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to The Traitors: Uncloaked,

the official visualised podcast,
hosted by me, Ed Gamble.

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Coming up...

We have the exclusive moment

murdered Anna and banished Alex

found out who the Traitors are.

They'll both be here later
to discuss their time in the castle.

Plus, comedian, Strictly champion
and Traitor superfan

Chris McCausland and Series One icon
Amanda are here to pick apart

all of this episode's treachery.

And I'll be joined
by my new friend, Jean.

JEAN: I hate you.

Oh.

Welcome to Traitors: Uncloaked.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Chris and Amanda, welcome, welcome.
So there's so much

we need to cover today, guys.

The Faithfuls developing
some gameplay and tactics

to try and catch the Traitors out.

We've got the creepy and hilarious
doll's house mission,

where Jake picks himself up
a shield.

Plus, is Charlotte already
plotting to backstab Minah?

Let's remind ourselves of where
that episode left us hanging,

in the Traitors turret.

So it looks like
the possible options could be

Lisa, Jake or Joe.

Obviously, two are a massive risk.

One of them could have the shield,
and we could pick the one

with the shield.
In which case, that could

shake things up a bit
at breakfast. Yeah.

Lisa, Jake or Joe. So, obviously,
there's a bit of a risk there

because Jake's got a shield,

they don't know Jake has a shield.
Mm-hm. Amanda, do you think they'll

go with Jake,
or do you think they'll go with

the safer option? I think
they'll go with the safer option.

Do you think? Yes.

They seem quite brazen
about it, though.

They're like, maybe just take
a punt and see what happens.

Everybody else
in that group of Jake's

knows he's got the shield.
Is that right?

Apart from Alexander. Ah.
And they've specifically

not told Alexander... To see if he's
a Traitor or not. Wow, this is like

Coleen Rooney, isn't it, on, er...?
LAUGHTER

This is like Wagatha Christie
all over again!

Do we think that they've made
their first mistake, Chris?

Because I think we know
from previous series that

the only option should be splitting
the Traitors across two groups.

If they'd had a Traitor there,

they would have been able
to see who had the shield.

Well, I mean, everybody knows
you've got to split your Traitors.

Um, Minah did bow out gracefully.

Um, I think she's hoping
that's how it was taken,

isn't she? I think so. I think
she wants to speak, but also,

not cause too much trouble. I think
that's Minah's entire tactic.

Yeah. Do you think she's...
Do you think she's being

a good Traitor, Amanda?
As a former Traitor yourself.

I think she's playing it
really well.

Um, the only thing I think

is that, um, perhaps she's putting
all her eggs in one basket.

With Charlotte?
With sisterhood, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, the name of the
game is Traitors. Yeah.

Charlotte is going to definitely
throw Minah under the bus,

if she's got the chance.
If I'm honest, I find the way that

Minah's playing this game
both incredibly sexy and scary...

ED LAUGHS
..which I think makes it sexier.

LAUGHTER

But we do have another Traitor now.
We have Charlotte.

And I think....I was not
expecting this from Charlotte.

When Minah recruited Charlotte,
I was thinking, no,

she's not going to be good,
don't get her, she seems nervous

all of the time,
and she's taken to it so well.

It's like a different person
in there.

Well, she's impersonating
her language, for a start, so she is

carrying through with the lie,
isn't she?

So, yeah, I think she would be
easy to adapt.

Speaking of the fake accent, we do
have to ask you, Amanda... Yes.

..what do you think of
Charlotte's fake accent? Um...

LAUGHTER

Well, she's getting away with it,
but, yeah, I wouldn't tell her

to apply for a job sounding Welsh.

You know? Yeah. It's not THAT good.
LAUGHTER

I mean, if anything, yours is
the accent that sounds like it's

over the top. Listen, now, Chris...
LAUGHTER

Yours... If I was going to do
a fake accent, it would be...

MIMICS WELSH ACCENT: ..it would be
the one that was really,

really quite strong!
LAUGHTER

That was terrible, wasn't it?
That was so bad! Can we edit

that bit out? Yeah.
Chris, we are not editing that out.

