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Tell the people.
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Tell them on television.
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Questions in the public mind,
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answered by people
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in the public eye.
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Good evening. A few minutes ago,
the Prime Minister,
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The Right Honourable
Harold Macmillan,
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came to Television House, and
he's here now in the ITN studio.
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But why should the public,
on this issue,
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as regards the future of
the Royal Navy, believe you -
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a transient, er, here-today
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and, if I may say so,
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gone-tomorrow politician -
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rather than a senior officer of
many years' experience? I'm sorry,
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I'm fed up with this interview.
Ridiculous!
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Thank you, Mr Nott. It's a straight
yes-or-no question. You can put the
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question. I will give you an answer.
It's a straight yes-or-no answer.
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It may be the question, but it's not
the way I choose to answer it.
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The Prime Minister's just arrived
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in the last few seconds.
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Morning, Prime Minister,
would you come on
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Good Morning Britain,
Prime Minister?
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BLEEP!
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GASPING
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Morning-morning, Brian, how are we?
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Fine, thank you, Pam, good morning.
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Sleepless night, was it?
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Better use my thick brush, eh?
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{\an8}I've always quite liked her.
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{\an8}Well, how sort of single-minded
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{\an8}she is, anyway.
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{\an8}I can't remember,
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{\an8}have you interviewed her before?
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{\an8}Oh, yes, many times, over the years.
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{\an8}Brian?
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{\an8}She'll have seen this too,
of course.
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{\an8}She'll have to come out
fighting now, don't you think?
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Brian.
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What have you decided,
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the, er, strategy?
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What are you going to do?
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{\an8}Look, bad timing, that's all.
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{\an8}And it's a full
45 minutes, remember?
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{\an8}He's your favourite for a reason,
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{\an8}and he's a friend.
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{\an8}Be a walk in the park.
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Just this way, please,
Prime Minister.
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Margaret, how are you?
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Well, Brian, always well.
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Now, I expect you'll
be starting off with
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you-know-who and you-know-what...
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Hello, good morning.
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...but I do hope we can then move on
to something of more substance,
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like we usually do.
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HE SIGHS
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He seems, dare I say it, nervous,
and he's never nervous.
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It's making me nervous.
Can you stop saying "nervous"?
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Five, four, three, two...
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Good afternoon.
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Nigel Lawson's shock resignation
has plunged the Prime Minister
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into the most serious
political crisis of her career.
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Prime Minister, many people,
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including many of your supporters,
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blame you for the resignation.
Now, how you respond to these claims
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may be of crucial significance
for you, personally,
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and for your government.
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So, I put it to you,
are you to blame?
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I put this to our Chancellor.
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There's no reason
he has to answer it,
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I'm not that important.
LAUGHTER
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But I'm afraid I cannot vote with
my own government on this order.
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I regret it, but I cannot do so.
These are old solutions
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for an increasingly tired country,
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desperate to feel
new and young again.
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Many of my, er, honourable friends,
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er, whose conscience and experience
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are not less than mine
and, in many cases, are greater,
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will vote for the Government.
I respect their decision,
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as they will respect mine.
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Could he be our man?
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My judgment is that
we are at the end of our tether.
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MURMURS AND GROANS
The member for Dover.
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My honourable friend
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makes some exceptional points,
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and I believe has captured
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the despair of this nation.
MURMURS AND GROANS
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Where are the answers
in this government's proposals
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to the challenges we face?
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Nowhere.
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Inflation, nowhere.
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Stagnation, nowhere.
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Unemployment, nowhere.
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Brian Walden, for David Cox.
Oh, yes, ninth floor.
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Well, what can I say?
London, Weekend, Television,
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three of the most glamorous things
there are.
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But, uh, if we do, er,
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collectively decide
to give this a go,
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I'd have to stand down.
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An MP with a regular spot on
television, that would be...
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I mean, wouldn't that be...?
Unethical? Yes.
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Ah. And, uh, how would that,
you know, be, giving that all up?
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Well, it's no secret
I'm no fan of the direction
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the Labour Party is heading.
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Completely at the mercy of
the unions,
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all these
North London Marxist types,
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not the broader tradition
I came from. Er, in fact, er,
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to be honest, I don't think I should
ever have been an MP at all.
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Working-class lad at Oxford,
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I was flattered into it.
You realise pretty quickly,
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er, just how little an impact,
as an individual, you can have.
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Weekend World is a unique show at
LWT. They pretty much leave us alone
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to do what we do. And, er, what
is it you think you do, my old son?
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A long-form, forensic interview,
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to help facilitate
mass comprehension.
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Mass comprehension? My, oh, my!
