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Welcome to Traitors: Uncloaked,
the official visualised podcast.

I'm your host, Ed Gamble,

and we are going to be talking
about episode six of The Traitors,

and what an episode.

So if you've not seen episode six
of The Traitors,

what are you doing here, you
lunatic?

Get onto BBC iPlayer.

Watching Uncloaked before you've
watched the actual main episode

is Traitor behaviour.
Go away.

On the way, twinkle-toes newsreader
Krishnan Guru-Murthy,

hilarious Traitors superfan
Suzi Ruffell, plus we'll be hearing

from actual banished Anthony

and murdered Tracey from the show,

and we have the exclusive
never-before-seen moment

that they both found out
the identity of our Traitors.

APPLAUSE

This programme contains some
strong language

It's a lot. We've got a lot to get
through, guys.

Yeah. It's big. It's big stuff.

You are here, I think, on the most
eventful episode, Suzi and Krishnan.

Krishnan, actually, we were going
to ask you,

could you maybe summarise
the events of tonight's episode

in a sort of news headline format?

A sort of a pre-title headline?

I think probably something like...

Madcap murder mystery
as Traitors ask, seriously,

what does a poisoned chalice look
like?

Oh, love it.

He's good, isn't he? That makes me
want to watch the episode again.

That's so exciting.

So, it's the end of week two.

So much is happening.

It's really hotting up.

Some fascinating group dynamics
in this episode in particular.

We've got a lot to talk about.

Spoilers are coming now, obviously.

Everyone's starting to suspect Zack.

Zack's suspecting Anthony.

Diane's not even sure if she can
trust her own son, which is huge.

We've also had, possibly, one
of the best Traitors missions

we've ever seen in the searchlights.

I certainly wouldn't be very good
at it. But before all that,

we have to start at the end
because, as we've just seen,

our Traitors were given a seemingly
impossible extra mission.

"Traitors, tonight there will be
no secret meeting in the turret.

"Instead, you must murder
in plain sight."

Oh, my...diddly days.

"Before the night is through,

"you must decide with your fellow
Traitors which Faithful to murder

"you must decide with your fellow
Traitors which Faithful to murder

"and give them
the poisoned chalice."

"Oh, my diddly days!"

That's what they say in the army.
Yeah!

LAUGHTER

That's it, that's it.

You're sat there in a horrible
combat situation

and you go, "Oh, my diddly days."

I mean, look, the Traitors
have been quite cocky

up until this point, I think,
but they all seemed very nervous

about having to do this.

Yeah, they also...
It was like a farce. Yeah.

Like, "Oh, God, we can't find
the book!

"We can't find the book, the book!"
Yeah.

It was a farce,
it wasn't LIKE a farce.

Well, yeah, exactly.
It was a total farce,

and I don't think that when
they were given that mission

by the people who come up with these
things,

that they were expecting the main
issue to be finding the book.

Yeah. At one point Harry said,

"Oh, I've got to find the
Shakespeare.

"I might have to call my mum."

It's like, do you think
all Shakespeare books look the same?

Do you think your mum's going
to know...?

And at one point Paul said,

"Is this the library?"
when they were looking.

He didn't even know for sure whether
they were in the library.

"This room with all the books.
Is this the library?"

"This big book room library?
I'm not sure."

Let's just talk about how Miles
managed to convince the others

that it had to be him to do
the murder. Here's a little clip.

Yeah.

But then they might be like,
"Oh, wait, Miles was behind the bar

"and gave out the chalices, so
surely one of them was poisoned,"

so it links it to you.
But that might happen to me anyway,

because I've already poured out
people's drinks today.

Have you?

Does this seem like a logical
decision from Miles?

It's weirdly out of character,
because he's the guy who steps back.

He is.Melts into the background.

He's the one who's under the least
amount of suspicion

as a Traitor so far, I think. That's
how we've been discussing Miles.

So, to put himself out there to do
this,

does he just like being behind the
bar

and he doesn't want anyone else
to take that job?

