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Hello, Traitors super fan, and
welcome to another action-packed

episode of Uncloaked with me,
Ed Gamble.

We are going to be talking about
everything from episode eight

of The Traitors,
so you know what I'm going to say.

If you've not seen it,
go and watch it,

then come back and watch this,
because we have got so much

to talk about.
On this edition of Uncloaked...

comedian Nish Kumar,

Radio 1 royalty Clara Amfo,

series one Traitor and
close-but-no-cigar finalist Wilf,

and the man the whole nation
is talking about -

actual Paul will be here!
CHEERING

This program me contains some
strong language

Clara, Nish, Wilf.

Wow. Wow, wow, wow! Wow!

Paul will be here later
on in the show,

but first, let's hear that
beautiful Traitor's siren.

SIREN

Two sirens in a row.

We've got rid of Miles,
we've got rid of Paul.

This is absolutely huge.

I don't want to meet the man!
I'm scared.

I think he has killed
and will again.

I think this is a huge risk
we're exposing ourselves to

by being in a room with him.

He might already be here
under the sofa.

This is entrapment. I am unsettled.

Well, we call him the Ginger
Godfather on this show.

The Ginger Godfather,
I like that.

Now, before we start talking
about the episode proper,

I want to do something.
I want to try something out.

Will you all individually look at me

and say "I am a Faithful"?

So, Nish, we'll start with you.

Ed, I am full of faith.

OK, so that's immediately suspicious
because you didn't...

You didn't do
what I told you to do.

Full of faith?! Full of faith.

Do you know how this works?
Do you know how this works?

So you'd be banished,
episode one, as a Traitor.

Get rid! Clara.

Ed, I'm a Faithful.

That was good.

Wilf.

I am a Faithful.

See. that was very good.

That was, I think, better than any
of the Traitors actually managed

on the show, because you'll notice
what Paul did was he went,

"I am a Faithful,"
and closed his eyes

when he said the word "Faithful".

Andrew had to say it
and he went, "I am...a Faithful."

We've got a lot to talk about today.

We've got that blockbuster
of a round table

and Harry's amazing
performance at that.

We've got to talk about Andrew's
recruitment, of course,

and how we think he's doing so far.

He might do better later on,
you never know.

But how he's doing so far
that we've seen in this episode.

But first, we've got to have another
look at Paul's banishment.

This has been the best experience
of my entire life,

and this moment will stay with me
for the rest of my life,

so...thank you.

I'm a Traitor.

CHEERING

What did I say?!
I told you!

What did I say?!

We got another one!

We've got another
fucking one!

My work here is done.
My work here is done.

Harry, you did that,
you know?

You... You bloody
did that.

Harry, that was you!

Wrapping it up.
Absolutely loving it. Amazing.

I mean, the most explosive
banishment yet, surely.

Also, the bow.
Can we just get into that first?

The bow, I think, is practice
for when he's Captain Hook

in pantomime later this year. Yeah!

I feel like it was like,
"And finish."

Do you know what I mean?
"And scene." Yeah, he's done.

That was it. Perfect, because I
think we'd not really seen him come

out of character until that moment.

Maybe when Harry turned on him,

I think you saw his
shoulders drop a little bit

and you just saw the real Paul
for a second.

But even that felt like an act.

Even that still felt like he was...

I'm not convinced he has a kid.
I'll put it out there.

When he started crying, being like,
"I just want to see my little boy."

After that point, I thought...
I think anything

that this guy's doing
is part of, like, a game plan.

So even when his shoulders dropped,
I still thought - I thought,

oh, this is amazing because
he's still making them

feel sympathy for him.

He's trying to make himself look
vulnerable and look like the victim.

I still thought it was all...

I think the closest time we saw
was at the bow at the end

because it did
genuinely feel like an

"And scene, and I've had
you all on the whole time."

Paul was excellent to watch.

I think the thing that I
loved/annoyed me deeply about him

is that Paul is what I would call
classically high on his own supply.

Yes. Do you know what I mean?

Like, he really thought he had
everybody just like that,

which he did, to be fair.
He did for a bit.

