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Happy New Year and welcome
to The Traitors: Uncloaked,
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the official visualised podcast
hosted by me, Ed Gamble.
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We are back and so excited
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to get addicted to another series
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of the best show on TV.
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We'll be here after every episode
to dissect all of the action
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from the castle and to help us
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we'll be joined by celebrity guests,
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some familiar faces from
series one and two
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and of course, we get the exclusive
first chat from the latest murdered
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and banished players.
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But before I say too much,
spoiler alert -
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if you haven't watched
the first episode of series three,
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then get yourself onto BBC iPlayer
and do that now.
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Coming up...
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...Yin will be here to discuss being
the first murdered player from the game.
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We also have unseen footage
of her surprising alter ego.
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Plus, to dissect all the players
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and our new set of Traitors,
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I'm joined by Traitors super fans
Emma Willis,
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Babatunde Aleshe and winner
of The Traitors series two, Harry!
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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Welcome, Emma, Babatunde
and Harry, welcome to Uncloaked.
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Now, there's a lot been happening
since the last series.
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Diane became mother to the nation
and was offered fizzy roses
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left, right and centre...
EMMA: Mm-hmm.
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...jazatha Christie got
his own radio show...
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It was either that or start
his own private investigators.
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...and Harry, you and Paul
started your own podcast.
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Hmm. So why can't you stay
in your own lane?
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CHUCKLING: Yeah.
THEY LAUGH
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Before we get into it, I want one
word from each of you to summarise
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this first episode of the new series
of Traitors.
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We'll start with you, Harry.
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I would say wow,
but, like, not just the word wow.
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You know, like, as in, like,
a wow. A feeling?
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Yeah. You know, like a... Yeah.
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It's not like... QUIETLY: "Oh, WOW."
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Not like a deep one,
but like a real meaningful...
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WITH EMPHASIS: "WOW."
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Like, that was just, like,
I ain't got words, basically.
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So the answer is wow.
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Yeah.
THEY LAUGH
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Could have just said that.
Could have just said that.
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Baba?
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Uh, anxious because I want to see
the next one, man.
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Emma?
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Um, EastEnders.
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Hm. I love this.
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Especially the sisters.
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They're giving me major EastEnders
vibes because I want to know
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if either of them are going to rat
each other out.
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Yes. Ancl that will be so, like...
HUMS EASTENDERS DOOF-DOOFS
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Now, we've got a lot to talk
about from that first episode.
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Fake accents, fake jobs,
hidden identities
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and losing three players
from the train
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before they even
made it to the castle.
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That was brutal.
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It's probably the harshest opening a
series of the Traitors has had... Yeah.
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But it leaves you
guessing immediately.
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Yeah. But we should start
with the biggest headline
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from our first episode.
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We have an all-female
Traitor line-up.
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Shall we remind ourselves
of the moment they discovered
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one another's identities?
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SUSPENSEFUL SYNTH DRONES
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EERIE GASPING THEY
CHUCKLE Oh, God.
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Woman power!
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Oh, my goodness!
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Holy... Not a clue, mate.
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No. Not a clue about either of you.
Not a clue.
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There we are.
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It really is, it's woman power,
this series, as Linda says.
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CHUCKLING: It IS woman power.
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Why do you think it's an
all-female line-up?
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Do you think... Why not, Ed? Why not?
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No, but do you think
maybe Claudia was...
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And no offence, Harry.
She had an eager to...
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...eager to avoid some of the
masculine energy. No, you can say it.
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When she walked in
and we'd recruited another Traitor,
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I remember in my last series,
she was like,
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"Oh, it's just like olden times."
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And I was just like, "Oh, my gosh."
THEY LAUGH
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I don't even know if she said that.
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Ancl then it's funny now that
they're all women Traitors.
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Yeah. It's, uh, it's not
a boys' club any more. Hmm.
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Now, our Traitors
have very different tactics.
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Minah, very quiet, seems to
be leaning into the role easily.
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Do we think she could be the quiet
and surprising assassin?
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Yes. Yeah. Hmm.
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I think she's got a good game.
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Yeah. Mina. Yeah, she's playing it,
pitching it perfectly, I think.
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Now, Armani, I think,
may be doing too much.
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She's carved herself out
as a leader of the pack. Hmm.
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Did this remind you, Harry,
of Paul's tactics, perhaps?
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I would say Minah's sort of taking
the same role on that I was doing,
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you know, sort of letting someone
think they're doing really well
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and they're the leader of
the pack, and they're,
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cos now I think what she's doing,
that Armani,
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she's sort of trying
to cover herself too much. Mm-hmm.
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So she'll think that she's doing really
good and no-one will think it's her.
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But she's planting way
too many seeds... Yeah.
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...where Minah is sat back
and just watching it all unfold.
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So yeah, I would say in some sort
of way, she's like a Paul.
