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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,330 --> 00:00:12,721 (CHATTERING INDISTINCTLY) 2 00:00:28,465 --> 00:00:29,821 I've had two babies, you see. 3 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:31,107 If you're counting. 4 00:00:32,219 --> 00:00:35,590 I was 16, the first one. 5 00:00:35,729 --> 00:00:37,989 A boy from our street was the father, 6 00:00:38,127 --> 00:00:41,325 though that's a bloody grown-up word for a boy that age. 7 00:00:41,464 --> 00:00:43,376 Course he couldn't marry me. 8 00:00:43,515 --> 00:00:45,183 He had an uncle who'd made good in Cardiff 9 00:00:45,322 --> 00:00:48,033 as an undertaker and was going to train him up. 10 00:00:48,173 --> 00:00:51,370 Dad said, "Well, he can probably be trusted with dead bodies". 11 00:00:52,829 --> 00:00:54,151 Mum didn't like that. 12 00:00:57,140 --> 00:00:59,711 I didn't see the point in coming up with a name for her. 13 00:01:03,709 --> 00:01:06,906 Dad asked the man at the Home and Colonial to take me on, 14 00:01:07,046 --> 00:01:08,991 as I'd best earn a living. 15 00:01:09,131 --> 00:01:11,738 Mum said, "Men don't like damaged goods". 16 00:01:11,877 --> 00:01:14,309 Well, they won't if you call them damaged goods. 17 00:01:16,465 --> 00:01:20,010 I liked it at the shop, all the foods. (CHUCKLES) 18 00:01:22,165 --> 00:01:27,343 After I'd had the baby, Mum made me sit at the back in church, 19 00:01:27,483 --> 00:01:28,943 away from the family 20 00:01:29,081 --> 00:01:33,218 to show she was taking our collective shame seriously. 21 00:01:33,356 --> 00:01:35,059 And that's where I met Michael. 22 00:01:36,242 --> 00:01:37,979 They were a bit posh, his family, 23 00:01:38,118 --> 00:01:40,655 well, compared to the rest of the congregation. 24 00:01:40,794 --> 00:01:45,035 Not posh compared to what I met after through Michael, you know. 25 00:01:45,173 --> 00:01:46,529 He was new at church. 26 00:01:46,669 --> 00:01:48,371 A bit older, 27 00:01:48,510 --> 00:01:51,674 but he took to sitting at the back with me, so he could make jokes. 28 00:01:51,812 --> 00:01:55,740 Not to shock me. He knew I was hardly a nun. 29 00:01:55,879 --> 00:01:58,729 Michael didn't believe in God, but he liked the singing. 30 00:02:00,050 --> 00:02:01,614 I used to laugh at his singing. 31 00:02:01,753 --> 00:02:03,561 "Do I sing funny?" he asked. "No", I said. 32 00:02:03,699 --> 00:02:07,244 "You sing lovely, that's what's funny". (LAUGHS) 33 00:02:07,383 --> 00:02:09,781 I says to him he should be in the choir, 34 00:02:09,921 --> 00:02:12,458 but he said he liked sitting with me 35 00:02:12,597 --> 00:02:15,343 and that you can't muck about if you're in the choir. 36 00:02:15,482 --> 00:02:18,923 "Or", he said, "in the case of this choir, sing in bloody tune". 37 00:02:21,112 --> 00:02:24,623 Two months after he first set eyes on me, 38 00:02:24,762 --> 00:02:27,056 he asked me to marry him. 39 00:02:27,195 --> 00:02:29,037 I didn't see it coming. 40 00:02:29,176 --> 00:02:31,678 Not because of my scandal. 41 00:02:31,818 --> 00:02:35,953 It just hadn't occurred. He was my pal. We had a laugh. 42 00:02:37,692 --> 00:02:41,028 And it was his little brother, Charlie, I'd got me eye on. 43 00:02:42,314 --> 00:02:43,426 Charlie. 