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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,713 --> 00:00:08,007 We have no intention of dismantling the regulatory agencies. 2 00:00:08,550 --> 00:00:12,929 However, we must come to grips with inefficient and burdensome regulations. 3 00:00:13,430 --> 00:00:16,724 We will eliminate those that are unproductive and unnecessary. 4 00:00:16,809 --> 00:00:21,020 Tearing down these antiquated walls and granting banks significant new authority. 5 00:00:21,730 --> 00:00:23,648 In a victory for the banking industry, 6 00:00:23,732 --> 00:00:25,608 Congress has approved legislation 7 00:00:25,693 --> 00:00:27,902 which will allow commercial and investment banks 8 00:00:27,986 --> 00:00:32,365 to merge and form institutions of unprecedented size and global reach. 9 00:00:35,619 --> 00:00:41,833 I think it's very important for us not to introduce regulation for regulation's sake. 10 00:00:42,334 --> 00:00:43,918 I do believe in the American dream. 11 00:00:45,462 --> 00:00:48,005 Owning a home is a part of that dream. 12 00:00:49,967 --> 00:00:56,097 We are taking action to bring many thousands of Americans closer to owning a home. 13 00:00:56,432 --> 00:00:59,892 This project not only is good for the soul of the country, 14 00:00:59,977 --> 00:01:02,019 it's good for the pocketbook of the country as well. 15 00:01:02,688 --> 00:01:05,440 The housing market has reached frantic proportions. 16 00:01:05,524 --> 00:01:08,484 It seems that everybody is building, buying or selling. 17 00:01:08,569 --> 00:01:11,404 The Dow and the S&P both breaking records. 18 00:01:11,488 --> 00:01:15,116 Profits soared 93 % at Goldman Sachs this year. 19 00:01:15,951 --> 00:01:20,079 Hotshot traders and bankers can expect to take home 10, 25, 20 00:01:20,164 --> 00:01:22,790 and in some cases, $50 million. 21 00:01:22,875 --> 00:01:25,918 Things that are too good to be true, are. 22 00:01:26,003 --> 00:01:27,837 When you see something coming... 23 00:01:27,921 --> 00:01:28,921 The real estate bubble... 24 00:01:29,006 --> 00:01:29,964 - Housing bubble... - Bubble... 25 00:01:30,048 --> 00:01:31,758 ...don't put it off. 26 00:01:31,842 --> 00:01:33,593 Take action immediately. 27 00:01:33,677 --> 00:01:36,220 Will there be a soft landing, or will the bubble burst? 28 00:01:40,517 --> 00:01:43,269 The new story, the mortgage meltdown. 29 00:01:43,353 --> 00:01:45,772 This morning in the mortgage meltdown, new numbers showing 30 00:01:45,856 --> 00:01:48,775 that a record number of Americans are losing their homes. 31 00:01:48,859 --> 00:01:52,445 More than 70 mortgage companies have failed in the last few months in America, 32 00:01:52,529 --> 00:01:56,866 and now the biggest of the big companies, the Bear Stearns, the big banks, 33 00:01:56,992 --> 00:01:58,576 are caught holding the bag. 34 00:02:01,830 --> 00:02:05,208 The fifth largest investment bank in the country, Bear Stearns, 35 00:02:05,292 --> 00:02:08,836 is being sold for just $2 a share to JPMorgan. 36 00:02:08,921 --> 00:02:12,131 It's being assisted by the government, which is stepping in to guarantee 37 00:02:12,216 --> 00:02:16,761 some $30 billion in Bear's toxic real estate assets. 38 00:02:19,389 --> 00:02:23,976 You've got to imagine that Hank Paulson didn't think he signed up for this 39 00:02:24,061 --> 00:02:27,605 when President Bush picked him to become Treasury Secretary. 40 00:02:27,981 --> 00:02:31,901 Hank Paulson may now have to undo some of the deregulation measures 41 00:02:31,985 --> 00:02:35,863 that he and his peers on Wall Street pushed through when he ran Goldman. 42 00:02:37,825 --> 00:02:40,827 Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson telling Matt Lauer this morning, 43 00:02:40,911 --> 00:02:44,622 "We're all over it. I've got great confidence in our markets. 44 00:02:44,706 --> 00:02:46,290 "They're resilient. They're flexible." 45 00:02:46,375 --> 00:02:51,087 Ali, the truth is that Bear Stearns is only a very small fraction of this story. 46 00:02:51,797 --> 00:02:55,633 Our economy could face far worse than a recession. 