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Welcome to the Traitors Uncloaked,
hosted by me, Ed Gamble.

It's the official
visualised podcast.

We are going to be talking
about everything that unfolded

in the first week of The Traitors,
so spoiler alert!

If you have not seen the first
three episodes of The Traitors,

go to BBC iPlayer now
and watch them.

We get the exclusive
moment that Aubrey and Sonja

found out just who those
dastardly Traitors are.

They'll both be here,
along with Kyra, to tell us

all about their experience
on the show.

And I'm joined by Tom,
the magician, from season one,

and the amazing Stacey Dooley -

we've made them sound like
they're a magic act together! -

to dissect all the action
from episodes one, two and three

of our brand-new series.

Welcome, Stacey. Welcome, Tom.
Thank you so much for joining me

on the first episode
of The Traitors Uncloaked.

Delighted to be here, Ed. I'm very
excited. We're very excited to have
you here. I've got the glass,

all the gear. Cheers! And we've got
the crew here as well. That's right.

Crew, make a noise.
CREW WHOOP

Now, Stacey, Tom, there is so much
to unpack from week one.

We've, of course, got to do a proper
appraisal of all of our Traitors.

And Tom, very important,
especially for episode three,

we have got to talk about
secret relationships,

but first we need to talk about
that cliffhanger ending

from episode three.
Here's a reminder.

She's really poorly
performed as a Traitor,

and, if you poorly perform,

then there's consequences.

I've gone for Ash.

It's only day two of the Round Table

and it's already so rough, you know?

CLAUDIA: Ash, Brian,
you have six votes each.

So for the final vote, Anthony.

THEY GROAN
Tense.

So tense! Fuming!

What... I mean, what went
on at that Round Table?

That was... That was insane.

Genius tactical moves, I think,
went on at that table. Yeah.

I love it, I think they did really
good. You love it now...

You love it now you're not
involved in it. Exactly!

Now I'm not in
the castle, fantastic!

But I think they did
some great gameplay.

I'm really hoping, right,
that Brian gets banished... Yeah.

..so that Ash stays so she can
have it out with the two lads

when they're back in the Traitor
area, you know what I mean?

I'd be fuming! I cannot imagine how
awkward that's going to be.
The drama will be sensational,

and I'm all for it. Yeah.
I'd love to see that too.

She didn't look happy when they were
sat at the Round Table. Course!

So what will she do if she ends up
going back to the turret?

Well, you're not allowed to sort
of... You're not allowed to use
violence, I imagine.

Do they make you sign some kind
of... I think that's life - you're
not allowed to use violence.

Yeah, I think the letter of the law
does apply in The Traitors.

Bang both of their heads together.
We should talk about Brian.

Love his art. I know. Here's my
question. What happened to him?

Shush, Brian.
ED LAUGHS

Oh! Just stop talking.
What a sweetheart.

It was like he couldn't stop,

and it was unravelling and it
was getting worse and worse.

We do have a clip just to remind
ourselves of Brian's moment...

Oh, Brian. ..moment in the sun.

Can I have a really selfish moment?

Um... I'll try and be quick cos I
realise this was going to end soon,

so that's why I wanted
to say something.

Is there anyone else
here that thinks,

or is verging towards I am or amn't?
STACEY: Oh...

I would like to hear maybe more
towards that I amn't.

What's hap...? What's happening?

Oh, sorry, sorry. What's happening?

Paul said, "What's happened?"
ED GROANS

But when you cut to the Traitors
and they're confused,

even though this is a golden moment
for them,

even they're going, "Brian, stop it,
man. Don't do this." Yeah.

"Like, we're not even on your side,
but what are you doing?"

Oh, bless him. Oh!

I was enjoying the use of the word
"amn't". Are we am or are we amn't?

Yeah, or "amn't I?" Oh, I know.

Which, you know, I'd not heard
before, but I've looked it up

and apparently it's a very Scottish
turn of phrase. Oh, really?