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In other words,
helping folk understand
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what the hell is going on?
When we came on air, years ago,
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we were, and still are,
the only political programme
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to put a single interviewee
through their paces
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for an entire show.
And we do that on the same channel,
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and in-between repeats of
Upstairs, Downstairs,
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and wrestlers knocking ten bells
of shit out of one another
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for Weekend Sport,
because we believe
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the political interview
ought to play a part in
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a popular audience's understanding
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of the world they live in.
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Very good, nicely pitched.
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And as regards you and, er,
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current affairs?
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No affairs, currently.
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I'm very faithful to my wife, at
present. Why, what have you heard?
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This is, er, your third wife?
BRIAN SIGHS
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But, you know, some gobby bloke with
a common-as-muck Midlands accent,
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when you think of The News, how
it sounds... doesn't sound like me.
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No, but you sound like our audience.
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Ha-ha-ha! Well, I suppose
when you think about it,
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Shakespeare, the great
vendor of the English language,
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he was a Brummie, wasn't he?
In fact, he probably
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said those lines just like this.
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IN BRUMMIE ACCENT: "Romeo, Romeo"?
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"Wherefore art thou Romeo?"
CHUCKLING
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I'll see you around, gentlemen.
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So, Brian, this is, er, the
rest of the production team.
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Hello... Hello.
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You look young. What's your story?
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I, er... I did a stint at
BBC Birmingham, actually,
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your neck of the... Oh. They have
this South Asian Programming Unit
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there now. Wonderful. Don't tell me
you're a West Bromwich Albion fan?
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No, wait, hold the line.
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Er, seventh this year
in the First Division.
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Before that, third in the Second,
and then sixth, and then eighth.
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Photographic memory.
Test me on anything, Sue.
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Anything. What's your passion?
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Barry Manilow,
and meetings starting on time.
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You're sceptical, John.
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Mm. It's my job
to be sceptical of politicians.
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And here we are, inviting one
into our team. Well, they told us
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to shake things up. He was thought
of as a future party leader once.
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You don't think
he'll be lightweight?
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Politicians always, at some level,
just want to be liked.
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If I've learnt one thing,
it's that a show like this,
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you're only ever one rating's dip,
one whiff of an audience
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losing interest before...
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Well...
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He's got something.
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We take the risk.
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Your first guest should be
someone quite, er, loud.
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Draw in some press.
A political titan.
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Maybe Roy Jenkins, Denis Healey,
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Airey Neave, even Ted Heath.
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Already done him, done him twice,
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won't do it and, oh, my Christ,
do you want people to fall asleep?!
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I have a suggestion, actually.
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That's a blank piece of paper.
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It is. I was hoping for
a dramatic reveal.
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I stand corrected.
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Right, here we go.
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Margaret Thatcher?
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Yes. Interview
the Leader of the Opposition,
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while she's still relatively green.
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Her other interviews
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haven't been hugely illuminating.
BRIAN SIGHS
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To me, she trots out
other people's philosophies.
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Keith Joseph, er,
monetarism, libertarianism,
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but I'm not sure there's much
going on there,
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apart from her... uh, being...
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Oh, right, the only thing going
for her is that she's a woman.
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No, no, I... Although...
Although that is interesting,
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I think people are
missing something.
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Er, she was pretty ruthless
in deposing her predecessor.
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So, why? What does she want?
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What is this change
she's hoping to bring?
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Isn't that worth finding out?
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I think there's a bigger agenda
here. I think that's...
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I don't think that's
the right direction to go down.
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All thoughts are welcome. Polices.
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We're not saying she's in favour...
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CONVERSATION CONTINUES
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Margaret Thatcher,
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er, since you became
leader of your party... Yes.
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...you have broken the tradition,
in so far as...
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? Yes, sir, I can boogie
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? If you stay, you can't go wrong
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? I can boogie, boogie-woogie
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? All night long
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? No, sir
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? I don't feel
very much like talking
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? No, neither walking... ?
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Brian...
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...or should that be Mr Walden?
Forgive me.
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Mrs Thatcher.
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I'd heard rumours that you
were thinking of crossing
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the floor to us, once upon a time,
but now you've gone further,
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you've crossed the river instead!
Ha-ha! Yes.
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Well, it's all... It's all very new.
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Well, it still is to me too, so...
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You are new and I am new.
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Excuse me, Mr Walden, Mrs Thatcher,
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if you'd like to come this way,
please. Mr Walden...
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Where do you want me?
Mrs Thatcher, just across there.
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OK, if we go in for tight on
camera one, please.
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On one... Yeah. Tiny bit tighter...
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Yeah, that looks good. Good.