47 00:02:58,595 --> 00:03:01,806 In the wake of Bear's collapse, Lehman Brothers is scrambling 48 00:03:01,932 --> 00:03:06,185 to reassure investors about the impact of the mortgage crisis on its own assets. 49 00:03:06,270 --> 00:03:09,021 Insurers of the firm under a great deal of pressure this morning. 50 00:03:09,106 --> 00:03:11,858 Dick Fuld, a 39-year veteran of Lehman 51 00:03:11,942 --> 00:03:15,444 and the longest-running CEO of a major investment bank on Wall Street, 52 00:03:15,529 --> 00:03:18,906 has pulled the firm back from the brink during other crises, 53 00:03:19,449 --> 00:03:24,662 but today, for the first time that I'm hearing it, investors are questioning his leadership. 54 00:03:24,746 --> 00:03:26,038 - Motherfucker. - One key question 55 00:03:26,123 --> 00:03:27,748 investors have for Lehman Brothers, 56 00:03:27,833 --> 00:03:30,835 "What's the true earnings power of this investment bank's business?" 57 00:03:39,469 --> 00:03:41,387 - Hey. - Get up here. 58 00:03:41,471 --> 00:03:43,306 We gotta start stacking sand bags. 59 00:03:43,473 --> 00:03:44,599 What are you talking about? 60 00:03:44,683 --> 00:03:49,770 We're down 21 %. On paper, I just lost $90 million, personally. 61 00:03:51,356 --> 00:03:53,691 With investors pummeling Lehman shares, 62 00:03:53,775 --> 00:03:55,443 the big question this morning is, 63 00:03:55,527 --> 00:03:57,528 "What options does Fuld have?" 64 00:03:57,613 --> 00:03:59,947 So far, he has failed to raise new capital 65 00:04:00,032 --> 00:04:02,783 while virtually all of his rivals have already done so. 66 00:04:02,993 --> 00:04:07,330 And now, hedge fund manager David Einhorn is publicly questioning the accuracy of... 67 00:04:07,414 --> 00:04:08,497 Anything good? 68 00:04:09,333 --> 00:04:13,002 It's a red-tailed hawk, first one this year. 69 00:04:13,253 --> 00:04:14,420 Dick Fuld's on one. 70 00:04:14,504 --> 00:04:16,756 ...to provide credible answers. 71 00:04:16,840 --> 00:04:18,591 So let's go through a couple of those, uh, 72 00:04:18,675 --> 00:04:20,718 what you call discrepancies, because... 73 00:04:25,015 --> 00:04:27,516 - Tough morning? - We show top-quality earnings, 74 00:04:27,601 --> 00:04:29,852 - we beat every prediction. - Yeah. 75 00:04:29,937 --> 00:04:33,731 It's the damn short-sellers. You know the game, short and distort. 76 00:04:33,815 --> 00:04:35,858 They're rumormongers and they're making a killing. 77 00:04:36,026 --> 00:04:37,944 What are your plans for a capital raise? 78 00:04:38,153 --> 00:04:40,529 We're way ahead of you. Now, let me be clear, 79 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,533 we don't need the cash. 80 00:04:45,827 --> 00:04:48,037 You know, it's about perception. 81 00:04:48,121 --> 00:04:49,747 Buffett, Buffett. 82 00:04:51,375 --> 00:04:53,709 We're thinking of reaching out to Warren Buffett. 83 00:04:53,794 --> 00:04:54,794 Great. 84 00:04:55,587 --> 00:04:58,214 You and Buffett go back, right? 85 00:04:59,383 --> 00:05:01,676 Do me a favor and call him. 86 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,344 Tell him Lehman is rock solid. 87 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,139 As Treasury Secretary, I can't advocate for a specific investment. 88 00:05:10,727 --> 00:05:14,897 Hank, you want me to raise capital or not? 89 00:05:15,816 --> 00:05:18,484 Lehman Brothers is a hell of a lot bigger than Bear Stearns. 90 00:05:18,568 --> 00:05:19,902 The market is terrified. 91 00:05:20,445 --> 00:05:23,239 When I was running Goldman, I never even conceived 92 00:05:23,323 --> 00:05:25,783 of asking the Treasury Secretary to cut a deal for me. 93 00:05:25,867 --> 00:05:27,284 Yeah, but the Bear bailout created... 94 00:05:27,369 --> 00:05:28,619 Please don't call it a bailout. 95 00:05:28,704 --> 00:05:33,040 Okay, the very large Bear Stearns purchase assistance package 96 00:05:33,125 --> 00:05:34,834 created an expectation. 97 00:05:34,918 --> 00:05:36,585 Fuld's counting on direct intervention from you. 98 00:05:37,045 --> 00:05:39,088 Buffett's a simple solution. 99 00:05:40,757 --> 00:05:42,091 I think you make the call. 100 00:05:42,259 --> 00:05:47,179 As what? Warren's friend? His former banker? The Treasury Secretary? 