So we're all learning something.
Fine, OK. Yeah. Fine, fine, fine.

Well done, Brian, on that front,
at least. Yeah, slip it in this pod.

Can't wait for that to be the new
catchphrase in season three.
THEY CHUCKLE

So, if Brian does survive this vote,

do we think he's got long
left after this?

I think, if he survives,
I think he's got more chance.

Do you? Yeah, yeah.

Cos this... What happens is,
for some reason, the other person

instantly gets assumed to be
Faithful. Interesting.

I don't know why,
you just sort of go,

"Oh, we are so sorry, Brian. I'm
sorry that we even went for you."

And I think, if he can
get through this one,

I think he could end up
doing really well,

and it may be down to the Traitors
to, unfortunately, murder him.

Let's talk about the Round Table
in episode two briefly.

Now, Diane screaming "Yes!"
at the top of her voice

when Sonja was
banished was an odd move, I'd say.

Yeah. Diane is terrifying.

I can imagine Diane on the phone
telling someone she's got

a particular set of skills.
Oh, my... Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah! Do you see what
I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah, fully.

It's that vibe. "I will get Ross
back no matter the cost."

If Ross gets kidnapped!
It's that vibe!

Well, look, we're
talking about Diane.

We've now got to talk about
the absolutely huge revelation

in episode three, that we do have
a secret familial relationship

in this series of The Traitors.

Oh, I love 'em!
Diane and Ross, mother and son,

or, as we're calling them
on Uncloaked, Diana Ross.

Yes, as we should. Diana Ross!
Yep, perfect. As we should.

You started this, Tom! You must be
proud. I know. Caused right havoc!

Do you know what, there was part
of me hoping there wouldn't
be another couple,

but everyone think there's
a couple just to watch everyone
go a bit crazy. Yeah.

Because being in there the first
season, I thought there would be

other couples in there
and I made myself go crazy.

I thought Will and Theo
were brothers.

I thought Andrea and Nicky
were mother and daughter. I...

Honestly, I went crazy. So I sort
of did want them to go through that,

and so I am very happy
that they are.

So let's remind ourselves of
a few little breadcrumbs

that were dropped
earlier in the week.

So I have to ask the question,
what made you apply for this?

Funnily enough, my, um...my mum
put me up for it, actually.

I think you need to be very
careful about voting for people

that other people are OK with,

cos then you'll be challenged.

Seriously.

I liked it as well, Ed.

You know, there's that line where
he's a bit sarky and he goes,

"Oh, my mum does a dud roast
dinner." Yeah, brilliant! I know!

Is he flying a bit too close
to the sun now? Oh...

Do you know what, it's funny,
it's one of those things,
"highlight it to hide it."

We say in magic, "highlight it
to hide it." And so, do you know
what, I think, by highlighting that,

it just is so ridiculous
that that would be the case.

So, no, I think he's actually
done a really smart line there.

I mean, do you think they'll
get caught out at any point?

I think they'll never figure it out
because subconsciously -

I was saying this to you, wasn't
I, Tom? - when a mother and a son

have very different accents,
you just don't...

..you don't imagine...
There's no connection.

Yeah, cos my mum's really Scouse

and obviously we were all born
down here, so...

Yeah, I think that's what...
..sometimes people are surprised
when they hear your mum's

got a totally different
accent to you. So they might
get away with it. Yeah.

Playing in their favour a lot -
they don't look alike, they don't
sound alike. Yeah.

That's what you need.
You need something that doesn't
connect you at all. Yeah.

Mine was my girlfriend
was well out of my league, so no
connection whatsoever.

So, as long as they haven't got
a connection, which they have,

yeah, I think they could do
very well from that. Yeah.

What advantage do you think
they can get from it, though?

How do you think it's going
to play out in their favour
if they keep it secret?