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Camera three, wide as well.
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OK. Brian, can you hear me?
God, that's loud!
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Will you be doing that
the whole time?
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So, you'll be
all the way over there?
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Oh, yes. No, erm...
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It's just a sort of a funky idea
that they're trying out
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for the opening. On camera, it'll
look as if we're facing each other,
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but in different aspects.
So, if you face, and I face,
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then... You see? On the monitor?
Ah, yes.
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Recording beginning in five, four,
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three, two, one... Roll credits.
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TITLE MUSIC PLAYS
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Hello, and good morning.
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One of the most urgent questions to
which everyone wants an answer is,
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if we vote Margaret Thatcher into
Number 10 at the next election,
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will we be voting for a disastrous
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and futile confrontation between the
Government and the unions? Today,
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on Weekend World, we will try and
answer that question.
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First, though, the news headlines,
with Gordon Honeycombe.
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There's more conjecture about
Middle East peace moves
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after the unexpected return
to Israel last night from Paris
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of the Israeli Foreign Secretary,
Mr Dayan.
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And the Egyptian Foreign Minister,
Mr Fahmi,
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has left Cairo for France.
He's also on his way to America,
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with Egyptian proposals
for a Middle East settlement.
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More than 40 fire bombs...
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All right, main interview.
Good luck, Brian.
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In speeches up and down the country,
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Mrs Thatcher has often
startled her audiences.
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Instead of the reassurance
we've come to expect
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from Conservative leaders,
Mrs Thatcher conveyed
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a sense of imminent danger.
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There's a reason Mrs Thatcher
sounds more militant
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than other post-war leaders.
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They've avoided identifying
the party too closely with
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any particular doctrine
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because they've been afraid
that ideology costs votes.
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Today, we're not going to consider
whether those
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policies are, in themselves,
good or bad for Britain
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but, instead, try to work out
whether she would overcome
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the opposition
she's bound to run into.
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So, we've indulged in
a little crystal-ball gazing,
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with our own scenario
of what could happen
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if she got in to Number 10.
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Margaret Thatcher comes to power
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after a close-run general election.
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Immediately, Mrs Thatcher cuts taxes
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and announces large reductions
in public spending.
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A national ballot of miners
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comes out overwhelmingly
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in favour of strike action.
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So, here we are, two Midlanders -
East and West.
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Oh, yes.
And you went to Oxford, too?
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On a scholarship, yes. Me, too.
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Wouldn't have been able to go
otherwise. No, no, of course.
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Although it did come with an awful
lot of hard work, of course.
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Oh, yes. That was drilled into me.
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Hard work, just rewards.
Five, four, three, two...
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So, what would Mrs Thatcher do
if it came to the crunch?
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Thank you for joining us,
Mrs Thatcher.
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Do you see yourself, as we see you,
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as a figure who wants to
substantially change
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a lot of things in our society,
who wants to roll back to
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a more individualistic
sort of society?
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I think government has got into
far too many areas,
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and government really has
tried to stop
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a good deal of individual liberty.
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Now, I want to roll back
those areas of decision,
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both from people and businesses.
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That's not government's job.
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Well... One moment.
I want to be absolutely clear.
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You see, the whole difference
between our society
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and that of
the United States and Germany
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is that they've grown
because they've got incentives.
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The incentives we haven't had.
And I'm going to say
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people will respond
to those incentives,
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and a Socialist government
cannot give those incentives,
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because all of its philosophy,
all of its ideology...
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Brian, do challenge her.
She's an ideologue, a radical.
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But governments spend better
when leaving the money with people,
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and that is why they're coming
to us, and not to them.
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Uh, well, it's a vision.
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Er, but, er, governments aren't
conducted on visions, are they?
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Oh, no, no, no. It's a reality.
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I enjoyed that.
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I don't know why some people fear
this whole, you know, the medium.
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I see these conversations
as opportunities.
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Well, then, we should
do it again sometime.
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Er, I think you're that way,
we're this.
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Right. Well, goodbye, then.
Goodbye. Bye.
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Uh-oh, David's not saying anything!
Come, dear leader.
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Oh, great Strategos,
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what mighty thoughts?
You went too easy on her.
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You gave her all that space to
postulate. Don't our audience
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want to hear her postulate? The
function of a political interview
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isn't to provide a platform
for the politician... So they make
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a judgment about her.
...it's to break apart the platform.
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Interesting one, isn't he, Bernard?
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Labour man, of course, but...
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Well, with his background,
like mine,
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you take the Labour Party
like your mother's milk.
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One of those aspirational
working classes we have to win over.
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She was good. Answers the question.
Full of substance.
