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This guy is financially racist

because he tried to financially and legally kill me.

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He's a bad guy. And let me just say,

if you ever get a letter from Bill Joiner

and he says, Hey, do you want some easy money?

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Don't worry about your credit. Run the other way.

Don't call him back. Stay away. Don't take his money.

'cause he'll try to take your home.

That's what I'd recommend.

That's who Bill Joiner is. Hey Kelly, how you doing?

Hey, good, Andrew, how are you to see you? Hey, you too.

Good to see you. Greetings. So for those who don't know,

where are we and what are we doing today?

Uh, we're in Orange, California.

We're in front of Planned Parenthood,

and we're here to save the babies.

Uh, not enough people know what's going on.

3000 babies in the United States are, are murdered

and aborted every day.

And I dunno if you saw the sign over here,

did you get a picture of the sign here where

they're selling the baby parts?

My understanding is they'll,

they'll actually rip off the head

and then start taking the organs off one at a time

so they can then sell them and, and make money.

So that, that's what this is all about. It's demonic.

Save the babies, save the kids.

Save my house for Bill Joyner.

God bless America. Don't tread on me.

Don't even think about it. Don't even think about it.

I got First Amendment rights

and I got Second Amendment rights.

Boom. And don't forget it. Don't tread on me. Nobody.

I'm ready to die from my country or the Lord.

Any day, any day. Bring it on. Bring it on.

Hold on here. This brownish Corolla.

There you cc the two black.

The next one, it looks like might be one I'm praying

for right now as we speak.

I think that they dated Sex for Joy,

and then they don't think that their career

will take him that way though.

But it looks like the boyfriend is

bringing the girlfriend here.

So let's see what we can do with this great coral.

They still haven't got out yet,

and I'm praying that they may see the truth

and the truth will set them free.

What the heck is going on here at Planned Parenthood?

I've heard some crazy things. Let's find out.

Hey, parent Patty Hattie.

Hi. I understand. Do you guys sell baby parts?

Do you guys sell baby parts?

I wanted to find out if you guys sell baby parts.

What, what baby parts you sell and how much they are.

Excuse me, sir. Can, who's gonna mask

On? Who, who do you who,

who qualifies to buy baby parts?

Do I have to have a card?

Do I have to have to take the vaccine?

Who gets to buy baby parts?

Because I understand there's a lot of money

to be made in this industry.

I just wanna know how it works.

Aren't you selling baby parts? Yes or no?

Do you sell baby parts? Yes or no? They wouldn't tell me.

They said, I'm on private property right now.

If you guys need to get off our

property right now, we'll leave.

That's fine. But, but are you,

how are you selling baby parts?

And how much, how much are baby parts?

How much, how much are the baby parts?

It's hard to get answers. It hard.

It is hard to get answers. You know,

they wanna know everything about us.

They wanna control us,

but they don't wanna tell us anything.

I think it has something to do with the truth about what,

what, what really the f**k is going on here.

They're all about money. We talked about that.

They know it's all about money

and they wouldn't gimme a price list.

And they're hiding behind the doors.

They're hiding behind the damn doors here.

Just like Bill Joyner hides behind the PO box,

just like he hides behind the gates of Shady Canyon.

That's a bunch of b******t if you ask me.

Bunch of cowards, cowards.

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and D California penal code section 115

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and 1 2 5 regarding perjury, section 1, 3 2,

regarding knowingly present false written evidence.

William Joyner as President of Dove Canyon Holdings.

He is a complete financial

and legal bully as he is tried to destroy me

and has destroyed me and my family financially

and legally in the preparation

and submission of knowingly false, misleading,

and fraudulent documents in his efforts to steal our home

and devastate our family.

My name is Andrew Callahan,

and this is a documentary about a guy named Kelly Johnson.

Kelly j Patriot, SoCal Kelly here. Kelly J two A.

My fingers are messed up kinda like that.

Kelly J two A. God bless America,

An outspoken patriot who hates the Democrat Party.

It's it's demonic people who kill the kids,

But not as much as he hates a man named Bill Joiner. Bill

Joiner, Who you don't know about yet,

but you're gonna learn a lot about later.

Bill Joyner stole my home.

It's all right here, but nobody cares.

There's a guy that lives over here

that rips people off financially.

I didn't know if you knew about him. He's a financial

predator and a domestic terrorist.

So I first met Kelly back on April 11th, 2021. They

Assassinated Kobe Bryant. They whacked him.

The year before 2020, if you can remember,

was a hellish time for America. In many ways.

Everyone feel like that. Everybody feel like that.

I would rather die than wear a

Mask. And I just spent

four months following Trump's campaign

trail across the country filming for my directorial debut

that would later end up on HBO.

It was called This Place Rules.

But the initial title was supposed

to be called America S***s Itself, which I far preferred.

During that three month period, we filmed an insane amount

of stuff, like an Antifa soccer game in Seattle.

I just gotta go on Antifascist school.

I gotta f*****g go Antifa. Antifa.

A series of daily wake up shots in the rv.

They began with a pro lens emerging from my tonsils

and almost used Killer Mike as a recurring voice of reason

to make sense of the political

chaos unfolding in the streets.

The truth of the matter is,

it's being made into theater by media.

It's good tv. They get ratings, they get more money

As far as capturing the craziness of that time, I think

that America S***s itself did its job

F**k. And er

you a Jew Mudhole.

But I was still disappointed for a couple reasons, mainly

'cause I didn't feel like I'd gotten any closer

to answering the why question

that I was actually curious about.

Why did the framework created by Q Anon

and Trump propaganda cause an innumerable amount of people

to jump head first down the rabbit hole endangering their

safety lives and freedom. Dominic

Pola shouted Trump won In the courtroom.

But I'm a firm believer that most people actually think

they're doing the right thing

and see themselves as logical, discerning people in general.

So I was curious about outside of politics, what economic

and social factors caused them to become so susceptible

to brainwashing in the first place?

Unfortunately, I felt like America s***s itself didn't

actually come that close to answering that question.

Not to mention the experience

of actually making the movie the year

after was its own like nightmare.

The executive producers of that film, one

of them in particular, was deeply concerned about being

under fire by his demographic for

platforming problematic ideologies, particularly Alex Jones.

And so they wouldn't move the film forward

until I recorded this insanely cringey high horse director's

chair monologue where the producers fed me lines

to make the movie studio suit.

The companies like Facebook

and Twitter, they're private companies.

I think they have a right to do whatever they want.

Uh, what am I say? That's really embarrassing.

So that sucked. And then also they made me record these like

super cringey Jimmy Kimmel style Orange Man jokes.

I think one of them was I went to a Trump rally

and all I got was COVID-19.

Like I actually had to say that.

I don't think I need to say any of that.

So, you know, between, uh, kind of being just fatigued

by talking to like 5,000 Trump supporters in two months,

and then coming to LA right after

and having to record this monologue

that made me sound like somebody I wasn't.

I definitely for multiple reasons wanted

to step away from politics pretty much for good

or until the next election.

So I pivoted toward punk rockers.

I'm about to take this balloon

to the f*****g neck and that

S**t Spring Breakers. My name is Justin.

I like big booty Latinos, Local gang members. You

Gotta drink water cab fire you drink.

It's not rocket science m**********r.

And NASCAR fans, Kyle

Bus said that he locked Daytona better than Talladega.

So if you're from around here, dude,

you gotta f*****g hate Kyle Bus. F**k Kyle

Busch hoping to never see a MAGA hat

or an Antifa flag ever again.

But then in mid-April 2021, I opened my phone

and I hear about something happening called a

White Lives Matter rally.

And I was like, what the f**k? Where's this happening at

Huntington Beach, California, only 45 minutes from la these

Are the quote, white Lives Jew matter flyers

that Huntington Beach Police have said.

They received a report about from at least one neighborhood.

It was such a drastic event,

like at least it looked that way.

So I felt like I had to go at least see what would happen.

To be honest upon my arrival, I expected

to at least see five to 10 angry whites.

Always keep this as wide

As possible too. But

instead, there was no whites.

There was mostly about 500 protestors from the local BLM

chapter who showed up an hour and a half before the call.

Time to form a standing army

to resist the Klansman. What? Oh, what

Up? What's up, man?

All gas, no breaks. What up? What's up?

How you doing? Okay, we're chilling.

It's good to see y'all out here. So

For those who don't know, where are we at right now? Man?

We're at Huntington Beach. Why are we here?

Because White Lives Matter.

Wanted to show up in the KKK, whoever the f**k shows up

and supported out, out, we're kicking them.

The f**k outta here. No cops, no k, KK, no Fascist USA.

Yeah, we're live here at Huntington Beach, California.

Huntington Beach Pier.

There's supposed to be a, uh,

a White Lives Matter rally at 1:00 PM It's about 1145.

And the, uh, the counter protest is here.

What else should I say? Channel five.

Oh yeah, you're watching Channel five News,

Huntington Beach Pier and Huntington Beach.

It seems like nowadays all you see on

TV is Black Lives Matter.

That's Black Lives Matter that, but you know what?

You don't hear every day? White Lives

Matter. Find out why

F**k white supremacy racist. Lives

Don't matter. I

Think it's inappropriate to say White lives matter simply

because we have all the power.

You know, look, I'm white. You know,

If they start shooting, get behind me.

Hashtag white privilege.

If we start shooting The cops, you need to be prepared

to put your white body in between yourself

and people of color and danger.

Um, so you just have to be willing to do that.

Uh, f**k raising, f**k Nazis, f**k all that s**t.

You can't make 'em f*****g feel comfortable here.

You gotta make 'em feel uncomfortable

as f*****g possible. That's what we're here for.

Hit the far right with the feminist left,

hit the far right with the feminist left Radical women,

Despite the fighting words of these counter protestors,

the only people there that could be remotely mistaken

for white supremacists were confused.

Local Republican guys.

I just came down here to relax.

I come here every Sunday and, uh, I don't own a plantation.

And the blacks aren't picking cotton. I see it firsthand.

See what That there's no racism.

How I have Mexican friends, white friends,

of course I have black friends.

We smoke cigars together, even down here.

And I work with Latino guys, fabulous workers.

El Salvadorian guys.

