,775 And that's the whole point of...why the show is so amazing to watch, 236 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,695 because you don't know anything, you know? 237 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,935 But, you know, I'm glad I left my little stamp 238 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,775 on the fizzy rose train. 239 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,655 Do you have a problem giving people drinks since? 240 00:10:16,680 --> 00:10:19,095 No. Do you know what? I actually receive a lot of drinks now. 241 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,775 Do you? Yeah - fizzy rose on tap! 242 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:23,015 THEY LAUGH So it's perfect. 243 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:24,735 I'm living my best life. 244 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:25,815 THEY LAUGH 245 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,895 I think it's now time to bring in our murdered and banished players 246 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:30,375 into our castle basement. 247 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,815 But just before we do, here's the exclusive moment 248 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,535 where Fozia and Linda find out a few secrets 249 00:10:35,560 --> 00:10:37,615 some of the Faithfuls have been hiding. 250 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,375 FOZIA LAUGHS 251 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,815 Oh, Linda! It's good to see you. 252 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,535 THEY LAUGH 253 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:51,695 I'm so happy to see you. 254 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,255 I was looking forward to seeing a few of the others, 255 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,815 but I was waiting for a slippery snake to come through that door! 256 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:03,815 You're not that...like an evil Traitor, if you know what I mean. 257 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,815 No, I know! Does that make sense? Yeah? I'm not evil! You're not! 258 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,535 I didn't want anybody to hate me. 259 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:11,135 I was going, "Oh, my God, they're all going to hate me now!" 260 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,415 Looks like we've got something to read. 261 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,135 We've got a scroll here. Oh, Lord. 262 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:17,255 I don't know what this is about. Oh, not more intrigue! 263 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:18,895 That's right. Are you ready? Yeah, I am. 264 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,095 Like, I don't even know what's in this. 265 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:21,895 No, neither do I! All right. 266 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,495 "Charlotte is born and bred in London..." 267 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:30,615 Dot, clot, clot, clot. 268 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,175 "...her Welsh accent is fake." 269 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:40,455 Are you serious?! 270 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,335 I don't know what that's going to get her. 271 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,695 Neither do I! What if somebody finds out? 272 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,135 OK, Linda. Round 2. 273 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,935 "Leanne isn't a nail technician..." 274 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,375 OK. What is she? 275 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:05,695 Ooh! "...she's really an army officer." 276 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,215 What?! 277 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:08,415 WOW! 278 00:12:09,560 --> 00:12:15,175 Oh! Well, now I understand why she's so... 279 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,175 Oh, because she's like that. She IS like that. She's really strong. 280 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,775 Yeah, yeah. Oh, my goodness! Wow! 281 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:25,135 I cannot believe it! She's going to really fight her corner, then. 282 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,855 Oh, Fozia, it was great to catch up and chat the game 283 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:29,855 and work out what was going on. Me too. 284 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,775 It was amazing. I've loved it, I've loved it. Brilliant. 285 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,695 Thank you, Linda. Hey, high five. It's been a pleasure. 286 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,015 Yeah, absolutely. 287 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,135 And they're here with us now - please welcome Linda and Fozia! 288 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,295 CHEERING 289 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:43,975 Hi! 290 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,535 Such a joy to have you both here. Thank you. Loved those reactions. 291 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:51,295 Fozia, your reaction to Charlotte's Welsh accent was perfect, I think! 292 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,895 "Well, I don't know what that's going to get her!" Well, yeah. 293 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,415 I think I think her aim with it was to seem more trustworthy. 294 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,055 Do you think that's worked? That apparently was her aim. 295 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,575 And, actually, I really admired her because I thought, 296 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,575 "How the hell did she keep that up all the time?" 297 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,415 Yeah. But you were a bit more shocked by Leanne, Fozia. Yes. 298 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,295 Because, you know, with the nail technician, 299 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,135 you think Barbie, the vibe she was giving. 300 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,975 Ancl then, what, an Army soldier? Yeah. Wow! 301 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,175 But I get it now because of the way, when we had that other challenge, 302 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:25,335 when they were putting the coins in, and the way she ran. Yeah. 303 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,975 Ancl she was so fit. Machine. Machine, superwoman. Totally. 304 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,655 Yeah. And she also, she had a gun as well, didn't she? That was... 305 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:33,495 THEY LAUGH 306 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,295 MILES: GI Jane! 307 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,255 She was constantly in camo. She arrived in a Apache helicopter! 