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Hello and welcome to the penultimate
Traitors: Uncloaked.

I'm Ed Gamble and we are now just
24 hours away from finding out

who will win The Traitors.
But, by now, you know the drill.

If you have not seen episode 11
of the Traitors, get yourself

to iPlayer and catch up now, because
there are spoilers coming...now!

Coming up on the show...

...we get the exclusive first look of
Zack and jasmine meeting to find out

who the traitors are.

Plus, to dissect the latest episode,
we have Traitor super fans

Danielle Harold and Nick Grimshaw!

AUDIENCE CHEERS
Yeah! Yeah, yeah!

I love that. Yeah, yourself.

I love that we are officially
Traitor super fans.

And that's the case with you
definitely, isn't it?

It's our entire personality
for 2024. Yeah.

Well, we've got a lot to talk about.

We've got to talk about
that absolutely bat shit mission.

We've got to talk about Claudia's
iconic outfit - another one, tick.

Obsessed. Best one yet. Yeah.

Most importantly, I think
we've got to talk about it -

who's got it in them to go
all the way in this series

of The Traitors? But first, we need
to talk about the round table.

Another faithful has been banished.

So let's remind ourselves
of the moment that jasmine

got the boot.

I am a faithful.

Bye.

I thought she was going
to say she was a traitor.

I thought she was going to say
she was a traitor, too.

She was just smiling so much.
I was like... I'm fucked.

So much going on
in just that one clip.

Firstly, I want to say I'm glad
jasmine got a bow in,

because the only bow we've seen so
far is Paul, a dastardly traitor.

Love the bow. The bow,
absolutely perfect. Really great.

Harry is just so convincing.

"I thought she was going
to say she was a traitor."

Every time I see Harry, he goes into
the turret, he takes his hood off.

I'm like, hang on, I thought
you were a faithful. Hang on!

I know. Every time.

Were we surprised
that jasmine was banished tonight?

Not really, was we? Because
they'd clone the whole plan,

so we knew it was going to be one
or the two of the girls that left.

Yeah, and perfect for Harry
and Andrew,

because the second they sat
at that table, they just both

had it in for each other. Oh, yeah.
So, I mean, dream situation.

If you're a traitor, you could just
sit there and just let that unfold.

Watch that unfold.
It was absolutely perfect. Yeah.

jasmine was such
an incredible player.

I think she often
had the right idea.

She was formidable.

She wouldn't take
any bullshit, basically.

She was great and she was super
articulate and she was really,

I thought, fair around the table
as well. Yes, absolutely.

Ancl she was really clear and concise
in her ideas and theories.

jasmine had a really interesting
point about defending the traitors

at the round table.
So let's remind ourselves of that.

Everyone has had situations
at this round table

where they have defended a traitor,
like Zack has defended Ash,

like Andrew's defended Paul.

Like, I don't necessarily think
being wrong makes you a traitor.

I just think
it just makes you wrong.

This is such a good point,
because people are grabbing

at anything to try
and find traitors. Yeah.

And they don't seem to have learned
in this series that if someone

defends a traitor or says,
"I don't think they're a traitor",

like jasmine did with Ross,
which is what's arisen

people's suspicion,
it doesn't make them a traitor.

In fact, I think it's the opposite.
There's no traitor loyalty. Mm-hm.

The people you need to be looking at
are the people who are right

every time, aka Paul and Harry, the
people who are leading the charge.

I love that there's
no traitor loyalty.

Yeah. That is some good juicy TV.
Oh, when they turn on each other...

...that's the best. It is amazing.

Horrible, personally, I imagine,
for them, but really good for us

to watch on the telly.
Really good. Really good.

I thought I saw Miles in Zara
the other clay.

Um... Are you serious?!
This is why we get you on, Grimmy.

I went up the escalators,
because I was like,

"Oh, my God, it's Miles
off Traitors." But it weren't him.

Good story that, innit?
That guy was on Twitter.

"Did Nick Grimshawjust
follow me around Zara?!".

I was, like, running up
the escalators to see. I wouldn't...

No, it's just a man.
It's just a man.

Evie clearly wasn't expecting
jasmine to be faithful.