"Well, I'm sort of the guy who's
behind the bar

"and I know where everything is,

"so if you could not mess it up for
me, that would be great."

I feel like it was a real error...
Mm...and it makes me wonder

whether fingers are going
to be pointed at him.

But there's a lot of errors in this.

I mean, this this was a brilliant
task for them

because it forced them
into a lot of errors.

Yeah, it really did,
for the first time as well.

I think it's the first time
we've seen Paul flustered.

Even going into that scene, I mean,
they were flapping around. Yeah.

Looking around, looking so
suspicious. So suspicious.

You're kind of thinking, "What on
earth are you doing?" Yeah.

And then what do we think

about the way Miles tried to give
the chalice to Diane?

Because that was who they'd decided
on, clearly.

It was quite insistent.
It was very insistent.

"Do you want the fizzy pink wine in
this cup?" Yeah!"Are you sure?"

Look what I've got here. This is
very exciting.

For BBC Sounds listeners,

I am holding the actual Shakespeare
books from the show.Is it Macbeth?

Wow! Well, it's Macbeth, Hamlet and
Othello, the three biggies.

Did Harry's mum find it?

Harry's mum's been into the studio.

She's let us know that this is the
one we're looking for.

And if I look inside, boom!

Poisoned chalice.Wow! There it is.
I'm going to get it out of here.

I mean, I found it a damn sight
quicker than they managed.

I am actually now rethinking Miles,

because I'm the person who hands out
the drinks

quite a lot in gatherings.
Yeah, we've already had four.

I'm quite used to just putting
drinks in people's hands.

So maybe Miles was thinking,
"That's what I do.

"I put drinks in people's hands,
and that's easy."

But he went about it in such a weird
way, going, like,

"Oh, this one's fizzy.
Who wants this one?"

And how did they decide on Diane?

I mean, is it because she's
the only one who likes fizzy rose?

Is she going to die for the crime
of being a summer-lovin' fun hon?

LAUGHTER

We don't know if she sips it.

This is the really important
thing to say.

If anyone was suddenly at the last
minute going to go,

"You know what, is there something
funny going on?", it might be her.

Yes! Yeah. If Diane is the one to be
murdered -

and, God, I hope she's not -

do we think that Ross is
going to be able to cope?

I think he'll be fine,

more fine than had it been the other
way round.

I worry that he just won't have
anyone to cut his crusts off.

THEY LAUGH

We'll see. If Diane does go,
we'll see how Ross reacts,

because I think he is coming into
his own

a little bit as a Faithful now,
which is,

you know, especially
in this episode.

Yeah, but I wonder whether that
means he's getting a bit bullish,

and that's when people get clipped.

Perhaps, because he's called out
a couple of Faithfuls

who've then been banished.

Yeah. We had Anthony in this
episode.

He called out Anthony, and Jonny
previously as well.

So, are people going to start
looking at Ross?

Diane certainly is.I mean,
he's clearly as clueless as everyone

when it comes to calling out
Traitors. For sure.

But he's quite good at acting
himself.

We should talk about Harry as well,
because previously on this show,

we've talked about Harry being
in thrall to Paul a little bit.

Mm-hm. Paul's very much the one
guiding the Traitors,

and Harry sort of goes
along with what Paul says.

But I really think this is the
episode

where Harry has marked himself out
as a brilliant, brilliant Traitor.

We saw one particularly clever move.

I feel awful about this, Ross.

You mentioned Jonny to me,

and then you said
just a sentence, right,

this is all it is, just a sentence.
You went, "Please don't tell Jonny."

Like, for me, it was like you
planted the seed

and then told me
not to say anything.

So I'm sorry that I've got to
say it, but that's my only truth.

I mean, I've already approached
the person I think it is.

For everyone else around
the Round Table, I've gone to Zack

because I've gone from the process
of, like,

elimination where I've put everyone
up as who I think's Faithful.

Just stunning.He's very clever.

He's really good. Really good,

because he waited for an example
of how not to do it

and he said, "Oh, I've actually
already approached the person."