But I think he just got a little
bit too gassed, so to see him

get found out
was incredible to watch.

Can I just say about Paul? Like,
a lot of people didn't like him.

I loved him.

I feel like he was the only person
in the game that I've seen so far -

apart from Amanda -
that could take away the emotion

and play the game. Yes. Exactly.

But this guy took it away, brought
just the game play, and I rate that.

And to be fair, he was
the most entertaining Traitor

to watch so far. Yeah.
Like, in my opinion.

We should talk about
where it went wrong for Paul,

because we mentioned he got a little
bit overconfident, perhaps.

A lot of people pinning it
on the dungeon episode

where he put himself in the dungeon
and then assumed that everyone

loved him so much that he
would be the one saved.

Do we think that was the beginning
of the end for Paul?

Worst strategy ever. Yeah.
Worst strategy ever.

Like, last season, we had
to put people on trial.

I was nearly going to put myself,
and then we figured out, actually,

if we throw in three Faithfuls,
we're going to...

You have to look in the long run.
One's going to be murdered,

the other two are most certainly
going to be banished,

because they'll
think one's a Traitor.

So you've got two, three days
left as a group.

And the longer you stay as a big
group, the more votes that you have,

the more powerful your votes become
around the round table.

I feel like anybody who puts himself
forward for anything like that,

I just... Just don't do it,
if you're a Traitor.

I just want to strike one
note of dissension here.

He had kind of got away with it.

I think he knifed Miles too hard,
because what he then did was create

real distrust with his own team.

He had then started the process
of knifing Harry.

I agree, but also
what I would say is,

did he start the process
of doing that to Harry?

Because there was a massive
misinterpretation from Charlotte.

Right. So when they were sat
in the car after the mission,

Jasmine brought up, "It was a bit
weird what Harry said."

Yeah, yeah. And then Paul was
just doing the Traitory thing

of going like, "Oh, yeah,
I suppose it was, actually,”

and just going with the flow.
And then even when Ross went,

"I don't think it was that,"
he went, "Oh, yeah, maybe not."

Charlotte then reported it
back to Harry

as Paul starting that discussion.

Which is what... Which is what
put the fire under Harry.

So that's why Paul's gone,
because Harry went up,

and it's not necessarily true.

It's like Capone going down
for tax evasion.

The very interesting thing
is he comes out of that

and he's the hero.

So Jaz is going,
"That was you, that was you,"

which...Jaz needs to
be more confident.

Got to back himself. Jaz has been
loosening the pickle jar on Paul

for the last five episodes,
and it was just Harry

who got the tea towel
and twisted it off. Yeah, yeah.

Right, so he's going,
"That was you. That was you."

Everyone's going, "Harry,
you're absolutely amazing."

He's going, "Yeah, they want
to vote me for President,"

all of this stuff. But that's what
happened with Paul and Miles.

And then the next episode, Paul's
gone, so he needs to calm it down

a little bit because
he was so specific, as well,

about the dungeon plan.

He was like,
"What I think's happened..."

And then he listed off the whole
dungeon plan beat by beat.

It's like, how could you
possibly know that?

No-one can deny that Harry
did an absolutely amazing job

at the round table, so let's remind
ourselves of how he played it.

You thought it was a good idea
to put you and Ash

down in the dungeon.

You would have been told that
someone could have been saved

the next day. And I think you
being the most popular,

you thought you would be saved.

And then when it was Andrew,

that sort of cocked
the whole thing up.

I've just found out in the journey
back from that mission,

not only today have you brought
Zack and Jaz into the picture,

you've even
brought myself in,

because apparently I was
angry about not getting a shield

or something like that.
To me, it's a bit like

now you're chucking names
out there... It's not.

To cause chaos.

It's not... I think Paul's
being genuine, though.

I think he is shocked that Harry's
turned on him so quickly.

But let's talk about Harry's
game play there.

Harry's very aware
that he's well-liked.

I think the thing about Harry that's
different to Paul is, dare I say,

like, he's a bit of an empath.

Like, I think he's a bit...
He's a bit softer with people.

I think people feel a bit
more relaxed around him.

