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Welcome to The Traitors: Uncloaked,
hosted by me, Ed Gamble.

We are now at the halfway point
of the series,

and boy, oh, boy,
is there a lot to unpack.

And you know the drill by now -
it's spoiler warning time.

If you haven't watched episode six,
do that right this second.

I mean it!

Then you can come back here.

OK, spoilers are happening...now.

Coming up, we have the exclusive
moment Livi and Dan met

to find out the identity
of the Traitors.

They'll both be here later

to discuss their time
as Faithfuls in the game.

Plus, to dissect the latest episode,

I'm joined by comedians
Tom Allen, Sophie Willan,

and Series Two Traitor Paul.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Tom, Sophie, Paul, thank you so much
for joining us on Uncloaked.

Thanks for having us.
It's good to be here, yeah.

Thank you. Lovely to have you.
Thank you.

Now, I want immediate
first reactions to that episode.

Paul, how are you feeling
after that, that mad episode?

It's just insane, isn't it?

We're two seasons in, so you would
think that you would kind of learn

patterns and behaviours and stuff,
and it's just...it's the same.

People are just losing their minds.
Yeah. It's amazing.

It's beautiful to watch.

I love Linda.

Yes. Well, we love Linda.
I'm just a big fan of her.

Yeah, we love Linda here, as well.
Yeah.

It's just like watching an owl,
in't it?

She looks very like an owl.
THEY LAUGH

Yeah.

We've not said that on Uncloaked,
actually,

that it's like watching an owl.
Constantly going...

There's nothing subtle, is there?

Mm. Casual. I think it's
very casual. Yeah. At some points,

I have wondered if she actually
knows what show she's on. Yes.

I think at one point
she was looking

for Lord Sugar in the boardroom,

I think she saw Claudia and thought
she should do a paso doble.

But it doesn't matter, does it?

Cos she's a wonderful character

and I just want her to stay in
all the way to the end.

Look, we've got loads
to talk about...

Yeah, but is it Linda or not, Ed?
Yeah, yeah.

Cos I'm really here
for the Linda chat.

Can we stay on Linda?
Maybe 10 more minutes.

Maybe 10 to 20 more minutes. I've
got other things written down here.

The Ceremony Of Truth mission

and all the drama
that came from that, of course.

The Traitors' secret task -
which, don't worry, involved Linda.

Yeah, yeah. Thank goodness.

But first, we do have to talk
about the Deathmatch card game.

Ooh, that was a good one.
That's how the episode closed. Yep.

That was camp, wasn't it?
But a brutal game.

The idea of leaving the castle
at midnight,

getting in the car and being driven
somewhere else. Yeah.

What must they have been thinking?

Quite frightening, actually.
Yeah. Going over that bridge.

Yeah. You could have been thinking,
"What's happening here? Am I...?"

Yeah. Yeah. "I've been kidnapped."

"I'm being kidnapped by the driver."
Actually murdered. Actually.

Yeah, you never know.

Although Alexander was
quite relaxed in a way

that a man who's been involved in
conflict resolution would be. Yeah.

Right? Yes. I love him.
Just being driven somewhere

going, "Oh, dear,
this doesn't look good." Yeah. Yeah.

"This-this is happening again."

Yeah. So we got down
to Leon and Fozia

are the two remaining players
in the Deathmatch. So exciting!

Who do we think the Traitors
are hoping for,

to lose the game, to murder?

Yeah, cos it's the chance, isn't it?

Because obviously Linda
wants Fozia gone. Yes.

They should have killed her
at the first given opportunity,

as soon as you come into the show.

Ooh! From a former Traitor's
perspective. Yes.

No-one would question it.
Cos she's sharp,

she knows what's going on -
and she's on Linda's tail.

Yeah. Yeah. So...
But now it's down to chance.

Leon's a lovely fella.
I think, you know,

putting them two in there
is quite wise, I think,

but if Fozia does go, all eyes
kind of will go to Linda. Yeah.

Sophie, who do you think
the biggest loss would be

to the Faithful
out of Leon and Fozia?

Oh...

Er... Ooh!

I think Leon. Yeah.

Cos he's quite a loyal lad,
in't he? He's got a good energy.

