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When the British army
liberated Bergen-Belsen
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I was amongst the dead.
I was a skeleton.
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So they dumped me on the truck
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to be taken care of.
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And in the last minute,
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one of the officers passed by,
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he pulled my leg that was
hanging out,
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took my pulse.
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And he said,
“That skeleton is still alive.”
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At the end of the war,
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the whole camp was
full of corpses.
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The Nazis, they didn't know
who was alive, who was dead.
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If they thought that you
were alive, they'd shoot you.
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My mother, she hid me with a corpse.
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As she covered me up she said,
"You're not going to move."
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"And you're going to
breathe into the floor," she said.
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My job was to get into the camps
as quickly as they were liberated.
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I had peered into hell.
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They unlocked the gates
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and then they took pictures of us.
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I have a pretty good picture
with my number showing.
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The survivors,
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they'd walked away
with only a tattoo on their arm,
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everything they had
owned was gone
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including their families.
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Where was the money to come from?
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To heal them,
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to house them,
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to allow them to
begin their new lives.
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The needs of the survivors were
as great as they were urgent.
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This was the declaration
that my grandfather
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delivered in the German Parliament,
the Bundestag.
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He declared that he was willing
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to enter into negotiations for reparations.
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Two states who go to war,
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the state that wins exacts reparations
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from the state that loses.
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Reparations have existed
since time immemorial.
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But the idea of compensation to
individuals was unprecedented.
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How is Germany going to pay for this?
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We had bombed the hell out of Germany.
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In 1952, the German population was
the same population that committed
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that what happened during the war.
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When I went to school
in the 1950s
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the Holocaust
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was practically never mentioned.
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We don’t want German money!
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For the Israelis,
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it was really a dramatic change
to begin a conversation
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with representatives of Germany.
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It was for them like
negotiating with the devil.
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Blood money.
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I always called it blood money.
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There was this bomb being
sent to the German Chancellor.
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And there were other bombs being
sent to the delegations in Wassenaar.
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There was a terrorist group which was
out to kill me and kill all the others
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who dares to sit with the Germans
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to talk about how much
they owe for my parents.
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I don't know what happened
to my parents and my sister.
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And every night
when I go to sleep, I say
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Muti, Papa.
Where are you? Where are you?
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Where is my family?
Why am I alone?
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I don't have anybody.
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I'm still a child.
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One Jewish negotiator said he
felt the souls
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of six million Jews
in the room with him that day.
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At Weimar, all citizens were ordered
to visit the concentration camp.
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They were forced to see
with their own eyes
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crimes whose existence
they had indignantly denied.
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They tell you now that they knew
nothing of what was going on,
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or could do anything
even if they knew.
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The Germans had for 12 years
been indoctrinated
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that the Jews were
a danger to their existence.
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They didn't really understand
why they had to pay compensation.
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One has to see that everybody,
even those who had been
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on the other side against the Nazis,
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they were not willing
to deal with the crimes.
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Everybody was rejecting the
notion of collective guilt.
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People were still living in ruins
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the country had to be rebuilt.
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They just thought it was a war
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that was bad for all sides.
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But the fact that the
Germans had inflicted
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so much pain on the Jewish people
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probably wasn’t on their minds.
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The Allies conducted a number of polls
amongst the Germans.
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Who did they consider to be
the main victims of the war?
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Jews always ranked at the bottom.
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They were so preoccupied
with building up their lives.
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Only 11% of the German population
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supported compensation talks.
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In the name of the German people
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unspeakable crimes have been committed
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calling for moral
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and material compensation.
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My grandfather was convinced
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early on in his term of office as Chancellor,
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that it was crucial to build a bridge
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with Israel and the Jewish community.
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The Federal Government is prepared
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together with representatives of world Jewry
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and the State of Israel
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which has taken in so many
homeless Jewish refugees
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to bring about a solution
of the material compensation problem.
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He said that, of course, this
compensation, this reparation
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is also, in a way,
accepting German guilt.
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Adenauer had a deep understanding
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that we had committed terrbile injustice.
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I think he knew from a moral
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and political understanding
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that he had to
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engage with
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the Jewish community.
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In 1949, West Germany became
a new sovereign nation,
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the Federal Republic of Germany,
with Konrad Adenauer as its Chancellor.
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East Germany was behind the Iron
Curtain, cut off from the West.
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As the first Chancellor, he had the task of
rebuilding West Germany as a democracy,
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regaining membership among
the civilized nations of the world,
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and restoring the good name of Germany.
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He was a devout Catholic
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and had been opposed to Nazism.
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His family had paid a severe
price for their opposition.
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In 1917, he was elected
the Mayor of Cologne
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Cologne was one of the centers
of Jewish life in Germany.
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He had Jewish friends.
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And this is something that
the Nazis didn't like at all.
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He despised the Nazis
right from the start
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and it was no secret.
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He was removed from office.
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These are the German newsreel pictures
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put out following
the attempt on the Fuhrer’s life.
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Conjecture runs high...
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My grandfather wasn't involved
in the plot on Hitler’s life,
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but he was arrested at five
o'clock in the morning,
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then taken to an internment center
in Cologne.
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He was able to escape
with the help of a friend.
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Soon after,
they came here to Rhöndorf
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to question his wife,
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to tell them
where he was hiding.
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She refused,
and she was arrested
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and taken to Gestapo headquarters.
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They also threatened to arrest
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her two daughters as well.
