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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,380 --> 00:00:08,880 ♪♪ 2 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:10,670 [Michael] Los Angeles, 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,380 a city infamous for its music and movies... 4 00:00:13,470 --> 00:00:15,640 [director] Action! 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,140 ...is also defined by its murders. 6 00:00:18,220 --> 00:00:21,180 [gunshot fires, man screams] 7 00:00:21,270 --> 00:00:23,520 It seems to set the City of Angels apart, 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,650 capturing the world's attention. 9 00:00:26,730 --> 00:00:29,190 The randomness of murder plays out beneath 10 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:30,990 the bright lights of Hollywood, 11 00:00:31,070 --> 00:00:32,990 the boulevard of broken dreams, 12 00:00:33,070 --> 00:00:37,660 and seeps into the veins of the American zeitgeist. 13 00:00:37,740 --> 00:00:41,750 I'm Michael Connelly, and I came here nearly 40 years ago, 14 00:00:41,830 --> 00:00:45,670 drawn by the movies, the music, and, yes, the murders. 15 00:00:45,750 --> 00:00:49,380 This dark pantheon includes the Black Dahlia, 16 00:00:49,460 --> 00:00:52,260 the Hillside Strangler, the Manson case, 17 00:00:52,340 --> 00:00:55,590 the OJ Simpson case, the slaying of Biggie Smalls, 18 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,090 just to name a few. 19 00:00:57,180 --> 00:00:58,550 But perhaps no other case 20 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,060 symbolizes an era in Los Angeles 21 00:01:01,140 --> 00:01:03,350 more than the Wonderland Massacre. 22 00:01:03,430 --> 00:01:05,060 [man] Okay, cameras rolling. 23 00:01:05,140 --> 00:01:06,230 [reporter] Four murder victims were found today 24 00:01:06,310 --> 00:01:08,360 in a posh Hollywood Hills home. 25 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,440 Police said all four had been beaten to death in a struggle 26 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,860 that splattered the interior of the house with blood -- 27 00:01:12,940 --> 00:01:15,700 a Manson-like mass murder. 28 00:01:15,780 --> 00:01:17,030 [Michael] The tentacles of the case 29 00:01:17,110 --> 00:01:19,280 would ensnare a porn star, a corrupt judge, 30 00:01:19,370 --> 00:01:22,240 and drug kingpin Pablo Escobar. 31 00:01:22,330 --> 00:01:24,790 Multiple celebrities would be swept into the story 32 00:01:24,870 --> 00:01:29,040 by Liberace's boy toy, enigma Scott Thorson. 33 00:01:29,130 --> 00:01:32,090 ♪♪ 34 00:01:32,170 --> 00:01:36,300 To this day, no one has been held directly accountable. 35 00:01:36,380 --> 00:01:38,050 For many, including me, 36 00:01:38,140 --> 00:01:40,600 it has been a decades-long obsession. 37 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:45,940 ♪♪ 38 00:01:46,020 --> 00:01:51,360 ♪♪ 39 00:01:53,650 --> 00:01:55,570 [vehicles passing, indistinct conversations] 40 00:01:55,650 --> 00:01:57,070 [car horn honks] 41 00:01:57,150 --> 00:01:58,910 ♪♪ 42 00:01:58,990 --> 00:02:02,080 [Richard Pryor] Listen, addiction, it's a monster. 43 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:03,490 Well, I'll tell you one thing, man. 44 00:02:03,580 --> 00:02:06,620 When that fire hits your ass, 45 00:02:06,710 --> 00:02:08,960 that will sober your ass up quickly. 46 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,090 [cheers and applause] 47 00:02:12,170 --> 00:02:14,260 [Michael] What was your interaction with Pryor? 48 00:02:14,340 --> 00:02:16,670 Isn't there a story about you warning Pryor 49 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:18,930 about the dangers of freebasing? 50 00:02:19,010 --> 00:02:19,970 Oh, yeah. 51 00:02:20,050 --> 00:02:22,260 ♪♪ 52 00:02:22,350 --> 00:02:25,770 We took off and went to Mulholland Drive. 53 00:02:25,850 --> 00:02:28,600 And we parked my gold Rolls-Royce, 54 00:02:28,690 --> 00:02:30,100 and he went in the back. -[lighter strikes] 55 00:02:30,190 --> 00:02:31,940 We had trays that would fold down. 56 00:02:32,020 --> 00:02:34,980 And he was freebasing, and he'd light that pipe up. 57 00:02:35,070 --> 00:02:37,610 Yeah, he even worked it into his act. 58 00:02:37,700 --> 00:02:40,280 You got a light? Match? 59 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:41,950 -Thank you. -[man] Don't do it! 60 00:02:42,030 --> 00:02:44,450 [chuckles] Say, watch out. 61 00:02:44,540 --> 00:02:46,620 And it was an ether base, 62 00:02:46,700 --> 00:02:48,120 so I said, "You got to be careful, Richard." 63 00:02:48,210 --> 00:02:53,460 And, uh, he didn't listen, and he blew himself up. 64 00:02:53,540 --> 00:02:55,500 Just strike the match like this. You say, "What's that?" 65 00:02:55,590 --> 00:02:57,550 "Richard Pryor running down the street." 66 00:02:57,630 --> 00:02:59,970 [laughter and applause] 67 00:03:00,050 --> 00:03:02,390 And, uh, that's when... 68 00:03:02,470 --> 00:03:05,810 it just exploded in Los Angeles. 69 00:03:05,890 --> 00:03:09,310 [man] Deputy District Attorney Jan Maurizi. 70 00:03:09,390 --> 00:03:13,650 You were a prosecutor of murders and major crimes 71 00:03:13,730 --> 00:03:15,360 in L.A. County in the 1980s, 72 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,070 so you kinda had a front row seat 73 00:03:17,150 --> 00:03:20,490 on what was happening in the worlds of crime, 74 00:03:20,570 --> 00:03:24,160 and especially this advent of crack cocaine. 75 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:28,700 In the '70s and early '80s, powder cocaine was king. 76 00:03:28,790 --> 00:03:32,210 ♪♪ 77 00:03:32,290 --> 00:03:36,090 But it was more the drug of choice for the elite, 78 00:03:36,170 --> 00:03:39,340 so it was sort of that segment of the population 79 00:03:39,420 --> 00:03:40,880 in those early days. 80 00:03:40,970 --> 00:03:44,010 By the early 1980s, 81 00:03:44,090 --> 00:03:46,850 they wanted an opportunity and the ability 82 00:03:46,930 --> 00:03:48,600 to increase profitability, 83 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:53,560 and so they came up with a way to create crack cocaine. 84 00:03:55,190 --> 00:03:57,020 Crack cocaine was something 85 00:03:57,110 --> 00:03:59,900 that they could take a small amount of powder cocaine, 86 00:03:59,980 --> 00:04:02,700 mix it with baking soda and water, 87 00:04:02,780 --> 00:04:04,410 and cook it at a high temperature 88 00:04:04,490 --> 00:04:07,530 until it sort of crystallized and became crack. 89 00:04:07,620 --> 00:04:11,370 And then when it cooled, they could break off the rocks 90 00:04:11,460 --> 00:04:14,540 so they could sell them to the population. 91 00:04:14,630 --> 00:04:17,380 Their cost was much less. They had much more product. 92 00:04:17,460 --> 00:04:20,460 And that's when I saw it going into 93 00:04:20,550 --> 00:04:24,220 the lower and sort of middle class communities. 94 00:04:24,300 --> 00:04:26,890 So that's when the epidemic really took off, 95 00:04:26,970 --> 00:04:29,600 the early to mid '80s. 96 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,730 [reporter] Crack -- a kind of cocaine, a powerful mind bender 97 00:04:32,810 --> 00:04:35,810 and increasingly popular and deadly. 98 00:04:35,900 --> 00:04:37,480 [reporter #2] Today, crack cocaine use here 99 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,780 is an epidemic, up 200% in the last year. 100 00:04:41,860 --> 00:04:43,400 Good evening. 101 00:04:43,490 --> 00:04:45,240 Drugs are menacing our society. 102 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:46,820 They're threatening our values 103 00:04:46,910 --> 00:04:48,950 and undercutting our institutions. 104 00:04:49,030 --> 00:04:51,790 Today, there's a drug and alcohol abuse epidemic, 105 00:04:51,870 --> 00:04:54,460 in this country, and no one is safe from it. 106 00:04:54,540 --> 00:04:57,580 The casual user cannot morally escape responsibility 107 00:04:57,670 --> 00:05:01,460 for the action of drug traffickers and dealings. 108 00:05:01,550 --> 00:05:03,920 There's a trail of death and destruction 109 00:05:04,010 --> 00:05:06,640 that leads directly to his door. 110 00:05:08,260 --> 00:05:10,350 I like these glasses. They're nice. 111 00:05:10,430 --> 00:05:13,430 Tell me about the wave of crack 112 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:14,980 that came to Los Angeles. 113 00:05:15,060 --> 00:05:17,770 Eddie Nash was the granddaddy of crack. 114 00:05:17,860 --> 00:05:19,860 He introduced it to Hollywood. 115 00:05:19,940 --> 00:05:22,480 He sold it through the nightclubs. 116 00:05:22,570 --> 00:05:26,950 He had me making the crack. I would do the cooking for him. 117 00:05:27,030 --> 00:05:29,660 We would cook in these big gallon mayonnaise jars, 118 00:05:29,740 --> 00:05:31,700 and they're called "the cookie." "Make the cookie." 119 00:05:31,790 --> 00:05:33,830 And then cut them up, and then we'd sell them 120 00:05:33,910 --> 00:05:35,160 through the nightclubs and all that. 121 00:05:35,250 --> 00:05:38,960 You guys were involved in crack so early 122 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,380 that law enforcement didn't really understand 123 00:05:41,460 --> 00:05:42,840 what was going on with that. 124 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,800 ♪♪ 125 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,380 One day, I was driving, 126 00:05:46,470 --> 00:05:48,300 and I was going up to Eddie Nash, 127 00:05:48,390 --> 00:05:50,300 and I had this big, round rock... 128 00:05:50,390 --> 00:05:52,220 [siren wails] 129 00:05:52,310 --> 00:05:54,980 ...and I was pulled over and they searched the car. 130 00:05:55,060 --> 00:05:56,520 And they said, "What the hell is this?" 131 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,400 And they put it on the hood of the car. 132 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,900 I said, "I don't know. I found that in my brother's house." 133 00:06:00,980 --> 00:06:02,690 I was going to point to it, and he slapped my hand, 134 00:06:02,780 --> 00:06:06,990 and the crack went flying off the hood of the car. 135 00:06:07,070 --> 00:06:09,160 They didn't know what was up. 136 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,830 It wasn't until, um, the gang members, 137 00:06:12,910 --> 00:06:15,330 the Bloods, the Crips, started selling it. 138 00:06:15,410 --> 00:06:17,000 Here, off an ounce of dope, 139 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:21,210 I can make anywhere from $1,100 to $1,200. 140 00:06:21,290 --> 00:06:23,170 And then we're killing each other over it. 141 00:06:23,250 --> 00:06:25,170 [man] Another guy hit over there, too. 142 00:06:25,260 --> 00:06:27,170 [man #2] We know about him. He's just his leg. 143 00:06:27,260 --> 00:06:29,590 That's...That's what started it all. 144 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,550 This guy's hit in the chest. 145 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,430 It's real bad. 146 00:06:33,510 --> 00:06:36,770 People dying over nothing, man. 147 00:06:36,850 --> 00:06:39,270 So your 10, 11 years in Hollywood 148 00:06:39,350 --> 00:06:42,610 matched the rise of crack cocaine. 