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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:12,439 Tell the people. 2 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,679 Tell them on television. 3 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:16,439 Questions in the public mind, 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,079 answered by people 5 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:19,720 in the public eye. 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,639 Good evening. A few minutes ago, the Prime Minister, 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,359 The Right Honourable Harold Macmillan, 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,440 came to Television House, and he's here now in the ITN studio. 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,439 But why should the public, on this issue, 10 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,079 as regards the future of the Royal Navy, believe you - 11 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,519 a transient, er, here-today 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:42,919 and, if I may say so, 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:44,479 gone-tomorrow politician - 14 00:00:44,480 --> 00:00:46,719 rather than a senior officer of many years' experience? I'm sorry, 15 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,839 I'm fed up with this interview. Ridiculous! 16 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,799 Thank you, Mr Nott. It's a straight yes-or-no question. You can put the 17 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,519 question. I will give you an answer. It's a straight yes-or-no answer. 18 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,919 It may be the question, but it's not the way I choose to answer it. 19 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,599 The Prime Minister's just arrived 20 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,039 in the last few seconds. 21 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:02,519 Morning, Prime Minister, would you come on 22 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:03,959 Good Morning Britain, Prime Minister? 23 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,039 BLEEP! 24 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:06,920 GASPING 25 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,199 Morning-morning, Brian, how are we? 26 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,959 Fine, thank you, Pam, good morning. 27 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:27,399 Sleepless night, was it? 28 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,160 Better use my thick brush, eh? 29 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,279 {\an8}I've always quite liked her. 30 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,279 {\an8}Well, how sort of single-minded 31 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,319 {\an8}she is, anyway. 32 00:01:45,320 --> 00:01:46,799 {\an8}I can't remember, 33 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:48,400 {\an8}have you interviewed her before? 34 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,559 {\an8}Oh, yes, many times, over the years. 35 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:54,840 {\an8}Brian? 36 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,400 {\an8}She'll have seen this too, of course. 37 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,880 {\an8}She'll have to come out fighting now, don't you think? 38 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,559 Brian. 39 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:06,839 What have you decided, 40 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,760 the, er, strategy? 41 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:16,640 What are you going to do? 42 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,239 {\an8}Look, bad timing, that's all. 43 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,120 {\an8}And it's a full 45 minutes, remember? 44 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,839 {\an8}He's your favourite for a reason, 45 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,240 {\an8}and he's a friend. 46 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,360 {\an8}Be a walk in the park. 47 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,680 Just this way, please, Prime Minister. 48 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,599 Margaret, how are you? 49 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,000 Well, Brian, always well. 50 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,399 Now, I expect you'll be starting off with 51 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,520 you-know-who and you-know-what... 52 00:03:03,640 --> 00:03:04,800 Hello, good morning. 53 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:09,279 ...but I do hope we can then move on to something of more substance, 54 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,480 like we usually do. 55 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:21,359 HE SIGHS 56 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:26,799 He seems, dare I say it, nervous, and he's never nervous. 57 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,519 It's making me nervous. Can you stop saying "nervous"? 58 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,040 Five, four, three, two... 59 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,599 Good afternoon. 60 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,719 Nigel Lawson's shock resignation has plunged the Prime Minister 61 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,040 into the most serious political crisis of her career. 62 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,759 Prime Minister, many people, 63 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,359 including many of your supporters, 64 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,759 blame you for the resignation. Now, how you respond to these claims 65 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,679 may be of crucial significance for you, personally, 66 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,679 and for your government. 67 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,800 So, I put it to you, are you to blame? 68 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,399 I put this to our Chancellor. 69 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,399 There's no reason he has to answer it, 70 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,519 I'm not that important. LAUGHTER 71 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,279 But I'm afraid I cannot vote with my own government on this order. 72 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:35,439 I regret it, but I cannot do so. These are old solutions 73 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,919 for an increasingly tired country, 74 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,719 desperate to feel new and young again. 75 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,159 Many of my, er, honourable friends, 76 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,399 er, whose conscience and experience 77 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,439 are not less than mine and, in many cases, are greater, 78 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,439 will vote for the Government. I respect their decision, 79 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,999 as they will respect mine. 80 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,600 Could he be our man? 81 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,679 My judgment is that we are at the end of our tether. 82 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,879 MURMURS AND GROANS The member for Dover. 83 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,799 My honourable friend 84 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,519 makes some exceptional points, 85 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,999 and I believe has captured 86 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,159 the despair of this nation. MURMURS AND GROANS 87 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,399 Where are the answers in this government's proposals 88 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,159 to the challenges we face? 89 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:20,439 Nowhere. 90 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,079 Inflation, nowhere. 91 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,479 Stagnation, nowhere. 92 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,720 Unemployment, nowhere. MURMURS OF AGREEEMT 93 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,720 Brian Walden, for David Cox. Oh, yes, ninth floor. 94 00:05:48,840 --> 00:05:52,639 Well, what can I say? London, Weekend, Television, 95 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,919 three of the most glamorous things there are. 96 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,239 But, uh, if we do, er, 97 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,359 collectively decide to give this a go, 98 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,519 I'd have to stand down. 99 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:05,159 An MP with a regular spot on television, that would be... 100 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,359 I mean, wouldn't that be...? Unethical? Yes. 101 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,719 Ah. And, uh, how would that, you know, be, giving that all up? 102 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:16,119 Well, it's no secret I'm no fan of the direction 103 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,279 the Labour Party is heading. 