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(CHATTERING INDISTINCTLY)
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I've had two babies, you see.
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If you're counting.
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I was 16, the first one.
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A boy from our street was the father,
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though that's a bloody grown-up word for a boy that age.
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Course he couldn't marry me.
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He had an uncle who'd made good in Cardiff
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as an undertaker and was going to train him up.
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Dad said, "Well, he can probably be trusted with dead bodies".
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Mum didn't like that.
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I didn't see the point in coming up with a name for her.
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Dad asked the man at the Home and Colonial to take me on,
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as I'd best earn a living.
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Mum said, "Men don't like damaged goods".
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Well, they won't if you call them damaged goods.
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I liked it at the shop, all the foods. (CHUCKLES)
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After I'd had the baby, Mum made me sit at the back in church,
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away from the family
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to show she was taking our collective shame seriously.
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And that's where I met Michael.
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They were a bit posh, his family,
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well, compared to the rest of the congregation.
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Not posh compared to what I met after through Michael, you know.
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He was new at church.
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A bit older,
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but he took to sitting at the back with me, so he could make jokes.
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Not to shock me. He knew I was hardly a nun.
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Michael didn't believe in God, but he liked the singing.
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I used to laugh at his singing.
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"Do I sing funny?" he asked. "No", I said.
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"You sing lovely, that's what's funny". (LAUGHS)
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I says to him he should be in the choir,
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but he said he liked sitting with me
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and that you can't muck about if you're in the choir.
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"Or", he said, "in the case of this choir, sing in bloody tune".
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Two months after he first set eyes on me,
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he asked me to marry him.
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I didn't see it coming.
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Not because of my scandal.
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It just hadn't occurred. He was my pal. We had a laugh.
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And it was his little brother, Charlie, I'd got me eye on.
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Charlie.
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He'd just started in the police,
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and he had such thick dark hair,
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he always looked like he hadn't shaved since yesterday.
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He's gone to seed now, Charlie, like some men do.
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Dad said it was up to me if I married Michael.
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Mum said, "How soon can you do it?"
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I just thought,
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"Well, Alice, it could be fun".
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It was his parents got us the weekend in Brighton.
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We got in the hotel room and the curtains were shut tight,
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even though it was broad daylight outside.
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"I think they're dropping hints", I said.
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Michael seemed not to hear that
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and he went and straightened a picture on the wall.
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I sat on the bed.
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And there was a vase of little flowers on the bedside table
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so I took one out and put it between my lips
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like I'm some sort of, well I don't know...
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Only cos of the dark, I hadn't realised
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the flowers were made of bloody cloth,
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so I'm sat there all demure spitting fluff and dust out my mouth.
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He laughed at that, we both did,
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so I patted the bed beside me like this...
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But he didn't seem to...
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Well, I thought you were meant to get straight to it see,
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what with how people bang on about honeymoons with their winks and nudges.
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I say people.
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Silly girls who wouldn't know sex from tobogganing.
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Michael looks me up and down like he's taking me in.
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And he says,
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"That bedspread is the same pattern as your dress".
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He goes to the window and opens the curtains.
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It wasn't a sea view, but he stands there anyway,
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peering outside with all the specks of dust swarming around his head.
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"He must be nervous", I thought.
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That'll be it. That's what I thought.
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Well, he'd probably not done it before
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and of course, he knew I had.
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So I said, "Come on, let's go out".
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Out of the hotel, I mean.
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We had supper, and went dancing
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at one of the smarter ones on the front which had palm trees and a band.
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He's a lovely mover, he is, Michael.
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When the band stopped, we were both half cut.
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Well, half is an understatement.
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So we stumbled back, fell into bed and passed out.
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The second night, he said he felt sick.
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We lived with Helen and Jack at first.
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That's Michael's mum and dad.
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Oh they treated me nice, but...
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I looked forward to him coming home of a night.
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I'd stopped working at the Home and Colonial, see,
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'cause Mr Barrett didn't think it right for a married woman to stay on.
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Michael would come in 8:00, 9:00, even 10:00 sometimes,
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bit of supper, game of cards.
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He said he was funny about sex,
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what with his mum and dad sleeping only in the next room.
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So,
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I'd lie there with him breathing next to me, gentle enough,
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and his dad snoring like heavy artillery from through the wall.
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Well, it was only for a few weeks.
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Now, when we got our flat,
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well, you should've seen it, mum's face.
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Helen and Jack had helped us out you see, so it was, you know.
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Michael got this young handyman he'd met in a pub
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to come round and put up a big new mirror in our bedroom.
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Came round in the day when Michael was at work.
