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Hello and welcome back
to the Traitors Uncloaked,

the official visualised podcast,
hosted by me, Ed Gamble.

If you haven't seen Episode 3
then stop here, turn around

and get onto iPlayer right now
because there will be spoilers.

Plus I can reveal that
it's a super dramatic episode.

You are going to love it.

And it delights me to say that I can
open things up with this sound...

SIREN WAILS

Yes, that is the Traitors siren,
and that means a Traitor

has been caught.

So what do we have in store
for you tonight?

I will be joined by super fans
Vogue Williams,

Jamie Laing and Series 2 player Ash
to take a deep dive

into Episode 3 of The Traitors.

We look ahead to Week Two
and what that mysterious

horse and cart could mean.

Plus Spanish Traitor Armani
will be joining us to discuss

her time in the castle.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Vogue, Jamie and Ash, welcome.

Welcome to Traitors Uncloaked.
Hello!

Now, there's a lot we've got
to get through today.

A lot to cover.

We've got growing suspicions
around Kas, Freddie and Linda.

We've got a tense round table
where bold accusations

and theories were flying around.
And we've got a crazy mission

which resulted in
some very frayed tempers.

What a huge first week of Traitors.

How have we found it?

Vogue, how have you found
this first week?

I loved it. I love that
one of them has been caught.

But Linda is... She's the funniest

for me because I don't think

she really understands
how to play the game!

So...
LAUGHTER

We love Linda. We're going on
a big campaign on Uncloaked. Yeah.

We want Linda to go the distance
because... 100%.

...absolutely incredible.
There's some suspicion, but I think

she might keep scraping through.
You never know. Yeah.

What about you, Jamie? How have
you enjoyed this first week?

I've loved it. It's been amazing.
I'm with Vogue. I think Linda

is hilarious because she...
Honestly, you could say something

to Linda like... You could say,
like, "Oh, my God, Linda,

"in real life
I've murdered someone. Have you?"

Ancl she'd be like,
"Yeah, I have too!"

LAUGHTER

She just admits everything,

and just agrees with everyone.

She's amazing.

Ancl Armani, the fact
that the stuff that...

Armani was a huge character
and the fact that... Yeah.

...she's kind of, like... You know,
I thought she was going to be there

till the end, so it's amazing. Yeah.
It's been incredible.

Big moment for the series.
Big moment in this episode.

Ash, did it give you any flashbacks
to your early exit as a Traitor?

Oh, you know what,
I'm not going to lie - I did...

I did have a little tear in my eye,
yeah. It was quite emotional

watching her. When everyone's coming
at you around that round table,

and she was not expecting it,
I don't think. No.

Yeah, so I really, really
felt for her, you know?

Let's properly kick things off with
where we left that episode.

The three Faithfuls
that they're looking to murder

are Freddie, Maia and Charlotte.

Who do you think they might go for?

I think, by the reaction at the end
of that, I'm thinking

they might get Maia,

just because
no-one will expect that

because obviously everyone should
now think that Maia is faithful.

So maybe... But then Maia
would be so good to recruit!

So it'd be a bad move
to get rid of her.

But also really unexpected.
That's a really good point.

That would be a hugely unexpected
thing to do,

to recruit the other sister.

But also, I do like the idea
of an entire family being wiped out

in one episode. Yeah!
ASH LAUGHS

What about you, Jamie?
Who do you think...?

I'm the same as Vogue.

I think that Maia
would be the obvious one,

because it's, like, sisters
and it's, like, deleting a family.

But I...
LAUGHTER

Yeah, "Bye! Yeah, we got you!"

But I think they're going
to recruit her.

That's what's going to happen.

I think Freddie's going to go.
Do you think?

Oh, poor Freddie! Yeah. Yeah.

Sweet Freddie.
That shower scene as well...

I know. Wow! Hot stuff, yeah.

Sweet, gorgeous Freddie!

I think he's got as much
out of this show

as he's going to get out of it
with that shower scene.