104 00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:19,839 Completely at the mercy of the unions, 105 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:22,479 all these North London Marxist types, 106 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,199 not the broader tradition I came from. Er, in fact, er, 107 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,919 to be honest, I don't think I should ever have been an MP at all. 108 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:32,879 Working-class lad at Oxford, 109 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,839 I was flattered into it. You realise pretty quickly, 110 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:38,759 er, just how little an impact, as an individual, you can have. 111 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,759 Weekend World is a unique show at LWT. They pretty much leave us alone 112 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,159 to do what we do. And, er, what is it you think you do, my old son? 113 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:47,799 A long-form, forensic interview, 114 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,759 to help facilitate mass comprehension. 115 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,679 Mass comprehension? My, oh, my! 116 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,879 In other words, helping folk understand 117 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,919 what the hell is going on? When we came on air, years ago, 118 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,639 we were, and still are, the only political programme 119 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,639 to put a single interviewee through their paces 120 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,919 for an entire show. And we do that on the same channel, 121 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,159 and in-between repeats of Upstairs, Downstairs, 122 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,279 and wrestlers knocking ten bells of shit out of one another 123 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,279 for Weekend Sport, because we believe 124 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,999 the political interview ought to play a part in 125 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,399 a popular audience's understanding 126 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:19,799 of the world they live in. 127 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,639 Very good, nicely pitched. 128 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,199 And as regards you and, er, 129 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:25,879 current affairs? 130 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,119 No affairs, currently. 131 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,639 I'm very faithful to my wife, at present. Why, what have you heard? 132 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,919 This is, er, your third wife? BRIAN SIGHS 133 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,599 But, you know, some gobby bloke with a common-as-muck Midlands accent, 134 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,439 when you think of The News, how it sounds... doesn't sound like me. 135 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:48,719 No, but you sound like our audience. 136 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,359 Ha-ha-ha! Well, I suppose when you think about it, 137 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,999 Shakespeare, the great vendor of the English language, 138 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,039 he was a Brummie, wasn't he? In fact, he probably 139 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:57,999 said those lines just like this. 140 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,839 IN BRUMMIE ACCENT: "Romeo, Romeo"? 141 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,240 "Wherefore art thou Romeo?" CHUCKLING 142 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,479 I'll see you around, gentlemen. 143 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,719 So, Brian, this is, er, the rest of the production team. 144 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,360 Hello... Hello. 145 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,279 You look young. What's your story? 146 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,599 I, er... I did a stint at BBC Birmingham, actually, 147 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,719 your neck of the... Oh. They have this South Asian Programming Unit 148 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,239 there now. Wonderful. Don't tell me you're a West Bromwich Albion fan? 149 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,239 No, wait, hold the line. 150 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,359 Er, seventh this year in the First Division. 151 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:35,159 Before that, third in the Second, and then sixth, and then eighth. 152 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,599 Photographic memory. Test me on anything, Sue. 153 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,239 Anything. What's your passion? 154 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,440 Barry Manilow, and meetings starting on time. 155 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:48,919 You're sceptical, John. 156 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,239 Mm. It's my job to be sceptical of politicians. 157 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,559 And here we are, inviting one into our team. Well, they told us 158 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:59,479 to shake things up. He was thought of as a future party leader once. 159 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,879 You don't think he'll be lightweight? 160 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,879 Politicians always, at some level, just want to be liked. 161 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,919 If I've learnt one thing, it's that a show like this, 162 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,319 you're only ever one rating's dip, one whiff of an audience 163 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:10,760 losing interest before... 164 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:13,840 Well... 165 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,239 He's got something. 166 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:18,919 We take the risk. 167 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,199 Your first guest should be someone quite, er, loud. 168 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,759 Draw in some press. A political titan. 169 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,759 Maybe Roy Jenkins, Denis Healey, 170 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,879 Airey Neave, even Ted Heath. 171 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,399 Already done him, done him twice, 172 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,359 won't do it and, oh, my Christ, do you want people to fall asleep?! 173 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,640 I have a suggestion, actually. 174 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:43,959 That's a blank piece of paper. 175 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,479 It is. I was hoping for a dramatic reveal. 176 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,119 I stand corrected. 177 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,079 Right, here we go. 178 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:51,560 Margaret Thatcher? 179 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,159 Yes. Interview the Leader of the Opposition, 180 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,559 while she's still relatively green. 181 00:09:57,560 --> 00:09:59,119 Her other interviews 182 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,199 haven't been hugely illuminating. BRIAN SIGHS 183 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,679 To me, she trots out other people's philosophies. 184 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:07,439 Keith Joseph, er, monetarism, libertarianism, 185 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,239 but I'm not sure there's much going on there, 186 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,359 apart from her... uh, being... 187 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,159 Oh, right, the only thing going for her is that she's a woman. 188 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,439 No, no, I... Although... Although that is interesting, 189 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,719 I think people are missing something. 190 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,320 Er, she was pretty ruthless in deposing her predecessor. 191 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,319 So, why? What does she want? 192 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,080 What is this change she's hoping to bring? 193 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:33,920 Isn't that worth finding out? 194 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,439 I think there's a bigger agenda here. I think that's... 195 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,799 I don't think that's the right direction to go down. 196 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,519 All thoughts are welcome. Polices. 197 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,239 We're not saying she's in favour... 