They, they're the hardest workers I ever saw.

There's no racism overblown,

To be honest. The entire

thing kind of seemed like a sham.

Maybe an FBI honeypot to identify white nationalists.

It's hard to say. But regardless, I was ready to go.

But then from the corner of my eye,

I could make out a black BMW

with an extremely determined looking driver,

heading straight to the event.

At the time, it was just a car.

But this car would soon to become known to me as the MPU.

So this is the mobile protest unit. We call it the MPU.

This is the MPU.

Just to show you, I don't do death taxes or registration.

Everything is in there for a reason. He's got a gun.

He's got a gun. Oh, but wait, it's just a staple gun.

It's got a little, little, be nice to me. Stick.

Just got a little auxiliary hammer, hammer time.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Just a little hook stick here in case you

need a little something that'll pry a little something here.

Get down. Willie Brown says Kamala,

they're trying to shut me down.

Got another one that I wear on my neck sometimes.

Ah, so you're walking down the street.

So you're walking down the street minding your own business.

Somebody says, Hey, you look weird. What's wrong with you?

Say, what's wrong with me? What are you talking about?

I support kids. Are you a girl? You're wearing a purse.

Hey, I'm just trying to pass by. Hey, your name's Kelly.

That's a girl's name.

And so in that regard, there is the Second Amendment.

And right here, and right here and right here.

So just don't forget that.

Don't forget that God bless America once again.

I come in peace, Whack.

Have a great day. God bless you. God bless America.

The moment that I saw the MPU,

my journalistic spidey senses began firing.

So I followed the car across the street

where it parked in front of the Hurley store.

You got this rolling? Yep. Alright, cool.

This was my first time meeting Kelly J two a SoCal patriot.

How's it going, you guys? You guys here for the, uh, event?

Uh, I love the Lord. I love our country.

President Trump was trying

to protect our country, protect our people.

Heads up here. This whole thing with the virus, with BLM,

with Antifa, that was to hurt President Trump.

And the reason that President Trump wasn't backed

by January 20th, the reason he hasn't been back yet is

because he didn't want to have Civil War.

He cares about the people.

I think you know where I was on January 6th. Where were you?

I think you know where I was on January 6th.

The, the Deep State is trying to control the people.

They control the banking, they control the countries.

They control the Vatican. They assassinated Kobe Bryant.

How many people know that they assassinated Kobe Bryant?

They tried to kill Tiger Woods

in that car accident recently.

Why? Uh, the Kobe Bryant deal is that he had dirt on the,

uh, on the Clintons

and he was getting ready to go in the, uh,

witness protection program and they whacked him.

But many people are asking why the chopper was flying in

dense fog, especially since

other choppers have been grounded.

I care about our country. I want

people to know what's going on. What's

Going on as a White Lives Matter rally.

Is that what's going on? Yeah. Oh, okay.

I had no idea what was going on. I heard

that there was a BLM thing going on,

and with that usually comes Antifa.

And, uh, I'm kind of anti Antifa.

It's, it's demonic people who, uh, that, that kill the kids,

drink their blood, uh, probably eat them too.

I mean, that's what they haven't put this out.

'cause when that happens, people

won't be able to believe it.

But that's the truth. And sometimes the truth hurts.

Sometimes the truth hurts. Sometimes the truth hurts.

Given that I just interviewed probably 4,000 people

for America, s***s itself with the exact same talking points

as Kelly Bar for bar, in all likelihood,

I probably would've cut it short.

Had I not asked one question.

What's the most painful piece of truth that's hurt you?

Uh, guy stealing my home. Uh, guy stealing my home.

Uh, guy stealing my home.

He's falsified a trustee deed to himself

with seven false representations on it

and stole my home to take about

600,000 equity down Laguna Hills.

And Nelly Gale ranches name's Bill Joiner.

His name's Bill Joyner.

He lives in Shady Canyon and he's, uh, demonic also.

He destroyed my family, destroyed my 25 year business,

separated and devastated my family.

So that answers your question. This dude

Sounds like he sucks. Uh,

I don't think he's a good guy, in my opinion.

He's a bad guy and he's hurt a lot of people.

But then again, look what the Democrats

are doing to others. In

Kelly's answer, the why that I talked about, which I tried

and failed to answer for the HBO project seemed to sort

of present itself on a silver platter in the way that he

so casually connected a tragic

personal situation in his life to a grander spiritual war

between good and evil in the country.

I had so many more questions for Kelly, but

before I could even get a word out, he was on the move

with four flags in hand,

approaching a blood thirsty army of hostiles.

He had this genuine look of terror

and bewilderment as he approached the corner.

And probably for good reason, 30 seconds later,

he was swarmed, not

His No ho

All lives matter.

All lives matter. This flag is for the 3000 aborted babies

that happen every day.

Why are they talking about all the people getting killed in

Chicago every weekend?

Do they care about that?

All the black people getting killed in Chicago?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Shut the f**k up, b***h. F**k you. Yeah, I will.

Are you stupid b***h? F**k your life.

I hope you f*****g die. Homie me straight up.

F**k everything you represent.

Look for the truth. And keep the faith, bro.

F**k up. Kobe Bryant was assassinated by the Quinns.

Hey, hey, hey. You can see at least two men carrying

Trump, 2020 flags

and one going head to head with protestors who surround him

and rip his flag down

My broke the f**k about your hat.

Hey, man, can you just give

us an overview of what happened?

I got attacked. Someone took my hat,

someone took my flags.

And, uh, they just try to cancel you.

If they don't like your position, they just attack you

and try to cancel you second

attack you and try to cancel you,

Attack you, and try to cancel you,

attack you, and try to cancel you.

Hey. No fastest

on our f*****g streets.

Hold on. Who? Street R Street. Who street RC.

That's right. What's up?

What's up? Hey, I like the show, bro. I'm good.

I left Huntington Beach that day with a lot

of things on my mind.

But mainly I couldn't stop thinking about Kelly.

And more importantly, his arch nemesis Bill. His

Name's Bill Joiner.

I wanted to learn as much as I possibly could about the

collapse of Kelly's career, life, and family,

and figure out how

and when exactly that collapse coincided with politics.

This all connected to a theory that I've had

for a long time about

how exactly people jumped down the rabbit hole.

For the purposes of this movie,

I'm gonna name it Andrew's Radicalization Theory,

because I'm Andrew, and this is my radicalization theory.

The leading experts among those who study cults

and radicalization often points to undercurrents of hatred,

echo chambers of misinformation.

And grifter is selling t-shirts online

with provocative slogans when dissecting

and diagnosing the transformation of an

otherwise normal person into a radicalized individual.

I mean, all the empirical evidence overwhelmingly suggests

that there's an enormous 200 foot ice wall holding the

oceans in level and flat. How do you stand on Hitler?

But I believe the true catalyst without fault is a deep

personal tragedy or some kind

of negative canon event in someone's personal life

that ultimately collapses their support system,

depriving them of their three core needs,

which I believe are security, significance, and connection.

Security asks the question, am I safe?

Be it from physical danger

or safe from suffering, from heartbreak

or hunger significance asks, do I matter?

Oftentimes that can be mattering to your community,

like if you're running a soup kitchen or something.

But more often it's fulfilled through work

and contribution and output.

We don't have to go to work on Monday.

We can't go to work on Monday. Get baby, let's go, let's go.

Let the heavy hitters go.

Third core need is something

that you can't buy connection,

which in my eyes is the most essential human need connection

asks a plain and simple question, which is,

am I loved for who I am?

This is typically fulfilled through romance, family ties,

social bonds like brotherhood and comradery.

One thing I've noticed in the field, especially

with teenagers and young adults, is that the absence

of core need fulfillment causes them

to engage in attention seeking

criminal behavior to fill the void.

But with adults like Kelly, for example,

these three core needs collapsing

after they've already had maybe 20, 30, 40 years

of all them being fulfilled, causes them

to develop a vengeful, nihilistic self victimizing worldview

as an overwhelmed trauma response,

often leading them straight into politics,

specifically reactionary politics.

That's because I believe that in the fight

or flight state that happens

after a traumatic event, people are the most susceptible

to being brainwashed by politicized media

as it feeds on their anger and bewilderment.

We have videos of firefighters using women's purses

to try and put out the fires,

and they have intentionally tried to drive out all

of the white people from the firefighting

force in Los Angeles.

It's biblical. Uh, and it's a message.

There's a ton of examples of this,

but this movie's about Kelly.

So I wanna stay focused in Kelly's story about Bill

and his home being taken, which caused the collapse

of his family and business.

I saw a chance to finally tackle the why

and to prove my theory about the connection

between collapsed unmet needs

and conservative political psychosis.

So I found Kelly on Facebook

and set up a secondary interview at a motel in Orange County

to get some more information.

Hey, we are in Huntington Beach, California

at the Shore Break Hotel.

And it, uh, and my

prediction is that Donald Trump will be back over the next

several months with possibly some military intervention.

In the meantime, uh,

I believe President Trump will be coming back once these

audits start rolling out when people can see the truth.

Part of the problem is, is this false narrative.

So what happened at the rally after we left, I

Went right back to the same corner

where I just got attacked.

So I'm standing there, some, some big burly cop all

of a sudden grabs my left arm and says, you're arrested.

Officers eventually confiscate the man's flag

and take him into custody

And manhandled me, getting me into the back of an SUV

that had metal seats, metal seats,

and they put me at an angle uncomfortable

destroying my wrist.

I asked him to loosen the handcuffs

and they expressly told me they

aren't meant to be comfortable.

And I was arrested for the first time in my life

after being an attorney for about 30 years.

They, they wrote me up for having a dangerous weapon at a

public event that was not a weapon

that was obviously a flagpole, and it was in the air.

I later learned that dangerous weapon in question is

referred to as the for banger Kelly's battle staff

that he brings everywhere he goes. What

This is, is the, for banger, four banger is

for flags on one pole,

channel five live worldwide, Hollywood and

Vine. Being that I

wasn't there for the actual arrest,

I asked him if we could recreate the scene.

All lives matter. Okay?

You're Arrested. Oh my God, for what he

Did. I didn't even say, I was

just blown away.