44 00:02:44,921 --> 00:02:46,589 He'd just started in the police, 45 00:02:46,729 --> 00:02:48,883 and he had such thick dark hair, 46 00:02:49,023 --> 00:02:52,011 he always looked like he hadn't shaved since yesterday. 47 00:02:53,819 --> 00:02:57,607 He's gone to seed now, Charlie, like some men do. 48 00:02:59,763 --> 00:03:02,508 Dad said it was up to me if I married Michael. 49 00:03:02,647 --> 00:03:05,428 Mum said, "How soon can you do it?" 50 00:03:06,505 --> 00:03:08,139 I just thought, 51 00:03:09,216 --> 00:03:12,031 "Well, Alice, it could be fun". 52 00:03:15,368 --> 00:03:18,496 It was his parents got us the weekend in Brighton. 53 00:03:18,636 --> 00:03:21,798 We got in the hotel room and the curtains were shut tight, 54 00:03:21,937 --> 00:03:24,613 even though it was broad daylight outside. 55 00:03:24,752 --> 00:03:27,359 "I think they're dropping hints", I said. 56 00:03:27,499 --> 00:03:29,201 Michael seemed not to hear that 57 00:03:29,340 --> 00:03:31,287 and he went and straightened a picture on the wall. 58 00:03:32,677 --> 00:03:34,172 I sat on the bed. 59 00:03:34,311 --> 00:03:36,605 And there was a vase of little flowers on the bedside table 60 00:03:36,743 --> 00:03:39,003 so I took one out and put it between my lips 61 00:03:39,142 --> 00:03:42,061 like I'm some sort of, well I don't know... 62 00:03:42,201 --> 00:03:45,225 Only cos of the dark, I hadn't realised 63 00:03:45,363 --> 00:03:47,379 the flowers were made of bloody cloth, 64 00:03:47,519 --> 00:03:51,481 so I'm sat there all demure spitting fluff and dust out my mouth. 65 00:03:51,620 --> 00:03:53,983 He laughed at that, we both did, 66 00:03:55,304 --> 00:03:58,015 so I patted the bed beside me like this... 67 00:03:59,718 --> 00:04:00,900 But he didn't seem to... 68 00:04:02,638 --> 00:04:06,392 Well, I thought you were meant to get straight to it see, 69 00:04:06,530 --> 00:04:11,118 what with how people bang on about honeymoons with their winks and nudges. 70 00:04:11,257 --> 00:04:12,648 I say people. 71 00:04:12,787 --> 00:04:16,783 Silly girls who wouldn't know sex from tobogganing. 72 00:04:19,460 --> 00:04:21,754 Michael looks me up and down like he's taking me in. 73 00:04:21,893 --> 00:04:23,527 And he says, 74 00:04:23,665 --> 00:04:26,898 "That bedspread is the same pattern as your dress". 75 00:04:29,192 --> 00:04:32,494 He goes to the window and opens the curtains. 76 00:04:32,633 --> 00:04:36,073 It wasn't a sea view, but he stands there anyway, 77 00:04:36,213 --> 00:04:41,357 peering outside with all the specks of dust swarming around his head. 78 00:04:43,025 --> 00:04:45,145 "He must be nervous", I thought. 79 00:04:45,285 --> 00:04:47,960 That'll be it. That's what I thought. 80 00:04:48,100 --> 00:04:49,733 Well, he'd probably not done it before 81 00:04:49,873 --> 00:04:51,471 and of course, he knew I had. 82 00:04:52,897 --> 00:04:56,302 So I said, "Come on, let's go out". 83 00:04:56,442 --> 00:04:58,492 Out of the hotel, I mean. 84 00:04:58,631 --> 00:05:00,717 We had supper, and went dancing 85 00:05:00,856 --> 00:05:04,192 at one of the smarter ones on the front which had palm trees and a band. 86 00:05:04,331 --> 00:05:07,146 He's a lovely mover, he is, Michael. 87 00:05:07,286 --> 00:05:10,136 When the band stopped, we were both half cut. 88 00:05:10,274 --> 00:05:13,611 Well, half is an understatement. 