101 00:05:47,264 --> 00:05:49,432 No. Fuld's calling him. 102 00:05:49,766 --> 00:05:51,308 Hopefully he'll jump in and we can all relax. 103 00:05:51,393 --> 00:05:55,354 Relax? We just buried one investment bank, we got another one that's barely breathing. 104 00:05:55,439 --> 00:05:58,190 This is a confidence game. People lose faith in Lehman, 105 00:05:58,275 --> 00:06:00,026 these banks are gonna drop like dominoes 106 00:06:00,110 --> 00:06:03,487 and I don't have the authority to do a thing about it. 107 00:06:03,572 --> 00:06:07,116 We're late. We've been late on everything. 108 00:06:07,284 --> 00:06:10,369 Neel's team is working on some kind of a disaster scenario. 109 00:06:10,454 --> 00:06:12,288 We're calling it the "Break the Glass" plan, 110 00:06:12,372 --> 00:06:14,498 what to ask Congress for if your back's against the wall. 111 00:06:14,791 --> 00:06:15,958 Money. 112 00:06:17,794 --> 00:06:19,837 Is what you ask them for. 113 00:06:21,298 --> 00:06:25,134 The problem is, Congress won't move until we've already hit the iceberg, 114 00:06:25,218 --> 00:06:26,635 and at that point, it may be too late. 115 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:31,599 So you're saying, with the full weight of the United States Treasury behind me, 116 00:06:31,683 --> 00:06:34,935 all I can do is call Warren Buffett? 117 00:06:35,645 --> 00:06:38,773 Hi, Warren. It's Hank. 118 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:41,567 I understand you've been talking to Dick Fuld. 119 00:06:41,651 --> 00:06:47,406 You know my misgivings, Hank, about investment banks. 120 00:06:47,491 --> 00:06:50,367 As soon as they started trading for themselves, 121 00:06:50,452 --> 00:06:52,078 the risk managers lost control. 122 00:06:52,162 --> 00:06:54,663 I had a very unpleasant time with Salomon Brothers. 123 00:06:54,748 --> 00:06:56,832 That's fair enough. 124 00:06:58,335 --> 00:07:02,213 But we both know that investment banking is a profitable business. 125 00:07:02,422 --> 00:07:05,841 I figure it made you a billion or so, huh? 126 00:07:05,926 --> 00:07:10,012 I gotta believe that if the price was right, you wouldn't just walk away. 127 00:07:10,097 --> 00:07:14,683 You know a good deal when you see one. What say you? 128 00:07:14,935 --> 00:07:17,561 I gotta leave that to your judgment. 129 00:07:18,688 --> 00:07:20,981 People act like we're crack dealers. 130 00:07:21,066 --> 00:07:22,817 Nobody put a gun to anybody's head and said, 131 00:07:22,901 --> 00:07:26,320 "Hey, nimrod, buy a house you can't afford. And you know what? While you're at it, 132 00:07:26,404 --> 00:07:28,447 "put a line of credit on that baby and buy yourself a boat." 133 00:07:28,698 --> 00:07:30,950 You heard anything from Buffett? 134 00:07:31,243 --> 00:07:35,496 He's asking for preferred shares at 40 with a dividend of 9 %. 135 00:07:35,580 --> 00:07:37,998 We were just at 66. What the fuck? 136 00:07:38,083 --> 00:07:40,042 Maybe it's just an opening gambit, Dick. 137 00:07:40,168 --> 00:07:41,710 Sounds more like a goddamn insult. 138 00:07:41,795 --> 00:07:43,212 - Let me get that, Dick. - Thank you. 139 00:07:43,380 --> 00:07:45,339 We're at 36 right now. 140 00:07:45,882 --> 00:07:48,759 We haven't been anywhere near 66 in months. 141 00:07:48,844 --> 00:07:50,761 The markets like Buffett. 142 00:07:50,846 --> 00:07:53,639 - His name will push the price up overnight. - I don't care who he is, 143 00:07:53,807 --> 00:07:58,811 I am not spending $360 million a year for the pleasure of doing business with him. 144 00:07:58,895 --> 00:08:00,020 Real estate will come back. 145 00:08:00,105 --> 00:08:01,647 Koreans have been sniffing around. 146 00:08:01,731 --> 00:08:03,524 There you go. And they won't steal us blind. 147 00:08:03,608 --> 00:08:06,360 I've seen this before. CEOs panic and they sell out cheap. 148 00:08:06,444 --> 00:08:09,446 Right now, the Street's running around with its hair on fire, 149 00:08:09,531 --> 00:08:11,407 but the storm always passes. 150 00:08:11,491 --> 00:08:16,120 We stand strong, and on the other side, we'll eat Goldman's lunch. 151 00:08:18,165 --> 00:08:19,915 So, what do we do about Buffett? 