Yeah. And he's... Obviously,
you can read his face very well,

cos he hides nothing. Yeah!
So, that's quite helpful, in't it?

Yeah, that's true, actually. Mm.

Of course,
the Deathmatch was a result

of the Traitors' secret mission.

Let's remind ourselves when
they had to find the peacock quill.

You all right, Linda?

Yeah.

QUIETLY: Have you got the quill?

No. Looked for it and I can't...

I've looked around,
I can't see it.

These two! I feel, like, drained.

Somebody's coming.

We are literally

the worst ever players

in the history of this game.

Not coming yet.

Look for it and I'll tell you
if somebody's coming.

She's so good!

This is it! I'll sit here.

Aah! It's there.

Oh! There we are.

I mean, wonderful, wonderful
slapstick stuff.

A total farce.

"I'll tell you if they're coming!"

She got the better role, didn't she?

She did that well, Minah.
Yeah, she did. She could be...

I mean, there was a moment later

when Linda was writing
the names down,

when Minah says, "If someone's
coming, I'll just cough loads."

Yeah! Yes, I loved that!

That didn't work for Charles Ingram.
I don't think...

Good reference, Ed!

Very niche. Very up-to-date.

I love this podcast
for this nicheness.

You can do that on a podcast!
I love it.

Paul, obviously, in the last series,

you were part
of the Fizzy Rose Mission. Yes.

You had to find
the poisoned chalice...

Yeah, stressful.
..and give it to someone.

Stressful... Yeah.
..took a long time.

Took us a long time. Yeah.

So what do you make of this year's?
I thought it was amazing.

I didn't know how
they were going to top...

Because, obviously,
when you kind of see the...

..like, the pre-announcement,
that there's going to be something,

I was thinking,
"Well, they're not...

"They can't really
do another chalice again,

"it can't really be a poison again,
so what are they going to do?"

So, yeah, so I thought
maybe it's like a hug

or it's a tap or something -

but, yeah, to write a name -
four names - was just, um...

Yeah, that was lovely.
I would have loved to go with that.

But we wouldn't be able
to find a pen.

No, I mean, you guys
struggled to find

the complete works of Shakespeare,
was it, on the, on the shelves?

Well, he's kind of a niche writer,
isn't he?

Again, talking about niche stuff...
So niche!

Macbeth, Macbath,
whatever it was called. Yeah!

I'd have to tell Harry
what a quill was first.

Now, the secret mission
wasn't the only brutal thing

to happen in this episode.

The Ceremony Of Truth -
also particularly savage.

Oh, yeah! Already knew
it was going to be a good one,

because Claudia was sat on
the shoulders of two massive men.

What a start. Yeah.
Two absolute giants.

Paul, you weren't one
of those men, were you?

It was me and Tyler. Yeah!

THEY LAUGH

Was this the most savage mission
yet, do you think?

Well, I thought it was...
I think the masks are camp,

I think capes are camp... Yeah.

..and I think that throwing shields
into a fire is very camp.

Yeah! So I would say
it wasn't terrifying. Yeah.

I think the whole thing of, like,
"Is it correct? Is it not correct?"

all that, that's fine, that's fine,
but I think the real gameplay

obviously is when we got...
when we got back to the castle

and everybody's like,
"Well, was it you or not?"

and they're like, "No, it wasn't.

"It was me. It was me."

And I thought that Dan
unfortunately made a mistake

by not owning up to it
straight away.

Well, I get the tactic
of picking people

who would not think it was you,

cos the whole plan
is to get a Shield.

You don't want people
to pick you out as the person

who poured the Bovril
over the top of you.

Mm. So I understood that,

and then the option was there
to not tell people. Yeah. Yeah.

But you think Dan
should have been open and honest...?

Well, I think once one person
started telling the truth

about who'd done what,
I think you may as well all do it,

because otherwise you're going to
look like a liar.

But I would never
have kicked him out,

because he hid that
he wanted the Shield,

so he's clearly not a Traitor.
Yeah, exactly.

That's a valid point.
If he was a Traitor, he'd have gone,

"I wanted the Shield,
and it was me."

Yeah. He would have...

Or he wouldn't have even
fought for it at all.

Now, another huge thing
that happened in this episode

was Anna deciding to reveal
at the Round Table

that the Traitors
tried to recruit her.