Cos does anyone... I've never
showered by, like...

I've never lathered
with both hands like...

Ash, who do you think,
from a Traitor's perspective,

would be the best person to murder?

I think Charlotte, because...
Out of those three,

because I think Freddie
has got a bit of heat on him.

So I think they could really use him
as a patsy on the round table. Mm.

I think Maia would be really good
as a recruit,

and then throw her under the table
kind of thing. Yeah.

Or under the bus!

If you throw her under the table,
that's going to do nothing.

LAUGHTER

She'll just come out
the other side and go,

"|'m still here. Why'd you do that?"

Yeah!

So I think Charlotte, you know.
I do, out of those three, for sure.

I do want to know, though,
because we've got

a Traitor in the room here.

What are your primary motives
when you are murdering someone?

Is it to take the heat off yourself?

Is it to cause a bit of chaos?

Is it to remove threats?

What do you mainly look at?

Well, first of all,
you look at threats. Yeah.

You look at... I mean,
you may not have the heat on you

at that time, but you do look
at threats first, and then

sometimes you do do it
just to throw people off,

and it makes people think, "Why?

"Why would you... Why would you
kill this person?"

Now, we did have our first
Traitor capture.

It's huge. It's quite early as well.

Yeah. Very, very exciting.

Armani did seem very surprised
that the tables had been turned.

Yeah. Do we think she should have
been surprised?

Do you think she was maybe doing
a bit too much, Vogue?

I think she was surprised because
I think that she kind of had

everyone wrapped around
her little finger.

Like, people were scared of
suggesting her, which is unusual.

Ancl I don't think that
she was expecting that at all.

She had a game plan.

She thought she was doing it
perfectly, and I kind of...

I loved that it happened to her

because you know when
someone's so sure about it

and it's like, "No, no, no, no, no.
Hang on a second"? Yeah.

I loved watching her
go under the bus.

Yeah, I mean, she...
LAUGHTER

Well, she'll be in in a bit so
you can... I'll tell her in a bit!

...say that to her face, yeah.
LAUGHTER

Ash, the things that were level led
against Armani - doing too much,

speaking to too many people,

going around to different groups
and talking.

I feel like those are accusations
that were also level led

at you when you were kicked out.

So do you think she made
the same mistakes as you did?

'N.

Yes and no, but I think
the difference between us was

that she was very vocal
around that round table. Mm-hm.

Whereas I was the opposite,
you know,

because I couldn't get
a word in edgeways.

And I think because she had
that extra level of confidence,

she was just adamant
that everybody loved her,

which they did. But actually
part of what we already saw -

that people were afraid of her.
ALL: Yeah.

They were afraid
to bring her name up.

So I think because she...

I think she was just a bit too extra
around the round table.

I'm like, "Babe, bring it back
a little bit," you know?

Rein it in a bit, yeah. Yeah.

Right at the end of the episode,
though, we got a teaser

for the next episode, which was
of course a horse-drawn carriage

with a rail replacement sign
on the side

driven by two hooded figures
in gold masks.

Very spooky.

I want to hear your theories.

What's going...
What's going on there?

The train people are coming back.

The train people are coming back!

I mean, it would've been absolutely
vicious to throw them out

before they even got there.

Imagine. Like, you were saying,
"I've just told all my friends

"and family I'm going off to do
a TV show"... Yeah.

...and you come back two hours later
and you're like, "Hello."

LAUGHTER
"Oops. Sorry!"

"I'll be gone for three weeks."
Yeah. "Where's all your stuff?"

"I left it on the train."

Now, before we get on to the drama
at the round table, I think

we need to talk about the mission,
because it was a crazy one.

We've even... We've got the oars
behind us here.

Let's have a look at those.

Let's remind ourselves of the moment
where our Traitors Linda and Minah

get into a bit of a to-do
on the boat...

Ancl pull! In front,
you're out of rhythm.

