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I was coming home on a flight one night from a business

meeting, and suddenly I hear this voice, and it's like, I am

Tobias. I'm like, looking around like, what? Nobody was sitting

next to me. And suddenly I heard the voice again, and said, I am

Tobias. I'm here to work with you. So for the next year, every

night on my way home from work, he would come in and we would

talk, and basically he took me through what I call my spiritual

boot camp. And you know, one of the factors right now is that

Gaia is leaving, and this pisses a lot of people off, too. Oh no,

no, Gaia. How could Gaia be leaving? Well, because it's it's

our time to take the responsibility for the planet.

All these things are happening right now. The planet is

basically going into its enlightenment. Humanity is and

some will choose not to, some will choose to stay in the old

power games, and we're seeing it acted out on the world stage

right now. But the time is coming for an end to that.

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Jeff Hoppe, a warm welcome to the show.

Thank you so much. It's an honor to be here, and I was reading up

on your show beforehand, looking some of the other interviews.

Very impressive. I mean, I'm really impressed. So you do a

great job, and apparently you've been doing it for a while. So

congratulations. And it's so important for all of us right

now to be sharing that light around the world. I mean,

there's a lot going on. So thank you for having me.

Well, thank you so much. I'm really honored to have you. I've

heard of you for many, many years, especially around in

Norway, because I know you've been several times in Norway

with your wife, doing workshops, and I'm Norwegian, and you're an

author. You're channeling Saint ahmadia, Saint Germain and

Tobias. There's a powerful story about meeting that angel on an

airplane, and you're doing amazing work, especially in this

shift of consciousness that we find ourselves in.

Yeah, we've been around for, gosh, 25 years, so it's been a

long time. And initially, you know, it started out a little

slow, which was fine, because I was still in the corporate

world, and then it just exploded to the point where we dedicated

a lot of our time and effort to it over the years. But I've

loved doing it.

Yes, I've heard many times people, especially in Norway,

referring to you, and I know you're also an author, and you

are channeling Saint Germain and an angel called Tobias. And I

think another one that I cannot pronounce the name of that last

one, kuthumi, laosa.

Oh, yes, yeah, I love channeling him. I don't get to channel him

very often, usually it's Adamus, Saint Germain, and he uses the

name ADAMUS when channeling through me, just to

differentiate from the other Saint Germain channelers from

the past or currently So. And ADAMUS is very, very

provocative, very outspoken, which sometimes is good,

sometimes it's bad,

interesting. I'd love to get into that, but before we do, I

just gotta hear the story of how Tobias came to you, because I

went into your website to read more about your story, and I was

amazed hearing that you were a businessman, even worked for

NASA and were traveling all around the world and on an

airplane, this angel approached you, and for everybody new to

your story and myself, who would love the details, could you

please tell us what happened?

Sure, and I'll try to make it succinct, because I can talk for

hours and hours about it, but so I was in the corporate world. I

had a marketing consulting company in Dallas, Texas. Was

running that with my wife, Linda, and then, in the

meantime, I also had a startup company in the aviation

business. We had developed a technology for air to ground

communications using cellular frequencies. So it was very,

very busy. It was a it was, you know, the what we developed in

that company was now the internet that's on airplanes.

So, you know, if you use the internet or phone or whatever on

an airplane, that's what we developed. So it's very, very

busy. We were trying to raise money for our startup company.

It was hard, hard work. And on top of that, all the major phone

companies in United States teamed up against us and filed

lawsuits with the Federal Trade Commission, or federal FCC,

Federal Communications Commission. So it was, I would

just work. Can my brains out. And I was coming home on a

flight one night from a business meeting, and suddenly I hear

this voice, and it's like, I am Tobias. I'm looking around like,

what? Nobody was sitting next to me. Nobody was standing up in

the aisle. It was just, I am Tobias. And, okay, just, you

know, go back to sleep. I always kind of had my head up against

the bulkhead and go back to sleep, and suddenly I heard the

voice again, and said, I am Tobias. I'm here to work with

you. And for a moment, I thought, you know, I'm just

going nuts, because it was a very clear voice, you know,

sometimes you get voices in your head, but this was a very, very

clear voice outside of me. And then my first reaction, which

was kind of funny, was, I don't need any more work. I'm so busy

right now. What do you mean? You're here to work with me. And

anyway, so the bottom line is, I thought, okay, whatever. And I

just stopped and took a couple deep breaths and listened, and

we had this amazing conversation for the next hour until the

plane landed. And I don't recall the conversation other than it

was, it was beautiful. I mean, he must have taken me into some

other realms, or whatever. And we landed, and I thought that

was the most incredible experience I've ever had in my

life. I mean, I'm talking to this I didn't even know who he

was. I had no idea who he was, but I'm talking to this voice,

and he takes me on this journey. And then the funny thing was,

the next day, I woke up and remembered the conversation, I

remembered the flight, and I got really depressed, and I got

angry, actually, and I thought, you know, I am working too hard.