It's so smart.

There was another moment as well in
this episode

where he was talking to Andrew
about Zack

and he used the term "bad Faithful".

He said, "Well, you know,
even if he's a Traitor...

"..not a Traitor, he's a bad
Faithful",

and was saying so much to Andrew,

and Andrew was sat there taking it
in,

and then Andrew used the term
"bad Faithful" at the Round Table.

He's pouring poison into
people's ears.

This is Othello-level stuff.

He's smashing it.

Yeah.He's absolutely smashing it.

I mean, yeah, it's Othello
or it's The Godfather.

I mean, it's amazing, I think,
what he's doing,

but he's utterly treacherous.

We did have a sort of
Godfathery-type moment with Paul,

because we've sort of dubbed him
the Ginger Godfather on the show.

But I think this is maybe
the time we're seeing Paul

fray around the edges a little bit.

Jaz has obviously got his sights
set on Paul...

Yes. ..but is biding his time.

They had this sit-down where
they sort of agreed

that they wouldn't vote
for each other any more

and they didn't suspect each other,

but Jaz still really has his sights
set on Paul, I think.

I want us to be tight.

And I want you to think

that I'm a Faithful,

and I want to think
you're a Faithful.

But if I'm always looking at you

and you've always got me in your
brain...

It's not working. ..then we're
fucked.

I think Paul made an error there.

Yes.By saying, "I want you to think
I'm a Faithful."

He should have said, "I want
you to KNOW that I'm a Faithful."

This is so exciting, because Paul
has been two steps ahead of everyone

up until this point, the last couple
of episodes,

and now it feels
like Jaz is one step ahead of him.

And it's so interesting to see
that.Is that a foxtrot?

LAUGHTER

It's not far off, is it?

Slow, slow, quick, yes.

Um... Yeah, but also the fact

that Jaz has now got people's
trust...

Yes, and I think it was amazing
that he's revealed that...

Yes, and I think it was amazing
that he's revealed that...

..and it's a very sad story.

It's always interesting
to hear people's reasons

for being on the show
and their back stories.

I did think it was incredibly
ironic

that Jaz was talking
about his dad's secret family

whilst Diane was sat next to hers.
Yeah!

Just waiting for Davina McCall
to walk in. Yeah, exactly.

No, I think we need to keep
an eye on Jaz.

I think he's turning into
a very, very good Faithful

and is perhaps
looking to take out Paul.Yeah.

Now, Anthony, of course,
was banished in this episode.

It was very sad to see him go

because I thought he had an
absolutely amazing episode.

Yes, agreed. I really came to love
Anthony in this episode.

And we have to talk
about his Round Table speech,

because if we're ranking Round Table
speeches, it's up there for me.

Mm-hm.

This notion that basically
when I was on the platform,

I was one way, and now I've changed
and all of that -

you can see that, you know,
if you've been around me,

especially those people who have
spent time,

who've actually spent time with me,

one thing they'll see is that who
I am has shone through consistently.

A lot of diversion is going on,
OK?

And it's very interesting to me
that there's a lot of talk

about people not bringing things
to the Round Table,

but there's a lot of people

that haven't even spoke at this
Round Table yet.

If you decide to put my name
down there,

you're going to be
8-1 down.

Simple as that.

Think about that.

Let that one sink in.

You're going to be
8-1 down.

Yes, Anthony!So good!
I would be so convinced by that.

How did that not work?

I would be just sat there
being like, "Yes, Anthony, preach!

"8-1 down!"

I mean, he brought it. Yeah.

I mean, the thing he said
about personalities,

I did want to pick up on that,
because I think that is so true.

He said that you are deciding
on who you want out

based on people's personalities,

not on whether you think they're a
Traitor or not.

Just because someone rubs
you up the wrong way,

it does not mean they're a Traitor.

But I think one of the really
interesting things coming

out of this episode is how people
fear power. Mm-hm.

There's more than one person in
there who thinks Paul is a Traitor.