Ancl pull!

She's... They're out of rhythm.

What? You're out of rhythm.

But when you're saying, "And pull",
that's when we're pulling, to me.

No, no, no... No, you're not.

Guys, don't stop rowing!

Go!

It's just not that damn deep.

Ancl pull!

I am getting off this boat.

And pull! Cos, like,
I feel like we're pulling

when everyone's saying "Pull,"

but apparently we're not.

LAUGHTER
Very good.

Absolutely amazing.
That is unbearable.

I would hate to be on that boat.

Vogue, do you think that seemed
like a strong sisterhood?

It was very... No, it was not
a strong sisterhood.

It reminded me... Do you remember
the boat in Series Two

when they just kept going around
in a circle... Yeah.

...because no-one knew how to row.

In fairness, I don't know how to
row, but I reckon I'd do

a better job than that.

Well, Freddie said... Of course,
he went, "I don't know how to row.

"|'m not that posh." So, Jamie,
can you tell us a bit about rowing?

Yeah.
LAUGHTER

It depends if you want an eight
or a scull or you're just looking

for just a quick rowing boat.
I can give you all of them, yeah.

Yeah. Obviously I know. OK!

Yeah, it was all over the place,
that mission.

But what I really liked about it is
there's the whole thing of

the Traitors don't want people
to be safe from murder,

so they're trying to make
the Faithfuls get off the boat,

and they need to stay on the boat
to take the shields away.

But Minah ended up getting off
because the other Traitor

was doing her head in.

In that particular moment, though,
I think Minah secured her place

as a Faithful. Yeah. I think so.

But that was, like, the by-product

of her just being really
pissed off with Linda.

But she's the perfect level of,
like, she's not too full-on,

she's kind of getting on with
everybody and she's not

in anyone's face at the same time
and kind of saying just enough.

She's got that level perfect. Mm.

If I was Minah now,
I would vote off Linda.

Like, I would... She probably will!
I would just go -

I would just double down.

I would double down hard on it
and, like, start going for Linda.

I think Linda has still got
suspicion on her... Yeah.

...from the time she turned around
when Claudia said "Traitors".

So I think there's still people
sniffing around Linda, and I think

you just get in the wake of that
and you can get rid of Linda,

and then... I would just
get rid of Linda. Yeah.

Then you're plain sailing.
There's just no way

they're ever going to think...
That it's Minah, yeah.

So let's revisit the odd interaction
between Freddie and Maia

on one of the pontoons.

We get on to that raft, yeah?

First thing he says to me is,

"Well, I hope they don't get it."

He's not moving like normal today.

He's moving panicky today.

Now I think Freddie's a Traitor.

Oh! It was a weird thing to say.

I know, but he was really annoyed
with them. Yeah, I understood it.

I'd be like, "Do you know what?
You made me get off."

But when you know that there's all
those suspicions floating around,

it's a weird thing to say. Mm.

And, as he said it, he panicked.
Yeah.

He was like, "Oh, why have I
said this now?" Yeah.

"I should try and withdraw that."
I think it was just a rage.

Do we think it's going to end badly
for Freddie?

Do we do we think that
that might seal his fate?

He has put himself in the hot seat
for that. Yeah.

But, you know, that's the thing.

When you get to that Round Table
anything can happen.

You can have somebody's name
in your mouth,

and then ten minutes later
that can change.

OK. We simply must talk about
tonight's Round Table,

and particularly how Kas
came under a lot of scrutiny.

Let's revisit that moment.

No, no, let me finish. Something's
been going on... Let me finish, Joe.

Joe, let me finish. The last thing
I'm going to say is if the fact that

you're voting for me is because
I'm a nice person or, because

I'm a doctor, "|t makes sense."

The fact that I have a job
is not a reason to vote for me.

I didn't say that. No, that is
what... Literally, you just said,

"The doctor thing makes sense.
You save lives during the clay."