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There's the added complication of the
fact that Armani's sister, Maia,
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is in there, which, you know, Minah
may be a bit worried that Armani
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won't be able to separate herself
from her sister in the game.
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Hmm. How do we think that's all
going to play out?
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Cos they've obviously gone
in there and said, "we're sisters."
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I don't get why people do
that, though.
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Can I just say that for a fact?
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It'd be hard not to.
I mean, they kind of know.
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But I don't know why you would go
with your sister anyway. Oh, yeah.
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I keep saying this to everyone.
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Like in our series, we had
obviously, um, Diane and Ross,
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mother and son, like, why would you
put that extra needed pressure
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on yourself and not just go
there and be yourself? Hmm.
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But I think Armani's move
should have been
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to immediately kill her sister.
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No. No. That's what I said!
Straightaway.
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Mm-hmm. That's what I said.
Don't you think?
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Watching. Because then all suspicion
has gone from her as a Traitor... Yeah.
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Who would kill their sister
first round? Absolutely. Yeah.
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That's the first thing I'd think,
I'd be like, "|t's you.
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"You're the Traitor, 100%."
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Plus, I think her sister's clocked.
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Oh, her sister's absolutely clocked.
You think? I think so.
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She knows. Yeah.
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It's difficult to hide things from
your siblings. She said, didn't she?
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Like... She said she's moving weird.
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Yeah, she's moving weird,
she's talking weird now.
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Yeah. I don't know why,
but yeah, I mean,
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this is the joy of the game.
This is why it's so amazing,
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cos everything
could be a double bluff. Yeah.
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So I would've said, you go in there,
get rid of your sister straightaway,
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then it's like, "Well, I couldn't
have been a Traitor."
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But then she's already crying
at breakfast,
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so then all it takes is one person
to be like,
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"You've clone that
to cover yourself,"
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and then they're straight
back onto us.
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So it's, that's the hardest thing...
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I don't know how you do it.
The pressure going in that game.
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Yeah. I mean, well clone,
Harry. Well clone. THEY LAUGH
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For real. For all the hideous
lies you told. THEY LAUGH
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No, it's, I mean,
it's brilliant, isn't it?
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It's amazing to watch. That's why
it's such a fantastic show
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because it's just a brilliant
game to watch.
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Um, Linda, I feel like a slightly
changed personality
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since she was made into a Traitor...
Yeah. Hmm.
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Cos she'd sort of got a really nice,
fun aunt vibe on the train. Yeah.
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I would have loved to hang out with
Linda. She did bat it off, though.
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You know when he pulled her up
on it right at the beginning,
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she did kind of... I felt like
she played that all right.
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But at the Round Table, that's when
she seemed to suddenly go, like,
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lose her personality and almost like
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she's paddling under the water
in panic. I swear to God...
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Trying to glide on the top
just like, "Agh!" underneath.
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That's how I would be, you know.
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I'd be like, "Get off my back,
leave me alone!"
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I swear. Ancl then you start crying
and go, "|'m a Traitor!"
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For real.
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Yeah, that's confirmed to me
what I already know, Baba,
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is that you would be an
absolutely awful Traitor. 1 00...
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I'm terrible at lying.
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Now, we already know that
the heat is on Linda already.
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Oh, poor Linda!
Poor Linda has already got
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a bit of heat on her.
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She dealt with it well, though,
didn't she?
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I don't know. Nah...
This is what we should talk about.
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Everyone's laughing!
"What are you watching, Willis?!"
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I thought she kept her calm.
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She was calm. Yeah.
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But I would say throwing it back
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in the person who has
accused you's face immediately,
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it's like... Too soon.
It's too soon.
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Someone's going
"I think you're a Traitor,"
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going like,
"Well, I think you're a Traitor."
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That's not a good defence,
I don't think.
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I would agree, I would agree. That's
the part, cos like you said,
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she was very calm and I thought
she was handling it very well
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up until that point. Yeah.
You know what I mean?
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Because now that deflecting
back onto him,
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it's just like...
that doesn't even make sense.
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What do you mean?
I'm the one that's accusing you.
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What are you talking about?
Now I'm suspicious of you.
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Now I'm even more suspicious of you!
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Yeah. You know what I mean?
So, yeah.
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Because I think the moment...
You're right, the moment she said,
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"Oh, I don't think it was anything.
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"I was just looking because
she was talking,"
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is a perfectly good defence
for that.
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Even though I did watch back,
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the moment where Claudia said
Traitors... Like she had whiplash!
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And she literally went, "Yes?"
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She may as well have said
"Here, Miss." Like, it was...
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It was, it was properly obvious.
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By the way, what an amazing
play byjake to even spot that,
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like, and call that out
straight away.
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Because also fair play to him too,
because he could have been worried
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he would have been murdered
that night.
