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Testing. 1, 2, 3.
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Testing.1, 2, 3.
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Interview with Stanley Kubrick
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on the film2001: A Space Odyssey.
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August 20th, 1968.
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London, Great Britain.
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Mr Kubrick, we'd like to thankyou again for this interview.
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We know you're a busy man.
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The pleasure is mine.
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OK.
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- Should we begin?- Yes.
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Great.
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Much of the controversy surrounding 2001
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deals with the meaning
of the metaphysical symbols
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that abound in the film.
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What is the metaphysical message
of 2001 ?
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It's not a message
that I ever intend to convey in words.
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I intended the film to bean intensely subjective experience
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that reaches the viewerat an inner level of consciousness,
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just as music does.
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OK, without laying out a philosophical
road map for the viewer,
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can you tell us your own interpretation
of the meaning of the film?
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No, for the reasons I've already given.
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How much would we appreciateLa Gioconda today
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if Leonardo had writtenat the bottom of his canvas:
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"This lady is smiling slightlybecause she has rotted teeth"
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or "because she's hiding a secretfrom her lover"?
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It would shut offthe viewer's appreciation
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and shackle him to a realityother than his own.
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I don't want that to happen to 2001 .
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Apparently, some prominent critics
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felt that 2001should be among those films
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still exempted from the category of art.
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All of them castigated it as
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dull,
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pretentious
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and overlong.
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How do you account for their hostility?
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Fortunately,
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film critics rarely have any effecton the general public.
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The film is well on its way to becoming
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the greatest moneymakerin MGM's history.
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Perhaps, there is a certain element
of the lumpen literati
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that is so dogmatically atheist
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and materialist
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and Earth-bound
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that it finds
the grandeur of space an anathema.
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There are approximately100 billion stars
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in our galaxy alone.
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And there are approximately100 billion galaxies
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in just the visible universe.
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It's reasonable to assumethat there must be, in fact,
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countless billions of such planets
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where biological life has arisen.
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So it seems likely that there arebillions of planets in the universe
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not only where intelligent lifeis on a lower scale than man,
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but other billionswhere it is approximately equal,
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and others still
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where it ishundreds of thousands of years
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in advance of us.
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When you thinkof the giant technological strides
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that man has made in a few millennia,
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less than a microsecondin the cosmology of the universe,
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can you imaginethe evolutionary development
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that much older life forms have taken?
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Their potentialities would be limitless
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and their intelligenceungraspable by humans.
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Even assuming the cosmic
evolutionary path you suggest,
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what has this to do with
the nature of God?
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These beings would be gods
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to the billions of less advanced races
in the universe,
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just as man would appear
a god to an ant
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that somehow comprehended
man's existence.
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What do you believe
would be the effect on humanity
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if the Earth were contacted
by a race of such ungodlike
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but technologically superior beings?
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There's a considerable
difference of opinion
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on this subject
among scientists and philosophers.
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Some contend
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that encounteringa highly advanced civilization
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would produce atraumatic cultural shock effect on man.
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by divesting himof his smug ethnocentrism
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and shattering the delusion
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that he is the center of the universe.
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My impression is
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that the attention spanof most people is quite brief.
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After a week or two of great excitement
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and over-saturation in the newspapersand on television,
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the public's interest would drop off
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and the United Nations,
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or whatever world body we had then,
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would settle downto discussions with the aliens.
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You're assuming that extraterrestrials
would be benevolent.
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Why?
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Why should a vastly superior race
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bother to harm or destroy us?
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If an intelligent ant
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suddenly traced a message
in the sand at my feet reading:
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"I am sentient; let's talk things over,"
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I doubt very much that I would rush
to grind him under my heel.
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As you've probably deduced,
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I'm really fascinated by UFOs
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and I only regret
that this field of investigation
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has been pre-empted by a crackpot fringe
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that claims to have soared to Mars
on flying saucers.
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That kind of approach makes it very easy
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to dismiss the whole phenomenon,
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which we do at our risk.
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Following this theme,
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what do you think
we'll find on the moon?
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I think that in the movie,
I answer your question.
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If alien races
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have ever visited earthin the remote past
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and left artifacts
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for man to discover in the future,
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they probably chose the arid,airless lunar vacuum,
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where no deterioration would take place
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and an object could exist for millennia.
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Perhaps a message of greeting,a cache of knowledge
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or simply a cosmic burglar alarm
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signaling that another racehad mastered space flight.
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At a time when astronauts
are preparing to set foot on the moon,
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I think it's necessaryto open up our earth-bound minds
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to such speculation.
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No one knows
what's waiting for us in the universe.
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We have ignition sequence start.
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Two, one, zero.
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It's one small step for man...
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OK, Houston, we have a problem.
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Auto sequence initiated.
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Roger.
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There is orange soil.
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Five metres distance.
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ACS is close to vertical.
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Free for touchdown.
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Free for touchdown.
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Less than a minuteaway from the acquisition
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of Challenger through Hawaii.
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Challenger is going throttle up.
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Looking ahead to the year of your film,
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2001.
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What major social and scientific changes
do you foresee?
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Perhaps the greatest breakthrough
we may have by 2001
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is the possibility that man
may be able to eliminate old age.
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Over the eons,
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man's powerlessness to prevent death
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has led him to force it
from the forefront of his mind
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for his own psychological health,
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and to accept it unquestionably
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as the unavoidable termination.
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But with the advance of science,
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this is no longer necessaryor desirable.
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Death is no more natural or inevitablethan smallpox or diphtheria.