She's going to get murdered soon.

Let's just get it over with.
Cos is that a mistake?

Do we think that's going to happen?
Because... Big mistake. Yeah, yeah.

She should have revealed it straight
afterwards, do you think, Paul?

Straight after, yeah. Yeah.
There and then, at breakfast.

"Listen, guys,
I'm going to put my hands up,

"even though there's going
to be suspicion on me,

"they tried to recruit me." Yeah.

I think if I was her
and I got that letter,

I'd be like, "Oh, they've said
independent woman."

Now, the only people who
celebrate that are girls and gays.

Yeah, I would have...
I would have written that.

You would've written that to me,
wouldn't you? Mm. I did, actually.

I feel like this is, like,
females empower language, in't it?

Yeah. You know? Yeah, I think...

So I'd have gone,
"Right, it is a female,

"cos someone has
said strong female."

Elen said that earlier on. Yeah.

Yeah, that's-that's
really interesting,

to read into that phraseology. Yeah.
Mm. Yeah.

But, yeah, she's-she's not
worked that out yet.

Paul, how difficult
is the decision of recruitment?

Do you have to think about every
eventuality for the player you pick?

Yeah,
and it's-it's already happened,

like, you've got to think
of the people that will say no.

So, like, Diane was one of them.

Could we recruit Diane?

She'll say no.

Zack was another one,
cos he's a very bright boy,

very similar to Dan. He'll say no.

So you've got to pick someone

where you definitely think
they will say yes,

and then our thinking was
we need a patsy,

so, for example, we brought
Andrew in because we... Sorry,

for a moment there I thought
there was someone called Patsy,

and I was like... Yeah!

..I know there's a lot of
people in it, but who was that?!

Sorry, Paul.

Because you selected Andrew...
I selected Andrew. Yeah.

..and the first thing that happened

was Andrew took his hood
off and went,

"You're going to throw me
under the bus, here."

Yeah. Exactly right, yeah.
He knew, didn't he? Very awkward.

That was quite smart. He knew. Yeah.

Well, don't worry, guys,
it's time for more Linda chat.

Ooh! I don't think I've got
anything left to say

about the poor woman, really!
Well, let's...

Let's have a look at this clip
of Linda after Livi was murdered.

Oh, God. She's my little girl.

Oh...

She knew, though, didn't she?

Why is Linda crying?

You OK?

SHE SNIFFLES

Yes, Fozia!

Everyone's staring at her.

Just rein it in! Rein it in! Yeah.

Oh! Stop it, Linda,
you'll set me off! Yeah, bless her.

That was...

MOCK SOBBING: "She was like
a daughter to me!"

Yeah, it's too much.
That was an amazing moment,

because she even says,
in the Turret, to Minah,

"Oh, I'll probably
I'll get a bit emotional

"because we were very close,
me and Livi,"

and then cut to her saying,
"She was like my little girl,"

and immediately everyone going,
"Why's Linda crying?"

Yeah! Yeah! "What's going on there?"

I like that Jake...
She didn't speak to her, did she?

..has just got a whole campaign
against Linda, hasn't he? Yeah.

Yeah. He's like Linda's detective.
But he's right...he's right to -

at the moment, it's
an unsuccessful campaign, but...

But this is the thing where, like,
Jaz had it, and Maddy had it -

it's not what you know,
it's what you can prove.

Mm. So, like,
it doesn't matter if he thinks it,

he needs more than half of the group
to vote it. Yeah. Yeah.

So, as long as they aren't doing
that, then leave him in the game.

Mm. So, yeah, it's really...
It's barmy that she's still here.

Yeah. You say barmy, I say...
fabulous!

Highly watchable.

The thing is, with Linda
and that that performance,

I feel like every time
Linda does something,

I'm like,
"Linda, come on, this is not good,"

but it's working. It works.
She's still...she's still in there.

Yeah. People... I think, now,
people seem to be like,

"That's a bit suspicious,"

but I think a lot of people
are going, "That's just Linda."

Yeah. Yes! You've got...
They're getting used to her.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I guess I was kind of similar.

Like, when I watched it back,
it's so obvious that it's me.

I'm screaming at the telly,
"You've got to go and find him."

