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The phenomenon could involve some type

of activity that some might
say constitutes a different

form of life.

This would be one of the most closely held secrets

in the entire United States government,

if not the most closely held secret.

When people say the government
can't really keep secrets,

I and my colleagues know many secrets

that have been kept for decades and they can be kept.

I'm sitting here today

because the American people are being lied to.

The only way the lid's gonna get blown off this.

We get a commander in chief with the guts

to just take the lid off of it.

There are now close to 400 reports

from military personnel of
possible UFO encounters,

and they say they have...

In 2017, Congress began learning

about a half century plus coverup

of an ultra secret program dealing with UFOs,

now referred to as unidentified
anomalous phenomena or UAP.

In 2022, the first
congressional hearings were held

on the subject in over 50 years.

Regarding unidentified...

Confirming the phenomenon is real.

Instruments report there was something there.

There are flight characteristics
or signature management

that we can't explain.

What began was a rare bipartisan effort

to dig even deeper.

You're the guys investigating it.

I mean, who else is doing it?

The more Congress pulled

on the emerging threads, the
more they began to unravel.

You're talking so I'm thinking.

Go into space, go someplace,

drop down in a matter of seconds,

do whatever it wants and leave

and there's nothing we can do about it.

With no self-evident propulsion system.

No wings, no IR energy coming off of the vehicle.

Even more startling was the discovery

of an alleged black budget program tasked

with the recovery of craft of alien origin.

You solemnly swear

or affirm that the testimony you are about to...

Mr. Grusch, finally, do you believe

that our government is in possession of UAPs?

Absolutely, based on
interviewing over 40 witnesses

over four years.

Do we have
the bodies of the pilots

who piloted this craft?

Biologics came with some
of these recoveries. Yeah.

Were they, I guess, human or non-human biologics?

Non-human and that was the assessment of people

with direct knowledge on the program I talked to

that are currently still on the program.

I would go to jail to say things that I know

that I've been exposed to in the program.

Have you ever met anyone that claims

to have put their hands on or been inside one

of these alleged crafts in our possession?

I can't respond to that.

Hi, I'm director and producer James Fox.

I just arrived in Washington DC

which is currently the epicenter
of an unprecedented effort

to force the government's
hand into finally revealing

what they really know about the UIP phenomenon.

First time, the national
archives will gather records.

But the citizen review...

In 2023, Senate
Majority Leader, Chuck Schumer

and Senator Mike Rounds
proposed the most ambitious UAP

disclosure bill in American history.

This is a major win for
government transparency on UAPs

and it gives us a strong foundation

for more action in the future

And a requirement as a transparency measure

for the government to obtain
any recovered UAP material

or biological remains

that may have been provided to
private entities in the past

and thereby hidden from Congress
and the American people.

And here you have in an actual congressional,

in this case senatorial document,

the phrase NHI meaning non-human intelligence

mentioned more than 20 times

in an actual congressional document.

My name is Leslie Kean and
I'm an investigative reporter

and I was one of three journalists

who broke the story in December of 2017

about the Department of Defense

secret program studying UFOs.

And that story was kind of a catalyst

for a lot of things that have happened since.

You get that close to something.

As details of the exposed

Department of Defense program came to light

so did evidence and
additional military witnesses.

What followed was a bipartisan
congressional effort

to find out

what the intelligence agencies
really knew about UAP.

Now they know that this is real, right?

Because the Pentagon's been studying it

and we had all this great material in our story

and members of Congress started to ask questions.

In fact, congressional committees

initiated briefings with
witnesses behind closed doors,

Classified briefings by members of the program,

by some of the pilots who
had actually seen the objects

and that made them realize we
gotta do something about this.

I don't think it's unanimous among...

The New York Times story also revealed

official military videos of
UAP leaked from the Pentagon.

The Gimbal and the FLIR video.

And I remember the media was just going nuts.

The objects seen

in the various clips are
unidentified aerial phenomena.

We don't know what this is and it's here.

The program has since been shut down

but it was run by a military intelligence official

who told CNN.

There is very compelling evidence

that we may not be alone.

So not necessarily extra terrestrial,

but you're not ruling it out.

The stories that first broke
in 2017 about the existence

of a Pentagon UFO research effort

about some very intriguing sightings

that they really couldn't explain.

The dam broke.

The US Navy has finally acknowledged

that videos appearing to show UFOs flying

through the air are real.

The aircraft had zero control surfaces,

had no means of propulsion that we could detect.

There was four of us

in the airplanes literally watching this thing

for roughly about five minutes.

The UFO reports were first investigated

by a secret $22 million program.

Do you know if they had the capabilities

to create these flying objects like this?

We don't think so.

The Pentagon now admits
there's something out there.

It's the story

of the US government's grudging acknowledgment

of unidentified aerial phenomena

and the US Senate wants to know what it is.

Maybe it has a very simple answer.

Maybe it doesn't.

Navy fighter pilot Ryan Graves was

on duty during a number of sightings,

including a near collision
with a UAP in August of 2015.

Mr. Graves was invited to
Washington DC for briefings

before members of the Senate
Armed Services Committee

and Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

Senior Department of Defense
officials were sitting

at the opposite end of the
table during the briefings.

There was probably eight or nine stars, you know,

on that side of the table,

Navy Intelligence and more broadly I think DIA.

The DOD side wasn't able to provide a lot of answers

to the congressional side,

but it wasn't a, "I don't
know," or, "We don't know."

It was, "It's too classified

to talk about in this environment."

And so there seemed to be a very clear barrier there

that Congress was even having a hard time

really getting around.

'cause if you don't know what's there, it's hard

to ask good questions about the information, right?

And so there seemed

to be a little difficulty crossing that barrier.

My name is Kirk McConnell.

I believe this is the first
time I've ever been on camera.

I recently retired from government service

after 37 years working as a staff member

for various committees in Congress.

Armed with high level clearances,

Mr. McConnell researched
UAPs from 2017 to 2024.

He attended multiple classified
briefings between senators

and numerous government and contractor sources.

These insiders and their data

provide extraordinary
confirmation of the phenomenon.

These events were not just accompanied

by visual observation,

but by sensors, some of the best sensing systems

that money can buy.

Early warning and surveillance radar,

that's the top of the line for the Navy,

the Aegis radar system.

We're seeing these objects
drop down from what appeared

to be from space altitudes

and just coming down and at a high rate of speed

and just stopping, you know, in midair

and then flying around.

And then after a while, they would just

go right back up again.

So this was something really
different, pretty radical.

What the heck were these folks seeing?

The congresspeople and
the elected representatives

and the retired officials too would come out

and make these statements

and they tend to go further and further each time.

How concerned should we be about the briefing

that you received on UFOs?

Yeah, I'm not gonna get into any

of the contents of the briefing.

It was a classified briefing.

One of the key takeaways I'd
have is that the military

and others are taking this issue seriously,

which I think

in previous generations may not have been the case.

The senators were shocked.

They had thought, as most Americans do,

that this is just myth

and they became aware that
whether it's the Russians

or Chinese or aliens

or something else, this is very much for real.

It's happening and we need to get to the bottom of it.

Responding to decades long claims

of intimidation and the forced signing of NDAs,

Congress passed bipartisan
witness protection legislation.

What we made clear on this law is

that there can be no stigma
associated with reporting

and that reporting is now mandatory

and that if there is retaliation,

that that will be prosecuted.

The extent of activity is so prolific

that at one military air base,
they were posting posters

around the base warning the pilots

of the potential for mid-air collisions

in restricted military operating space.

The Navy for example, I think it was in 2018,

issued new guidelines to pilots to report UAP

and created a process for that.

And I think what we've seen
in the last couple of years,

it has been pretty stark

in terms of the legislation Congress has written

very specifically demanding that the Pentagon,

the intelligence agencies
not just set up an office,

but forcing them to dig through
the cobwebs if you will,

and look into the past

and try to determine were there secret programs

that maybe revealed more about the phenomenon.