And I mean, we saw the end
of the clip - it was just Evie,

very quietly going, "|'m fucked."

Yeah! "|'m fucked!"

That's got to be a series highlight.

What do we think about Evie's
chances moving forward?

Because, as she said herself,
she's effed.

I'm not sure how many we're allowed
in the show, so...

Probably - we've hit the quota.
Yeah, I think so!

I think she feels quite
safe in the show, for me.

Yeah. Do you know what I mean?
She does seem to feel safe.

But I feel like there could be
still Andrew's suspicions. Yes.

I think that, worryingly,
jaz is going to...

...pursue his Harry cause. Yeah.

Ancl I think it could be Harry
who's maybe in danger

in the next challenge or overnight.

We hopejaz pursues his Harry
course, but he did have the theory

about Paul very early on and kept
saying, "|'m just going

"to bide my time...! Yeah.
"..|'m going to bide my time"

And he bided his time
until someone else...

Yeah! He just waits, doesn't he, to
say...then he just sort of, yeah...

just get it out.
Time has been boden. Yeah.

Time has been boden.

But he seems...he was referring
to this theory as his caged tiger.

He says, "|'ve got
this caged tiger."

And I'm starting to think
he's lost the keys to the cage.

He's lost it in the castle! Yeah.

That tiger's been
in the cage for so long,

Carole Baskin's going
to get involved. Yeah!

I need him to say something now,
because he's talking about

hard evidence at this point.

But he does this and then
he doesn't say anything, does he?

Then it goes away and I'm like,
"Say it, you're right,

"you're so right." And he just
doesn't. He's too scared.

Let's talk a bit more about Harry's
master plan by getting the shield,

pretending that the traitors
had tried to murder him,

but they couldn't because
he had a shield, whereas actually

they'd recruited Ross. I just want
to keep talking about it forever,

because it's an absolute stroke
of genius. Absolutely fantastic.

It could have backfired. Yeah.
There's something about him that

they just believe and trust him.
Yeah. Especially Mollie... Yeah. Oh!

...who is completely under his spell.
Oh, bless her!

The thing is, all of her theories
are correct. Like she said,

"I don't know why they've not killed
you. You keep finding traitors.

"You'd be really good at that."
And you go, "And, Mollie,

"what's the next thought there?"
She's like, "But it won't be you.

"You're completely faithful." I'm
like, "Oh, no, oh, no, God, please."

Because whatever Harry does,
she does believe him.

She believes he's a faithful.
Let's have a listen to this.

I'm just scared of who I'll be
standing next to in the final.

Today is the first time I've
properly thought about the money

and how much I do really want it,
and the thought of a traitor, like,

snatching it away from us,
it's unthinkable, really.

We're this close, like, whoever it

is now, is just a fucker, aren't
they?

I could be an idiot for saying it,
but I think I'd be happy

standing at the final with Harry,
confident that he's a faithful.

Oh, it really bugs her.
The one person...

It's the one person you can't
be confident to stand with.

Well, I think they've just got,
like, a lovely bond, I guess,

haven't they? They're like,
similar age. Yeah.

Ancl they probably just really
connected where she's like,

"Surely he can't be lying to me?"

I know. You must need to trust
somebody being in there, as well.

Like, forget the game, just
the amount of time they're there.

You must want to find somebody that
you think, "I can just trust you,

"we've got this in our own
little bubble", kind of.

Ancl I just feel so sorry for her!
I'd never trust anyone ever again.

You wouldn't, would you?
You'd be like, "Aw."

I think we need to remind ourselves
of Harry's final words

in tonight's episode.

It's hard.

For some reason,
right at the end, right now,

I'm starting to feel bad, but I
can't let it all come crashing down.

I know what needs to be done.

I don't want to do it, but I know
it needs to happen.

My eyes are on that prize.

When tomorrow comes
and we're in that final,

I'm going to try my absolute
hardest to be there at the end

and take it all.

Oooh! Yeah.
He's going to try his hardest,

which means he hasn't been trying
his hardest so far. Wow.

So, what is going to happen
when he tries his hardest?!

You know, half of me is like,
oh, how can he do that?