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Death is a disease
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and as susceptible to cureas any other disease.
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What impact do you think
such dramatic scientific breakthroughs
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will have on the lifestyle
of society at the turn of the century?
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That's almost impossible to say.
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Who would have predicted in 1900
what life in 1968 would be like?
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Politics and world affairschange so quickly
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that it's difficult to predictthe future of social institutions
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for even 10 yearswith a modicum of accuracy.
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Technology is, in many ways,
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more predictable than human behavior.
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Here is a diagram.
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There's little doubt that
the whole concept of leisure
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will be improved.
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I'm sure we'll have sophisticated3D holographic television and films.
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All their future productionswill be made in 3D film.
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And it's possible thatcompletely new forms of entertainment
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and education will be devised.
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You might have a machinethat taps the brain
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and ushers youinto a vivid dream experience.
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On the other hand,
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there are some risksin this kind of thing.
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If pleasure that intensewere readily available to all of us,
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we might well become a raceof sensually stultified zombies
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plugged into pleasure stimulators
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while machines do our work
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and our bodies and minds atrophy.
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Have you ever used LSD
or other so-called
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consciousness-expanding drugs?
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No.
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I believe that drugs are basically
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of more use to the audience
than to the artist.
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I think that the illusionof oneness with the universe,
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and absorption with the significanceof every object in your environment,
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and the pervasive auraof peace and contentment
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is not the ideal state for an artist.
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Actually, up to now,
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perception on the deepest level
has really,
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from an evolutionary point of view,
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been detrimental to survival.
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If primitive man had been content
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to sit on a ledge by his cave
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absorbed in a beautiful sunset
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or a complex cloud configuration,
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he might never have exterminatedhis rival species,
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but neither would he have achievedmastery of the planet.
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Now, however,
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man is facedwith the unprecedented situation
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of potentially unlimited material
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and technological resourcesat his disposal
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and a tremendous amount of leisure time.
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At last, he has the opportunityto look both within and beyond himself
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with a new perspectivewithout endangering or impeding
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the progress of the species.
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Some critics have detected
not only a deep pessimism,
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but also a kind of misanthropy
in much of your work.
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Is there any truth to that?
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Good God, no.
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You don't stop being concerned with man
because you recognize
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his essential absurdities
and frailties and pretensions.
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In the deepest sense,
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I believe in man's potentialand his capacity for progress.
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Are you worriedthat such progress brings risks?
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Like a possible nuclear war?
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One short circuit in a computer.
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What's the problem?
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One lunatic in a command structure.
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I think you know what the problem isjust as well as I do.
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And we could negate
the heritage of the billions
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who have died since the dawn of man
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and abort the promise
of the billions yet unborn.
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This conversationcan serve no purpose anymore.
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good bye.
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However,
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the destruction of this planet
would have no significance
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on a cosmic scale.
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To an observer in the Andromeda nebulae,
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the sign of our extinctionwould be no more than a match
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flaring for a second in the heavens.
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And if that matchdoes blaze in the darkness,
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there will be none to mourn a racethat used a power
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that could have lita beacon in the stars
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to light its funeral pyre.
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The choice
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is ours.
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Whether we like to admit it or not,
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in each man's chesta tiny ferret of fear
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at this ultimate knowledgegnaws away at his ego
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and his sense of purpose.
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We're fortunate, in a way,that our body,
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and the fulfilmentof its needs and functions,
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plays such an imperative rolein our lives.
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This physical shellcreates a buffer between us
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and the mind-paralyzing realization
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that only a few years of existence
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separate birth from death.
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If man really sat back and thoughtabout his impending termination,
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and his terrifying insignificance
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and aloneness in the cosmos,
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he would surely go mad,
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or succumbto a numbing sense of futility.
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Why, he might ask himself,
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should he botherto write a great symphony,
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or strive to make a living,or even to love another,
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when he is no more thana momentary microbe on a dust mote
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whirling throughthe unimaginable immensity of space?
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Those of us who are forced
by their own sensibilities
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to view their lives in this perspective,
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who recognize that there is no purposethey can comprehend
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and that amidsta countless myriad of stars
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their existencegoes unknown and unchronicled,
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can fall prey all too easily
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to the ultimate anomie.
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If life is so purposeless,
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do you feel that it's worth living?
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Yes.
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For those of us who manage somehow
to cope with our mortality.
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The very meaninglessness of life
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forces man to create his own meaning.
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Children, of course, begin life
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with an untarnished sense of wonder,
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a capacity to experience total joy
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at something as simple
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as the greenness of a leaf.
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But as they grow older,
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the awareness of death and decay
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begins to impinge on their consciousness
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and subtly erode their joie de vivre,
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their idealism
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and their assumption of immortality.
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As a child matures,
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he sees death and paineverywhere about him,
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and begins to lose faith in faithand in the ultimate goodness of man.
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But,
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if he's reasonably strong and lucky
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he can emergefrom this twilight of the soul
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into a rebirth of life's élan.
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Both because ofand in spite of his awareness
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of the meaninglessness of life,
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he can forge a fresh senseof purpose and affirmation.
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He may not recapture
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the same pure sense of wonderhe was born with,
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but he can shape somethingfar more enduring and sustaining.
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The most terrifying fact
about the universe
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is not that it is hostile,
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but that it is indifferent.
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But if we can come to terms
with this indifference
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and accept the challenges of life
within the boundaries of death,
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our existence as a species
can have genuine meaning and fulfilment.
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However vast the darkness,
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we must supply our own light.
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