He didn't say anything. No,

Let's act it out like it's happening.

Let's start, let's start from the top.

Kobe Bryant was assassinated by the Clintons.

Come here Nazi. You're going to Guantanamo. Oh

My gosh. What did I do?

Am I getting

Canceled? The Democrats don't

like you. They're gonna cancel you.

Oh, man. So one thing that we talked about

during our interview is you mentioned that, uh,

you had your home stolen

by a shady real estate agent named Bill Joiner. He's

Falsified a trustee deed to himself

with seven false representations on it.

And he had, uh, a piece of paper that he prepared saying

that he owned my home and it was a false document.

And he used that to steal my home

As a lifelong renter.

I had no idea what the hell Kelly was talking about.

So I set us up in the bathroom to get down

to the nitty gritty of what really happened.

So going back to the very beginning, how did this all start?

Uh, sometime in, in late October, early November, 2006,

I received the, uh, unsolicited, uh,

letter from the Joiner group saying, Hey,

we've got a family trust.

We've got some money available. Easy loans.

Don't have to worry about all the, uh, formalities that the,

the, the banks and the typical lenders have.

And, uh, they'll loan money.

They've loaned money in my area, uh,

which is Laguna Hills, Nellie Gale Ranch.

Uh, you know, I had a lot of debt. I had a law office.

I had a home. So a traditional bank loan would be

maybe be difficult to get.

So this was a way for me to get some funding. You have

A family, right? Yeah.

Uh, three kids, Kyle, Kaylee, and Sydney.

Figured I'd check. I followed up.

Uh, it seemed like, uh, you know, easy money,

it seemed like I would qualify.

So this letter says I can give you between 35,000

and $3 million after only just a five minute phone call.

How much did you ask for initially?

A hundred thousand. Okay.

Keeping in mind that this was through 2008, 2009, 10,

the worst financial crisis our country's had

since the Great Depression.

So this guy knew that that was occurring

and I was four, I think four months late with him.

Four times 15. It was about $6,000.

Uh, that's when Bill Joyner filed a notice of default on a,

on a million, half plus value home.

And thereafter, on February 1st, 2017, all

of a sudden there were eight officers

and six squad cars that came knocking on our door.

They took us out at gunpoint

and I had on flip flops, I had shorts and a t-shirt,

and they wouldn't let me go back into the

home and get anything else.

Kelly says that in their hands,

orange County Sheriff's had a signed document

that said his home now belonged to Bill Joiner.

Through this document, he stole my home.

What Kelly continuously refers to

as a theft was actually just a foreclosure

of which there was over 12 million

after the Great Recession in 2008.

It was one of the most profound events in generations

with huge consequences for the American economy

and households throughout the country. It

Was very difficult time for our family.

Our three kids had to move out

and move in with friends at that point in time,

and they were with friends for several months.

My wife and I went our own ways.

Just a few months after the foreclosure,

Kelly's wife took full custody of their kids

as his mental health and financial

stability continued to spiral.

I, I was functionally homeless.

I was functionally homeless. I slept in my car.

I didn't have places to stay. I didn't have income.

I went from having a law office to not being able to work.

And during this timeframe,

because of what Bill Joyner did to me,

we never got back together as a family.

Never. No. To this day,

Upon further research,

I learned something pretty interesting, which is

that the home foreclosure

to capital Rioter Pipeline was overflowing

and analyzing the public records of the 125 January 6th.

Capital rioters, arrested and convicted.

60% of them had recently filed for bankruptcy.

Half of them were in severe debt to a creditor,

and 20% had recently lost their homes as a result

of eviction and foreclosure.

Looking back at America's s***s itself, I began to wonder

how many of the people I had spoken to during the heat

of 2020 had a similar story to Kelly

and had totally normal stable lives that were derailed

by financial hardship way

before politics came into the picture.

But before I drew any wild conclusions about, I don't know,

two party electoral politics, being a corporate scam,

engineered by a singular power structure

to evenly divide the public and to monetize consumer groups

and keep them busy fighting each other while the ruling

class tightens their monopoly on wealth

information and natural resources.

I had to ask the question,

was Kelly really normal before all this?

His Facebook page had a pretty limited selection of media,

so there wasn't much to look at.

I asked Kelly if he had any footage or recordings of himself

and his family in the home before it was stolen.

He said, yeah, and let me borrow a VHS tape

of home movies filmed back in the good old days

before everything came crashing down.

These are the Johnson Family tapes. I hope you guys enjoy

The de de Hi.

Hi. Hi. How are you baby? There's Kyle.

Kyle's here. Kyle's here. Hi.

You gimme a big hug.

No, Kaylee, can daddy have a kiss, kiss? No.

That's how you need to treat those men. Good.

Top here's Mommy.

I wish you the best of luck

and hope that everything goes

absolutely great for you in the future.

Shannon. Ready? Ready.

Alright. Wants a noodle? Is this on? Hey, noodle.

Here, here, here. Kyle, you're up. Here's a noodle.

Do the noodle dance. Hey, that was cool. We got it.

Oh, how are you little girl? Come on, miss Piggy.

Hey, what are you getting?

Come get a little snack. Oh, she's racing.

Let's go see the doggies. Come on, come on, come on.

Let's go outside. Oh, dropping those little bombs.

Tail a wagon. Oh, miss C Oh, little pork stir.

Kelly was not lying about

how dope his life was back at the old house,

but still I was fascinated by the sheer number

of animals living at the property at one time.

Good girl. Snowy. Oh honey, look how cute. Rudy the rat.

There's his tail. He is a male. He is. Got a big sack there.

See the little frogs there? I, what do we got over there?

We got the new tank. That is the stingray new

125 gallon tank here. Ooh,

They're all land now. Yay.

Yeah, there's a re rad.

Like he just had some surgery, but he's doing pretty good.

And there's old co buster, little pygmy goat. Yeah. Okay.

Alright. Valentine's weekend. February, 1697.

Heading to the Ritz later signing off.

And I rang the doorbell.

I don't know that anybody's answering here.

This was our home. This is our home at, uh,

it looks a lot different

'cause these people have really, I think they really

destroyed the, uh, the outer portion of our property.

They put all this, this plants, all these plants in here.

It looks like they're trying to barricade

themselves in there, kinda like a prison.

Kinda like Bill Joyner's home in Shady Canyon. For

Kelly, the physical home itself was his security,

but it also bled into his significance

in the timeline of his life.

The home was the ultimate symbol of material achievement.

Kelly was born in a mobile home in Iowa

to two working class parents.

And after getting straight A's

and playing football in high school, he followed his dreams

of moving to California where he graduated from USC

and went on to study law at Pepperdine,

ultimately establishing himself

as a prominent bankruptcy attorney in the

upscale Laguna Hills area.

Man, we had a great pool in jacuzzi.

Uh, we had a koi pond.

We had a koi pond that I built with my own hands, Gail.

We actually had about 47 animals.

We had dogs, cats, rabbits, and a potbelly pig.

Miss piggy, double digit rabbits, double digit cats.

My next door neighbor was the vice president,

chief General Counsel of Taco Bell.

As you see, it's an equestrian area.

There's 32 miles of horse trails. Nellie Gale Ranch. Why

Don't you guys run over there and I'll take your picture,

But you don't Go into the street, do you?

Right up over here on the left, uh, top portion,

those first two windows are, uh, the, uh,

bath in the master, uh, bedroom.

Whoa.

Tackle The other window here.

Kind of in the middle is, uh, Kyle's bedroom. So where are

You going today? I'm

going to school. Is it your first day?

It's my first day. Okay. Go down by the first day of school.

Bye bye. You're going to school and I'm going to work. Okay.

And then over on the far right is, uh, Sydney's room.

And then Kaylee's room was across the hallway from Sydney's

in the back of the house overlooking the pool

jacuzzi and koi pine.

We had a lot of fun here and it was a real family oriented

Ow For Halloween.

That was really, really fun.

'cause what we do, we set up tables right here.

We'd all decorate, we'd all bring food,

we'd all have our candy, and we'd all line up out here

and just with all these neighbors here,

And look sunlight.

I had everything

that I'd accumulated my entire lifetime in this home.

And that's everything that I had in the world.

So when Bill Joyner took that away from our family,

he took me away from our foundation, the foundation

of our family being our home.

It's kinda like a lot of things

that are going on in our world right now.

Nobody cares about the truth that a guy does this to me.

A 25 close to 30 year attorney steals my home

and the legal system allows it to do it.

And then President Trump wins the election in a landslide.

But the media says, no, no, no. Joe Biden won.

And, and I see a parallel there, taking my home by fraud,

taking the election by fraud.

That's the parallel, you know, same people, different day.

It seemed like through Kelly's story,

my initial thesis about political fanaticism being built

atop of unprocessed trauma was proving

itself in a clear cut fashion.

But then again, even if I was right, who cares?

Too often in today's world, reaching conclusions

and raising awareness about things

that are going on without offering a helping hand is exalted

as a noble cause Sometimes it feels like as a generation,

we haven't actually moved on from the Ney 2012 model,

which suggests that if a bunch

of people know about something

and collectively voice their outrage

together, that thing will change.

But most of the time it never does.

And so I became struck with a genuine desire

to help Kelly move on, help him process his resentments,

and most importantly move on from Bill Joiner.

But how he was devastated in a way

that at the time I just couldn't understand.

I, it, it hit me hard. It hit me emotionally.

It hit me financially. It hit me legally, obviously.

And it impacted our family.

And I'm, I'm trying to move on,

but I, I would like to get justice at some point in time.

We need some justice. We need justice for our country.

And the Johnson family needs justice.

He's a financial predator and a domestic terrorist.

Hope you get all the money you need, bill.

Hope you get all the money you need.

Go to hell, go to jail, whichever comes first.

I figured that the first step in helping Kelly would

probably be enlisting the help of his children.

So I asked for their numbers. He said,

don't worry about a phone number, just come by on a Friday.

I'm gonna be taking my oldest son Kyle to an event,

a justice for January 6th.

Rally.

U-S-A-U-S-A-U-S-A America first.

Yo, he might done Google bill.

He Vietnamese folks are fired up. They don't want communism.

They've already seen communism.