The process began

of the Pentagon grudgingly
releasing bits of information.

Congress asked us to
produce a report that assessed

what we saw as the threat essentially

from unidentified aerial phenomenon.

A preliminary assessment was released

in the summer of 2021.

UAP represent physical objects

that have been registered
across multiple sensors

including radar, infrared,
electro-optical, weapon seekers,

and visual observation.

A handful of UAP demonstrated
an advanced technology,

remaining stationary in winds aloft,

with the ability to move against the wind

and to maneuver abruptly at considerable speed

without discernible means of propulsion.

And what really caught the attention

of Congress was the admission
from military pilots

of near misses with UAP.

And the main issues that Congress

and others have been concerned
about are basically safety

of flight concerns and
counterintelligence issues.

But of course there's always the question

of is there something else that
we simply do not understand

that might come extra terrestrially.

It became pretty clear to me

that there was a real story here.

As long as the Congress keeps pushing,

and I think they will, I'm not sure

how they're gonna wiggle out of this.

More than 50 years ago,

the US government ended project Blue Book,

an effort to catalog

and understand sightings of objects in the air

that could not otherwise be explained.

The last time Congress had a hearing

on UAPs was half a century ago.

I hope that it does not take
50 more years for Congress

to hold another because
transparency is desperately needed.

We have not been hiding anything.

In 2017, we learned for the first time

that the Department of Defense had quietly

restarted a similar organization tracking

what we now call unidentified
aerial phenomena or UAPs.

UAPs are unexplained, it's true, but they are real.

They need to be investigated

and any threats they pose need to be mitigated.

The Pentagon
sent two high level officers,

deputy Director of Navy Intelligence, Scott Bray,

and under Secretary of Defense, Ronald Moultrie,

to a congress far better informed

than prior intelligence
officials had faced in the past.

There is something there measurable

by multiple instruments and yet it seems to move

in directions that are inconsistent

with what we know of physics
or science more broadly.

Do we have an example of an
object that can't be explained

as having been human made or natural?

The example that that I would say

that is still unresolved,

that I think everyone
understands quite well is the

2004 incident from from Nimitz.

200 miles off the coast of San Diego.

The USS Nimitz Carrier Strike Group

encountered an unknown
object described as a tic tac

that flew rings around two

of the Navy's best frontline fighters.

The ability to hover over the water

and then start a vertical
climb from basically zero up

towards about 12,000 feet

and then accelerate in less than two seconds

and disappear is something
I had never seen in my life.

Are we aware of any foreign adversary capable

of moving objects

without any discernible means of propulsion?

Without discernible means of propulsion,

I would say that we're not aware of any adversary

that can move an object

without discernible means of propulsion.

Former Deputy
Assistant Secretary of Defense,

Christopher Mellon, was one of the key figures

who brought the Nimitz case public.

He and a few other insiders found a loophole

in the classification that
allowed him to walk the tapes out

of the Pentagon

and onto the front page of the New York Times.

When I first contacted the
Armed Services Committee,

or shortly thereafter, I said
to one of the staffers there,

"Why don't you get the deck logs

for the Nimitz from November, 2004?"

So he went to the Congressional Research Office

and tasked them to go to the
archives and get the deck logs.

Guess what? They're missing.

For that one limited window of time.

The records before there, the records after there,

but the deck logs for the Nimitz incident

for that period of time are missing.

Gentlemen, it's not beyond the realm of possibility

that there is some exploration coming here

and that underlies a lot of the reports you get.

I think Mr. LaHood was asking about

that people think there must
be extra terrestrial life

and it's not at all beyond the pale

that there would be a visit here.

There have been no collisions
between any US assets

in one of these UAPs, correct?

We have not had a collision.

We've had at least 11 near misses though.

There hasn't been a hearing since 1968

and here we are having a hearing, you know,

where just a few years ago,
we didn't even acknowledge

that these things were real prior to 2017.

That alone to me was so incredible
that I almost didn't care

what happened during the hearing.

Just the fact that it was happening

and that I could be present for that,

it felt like, you know,

after all the work I'd done on this for so many years,

it was really rewarding to me.

It just really meant a lot to just be in that room.

It's also been reported

that there have been UAP
observed interacting with

and flying over sensitive military facilities

housing our strategic nuclear forces.

One such incident allegedly occurred

at Malmstrom Air Force Base

in which 10 of our nuclear
ICBMs were rendered inoperable.

What really moved me about
it was some of the statements

that the congressman made.

And the kinds of questions
they asked were so probing

and Andre Carson was so
eloquent in his introduction

and Adam Schiff, you know,

and they seemed to really
understand the importance

of this issue

and here they were stating that to the world.

You're the guys investigating it.

I mean, who else is doing it?

If something was officially brought

to our attention, we would look at it.

I'm bringing it to your attention.

This is pretty official.

Sure. So we'll go back
and take a look at it.

But generally there is some authoritative figure

that says there is an incident that occurred.

We'd like you to look at this.

For what it's worth, I would like you

to look in into it

and if for another reason you could dismiss it

and say this is not worth wasting resources on.

Mr. Krishnamoorthi.

First question is, have we come across any wreckage

of any kind of object

that has now been examined by you?

The UAP task force doesn't have any wreckage

that isn't explainable,

that isn't consistent with
being of terrestrial origin.

And then finally are you aware of a document

that appeared around 2019

sometimes called the Admiral
Wilson Memo or EW Notes Memo?

I'm not.

You're not.

I'm not personally aware of that.

Okay.

The leaked memo

reveals an alleged covert meeting

with former director of the
Defense Intelligence Agency,

Vice Admiral Thomas R. Wilson,

an astrophysicist and aerospace
engineer, Dr. Eric Davis

about an ultra secret UAP crash retrieval program.

According to the memo, the meeting took place

in the back parking lot

of United States national
defense contractor involved

with some of the government's
most sensitive technologies.

Vice Admiral Wilson prefaced the meeting

with the following caveat,

"If you blow my trust, I'll deny meeting you,

deny everything said,

won't meet with any more people without clearances.

Too risky.

Never seen anything like this program

in black programs community.

A reverse engineering program.

Something recovered years ago in the past.

Called themselves the watch
committee or gate keepers.

An isolated group using their own facilities

and cleared personnel, about 400 to 800 workers.

No White House names, no president,

no congressional people,
no congressional staffers.

They had a craft, an intact
craft they believed could fly.

The program manager said they
didn't know where it was from.

They had some ideas on this.

It was technology that was not of this earth,

"not made by man, not by human hands."

So you're not aware of that?

I'm not aware of it, congressman.

In my 10 seconds remaining,

I guess I just would ask Mr.
Chairman unanimous consent

to enter that memo into the record.

Without objection.

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Appreciate it.

The Wilson memo was brought up

in the congressional hearings.

Do you think there's any legitimacy to that memo?

That's an area that I don't feel I can comment on.

So anyway, I suppose you're...

Stanford trained PhD physicist,

Dr. Hal Puthoff has been involved

in highly classified programs for the DOD

and intelligence communities.

Dr. Puthoff was senior
advisor and contractor

to a number of UAP programs

for the Defense Intelligence Agency.

His alleged research into
crash retrievals is mentioned

in the Wilson Davis memo recently read

into the congressional record.

I mean, I've signed security oaths,

you know, TS, SCI, GAMMA, HCS,

I mean a whole line of things
of, well, if you get access

to this information and this information

and this information and this information,

you will not reveal it to the public.

And if you do, you will go to jail.

Sign the piece of paper, okay?

Sign the piece of paper.

So until there's some statement on high

that somehow abridges that, oh, for sure,

I would go to jail to say things that I know

that I've been exposed to in the program.

I mean, Davis, you know,

that's part of the Wilson Davis memo.