I just have to get focused back on work. I have to stop this

nonsense that's going on, you know, I'm just distracting

myself. And I was really kind of upset with myself for, you know,

for not staying focused on my work. About a week later, I was

driving home one night from work. I had a long drive. And he

came back in and said, Okay, we're going to get started. And

I was, I was like, What the hell is going on with this? So for

the next year, every night on my way home from work, he would

come in and we would talk. It was, it was about a 45 minute

drive, so it was perfect time. And basically he took me through

what I call my spiritual basic training, my spiritual boot

camp. And what he really did was taught me how to feel, to sense

things. He didn't talk a lot about metaphysical philosophy,

or anything like that, or spirituality. He taught me how

to feel. And it was it was amazing. I loved it. I looked

forward most of the time just to the ride home, but sometimes he

absolutely pissed me off. He'd say things that just went

against everything I knew or believed in. But we worked

through it. And then, after a year, my wife Linda knew

something was kind of askew with me something kind of strange. So

after a year, I thought I need to tell her, because she knows

that something's odd here, and I'd also become kind of distant,

I guess you would call it, because it was so into this

amazing venture with Tobias, I wasn't talking as much as I used

to, and I was just kind of into myself. And so I finally said, I

gotta tell her so she knows what's going on. And sat her

down one night and said, Linda, I need need to talk to you about

something. And I was nervous, because how do you tell your

wife about all this crazy stuff, you know? And I said, I need to

tell you about something. And she sat down, and she had that

kind of worried look on her face. And I said, well, I need

to tell you about a friend of mine. Well, of course, I had

thought from a woman's standpoint, and suddenly she was

like, what, what? And no, no, no, no, that's not like that,

Linda, I said he's an old dead Jew. And Linda, then was kind of

relieved, I guess. And then I explained it altar, and she was

fine with it. I guess that setup of her thinking it was another

person, you know, made her relieved that it was just an old

dead Jew, Tobias. So that's kind of how I got started. And, you

know, after that, we we had some friends that were kind of into

New Age stuff, and we talked to them about it, and pretty soon

we were doing, like, every month or so, we'd do a little

gathering at our house, like, with a dozen people, and you'd

have dinner, and then I'd do a channel, and then it just

exploded in about, I think, about 2001 it just, it just

exploded. And we finally started a website just for so the local

people could have access to the to the transcripts that we did

and but then it went viral and started going around. The world.

At that point in my startup company was starting to do good.

We were raising money. We got Goldman Sachs to invest a lot, a

lot a lot of money, and it was doing good. And then I got fired

from my own company, yeah, but it was the best thing that ever

happened to me, because it was, it was wearing me out. It was,

had been fun up for up to a while, but then it was just it

wasn't fun anymore. And and I got a nice severance package, of

course, and so I didn't have to do anything. I thought, Okay,

I'm just going to semi retire here. And the next thing, the

phone started ringing. I swear, within two weeks, the phone

started ringing. The first call was from England, and somebody

said, Oh, we we found out about your materials. Would you come

over and do a workshop? That's like, well, we've never done a

workshop before, but sure, we'll give it a try. And that started

the big adventure, traveling in almost 175,000 kilometers a

year, and we went to 38 different countries along the

way, did workshops and seminars, and it's been amazing. It's just

grown and grown over the years. And we don't do any marketing.

We don't do any, you know, kind of outreach, or that people find

their way to the Crimson Circle.

That is amazing. There's so many things here. I loved that you

shared so many details about your experience, and you

answered a lot of my questions, because it seems like the

universe has a hand in this, like you get fired, and then the

this phone call comes, and often we can think, oh, no, I got

fired. You know? Why is the universe against me? But then we

see, you know, when we practice more surrender that, oh my

goodness. I mean, it is for me like you could have never have

done this working in the business world, it would have

been too much, you know. And it's interesting, because I've

heard of you for years, and now a lot of people are channeling

like something is going on, so many people are opening up to

their gifts. And then I get curious, since you have been

channeling for so long, being in contact with these higher

beings, what have they said about these times, like, like,

2420 25 did they predict it? Like, have you guys been

prepared for this in a way?

Yeah, in a way. So when I first started publicly channeling was

with Tobias, and I didn't know anything about Tobias. And oddly

enough, I never even asked right away, you know, who the hell are

you? But along the way, somewhere, I was like, Wow, I

wonder who this Tobias character is. And he said, I'm your

father. And I really upset me, because my my father had just

passed away not too long before that, and there wasn't any

relationship between Tobias and my father and but, but they got

me upset. And then I started doing research, and I started

asking around and looking around, and I finally found

Tobias in the it was in the apocryphal books of the Bible, a

book called The Book of Tobit, or Tobias. And I think in Norway

you, you have a Tobias there too, like, like a saint or

something a different one. But, and I read the story of the Book

of Tobit, a beautiful, beautiful story of how Tobias was. He was

Jewish, enslaved by some other country at the time, but he was,

he worked as a buyer for the king, so he was responsible for

buying even though he was a slave. You know, wasn't like

slavery as we know it now. And but one day, he was blinded when

a bird pooped in his eye. And and, yeah, and then he had to

send his young son, Tobias Junior, out on a journey to

recover money for him that somebody was holding they didn't

have banks back then. And there, the story picks up with young

Tobias, accompanied by Archangel Raphael, going on this long,

beautiful, beautiful journey to recover the father's money and

comes back, has now found a potion to heal his father's

eyes, and they live happily ever after. So I discovered Tobias,

and then, all sudden, it made sense, Father, he was my father

in that lifetime, and it's so beautiful. It's one of one of my

favorite stories, obviously. So I channeled Tobias for 10 years,

and his job was to gather everybody together. He kind of

put out a clarion call, you know, like, like arcane Joe

Gabrielle would do, but he put out this call, and people just

started flooding into Crimson Circle. And the weird thing we

noticed right away was like, even though it was from all over

the world, it was like people knew each other. I mean, there

was a bond right away. So it wasn't just like a like a group

of DeSoto. Appreciated people, and there are people that have

been with us ever since as part of this work. And his job was to

gather us together, but also to basically say you're not crazy.