No! "You kill people at night."
So you're basically calling me,

like, Harold Shipman or something?

No... Whoa, that's a bit loaded,
mate! I'm not saying that.

It's a horrible, horrible thing to
say, that the reason... That's not

what I was... that the reason
you think I'm a Traitor...

I wasn't saying it like that.

This does feel like the Faithfuls
are grasping at straws slightly,

for me, that they're picking Kas out
as a potential Traitor

because he is a doctor
and he's nice, and that,

"Oh, a Traitor who's a doctor.
That'd be an amazing thing."

It'd be perfect, yeah.

It's... Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous.

He hasn't clone one single thing.

I actually feel really sorry
for him.

He's just nice, and that seems
to be the problem. Yeah.

There was the toast. Yeah.

In the last episode, where
he stood up and made a toast

in front of everyone at breakfast,
which was a little bit suspect,

I think. I thought that was
a really lovely thing!

Well, it was completely revolting
to everyone, obviously!

LAUGHTER

Everyone was horrified
by that nice deed!

You could see in his face when
he stood up to make the toast,

he was like, "Oh, my God,
why am I doing this?"

LAUGHTER
Yeah!

Ancl he should have just gone...

..."Nyyyeeow! "
LAUGHTER

Pretended he was completely mad!

Yeah, and that would have been fine
because no-one's going to go,

"We've got to get rid of Kas
cos he pretended

"his orange juice was a plane."

Oh, God!

Now, Linda also drawing a lot
of heat. I know, we talk about Linda

so much on the show. Ah, we love
Linda, really. We love Linda!

She's an icon. We love her.

Jake is onto her.

Ash, what do you think Linda
could possibly do to alleviate

some of this pressure?
Or is it too late for her?

This is what I think.
This is what should happen.

They recruit a person.

Linda comes in with Jake,
convinces him of who the Traitor is.

Then she'd be known as
the Traitor-hunter. Mm-hm.

Throws that person under the bus.
You win Jake.

Now we've fully dissected that
episode, I think it's time to

address this series' first
Traitor banishment.

Let's revisit the moment that Armani
revealed her true identity.

Genuinely, I have had THE best time.

I would not have chosen
to be any different

because this genuinely
is just who I am.

I am genuinely so grateful
for the time

and you guys are all amazing.

I love you all and I hope
we can all chill after this.

I am...

...a Traitor.

WILD CHEERING

And she's here with us now.
Welcome, Armani!

THEY CHEER

Thank you!

Armani, thank you so much
for joining us on Uncloaked.

Thank you for having me.

Could you take us through that
moment, that moment where you had to

reveal to everyone in there
that you were a Traitor?

What was going through your head
at that moment?

I was thinking, "For God's sake,
they've got me. Cor, blimey!

"Like, oh, here we are!"

But in all honesty,

the whole thought process I had
the whole time

of this experience was,

"|'m here to play a game
and have a really good time,"

and although it was the end,
I was just like,

"Oh, that was really just so great."

Like, I thought everyone
was just so lovely.

I felt a bit sad for my sister -
I can't lie - because

she was really struggling.
I was thinking, "Girl, relax.

"|t's all right, man.
Like, you know, you can suspect me.

"|t's the game!"

Well, it's kind of an amazing moment
when you reveal you're a Traitor.

The look on Maia's face,
there's so many emotions happening

all at once because she's upset
to see you go.

She's upset that you were a Traitor.

She's upset that she said
you were a Traitor,

but is also happy
that she's found a Traitor. Yeah.

So she's, like, doing all sorts
of things. There's, like, about

10 million emotions at once.

I was like, for me, maybe
it's just because of my nature,

but I was kind of happy that
they found a Traitor too.

I was like, "Oh, my God, yeah, guys,
you found one!"

LAUGHTER
I was like, "But wait. It's me.

"Erm, maybe not." Yeah.

But it was really just...
It was just nice. I was like,

"OK, that's the end of my
experience, but it was fun."