I mean, of course Davis is
my senior scientific advisor

for a couple of decades so I know him well

and if he were to say it happened,

then I'd be willing to admit it happened.

But at this point,

that's area that it's not worth digging into.

We caught up with the man

who organized the first
congressional hearing on UAP

in over 50 years.

Representative, Andre Carson.

Senator Reed was quoted in 2019

in the New Yorker magazine.

"I was told for decades that Lockheed had some

of these retrieved materials

and I tried to get, as I recall, a classified approval

by the Pentagon to have me go look at the stuff.

They would not approve that.

I don't know what all the numbers are,

what kind of classification it was,

but they would not give that to me.

"They would not give me clearance."

Have you heard any credible reports

or anything at all that would substantiate

that we have hardware or bodies?

I know it's a tall order

and I'm not trying to put you on the spot,

but that's so significant if that's the case.

What are you hearing, Congressman?

Well, obviously due to my work on the hearing

and the oath that I've taken, you know,

I won't talk about technology

because it could compromise
our national security.

I think it's important to
acknowledge our victories.

Just a couple of years ago,

if you brought up UAPs to other members of Congress,

there's a chance you could be laughed at.

You know, now we're seeing public statements

from the White House Pentagon and more,

and there's a lot we don't know.

I understand that can be frustrating,

but we want to encourage folks, give kudos to you

to keep pushing for more
information and more answers.

So we have a lot of work to do to remove the stigma.

One thing I learned that, you know, as a reporter

for 20 plus years in Washington is

if the Congress learns it, we
will learn it too eventually

because Congress is the worst at keeping secrets.

So it'll be interesting to see
how this process plays out,

but you know, the pressure's on

and I think the Pentagon, the CIA,

other agencies are gonna have to answer the mail.

In late 2022,

President Biden signed legislation

that established a mandate for
new UAP reporting procedures.

Within the National Defense Act for 2023

is a section outlining new UAP
reporting procedures relating

to retrieved materials.

One particular thing that really jumped out at me,

any activity or program by a department

or agency of the federal government

or a contractor of such a
department or agency relating

to unidentified anomalous phenomena including

with respect to material
retrieval, material analysis,

reverse engineering, research and development,

detection and tracking, et cetera.

That's some pretty incredible language.

I don't even have to read between the lines there.

It's stunning.

What they're saying is that all

of these legends about Roswell.

The Army Air Forces has announced

that a flying disc has been found

and is now in the possession of the army.

The disc landed at a ranch at Corona, New Mexico.

It was not anything from this earth...

We find it's sufficiently credible.

We now have reason enough to
believe that may have happened.

I mean it's incredible

and I think it will lead to the realization

that we're not alone,

but maybe we're not publicly ready for that yet.

Our team takes to
the streets in Washington DC.

I think if UFOs were real, I would not want to know.

It might just give me more anxiety.

So I think I would be really, really interested

to know if anyone else is out there.

Even if it's scary.

Even if it's scary, it's better-

There's a right way to communicate that

to the public though.

There needs to be a unified message on both sides

of what could be going on

but I just think that people
need to have a consensus.

- Yeah.
- Yeah.

There's no way to slowly reveal something like that

but I think it should just be talked about,

like anything's talked about like sports.

Transparency is always a good thing

so I do think it's something I care about.

They wouldn't want to cause a mass hysteria.

How are we safe? How
are things going on?

I think that as citizens,

we are citizens of this earth, not just this country.

And as such, we would have a right

to know what is beyond this earth.

How would they tell us? By news or?

Hide your kids, hide your wives, hide.

- They're coming.
- They're coming to get you.

I'm feeling like...

Is there other data?

Is there other sensory data?

Is there other photographic
data, videotape, FLIR footage,

things that you've seen that have not gotten out?

Oh, there's lots more data that has not gotten out.

- Like what?
- That I'm aware of and-

That you're aware of or that you saw?

Well, that I saw,
that I worked on. Yeah.

Could you talk about it at all?

No.

All of the witnesses

in this film have been vetted as to the veracity

of their government or contractor positions.

Some appear anonymously as they work their way

through the Congressional
Whistleblower Protections program

recently established by Congress.

They represent just a small portion

of legitimate UAP whistleblowers wanting

to testify under oath.

I am sitting here today

because the American people are being lied to

and I think it's high time that we rip the bandaid off

and go for full transparency

because I believe the American people,

and quite frankly the people of the world

at this point have a right to know.

So the government has done itself a disservice

for whatever reason, because
in a lot of people's eyes-

They've lied to us

for like 75 years.
- This particular subject is

where the government really started lying to us.

Hi, my name is Lenval Logan.
Everyone calls me Logan.

I'm a retired Air Force intelligence analyst

that started off as a B-52
crew chief and cross-trained.

I had the opportunity to support the UAP Taskforce

and I'm here to talk about

what I can at an unclassified
level to share what I know.

People are starting to come out.

You know, Congress is
saying, "Come, testify."

I am Sarah Gamm.

I was a research scientist
for the Department of Defense

and during my years as a scientist, I was able

to investigate and research classified

and unclassified reports of UAPs.

Why now?

I feel like it is the time

where I've seen the interest in the Congress.

So you're not aware of that?

I've seen the interest with the UFO programs

and it just was very adversarial.

I get the fact that the technology,

if you could separate that out

and call that national security

that the technologies they're working on

that has some reason to stay classified,

but the revelation that
there's other life out there,

that should be something for everybody.

Did what you see convince you that the DOD

or the intelligence agencies
have a lot more compelling data

than what the general public knows about?

Yes, there's a lot more data out there.

I'd say a fraction of it

that I was able to see is something unexplainable

like physics that's beyond our realm.

It's not an aircraft, it's not camera parallax,

it's not trash in the sky, it's not a balloon.

It's something we don't know what it is.

It is a true UAP.

Senate majority leader, Harry Reid said to me,

"What's been released is
merely the tip of the iceberg."

How do you respond to that?

Because I've supported the
taskforce and everything.

There's more data out there.

More data out there or in there?

Okay, more data behind closed doors.

I'm a hundred
percent saying I have evidence

and I've seen it of craft that perform

with anomalous characteristics,

completely silent, able to
maneuver at random speeds,

stop on a dime, hover, take off again.

Go into and out of the water.

Yeah, we have 31 knots sustained wind, top side,

gusts of 40.

What was that splash?

Mark bearing range.

What do we
have that could do that?

P1, Control doesn't know what type

of aircraft it is either.

It is really, truly amazing

when I'm able to look at a report or video, photos

and know that's not from here.

The number of emails that I've gotten alone

in the last two months from
other scientists saying,

how do I help?

Physicists...

Dr. Garry Nolan
is an American immunologist,

academic inventor and business entrepreneur

with his own lab at Stanford
University School of Medicine.

Dr. Nolan has worked on alleged exotic

or meta materials in association

with members of the intelligence
and defense communities

from UAP cases around the world.

Do you know things

that if you revealed them right here

on camera, would get you in trouble?

Yes.

Is it frustrating knowing those things?

Yes and so I don't know anywhere near

what I think some people do
know and people I know do know.

And so it's not what I know, it's what they do.

And I think that that's the reason

why you're seeing this concerted effort

from individuals within the government

who are saying, enough is enough,

time to get this information out.

I'm a hundred
percent saying I have evidence

and I've seen.

It's stuff at the secrets housed on SIPR,

stuff at the top secret levels housed on JWICS.

On these systems, there are
very high quality image files

showing UAPs doing transmedium travel,

and atmospheric entry, et cetera.

Science can't explain this stuff,

but you can't explain it
based on a shaky iPhone video

that somebody took while camping.

It's frustrating when I hear

mainstream scientific community

on all the talk shows criticizing the lack

of more compelling data when I know it exists.

It seems to me aliens who visited us,

they would manifest more
convincingly than fuzzy video.

And then there's all these different excuses

as to why it's not being released.