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But then now he's also got
the thing of
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if he is murdered,
everyone knows who it is. Yeah.
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So he's sort of solidified his place
now for a couple of clays at least,
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cos he can't go,
cos then it's too obvious.
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But then now he's got
an actual honest opinion
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of why he thinks it's someone.
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But if Linda could get enough votes
to be banished,
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it'd be the first time that
a Traitor gets banished
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at the first round table.
That would be good.
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It would be huge.
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What impact would that have
on the Faithful
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and their mood towards the game?
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Oh, well, they would just be
singing for joy, wouldn't they?
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They would be on a massive high.
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The Traitors would be absolutely
panicked beyond belief.
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Yeah. I don't know what Armani would
do. I'd be gassed if it was me.
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If she was gone straight away,
I'd be over the moon as a Traitor
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that they've caught a Traitor
straight away. Yeah.
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Because the whole fact that now
there's only two of us,
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we can recruit...
Well, maybe, who knows,
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they might be able to recruit,
but for the rest of the game,
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now, everyone who had one inkling
of it being something
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becausejake's gone forward and
said, "I saw her move her head,"
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everyone's going to start saying,
"Because you sneezed, it's you.
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"So I need to go for you now.
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"Because it worked for Jake,
so it's going to work for me."
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So as a Traitor, it's sort of like,
well, you're going to be sweet,
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smooth sailing for
a couple of clays at least.
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Do you find yourself, Harry,
watching it now and not being in it,
230
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do you find yourself being on
the Traitors' side,
231
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or are you rooting
for the Faithful?
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Obviously we've got
another soldier in there.
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We've got another military person.
Yeah, I know.
234
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I can't wait to see how
that unfolds.
235
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Yeah. They seem really cool.
236
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But, yeah, look, I mean,
I'm branded for life.
237
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I've got a Traitor's tattoo
and everything now,
238
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so I'm going to be a Traitors'
number one fan, like, forever.
239
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So I'll always be on the Traitors'
side, even though there is that side
240
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of me that wants to be the only
Traitor to have gone and won it,
241
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so I don't know, yeah.
So it's a 50/50 right now.
242
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But of course I want the Traitors
to win in the end.
243
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Possibly the biggest surprise
was suspicion rising on Nathan
244
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after he suggested Linda
could be a Traitor.
245
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So let's have a look at how
that went down.
246
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It feels a bit strange to say,
247
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"I've not said this to anybody,
but I'm saying it now."
248
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Yeah, because it's not me saying
that I think she's guilty.
249
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It's, if there was one thing that I
could think of,
250
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that would be the only thing
that I could think of.
251
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That's all I've got.
252
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Genuinely, like...
253
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So he pointed towards Linda
as being a potential Traitor
254
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as Jake had done.
255
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And then everyone straight round
wheeled round on Nathan.
256
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Do we think it's because he's
wearing his outdoor coat indoors?
257
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He looks like
he's ready to go anyway.
258
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THEY LAUGH
259
00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,095
That was such
a rational explanation, though.
260
00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,655
Yeah. But it backfired on him
so badly.
261
00:10:30,680 --> 00:10:33,215
Once people sniff blood,
if someone does something,
262
00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:34,775
they're like,
"|'m going to leap on this.
263
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"And then I'm hiding behind the other
person who's making the accusation."
264
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Like Kasim said, you know,
seed of doubt.
265
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And once you use the phrase
seed of doubt,
266
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that gets to people, doesn't it?
267
00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,455
We've got loads of lies
flying around.
268
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And not just Keith saying that
he'd lied to his wife for 30 years,
269
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that he liked her
spaghetti bolognese.
270
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I love that as a pitch
to be a Traitor. Lovely Keith!
271
00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,175
Leanne is an ex-soldier,
272
00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,295
but pretending to be
a nail technician.
273
00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,335
Do we think this is good game play?
274
00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,495
Is this your fault, Harry?
This is what I want to know.
275
00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,535
Do people in the Traitors'
castle not trust
276
00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:08,175
members of the armed forces anymore?
277
00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,415
Yeah. I was thinking that when she
said, "No-one would trust me
278
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"if I told them I was a soldier."
279
00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,215
I was like, oh, gosh,
I hope that's not because of me.
280
00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,935
It's 100% because of you.
281
00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:18,215
Yeah, but, no,
I think it's a great idea.
282
00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:19,535
Obviously, I didn't do that.
283
00:11:19,560 --> 00:11:21,695
I wish I had said I was
a nail technician, but I probably
284
00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,535
would have messed up
somewhere along the line.
285
00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:25,535
But, no, I think what she's doing
is very clever.
286
00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:28,255
Like, I sort of had
that same sort of game plan.
287
00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,215
Mine was sort of act, act like
you're the youngest,
288
00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,455
sort of dumbest sort of vibes, like,
don't really know what's going on.