89 00:05:13,751 --> 00:05:17,505 So we stumbled back, fell into bed and passed out. 90 00:05:19,033 --> 00:05:23,170 The second night, he said he felt sick. 91 00:05:27,653 --> 00:05:29,460 We lived with Helen and Jack at first. 92 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,615 That's Michael's mum and dad. 93 00:05:31,754 --> 00:05:34,327 Oh they treated me nice, but... 94 00:05:34,465 --> 00:05:37,246 I looked forward to him coming home of a night. 95 00:05:37,385 --> 00:05:39,506 I'd stopped working at the Home and Colonial, see, 96 00:05:39,644 --> 00:05:44,719 'cause Mr Barrett didn't think it right for a married woman to stay on. 97 00:05:44,858 --> 00:05:50,141 Michael would come in 8:00, 9:00, even 10:00 sometimes, 98 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:52,991 bit of supper, game of cards. 99 00:05:53,130 --> 00:05:54,868 He said he was funny about sex, 100 00:05:55,007 --> 00:05:57,683 what with his mum and dad sleeping only in the next room. 101 00:05:57,822 --> 00:05:59,490 So, 102 00:05:59,630 --> 00:06:03,175 I'd lie there with him breathing next to me, gentle enough, 103 00:06:03,314 --> 00:06:07,728 and his dad snoring like heavy artillery from through the wall. 104 00:06:07,867 --> 00:06:10,300 Well, it was only for a few weeks. 105 00:06:11,551 --> 00:06:14,019 Now, when we got our flat, 106 00:06:14,158 --> 00:06:17,495 well, you should've seen it, mum's face. 107 00:06:17,633 --> 00:06:22,257 Helen and Jack had helped us out you see, so it was, you know. 108 00:06:25,141 --> 00:06:28,130 Michael got this young handyman he'd met in a pub 109 00:06:28,269 --> 00:06:31,258 to come round and put up a big new mirror in our bedroom. 110 00:06:31,397 --> 00:06:33,865 Came round in the day when Michael was at work. 111 00:06:34,004 --> 00:06:35,985 Nice-looking chap he was, 112 00:06:36,125 --> 00:06:38,696 all strong in his rolled-up sleeves. 113 00:06:38,836 --> 00:06:41,860 And his shoulders, when he lifted the thing up, 114 00:06:41,998 --> 00:06:45,092 I had to stop myself saying something. 115 00:06:45,231 --> 00:06:46,899 He wouldn't stay for a cup of tea after, 116 00:06:47,038 --> 00:06:48,985 he had more calls to make. 117 00:06:49,123 --> 00:06:52,530 As he left, he stopped in the door to bid me, "Good day, ma'am", 118 00:06:52,668 --> 00:06:57,326 and said would I thank my nice husband for him. 119 00:07:00,384 --> 00:07:01,636 When he'd gone, 120 00:07:02,505 --> 00:07:03,965 I stood looking in the mirror. 121 00:07:04,104 --> 00:07:06,051 The room seemed twice the size. 122 00:07:08,205 --> 00:07:09,456 I took my clothes off, 123 00:07:10,394 --> 00:07:11,368 all of them. 124 00:07:11,507 --> 00:07:12,620 I don't know why. 125 00:07:13,767 --> 00:07:15,712 Curtains were open and everything, 126 00:07:17,033 --> 00:07:19,397 dress and petticoat on the floor. 127 00:07:19,536 --> 00:07:23,116 Come on, Alice, let's have a look at you. 128 00:07:26,731 --> 00:07:30,380 I can get fat if I'm not careful. 129 00:07:30,519 --> 00:07:33,370 Fat on my hips and arms and on my neck 130 00:07:33,508 --> 00:07:36,358 and it doesn't look nice on me like with some women. 