She didn't really have a choice,
did she? No. You know?

Do you want to leave the show
and go home,

without anybody knowing that
you've made this moral decision,

or do you still want the chance
to win some money?

LAUGHTER

And it took her a while.

It took her a while.
She had to phone a friend.

LAUGHTER
Um, but she's... Her friend

had no idea who it was on
the other end of the line.

Yeah...
LAUGHTER

"Who do I know from Wales?" Yeah!

So, this episode was also
dominated by Alex

totally putting his foot in it.

Let's revisit that moment
in the kitchen.

I feel like looking at
Linda's voting pattern as well -

she hasn't thrown a Traitor
under the bus.

What do you mean,
she's not thrown a Traitor

under the bus? No,
we... Well, this is...

There's only been Armani
that got voted out.

She never voted
for Armani.

But how do we know she's not thrown

a Traitor under the bus? Well, we
don't know. There's only been...

Wait, wait, wait, wait.
I don't know if she hasn't.

From what we know and
the Traitors that we know of,

she hasn't thrown any of them
under the bus yet.

Very, very awkward. Yeah!
LAUGHTER

He knew, the moment he said it,

and he was like,
"Oh, what have I just said?"

I don't get this.
I honestly don't get it.

I thought what Alex said
was absolutely,

perfectly a normal thing
for a normal person to say.

I think when you're in the castle,
honestly, you're just getting

so paranoid that
if somebody mentions something

out of context, a bit strange,
like that, you just jump on it.

You think, well, why would...why
would they say that?

Yeah. We'll have to put you
in that castle. Yeah.

LAUGHTER

Would you go into
the Traitors castle, Chris,

and tell everyone you can see?
LAUGHTER

MIMICS WELSH ACCENT:
I'll go in like this and I'll say,

"Hello, everybody!"

How is the Traitors experience
for you, Chris, specifically?

You were saying, just before we
started filming, because you've got

the audio descriptions
and things like that. Yeah.

So I've been watching it and,
like, the audio description,

like, it tells you
all the stuff with the tasks.

And, you know, when it does
the Round Table at the end,

it'll say, like, you know,
"Minah puts her head in her hands."

I think they've just recorded that
once, and they play it

every episode,
because every episode,

"Minah puts her head in her hands."
Um, but do you know what?

There's so many people
and there's so many voices,

and it's so fast, with the little
theories they're all trading,

that it's taken me a while
to, like, get, you know,

get all of the people in my head
as much as I can.

How did you feel when the people
from the train came back?

You must have been like,
"Oh, not them..." Oh, more of them!

So you WOULD make a good Traitor.
I mean, yeah. I was the only one

that wanted to get rid of them
quicker than the Traitors!

Now, another big theme of
tonight's episode

was Leanne and Leon's relationship.

Uh, do we think Leon's decided,
post-Death Match,

that close friendships in the game
don't always work in your favour?

Chris, what do you think? He's just
gone all paranoid now, hasn't he?

Yeah. And, um, he's withdrawn,
which has made him more suspicious

to everybody else. Yeah.

Leon seems to have come out of
the coffin a different man.

I don't know how long he was
in there, but...he really seems

to have really had a think.
Perhaps we should ask

that question, you know?!

Um, yeah, he is.
He's just very wary of everybody.

Um, and it's coming through his body
language and he's saying it.

He should try and retract
and keep a bit quiet,

but still be wary of everybody.

Yeah. But he's been vocal about it,
and that's why

he's got suspicions on him, I think.

But I think Leon is, I think
he's going so mad with it all,

I think he might think that
he might be a Traitor.

So before we speak to Alex and Anna,
I do want to discuss this mission,

because this was... It felt
like one of the most twisted

in Traitors history.
Feels like they've just gone

absolutely wild now. The dolls
singing nursery rhymes backwards

that have to be relayed
to people in the house,

and then they have to rewatch...

This was written in a fever dream,
this challenge. Yeah.

I mean, these dolls,
I've actually got one of them here.

I've got my friend Jean here.

Um, Jean isn't particularly
pleasant, I would say.

JEAN: I hate you!