We are here at the FBI office in Orange County,

their FBI field office at 4,000 West Metropolitan

Drive in Orange, California.

Kelly's a great guy. I've known Kelly for months.

I think he's probably the most committed

patriot here in Orange County.

He's always going out with his flags

and, you know, standing alone against the tide.

Kelly's son is awesome.

He actually looked exactly like Kelly just,

you know, 30, 40 years younger.

Uh, so my name's Kyle Johnson

and then, uh, my dad is Kelly.

I'm his son. And yeah, we're just out here today, uh,

just out here protesting.

You know, it's my first time at one of these Johns

and uh, just happy to be out here.

Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for the candle. Sweet.

God bless America. They're trying to take our country.

Let's get it back. Let's get it back. People gotta wake up.

So, uh, yeah, with this like it's uh, it's a cool way to,

uh, connect with him and like,

obviously it's not my favorite thing in the world,

but I do see a lot of the points of like

where he's coming from and I could understand why he's

so passionate about these things.

Yeah. So it's cool to be a part of that, just

to be supportive of him.

The occupational regime is founded upon a swamp

of lies and depravity. What are some of

The other things that you and your dad

Do together besides this?

Yeah, so I mean, uh, we like to go on bike rides.

Uh, that's like one of the funnest things we'll do is go hit

up, uh, either like Newport or Huntington Beach

and just go, uh, you know, get some sun.

That kind of stuff. You know, just watch the sports.

But honestly, I mean this is something

that he's pretty passionate about, so I've kind

of just learned to like cater to that,

if that makes sense a little bit.

We're gonna sing the national anthem in conjunction

with the J six prisoners

who do this every night from their selves.

Oh, say, can you see

by the light for the

of the and the

home of God.

Good. Joe Biden, Biden. Team. USA team.

USA. Let's get it back folks. How

Often do you see your dad?

Uh, uh, Kelly. I see him.

Uh, yeah, I see him every time I'm in town. Uh, you say Kes?

Kes. We got a, I got a lot of nicknames for him.

Uh, probably my favorite one's. Uh, son you

Call him. You call him son.

Son. Every now and then. Yeah. How come?

You know, I just think like one day it was just, uh,

I think we were just hanging out one day

and it just for some reason just just

said it and it kind of just stuck.

Yeah. But yeah, no, sometimes, you know,

I just feel like his pops.

But he's a good guy. You feel like his dad? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. How come? You know, I just gotta like, you know,

he'll go off on these little tangents, you know,

get pretty passionate about stuff.

I'm like, you know, hey, like it's

okay. Like, he'll calm down.

Say her name her,

There he is, He's hanging out with the poor

Bearer. Had a couple extra flight

for guys. Stop by.

People say you look like each other.

And I say, well, we're related. He thinks he's my dad.

Yeah, this is my son.

Daddy tackle me. No, he was gonna come tackle you brother.

Tackle, ah, tackle you.

Ah, you

America.

America.

The Torry lanes. Megan thee stallion controversy is the

January 6th of hip hop. Undoubtedly.

What do you mean by that? Uh, in the sense that,

you know, we don't know all the evidence out there about

what Torry Lanes did or what Megan thee stallion's saying.

You know what I mean? It's just a he said, she said.

And I think we need to wait for the real

evidence to come out.

Musician Torry Lanes convicted

of shooting rapper Megan Thee stallion sentenced

to 10 years in prison.

But my favorite solo rappers from Wu-Tang Clan are j**z

of the genius and Rayquan the chef.

And then I guess for more modern stuff,

I do like 21 Savage a lot.

It's a knife, you know what I mean?

I, myself, I grew up big w****r,

I guess you could say. You know what I mean? Wait,

Wait, what do you mean? I don't

Know. I just like all kinds

of stuff really. All kinds of rap.

And I just think it's, I like hip

hop just 'cause you know, it's cool man.

It's a lot of charisma. A lot of machismo. I think it's cool

To a certain extent.

There was only so much I could handle of that g*****n rally.

I was there to talk to Kyle

and while it was pretty obvious

that their traditional father son dynamic had been warped

by the eviction, Kyle didn't seem

to care too much about his dad's over the top politics.

So I became much more curious about Kelly's daughter,

Kaleigh Kelly had dropped a couple small hints about her

personality suggesting

that maybe just maybe she was a liberal

And my daughter at UCLA is kinda left field.

'cause that's kind of how she's been

indoctrinated, uh, in that way.

So yeah, know we kinda lost her a couple years ago.

What do you think Kaylee would say if she saw

both of you guys out here right now?

She'd probably roll her eyes and laugh a little

bit, but she probably wouldn't be thrilled.

This is my necklace.

It basically means, uh, sic, WLW

so it means woman love and woman. How

Do, why do you have it?

Oh, because I'm gay. Gay.

I discovered this in college

because apparently not everyone

wants to make out with girls at parties.

Then I came out April of 2020, so quarantine

and um, I mean since then I've just hated men more

and more. So I ain't

Trying to have babies right now.

So we fought with a rub, but I got a raw

B***h when I came out to him.

I said, I'm bi. Does this hair make me look gay?

Uh, why do you wanna look gay? Yeah. Are you gay? Huh?

Huh? Bi. Okay. Super.

And then he said, you know what Kaylee, I'm Trisexual.

And I was like, what the f**k does that mean?

And he was like, I like brown, black and Asian.

And I was like, well that doesn't include mom.

Um, anyway, I don't know if you can include that.

I used to say I'm Trisexual.

I like black, brown and Asian women.

He was so high that day.

Like, I honestly didn't know if he like understood.

My dad is high 24 7

and he does stuff like his normal is being high.

Like if, I don't know if I've ever seen him not high. Why

Is wake up embarrassed?

Wake up, wake up, excerpt your head outta your ass

and see what the f**k is going on right now.

It's very important. If you don't,

we're gonna f*****g lose rights.

If not die, you're never gonna have those rights

Back. White

privilege people, we are not losing any rights. At

The way Kaylee described it,

her dad was a somewhat conservative, quirky, mellow,

suburban dude until the family began

having financial troubles.

When we started having financial difficulties.

And when Bill Joyner entered the picture,

my dad became very obsessive.

Bill Joyner stole my home.

It's all right here, but nobody cares.

Bill Joyner just became like the antagonist.

Like that was the person who

was the end all be all worst person,

most terrible person in his life who was

actively trying to destroy him.

Are these people that live here rip other people off

and steal other people's money?

Is that how they, is that how they f*****g get in here?

When's the last time the feds came? Tell me.

I, at first I don't think he handled

the, handled it the best.

Um, he was almost in like a little bit

of a denial stage. At first.

He was really like fighting like he was, you know,

over 40 hours a week, like typing s**t, reading s**t.

He was just trying all of these different things.

And like I said, like he wasn't working like this was all

that his time was devoted to,

This is a flyer that I had prepared, uh,

entitled Bill Joyner stole my home.

And uh, it sets forth the 10

or 15 code sections that he violated by doing what he did.

I gave a little background on, on him

where he lives in this area called Shady Canyon,

appropriately named Shady Canyon.

He hides behind the gates of Shady Canyon.

He has a PO box for his business.

So he, he's really nowhere

where anybody can access them because he's hiding.

There's a guy that lives over here

that rips people off financially.

I didn't know if you knew about him. If,

if not, you should know about 'em.

Just stay away from him. His name's Bill Joyner.

Just don't do business with the guy stole my home in Nellie.

Ga Let me give you one of these flyers.

You don't know Bill Joyner do ya, bill?

No, I know Wally Joyner. Oh, he's okay. Wally's. Okay.

Bill Joyner rips you off. Why?

Financially on, on real estate

deals, you gotta be careful with him.

He lives here in Shady Canyon. He screws people.

He definitely screwed me.

And, and then he hides

and then he hides behind his attorneys.

Like I said, he spends more time on these things than his

family and that's very difficult.

Despite everything I said, I love my dad

and I really want the best for him.

I know that he's a good person,

but it's been a long time, I think since I've seen, I,

I think it's been a long time

since I've actually seen my dad.

Well, okay, we'll just walk, we'll just walk. Okay.

Daddy, I can't walk, walk with me. I'll hold your hand.

Okay. Okay.

Now that I'd met both Kyle

and Kaylee, I wanted to get them together

to brainstorm on ways that we could help their dad let go

of his resentments and hopefully

become a caring father again.

But I wasn't sure how to get the kids together.

That was until Kyle told me he was having a project X style

frat party the next weekend at PE Chico State

and that Kaylee would be there.

So I hopped on my favorite highway,

interstate five and headed north.

But along the way, somewhere near Stockton,

I realized there was a huge problem in my plan.

Kyle is a freshman and freshman parties suck ass.

So I had to think fast about how

to make Kyle's function pop off in a last ditch effort

to recruit party goers for Kyle Shindig.

I made a pit stop at the local skate park in Chico.

Whereas if sent from the heavens, a prophet emerged,

Hey b***h, I'm from the gutter.

I don't use a brother when I'm f*****g

with your mother mama Super soaker dunk.

You don't want me on your bumper momma call m**********r,

you won't catch me with no suckers.

Watch me do this. I'm off two fists. Yo b***h in the back.

And she Y two. This

The man said his name was simply Uncle Pill,

a Chico resident and king of the skate park

with an extensive social network seeing no other option.

I told Uncle Pill to invite everyone he knows

to Kyle's party and gave him the address.

The rest was history.

Have you guys got a drink? Put that s**t in the air.

Have a f*****g good ass time. Let's get f****d up.

That shit's for f*****g Kyle, man.

Uh, Kyle's just a great guy.

You know, he showed me life like I've never seen it before.

I f**k with my n***a Kyle. I f**k with my n***a Kyle.

That's it. What's your favorite thing about Kyle?

My my favorite thing about Kyle, he gets b*****s.

That's why I follow Kyle. He gets the b*****s

And he has good ethics. Kyle.

He has OCD, oversized c**k down syndrome.

Now you don't know about the real Chico blood On my mamas.

This ain't s**t we used to.

This b***h patch strippers getting it really doing

s**t really busting.

Thats open type of s**t. You acting hard.

B***h that didn't get you smoke.