308 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,215 I also absolutely loved your reaction, Fozia, 309 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,695 to Linda being the one to walk into the room. 310 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,615 And I think there was so much behind that of, you'd said, 311 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,975 "You're next, Linda." Loved it! "You're definitely going." 312 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,175 Did that feel so gratifying when you were correct? 313 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,135 Yes, 100%. 314 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,575 I actually didn't want to see anybody else but Linda. 315 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,895 If I had lasted one more episode, 316 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,215 we would have all banished Linda... Well, they did anyway. 317 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,775 It didn't make any... But I would have contributed towards that. 318 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,095 Have you kissed and made up? 319 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,135 Definitely. Aw, good. Not yet, not yet. Well, I... 320 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,415 Maybe after today. Let's see how this goes. 321 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,375 JOSH: Ed, does this remind you of what it's going to be like backstage 322 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,535 at the Oasis reunion? LAUGHTER 323 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,815 These guys aren't going to make it through eight nights 324 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,695 at Wembley Stadium! 325 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:25,975 It was truly fantastic. 326 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,855 I mean, Linda, I don't know if you've been watching 327 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,055 any of Uncloaked, but we absolutely love you on this show. 328 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,415 And, I mean, you've turned into a bit of an icon. 329 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:34,975 How does that feel? 330 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,215 A bit strange, because I thought I came over really stupid! 331 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,175 I thought... And do you know what? 332 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,015 Actually, when I originally applied for the show, 333 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,255 I applied because I thought, "|'m a really good liar. 334 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,455 "I've got away with things in my life, really good things." 335 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,495 So to my credit... If you could run us through them, that'd be ideal. 336 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,735 Yeah, please. LAUGHTER 337 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,935 But when you get there, it's like I metamorphosed 338 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:59,975 into something else via the round table. 339 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,815 I was like, "Oh, I'm not going to say anything. 340 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,055 "Oh, don't say anything." 341 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,175 But I think that was because Jake picked me out on the first clay. 342 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,135 Ancl I thought, "I haven't even opened my mouth yet 343 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,295 "and I've already been picked out as a Traitor." 344 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,575 So, that impacted your game plan going forward? 345 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,935 I think it did, because it made me worry about saying anything 346 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,135 after that, because everything I said was twisted. 347 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,335 Did anyone in the castle ask you to sing at any point? 348 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,255 They did, but I don't do it any more. I'm retired now. 349 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,615 JO: Can't you just...one line for us? 350 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,575 Go on, Linda! I will do one line. 351 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,775 For my colleagues... I thought you'd started then! 352 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,535 LAUGHTER, CROSSTALK 353 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,215 My colleagues who I worked with in the Netherlands, 354 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:41,855 cos I lived in the Netherlands 34 years 355 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:43,415 and I worked in the opera there... 356 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,375 JOSH: You should have clone the accent, like the Welsh accent! 357 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,175 "Linda's not really from the Netherlands!" 358 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,055 MILES: She's already got enough on her plate as it is, you know. 359 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,135 I couldn't have kept that up. 360 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,575 And I used to go around the theatre doing this line, 361 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,615 and they were always taking the mickey out of me 362 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,575 for doing this line. So I used to do... 363 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,455 SHE SINGS OPERATICALLY: # Oh, my God Oh, my God! # 364 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,495 Oh, wow! We believe you now. 365 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,015 That's exactly what you would do at every breakfast in the castle. 366 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,095 LAUGHTER 367 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,775 That would have been more believable, probably. 368 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,215 But like you said to me about 369 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,215 you still want to be liked as a Traitor - 370 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,935 I think that's something I struggled with at the same time. 371 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,095 Absolutely. You're doing all this, 372 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:21,575 but you still want to be liked by everybody 373 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,455 cos you don't want to hurt anyone's feelings almost. 374 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,135 JOSH: Yeah, and I think you managed that, Linda. 375 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,695 It was so hard. I think you definitely managed that. 376 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,335 Some people do fail with that. LAUGHTER 377 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,615 jO: Fozia, can I ask you - what happened 378 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,055 after you got off the train? 