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Nice-looking chap he was,
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all strong in his rolled-up sleeves.
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And his shoulders, when he lifted the thing up,
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I had to stop myself saying something.
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He wouldn't stay for a cup of tea after,
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he had more calls to make.
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As he left, he stopped in the door to bid me, "Good day, ma'am",
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and said would I thank my nice husband for him.
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When he'd gone,
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I stood looking in the mirror.
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The room seemed twice the size.
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I took my clothes off,
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all of them.
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I don't know why.
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Curtains were open and everything,
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dress and petticoat on the floor.
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Come on, Alice, let's have a look at you.
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I can get fat if I'm not careful.
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Fat on my hips and arms and on my neck
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and it doesn't look nice on me like with some women.
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Course it was natural,
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with me not being on my feet all day in the shop no more, but,
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all I could think was,
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"Well, I wouldn't fuck me".
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Well, it's easily solved innit? You eat less.
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One night,
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this is five, six months later,
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he comes home late as ever.
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He's a few drinks inside him
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and he's got this new briefcase,
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proper shiny chestnut job with gold fasteners.
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A present he says.
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"Did work give you that?"
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He says, "No, it was from a friend".
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"You've got nice friends", I said.
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"I have", he said, sort of proud
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and sheepish at the same time.
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A few weeks later, it was cuff links.
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He was pleased as punch with them till he realised
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he didn't have any of the right sort of shirts with holes in.
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And when he came home the next night, I was waiting for him.
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"Is it a woman bought you those presents?"
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He shakes his head.
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Sits down on the arm of the armchair,
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which his mum always told him off for doing
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because it puts the frame out of shape.
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"It's not a woman", he says.
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He puts his head in his hands.
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"It's not women".
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(CHUCKLES)
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I knew right away what he meant.
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It was like the room shifted.
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Like when they cut to a different angle in a film scene,
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or like how everything seems to settle different after you step off a carousel.
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So I go from feeling fat to feeling bloody stupid.
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He looks more surprised than me that he's said it.
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I tell him,
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"I can't be your wife, can I?"
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He looked surprised at that too.
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You know what he said?
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"I'd miss you, Alice".
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(SCOFFS)
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"I'd miss you".
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Next week, Helen invites me to lunch.
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Well, I can hardly say I'm busy. (CHUCKLES)
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She gives me a hug right there in the porch.
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She's more, erm... Oh, what's the word...
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Er, demonstrative than Mum is,
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and you go along with it, but,
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this time it's verging on assault.
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She says we'll eat in the kitchen, it's less formal.
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Well, it's also the only room in the house that's properly warm
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so it suits me well enough.
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On the table, there's a bottle of wine.
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"I know it's lunch but I thought we'd be naughty", she says.
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"It's a good one apparently, so don't tell my husband".
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Calm down, love, I wasn't thinking to leave him a note.
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She's done us chops with cauliflower cheese which she knows I like.
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"How's the flat?" "Nice, thank you".
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Her napkin's fallen off her lap onto the floor three times
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so she gives up on it and puts it on the table instead,
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clenched in her hand.
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And then she comes out with it.
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"You're having trouble", she says.
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"It's not me with the trouble", I say.
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"We know how Michael is", she says.
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Oh.
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It sounds stupid, but it is really bothering me
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that the woman has somehow got cheese sauce on her wrist and she hasn't noticed
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and I now can't mention it because it's not quite the moment.
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"It doesn't mean he can't be a good husband to you", she says.
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"Better that than drink, or gambling, or illness,
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"or women".
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Thing is, and this is God's own truth
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I don't give a monkey's what he gets up to elsewhere, but...
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Well, what I say to her is,
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"If it was women, at least he might show me some interest too".
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Bugger it, I'm close to crying but I don't.
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She reaches out her hand to me and before she can touch me,
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thank God, she finally notices the muck on her wrist.
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"He's very fond of you", she says,
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"and so are we". And then, this is my mother-in-law,
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and then she says, "If that's all that's missing,
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"can't you just pretend everything is normal,
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"and if you have needs, occasionally,
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"I'm sure if you're careful, you can go elsewhere".
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They'll look after me well, she says.
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I'll have a good life.
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She says I won't have forgotten
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how his brother's a policeman
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and it would all be very difficult for him if word got out,
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and how surely after my own mishap,
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I, of all people, know how important it is to appear respectable.
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I walk home,
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hour and a half, even though the wind's up.
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I can't face the Tube.
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When Michael gets in, nearly midnight it is,
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he sees my face and he looks like he's just watched his own death.
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"I'm so sorry", he says,
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"It wasn't my idea".
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I just run at him,
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hitting him in the chest over and over and over until I crumple and...