289
00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,095
Which was my whole play
in the turret.
290
00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,535
I knew exactly what was going on
all the time, so I was ahead.
291
00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:40,815
Ancl that seems what she's doing.
So I hope it goes well for her.
292
00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,335
Ancl obviously she was a soldier too,
293
00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:44,215
so I'm going to be supporting her
the whole way.
294
00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:45,655
We should discuss Charlotte quickly.
295
00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:47,935
Her thinking behind it,
I think, is that Welsh
296
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is a more trustworthy accent.
297
00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,015
You know, she's got a little secret
from everyone else.
298
00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,255
But what I would say is,
in the history of Traitors,
299
00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,495
there's been two Welsh people
in there before,
300
00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,695
and they have both been Traitors.
Yeah!
301
00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,815
It's not worked. So, like,
as a result of Andrew and Amanda,
302
00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,615
I don't trust Welsh people
anywhere now,
303
00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,535
let alone in the Traitors Castle.
I really don't get this.
304
00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:09,655
I've got to put it out there, like,
the people...
305
00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:11,775
Pretending to be a Welsh accent,
what's the point?
306
00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,295
Cos as soon as you're under pressure
and you wake up tired,
307
00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,615
you're not going to wake up as soon
as someone wakes you up from a nap
308
00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,255
and be like, "Oh-ah!" Like Welsh.
309
00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,175
Or however you say...
How would a Welsh person wake up?
310
00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,015
Harry, that was amazing, this whole time...
"How would a Welsh person wake up"?!
311
00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:26,895
You know what I mean...
This has blown my mind.
312
00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,775
This whole time you've been
pretending not to be Welsh?
313
00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:29,935
No, but I'm trying to say, like,
314
00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,095
you're not going to wake up
and be Welsh.
315
00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,695
You're going to wake up and you're
going to be like a Londoner
316
00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,895
where you're from. You're going to
speak like where you're from.
317
00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,495
So I just don't get why people
keep putting
318
00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,135
this added pressure
on top of themselves.
319
00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,135
Because as soon as you're under
a high pressure situation
320
00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,055
and you're hiding stuff
and you're lying,
321
00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,655
as soon as someone finds that out,
it's like, well, bang, you could...
322
00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:49,735
If you lie about that, you can
lie about being a Traitor
323
00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,135
and then you're a target
straight away.
324
00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,495
So I don't know why people do it.
325
00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,815
And of course, we have lovely Lisa,
our Anglican priest,
326
00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,375
who's keeping her identity
on the down low.
327
00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,375
As a viewer, I'm sat there thinking,
I bet I'd be able to tell
328
00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,415
she was a priest, even if
she wasn't wearing the dog collar.
329
00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:04,895
Why?!
330
00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:06,695
She's got big priest energy.
331
00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,175
That's a fact.
332
00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:09,935
Don't you think? Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
333
00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:11,815
Cos as soon as she took her
dog collar off...
334
00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,415
She still looked like a priest.
..she still looked like a priest.
335
00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,775
And then, now she's wearing...
she's wearing a crucifix,
336
00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,575
she's like, "I've got to put
something around my neck."
337
00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,935
And didn't she say "As God
is my witness" at the Round Table?
338
00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:22,215
She did. Yeah. Yeah.
339
00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,455
Now, there are some other
great players in the game.
340
00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,375
We're very excited to see
their journeys.
341
00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,815
We've got the barber, Tyler,
who's an old soul.
342
00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,815
Oh, yeah.
He loves musicals and bird watching.
343
00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,535
And also, he needs to stay
for a bit, at least until
344
00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:37,935
all of the people whose portraits
are at the top are murdered.
345
00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,335
Because he's the one
who has to get them down.
346
00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,775
We've got Keith, obviously,
professional window cleaner.
347
00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,015
As opposed to an amateur
window cleaner.
348
00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:47,655
It's good to get that ironed out.
349
00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:49,975
And jack.
Now, we need to remember jack,
350
00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:54,135
the mullet-wearing market trader
who got off the train early.
351
00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,015
Yeah. What's happening there, Ed?
352
00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:57,735
What's happening? Well... Come on.
353
00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,255
It was a huge twist.
That's why we're here.
354
00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,215
A huge twist for the first episode.
355
00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,935
So let's remind ourselves
of that moment.
356
00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:08,335
CLAUDIA: Listen very carefully
to what I'm about to say.
357
00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:09,815
My God, I'm shaking.
358
00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,815
Right now, there are 25 passengers
on this train,
359
00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:18,335
but there are only 22 spaces
in the game.
360
00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:24,455
So for three of you,
your journey is now over.
361
00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,295
Oh! That's quite good, isn't it?
362
00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,455
It's very good. It's brutal, though.
363
00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:29,815
Yes. It really is.