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So she betrayed my grandfather
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and gave up his hiding place.
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Of course my grandfather forgave her
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but she never recovered from this.
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She took sleeping pills
and cut her wrists.
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She was saved,
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but the poisoning she suffered
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couldn't be treated adequately.
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She died three years later in 1948.
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Of course this was a hard blow
for my grandfather.
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Knowing that people in Germany did not
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recognize the importance of this subject,
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I think he let his decisions be guided
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by his inner conviction that
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this is necessary,
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not just for his own moral responsibility
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but for the whole German people.
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Adenauer faced fierce opposition
to the idea of paying reparations,
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even within his own cabinet.
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The biggest threat to Adenauer's plans
was finance minister, Fritz Schäffer.
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Schäffer thought that maybe the
German Federal Republic is not capable
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of bearing that financial burden.
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I mean, I wouldn't call him an
anti-Semite, but he thought that
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if Israel needs money,
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Israel should address maybe
the United States or others for credit.
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And he had a very important
position in the German cabinet.
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He has the right to veto.
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So it was very important for
Adenauer to overcome that.
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The speech by Adenauer,
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it was received by the world
as a very brave speech.
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But not in Israel.
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We hereby proclaim the establishment
of the Jewish state in Palestine
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to be called the state of Israel.
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Like Adenauer, Ben-Gurion was building
a new nation out of the ashes.
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The two leaders actually
had a great deal in common.
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Both men were unique combinations
of moralists and realists.
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The lesson Ben-Gurion took from
the Holocaust was
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that we the Jews
need to protect themselves.
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No one saved the Jews.
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They can't wait for other
nations to protect them.
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And if the Jews want to save themselves,
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they need weapons.
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For weapons, you need money.
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And no one's going to give it to us.
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This evening, the invasion.
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Arab armies are pouring in.
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Their tanks have already
crossed the borders
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and the frontier settlements have
helped the first onslaught
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of the fighting forces
of the organized Arab armies.
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The Israel War of Independence
was the longest
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and the most dire
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in the history of the Jewish state.
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About 85% Gross National Product
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was devoted to finance this war.
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In the midst of the war,
Israel opened it's gates
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for a wave of
mass Jewish immigrations.
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About 700 thousand Jewish immigrants
came to Israel,
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absorbed by a population
of 600 thousand Jews.
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This figure was unprecedented
in the history of nations.
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Half of the immigrants came from
Arab Muslim worlds,
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and half of the immigrants
came from Europe.
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They were Holocaust survivors.
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In June 1950,
Israel had about 65 million dollars.
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At the end of 1951,
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the Israel treasury was empty.
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A collapse of the economy
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is virtually
the collapse of the state itself.
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Ben-Gurion, he knew that for
the survival of Israel,
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Israel must obtain these reparations.
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It was a very
difficult decision.
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He locked himself into a
psychological mode of not listening
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to the criticism because
he said I cannot judge
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or comment on the pain
of my brothers and sisters
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who went through the Holocaust.
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But now, I have to
do whatever I can
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to build a nation
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to move forward.
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Ever since the full and horrific extent
of the Holocaust was discovered,
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a kind of spontaneous popular boycott
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was imposed in Israel on Germany.
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This boycott was the expression of
the sense of revulsion,
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feelings of hatred,
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the desire for revenge
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against Germany.
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There was a complete rejection of
everything German.
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Not only the Nazis.
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German art,
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German music,
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the German language.
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Even German products.
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That is an Israeli passport.
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That can be used for every country.
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And here:
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Except Germany
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When the State was founded,
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Ben Gurion became the Prime Minister,
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and Moshe Sharett became the
Minister of Foreign Affairs.
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They were partners
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in the decision
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to obtain reparations from West Germany.
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The debate in the Knesset
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lasted three straight days.
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There were not many instances
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in the history of the State of Israel
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where there were debates
as prolonged and difficult
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as those on the topic of reparations.
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I’m reading an excerpt
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of Sharett’s speech at the Knesset
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“Jews were killed
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but the German people
continues to enjoy the spoils
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of the slaughter and pillage
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perpetrated by their previous leaders.
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Of this we can say,
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'Hast thou killed and also taken possession?'
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A member of David Ben-Gurion's party
during the debate rose and said,
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"You're a traitor to the Jewish people."
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"Even if you sign
the agreement with the Germans,"
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"they'll never pay, they're
going to make fools of you."
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The emotion was very high
in the Knesset,
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but it was nothing compared to
the atmosphere outside in the streets.
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Prior to the vote, Begin speaks at a
mass demonstration in Zion Square.
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“The vote has already been taken
in Treblinka, in Auschwitz.
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There the Jews voted
under the torture of death.
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The reparations money will lead to
cleansing the guilt of the German murderers.”
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WE WILL REMEMBER TREBLINKA
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REMEMBER AUSCHWITZ
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The prominent leader that
execute this demonstration
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was Menachim Begin,
an Holocaust survivor.
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OUR HONOR SHALL NOT
BE SOLD FOR MONEY
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When Menachim Begin ended his speech,
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stones were thrown against
the police officers
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and some members
of the Knesset were injured.
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This was actually the first time,
and the last time in Israel history,
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that the Knesset was stormed.
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The motion to approve negotiations
with the German people passed,
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but only by a single vote.
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The foreign office decided
on a one billion dollar claim.