I'm choking on this fire b***h.

I'm aiming through the smoke. Remember

smoking Reggie in streets?

I'm still broke but I'm still doing drills.

B***h, I'm good with the ball. Hey b***h.

Hey what you man

for all up in my phone like you m***********g task

force all up in my phone.

B***h you different from my last one.

I ain't really tripping. B***h,

I'll bless you like a pastor.

You n***a really tripping. B***h.

I'll turn him in up Passport.

I ain't never lacking b***h Streets is who I blast for.

They looking for a plug. I'm the n***a that they asked for.

I'm hopping on his plate. I ain't even got a passport.

Daddy b***h. I'm from the gta.

Everything was going quite well until

for some reason Kyle's roommate became very offended

by Uncle Pill's performance.

Hey he who's up there? His hands aren't up.

His hands aren't up. No. Look at his n***a hands aren't up.

Hey dude, Doug

the n***a.

Brent, watch out. No,

that's my little n***a where he from.

It seems as if things are going in a negative direction.

Hey, what you wanna do? What the f**k is going on?

Don't tripping. He drunk check him.

Okay, well he is drunk but I don't give a f**k right now.

This that's, no one jumped him.

He wanted to get in my face. Hey bro,

I just broke my hands and I'm about to go

to the hospital. Kyle, there was just

A fight in your backyard.

No way. Was it sick? It was sick. Alright,

Bet. No.

Yeah, I definitely, uh,

definitely blame Bill Joyner a little bit just

for like the predatory style of like loans

that he would give out.

Like at the end of the day,

like targeting people while they're down is just wrong.

And I get like, I'm all about capitalism.

But at the same time though, like yes you

are. What up homie?

Hey Jelly Charlie,

Both you guys went up, uh, to hang with each

Other and hang with. Yeah, so

we're, we're just chilling in my bedroom right now

with, uh, Andrew and the gang.

Listen, there's gonna be a lot of hoes here tonight.

Any advice for me?

Uh, just be careful.

Double wrap and maybe wear a body condom.

Dad. Dad, should I get some women tonight?

Kaylee, you know what?

Uh, it's good to be friendly with all people,

but, uh, you gotta, you know, uh, love the one you're with,

huh uh but, uh, what, what does that even mean?

You know, see what you can get there. Kely. Huh?

As we wrapped up, the kids revealed a shocking fact

that I couldn't have ever believed in a

million years. Oh my

God. The craziest part

is he hasn't even ever met the

Guy. Yeah, the f*****g like

Bill Jordan, the f*****g guy

who ruined his life, he's

Never even met him.

Kelly Johnson has never met Bill Joiner. Bill

Joiner, The boogeyman,

the man he claims ruined his life, destroyed his career

and separated his family.

I've never met him. I've never met him.

So it was over the phone. Yeah.

My understanding is he's kind of a smaller guy.

He's one of those small guys.

I would have to think that he's kind of an elitist, uh,

you know, cabalist type person.

A little puny, wealthy guy who just tries to destroy people.

He could just be a person behind the curtain

who just maybe doesn't exist

and maybe he's just the guy that they write checks to.

I don't know if that's even a real guy.

And so after Kyle's party, I hatched a new idea.

Mediation. I figured that if I could sit Kelly down

with Bill, maybe they could just have a man

to man straightforward dialogue

and that would take the edge off of it.

What do you think you'd say to him if you saw him in person?

Um, I don't know. I'm not, I'm not a vulgar person.

I'm not a violent person.

I would just ask him, why'd you do this bill?

And was it worth it? And

Thankfully Kyle and Kaylee were on board with the idea.

So like, obviously that outcome right now is like final,

like, like that house has been sold already.

Like there's other people living in there.

Like that's, that's done. You know? Mm-hmm.

But, um, some type of like, you know, reevaluation of

that case and like what happened with like,

maybe provide some closure for Kelly, if

that made sense. Literally

Kelly and his arch nemesis were just able to like,

punch out a conversation. We wouldn't be here.

We gotta find Bill joint.

Yeah, I think, uh, that's the next step.

If I wanted to pull this off, I had

to first reach Bill Joyner.

So I began by writing a polite email.

First we have to choose a poem.

Helvetica in Nue, regular 11 point.

He's not gonna be able to read that. He

is like 65. What kind

Of font do you think Bill Joyner would use?

18 point font. The Pirate Bull.

Wait. Graffiti font,

Subway, New York Fight.

Take take your community.

Am American typewriter is pretty like creepy.

Like to Hello Bill. We've been watching you

While you Sleep.

Sincerely Kelly's army.

All right, so Newton's new Roman.

Hello, Mr. Joiner. Joiner.

Several months ago I met an interesting character

by the name of Kelly Johnson. Um,

Since the election, Kelly has been on the front lines

of, of nearly every, every Patriot

Protest, Capital P and demanding a recount

And accosting strangers, You look out for Bill, join.

Stay away from him. Shady Canyon. No trespassing

With the absurd allegation.

If you see him keep running.

He stole my home down in Nel Gale Ranch. He's a bad guy that

You Stole. Stole, stole his

His home. Home. Yeah.

Do you guys know who Hunter Biden is?

I've heard that Hunter Biden and Bill Joyner are tight.

He's tied, he's tied in with the White House. Oops.

Careful, careful. If you go this way,

look after Bill Joyner.

I'm sure you're familiar. I hope you

You'd be willing to talk, talk more with me.

That's good. Maybe we could even play golf sometime.

Yeah, I like that. You guys ready? Should I hit it?

Yeah, send it.

Unfortunately, bill did not respond to our emails

or our phone calls and didn't acknowledge the edible

arrangement that we sent to his residence.

So I figured it was time to pay his workplace a visit.

Bill's office was a lifeless corporate park.

The kind of place I'd never want to be,

but surely if I wanted to find this guy

that was the place. So what's on your mind?

Uh, my lunch right now, frankly,

we get a free lunch on Fridays,

which is very exciting for me.

I guess I hate paying for lunch.

Our company is actually holding like an event today

where they're going out and they're actually buying us lunch

and is a way to kind of like boost some

morale and get people back together. So.

So what's your uh, 40 year plan?

Get rich and retire young. What

Do you wanna do when you retire? Golf,

Drink and hang out with my friends and family.

What's your favorite way to haze someone into the company?

Rotten Eggs in the desk is a good one.

Uh, super glue them to their chair.

That's one of my favorites.

When this guy started, he doesn't know this,

but I took all of his tires off his car and rotated them.

He's got Get a second.

Do you know Bill Joiner? I don't.

Have you ever seen Bill Joiner before? No.

Since a friendly introduction seemed out of the question,

and being that his office was technically in a public

building, I figured I'd also take the elevator

upstairs to give the door a knock.

I'm actually kind of nervous 'cause if he is here,

it's gonna be like super f*****g awkward.

What the hell am I gonna say? Hey,

we're we're making a documentary film.

Yeah.

F**k dude.

They're probably all working from home, man.

So I'm thinking that like literally nobody works here.

As the phone calls and the emails continued,

I figured I'd also pay to join the country club

where he's listed as a member in the hopes

of maybe running into him at the Chinese

lunar New Year's celebration.

So we're at the, uh, shady Canyon, lunar New Year banquet.

I think, uh, a lot of these people probably know Bill,

but uh, I don't want to blow my chances,

so I'm not gonna ask too many people if they know.

Bill. Do you know a guy named, uh, bill Joiner? I do not.

Have you seen this guy before?

Uh, I don't think so.

As the chances of physically meeting Bill became slimmer

and slimmer, I hatched a new theory, which is

that maybe Kelly didn't actually need to sit down with him

for mediation and it would be enough

to just physically see him in the flesh, even from afar,

to realize that Bill is no more than a mortal man made

of meat and bones, much like himself.

Not a baby eating Democrat demon from the underworld,

as Kelly often paints it.

Yeah, I mean, that's how my dad paints him,

is like this big scary like monster, which maybe he is like,

you know, metaphorically.

But in the end, he is probably just like a 60-year-old

conservative white male.

I'm literally describing my dad, but

Seeing no other option.

I ordered Kelly and I some Gilly suits online

and hatched a plan to get a covert visual ID on bill from

as close to his house as legally possible.

Bill. Truth and Justice is heading your way.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Bill, we're gonna get you, we to get you. Happy Halloween.

Ha ha. Bill Joy winner. We're coming out to get you.

We're gonna find you. We're gonna find out if you really

exist and if you don't exist, we're gonna verify that too.

Oh yeah. Look at this. I think it's over here

where those big McMansions are.

It's like the f*****g Wild West Iron Man.

But this was the old West.

He'd be dead right now because someone would've shot him.

And the old Wesley wouldn't have tolerated this.

Not that I would do that and

it wouldn't have even had to be me.

It would've been someone before me.

'cause he did this to other people. He screws people.

He definitely screwed me.

And, and then he hides if he's hiding,

I think he's hiding right up there.

What would you, uh, say

to him if you saw him? Why'd you rip me off?

As we tried different vantage points, we came

to the realization that from literally nowhere on the hiking

trail was the inside of Bill's house

or driveway actually visible.

So unfortunately it was another failed mission.

But, uh, you know, this is just part of the journey. Oh,

Just the beginning, man.

Appreciate it. Yeah, you're a good Gilly. You're

A good Gilly Man. Thanks.

Thanks.

After trying and failing three different times

to find Bill, my team

and I pretty much hit a creative standstill with the film

and really had no idea how to proceed.

The only option to get in contact with them is

to pursue unconventional measures.

We've already done every

unconventional measure if possible. We've

Done, we've done most unconventional measure measures,

but like, we haven't left him a letter.

Nah, letter. Just like creepy

as f**k. Just call him again.

Yeah, let's do that. How many more numbers do you have?

Quite a few. Hey Bill, this is Evan Gilbert Katz.

I'm just calling 'cause I reached out

to you over email a couple days ago

about a documentary that I'm making.

You're very familiar with my subject.

I was wondering if you'd be available

for comment or interview.

Feel free to reach me anytime at this number.

Thanks for your time. Hope you have a great day. You

Hit him up on email twice.

You've hit him up on LinkedIn.

You've also left that message.