198 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,639 CONVERSATION CONTINUES 199 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,079 Margaret Thatcher, 200 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,799 er, since you became leader of your party... Yes. 201 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,879 ...you have broken the tradition, in so far as... 202 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,599 ? Yes, sir, I can boogie 203 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,279 ? If you stay, you can't go wrong 204 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,959 ? I can boogie, boogie-woogie 205 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:15,639 ? All night long 206 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,799 ? No, sir 207 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,840 ? I don't feel very much like talking 208 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:23,240 ? No, neither walking... ? 209 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:43,400 Brian... 210 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,519 ...or should that be Mr Walden? Forgive me. 211 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,039 Mrs Thatcher. 212 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,479 I'd heard rumours that you were thinking of crossing 213 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,079 the floor to us, once upon a time, but now you've gone further, 214 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,039 you've crossed the river instead! Ha-ha! Yes. 215 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,999 Well, it's all... It's all very new. 216 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,839 Well, it still is to me too, so... 217 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,279 You are new and I am new. 218 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:06,879 Excuse me, Mr Walden, Mrs Thatcher, 219 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:08,919 if you'd like to come this way, please. Mr Walden... 220 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,359 Where do you want me? Mrs Thatcher, just across there. 221 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,359 OK, if we go in for tight on camera one, please. 222 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,999 On one... Yeah. Tiny bit tighter... 223 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,719 Yeah, that looks good. Good. 224 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,639 Camera three, wide as well. 225 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,679 OK. Brian, can you hear me? God, that's loud! 226 00:12:22,680 --> 00:12:24,639 Will you be doing that the whole time? 227 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,919 So, you'll be all the way over there? 228 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,719 Oh, yes. No, erm... 229 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,599 It's just a sort of a funky idea that they're trying out 230 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,679 for the opening. On camera, it'll look as if we're facing each other, 231 00:12:34,680 --> 00:12:38,559 but in different aspects. So, if you face, and I face, 232 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:41,599 then... You see? On the monitor? Ah, yes. 233 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,839 Recording beginning in five, four, 234 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,559 three, two, one... Roll credits. 235 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:52,480 TITLE MUSIC PLAYS 236 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,879 Hello, and good morning. 237 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:15,319 One of the most urgent questions to which everyone wants an answer is, 238 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,359 if we vote Margaret Thatcher into Number 10 at the next election, 239 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,679 will we be voting for a disastrous 240 00:13:20,680 --> 00:13:24,519 and futile confrontation between the Government and the unions? Today, 241 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,399 on Weekend World, we will try and answer that question. 242 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,679 First, though, the news headlines, with Gordon Honeycombe. 243 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:34,359 There's more conjecture about Middle East peace moves 244 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,239 after the unexpected return to Israel last night from Paris 245 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,679 of the Israeli Foreign Secretary, Mr Dayan. 246 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:41,919 And the Egyptian Foreign Minister, Mr Fahmi, 247 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,359 has left Cairo for France. He's also on his way to America, 248 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,679 with Egyptian proposals for a Middle East settlement. 249 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:50,479 More than 40 fire bombs... 250 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,520 All right, main interview. Good luck, Brian. 251 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,479 In speeches up and down the country, 252 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,359 Mrs Thatcher has often startled her audiences. 253 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,679 Instead of the reassurance we've come to expect 254 00:14:03,680 --> 00:14:06,359 from Conservative leaders, Mrs Thatcher conveyed 255 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,479 a sense of imminent danger. 256 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,519 There's a reason Mrs Thatcher sounds more militant 257 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,239 than other post-war leaders. 258 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,279 They've avoided identifying the party too closely with 259 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:16,719 any particular doctrine 260 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,679 because they've been afraid that ideology costs votes. 261 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,999 Today, we're not going to consider whether those 262 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,279 policies are, in themselves, good or bad for Britain 263 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,279 but, instead, try to work out whether she would overcome 264 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:29,239 the opposition she's bound to run into. 265 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,639 So, we've indulged in a little crystal-ball gazing, 266 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,879 with our own scenario of what could happen 267 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:36,959 if she got in to Number 10. 268 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,879 Margaret Thatcher comes to power 269 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,199 after a close-run general election. 270 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,759 Immediately, Mrs Thatcher cuts taxes 271 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,319 and announces large reductions in public spending. 272 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:48,879 A national ballot of miners 273 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,639 comes out overwhelmingly 274 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,599 in favour of strike action. 275 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:57,719 So, here we are, two Midlanders - East and West. 276 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,639 Oh, yes. And you went to Oxford, too? 277 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,319 On a scholarship, yes. Me, too. 278 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,639 Wouldn't have been able to go otherwise. No, no, of course. 279 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:08,999 Although it did come with an awful lot of hard work, of course. 280 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,719 Oh, yes. That was drilled into me. 281 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,720 Hard work, just rewards. Five, four, three, two... 282 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,440 So, what would Mrs Thatcher do if it came to the crunch? 283 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,520 Thank you for joining us, Mrs Thatcher. 284 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,919 Do you see yourself, as we see you, 285 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,439 as a figure who wants to substantially change 286 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,479 a lot of things in our society, who wants to roll back to 287 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,519 a more individualistic sort of society? 288 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,319 I think government has got into far too many areas, 289 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,319 and government really has tried to stop 290 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,759 a good deal of individual liberty. 291 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,439 Now, I want to roll back those areas of decision, 292 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,479 both from people and businesses. 293 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,239 That's not government's job. 294 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,759 Well... One moment. I want to be absolutely clear. 295 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,479 You see, the whole difference between our society 296 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,959 and that of the United States and Germany 297 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,319 is that they've grown because they've got incentives. 