131 00:07:36,498 --> 00:07:37,992 Course it was natural, 132 00:07:38,131 --> 00:07:40,946 with me not being on my feet all day in the shop no more, but, 133 00:07:42,580 --> 00:07:44,561 all I could think was, 134 00:07:46,229 --> 00:07:49,392 "Well, I wouldn't fuck me". 135 00:07:52,277 --> 00:07:55,544 Well, it's easily solved innit? You eat less. 136 00:07:57,421 --> 00:07:58,603 One night, 137 00:07:58,742 --> 00:08:02,947 this is five, six months later, 138 00:08:03,087 --> 00:08:05,728 he comes home late as ever. 139 00:08:05,867 --> 00:08:07,813 He's a few drinks inside him 140 00:08:07,952 --> 00:08:09,795 and he's got this new briefcase, 141 00:08:09,933 --> 00:08:13,201 proper shiny chestnut job with gold fasteners. 142 00:08:13,340 --> 00:08:15,286 A present he says. 143 00:08:15,425 --> 00:08:16,711 "Did work give you that?" 144 00:08:16,851 --> 00:08:19,979 He says, "No, it was from a friend". 145 00:08:20,117 --> 00:08:22,585 "You've got nice friends", I said. 146 00:08:22,724 --> 00:08:25,852 "I have", he said, sort of proud 147 00:08:25,991 --> 00:08:28,389 and sheepish at the same time. 148 00:08:29,745 --> 00:08:32,074 A few weeks later, it was cuff links. 149 00:08:32,213 --> 00:08:34,124 He was pleased as punch with them till he realised 150 00:08:34,264 --> 00:08:36,905 he didn't have any of the right sort of shirts with holes in. 151 00:08:38,573 --> 00:08:41,667 And when he came home the next night, I was waiting for him. 152 00:08:42,883 --> 00:08:45,559 "Is it a woman bought you those presents?" 153 00:08:47,471 --> 00:08:48,757 He shakes his head. 154 00:08:50,009 --> 00:08:51,642 Sits down on the arm of the armchair, 155 00:08:51,781 --> 00:08:53,450 which his mum always told him off for doing 156 00:08:53,588 --> 00:08:55,082 because it puts the frame out of shape. 157 00:08:57,203 --> 00:08:59,845 "It's not a woman", he says. 158 00:09:01,652 --> 00:09:03,390 He puts his head in his hands. 159 00:09:06,239 --> 00:09:07,595 "It's not women". 160 00:09:10,759 --> 00:09:11,906 (CHUCKLES) 161 00:09:13,851 --> 00:09:15,798 I knew right away what he meant. 162 00:09:17,605 --> 00:09:19,969 It was like the room shifted. 163 00:09:20,108 --> 00:09:22,750 Like when they cut to a different angle in a film scene, 164 00:09:22,888 --> 00:09:26,989 or like how everything seems to settle different after you step off a carousel. 165 00:09:29,492 --> 00:09:33,907 So I go from feeling fat to feeling bloody stupid. 166 00:09:37,104 --> 00:09:39,746 He looks more surprised than me that he's said it. 167 00:09:42,179 --> 00:09:43,291 I tell him, 168 00:09:44,542 --> 00:09:47,983 "I can't be your wife, can I?" 169 00:09:49,929 --> 00:09:51,876 He looked surprised at that too. 170 00:09:52,014 --> 00:09:53,197 You know what he said? 171 00:09:55,630 --> 00:09:57,159 "I'd miss you, Alice". 172 00:09:58,584 --> 00:10:00,079 (SCOFFS) 173 00:10:01,434 --> 00:10:02,928 "I'd miss you". 174 00:10:06,126 --> 00:10:09,115 Next week, Helen invites me to lunch. 175 00:10:09,255 --> 00:10:12,070 Well, I can hardly say I'm busy. (CHUCKLES) 176 00:10:12,209 --> 00:10:15,267 She gives me a hug right there in the porch. 177 00:10:15,407 --> 00:10:17,735 She's more, erm... Oh, what's the word... 178 00:10:17,874 --> 00:10:20,412 Er, demonstrative than Mum is, 179 00:10:20,550 --> 00:10:22,497 and you go along with it, but, 180 00:10:22,636 --> 00:10:25,590 this time it's verging on assault. 