149 00:06:42,690 --> 00:06:44,530 -Yeah. -...and that epidemic 150 00:06:44,610 --> 00:06:48,110 that really destroyed certain levels of society. 151 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,950 The drug trade is bringing in gobs and gobs of money, 152 00:06:52,030 --> 00:06:54,410 and everybody's got guns 153 00:06:54,490 --> 00:06:56,370 because they're carrying a lot of money. 154 00:06:56,450 --> 00:06:57,700 They're carrying a lot of drugs. 155 00:06:57,790 --> 00:06:59,920 There's protection, and both sides have that. 156 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,090 It's ripe for shootouts and -- and murders. 157 00:07:03,170 --> 00:07:05,130 And -- And the same thing was going on 158 00:07:05,210 --> 00:07:06,710 in Hollywood at that time. 159 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,050 It just -- All the pieces of the puzzle 160 00:07:10,130 --> 00:07:13,720 were there to be put together to explode with violence. 161 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,270 And I got brought in to the homicide unit 162 00:07:16,350 --> 00:07:18,730 just to help try to control the problem. 163 00:07:18,810 --> 00:07:21,150 ♪♪ 164 00:07:21,230 --> 00:07:25,150 [camera shutter clicking] 165 00:07:25,230 --> 00:07:27,780 [Michael] The granddaddy of this crack epidemic, 166 00:07:27,860 --> 00:07:30,400 Eddie Nash, was facing trial for the drug charges 167 00:07:30,490 --> 00:07:32,280 that resulted from the cocaine found 168 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,450 during the raids of his home and businesses. 169 00:07:35,530 --> 00:07:37,910 Were there any special challenges on the drug trial, 170 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,960 or did you feel like you were going in, 171 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,080 uh, to get that victory? 172 00:07:42,170 --> 00:07:43,750 It's a bread-and-butter trial. 173 00:07:43,830 --> 00:07:46,340 There's just nothing that could be raised. 174 00:07:46,420 --> 00:07:49,760 Drugs are found in is safe in the house. 175 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,430 Diles shoots at the deputy sheriffs. 176 00:07:53,510 --> 00:07:56,100 I wasn't sweating this too badly. 177 00:07:56,180 --> 00:08:00,980 Anytime you're dealing with 12 jurors, nothing is assured. 178 00:08:01,060 --> 00:08:03,770 Not wanting to leave anything to chance, 179 00:08:03,850 --> 00:08:05,520 in a bold move, Eddie Nash approached 180 00:08:05,610 --> 00:08:08,530 Tom Lange and Bob Souza. 181 00:08:08,610 --> 00:08:10,940 [Souza] Nash actually attempted to bribe Tom and I 182 00:08:11,030 --> 00:08:12,820 in the courthouse 183 00:08:12,910 --> 00:08:15,950 20 feet from his attorneys. 184 00:08:16,030 --> 00:08:17,450 He said, "Hey, you guys are homicide guys. 185 00:08:17,530 --> 00:08:19,120 What's it gonna take to make this go away, you know? 186 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:20,830 I got to get rid of these drug cases. 187 00:08:20,910 --> 00:08:22,330 How about a quarter of a million each?" 188 00:08:22,410 --> 00:08:25,500 And when we heard that, we thought, 189 00:08:25,580 --> 00:08:27,460 "How many people can you buy 190 00:08:27,540 --> 00:08:29,630 for a quarter of a million dollars in 1982?" 191 00:08:29,710 --> 00:08:31,300 And, you know, I mean, 192 00:08:31,380 --> 00:08:33,130 he had to have a lot of people on the street. 193 00:08:33,220 --> 00:08:35,640 [indistinct conversations] 194 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,680 [reporter] The jury deliberated for less than a day. 195 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,510 And when the verdict was read this morning, 196 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,680 Eddie Nash didn't seem surprised. 197 00:08:41,770 --> 00:08:44,730 He was found guilty of seven counts of possessing drugs, 198 00:08:44,810 --> 00:08:46,690 two of those counts with intent to sell -- 199 00:08:46,770 --> 00:08:48,230 each a felony. 200 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,480 [Michael] Judge Rix sentenced Nash 201 00:08:50,570 --> 00:08:52,570 to the maximum of eight years... 202 00:08:52,650 --> 00:08:54,030 [cell door clanking] 203 00:08:54,110 --> 00:08:57,030 ...plus a fine of more than $120,000. 204 00:08:59,580 --> 00:09:02,330 At this point, Scott Thorson was merely a name 205 00:09:02,410 --> 00:09:04,000 that had been passed to investigators 206 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:05,540 by the sheriff's department, 207 00:09:05,620 --> 00:09:07,380 which had Nash's house under surveillance 208 00:09:07,460 --> 00:09:09,840 prior to the Wonderland murders. 209 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,840 Thorson was seen, along with many others, 210 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:16,180 going into the house, presumably to buy drugs. 211 00:09:16,260 --> 00:09:18,680 We'd heard of Scott Thorson because, 212 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,850 uh, we knew that he was at Nash's place early on. 213 00:09:22,930 --> 00:09:25,190 Somebody that we wanted to talk to. 214 00:09:25,270 --> 00:09:27,190 Well, he wouldn't talk to us. 215 00:09:27,270 --> 00:09:29,190 Everybody kept coming to me, and I wouldn't -- 216 00:09:29,270 --> 00:09:30,360 I wouldn't talk about it. 217 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,190 [chuckles] I -- I was scared to death. 218 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,400 I knew too much. 219 00:09:35,490 --> 00:09:38,620 So about sometime in '82, he goes off... 220 00:09:38,700 --> 00:09:40,950 -To prison. -...to prison, 221 00:09:41,030 --> 00:09:41,950 so what were you doing then? 222 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,700 When he went to jail, 223 00:09:43,790 --> 00:09:47,710 I then took over and I became involved in running drugs. 224 00:09:47,790 --> 00:09:50,380 I became a big Hollywood drug lord myself. 225 00:09:50,460 --> 00:09:52,710 I went into another organized crime family 226 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,220 with the -- called the BGF, the Black Guerilla Family. 227 00:09:55,300 --> 00:09:57,380 I was the only white member there. 228 00:09:57,470 --> 00:09:59,550 And we ran coke -- crack houses. 229 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:03,770 ♪♪ 230 00:10:03,850 --> 00:10:06,730 When Eddie was gone, did you kind of 231 00:10:06,810 --> 00:10:08,230 forge new bonds? 232 00:10:08,310 --> 00:10:09,900 You're with a couple people 233 00:10:09,980 --> 00:10:11,900 that were Black Guerilla Family. 234 00:10:11,980 --> 00:10:13,400 This was like a whole new distribution branch 235 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,070 for the Eddie Nash operation? 236 00:10:16,150 --> 00:10:18,280 Oh, yeah. Yeah, this was huge. 237 00:10:19,660 --> 00:10:21,410 [Michael] The Black Guerilla Family. 238 00:10:21,490 --> 00:10:22,660 -[Rick] Right. -Can you kind of explain 239 00:10:22,740 --> 00:10:24,750 who and what that organization is? 240 00:10:24,830 --> 00:10:28,830 Yeah, it's, uh, it's one of the main four prison gangs. 241 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,790 It started in California, like so many gangs do. 242 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,340 And it was a Black Power gang in prison. 243 00:10:37,420 --> 00:10:40,590 Was it surprising that here's this guy, Scott Thorson, 244 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:42,300 he's a white guy, 245 00:10:42,390 --> 00:10:44,010 and he's involved with the Black Guerilla Family? 246 00:10:44,100 --> 00:10:45,810 -Right. -Is that an unusual thing, 247 00:10:45,890 --> 00:10:47,270 or is it -- when it comes to drugs, 248 00:10:47,350 --> 00:10:49,440 is -- everyone's welcome? 249 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,480 With Scott Thorson, 250 00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:54,150 he had some prominent connections through Liberace. 251 00:10:54,230 --> 00:10:56,280 There were people from all layers of society 252 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,200 that were using cocaine back then. 253 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,610 It -- It didn't matter. 254 00:11:00,700 --> 00:11:02,280 And if they could infiltrate 255 00:11:02,370 --> 00:11:04,120 through a guy like Scott Thorson, 256 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,450 who had pretty decent connections, that would work. 257 00:11:07,540 --> 00:11:09,540 ♪♪ 258 00:11:09,620 --> 00:11:13,170 [Michael] But the BGF didn't start as a drug operation. 259 00:11:13,250 --> 00:11:17,300 The Black Guerilla Family started in the late 1960s 260 00:11:17,380 --> 00:11:21,970 in the prison system as a paramilitary organization, 261 00:11:22,050 --> 00:11:25,310 um, very politically involved. 262 00:11:25,390 --> 00:11:27,810 George Jackson was the founder. 263 00:11:27,890 --> 00:11:30,980 Here in prison, we see the repression, 264 00:11:31,060 --> 00:11:32,900 the exploitation, 265 00:11:32,980 --> 00:11:36,190 the -- the victimization of, uh, 266 00:11:36,270 --> 00:11:38,190 lower-class peoples. 267 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,990 Jackson was very Marxist and Leninist in his philosophy, 268 00:11:43,070 --> 00:11:46,660 much like the SLA and the Black Panthers. 269 00:11:46,740 --> 00:11:49,160 And so that, as I understand it, 270 00:11:49,250 --> 00:11:52,170 was part of the original beginnings. 271 00:11:52,250 --> 00:11:53,830 [indistinct shouting] 272 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:55,250 [reporter] Tension had been mounting here 273 00:11:55,340 --> 00:11:57,170 at San Quentin Prison for several months. 274 00:11:57,250 --> 00:11:59,170 On Saturday, August 21st, 275 00:11:59,260 --> 00:12:01,840 George Jackson was shot in circumstances 276 00:12:01,930 --> 00:12:04,180 which are, to say the least, mysterious. 277 00:12:04,260 --> 00:12:06,850 George Jackson was killed. 278 00:12:06,930 --> 00:12:08,520 So at that time, 279 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,020 a man by the name of Doc Holiday took over, 280 00:12:11,100 --> 00:12:13,900 and he had already had a drug business in Pasadena. 281 00:12:13,980 --> 00:12:17,900 And so he began to expand sort of the goals 282 00:12:17,980 --> 00:12:22,860 of the Black Guerilla Family into more profit making. 283 00:12:22,950 --> 00:12:24,950 [Michael] How did you meet Doc Holiday? 284 00:12:25,030 --> 00:12:27,780 Doc Holiday I met through a friend of mine 285 00:12:27,870 --> 00:12:29,200 that was a Blood. 286 00:12:29,290 --> 00:12:33,210 Doc Holiday went in partnership with me, 287 00:12:33,290 --> 00:12:35,540 and we took over these abandoned apartment buildings. 288 00:12:35,630 --> 00:12:37,460 We turned them into crack houses. 289 00:12:37,540 --> 00:12:41,470 It was the BGF and Bloods that worked together in these homes. 