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Full to bursting.
I've practically got indigestion.
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Well, I'm sorry,
but I thought it was a disaster.
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Well, he's a journalist,
at the end of the day.
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Out for himself, they all are.
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Yes, these people must always
be kept at arm's length. Mm.
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So, we shall be seeing
Mrs Thatcher next, among
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jubilant party workers.
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Mrs Thatcher comes out,
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dressed in the most brilliant blue.
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Mrs Thatcher, are you still
cautiously optimistic?
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We're reserving judgment, but,
yes, optimistic, based on the poll.
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Will it be a landslide,
Mrs Thatcher? Too early to tell.
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Well, if ever anyone looked
like a winner, Mrs Thatcher
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looks like a winner this evening,
as she goes off to Finchley.
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Good luck, Maggie! Good luck!
Good luck, Maggie!
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And she must know now
that she is safely home and dry.
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Good luck!
Good luck, Maggie! Good luck!
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It's never happened before.
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There's never been a woman
Prime Minister of Britain
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or of any other Western country.
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And that's what we're going to see
this afternoon, and it'll be
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symbolised on the steps of
Number 10.
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And that's what this crowd
here is waiting for, too.
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Ah, Brian. Prime Minister.
Thank you for coming to see us here.
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There's so many of you to get
through, I just needed to...
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Not at all.
Happy to be one of The Chosen.
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Cut away first?
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Er, yes, a quick intro and then...
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Presumably, a two-shot,
before moving to...? That's right.
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Bernard, should that go,
that ornament thing?
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It looks as if
it's sticking out of my head.
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Don't want people to think
I've been impaled.
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Ha-ha! Avoid saying this and this.
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Oh...
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Yes.
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Right...
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Ready.
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Britain enters the '80s
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with the most radical leadership
in a generation.
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Margaret Thatcher insists
economic prosperity must return
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to Britain, and has made it clear
she intends to do
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whatever is necessary
to make her plan work.
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Prime Minister, er,
it won't surprise you,
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and I don't suppose
it surprises anybody,
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that your political opponents think
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your economic strategy will fail.
Well, theirs failed...
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Well, we don't have time to go into
that now. ..and so we have to do
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something very different...
No, wait a minute. It's part of
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what you might call
the Thatcher Experiment.
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Well, what interests me more
is that they think even if,
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against their expectations,
you were to succeed economically,
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er, you would still have created
a society which is more unequal,
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riddled with avoidable injustices.
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Now, is the price of
our economic recovery
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and prosperity
greater inequality in our country?
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Indeed, yes. One of the problems...
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Of course there are differentials
for extra effort, extra skill.
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You will get a more thriving society
when people can rise to
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the limit of their talents.
For example,
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I don't expect to be paid as
much as you are, Mr Walden.
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Well, erm...
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But it-it does mean more
inequality, does it not?
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It does mean more. Indeed, yes.
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She actually answers
the bloody question!
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I find that refreshing.
Yes, but you risk coming across
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to the whole world as though you're
becoming most enamoured with her.
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It's not enamoured. It...
Look, she has a mission.
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Agree with it or disagree with it,
she wants to get something done,
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and I want to understand it.
Look, I get it. It's your style,
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and it's a valid one, opening
them up. I just wish, with her,
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you'd be a bit harder,
because she is hard.
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Listen, Brian, look,
I'm sorry, but at some point,
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you're going to have to
let go of the politician
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that wants to be liked
and embrace the journalist
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who can prosecute.
Those red lines between the two,
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they exist for a reason.
Well, then, help me.
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You say you want to
educate the masses,
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start with me, Coxy.
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I can learn anything.
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Teach me the ways of
the great political interviewer
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and I'll learn them. OK?
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So, we start with a mind map.
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The plan.
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A map of potential answers to each
question that we can war-game,
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so that you can prepare in advance
where you go next.
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Which I can memorise.
Trust me, preparation,
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I can do. Preparation, I love.
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Minister, are you going to perform
a U-turn on your manifesto pledge?
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If he says "yes", move to 4C,
"no", to 8B.
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No, I will not be U-turning.
Well, then,
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are you aware of the cost of
continuing down this road
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and what's it going to be?
The Pointy Heads,
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current affairs wonks.
I'd stay clear.
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If they say, yes,
they will increase taxes,
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turn right to this question.
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If they say, no, they will not,
turn left to a different question.
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Mr Nott, if you could not, in fact,
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bring public borrowing under
control by any other means,
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then you would have to increase
taxes in order to do so.
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Most certainly. Most certainly...
That's better.
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For the Labour Party,
I have a very deep umbilical tie.