364
00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,775
How would you have felt
if that had happened to...
365
00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,295
I was not getting off that train.
366
00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,615
There's no way, man.
There's no way.
367
00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,255
I would have just sat there and...
Look, we've not even got 10K,
368
00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,255
so I would happily just let
the 10K...
369
00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,535
Ancl if we all turn up at the castle,
what's Claudia going to do?
370
00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:43,895
She's going to have to think
of something else.
371
00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:45,895
Like, we're all,
if we all stay here...
372
00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,415
Yeah, 25 of us, we're going to have
to start the game at some point.
373
00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,335
So, yeah, I would not have got off
the train.
374
00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:51,895
It's one of those things, though,
isn't it,
375
00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,215
where I would be thinking,
is it a double bluff?
376
00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:56,575
Yeah, I'm totally with you.
377
00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,455
I would get off because I would
think that it is a double bluff.
378
00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,535
But as far as we know at the moment,
they just got off the train
379
00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,295
and the train left, and we're never
going to see these people again.
380
00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,455
Fozia, jack and Alexander
have got off the train...
381
00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:09,695
Nah, we're definitely going to
see something.
382
00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:10,895
You reckon?
Yeah, 100%.
383
00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,295
Oh, I think jack is too fantastic
to go. They've not disappeared.
384
00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,175
I think they're all proper
characters, aren't they?
385
00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,015
It'd be a real shame
if we don't get to see them.
386
00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,735
It would be brutal, though.
THEY LAUGH
387
00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,095
If we don't see them.
Four people gone on clay one.
388
00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,335
Like that, "Bye, Baba! Bye!"
389
00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,775
I feel like this one's going to hold
so many twists and stuff,
390
00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,895
we just don't know it yet.
Cos that's the first,
391
00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,215
the final's already changed,
392
00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,055
four people have gone on clay one,
393
00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,455
so what else is going to happen?
It's crazy.
394
00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,735
So I think we've just about covered
everything from the launch episode
395
00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,335
except for our first
murdered player.
396
00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,535
We have a fantastic exclusive clip
of the moment Yin discovered
397
00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,215
who the Traitors are
and met the first banished player.
398
00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,335
But I'm afraid you're going
to have to wait until
399
00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,095
the next episode
of Uncloaked for that.
400
00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:55,295
For now, let's remember why
the Traitors decided to murder Yin.
401
00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,775
I think we're going to have to
kill off Yin.
402
00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,935
She's just got too much brains.
403
00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:02,935
Yeah, yeah. And I just see it being
a big pain in the arse.
404
00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,975
Yeah, we can't afford to
let that risk grow.
405
00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,935
OK, I'm with you.
406
00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:11,255
Our first murder, girls.
THEY GASP AND LAUGH
407
00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,255
And she's here with us now.
Welcome, Yin!
408
00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,095
CHEERING
409
00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,255
I never thought I'd be referred to
as a pain in the arse.
410
00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,855
I just... That phrase did not
cross my mind.
411
00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,535
How did it feel watching it back and
hearing that
412
00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,175
they chose to murder you
because you are smart?
413
00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,055
It must be bittersweet.
414
00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,255
Yeah, it's...it is.
Very devastating still.
415
00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,215
But I think the funny thing is,
416
00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,415
I honestly don't think
I came across as that smart,
417
00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,295
having now seen the episode.
418
00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,615
I think, if anything,
I looked confused.
419
00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,895
Like, a lot of shots of me
were just like...
420
00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,735
I was just like very perplexed,
right?
421
00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:50,415
Ancl that was deliberate.
422
00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,895
I will say that I'm not
a good analyst of my own,
423
00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,015
I guess, articulation
and howl hold myself.
424
00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,615
I can't really assess that
very well.
425
00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,775
Ancl so I must have missed out
on signals I was sending through
426
00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,375
even how I put sentences together,
427
00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,735
the words I was using, for example,
must have given away
428
00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,695
that intellectual side of it.
429
00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,615
Well, it wasn't even just the words
you were using.
430
00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,255
Oh...! Keith said at breakfast,
"She was clearly smart.
431
00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,415
"She was reading the books
in the library."
432
00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,575
Yeah, I...
THEY LAUGH
433
00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:20,255
Right. I... Yeah, I know...
434
00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,455
That was your fatal error, was
picking up a book in the library.
435
00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,175
Clearly. But that trap
was set for all the players.
436
00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,495
I think even Harry
had to read a book at some point
437
00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:28,655
in the library.
438
00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,255
A Shakespeare one, right?
Shakespeare? I had to find it.
439
00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,655
Trust me, I've never read
a book in my life. OK.
440
00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:35,455
Except from Biff, Chip and Kipper.
441
00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,255
My biggest tip -
do not read books in the library.
442
00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,255
Honestly, avoid the library.
443
00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,135
Now, also, you said you can tell
a lot by the way someone dresses.