You'll know. What's funny is, like,
the logic would be that they can,

like, hear different stories come
together. That was completely mine
and Alex's logic.

But I tell you what, it is hard
to have a... You don't have moments

to yourself and there's always
someone else in the room

and you're too scared to, like,
code something across to someone.

I mean, you saw a brief moment
where the mum was subtly saying

to Ross, "You know, this could
happen," and there was other people
there, like. Yeah. Yeah.

So I don't... It sounds
all great going in there
with someone you know,

but I tell you what, you have
significantly more anxiety 24/7

cos you're not just worrying about
yourself, you're worrying about
someone else as well. Yeah.

So, as much as it could be an
advantage, after going through it,

it could very much
be a disadvantage.

I think it makes it a less
cool experience, though,

being like,
"I'm going to be on The Traitors!"

Then go, "Oh, I'm going on
with my mum."

"She's coming." Well, I think she's
a badass mum to go on there as well.

"My mum's coming!"
Yeah, yeah. Definitely.

I know it's hard to say because
it's retrospective, but do you think
there would ever be a world

where you would have voted for Alex
or she would have voted for you?

100%. Um...
CREW LAUGH

I've thought about this. I've
thought about this very heavily.

My dream would have been
to be made a Traitor, right?

Yeah. And I wouldn't have voted
for her as such, maybe,

but I would have told everyone
that she was my girlfriend,

and then I would have murdered her
myself. And then I would come in the
next day going,

"Who's killed her?! I'm
coming for you!" You know?

Oh, so you never would have
been suspected. Exactly.

Gameplay. Gameplay.

Well, with Diane and Ross, I think,
if that was the situation,

even if it's just voting
for each other,

I think Diane would vote
for him immediately.

Straight away. Diane would
just take him out, sniper.

He wouldn't even know it's happened.
"Silly boy, you're out."

Yeah. Sorry, Ross. He wouldn't
even hear the shot. Yeah.

So obviously there was a call-back
to series one in episode one

of this series where Claudia
made them do the line-up

outside the castle again. Yeah.

CLAUDIA: OK, players,
I need you to listen to me.

You think you know
how this game works.

You don't.

# Cross my heart and hope to die

# Welcome to my dark side. #

As if we'd do the same thing!

Get in the castle, off you go!
ALL: Oh!

Woo!

It was presented like a fun thing,
but that will be in their heads now.

Oh, most definitely.

Claudia is very good at
playing this game. Yeah.

Like, she's playing the game
just as much as everyone else,
I feel like.

She really has a lot of control
over you when you're in there.

Yeah, she's got right in
their heads with that.

She said, on series one,
there was a moment, right,

where you're all round
the Round Table

and someone says, in the gallery,

and it was at a real sort
of monumental moment,

and they said, "Claud, just
watch the way you're breathing

"because your breathing's changed."

Like that's how invested she is,
you know what I mean? Wow. Mm.

Like, if she gives off any hints,
if she looks at one player a bit

too much... Yeah. Is it not hard
enough presenting an absolutely

massive show without... I know!
..the director going...

"..Sorry, Claudia, your breathing.

"Your breathing's wrong." "Just stop
breathing." "Your breathing's off."

"Your outfits are fantastic,
but your breathing's off,

"so, if you could just look at that,
that'd be great."

"You're blinking too much."
"It's the fringe! It's the fringe!"

Bless her!

So, in episode one, we also saw
Claudia do the Traitors pick.

Mm-hm. Very, very important moment.
Yeah.

She picked Ash, Harry and Paul.
Yeah.

How are we feeling about that?

Harry obviously licked his lips,
so he's looking forward to it.

Harry's delighted.

I mean, Paul is...

..up until now, the perfect Traitor.
Mm.

Like, everyone adores him.

He's sort of... You know, he's
one of the most popular boys.

Yeah. He's playing it so well, isn't
he? And he's so, like, ruthless.