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The claim was based on the costs for
absorbing 500,000 broken survivors.
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But Adenauer had offered
to negotiate with Israel
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and a representative of World Jewry.
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There was just one small detail.
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No such organization existed.
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The Jewish people were fragmented.
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They were divided.
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They had a multiplicity of organizations.
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How do you bring them together
to speak
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in one voice?
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If the leaders of the democratic peoples
of the last decade
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would have had just a
little bit more common sense,
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just a little bit more
of moral courage,
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this second World War
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would have been easily avoidable.
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Nahum Goldmann was
the only leader at the time
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who had the gravitas,
who had the influence
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to corral politically
and religiously diverse
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Jewish leaders from around the world.
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Goldmann was stripped of
his German citizenship
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by the Nuremberg Laws of 1935.
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And he was forced to leave
Germany that very same year.
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He became deeply involved
in Jewish affairs.
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He was president of the
Agency for Palestine,
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basically the governing body of the
pre-state Jewish community in Israel.
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And he was a founder and president
of the World Jewish Congress.
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One month after Adenauer’s speech,
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Nahum Goldmann sent out
invitations in the name
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of the Jewish Agency to 23 organizations.
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And it was arranged very quickly.
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They all got together in the
Waldorf Astoria in New York.
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He did bring together a fairly
wide range of organizations.
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The first big question was
who represents the victims?
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There were survivors in Israel, but
there were survivors all over the world.
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In the early 1950s, there were still
tens of thousands of Holocaust survivors
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who were living in the DP camps.
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They didn't have bank accounts, they
didn't have homes to go back to.
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They didn't inherit anything from
their parents who had been murdered.
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And they were deprived of an education.
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Israel's representative to the
United Nations, Abban Eban,
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came to the meeting in New York.
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His main argument was that
Israel should represent
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all Holocaust survivors worldwide.
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The other delegates refused
to accept his position.
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They rejected the idea that Israel
should monopolize,
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monopolize was the word they used,
monopolize the claims.
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That's not going to fly.
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The diaspora organizations also
had ongoing needs
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in looking after Holocaust survivors.
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And there was the whole question
of rehabilitating
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the devastated Jewish communities in Europe.
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On the second day of the meeting,
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a vote was taken
to create the organization.
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One group that was vehemently
opposed was Agudath Israel.
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The representative of Orthodox Jewry.
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The spokesman for Agudath Israel said
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the Jewish world would
commit moral suicide
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if the offer of Adenauer
was not immediately rejected.
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The vote was 22 to one, in favor.
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And thus, the Conference on Jewish
Material Claims Against Germany,
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the Claims Conference, was formed.
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They decided to insert
into already unwieldy name
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the word 'Material'
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because they wanted
the world to understand
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this was about material reparations.
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But the issues of morality,
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of justice,
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those would not be solved
or closed by a negotiation.
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The nascent Claims Conference
had to figure out on what legal basis
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they would present claims.
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There was no precedent for
what they were trying to achieve
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in international law.
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Fortunately, the Claims Conference had
pulled in a handful of brilliant lawyers.
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We ask this court to affirm by
international penal action,
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man's right to live
in peace and dignity,
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regardless of his race or creed.
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When I was still a student at the
Harvard law school,
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the first year class taught me
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that if you do harm to someone,
a wrongful act,
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you have an obligation
to try to make amends.
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Fundamental principle of law.
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Had nothing to do with Nazis,
nothing to do with Germany.
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It had to do with law and morality.
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He had been drafted into the
army right out of law school
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and had never tried a case.
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Nevertheless, he was tapped
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to be the lead prosecutor
in the Nuremberg Trials
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of the SS mobile killing squads
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who had murdered some
two million men, women and children.
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The case we present is a
plea of humanity to law.
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Finding the theory
was the first obstacle.
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How do you frame it?
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And what form of law,
under which headings?
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We decided very early on,
we're not going to ask for anything
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for loss of life.
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It was too difficult for us to say
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Grandpa was worth more than Grandma.
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Or you're worth more than
somebody else who was killed.
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The most important basis for
individual survivor claims against Germany
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was personal suffering.
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What happened to that
particular Holocaust survivor?
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What they endured.
Where were they?
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Were they in camps?
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Were they in ghettos
for what period of time?
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And there was a second claim, which
was based on the value of the property
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that had been plundered by the Nazis
and for which there had been no claims
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because there were no surviving owners.
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The Holocaust was not only a
war against the Jewish people.
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It was the biggest asset
stripping operation in history.
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Whole families were
completely annihilated.
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And suddenly there was property, but
there were no appropriators anymore.
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Who is going to claim that property?
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It cannot happen that property will
become legal property
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in the land where
that crimes were committed.
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You have murdered,
and now you are going to appropriate
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the means of the murdered?
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That cannot happen.
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That's morally unacceptable,
in any culture of the world.
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The idea was that the German
compensation would assist
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survivors to rebuild their lives.
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But this did not constitute in itself
an acknowledgement
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of the fact that
Jews forgave the Germans,
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because
Jews didn't forgive the Germans.
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After liberation,
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we were going back to
our hometown, Tomasov Maszewski,
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where my grandparents,
great-grandparents,
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200 years of people were
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born there and lived there.
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My mother said, "Somebody
must've come back."
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My mother lost 150 people.
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She had nine brothers and sisters.
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They all had children.
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Three years of waiting.
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Not one person.
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Every one of them was murdered.