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It would be as painful for me
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to break away from it as it would be
to break away from a family.
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But you might, and it's the might
that interests me.
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Ah, Geoffrey.
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Are you ready for tomorrow's
Budget, Chancellor?
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Of course, Margaret.
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And, Nigel, nice and smart. Huh!
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Congrats, Nigel.
Energy. On the way up.
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Cheers. Yes, lots to do.
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Exactly.
Energy, that's what we need.
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Come and sit down.
I want you right here, Geoffrey,
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on my right, as Chancellor.
OK. Then, Nigel...
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Er, are you being any use?
Doing my... Do something.
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Um, Michael, you're a bit tall,
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would you please stand in
the back row?
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Anyone else who's very tall?
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Ah, just one moment.
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Forgive me, Margaret, I...
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I thought I'd just run through
these projections...
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Who the devil's that?
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Oh, isn't it her new
economic adviser - Adam, Alan...?
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Alan Walters.
Mad professor, has the PM's ear,
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but it won't last.
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Best avoid him at all costs.
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Just bear with...
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Right, are we all ready...
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...to face the lens of history?
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Yes, over to you.
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Everyone look at me, please.
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Pennies don't come
from heaven, Brian,
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they have to be earned
here on Earth,
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and there are plenty out there
to be earned.
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? When I'm with you, baby
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? I go out of my head
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? I just can't get enough
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? All the things you do to me
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? And everything you said
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? I just can't get enough
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? We slip and slide
as we fall in love
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? And I just can't seem to
get enough of... ?
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If we do all the right things,
you know,
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keep public spending under control,
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keep public borrowing down,
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then the boat will come in.
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Well, erm, that answer,
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er, provokes me to ask you a
question, Prime Minister. I'd hoped
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I wasn't being provocative. No, no,
I don't mean in that sense.
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I meant that it was stimulative...
Mm. ..and it stimulates me
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to ask you a question.
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When you talk about your values,
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er, those values
have a resonance in our past.
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What I would call Victorian values.
Now, is that correct?
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Yes, exactly. Very much so.
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Those were the values
when our country became great.
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Yes, Victorian values,
I'm quite pleased with that.
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I know, but you heard her,
she's going to start using that now,
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a line you fed her.
Isn't this exactly the kind of thing
485
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,919
David is...? Yes, but we're helping
define the news for our audience,
486
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,559
not just report it, all right?
Look, I've got to file my column.
487
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,759
OK, I'll head back inside.
OK. Well done tonight.
488
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,480
Chin-chin, bravo, see you tomorrow.
489
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,559
You don't fancy a drink, do you?
490
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,679
Er... Oh, well, erm, actually, I...
491
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,879
I probably, I'd best not get
a slapped wrist and, er...
492
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,359
But, erm, cheers, anyway.
493
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:16,839
No, I was never a socialist.
Come on, admit it.
494
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,559
No, honestly. Honestly.
495
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,799
This is the thing
that people on the left -
496
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,119
well, the further left -
have never understood
497
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:26,039
about actual working people.
We don't want hand-outs.
498
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,799
My dad didn't. We value hard work.
499
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,679
I've always been
more of a meritocrat.
500
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,879
Yes, a meritocracy. Exactly.
501
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,319
And you and I are very
good examples of that.
502
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,679
We got to the very top of
our profession,
503
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,399
against all the odds.
BRIAN CHUCKLES
504
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,599
Look at us.
BRIAN CHUCKLES
505
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:43,720
To us!
506
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,000
SHE CHUCKLES
507
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:53,079
Erm, just to say, er,
if we can keep this between...
508
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,039
Oh, full confidentiality.
509
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,280
Like a doctor, or a priest!
BRIAN CHUCKLES
510
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,359
I remember, er, something
you said in the Commons.
511
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:06,079
Er, of course, I didn't know you
from Adam back then,
512
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,359
but I-I made a mental note of it.
513
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:13,679
Oh, really? What was it that I said?
You were talking about...
514
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,839
You used this phrase -
515
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,519
"The furtherance of
remarkable people" -
516
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,559
and, er, I like that.
The aspiration of it.
517
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,599
Didn't matter where you
were from, man or woman.
518
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:29,079
Yes, exactly. You see,
there are so many, well, men.
519
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,799
Denis and I have to tolerate them,
we have to entertain them here,
520
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,999
and they didn't earn their place,
521
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,879
they just knew someone
who knew someone.
522
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,079
And they bluff and they
blag their way through,
523
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,479
and they have unlimited chances.
524
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:49,799
But me, if I don't spend hours
and hours preparing every detail...
525
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,599
Me too. I'm-I'm exactly the same.