Yeah.But they dare not call them
out around the Round Table

because they think he is
too powerful.

This is how despots
and dictators survive,

and you're seeing it
on The Traitors.

It's really, really interesting.

It's like a cult of personality,
almost, that...

It's not just...

It's cult of personality,

but it's fear of his power.

Yeah.They actually are scared
to raise his name

because they think he will kill
them.

Jaz has said as much, hasn't he?

He said, you know, that "If I die
tonight,

"then you've got to look at Paul."

Yeah. So he's almost saying,
"I daren't bring Paul up."

Exactly, and the whole
point of that Round Table

is to air your frustrations
or your fears and suspicions,

and they dare not point the finger.

Yeah.Because they think
Paul is too powerful.

Do you think Paul is aware
of that power that he's got?

I think Paul has a really big
sense of self

and thinks
he's controlling everything.

But, no, I don't think he realises

the extent to which people
are afraid of him.

OK, well, we've
got to talk about this mission

because it's the first
night-time mission

we've seen this series,
the grave-robbing mission.

The spotlights is an addition
as well.

I mean, I know, Andrew was caught
out straight away

just because he basically takes
up the whole graveyard.

So it's just...
Whoosh, straight across!

But we should talk about Miles
on this mission,

because his approach
was slightly controversial.

You guys, keep watching
on the right-hand side.

Miles standing on the
wall didn't help anyone.

Everyone's in different directions,

so if you're shouting
where the spotlight is,

it's different for
where everyone is.

I just think he really couldn't be
arsed to get his hands dirty.

Eyes up! I don't know how he's
helping. We can see where it comes,

so we all run out of the way
and then we all go back. OK, yeah.

Gotta listen, guys.

So, yeah, he decided to take up

this supervisory role of eagle-eye
view, shouting out encouragement,

and then saying where the
spotlights were.

It didn't look good, did it?

Because he thinks
he's become a leader. Yeah.

There was a task earlier on
in the series where he was saying,

"Everybody just looks to me for
leadership,"

so he's now convinced himself
that he is a leader.

Well, he said that about
the catapult mission.

He said, "Oh, people just seem
to think I'm a leader."

And it's because he was holding
the instructions

and reading them all out.
LAUGHTER

So that's why he's decided
to take this role.

You know when you see those men
that are very sad,

that shout at their sons playing
football?

You know the ones I mean? They do
it on the weekends.

Like every father. Yeah!
That's like... Yeah.

And it was so useless. He'd be like,
"Oh, you're in the light!"

"Yeah, I know that!" Like,
I don't think he was helping at all.

We should talk about who
I think we would all consider

the hero of the mission to be,
and that was Diane...Yes.

..who absolutely smashed it,
didn't she?

Yeah. She was running around, wasn't
she? Yeah.She was brilliant.

I mean, it sort of made me
more scared of her, the idea of -

because she's a retired teacher -

a strict teacher who can scuttle
up behind you silently and quickly

is absolutely terrifying.

I think she was just absolutely
brilliant.

It was the best mission, though,
because it sort of, um...

It was quite exciting.

You genuinely didn't know

whether they were going to get
anywhere or make any money.

Yeah, so many people went right at
the beginning.

Yeah. You thought, "Maybe this is
the one."

Now, someone who was definitely
invested

in this mission was Claudia.

We've actually made a little
montage of Claudia in this mission.

Brian!

Don't get caught!

Yes!

SHE SCREAMS

The light's coming!

Absolutely outstanding!I imagine
that's what she's like

at Strictly as well, she's just off
camera. Screaming, yes.

"Go on, Angela! Go on!"
But this is the episode

where she became a player as well,
though, didn't she? Yeah.

When she came in and told
them off at breakfast... Yes.

About Tracey, yes...she sort of
changed the mood immediately.

Yeah, she's very, very emotionally
invested.

She was very angry
they'd got rid of Jonny.

She was devastated that Tracey
had been murdered.

She took... She took the picture
with her.Yeah.