I get that and I'm sure that some of that is relevant.

However, the bigger issue is

they have definitive confirmation
that these craft are real

and they don't know where the fuck they come from.

Excuse my French.

Okay, that's it. I know that's the case.

There's enough evidence out
there that demands a verdict

that says, yes, there's something going on.

Is there enough evidence to say
that these are off worlders?

Some of us would say yes, some of us would say no.

But collaboratively, with the
right people working together,

I think we could come up

with a definitive answer and the answer is yes.

His name is Gary McKinnon.

He's 46 years old.

He hacked into the computers of NASA, the US Army,

the Navy, the Air Force, - And broke into some

of the most secret US military computer networks.

97 US military and NASA computers.

But he claims he was just looking

for secret evidence of
unidentified flying objects.

Snooping for UFOs drafted Gary McKinnon.

The Americans say

McKinnon is a cyber terrorist

who caused almost half a
million pounds worth of damage

to military computers.

Live in our studios in New York

and US officials are not at all happy about this one.

Not at all.

He stumbled on unedited satellite images of,

as he said, out of this world flying objects.

In 2002, he was charged

with the biggest US military hack in the universe.

What did he find in the way of UFO evidence?

Well, he says he spent a year looking

through these computer systems

and he found, he says photographic proof

of alien spacecraft and the names

and ranks of something he
called non-terrestrial officers.

He has not at this point shared those names with us.

If extradition does go ahead.

Gary could face 60 years in an American prison.

The crew caught up with Gary McKinnon

in the English countryside.

How many people wanted to know what you saw?

Oh god.

Newspapers, film companies, book writers,

and television stations.

Yeah, I've lost count.

Oh my god, "You're Gary McKinnon."

"Yeah."

"What did you see? Is it true?" Yeah.

They very much want to get him back here

to face American justice.

One official here at the Home Office

told me the fresh evidence left

Theresa May, the home secretary

with little option but to extradite McKinnon.

By 2008 I was so low

because we went for court case after court case

and judicial review and losing every time.

And eventually I thought, look, I'm gonna,

I had a good talk with myself,

I'm gonna either spend the rest of my life

until I die in a foreign prison.

So I decided to take my own life

because I thought I'm not
giving my life to to prison so.

Gary McKinnon had hacked

into a number of military networks,

but it was through a subnet at Johnson Space Center

that he hit pay dirt.

I was on dial up, 56K dial up

and it took me five minutes
to download one megabyte.

So I thought, I've gotta do this before I get caught.

I've gotta download.

I was trying to steal the truth.

Slowly this image started to appear as black

and then it lightened

and then it was the hemisphere of a planet.

I assumed earth.

And then I started to see the
top of a tubular shape thing.

It's silvery white metallic looking.

It got about halfway down the screen.

And this was a craft floating
above, I assumed the earth.

I didn't see land masses, but I saw cloud cover.

Totally not manmade. It was very smooth.

There were no rivets, no seams.

Just this very smooth tube shape.

And it got two thirds of the way down the screen

and I was sitting there with
bated breath waiting for this

gold dust to come into my lap.

But then I saw the mouse move

and the mouse pointer moved

to the bottom right of the screen

and right clicked on the local area network icon

and the popup menu and chose disconnect

and boom, blank screen and that was me blocked out.

So it was my eureka moment,

but also my, shit, I've been caught.

Mr. McKinnon is accused
of serious crimes.

Then you really do think,

you know, the Talking Heads song.

Oh my god, what have I done?

Very heavy shit.

The gravity of

Gary McKinnon's alleged defenses are not in doubt.

There have been discussions
between the British government

and the American ambassador
about potential steps

that could be taken in this case.

On his visit to the White House, David Cameron spoke

to President Obama about the case

and both agreed they could
find an appropriate solution.

One of the traditions we have is

the president doesn't get involved in

decisions around prosecutions,
extradition matters.

Since I came into office, the sole issue

on which I have been required to make a decision is

whether Mr. McKinnon's extradition

to the United States would breach his human rights.

After careful consideration of all

of the relevant material, I have concluded

that Mr. McKinnon's
extradition would give rise

to such a high risk of him ending his life.

Hear! Hear!

That a decision to extradite
would be incompatible

with Mr. McKinnon's human rights.

I have therefore withdrawn the extradition order

against Mr. McKinnon.

Hear! Hear!

That was incredible, Theresa May.

I cried like a baby.

You know that huge relief 10 years of,

'cause you know us, men, we bottle it up, don't we?

It's all just keep it in, keep it down

and it all just, floodgates.

But yeah, incredible day.

I want to say thank you Theresa May

'cause it was an incredibly brave decision

to stand up to another nation

as strong and powerful as America is rare

and she had the guts to do it.

We've done it. We've won
for the little person.

Mr. McKinnon is
forbidden to travel outside

of England and Wales for the rest of his life

unless he receives a pardon from the United States.

There are a number of ways in which this story

could have been, shall we say, managed

to stop it getting out, which was our intention.

They were bracing for impact.

Yeah, they were.

- Of this story coming out.
- Yeah.

Dr. David Clarke uncovered
what many say is the UFO case

of the century.

August, 1990.

Scotland's Daily Record was on the eve

of publishing a story involving two witnesses

and six 35-millimeter photographs.

Then the Ministry of Defense stepped in

and the witnesses and prints
vanished for over 30 years

And he was worried about whether he would get

into trouble with the
official secrets like he said.

After over a decade of research,

Dr. Clarke discovered one

of the early investigators of the case,

Royal Air Force Press Officer, Craig Lindsay,

one of the officials known

to have interviewed the witnesses.

Something that could hover
without making any noise

and travel at the speed that this guy said

that went vertically upwards
is utterly beyond my knowledge.

How they keep it quiet for 30
odd years, again, beyond me.

In August of
1990, two hotel employees left

after their shift for a late afternoon hike

in the town of Calvine just a few miles away.

It was the Atholl Palace Hotel

because when they mentioned the name,

that hotel's got lots of, you
know, pinnacles and things.

It's a very Disney type of place.

Two witnesses were out hiking.

They then saw a large diamond
shaped craft hovering.

It didn't move.

It just hovered in the air without making any noise.

With the help

of Calvine resident, Giles Stevens,

we were able to find the probable
location of the encounter.

The two witnesses most likely hid under this tree.

The witnesses looked at this for a while

and one of them had a camera.

The craft was hovering silently

and they were terrified.

That's what they said to me,

that all they want to do is to hide.

But when the jet came along, they sort

of stuck the camera out from behind the bush

and snapped six frames.

They got a picture of the likes

of which I don't think anybody has seen before.

The bit that then stands out is that I asked him

what happened next and he said we watched it

for another minute or two
and then it started to move.

"And how did it move?"

"Oh, it started to go up

and then it got faster and faster and faster

and disappeared straight up."

And I said, "What sort
of noise did it make?"

And I got the instant answer,
"It didn't make any noise."

And that was the bit where suddenly everything

in my head went, wait a minute,
I don't know of any aircraft

that can hover and can
maneuver at that kind of speed

and doesn't make a noise.

That's when I kind of woke up to the whole thing.

It would've blown our standard line out of the water.

Therefore we wanted to bury this and we did.

All the photographs and all
the negatives were acquired

by the Ministry of Defense and
they were never seen again.

Despite efforts
of the Ministry of Defense

to keep this evidence from the public,

Royal Air Force Press Officer,
Craig Lindsay kept one print,

which he has now donated

to the Center for Contemporary Legend,

where it was analyzed by photo
specialist, Andrew Robinson.

The first time he mentioned it to me,

he said, "I've got this photograph,

I wonder if you could copy it for me.

I'm going up to Scotland to get it."

Everything fitted with the story.

It substantiates the narrative

that's been told about it,

that the grain seems very smooth

over the edges of the object.

There's no sign that anything was done

to this after the image was taken.