379 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,495 Obviously, I was hanging in the cages, wasn't I? 380 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,175 What, for like a week? Waiting, waiting... 381 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,255 No food or water, nothing. 382 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,695 Did you find it hard coming back in when everything's been established? 383 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,535 100%. Because you know people have formed their cliques. Yeah. 384 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,375 You've got to then go back and try and prove yourself, 385 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,295 build the friendships. Yeah. 386 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,495 Ancl I knew I would have had a target on my back 387 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,975 because they would have thought, "Ooh, two people back in - 388 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,775 "one of them's bound to be a Traitor." 389 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,495 I thought you were an absolute master at that, 390 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,775 establishing yourself in the game again straight away, 391 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,175 because you were straight out of the cage 392 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,295 and straight to the round table. I was. Ancl I guess that was 393 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:12,575 because, when I got out the cage, 394 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,255 being the first to come out of the cage, 395 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,615 I felt, "Ooh, I've won them over. I've built their trust already. 396 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,055 "Right, now I just go for it." 397 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,015 When you left the train, did you...? 398 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,335 Cos part of me, when that was going on... Yeah. 399 00:17:25,360 --> 00:17:27,455 I actually texted Ed this when I was watching it. 400 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,175 I was like, "I hate awkwardness so much. 401 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,055 "|'d have been off the train in a heartbeat, 402 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:33,375 "like, just to stop it." 403 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,375 But when you left the train, was there part of you thinking, 404 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,215 "There'll be a way back, and I'll look great 405 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,335 "cos I've already left the train"? Yeah. Were you thinking that? 406 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:44,215 So, it was a strategic move, not a foolish one. Yeah? 407 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,615 So when I got off, there was a part of me thinking, 408 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,535 "You haven't been banished or murdered, you're bound to come back. 409 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,055 "And you'll come back with a twist." 410 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,455 Ancl I thought, "How easy was that challenge?" 411 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,335 I just skipped off the train, didn't I? 412 00:17:56,360 --> 00:17:59,015 No physical effort whatsoever! LAUGHTER 413 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,135 Did you have any regrets at the time, though? 414 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,695 Did you ever think, "Ugh!"? A little bit. Yeah. 415 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,655 You know, that naturally comes, doesn't it? Cos you were the first. 416 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,975 Cos I was the first. Yeah. But it was clone. 417 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,055 I thought, "You know what, I'll take one for the team, 418 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:12,815 "make myself look good." Yeah. 419 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:14,695 "And let's see what happens after that." 420 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,175 I think you did it in exactly the right way. 421 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,615 If you were going to be one of the people off the train, 422 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,175 you've got to go first and then you have that in your back pocket. 423 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:22,895 Exactly. JO: Linda, I'm interested - 424 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,975 what did you make of Fozia when you first met her? 425 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,615 I thought she was quite a character. 426 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:33,415 Ancl I understood that the two newbies who came in 427 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,695 for that first night on the round table 428 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,735 weren't supposed to make any comments on the play. 429 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,455 But madam here, she absolutely spoke up, 430 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,375 and I thought, "What is she doing? She's not supposed to be speaking!" 431 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:53,135 So I thought, "Wow, she's got a really strong character." 432 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,215 Ancl she was right in there. 433 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,415 Yeah, absolutely. Even though I held back a little bit. 434 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,335 Oh, my God! Did you? Yeah. Wow! 435 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:01,735 I only gave sort of five minutes' worth, 436 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,335 and then I thought, "I better go easy now. 437 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:05,655 "|t's my first clay back." That wasn't the rule, though! 438 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,295 You were allowed to speak at the round table, weren't you? 439 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:08,695 We could if we wanted to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 440 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:12,695 You must have felt at a disadvantage because you'd missed all that time. 441 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,935 Of course. I'd do the same as you - just get in as much as you can 442 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,895 before someone puts a pillow over your face. You know what I mean? 443 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,935 I think it's really important to establish yourself, 444 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,215 which is what you did. 445 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,135 Linda, I do want to bring you back to that moment with Jake - 446 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,215 the head turn. 447 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,375 Go on. Do it for us now, Linda. 