444
00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:45,415
Do you want to... Absolutely.
445
00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,455
...give a quick analysis
of what I'm wearing today?
446
00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:52,975
You are casual, but you also want to
project a certain, like, uniqueness.
447
00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,375
It's... You've got a combination
of like that jacket
448
00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,735
with the dark trousers
and the boots.
449
00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:03,335
So you're absolutely stylish,
but the casual vibe is very obvious.
450
00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:06,015
So the goal is to make us
feel comfortable,
451
00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:08,335
as if we're in a sitting room
having a nice little chat
452
00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:10,535
about a murder mystery drama.
453
00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,295
She's got me. I...
Something like that.
454
00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,495
Do me, do me. Because it's about
communication, you see.
455
00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,295
Right? This is a show
about communication.
456
00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,535
Ancl through the portraits themselves
that are in that room,
457
00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:25,095
breakfast room, and how you dress
for clay one especially,
458
00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:28,335
you communicate more through
those two things, I believe,
459
00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:31,415
than through what you say or do
in that first clay, right,
460
00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,815
where there's so much chaos
and noise and so many...
461
00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,135
25 people this year, that's a lot
of signal from different people.
462
00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,935
But I think how you've chosen
to package yourself, the colours
463
00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:45,415
and what you're wearing in terms
of, is it a dress, a suit,
464
00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,815
is it slouchy, is it sharp-edged?
465
00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,655
It gives a lot away.
466
00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,775
Ancl sometimes it's what you want
to be perceived as,
467
00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,735
like Leanne with the Barbie look.
468
00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,775
In other cases, I think Dan had
a really interesting one where,
469
00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:02,175
like you, Ed, he had like a jacket,
but also very fancy dress shoes.
470
00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,295
So casual ancl like super formal
in the same look.
471
00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:06,895
Like, huh. It was interesting.
472
00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,455
Do you think you would have
been able to tell
473
00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,015
if you'd been at a breakfast
and everyone coming in,
474
00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:12,935
do you think you could have
picked out a Traitor
475
00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,735
by what they'd chosen to wear
that morning?
476
00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,695
Uh, nothing's 100%,
but I would have been
477
00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,455
able to increase my suspicions,
I think.
478
00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,535
I think... Or decrease.
The opposite is as useful, right,
479
00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,455
to be able to rule people out a bit
480
00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,255
is as useful as increasing
suspicion. I think so.
481
00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:29,735
Talking of the Traitors,
482
00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,215
how did you react to finding out
who they were?
483
00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,415
Because that must have been
a big moment for you. It was.
484
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,255
I was absolutely shocked.
485
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,175
Which actually proves that I think
murdering me wasn't the best move
486
00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,015
because I had no idea.
487
00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,135
So I viewed the entire thing as,
488
00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,855
I'm going to have this
spectrum of trust,
489
00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,695
like your Scoreboard Of Suspicion
490
00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,135
from the previous time
you did Uncloaked. Yes.
491
00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,255
We're no longer using
the Scoreboard Of Suspicion,
492
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,055
but thank you for watching
the first series.
493
00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,175
OK. Excellent to hear.
494
00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,975
Uh, in spite of that, Yin is
a very stubborn individual.
495
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,775
So I basically had this idea
in my head that I would calibrate
496
00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,255
visually on my wall
relative levels of trust
497
00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:08,815
I had in every other player.
498
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,295
I had Post-its, basically,
and they were colour coded.
499
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,455
So I think I had one colour
that was like, um, if it was yellow,
500
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:16,855
I had some inteL
501
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,415
I had interacted with the person
enough to be able to put them
502
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:20,695
somewhere on that spectrum.
503
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,295
Ancl if it was green,
I didn't have enough intel,
504
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,775
so they were kind of
in the neutral zone, right?
505
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,495
So I would, I would shift
the positions of those Post-its,
506
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,015
which had people's names on them,
to reflect the latest state.
507
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,935
Ancl that was...
It was, time was the key thing.
508
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,935
I'm gutted you went so early
because this is...
509
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,095
Cos you talked about
having a narrative... Yes! Oh, yes.
510
00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:41,295
...that you wanted to play out
and you've got all these Post-its.
511
00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,775
I mean, I would have loved
to have seen how that worked out.
512
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:44,895
Oh, thanks, Ed.
513
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,135
That's a lot of thought
going into everything.
514
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,335
I was about to...
My brain doesn't shut down, sadly.
515
00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:52,735
Harry, did you think that much?
I'm so happy I was a Traitor
516
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,615
so I could just go to sleep.
517
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,895
I knew what was going on, and I knew
who was a Traitor and who wasn't.
518
00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,735
So I could just sit there
and go to sleep.
519
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:01,695
I didn't have to do
all the Post-it notes and that.