298 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,479 The incentives we haven't had. And I'm going to say 299 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,079 people will respond to those incentives, 300 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,399 and a Socialist government cannot give those incentives, 301 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,759 because all of its philosophy, all of its ideology... 302 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,759 Brian, do challenge her. She's an ideologue, a radical. 303 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:28,679 But governments spend better when leaving the money with people, 304 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,479 and that is why they're coming to us, and not to them. 305 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,159 Uh, well, it's a vision. 306 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,679 Er, but, er, governments aren't conducted on visions, are they? 307 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,240 Oh, no, no, no. It's a reality. 308 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,159 I enjoyed that. 309 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,879 I don't know why some people fear this whole, you know, the medium. 310 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,159 I see these conversations as opportunities. 311 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,399 Well, then, we should do it again sometime. 312 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,919 Er, I think you're that way, we're this. 313 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:04,120 Right. Well, goodbye, then. Goodbye. Bye. 314 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:14,239 Uh-oh, David's not saying anything! Come, dear leader. 315 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,559 Oh, great Strategos, 316 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,839 what mighty thoughts? You went too easy on her. 317 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,799 You gave her all that space to postulate. Don't our audience 318 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,759 want to hear her postulate? The function of a political interview 319 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,839 isn't to provide a platform for the politician... So they make 320 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,959 a judgment about her. ...it's to break apart the platform. 321 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,799 Interesting one, isn't he, Bernard? 322 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,599 Labour man, of course, but... 323 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,679 Well, with his background, like mine, 324 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,279 you take the Labour Party like your mother's milk. 325 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:44,679 One of those aspirational working classes we have to win over. 326 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,159 She was good. Answers the question. Full of substance. 327 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,199 Full to bursting. I've practically got indigestion. 328 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,320 Well, I'm sorry, but I thought it was a disaster. 329 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,879 Well, he's a journalist, at the end of the day. 330 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,119 Out for himself, they all are. 331 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:02,400 Yes, these people must always be kept at arm's length. Mm. 332 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,839 So, we shall be seeing Mrs Thatcher next, among 333 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,079 jubilant party workers. 334 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,319 Mrs Thatcher comes out, 335 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,399 dressed in the most brilliant blue. 336 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,359 Mrs Thatcher, are you still cautiously optimistic? 337 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:21,719 We're reserving judgment, but, yes, optimistic, based on the poll. 338 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,560 Will it be a landslide, Mrs Thatcher? Too early to tell. 339 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,799 Well, if ever anyone looked like a winner, Mrs Thatcher 340 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,120 looks like a winner this evening, as she goes off to Finchley. 341 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,120 Good luck, Maggie! Good luck! Good luck, Maggie! 342 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:47,119 And she must know now that she is safely home and dry. 343 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:49,320 Good luck! Good luck, Maggie! Good luck! 344 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:52,959 It's never happened before. 345 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,599 There's never been a woman Prime Minister of Britain 346 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,399 or of any other Western country. 347 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,119 And that's what we're going to see this afternoon, and it'll be 348 00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:02,799 symbolised on the steps of Number 10. 349 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,360 And that's what this crowd here is waiting for, too. 350 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:28,159 Ah, Brian. Prime Minister. Thank you for coming to see us here. 351 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,119 There's so many of you to get through, I just needed to... 352 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:33,759 Not at all. Happy to be one of The Chosen. 353 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,839 Cut away first? 354 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,359 Er, yes, a quick intro and then... 355 00:19:38,360 --> 00:19:41,920 Presumably, a two-shot, before moving to...? That's right. 356 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,199 Bernard, should that go, that ornament thing? 357 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,439 It looks as if it's sticking out of my head. 358 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:52,199 Don't want people to think I've been impaled. 359 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,040 Ha-ha! Avoid saying this and this. 360 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:58,680 Oh... 361 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:01,840 Yes. 362 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:05,480 Right... 363 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,200 Ready. 364 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,519 Britain enters the '80s 365 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:16,719 with the most radical leadership in a generation. 366 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,159 Margaret Thatcher insists economic prosperity must return 367 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,799 to Britain, and has made it clear she intends to do 368 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,239 whatever is necessary to make her plan work. 369 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,799 Prime Minister, er, it won't surprise you, 370 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,119 and I don't suppose it surprises anybody, 371 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:31,719 that your political opponents think 372 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,559 your economic strategy will fail. Well, theirs failed... 373 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,679 Well, we don't have time to go into that now. ..and so we have to do 374 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,719 something very different... No, wait a minute. It's part of 375 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,079 what you might call the Thatcher Experiment. 376 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,999 Well, what interests me more is that they think even if, 377 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,559 against their expectations, you were to succeed economically, 378 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,959 er, you would still have created a society which is more unequal, 379 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,079 riddled with avoidable injustices. 380 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:57,199 Now, is the price of our economic recovery 381 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,119 and prosperity greater inequality in our country? 382 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:03,479 Indeed, yes. One of the problems... 383 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:08,079 Of course there are differentials for extra effort, extra skill. 384 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,719 You will get a more thriving society when people can rise to 385 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,039 the limit of their talents. For example, 386 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,119 I don't expect to be paid as much as you are, Mr Walden. 387 00:21:18,120 --> 00:21:20,199 Well, erm... 388 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,159 But it-it does mean more inequality, does it not? 389 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,120 It does mean more. Indeed, yes. 390 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,679 She actually answers the bloody question! 