290 00:12:41,550 --> 00:12:44,550 [Jan] One of the things that the BGF did 291 00:12:44,630 --> 00:12:46,930 that was really pretty unique was 292 00:12:47,010 --> 00:12:47,970 there are Bloods, and there are Crips, 293 00:12:48,050 --> 00:12:49,890 and they are natural enemies. 294 00:12:49,970 --> 00:12:51,560 They were then. They are today. 295 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,480 But the Black Guerilla Family was able 296 00:12:53,560 --> 00:12:55,440 to recruit both of them. 297 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,810 ♪♪ 298 00:12:57,900 --> 00:13:00,900 [Scott] They'd be on the rooftops with walkie talkies, 299 00:13:00,980 --> 00:13:03,650 looking for police or any trouble that would come to them. 300 00:13:03,740 --> 00:13:05,910 -So it was like a whole system. -There's a whole system. 301 00:13:05,990 --> 00:13:07,740 We had two -- two of 302 00:13:07,820 --> 00:13:09,280 the biggest apartment buildings in Hollywood. 303 00:13:09,370 --> 00:13:11,790 We'd have people lined up for over a block. 304 00:13:13,500 --> 00:13:16,000 So you're in business with these guys. 305 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,000 You're not scared that... 306 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:19,920 -I was scared to death. -I mean, you're also an addict, 307 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,630 so it sounds like... -I was so far gone by then. 308 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,430 So far gone. I was just out of control. 309 00:13:26,510 --> 00:13:30,600 I was a mess. I slept with one eye open. 310 00:13:30,680 --> 00:13:35,940 ♪♪ 311 00:13:36,020 --> 00:13:37,600 [Michael] I remember when I first put 312 00:13:37,690 --> 00:13:39,020 the words "Black Guerilla Family" 313 00:13:39,110 --> 00:13:40,770 into a newspaper story. 314 00:13:40,860 --> 00:13:44,690 We had barely written about it at the LA Times. 315 00:13:44,780 --> 00:13:45,990 I thought it was an ego thing. 316 00:13:46,070 --> 00:13:47,360 I felt like the prince of the city. 317 00:13:47,450 --> 00:13:49,490 I'd be driving home over the elevated freeways 318 00:13:49,570 --> 00:13:51,280 over Hollywood, and I'd look out at the lights 319 00:13:51,370 --> 00:13:53,370 and say, "These things are going on, 320 00:13:53,450 --> 00:13:55,460 and do all those people behind those lights, 321 00:13:55,540 --> 00:13:58,670 do they even care, do they know about it?" 322 00:13:58,750 --> 00:14:01,290 By the early 1980s, 323 00:14:01,380 --> 00:14:03,460 the increased population of people 324 00:14:03,550 --> 00:14:08,550 who are addicted to drugs, it just all escalated. 325 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,850 The rise of crack, if you will, 326 00:14:10,930 --> 00:14:13,850 did that coincide with the rise of violent crime? 327 00:14:13,930 --> 00:14:16,140 Most definitely. Most definitely. 328 00:14:16,230 --> 00:14:18,810 [siren wailing police radio chatter] 329 00:14:18,890 --> 00:14:20,360 Stabbed three times. Then shot one time. 330 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,230 Left femur, one entrance wound, no exit. 331 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:24,990 [man] Yeah, there's another fella here 332 00:14:25,070 --> 00:14:26,360 that was where he was shot, shot in the face. He's dead. 333 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,570 And then we started to see 334 00:14:28,660 --> 00:14:30,990 multiple murders throughout the Black Guerilla Family 335 00:14:31,070 --> 00:14:32,870 and throughout the San Fernando Valley, 336 00:14:32,950 --> 00:14:36,330 which ultimately led up to the quadruple murder 337 00:14:36,410 --> 00:14:37,540 that I'm most familiar with. 338 00:14:37,620 --> 00:14:39,670 ♪♪ 339 00:14:39,750 --> 00:14:42,840 By the time we had put together this quadruple, 340 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,590 we had 58 murder books. 341 00:14:45,670 --> 00:14:48,170 You keep mentioning a quadruple, 342 00:14:48,260 --> 00:14:50,090 and you're not talking about Wonderland, right? 343 00:14:50,180 --> 00:14:51,680 That's correct. I'm not. 344 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,060 That was a quadruple homicide that took place 345 00:14:55,140 --> 00:14:58,940 that the Bryant Organization had orchestrated. 346 00:14:59,020 --> 00:15:00,730 You call it the Bryant Organization, 347 00:15:00,810 --> 00:15:04,900 but this was an organization that answered to Doc Holiday. 348 00:15:04,980 --> 00:15:06,530 Through Jeff Bryant. 349 00:15:06,610 --> 00:15:10,700 Jeff Bryant ordered hits on people. 350 00:15:10,780 --> 00:15:13,530 Yes. Two of the Bryant associates, 351 00:15:13,620 --> 00:15:16,370 James Brown and Andre Armstrong, got together. 352 00:15:16,450 --> 00:15:19,250 They decided that the Bryants owed them, 353 00:15:19,330 --> 00:15:22,080 and they were gonna demand their due. 354 00:15:22,170 --> 00:15:25,050 When they set up a meeting with them 355 00:15:25,130 --> 00:15:27,920 at one of the crack houses in Lakeview Terrace... 356 00:15:31,970 --> 00:15:35,760 ...unfortunately, they brought Andre's girlfriend, 357 00:15:35,850 --> 00:15:37,600 and she had two little kids with her -- 358 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,230 a three-year-old daughter and a one-year-old son. 359 00:15:41,310 --> 00:15:45,230 [Michael] As the two associates entered the crack house, 360 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,440 they were shot at point-blank range. 361 00:15:47,530 --> 00:15:49,990 [gunshot fires] 362 00:15:50,070 --> 00:15:53,240 Waiting outside in the car, the girlfriend and her daughter 363 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,120 were both shot in the back of the head. 364 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,410 [gunshots fire] 365 00:15:58,500 --> 00:16:00,660 ♪♪ 366 00:16:00,750 --> 00:16:04,250 Four people were killed in Lakeview Terrace. 367 00:16:04,330 --> 00:16:06,750 I wrote about it a lot, but I never knew what -- 368 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,090 if my stories had any impact 369 00:16:09,170 --> 00:16:10,590 or increased the knowledge of the community 370 00:16:10,670 --> 00:16:12,430 of what's going on about this cancer 371 00:16:12,510 --> 00:16:14,800 that was at the center of the community. 372 00:16:14,890 --> 00:16:17,100 Here you have a quadruple murder 373 00:16:17,180 --> 00:16:19,470 that's not getting a whole lot of attention. 374 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,850 Then the flip side is Wonderland is still a crime of fascination. 375 00:16:23,940 --> 00:16:26,610 It's kind of hit the upper pantheon 376 00:16:26,690 --> 00:16:30,110 of famous Los Angeles crimes. 377 00:16:30,190 --> 00:16:32,110 I certainly remember just as a citizen 378 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,120 reading about that -- multiple murders, 379 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,830 drugs, Laurel Canyon, and porn stars. 380 00:16:38,910 --> 00:16:41,620 But it really wasn't 381 00:16:41,710 --> 00:16:45,290 until I began to see this -- sort of the correlation 382 00:16:45,380 --> 00:16:48,130 between the elite powder cocaine 383 00:16:48,210 --> 00:16:52,630 and then the lower-class, middle-class crack cocaine, 384 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,140 and how they were sort of 385 00:16:55,220 --> 00:16:57,930 two sides of the same coin, in a sense. 386 00:16:59,310 --> 00:17:00,720 [man] What are you doing? 387 00:17:00,810 --> 00:17:03,850 Smoking some crack. 'Cause I like it. 388 00:17:06,060 --> 00:17:07,810 [man] I love cocaine, 389 00:17:07,900 --> 00:17:10,150 and I couldn't wait to get out of college 390 00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:11,530 and start working and making money 391 00:17:11,610 --> 00:17:13,700 'cause I wanted to live that lifestyle. 392 00:17:13,780 --> 00:17:16,070 [man #2] You don't become known smoking crack. 393 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:19,740 You become shit. 394 00:17:19,830 --> 00:17:21,410 Who's buying it? 395 00:17:21,490 --> 00:17:22,750 People, man. Who you think? 396 00:17:22,830 --> 00:17:24,500 The stockbrokers, the lawyers, 397 00:17:24,580 --> 00:17:25,540 the people with the money. 398 00:17:25,620 --> 00:17:27,670 It's not -- It's not a party 399 00:17:27,750 --> 00:17:29,210 unless there's drugs or drinking. 400 00:17:29,290 --> 00:17:33,170 [chuckles] 401 00:17:33,260 --> 00:17:35,510 I don't know why I do it. 402 00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:36,890 Maybe the addiction. 403 00:17:36,970 --> 00:17:41,060 ♪♪ 404 00:17:41,140 --> 00:17:43,020 The addiction is what it is. 405 00:17:43,100 --> 00:17:46,190 ♪♪ 406 00:17:46,270 --> 00:17:48,520 It was horrible. 407 00:17:48,610 --> 00:17:52,530 That drug, it makes people evil. 408 00:17:52,610 --> 00:17:54,530 It's one of the worst drugs I've ever done. 409 00:17:54,610 --> 00:17:57,910 People lose their lives over this. 410 00:17:57,990 --> 00:18:00,530 They become insane. 411 00:18:00,620 --> 00:18:02,540 They become tweakers, and that's all they want 412 00:18:02,620 --> 00:18:04,450 is that drug, and they chase it. 413 00:18:04,540 --> 00:18:07,620 They will sell their mother's ass on the street if they could. 414 00:18:07,710 --> 00:18:08,880 And they would. 415 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:10,920 I had a lady come up to me one day, 416 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,550 and she had two little babies. 417 00:18:13,630 --> 00:18:15,630 She offered to sell her babies to me. 418 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,090 I said, "How dare you? 419 00:18:17,180 --> 00:18:18,930 How could you do that to your own children?" 420 00:18:19,010 --> 00:18:20,550 -It broke my heart. -And you say that now, 421 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,720 but when this was all happening in the '80s, 422 00:18:23,810 --> 00:18:25,770 and Los Angeles had 423 00:18:25,850 --> 00:18:28,100 the highest rate of homicide it's ever had... 424 00:18:28,190 --> 00:18:29,600 Yeah. 425 00:18:29,690 --> 00:18:32,320 ...you're cooking this stuff. Did it never -- 426 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,570 Did you make that connection, or did you say... 427 00:18:34,650 --> 00:18:36,610 -You know something? -..."What did we start?" 428 00:18:36,690 --> 00:18:40,070 I was so far gone and making so much money. 429 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,580 I'm not proud of it, and I have regrets. 430 00:18:43,660 --> 00:18:45,620 But I did it to survive. 431 00:18:45,700 --> 00:18:51,250 ♪♪ 432 00:18:51,330 --> 00:18:53,340 [Michael] As the drug wars raged, 433 00:18:53,420 --> 00:18:56,260 and with the Holmes acquittal long in the rearview mirror, 434 00:18:56,340 --> 00:18:59,300 the Wonderland case was at a standstill. 435 00:18:59,380 --> 00:19:04,100 ♪♪ 436 00:19:04,180 --> 00:19:08,770 ♪♪ 437 00:19:08,850 --> 00:19:12,150 [man] Mitzi Roberts, LAPD cold case detective. Mark. 438 00:19:13,690 --> 00:19:16,320 When you, um, look at a cold case, 439 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,110 there's something like 6,000 unsolved murders in Los Angeles. 