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Why did that make you
not want to accept reparations?
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Because I didn't want anybody to
think it's a payment
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for the murder
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of all the people.
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You can't pay for it.
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And I was just afraid that somebody
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would think that we're
accepting the payments
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for the death of our family.
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Before negotiations could begin,
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the Claims Conference
and the Israeli government
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had to be absolutely sure
that Adenauer was sincere,
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that he would agree
to significant reparations,
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and that Germany would actually pay.
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Goldmann's meeting without Adenauer
in London would be the first time
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a high ranking Jewish person
had met with a senior German official
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since the end of the war.
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It was a little bit taken
out of a John Le Carré movie.
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Nahum Goldmann came through
the delivery's entrance.
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Adenauer was already in the hotel.
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So it was all very, very secret
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because it still was unbelievable
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to have negotiation talks
back in that time.
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Nahum Goldmann said
a very unusual thing
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to the Chancellor of an upcoming nation.
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He said, "Before you even
answer, give me 15 minutes."
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"And don't interrupt me."
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Goldmann laid out the volcanic controversy
about negotiations with Germany.
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He said,
"If there's to be any haggling,"
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"it would be better
not to begin the talks at all."
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He also made very clear that
without any acknowledgement
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of the moral dimension,
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there would never be negotiation talks.
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And by moral dimension,
he means that
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Adenauer and the whole government
has to again accept
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unbelievable crimes
have been committed
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in the responsibility of Germany.
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And that this is not only to get the
readmission to the family of nations.
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The fear Nahum Goldmann had that
the whole German government
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would regard this to be good business.
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We're getting something for
giving that reparations.
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Goldmann asked for one billion
as the basis of negotiations.
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Goldmann wrote in his diary that
Adenauer said this to him
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at the conclusion of their meeting,
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"Those who know me
know that I am a man of few words,
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and I detest high flown talk.
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But I must tell you that
while you were speaking,
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I felt the wings of world history
beating in this room."
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In a meeting of the
Israeli Foreign Ministry,
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there was discussion
where to have to negotiations.
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Well, first of all, it was clear
it cannot happen in Germany.
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Germany was off limits for Jews.
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The location was secret because
they were afraid that there
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might be violent attacks.
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So in the end, they decided
to go to a neutral country.
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It was very hush hush.
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I was told get on a boat,
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and you proceed to the meeting place,
wherever it is.
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I didn't know where it was.
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There was this bomb being sent
to Adenauer
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and that guy who opened
the package actually died.
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We landed in Holland, checked
into the immigration there.
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They looked at my papers and
they said, "Wait a moment."
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And then a man came out and a
big car and he said, "Get in."
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"I'll take you to where you're going."
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I said, "Hey, can you tell
me where you're taking me?"
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He said, "You'll see."
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The Kasteel Oud Wassenaar,
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which had been given
by the Dutch government
486
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,240
for the purpose of this meeting.
487
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,920
Well, the three parties that
met in Wessenaar,
488
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,800
the Federal Republic of Germany,
or West Germany,
489
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,920
the State of Israel,
490
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,080
and the Claims Conference.
491
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,080
And none of those organizations
even existed before the war.
492
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,840
And it was no guarantee that
the negotiations would reach
493
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,680
a successful conclusion.
494
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,240
The Claims Conference set up a
delegation made up of Ben Ferencz,
495
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,360
Jacob Robinson, and Nehemiah Robinson,
who were both of them lawyers.
496
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,160
And it was headed by Moses Leavitt.
497
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,680
Israel sent its own delegation.
498
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,840
Israel had the benefit of a foreign
ministry with professional diplomats.
499
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,480
The Claims Conference didn't have that,
500
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,600
but they were fortunate
by having personalities
501
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,000
who had been dealing with
the restoration of Jewish property rights
502
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,520
under the auspices of the American army.
503
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,840
Ben Ferencz was one of them.
504
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:26,840
Saul Kagan was another.
505
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,640
Goldmann would stay in the
wings until he was needed.
506
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,680
The idea was, he was the most
important person,
507
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,600
and so he should be
kept back as ammunition.
508
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,960
The Israeli foreign ministry
were preparing nearly everything.
509
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:48,920
How to enter the room.
510
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,800
To enter five minutes before
the German delegation appears
511
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,520
in order not to meet them beforehand.
512
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,800
Everybody has seen
all those movies, yeah?
513
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,720
If somebody takes a cigarette,
514
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,800
the other one wants to be polite
515
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,040
and stretches his hand out
with a lighter, automatically.
516
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,080
They were told,
"Don't take lighters with you."
517
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:21,560
In order not, well, to establish a
situation where you might be polite.
518
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,440
You are presenting a collective.
519
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,880
You're not presenting yourself.
520
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:40,480
Every thing was choreographed
not to come close to the Germans.
521
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,680
The next question was,
which language should we use?
522
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,080
This was also a symbolic question.
523
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:07,880
Is it possible to use the language of the
perpetrators to speak about this issue?
524
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,200
Unimaginable.
525
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,200
Good afternoon, gentlemen
526
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,640
On the 27th of September, 1951
527
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,280
The Federal Chancellor made
the following statement
528
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,040
before the Bundestag.
529
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,240
“Unspeakable crimes were committed
in the name of the German people.