391 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,039 I find that refreshing. Yes, but you risk coming across 392 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,359 to the whole world as though you're becoming most enamoured with her. 393 00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:53,519 It's not enamoured. It... Look, she has a mission. 394 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,959 Agree with it or disagree with it, she wants to get something done, 395 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,759 and I want to understand it. Look, I get it. It's your style, 396 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,479 and it's a valid one, opening them up. I just wish, with her, 397 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,719 you'd be a bit harder, because she is hard. 398 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,839 Listen, Brian, look, I'm sorry, but at some point, 399 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,319 you're going to have to let go of the politician 400 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,919 that wants to be liked and embrace the journalist 401 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,559 who can prosecute. Those red lines between the two, 402 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,840 they exist for a reason. Well, then, help me. 403 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,959 You say you want to educate the masses, 404 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,639 start with me, Coxy. 405 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,359 I can learn anything. 406 00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:27,799 Teach me the ways of the great political interviewer 407 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,360 and I'll learn them. OK? 408 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:35,759 So, we start with a mind map. 409 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:36,999 The plan. 410 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,759 A map of potential answers to each question that we can war-game, 411 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,679 so that you can prepare in advance where you go next. 412 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,879 Which I can memorise. Trust me, preparation, 413 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,479 I can do. Preparation, I love. 414 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:55,199 Minister, are you going to perform a U-turn on your manifesto pledge? 415 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,999 If he says "yes", move to 4C, "no", to 8B. 416 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,919 No, I will not be U-turning. Well, then, 417 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,959 are you aware of the cost of continuing down this road 418 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,359 and what's it going to be? The Pointy Heads, 419 00:23:08,360 --> 00:23:11,000 current affairs wonks. I'd stay clear. 420 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,239 If they say, yes, they will increase taxes, 421 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,199 turn right to this question. 422 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,839 If they say, no, they will not, turn left to a different question. 423 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,159 Mr Nott, if you could not, in fact, 424 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,359 bring public borrowing under control by any other means, 425 00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:30,839 then you would have to increase taxes in order to do so. 426 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,199 Most certainly. Most certainly... That's better. 427 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,479 For the Labour Party, I have a very deep umbilical tie. 428 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,519 It would be as painful for me 429 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,279 to break away from it as it would be to break away from a family. 430 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,680 But you might, and it's the might that interests me. 431 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,200 Ah, Geoffrey. 432 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,999 Are you ready for tomorrow's Budget, Chancellor? 433 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,839 Of course, Margaret. 434 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,999 And, Nigel, nice and smart. Huh! 435 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,839 Congrats, Nigel. Energy. On the way up. 436 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,719 Cheers. Yes, lots to do. 437 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,479 Exactly. Energy, that's what we need. 438 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,479 Come and sit down. I want you right here, Geoffrey, 439 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,159 on my right, as Chancellor. OK. Then, Nigel... 440 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,999 Er, are you being any use? Doing my... Do something. 441 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,119 Um, Michael, you're a bit tall, 442 00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:28,439 would you please stand in the back row? 443 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,239 Anyone else who's very tall? 444 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,319 Ah, just one moment. 445 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,160 Forgive me, Margaret, I... 446 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,439 I thought I'd just run through these projections... 447 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,560 Who the devil's that? 448 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,519 Oh, isn't it her new economic adviser - Adam, Alan...? 449 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,159 Alan Walters. Mad professor, has the PM's ear, 450 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,439 but it won't last. 451 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,520 Best avoid him at all costs. 452 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,559 Just bear with... 453 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,520 Right, are we all ready... 454 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,800 ...to face the lens of history? 455 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,519 Yes, over to you. 456 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:08,920 Everyone look at me, please. 457 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,079 Pennies don't come from heaven, Brian, 458 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,079 they have to be earned here on Earth, 459 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,759 and there are plenty out there to be earned. 460 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,039 ? When I'm with you, baby 461 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,759 ? I go out of my head 462 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:24,119 ? I just can't get enough 463 00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:25,639 ? All the things you do to me 464 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,399 ? And everything you said 465 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,599 ? I just can't get enough 466 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,559 ? We slip and slide as we fall in love 467 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:39,080 ? And I just can't seem to get enough of... ? 468 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,159 If we do all the right things, you know, 469 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,479 keep public spending under control, 470 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,679 keep public borrowing down, 471 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,760 then the boat will come in. 472 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,159 Well, erm, that answer, 473 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,999 er, provokes me to ask you a question, Prime Minister. I'd hoped 474 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,199 I wasn't being provocative. No, no, I don't mean in that sense. 475 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,759 I meant that it was stimulative... Mm. ..and it stimulates me 476 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,279 to ask you a question. 477 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,439 When you talk about your values, 478 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,799 er, those values have a resonance in our past. 479 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,559 What I would call Victorian values. Now, is that correct? 480 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,679 Yes, exactly. Very much so. 481 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,999 Those were the values when our country became great. 482 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,159 Yes, Victorian values, I'm quite pleased with that. 483 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,919 I know, but you heard her, she's going to start using that now, 484 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,439 a line you fed her. Isn't this exactly the kind of thing 485 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,919 David is...? Yes, but we're helping define the news for our audience, 486 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,559 not just report it, all right? Look, I've got to file my column. 