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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:17,280 When the British army liberated Bergen-Belsen 4 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,760 I was amongst the dead. I was a skeleton. 5 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,640 So they dumped me on the truck 6 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,680 to be taken care of. 7 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,720 And in the last minute, 8 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,840 one of the officers passed by, 9 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,480 he pulled my leg that was hanging out, 10 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,160 took my pulse. 11 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,800 And he said, “That skeleton is still alive.” 12 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,080 At the end of the war, 13 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,280 the whole camp was full of corpses. 14 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,160 The Nazis, they didn't know who was alive, who was dead. 15 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:08,960 If they thought that you were alive, they'd shoot you. 16 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,680 My mother, she hid me with a corpse. 17 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,880 As she covered me up she said, "You're not going to move." 18 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,200 "And you're going to breathe into the floor," she said. 19 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,800 My job was to get into the camps as quickly as they were liberated. 20 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,160 I had peered into hell. 21 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,520 They unlocked the gates 22 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,240 and then they took pictures of us. 23 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:48,920 I have a pretty good picture with my number showing. 24 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:53,320 The survivors, 25 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,800 they'd walked away with only a tattoo on their arm, 26 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,600 everything they had owned was gone 27 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,400 including their families. 28 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,920 Where was the money to come from? 29 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:13,840 To heal them, 30 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,160 to house them, 31 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,320 to allow them to begin their new lives. 32 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:26,040 The needs of the survivors were as great as they were urgent. 33 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,720 This was the declaration that my grandfather 34 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,840 delivered in the German Parliament, the Bundestag. 35 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,640 He declared that he was willing 36 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,480 to enter into negotiations for reparations. 37 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,640 Two states who go to war, 38 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,760 the state that wins exacts reparations 39 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:50,920 from the state that loses. 40 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,280 Reparations have existed since time immemorial. 41 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,960 But the idea of compensation to individuals was unprecedented. 42 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,720 How is Germany going to pay for this? 43 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,280 We had bombed the hell out of Germany. 44 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:14,320 In 1952, the German population was the same population that committed 45 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,120 that what happened during the war. 46 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:21,200 When I went to school in the 1950s 47 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:23,520 the Holocaust 48 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,680 was practically never mentioned. 49 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,680 We don’t want German money! 50 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,800 For the Israelis, 51 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:36,520 it was really a dramatic change to begin a conversation 52 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,040 with representatives of Germany. 53 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,280 It was for them like negotiating with the devil. 54 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:47,000 Blood money. 55 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,000 I always called it blood money. 56 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,080 There was this bomb being sent to the German Chancellor. 57 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,400 And there were other bombs being sent to the delegations in Wassenaar. 58 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:07,120 There was a terrorist group which was out to kill me and kill all the others 59 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,560 who dares to sit with the Germans 60 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,520 to talk about how much they owe for my parents. 61 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:25,280 I don't know what happened to my parents and my sister. 62 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,720 And every night when I go to sleep, I say 63 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,240 Muti, Papa. Where are you? Where are you? 64 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,760 Where is my family? Why am I alone? 65 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:40,600 I don't have anybody. 66 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:42,440 I'm still a child. 67 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,640 One Jewish negotiator said he felt the souls 68 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:52,360 of six million Jews in the room with him that day. 69 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,160 At Weimar, all citizens were ordered to visit the concentration camp. 70 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,280 They were forced to see with their own eyes 71 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:28,160 crimes whose existence they had indignantly denied. 72 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,480 They tell you now that they knew nothing of what was going on, 73 00:05:32,840 --> 00:05:34,640 or could do anything even if they knew. 74 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:43,320 The Germans had for 12 years been indoctrinated 75 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,960 that the Jews were a danger to their existence. 76 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,960 They didn't really understand why they had to pay compensation. 77 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,760 One has to see that everybody, even those who had been 78 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,000 on the other side against the Nazis, 79 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,280 they were not willing to deal with the crimes. 80 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,640 Everybody was rejecting the notion of collective guilt. 81 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,560 People were still living in ruins 82 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,640 the country had to be rebuilt. 83 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:28,600 They just thought it was a war 84 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:30,040 that was bad for all sides. 85 00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:35,440 But the fact that the Germans had inflicted 86 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,600 so much pain on the Jewish people 87 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,840 probably wasn’t on their minds. 88 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,080 The Allies conducted a number of polls amongst the Germans. 89 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,400 Who did they consider to be the main victims of the war? 90 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:56,640 Jews always ranked at the bottom. 91 00:06:58,840 --> 00:07:02,440 They were so preoccupied with building up their lives. 92 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,680 Only 11% of the German population 93 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,680 supported compensation talks. 94 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,000 In the name of the German people 95 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,640 unspeakable crimes have been committed 96 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,080 calling for moral 97 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,520 and material compensation. 98 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,400 My grandfather was convinced 99 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,000 early on in his term of office as Chancellor, 100 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,880 that it was crucial to build a bridge 101 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,920 with Israel and the Jewish community. 102 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,320 The Federal Government is prepared 103 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:03,520 together with representatives of world Jewry 104 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,960 and the State of Israel 105 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,640 which has taken in so many homeless Jewish refugees 106 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:16,880 to bring about a solution of the material compensation problem. 107 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,080 He said that, of course, this compensation, this reparation 108 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:24,880 is also, in a way, accepting German guilt. 109 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,280 Adenauer had a deep understanding 110 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,960 that we had committed terrbile injustice. 111 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,920 I think he knew from a moral 112 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,200 and political understanding 113 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,720 that he had to 114 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,000 engage with 115 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,480 the Jewish community. 116 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:57,800 In 1949, West Germany became a new sovereign nation, 117 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:02,360 the Federal Republic of Germany, with Konrad Adenauer as its Chancellor. 118 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,800 East Germany was behind the Iron Curtain, cut off from the West. 119 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:12,800 As the first Chancellor, he had the task of rebuilding West Germany as a democracy, 120 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,920 regaining membership among the civilized nations of the world, 121 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,800 and restoring the good name of Germany. 