My favourite thing was
when you tried to give

the other Traitors notes. Yeah.
Unbelievable.

"|'m just saying that you guys
are just not doing enough."

Because they weren't.

I stick to what I said.
It was amazing!

I stick to what I said.

How did you feel looking back
when you give that feedback

to the other Traitors? I...
And then it cuts to Minah going,

"|'m not taking that feedback."
I was like, "You witch.

"How dare you? OK?"

No, but, to be fair,
I was like, "Respect."

Everyone's got their game play.

Like, for me, it was genuine...
Not even advice.

I was saying, "You lot keep on
being silent here

"and I'm talking, talking, talking.

"I know that's going to draw some
attention to me at some point."

Did you not think about,
around the Round Table...?

Because you were very, very vocal.

Yes. Did you not think,
for a minute, "Maybe...

"OK, maybe I need to just tone
this down, just a little bit?"

Erm, if I'm honest with you...
LAUGHTER

No.
LAUGHTER

If I'm honest with you,
I had a complete game plan

coming into this.

Ancl I'll tell you what the game plan
was. Please! Can't wait.

Erm...

Cos you're going to laugh,
because I was like,

"I know how this game goes.

"I know what the sensible way
of doing this is.

"|'m going to be silent,
and I'm going to go behind

"and sit back and listen to what
everyone else has got to say..."

STIFLED LAUGHTER
"And as they're talking, I'm going

"to just slowly put in
my opinion here or there."

Ancl then the problem was,
was that, as I stepped foot into

that castle and I saw everyone
around me just,

"YaP'YaP'YaPI YaP'YaP"'
just came out

and my natural personality couldn't
help myself. I was going to say...

I knew I was talking too much,
but I couldn't help myself.

Armani, that didn't start in the
castle. It started on the train.

LAUGHTER

But I love that. You know,
you didn't have to call me out

like that! That's why people...

You are destined to be yourself
in the castle no matter what, right?

You're thinking, "|'m going to be
really quiet." And then you got in.

That would have been more suspicious
to your sister if you got in there

and you were really quiet. You know
what it is? I don't even know,

because we'd been talking before
about what are we going to do?

Like, how are we going to be
as sisters?

Cos we've come in, revealed
that we're sisters from the get-go.

Ancl whether or not that was a smart
choice, looking back on it, unsure,

but we knew it was going
to have a target on our backs.

So we were like, "OK,
we're going to try and come in,

"you're going to take one side
of the room,

"|'m going to take the other side,
we're going to come back

"and give back feedback." The
problem was, was that she ended up

going into anxiety mode, and so
her mind was gone on that side.

Ancl then I was just literally
having the best time of my life.

Like, "This is so much fun!"

Ancl forgetting to,
you know, play strategically

rather than just enjoy. And so...
Yeah... Do you think that was

a good strategy, revealing that you
were sisters straight away? No.

If I could go back, oh, my God, I'd
be like, "Shut up, just forget it."

Yeah. Don't bother. Cos the reason
why we did is cos we're so similar.

Like, we talk similarly, we look
similar, like, our mannerisms.

I was laughing
when I saw us both crying

when she walks through the door.

Which, ten out of ten performance
by me. Yeah.

Um...but when she... When she was
crying, I was looking at her like,

"Bloody hell, we even cry the same."

Like, we're not going to really get
away with it for long. One of you

could have pretended to be Welsh.

I think you might have been slightly
surprised that they had found you.

And the only reason I think that
is this.

Well, let's remind ourselves
how you were feeling

at the start of tonight's episode.

I'm having the best time
being a Traitor.

I don't want to be too cocky,

but I am pretty happy
with the way I'm playing.

Morning. Morning.

To be fair, I think I'm pretty safe.
I am pretty popular.

I'm pretty well-liked.

I think I'm going to continue to be
playing it the way I am.

LAUGHTER

So were you surprised
when you were banished?