440 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,530 What is the protocol or what is the checklist 441 00:19:22,620 --> 00:19:25,290 that you're looking for in order to open up a case 442 00:19:25,370 --> 00:19:26,950 that's 43 years old? 443 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,960 There's really no checklist. 444 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,960 I mean, obviously, if it's self-initiated, 445 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,630 I'm going to try and find a case that has evidence 446 00:19:34,710 --> 00:19:37,460 that's gonna solve the case -- DNA, fingerprints. 447 00:19:37,550 --> 00:19:41,470 Now, with genetic genealogy, I mean, that's the game changer. 448 00:19:41,550 --> 00:19:43,550 That's the face of -- of investigations, 449 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,680 especially cold cases. 450 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,640 I've always known about the Wonderland murders, 451 00:19:48,730 --> 00:19:50,480 the Laurel Canyon murders. 452 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,560 To our benefit, it's a hands-on crime. 453 00:19:52,650 --> 00:19:53,980 It's not like a shooting. 454 00:19:54,060 --> 00:19:56,520 It's not like, you know, an execution with a gun. 455 00:19:56,610 --> 00:19:59,320 So every time they're coming down, um, if there's -- 456 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,070 Blood's flying. Blood, blood, blood. 457 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,660 Even then, you're gonna need a lot of circumstantial evidence 458 00:20:06,740 --> 00:20:08,910 from other people that were there. 459 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,160 Does the history of the case also, 460 00:20:11,250 --> 00:20:13,670 uh, not intimidate, but give you pause? 461 00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:15,500 Yeah, it -- it does give me pause, 462 00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:18,170 because some of the best detectives and DAs 463 00:20:18,250 --> 00:20:20,010 that I've known in my career 464 00:20:20,090 --> 00:20:22,720 have already put everything into this case. 465 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,100 So why is this case still so interesting 466 00:20:26,180 --> 00:20:28,010 that people want to know about it? 467 00:20:28,100 --> 00:20:29,680 Why is this case still in the zeitgeist? 468 00:20:29,770 --> 00:20:31,770 First of all, people love Hollywood 469 00:20:31,850 --> 00:20:33,270 all throughout the country, 470 00:20:33,350 --> 00:20:35,900 and this is a great Hollywood mystery. 471 00:20:35,980 --> 00:20:37,940 It's like the Black Dahlia. 472 00:20:38,020 --> 00:20:40,440 As someone who makes up a lot of my stories, 473 00:20:40,530 --> 00:20:42,950 yeah, having a good villain is important. 474 00:20:43,030 --> 00:20:46,950 I think Eddie Nash emerged as a really good villain. 475 00:20:47,030 --> 00:20:48,700 -Yeah. -And of course, 476 00:20:48,790 --> 00:20:51,040 it's somebody who, our villain, 477 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:53,540 a real life villain came out here 478 00:20:53,620 --> 00:20:55,380 to be a make-believe guy, to be an actor. 479 00:20:55,460 --> 00:20:56,920 Yeah. 480 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,960 So it's like a "only in Hollywood" story. 481 00:21:01,050 --> 00:21:02,420 It's got its fingers in everything 482 00:21:02,510 --> 00:21:04,630 we know about Hollywood. 483 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,550 You know, we got a porn star as a suspect... 484 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,810 drugs and money and Liberace, 485 00:21:10,890 --> 00:21:13,270 Hollywood nightclubs, and everything 486 00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:16,560 we know of what the '70s and the '80s were in Hollywood, 487 00:21:16,650 --> 00:21:19,730 this mystery has. 488 00:21:19,820 --> 00:21:21,400 That's what I love about cold cases. 489 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:25,450 It's like a time machine. 490 00:21:25,530 --> 00:21:28,070 What seemed so brutal when this murder happened 491 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,830 we've seen so much since then. 492 00:21:30,910 --> 00:21:34,960 The late '80s were a killing field in Los Angeles. 493 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:39,790 [siren wailing in distance] 494 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:44,670 ♪♪ 495 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,090 [Michael] Okay, so some years go by, 496 00:21:47,180 --> 00:21:51,140 and this case looks like it's gone forever, probably. 497 00:21:51,220 --> 00:21:55,350 Yeah. We moved on to these other cases. 498 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,270 You've got to prioritize 'em. 499 00:21:57,350 --> 00:22:00,360 You have the Hillside Strangler with these young girls 500 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,480 who are getting kidnapped, brutalized, 501 00:22:02,570 --> 00:22:05,860 raped and dumped over the hills of L.A., 502 00:22:05,950 --> 00:22:08,110 and then you throw in the two or three 503 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,700 different Skid Row serial killings 504 00:22:10,780 --> 00:22:13,660 that we had at the time, Slasher, Stabber. 505 00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:17,290 30 or 40 derelicts down there were knifed to death 506 00:22:17,370 --> 00:22:19,960 over a period of five or six years. 507 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,000 ♪♪ 508 00:22:23,090 --> 00:22:25,300 [Michael] And it's in the midst of these other cases 509 00:22:25,380 --> 00:22:27,680 that Lange and Souza's professional lives 510 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,140 were about to be turned upside down 511 00:22:30,220 --> 00:22:32,140 when Souza made a routine check-in 512 00:22:32,220 --> 00:22:34,640 on the Wonderland case. 513 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,980 There was a concerted effort to smear you guys. 514 00:22:39,060 --> 00:22:40,350 Yeah. 515 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,150 You discovered this whole thing, right, 516 00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:44,320 when you come into the office after hours or something? 517 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,860 Yeah. By that time, the murder book, 518 00:22:46,940 --> 00:22:51,910 we had four volumes of thick three-ring binders. 519 00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:54,990 That night I went to get the folders, 520 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,580 the entire case was gone. 521 00:22:58,410 --> 00:23:02,670 All four folders were missing. 522 00:23:02,750 --> 00:23:05,340 Our captain happened to be there late. 523 00:23:05,420 --> 00:23:07,170 I said, "Hey, Cap. I got a problem." 524 00:23:07,260 --> 00:23:09,260 I said, "Our Laurel Canyon case is missing. 525 00:23:09,340 --> 00:23:11,180 I wonder where it's gone." 526 00:23:11,260 --> 00:23:13,390 He says, uh, "Sit down a minute, Bob." 527 00:23:13,470 --> 00:23:15,680 And I knew something was up, 528 00:23:15,770 --> 00:23:18,020 and I said, "No, no, what's going on?" 529 00:23:18,100 --> 00:23:20,190 He said, "There's been a -- 530 00:23:20,270 --> 00:23:22,860 a chief special Internal Affairs investigation 531 00:23:22,940 --> 00:23:25,400 against you and Tom." 532 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,900 I said, "For what?" 533 00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:29,700 He said, "Well, there's allegations 534 00:23:29,780 --> 00:23:33,370 that you two were, uh, were on the take, 535 00:23:33,450 --> 00:23:36,200 and Nash is paying you guys off. 536 00:23:36,290 --> 00:23:37,370 That's why you haven't arrested him. 537 00:23:37,450 --> 00:23:39,370 Because you're on his payroll." 538 00:23:39,460 --> 00:23:42,380 I said, "Jesus." I said, "I don't believe this shit." 539 00:23:42,460 --> 00:23:45,880 And I mean, I lost it. I said, "Cap, this is bullshit." 540 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,710 -[chuckles] -So I stormed out. 541 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,800 I called Tom at home, and I said, "Tom, you sitting down?" 542 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,720 And I could tell on the other -- I could feel -- 543 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,560 I could feel the heat coming off of Tom. 544 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,060 [Michael] According to documents 545 00:23:59,140 --> 00:24:00,980 in the internal investigation file, 546 00:24:01,060 --> 00:24:04,270 an agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms 547 00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:08,230 was the source of the complaint against Lange and Souza. 548 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,110 His name was Henry Hoskins. 549 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,490 ♪♪ 550 00:24:13,570 --> 00:24:15,120 [Tom] Henry Hoskins' office 551 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,990 with the Organized Crime Strike Force 552 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,410 is right across the street from Parker Center, where we were. 553 00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:21,750 One afternoon, he came walking across the street 554 00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:23,920 into our office and introduced himself. 555 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,630 And he was there on a fishing expedition. 556 00:24:25,710 --> 00:24:29,420 Yeah. He's kind of an intimidating type of individual. 557 00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:32,430 He says, "We'd like to know about your investigation, 558 00:24:32,510 --> 00:24:36,260 what you have, as it probably ties in with us." 559 00:24:36,350 --> 00:24:37,970 Unbeknownst to us, 560 00:24:38,060 --> 00:24:42,020 he's a federal agent, but he's also working with Ed Nash. 561 00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:46,650 He's dirty. He's a dirty fed. 562 00:24:46,730 --> 00:24:48,770 We didn't know that at the time. 563 00:24:48,860 --> 00:24:50,820 He's trying to get what he can from us. 564 00:24:50,900 --> 00:24:53,610 We gave him nothing. 565 00:24:53,700 --> 00:24:55,530 [Michael] The investigation into Lange and Souza 566 00:24:55,620 --> 00:24:57,120 never leaked to the public, 567 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,950 but it hung over the two detectives 568 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,290 and the case for more than a year. 569 00:25:01,370 --> 00:25:03,120 Here we are, doing the best we can 570 00:25:03,210 --> 00:25:06,210 to solve a quadruple murder, and we're being followed. 571 00:25:06,290 --> 00:25:07,960 Find out we're being surveilled. 572 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,130 Um, they're checking everything we did. 573 00:25:10,210 --> 00:25:15,050 Every entry in our log is being analyzed. 