So Craig Lindsay at the RVF saved this

for 30 plus years.
- Yes.

Even after retirement, he took it with him

when he left the office in 2000.

He's kind of a hero.

He is a real hero.

We would know so less about this story now

if it wasn't for Craig doing what he did.

The reason that this was a
good photo was twofold really.

Firstly it was daylight,

but secondly, far more importantly,

there were features of the ground

and what that meant of course
is that one can triangulate,

one can start to make detailed calculations

about the distance of the object from the camera,

the height above the ground, et cetera.

The bottom line was everyone
was very impressed with this

and said, no, it's a solid structured real craft.

Where are the wings? Where's the fuselage?

Where are the engines?
How does this thing fly?

And what we were interested in trying to do

from the images is to try

and almost reverse engineer an idea about

what kind of propulsion system was involved here

and that we hoped would give us a clue

as to who was operating this.

The last thing we wanted was an open discussion

about these up close and personal daylight images

of a huge unknown craft of some type

with military aircraft in the background.

If you have a date and a location and a time

when a military aircraft
was seen, you would find out

in an instant what aircraft it was,

what squadron it came from, who the air crew were

and you would instantly be able to debrief them.

For whatever reason, the Ministry of Defense line

on this is that the aircraft was not traced

and the pilots were not interviewed.

The overwhelming consensus is

that the military plane seen

in the photo is a Harrier jump jet

but neither records nor a
pilot's name has been found.

So we've got three possible scenarios.

One, hoax.

Two, secret stealth military aircraft belonging

to the United States or some other foreign power,

or three, which would fall
into the category of other

which would imply originating
from a non-human intelligence.

At one point during my posting on the UFO desk,

I went to a briefing, a more
general briefing about UAP

and this photo was brought out

and the briefer who was in the
intelligence community said,

you know, "This photo here," he said,

and he started gesticulating

and he said, you know, "It's
not the United States."

And he said, "It's not
Russia and that only leaves."

And he pointed straight up
and we looked at his finger

and we looked at the ceiling
and nothing further was said.

Now 34 years

after their disappearance, a coworker at the hotel,

Richard Grieve, has broken his silence

I know the people that took the photograph.

I'd go my grave swearing

on my great-great-great-great
great grandchildren's lives

on that, yes.

I worked with them in the kitchen.

I served fried eggs with 'em.

I made poached eggs, they made toast.

You know, we was five of us in the kitchen.

Ewan was a good breakfast chef.

I've just named one of them.

A few days after taking the photos,

the witnesses and their coworkers were

on a five minute cigarette break

when they had an unexpected visit.

Pissing wet with rain, thundering weather,

big black car appears.

The car came out, the light stayed on,

the window wipers stayed on,

private glass in the back, driver in the front.

He never got out of his car once,

but the two people in the back did.

They stepped out the back and that was it.

"Cigarette break is over, go back inside.

We need to speak to your friends."

Richard and the other chefs watched

through a nearby hotel window

as the two strangers confronted their coworkers

in the parking lot.

They were fucking spooks.

They were men in black

and they stood outside in the
pissing rain speaking to them.

After roughly
10 minutes, the men drove off

and the two witnesses came back inside.

They came in the back door.

They looked white as a fucking ghost.

Something happened to them.

They've seen something.

Whoever came out the car scared the absolute crap

out of them.

Guess what?

"We've taken a picture of UFO

"and the Americans are after us."

Whatever got said to them outside,

they were not the same chefs

that left the same kitchen
I was working in with them.

According to their coworker, Richard,

the two witnesses started to
drink heavily, missed shifts,

slept in their cars at work

and after four weeks they vanished without a trace.

Chefs don't just disappear

out of their kitchen for 34
years and not have no other job.

Do you hear what I'm saying?

You just don't fuck off and not work ever again.

Where are they?

Even if they do tip up to be dead,

I'd still like to know where they went.

Back in Washington
DC, the filmmakers arrive

at NASA headquarters for a press conference

where the head of NASA will announce the results

of their first year long UAP study.

The announcement was made
during a news conference

on findings from NASA's
headquarters in Washington DC

We, NASA have taken for the
first time concrete action

to seriously look into UAP.

UAP are one of our planet's greatest mysteries.

We looked at NASA's assets.

They typically do not have the resolution needed

for UAP events.

They relied on unclassified data only.

The NASA independent study team.

Based on our current findings and methodology

that we find no evidence to suggest that UAP.

Have an extra terrestrial origin.

Most events are explainable as planes.

Balloons, drones, satellites.

Aircraft seen with the sun glinting off of them.

Weather phenomenon and instrument features.

But we don't know what these UAP are,

but we're gonna try to find out.

You said at the beginning of the meeting

that NASA will be transparent.

Well, a month and a half ago,

Mr. David Grusch said
under oath in Congress

that US government is in possession of UAPs

and extraterrestrial life.

Do you believe what Mr. David
Grusch said or is he lying?

What he said,

if I recall having seen this on the nightly news,

was that he had a friend

that knew where a warehouse was

that had UFO locked up in a warehouse.

I served at the NRO Operations Center

on the Director's briefing staff,

which included the coordination

of the presidential daily brief

and supporting variety of
contingency operations,

which I was the reserve
intelligence division chief backup.

For the first time in history,

an intelligence officer

with top level security
clearances testified under oath

that the US government has definitive proof

that we're not alone.

Mr. Grusch.

Mr. Chairman, ranking
members and congressman.

My name is David Charles Grusch.

I was an intelligence officer
for 14 years both in the US...

Mr. Grusch, a
decorated combat veteran,

had been tasked by multiple agencies

to look specifically into
classified UAP evidence.

I was my agency's co-lead

in unidentified anomalous phenomena

and transmedium object analysis

as well as reporting to the UAP taskforce.

The inspector general
deemed his whistleblower claim

both credible and urgent.

Mr. Grusch, in the last couple

of years have you had
incidences that have caused you

to be in fear for your life
for addressing these issues?

Yes, personally.

Upon discovering a rogue UAP program,

Mr. Grusch felt going
public was his only option.

I just want everyone to note

that he's coming forward in fear of his life.

To put it in perspective,

if they were really not scared
about this information coming

out, why would someone be intimidated like that?

Has the US government become aware

of actual evidence of extraterrestrial

otherwise unexplained forms of intelligence?

I was informed in the course of my official duties

of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval

and reverse engineering program,

I made the decision based on the data I collected

to report this information to my superiors

and multiple inspectors general

and in effect, becoming a whistleblower.

What level of security clearance is required

to fully access these programs?

You know, TS/SCI clearance
meets the eligibility criteria.

The access adjudicated authority should be able

to grant you access.

Mr. Grusch if you'll yield,

so just to put a fine point on that.

You know, he knows all this information

but by law he can't tell it to us

unless we're in a secure environment.

It's something I can't discuss in public setting.

Mr. Grusch, finally, do you believe

that our government is in possession of UAPs?

Absolutely, based on interviewing

over 40 witnesses over four years.

And where?

I know the exact locations

and those locations were
provided to the Inspector General

and some to the intelligence committees,

I actually had the people
with the firsthand knowledge

provide a protected disclosure
to the Inspector General.

I handle intelligence and cybersecurity for the...

Kirk McConnell, a former staff member

for the Senate Armed Services
Committee was present

at meetings with current and former government

and contractor personnel
claiming firsthand knowledge

of involvement in crash recovery operations,

intelligence operations and
reverse engineering programs.

They have or have had very
high level security clearances.

They appear to be rational and believable.

You're telling me people have come forward

behind the scenes claiming firsthand knowledge

of craft of non-human origin?

That's correct. They have.

We have, let's say sources,
we have individuals, people

who have asserted not only
that there have been crashes

but there have been crash retrievals

and that there is a crash retrieval effort

that has spanned a significant period of time

since the end of the Second World War.