You know, you think you're crazy, you got all this stuff

going on in your head, but you're not crazy. So he really

helped us heal a lot of wounds, to realize that we're here for a

very, very important time on the planet, which is right now. And

then he left after 10 years, which was kind of weird, you

know, suddenly, okay, bye, bye. I'm leaving now. And, you know,

at that point I thought, okay, my channeling career is done and

it's over with and but it was fine. It was fun. I had a great

time. But then Saint Germain came in under the name of

Adamus, Saint Germain, and he wanted to use the ADAMUS to

specifically differentiate himself from the other Saint

Germain materials that are out there. So he came in and his job

was now, okay, we're going to go into realization. You know,

we're going to go from your awakening into your realization,

and then staying on the planet as embodied Masters. Because

this right now is the time that you just mentioned. This is the

time frame, and I'm telling answering a long answer to your

question, but right now, is it? I mean, so we spent the last 25

years preparing for it, getting over our wounds, getting over

karma and everything like that, coming into mastery or

realization, and now ultimately staying on the planet for the

sole purpose, not to sober The main purpose of allowing our

light to illuminate without any agenda, without saying, you

know, I want this politician or that politician without not even

world peace or anything like that, absolute pure light

without agenda. And what light does is it illuminates

potentials. You know, it's like lighting a candle in a dark

room. Suddenly you can see and with that light that all of us

are bringing in, and the work you're doing in your show is

opening potentials for humanity that they might not have

otherwise seen and potentials for for things like peace and

equality, financial equality and racial equality, and everything

else but the shining the light is without that agenda. It's up

to the people what they want to choose. So right now is the

absolute pinnacle time. And probably I would say it really

stuck. I mean, it's we've been leading up to it for a while,

but we It started about two years ago, and in this epic time

is going to go for another couple years, because we have

this convergence of things on the planet right now. We've got,

we've got technology, which is artificial intelligence is

changing the world. And a lot of people, they say, I'm not

technical. I really don't like the AI. It has nothing to do

with technology. It is absolutely about the speed of

change, or the speed of light, and that's essentially what AI

is doing. It's dramatically increasing what I would call the

speed, not not literally speed, but the infusion of light under

the planet. And this is going to create major, major changes in

over the next, you know, couple of decades, but particularly

right in front of us in the about the next 10 years, there's

nothing ever been done like it. ADAMUS talks about the fact

that, you know, the changes occurred very, very slowly for a

long time. Geez. You know what? In the early 1700s there was

invention of the sewing machine, and then the steam engine, and

then not a lot. But now, you know, we can't even keep up with

the changes. They're they're happening so quickly, and it's

going to ultimately have a huge impact on the planet. And I'm

going to jump into something that would maybe take hours to

explain, but at a certain point here, let's say, within the next

10 years, there's going to be kind of a, what you call light

split of the planet, in other words, part of the consciousness

of the planet is going to go one direction, partly the other. So

it's actually kind of creating almost different dimensions. And

those who are really ready to go forward with things like with

things like love, uh, will go in one direction. People who want

to continue to play games of power and abuse and

manipulation, they'll go in another direction, and it'll

happen without any chaos or without, you know, war or

anything like that, but suddenly it'll just happen a true

shifting on the planet.

Wow. Okay, I have to jump in.

Thomas is kind of hanging out right here with me, and he's

saying, God, You talk too much. He said, let her ask some

questions. And I know I'm trying to answer it.

Yeah. I'm so used to that my guests are beautiful

communicators, so I just, I always invite them back if I

have more questions. So that's, well, I get curious about AI.

And the thought dropped into my mind, because I'm I'm following

what's happening in the US now with with the drones and the

UAPs that are spotted all over the place. And I was thinking,

are ET's here? And are they giving us that inspiration and

that technology through telepathy? Is that where the a

the AI technology is coming from?

You know, I should we should have talked beforehand about

this. I should have forewarned you. Don't ask about aliens with

Adamus, because he will, but you open the can, I think he's

sitting on your shoulder. Now, ask about aliens. Okay, I'm

gonna make a statement here, and some people won't like it, but

if you don't like it, I hope you please consider it anyway.