122 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:24,440 He was a devout Catholic 123 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:26,960 and had been opposed to Nazism. 124 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,480 His family had paid a severe price for their opposition. 125 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,640 In 1917, he was elected the Mayor of Cologne 126 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,120 Cologne was one of the centers of Jewish life in Germany. 127 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,840 He had Jewish friends. 128 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,760 And this is something that the Nazis didn't like at all. 129 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,640 He despised the Nazis right from the start 130 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,200 and it was no secret. 131 00:09:58,280 --> 00:09:59,920 He was removed from office. 132 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,160 These are the German newsreel pictures 133 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,440 put out following the attempt on the Fuhrer’s life. 134 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:07,120 Conjecture runs high... 135 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,840 My grandfather wasn't involved in the plot on Hitler’s life, 136 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,880 but he was arrested at five o'clock in the morning, 137 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:25,080 then taken to an internment center in Cologne. 138 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,480 He was able to escape with the help of a friend. 139 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,720 Soon after, they came here to Rhöndorf 140 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,520 to question his wife, 141 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,280 to tell them where he was hiding. 142 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,800 She refused, and she was arrested 143 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:46,520 and taken to Gestapo headquarters. 144 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:50,640 They also threatened to arrest 145 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,160 her two daughters as well. 146 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,040 So she betrayed my grandfather 147 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,240 and gave up his hiding place. 148 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,280 Of course my grandfather forgave her 149 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,640 but she never recovered from this. 150 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,760 She took sleeping pills and cut her wrists. 151 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,000 She was saved, 152 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,600 but the poisoning she suffered 153 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,040 couldn't be treated adequately. 154 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:22,800 She died three years later in 1948. 155 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,040 Of course this was a hard blow for my grandfather. 156 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:39,800 Knowing that people in Germany did not 157 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,880 recognize the importance of this subject, 158 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,560 I think he let his decisions be guided 159 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,960 by his inner conviction that 160 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,320 this is necessary, 161 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,760 not just for his own moral responsibility 162 00:12:00,680 --> 00:12:02,400 but for the whole German people. 163 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:10,080 Adenauer faced fierce opposition to the idea of paying reparations, 164 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,320 even within his own cabinet. 165 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,120 The biggest threat to Adenauer's plans was finance minister, Fritz Schäffer. 166 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:22,400 Schäffer thought that maybe the German Federal Republic is not capable 167 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,320 of bearing that financial burden. 168 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,000 I mean, I wouldn't call him an anti-Semite, but he thought that 169 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,080 if Israel needs money, 170 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,640 Israel should address maybe the United States or others for credit. 171 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,880 And he had a very important position in the German cabinet. 172 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:40,200 He has the right to veto. 173 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:45,160 So it was very important for Adenauer to overcome that. 174 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,280 The speech by Adenauer, 175 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:54,120 it was received by the world as a very brave speech. 176 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,120 But not in Israel. 177 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:04,080 We hereby proclaim the establishment of the Jewish state in Palestine 178 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,520 to be called the state of Israel. 179 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:12,520 Like Adenauer, Ben-Gurion was building a new nation out of the ashes. 180 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:15,760 The two leaders actually had a great deal in common. 181 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:21,080 Both men were unique combinations of moralists and realists. 182 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,160 The lesson Ben-Gurion took from the Holocaust was 183 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,480 that we the Jews need to protect themselves. 184 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:29,440 No one saved the Jews. 185 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,360 They can't wait for other nations to protect them. 186 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,880 And if the Jews want to save themselves, 187 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:39,400 they need weapons. 188 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,240 For weapons, you need money. 189 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,520 And no one's going to give it to us. 190 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:48,560 This evening, the invasion. 191 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,080 Arab armies are pouring in. 192 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:51,840 Their tanks have already crossed the borders 193 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,120 and the frontier settlements have helped the first onslaught 194 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,680 of the fighting forces of the organized Arab armies. 195 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,400 The Israel War of Independence was the longest 196 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,000 and the most dire 197 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,640 in the history of the Jewish state. 198 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:13,160 About 85% Gross National Product 199 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,920 was devoted to finance this war. 200 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,040 In the midst of the war, Israel opened it's gates 201 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:25,200 for a wave of mass Jewish immigrations. 202 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:31,000 About 700 thousand Jewish immigrants came to Israel, 203 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:35,040 absorbed by a population of 600 thousand Jews. 204 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,800 This figure was unprecedented in the history of nations. 205 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,080 Half of the immigrants came from Arab Muslim worlds, 206 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,120 and half of the immigrants came from Europe. 207 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:52,760 They were Holocaust survivors. 208 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:05,480 In June 1950, Israel had about 65 million dollars. 209 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,040 At the end of 1951, 210 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,720 the Israel treasury was empty. 211 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,120 A collapse of the economy 212 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,800 is virtually the collapse of the state itself. 213 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:26,200 Ben-Gurion, he knew that for the survival of Israel, 214 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,600 Israel must obtain these reparations. 215 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,480 It was a very difficult decision. 216 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:40,400 He locked himself into a psychological mode of not listening 217 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,120 to the criticism because he said I cannot judge 218 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,840 or comment on the pain of my brothers and sisters 219 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:47,880 who went through the Holocaust. 220 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,760 But now, I have to do whatever I can 221 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:53,680 to build a nation 222 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,280 to move forward. 223 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:03,360 Ever since the full and horrific extent of the Holocaust was discovered, 224 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,440 a kind of spontaneous popular boycott 225 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,520 was imposed in Israel on Germany. 226 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:17,320 This boycott was the expression of the sense of revulsion, 227 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,400 feelings of hatred, 228 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,320 the desire for revenge 229 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,160 against Germany. 230 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,440 There was a complete rejection of everything German. 231 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,440 Not only the Nazis. 232 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:37,840 German art, 233 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,240 German music, 234 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:43,400 the German language. 235 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:46,680 Even German products. 236 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,520 That is an Israeli passport. 237 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:54,680 That can be used for every country. 238 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,240 And here: 239 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,040 Except Germany 240 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,440 When the State was founded, 241 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:09,640 Ben Gurion became the Prime Minister, 242 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,520 and Moshe Sharett became the Minister of Foreign Affairs. 