And so it does deserve to be looked at seriously

and not dismissed.

You know, I've always kept
and tried to keep an open mind

and I really believe it's all about the data.

I'm very empirical

and I'm not gonna say take a
conclusive position on this

until there is absolute conclusive proof.

But at this point together with some other sources,

I started to think, oh my god, it's really true.

In 2020, former
Deputy Assistant Secretary

of Defense for Intelligence,
Christopher Mellon engaged

in confidential correspondence

with a high level government
official with credible access

who described in considerable detail aspects

of an alleged UAP recovery program.

After he cleared it for release,

Mellon provided an unredacted
copy with names including

that of the gatekeeper of the program

to select members of Congress.

I was flabbergasted when I got this message.

This is from somebody that I knew,

a senior government official

with appropriate clearances
and access telling me

that UAP have landed and been recovered

and there was a formal government program

and he had encountered it, discovered it

and was seeking to be read into it.

Blank and I are making huge progress getting

into the crash retrieval program.

So it's not just one individual, it's two

who are involved and witting.

He plans to meet with you at some point.

Senate Armed Services and
Intelligence Committees

would be slack jawed if they
found out what we now know.

We're dealing with the recovered UAP

that landed not crashed, landed in Kingman, Arizona

in the fifties.

We also know who recovers landed or crashed UAPs

under what authorities.

We know the management structure

and the security control systems

and ownership of the program.

We know a still-highly classified memo

by the secretary of the Air
Force in the fifties is still

in effect to maintain the cover.

We also know who the Air Force gatekeeper is

and he names him.

The gatekeeper is the individual

who manages access to the program.

And I know someone who spoke
to the Air Force gatekeeper

and the Air Force gatekeeper purportedly

so neither confirmed nor denied.

US Air Force Master Sergeant, Jason Sands

has secretly testified to the Senate

and House Intelligence Committees.

This is his first time going on camera

to discuss the unclassified
portion of those meetings.

Could you and a handful of others prove

to our government, our elected officials,

that we are in possession of off world vehicles?

Yes.

Master Sergeant Sands is willing

to publicly testify under oath to Congress

that he can produce the classified details needed

to verify the following claims
provided he's given immunity.

I'm a retired Air Force Master Sergeant.

Part of my career in the 1990s,

I worked three years at the

and the programs which included numerous sites

around the United States

and I was one of the red team
members that would go out

and do telecommunications assessments

to check for intelligence leaks

and counterintel type issues at those locations

that were involved in the legacy program.

The term legacy program means endeavors

to collect, exploit or
reverse engineer technologies

of unknown origin or examine biological evidence

of living or deceased non-human intelligence.

Do you have the names of the programs?

I gave it all to them.

Do you have the names of the people involved

with the programs?

Yes.

This definition appears verbatim

in the UAP Disclosure Act authorized

by Senator Schumer, Rounds, Rubio

and Gillibrand that passed the Senate in 2023.

Why now?

I feel like it is the time

where I've seen the interest in the Congress.

I've seen the interest with the UFO programs.

Unidentified aerial phenomena.

And including the talk of

that standing up and everything.

Kind of think in my head, is this the time to do this?

Because I'd seen so many times that it failed.

Tracking what we now call.

Decade after decade

of, you know, somebody trying to come forward,

pointing fingers at Congress,
pointing fingers at (beep),

pointing fingers at whoever else

and it just was very adversarial.

If I felt comfortable enough without getting shot

to go walk on

and show them exactly what I
told them in the interview,

I would go out there and I would drive them right up

to the gate

as long as I knew they had the authority to walk

into that facility with me.

This is the hangar I told you about.

There's the radar over there.

There's the weather station that was taken over.

Here's where me and the commander went

around the whole base.

I could show them all of those kinds of things

and that's where we're kind of headed with all this.

I get the fact that the technology,

if you could separate that out

and call that national security,

that the technologies they're working on

that has some reason to stay classified,

but the revelation that
there's other life out there

that should be something for everybody.

That's the way I feel.

Two congressional committee staffers

have confirmed the credentials of this witness

to the filmmakers.

He is who he says he is.

He was stationed where he said he was

and he's confirmed actual
names of classified programs.

There's so much concern

that there's something locked up classified

and that the American government is not being open.

Well, we are the American government and we are open

and we're gonna be open about this.

Do you believe what Mr. David
Grusch said or is he lying?

Whatever he said, where's
the evidence is my response.

I can give you a specific cooperative

and hostile witness list.

And we could get that in the SCIF if we were allowed

to get in a SCIF with you and that'd be probably.

I can't discuss that publicly

but I did provide that information

both to the intel committees
and the Inspector General.

He also said he had another friend

that said that he had parts of an alien.

Do we have the bodies of the pilots

who piloted this craft?

As I've stated publicly already

in my News Nation interview, biologics came

with some of these recoveries, yeah.

Do you believe our government has made contact

with intelligent extraterrestrials?

It's something I can't discuss in a public setting.

The following encounter took place

at Nellis Test Range in Nevada in the winter of 1994.

As far as this unknown object, aircraft type.

18.6 degrees elevation.

US Air Force Master Sergeant Jason Sands

was stationed at the nearby Nellis Air Base

with the 67th Intelligence Group at the time.

This previous week, the UFO came on the range,

flew right by what we called the schoolhouse

'cause that's where we did the training

and it went down into the valley and continued on.

So they have actual video of it

and that's what you see out there in the public,

this Nellis range UFO.

P1 control doesn't know what type

of aircraft it is either and no ACM, no tactics.

The system that they use also uses a a type of radar

to lock on to aircraft as they come into view.

So this is what recorded the UFO also.

A quick one, right up high now.

It's going like straight up.

The people that leaked the video out

to the public also leaked the
names of those individuals.

I don't know.

And they were talking, a lot of 'em were excited.

Some didn't know what it was they were saying.

Some of 'em were saying it was a UFO for sure.

Other people were like, no, it had to be some kind

of messed up looking helicopter.

Other people were like, I just don't know.

I just don't know.

But everybody was excited about it.

Three days later, Sergeant Sands was part

of a convoy overseeing a training exercise.

He was in the lead vehicle
heading toward the center

of Nellis Range, near Quartz Mountain.

One of those days when the wind just cuts right

through whatever you're wearing.

It's me, there's another person in the passenger seat

and a young lady off to my right.

About a mile down the road, there's this guy on my left

and he looks like he's wearing a uniform like ours.

But I also noticed the skin
tone is very white to blue.

And I'm thinking, oh crap, this
guy is dying of hypothermia

and he's running funny too.

It's like every step he takes,

he looks like he's gonna fall over.

Guy needs help. We need to stop.

As we get closer, I definitely get the idea

that he must be suffering from hypothermia

because he does have this bluish tint to his skin.

I'm thinking, this guy needs medical help.

I need to get my butt out of the car

and, you know, before he falls down and starts to die.

And I'm thinking...
- In the distance,

Sergeant Sands noticed a strange landed craft

resembling a helicopter,

but he was more focused on the
individual in need of help.

And then as we slow down and we approached the part

where he's the only just a few feet away,

the guy in the passenger seat screams,

"He's got no f-ing ears."

At that point, there's my open door,

I'm standing on one side of it,

and the individual that was running towards us was

on the other side.

And I shut the door and I look up and he's got no ears.

And I'm thinking, is he a mutant?

I look at them, they're
symmetric. They're just like ours.

They got lobes, everything.

It's just, they're conformed to his head.

They're not sticking out like we do.

And then I notice his eyes, they're like twice as big

and I'm thinking he's either not from around here,

from another planet, kind of not around here,

or this is some sort of a mutant.

And he turns towards me.

And I get that kind of a snake bite kind of a fear

in my gut like, oh my gosh, you know, I'm very scared.

And then he starts talking to me

and he's speaking a language I don't know,

but I'm understanding every word he says

and I don't know how that happened.