574 00:25:15,130 --> 00:25:16,970 Now who do we trust? We have no idea. 575 00:25:17,050 --> 00:25:20,970 Hoskins was probably dialed in all the way up to the mayor. 576 00:25:21,060 --> 00:25:24,890 ♪♪ 577 00:25:24,980 --> 00:25:27,810 During that time, with just two and a half years 578 00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:29,520 of a seven-year sentence served, 579 00:25:29,610 --> 00:25:32,490 Nash claims to have developed a sinus tumor 580 00:25:32,570 --> 00:25:35,530 and petitioned to be released to get medical treatment. 581 00:25:35,610 --> 00:25:38,240 ♪♪ 582 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,870 And the judge cut the sentence... 583 00:25:41,950 --> 00:25:43,410 made him eligible for immediate parole. 584 00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:45,080 I was astounded! 585 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,670 Is this the same judge that maxed him out? 586 00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:49,710 What happened?! 587 00:25:49,790 --> 00:25:53,710 You know, I was amazed. 588 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:59,180 He gets out of prison... and never had surgery. 589 00:25:59,260 --> 00:26:02,520 He was released because of a tumor. 590 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,560 Did you know that to be a true story? 591 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:05,890 No. [chuckles] 592 00:26:05,980 --> 00:26:07,190 He never had an operation afterwards. 593 00:26:07,270 --> 00:26:09,400 No, but he had lung problems. 594 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,570 I do know that. From smoking that crack. 595 00:26:12,650 --> 00:26:14,900 [Michael] Was there anything you could do about that? 596 00:26:14,990 --> 00:26:19,030 It's over. It's done. 597 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:22,290 Judge Rix sentenced Nash to eight years in prison. 598 00:26:22,370 --> 00:26:25,040 He didn't serve but two years, and Rix let him out. 599 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:27,620 It just -- It was just unbelievable. 600 00:26:27,710 --> 00:26:30,380 [siren wailing in distance] 601 00:26:30,460 --> 00:26:32,040 [Michael] With Nash out of prison, 602 00:26:32,130 --> 00:26:34,460 it was back to business as usual. 603 00:26:34,550 --> 00:26:38,090 [reporter] The Odyssey is a popular teenage nightclub. 604 00:26:38,180 --> 00:26:41,470 Teens can dance here until 4:00 in the morning on weekdays 605 00:26:41,550 --> 00:26:43,390 and 5:00 a.m. on weekends. 606 00:26:43,470 --> 00:26:46,230 No liquor is served, but the kids are out very late, 607 00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:47,980 and they're causing problems. 608 00:26:48,060 --> 00:26:52,150 The Odyssey eventually became an under-21 club 609 00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:54,570 because the liquor license was lost. 610 00:26:54,650 --> 00:26:56,740 Eddie Nash made it into a club 611 00:26:56,820 --> 00:26:59,320 where young, young people could come. 612 00:26:59,410 --> 00:27:01,120 13-, 14-year-olds. 613 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,990 Drugs were everywhere. 614 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,620 The main purpose for the clubs was 615 00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:08,080 that's where he sold the crack and the cocaine, 616 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,460 especially at The Odyssey. 617 00:27:09,540 --> 00:27:12,750 He had -- In the office were pounds of cocaine 618 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,420 that he would sell to the kids that came in. 619 00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:17,630 [1980s synthesizer music playing] 620 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,680 [reporter] About 50 teenagers demonstrated in front 621 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,850 of The Odyssey nightclub near West Hollywood today. 622 00:27:22,930 --> 00:27:25,140 The Odyssey's dance permit was revoked earlier this week 623 00:27:25,220 --> 00:27:26,600 by the police commission 624 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,140 following neighbors' complaints about the kids. 625 00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:30,810 The spokesman for the club says the owner plans 626 00:27:30,900 --> 00:27:33,440 to appeal the decision that revoked the club's dance permit. 627 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,690 We've been here nine years. 628 00:27:35,780 --> 00:27:37,360 We've never had an arrest on a location in nine years 629 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,110 or any violations. 630 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,780 [Scott] Chris Cox was a big supplier for Nash. 631 00:27:41,860 --> 00:27:44,330 I thought he always owned The Odyssey, 632 00:27:44,410 --> 00:27:46,830 but I understand that it was Nash that owned it. 633 00:27:46,910 --> 00:27:50,460 [Michael] Facing continued pressure from the neighbors 634 00:27:50,540 --> 00:27:52,630 and the police commission and losing money, 635 00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:55,290 The Odyssey closed its doors. 636 00:27:55,380 --> 00:27:56,840 [door closes] 637 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,050 [reporter] The buildings were mostly empty 638 00:27:59,130 --> 00:28:02,470 and were scheduled to be auctioned off the end of April. 639 00:28:02,550 --> 00:28:05,510 [siren wailing, fire crackling] 640 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,140 Arson investigators are looking into a fire 641 00:28:07,220 --> 00:28:08,970 that broke out late today 642 00:28:09,060 --> 00:28:10,980 at the controversial Odyssey nightclub. 643 00:28:11,060 --> 00:28:15,150 Witnesses in the area saw people throw some type of liquid 644 00:28:15,230 --> 00:28:17,320 into the front of the building and ignite the fire 645 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,150 at the front portion of the building. 646 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,200 [Michael] Neither Eddie Nash, 647 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,530 nor anyone else, for that matter, 648 00:28:23,610 --> 00:28:27,330 was ever charged in the arson of The Odyssey. 649 00:28:27,410 --> 00:28:29,700 But when there's smoke, there's fire. 650 00:28:29,790 --> 00:28:31,660 ♪♪ 651 00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:35,500 In federal custody, they have Henry Hoskins snitch. 652 00:28:35,580 --> 00:28:37,170 He's one of the guys 653 00:28:37,250 --> 00:28:39,420 who was setting the arson fires for Nash. 654 00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:41,670 "You see Nash, the puppet master here?" 655 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,850 Okay, so back to the investigation into you guys. 656 00:28:45,930 --> 00:28:49,930 It's easy to say, "Who's behind this? 657 00:28:50,020 --> 00:28:51,520 Nash is behind this." 658 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,850 But how did you -- how did you prove that? 659 00:28:53,940 --> 00:28:58,900 What happened to Hoskins that revealed the puppet master? 660 00:28:58,980 --> 00:29:02,900 Hoskins left the feds during this investigation. 661 00:29:02,990 --> 00:29:05,530 They knew he was dirty. He left. 662 00:29:05,610 --> 00:29:07,410 He opens the private investigator business 663 00:29:07,490 --> 00:29:09,370 on Sunset Boulevard. 664 00:29:09,450 --> 00:29:12,410 He uses Ed Nash's nightclub, the Seven Seas, as his address. 665 00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:14,210 ♪♪ 666 00:29:14,290 --> 00:29:16,750 [chuckles] 667 00:29:16,830 --> 00:29:20,250 And his office is upstairs from Nash's business. 668 00:29:20,340 --> 00:29:21,880 ♪♪ 669 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,760 Now we know that he's connected to Ed Nash. 670 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:27,720 ♪♪ 671 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,220 With Nash, 672 00:29:29,310 --> 00:29:33,730 imagine being that type of guy that was so comfortable 673 00:29:33,810 --> 00:29:37,060 trying to get investigators off of a case. 674 00:29:37,150 --> 00:29:41,480 That means it's worked for you several times before, right? 675 00:29:41,570 --> 00:29:43,740 This isn't just like, "I'm gonna try my luck at this." 676 00:29:43,820 --> 00:29:47,410 That is a, um, a different kind of villain. 677 00:29:47,490 --> 00:29:50,740 ♪♪ 678 00:29:50,830 --> 00:29:52,410 [Michael] So at the end of the day, 679 00:29:52,500 --> 00:29:55,410 with the investigation into you guys, 680 00:29:55,500 --> 00:30:00,090 they promulgate a...would you say four-inch-thick report? 681 00:30:00,170 --> 00:30:01,670 And it ends with one line saying... 682 00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:03,340 "Detectives Lange and Souza -- 683 00:30:03,420 --> 00:30:05,840 we could find no improprieties 684 00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:10,010 in the above referenced case." 685 00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:12,600 That was it. "No improprieties." 686 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,930 No apologies. That pissed us off. 687 00:30:15,020 --> 00:30:19,940 ♪♪ 688 00:30:20,020 --> 00:30:21,980 [wind howls] 689 00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:25,030 ♪♪ 690 00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:26,650 [Michael] Though back in business, 691 00:30:26,740 --> 00:30:29,450 Eddie Nash needed to take precautions. 692 00:30:29,530 --> 00:30:31,660 [Scott] He used to give me pounds of cocaine 693 00:30:31,740 --> 00:30:35,660 to take my condo in Studio City because he was in fear. 694 00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:39,880 He trusted me that I would not steal from him. 695 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,840 And then he'd call me and says, "Okay, I'm home. Bring it up." 696 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,460 And that's what I would do. 697 00:30:44,550 --> 00:30:47,630 While playing a role in the crack epidemic, 698 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,800 Scott finds himself reuniting with his former lover 699 00:30:50,890 --> 00:30:52,810 as the result of another epidemic 700 00:30:52,890 --> 00:30:55,180 that's sweeping the nation. 701 00:30:55,270 --> 00:30:59,020 [Scott] For a long time, we didn't speak, 702 00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:01,230 and I didn't see him other than in court 703 00:31:01,310 --> 00:31:03,070 or in depositions. 704 00:31:03,150 --> 00:31:07,990 And, uh, a reporter called me from Las Vegas 705 00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:09,660 and said that he's terribly ill, 706 00:31:09,740 --> 00:31:11,820 and there's a rumor that he's dying of AIDS. 707 00:31:11,910 --> 00:31:15,080 ♪♪ 708 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,710 [announcer] Liberace! 