243 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:16,120 They were partners 244 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:17,560 in the decision 245 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,520 to obtain reparations from West Germany. 246 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,600 The debate in the Knesset 247 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,960 lasted three straight days. 248 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:31,840 There were not many instances 249 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,920 in the history of the State of Israel 250 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,960 where there were debates as prolonged and difficult 251 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,000 as those on the topic of reparations. 252 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:42,760 I’m reading an excerpt 253 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,640 of Sharett’s speech at the Knesset 254 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:48,760 “Jews were killed 255 00:17:49,360 --> 00:17:52,480 but the German people continues to enjoy the spoils 256 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,720 of the slaughter and pillage 257 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,240 perpetrated by their previous leaders. 258 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,640 Of this we can say, 259 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,040 'Hast thou killed and also taken possession?' 260 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,160 A member of David Ben-Gurion's party during the debate rose and said, 261 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,160 "You're a traitor to the Jewish people." 262 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,160 "Even if you sign the agreement with the Germans," 263 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,120 "they'll never pay, they're going to make fools of you." 264 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,960 The emotion was very high in the Knesset, 265 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,520 but it was nothing compared to the atmosphere outside in the streets. 266 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,040 Prior to the vote, Begin speaks at a mass demonstration in Zion Square. 267 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,040 “The vote has already been taken in Treblinka, in Auschwitz. 268 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,920 There the Jews voted under the torture of death. 269 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,800 The reparations money will lead to cleansing the guilt of the German murderers.” 270 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:51,200 WE WILL REMEMBER TREBLINKA 271 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,200 REMEMBER AUSCHWITZ 272 00:18:55,760 --> 00:19:00,200 The prominent leader that execute this demonstration 273 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,240 was Menachim Begin, an Holocaust survivor. 274 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,680 OUR HONOR SHALL NOT BE SOLD FOR MONEY 275 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,800 When Menachim Begin ended his speech, 276 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,720 stones were thrown against the police officers 277 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,160 and some members of the Knesset were injured. 278 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:22,480 This was actually the first time, and the last time in Israel history, 279 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:24,920 that the Knesset was stormed. 280 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,560 The motion to approve negotiations with the German people passed, 281 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,680 but only by a single vote. 282 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,160 The foreign office decided on a one billion dollar claim. 283 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:48,560 The claim was based on the costs for absorbing 500,000 broken survivors. 284 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,280 But Adenauer had offered to negotiate with Israel 285 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,960 and a representative of World Jewry. 286 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,440 There was just one small detail. 287 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,920 No such organization existed. 288 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,720 The Jewish people were fragmented. 289 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,120 They were divided. 290 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,800 They had a multiplicity of organizations. 291 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,520 How do you bring them together to speak 292 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,640 in one voice? 293 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,400 If the leaders of the democratic peoples of the last decade 294 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,560 would have had just a little bit more common sense, 295 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,640 just a little bit more of moral courage, 296 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,920 this second World War 297 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,480 would have been easily avoidable. 298 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:45,560 Nahum Goldmann was the only leader at the time 299 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,200 who had the gravitas, who had the influence 300 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,520 to corral politically and religiously diverse 301 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,600 Jewish leaders from around the world. 302 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,160 Goldmann was stripped of his German citizenship 303 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,440 by the Nuremberg Laws of 1935. 304 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,360 And he was forced to leave Germany that very same year. 305 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,040 He became deeply involved in Jewish affairs. 306 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,960 He was president of the Agency for Palestine, 307 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,000 basically the governing body of the pre-state Jewish community in Israel. 308 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,320 And he was a founder and president of the World Jewish Congress. 309 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,440 One month after Adenauer’s speech, 310 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,240 Nahum Goldmann sent out invitations in the name 311 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:31,280 of the Jewish Agency to 23 organizations. 312 00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:33,640 And it was arranged very quickly. 313 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:37,120 They all got together in the Waldorf Astoria in New York. 314 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,080 He did bring together a fairly wide range of organizations. 315 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,160 The first big question was who represents the victims? 316 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:51,480 There were survivors in Israel, but there were survivors all over the world. 317 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,880 In the early 1950s, there were still tens of thousands of Holocaust survivors 318 00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:01,520 who were living in the DP camps. 319 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,720 They didn't have bank accounts, they didn't have homes to go back to. 320 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,040 They didn't inherit anything from their parents who had been murdered. 321 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,000 And they were deprived of an education. 322 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,520 Israel's representative to the United Nations, Abban Eban, 323 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:24,560 came to the meeting in New York. 324 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:28,320 His main argument was that Israel should represent 325 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,800 all Holocaust survivors worldwide. 326 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,160 The other delegates refused to accept his position. 327 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,600 They rejected the idea that Israel should monopolize, 328 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,920 monopolize was the word they used, monopolize the claims. 329 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:45,600 That's not going to fly. 330 00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:50,000 The diaspora organizations also had ongoing needs 331 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,120 in looking after Holocaust survivors. 332 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,360 And there was the whole question of rehabilitating 333 00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:58,600 the devastated Jewish communities in Europe. 334 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,640 On the second day of the meeting, 335 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,880 a vote was taken to create the organization. 336 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,280 One group that was vehemently opposed was Agudath Israel. 337 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,080 The representative of Orthodox Jewry. 338 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,320 The spokesman for Agudath Israel said 339 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,080 the Jewish world would commit moral suicide 340 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,000 if the offer of Adenauer was not immediately rejected. 341 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,200 The vote was 22 to one, in favor. 342 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,840 And thus, the Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany, 343 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,200 the Claims Conference, was formed. 344 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,200 They decided to insert into already unwieldy name 345 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,560 the word 'Material' 346 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,400 because they wanted the world to understand 347 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,800 this was about material reparations. 348 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,360 But the issues of morality, 349 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,160 of justice, 350 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,400 those would not be solved or closed by a negotiation. 351 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,200 The nascent Claims Conference had to figure out on what legal basis 352 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,960 they would present claims. 353 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,280 There was no precedent for what they were trying to achieve 354 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:20,600 in international law. 355 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,720 Fortunately, the Claims Conference had pulled in a handful of brilliant lawyers. 356 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,880 We ask this court to affirm by international penal action, 357 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,040 man's right to live in peace and dignity, 358 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,920 regardless of his race or creed. 