I mean... Oh, God!
I promise you that was a doll,

Chris, that's just not me, uh...
First of all,

my daughter would love that, right?

Um...

The kids love just horrible things.
LAUGHTER

And honestly, like, I would

trademark these dolls,
the I Hate You range.

Well, that's just Jean, you know,
that's the Jean range. Yeah. Yeah.

And we also had "I know where you
sleep" as well... Wow! ..which...

That's... "Your life is
going to be a failure!"

Yeah! That'd be like the
biggest selling doll at Christmas!

But then, obviously, some of them
had the odd backwards

nursery rhymes, though.
HE SPEAKS GIBBERISH

Yeah, which was really difficult.

Although I had Three Blind Mice.
I... You got...

You got that? Yeah,
I got that one. Yeah, yeah.

It must have been the Welsh
accent or something, was it?!

I thought Lisa had a good tactic
where, when she was singing

the reverse thing into the machine,
she just did the tune. Yes.

So when it was reversed,
it was just the tune.

So she wasn't bothering with
any of the...

HE SPEAKS GIBBERISH
Yeah.

MIMICS LISA
Vorsprung durch Technik!

Um... It's rare to see
Claudia laughing so much

in a mission as well.

She really was having
to stop the giggles,

because it was ridiculous. Yeah.

In fact, this is one of the things
that made her laugh the most.

# Sperber
Yuh, yuh, yuh, yuh

# Sperber
Wuh, wuh, wuh... #

I can't deal with this!

Alexander started
going all opera.

I was just stood there
on the porch

looking at Claudia,
thinking,

"I've lost my marbles.
What is going on here?!"

# Sperber
Yuh, yuh, yuh... #

Can I just say to anybody
who's watching,

Alexander is single!

You see what I mean?

That does sound like
a Welshman's valley choir.

Yeah, it does.
He put a bit of stank on it.

Yeah, it sounds like a goat herder
or something, doesn't it? Yeah.

On a mountain! Now, tonight, sadly,
we lost Anna, Charlotte and Minah's

first murder victim,
and Alex, who was banished.

Just before they join us
on the sofa,

let's get into the exclusive
moment where they discovered

who the Traitors are.

Agh!

No!

Oh, God.

Uh... Alex. What? This is crazy.

It's crazy.
I'm actually delighted it's you,

because I've got a lot of
burning questions. OK.

Are you a Traitor?

Do you think I'm a Traitor?

Like, all game, yes.
Right now, in this moment,

no, I don't think you are.

But, like, man,
I really hope you are.

Otherwise, it's really embarrassing.

OK? So, like, I kind of need you
to say that you are.

I am a Faithful. No!

No! We both have to be named

just the two most unlucky players,
like, ever.

We could have been
such good friends!

But now that you know that
I'm not a Traitor,

who do you think the Traitors are?

Potentially, Minah. Freddie.

Leon, Leanne.

Mm. Or someone who's evaded
a lot of scrutiny

that I have to think of now
is also Frankie. Mm-hm.

What about yourself?

Yeah. I think that Leon and Freddie
would definitely be quite good.

They are... Leanne was one of
my suspicions before I left.

But I also think that Joe did put
out a few titbits on the carriage,

being,
"Oh, I want to be a Faithful",

that perhaps that would have been
quite a good guise

to be the ultimate Traitor.

Are we ready to find out
who the Traitors are?

Yeah. I want to find this out.

Oh, God! This is it.

The first Traitor is...

Yes! ..Minah. Yeah!

Yeah!

I knew it!

Oh, my God! I knew it!

Do you know what? On the day that
I was going from the Round Table,

there was a couple of times,
like, people had kind of chucked

her name out and she looked
genuinely like

she was crapping her pants.
Man, all show,

I literally just, the only two
people I ever said were you and her.

So at least you got one of them
right. I was like,

"It's Minah." It's got to be Leon,
then. Right.

Shall we do it? We shall, indeed.
Let's do it.

You've got to say it. You've got
to tell me who it is!

You can't just sit there,
open-mouthed!

Is it Frankie? Is it Joe?

Is it Lisa? Who is it?

Who is it? Anna!

Charlotte. What?!