ADAMUS is very, very clear that in all of creation. I mean our

our dimension, all the other dimensions, there are no greater

beings than the human being. He says there are. There might be

some intelligent beings out there, but they are not greater

than the human beings. Because we're the ones who went into the

toughest, toughest, of all realms. We're the ones who went

into deep compression here on this planet. We're the ones who

forgot who we were, intentionally lost our way. We

have gone through the hardest thing that an angelic being will

ever go through, and it's the it's the gravitational

compression. It's also an energetic compression. And then

we show up here on the planet, forgetting who we are, but

trying to come to the net of resolution. But an answer to a

very big question that has been around forever. So he says,

You're the greatest of beings. And of course, my response is,

well, you know, but we do things, we war, we steal, we do

hideous things, insidious things. And he said, Yes, you do

as humans, but that time is coming to an end now. But he

said, Look what you've done, that no other no other

civilizations, no ETS or anything else I've ever done,

you actually experienced love on the planet where it never

existed before. Love did not exist before the planet Earth

and before humans. And on top of that, love is only about 5000

years old. And he said that really the not an invention, but

it was the first experience of love was right here on this

planet. And he said to humans, unlike any other civilizations,

any other ETS have developed, families, friendship, music,

poetry, in spite of all the hardships you've risen out of

that and and if nothing else, just just love. And my reaction

at first, when he said that was, you mean? What do you mean? No,

God is love. And he said, No, God never knew a thing about

love until humans actually experienced it. And I said,

Well, way of what about aliens, though they love? And he said,

you know, not until humans did. And now they come here. They

come here to try to find out about this thing called love.

They come here and probe humans to where is love? Is it in your

heart? Is it in your you know? Is it in your head? Because they

want to bring it back to their culture somewhere else. And so

Adama says there are no greater beings, and until we understand

that and honor ourselves, we'll we'll never turn the corner. So

he's pushing us right now to say, you need to understand

humans are the greatest of all beings. And some people really

take offense with that, because they want to believe in

something outside, in themselves. They want to believe

that these Jesus is going to come and save him. That's not

Jesus. I mean, the Christ consciousness is right here.

They want to believe that these grand alien beings are going to

descend on the planet and take us out of our misery. And

they're not. And Adama says, Yes, aliens are real, but they

don't have what we have, which is our goodness, our love, our

compassion, our depth of experience that we've had on the

planet, and ultimately all about finding the answer to what is

the. Relationship between consciousness and energy. But in

the meantime, we're learning all these other things along the

way. We're the ones that are are currently and going to be

sharing this with other dimensional beings. It's not the

other way around. And to kind of expand on that, a lot of the

beings that we are going to encounter over these next 10

years that we're going to call ETS or aliens. We're going to

think they're flying in and little metal chips and that are

only ourselves from the future. And they're, they're not,

they're they are advanced beings because they are us. But we're

learning to break through the barriers of time and space, and

suddenly we become started to become aware of not only our

past lives, which are being lived right now, but also our

future self. You can even say our send itself, those are the

ones that are coming from the future. Saying, hey, you know

what? It works you. Did it. It worked out. And he said, Those

are, those are the ETS we need to understand. They don't come

in little metal ships. They come as light beings, but our mind

sometimes perceives them that way because the mind doesn't

really understand how to perceive lot of things outside

of its domain. So the mind pieces things together, like in

a dream state. You know, what you dream about, the visuals you

see are not really what's happening. That's a mind's

interpretation. So basically, Adamus is very, very big on

saying, you know, humans are the greatest beings of all. And a

lot of people don't like that. I was surprised. I got a lot of

negative reaction, and doing a couple interviews recently, and

people are just, I mean, they're scandalous, you know, how could

you possibly say that? But I'm just very, very clear and even

even about Jesus and saying, you know, that there's no greater

being than us, and Jesus was a collective anyway, Jesus was us

and not a soul being. And he keeps pushing us right now to

say, acknowledge your goodness, acknowledge what you are. And

yes, we do terrible things as humans or some, some do, but

we're, we're overcoming that now, and this is the original

planet of love right here.

Wow, that was a totally new perspective, and I've never come

across it before through my 12 years of interviewing. Yes,

fascinating. What about people who've had, you know, so many

people that have interviewed, who have had near death

experiences, and they meet God, and they meet this unconditional

love, and they say, I've never, ever experienced this amount of

love. And then it seems like it is there and lesser here.

Yes, what they're experiencing when they cross over, first of

all, when you when you cross over, you bring your beliefs

with you for the most part. So if you're Jewish, you bring your

Jewish beliefs. If you're, you know, Catholic or if you're

agnostic or atheist, you bring that. Adam was always jokes

around. He said, I love when the atheist crossover, because first

of all, they're they're pretty clear. They don't have a lot of

preconceived notions. They don't believe in God or anything.

After death, and he said, then they show up and they're like,

oh geez, there really is something so during the

experience of near death, experience which are very real

but sometimes misunderstood, that the feeling of that

overwhelming sense of love is from The I Am your your I Am,

your soul. You're finally encountering yourself and

meeting that. And sometimes the being will interpret that as

being Jesus or God or whatever, but Adama says, Be very clear

when you cross over and you have that experience, you are

encountering yourself, your your beingness. And now it feels like

love, because you know what love is from having been on the

planet, but it is really yourself, your true self.