530
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:48,600
This imposes upon us
the obligation
531
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,240
to make moral and material amends
532
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,120
both as regards to
individual damage
533
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,080
which Jews have suffered
534
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,800
and as regard to Jewish property
for which there are
535
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,080
no longer individual claimants.
536
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,280
It further hopes that
the efforts made by Germany
537
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,040
to remedy the damage
done to the Jewish people
538
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,360
will be appreciated
539
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,800
as given proof to our
earnest and sincere desire
540
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:18,720
to render
541
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,200
“Wiedergutmachung”
.
542
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,600
In the morning, the Germans negotiated
with the Israeli delegation.
543
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,800
In the afternoon they negotiated
with the delegation on behalf
544
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,360
of the Claims Conference.
545
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,200
In the evening, the Claims Conference
and the Israeli delegations met
546
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,720
to coordinate their strategy.
547
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,920
Obstacle number one.
548
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,440
How serious are the Germans?
549
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:01,000
We said, "Okay."
550
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,800
"What are you offering?"
551
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,360
Because if they're ready to pay two
dollars a person, this discussion is over.
552
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:17,640
For example, many of those Jews
had stocks and bonds,
553
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,040
and these were all
confiscated by the Nazis.
554
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,480
And they were very valuable.
555
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,600
And they said, "There's millions
of dollars worth of stocks there.”
556
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,600
“And the East Germans,
they're not paying anything.”
557
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,120
“So why should we do anything?"
558
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,720
Whatever it was that
we wanted to put it in,
559
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,800
they would might say,
560
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,240
"Das übersteigt unsere Zahlungsfähigkeit,"
561
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:07,440
which means,
"That exceeds our capacity to pay."
562
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,360
When the Germans said
they want an accounting
563
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,800
of how the Claims Conference
is going to spend the money,
564
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,080
to give them receipts and so on.
565
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,840
Moses Leavitt answered them
with great force and bitterness.
566
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:24,960
“This is none of your damn business.”
567
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,200
“You created this mess.”
568
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,400
“We are fixing it.”
569
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,240
“We're trying to rebuild
the lives of the survivors.”
570
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,920
“Don't expect us to give you accounts.”
571
00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:43,200
As head of the relief organization,
572
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,880
the American Jewish
Joint Distribution Committee,
573
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,440
Leavitt was intimately
familiar with the needs of survivors.
574
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:56,040
Only three years earlier, he had
toured DP camps in Germany
575
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,400
and filmed survivors with his own camera.
576
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,160
During the negotiations
he wrote in his diary.
577
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,880
“Sick and exhausted, stayed in bed
uninterested in the whole world”
578
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,640
“and wanted to chuck
the whole thing and go home.”
579
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,120
The German negotiators in Wassenaar
were taking their cues from Bonn.
580
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,840
And in particular from
Finance Minister Schäffer.
581
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,560
Schäffer's attitude toward
Wassenaar was increasingly negative.
582
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,680
One has to know that in the same time
of the compensation talks,
583
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,240
we had the so-called
London Debt Negotiations.
584
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:49,440
The London Debt Conference continues
with the United States,
585
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,680
the Soviet Union, and England
meeting with the new German government
586
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,120
to demand payment
for wartime destruction.
587
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,000
We were still talking about
the debts of the German Reich,
588
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,000
which was also a big number.
589
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,320
Schäffer was also getting reports
590
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,840
from the head of the German delegation in London,
Hermann Josef Abs.
591
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,560
Abs was a high-level
financial advisor to Adenauer.
592
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,640
He was also a Nazi collaborator.
593
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,960
During the war, he was an
executive at Deutsche Bank,
594
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,800
whose job it was to dispossess Jewish
owned companies of their assets.
595
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,120
The U.S. Army had recommended
indicting him for war crimes,
596
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,040
but he was never tried.
597
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,720
Dealing with Abs was
a very difficult issue.
598
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,280
It was clear to everyone in the
Claims Conference
599
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,960
and in the Israeli delegation
600
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,600
that they had no choice but
to deal with the Germans as they were,
601
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,920
including those that had been Nazis.
602
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,880
The Germans would have liked to put the
whole issue to London, which would have
603
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,800
meant that the Jewish claims might have
been part of the larger issue
604
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,760
of German debts resulting from
the second World War.
605
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,640
The German official said,
606
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,680
“First we have to come
to a settlement with the rest of the world,”
607
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,600
“and then we can see
what we can do for Israel.”
608
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:12,360
And Israel said, "No.”
609
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:14,280
“It has to be the reverse.”
610
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:19,560
“You have to acknowledge your debt
to us because it is a moral debt.”
611
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,880
“And only then can you settle
with the rest of the world."
612
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:32,080
About three weeks in the
atmosphere between
613
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,680
the Jews and the Germans
had thawed considerably.
614
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,720
So Konrad Adenauer picked Franz Böhm to
be the chief negotiator in Wassenaar.
615
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,360
Franz Böhm was a very eminent
opposition figure in the time
616
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,600
of the national socialists.
617
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,680
He was removed from his chair being
a university professor in Freiburg.
618
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,400
His deputy was Otto KĂĽster,
who had been a judge.
619
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,560
He was removed from the bench by
the Nazis because he was opposed
620
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,040
to the new national socialists laws.
621
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,400
These delegates were
completely astonished.
622
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:12,200
Well, I thought we would meet all
those persons who represented "the past".
623
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,280
In quotation marks.
624
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,240
I think for the German delegation, this
was also not such an easy situation.