709 00:31:17,790 --> 00:31:21,000 [cheers and applause] 710 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,500 ♪♪ 711 00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:28,260 I flew to Radio City Music Hall, 712 00:31:28,340 --> 00:31:30,090 where he was performing 713 00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:32,010 with the Radio City Music Hall Rockettes. 714 00:31:32,090 --> 00:31:37,270 ♪♪ 715 00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:39,940 ["Clair de Lune" playing] 716 00:31:40,020 --> 00:31:43,730 It was one of his last shows... 717 00:31:43,810 --> 00:31:49,860 and, uh, backstage there were paramedics and oxygen tanks. 718 00:31:49,950 --> 00:31:51,070 He asked me a question. 719 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,200 He says, "Are you okay? You're healthy?" 720 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:54,580 I said, "Yeah, why?" 721 00:31:54,660 --> 00:31:57,450 ♪♪ 722 00:31:57,540 --> 00:31:59,370 He says, "I was just checking." 723 00:31:59,460 --> 00:32:03,420 ♪♪ 724 00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:08,260 So I went there, to his home. Palm Springs, California. 725 00:32:08,340 --> 00:32:09,880 ♪♪ 726 00:32:09,970 --> 00:32:12,050 I gave him a hug, and when I gave him a hug, 727 00:32:12,130 --> 00:32:13,550 I could feel the bones. 728 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,720 He was just a skeleton of what he was. 729 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,930 ♪♪ 730 00:32:18,020 --> 00:32:21,730 He went fast, so I proceeded to take care of him. 731 00:32:21,810 --> 00:32:23,270 We fed him his last meal. 732 00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:25,110 ♪♪ 733 00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:27,440 He died in my arms. 734 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,400 ♪♪ 735 00:32:31,490 --> 00:32:36,080 ["Clair de Lune" ends, applause] 736 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,200 [applause fades] 737 00:32:42,370 --> 00:32:44,960 [Michael] You wrote a book called Behind the Candelabra. 738 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,420 Yes. 739 00:32:46,500 --> 00:32:47,840 When did you start writing that? 740 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,170 Was Liberace still alive? Was he-- 741 00:32:49,250 --> 00:32:50,760 No, he was dead. 742 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,260 I started writing that right after his death. 743 00:32:52,340 --> 00:32:54,930 I decided to tell, you know, an all-tell book. 744 00:32:55,010 --> 00:32:57,810 People needed to know the truth, 745 00:32:57,890 --> 00:32:59,970 what happened to me. I was very young. 746 00:33:00,060 --> 00:33:02,430 He was 40 years my senior. He knew what he was doing. 747 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,980 He should be ashamed of himself. 748 00:33:05,060 --> 00:33:09,610 I was just a kid. I didn't know anything. 749 00:33:09,690 --> 00:33:11,490 [Michael] In Thorson's book, 750 00:33:11,570 --> 00:33:14,490 neither the Wonderland murders or Nash are mentioned, 751 00:33:14,570 --> 00:33:17,320 but there's a reference to a mysterious drug dealer 752 00:33:17,410 --> 00:33:20,790 known only as Mr. Y. 753 00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:22,660 And Liberace would not be the only one 754 00:33:22,750 --> 00:33:24,290 connected to the Wonderland case 755 00:33:24,370 --> 00:33:27,040 to fall victim to the AIDS epidemic. 756 00:33:27,130 --> 00:33:30,170 [reporter] People in the porn industry have told us 757 00:33:30,250 --> 00:33:33,130 it was hard for John to get work after the trial, 758 00:33:33,220 --> 00:33:35,220 so he turned to the gay market. 759 00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:37,970 Riddled with the disease, addicted to cocaine, 760 00:33:38,050 --> 00:33:40,010 he continued to make porn films, 761 00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:42,980 knowingly spreading the disease. 762 00:33:43,060 --> 00:33:45,190 ♪♪ 763 00:33:45,270 --> 00:33:47,060 He still was performing 764 00:33:47,150 --> 00:33:50,320 when he, uh, had AIDS, and he wasn't telling... 765 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,980 -Yeah. -...other people about it. 766 00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:55,530 He was, uh, introducing AIDS to the group. 767 00:33:55,610 --> 00:33:59,370 [Michael] By this time, Detective Bob Souza had retired, 768 00:33:59,450 --> 00:34:01,990 and Tom Lange's new partner was Mac McClain, 769 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,660 the same detective who guarded John Holmes 770 00:34:04,750 --> 00:34:07,580 at the Biltmore Hotel back in '81. 771 00:34:07,670 --> 00:34:09,500 [Michael] What were you doing before Tom said, 772 00:34:09,590 --> 00:34:11,000 "Will you be my partner?" 773 00:34:11,090 --> 00:34:15,170 In 1986, there was a serial killer 774 00:34:15,260 --> 00:34:17,050 The "Southside Slayer," we called him. 775 00:34:17,130 --> 00:34:19,510 Was killing prostitutes. 776 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,890 And so I came there as a part of that. 777 00:34:21,970 --> 00:34:25,930 After the Southside Slayer case ended, Tom says, 778 00:34:26,020 --> 00:34:28,020 "Hey, I don't have a partner. 779 00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:29,860 I'll see if they'll let you stay." 780 00:34:29,940 --> 00:34:32,190 I think he did that because both of us 781 00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:35,610 had been in the Marines in Vietnam at the same time. 782 00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:37,860 [Tom] I was working with Mac McClain, 783 00:34:37,950 --> 00:34:39,530 and we got information 784 00:34:39,620 --> 00:34:41,370 that John was at the Veterans Hospital 785 00:34:41,450 --> 00:34:43,540 in the San Fernando Valley. 786 00:34:43,620 --> 00:34:46,620 At the time, we were just trying to find Holmes. 787 00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:49,250 We go out to the VA hospital, 788 00:34:49,330 --> 00:34:51,250 see if John Holmes is checked in there. 789 00:34:51,340 --> 00:34:54,550 And, yes, he is. 790 00:34:54,630 --> 00:34:57,050 He apparently had contacted AIDS, 791 00:34:57,130 --> 00:34:59,050 and he wasn't in good shape. 792 00:34:59,130 --> 00:35:02,890 This told me and Mac that maybe he's ready to talk. 793 00:35:02,970 --> 00:35:05,390 -I mean, we got nothing to lose. -Yeah. 794 00:35:05,470 --> 00:35:07,980 So Mac and I went in. He was in bed. 795 00:35:08,060 --> 00:35:10,440 He looked terrible. 796 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,570 He weighed about 90 pounds. He looked really, really frail. 797 00:35:13,650 --> 00:35:16,990 His hair was really long. He had really long fingernails. 798 00:35:17,070 --> 00:35:18,950 He was obviously in some kind of agony. 799 00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:23,120 ♪♪ 800 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,330 I says, "John, by your own admission, you're dying." 801 00:35:26,410 --> 00:35:29,000 And I goes, "You wanna take this with you?" 802 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,580 I goes, "You want to let Nash go free?" 803 00:35:32,670 --> 00:35:34,750 "Once you're gone," I goes, "they're not gonna do 804 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,590 anything to your family." 805 00:35:36,670 --> 00:35:38,760 And all of a sudden, he pops up... 806 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,930 -[clattering] -[John] I heard some noises 807 00:35:41,010 --> 00:35:43,100 coming from the direction of the bedroom. 808 00:35:43,180 --> 00:35:45,100 I decided to investigate. 809 00:35:45,180 --> 00:35:50,100 And he says, "When I was doing my Johnny Wadd detective series, 810 00:35:50,190 --> 00:35:52,940 I tried to emulate what you guys do." 811 00:35:53,020 --> 00:35:54,770 JOHN: So, we meet again. 812 00:35:54,860 --> 00:35:56,440 Look, I was just looking for some love letters I wrote. 813 00:35:56,530 --> 00:35:57,940 You were looking for love letters. Like hell. 814 00:35:58,030 --> 00:35:59,820 I think you were looking for something else. 815 00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:01,780 He was all, "I pretended to be a detective, 816 00:36:01,860 --> 00:36:03,200 and I really like LAPD." 817 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,990 All this crap, you know, feeding us this nonsense. 818 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,830 You son of a bitch. 819 00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:09,450 ♪♪ 820 00:36:09,540 --> 00:36:11,210 He said, "I'll tell you what I'll do. 821 00:36:11,290 --> 00:36:13,960 I'm gonna write it all down for you. Lay it all out." 822 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:19,130 I looked at Mac, and he looked at me, 823 00:36:19,210 --> 00:36:20,340 and we weren't going to go anywhere with this. 824 00:36:20,420 --> 00:36:22,130 It's the same old John Holmes 825 00:36:22,220 --> 00:36:25,140 talking out of both sides of his mouth. Nothing changes. 826 00:36:25,220 --> 00:36:26,970 We're not gonna get anything from him. 827 00:36:27,060 --> 00:36:28,390 If he writes something down, fine. 828 00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:31,690 Of course, he never did. 829 00:36:31,770 --> 00:36:34,480 The undisputed king of porn films in the 1970s, 830 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,690 the man who claimed to have had sex with 14,000 women, 831 00:36:37,770 --> 00:36:39,650 died yesterday at a veterans hospital 832 00:36:39,740 --> 00:36:40,530 in Southern California. 833 00:36:40,610 --> 00:36:42,700 He was 43 years old. 834 00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:44,820 [Tom] He died from the AIDS 835 00:36:44,910 --> 00:36:47,160 about 12 days after we'd been there. 836 00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:50,370 We'll never know what he knew. It's history. 837 00:36:50,450 --> 00:36:52,540 ♪♪ 838 00:36:52,620 --> 00:36:55,880 [Michael] John Holmes took his secret to the grave. 839 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,920 But shortly after his death, 840 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,590 his former wife Sharon agreed to be interviewed 841 00:37:00,670 --> 00:37:04,890 on Current Affair, disguised only by a wig. 842 00:37:04,970 --> 00:37:07,760 He certainly was capable of knowingly having 843 00:37:07,850 --> 00:37:10,350 the disease longer 844 00:37:10,430 --> 00:37:13,690 than anyone else knew and spreading it. 845 00:37:13,770 --> 00:37:17,690 I mean, would that be so hard to understand 846 00:37:17,770 --> 00:37:19,270 when you can stand there 847 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,190 and watch four people be butchered in front of you? 848 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:27,870 ♪♪ 849 00:37:27,950 --> 00:37:29,200 [Michael] Not only did she confirm 850 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,790 Holmes' involvement in the murders, 851 00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:33,910 she went on to confirm the bizarre bathtub story 852 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,540 she told detective Tom Lange seven years earlier. 