359 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,560 When I was still a student at the Harvard law school, 360 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,600 the first year class taught me 361 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,560 that if you do harm to someone, a wrongful act, 362 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,160 you have an obligation to try to make amends. 363 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,240 Fundamental principle of law. 364 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,880 Had nothing to do with Nazis, nothing to do with Germany. 365 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,160 It had to do with law and morality. 366 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,200 He had been drafted into the army right out of law school 367 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,080 and had never tried a case. 368 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,880 Nevertheless, he was tapped 369 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,560 to be the lead prosecutor in the Nuremberg Trials 370 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,760 of the SS mobile killing squads 371 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:17,320 who had murdered some two million men, women and children. 372 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:23,680 The case we present is a plea of humanity to law. 373 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,240 Finding the theory was the first obstacle. 374 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:32,840 How do you frame it? 375 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,840 And what form of law, under which headings? 376 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,920 We decided very early on, we're not going to ask for anything 377 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,320 for loss of life. 378 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,200 It was too difficult for us to say 379 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,880 Grandpa was worth more than Grandma. 380 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,680 Or you're worth more than somebody else who was killed. 381 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,760 The most important basis for individual survivor claims against Germany 382 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,080 was personal suffering. 383 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,840 What happened to that particular Holocaust survivor? 384 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,840 What they endured. Where were they? 385 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:08,600 Were they in camps? 386 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,400 Were they in ghettos for what period of time? 387 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:17,600 And there was a second claim, which was based on the value of the property 388 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:21,480 that had been plundered by the Nazis and for which there had been no claims 389 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,560 because there were no surviving owners. 390 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:34,000 The Holocaust was not only a war against the Jewish people. 391 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,800 It was the biggest asset stripping operation in history. 392 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,720 Whole families were completely annihilated. 393 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,040 And suddenly there was property, but there were no appropriators anymore. 394 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,000 Who is going to claim that property? 395 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:57,320 It cannot happen that property will become legal property 396 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,480 in the land where that crimes were committed. 397 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,440 You have murdered, and now you are going to appropriate 398 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,960 the means of the murdered? 399 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,320 That cannot happen. 400 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,120 That's morally unacceptable, in any culture of the world. 401 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,000 The idea was that the German compensation would assist 402 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,560 survivors to rebuild their lives. 403 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,840 But this did not constitute in itself an acknowledgement 404 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,880 of the fact that Jews forgave the Germans, 405 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,960 because Jews didn't forgive the Germans. 406 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:38,680 After liberation, 407 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,040 we were going back to our hometown, Tomasov Maszewski, 408 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,240 where my grandparents, great-grandparents, 409 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,320 200 years of people were 410 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,760 born there and lived there. 411 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,760 My mother said, "Somebody must've come back." 412 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,360 My mother lost 150 people. 413 00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:00,000 She had nine brothers and sisters. 414 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:00,920 They all had children. 415 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,400 Three years of waiting. 416 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,320 Not one person. 417 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,480 Every one of them was murdered. 418 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,240 Why did that make you not want to accept reparations? 419 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,600 Because I didn't want anybody to think it's a payment 420 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,000 for the murder 421 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:23,640 of all the people. 422 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,320 You can't pay for it. 423 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,120 And I was just afraid that somebody 424 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,880 would think that we're accepting the payments 425 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,400 for the death of our family. 426 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,360 Before negotiations could begin, 427 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,520 the Claims Conference and the Israeli government 428 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,640 had to be absolutely sure that Adenauer was sincere, 429 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,480 that he would agree to significant reparations, 430 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,800 and that Germany would actually pay. 431 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,440 Goldmann's meeting without Adenauer in London would be the first time 432 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,560 a high ranking Jewish person had met with a senior German official 433 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:09,920 since the end of the war. 434 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,840 It was a little bit taken out of a John Le Carré movie. 435 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,360 Nahum Goldmann came through the delivery's entrance. 436 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,040 Adenauer was already in the hotel. 437 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,600 So it was all very, very secret 438 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,440 because it still was unbelievable 439 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,920 to have negotiation talks back in that time. 440 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,520 Nahum Goldmann said a very unusual thing 441 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,640 to the Chancellor of an upcoming nation. 442 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,360 He said, "Before you even answer, give me 15 minutes." 443 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,240 "And don't interrupt me." 444 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,560 Goldmann laid out the volcanic controversy about negotiations with Germany. 445 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,520 He said, "If there's to be any haggling," 446 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,920 "it would be better not to begin the talks at all." 447 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,720 He also made very clear that without any acknowledgement 448 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,520 of the moral dimension, 449 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,040 there would never be negotiation talks. 450 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,600 And by moral dimension, he means that 451 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,800 Adenauer and the whole government has to again accept 452 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,200 unbelievable crimes have been committed 453 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,880 in the responsibility of Germany. 454 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:51,200 And that this is not only to get the readmission to the family of nations. 455 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,120 The fear Nahum Goldmann had that the whole German government 456 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,080 would regard this to be good business. 457 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,520 We're getting something for giving that reparations. 458 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:09,240 Goldmann asked for one billion as the basis of negotiations. 459 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,000 Goldmann wrote in his diary that Adenauer said this to him 460 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,360 at the conclusion of their meeting, 461 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,680 "Those who know me know that I am a man of few words, 462 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,120 and I detest high flown talk. 463 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,440 But I must tell you that while you were speaking, 464 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,560 I felt the wings of world history beating in this room." 465 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,600 In a meeting of the Israeli Foreign Ministry, 466 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,440 there was discussion where to have to negotiations. 467 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,840 Well, first of all, it was clear it cannot happen in Germany. 468 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,040 Germany was off limits for Jews. 469 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,080 The location was secret because they were afraid that there 470 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,640 might be violent attacks. 471 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,360 So in the end, they decided to go to a neutral country. 