Well, that makes sense. You know, one of the universal laws

is we're all one. So in a way, I interpret this as, okay, I'm

meeting myself and but we're split into different parts. And

from what you're saying, maybe these ETs are different parts

that haven't activated that yet, but it's still part of them,

because we're all one, and that means that we are love. So to

me, we are love. We just have sort of activated that as

humans, I don't know.

So speaking of that, you say we're all one. We were invited

to years ago to speak at a conference in in Switzerland,

and it was we were guests, and I was going to be channeling

Tobias, which Tobias is just so loving. He's like he's. Like a

warm, kind grandfather. And the day that we were starting, the

host of the event came up to me and said, Oh, I'd really like

you to channel ADAMUS Saint Germain. I'm like, I don't know

about that. And she said, No, no, really, I'd like you to talk

like Adam was to talk about oneness, was kind of the theme

of the conference, talk about oneness. And I said, you really

don't want them to talk about oneness. No, no, I really do. I

really do. And said, okay, so ADAMUS got up there and

basically said, You are your own oneness. There's no grand,

universal oneness. There's no Borg. There's no homogenous

thing that you return back to. He said, that would be a bad

joke on behalf of God, that you know, you go and develop your

your identities on this planet, and then you go back into what

oneness? And he said, No way. He said, Every being becomes a

sovereign being. You are your own one. Well, it's funny,

because during the conference, right in the middle of the

channel the sponsor, there was like two or 300 people, the

sponsor went and cut the mic. Couldn't talk anymore, and then,

then at that point, the audience started booing at her, and

somebody went over to the sound booth and got a microphone, and

they were arguing back and forth in German. I didn't understand

most of it, but she we basically got thrown out of the

conference. But Adams makes a very strong point, and I really

like everybody to think about it. You know, we we defer to

things like ETs and in Jesus and religions and gurus and crystals

and all the rest of that, then we have this thing about we are

all one. And he said, No, you're not. You are a sovereign being

to the point where your I Am Ness, uh, doesn't even know that

there's any other I ams out there. It has no awareness of

any other I am. It is all unto itself. All the energy that you

have in your life is all yours. It's not we don't go to some

unified energy field and all, you know, suck from the same,

you know, bag of energy. All the energy is yours. Everything you

perceive is your energy, even if it's other people. And he's

very, very clear about this and that you you are a sovereign

being, and you don't go back to oneness, other than your own,

other than your own. But it's not like suddenly we're all back

together, singing Kumbaya, and we're just all one. So he's,

he's, he's stirred up a lot of ruffled a lot of feathers in the

new age, you know, we, we don't really get much grief from,

like, Christians, or, you know, religions. Once in a while

somebody tells us that, you know, Jesus is pissed. But the

problem we get is with the new age, actually, because we're

breaking through some of the their their dogma, and saying

it's time we perceive things a little different. It's time to

understand humans are grant. I mean, we came from angelic

backgrounds, of course, but then we, we came here to Earth, and

we have, we have an amazing grandness. There is so much

honor for us in the other realms that we're not even aware of, at

the Ascended Masters Club, which anonymous says he's president

of, jokingly, but they, they have so much compassion for us,

because of what we're doing, we've taken on the hardest of

the most difficult, and yet we're emerging through that.

We're discovering things like love and so many other things on

this planet, music, they and I'm like, no damage. They've got to

have music like on other planets or other realms, aliens. And

he's a no, he said, humans, really? I mean, there are sounds

in the other realms, beautiful sounds, but we put it together

as music, you know, with, with song, with, with heart, with,

with a melody and everything. He said, they don't have that in

other places, and it's hard for us to fathom, because we've been

indoctrinated by by a lot of things, including churches, into

believing that we're sinners, we're fallen angels, we're bad

people. And he says, Not at all. And when you realize your

personal, individual grandness, the what you've done, not just

on Earth, but for all of creation. Said, that's when the

planet starts turning the corner. You can pray all you

want. You can you can, you know, listen to Palladian channels. He

doesn't like palladians. One pit he, and he explains why, and so,

but he, but he's. When you understand, bring it back. It's

already within you. Stop looking out there, because it's all

right here.

But I do resonate, if I may jump in. I do resonate with that. It

feels very empowering and the way I see it, and I cannot

explain it, but in my mind, several truths can be true at

the same time. So I don't want to jump into Oh, that country

contradicts everything I thought I knew, even though it was new,

because under the umbrella, I can sort of make sense to me in

my mind that there are several truths, and it's truth from a

perspective. And I think several truths can be true at the same

time. I don't think we have the mind right now to understand, to

grasp it, or not even the words. But what I'm curious about is,

like the Law of One, for instance, is a very well known

material. They say that we're one, and tons of other

channelers are saying something. And then you Jeff, you know, you

have your own sovereignty. And then Adamus, Adamus, he has his

own perspective. So what do you think about when others are

saying something that sort of contradicts and do you agree

with Saint Germain, or are you like? I don't know if I agree

Well, a lot of times it comes as a shock, the words that come out

with you.

of my mouth and, you know, but I'm I've been trained as a

channeler for lifetime, so I've learned my job is to convey the

information and not to judge it or what. But later on,

afterwards, I'm like, What the hell just came out of my mouth

and but I found out with ADAMUS And with Tobias, that even

though it shocks me at times, that when I really feel into it

and let myself experience it, I understand the truth. One of the

early things with Tobias. We were chatting back in the early

days, I think before I was channeling, and I said something

about, you know, our My desire is to come back home, to be home

and like to return back to God. And I was very, very naive back

then, and but to return back to God, and he goes, No, you know,

you never go home? I was so pissed off, I didn't talk to him

for a week, and then he came back in after he let me, you

know, feel into and he said, the fact is that Home comes to you.