487 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,759 OK, I'll head back inside. OK. Well done tonight. 488 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,480 Chin-chin, bravo, see you tomorrow. 489 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,559 You don't fancy a drink, do you? 490 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,679 Er... Oh, well, erm, actually, I... 491 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,879 I probably, I'd best not get a slapped wrist and, er... 492 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,359 But, erm, cheers, anyway. 493 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:16,839 No, I was never a socialist. Come on, admit it. 494 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,559 No, honestly. Honestly. 495 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,799 This is the thing that people on the left - 496 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,119 well, the further left - have never understood 497 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:26,039 about actual working people. We don't want hand-outs. 498 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,799 My dad didn't. We value hard work. 499 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,679 I've always been more of a meritocrat. 500 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,879 Yes, a meritocracy. Exactly. 501 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,319 And you and I are very good examples of that. 502 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,679 We got to the very top of our profession, 503 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,399 against all the odds. BRIAN CHUCKLES 504 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,599 Look at us. BRIAN CHUCKLES 505 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:43,720 To us! 506 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,000 SHE CHUCKLES 507 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:53,079 Erm, just to say, er, if we can keep this between... 508 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,039 Oh, full confidentiality. 509 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,280 Like a doctor, or a priest! BRIAN CHUCKLES 510 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,359 I remember, er, something you said in the Commons. 511 00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:06,079 Er, of course, I didn't know you from Adam back then, 512 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,359 but I-I made a mental note of it. 513 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:13,679 Oh, really? What was it that I said? You were talking about... 514 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,839 You used this phrase - 515 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,519 "The furtherance of remarkable people" - 516 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,559 and, er, I like that. The aspiration of it. 517 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,599 Didn't matter where you were from, man or woman. 518 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:29,079 Yes, exactly. You see, there are so many, well, men. 519 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,799 Denis and I have to tolerate them, we have to entertain them here, 520 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,999 and they didn't earn their place, 521 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,879 they just knew someone who knew someone. 522 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,079 And they bluff and they blag their way through, 523 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,479 and they have unlimited chances. 524 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:49,799 But me, if I don't spend hours and hours preparing every detail... 525 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,599 Me too. I'm-I'm exactly the same. Exactly the same. Yes. You see, 526 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,199 you never do shake it off, do you? That feeling one has 527 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,880 of being an outsider. 528 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,479 I think that's why I, um, 529 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,639 I've always been nervous, er, of, I don't know, 530 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,159 the mob. Mm. The unions, even. 531 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,519 My father was a glass-blower and, er, very hard-working, 532 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,119 frequently out of work because of the closed shop. 533 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,519 Mm. They wouldn't accept him, wouldn't let him in. 534 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,200 I never knew why. And your mother? 535 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,799 She passed away when I was, uh, 12. 536 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,399 Oh, I'm sorry. 537 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,559 She was the stronger one. Er, maybe too strong, some thought. 538 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,439 Er, she was a bookbinder. 539 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,599 My God, the, er, the luck of that. 540 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,599 That's the only reason there were books in the house. 541 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,319 She never read them, of course, but, er, for me, 542 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,279 being on my own a lot, er, 543 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,999 never really being into having friends, 544 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,439 er, I was very happy. On my own, book in my lap, 545 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,160 entering brave new worlds. 546 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,240 Well, it seems to me you've made your own luck, Brian. 547 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,399 I'm very aware, 548 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,679 painfully aware, that one mistake 549 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,799 and "they" will have me out. 550 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:13,560 One day, doesn't matter what I do, someone will come for me. 551 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,560 I reckon there's no-one you won't be able to see off, Margaret. 552 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:30,879 ? My head is in a spin 553 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,319 ? My feet don't touch the ground 554 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,919 ? Because you're near to me 555 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,759 ? My head goes round and round... ? 556 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,319 "This country needs Margaret Thatcher, 557 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,239 "someone unafraid to offer a vision. 558 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,679 "What can I say? She tickles me, 559 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,559 "and I think I understand her. 560 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,239 "In years to come, great novels will be written about her." 561 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,799 ? Ain't been this way before 562 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,239 ? But I know I'm turned on 563 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,039 ? It's time for something, baby 564 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,319 ? I can't turn off... ? 565 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,479 CROWD CHANTS: We want Tebbit! 566 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,759 We want Tebbit! We want Tebbit! 567 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,319 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to 568 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,679 the Young Conservatives' Conference Mr Kenny Everett! 569 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,720 Let's bomb Russia! 570 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,280 Let's kick Michael Foot's stick way! 571 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,919 Put your hands together for 572 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,479 Jimmy Tarbuck and Steve Davis! 573 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:24,839 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 574 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,840 CROWD CHANTING 575 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,119 Ronnie, you're here. 576 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,879 All hail the speech writer! 577 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,679 Did you see the rally at Wembley? 578 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,879 I did. Oh, they were going wild. Almost hysterical, some of them. 579 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,599 Oh, is hysteria a thing to be courted and celebrated? 580 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,359 All feels a bit American. Oh, Ronnie, it's only that, uh, 581 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,679 it proves what a draw she is amongst the young. You wanted me to take 582 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,640 another run at the text for Wednesday. Yes. 583 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,279 It's the last party broadcast before the election day 584 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,159 and I think, we think, 585 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,039 following on from what we've just seen, 586 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,559 right, Ian? Yes, yeah, capturing, harnessing the mood. 587 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,839 You know, the energy. It's real, it's there, so... 588 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,999 Well, I-I... I was going for mood, 589 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,719 a sort of thoughtful mood piece. No. That's what we want changed. 