181 00:10:25,729 --> 00:10:29,622 She says we'll eat in the kitchen, it's less formal. 182 00:10:29,761 --> 00:10:32,020 Well, it's also the only room in the house that's properly warm 183 00:10:32,159 --> 00:10:34,071 so it suits me well enough. 184 00:10:34,210 --> 00:10:36,295 On the table, there's a bottle of wine. 185 00:10:36,434 --> 00:10:39,666 "I know it's lunch but I thought we'd be naughty", she says. 186 00:10:39,806 --> 00:10:43,003 "It's a good one apparently, so don't tell my husband". 187 00:10:43,143 --> 00:10:46,548 Calm down, love, I wasn't thinking to leave him a note. 188 00:10:46,688 --> 00:10:50,337 She's done us chops with cauliflower cheese which she knows I like. 189 00:10:50,476 --> 00:10:53,534 "How's the flat?" "Nice, thank you". 190 00:10:53,674 --> 00:10:57,115 Her napkin's fallen off her lap onto the floor three times 191 00:10:57,254 --> 00:10:59,756 so she gives up on it and puts it on the table instead, 192 00:10:59,895 --> 00:11:01,807 clenched in her hand. 193 00:11:03,371 --> 00:11:04,865 And then she comes out with it. 194 00:11:06,534 --> 00:11:09,419 "You're having trouble", she says. 195 00:11:09,558 --> 00:11:12,026 "It's not me with the trouble", I say. 196 00:11:12,164 --> 00:11:15,258 "We know how Michael is", she says. 197 00:11:16,022 --> 00:11:17,031 Oh. 198 00:11:18,908 --> 00:11:21,653 It sounds stupid, but it is really bothering me 199 00:11:21,792 --> 00:11:25,337 that the woman has somehow got cheese sauce on her wrist and she hasn't noticed 200 00:11:25,477 --> 00:11:28,743 and I now can't mention it because it's not quite the moment. 201 00:11:28,882 --> 00:11:31,802 "It doesn't mean he can't be a good husband to you", she says. 202 00:11:31,941 --> 00:11:34,374 "Better that than drink, or gambling, or illness, 203 00:11:34,861 --> 00:11:36,981 "or women". 204 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,518 Thing is, and this is God's own truth 205 00:11:39,657 --> 00:11:42,681 I don't give a monkey's what he gets up to elsewhere, but... 206 00:11:42,820 --> 00:11:44,350 Well, what I say to her is, 207 00:11:44,488 --> 00:11:49,355 "If it was women, at least he might show me some interest too". 208 00:11:49,493 --> 00:11:52,483 Bugger it, I'm close to crying but I don't. 209 00:11:52,621 --> 00:11:55,402 She reaches out her hand to me and before she can touch me, 210 00:11:55,541 --> 00:11:58,565 thank God, she finally notices the muck on her wrist. 211 00:11:58,704 --> 00:12:00,650 "He's very fond of you", she says, 212 00:12:00,789 --> 00:12:04,578 "and so are we". And then, this is my mother-in-law, 213 00:12:04,717 --> 00:12:07,602 and then she says, "If that's all that's missing, 214 00:12:07,741 --> 00:12:09,826 "can't you just pretend everything is normal, 215 00:12:09,965 --> 00:12:12,120 "and if you have needs, occasionally, 216 00:12:12,259 --> 00:12:15,700 "I'm sure if you're careful, you can go elsewhere". 217 00:12:17,855 --> 00:12:19,766 They'll look after me well, she says. 218 00:12:19,906 --> 00:12:20,879 I'll have a good life. 219 00:12:21,018 --> 00:12:22,721 She says I won't have forgotten 220 00:12:22,860 --> 00:12:24,703 how his brother's a policeman 221 00:12:24,841 --> 00:12:28,004 and it would all be very difficult for him if word got out, 222 00:12:28,143 --> 00:12:30,646 and how surely after my own mishap, 223 00:12:30,785 --> 00:12:35,303 I, of all people, know how important it is to appear respectable. 