You have got a bit more insight,
though, I think, now.

Yeah. Maybe so. Yeah...

Well, Livi and Dan
will be with us shortly

to answer all of
our pressing questions,

but first it's time for
an exclusive look

at the pair meeting the day
after they left the castle

to find out who the Traitors are.

Oh! Oh, my God! Hello!

Come here.

Good to see you.
Oh, my God, and you!

Oh, my God. Yes.

What the hell happened
yesterday morning?

To be honest, I think most people,
myself included,

weren't surprised
that you were gone. Yeah.

Cos I think you were
such an obvious Faithful. Aww.

Particularly after, you know,
how you reacted when Tyler went.

Yeah. So why do you think
you got murdered?

I feel like I could have potentially
been a threat to the Traitors.

I feel that's why. Mm-hm.

Right. I'm desperate to know!

Are you a Faithful or a Traitor?

What do you think?

I feel like you're a Faithful.

I am a...

..Faithful.

I'm happy about that, though!
Yeah. I'm happy. You got it right.

Oh, my goodness.

Well, at least you didn't kill me!
I know, I know.

How many Traitors do you think
are in the game still?

My gut is that they started
with three, lost one with Armani,

tried to seduce, that didn't work.

I'm going to say three
that are still left in.

What do you think?

I have a feeling four.

Who are those four Traitors?

Freddie.

I think Linda.

I think Leon's been summoned.

And then it's like a maybe between
Leanne or Frankie...or Minah.

I'm all over the place!

But who do you think?

So I think there's three.

I think Alex.

I think maybe Minah.

And then I just think maybe,
like a left-field pick, like Joe.

I don't know, like,
I just think that Joe

would be a perfect recruitment pick.

Are you ready to find out
who the Traitors are?

I'm not sure, but let's do it.

Linda!

I knew it!

Crafty little lady.

You're right. Linda.

Bloody Linda!

Jake, as well, suspected.
Jake was right from the beginning.

He must be Faithful.

Oh, my God, I literally said -
she was next to me,

I was like, "She's looking sweaty
and she's looking..."

Oh, wow.
"..like she's just been picked."

Are you ready to find out
who the next Traitor is?

Let's do it.

Oh, my God!

Who's that? Minah!

There's only two?!
There's only two.

Freddie's not a Traitor.

Oh, Minah. Minah!

The crafty little...

Oh, my gosh! You know what?

I do not feel bad now
for dunking her in molasses.

I just can't wait to see Freddie

and just bloody give him
the biggest hug.

But I really hope him and Anna win.

And Dan and Livi are with us now!

THEY CHEER

Welcome. Thank you. Welcome.

Now, we saw you find out
who the Traitors were in that clip.

Dan, you seem very surprised
about Linda. I was.

Now, this is interesting,
because from a viewer's perspective,

no-one should be surprised
that Linda was...

The thing for me was that,
at that very first Round Table,

Armani said, "I wonder if
there's an older woman..." Yes.

"..Traitor," and then when she was
revealed to be a Traitor,

I was like,
"Well, it can't be Linda now,

"you wouldn't throw heat
on another Traitor..."

No. "..that fast."
No, no, no. Unless you were Armani.

Yeah, unless you're Armani! Yeah!

But, yeah, the head turn from Linda,

which I think so far is the only
evidence that anyone has,

seems-seems to have been ignored.

She fooled me. Yeah, she fooled you.

Did you ever think
it was potentially her?

I'm quite rigid in my thinking
at times,

so as soon as that happened
at that first Round Table,

that cleared Linda
for the whole time for me.

Oh, wow, yeah. So I didn't even
look at her again.

Plus, she and she and I
were sat next to each other

and we had that little
sitting-next-to-each-other alliance

the whole time. So, I don't know
if you felt the same, Paul,

but sometimes you just don't want to
go for the people

who are sat next to you, as well,

you've got, like,
a natural affinity for them.

I killed Kyra
that was sat to the left of me,

but... I see. ..I'm sure
normal people would feel like that.

Yeah. Faithfuls.

You suspected Linda, possibly,
didn't you, Livi? I did, yeah. Yeah.

So I had a game plan, and I always
wanted to be a Faithful,

and I always imagined making friends
with one of the Traitors

who I suspected,
because then I thought

maybe I'm then a little bit safe
from murder. Mm-hm.