Ancl then I remember, oh,
it's a game on television.

I know! Yeah! It's a game!

So half of me thinks, oh,
I don't want him to win

because what about everyone's
lovely plans we've just heard.

Ancl then I think, well, what about
Harry's 11 brothers and sisters?

Do you know what I mean?
So I don't know.

I mean, wow, if he steps it up
another gear, Jesus.

We do need to chat about
our latest murdered player.

Our latest victim, Zack.

Do you think Zack was the smart
murder in this situation?

Because I think they were debating
between Mollie, jaz and Zack.

He's quite a leader, I feel,
around that table,

gets his points across really good.

So I feel like he could be a man
of influence. True.

So I guess to the traitors,
he is quite dangerous.

Yes. So, he was probably
quite a clever murder. Yeah.

Zack will be with us shortly,

but before that, we've got to talk
about the mission,

the insane mission, like a scene
from 1960s Doctor Who.

Claudia gave a clue at breakfast

that it was all about
ancient history, and Harry knew

he was instantly prepared for this.

Ancient history? I'm like, mate,
I know mad facts.

If you stretch out a human's DNA,
and put it in a line, it would go

to the sun and back 30 times.

So, bet you didn't know that.

A bit of history there from Harry,
Ancient history.

That's ancient history. Ancient
history lesson. If you showed me

that clip out of context there, I'd go, "No way
that guy's a traitor." No way. He couldn't handle

being a traitor. Are you kidding me?
Yeah!

I mean, let's talk
about the traitors monument.

It was... That was a really crazy...

Like, it got so weird.
I went a bit weird!

It went a bit weird. This show
has got weirder this year. Yeah.

Ancl that was... It was so weird.
Like, Claudia's outfit

was really weird.
It looked fantastic.

We have to say that.
Absolutely fantastic.

It was sort of like when it's time
for bed at Glastonbury.

That's what it reminds me of.

I was like, "I don't want
to be here any more.

"And who's this lady?"

Yeah, no, it got weird.

They had to crack
these puzzles, of course,

which they cracked. They managed
to crack it, and they're putting

the staffs in the thing and pushing
it round and it cracked open

and someone was vaping inside
and it all came out.

It was very exciting.
And we finally got to the drawing

the swords from stone.

So obviously the person who pulled
out the sacred sword could take

the seven grand and carry on
with the game, or they could put

the money back into the pot. Do we
think Harry made the right decision

by saying, "The money goes back into
the pot, we just carry on as we were"?

I mean, I guess it's the right decision to
make everyone think, oh, he's dead nice.

But that's not the aim of
the game, is it?

Sol don't know if it set him up
to think, maybe a traitor

would do that. Would do that.
Because you'd be thinking,

I'm going to win loads more anyway,
if I win. Yeah.

Ancl also, I've got to appear
to be a team player.

Yeah. So it might raise suspicions,
and I think it did.

I think there was a shot ofjaz
straight after he made it, like...

"Hard evidence,
that's more hard evidence!"

Find the key, find the key!

So I don't, I don't know.
I think it was the...| don't know,

it was a tricky one to do.
The guy's good. The guy's good!

He's good. He's good!

Now, before we look at our
scoreboard of suspicion, we do

have to talk about the dinner party.
Very emotional?

We were really emotional.
We were quite quiet, weren't we?

Yeah, we were like...
Oh! Oh, clear.

It really got me because you
watch it, and I was so invested

in the show. Yeah. But you see them
as characters on TV.

So I think it's really nice to see
them as people and learn

more about their lives.
Ancl when we heard Andrew's story,

I was just... Aw!
When he was saying, like,

he's never been proud of anything...
Oh, my God, I cried. I fully went.

I love him anyway. I know.
All of that.

I'm like, Oh, my God, alll want
is the best for this man. I know.

But all their stories were really
emotional. jaz's family story

as well. Yes. They all were
really amazing stories.

So, yeah, I don't know.

I don't know how I feel
about the entire program me now.

I know, it changes you with
everything, doesn't it, that dinner?

Yeah. And Mollie as well, what
an incredible story from Mollie.