That's what you're doing here on this planet. You're allowing

your divinity, you're allowing your godness to come to you. You

You don't go back to it like you don't like come down here on

Earth and have a bunch of lifetimes and then go back home.

The whole purpose of being here is to bring home right here, to

open yourself to being a human and a divine being all at the

same time. So in answer to your question, they pissed me off a

lot. And then I have to feel into it when Adama said, No

humans, humans really experienced love for the first

time. It it was a shocker. It was a little overwhelming.

So what is your perspective on that Channeler so saying so many

different things, and I have a longer thought about this,

because, you know, I'm interviewing, and I find myself

pretty open minded, and I invite guests that I feel I resonate

with, and of course, that is a bit biased, and stuff like that.

But sometimes I also find myself disagreeing a bit, or feeling

I'm not sure about this, or actually after listening to a

channel, sometimes I feel very elevated. Other times I don't.

Yeah, I'm wondering, what is this about that sometimes there

are so many contradicting sayings teachings on this

planet.

Yeah, and I wondered about that. Also, when I first got into

this, I didn't come from a spiritual background. I was born

and raised Catholic, and as soon as I could stop going to church,

I stopped. Never really bought into the whole thing. So I

really didn't have any kind of metaphysical or spiritual

background. So all this is new to me, in a way, which is good,

because I don't have too many overlays. But what I realized

once I got into this and started channeling and started working

with other channelers early on, Lee Carol and I were, were very,

very close friends. Worked a lot with Steve Rother and Jim self,

a lot of the others. And, you know, we always asked ourselves,

you know, we'd sit down and talk over a glass of wine or

whatever, after the day was done, and it's like, well,

there's different takes on different things. Crying says

one thing, Adama says it a little bit different. But what

we all realize is that message and the way it's spoken and

tailored is to that specific group. So. For instance, Lee

Carroll's group. And Lee is amazing. He's done amazing work

on this planet, but he's, he's dealing with a much broader, a

bigger group than like with Adamus. ADAMUS is very, very

focused, and he he only will work with people who are ready

for their enlightenment or their realization. He kicks people out

all the time. I mean, you know he, he says things I don't want

you in here. Your energy feeders get out of here. Go someplace

else, but his. So we work with different groups, and Jim south,

which you have a lot of respect for, works with a specific

group. And so that message is tailored to them the way it's

said most of the time. If you really whittle it all down, you

realize, ultimately, it's, it is the same message, it just said

in different ways. And then ADAMUS comes along and makes

some very bold, brash statements, which a lot of the

New Age community doesn't like. But you know, he talks about

crystals and healing and things like that, and says, you know,

it's a distraction. He calls it makio, M, a, k, y, O, and makio

is a spiritual distraction. And we all get distracted by things

like alchemy or crystals or aliens or Jesus or Bucha or any

of the rest of that. And it's all makyo be it's all a

distraction along the path to your Realization. And I asked

him one time, well, why do we do that? I'm guilty of it. Why do

we do that? And he said, because it is so damn hard to ultimately

love yourself. You learn to love others. You've learned now on

the planet how to love others, but ultimately, the hardest

thing will be to love yourself, because you're so filled with

guilt and shame and memories and everything else, and so it's

easy to get distracted with crystals, or whatever the

technique du jour happens to be but eventually you have to come

back to yourself and face yourself. You eventually will

face your dragon, and the dragon is standing at the door to

realization and enlightenment, not to tear you apart or burn

you. You know through and through, but the dragon is

standing there saying, you cannot bring junk wounds, makio

imbalances into realization. It will that would be really bad.

So dragons there to make sure that you're fully cleansed,

fully released. You're without your makio, you're without your

human imbalances, and it will send you away until you're

actually clean and clear. It'll send you back down the path to

work through your issues. And if you try to bring your imbalances

into your enlightenment, it will it will be really ugly. It sends

you into a very, very, very bad place. It's like the, it's like

the the Sorcerer's Apprentice, you know, drinking the the

potion, but not knowing and not having the wisdom to handle it.

And then very bad things happen. So, so ADAMUS message, you know,

Thomas's desire is to work with those who are absolutely ready

for their realization, their enlightenment. And he'll work

with them in not only in the work that we do in the

channelings, but he'll work with them individually. But it's

tough. I mean, it's it's not for the faint of heart.