520
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,255
I'm so sad for you that you came up
with all this brilliant stuff...
521
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,575
I know! ..and then got to the end
of the first day and went,
522
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,615
"Oh, no. They've done me.
523
00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,415
"I bought 8,000 Post-it notes.
What am I going to do with these?"
524
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,775
I also bought 51 kg of luggage.
525
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,735
THEY LAUGH
526
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,295
Yeah, they booked me
an extra suitcase.
527
00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,335
Ancl can you imagine me,
two massive suitcases,
528
00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:26,735
two carry-on shoulder bags,
trying to get to the airport?
529
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,175
It was hilarious.
530
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,095
That's incredible. The poor taxi man
had to, you know, help out.
531
00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:32,975
Oh, it was amazing though.
But the reason I did this was
532
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,015
because, again, going back to
the first sartorial point,
533
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,855
I wanted to be able to weaponise
534
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:43,695
and communicate through the clothing
that I was wearing and accessories,
535
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,095
my whole scarf collection,
ten pairs of shoes, etc.
536
00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:48,975
That was all deliberate, because
you can communicate so much more
537
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,815
through that than through
the actions and words I would say,
538
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,895
or at least as much, right? That's
why I had the arsenal prepared.
539
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,455
It was to have full flexibility
of communication. The arsenal!
540
00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,215
Well, let's just take a moment
to think,
541
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:01,855
to think about the outfits we lost.
542
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,455
Yin, would you have liked
to have been a Traitor?
543
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:09,735
Absolutely. I think I referred to it
as, um, a Trait-fuL
544
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,655
As in, I want to be a Trait-ful
545
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,055
if given the possibility.
546
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,735
Which basically means a Traitor
who has convinced herself so fully
547
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,455
that she's a Faithful,
that she's an excellent Traitor.
548
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:25,495
Because you have to believe the
story that you're telling yourself.
549
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,535
I wanted that narrative control.
That was it.
550
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,735
But we heard on the grapevine
that you had a bit of an alter ego
551
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,735
in the castle, and we've got
the receipts to prove it.
552
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,255
Oh. You're all in for a treat here.
This is absolutely fantastic.
553
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:37,575
Let's have a little look.
554
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,975
# Are you Faithful
or are you Traitor?
555
00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:49,935
# The signs are subtle
556
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,735
# I'm so unsure... #
557
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,215
# It's raining lies
558
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,335
# Hallelujah! It's raining lies
559
00:22:58,360 --> 00:23:00,575
# Every specimen... #
560
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,695
Long, short, strong and weak.
561
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:10,055
# Rough and tough
and full of Traitor speak! #
562
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,775
EMMA: Well done.
563
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,015
Fantastic.
564
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,815
So many questions, Yin.
565
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,055
Are these... Are these songs
that you'd pre-planned
566
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,015
before you went in,
or were you just riffing?
567
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,855
Both, both. They...
So they come to me.
568
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:30,015
I think communication is these clays
quite boring and not as playful
569
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,775
and whimsical and joyous
as it can be.
570
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,655
Ancl so one way I try to increase
what I communicate,
571
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,735
the information and emotion that
comes out is through singing, right?
572
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,695
Ancl also obviously the clothing
point, discussed previously.
573
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,215
Ancl so the whole point of this was
my game play was actually
574
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,695
to bring some of these musical
treats into the castle itself.
575
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,455
But they came to me
throughout my time in Scotland.
576
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,855
They just... The words just came
because they were the only way
577
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,375
to capture how I was feeling
in the moment about the experience.
578
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,495
Well, we've got a little task
for you if you're up for this.
579
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,175
Do you think you can write lyrics
to the Traitors theme tune?
580
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,895
Oh, the...
HUMS THEME TUNE
581
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,495
That one. We'll give you a bit of
time if you're up for it.
582
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,215
And then you can perform it for us
on the BBC Sounds
583
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,295
bonus episode of Traitors Uncloaked.
584
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:17,935
How do you feel?
I'd love to. Yeah? Yeah.
585
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,175
Result. I can't wait for that.
586
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,975
OK.
587
00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:26,015
Now, Yin, you witnessed
the first twist of the series.
588
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,175
The train turning around en route
to the castle
589
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,935
and three players having to get off.
590
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,135
What was it like in the carriage
when Claudia announced that twist
591
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,295
over the tannoy?
Uh, paranoia, I think.
592
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:41,935
Everybody went into fight or flight,
aka amygdala or Systems 1 mode.
593
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,575
I had predicted that everybody
would be self-preserving
594
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,295
and that we'd have to work out some
horrible way of kicking
595
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,535
or literally defenestrating someone,
like, out of the window.
596
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,095
That's what I thought.
That's what I thought, yeah.