It was such a witch hunt
out of nowhere. I was like,

"Um, hold on a minute.
I thought we were all cool.

"I thought we were
on the Armani train.

"What is going on right now?"
Because, to be honest with you,

even as I saw myself throughout
the episode, I was like,

I'm still thinking,
"How did we get here?

"I thought Kas
had more on him than me."

I was like... But, you know,
I guess that's just how it is.

But I think a lot of the chats
were going on behind closed doors.

Yeah. There was, you know,
a fair few people suspecting you.

Yeah. And you said there, like,
you were popular and well-liked.

Yeah. That's true.
But that can be true

and people can suspect you. Yeah.

The problem is, is that I think
even if I was a Faithful,

it would have just been
the circumstances that they are.

I just can't shut my mouth,
like, it's just one of those things,

I'm a chatty girl. So would you
have acted the exact same

if you were a Faithful?
I think I would have been out

the exact same time,
in the exact same way,

for the exact same reasons,

because I just played as myself.

I wasn't even really thinking
so much about, you know,

Traitor/Faithful. It's just like,
"I want to have fun.

"I want to play the game." As I was
saying, I was having a great time!

I was enjoying myself. But you say
you would act the same

if you were Faithful,
but your sister saw something

in your behaviour that made her
think that you were a Traitor.

So what was that?
You know what it is?

I honestly believe
that even if I was a Faithful,

she would have thought
the same thing. Like,

she's very suspicious all the time.

But I think because she was
so on edge all the time,

while I was just there
skipping through the daisy fields,

like, she was just like,
"You're doing something here

"that's different."
I'm like, "No, it wasn't."

When your sister turned on you
and said, "60%,"

did you feel a little bit, like,
hurt? I was betrayed, OK?

I felt completely...
I was like,

"Girl, I know that we are
in a game right now and I know

"that we're on different sides,
but like, damn."

I think that she was the final nail
in your coffin.

I think if she hadn't said anything,
I don't think you would have gone.

110%. I talk about this with her.

I'm like, "You, witch. If you kept
your mouth shut, Kas would have got

"all the votes and I could have
squeezed my way out,

"one way or another." But she...
I just know what she's like

and why I say that she probably
was more suited to the Traitor role.

She's a conniving girl. She is.

Ancl for her, she saw herself
going down. So she was like,

"No, I10, I10, n0, let me go..."

She was being a good Faithful
in that moment. Yeah. Screw that.

She was willing...
She was willing to accept that

you possibly could have been
a Traitor, which must have been

quite difficult, I think.
Um, you know what it is?

As time was going on, I kind of knew
pretty quickly that I was not

going to be able to murder
my sister. Like, I knew that.

I just... I just wouldn't be able
to do it. So I'm thinking

of all the kind of ways around it.
She's got to get, like,

banished first. She's got to, like,
whatever, I'll find a way, that way.

But she obviously felt
more than fine doing the reverse...

There was a sense that
you didn't think you were playing

against your sister, you were
actually playing the game with her

even though you were a Traitor.
Yeah. Like, I think maybe

it's the big sister in me. Like,
I can't help but want to protect her

in some way or form.

So it probably wasn't the best
for game play. Like, realistic,

I should have murdered her the first
night... Exactly what I said,

I think murder her first night,
that would have been... Boom. Yeah.

Did you did you think you were
going to win it all the way?

Oh, my God, I thought I would
at least get to the bloody final.

Yeah. I can feel that on you.

And I've never seen emotion
go from, like, such confidence

to something so confused.
"Sorry, what?

"I was meant to be winning this."
Every time you said anything,

you were thinking days in advance.
So you were going,

"Well, I'm fine for at least,
you know, five more Round Tables.

Yeah. You're like, no, you've got to
be thinking about this one.

I know, I was so far up
my own arse that I literally...

I literally thought
that there was just no chance

I'd be gone in that time frame.

Like, there was just not even
an inkling in my mind. I was like,

"These girls got my back.