He's just quite savage. So, yeah,
I think he could do very well.

Wouldn't it be good to sort of
rank the level of the suspicion

each Traitor has on some sort
of format point slash prop? Yeah.

I'd love that. Oh,
that'd be sensational.

Well, would you believe
we have the mechanism to do that?

This is the Traitors Scoreboard
Of Suspicion.

Wow. Ooh! Here it is.
Look at that. Stunning. Love it.

If you're just listening
on BBC Sounds, we've got a very,

very expensive and beautiful prop.

It looks really pricey, actually.
Yeah, really pricey.

And if you're watching this,
you know that we're lying, so...

That's blown the budget.

Here's how this works.
It's very complicated,

so please listen to all of
the rules on how this goes.

Red, loads of suspicion. Mm-hm.

Blue, not much suspicion. Fine.

So let's talk through them
one by one.

First of all, we've got
cheeky chappy Harry.

Yeah, no-one's suspecting Harry.

I'd put him quite far down,
to be honest.

Diane suspected him quite
early on, though, didn't she?

At the Round Table, Diane...
Oh, yes! But that's Diane.

Oh, yeah, and she is scary.

Diane's in a league of her own,
as we've established.

So Diane suspected Harry
at the Round Table.

I think she said she felt him
trembling... His breath change.

Or his breath change.
And Zack. Yeah.

Sort your breath out, Harry.
THEY LAUGH

But it's just Diane at the moment,
so where do you think we should put

Harry on the Traitors Scoreboard
Of Suspicion? Quite far down.

Oh, yeah, I do agree.
Not right at the bottom.

But he's definitely in the blue,
isn't he? Yeah. He's in the blue.

Mid blue? Mid blue.
Yeah, put him there, Ed.

Mid blue. Mid blue. Mid blue.
He's chilling out.

What about Paul?

Oh, we love Paul. Lovely Paul
is loving killing people.

He described it as "eating
a bit of dark chocolate."

Yeah, he did. Yeah.
He's so safe, isn't he?

I'd put him like half a
centimetre below Harry.

Half a centimetre below Harry.
We're going to put him here?

Yeah, there, Ed. There. That's it.
I like that. There he is.

I'm with you on that.
So we've got Miles next.

Now, Miles is, of course, our
first recruited Traitor. Mm-hm.

A brilliant recruit.
Do you think he was a good recruit?

Everyone adores Miles. Sensational.
Oh, I love Miles.

I'd say he's even lower than Paul,
to be honest. I think he might even
be lower than Paul.

I think he comes in, he gives such
positive, lovable energy. Yeah.

I think maybe we then have to
shuffle Harry and Paul up a
tiny bit... Agreed.

..to put Miles below them.
There we are. No, this is up to you,
guys. There we go.

Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, there's
no heat on him at all, is there?

There is no heat on Miles.
I think you're right about that.

Now, what do you think
we're going to do with Ash?

Oh, I like Ash, but... I wanted
Ash to do really well as well.

This is the annoying thing.
She's in the rouge.

She is. She's in the rouge. Yeah.

She's very far in the rouge,
I think. Put her right up there,

top right. Right up there,
top of the rouge?

BOTH: Yeah, top of that rouge.

Oh! God love her, aw!
That was brutal.

So sorry, Ash.

So that is how things stand
after episode three.

We will obviously return to the
Traitors Scoreboard Of Suspicion

for episode four to see how things
have changed.

But while we wait for more episodes,
we've got an exclusive slice

of action. This is very, very
exciting. So I don't know about you,

I've always wondered, when
someone's banished or murdered,

what happens when they find
out who the Traitors are?

Well, here on Uncloaked,
we get to be a fly on the wall

for those very moments.

So this is an extra bit
that you get nowhere else. Yes!

This was recorded in Scotland

the day after Aubrey and
Sonja left the castle.

And first thing on the agenda,

Aubrey finds out that Sonja
has been banished

and if she was
a Traitor or a Faithful.