Exactly the same. Yes. You see,
526
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,199
you never do shake it off, do you?
That feeling one has
527
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,880
of being an outsider.
528
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,479
I think that's why I, um,
529
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,639
I've always been nervous,
er, of, I don't know,
530
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,159
the mob. Mm. The unions, even.
531
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,519
My father was a glass-blower
and, er, very hard-working,
532
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,119
frequently out of work
because of the closed shop.
533
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,519
Mm. They wouldn't accept him,
wouldn't let him in.
534
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,200
I never knew why. And your mother?
535
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,799
She passed away when I was, uh, 12.
536
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,399
Oh, I'm sorry.
537
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,559
She was the stronger one.
Er, maybe too strong, some thought.
538
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,439
Er, she was a bookbinder.
539
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,599
My God, the, er, the luck of that.
540
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,599
That's the only reason
there were books in the house.
541
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,319
She never read them, of course,
but, er, for me,
542
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,279
being on my own a lot, er,
543
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,999
never really being into
having friends,
544
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,439
er, I was very happy.
On my own, book in my lap,
545
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,160
entering brave new worlds.
546
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,240
Well, it seems to me you've
made your own luck, Brian.
547
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,399
I'm very aware,
548
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,679
painfully aware, that one mistake
549
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,799
and "they" will have me out.
550
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:13,560
One day, doesn't matter what I do,
someone will come for me.
551
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,560
I reckon there's no-one you won't
be able to see off, Margaret.
552
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:30,879
? My head is in a spin
553
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,319
? My feet don't touch the ground
554
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,919
? Because you're near to me
555
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,759
? My head goes round and round... ?
556
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,319
"This country needs
Margaret Thatcher,
557
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,239
"someone unafraid to offer a vision.
558
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,679
"What can I say? She tickles me,
559
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,559
"and I think I understand her.
560
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,239
"In years to come, great novels
will be written about her."
561
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,799
? Ain't been this way before
562
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,239
? But I know I'm turned on
563
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,039
? It's time for something, baby
564
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,319
? I can't turn off... ?
565
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,479
CROWD CHANTS: We want Tebbit!
566
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,759
We want Tebbit! We want Tebbit!
567
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,319
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to
568
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,679
the Young Conservatives' Conference
Mr Kenny Everett!
569
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,720
Let's bomb Russia!
570
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,280
Let's kick Michael Foot's stick way!
571
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,919
Put your hands together for
572
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,479
Jimmy Tarbuck and Steve Davis!
573
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:24,839
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
574
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,840
CROWD CHANTING
575
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,119
Ronnie, you're here.
576
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,879
All hail the speech writer!
577
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,679
Did you see the rally at Wembley?
578
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,879
I did. Oh, they were going wild.
Almost hysterical, some of them.
579
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,599
Oh, is hysteria a thing to
be courted and celebrated?
580
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,359
All feels a bit American.
Oh, Ronnie, it's only that, uh,
581
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,679
it proves what a draw she is amongst
the young. You wanted me to take
582
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,640
another run at the text
for Wednesday. Yes.
583
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,279
It's the last party broadcast
before the election day
584
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,159
and I think, we think,
585
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,039
following on from what
we've just seen,
586
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,559
right, Ian? Yes, yeah,
capturing, harnessing the mood.
587
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,839
You know, the energy.
It's real, it's there, so...
588
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,999
Well, I-I... I was going for mood,
589
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,719
a sort of thoughtful mood piece.
No. That's what we want changed.
590
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,679
Hammer home our achievements,
591
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,239
bang-bang-bang, and what
we've still got left to do,
592
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,319
boom-boom-boom.
593
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,599
The people, they're ready now
for some confidence, some ambition,
594
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,679
to go further in the fight, to...
That's what the campaign has been,
595
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:39,319
bangs and booms. I thought
now, a little night music.
596
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,879
A little night music?
597
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,199
Ronald, we want them on their feet,
598
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,079
like they were today. "Maggie,
Maggie..." Margaret, must everything
599
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,080
always be a fight? Can't it
sometimes be peace and quiet?
600
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,079
Ron's gone wobbly.
601
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,919
We'll need another writer.
602
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,760
What? Sorry, Ron.
603
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,839
Maybe someone from Saatchi's?
No, not an ad man. We want poetry.
604
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,719
This is about instinct.
605
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,480
Somebody who knows what we are
and what we need to say, in his gut.
606
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,359
What about Brian? Brian?
607
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,239
Is that proper?
608
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,759
And he's not a speech writer,
he's a journalist, and a good one.
609
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,999
Ronnie's a playwright,
and a good one.
610
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,239
Thank you. Goodnight.