Oh, my giddy aunt!

As much as I've, like, redeemed
myself with my theories of you,

with the Minah theory,
I have truly embarrassed myself.

And they're here with us now.

Please welcome Anna and Alex!
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Thank you so much for coming on
Uncloaked. That was the most

entertaining video, wasn't it?
Yeah. So, I mean, yeah,

that's one of the most entertaining
ones we've had so far,

I think! We should just
do one of you two, like,

going through the news headlines
in the paper, reading them out

and going, "No!"

Um, even the shock at
Alex being a Faithful,

I've never seen anyone so angry
that someone's a Faithful.

Yeah. That was horrific,
because I was like,

"Anna knows I'm a Faithful, right?"
And they were like, "No."

And I knew that she was, like,
gunning for me so bad that honestly,

I would rather have been
anywhere else in the world

than walking through that door
to see Anna, because I thought,

she is just going to,
like, tear shreds out of me!

Yeah. Why...why were you so...

I mean, you were
suspicious of each other

at certain points of the game. Why
were you suspicious of Alex, though?

So I was suspicious of you
because you were suspicious of me.

Classic. It was like that
Spider-Man meme where, like,

everyone's pointing at each other.

But it was only because you were
suspicious of me, and I'd heard

a rumour you were suspicious of me,

but I hadn't heard you
bring it up at the table.

So I thought maybe you had
planted seeds, you know?

Ah, right. OK. Yeah. So...
And why were you suspicious of Anna,

Alex? Let's just get this all out
in the air now. Yeah.

Let's...let's get this out.
I feel it'll be good for us.

Um...

So I was suspicious of Anna because

initially, we were like,
we gelled, like, straight away,

and then it kind of, like,
fell apart a little bit,

and I was like, why was that?

And Anna just looked terrified
the entire time.

And I was like... It's the
expressive face. Yeah!

I genuinely was totally unaware
that I'm always like this.

Yeah.

And then obviously me and my bestie,
Lisa, um, were, like, chatting.

And she was like, "Did you see
that thing with the boat?"

And I was like,
"No! Oh, my goodness."

And like, honestly, anything that
comes out that woman's mouth

I'm going to believe.

"Why didn't you tie a knot?"

"I'm not a sailor!"

I just thought the friction
of the loose rope...

I don't know why I was the one
to throw myself off the boat, like,

honestly, like, anyone else
should have.

But a huge regret is trying
to help you guys.

You were obviously delighted to find
out that Minah was a Traitor.

Yeah. You got that right. Mmm.

And even in the shot we saw
where you got murdered, finally,

you looked down the camera
and said, "I think it's Minah."

She was my number one.

And I'd actually been thinking
of her for a while

for, like, just a couple of
different things she'd done,

had kind of been off, and I hadn't
quite brought them up

at the Round Table, which is a
massive regret.

But it's hard, because sometimes
you think...basically,

when you're in there,
the whole time...

I think I spent, like, 70% of the
time in my own head,

which I don't think I normally do.

So I always just thought
everyone thought it was me.

So because no-one was thinking
it was Minah, I was like,

"I may not bring her up because that
will just look like I'm a Traitor."

You know what I mean?

I don't know how to describe it.
There's a different vibe in there.

Does that sound right, Amanda,
for how you act? Yeah.

I think what happens is you try...
Instead of just getting into it

and playing the game, your first
thought is to save yourself.

Yeah. Yeah. So your initial thinking
and strategy

just goes out the window because...
Completely. ..you don't want to

bring attention to yourself
in any way,

so you...like the herd mentality.

You do jump onto what somebody
else jumps onto. Yeah.

You both seemed genuinely shocked
to find out Charlotte was a Traitor.

In your defence, she had just
been recruited the night before,

so that shock is understandable.
Yeah.

Yeah. But, Alex, do you think
Minah's made the right choice there,

with Charlotte? Yeah... Well, no.
I'm not sure!

You can be honest. Yeah.

Not entirely. I think that what
Minah's strength has been thus far

is that she had Linda, and Linda
needed somebody to lead her,

perhaps, you know,
but now she's picked Charlotte.