590 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,679 Hammer home our achievements, 591 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,239 bang-bang-bang, and what we've still got left to do, 592 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,319 boom-boom-boom. 593 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,599 The people, they're ready now for some confidence, some ambition, 594 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,679 to go further in the fight, to... That's what the campaign has been, 595 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:39,319 bangs and booms. I thought now, a little night music. 596 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,879 A little night music? 597 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,199 Ronald, we want them on their feet, 598 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,079 like they were today. "Maggie, Maggie..." Margaret, must everything 599 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,080 always be a fight? Can't it sometimes be peace and quiet? 600 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,079 Ron's gone wobbly. 601 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,919 We'll need another writer. 602 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,760 What? Sorry, Ron. 603 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,839 Maybe someone from Saatchi's? No, not an ad man. We want poetry. 604 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,719 This is about instinct. 605 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,480 Somebody who knows what we are and what we need to say, in his gut. 606 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,359 What about Brian? Brian? 607 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,239 Is that proper? 608 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,759 And he's not a speech writer, he's a journalist, and a good one. 609 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,999 Ronnie's a playwright, and a good one. 610 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,239 Thank you. Goodnight. 611 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,640 Goodnight, Ronnie. 612 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,799 It's just... I don't know what the protocol... 613 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,520 And it's nearly midnight. Call him. Call Brian. 614 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,800 PHONE RINGS 615 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,040 Uh... 616 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,719 Hello? Brian, forgive the hour. It's Ian Gow. 617 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,999 You're not around, are you? 618 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,759 Uh, around? For, er... 619 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,079 For what, and when? 620 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,879 We wondered if... Well, now, actually. 621 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,839 Final party political broadcast 622 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,519 going out the night before polling day... Uh! 623 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,679 ...and Margaret just wondered about getting your take on it. 624 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,679 She'd just like your brain on it. 625 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,920 Brain of Brian, Brian's brain. 626 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,199 Uh, maybe I should sleep on it, 627 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,239 uh, or check with some of the... you know, it's OK, to... 628 00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:36,799 It's only that we'd need to get you into a cab sort of now-ish. 629 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,399 And maybe best just kept between ourselves. 630 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,159 Less complicated. 631 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,640 For you, I mean. 632 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,639 Brian! Ah. Honestly, I can't thank you enough. 633 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,080 Have some coffee. Thank you, yes. 634 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,439 Well, I-I saw the clips. 635 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,559 Uh, Wembley. Jimmy Tarbuck, 636 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,879 Kenny Everett. Mm-hm. Even Steve Davis looked excited, 637 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,159 for Steve Davis. He stinks of booze. He's been drinking... 638 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,639 Oh, for heaven's sake, Ian! 639 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,920 Go and knit a quilt or something. 640 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,560 Here. Coffee. 641 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,280 Black as the night. 642 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,599 Yes, the rally rather took us by surprise, 643 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,719 hence why we want to cross the finishing line 644 00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:27,760 a bit more triumphantly, with a bit more punch. 645 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:36,880 Yes, erm, it's-it's a little, er, tricky, er... 646 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,719 Unwritten rules of journalism, you know? Church and State... 647 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:43,319 No, of course. 648 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,759 Oh, completely. 649 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,999 This doesn't have to affect that. 650 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,960 Brian, you're a professional and I'm a professional. Absolutely. 651 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,799 You know, there's been some polling done today. 652 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,239 Polling all the time, of course, but on this policy or that message, 653 00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:07,600 but this was specifically on me. 654 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,719 Well, let me guess, the same lazy stereotypes, 655 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:17,959 battle-axe sort of stuff? Strong, yes, capable, 656 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,599 just not likeable, apparently. 657 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,919 Well, I mean, that's... that's your public persona. 658 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,640 Er, in private... 659 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,519 I mean, in private, er, I-I like you. 660 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,440 Thank you, Brian. 661 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,720 And I wasn't fishing. 662 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,000 No, it's just that I know one has to be... 663 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,679 You see, when I first came into this, 664 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,479 everyone before me had been so wet. 665 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,279 Wet! And nothing got done. 666 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,559 And I refuse to be that. 667 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,239 No, the moment you stop driving hard, 668 00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,120 the whole thing comes off the road. 669 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,560 It's just... 670 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,439 Oh, I don't know, maybe I should have shown some, 671 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,119 I don't know, humility or softness. 672 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,959 No, this country is so bloody lily-livered. 673 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,279 You mustn't bend, Margaret. There's too much to do. 674 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,319 I wouldn't give them an inch, I mean it. 675 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,399 At crucial moments like this, never compromise, never flinch. 676 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,719 And you can forget your naysayers. 677 00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:27,679 You have plenty of people who... believe in you. 678 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:32,359 And I do like fun, you know? I can... 679 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,640 I can tell a joke. 680 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,599 I heard one only the other day. What was it? 681 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,839 Erm, there's this man in a hospital, and... 682 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,679 No. No, no, no. No. ...he goes into a bar, 683 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,560 and he's still wearing his gown, and he... 684 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,320 Oh, no. Well, I'll... I'll remember it. 685 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,839 But thank you, Brian, for your faith. 