Just, yeah, fantastic to watch.

Very excitingly, it's nearly time to
meet our banished player, Anthony,

and our murdered player, Tracey.

But before we do, we have our
exclusive Uncloaked clip

of the moment in Scotland
when they find out

who the Traitors actually are.

Wait till you see this.

Anthony!

Hi.

I am dying to know,

are you a Faithful or a Traitor?

What was bestowed upon me was...

..to be a Faithful.

Aww!

I am a Faithful.

Yes. I always was.

Here we are.

Two Faithfuls. Voted off
the game.

I got basically blamed for
your murder.

But we're both Faithful.

I'm desperate to find out
who the Traitors are.

Let's do it. OK. Let's do it.

Are you ready?

Come on, hit me with it.
Hit me with it.

SHE GASPS

What?

Who? No way!

No. No, that's a...
that's a blindsided one.

Harry.

No!

THEY LAUGH

My God, no!

No, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no!

No!

That is a blindside,
isn't it?

I said, the one
person... So did I!

..the one person
who would gut me

if I found out they
were a Traitor...

That's exactly what
I said. The one person...

He's my surrogate son!

Honestly, I cannot
believe it.

That one hurt deep. That one
could bring a tear to my eye.

That's cut me to the
quick. That one cut deep.

Right, let's go for
it. We can do this.

All right, let's go
for it. OK.

SHE LAUGHS

Oh, not
another blindside.

Another blindside!
Another blindside.

No way!

Miles.

Miles! What the...?!

KRISHNAN LAUGHS

No!

You sneaky...

But do you know what?
Cos I sat next to him

at the Round Table,
and every name

that was mentioned,
he just kept saying,

"Oh, I don't know,

"I haven't had
time to process it."

So he was quite
suspicious that way.

But I'm not as shocked
by him as I am about Harry.

Harry plotted my death,
and he backed me as well.

Yeah. He went against
Zack, backed me,

and then Miles
voted for me.

Shall we see
who's next, then?

I don't know if I can
stand this any more.

I just feel like
I'm just sinking lower...

I know!
..and lower and lower.

You were right
with one of them. Paul.

I knew that! Yeah.

Good fella, but he'll
knife you in the back.

There was always going
to be a question mark

when he came out of
the dungeon and not Meg...

Thank you. ..wasn't there?

But nobody wanted
to take that one on.

At least I got one.
Yeah, you got one.

One, at least.
You got Paul.

I got zero.

I've got one, Paul.

Do you know what?
Fair play.

They're playing a
good game, aren't they?

Especially Harry.

LAUGHTER

And Anthony and Tracey

are with us now.

We're going to be talking to Tracey

remotely in just a little bit.

But first of all,
let's talk to Anthony.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Welcome, Anthony.

Absolutely amazing.

You were clearly very surprised
by a couple of those Traitors there.

Just a little bit.
LAUGHING

Just a little bit surprised.

How are you feeling now? Did you
suspect Harry or Miles at all?

I mean, from the way he threw
yourself off the chair there,

it would suggest not, but...

To be honest, Harry
really blindsided me... Yeah.

..because we'd done a lot
of missions together,

and he was, you know, somebody you
want on your team. Mm-hm.

You know, if you're going to go
into battle,

he's somebody you really
want on your team.

You know, he worked so hard, and...

..and he actually took some time
out with me, as well,

you know, on a one-to-one,
personal level.

And, you know, I just didn't
see him coming.

And what about Miles?

You seemed very surprised
by Miles, as well.

Miles...

Oh, Milesy, Milesy, Milesy...

ED LAUGHS

Now, you see, with Miles,
it was the fact that, you know,

he didn't... We didn't have that
much of an interaction... Mm-hm.

..but he always managed to
manipulate the crowd somehow.

And while staying far from me.

Yeah.You know, there was always...
He stayed far from me.

So I didn't really...
I wasn't just...

I just never had him on my radar.

I never was close enough with him

to pick up on anything,
really, you know.