And I don't think Charlotte
needs anybody to lead her. No.

I think that's maybe...

You know, it's switched the dynamics
massively.

She's a wolf in sheep's clothing,
for sure.

Anna, how did it feel when the
Traitors finally caught up with you?

Because you've really been
through the wringer. Yeah, yeah.

It felt like I had been
through the wringer.

Honestly, I kind of felt like I was
getting into my stride. Mm-hm.

It kind of felt like I was living
on borrowed time.

You had the recruitment,
the failed recruitment. Yeah.

So obviously, after that,
you turned it down

and then you were constantly worried
that...should you tell someone,

and then when you told someone,

you're worried you're going
to be murdered. Yeah.

Next thing you know,
you're in a death match. I know!

It was honestly brutal, and do you
know what

one of the worst bits of that
for me was,

was that everybody was starting
to think it was me.

And I'm like, do you really think
I'm so horrible that I'd be like,

"Oh, yeah, not been recruited,

"Oh, I'm just going to keep her in,
put her in a death match"?

I mean, but people were.

You were very immersed in the game.

Like, I feel like you were approa...
Which I loved.

You were approaching everything
as if it was totally real.

Fully. Fully real. So when you came
out of that coffin,

I was like, "This is like
something from a Saw film."

You were so upset... I was shaking.
..shaking, which is so funny.

But, honestly, when else would
you have been in the coffin?

And then they got to Alexander,

who just sort of popped up
like, "Hello!"

Like a jack-in-the-box.

Just like, "Hey!"

Alex, I want to talk about
the slip-up. Oh, yeah.

The kitchen slip-up -

as Joe branded it! He went,
"He's done a kitchen slip-up."

It was just one of those things
like, you know, I could feel

for the whole day that the tables
were turning, you know?

Like, I'm not daft, you know.
Like, walking in rooms,

people are, like, walking out.

And I'm like, "Ah,
I see where this is going,"

like, you know?
And I was getting so nervous.

And, like, Joe can be quite intense
in his questioning sometimes.

So, you know, he's like,

"Well, who do you think it is?"
Or, "What's your theory?"

And I was just so nervous
in that moment that I just couldn't

quite articulate what it was,
so I did kind of stumble.

But if he had let me finish,
there was reasoning behind that.

But by that point, that was
the final nail in my coffin.

Like, there was no going back
from it.

And I just thought, "Do you know
what?

"I'm going to go down
absolutely swinging."

When I'm at that Round Table,

I'm just going to have to say all my
bits exactly, you know, how it is.

And it was like a great moment
of vindication for me there

at the end. How quickly did you
realise that you'd made a mistake?

Do you know what?
I almost knew it before I said it.

You see, I don't think
you said anything wrong.

I honestly... I was so annoyed
on your behalf. Yeah.

I don't think you said
anything wrong.

I think what you said was
perfectly normal. Absolutely.

And then everybody else jumped
on it because they were

desperate for something. Exactly.
What you said made perfect sense.

Well, that's what they do in there,
don't they?

It's one little half a sentence
in an unusual context or something.

Totally. Like, bang! I think
because... By the way,

I love Amanda going, "That's what
they do in there,"

as if she wasn't killing people
in there.

Frankie and Lisa were both very
upset about your banishment, Alex.

Yeah. It seems like you struck up
some really close friendships

with them. Yeah. Especially with
Lisa. Yeah.

Now, we should say, there's been
some rumours going around

that Lisa's your mum, in the media.

I don't know if you've seen this.
The thing is,

I received a text
from my sister saying,

"Why do you look more like
the priest on The Traitors

"than our mum?" And it's so true!

I looked at it and I was like,

"There's been a swap in the hospital
somewhere."

What a reveal
that would be on the show.

I know, right? Yeah.

We need the DNA testing done NOW.

But you did establish a lovely
relationship with Lisa in there.

Yeah. And there was one particular
moment that I wanted

to have a look at from this week.

Just wanted to say to you, I don't
know how it's going to go tonight.

I'm going to listen to the evidence.
Mm-hm.

I want you to know that I love you.
Uh-huh.