If I was Harry sat there watching
Mollie's story, I'd just be like,

I think I'd burst into tears,
stand up and go, "|'m a traitor",

run through the French windows
and never come back.

Yeah, I think you'd have to. He just
went, "|'m coming for it all"

didn't he?! "|'m coming
for all the money!"

He delivered a lovely thing, going, "She's such
a strong woman. I'm so impressed with her",

and basically saying, "I can't wait
to take all that money off her."

I know! Savage! Savage!

And Evie, of course, you know,
wants a bigger place to live.

Two dogs... Lovely, wholesome story.
Ancl that's what we do want.

We want a veterinary nurse's clogs
to have a happier life. Yeah,

we really...! So actually,
I want faithfuls to win.

So we're going to be speaking
to Zack and jasmine very soon.

Very excited to meet them.

But first of all, we're going to do
our Scoreboard of Suspicion,

or should it be renamed
the Scoreboard of Ascension?

Because this is going to show us
who we think is going to make it

over that final hurdle
tomorrow night.

It's quite a complicated system.

The top half is red,
the bottom half is blue.

I have paddles here with all
of the remaining players on them.

If we think they're under suspicion
or they might be voted out,

we will be putting them up
in the red section.

Red for danger. Red for danger.
Well done, Nick, good.

I was going to explain
that in a second. Yeah, yeah.

If we think they're doing well and
they're going to last the course,

then we're going to put
them in the blue section.

Blue for...? Serenity. Chilled
and chilly. Water. Correct.

Yeah, water. Right.
So let's start with Harry.

I mean, he has been fantastic. Yes.

Obviously, he could win.
I do thinkjaz's tiger

could be a ferocious one. Yeah.
I really, really do.

If he lets it out the cage.
If he lets out of the cage.

Yeah, just, yeah.
He gave a good speech.

Yeah. Good convincing speech.
He was right about Paul.

Yeah. It cou... I don't know.

So where are we going to pop him?
Yeah. Do we think down in the blue?

I think, out of them all...
I think down in the blue.

...he's the most blue.
The most blue he can be?

The most blue he can be, I think.
There we go.

Well, that is a good position
to be in for the final episode,

I'll be honest!
How about our other traitor,

our recruited traitor, of course,
Andrew?

Harry is very manipulative. Yes.

Ancl he could sway Mollie and sway
the others into making anything up.

Like, "Oh, Andrew said this."
So I think Andrew could be sort of

in the ombre section.

Danielle, do you reckon
that Andrew could switch round

and come for Harry?

I didn't even think about that!

That would be brilliant if he did.
Could you imagine?

All the way through, you don't
expect it from Andrew,

he just pulls a turn? So where
shall we pop Andrew, then?

Do we...?

Maybe just under the ombre-ness.

just under the ombre-ness, just
here? just getting into the blue.

Little bit... Little bit lower?

So we think there's some...
way more suspicion on than Harry,

less chance of
getting there than Harry.

But it's nice to...
What we're learning in this is

we don't know. No. Yeah.

So in that vein, let's carry on.
Yeah.

Let's talk about our
remaining faithfuls.

jaz, first of all. Do we think...?
What do we reckon jaz's chances...?

Could put a little zipper on
his mouth. Yeah.

"What's that, jaz? Oh, nothing."

I thinkjaz is all right.

I thinkjaz could be quite safe,
around an Andrew marker for me.

Maybe. So he might actually...
I think he could make it through.

If he comes for Harry, I think.

If he starts talking,
it's game over for everyone.

OK, what about Mollie?

Mollie. She is so lovely.

She seems quite safe
at the moment, don't she?

She's come under very little
suspicion. She really, really has.

I'd say none.
None. Not been mentioned at all.

I'd say on par with Harry,
to be fair. Cos everyone else

who doesn't get mentioned,
at least at some point someone goes,

"They've not been mentioned."
Yeah, but she hasn't.

Mollie's just never been mentioned.
Yeah.

So let's put her down there.
Yeah.

OK, finally, Evie. Now, it feels
like there's some focus turned

on Evie, especially
as it was sort of,

"|t must be Evie. Or jasmine."

jasmine's faithful, which, I mean,
she said it herself - she's effed.