472 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,280 It was very hush hush. 473 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,160 I was told get on a boat, 474 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,080 and you proceed to the meeting place, wherever it is. 475 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:28,240 I didn't know where it was. 476 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,760 There was this bomb being sent to Adenauer 477 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,880 and that guy who opened the package actually died. 478 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,200 We landed in Holland, checked into the immigration there. 479 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,800 They looked at my papers and they said, "Wait a moment." 480 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:54,080 And then a man came out and a big car and he said, "Get in." 481 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,520 "I'll take you to where you're going." 482 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,680 I said, "Hey, can you tell me where you're taking me?" 483 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:05,760 He said, "You'll see." 484 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,040 The Kasteel Oud Wassenaar, 485 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,760 which had been given by the Dutch government 486 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,240 for the purpose of this meeting. 487 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,920 Well, the three parties that met in Wessenaar, 488 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,800 the Federal Republic of Germany, or West Germany, 489 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,920 the State of Israel, 490 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,080 and the Claims Conference. 491 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,080 And none of those organizations even existed before the war. 492 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,840 And it was no guarantee that the negotiations would reach 493 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,680 a successful conclusion. 494 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,240 The Claims Conference set up a delegation made up of Ben Ferencz, 495 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:55,360 Jacob Robinson, and Nehemiah Robinson, who were both of them lawyers. 496 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,160 And it was headed by Moses Leavitt. 497 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,680 Israel sent its own delegation. 498 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,840 Israel had the benefit of a foreign ministry with professional diplomats. 499 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,480 The Claims Conference didn't have that, 500 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,600 but they were fortunate by having personalities 501 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:20,000 who had been dealing with the restoration of Jewish property rights 502 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,520 under the auspices of the American army. 503 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,840 Ben Ferencz was one of them. 504 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:26,840 Saul Kagan was another. 505 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,640 Goldmann would stay in the wings until he was needed. 506 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,680 The idea was, he was the most important person, 507 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,600 and so he should be kept back as ammunition. 508 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,960 The Israeli foreign ministry were preparing nearly everything. 509 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:48,920 How to enter the room. 510 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,800 To enter five minutes before the German delegation appears 511 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,520 in order not to meet them beforehand. 512 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,800 Everybody has seen all those movies, yeah? 513 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,720 If somebody takes a cigarette, 514 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:08,800 the other one wants to be polite 515 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,040 and stretches his hand out with a lighter, automatically. 516 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,080 They were told, "Don't take lighters with you." 517 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:21,560 In order not, well, to establish a situation where you might be polite. 518 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,440 You are presenting a collective. 519 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:26,880 You're not presenting yourself. 520 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:40,480 Every thing was choreographed not to come close to the Germans. 521 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,680 The next question was, which language should we use? 522 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,080 This was also a symbolic question. 523 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:07,880 Is it possible to use the language of the perpetrators to speak about this issue? 524 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,200 Unimaginable. 525 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,200 Good afternoon, gentlemen 526 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,640 On the 27th of September, 1951 527 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,280 The Federal Chancellor made the following statement 528 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,040 before the Bundestag. 529 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,240 “Unspeakable crimes were committed in the name of the German people. 530 00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:48,600 This imposes upon us the obligation 531 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,240 to make moral and material amends 532 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,120 both as regards to individual damage 533 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,080 which Jews have suffered 534 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,800 and as regard to Jewish property for which there are 535 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,080 no longer individual claimants. 536 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,280 It further hopes that the efforts made by Germany 537 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,040 to remedy the damage done to the Jewish people 538 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,360 will be appreciated 539 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,800 as given proof to our earnest and sincere desire 540 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:18,720 to render 541 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,200 “Wiedergutmachung” . 542 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,600 In the morning, the Germans negotiated with the Israeli delegation. 543 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,800 In the afternoon they negotiated with the delegation on behalf 544 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,360 of the Claims Conference. 545 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,200 In the evening, the Claims Conference and the Israeli delegations met 546 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,720 to coordinate their strategy. 547 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,920 Obstacle number one. 548 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,440 How serious are the Germans? 549 00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:01,000 We said, "Okay." 550 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,800 "What are you offering?" 551 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,360 Because if they're ready to pay two dollars a person, this discussion is over. 552 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:17,640 For example, many of those Jews had stocks and bonds, 553 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,040 and these were all confiscated by the Nazis. 554 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:23,480 And they were very valuable. 555 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,600 And they said, "There's millions of dollars worth of stocks there.” 556 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,600 “And the East Germans, they're not paying anything.” 557 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,120 “So why should we do anything?" 558 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,720 Whatever it was that we wanted to put it in, 559 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,800 they would might say, 560 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,240 "Das übersteigt unsere Zahlungsfähigkeit," 561 00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:07,440 which means, "That exceeds our capacity to pay." 562 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,360 When the Germans said they want an accounting 563 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,800 of how the Claims Conference is going to spend the money, 564 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,080 to give them receipts and so on. 565 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,840 Moses Leavitt answered them with great force and bitterness. 566 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:24,960 “This is none of your damn business.” 567 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,200 “You created this mess.” 568 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,400 “We are fixing it.” 569 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,240 “We're trying to rebuild the lives of the survivors.” 570 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,920 “Don't expect us to give you accounts.” 571 00:39:41,240 --> 00:39:43,200 As head of the relief organization, 572 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,880 the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee, 573 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,440 Leavitt was intimately familiar with the needs of survivors. 574 00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:56,040 Only three years earlier, he had toured DP camps in Germany 575 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,400 and filmed survivors with his own camera. 576 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,160 During the negotiations he wrote in his diary. 577 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:14,880 “Sick and exhausted, stayed in bed uninterested in the whole world” 578 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,640 “and wanted to chuck the whole thing and go home.” 579 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,120 The German negotiators in Wassenaar were taking their cues from Bonn. 580 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,840 And in particular from Finance Minister Schäffer. 581 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,560 Schäffer's attitude toward Wassenaar was increasingly negative. 582 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,680 One has to know that in the same time of the compensation talks, 583 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,240 we had the so-called London Debt Negotiations. 584 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:49,440 The London Debt Conference continues with the United States, 585 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,680 the Soviet Union, and England meeting with the new German government 586 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,120 to demand payment for wartime destruction. 587 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,000 We were still talking about the debts of the German Reich, 588 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,000 which was also a big number. 