Aubrey! Oh, Sonja!

Lovely to see you! Come here.

Aw, fancy them getting rid of you!

They've got rid of the best.

So, Sonja, I think you could be
a Traitor cos you're very smart,

you're very intelligent,
you know how to play it.

But I think you were a Faithful.

Well, Aubrey, I was...

..a Faithful.

There you go. I was right.

You could be a Traitor too.
You were right, then.

Have you got any suspicions
who you think the Traitors are?

I'm only saying Ash
because of her reaction

to my little light-hearted joke.
At breakfast, I said,

"Oh, hi, Ash. By the way,
are you a Traitor? Ha-ha-ha!"

Went and got my melon,
and she was like, "Oh!"

But anyway, and then...
But it could...

There's so many of them, you could
say it's like sticking a needle in
a haystack. Yeah, it is.

Let's go for it, Aubrey.

Oh, the tension.

The first Traitor is...

Yes?

..Ash.

Whoa!

Well done. Whoa!

Good, I made it.

I'm really glad
I had that little joke.

I can see now why she looked
so horrified at my little joke.

Because I was right.

I love it.

Did you have any suspicions?

I didn't suspect it at all.

No. No, I didn't. No.

Right then, brace yourself.

Harry.

No!

Lovely Harry.

I would have never expected him
at all.

No. That's another one
I've not spoken to.

Well, he's a sensitive guy, he's
delightful. Yeah, lovely man.

And, yes, fancy that.
I didn't get any inkling.

Are you ready? Yes, I'm ready.

Miles.

Miles.

Well, fancy that.

Didn't feel that at all.

I'm not surprised.

Oh! But he did say to me,
"Oh, you're very quiet."

Right. There's just...

There was just something
between me and him.

Is there one more fold
in that paper, Aubrey?

There is one more.
Have you got a clue?

Well, I'd be ever so impressed
if it was Ross.

Ross? Well, because I
guessed Ross as well.

But I don't really think Paul.

I think he's just a really nice
person. But let's see.

Paul. Oh, Paul!

Hey. Yes, thank you very much.

I was wrong on all counts.
Because I got three.

I mean, well eliminated,
then, hey, me, really?

As much as I like Diane. Yes.

I thought she was fab.

I was convinced and I thought to
myself I wouldn't have trusted

her at the end at all. Really?
She would... Yes, she'd have

got rid of me. Yeah.

Well, Paul, I still think
he probably is a really nice guy.

Yeah, he is. But maybe he was being
super extra special nice.

I'm really quite pleased.

I think I'm being a bit smug here.

So you should be. Woo.

Killed by the melon
in the breakfast room works.

I'm going to be less strategic, if
ever I do anything like this again,

I'm going to just go
around pointing my melons at people.

And they're here with us right now.
CHEERING

Please welcome to Uncloaked,
Aubrey and Sonja. Hi.

Welcome. Hello. Here we are.
Thank you.

Can I just say I'm absolutely
gutted you two left us so quickly.

Thank you. Thank you. You were
absolutely fantastic players.

Yeah, we're gutted, aren't we?
Aren't we gutted? Devastated.

Aubrey,

I feel like you would have had so
many looks packed in your case.

Yeah! They missed such a treat.

And we missed that look. I know,
what a shame. The biggest loss
to the show, I'd say.

Correct. I would agree.
Yeah. Exactly.

Well, we're very glad you could
come on Uncloaked and show us one

of the looks certainly. Actually,
I didn't take this one.

These are all new. Oh!
This is...wow. Stunning. 10/10.
Fresh looks.

You both seem quite shocked
with the, with the reveal

of the Traitors.

Aubrey, you in particular, you said
at the beginning of the process

that you were a very observant
person, but every,

every single one
seems to have surprised you.

Yeah, I didn't suspect
any of them at all.

Not one. Who did you think
the Traitors were?