You mentioned that the next few years. I don't remember what you

said, but it would you may be at the peak, in a way of like, this

is really the time. And then I'm curious, so do we get help to

have this realization from, you know, masters and angels, or our

soul within, or is it through even more contrast, because we

hear that there might be storms, earthquakes, oh, big storm is

coming. Is that happening? Is that happening because we're

going to have this realization, or can we have this realization

and wake up without all these storms, because more energy is

coming to the planet, and we're receiving this help on a

personal basis

you will go through your storms, you know, because it's clearing

a lot of the past lives. And then, to make it even more

interesting. While a person might be going from their

awakening into their we call it mastery, or their realization at

the same time, simultaneous your past lives are also going

through theirs, but they have no clue. They don't have guidance

from shows like yours. They don't have the benefit of being

able to go on the internet and. And read about it. So they're

going through it in the dark, literally, and that's one of the

reasons why so many people are feeling what they're feeling

like it's almost overwhelming. Well, it's your past lives.

Also, you're kind of like the designated ascendy of all your

past lives. And there's a tremendous amount going on

within, just within yourself right now. Then, with the

planet, we have a combination of forces happening. We have the

convergence. Is what I call it. Gaia.

What is that? I'm Norwegian, so I don't

convergence is when things come from different directions,

coming together at the center. So, you know, everything is

converging, coming together. And, you know, one of the

factors right now is that Gaia is leaving. And this was

something Thomas talked about maybe 10 years ago. I think

actually, Tobias probably talked about it longer growth than

that. And this pisses a lot of people off, too. Oh no, no,

Gaia. How could Gaia be leaving well, because it's it's our time

to take the responsibility for the planet Gaia was here, to

infuse it with life force energies, and then to maintain

the balance with the the different kingdoms, the animal

kingdom, the plant the sky, all the different kingdoms. And

she's a sole being, just like us, and she's tired, you know,

she's been here a long time, and she's now leaving and turning

over the responsibility of the planet to us, where we don't

need that, that mother figure, that, that babysitter. And so

we're having to become much more environmentally aware, and we're

having to learn that, you know, we need to take take care of

this planet. We don't have mom doing it for us anymore. So yes,

there are going to be a lot of changes and upheavals, but not

not in a bad way, necessarily, just a lot of shifts. So

everything right now is changing at a speed that no other beings

have ever lived through before. You know, even Adam says, you

know, in my days, you know, nothing much happened. There

weren't a lot of inventions or anything else. Again, there was

a long period of time between the sewing machine and the the

steam train, and that was a big deal. But it's happening now.

Every day. Things are changing and going new, and essentially,

what's happening is there is so much more light coming into the

planet right now, actually our divinity, we're letting it in

that is causing things to move faster. That's causing the need

for things like AI to accommodate the the light and

the speed. We had to develop AI. We had to develop something that

could keep pace with all the changes that AI that's changing

us. We brought AI in to facilitate that infusion of

light that's coming in. And all these things are happening right

now, the planet is basically going into its enlightenment.

Humanity is and some will choose not to. Some will choose to stay

in the old power games, and we're seeing it acted out on the

world stage right now, but the time is coming for an end to

that.

But what does it mean that Gaia is leaving, like her

consciousness, her spirit? Will there still be a physical planet

there?

Yeah, there'll be a physical planet, but her as a soul being,

her job was to come here and infuse it with life force

energies, and it was done way, way, way back when, with

crystalline energies. That's why I think we're all so attracted

to crystals, because they they were the original things they

were what was used in Atlantis for everything from light to the

ability to move objects and things. But then, then they lost

their power after a certain point. And so Gaia has done her

job. She kind of like, set the place up for us, organized our

Earth house, so to speak. And she's going to be on her way.

She's, she's a soul being. She wants to go into her next levels

as well. And it's not a sad thing at all. I mean, it's, it's

actually an honoring that we're actually ready for that, and we

can care for the planet, and we can, we can care for for the

animal kingdom, and there's so much more consciousness right

now about about about consciousness and what it is,

and that's paving the way to what's ahead of us. Because, you

know, the whole subject of AI, for instance, is bringing up the

question of, What is consciousness? And there's a lot

of lot of thought and debate about it, and some say that

consciousness arises from matter. In other words, you

know, we've got this material planet, and from that

consciousness rises up. Others say no consciousness has to be

present first, before matter or anything, which is what the.

Thomas also tells us is, there wouldn't be anything if there

wasn't consciousness. In other words, if we withdrew our

consciousness from the universe, there would be no universe.

Consciousness is what then creates reality. Consciousness

uses a combination of energy and light to create reality, and

that's that's what we're immersed into, that's what we

infused into. So that it's really ultimately a big, big

discovery of consciousness, what it truly is, and ultimately

bringing consciousness and energy together.

So it is human consciousness that will then be Mother Earth.

No, not Mother Earth, but Earth. Instead of Gaia,

you will be our individual consciousness. We don't have to,

like, bring it together, like, as in a New Earth Mother we

just, you know, when we take responsibility individually, for

the planet, for, for, for the air we breathe and the waters we

drink. Then that becomes a collective energy, then of our

own environmental consciousness. But it doesn't become an entity

necessarily like Gaia. Now we have that infused within our

consciousness, the the the the responsibility of the planet,

and by the way, speaking of nature, and Gaia ADAMUS also

says that there's no other place in creation that has nature like

what we have. So you know, if you imagine, you think about

some aliens off somewhere else, and they have the beautiful

nature, he goes, No, they don't, not at all Earth is unique in

the fact that it has nature. So he really, he shakes up a lot, a

lot of things. And, you know, some people, some people get

very upset. We get some rather nasty emails from time to time.