448 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,695 LAUGHTER Do you know... Were you aware...? 449 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,615 Were you aware of what you were doing when Claudia said "Traitors"? 450 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,055 Absolutely not. No. Because I'd just been tapped on the shoulder 451 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,815 as a Traitor, and my head was like... 452 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,735 Because just before she tapped me, I was going, "Don't tap me. 453 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,895 "Please don't. Please don't. I don't want to be a Traitor any more. 454 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,895 "No, no. Please don't." Ancl then she did, 455 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,015 and I thought, "Oh, my God, now I'm a Traitor!" 456 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,295 Ancl my head was, like, full. It was going... 457 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,695 I didn't even hear words. I just didn't hear words. 458 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,175 Ancl I happened to turn my head. Ancl he saw me on that word. Yeah. 459 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:08,295 When the blindfolds are on, is there any part of you that's just like, 460 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,855 "|'m just going to tap the next person"? 461 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,175 That's a good idea, isn't it? 462 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,775 Just when Claudia's the other side, just go... Yeah! 463 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,855 And then that person turns up to the Turret later, 464 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,175 like, "What are you doing here?!" LAUGHTER 465 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:24,735 "Claudia tapped me!" 466 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:30,135 Now, Linda, let's remind ourselves of your reveal at the round table. 467 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,495 Guys, I've had the most amazing time. 468 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,975 This has been the pinnacle of my life. 469 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,055 Ancl to experience this at my age and get this far, 470 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,775 I've had a whale of a time, so thanks for it. 471 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,375 I am a... 472 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,815 ...Traitor! CHEERING 473 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,415 Wow - look at that reaction! 474 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,495 JAKE: Day one! Day one! Come on! 475 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,215 Come on! Jake. Look at Jake. 476 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,295 I love it. I love Jake's reaction. 477 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,375 I love that I think you're the first Traitor to ever run out of the room. 478 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:10,775 Exactly! Exactly. 479 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,495 Can I give you full credit for the length of your fake, "F..."? 480 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:15,975 ALL LAUGH 481 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,055 "I am a F... Traitor!" 482 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,255 Loved it, loved it. I loved doing that. 483 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,215 How did you feel when you say, "|'m a Traitor," 484 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:24,615 and then you hear cheering? 485 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,855 Because I, when it happened to me, I was a bit like, 486 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,575 "Oh, bye, then... Bye, then, guys." 487 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,415 Oh, I did... I knew that they... Linda was ready to go. 488 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,095 I was...| was OK, I was OK with that. 489 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:34,975 I think, "Oh, they finally got a Traitor - good for them." 490 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,615 Because I was like, "We're all still friends, right? 491 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:37,815 "We're all still friends?" Exactly. 492 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,575 You know, you have that moment where you feel like, 493 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,895 "Oh, they've got a Traitor, but..." You know, you kind of pop off. 494 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,495 Yeah, but they were such a great group, I knew that when... 495 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,055 And I've made some really good friendships in that...in that group. 496 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,815 So, I mean, I knew it would be all right, you know. 497 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,575 Could you feel that moment coming? It didn't...? 498 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,895 It wasn't a surprise when you got banished? No, absolutely not. 499 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,535 When I spoke to Minah at the breakfast table that morning, 500 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,535 because we were first in, and that was the first time 501 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,655 we'd actually been alone and first in, I said to her, 502 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,055 "Look, if it's going my way, vote for me because I think 503 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,215 "it's going to go my way and I'm going to go anyway. 504 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,095 "So, just vote for me." And I said, "Try and go to the end. 505 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:13,775 "Go to the end." But that's such a lovely moment. 506 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,735 But that was your chance to throw her under the bus. 507 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,415 OTHERS LAUGH I think we missed out 508 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:19,855 on Fozia being a Traitor. 509 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,295 It's hindsight, isn't it? Hindsight. 510 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,335 I know, I'm too nice. 511 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:25,975 Fozia, would you have loved to be a Traitor? 512 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,055 I think, probably, at that stage, yes. 513 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,775 Once I'd banished Linda... 514 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,855 ...and I got the offer, then... You might... Yeah. 515 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,015 Yeah, you might have been recruited. Who knows? Who knows? 516 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,575 Now, Linda, another thing that raised people's suspicions 517 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:45,095 in the castle was your reaction to Livi being murdered. 