In hindsight, do you think
he was keeping distance from you

because you were...? Like, I mean,
you had your suspicions about Paul.

Yeah. So did you think that he was
like, "I can't get too close"?

That could have well been a theory,

because at the time I was trying
to work out who was associated

with Paul because I was dead set
on Paul. Mm-hm. Yeah.

But I was just thinking,
"Who is associated with him?"

But because Paul is so charismatic,
he's so funny, the group love him,

But because Paul is so charismatic,
he's so funny, the group love him,

he's a strong personality, it was
difficult to work out

who was his bosom buddies.

Yes.You know, so...

But Miles...

ANTHONY HUFFS,
THEY LAUGH

He passed undetected. Oh, God!

You know what? Kudos,
well done, Miles.

Yeah.Well done, Miles.
You played a great game.

Let's talk about your banishment
and your epic Round Table speech.

What was going through your mind
when you launched into that?

I mean, it's the best
Round Table speech

we've seen this series, I think.

Why, thank you! Why, thank you!

No, I mean, I tell you what, I had
it pictured in my mind.

I wanted to... If I'm going to go
out, I want to go out like Scarface.

THEY LAUGH

I want to go out like
Tony Montana on the balcony.

Yeah.That's what I want to go out.

So, I was like,
if I'm going to go out,

I'm talking the truth, and I'm going
to go out all guns blazing.

You certainly did that, and you
certainly talked the truth,

because I don't think anyone else
had vocalised that the tactic

at the moment amongst the Faithful
seems to be getting rid of people

based on personalities, not whether
they think they're Traitors or not.

And I was so happy that someone
actually brought that up.

It was a highly, you know,
emotional moment.

Were you angry?

Absolutely. I was furious!

Yeah. I was furious, cos I was
like, "It's now or never."

You know, there comes a time

when you just know it's now
or never.

Did you think you could turn
it around in that moment

while you were making the speech?

Or, in your mind, were you like,
"This is the end for me,

"I'm going to go out
all guns blazing"?

Or did you think there was a chance

that speech might have saved things
for you?

I always know, even in the
worst situation,

try and keep your mind
positive... Mm-hm.

..cos if you look for that grain of
opportunity, it could be there.

So it was all out and this could be
a moment to change things around.

So it was all out and this could be
a moment to change things around.

And if it does, then I've...

You know, hopefully I can step
out of the firing line

for one Round Table, at least. Yeah.

There was a lot of talk
at this Round Table

about your personality changing

from the time people met you on the
train platform,

before the Traitors were selected,

to after the Traitor selection,

people said your personality
was different.

Could you see why people
were saying that?

I...

SIGHS
I guess to a certain degree, but...

It's really difficult.

In all fairness,
it's really difficult,

cos you come to the game, and you
think that you know

what's going to happen and how
you're going to manage yourself,

and then you get thrown
in the situation,

and you meet people and, you know,
we can just have fun,

and then all of a sudden
it's game time. Mm-hm.

And now if you sneeze, somebody
is looking at you like that.

THEY LAUGH

You cough...
COUGHS

"He's got to be a Traitor."

Cos this is my opinion on it -

surely everyone's
personalities change

from before the Traitor selection
to after the Traitor selection,

cos you're either a Traitor
or you're looking for a Traitor,

or you're worried that,
as a Faithful,

people are going to think
you're a Traitor,

so everyone must have changed.

So, to pick up with that
on you

seemed particularly harsh, I felt.

Yeah. I mean, I thought...

You know what? It thought it
was a copout. Yeah.

I was like, "OK, everybody's
got to change,

"you know, we're changing in some
way, some shape, some form."

It's natural. It's what's going
to happen.

I can be two different people.

I can be that person who's
analytical in a room.

I might seem aloof because
I'm just being analytical.

I have to gather information.

It's all about
intelligence gathering,

so I'm taking time to observe
and see,

so that might make me appear aloof.

But then I can come into a situation
and I can be charismatic

and I can get on with people,
you know?