224 00:12:36,902 --> 00:12:38,501 I walk home, 225 00:12:38,639 --> 00:12:40,203 hour and a half, even though the wind's up. 226 00:12:40,343 --> 00:12:41,559 I can't face the Tube. 227 00:12:42,950 --> 00:12:45,348 When Michael gets in, nearly midnight it is, 228 00:12:45,487 --> 00:12:51,639 he sees my face and he looks like he's just watched his own death. 229 00:12:51,778 --> 00:12:54,454 "I'm so sorry", he says, 230 00:12:54,593 --> 00:12:56,435 "It wasn't my idea". 231 00:12:57,304 --> 00:12:59,389 I just run at him, 232 00:12:59,529 --> 00:13:04,221 hitting him in the chest over and over and over until I crumple and... 233 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:05,958 And he holds me tight. 234 00:13:08,774 --> 00:13:12,354 "You got so bloody skinny", he says. 235 00:13:15,378 --> 00:13:18,679 He asks, will I let him make me tea 236 00:13:19,409 --> 00:13:20,730 and put me to bed, 237 00:13:20,869 --> 00:13:22,573 and in the morning, I can think what I want to do 238 00:13:22,712 --> 00:13:25,805 and he will help me, whatever I decide. 239 00:13:25,944 --> 00:13:29,419 Well, I don't have anywhere else to go, that I'd want to go. 240 00:13:32,409 --> 00:13:34,598 We don't say a word until I'm in bed. 241 00:13:35,850 --> 00:13:37,275 I'm shattered. 242 00:13:38,874 --> 00:13:41,202 He gets in too, I don't stop him. 243 00:13:42,732 --> 00:13:47,494 And then, in the dark and safe with my back to him, 244 00:13:47,632 --> 00:13:48,988 I say, 245 00:13:50,343 --> 00:13:52,776 "It was your brother I always fancied". 246 00:13:53,297 --> 00:13:54,584 (CHUCKLES) 247 00:13:54,723 --> 00:13:55,904 He snorts into my neck. 248 00:13:56,044 --> 00:13:58,025 "Yeah, you and half of London", he says. 249 00:14:02,335 --> 00:14:04,733 He puts an arm round me, 250 00:14:04,871 --> 00:14:07,409 his hand warm and flat on my tummy, 251 00:14:07,548 --> 00:14:09,008 like he sometimes does. 252 00:14:11,685 --> 00:14:15,890 A minute later, he's cupping my breast. 253 00:14:17,107 --> 00:14:18,983 Usually he stays well clear, but, 254 00:14:19,886 --> 00:14:21,242 no mistake. 255 00:14:23,189 --> 00:14:24,718 It feels electric. 256 00:14:26,456 --> 00:14:29,896 He shuffles himself up close behind me so... 257 00:14:30,036 --> 00:14:32,573 I can feel that he's hard. 258 00:14:34,137 --> 00:14:39,768 My heart's bloody pounding so loud, I can hear it. 259 00:14:39,906 --> 00:14:41,819 I keep my eyes shut even though it's dark 260 00:14:41,957 --> 00:14:44,634 and I can hear the clock ticking from his side of the bed, 261 00:14:44,773 --> 00:14:46,476 slower than my heart's beating, 262 00:14:46,615 --> 00:14:48,318 everything out of pace. 263 00:14:51,412 --> 00:14:52,628 But it's nice. 264 00:14:57,528 --> 00:15:00,831 His hand slides back down from my breast to my stomach. 265 00:15:02,325 --> 00:15:03,611 And further down, 266 00:15:04,689 --> 00:15:06,114 until he finds me. 267 00:15:07,504 --> 00:15:09,694 And his mouth is hot on my neck. 268 00:15:10,598 --> 00:15:12,543 I don't respond to any of it 269 00:15:14,490 --> 00:15:15,671 until I do. 270 00:15:15,811 --> 00:15:17,201 (CHUCKLES) 271 00:15:20,816 --> 00:15:24,813 So now we were what you call properly husband and wife. 272 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,158 A month later, 273 00:15:29,297 --> 00:15:32,946 the doctor tells me I'm to start feeding myself properly. 