518 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:46,815 How did that moment come about? 519 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,295 You made that decision to be...to be upset about her going. 520 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,095 I was upset. I was genuinely upset because, actually, Livi 521 00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:55,255 and I came in together. 522 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,655 We were in the first car together, 523 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,735 and I'd really got to know her really, really well. 524 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,455 And I felt like she was sort of like my daughter. And I was really 525 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,735 looking after her in there. FOZIA MOUTHS 526 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,615 No, that's not a lie. 527 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:12,415 And I really got on well with her, and I was really shocked 528 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,735 because I'm sure, at some point, she said to me, 529 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,375 "|'m sure you're a Faithful." 530 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,695 So, I thought, "Oh, Livi is on my side. I've got Livi." 531 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:25,095 And then, when Leanne told me that Liv had intimated 532 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:29,295 that I was a Traitor, I was completely blown away... 533 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,135 Yeah. ..because I thought, "I just can't believe that she said that." 534 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,655 I think what was...what was interesting from a viewer 535 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,975 perspective was they're all saying that you guys weren't close, 536 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,495 so why were you that upset? 537 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,535 But we'd seen in, I think, a previous episode, 538 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,135 you comforting her. Yeah, absolutely. 539 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,615 But no-one else was around. No. Exactly. 540 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,935 So, that was a sort of friendship that they weren't aware of. Yeah. 541 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,175 And do you know what? I also thought, 542 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,335 "ls Leanne winding me up and not telling me the truth?" 543 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:54,575 Yeah. That's what I thought. 544 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,855 I thought, "Maybe she's just winding me up and telling me that 545 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,135 "to put it out there with other people." 546 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,815 So, Fozia, we need to talk about the Death Match game. OK. 547 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,455 So dramatic. 548 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,135 What was going through your mind when you got into the car, 549 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,415 first of all, expecting to be taken back to your individual lodgings, 550 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,855 and then you end up driving to that spooky card game? 551 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,455 I think I was a bit more surprised seeing the three people 552 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:22,095 who drove by, too, thinking, "Oh, why these three?" 553 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:23,855 So, there's all that going on in your head, 554 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,815 and it's pretty spooky as well. 555 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,015 Talk us through that final moment, when it was just you and Leon 556 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,655 turning those cards over. Oh. 557 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,335 It was a game of chance, wasn't it, really? 558 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:36,375 I think... I wasn't ready to go, put it that way. 559 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,575 But that move with Anna, with... Where she...she took the card, 560 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,095 and you could have taken it straight back. 561 00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:44,015 I could have, but eagle-eye next door to me... 562 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,895 Yeah. ..Alexander, I couldn't have got it past him. 563 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,615 Yeah, he would have spotted that, I think. So, I thought, 564 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:49,855 "You know what? Let her go." Yeah. 565 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,575 Ancl then, just sit there and enjoy the game. 566 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,815 I just needed, like, a cigar. 567 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,255 Sit back. Bit of brandy. Like the Godfather. Yeah. 568 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,255 But I would have saved the drink and chucked it on Linda 569 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,975 when I saw her. Wow. 570 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,375 Well, I think this is a perfect time, Fozia, 571 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,015 to revisit your reaction 572 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,855 to meeting the Traitors face-to-face. 573 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,735 What is going on here? 574 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,775 Fozia... Yeah? 575 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,775 ...by order of the Traitors, you've been murdered. 576 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,375 Thank you. 577 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,255 That was too nice. 578 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,055 Linda, I knew it was you! 579 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,295 You're not going to last. 580 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,815 Get over it. Linda, get a good night's sleep tonight 581 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,415 because you're going next. 582 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,615 I mean, it was perfect. 583 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,975 Both of you. Absolutely amazing. Loved it. 584 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,215 "You're not going to last, Linda." 585 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,815 And then, muttering from under your hood, "Get over it." 586 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,415 "Get over it." Argh! 587 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:46,815 So funny. JOSH: "Get over it." 588 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,655 I was laughing, walking away because I thought her reaction 589 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,335 was so funny. "You're going to go tomorrow." 