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And he holds me tight.
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"You got so bloody skinny", he says.
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He asks, will I let him make me tea
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and put me to bed,
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and in the morning, I can think what I want to do
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and he will help me, whatever I decide.
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Well, I don't have anywhere else to go, that I'd want to go.
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We don't say a word until I'm in bed.
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I'm shattered.
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He gets in too, I don't stop him.
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And then, in the dark and safe with my back to him,
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I say,
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"It was your brother I always fancied".
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(CHUCKLES)
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He snorts into my neck.
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"Yeah, you and half of London", he says.
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He puts an arm round me,
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his hand warm and flat on my tummy,
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like he sometimes does.
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A minute later, he's cupping my breast.
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Usually he stays well clear, but,
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no mistake.
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It feels electric.
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He shuffles himself up close behind me so...
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I can feel that he's hard.
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My heart's bloody pounding so loud, I can hear it.
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I keep my eyes shut even though it's dark
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and I can hear the clock ticking from his side of the bed,
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slower than my heart's beating,
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everything out of pace.
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But it's nice.
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His hand slides back down from my breast to my stomach.
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And further down,
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until he finds me.
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And his mouth is hot on my neck.
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I don't respond to any of it
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until I do.
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(CHUCKLES)
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So now we were what you call properly husband and wife.
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A month later,
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the doctor tells me I'm to start feeding myself properly.
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And that I'm pregnant.
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That's Salim over there, just come in.
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The Arab looking one.
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Obviously.
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He's very charming.
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Not unflirtatious with me either,
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considering he usually walks in here with one man and leaves with another.
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I'll say hello in a minute.
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He'll ask what I'm doing in here by myself.
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He's very direct, you see, with his being foreign.
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In here without Michael, is what he'll mean.
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Well, why not?
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It's as much my pub as his these days, in a way.
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Especially since Violet moved out and that's,
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God, nearly ten years. Can you believe it?
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Violet, that's our daughter.
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When she was a couple of years old,
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I suggested to Michael he might bring friends over more often, if he wanted.
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Friends or... You know.
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Better that than not seeing him.
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Better that than nights in without him.
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He was shy about it at first,
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he'd always been very discreet, you couldn't fault him.
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But we soon had men about.
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Still do.
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They come over, one or more of them, play cards, have a few drinks.
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He does very well for himself, Michael.
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He didn't go to seed like his brother, see.
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I don't know how he finds them.
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Well, who cares?
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I should go.
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I only came into town to buy theatre tickets for his birthday.
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I know, fancy.
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Me and him and Tony, he's Michael's current friend.
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Been a few weeks now,
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older than he usually goes for, more settled, you know.
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Then Violet and her fella,
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oh, and a couple we're friendly with, George and Pierre.
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Pierre's not French, he's from Carlisle.
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He said to me once, he said,
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"Alice, me and George is just like any other normal long time couple
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"we ain't had it off in years.
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"At least not with each other".
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(LAUGHS)
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Last Friday,
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it was, in the afternoon
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when I found out it had become...
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(SIGHS) How would you say it,
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an appropriate subject for public discussion.
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Tony came round, Michael's Tony. He'd left his wallet at ours.
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Michael was at work.
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And Tony puts a newspaper article into my hands
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that he's cut out.
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"What do you make of this, Alice?"
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The Report on Homosexual Offences.
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The headline's just three words: Crime and Sin.
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"Imagine that, Alice", he says.
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"Two men being allowed to do what they like, legal.
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"No pretending".
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And he goes.
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But you see, for Michael, it's not like with George and Pierre.
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They can do what they like.
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George is an actor and Pierre cuts ladies' hair.
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Michael's got a respectable job.
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It's been nice for him, having a wife, having a family.
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Anyway, even if things were legal... Normal, even,
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he wouldn't want to go off and live all
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happy-couples with a man.
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Not at his age. Not at our age.
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It wouldn't make him happier, would it?
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He's got all he needs, always has,
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hasn't he?
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Well...
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This was Friday, like I say, so it's cinema night
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and we were going to see The Bridge Over the River Kwai.
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It was very good actually, it's our sort of film.
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We don't go for the romantic ones,
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though there's usually a bit of that isn't there, for the ladies.
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And as we're knocking back a quick supper,
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I nearly ask him,
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"What do you think about this Wolfenden Report thing?"
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Not 'cause I'm...
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Not because I'm worried.
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Just interest, you know.
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But I don't say anything.
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We go to the pictures and he holds my hand.
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As we're walking home, about half way,
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without stopping or looking at me or anything,
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he says out of the blue,
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"I'd miss you, Alice".
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