And I think he positions himself
as a leader just enough so people

don't feel bossed about
by him, but they just,

"No, he's my mate.
He's my comrade.”

Where Paul was, I think,
was always very much like,

"Well, I think this," or like -
I remember, I think it was, like,

maybe the first or second episode
when it was the

first or second round table.
He was like, "No, I'll go first."

He was always very up
for, like, making himself,

like, the centre of attention,
where I think Harry will always wait

a little bit and then go in.

I do worry now that it's been said
here that he was way too specific

with the details like that.

That started to make me think, oh,
I wonder if he's maybe tipped it

slightly too far because he did
say, "Oh, it almost feels like,

"you know, Paul, you were sort of
just standing in front of me,

"and you said...
And then I was like,

" 'Oh, is anyone else hungry?
I could go for a banana.'

"I don't... I mean,
someone might have said that."

When you rewatch it back,

it feels very specific
and it does feel like someone

might have the question -
maybe Evie, like you say,

she might, if she's clocked him.

Someone might have
the question of, like,

"Harry, how did you know
in that amount of detail?"

Because it had sort of
slightly washed over me

that how specific he was about Paul,
saying, "You assumed, Paul,

"that you would be saved because
you're the most popular person.”

Yeah, it's the exact plan.
It's the exact plan.

And speaking of being on the back
foot, we do need to talk about

the fact that Andrew
has now been recruited.

Oh, God bless. God bless.

Harry and him are now partners.

So let's remind ourselves of
how Andrew made the decision

whether to accept or not.

I genuinely can't think
of the pros of joining.

The cons, all of a sudden
going against...

HE SIGHS

...my friends, my fellow Faithful.

Oh, my God.

What if I say no?

But I think, well, if I don't join,

they're going to
murder me or something.

Yeah, I'll have to.
I'm going to have to.

Yeah, I have to
join them, I suppose.

I love Andrew -
dearly love Andrew. So sweet.

I just love that clip
because he goes,

"I can't see the pros.
All right, I'll do it."

There's no pros,
but I'll do it anyway.

It's... I've never seen someone
essentially take themselves hostage.

It was absolutely unfathomable.

I think it must be
the fear of murder,

because obviously
in series one, Wilf,

when Alex refused being a Traitor,

she was killed pretty swiftly
afterwards, right?

Because it guarantees
that you're Faithful.

Yeah, so what it does is if you're
recruited and you say no,

you sort of, as a Traitor,
you want to set a premise.

So if we ever ask you again,
you take it.

And Andrew, do you know what?

He's new to this role,

and Harry and Paul are
like his parents, right?

That's how it feels, and at the
round table, when they're arguing

he looks like a child going...

Just looking at
his parents' argument

and doesn't know what to say.

He looked genuinely devastated
when Paul left.

Truly, truly. I was surprised he
didn't vote for him, actually.

I thought he was
going to maybe switch it,

but I think the thing about Andrew
is I think he trusted Paul

and I think he trusts Harry
maybe a little bit too much

because he will be the next one
thrown under the bus, absolutely.

I felt like, at the round table,
he obviously didn't vote for Paul,

but in his head he was going,
"Well, it's my first day."

I can't... I can't piss off the
boss. Yeah, my first day on the job.

I've got to have a go
at being a Traitor.

He's on probation, isn't he? Yeah!

Also, what was funny was
that he did quickly surmise,

because basically the two of them
stood together and they're like,

"Let's just get this bloke in
and we'll knife him immediately.”

He took the hood off,
saw who were the Traitors,

and he went, "I'm going to
get knifed immediately.”

He did correctly analyse
exactly why he was there.

He knew that he'd been
brought in as cannon fodder.

But keep that to yourself, right?

So you're going in there, you know
that you're going to get killed,

don't then say it to the Traitors.

Everyone was un...
It was unique insofar as everybody

was unhappy with the decision. Yeah.

I mean, look, this was
Andrew's first episode.

We do not know how he's
going to do from this point.

He might suddenly blossom.

The performance at breakfast
wasn't ideal, I don't think,

because he does say...