611
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,640
Goodnight, Ronnie.
612
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,799
It's just... I don't know
what the protocol...
613
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,520
And it's nearly midnight.
Call him. Call Brian.
614
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,800
PHONE RINGS
615
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,040
Uh...
616
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,719
Hello? Brian, forgive the hour.
It's Ian Gow.
617
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,999
You're not around, are you?
618
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,759
Uh, around? For, er...
619
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,079
For what, and when?
620
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,879
We wondered if...
Well, now, actually.
621
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:14,839
Final party political broadcast
622
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,519
going out the night before
polling day... Uh!
623
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,679
...and Margaret just wondered about
getting your take on it.
624
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,679
She'd just like your brain on it.
625
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,920
Brain of Brian, Brian's brain.
626
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,199
Uh, maybe I should sleep on it,
627
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,239
uh, or check with some of
the... you know, it's OK, to...
628
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:36,799
It's only that we'd need to get
you into a cab sort of now-ish.
629
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,399
And maybe best just kept
between ourselves.
630
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,159
Less complicated.
631
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,640
For you, I mean.
632
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,639
Brian! Ah. Honestly,
I can't thank you enough.
633
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,080
Have some coffee. Thank you, yes.
634
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,439
Well, I-I saw the clips.
635
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,559
Uh, Wembley. Jimmy Tarbuck,
636
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,879
Kenny Everett. Mm-hm.
Even Steve Davis looked excited,
637
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,159
for Steve Davis. He stinks of booze.
He's been drinking...
638
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,639
Oh, for heaven's sake, Ian!
639
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,920
Go and knit a quilt or something.
640
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,560
Here. Coffee.
641
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,280
Black as the night.
642
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,599
Yes, the rally rather
took us by surprise,
643
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,719
hence why we want to cross
the finishing line
644
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:27,760
a bit more triumphantly,
with a bit more punch.
645
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:36,880
Yes, erm, it's-it's
a little, er, tricky, er...
646
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,719
Unwritten rules of journalism,
you know? Church and State...
647
00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:43,319
No, of course.
648
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,759
Oh, completely.
649
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,999
This doesn't have to affect that.
650
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,960
Brian, you're a professional
and I'm a professional. Absolutely.
651
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,799
You know, there's been
some polling done today.
652
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,239
Polling all the time, of course,
but on this policy or that message,
653
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:07,600
but this was specifically on me.
654
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,719
Well, let me guess,
the same lazy stereotypes,
655
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:17,959
battle-axe sort of stuff?
Strong, yes, capable,
656
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,599
just not likeable, apparently.
657
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,919
Well, I mean, that's... that's
your public persona.
658
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,640
Er, in private...
659
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,519
I mean, in private,
er, I-I like you.
660
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,440
Thank you, Brian.
661
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,720
And I wasn't fishing.
662
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,000
No, it's just that I
know one has to be...
663
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,679
You see,
when I first came into this,
664
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,479
everyone before me had been so wet.
665
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,279
Wet! And nothing got done.
666
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,559
And I refuse to be that.
667
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,239
No, the moment you
stop driving hard,
668
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,120
the whole thing comes off the road.
669
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,560
It's just...
670
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,439
Oh, I don't know,
maybe I should have shown some,
671
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,119
I don't know, humility or softness.
672
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,959
No, this country is
so bloody lily-livered.
673
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,279
You mustn't bend, Margaret.
There's too much to do.
674
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,319
I wouldn't give them
an inch, I mean it.
675
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,399
At crucial moments like this,
never compromise, never flinch.
676
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,719
And you can forget your naysayers.
677
00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:27,679
You have plenty of people
who... believe in you.
678
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:32,359
And I do like fun,
you know? I can...
679
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,640
I can tell a joke.
680
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,599
I heard one only the other day.
What was it?
681
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,839
Erm, there's this man
in a hospital, and...
682
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,679
No. No, no, no. No.
...he goes into a bar,
683
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,560
and he's still wearing
his gown, and he...
684
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,320
Oh, no.
Well, I'll... I'll remember it.
685
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,839
But thank you, Brian,
for your faith.
686
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,039
You were one of the first people
to take me seriously,
687
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,480
when everyone else dismissed me
out of hand.
688
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,640
I'll always be grateful for that.
689
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,080
So, shall we get on?
690
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:17,039
BOTH: ..For freedom, freedom is
the birthright of every citizen.
691
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,079
To preserve and defend that freedom,
692
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,159
to defend it from within
and from without.
693
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,439
Amen!
694
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,759
BOTH: In Britain today,
there is no room
695
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:30,239
for outdated distinctions
of class or creed.