She's right up.
She's effed. Big time.

Shall we pop her in the boiling hot?

Red. Yeah. Right up at the top,
in the big red section.

There she is. Oh!

That's how we're going to leave it

going into the final
episode of Traitors.

We'll see if we were correct.

But first of all, very excitingly,

we're going to be meeting
Zack and jasmine in a bit.

But here is the exclusive VT
that they filmed

the day after they left the castle,

when they find out exactly
who the traitors are.

JASMINE LAUGHS

All right, jasmine?

Oh. All right, babe?

THEY LAUGH

Did you miss me? Yeah... Mm...

If... What?!

If you would have asked me, like,
maybe, like, four clays ago,

I'd be like, "Yeah, I missed you,"

but I feel like we were...
The night that we left...

Yeah, we're fine,
it's all in the past. Yeah.

How...how's things?

Not bad. Not bad.

Yeah.

So, Jasmine, what are you saying?
Traitor or faithful?

Can you guess before I reveal it?

I think you're a faithful, 100%.

I am a faithful, yeah.
I think that's obvious.

Was it obvious? Cos I would have
liked you to report that maybe

two clays ago, when you voted me!

No, it's cos as soon as...

You being here speaks
to you being a faithful.

Ancl I think also, I wouldn't have
been dead if you weren't a faithful.

It's too obvious. So obvious.

Are you ready to find out who
the last traitors are? Please!

Please open it.

Who is it? Who is it?

It's Harry.

LOUD GASP

Andrew as well!

| am gagged"

Harry and Andrew?

I'm sorry... Six traitors?

Shit, was Harry a traitor
from the start? Probably.

Is that why he was gunning for me?

I did think it was weird how
he just suddenly trusted you.

My entire game is
flashing before my eyes.

Like, remembering moments
with all of them.

I can't believe it's Andrew.

I cannot believe it.

|'m...|'m devastated.

I'm really, really upset
about that one.

We were way off.

Hey, I start as I mean to go on.

I've been wrong throughout
and I was wrong in the end!

And they're here with us now.

It's murdered Zack
and banished jasmine.

CHEERING

Welcome.

Can I just say, first of all,

it's so lovely to see
you two getting along?

Yeah. Cos there were
a couple of tense moments...

Bit of a roller-coaster.
..especially in that final episode.

Yeah, we would like to
put it down to, like,

kind of like a
brotherly-sisterly feud.

Yeah. I think that's why it
got so heated, because we get

along so well that when our
names came under fire, I was like,

"How dare you think that of me?!"

I think, as a viewer, you can
see how tense it is in there.

So if you start to butt heads
with someone and then there's,

like, there's, you know,
apologies that need to go round

and then it's... I don't think
anyone judges anyone for

the reactions they
have to being in there

cos it seems really intense.

Yeah. Yeah, it is very intense.

I think, well, before I went on
the show, I was like,

"Oh, it's not that deep."

You get what I mean? Like how
intense...how bad can it be, right?!

But then when I was there, I was
like, "Oh, OK, no, it is deep."

Do you get what I mean? It's like,
I've made some real close friends.

Zack. Ancl it's just like...
Thank you.

...now that I'm actually butting
heads with them and I'm thinking,

"OK, they might be a traitor,"

it's kind of like gutting, cos
I don't want them to be a traitor

and I don't want to feel
this way about you, but I feel

like you're betraying me
and that's really annoying me.

So... Yeah, it's really hard to
separate the game from the person.

Well, you seemed particularly upset
in that VT that Andrew is a traitor.

Why was it Andrew in particular
that upset you?

I called Andrew "Dad" the
entire way throughout the show

and he called me "Son",
so I don't know,

I think one of the round tables
he holds up my name and he goes,

"|'m sorry, Son. I
told them it's you."

So...|'m sat there and you
could see my face just, like,

turns to shock and sadness.

And we ream] had a dose hon...
Bond?

...close bond for a lot of the show.

I mean, you were both amazing
players and you did suspect

each other at various points.
Yeah.