You hear him say,
"Oh, it's so difficult, this -

"you've got to listen to about

"ten different conversations
all at once,"

and then they cut to breakfast
and the way he's listening

to conversations is moving
around the table physically.

I mean, I think probably one of my
highlights of the entire episode,

if not the entire series,
was this wonderful moment

from Ross in the car.

Let's remind ourselves.

Diane would be looking
down on us now and going...

NORTHERN IRISH ACCENT: "Go
get that Traitors, guys.

"Go get the Traitors now."

NORTHERN IRISH ACCENT: "Absolutely.”

I love her. She was like my mum.

Hey, mate, she WAS my mum. No,
she was MY mum first. My mum first!

No, stop it. Stop it.

Yay!

I love it. Love, love, love, love.

Just perfect. It's really good.

It's not often a player on
Traitors goes full Fleabag

and acknowledges the camera.
He broke the fourth wall. Yeah.

Did you enjoy that moment, Clara?
I absolutely loved it.

I just think, do you know what?

Because as we know, Ross,

not to carry on the Brian,
like, sheep thing,

but like, you know,
he's a bit of a follower.

So to see him take charge
of that moment and be like,

"You know what? Yeah, that was my
mother.” Made me feel good.

Do we think that Ross has put a bit
of a target on his back now?

We've obviously talked about
the fact he's proclaimed

that if Paul's a traitor,

then he has to be banished
straight away.

Do we think he's
in trouble now, Clara?

I think the thing about Ross is that
I think he's just quite easily...

He's very...
He's very malleable to, I think,

the Traitors and to the Faithful.

So I think he has put a bit
of a target on his back.

Well, guys, it's the moment
we've all been waiting for

because we've seen him swagger,
we've seen him falter,

but the Ginger Godfather, Paul,
finally came a cropper

thanks to another Traitor.

Let's remind ourselves of
the moment that Harry saw red.

I was in the car coming back

and we were having chats
about the mission today.

He said, "What do you think
to Harry's reaction

"about the fact he was
the most chased?” or whatever.

But then me and Jaz both
at the same time just went,

we think it was mostly just in jest
and banter, to be honest,

where he says, "Oh, I think they're
coming after me" sort of thing.

But it kind of to me made me think

he was going... He was
trying to... Yeah.

Fucking hell.

Paul telling Charlotte that,

"Don't you think
Harry was a bit weird

"because he cared
about the shield too much?"

Like, planting seeds about me.
That caught me off my feet.

And I mean, if he wants to come
at me, let the games begin.

And Paul is here with us now!

Don't make eye contact with him!

Paul, welcome.

He'll turn you to stone!

Wow. Welcome to Uncloaked, Paul.

Thank you. It's an absolute
delight to have you.

It's not good to be here, actually,
but, yeah. Yeah. I am here.

Yeah, we're glad you're here. Good.

Actually, these three are
absolutely terrified of you.

But let's talk about
that clip straight away.

The moment that Harry
got that fire lit under him.

Yes! How does it feel,
watching that moment back?

I just think it's bonkers
what happens in there,

because the Faithfuls almost
turn into bigger Traitors

than what the Traitors are.

So, Charlotte, in that moment, bless
her, there's no malice there.

She's just thinking that
is actually what happened.

And it wasn't.
It's not what happened at all.

It's not what happened at all.
What DID happen, Paul?

So I think it was Ross or Jasmine.

Jasmine brought it up. Jasmine.

They brought it up, and I basically
was in the conversation

but had a tiny little remark back,
but then squashed it

to remove Harry from being
even part of the equation.

Cos I think Ross then said
something along the lines of,

"Oh, I think that's
just Harry reacting.”

And I was like, "Yeah, I think it
probably was just Harry reacting.”

You were just doing what you have to
do as a Traitor, which is go

with the flow of the conversation
sometimes. You go with the flow,

but if you hear one of your other
kind of team-mates mentioned,

then you have to either deflect away
from them or offer another name

or just try and squash it
there and then type of thing.

Charlotte was right in a way,
because you were a Traitor.