597
00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:57,935
At least one carriage
would have done like
598
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,895
a straw-drawing system or like
a ballot. Yes, or, just,
599
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,095
everyone gives a three-second speech
and whoever's speech is the worst,
600
00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:06,015
like something horrid
like that, right?
601
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,415
I was not expecting that
every carriage
602
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,535
would have a carefully placed,
self-sacrificing,
603
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,455
like, Virgin Mary type figure.
604
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,215
Like, I honestly had no...
did not anticipate that.
605
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,415
That was the shock to me.
606
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,375
But it was everybody going into that
panic mode, the fight or flight,
607
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:21,615
I have to preserve myself.
608
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,215
I've only just got on the train
after so much, so much time spent
609
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,655
preparing for this experience,
610
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,335
and then to just have to leave
the train, just like that.
611
00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:31,215
Yeah. I mean,
how would you have felt, Harry?
612
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,215
I said I weren't leaving.
There's no way. Yeah, yeah.
613
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,415
I'd be holding on to the doors
like that.
614
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:36,615
They'd be trying to drag me off.
Exactly.
615
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,695
Now, of course, the big question is,
616
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,015
did you have any idea that Charlotte
was faking her Welsh accent?
617
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,775
No, I believed it.
618
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,055
Hook, line, sinker.
619
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,255
Yeah. Again, like,
am I really that smart?
620
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,855
Like, I honestly, I just...
I believed it.
621
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,215
Ancl you know why I believed it?
I'll tell you why.
622
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:57,615
She was wearing the most, like,
comfortable, cutesy outfits.
623
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,415
Again, it was the clothing.
624
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,215
Well, the first clay she was wearing,
like, these overalls
625
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,535
and, like,
a pink jumper with flowers.
626
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,175
Crochet flowers on it, I believe.
627
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,335
Ancl then she had the sheep,
the second clay in the blue, so...
628
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:12,375
You're like, "She must be Welsh,
she's got a sheep on her jumper."
629
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,775
Yeah. I just, I thought like
given her outfit choice as well,
630
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,015
it just fit that whole,
that whole, um, theme.
631
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,335
But also I think Elen
was convinced. Yeah.
632
00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:26,015
So I would outsource
my answer to Elen.
633
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,215
Was it difficult to, urn, like
be yourself,
634
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,695
like straight after people
were picked to be Traitors?
635
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,735
Like, how easy was it for you to
just kind of, like, get on and...
636
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,095
Act normal. Yeah, act normal, yeah.
Act normal?
637
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:42,495
I think the entire game, for me,
that whole experience, I felt
638
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,375
more authentic than I am
outside this context
639
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,335
in real life, which is crazy.
640
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:50,295
Like to friends and family and
colleagues, I have to put on,
641
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,615
project and perform
a certain version of Yin.
642
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,735
But, the version of Yin, I guess
the Yin-verness version of Yin,
643
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,535
if I can use that pun
on my own name,
644
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,775
was what you saw there.
645
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,015
Even that singing,
it's more expressive
646
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,975
of how I actually am on the inside.
647
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,335
So to answer your question,
there was, there was no...
648
00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:09,815
I wasn't putting anything on.
649
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,095
I was just behaving as I was.
650
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:14,815
There's a world somewhere
where you had an absolutely
651
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,215
incredible game of Traitors
and romped right to the end
652
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,775
because you're fantastic, Yin, we're
going to miss you very much.
653
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,055
A massive round of applause for Yin.
What an incredible player.
654
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,935
Oh, thanks, Ed. Thank you.
Thank you. Very kind.
655
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,535
Well, sadly,
we've run out of time here.
656
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,775
But don't worry, the chat
will continue on BBC Sounds.
657
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,975
We're going to put Yin's doctorate
to good use
658
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,735
and get even more intel
on the players.
659
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,455
And don't forget she'll be
performing her version
660
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:38,815
of the Traitors theme tune.
661
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,775
Plus, we'll be making
our predictions on
662
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,015
whether the Traitors
or the Faithful
663
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,815
are going to win
this series.
664
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,295
It's all in the bonus
episode of Uncloaked
665
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,215
in your BBC Sounds app
right now.
666
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,175
And if you think you can make it
further than the train journey
667
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,855
to the castle,
then maybe you've got what it takes
668
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,255
to make it on the next series
of The Traitors.
669
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,735
Yes, series four is happening.
670
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:04,095
Head to bbc.co.uk/takepart to apply.
671
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:05,975
We'll be back again after
episode two
672
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,375
to unpack all the latest goings-on
in the castle.
673
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,095
But if you can't wait another day,
674
00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:13,015
both the second episodes
of The Traitors and Uncloaked
675
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,815
are available to watch now
on BBC iPlayer.
676
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,495
A massive thanks to Emma, Babatunde,
Harry and Yin for joining me
677
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,415
and thanks to you for watching too.
678
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,855
I'm Ed Gamble. Stay faithful.
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