But he also inspires and provokes people to stop for a

moment and think about, hang on a second. You know, we, we are

the beings we've been waiting for. We carry the consciousness

and the divinity within us. We're not waiting for alien

spaceships or second coming of Jesus. We are it. And when we

take that on, when we realize that everything changes, I mean,

you also start to realize in that if you're beholden to any

other being, in other words, you think that aliens are going to

save or Jesus or whatever, you'll never discover your own

energy. And Thomas defines energy as being nothing more

than communication. It's not a force. It's not it's not like

electricity or anything. It's simply a communication. When you

start realizing that we are the beings here, we're the ones

doing this, you start taking ownership for your own energy.

When you take ownership for your energy, then you realize, hey,

I'm the master my energy, and it's all mine. Is there to serve

me. It's not there to work against me. It's not there to

set up challenges and tests and everything else. Nobody can ever

steal it from me, and I can ever give it to anybody else.

Suddenly, all sudden you're letting energy serve you. Life

gets easier. I mean, issues of things like abundance go away.

Health problems go away. The being trapped in the brain goes

away, because now you've got this dynamic of your own energy

serving you and manifesting what you're choosing. And instead of

having to steal energy from other people, or think that God

doles it out, or that there's a big unified energy field, you

realize, oh my gosh, this is my energy. Now, what do I want to

do with it?

Thank you so much, Jeff, I have a few questions that I ask on my

guest then the first one you mentioned it a bit, but I'll ask

you again, what is self love to you?

Total acceptance of yourself. Total acceptance. No, if hands

or buts No. Well, I'm a you know, I could I love myself

accept or I have to work on doing this and that I have to be

a better person, absolute. Take a deep breath. I am that I am a

total acceptance. And it sounds very simple. It's easy to say,

but it's very difficult to do, very difficult to get through

all those old wounds, all the old feelings of guilt and shame,

but, but you eventually, do? You eventually learn, hey, these

aren't serving me anymore. Why? Why am I still hanging on to

them? I'm going to let them go. But self love, total acceptance

and when you when you accept yourself, then you can accept

others and stop trying to change them. And stop trying to change

the planet.

That makes sense. Yeah. And what is the deeper meaning of life?

From your perspective, did you life or light? The deeper

meaning of life?

Life? Okay, deeper meaning of life is a I could take hours I'm

just going to try to distill is the I'm trying to without going

off in some long rambling thing, the essential experience of the

I am of your soul as an embodied human. It's to experience what

cannot be experienced in the other realms, the non physical

realms, to experience it here in this realm. And that's the

ultimate, ultimate love. So, you know, it's one thing to say,

it's easy to go off into the other realms, you know, when you

die or whatever, and have all these great experiences, to be

able to do it here, in this very visceral, very sensual reality

that we exist in to experience that is kind of the meaning of

life,

beautiful. This has been highly interesting, so fascinating. And

I just love your energy. And at some point there, I got really

touched. So something is like ringing, and I'll have to see it

again. I I, I'm going to stretch my mind. But like I said, I find

that several truths can be truth at the same time, so I'll just

leave it at that. And I thank you for doing your work, and

it's really empowering. I mean, it's, it's sharing light around

the world, and it's empowering us to feel that, you know, I

have the answers inside, and I think that is the most important

thing. Like you're saying, not giving our power away, like I'm

waiting for that, that thing, to fix me or save me. But we are

our own heroes.

Yeah, exactly No. I like the way you said that we are our own

heroes and and, you know, it's not even like ourself, as a

golden angel is going to descend again. You know, we're putting

it outside of us. It's us right here, and it's allowing that to

come out now. And it's tough, because it's easier to think

that there's a greater power out there. It's easier to think

there's greater beings that are going to save us. It's a nice

distraction. But ultimately, it comes back to the very simple

premise, I am, that I am, it's all right here,

yeah, I love that. Where can people connect with you if they

want to learn more and follow your work?

Uh, very simple, Crimson Circle. Crimson like the color

Crimsoncircle.com so just do a search on it, or just type in

Crimsoncircle.com we have a very extensive website, a lot a lot

of we do a monthly Webcast Channel, and free of charge, it

always has been. So it's 25 years worth of monthly messages

and a lot of other things. We do some workshops and seminars out

of our retreat center in Kona, Hawaii, and we, we've got a

studio here in Colorado where we do a lot of work. So yeah, just

check the website out. There's if you, if you really want to,

if your viewers really want to find kind of the summary of what

we do. There is a little downloadable booklet called 21

Shaumbra realizations. These are 21 very short short points. One

of them that always amuses me is, and I can't remember what it

is now, but it's very short points and and easy to easy to

read. There's not much text at all. But if you want to have

summary of our where the direction of Crimson Circle,

that's it. 21 Shaumbra realizations. It's free of

charge.

Nice. Thank you so much, Jeff. And have a beautiful holiday.

And I was so honored to have you on the

Thank you. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on. Great.

Thank you. And thanks to all the viewers.

Of course, yeah, to you guys.

Thanks.