So there's no way that Bill doesn't know about

you and about the documentary.

So if he doesn't respond, it means

that he doesn't want to like, get near the story.

If the purpose of the movie is

to bring Kelly's family back together,

it's probably actually worth it to hire an actor

to play Bill Joiner, someone who's dealt

with like deprogramming people from cults.

And then we should have them act

as Bill in virtual reality model the VR

character off of Bill.

Tell Kelly that Bill's too scared to meet him in real life

because Kelly thinks that Bill's like a huge

p***y. Anyway, my

Understanding is he's kind of a smaller guy.

He's one of those small guys that has a lot of money,

Have the bill actor be so familiar with the documentary

and subject matter that like he can't slip up

and just say like, all the right s**t.

They wanna know everything about us.

They wanna control us,

but they don't wanna tell us anything.

I think it has something to do with the truth about what,

what, what really the f**k is going on here.

And they're hiding behind the doors.

They're hiding behind the damn doors here.

Just like Bill Joyner hides behind a PO box,

just like he hides behind the gates. A shady canyon.

I'm sorry Kelly, it was wrong of me to do that,

and I'm so sorry you deserved better than that, Kelly.

I just think it would be cool. So

the bill actor is the therapist.

The bill actor is the therapist connected

to a VR system. Basically,

You need to reconnect with your family, Kelly,

disconnect from politics and reconnect with your family

before it's too late.

The real thesis of this documentary is

that men benefit from therapy.

Wait, how do we even like know

if Bill Joyner actually stole Kelly's home?

Actually stole Kelly's home, actually stole Kelly's home,

actually stole Kelly's home.

As we deliberated on ways to conclude the film,

I reached a sobering realization, which is

that I hadn't really been questioning Kelly's narrative,

not just about the home, but about himself.

He painted this image of himself as a squeaky clean,

Midwestern family man, who by no fault of his own,

fell into the jaws of a heartless scammer

who took everything from him for no reason

Because of Bill Joyner stealing our home.

I was away from my son for his senior year of high school,

which can't, can't be replaced.

But while investigating Bill, I failed

to also investigate Kelly.

I mean, who was Kelly really?

I went back and re-watched all of our interview footage,

which totaled over a hundred hours

to see if maybe I'd missed something along the way

or if there was any loopholes in his story.

And I found one specifically surrounding

his disbarment as a lawyer.

Here's what Kelly said about it.

Because of what Bill Joyner did to me,

I ended up getting suspended by the state bar.

Uh, why? Uh, just

for a couple small little issues with clients.

Nothing. Just a little slap on the wrist. Stop.

No, no big deal. Then

I look back at the interview with Kaylee

who said he was disbarred far before the foreclosure.

I think I was about 13 when my dad was disbarred

and couldn't practice law anymore.

Then we were evicted. Um, two years later.

To me, the chicken coming

before the egg here was a huge loophole in Kelly's story.

So I decided to sit down with attorney Ben Marsh, who agreed

to open Kelly's legal file

and explained to me exactly why he was disbarred.

My name is Ben Marsh. I'm an attorney here

in Los Angeles, California.

I jumped on Google first

and foremost just to try to find a case number, uh,

and ultimately came across Kelly Johnson's Orange County

Superior Court action that he had filed against

William g Joiner.

Kelly had 21 counts of misconduct.

Yes, three counts

of entering into improper transactions with clients.

Two counts of advising, violation of the law, two counts

of failing to report sanctions

of a thousand dollars or more.

Two counts of failing to employ only means consistent

with two counts of failing to obey court count orders, count

of failing to cooperate in a state bar disciplinary

investigation, properly accepting compensation from one

other than the client, one count of failing

to return client's file.

So did Bill Joyner steal his home?

Not from what I saw in any of the pleadings.

I mean, it looks like he's cherry picking the facts to,

to support his narrative.

That loan was secured by a deed of trust.

So if a borrower, uh, is incapable

or fails to repay the loan,

the the lender has a security interest, a way

of getting repaid.

Mr. Johnson failed to repay that loan.

Uh, and that sort of set into motion the chain of events

that caused him to lose his home.

And he filed quite a few other lawsuits

and ultimately was deemed

to be what's called a Vexatious litigant.

A vexatious litigant is someone that files lawsuits,

you know, without having good cause to do so

and doing it over and over.

Ultimately, the court wants

to prevent someone from being able to do that.

Upon further research, I learned that

after being banned from California courts,

Kelly shifted fronts to Nevada

and attempted to shake down NFL Player Ezekiel Elliott

for $500,000.

Six, signed to Dallas Cowboys jerseys and a meet

and greet with cowboys owner Jerry Jones.

After Ezekiel knocked down Kyle while he was working

security at a festival in Vegas,

Ezekiel Elliot's legal team believes he's being

extorted right now.

A security guard is pressing charges against the

Cowboys running bag.

If I had been there, Zeke

would've been the next guy on the ground.

He wanted a half a million dollars to be quiet.

Other requests were $25,000 cash tickets to Cowboys games.

Press conference with Zeke Elliot.

I also learned that Bill Joiner offered Kelly $75,000

after the foreclosure for him to stop putting up flyers,

which he flat out refused to me, though it makes sense,

it doesn't fit his narrative.

So I decided to sit down with the one person I hadn't spoken

to yet, his ex-wife, Shannon, who agreed

to give me a candid interview about Kelly's

financial decision making.

During those so-called perfect years,

Kelly's always had a a money issue.

I mean, we never had enough.

We like to spend money and like I said, we were,

he was never good about saving, looking for the future kids.

It was just, I'll deal with it when I need to deal with it.

I'm successful, I'm good. I I can do it.

Driving a thousand dollar a month, Beamer, we had rabbits,

pot, belly pigs, several dogs, several cats.

I won't get into the numbers

'cause they're not relevant, but

47 animals.

Kelly's always had a big ego,

Double digit rabbits, double digit cats.

I gotta drive the car, I gotta be in the right address.

My next door neighbor was the vice president,

chief General counsel of Taco Bell.

Not a good feeling for financial security and, and saving

and planning, especially having a law firm that Kelly had

that cost as much as our mortgage did.

Mm-hmm. So that was hard to swallow.

But I tried to talk to Kelly throughout the years about

maybe downsizing, uh, leaving Newport.

Mm-hmm. And coming to Laguna Hills.

Rents were half the cost he got, like I said,

it was a big ego problem.

He had the staff to pay for.

He had, he had a lot to pay for.

So what can you tell us about Bill Joyner

and his loan company?

Oh gosh. You know,

I don't believe they were corrupt in any way.

Kelly fell behind on his payments, pure and simple,

and this thing happened.

But Bill Joyner, you know, I think he was just doing

what he was able to do legally.

That's all I can say about him.

After this conversation,

my mission began to shift fronts again.

I wanted to figure out how to help Kelly take accountability

for his own financial recklessness,

which plunged him into debt,

gave him in abysmal credit score,

and put him in the position

to take Bill's loan in the first place.

This wouldn't mean blaming himself entirely,

but I believe that Kelly leaning into his own role in this

situation as opposed to bills would cause a mentality shift

and allow Kelly to properly grieve without spiraling into

fantasies about payback and revenge.

But knowing how deep in his own narrative Kelly was,

I figured that any kind

of confrontation would probably backfire.

So I decided to just hold my breath

and wait in the hopes

that one day Kelly would've some kind of breakthrough.

And sure enough, he hit me up about a year later

and said he wanted to meet up urgently

to share some newfound revelations. You

Know, it's just, you know, I've come

to the realization on some things, uh, time, time is, uh,

you know, pretty good in terms of healing

and, uh, I just, I, I don't have any animosity towards him.

You know, he did what he did.

I think he will pay whatever price he needs

to pay in this world, or, or, or, or hereafter.

You know, I just, I can't, I can't focus my,

my whole life on, on trying to re regain what I had

or try to recoup from him or take it outta his flesh.

Um, you know, that revenge period, it, it,

it certainly happens, but you

can't let it be your whole life.

You know, there's a lot of evil out there

and we don't see it coming a lot of times, but it's there

and, and it, uh, can come up and hit you upside the head or,

or take away everything you had. And, um, yeah. And I was

Gonna ask you, you know, looking back at your life

before the eviction, you know,

do you think there was anything,

any behavior patterns that put you at risks?

Well, that's a good question and,

and I, I probably could have done, done things differently

so that the Bill Junior situation didn't put me

in such a bad spot.

You know, I could have sold the home,

but, you know, I was so dedicated to trying to preserve

what I had, kinda like you and your business

that you don't want to have to give it up.

So I, you know, I, um, human nature,

maybe we were a little selfish

and I've tried to, you know, work on things

and uh, you know, and try to walk a better path.

So there's things that, that I've done

and that, that you've done

and that we can do, you know, going forward.

But, uh, our family has not been together as a family unit.

And that's the one thing that I, I really regret

that we haven't been able to maintain.

And, but, you know, I love our kids.

And, and Kaylee just graduated UCLA, uh,

Kyle's up in his last year at Chico State,

and my youngest daughter's, uh, a senior at Laguna Hills.

And, uh, and, and I love him dearly,

and it just, that's, that's the toughest part is,

is keeping you know me away from our children during that,

that point in time in their lives.

Coincidentally, Kaylee hit me up shortly after

and took a much different tone.

Despite bestowing me with these newfound realizations,

Kelly was apparently drifting further

and further away from his family

and told them that he was planning to move to Arizona

to be closer to the patriot scene, which they saw

as the final step in his total estrangement.

So they wanted to give him an intervention

and present Kelly with an ultimatum commit

to staying in California and seek mental health treatment,

or they'd cut 'em off entirely.

Kyle and Kaylee also wanted

to get their youngest daughter Sydney involved,

who had only met very briefly in passing,

but now felt compelled

to share her perspective in the documentary.

How's everybody feeling?

Optimistic, I'd say,

Yeah, feeling pretty good

about like, what we're about to do.

So our whole goal today is to like, you know, just say

that we love him and stuff and like, you know,

explain like what's been going on,

What made you guys feel like now

is the time for an intervention.

Seeing that like, you know, we're approaching another

election year, that's probably gonna be one of the most

tense election years in history.