590 00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:55,335 But that moment where they brought their hoods back 591 00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:58,215 I thought it was so funny because I thought we'd get 592 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,695 a bit more shock from you because of Minah. 593 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,535 But you were so happy that it was Linda... Yeah. 594 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,855 ...that you almost went, "Yeah, all right, Minah, move out the way. 595 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,095 "I want to have a go at Linda here." Step aside. 596 00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:11,415 Yeah, I had a few suspicions with Minah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. 597 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,335 But probably not enough to have said anything throughout. 598 00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:17,535 Actually, I said to Fozia afterwards, "Did you think 599 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,055 "we were going to recruit you as a Traitor?" That's interesting. 600 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,135 And she said, "Yeah, I did think that." Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. 601 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,935 I don't know why I didn't think that was the end for me. 602 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,815 Because her face looked like, "Oh, what are you going to say to me?" 603 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,255 Yeah. Yeah, cos you didn't know 604 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,975 what was going to happen, really, did you? No, exactly. 605 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,815 I wasn't expecting the Traitors to personally hand-deliver... 606 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,415 Yeah, that's a service. ..the note. Yes. That's a service. 607 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,215 I thought, "Well, they owed me that much," so thank you for that. 608 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,535 Ancl then, I thought, "Hang on, there could be another twist." 609 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,855 Yeah. JOSH: I thought that. So, there was a part of me 610 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,615 that did think I might be recruited. 611 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,575 So, we absolutely loved your rivalry during your time in the castle. 612 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,455 I don't think you saw enough of it, to be fair. Exactly, no. 613 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,295 I know, we wanted more. We did want more of it. 614 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,615 We weren't in there long enough. Yeah. What was it that initially 615 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,175 raised your suspicions about Linda? 616 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,615 I just knew, deep down, there's two gangsta grannies in this, 617 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,815 and one of them is definitely a Traitor. 618 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,575 I don't know. And it was the fact that she barely spoke 619 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,975 around the round table, voting randomly. 620 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,975 But that's me! You did a lot of that. 621 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,455 I vote... Ask my family - I'm random. 622 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,135 I'm totally random. 623 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,135 I mean, I moved to the Netherlands 624 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,455 with a five-year-old, not knowing anybody, and... 625 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,455 OK, but we don't know that. 626 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,815 Well, no, YOU don't know that, but... 627 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,895 It would have been weird to bring it up at the round table, wouldn't it? 628 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,935 "|'m random." I'm pretty random. That's me. That's my personality. 629 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,815 I think it'd be quite nice if they had something at the round table 630 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,095 where you're allowed one phone call to a family, asking... 631 00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:39,215 Or to a friend. 632 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,735 .."ls Linda really like this?" Yeah. "Or is she just saying that?" 633 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,575 "Welsh? She's Welsh?!" 634 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,655 Fozia, Linda, thank you so much for joining me on Uncloaked. 635 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:49,975 You've been absolutely brilliant. 636 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,135 A massive round of applause for Fozia and Linda. 637 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,735 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 638 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,735 And a massive thanks to our guests, josh, jo and Miles. 639 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,495 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE Well clone. Well clone. Well clone. 640 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,495 The chat now continues on BBC Sounds, 641 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,735 where I will put Linda and Fozia through their paces in a series 642 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,895 of challenges to see who really comes out on top in this rivalry. 643 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,855 It's all in the bonus episode of Uncloaked, 644 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,935 in your BBC Sounds app right now. 645 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,775 You can listen whilst cleaning your car, going for a jog, 646 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,815 or to drown out the drudgery of your morning commute. 647 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,255 And if you've watched someone get buried alive and thought, 648 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,735 "That looks like a laugh," then perhaps you've got 649 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,655 what it takes to be a Traitor in the next series. 650 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,615 Just head to bbc.co.uk/takepart to apply. 651 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,855 We'll be back again right after episode eight 652 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,855 to gossip all things Traitors. 653 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,255 I'm Ed Gamble. Stay Faithful. 654 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,295 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 56109

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