I'm not going to vote for you
if I don't have to. OK.

If you don't... Yeah.
But I love you.

And I think you're one of

the best people I've ever met.

Oh, thank you so much.

And I just want you to know that,

in case anything happens.

Well, if that's not the words
of a mother who regrets

giving their child up at birth,
I don't know what is.

So a little birdie tells me as well,
Alex, that you got married recently.

Congratulations. I did indeed.
Thank you.

And that Lisa came to your wedding.
Uh, yeah.

Lisa came at my wedding.

And so did Linda as well, actually.
They both did.

Um, yeah, we had came up with this,
like, elaborate kind of backstory

about when they were holidaying
one time in Scotland and, like,

put all this effort in and...

Of course, because no-one
at the wedding could know

who they were and how you knew
them. It was in September, so...

The lies continue!

I know, I know.

And I'm like, "Linda, don't spoil
this one. Come on!"

I can just see Linda
at the reception just going,

"And of course, we're on The
Traitors together." "Linda!"

So we had this whole story,
and I think we were all feeling

really nervous that someone
was going to ask about it.

Nobody even asked. But, yeah...

I don't want to jump in here
and like... She is a vicar, right?

There was an easier way
of getting her at the wedding.

Oh, it's only just occurred.

There was a role there
that you could have given her.

Damn it! And Linda's a retired
opera singer.

She could have done the reception.
Absolutely.

The best thing is, though, a couple
of months after, me and Linda

were in the back of the taxi
and she said,

"Oh, it must have been
such a good day, your wedding."

And I was like,
"Linda, you were there."

And she was like, "Oh, yes!"
She forgot.

You know, she's literally forgotten
that she was at my wedding.

That would have been a way better
technique for her as a Traitor.

I know! Deliberately forget
the turret every night.

That would have been perfect.
Yeah. Yeah.

So whoever gets murdered tonight,
we know it's not going to be Jake

because he got the shield
from the mission.

So let's remind ourselves
of the group gameplay

in the doll's house.

Just explain to me what the story is
behind the shield.

I got the shield. No, I know. Yes.
So what do you want us to say?

So I think we should say
one of us got the shield. Right.

But we're not going to say
who it is. Yeah. That way,

it protects everyone. The only
person that I haven't told

in this group is Alexander,

just because I don't fully
trust him.

How are you feeling
about the Round Table today?

I don't know. I mean, one thing
in my favour is that Linda

voted for me last night.
Yeah, that's what we said.

Any thoughts, Freddie?

People were thinking about either
you or Leon just because of...

Yeah, yeah. Of course,
it's always going to happen.

I love that moment where Jake
thinks he's telling

Frankie new information.
"Yeah, I know."

Yeah, "I've got the shield."
And she's like,

"Yeah, I know. Obviously."
She's the mum of teenagers.

You're not getting one over on her.

The way Jake got the shield,
and you sort of saw in his mind

he was trying to be subtle when he
was looking in the teddy bear.

And he goes, "That's not a doll.
What are you doing?"

And he's like, "Oh, I'm just, um,
looking for something."

I mean, this this does feel like
a good bit of gameplay, though,

doesn't it? Concealing it
from as many people as possible.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it gives
you the best chance to follow...

You did that a lot on your series.
Yeah, we did it a lot.

And it just really messes things up
for the Traitors,

to be honest. Yeah. It's very
inconsiderate of the Faithfuls.

Yeah, it's a huge swing from them

if they do actually go for someone
from that group. Yeah.

Well, I mean, it would totally
divert away from them.

Like, it's a really genius move,
if you think of it.

I hope they do, because Minah seems
to be saying,

"Well, even if we do go for someone
and they've got the shield,

"then it'll certainly stir things up
at breakfast." Yeah.

She just wants the world to burn.
I know! She's Heath Ledger's Joker.

She does not care.

Well, she's had a really lucky game,
you know, in the fact

that she's never really had...
Like, one thing that rattles you,

and I think it's really hard to get
back after you've been rattled,

is when you're accused at the Round
Table by, like, not just one,

but, like, a couple of people.

And like, once you've been accused
by a couple of people,

you are so rattled, and she's never
really had that experience.