274 00:15:34,336 --> 00:15:36,491 And that I'm pregnant. 275 00:15:42,296 --> 00:15:44,659 That's Salim over there, just come in. 276 00:15:44,798 --> 00:15:46,258 The Arab looking one. 277 00:15:46,397 --> 00:15:47,822 Obviously. 278 00:15:48,934 --> 00:15:50,915 He's very charming. 279 00:15:51,055 --> 00:15:53,661 Not unflirtatious with me either, 280 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,345 considering he usually walks in here with one man and leaves with another. 281 00:15:58,597 --> 00:16:00,091 I'll say hello in a minute. 282 00:16:00,231 --> 00:16:02,559 He'll ask what I'm doing in here by myself. 283 00:16:02,698 --> 00:16:06,034 He's very direct, you see, with his being foreign. 284 00:16:06,174 --> 00:16:08,607 In here without Michael, is what he'll mean. 285 00:16:09,267 --> 00:16:11,144 Well, why not? 286 00:16:11,283 --> 00:16:14,480 It's as much my pub as his these days, in a way. 287 00:16:14,620 --> 00:16:17,157 Especially since Violet moved out and that's, 288 00:16:17,296 --> 00:16:20,042 God, nearly ten years. Can you believe it? 289 00:16:21,049 --> 00:16:22,753 Violet, that's our daughter. 290 00:16:24,907 --> 00:16:28,348 When she was a couple of years old, 291 00:16:28,488 --> 00:16:33,110 I suggested to Michael he might bring friends over more often, if he wanted. 292 00:16:34,014 --> 00:16:36,794 Friends or... You know. 293 00:16:38,811 --> 00:16:40,652 Better that than not seeing him. 294 00:16:42,008 --> 00:16:44,823 Better that than nights in without him. 295 00:16:46,700 --> 00:16:48,299 He was shy about it at first, 296 00:16:48,438 --> 00:16:51,045 he'd always been very discreet, you couldn't fault him. 297 00:16:52,088 --> 00:16:53,860 But we soon had men about. 298 00:16:53,999 --> 00:16:55,737 Still do. 299 00:16:55,876 --> 00:17:00,672 They come over, one or more of them, play cards, have a few drinks. 300 00:17:00,812 --> 00:17:02,549 He does very well for himself, Michael. 301 00:17:02,689 --> 00:17:04,879 He didn't go to seed like his brother, see. 302 00:17:05,886 --> 00:17:07,937 I don't know how he finds them. 303 00:17:08,075 --> 00:17:10,196 Well, who cares? 304 00:17:12,003 --> 00:17:13,567 I should go. 305 00:17:13,706 --> 00:17:16,626 I only came into town to buy theatre tickets for his birthday. 306 00:17:16,765 --> 00:17:18,781 I know, fancy. 307 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,778 Me and him and Tony, he's Michael's current friend. 308 00:17:22,917 --> 00:17:24,759 Been a few weeks now, 309 00:17:24,899 --> 00:17:29,695 older than he usually goes for, more settled, you know. 310 00:17:29,834 --> 00:17:32,023 Then Violet and her fella, 311 00:17:32,162 --> 00:17:34,873 oh, and a couple we're friendly with, George and Pierre. 312 00:17:35,013 --> 00:17:37,376 Pierre's not French, he's from Carlisle. 313 00:17:37,515 --> 00:17:39,253 He said to me once, he said, 314 00:17:39,392 --> 00:17:42,416 "Alice, me and George is just like any other normal long time couple 315 00:17:42,555 --> 00:17:44,189 "we ain't had it off in years. 316 00:17:44,327 --> 00:17:45,579 "At least not with each other". 