And, let's be honest, you weren't
that far off from turning

on Harry anyway. Oh - no,
to be fair, with Harry,

I would never have
turned my back on him

and I wouldn't have betrayed him.
ALL PROTEST

You're such a liar! Get out!

I promise you now.

"Excuse me, I'm ready
to go to my cell."

I promise. I promise you now...

And if you believe that,
I've got magic beans to sell you.

No, I think, in my brain,
right there and then -

because when Harry did
that to me, it was a shock.

And I thought, "Oh, no, I thought
me and you were going to win it."

Like, my plan was for me and Harry
to win it, for Andrew to go,

and then we just carry on
going down that process.

So, no, there wasn't one part of me
that was going to betray Harry.

But you planted seeds for Harry.
I feel like...

You mentioned his
name a couple of times.

Well, you have to mention
everybody's name,

but it's how you mention them.

But not one part of me was
going to double cross Harry.

But Harry had already started
on you before... Harry did, yeah!

...at the round table
where Miles got banished.

Because he said to Zack, it's like
two Traitors going at each other,

which was a genius seed to plant.
Genius move.

And I think... I mean, that's...
When I watched that,

it just... It blew me away,
because I, obviously,

I know what happened from my
perspective from being in there,

but I never know what's
happening behind my back.

And it was beautiful, actually,
in the earlier episodes,

Harry was defending me and my name
would come up and he would say,

"Oh, no, it's this and that."
And he would deflect.

Whereas Miles didn't do that.

If my name came up, he wouldn't,
you know, try and deter it away

or mention another name.
He would just say, "I don't know."

Do you think your confidence had
anything to do with his decision

to actually start
planting your name?

Because you was very confident
and very - quite a strong player

and a strong Traitor.

So do you think he got
a bit insecure thinking,

"Oh, maybe he's going to throw me,"
and that's why he started?

With Harry? Yeah. 100%.

I think as soon as... Like, it
just makes so much sense now,

because at the time
it didn't really make sense.

So, almost like in Jonny's game,
the entire castle knew

that Jonny was going.

Yeah. And it was so bonkers
that we were all just sat there

and I was like, "Oh, they're
all going to vote for him,

"even though I've just
come back from the dungeon.”

Great Faithfuls!
It's so obviously me.

And I was like... But then, all the
accusations that came against me

were never too strong.

If I'm really confident
or if I'm smiley,

they're not Traitor things,
that's just my personality.

Whereas Anthony was like,

"You've come back, you've not
been killed, we've killed Meg.

"It's so obviously you."

And I think Jaz at that point
could have gone,

"Well, yeah, actually, Paul,"

because he's got that rhetoric
going, as well, bless him.

But then they didn't do it
and I didn't get a vote.

That was incredible. Very slippery.

You managed to wriggle out
of that one

and then Harry brought that back in
at your banishment.

Exactly right. But let's go back
to that dungeon episode... Yes!

...because I feel like that
was a major mistake.

Such a mistake.

I was way too cocky, just like,
the character...

Was you?!
Yeah, you might have noticed.

You might have noticed at one point,
but, yeah, I was just too, you know,

like, I'm doing this act, I'm doing
this character, and I'm just like,

"No, no, we're going to do this
and we're going to do that."

And I was like, convinced,
like, this is the way

that it's going to happen.
And then, even - you can see me

almost trying to convince myself
afterwards, like, in the turret,

I put my hood down.
"Well, that worked perfectly.”

Yeah, that was an amazing
moment where you went,

"Well, it's all gone to plan,"”
and it couldn't have gone worse.

It couldn't have gone worse! And
I was sat there, but I almost felt

like I needed to try and convince
the other guys that I was still

in control, because for some
reason I was trying to, like...

I wanted to be in control of
my own kind of fate and destiny.

I didn't want to sit back and,
yeah, that was, I guess,

the character I was playing,
the way I was trying to do it.

It just felt like the right thing
to do. Because you were pretty...

You all seemed to be convinced
that you would be saved... Yes.

...I guess, based on being voted
the most popular player...

Yeah. ..earlier.

But then you're putting someone
like Andrew in who's very -

who's very, very popular.