"They said they're going to have
my back, so don't worry about that."

I was thinking about when Minah was
having a conversation with Leanne,

I'm thinking, "You could have
diverted from me there, girl.

"You could have diverted from me."

What did you think when Minah
voted for you? I thought,

"You cheeky little girl, you."
Did you see it coming, though?

I knew that we were going to have to
betray each other at some point.

Obviously. But after this
sisterhood, sisterhood, sisterhood,

you ain't got no sister, turns
around and tells me, uh, what,

like..."Armani."
I was thinking, "Wait a minute.

"Hold on, hold on.

"I thought that we were having
each other's backs here."

Also, your acting is sublime
cos there's that one bit

when you have to do the challenge
and the question was like, "Oh, God,

"how many paintings are up the
wall?" And you were like, "Three."

"I think it's one." You're like,
"No, I think it's...

"|'m pretty sure it's three,
actually," trying to divert it away.

Well, this is a really good point...
So good. ..because the missions

seem a lot harder for Traitors
this time around.

Because you're having to keep
everything in your head. Yeah.

Like, even with that, for example,
it's not like I knew the answer,

to be fair, but I knew that Kas
would know the answer.

So I was like, "|f you're saying
it's four, it's defo four.

"So let me try and figure out
how to divert that away from that."

I was like, "Three ain't far off.
Sounds about right.

"I can kind of, like...

"I can kind of, like, paint it out
in one way or another."

Like, not too difficult.

But the problem is, is that when you
got Mr Smarty Pants on your team,

everyone's also thinking,
"Yeah, he must be right." Yeah.

But it was you throwing in three
and being like,

"I think it might be three,
actually." And when everyone...

And Kas went, "What does everyone
else think?" They all went, "Four."

Yeah. You seemed genuinely gutted

when they all got immunity
from murder

that you weren't going to be able
to murder someone.

You enjoyed the killing part of it?
100%. Like, this is the game.

Like, we're the Traitors
and I'm a Traitor.

Who would you have gone for next

if you could have chosen someone
to murder that night?

Great question. Ooh! OK, OK, OK,
let me think. Look at you,

as soon as you think about murder
you're shimmying around.

It's such a good game. To fair,
I probably would've killed Tyler.

Oh. Yeah, dominant. Yeah.
Too dominant, too excited.

Looking for the Traitors. Too nice.

No-one's banishing him.
Yeah. But also as well,

cos when I was with him
on that activity, I was, like,

I was seeing another part of his
personality, which was, like,

he was truly offended by the acts
of the Traitors. I'm thinking,

"Are you sure you came to the show
with the right mindset here?"

But it's all right, I get it,
like, you know?

But I was just like,
"No, you've got to go next."

Ancl after, funnily enough,
after my Round Table,

if I'd survived, I would have
removed Jake for sure. Oh. For sure.

Oh. So you...? Yeah.

Cos then I would have had Linda
getting a little bit set up,

and then I would have just been
like, "He's a strong...

"Another strong personality."

What I wanted to ask you was that
you're saying that people

were sort of looking at Kas,
and you were hoping that people

would go for Kas
at that Round Table,

but you were defending Kas
to the hilt. Don't tell me again.

You were saying, "Kas is 100% a
Faithful, he's definitely Faithful."

Yeah. As a Traitor,
should you really be throwing...

No, I'm a plum,
um, to be honest with you.

Um, realistically speaking,
I think my problem is,

is that I think my values
and who I am as a person

aligns with Faithful,
straight through and through.

I found the murdering easy cos it
was just a part of the game.

For me it was just a game,
so nothing too difficult.

But as I'm seeing things in person
as they're happening,

the kind of, like,
I-want-to-defend-people part of me

starts coming out,
so it's like people are going,

"Oh, no, it's Kas cos he clone this,"

and even at the thing when he's clone
the whole toast, I'm thinking,

"Why would you do that?
That's a very stupid move, come on."