317 00:17:45,717 --> 00:17:46,864 (LAUGHS) 318 00:17:49,784 --> 00:17:51,139 Last Friday, 319 00:17:52,148 --> 00:17:54,094 it was, in the afternoon 320 00:17:54,233 --> 00:17:58,300 when I found out it had become... 321 00:17:58,438 --> 00:18:00,524 (SIGHS) How would you say it, 322 00:18:00,663 --> 00:18:04,869 an appropriate subject for public discussion. 323 00:18:05,007 --> 00:18:08,588 Tony came round, Michael's Tony. He'd left his wallet at ours. 324 00:18:08,727 --> 00:18:10,117 Michael was at work. 325 00:18:10,256 --> 00:18:12,655 And Tony puts a newspaper article into my hands 326 00:18:12,793 --> 00:18:14,844 that he's cut out. 327 00:18:14,983 --> 00:18:16,547 "What do you make of this, Alice?" 328 00:18:17,624 --> 00:18:21,101 The Report on Homosexual Offences. 329 00:18:21,239 --> 00:18:25,376 The headline's just three words: Crime and Sin. 330 00:18:27,078 --> 00:18:29,234 "Imagine that, Alice", he says. 331 00:18:29,372 --> 00:18:33,196 "Two men being allowed to do what they like, legal. 332 00:18:33,926 --> 00:18:35,177 "No pretending". 333 00:18:36,810 --> 00:18:37,992 And he goes. 334 00:18:40,772 --> 00:18:47,098 But you see, for Michael, it's not like with George and Pierre. 335 00:18:47,237 --> 00:18:49,045 They can do what they like. 336 00:18:49,184 --> 00:18:51,825 George is an actor and Pierre cuts ladies' hair. 337 00:18:51,965 --> 00:18:53,459 Michael's got a respectable job. 338 00:18:53,598 --> 00:18:57,213 It's been nice for him, having a wife, having a family. 339 00:18:58,811 --> 00:19:02,565 Anyway, even if things were legal... Normal, even, 340 00:19:02,705 --> 00:19:05,137 he wouldn't want to go off and live all 341 00:19:05,276 --> 00:19:06,876 happy-couples with a man. 342 00:19:07,014 --> 00:19:09,170 Not at his age. Not at our age. 343 00:19:11,568 --> 00:19:13,305 It wouldn't make him happier, would it? 344 00:19:13,445 --> 00:19:16,260 He's got all he needs, always has, 345 00:19:17,476 --> 00:19:18,762 hasn't he? 346 00:19:21,716 --> 00:19:23,523 Well... 347 00:19:23,663 --> 00:19:26,166 This was Friday, like I say, so it's cinema night 348 00:19:26,304 --> 00:19:29,537 and we were going to see The Bridge Over the River Kwai. 349 00:19:29,675 --> 00:19:32,144 It was very good actually, it's our sort of film. 350 00:19:32,282 --> 00:19:34,090 We don't go for the romantic ones, 351 00:19:34,229 --> 00:19:37,704 though there's usually a bit of that isn't there, for the ladies. 352 00:19:37,844 --> 00:19:40,347 And as we're knocking back a quick supper, 353 00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:43,683 I nearly ask him, 354 00:19:43,822 --> 00:19:47,506 "What do you think about this Wolfenden Report thing?" 355 00:19:47,645 --> 00:19:49,035 Not 'cause I'm... 356 00:19:50,287 --> 00:19:51,712 Not because I'm worried. 357 00:19:51,851 --> 00:19:55,153 Just interest, you know. 358 00:19:56,994 --> 00:19:58,454 But I don't say anything. 359 00:19:58,594 --> 00:20:01,201 We go to the pictures and he holds my hand. 360 00:20:02,348 --> 00:20:04,120 As we're walking home, about half way, 361 00:20:04,259 --> 00:20:07,040 without stopping or looking at me or anything, 362 00:20:08,812 --> 00:20:10,445 he says out of the blue, 363 00:20:12,253 --> 00:20:13,573 "I'd miss you, Alice". 28047

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