589 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,320 Schäffer was also getting reports 590 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,840 from the head of the German delegation in London, Hermann Josef Abs. 591 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,560 Abs was a high-level financial advisor to Adenauer. 592 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,640 He was also a Nazi collaborator. 593 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,960 During the war, he was an executive at Deutsche Bank, 594 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,800 whose job it was to dispossess Jewish owned companies of their assets. 595 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,120 The U.S. Army had recommended indicting him for war crimes, 596 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,040 but he was never tried. 597 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,720 Dealing with Abs was a very difficult issue. 598 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,280 It was clear to everyone in the Claims Conference 599 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,960 and in the Israeli delegation 600 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,600 that they had no choice but to deal with the Germans as they were, 601 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,920 including those that had been Nazis. 602 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,880 The Germans would have liked to put the whole issue to London, which would have 603 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,800 meant that the Jewish claims might have been part of the larger issue 604 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,760 of German debts resulting from the second World War. 605 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,640 The German official said, 606 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,680 “First we have to come to a settlement with the rest of the world,” 607 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,600 “and then we can see what we can do for Israel.” 608 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:12,360 And Israel said, "No.” 609 00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:14,280 “It has to be the reverse.” 610 00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:19,560 “You have to acknowledge your debt to us because it is a moral debt.” 611 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:24,880 “And only then can you settle with the rest of the world." 612 00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:32,080 About three weeks in the atmosphere between 613 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,680 the Jews and the Germans had thawed considerably. 614 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,720 So Konrad Adenauer picked Franz Böhm to be the chief negotiator in Wassenaar. 615 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,360 Franz Böhm was a very eminent opposition figure in the time 616 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,600 of the national socialists. 617 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,680 He was removed from his chair being a university professor in Freiburg. 618 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,400 His deputy was Otto Küster, who had been a judge. 619 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,560 He was removed from the bench by the Nazis because he was opposed 620 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,040 to the new national socialists laws. 621 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,400 These delegates were completely astonished. 622 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:12,200 Well, I thought we would meet all those persons who represented "the past". 623 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,280 In quotation marks. 624 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,240 I think for the German delegation, this was also not such an easy situation. 625 00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:23,400 It was also the first encounter with officials from world Jewry. 626 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,640 Of course there had been this collective shame. 627 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,400 And I think this shame was also in the room. 628 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,880 They were making significant progress. 629 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,160 Then, suddenly, 630 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,160 the German delegation informed Israel and the Claims Conference, 631 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,160 the negotiations in Wassenaar could not continue 632 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,040 until the London Debt Conference was finished. 633 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,600 This was exactly what those in the Jewish world 634 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,600 who had opposed negotiations 635 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,680 had feared all along. 636 00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,640 The Jews would agree to negotiate. 637 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,080 And then the Germans would renege on their promises. 638 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,720 The Jews would be made to look like fools in the eyes of the world. 639 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,720 And worse yet, even in their own eyes. 640 00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:19,440 Böhm and Küster were disgusted by this. 641 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,640 They were shocked that the government didn't want to 642 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,040 move forward with talks on Jewish claims. 643 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,920 Böhm and Küster resigned. 644 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,360 They said our government is not serious. 645 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,200 So that was really a treasonous act on their part. 646 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:45,280 Because the Israeli government was so desperately in need of money, 647 00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:48,120 Abs was trying to get a cheap deal. 648 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,040 So he brought forward an offer to the Israeli government, 649 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:58,800 it consisted of 100 million, which was far away from the expectations. 650 00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,320 The number which had been on the table so far was one billion. 651 00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:44,360 Goldmann came here to this house 652 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,280 to overcome this impasse 653 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,880 and to return to the negotiating table. 654 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,120 Goldmann explained to Adenauer that you couldn't go on this way, 655 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,600 there couldn't be what he called horse trading. 656 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,760 It was humiliating for both sides. 657 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,280 It was unreasonable. 658 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,400 Adenauer was under pressure to achieve some deals. 659 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,160 That's the dynamics of a negotiation. 660 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:19,400 At a certain point, you cannot step back without producing a lot of damage 661 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,560 and the damage would have been huge at that time. 662 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:28,960 Without a deal with Israel, Germany would have not been able to 663 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,280 succeed in the international realm. 664 00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:37,040 My grandfather believed in God and ethics. 665 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,160 Morals were at the basis of his political life. 666 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:43,720 But at the same time, 667 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,680 he was very pragmatical and he was also tactical. 668 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:52,320 I think the ethical and moral obligation 669 00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,720 to atone these terrible crimes committed by the German people 670 00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,320 were the driving force and the crucial motivation. 671 00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:03,960 Even if there had been no benefit for Germany, 672 00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:09,080 he would have done it anyway. 673 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:19,720 Adenauer overruled his own government officials and said that there was 674 00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:23,320 not going to be any link between negotiations on the Jewish claims 675 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,600 and negotiations on German debts. 676 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,640 And so the delegation went back to the negotiating table. 677 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,520 There were big compromises on the part of both Israel and the Claims Conference. 678 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,760 Israel demanded one billion dollars. 679 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,800 It received 750 million dollars in installments. 680 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,440 The Germans said they didn't have the money. 681 00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,520 And so instead of paying Israel in cash, 682 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:58,080 Israel would receive commodities and oil. 683 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,720 The Claims Conference had originally demanded 684 00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:07,640 a lump sum of 500 million dollars. 685 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,800 Instead of receiving 500 million, they received 107 million dollars. 686 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,960 Nahum Goldmann later explained that the reason why it was that it accepted that 687 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,600 Israel was in desperate need of the money. 688 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,960 So they prioritized Israel over the Claims Conference claim. 689 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:36,600 The Claims Conference was negotiating partly for a global payment 690 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,880 that would go to help the Jewish people, 691 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,600 but an even higher priority 692 00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:42,960 was to help Holocaust survivors individually 693 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,080 to receive pensions directly from Germany 694 00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:50,200 that would help them live out the rest of their lives in dignity. 695 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,800 But there were many people who were 696 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,360 not eligible under the original program. 697 00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:01,400 People who lived behind the Iron Curtain, people who had been in hiding 698 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,720 or in other places that they weren't eligible. 