And because Linda was next to me,
and we kind of did...

I mean, we did grow
a little bit of a bond,

she was... Like, when I was upset,
she would console me

and things like that,
so I was like, "Do you know what?

"She's the Traitor I'm going to try
and be friends with,"

so I wasn't shocked by that.
Wasn't shocked.

Did you grow enough of a bond,
would you say,

for her to break down and say, "She
was my little girl," at breakfast?

You lost your mum at this point!

I know, I know, I know!

I was shocked at that.

Um, but that wasn't...

That doesn't mean we didn't have,
like, a relationship in there.

We did, but I wasn't...
We saw you, like,

you were being comforted by her
in the corridor...

Yeah, by the cheeky Traitor. Yeah.
Yeah, but she, um...

"Cheeky Traitor"!

She...but I...

Yeah, like, I mean, we were close,

but not as close as, like,
me and Tyler, me and Leanne -

like, we didn't have
that kind of relationship.

So to see her break down like that,

I was a bit like,
"Oh, my gosh, Linda!"

She went for it.
Yeah, she's great. She is good.

Obviously,
Minah is the other Traitor.

Dan, you were very close to Minah.

I was. We saw we saw a lot of chat

about you saying, "The Traitor
could be someone close to me.

"I'm really getting on with Minah,"

but not necessarily
linking the two things.

I know. Those last couple of days
I was in there,

I started to slowly
put the pieces together,

and I was like, "It's got to be
somebody I'm close to,"

and the people I was closest to
were Minah and Alex at that point,

but I'd burnt my bridges
with a few other people

that I could have gone
against them, like Anna.

So, er, yeah, I did feel
a bit helpless that last day.

Do you think if you stayed in there,
you would have got to Minah?

I mean, I was going at everybody
so hard,

like, boomeranging around the cast.
Yeah, yeah.

I would have found her eventually.

Now, Livi, we also saw your reaction

to finding out that Freddie
wasn't a Traitor.

I know, honestly,
I still can't get over it now.

It's awful. Yeah! It's awful.
I was gunning for him.

Like, I feel terrible. I need to
give him a massive hug and just...

Look, you weren't the only one.
Yeah.

We've been having a lot of chats
on Uncloaked

with players who've come out,
even before opening the thing,

and gone, "It's definitely Freddie.
Freddie's killed me."

Oh! It's not.
Why were you so set on Freddie?

I mean, Maia,
as soon as she came running in,

I was like,
"Right, it's deffo got to be him,"

but it was more him
kind of looking at me...

Like, he would look at me
and then be like...

..and then look away.

He would just give me the side eye
all the time,

and he did actually say to me,

"Liv, it's cos you were literally
suspecting me the whole time." Yeah.

So he would look at me
to see if I was looking at him,

and then as soon as I was,
he would look away. Right, right.

Um, and just what he said to Maia,
and just kind of... I don't know,

I guess he gave me,
like, Harry vibes

where I was just a bit like,
"It could be him." Ah! Yeah.

Um, although that would
probably be, like, too obvious.

So, like, now I look back, I'm like,
"Why was I gunning for him so much?"

And I picked the wrong...
the wrong person.

I should have just gone for Linda.

Yeah. Well, thank God you didn't.

That little clash that you had with
Freddie to do with the clique.

Oh, I know, God.
He suggested you were in the clique

with the rest of those guys,

and there was that slightly
fraught argument.

How does that feel in that moment?
Couldn't deal with that, could I?

As soon as I heard "clique",

I was like, "Right,
who do you think you are?"

I was like,
"There's no clique here!"

I didn't think cliques
were, like, a bad thing.

I just felt like
he was kind of isolating us

where it was, like, almost like
we don't talk to anybody else

or we're not friendly
with everybody else,

and, like,
I talked to a lot of people -

like, me and Anna had
a really good relationship,

me and Linda had
a good relationship.

Of course, the greatest. Like, there
was a lot of relationships in there.

We just kind of gelled
a little bit more,

and that's not
because we're a clique,

it's just because we had
the same suspicions.

Yeah. Yes. Well, I thought we did,

until they absolutely
blindsided me at the table.

But we did have the same suspicions.