Charlotte.

Andrew.

And I think I said Miles.

I mean,
you nearly got one of them.

Whereas, Sonja, two out of four
there. Yeah, well eliminated,
really. Yes.

So absolutely no ageism. No sexism.

It was a good strategic move.

I was a guided missile.

Yeah.

Although I was having a real problem
trying to get my kind of, you know,

get my aggression
in because they were all so nice.

So... To your face.

Yeah, exactly. They were very nice.

And I thought, oh,
I'm having a problem trying to,
like, get mad with anybody.

I had a go at shooting their
pictures with my fingers.

Well, that was a real moment.
It worked, it worked.

It was fantastic. Watching you
walk into there, into the dining

room, and just privately
just shooting them.

I'm ready for you guys. Yeah.

And then I thought,
nah, they're too nice.

So, yeah. But I think you hit
the nail on the head there

in that video we just saw
where you said Paul is probably

a nice guy, but he's being
extra special nice.

He did. He went up a level,

like on steroids nice,
you know, and, actually,

now that we've seen the pictures
of him, the way

he smiled was ridiculous.

It was smug.

You know, he was like, look at me.
Don't hold anything back.

How were the breakfasts?
That's what we want to know.

Cold. I mean, you didn't get one,
did you, Aubrey?
I did. I did get that.

Did you think that?
Disappointed. Stale.

It was disappointing. Wasn't it?

I was expecting one of the things,

oh, this lovely buffet
in the morning.

You were lucky if you got a cup
of coffee. Mm.

When you got it, it was cold.

Tom told me the tea was lukewarm.
Lukewarm.

Well, yeah... Well fed.
We had our porridge beforehand.
Lots of melons, weren't there?

Good, yeah. Lots of melons for me,
thank goodness. Just to remind you,

this is The Traitors: Uncloaked
and not Four In A Bed.

Like, for the last year,
I've been on a major diet and lost

nearly 30 kilos. Well done, you.

So I thought, I am only going
to eat melon on this programme

because it looked like there was
lots of nice breakfasts.

So, and then melon became
my secret weapon.

So, yeah. I think, Aubrey,
you had the honour

of being the first murdered player.
Yeah.

How did that feel? Did it sort of
feel like a compliment in a way?

When I did get the letter,

"You've been murdered,"
I was a bit surprised.

Yeah. I was a little bit
surprised, but it doesn't matter.

How did it feel at that
breakfast on you when Aubrey

didn't come in?
Oh, she was in tears.

Oh, I was.

It was so disappointing
because we'd met

on the train, hadn't we?

You know, on the train, on the way,
you kind of form a bond.

Very luxurious train.

Oh, it was a lovely train. Yeah.

It was so nice. No Thameslink
for you. Yeah. Yeah.

It was so nice all the way there.

Yeah. You quite forget that you're
actually being filmed then.

We had such a lovely chat,
we'd bonded and, because we're both

of a certain age, people had said,
"Oh, yeah, Mr and Mrs."

You know, they'd kind
of put us together.

So we just, we had a lovely time.
Can't shake her off.

And I couldn't...
LAUGHTER

I think... I'm like a piece of
chewing gum stuck to his shoe now.

..there's a TV future for you two. I
feel like some sort of travel show.

I'm already going in a camper van
with her. Are you? Yeah. Camper van.

Let's get someone to film this.
Oh, let's do it.

This needs to be a travel show.

Yeah, we're going on tour,
aren't we? We are. Yeah.

Camper van this series, next
series is barges. BOTH: Yeah.

Oh, it's a win-win. Yeah,
can't wait. This is great.

I was devastated,
it was my mate early on,

and I just couldn't believe it.

But I knew why. Because he was...
You are so bright.

And you had given a lot of
opinion... I weren't that bright
because I didn't get any of them!

But you did... I probably
would have sussed them out.