Obviously, she had me saying
it was her,

but, like, no-one really cared.

So I just feel like she's
gotten overconfident now,

you know, like, she's played
an absolute blinder of a game.

But maybe she's getting a little bit
overconfident. That can happen.

Thinking she can get out of
anything.

I went ten, didn't I?
Ten without being questioned.

And then you do get... You think
you're getting away with it.

And then when you are questioned,
because you're not prepared,

it does throw you. Yeah.

What I like about this series
is that they're questioning,

um, why they're still in there, and
we haven't seen that before. Yeah.

They're saying,
"Who are we friendly with?"

Because the Traitors are keeping us
in here.

So why are we still in here?

Whenever I see that, and I think
everyone said it at some point

in the castle, I do think it
has a lot of main character energy.

I know. To me, it does feel
like people going,

"Well, you've just got to think,
why am I still in here?"

It's like, maybe they've forgotten
about you.

I was terrible for that.
Absolutely terrible.

So, Anna, you have the rare
distinction, of course,

of being at the receiving end
of an attempted recruitment.

I know. Did that feel powerful
when you turned that down?

Did I look powerful?

Well, I just think it must be...

I think when the Traitors try
and recruit someone, they assume

they're going to say yes, and that
they're in control.

You know what? For a minute,

it kind of did feel like these
people have been pulling

the strings and they've been
in charge of everything.

And for once, I get to make
a decision and I get to...

And I really felt powerful
in saying, like,

"They don't know my next move,"

because the whole game I was like,
"I don't know their next move."

I'm just kind of a pawn
in this game in so many elements.

And for once I was like,
they don't know my next move

and they don't know who I've told.
They don't know IF I've told
someone,

they don't know IF I'm going
to tell someone. Like Linda said,
I was a ticking time bomb,

and I like to think I rattled them
a little bit because, you know,

they've been really rattling me
like, you know. For sure.

I mean, when you walked into
breakfast the next morning... Yeah.

..and they were obviously expecting
a big announcement

from you at breakfast, maybe.
You know what?

I really thought about it.

I thought about walking
in and saying, like,

"I've been recruited," but I think
we've seen that gameplay before.

We have. And it doesn't go well.

And I kind of thought to myself,
"You know what?

"As I said, I'm going to go out
one way or another this evening.

"So what I'm going to do is, I'm
going to tell a person

"who I truly think is Faithful,
and that way when I die,

"they'll be able to reveal
that at the Round Table."

The reason they wanted you, though,
is cos your time was numbered.

You were a sacrifice.
Absolutely. That's what you were,

so they could go... When you get,
you know, voted off,

people think they've got a Traitor.
Yeah.

And I knew that that was going
to be the case.

I stand by my decision of not taking
it, because I think I did get

an extra three days in there.

I got a got a chance to bring up
Minah's name.

And I do think, you know,
hopefully they follow the clues.

Alex, if you'd been recruited,
what would you have done?

I think at that point I could
already feel a shift in the dynamic.

So I think I would have turned it
down.

However, if it was earlier on
in the game, I would have loved

to have played as a Traitor,
because it feels like a role,

and it's a bit play-pretend,
and I love all that sort of stuff,

you know what I mean? Drama.

Yeah, like creating a bit of drama,
and it's not really you,

but when you're a Faithful,
and I'm sitting at that Round Table

and people are going, "Oh, you're a
puppet-master, you're manipulative,"

and I'm like, "I'm just me, guys.
OK?" You know what I mean?

Like, I was just playing as myself,
and I felt like I was getting, like,

strips ripped out of me, like,
all the time.

So I think I would have loved
to have played as a Traitor.

If you were made a Traitor,
who would you have killed? Everyone.

Everyone in one... Yeah.
Every single one of them.

Look, we have to leave it there
for now.

But, Anna and Alex, thank you
so much for coming on.

You've been absolutely brilliant.
Thank you for having us.

And a big thanks to Chris
and Amanda, our wonderful guests.

Now, if you're craving more, then
we're all going to stick around

and continue the chats
on BBC Sounds.

It's all in the bonus episode
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