So there's this telepathic sort

of understanding I get from him,

but he's speaking a different language.

How far away were you from him?

No, more than about three feet.

The eyes caught me at first for how dark they were,

but it was more like, you know, looking at somebody

that had just large eyes that were dark colored.

Looking right in the eyes

and then I'm starting to kind of once him over

and I can see his battle dress uniform.

Usually if you go up range,

you wear your really crappy stuff

and this guy had a pristine uniform on.

I remember looking at his boots thinking,

how on earth are they that shiny?

And after running as far as he did just there,

he should have had dust on them.

And I'm thinking, how did
they stay pristine like that?

So it was a little bit off to me

but that didn't stop me for too long

because he was asking me stuff

and he was asking for some material,

a material he called either
tintillium, trintillium

or something like that and I
didn't know what the name was.

He mentioned it was to repair his craft.

And the only material that I could come up with,

I was like, "Is that titanium?"

He's like, "No."

And then he stepped off the roadway

and went back to his craft.

As the individual
walked back toward the craft,

Sergeant Sands realized

his military colleagues seemed entranced.

They all watched as the pilot
climbed back into the cockpit

and the canopy closed.

The vehicle rose silently.

He got into the cockpit and then he kinda went up

in chunks like stair steps above the roadway

and then he took off to the south.

I got back in the car, everybody seemed to come back

to normal, snapped to,

and we just went up and did our daily job.

Would you respond to anyone watching this

that would say this guy's clearly?

- A nut job?
- Yeah.

I would say number one,

the Congress would never have talked to me if I was.

I was verified probably a year

before I even talked to
Congress by the UAP taskforce.

There are databases that
people don't have access to

that only Congress and people

that are in special access programs have.

That's where they discovered my name.

That's where they saw where I was stationed

also in my military records,

that established, at least who
I said and where I had been

and the programs I was accessed to,

they can verify all of that.

The producers contacted DOD officials

who were aware of the 1994 encounter,

but would not verify it on or off the record.

As extraordinary as this story seems,

the subject is not new.

The Air Force and other agencies,

as well as governments around the world

have been documenting close
encounters of the third kind,

reports of interactions
with non-human intelligence

since at least the 1940s.

I asked some of our scientists,

what is the mathematical probability

that there is life out there in the universe.

At least a trillion.

And when you think of the universe

and how vast that it is,

there are billions and billions of galaxies

and each of those galaxies, including our own,

have billions and billions of stars.

There are 10,000 times more stars

in the universe than there are grains of sand

on the surface of the earth.

Has the US government become aware

of actual evidence of extraterrestrial

otherwise unexplained forms of intelligence?

And if so, when do you think this first occurred?

Certainly, like I've discussed publicly,

previously 1930s.

I'm Congressman Tim Burchett
from Knoxville, Tennessee.

I was one of 'em that was responsible for putting

on the big hearings that we had on UFOs

with Grusch, Fravor and Graves.

The testimony you are about to give us.

Claims under oath were made

that if true are paradigm
shifting for all civilization.

What is being done to verify the assertion

that the US government has spaceships

of non-human intelligence in their possession?

We need to have a select committee on that because...

Over a year

after the congressional hearings

featuring Intelligence Officer Grusch,

Congress is still unable to get him

into a sensitive compartmented
information facility

referred to as a SCIF

where he can provide the classified details

of what he knows.

Where would you look?

Titles, programs, departments...

Every obstacle's being put up.

You know, they're trying to
block Grusch from getting

into the SCIF saying this,

he doesn't have the security credentials.

I cannot share classified
information in public settings.

Not only has Grusch been obstructed

from fully revealing the
classified details necessary

for Congress to verify his claims,

but his private medical records were leaked

to the media resulting in stories,

questioning his credibility and mental health.

Grusch is saying the government

leaked his personal medical
information to smear him,

and discredit his claims that he made against them.

David is not making
conclusions, he's providing data.

And this is where I think the
media has gotten it wrong, is

that he's just saying, look, I was tasked

to go collect this data

and I just provided the data
to the relevant authorities.

Now, the only reason, frankly,

that David is sitting at that table was

because the relevant authorities didn't like

what he was saying and went after him.

What I personally witnessed myself

and my wife, was very disturbing.

He filed an official report

of witness intimidation to the Inspector General

of the intelligence community,

which is an ongoing investigation.

It was very brutal, some of the tactics they used

to hurt me both professionally and personally,

to be quite frank, yeah.

Meanwhile, back in the Senate,

the UAP Disclosure Act of 2023 passed.

An unprecedented piece of
legislation that could prove

or disprove Grusch's claims.

For the government to obtain
any recovered UAP material

or biological remains that may have been provided

to private entities in the past

and thereby hidden from Congress
and the American people.

We are lacking oversight opportunities

and we are not fulfilling our responsibilities.

The bill's most
significant provision provided

for a presidential level panel

to look into all other federal agencies.

Presidentially appointed and Senate confirmed

to control the process of reviewing the records

and recommending to the president

what records should be released
immediately or postponed.

The bill passed in the Senate,

but was shot down in the House.

Key portions of an unprecedented measure

to disclose classified government
records relating to UAPs.

Those measures were stripped

from the annual defense spending bill.

It's beyond disappointing
that the House has refused

to work with us on all the important elements

of the UAP Disclosure Act
during the NDAA Conference.

But nevertheless.

Key to gutting the bill were Mike Rogers

of Alabama, the Chair of the
House Armed Services Committee,

and Mike Turner, the chair
of the House Intel Committee,

who represents Dayton, Ohio, home

of Wright Patterson Air Force Base, long rumored

to be one location where UAP material is kept.

If there's nothing to see here

why are Mike Rogers and Mike Turner in the House

blocking this bill that is,

in my opinion, the most important legislation

for transparency in American history?

The story is that they've held it from Congress,

from the administration.

I mean, it's pretty astonishing if true.

Every decade there's been individuals who've said

that the United States has such pieces

of, you know, unidentified flying objects

that are from outer space.

There's no evidence of this

and certainly, you know, it
would be quite a conspiracy

for this to be able to be maintained,

especially at this level,

Pull up his PAC donors, who are his biggest donors?

Lockheed, Raytheon, Boeing.

If there's nothing to see here,

why don't we just pass this and see what happens?

Most people won't touch it.

I mean, one, they're afraid to be embarrassed,

or two, they're afraid of what they find.

Those with firsthand knowledge,

who have, you know, an interest

in being forthcoming are deterred from doing so

because they're afraid of the consequences.

Despite the whistleblower protections

that exist in statutes and in policies

that those are just not really
nearly effective enough.

They feel that their livelihoods will be at risk.

In some cases, even worse.

There's some people who express fear

for their personal safety.

Thank you so much to all of our speakers.

We will start taking questions.

For those in the room, we have a microphone over here

that we would ask you to speak into.

Thank you very much.

This is directed to Mr. Nelson.
Thank you for being here.

Two quick questions.

One is, how can we make the determination

of what something isn't when we don't know what it is?

And B, after a careful review of the data,

if it's determined that some,

underline the word some 10
times, UFOs or UAP originate

from a non-human intelligence,

what's the plan to disclose that to the public?

And can you identify yourself please?

James Fox. Thank you.

Let me repeat what I said.

I think it's important that
you hear this word for word.

The NASA independent study
team did not find any evidence

that UAP have an extraterrestrial origin.

But we don't know what these UAP are,

but we're gonna try to find out.

Thank you very much.

And is there a plan in place if it is determined

that some of them originate
from a non-human intelligence

to tell the public?

Is there a plan or?

If we are what I said we intend to be,

which is transparent, you bet your boots,

we will say that.

Whatever we find, we're gonna tell you.

I just wonder if the people

in power have even have any kind of plan for that.

I kind of doubt they're very prepared for that.

I don't know.