Uh, you know, just getting Kelly on the right path

before something like that starts seems like the right idea.

And I'm really glad that I reached out to you

and that we're here today because this is like the best

possible scenario that I think we could ever be in.

For sure. Thankfully, I was able to enlist the help

of a professional interventionist named Heather Hayes

who agreed to take the case on pro bono.

Hey, thanks so much for coming. I really appreciate it.

Good to see you. Yeah, good to see you too.

Absolutely. So, I'm Heather Hayes.

I'm a family consultant. I work out of Atlanta,

but I work nationally

and internationally all over helping families come together

and put together plans for healing.

How many times do you think you've done this before?

Oh, I've done probably 3000.

Needless to say. I felt like we were in good hands

For today. I think

what's most important is that the family be able

to talk about their feelings, where they're at,

and what their wishes and desires are for hope and healing.

So anyway, so I'm really honored to be here

and my goal for today is

that we just have a loving, respectful talk.

We're not, I'm gonna give some ground rules.

We are not talking about politics,

but what we are gonna talk about is we're gonna talk about

relationships and how you all can

feel more connected is what's important is

that even though we're all different, which makes us unique

and individual, is that we learn how to connect in ways,

feel closer to each other.

They love you. There is so much love for you in this room.

Um, you know, they, they miss you and they need both of you.

I mean, they need their parents.

It's different connecting with our kids when they're kids,

when they're teens, then they become adults.

And there's this shift that happens where

now we have an adult child, you know,

to parent relationship.

And it can be really actually just incredible

as incredible it is as it is.

Seeing them from tiny grow up

and go through all those stages.

Having adult children can really be magnificent too,

is they go through all of their milestones

and you know, they, you know, graduate start careers,

start families, whatever it is they wanna do,

and they need both of you.

I mean, they need their parents. What I also want is

for everyone to be honest and open and loving.

So I always ask people like, think about like,

here's your opportunity, what do you wanna say?

What's going well? What are your concerns?

Like, what's your ask from this meeting?

So I always have people take a little time and,

and write it down.

So what I'd like to do, just to kind of get started,

is like go around and let everybody kind of read, you know,

read from their heart, talk to you from their heart about

where, where they're at, what their goals are for today.

Is that okay? Sure.

Absolutely. So Dear back then,

you are my daddy who would do anything

to protect his little girl.

Smart. It's okay.

After getting evicted,

I didn't feel like we just lost the house.

I felt like I lost my daddy too.

Bad things happen in life that are out of your control.

It's inevitable. What matters is

how you respond to these things.

And when our family broke apart, you left it

to mom to get us back together.

I don't exactly blame you for that,

but I blame you for your lack

of involvement and responsibility.

Having an absent father

for the last seven years has affected me in so many ways.

I've gone through so much that you don't even know about.

I've been battling with an eating disorder

for the last three years, and when I was at my lowest,

I truly couldn't see a way out.

And I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Now.

If I can get help and try to change, you can too.

I'd like to think that I have a good understanding

of why you are the way you are.

And I'm not here to judge you for it. None of us are.

I just want you to confront the things

that are holding you back from living life to the fullest.

I'm writing this letter to remind you of how much I love you

and that you'll always be my dad no matter what.

I'm also writing it to make you aware of

how your actions have affected me as a person.

Most importantly, though,

everything we want today is just an investment in your

future, our future as a family.

That's all. Thank You. Thank you sin. Love

God.

Love you son.

Dad pops. I have so many great memories of us.

You have taught me how to do things. Good job.

Always do the right thing. Even me if it's not easy.

Good job. I'm proud to be here at one and only son.

However, at the cost of not having you present,

all I could ever want from you

is something money could never buy.

I want you to be my dad again.

I want us to rebuild what we have

and take a step in the right direction.

All of this is still possible,

and it's not too late to start or do the right thing.

I love you, dad, and we'll always.

However, we need to come together

and make the right choices to get you to a healthy place

where the dynamic of our family can be restored.

That'll be a hard road ahead of us.

However, I firmly believe

with the utmost confidence we can accomplish this task

and have you be a great father.

Again. I love you dad,

and I want to think more than you being

here for me and the family.

Again, I love you,

Dad.

I don't know who my father is anymore.

I'm scared of the man. I see.

I know you love me, but I don't feel loved by you.

You love talking about the idea of me.

You are UCLA graduate daughter that you're so proud of,

but I don't actually feel that love.

I feel like a prop. More bonus points for that.

One time you told me I was going to hell for being gay,

and the same phone call that you called

and asked me for money that happened.

Five kids, dad, not that that happened anytime soon,

like you wouldn't be fit to see them.

It is so difficult

to be mourning you while you're still alive.

We haven't been a family, and it's not

because we don't have a house, but because me, Kyle,

and Cindy don't have a father.

But most importantly, I don't know how many times I need

to say this, I want you to come back to your family.

I need my dad's love and support.

If you can't do this for your family

and everyone who loves you in the world,

then I will be the saddest girl in the world.

Andrew, I'm next up. You're

Next up.

Dear Kelly, when I first met you two

and a half years ago on April 11th, 2021,

you were carrying four flags at one time, surrounded

by a swarm of Antifa super soldiers

with blood leaking from your head.

I always figured you wondered why I followed

up after that first meeting.

And it was because of your lethal fixation

on Bill Joiner, bill

Joiner, bill Joiner, bill Joiner,

look after Bill Joiner. So

I figured that through investigating with what happened

with Bill Joiner, I could get to the bottom of what happened

to you psychologically

and hopefully reveal some universal truths about the

pipeline between deep personal loss and radical politics.

And through learning about your storied past, I was able

to sort of understand the extreme pain

that you went through after the eviction.

I mean, as a father, you have a fundamental obligation

to take care of your family.

That's like the core, almost primitive responsibility.

And I can only imagine the pain

and anguish that resulted from after that situation.

Being suddenly unable to provide for your family

and exiled from your core social group is enough

to drive anybody insane.

And when I was going through a really hard time in my

personal life, you were, you know, one

of the first people to reach out

to me. Here's what you said,

Andrew, this is Kelly.

Hey, hey, how you doing? Just want to touch base.

So I hope you're doing well. Hang in there.

It's never over till it's over, and you are not done yet.

So keep your chin up and you're gonna make

It. And as I've said for

a long time,

I will always be there for you, Andrew. And

Once again, it's not, you know, it's not what happens

because something happens to everybody.

You get knocked down at some point in time,

but people remember how you respond to adversity.

You give up and you go away, then you weren't anything.

If you are something, then you continue to stand up

and you move on and you stay strong.

And I, I see that as being, you

Remember Clipper's owner, Donald Sperling took a big hit

and had to sell the team and he was 85.

You're 26, and America loves to give people second chances.

So if not too horrendous,

you'll almost always be given a second chance.

PS I'm not preaching and I'm a flawed human being,

but I'm trying hard.

Love you, man. Hang in there and I'll talk to you soon.

Take care. We're gonna make it outta you.

And in the same way that you encouraged me to step up

to the plate when I was at my lowest, I want

to encourage you to do the same and really step up

because your kids love you and they're pretty young.

And I remember when you first saw me, you said to me,

bill Joiner destroyed my family.

He destroyed my family, destroyed my 25 year business.

He didn't, everybody's still here.

God always gives people circumstances

and I think this is yours.

Appreciate that. Yeah, man. Thank you Andrew.

I went through a lot. We all went through a lot.

Yes, I've seen what's impacted me.

I've been through a lot of pain suffering. Yes.

And so I've been trying to get myself in a position so

that I can go forward.

And at the same time, there's been things going on

throughout our country that have, you know,

obviously inundated a lot of us.

And, and, and my thought is,

unless I could do things to help that situation

after our house was taken, when our country taken,

if our country's taken, it's all over for everybody.

And that's been my focus

because if we don't have a country to live in, then we, it,

it's over our, our freedoms, our rights

and everything that, that we, you know, have,

have believed in since the formation of our country is gone.

And, uh, you know, I'm a proud person

and you know, I haven't had any type of, of counseling

or advice or assistance or anything.

I'm just, um, I'm sorry for causing the pain that I have.

I had, you know, I it I've been walking in my shoes

and it's been a tough road

and, uh, I'm, I'm sorry I haven't been there for you

as much as I could have been.

I just, it's been so difficult for me

and I just need to be more understanding

of the impact on you also.

And I, and I haven't been, and I apologize for that.

So there's a program in Pennsylvania, it's a program

that does a lot of work with families,

but it does a lot of work with individuals.

Um, a big part of what they'll ask you to do

and what take a look at is to stop smoking weed

for a little while and then also take a look at what is it

underneath there that the weed's covering up.

And so this is an opportunity that would help you get,

you know, started in that, you know, nothing's a quick fix.

Right. But there's certainly

jumpstarts that can be really helpful.

Yeah. Yes.

Yeah. Well, I, I'd be, I'd definitely be, um, you know,

interested and receptive, uh, to that.

That makes me really happy.

Ex-wife say,

oh my God, we, yeah,

We don't have a lot of time, but Jelly, I'm really proud

of you for taking a step.

We just want you to build a solid foundation,

man, and get the help you need, need

To, it's, I love you so much.

Love you babe. Yeah,

I've been here. Was was Saddam

here?

Yeah, Saddam was here. Yeah.

Okay. Bye. You guys love you. I'll keep you posted.

I'll talk to you soon. Bye Kyle. Love you buddy. Love

You too. I'm proud of you.

You too. See you, man.

Love you babe. Love you. Okay, love you. Love

You. Sounds good. So

hot. All right.

Do you sy love you, babe. Get well.

You, I'm so Proud of you. Thank you, babe.

Okay, take care. Okay, thank you. Bye-bye.

God bless America. Take care. Bye. You guys love you.

And just like that we were off headed straight

to LAX. They

Need dad to be there, you know, to, to support and,

and be a bigger part of their life.

And I'm prepared to, you know, take steps to do that.

I, I look to, to learn about myself,

learn about our situation,

learn about putting ourselves in a, in a better situation

and, and what I can do to help, uh, you know, help do that.

Hey, Karen, man, thank you. I love you, man.

Appreciate everything man. No problem.