I'm, like, I'm telling him like,
"You shouldn't do that."

Ancl then he's suspecting me cos
I'm talking to him, but whatever.

But, like... But I can't...

I think subconsciously I couldn't
help but want to defend him

because I knew people were gunning
for him. Yeah. And it's like,

I'm going for Charlotte,
Charlotte, Charlotte.

It's like everyone around me
has already said,

"Oh, yeah, no, I know it's not
Charlotte," blah, blah blah.

So it's like I'm going for her cos I
know nobody's going to vote for her

really. It's the little
subconscious niggles.

Even with Elen, I could have really,
like, stomped my foot down in that,

like, "Yeah, 100%, like, how could
she say...?" Blah, blah, blah.

But I couldn't help myself.
It wasn't in my nature to do...

So you don't have that true killer
instinct you need as a Traitor.

Yeah, I feel like the deceit
was what I was lacking.

Mm. It's a weird one, like,
dragging people under when you...

Especially when you know
that they're not a Traitor.

Because you are. Yeah.
Cos if I was a Faithful,

I think it'd be a lot easier.
When you're not used to being

a deceitful person... Yeah.
..It's hard to kind of, uh,

get your mind to work that way
in a way, do you know?

You, no, 100%. I also think it's
a really good actual plan to, like,

say, when you're a Traitor,
to say someone's 100% a Faithful,

cos then if they get voted off,

cos if Kas got voted off,
people would be like,

"Well, it can't be you,
because you were saying..."

Fair point. ..actually, weirdly,
it's kind of a good tactic.

Well, I didn't get to live
to see the tale on that.

Linda seemed to suggest
that now you've gone,

the Traitors are stronger
because of that. How dare they?

How do you feel about that? Do you
think that's true? Absolutely not.

So sorry. But, listen,

maybe my game play wasn't as tight
as it should have been.

Fine, I'll accept that.
But I was running that damn Turret.

Like, as I said, every single

session of murder...
I think they were...

They were going to turn on you
at one point,

particularly after the notes.
The notes, the notes, like,

threw you under the bus
with the Traitors and then just...

You were...
Yeah, I was in my own world,

I was in my own like,

"Yeah, I'm leading this
and it's going so great."

There was definitely moments
I was like,

"Armani, you need to roll that
back in a bit, darling."

Do you know what I mean?

Now that you've gone, how do
you think the remaining two Traitors

are going to perform?
Um, the thing is,

is I think Minah
has just got it in her.

Like, there's nothing stopping her.

Like, realistically speaking,
I wouldn't be shocked

to the slightest if she made it
all the way through to the end.

Yeah. Linda, I think, is truly just
based on whatever destiny's got

in the stars for her.
Um, because realistically speaking,

either she'll just get clocked
byjake and then off she goes. Yeah.

Or she'll somehow just
keep on escaping every...

Cos I think she's the most
obvious Traitor there is.

Like, if I was a Faithful,
watching her,

she just does some of the most
bizarre moves of all time.

I'd be thinking,
"No, it's defo you."

But no-one's obviously picking up
on it. So I'm just, again,

over confident. There's nothing
I want more than for Linda

to fail her way all the way to
the final. I will... No, literally,

which is why I'm like, "You know
what? You just better win it, girl."

Like... It'd so good if she won.

That's all we've got time for.

But fret not,
the chat continues on BBC Sounds,

where Armani will reveal
more salacious secrets

from her time in the Turret.

It's all in the bonus episode
of Uncloaked

in your BBC Sounds app right now.

Either scan the QR code
or search for Uncloaked in the app

and you'll be able to find us.

And if you think you've got
what it takes to be a Traitor

next series - not doing too little,
but not doing too much -

then head to...

A huge thank you to Vogue,
Jamie, Ash and Armani.

CHEERING

We'll be back again next Wednesday
after episode four

to dissect all the treacherous
titbits from the Traitors' castle.

I'm Ed Gamble. Stay faithful.

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