I mean, I feel like, Zack, you
were suspected by a few different

people throughout the course of it,

but towards the end it seemed
everyone just went,

"Nah, it's not Zack.
Zack can't be a traitor."

I think people realised that me
just being a bit hectic

and neurotic was not an act.
I was just being me.

Sort of like nervous, awkward
self that I am.

Ancl I think eventually
people realised

that's how I just am in general

and it wasn't putting on an act or,
like, you know, being extra nervous

about potentially hiding some guilt.

So that did come through
and eventually people started

warming to me and seeing
what I was like, and that was nice,

but at the start it was difficult.

Yeah, it was tough.
Those first few episodes.

But I think as you were throwing out
accusations quite a lot

and you were very vocal in... Yeah.
..you'd do it at breakfast

then you'd do it whenever, you'd be
like, "I think it's this person,"

or, like, having arguments
in the corridor.

I'm not shy. Yeah, exactly.

But I think that clearly proves
that you were a faithful

because no traitor would
play that game.

That's my thought exactly.
Yeah.

NICK: Yeah, there was no off time,
was there, for you?

You were like, "|'m on this."
Yeah, that's my brain.

You should try living up here!

There's no off time ever. Were you
thinking about it all the time?

Were you, like, dreaming
of it and stuff?

I still dream of it today.

Yeah.

I didn't have
a spreadsheet or a chart

but I did have a book
that I was like...

The scribbles are, like,
completely illegible.

It makes no sense.

It was just a mad man just
scribbling away in his books,

like some words are capital
letters over the entire page.

There's just no relevance
there at all. That's amazing.

Like a serial killer's notebook.

Zack, of course, you were very sadly
murdered at the start

of tonight's episode, so let's
remind ourselves of your reaction.

Oh, there it is.

"Dear Zack, by order of the
traitors, you have been murdered."

Signed, the traitors.

Oh. I thought my clays were
numbered after yesterday.

It's a bit of a gut punch, but I
knew I'd be on the chopping block.

I think I put a massive
target on my back

by basically singlehandedly
finding a traitor.

Wow. Giving myself a lot of
credit there, aren't I?!

I really, really, really hope

my fellow faithfuls
can find them, though.

It's been a wonderful
experience, but...

...it has to come to an end, I guess.

Oh, it's... AW!

No, I was gutted for you.

What's it like getting so far into
the game and then being knocked out?

I guess you kind of have to
take it as a compliment,

but I put myself in that position,
I was very vocal with who

I thought it was the entire time
and I think... I don't know.

I think just towards the end,
I was riding the luck of maybe

picking the right people.

I thought it was Paul early on,
and I think maybe killing me

would have been too leading
towards or back to him.

So I think... Yeah, I think maybe
being too vocal kind of

came to me at the end.

Same question to you, though,
jasmine.

What's it like getting so far
and going at such a late stage?

Yeah, it was gutting.

To know that I was like...
That's a better answer.

To know that I was like a mere 12
hours away from being in the final

is just a gut-wrenching feeling.

I thought that I would be OK
with it, and I kind of reconciled

with it because I knew that
when Zack didn't walk in that door,

they were going to pin
that murder on me.

So, like, I knew that I was going.

So I had the whole clay to
kind of try and deal with it.

Ancl you'll notice in episode 11,

like, I'm a bit like...
Like, usually I'm loud, opinionated.

I was a bit, like, subdued
because I just knew

that I was going. jasmine, going
into that round table,

it felt like it was between
you and Evie. Yeah.

So it was very much Clash
of the Titans in that situation,

because you were the two who
apparently didn't know

that Harry had a shield.

So let's remind ourselves
of that conversation.

I just think that, in hindsight,

I think that Zack's theory has legs.

Oh, why have I clone that?

Which in my head
only leaves me or you.

Yeah. Do you get what I mean?

Cos I'm thinking the same. Yeah.

Zack's theory does have legs.

If a traitor tried to murder Harry,

it only leaves the people
that didn't know

that Harry had the shield.

Now, Ross is a traitor,

I'm a faithful.

Who else does that leave?

Not Evie!

it just makes no sense to me
that Evie is a traitor

on the basis that she didn't know
that Harry had the shield.