699 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,200 The view of the organization ultimately was 700 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,480 let's do what we can now 701 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,760 and let's keep fighting for justice. 702 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,200 The night before the signing, 703 00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,800 Moshe Sharett arrived in Luxembourg from Israel 704 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,920 and Konrad Adenauer arrived from Bonn. 705 00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:36,000 The men were staying in different hotels 706 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,840 and couriers exchanged the speeches 707 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,680 that they had prepared for the next day. 708 00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,680 This is from Sharett's speech. 709 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,960 Our memory is still haunted by the catastrophe 710 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,680 inflicted on the Jewish people 711 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:52,960 by the German Nazi regime, 712 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,920 in which two out of every three European Jews were put to death. 713 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,720 Forgiveness is not possible. 714 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,680 Adenauer read through Sharett’s speech. 715 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,840 I think he totally understood it. 716 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,240 It's a very difficult situation. 717 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,400 Survivors of such cruelty or atrocities 718 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,680 find it difficult to forgive, impossible to forgive. 719 00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,800 And you simply have to accept this. 720 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,400 But this was not in line with his own 721 00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:37,920 personal feelings. 722 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:42,360 He thought that honest repentance 723 00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:43,600 and atonement 724 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,000 should be recognized as such. 725 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,120 The idea that no forgiveness is possible, 726 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,880 for a Roman Catholic that's a virtual impossibilty. 727 00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,160 Catholics believe that people are sinful 728 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,080 but that sins can be repaired. 729 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:11,920 Well, it was clear from midnight on, 730 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:16,360 Adenauer didn't accept the half sentence 731 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,840 about no forgiveness possible. 732 00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,000 As a person, he may accept it. 733 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,760 But not as a Chancellor of Germany. 734 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,360 And then they came to the conclusion, no speeches at all. 735 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:53,000 During the choreography of signing the agreement, 736 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,520 both delegations arrived from different doors. 737 00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:57,880 They entered the room. 738 00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:00,680 Names were whispered 739 00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,480 Mister X, Mister Y, and so on and so forth. 740 00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,760 And then silence prevailed in the room, 741 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,240 for about 12 and a half minutes. 742 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:25,600 Adenauer sat in front of the Israeli Foreign Minister, Moshe Sharett, 743 00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:31,320 and both of them signed the accord 744 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,680 between Israel and Germany. 745 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,400 I'm sitting next to Nahum Goldmann and right opposite me is Chancellor Adenauer. 746 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,160 Time comes to sign the contract for the Claims Conference. 747 00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:48,920 That had two parts to it. 748 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,680 Goldmann whipped out his pen, and he tried it. 749 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:53,800 That didn't work. 750 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,920 But I gave a pen, which my wife had given me when I graduated from Harvard 751 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,920 and I carried that with me throughout the war. 752 00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,440 Good luck charm. 753 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:03,240 I give it to Goldmann. 754 00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,760 And the treating was in fact signed with my pen. 755 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,480 After the signing of the treaty, 756 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,240 Adenauer went to a chapel 757 00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,400 and he prayed there. 758 00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:28,400 He wrote in his memoirs that the Luxembourg Agreements 759 00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,200 was one of the most important 760 00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,560 achievements of his life. 761 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,440 They were extremely important to him. 762 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,320 After the agreements were signed, 763 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,240 Nahum Goldmann wrote a letter to Konrad Adenauer. 764 00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,520 Even more important than the financial significance 765 00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:03,880 of the Luxembourg Agreement 766 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,560 is its moral significance. 767 00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,360 It established a precedent. 768 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,200 According to the agreement, West Germany promised to pay 769 00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,480 Israel in goods and services. 770 00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:39,400 The goods consisted of raw materials, especially petroleum, 771 00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,480 agricultural produce, industrial machinery, 772 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,880 ships for the Israeli Navy, and so on. 773 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:55,120 This agreement, first of all, upgraded Israel's standard of living. 774 00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,800 It enabled construction of housing and lodging 775 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,760 for the newcomers 776 00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,720 with economic growth around 10 or 11 percent per annum. 777 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,080 It was also a sea change. 778 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,040 It broke many taboos. 779 00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,000 In those days, 780 00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,200 the country was almost on the verge of civil war. 781 00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:23,640 What is amazing is that once 782 00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:28,520 the agreement between Israel government and Germany 783 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:30,240 was signed 784 00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:33,280 and the reparations money 785 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,360 started flowing into Israel 786 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,000 everybody was happy with it. 787 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,160 The opposition stopped fighting it. 788 00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:48,880 And the German reparations rescued the Jewish state. 789 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:50,960 Ironically as it sounds. 790 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,040 There is no question that the payments to the state of Israel 791 00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:00,640 were an unqualified success. 792 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,360 As for the individual payments to survivors, 793 00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:08,040 it's more complicated. 794 00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:14,240 I moved to Israel with the organization Youth Aliyah in 1948. 795 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,200 I was 18 years old. 796 00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,440 My mother decided to go to Germany 797 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,480 in order to claim the reparations due to her. 798 00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,280 I think she said, "This is what we’re doing.” So I did it. 799 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,800 When we arrived in Germany and got off the plane, 800 00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,440 and I heard Germans shouting, 801 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,680 "Attention! Attention!” 802 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,520 with all the German that I heard, 803 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,480 it brought back all these terrible memories 804 00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,120 and I was terrified. 805 00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,640 We took a tram. 806 00:56:57,720 --> 00:56:59,840 My mother got off at the stop 807 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,320 but I wasn't able to get off in time. 808 00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,640 I felt such panic. 809 00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:14,760 Afterwards, for about ten days, I didn't get out of bed. 810 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,360 I remember my mother going from one lawyer to another, 811 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,640 from one office to the next. 812 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,160 My mother succeeded in getting reparations. 813 00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:31,800 First of all, there is certainly 814 00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,160 no compensation in the world 815 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,760 that could bring back my childhood to me, 816 00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,920 fill the deep pit 817 00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,840 inside my soul, 818 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,680 bring back my father, 819 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,960 or give me back a normal life. 820 00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:47,520 No sum of money. 821 00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,560 I tried to take my life. 822 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:52,800 I tried to committ suicide twice. 