Good luck out there, man. Stay on track. I appreciate it.

Thank you very much. Out to Philly,

LAX God bless America, Kelly g Patriot.

I didn't study, I'm just Kidding. Kyle never studies,

You guys talk to him a lot when he was in there, right?

Yeah. How would you describe what that,

that your correspondence with

Him? I would say

I had like one of the strongest relationships

with my father that I ever had.

You know, we talked, like every day he'd call me,

I'd hear daily updates, you know,

he was taking his vitamins.

They had unlimited chocolate milk. He was a happy guy.

He was, I mean, come on, you know, he, he met some, um,

rainbow people, he told me.

So, you know, it was good for our relationship.

I, I do think it was,

but I mean, when he was there,

it really seemed like he was progressing.

He was having a lot of realizations

and such about so many different things.

The first time, maybe a week

or so in, he admitted to me that he had an addiction.

And I'm, I'm, I'm outta whack.

I mean, addiction is a disease.

Addiction's a disease, and I had a disease.

So I'm, I'm trying to, you know, get my disease treated

Just crazy. Right.

Have you ever heard him say that before in his life?

Also? I talked to Kelly a couple times during treatment

and it really seemed like he was changing for the better.

I, I saw a, uh, psychologist two days ago,

and you know, what I learned there was that I dealt

with about four major life events within about three

or four years, which, you know, f****d up my head.

And I, you know, I didn't even realize I had nobody to talk

to, never talked to anybody,

never got any treatment or anything. So what

Do you think those four major life events were? My

Mom passing away, losing my home,

losing my business, losing my family.

When it came to genuine spiritual breakthroughs,

Kelly took things to a whole new level

that I couldn't believe I

Need to do. I need to go

back and I need

to forgive Bill Joy on apologize to him for not taking care

of my financial obligations

and put me in that position for him to do that to me

and my family kind of thing.

You know, I created it. I can't, you know,

I can't put my finger fingers in everybody else forever.

He said, I need to apologize to Bill Joiner. Oh yeah.

He was saying stuff that I was like, what the f**k is happen

Happening? But then it kind of,

uh, morphed into, oh,

I have an addiction and so all

of my actions are not my fault.

Mm-hmm. That's kind of what it turned into.

And then it turned into, I can only be saved

by God and everything I've done.

It was the addiction, not me, it was the weed.

I didn't make those decisions.

You know, a lot of people go to rehab

and usually try to find that higher power within themselves.

Mm-hmm. And I think

that would've been a lot more useful if my dad more found it

within himself and like took, you know, accountability

for all of his actions instead

of blaming it on all external factors.

Accountability is like the biggest thing. Like yeah.

To like wipe the slate clean and like move forward.

There's been no ability to like move forward.

He still is not at terms of himself

to like accept what's happened, but

There was still, there was a lot

of optimism also when he came back.

But then it kind of started going away when we were pushing,

oh dad, like, get out of your s****y living situation

where you're just stuck. The

Dow on my closet collapsed about two weeks

Ago And let us put you in a halfway house, you know,

dad, why don't you get a job?

Turns into, why don't you want me to be happy?

Like, you just want me to rot at a desk all day.

You must f*****g hate me.

Do you want me to go sit by the desk somewhere?

That's not what I'm saying. Waste my f*****g time.

That's not wasting your time. You do this every time.

I've partied a lot time I've stopped

doing that could be a better time.

It's not just a party. The it's not what you're doing.

It's how much time you put in that.

And how much time do you put into this? That's the problem.

What do wanna say? I'm sorry, I f*****g said it.

Do you wanna f*****g happy fought a f*****g sword.

No, I don't fought a f*****g sword. Are you happy? No.

It's his pride, truly.

Like he, he's really honest about it.

He's like, I will never work a dust job.

And we're not even saying that he should do that.

We also offered to put him up in a sober living facility

on the company dying, which he flat out refused still

employment and housing aside.

We hope that Kelly would step up

and become a more active father as he once was,

which he had a perfect chance to do.

About four months after he got out, unfortunately,

another crisis struck the family, Sidney,

his youngest daughter's eating disorder worsened,

causing her to be hospitalized in an inpatient facility.

Um, I spearheaded, I called the treatment places,

got my sister into treatment, got the insurance going,

and eventually like my mom

started doing more things for that.

But I spearheaded that. Kay, you put

That s**t on her Back. Yeah, I did. And

I'm gonna try to be there as much as I can

for my youngest daughter who's, uh,

gonna be a senior next year.

Sydnee had, um, something for treatment

that parents should go to and my dad said he couldn't go.

And I was like, why not? Oh, I'm gonna a Charlie Kirk event.

Ah, who the f**k is that?

Kamala Harris is a war monger who wants to send hundreds

of billions of dollars to Ukraine while our own border

remains wide open and 320,000 kids are missing in sex

trafficking because of your

preferred candidate, Kamala Harris.

I look 'em up. Turning Point America Far right.

Think tank discussion at UCLA's campus.

So I invited myself, me, I went to Charlie Kirk

and I, let's just say I was not the typical

Crowd member.

It's good to be having these conversations.

Okay, no good then. Like my dad is a far right Q Anon

conspiracy theorist, but here I f*****g am.

So yeah,

I I maybe you can learn something from him. So

Yeah, And then I just started,

I don't know, I just started getting real.

I was like, you know what? Like

My dad doesn't, he to spends all of his time on Q anon

and everything doesn't support his family.

Like, hasn't had a job since he was just fared as a lawyer.

So it's pretty ironic being with him

and listening to you to be honest.

Um, but yeah, I mean, I love you dad.

That's why we had an intervention,

but it's, it's really tough.

And I know these are like some

of the biggest things in my life, but I appreciate it.

Thank you very much.

And that was that I went back to my seat.

My dad completely ignored me.

I mean, I was just speaking about my true lived experience

and how it has been. Yeah.

Shortly after this confrontation, I wanted to meet

with Kelly one last time

to give him a final word in this documentary.

And predictably, he was in the one place

that his family was begging him not

to go Arizona at a different Charlie Kirk event.

Apparently working for a patriot news company called Liberty

Report as the star of a show,

Turning Point USA,

the last time we saw them was out at

UCLA with my daughter Kaylee.

Her whole Rainbow Coalition of beliefs is really contrary

to where I'm at.

And I expressly told her, if you get married sometime

and it's to a girl, I'm not gonna be there for the wedding.

'cause uh, as a Christian, I can't support that.

I'm not gonna support that. And

It's because we all wanna save America.

That's right. You all love this country

and we are going to save it. Hey,

How you doing man?

I didn't know you were here. How you doing?

Kelly's a man. He does great work.

He's a patriot and we, he loves America.

Charlie, gimme one second. No problem. No problem.

Do it, do it. Go ahead. Sorry about that. Sorry.

So UCLA recently my daughter was one said I'm a

liberal, my dad's Q anon. Yeah.

I thought I I I handled that gently.

You did, you did well, you did well.

I said maybe you could learn from you

learned something you did.

And then you said about family

and you know, listen to your parents and God bless you.

Appreciate it. Thanks Charlie. Keep

Praying for Her. Oh,

I know. And when she comes back,

prodigal

son. Absolutely none of it happened before.

Remember. Absolutely. Thank you Charlie.

Good seeing you again.

Thank you. He's a good man.

So he remembered, he remembered specifically

my daughter saying she's liberal

and what he said to her in terms

of maybe you'll learn something.

So he's a good man and he's tall. He's tall,

All said and done. Kelly

really didn't change that much, at least in the way

that his family wanted him to.

But it wasn't all for nothing on the bright side.

Do you still care about Bill Joyner?

Um, No. Which is good for Bill, I guess.

But going back to my original thesis about the collapse

of core needs causing

radicalization, I do still believe that.

And I do still believe that it was that collapse

that were the primary drivers in Kelly's downfall.

But after an intervention

and a free 30 day treatment,

he had every chance in the world

to turn the page and become a new person,

Look for the truth and keep the faith, bro.

And he actively made the choice not to.

But I'd be remiss

to say at this particular semi conclusive juncture

that I'm a bit disappointed in

how things panned out after the intervention.

I wish that Kelly knew how much we cared about him

and took things more seriously.

I wish the recovery center that he went

to didn't emphasize cannabis addiction so heavily.

I wish that, uh, bill Joyner

would've responded to my emails.

I wish I was filming Uncle Pill on a wide screen instead

of vertical when I met him at the skate park.

But that's the nature of life.

But I guess, you know, on the bright side,

Kelly is only 62 years old

and will probably live for decades longer.

I hope a lot can change between now and then.

I mean, a lot's changed in the past four years, so I'd like

to think that maybe we planted the seeds

for a future psychic shift in Kelly.

But I'm not sure I'll wrap this documentary up

with the same thoughts and uncertainty that I had

after I left the tunnels in Las Vegas

or the streets of SF where I attempted,

despite my best efforts

to help people suffering from addiction

and homelessness, only to be met with disappointing results,

which is that people can change if they want to,

and no amount of external pressure can actually make

somebody turn the page until

they're ready and want to do it.

Hey, look, let me give y'all some real m***********g game.

Rome wasn't built in a day.

Change is hard and change hurts for real, for real.

If Kelly wanted to change, he would change.

It just is what it is.

Like it's gotta be in them, not on them.

And Kaylee, like Kyle and Kaylee, he f***s with y'all.

Like, I don't even know where my dad is, to be honest.

You feel me? So like, you gotta, you know,

you just gotta let m***********s be m***********s.

And Kelly, Jay Patriot, he's gonna mail it out soon.

Trump's in office now, bud. We're gonna see where this goes.

And then, you know, we got four years of this.

And if nothing changes in four years, man, Kelly,

you did it all for nothing, bud.

You think what I'm saying? Like that kind of sucks, man.

Hey, nobody knows about the real Chico, bro.

You had to been there, you had to gone through it.

You know what I mean? Like you could read a book

and s**t, like you could read a book about Vietnam,

but you don't know about Vietnam

until you're on the m***********g shores.

Until you can see Vietnam,

you don't know about the real f*****g Chico man,

and it ain't coming back ever again.

But hey, f**k Bill Joiner.