853 00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:42,880 We started with the shaking and the crying, and he says, 854 00:37:42,970 --> 00:37:45,930 "I do have to tell you 'cause I can't live with this by myself." 855 00:37:46,010 --> 00:37:50,260 If there was something he knew, you wouldn't like. 856 00:37:50,350 --> 00:37:52,220 This was always done in the bathroom, 857 00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:55,140 and it was always done in the bathtub. 858 00:37:55,230 --> 00:37:57,940 This scene was depicted in the Hollywood film Wonderland, 859 00:37:58,020 --> 00:38:00,570 starring Val Kilmer and Lisa Kudrow. 860 00:38:00,650 --> 00:38:02,650 -Oh, just a cut. -There's too much blood. 861 00:38:02,730 --> 00:38:05,490 -I gotta get it off. Okay? -John, where's the wound? 862 00:38:05,570 --> 00:38:07,320 There's no wound. 863 00:38:07,410 --> 00:38:09,780 This isn't your blood, John. 864 00:38:09,870 --> 00:38:12,580 Whose blood is this? 865 00:38:12,660 --> 00:38:16,330 It's kind of like Macbeth's wife 866 00:38:16,420 --> 00:38:18,170 washing her hands sort of thing. 867 00:38:18,250 --> 00:38:22,090 He sold his soul that night. 868 00:38:22,170 --> 00:38:23,920 Everything else was gone. 869 00:38:24,010 --> 00:38:25,920 But to stand there and watch a butchering 870 00:38:26,010 --> 00:38:28,510 or a slaughtering like that and doing nothing? 871 00:38:28,590 --> 00:38:33,100 I said, "John, how could you?" 872 00:38:33,180 --> 00:38:34,930 And he said, "They were dirt." 873 00:38:35,020 --> 00:38:36,980 ♪♪ 874 00:38:37,060 --> 00:38:39,310 And I said, "John, you knew these people." 875 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,150 And he said, "They were dirt, and they were stupid." 876 00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:47,860 ♪♪ 877 00:38:47,950 --> 00:38:49,950 The Wonderland case simmered for years 878 00:38:50,030 --> 00:38:52,620 after Holmes' acquittal in 1982. 879 00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:53,450 We, the jury, find the Defendant, 880 00:38:53,540 --> 00:38:54,540 John Curtis Holmes, 881 00:38:54,620 --> 00:38:56,330 not guilty of murder. 882 00:38:56,410 --> 00:38:58,120 [reporter] John Holmes was acquitted of first degree. 883 00:38:58,210 --> 00:38:59,670 I do not feel that justice was served. 884 00:38:59,750 --> 00:39:01,540 [reporter #2] Case remains unsolved, 885 00:39:01,630 --> 00:39:03,210 and we may never know what really happened. 886 00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:06,130 [Michael] But a big break came thanks to the work 887 00:39:06,210 --> 00:39:08,680 of Detective Rick Jackson. 888 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,800 [Michael] You were the first suit at the scene 889 00:39:11,890 --> 00:39:13,810 of the Wonderland massacre. 890 00:39:13,890 --> 00:39:15,850 It kind of came full circle when you ended up 891 00:39:15,930 --> 00:39:18,230 bringing a key person to that investigation. 892 00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:21,230 But why don't we start by how you met this person 893 00:39:21,310 --> 00:39:23,520 and what that case was about? 894 00:39:23,610 --> 00:39:28,200 Yeah. So I'm -- I'm a detective assigned to Hollywood homicide. 895 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,530 It's September of '87. 896 00:39:30,610 --> 00:39:33,160 [siren wailing] 897 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:35,370 My partner and I got called out 898 00:39:35,450 --> 00:39:39,040 to a murder that happened on Cherokee Avenue. 899 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,170 Some suspects went in with guns to an apartment, 900 00:39:43,250 --> 00:39:45,000 and it was a drug rip-off, 901 00:39:45,090 --> 00:39:48,420 and there were some sexual assaults that took place. 902 00:39:48,510 --> 00:39:52,930 Eventually, arrests were made of a couple of suspects... 903 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,850 ...and one of them had a connection 904 00:39:56,930 --> 00:39:58,350 to the Black Guerilla Family, 905 00:39:58,430 --> 00:40:01,690 and the name Scott Thorson comes up. 906 00:40:01,770 --> 00:40:03,690 ♪♪ 907 00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:06,360 [Michael] What was that all about? 908 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,530 There was a young lady that used to run 909 00:40:08,610 --> 00:40:11,700 these abandoned apartment buildings with us. 910 00:40:11,780 --> 00:40:14,530 I happened to show up that day at one of the crack houses. 911 00:40:14,620 --> 00:40:17,290 -Who are you with? -A member of the Bloods. 912 00:40:17,370 --> 00:40:19,040 They told me to knock on the door 913 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,790 and tell her to let them in. 914 00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:23,380 I knocked on the door, and they pushed me aside. 915 00:40:23,460 --> 00:40:25,710 And when she opened it, they barged in. 916 00:40:25,790 --> 00:40:28,800 That's all I had. I didn't do any robbing. 917 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,380 I didn't do anything. 918 00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:31,880 But didn't you know what they were gonna do? 919 00:40:31,970 --> 00:40:34,390 No, he didn't tell me. 920 00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:36,470 And you didn't go in? You left? 921 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,890 No, but I know that they raped her. 922 00:40:38,970 --> 00:40:41,230 And so that's when a warrant was put out 923 00:40:41,310 --> 00:40:43,100 for my arrest for robbery. 924 00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:45,310 And that's when Rick Jackson came into play. 925 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,150 Actually, he probably saved my life. 926 00:40:47,230 --> 00:40:49,070 [flash bulb crackles] 927 00:40:49,150 --> 00:40:50,570 You get arrested by Rick Jackson? 928 00:40:50,650 --> 00:40:52,570 Yes. 929 00:40:52,650 --> 00:40:54,570 [Rick]: So I get the warrant for Scott Thorson. 930 00:40:54,660 --> 00:40:56,490 I learned who Scott Thorson was. 931 00:40:56,580 --> 00:40:57,950 You know, I knew that, 932 00:40:58,030 --> 00:40:59,950 you know, he was connected to Liberace. 933 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,000 So in February of 1988, 934 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,630 I went to the county jail 935 00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:09,170 and interviewed Scott Thorson for the first time. 936 00:41:09,250 --> 00:41:14,180 And we connected to the extent of he was trying to help me, 937 00:41:14,260 --> 00:41:16,800 but he's also obviously looking out for his own interests 938 00:41:16,890 --> 00:41:19,260 'cause he potentially was gonna go to state prison 939 00:41:19,350 --> 00:41:21,020 for this robbery. 940 00:41:21,100 --> 00:41:23,020 So you're in county jail. 941 00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:26,190 County jail. Eddie Nash pulled my bail. 942 00:41:26,270 --> 00:41:27,770 He put me there, and he kept me there. 943 00:41:27,860 --> 00:41:31,780 It was time to get rid of me 'cause he was through with me. 944 00:41:31,860 --> 00:41:35,110 I was very angry. He was betraying me. 945 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,950 I was very loyal to Eddie Nash. 946 00:41:38,030 --> 00:41:40,540 I never went to police. 947 00:41:40,620 --> 00:41:45,540 I says, "Okay." I says, "You're gonna join me soon." 948 00:41:45,620 --> 00:41:48,130 I says, "If I'm in jail, you're gonna go too." 949 00:41:48,210 --> 00:41:50,460 [cell door clanking] 950 00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:54,130 [Michael] It's like almost 10 years after the crime. 951 00:41:54,220 --> 00:41:56,800 You have what appears to be 952 00:41:56,890 --> 00:42:00,810 or may be new life to -- to the investigation. 953 00:42:00,890 --> 00:42:03,480 Initially, Scott Thorson got into the wind. 954 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,640 We didn't hear from him for years. 955 00:42:05,730 --> 00:42:08,690 Later, of course he needed something, 956 00:42:08,770 --> 00:42:10,900 so I got a call from the county jail. 957 00:42:10,980 --> 00:42:12,860 He wants to talk to us 'cause he's got 958 00:42:12,940 --> 00:42:15,320 information on the murders. 959 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,990 [Michael] Years after the murders on Wonderland Avenue, 960 00:42:18,070 --> 00:42:21,450 Lange would finally meet the man who knew too much. 961 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,670 Mac and I went over there, and Scott looked terrible, 962 00:42:26,750 --> 00:42:31,170 and he'd been rung up on another charge locally. 963 00:42:31,250 --> 00:42:33,340 He wanted a little help with that, obviously, 964 00:42:33,420 --> 00:42:35,920 and he would have something to say. 965 00:42:36,010 --> 00:42:41,350 So Rick Jackson inadvertently got the Wonderland case 966 00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:43,770 basically out of mothballs. -Mm-hmm. 967 00:42:43,850 --> 00:42:48,350 What Rick had done was arrest Thorson for a robbery. 968 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:54,400 But Thorson, facing jail time, said, "I will cooperate. 969 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,200 I was at Eddie Nash's house the night of those murders," 970 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,120 and that kickstarted the whole thing again. 971 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:01,570 [video rewinds] 972 00:43:01,660 --> 00:43:03,870 It did. 973 00:43:03,950 --> 00:43:05,700 We were a little impatient initially, 974 00:43:05,790 --> 00:43:07,910 but he got down to it. 975 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,630 To make a long story short, Mr. Nash one night 976 00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:12,920 was throwing a big, well-to-do party. 977 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,460 ♪♪ 978 00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:18,220 And he was robbed of over a million dollars' worth 979 00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:20,220 of drugs, money, and jewelry. 980 00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:23,470 [breathing heavily] 981 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,310 And later that day I was in the wrong place at the wrong time. 982 00:43:31,230 --> 00:43:33,980 Scott tells us he was actually in the house 983 00:43:34,070 --> 00:43:37,570 when John Holmes was brought into the house by Greg Diles. 984 00:43:37,650 --> 00:43:39,740 [Scott] Mr. Nash found the man 985 00:43:39,820 --> 00:43:41,740 that was responsible for setting the robberies up, 986 00:43:41,820 --> 00:43:44,580 brought him back to his house, almost beat him to death. 