625
00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:23,400
It was also the first encounter
with officials from world Jewry.
626
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,640
Of course there had been
this collective shame.
627
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,400
And I think this shame was
also in the room.
628
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,880
They were making significant progress.
629
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,160
Then, suddenly,
630
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,160
the German delegation informed
Israel and the Claims Conference,
631
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,160
the negotiations in Wassenaar
could not continue
632
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,040
until the
London Debt Conference was finished.
633
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,600
This was exactly what
those in the Jewish world
634
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,600
who had opposed negotiations
635
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,680
had feared all along.
636
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,640
The Jews would agree to negotiate.
637
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,080
And then the Germans would
renege on their promises.
638
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,720
The Jews would be made to look like
fools in the eyes of the world.
639
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,720
And worse yet,
even in their own eyes.
640
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:19,440
Böhm and Küster were disgusted by this.
641
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,640
They were shocked that the
government didn't want to
642
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,040
move forward with talks
on Jewish claims.
643
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,920
Böhm and Küster resigned.
644
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,360
They said our government is not serious.
645
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,200
So that was really a
treasonous act on their part.
646
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:45,280
Because the Israeli government was
so desperately in need of money,
647
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:48,120
Abs was trying to get a cheap deal.
648
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,040
So he brought forward an offer
to the Israeli government,
649
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:58,800
it consisted of 100 million, which
was far away from the expectations.
650
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,320
The number which had been on the
table so far was one billion.
651
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:44,360
Goldmann came here
to this house
652
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,280
to overcome this impasse
653
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,880
and to return to the negotiating table.
654
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,120
Goldmann explained to Adenauer that you
couldn't go on this way,
655
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,600
there couldn't be
what he called horse trading.
656
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,760
It was humiliating for both sides.
657
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,280
It was unreasonable.
658
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,400
Adenauer was under pressure
to achieve some deals.
659
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,160
That's the dynamics of a negotiation.
660
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:19,400
At a certain point, you cannot step back
without producing a lot of damage
661
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,560
and the damage would have been
huge at that time.
662
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:28,960
Without a deal with Israel,
Germany would have not been able to
663
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,280
succeed in the international realm.
664
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:37,040
My grandfather believed in God and ethics.
665
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,160
Morals were at the basis of his political life.
666
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:43,720
But at the same time,
667
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,680
he was very pragmatical and
he was also tactical.
668
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:52,320
I think the ethical and moral obligation
669
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,720
to atone these terrible crimes
committed by the German people
670
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,320
were the driving force and
the crucial motivation.
671
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:03,960
Even if there had been
no benefit for Germany,
672
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:09,080
he would have done it anyway.
673
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:19,720
Adenauer overruled his own government
officials and said that there was
674
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:23,320
not going to be any link between
negotiations on the Jewish claims
675
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,600
and negotiations on German debts.
676
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,640
And so the delegation went
back to the negotiating table.
677
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,520
There were big compromises on the part
of both Israel and the Claims Conference.
678
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,760
Israel demanded one billion dollars.
679
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,800
It received 750 million dollars
in installments.
680
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,440
The Germans said they
didn't have the money.
681
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,520
And so instead of paying Israel in cash,
682
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,080
Israel would receive commodities and oil.
683
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,720
The Claims Conference
had originally demanded
684
00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:07,640
a lump sum of 500 million dollars.
685
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,800
Instead of receiving 500 million,
they received 107 million dollars.
686
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,960
Nahum Goldmann later explained that the
reason why it was that it accepted that
687
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,600
Israel was in desperate need of the money.
688
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,960
So they prioritized Israel over
the Claims Conference claim.
689
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:36,600
The Claims Conference was negotiating
partly for a global payment
690
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,880
that would go to help the Jewish people,
691
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,600
but an even higher priority
692
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,960
was to help Holocaust survivors individually
693
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,080
to receive pensions
directly from Germany
694
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:50,200
that would help them live out
the rest of their lives in dignity.
695
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,800
But there were many people who were
696
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,360
not eligible
under the original program.
697
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:01,400
People who lived behind the Iron Curtain,
people who had been in hiding
698
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,720
or in other places that they weren't eligible.
699
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,200
The view of the organization
ultimately was
700
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,480
let's do what we can now
701
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,760
and let's keep fighting for justice.
702
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,200
The night before the signing,
703
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,800
Moshe Sharett arrived
in Luxembourg from Israel
704
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,920
and Konrad Adenauer arrived from Bonn.
705
00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:36,000
The men were staying in different hotels
706
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,840
and couriers exchanged the speeches
707
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,680
that they had prepared for the next day.
708
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,680
This is from Sharett's speech.
709
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,960
Our memory is still haunted
by the catastrophe
710
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,680
inflicted on the Jewish people
711
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:52,960
by the German Nazi regime,
712
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,920
in which two out of every three
European Jews were put to death.
713
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,720
Forgiveness is not possible.
714
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,680
Adenauer read through Sharett’s speech.
715
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,840
I think he totally understood it.
716
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,240
It's a very difficult situation.
717
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,400
Survivors of such
cruelty or atrocities
718
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,680
find it difficult to forgive,
impossible to forgive.
719
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,800
And you simply have to accept this.
720
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,400
But this was not in line with his own
721
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:37,920
personal feelings.
722
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:42,360
He thought that honest repentance
723
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:43,600
and atonement
724
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,000
should be recognized as such.