So, it, like, worked well
that we kind of like...

..we were just together a lot

because we would be talking about
who we thought the Traitors were.

Um, so, yeah, I think, "clique",

I was like,
"Right, let's just settle this."

Someone you weren't certain
was a Traitor, Livi,

was, of course, Tyler.
And if you can bear it,

let's check out your reaction
after he was banished.

No-one's listening to me.

I've literally got to
get out of here for a second.

I'm, like, gagged.

How did we get that so wrong?

I think that was...
that was a real moment...

Yeah. ..because you were so sure
Tyler wasn't a Traitor... Mm-hm.

..and the rest of the...
the "clique", sorry -

um, they all went for him,

and I think that was the moment you
were cemented as a Faithful... Yeah.

..I don't know if you'd agree
with that, Dan, in that room.

Absolutely. Yeah. I mean,
I never had any doubts about you

the whole time... Yeah, yeah.
..but you were just so convinced...

Yeah. ..he was a Faithful
that that just reinforced it for me.

It was... It's sad to watch back,
because it was just so intense,

and I felt like
if they had just pulled me aside

and said, like, "Liv, like, we're
going to go for Tyler tonight,

"like, what do you think?"

and, like, gave me a chance
to kind of like, I don't know,

like, back him a little bit, because
I spent a lot of time with him,

so it's frustrating - although
I got it so wrong with Freddie,

I just felt like
no-one was listening

and no-one was kind of getting it.
But then that is the game.

Having met him now,
I just think, how could anyone think

he could do anything bad
ever in his life?!

I know, and this is what I thought!

We all thought that about Harry,
though, didn't we? Yeah.

Dan, obviously,
coming under scrutiny

at the Round Table like that,

what's that feeling like
when it's building against you?

I mean, similar to Tyler,

I wasn't really expecting
to get heat at that Round Table,

cos I hadn't heard anything
from anybody that day.

I think everything was happening
behind the scenes.

In the build-up to that,
this is what's really interesting,

is they said,
you don't have to tell everyone.

That was part of the game. Mm-hm.
And then you didn't do that.

And I think initially people
didn't really have a problem

with someone not saying it...

Yeah. ..but as soon as you get
to the Round Table,

everything gets blown
out of proportion, doesn't it?

It does, and I think Alexander

sounded like he was about to stitch
me up, as well, in that moment.

You jumped in, you jumped in quick.
I was like, "You know what?

"Forget this.
I can't be arsed any more.

"I'm just going to tell the truth."

Cos I could just feel
the momentum coming my way.

Yeah. I was like,
"I'm going to take control of it,

"cos I don't want him
to land me in it."

He went full diplomat, as well,
cos he was going,

"How valuable would that piece
of information be?"

Exactly. So arch, it's brilliant.

It was, actually. So...

But I think the way you played
the game, Dan,

I was punching the air
with some of the things you said -

just, like, you're the only one
honest enough to go,

"Well, we're all in it
for ourselves, right?"

Exactly right, yeah.
That's the whole point of the game.

Like, everyone else is, you know,
playing along

with this weird convention in there

that you have to say,
"We're all doing it for the team,

"we're all raising the money,
we're all in it together,"

and you're the only one early on
who just went,

"No, I'm not, I'm...
I want to win."

Exactly right.

I think one of the only Faithfuls
to get voted out

because they were so selfish,
which I'm quite proud of.

But I think that probably comes
as a result of my autism diagnosis,

as well, cos I don't typically
follow the crowd in a lot of ways.

Yep. I'm not scared
to stand on my own and, you know...

Yeah. ..do something
a bit different.

So I was quite proud of how
that came across. Yeah. Absolutely.

Fabulous, yeah. Yeah, I think
it's about time someone said it!

Refreshing, yeah.
I really wanted, Dan,

because of your personality,
just from watching you,

I really wanted you to get up there
and go, "You are all so stupid."

Yeah! "I am so obviously
a Faithful," and then storm out.

That's what I was saying in my head.

Well, that is the perfect moment

to remind ourselves
of Dan's banishment.

Guys, just remember,

we've all only known each other
for a couple of weeks,

you know, don't take things
too personally. It's just a game.

This has been an absolute pleasure
and I've had a fantastic time.