686 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,039 You were one of the first people to take me seriously, 687 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,480 when everyone else dismissed me out of hand. 688 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,640 I'll always be grateful for that. 689 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,080 So, shall we get on? 690 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:17,039 BOTH: ..For freedom, freedom is the birthright of every citizen. 691 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,079 To preserve and defend that freedom, 692 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,159 to defend it from within and from without. 693 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,439 Amen! 694 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,759 BOTH: In Britain today, there is no room 695 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,239 for outdated distinctions of class or creed. 696 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:32,519 It doesn't matter who you are, 697 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,280 or who your father is, or where you came from. 698 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,640 TELEPHONE RINGS 699 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,679 Hello? 700 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,119 MARGARET THATCHER: So, there's this man who goes into a pub 701 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,279 from the hospital next door 702 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,959 and he's still wearing his gown, 703 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,679 and he's pulling his IV stand along with him, 704 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,439 you know, all that business, 705 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,999 and the landlord looks a bit worried. 706 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,719 He says, "Can I help you?" 707 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:10,959 And our chap says, "Yes, please. I'd like two pints of lager, 708 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,719 "two Guinness, er, four gin and tonics, 709 00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:17,559 "and three shots of tequila." 710 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,199 And it's a free world, so the landlord, 711 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,159 you know, he's an entrepreneurial sort, 712 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,479 he gives the man his drinks. 713 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,399 And then the man downs them, one by one, 714 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,680 ending up with the shots of tequila. 715 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,079 And he turns to the landlord and he says, "Do you know, 716 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,439 "I really shouldn't have drunk all that, with what I've got." 717 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,519 And the landlord says, "Why, what have you got?" 718 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,560 And he says, "About ๏ฟฝ3.50." 719 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,240 SHE HANGS UP 720 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,919 And I will honour that pledge I made you, 721 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,199 in this unrelenting quest 722 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,759 to break down the old barriers 723 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,159 and build a Britain where it doesn't matter who your father is, 724 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,359 or where you've come from. 725 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,799 The certainty of liberty... Remember this moment. 726 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,239 ...and the chance of property ownership. The sense of triumph 727 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:17,519 on their faces. Look at it. People should be able 728 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,399 to own their own homes... They think they're untouchable now. 729 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,759 A landslide. 730 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:27,839 The Falklands, all of it. Won't need to be held accountable on camera, 731 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,999 subjected to scrutiny any more. I passionately believe... 732 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,079 Well, yes, they are strong now, which means we have to be stronger 733 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,439 and harder and tougher in return, 734 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,320 on behalf of our viewers. OK? 735 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,800 Right? Right. 736 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,360 Mr Lawson? Prime Minister has asked you to come upstairs. 737 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,639 KNOCK AT DOOR 738 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,360 Yes. Come in. 739 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,320 He's here. 740 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,800 Assuming he accepts, I'll get it out in the first editions. 741 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:18,039 All hunky-dory? Still riding high on a wave? 742 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,960 Hunky-dory. 743 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,560 What's worrying you? 744 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,319 Have you ever, in the moment, just given a piece of yourself 745 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,999 to somebody, perhaps more than you meant to, and then, 746 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,519 after the fact, you...? 747 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,080 No, I don't know. 748 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,639 Who? No, it doesn't matter. 749 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,360 Doesn't matter. Show him in. 750 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,520 Nigel. Prime Minister. Come on in and sit down. 751 00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:04,599 So, Geoffrey is taking the Foreign brief. 752 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,319 I was rather hoping you would take up his mantle as Chancellor. 753 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,959 I would like that very much. 754 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,719 It would be a great honour to accept. 755 00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:13,159 Well, there's no time like the present. 756 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:17,039 I thought it would be good to get into a routine of having 757 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,319 little informal chats a couple of times a week, 758 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,279 because, you know, the relationship between Prime Minister 759 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,879 and Chancellor needs to be very, very close, don't you agree? 760 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,639 Without question, Prime Minister. 761 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,679 Margaret. Margaret. 762 00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,079 You've proved yourself to be able to get things done, 763 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,759 and this term, it's time, it's time to start selling back 764 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,399 to the private sector everything that came under public ownership 765 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,239 after the War. We must let them get out there and thrive, 766 00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:51,359 with confidence. Yes? 767 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,080 Absolutely. Let's get on with it. Right. 768 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,080 And to that end, Nigel... 769 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,240 ...were you thinking of having a haircut? 770 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,399 Haircut? It's long and unkempt. 771 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,160 That's the other lot, isn't it? Of course, Margaret. 772 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:11,759 Prime Minister? 773 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,519 Switchboard have Brian Walden on the phone. 774 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:19,840 Erm yes, would you pass that on to Bernard, please, instead? 775 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,559 Margaret, how are you? 776 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,000 Well, Brian. Always well. 777 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,800 OK. All set? 778 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,559 Four, three, two... 779 00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,279 DOOR OPENS 780 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,240 What on earth is going on out there? 781 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:15,880 Betrayal. 782 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:34,800 Subtitles by Red Bee Media 783 00:44:34,850 --> 00:44:39,400 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 62755

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