987 00:43:44,660 --> 00:43:49,460 [hits thudding, man groaning] 988 00:43:49,540 --> 00:43:51,500 And then he ordered the young man to take him 989 00:43:51,580 --> 00:43:56,300 up to Laurel Canyon to where these people lived. 990 00:43:56,380 --> 00:44:00,430 And he ordered his bodyguard to have these people killed. 991 00:44:00,510 --> 00:44:02,430 [hits thudding] 992 00:44:02,510 --> 00:44:04,930 Four people died. 993 00:44:05,010 --> 00:44:08,640 They had holes about the size of a baseball in their heads. 994 00:44:08,730 --> 00:44:10,690 Greg Diles hit one of the victims so hard 995 00:44:10,770 --> 00:44:14,440 that it left an indentation from the pipe in the forehead. 996 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,270 They didn't go public with that. 997 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,190 How'd you know about it? 998 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,780 I heard Gregory Diles tell Nash 999 00:44:20,860 --> 00:44:22,780 that he hit the victim so hard 1000 00:44:22,860 --> 00:44:24,780 that the pipe threads left an indentation. 1001 00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:27,330 There were five victims involved. 1002 00:44:27,410 --> 00:44:29,120 One victim survived. 1003 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,120 By the grace of God, she survived. 1004 00:44:30,210 --> 00:44:31,290 They cut her finger off. 1005 00:44:31,370 --> 00:44:33,000 It launched one of the biggest 1006 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,340 and the most massive crime investigations in Los Angeles. 1007 00:44:37,420 --> 00:44:39,670 [Michael] Based on this new information 1008 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,300 coming from Scott Thorson, 1009 00:44:41,380 --> 00:44:45,300 you go back to the DA, and you build a case, 1010 00:44:45,390 --> 00:44:48,810 a new case against Nash and Greg Diles. 1011 00:44:48,890 --> 00:44:50,730 -They're charged with murder. -Right. 1012 00:44:50,810 --> 00:44:54,600 [man] Deputy District Attorney Carol Najera. Marker. 1013 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:57,570 Somewhat out of the blue 1014 00:44:57,650 --> 00:44:59,650 comes this guy named Scott Thorson 1015 00:44:59,730 --> 00:45:01,820 that kind of resuscitates the case. 1016 00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:03,990 Can you talk about that history, how it -- 1017 00:45:04,070 --> 00:45:05,160 it was the case it wouldn't go away, 1018 00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:07,660 and then it suddenly came back? 1019 00:45:07,740 --> 00:45:10,540 When Scott Thorson came forward, 1020 00:45:10,620 --> 00:45:13,540 Tom Lange and Mac McClain vetted him a lot. 1021 00:45:13,620 --> 00:45:16,500 By the time they were convinced that he actually had something 1022 00:45:16,580 --> 00:45:18,170 that was actual, credible evidence 1023 00:45:18,250 --> 00:45:19,670 that could be used in this case, 1024 00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:21,340 they both came to me and asked 1025 00:45:21,420 --> 00:45:23,220 if I would like to join the organized crime unit 1026 00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:24,840 and do the Wonderland case. 1027 00:45:24,930 --> 00:45:26,180 And I thought it was an amazing opportunity, 1028 00:45:26,260 --> 00:45:28,180 so of course I jumped on it. 1029 00:45:28,260 --> 00:45:29,680 So what was the first thing you had to do-- 1030 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,850 take a deep dive into who Eddie Nash was? 1031 00:45:31,930 --> 00:45:34,730 Exactly. I read a lot of articles. 1032 00:45:34,810 --> 00:45:38,190 I read a lot of police reports on him, 1033 00:45:38,270 --> 00:45:42,400 and then I read the transcripts from the John Holmes trial 1034 00:45:42,490 --> 00:45:43,700 that Judge Cohen had done, 1035 00:45:43,780 --> 00:45:45,860 as well as the drug trafficking case 1036 00:45:45,950 --> 00:45:49,740 that he had successfully prosecuted Eddie Nash on. 1037 00:45:49,830 --> 00:45:51,870 [Michael] With the DA on board, 1038 00:45:51,950 --> 00:45:55,210 the detectives then proceeded to arrest Nash and Diles. 1039 00:45:55,290 --> 00:45:56,580 [siren wailing] 1040 00:45:56,670 --> 00:45:58,710 You and Tom split up to make these arrests. 1041 00:45:58,790 --> 00:46:01,960 Yes, 'cause we figure if Nash gets in jail 1042 00:46:02,050 --> 00:46:05,090 and warns Diles, Diles is gone. 1043 00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:10,720 They arrest Nash. We're going to Diles. 1044 00:46:10,810 --> 00:46:12,720 We go to the Seven Seas, 1045 00:46:12,810 --> 00:46:15,060 where he works as a parking lot attendant. 1046 00:46:15,140 --> 00:46:18,480 We arrest him. We get in the car. 1047 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,320 I'm sitting next to him, and he looks over and he goes, 1048 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,110 "What am I being arrested for?" 1049 00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:25,610 I go, "Murder." He goes, "Hmm." 1050 00:46:25,700 --> 00:46:27,280 That's all he said. 1051 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,450 [jet engines roaring] 1052 00:46:31,700 --> 00:46:34,410 I'm flying to Las Vegas, short flight, 1053 00:46:34,500 --> 00:46:37,290 and I'm, you know, reading the LA Times. 1054 00:46:37,370 --> 00:46:39,670 And all of a sudden I see an article. 1055 00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:41,090 I knew it was about Wonderland, 1056 00:46:41,170 --> 00:46:44,300 and I started reading it. 1057 00:46:44,380 --> 00:46:47,760 ♪♪ 1058 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,430 And kind of like, "Holy shit." 1059 00:46:50,510 --> 00:46:53,930 The article confirmed that Scott Thorson, 1060 00:46:54,020 --> 00:46:57,100 who was in custody for a robbery -- 1061 00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:58,850 my robbery -- 1062 00:46:58,940 --> 00:47:03,110 um, had come forward by meeting with the DA's office 1063 00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:04,940 and the detectives on the Wonderland murders. 1064 00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:06,950 ♪♪ 1065 00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:10,450 [Michael] So for his involvement as the key witness, 1066 00:47:10,530 --> 00:47:13,280 what happened with Thorson's robbery charges? 1067 00:47:13,370 --> 00:47:15,040 They weren't dismissed. 1068 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,290 He was allowed to plead guilty to a felony robbery, 1069 00:47:18,370 --> 00:47:20,170 but he served no time other than the time 1070 00:47:20,250 --> 00:47:22,500 that he had served up to the point. 1071 00:47:22,590 --> 00:47:25,000 ♪♪ 1072 00:47:25,090 --> 00:47:26,800 The murder charges against Nash and Diles 1073 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,970 were going to hinge on Scott's testimony. 1074 00:47:31,050 --> 00:47:34,890 But your key witness now is not that much better 1075 00:47:34,970 --> 00:47:37,810 than -- than Holmes, right? 1076 00:47:37,890 --> 00:47:40,650 I mean, this is a guy who has a criminal record. 1077 00:47:40,730 --> 00:47:42,650 He also has drug problems. 1078 00:47:42,730 --> 00:47:45,070 How do you go about making him 1079 00:47:45,150 --> 00:47:47,360 that -- that strong witness in court? 1080 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,700 ♪♪ 1081 00:47:49,780 --> 00:47:52,070 [Tom] Well, making him a strong witness, 1082 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,660 it's not real easy to do. 1083 00:47:53,740 --> 00:47:57,330 Our problem was that, much like John Holmes, 1084 00:47:57,410 --> 00:47:59,500 he does, in fact, talk out of both sides of his mouth. 1085 00:47:59,580 --> 00:48:01,000 Oh, yeah. 1086 00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,090 Scott, um, he'll forever be able to tell stories 1087 00:48:04,170 --> 00:48:07,760 which sometimes seem kind of over the top and bizarre, 1088 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,180 but a lot of them, I've learned, have been true. 1089 00:48:11,260 --> 00:48:14,100 When he starts telling the story, 1090 00:48:14,180 --> 00:48:15,680 he gets very animated 1091 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,180 telling what happened that night. 1092 00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:19,770 But a problem you have when you have somebody 1093 00:48:19,850 --> 00:48:21,350 in jail as a witness, 1094 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,730 the first thing the Defense is going to say, 1095 00:48:23,810 --> 00:48:25,770 "You got a jailhouse snitch." 1096 00:48:25,860 --> 00:48:27,360 And so you have to weigh that. 1097 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,190 Do we believe him enough, 1098 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,240 or is he just trying to use us 1099 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,370 to get out of jail? 1100 00:48:34,450 --> 00:48:38,080 [Michael] Okay, so I -- I write books. I write novels, 1101 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,460 and a device I use is something called the unreliable narrator. 1102 00:48:41,540 --> 00:48:42,960 Do you know what that means? 1103 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,080 -Not really. [chuckles] -Okay. 1104 00:48:45,170 --> 00:48:48,880 So it's where you take a very important person in a story, 1105 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,760 and you don't know whether they're telling the truth, 1106 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,220 and you have to try to figure that out. 1107 00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:56,050 And that's a little bit of what we're doing now with you. 1108 00:48:56,140 --> 00:48:58,310 Well, I think -- I think some 1109 00:48:58,390 --> 00:49:02,270 of these unbelievable stories that you mentioned, 1110 00:49:02,350 --> 00:49:05,610 you're a good author. You're a good investigator. 1111 00:49:05,690 --> 00:49:08,730 I don't think you found anything that was untrue. 1112 00:49:08,820 --> 00:49:10,780 I'm telling the truth. I've lived the life. 1113 00:49:10,860 --> 00:49:12,240 That's all I can say. 1114 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,570 Believe me, or you don't believe me. 1115 00:49:14,660 --> 00:49:17,990 I'm telling the truth. I have no reason to lie. 1116 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:19,830 Your client murdered those people, 1117 00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:21,080 had those people murdered. 1118 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,080 I heard it, I saw it. 1119 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,420 I saw Mr. Diles and Mr. Holmes. 1120 00:49:25,500 --> 00:49:29,090 And there isn't anything you can do and say that I'm lying now. 1121 00:49:29,170 --> 00:49:31,420 That man is a murderer right there. 1122 00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:33,590 ♪♪ 1123 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,550 ♪♪86270

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