I am...

Go on, Linda!

..a...

Oh, there's a little glare.

..Faithful. Oh...!

I love that.
Yeah, yeah, that was good.

The way you played that. Knew it.

Oh, no!

I think, so far, you are the person

who's enjoyed
being banished the most.

You seem to really relish
that moment.

I was like, "Oh, my God,

"thank God I get to get away
from this-this lot."

I don't spend a lot of time
surrounded by lots of people

in my day-to-day life... Yeah.

..so it was quite nice
to just have that break.

Was it quite intense being in
that castle altogether all the time?

It's big, innit?

Yeah, cos you're surrounded by
people for a lot of hours every day.

So... Yeah. Like, people say,
"It's just a game,"

but the thing is,
you are playing the game,

so you can't just snap out of that,

like, you become this person
in this game and it feels real.

Like, you're literally living
with these people in this castle,

like, it is actually quite a...
It's intense, to say the least.

Yeah. So for people to say, "Oh,
it's just a game, like, chill out,"

but if you just chill out
and do nothing,

like, you're not playing the game.
Yeah, yeah.

So, then, either way, like,
you have to be serious. Yeah.

Dan, in hindsight, with the mission,

would you...would you have done
that differently?

Would you have admitted
straight away about dunking Minah?

I don't think so,
cos I wanted to stick to my guns.

I wanted to prove a point.

Yeah. Well, not...
Prove a point that, you know,

you should be able to
play this game however you want,

and you shouldn't be dictated to
by what other people say to you,

like, "We have to tell each other" -
I found that really self-righteous.

Also, the whole point
was lying in that mission,

cos you wanted
to get the Shield. Yeah. Yeah.

So, when Minah asked you and Leanne,
"Did you do that?"

of course you're going to say no.
Yeah.

And I just saw so many benefits
of not telling people.

Mm-hm. A, regardless of whether
they're a Traitor or a Faithful,

you're going to piss them off

if you've admitted
that they marked them,

because that can be something
they think of down the line.

B, if you've marked a Traitor and
they don't know who's marked them,

that's going to make them
more paranoid. Yeah.

So you want to cause as much chaos
for them as possible

so that they start making mistakes.

So I just saw so many reasons
to not do it.

Yeah, yeah. I think you were...
I think you were right to do it.

I think the problem is,
you're almost, like, too clever

for the game's good.
Do you know what I mean?

Like, I think
there's a lot of people

that kind of don't think
so in-depth...

Mm. ..and they think more of,
"Oh, he's told a lie,"

or, "They've not told me
that they were a bishop.

"So that's very traitorous,
isn't it?"

Yeah. Do you see what I mean?
Yeah, yeah.

Oh, I wouldn't have
any kind of game plan.

I'd just think of it as
a lovely, lovely few days out.

Yeah! That's probably the best way,
to be honest.

Do you know what I mean? Like, when
else would you get to play games,

running around the woods,
slag someone off in the other room?

THEY LAUGH

It's a lovely little trip, isn't it?
Better than Center Parcs.

But people got targeted
on our season

for reading books in the library,
didn't they?

Yeah, they did, didn't they?

Yeah, but also, let's not do
that in Episode One.

Question for both of you -

day-to-day, how did you approach
Traitor hunting?

Did you have, like, specific things
that you did every day

to try and spot the Traitors?

Livi, what about you?
I don't really know.

Like, cos every day changed.

So you would kind of like...

I'd be there, like,
kind of thinking about

who I'm going to try and watch today
and things like that,

and then it would change -

you'd get into the castle,
someone runs up to you,

and they're like,
"I think it's so and so,"

and then you're kind of,
like, sidetracked,

and then you're... I kind of regret
not, like, sticking to my guns,

and you'd kind of, like,
flow about with other people

and their suspicions -

but, yeah, it just changed
every day. Mm.

Like, it's so hard to stick
to what you want to do

cis suddenly someone
will do something

and it's like,
"Actually, I've changed my mind."

Yeah. What about you, Dan?

In terms of Traitor hunting?

I mean, I think I got confused
at times between Traitor hunting

and just wanting to keep my allies
in the game. Yeah.

Um, because, I mean, that's a way to
get to the end, as well, isn't it?