You did walk around a few times
saying, "I'm very sure I know

"who's the Traitors."

And even though you didn't,
they thought you did. Exactly.

Yeah. That's a dangerous
game to play, Aubrey. Exactly.

Did the group dynamic change after
Aubrey had gone, would you say?

Well, I think it was nerve-racking.

You know, I think people, because
he was so nice and so capable

and I think it was like -
anybody can go.

If Aubrey can go, anybody can go.

And I think people couldn't decide
whether to be extra friendly

and noisy or to try and
shrink in the background.

Some people definitely went
quiet after Aubrey went

because they didn't want
to be noticed.

I should have actually
taken note of that.

Aubrey, this is an important
question I wanted to ask you.

How's Luther Vandross doing?

He's not happy that I've
come here today. He's fine.

He'll have fun because the door
flap's open now all night long so he

can go in and out as he pleases.
When I'm at home,

after 7:00, once he's in, he's in.

So he's got, you know, he can
be out with his mates tonight.

He can do whatever he likes.

Is it weird that I imagine him
dressed exactly like you?

Oh, very similar. Hat, yeah,
yeah. Oh. Do you know what?

Luther is the most glamorous cat.

He wouldn't be there if he wasn't.
Long, black hair,

this big curly black tail.
I rescued him.

Did either of you suspect Kyra,
at any point?

Not at all, no.

And I'm sorry Kyra went.

But Kyra is young but was
really strong and resilient.

And she really rallied the troops
on that pontoon

that I was on with her. Yeah.
She was just amazing.

Ridiculous. She wouldn't,
she wouldn't, you know,
take no for an answer.

I thought she was just admirable.

Let's remind ourselves of Kyra's
murder in episode three. Aw.

Kyra is the biggest voice
in the room.

She's very commandeering, yeah.

After today, she won over everyone.

Yes. At the table.

She's intimidating because
she's such a good player.

She's more dangerous.

I think, for me, I maybe
didn't strike the balance

particularly well in the sense
that I was too outspoken.

And I think obviously
that was intimidating.

But then one thing I did say
when I was selected as a Faithful,

I'm going to authentically
be myself.

And I think that I did that.

So I have no regrets.

And she joins us on the pod now.
It's Kyra.

CHEERING AND WHISTLING

Welcome, Kyra. We're very
sorry to see you murdered.

Of course. I know.

Now, you thought you were murdered
because you were too outspoken.

And it seems like, from what
the Traitors were saying,

that that was the case.

Yeah, like, I, after
the first Round Table,

I thought, "Shit, done too much."

Many people didn't actually
even say anything.

And I think that is also a problem.

But like I said, I had no regrets
because I said what I had to say.

Yeah.

So, if you were to go and do
it again, you wouldn't go

in like deliberately
shyer or quieter?

Erm, I think, if I had to go do
it again, I'd be a Traitor.

Be a bit more convincing
of displaying my ideas

about, to Claudia in terms of
wanting to be actually a Traitor.

Because I think before I'd gone in
actually my sister had made me

a bit scared, she's like,
"You're going to be
unemployable afterwards."

LAUGHTER
It's the opposite.

She's like, "Yeah, don't,
don't go full throttle, like."

So I was a bit on edge about
even being a Traitor.

Of course I wanted to be
because it's like, you know,

you have the, you have the ball
in your hands. Yeah. But...

Guys, imagine... If your sister's
saying, if you go full throttle,

you'll be unemployable.

Yeah, like. I'm quite glad we didn't
see you at full throttle then.

So, once I got selected as a
Faithful, I was like, you know what?

I feel like I'm just going
to say what I have to say.

Do what I want to do.
And, yeah. Yeah.

Do you think you would have
sussed out the Traitors

if you'd been in for
a little bit longer?

Because, of course, at one of the
Round Tables, you voted Sonja

as a Traitor.

Yeah, I think, with Sonja,
unfortunately,

like we said,

you was a Faithful.