725
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,120
The idea that
no forgiveness is possible,
726
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,880
for a Roman Catholic
that's a virtual impossibilty.
727
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,160
Catholics believe that
people are sinful
728
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,080
but that sins can be repaired.
729
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:11,920
Well, it was clear
from midnight on,
730
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:16,360
Adenauer didn't accept
the half sentence
731
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,840
about no forgiveness possible.
732
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,000
As a person, he may accept it.
733
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,760
But not as a Chancellor of Germany.
734
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,360
And then they came to the
conclusion, no speeches at all.
735
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:53,000
During the choreography of
signing the agreement,
736
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,520
both delegations
arrived from different doors.
737
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:57,880
They entered the room.
738
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:00,680
Names were whispered
739
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,480
Mister X, Mister Y,
and so on and so forth.
740
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,760
And then silence
prevailed in the room,
741
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,240
for about 12 and a half minutes.
742
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:25,600
Adenauer sat in front of the
Israeli Foreign Minister, Moshe Sharett,
743
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:31,320
and both of them
signed the accord
744
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,680
between Israel and Germany.
745
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,400
I'm sitting next to Nahum Goldmann and
right opposite me is Chancellor Adenauer.
746
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,160
Time comes to sign the contract
for the Claims Conference.
747
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:48,920
That had two parts to it.
748
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,680
Goldmann whipped out his pen,
and he tried it.
749
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:53,800
That didn't work.
750
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,920
But I gave a pen, which my wife had
given me when I graduated from Harvard
751
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,920
and I carried that with me
throughout the war.
752
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,440
Good luck charm.
753
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:03,240
I give it to Goldmann.
754
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,760
And the treating was
in fact signed with my pen.
755
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,480
After the signing of the treaty,
756
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,240
Adenauer went to a chapel
757
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,400
and he prayed there.
758
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:28,400
He wrote in his memoirs
that the Luxembourg Agreements
759
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,200
was one of the most important
760
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,560
achievements of his life.
761
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,440
They were extremely important to him.
762
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,320
After the agreements were signed,
763
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,240
Nahum Goldmann wrote
a letter to Konrad Adenauer.
764
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,520
Even more important than
the financial significance
765
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:03,880
of the Luxembourg Agreement
766
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,560
is its moral significance.
767
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,360
It established a precedent.
768
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,200
According to the agreement,
West Germany promised to pay
769
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,480
Israel in goods and services.
770
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:39,400
The goods consisted of raw materials,
especially petroleum,
771
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,480
agricultural produce,
industrial machinery,
772
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,880
ships for the Israeli Navy,
and so on.
773
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:55,120
This agreement, first of all,
upgraded Israel's standard of living.
774
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,800
It enabled construction of
housing and lodging
775
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,760
for the newcomers
776
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,720
with economic growth around
10 or 11 percent per annum.
777
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,080
It was also a sea change.
778
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,040
It broke many taboos.
779
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,000
In those days,
780
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,200
the country was almost
on the verge of civil war.
781
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:23,640
What is amazing is that once
782
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:28,520
the agreement between
Israel government and Germany
783
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,240
was signed
784
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:33,280
and the reparations money
785
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,360
started flowing into Israel
786
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,000
everybody was happy with it.
787
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,160
The opposition stopped fighting it.
788
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:48,880
And the German reparations
rescued the Jewish state.
789
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,960
Ironically as it sounds.
790
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,040
There is no question that the
payments to the state of Israel
791
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:00,640
were an unqualified success.
792
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,360
As for the individual payments
to survivors,
793
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:08,040
it's more complicated.
794
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:14,240
I moved to Israel with the
organization Youth Aliyah in 1948.
795
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,200
I was 18 years old.
796
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,440
My mother decided to go to Germany
797
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,480
in order to claim the reparations due to her.
798
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,280
I think she said,
"This is what we’re doing.” So I did it.
799
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,800
When we arrived in Germany and got off the plane,
800
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,440
and I heard Germans shouting,
801
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,680
"Attention! Attention!”
802
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,520
with all the German that I heard,
803
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,480
it brought back all these terrible memories
804
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,120
and I was terrified.
805
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,640
We took a tram.
806
00:56:57,720 --> 00:56:59,840
My mother got off at the stop
807
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,320
but I wasn't able to get off in time.
808
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,640
I felt such panic.
809
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:14,760
Afterwards, for about ten days,
I didn't get out of bed.
810
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,360
I remember my mother going
from one lawyer to another,
811
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,640
from one office to the next.
812
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,160
My mother succeeded in getting reparations.
813
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,800
First of all,
there is certainly
814
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,160
no compensation in the world
815
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,760
that could bring back my childhood to me,
816
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,920
fill the deep pit
817
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,840
inside my soul,
818
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,680
bring back my father,
819
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,960
or give me back a normal life.
820
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:47,520
No sum of money.
821
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,560
I tried to take my life.
822
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:52,800
I tried to committ suicide twice.
823
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:55,320
However,
824
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,920
as a result of the reparations,
825
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,160
I was able to develop myself.
826
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,000
I was able to attend university.
827
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,800
I was able to go to psychological counseling
828
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,960
which helped me work on my soul.
829
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,800
Blood money.
I always called it blood money.
830
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,160
But I took it because people say,
"You're stupid.”
831
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,920
“You’re stupid.
You have such stupid ideas.”
832
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,120
“Take it, take it because
they owe it to you."