So... And that in itself might make
me seem like I'm a Traitor, as well.

Now, we're about to speak to Tracey.

Did you ever suspect that Tracey
might have been a Traitor?

Tracey was never on my radar
as a Traitor.

Well, let's have a look at the
moment that poor old Tracey

got biffed off at the top
of this episode.

"Dear Tracey, by the order
of the Traitors,

"you have been murdered.

"Signed, the Traitors."

A-a-a-ah!

Because my gift of seeing people's
auras and being quite psychic,

I was going to be such an asset
to the Faithfuls,

which is probably why they
murdered me.

And joining us
remotely, it's Tracey!

Welcome, Tracey.

Now, you said there in the VT

that we've just seen,

that you thought that people

might have murdered you because

of the sort of psychic element

to your life.

Do you think people were scared

of that part of
part of your personality?

Well, to start with, I was
telling everybody

that I had this gift

and I could read their auras.

And then I thought, "Hang on a
minute, I'm going to be bumped off

"the first night at this rate."

So then I started
really reining it in

and being really quiet about it.

So I wasn't really speaking
about it

to any of the other contestants.

And I think a few of them were...

..will even be surprised.

Did it inform your
strategy going into the game?

Because I know there's
this aura reading skill

that you have, but also,
you know, you work

for the NHS, you
manage a very large team,

so there's lots of
different strings

to your bow.

Was that all informing

how you attacked the game?

Yeah, absolutely.

You know, I'm used
to being a manager,

I'm used to arguing with
NHS managers.

ED CHUCKLES

And also I would like to say,

being a sonographer, I work
in the dark,

and I felt like I was completely
in the dark

the whole time I was in the castle.

ED LAUGHS

When we saw you find out

who the Traitors were,

Harry in particular

seemed to surprise you.

In fact, you referred to him

as a surrogate son.

How do you feel about Harry now,

knowing that he was a Traitor

and the relationship that you had

with him in the castle?

I was absolutely
blindsided by Harry.

He is playing such a good game.

And, yeah, we had, like, a good

mother-son relationship.

We were so close, we would...we
would chat to each other.

I literally never suspected him
for a single, single second.

I literally never suspected him
for a single, single second.

There was a lot of chat

about people's
personalities changing,

as we've just talked
to Anthony about,

from the day that you met

through to later on
in the castle.

Did you see that happen?

As someone who can pick up

on these little
changes in auras,

is that something that you
observed in the castle?

Definitely.

And I was so confused

because everybody's aura
is constantly changing.

And it becomes very...closed in and
not as vibrant

And it becomes very...closed in and
not as vibrant

if you're trying to hide something,

if you're trying to stay
off the radar, if you're ill.

And so, like, literally, I saw
everybody's auras

completely changed. And I was like,
"It could be anybody. I've got..."

I was so clueless.

Is there anything that you

personally would have
done different

to stay a little
bit longer, Tracey?

Cos obviously
being murdered

is such a difficult way

to go out of the game.

But do you think you would

have done
anything differently

to maybe get yourself
off the Traitors' radar?

I think it's so difficult to play.

Like, you can't be too loud,
you can't be too quiet.

It's an incredibly
difficult game.Yeah.

And being murdered
is so annoying

because it's literally
out of your control.

You know, if you're banished

or if you're under target
at the Round Table,

at least you could fight
for your life.

But, no, just...

You think you're
going to bed,

but, no, you're being
murdered instead.

Yeah.
ED CHUCKLES

We've got so much more that we want
to talk

to our brilliant guests about,

so much more to discuss
about this episode,

and, of course, Anthony and Tracey's
experience on the Traitors.

See you over on BBC Sounds.

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

Thank you so much to my
wonderful guests -

Suzi, Krishnan, Anthony, and Tracey.

APPLAUSE

And, of course, do join me
on Wednesday after episode seven.

We are very excited.

Will Diane sip from the
poisoned chalice?

It's so nerve-racking!

But, for now, I've been Ed Gamble -
stay Faithful.