696
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:32,519
It doesn't matter who you are,
697
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,280
or who your father is,
or where you came from.
698
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,640
TELEPHONE RINGS
699
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,679
Hello?
700
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,119
MARGARET THATCHER: So, there's
this man who goes into a pub
701
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,279
from the hospital next door
702
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,959
and he's still wearing his gown,
703
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,679
and he's pulling his IV stand
along with him,
704
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,439
you know, all that business,
705
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,999
and the landlord
looks a bit worried.
706
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,719
He says, "Can I help you?"
707
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:10,959
And our chap says, "Yes, please.
I'd like two pints of lager,
708
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,719
"two Guinness,
er, four gin and tonics,
709
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:17,559
"and three shots of tequila."
710
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,199
And it's a free world,
so the landlord,
711
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,159
you know,
he's an entrepreneurial sort,
712
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,479
he gives the man his drinks.
713
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,399
And then the man downs them,
one by one,
714
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,680
ending up with the shots of tequila.
715
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,079
And he turns to the landlord
and he says, "Do you know,
716
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,439
"I really shouldn't have drunk
all that, with what I've got."
717
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,519
And the landlord says,
"Why, what have you got?"
718
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,560
And he says, "About ๏ฟฝ3.50."
719
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,240
SHE HANGS UP
720
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,919
And I will honour that pledge
I made you,
721
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,199
in this unrelenting quest
722
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,759
to break down the old barriers
723
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:07,159
and build a Britain where it
doesn't matter who your father is,
724
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,359
or where you've come from.
725
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,799
The certainty of liberty...
Remember this moment.
726
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,239
...and the chance of property
ownership. The sense of triumph
727
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:17,519
on their faces. Look at it.
People should be able
728
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,399
to own their own homes...
They think they're untouchable now.
729
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,759
A landslide.
730
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:27,839
The Falklands, all of it. Won't need
to be held accountable on camera,
731
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,999
subjected to scrutiny any more.
I passionately believe...
732
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,079
Well, yes, they are strong now,
which means we have to be stronger
733
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,439
and harder and tougher in return,
734
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,320
on behalf of our viewers. OK?
735
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,800
Right? Right.
736
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,360
Mr Lawson? Prime Minister
has asked you to come upstairs.
737
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,639
KNOCK AT DOOR
738
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,360
Yes. Come in.
739
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,320
He's here.
740
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,800
Assuming he accepts, I'll get
it out in the first editions.
741
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:18,039
All hunky-dory?
Still riding high on a wave?
742
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,960
Hunky-dory.
743
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,560
What's worrying you?
744
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,319
Have you ever, in the moment,
just given a piece of yourself
745
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,999
to somebody, perhaps more than
you meant to, and then,
746
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,519
after the fact, you...?
747
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,080
No, I don't know.
748
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,639
Who? No, it doesn't matter.
749
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,360
Doesn't matter. Show him in.
750
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,520
Nigel. Prime Minister.
Come on in and sit down.
751
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:04,599
So, Geoffrey is taking
the Foreign brief.
752
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,319
I was rather hoping you would
take up his mantle as Chancellor.
753
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,959
I would like that very much.
754
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,719
It would be a great honour
to accept.
755
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:13,159
Well, there's no time
like the present.
756
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:17,039
I thought it would be good
to get into a routine of having
757
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,319
little informal chats
a couple of times a week,
758
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,279
because, you know, the relationship
between Prime Minister
759
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,879
and Chancellor needs to be
very, very close, don't you agree?
760
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,639
Without question, Prime Minister.
761
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,679
Margaret. Margaret.
762
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,079
You've proved yourself
to be able to get things done,
763
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,759
and this term, it's time,
it's time to start selling back
764
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:45,399
to the private sector everything
that came under public ownership
765
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,239
after the War. We must let them
get out there and thrive,
766
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:51,359
with confidence. Yes?
767
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,080
Absolutely.
Let's get on with it. Right.
768
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,080
And to that end, Nigel...
769
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,240
...were you thinking
of having a haircut?
770
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,399
Haircut? It's long and unkempt.
771
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,160
That's the other lot, isn't it?
Of course, Margaret.
772
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:11,759
Prime Minister?
773
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,519
Switchboard have Brian Walden
on the phone.
774
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:19,840
Erm yes, would you pass that on
to Bernard, please, instead?
775
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,559
Margaret, how are you?
776
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,000
Well, Brian. Always well.
777
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:03,800
OK. All set?
778
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,559
Four, three, two...
779
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,279
DOOR OPENS
780
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,240
What on earth is going on out there?
781
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:15,880
Betrayal.
782
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:34,800
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