What does the press release say

when the government or
governments decide to come forward

and say, yes, we have evidence that we're not alone.

That truth potentially
upends the established order

across the world.

Political, religious, economic.

And I think there is a disincentive.

If you don't really know what
the reaction is gonna be,

how is it gonna affect markets?

How is it gonna affect sovereign borders?

How is it going to affect
economies around the world?

How is it gonna affect the way people view God?

Are people ready for some kind of revelation

that deals with extraterrestrial life,

life that is interdimensional,
life that is otherworldly?

And so that kind of revelation
unearths people's beliefs,

their religious beliefs, their spiritual beliefs,

what they've been taught all of their lives.

And so if such a revelation were to present itself,

how does it get presented

and can it be done in a way
that people are accepting of it?

People are threatened by this thing.

It doesn't threaten me.

You know, I get the old fifties talk about

how this would upset the balance of our religions.

It doesn't upset me. I'm
a born again Christian.

I think, you know,

Genesis says God created the heavens and the earth.

And we made a list of well over a couple dozen issues

that would have to be addressed.

And some of them really got
into the nitty gritty, like,

well, if corporation A finds out

that corporation B had access

to the advanced materials from crash retrievals

and they didn't,

well, then they're gonna sue that corporation

and they're also gonna sue the government

because they didn't get access

and one of their competitors did.

So, you know, when we added up all the numbers,

it turned out that despite our
personal feelings about it,

as we entered this process,
we came to the conclusion

that disclosure was kind of unsustainable almost.

It's a bigger, more complex issue

than most people probably appreciate

when they just say, well,

why don't they just tell us what's going on?

Be more transparent.

Well, there's a lot of things have

to happen before you get to that point.

Today, we stand
at a pivotal moment in history.

The question before us is not just

about unidentified anomalous phenomena,

but about the very principles

of transparency, accountability,

and trust between the government
and the people it serves.

Some of these crash retrieval programs may be...

For whistleblowers and for the protection

of whistleblowers.

There remains an
ongoing official public effort

to investigate what is really known about UAP.

And to say, until I've seen evidence,

I'm just not gonna accept this.

I can't blame 'em.

I mean, that in fact is a scientific position.

If they got the clearances

and were exposed to some of
the evidence that you've seen,

would it be a different story?

It'd be a different story
about how they felt about it.

Yes, sure.

But then they couldn't tell their friends

or their wives or whatever,

so they would be in the position of people

that are on the other side.

And so if they tried to tell somebody,

they would get the same response to them as well,

prove it to me, show me some proof,

and they wouldn't be able to do it.

So that's what happens.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

A growing number of high level insiders,

elected officials, physicists,
intelligence officers

and military whistleblowers are telling us

that the evidence needed to
prove their claims is being held

by private corporate entities
contracted by the government

who for the time being remain immune

from congressional oversight.

So there's a degree of separation

between them and the government.

It's just like, you know, you contract somebody

to paint the street out here

and they're not a government entity,

I can't bring them in in front of a committee.

I can bring the government
entity that contracts with them,

but there's a great deal of separation there.

So that is by design, I feel like,

and that keeps it away from us.

Do you believe that a higher form

of non-human intelligence has visited this planet?

Non-human intelligence exists.

Non-human intelligence has
been interacting with humanity.

This interaction is not new and it's been ongoing.

And there are unelected people in the government

that are aware of that.

How confident are you that that is true?

There's zero doubt.

They have hardware and there's a craft

and there's occupants running these craft,

whatever they may be.

And it's a very super sensitive topic

because it's something that
probably a minute fraction,

like less than 1,000

to 100,000 of the United States military

and the government are the only ones that know.

If programs like that existed or still exist,

where even the president's top
advisors aren't aware of it,

let alone the people's representatives

that's a government within a government.

How does a democracy survive

if you could have something like that,

that is shielded from the people

that are by law authorized to know about that stuff?

Witnesses with nothing to gain

and everything to lose,

who claim firsthand knowledge are pleading

with elected officials for immunity

so they can testify under oath about what they know.

That's what happens.

The implications not just

for the United States,

but for all of humanity are so profound

that we owe it to ourselves

to continue to support our
committed elected representatives

during this unprecedented push for transparency.

Where would you look?

If the existence

of these secret programs is true,

it would prove to be the
greatest revelation in history.

If we were provided the clearances right here

and right now, could you walk me into a lab

and show me something?

I'm not saying anything.

Have you ever met any insider

that made the indication to you that we're not alone?

Yeah. Yes.

Did you believe them?

I believe them.

It is very funny to me

that every time a Russian
Bear comes across by Alaska

or the West Coast or whatever, we freak out.

We got fighter planes, everything up there.

We got an unknown that pops up

and everybody's just like, well, nothing is in here.

And I'm like, how can that
be? You know, how can that be?

I had a conversation about this

with the current secretary of
the Air Force, Frank Kendall,

who has been in the Pentagon

or in and out of the Pentagon for 40 years.

And I said, "Hey, you're the head of the Air Force.

What do you make of this?"

And basically he said,

"Listen, the phenomenon has been around

for as long as I've been alive.

"This is not new, these reports."

In his view, he said, you know,

"I have to worry about threats.
I have to worry about China.

I have to worry

about real world national
security vulnerabilities."

And his point was like, maybe
the scientific community needs

to be where you go to try and figure this out.

My name is Fred Claussen.

I'm a retired Air Force bird
colonel and fighter pilot.

In the spring of 1980, I had an event with a UAP.

I was scrambled while sitting
alert with a fully armed F-15

to identify an unknown object over the North Sea.

Once I found the object,

I observed a glowing football
shaped object about the size

of my F-15, less than a quarter of a mile away.

So I centered it up to my HUD, gun camera is running,

I'm taking pictures of it, trying to figure out

what I'm gonna do next.

Do I intercept it? Do I shoot at it?

I don't know.

Then all of a sudden, the object just disappeared,

went up into space in a blink of an eye and it was gone.

They had no wings, no type of propulsion

that I could identify, just a
glowing object with structure

that was there and then it was gone.

I returned, debriefed my commander

and was told not to speak about it again.

Gun camera film that I had was confiscated, never

to be seen again.

Why are you coming forward now?

I'm coming forward now because I'm 82 years old

and I feel the time is right to speak about this.

Even though my story is an old one,

it proves that the Air Force was intercepting,

unidentified flying objects in 1980s,

and mine was one of them.

If the answers are,

there are no unidentified aerial
phenomenon, then say that.

But that's not what the answers are.

The answers are, "We can't tell you."

Were there members who were just gobsmacked

by the assertions

from David Grusch?
- Yeah, they were.

They couldn't believe it, a lot of 'em.

They were a little shocked that all that came out.

I heard lots of stories in 2017 about

there being a very strong
evangelical Christian community

within the military, particularly in the Air Force

that didn't want to go here.

Put that stuff away.

We don't want to hear about the woo-woo.

Because again, it doesn't fit the established,

accepted human story.

What would you like to see the president

of the United States do?

I'd like the President of the United States not

to be embarrassed and for fear
that's gonna hurt his legacy

to say there's something going on out there.

Let's take a look at it.

It means that he's interested

in the scientific community
coming up with some answers

to questions that thousands
and thousands of people have,

and thousands and thousands

of people have experienced unusual things.

We send people to the
electric chair in this country

on the basis of eyewitness testimony every day.

It is a foundation of our legal system,

but that's not how this issue is treated.

What happened when you
looked at those photographs?

Come on, put me there.

Well, it's like- - I wanna be you for a minute.

It's like, wow.

You know, like, I can't think of any way

to explain this other than

this is not something in our inventory,

I'm pretty sure.

James, thank you so much, my friend.

Let's go to work.

Everybody have a great safe, beautiful, fun

and amazing weekend.

We're gonna go work and go have some fun

so see you later, bye.

All right, James, thank you so much, my friend.