833
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,200
It was very difficult
to accept reparations.
834
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:48,840
Personally, I felt that for
murdering my whole family,
835
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,400
that was a very small price to pay
836
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,280
and that we should take the money.
837
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,840
When I first heard about reparations,
838
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,600
I was living in Brooklyn, New York
839
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,120
with a host family
and yes, with my sister.
840
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:13,600
My mother's sister, Roszi, was the one
who really, really needed the money.
841
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,440
She was genuinely ill.
842
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:24,000
My whole life in Auschwitz was guided
by the fact that I was with Roszi.
843
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,240
I felt that I belonged to someone
who was strong
844
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,360
and will take care of me
as a mother would.
845
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,200
Roszi applied.
846
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:38,240
She said that she had
the tattoo on her arm
847
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,880
and that her family was destroyed.
848
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,680
And then she also told them
the basic facts
849
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:48,120
that her health was
very badly affected.
850
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,960
But she would say nothing
about her mental state.
851
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:58,200
She would not open her soul
to the German doctor.
852
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:06,080
The doctor told her that the physical
conditions she could have acquired
853
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,760
after being liberated from Auschwitz.
854
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,840
Restitution was denied.
855
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,800
I felt a lot like Roszi,
that I don't want your money.
856
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,960
But I did take it because
I was a young girl.
857
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,760
I was able to go to school
because I had that money.
858
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:32,120
We needed basic things,
you know, clothes, shoes.
859
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,360
So this was the only money
that we really had to live on.
860
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,760
Many of the survivors, they all felt that
they didn't get enough and they were right.
861
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,800
But the amounts totalling
were quite a bit.
862
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,640
There were from the beginning,
different perceptions
863
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,160
from the German side
and the Jewish side
864
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:01,120
about what lies
behind these agreements.
865
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:06,200
From the German side, this was what
they called "Wiedergutmachung."
866
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:07,560
To make whole.
867
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,600
We don't use that term because we
don't think it's possible
868
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,240
to make whole a Holocaust survivor
869
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,160
who has been
through the unimaginable.
870
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,120
We call it compensation,
recognition, an acknowledgement.
871
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,040
Important, but this doesn't make whole.
872
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,120
We don't have the right to forgive.
873
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,680
Germany is a very important
ally of Israel today
874
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,640
and a very close friend.
875
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,000
But it does not
erase the past in any way.
876
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,560
Wiedergutmachung is not possible.
877
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,760
You cannot make good.
878
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,800
But we continue to try
879
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,360
wherever we can
880
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,880
to at least alleviate
881
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,280
the consequences of injustice.
882
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,360
This is a broad concensus
883
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,560
but it was different in the early 1950s.
884
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,960
The Germans mistakenly thought
that the Luxembourg Agreements
885
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,920
were the beginning and the end of
all negotiations on reparations.
886
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:25,240
And in fact, this was just the first round
of many, many more rounds of negotiations.
887
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,480
When the program first started,
those programs provided
888
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,440
a quite limited subset of survivors.
889
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:39,080
And what the job of the
Claims Conference has been ever since
890
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:42,360
is to broaden and expand the eligibility.
891
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:49,240
I have been the chief negotiator since 2006.
892
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:55,120
And in the 12 years I had this role,
893
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:59,280
we always learn new facts,
894
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:05,920
new people that never
received any compensation.
895
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:13,240
Ultimately, these negotiations are
not over just money
896
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,200
or even individuals.
897
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,760
They're negotiations over history itself.
898
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,920
What happened and how Germany
899
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:24,600
and we, as a society,
900
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,040
understand that history
901
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,120
and acknowledge that history.
902
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:37,320
This was a reckoning.
903
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:44,320
The first reparations ever paid by a
state to individuals the state had harmed.
904
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,880
An honest confrontation with your past
905
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,640
is the most important way
906
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,280
in which you can
build a different future.
907
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:09,480
We visited an older lady
who survived Auschwitz as a child.
908
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:14,080
At one point the lady said to me
she was very happy and grateful
909
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,800
for all the support and assistance she was getting,
910
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:21,520
but she also said what is even
more important was that
911
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:23,720
here in Germany
912
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:28,440
current generations and
future generations do not forget
913
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,680
what Germany did to the Jewish people.
914
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,080
I’ve always said in the talks that
915
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,440
I don’t think the new generations
916
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,720
have collective guilt
917
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,160
because, to me,
918
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:49,240
guilt is something
very individual and personal.
919
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,400
But I think what we need to pass on
920
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:58,160
to the next generation is simply
921
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:02,400
the collective responsibility we have
for our own history.
922
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,840
People ask me, "When will this stop?"
923
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,920
It's our obligation to make
sure that we never stop.
924
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,760
So that we continue to provide dignity
925
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,600
we continue to provide needed assistance.
926
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,080
The compensation is not just dollars.
927
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,360
It's a statement that
they have not been forgotten.
928
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,280
I hope Luxembourg
was a stepping stone
929
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,200
toward a more humane
and peaceful world.
930
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:50,840
It illustrated the
determination of human beings
931
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:54,080
to survive and to carry on.
932
01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:59,760
My mother was a concert pianist.
933
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:01,160
I grew up with music.
934
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:11,880
Dancing helped me get back my sanity.
935
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,960
When I dance,
I forget everything.
936
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,720
I see only beauty
and I hear only beauty.
72465