Yeah. But sloppy game play.

Like you was acting like a Traitor.

And I think, I think...
But I think it's such a, like,

high pressure environment.

So it's like people
pick up on anything

and, because it was so early on,

unfortunately, the mishaps that
you had made, it made you look so...

It just, it made you
look so bad and guilty.

So it's just like, yeah, obviously
I had to go with what I had,

but I knew that Ash was a Traitor.

Yeah. Well, I suspected that Ash was
a Traitor after the first challenge.

Yeah, for sure.

I think, if one thing is becoming
clearer by talking about it, Ash

really is doing a dreadful job.

THEY EXCLAIM

She is! Everyone can
see she's a Traitor.

Now, obviously, I want to ask
all three of you this

because we've had a big revelation
in episode three about Diane

and Ross and their relationship,
mother and son.

We call them Diana Ross
on Uncloaked. Oh, that's great.

What's your, what's your
reaction to that?

How do you feel about that?
Is that a shock to you?

Kyra, let's start with you.
I was so blown away because I was
really close with Diane.

So it was just like, I was on
the train with them and like I said

I was really close with her.
So I was so shocked.

But then when Ross actually took
off his glasses, I was like, no,

I can see it. Like, his glasses
are literally a disguise.

I think. They're not real glasses?

No, they are, but they just,
they just make him look less...

..make them look less alike. Yeah.

When he takes off his glasses,
they look like mother and son.

But even the pool theory,
I thought, yeah, could be.

I think people were just maybe,
like, stereotyping ginger...

Because of the first series,
were you guys like

trying to see couples
and make connections?

Absolutely. Yeah.

I was looking for romantic
connections like yours

and anything, really.

Yeah, any kind of connection.

I was looking for brothers,
sisters, anything.

Aubrey, what did you think when you
found out about Diane and Ross?

Diana Ross. I didn't know
anything, obviously, till

I got home, basically.

And Diane, when it had all finished,

you know, on the WhatsApp thing,

she just said, "I've got
something to tell you."

And she sent me this picture
at a house.

She's standing at the door,
it's Christmas-time, and Ross

is standing next to her.

And I thought, well, he soon
got himself, you know, up there

sort of thing.

I didn't realise they were
that close. Friendly, yeah.

Very friendly.

You know, I couldn't believe it.
And then she says, "It's my son."

I was just flabbergasted...

I couldn't believe it.

I was shocked.

I got no clue whatsoever
in the, in the show at all.

Brilliant move. Yeah, so good. Yeah,
it was great. Well, we'll see.

We'll see how it works out
for them, whether they can use

it to their advantage on...
Another hidden couple.

How do you feel now, now that
you know who the Traitors are?

In terms of the actual Traitors,

I'm really shocked about Paul,
if I'm honest. Mm.

Like genuinely
for how the relationships

that he had with everyone in there.

I think, even when I was there,
they asked me, "Who would you trust

"with like your prized possessions?"

I said Paul, or like Miles.
It was either one of them.

So, yeah, I was really
shocked by that.

But then I think Miles was also
like, erm, one that I was shocked

about as well because
I was quite close to him and
he's like, quite love him.

We can talk more about that.

We've got so much more to unpack
with these three, but we're going

to keep going on BBC Sounds.

We haven't asked them
about the WhatsApp group.

Want to hear more about that
or who they would have murdered

if they were Traitors.

So we're going to keep going on
BBC Sounds now with our extended

episode and, if you reckon you can
think like a Traitor or vote

like your fellow Faithful, then
make sure you play along at home

with the BBC's brand-new Traitors

predict a game at...

I'll be back here on Wednesday
straight after episode four

of The Traitors or catch up
on iPlayer at your own pace.

Big thanks to Stacey, Tom, Aubrey,
Sonja and Kyra for coming on.

CHEERING

I'm Ed Gamble. Stay Faithful.