Yeah, exactly right.
But then I thought maybe later on

down the line, can we recruit
someone like Andrew?

And then we've already planted a
seed then that he was in the dungeon

and then maybe Andrew could go.

So, like, we're trying to lay up
strategies for the future

by bringing in characters that may
also be considered as a Traitor.

Am I reading too much into it,
or just at the end, as Harry goes

for you, is there just like a little
flicker in your eyes of going,

"Well, well, well, the student
has become the master"?

Is there a little flicker of pride
like Logan Roy in Succession?

PAUL: I loved him.

I think, for me, it's Star Wars.

Like, it richly felt like, you know,
when Darth Vader gets killed,

it was like, you know, "Harry,
I am your father" type of thing.

And he got rid of me and...

Oh, God, not another revelation!

Well, I know, that's another secret.

Is he the son?

I'm Harry's dad!

I'm just trying to get back to my
boy. He's just sat over there.

Do you know what?
there was a beautiful moment

I had with Harry. I was having
a little chat with him

and I was like,
"Oh, I really love you, man.

"We're almost like brothers, aren't we?"
I was saying that in one of my interviews.

And then Harry was like, "Oh, I said the
same to you, but more like uncle and nephew.”

And I was like, "I'm not that much
older than you, please!”

To be fair, Harry's
definition of an old person

is someone who has a wife, so...

"They've all got wives and stuff.”

That took me out!

It's such a lovely line.

I think what we all loved about you,
Paul, is clearly how much

you relished being a Traitor.
Oh, yeah.

You were there for the game,
you treated it as a game,

and you... I mean, you said
murdering people is like eating

delicious dark chocolate.
Yeah, wonderful, yeah.

Aubrey was the tastiest one
out of the bunch.

I'm joking. Sorry, Aubrey.

Sorry, Aubrey.
I'm sure he'd love to hear that.

Yeah, yeah. No, it was... And I
think... I mean, I was trying

to get into character, like,
the whole time when I was there.

I was reading American Psycho.

I was trying to picture
Patrick Bateman.

I was just thinking,
I can't break character,

and it's so funny. And I think you
were kind of like this, as well,

like, when the other Traitors
went into the interviews

and they would kind of like
talk like a normal person -

I think you did that, as well -

I couldn't do that, because
as soon as I went to normal me,

I start crumbling.
So I remained in character.

But what's interesting is you almost
see a crossover between me and Harry

where I start getting
more emotional and sensitive

because I can't keep it up.

But then it seems like Harry almost
kind of perfectly replaced me.

Especially after
he got you banished.

Exactly, and then when I was
watching that, I was like,

"Oh, my God!" Like, he's so devious.

Yeah. But when I went,
I was proud of the group.

Like, I was happy, and genuinely,
you have to be a Faithful, right?

And I was buzzing
because we got one.

NISH: Yeah. Were you reading
American Psycho

when you were in the castle?

Because that would've been
a real red flag for me.

“Do you hear
Paul's reading American Psycho?"

Yeah, yeah.
Just walking around holding it.

WILF: The thing is,
I feel like you was,

compared to every other Traitor,
apart from Amanda -

I've said this - you've been
able to separate the emotion

to the game. Tried, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, you tried. Well, you did.

Yeah. I don't think the emotion
was real all the time, Paul.

Did you cry... Oh, no, it was.
Yeah, yeah, I promise.

The son bit, was that real?

Yeah, yeah, my little boy,
I missed him dearly.

But what you said was you took that
genuine emotion about your son

and funnel led it into something else,
which is pure Patrick Bateman. CLARA LAUGHS

Which is - yeah.
I reframed it, I repositioned it.

I want to talk about how
the reaction has been

since the series has started. Yes.

How has it all been going?
How are you taking it?

I think it's... It's been the most
amazing thing I've ever seen.

And it's... I love that
we've taken part in it.

I've absolutely no regrets.
You know, like, even...

I've had a lot of love from people
online and stuff like that,

but I've also had a lot of, like,
the opposite, of get me out.

Yeah, fair. But then I'm
kind of happy with that because

even I got to the point where
I'm watching it back now going,

"He has to go. They have
to find him. THEY LAUGH

"We need to get this guy out.
He's so cocky there.”