I mean, Harry has done
an absolute job, hasn't he?

I feel so bad about that.

Had I stuck to my guns...
Cos in the round table before,

I gagged Zack cos I was like,
"Well, no, it could be another

"theory in which the person,
the traitor, is using

"the shield as an excuse."

Ancl it's not even me or Ross,
even though it was Ross,

and that is the theory.

However, I think it's just
unfortunate that Zack got Ross out

with the wrong theory. Yeah.

Ancl then, like, flipped my head.

Ancl then instead of, like,
sticking to my own conviction,

I was like, "Oh, OK..." It's
hard to, though, isn't it?

Yeah, really hard. After the person
next to you... It's really hard.

Ancl I was like, "Oh, OK,
so this...this is it

"and I'm just running with it,"
and it was just so completely wrong.

Ancl I think that, had me and Zack...
Like, cos we were really close

at the beginning and had we stuck
together and put our heads together,

I think we could have
made it to the final.

But I think we kind of
both sowed the seeds to

each other's destruction.
Yeah. Which is really unfortunate.

Yeah. I feel really horrible about
the fact that the main theory

I had has resulted in,
like, a number of faithfuls

being killed or whatever.

The theory was there on the plate
deliberately, right? Yeah.

It was a trap set by Harry. Yeah.

Then jasmine then said, you know,

"Can you not see that
it might be a double bluff?"

How do you think you two would
have fared being traitors?

Because I think there was
a moment where they were

considering recruiting you,
jasmine. Yeah.

And I thought that was the best
choice, was to recruit you.

Well, yeah. It's a big boys' club,
isn't it? Would be nice!

Unfortunately they only recruit men.
Yeah, exactly.

Men only.

But I...

I personally think that I would
have been a good traitor

and I actually did want to be
a traitor going on there.

I agree. They just have such control
over the game.

Ancl I just think that there was
a trend of traitors being

larger than life outside
the round table,

but also quiet in the round table.

But I wasn't like that.

I was kind of both, so I just
kind of like broke the mould

of how a traitor would
normally behave

and therefore I don't think
that people really would

have suspected me,
unless your name is Zack.

I think you're also super
intelligent as well, so I think you

would have... I think you probably
would have figured out

a way to get the other traitors
out of the way.

Zack's name was coming up, like,
since clay one, and for him to get

as far as episode 11 is just
a testament to how intelligent

he is and how, like... Thank
you so much! ..and how good

of a debater he is because, yeah,
I think I would have crumbled.

Yeah, it's really impressive
that you got that far.

Oh, you guys!

I know! We're besties!

This is insane.
This dynamic is insane.

Can't believe we're doing this.

I think I think that's why our
bust up was so, like, heated,

because we get on so well.

So it genuinely felt like such
a betrayal when Zack came at me

with such fire,
like, "You're a traitor."

Ancl I was like, "No, but...
No, but we're besties!" Yeah.

"Who are the two people you've had
in

"who get along the best
from The Traitors?"

No-one would guess
you two, I don't think.

Because we saw...we saw
a lot of the heat between you two

rather than a lot of this fun stuff.
So it's really nice to see.

Oh, thank you. Thank you.

Now, we've run out of time here,
but do join us over on BBC Sounds

because the chat will continue.

We'll be chatting to
our wonderful guests more.

We'll be talking to Zack and jasmine

and special guest Ivan from
series one, will be joining us

to give us his top three
strategic moves

and top three tactical blunders

from series two of The Traitors.

It's all on the bonus episode
of Uncloaked

in your BBC Sounds app right now.

A massive thanks to Danielle, Nick,
jasmine and Zack for joining me!

Thank you. Thank you for having us.
Thank you, Ed.

We've only got one more episode
of Uncloaked to go.

I know. I'm sad,
but I'm also very excited.

Everything that's happened
over the last 11 episodes

has all built to episode 12,

and it's a very special final
podcast with all of the finalists,

the winners, the losers,

and, of course, Queen Claudia
herself will be joining me.

So, come back straight after
the grand finale episode of Traitors

for one remaining episode
of Uncloaked.

I'm Ed Gamble - stay faithful.

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