You surround yourself with as many
people who trust you as possible.

So sometimes I did
blur the line a bit,

and I think that's when my game
started to unravel halfway through,

when I was like, "I should actually
be looking for Traitors, as well."

Yeah, you were done by the herd,
though, weren't you?

I was. Herd mentality.
I think you were done by the herd.

Sometimes if a little bit
of evidence crops up

and people, they quickly go,
"I could survive another night here,

"actually, I'll just..."

TOM: What are you talking about,
Paul?

You were never part of the herd.

PAUL: We helped...
He was the herdmaster.

He was the herdmaster, yeah.
We steered the herd a little bit.

Yeah, he was the shepherd.
Yeah, yeah. Puppet master.

Sheepdog - more like wolf
in sheep's clothing.

Did you have strategies
going into the game?

Before you arrived, Dan,

did you have an idea of
what you wanted to do and achieve?

Yeah, I mean, I wanted to play
as ruthlessly

and as competitively
as possible at all times.

I wanted to make the most
of every single opportunity...

Good lad.
..whether that was on a mission

or a strategic opportunity
in the castle.

Um, so when that mission
came up today,

I was like, "Ooh, this is my chance.

"I'm just going to do
whatever I can,"

and I knew I was going for Minah
straight away.

Yeah. Yeah. I think you were right -

she was the person who would
suspect you least. Exactly. Yeah.

I was making combinations
of people in my head,

like, if I'm paired
with Leanne, I'll go for Minah.

If I'm paired with Linda,
I'll go for Lisa. Love that.

What about you, Livi? Did you have
a strategy before you started?

Kind of, yeah.

Just to make friends with one
of the Traitors and then be myself.

Because I wanted to be Faithful,

I just...I just wanted to be myself.

I thought, "I'm not good at lying.

"Like, there's no point me
even trying to overstress myself

"with this whole plan
of doing things,"

and so that's why I wanted
to be Faithful,

so I was like, "I'm just going
to be myself." Yeah.

Dan, you were a fantastic Faithful.

Did you enjoy playing the game?
Did you enjoy your experience?

Yeah, it was fantastic.
It was way out of my comfort zone,

but I played the game
the way I wanted to,

and, yeah, it was brilliant.

I think, from our perspective,

it looked within your comfort zone,
to be honest.

Yeah, it did. You looked one
of the calmest in there. Yeah, yeah.

I think it was being surrounded
by people all the time

that was probably
the hardest thing for me.

Cos the game elements of things,
like that challenge,

I didn't have an issue with at all,
and I didn't really feel guilty

at voting people out
or, you know, targeting people.

But, yeah, just being surrounded
by people

and having to, like,
do a bit of small talk... Yeah.

..am, as the day was going on,
just...

Oh, you'd be such a good Traitor.

You wouldn't have to spend that much
time with the big group like that,

would you, in any normal...?
No, not at all.

So I think that's quite
an unusual setting, in't it? Yeah.

There was a brilliant moment
with the Funhouse mission

where they said, "That means someone
has to go by themselves,"

and your hand went up straight away.

It was like,
"I'm happy to go by myself!"

"Five minutes by myself? Yes!"

It's what I've been craving
for the whole time.

Really taking your time,
going through all the doors,

going, "I don't know which one."

What about you, Livi?
Did you enjoy your experience?

Yeah, loved it.

I loved it, and, um,
as much as I would change...

..kind of gunning for Freddie,
cos I feel so bad,

Um, like, he's so innocent,
but, um...

Yeah, I, you know,
I had the best time ever,

and, yeah, I love everyone in there.

Well, we've run out of time here,
but that doesn't mean it's all over.

We'll be continuing the chat
in our bonus episode of Uncloaked

over on BBC Sounds.

You can scan the QR code
on your screen right now to listen.

We're going to get more intel
on the game from Dan and Livi,

plus we'll be putting
their lying skills to the test.

Think of it as a nice way
to bridge the gap

whilst we wait a few days
for Episode Seven.

A huge thanks to Tom, Sophie, Paul,
Livi and Dan for joining me!

CHEERING

We'll be back next Wednesday
after Episode Seven of The Traitors

to discuss the outcome
of the Deathmatch and so much more.

I'm Ed Gamble. Stay Faithful.