What would you've done
if you'd been a Faithful?

Cos it seemed like you had such
a specific, worked-out plan

- for being a Traitor.
- Yeah.

What would have happened
if she hadn't tapped you?

Did you read the Bible, as well?

PAUL: Yeah. Did you read the Bible
and Norman Bates at the same time?

Because I think
you even said to Claudia

in the gold interview - you said,
"The game is being a Traitor."

Like you're almost not playing
the game if you're a Faithful.

Yeah, and I thought that. Going in,
I thought the only way to truly,

like, participate in the game

and the whole strategic nature
of it is by being a Traitor,

cos then you get to
dictate the play.

And I thought, for me,
my personality,

I'd be better to do that,
then be someone that has to hide.

But I think if I was a Faithful,
I would have been exactly the same,

except for, you know, I would
just have been my normal self

and hopefully people still
would have liked me for it.

I guess maybe I would have
been a bit of a Jonny.

Like that type of, like,
you know, people like him,

he's making people laugh
and blah blah blah.

But I think if I was a Faithful,
I wouldn't have got as far.

I think I would've been
killed quite quick.

I think you would've been...

If you are seen to be
a strategic Faithful...

Yeah. ..you get murdered early.

Oh, well, I couldn't do -
yeah, I wouldn't do that.

I would literally go in
and just be the affable guy.

Yeah. And I kind of started
doing that in episode one,

even though I knew I was a Traitor.
I was trying to be a Faithful.

So I was even saying to people,

you know, "I'm not writing
things down at night,

"I'm not really thinking about it.

"I'm just, you know,
trying to enjoy the experience.”

But every night I'm writing down,
you know, I'll do ten pages

of American Psycho and then
I'll write down people's names.

THEY LAUGH
And, you know...

We've got some of our
favourite social media posts...

OK. ..about you, Paul.

If you don't mind us reading
them out? I'll brace myself.

Sasha on X says, "I feel like this
may be a controversial opinion,

"but you can't play the Traitors
and be a nice Traitor.

"Of course you're going to come
across as a complete sociopath.

"That is literally the show.

“It is about being a joyful,
lying manipulator.

“I love it."

I mean, I agree. Yeah. I think
it is very hard to be nice

because it's going to catch up
with you at some point.

But then the biggest thing
for me was,

if 1 go into this show and not
participate in it properly

and maybe sit back and say
"I don't know",

then I probably still wouldn't have
won and I still would have gone,

"Oh, well, if only I, you know,
tried a bit of a strategy

and tried to own it a bit more,"
type of thing. Yeah.

Well, what Wilf did very cleverly
on his series of the Traitors

is...was a sociopath,
enjoyed killing people,

then at the end showed real emotion,
and now everyone loves him. Yes.

But would you have liked to have
been in the turret with Paul?

Do you know what? Probably not,

because my game plan
was to stick together.

I know you probably
won't believe that,

but it actually was.

It was... The only person I brought
on to possibly back stab was Kieran.

And if I went in with this guy
and he was doing it straightaway,

I'd feel very insecure
very quickly. Yeah.

No, you'd be fine.
WILF LAUGHS

Wilf, are you OK?

THEY LAUGH

The best line from the whole
show is them two words.

"You OK?" "You OK?"

"Paul from the Traitors
was on Deal Or No Deal

"and won 10p. No wonder he's evil."

THEY LAUGH
Oh...

10p?! The supervillain origin story.

That is, yeah.

To be fair, that is more than
you won on The Traitors. It's not...

Oh!
THEY LAUGH

Now, look, we continue the chat
over on BBC Sounds

because we've got
so much more to talk about.

I want Paul to rate
his fellow Traitors,

and I want to get his reaction
to the huge revelation

that Diane and Ross - Diana Ross -

are secret mother and son.

But for now, thank you so much

to Nish, Clara, Wilf
and, of course, Paul!

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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join us straight after
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We're getting closer to the end.

There are just two Traitors left.

And are their days numbered?

I'm Ed Gamble. Stay faithful.