823 00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:55,320 However, 824 00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,920 as a result of the reparations, 825 00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,160 I was able to develop myself. 826 00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,000 I was able to attend university. 827 00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,800 I was able to go to psychological counseling 828 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,960 which helped me work on my soul. 829 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,800 Blood money. I always called it blood money. 830 00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,160 But I took it because people say, "You're stupid.” 831 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,920 “You’re stupid. You have such stupid ideas.” 832 00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,120 “Take it, take it because they owe it to you." 833 00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,200 It was very difficult to accept reparations. 834 00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:48,840 Personally, I felt that for murdering my whole family, 835 00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,400 that was a very small price to pay 836 00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,280 and that we should take the money. 837 00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,840 When I first heard about reparations, 838 00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,600 I was living in Brooklyn, New York 839 00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,120 with a host family and yes, with my sister. 840 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:13,600 My mother's sister, Roszi, was the one who really, really needed the money. 841 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,440 She was genuinely ill. 842 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:24,000 My whole life in Auschwitz was guided by the fact that I was with Roszi. 843 00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,240 I felt that I belonged to someone who was strong 844 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,360 and will take care of me as a mother would. 845 00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,200 Roszi applied. 846 00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:38,240 She said that she had the tattoo on her arm 847 00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,880 and that her family was destroyed. 848 00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,680 And then she also told them the basic facts 849 00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:48,120 that her health was very badly affected. 850 00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,960 But she would say nothing about her mental state. 851 00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:58,200 She would not open her soul to the German doctor. 852 01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:06,080 The doctor told her that the physical conditions she could have acquired 853 01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,760 after being liberated from Auschwitz. 854 01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,840 Restitution was denied. 855 01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,800 I felt a lot like Roszi, that I don't want your money. 856 01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,960 But I did take it because I was a young girl. 857 01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,760 I was able to go to school because I had that money. 858 01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:32,120 We needed basic things, you know, clothes, shoes. 859 01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:36,360 So this was the only money that we really had to live on. 860 01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,760 Many of the survivors, they all felt that they didn't get enough and they were right. 861 01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,800 But the amounts totalling were quite a bit. 862 01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,640 There were from the beginning, different perceptions 863 01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,160 from the German side and the Jewish side 864 01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:01,120 about what lies behind these agreements. 865 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:06,200 From the German side, this was what they called "Wiedergutmachung." 866 01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:07,560 To make whole. 867 01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,600 We don't use that term because we don't think it's possible 868 01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,240 to make whole a Holocaust survivor 869 01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,160 who has been through the unimaginable. 870 01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,120 We call it compensation, recognition, an acknowledgement. 871 01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,040 Important, but this doesn't make whole. 872 01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,120 We don't have the right to forgive. 873 01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,680 Germany is a very important ally of Israel today 874 01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,640 and a very close friend. 875 01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,000 But it does not erase the past in any way. 876 01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,560 Wiedergutmachung is not possible. 877 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,760 You cannot make good. 878 01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,800 But we continue to try 879 01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,360 wherever we can 880 01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:59,880 to at least alleviate 881 01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:02,280 the consequences of injustice. 882 01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,360 This is a broad concensus 883 01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,560 but it was different in the early 1950s. 884 01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,960 The Germans mistakenly thought that the Luxembourg Agreements 885 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,920 were the beginning and the end of all negotiations on reparations. 886 01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:25,240 And in fact, this was just the first round of many, many more rounds of negotiations. 887 01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,480 When the program first started, those programs provided 888 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,440 a quite limited subset of survivors. 889 01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:39,080 And what the job of the Claims Conference has been ever since 890 01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:42,360 is to broaden and expand the eligibility. 891 01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:49,240 I have been the chief negotiator since 2006. 892 01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:55,120 And in the 12 years I had this role, 893 01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:59,280 we always learn new facts, 894 01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:05,920 new people that never received any compensation. 895 01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:13,240 Ultimately, these negotiations are not over just money 896 01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,200 or even individuals. 897 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,760 They're negotiations over history itself. 898 01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,920 What happened and how Germany 899 01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:24,600 and we, as a society, 900 01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,040 understand that history 901 01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,120 and acknowledge that history. 902 01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:37,320 This was a reckoning. 903 01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:44,320 The first reparations ever paid by a state to individuals the state had harmed. 904 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,880 An honest confrontation with your past 905 01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,640 is the most important way 906 01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,280 in which you can build a different future. 907 01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:09,480 We visited an older lady who survived Auschwitz as a child. 908 01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:14,080 At one point the lady said to me she was very happy and grateful 909 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,800 for all the support and assistance she was getting, 910 01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:21,520 but she also said what is even more important was that 911 01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:23,720 here in Germany 912 01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:28,440 current generations and future generations do not forget 913 01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,680 what Germany did to the Jewish people. 914 01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,080 I’ve always said in the talks that 915 01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,440 I don’t think the new generations 916 01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,720 have collective guilt 917 01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,160 because, to me, 918 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:49,240 guilt is something very individual and personal. 919 01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,400 But I think what we need to pass on 920 01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:58,160 to the next generation is simply 921 01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:02,400 the collective responsibility we have for our own history. 922 01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,840 People ask me, "When will this stop?" 923 01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,920 It's our obligation to make sure that we never stop. 924 01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,760 So that we continue to provide dignity 925 01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,600 we continue to provide needed assistance. 926 01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,080 The compensation is not just dollars. 927 01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,360 It's a statement that they have not been forgotten. 928 01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,280 I hope Luxembourg was a stepping stone 929 01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,200 toward a more humane and peaceful world. 930 01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:50,840 It illustrated the determination of human beings 931 01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:54,080 to survive and to carry on. 932 01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:59,760 My mother was a concert pianist. 933 01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:01,160 I grew up with music. 934 01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:11,880 Dancing helped me get back my sanity. 935 01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,960 When I dance, I forget everything. 936 01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,720 I see only beauty and I hear only beauty. 72465

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