152 00:08:20,667 --> 00:08:23,627 Screw Warren Buffett. 153 00:08:25,797 --> 00:08:27,423 - He passed? - Lehman dropped 154 00:08:27,507 --> 00:08:29,758 to 28 and a half this morning. What in the world is he thinking? 155 00:08:29,843 --> 00:08:33,846 He's not thinking. He's delusional. He thought the ask was too high. 156 00:08:35,265 --> 00:08:36,682 He's gotta raise cash. 157 00:08:36,766 --> 00:08:38,601 I told him that. 158 00:08:39,936 --> 00:08:42,104 - I spoke to Greenspan. - Really? 159 00:08:42,314 --> 00:08:47,568 He says there's too much housing supply. That's the problem. 160 00:08:48,862 --> 00:08:53,449 So we should buy up all the vacant houses and burn them. 161 00:09:00,665 --> 00:09:03,959 Dick needs a buyer, someone with a grip on reality. 162 00:09:04,127 --> 00:09:06,295 Barclays expressed some interest a couple of months ago, 163 00:09:06,379 --> 00:09:08,130 but I don't think the price is low enough for them. 164 00:09:09,007 --> 00:09:11,217 - Bank of America? - Possible. 165 00:09:11,301 --> 00:09:13,177 Dick's put out feelers there before. 166 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,846 We have to keep it quiet, though. 167 00:09:15,931 --> 00:09:17,932 'Cause if anyone hears that they're trying to sell... 168 00:09:18,141 --> 00:09:20,976 Lehman'll be dead within the hour. 169 00:09:21,311 --> 00:09:23,479 The real estate investments are killing the firm. 170 00:09:24,147 --> 00:09:26,398 We have to admit publically we've made some mistakes. 171 00:09:26,566 --> 00:09:28,525 We need to make a senior management change, 172 00:09:28,610 --> 00:09:30,694 signal to the market that we get it. 173 00:09:32,239 --> 00:09:35,407 - Meaning what? - Meaning Joe Gregory. 174 00:09:35,992 --> 00:09:38,452 Get the fuck out of here. 175 00:09:40,038 --> 00:09:41,830 You are not gonna tell me how to run my company. 176 00:09:41,957 --> 00:09:44,917 Joe hasn't had your back on risk, and everyone knows it. 177 00:09:45,001 --> 00:09:48,337 Erin Callan's gotta go, too. As far as the Street's concerned, she's a joke. 178 00:09:48,463 --> 00:09:52,341 Joe Gregory has been with me for 30 years. 179 00:09:53,510 --> 00:09:57,012 And you want me to kick him to the curb because we had a bad quarter? 180 00:09:57,097 --> 00:09:58,639 It's not just a bad quarter. 181 00:09:58,723 --> 00:10:00,683 Stock hit 23. 182 00:10:00,767 --> 00:10:04,311 Twenty-three. Most of our guys are paid in stock they can't sell for years. 183 00:10:04,396 --> 00:10:07,022 They've lost most of their net worth over the last six months. 184 00:10:07,524 --> 00:10:11,068 You don't stabilize the price, your traders are gonna jump ship. 185 00:10:11,236 --> 00:10:13,028 Selfish fucks. 186 00:10:13,113 --> 00:10:16,991 It's not just bankers and traders, Dick. Clients are pulling their money. 187 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,785 There's gonna be a run on this bank. 188 00:10:23,540 --> 00:10:25,541 Sources tell CNBC that both 189 00:10:25,625 --> 00:10:29,253 Erin Callan and Joseph Gregory are out at Lehman Brothers. 190 00:10:29,379 --> 00:10:31,755 In a statement, the company's chairman, Dick Fuld, said 191 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,758 replacing Gregory with 48-year-old Bart McDade 192 00:10:34,843 --> 00:10:38,095 has been one of the most difficult decisions he's had to make. 193 00:10:39,806 --> 00:10:42,558 Dick, the Koreans just arrived at Sullivan. 194 00:10:43,685 --> 00:10:44,852 Let's go make this happen. 195 00:10:45,395 --> 00:10:47,730 My take is you'd be better off staying here for now. 196 00:10:49,566 --> 00:10:51,358 We need you to be our "missing man." 197 00:10:51,901 --> 00:10:54,320 We'll go in and push the deal as far as we can, 198 00:10:54,404 --> 00:10:57,990 and then we'll bring you in at the end to top it off. 199 00:10:58,158 --> 00:10:59,408 All right, fine. 200 00:11:00,535 --> 00:11:02,328 Okay. Okay. 201 00:11:07,917 --> 00:11:10,544 We are committed to our presence in New York. 202 00:11:12,881 --> 00:11:15,924 But we need to know that the underlying numbers make sense. 203 00:11:19,262 --> 00:11:21,930 We realize how things look. 204 00:11:22,015 --> 00:11:24,224 But our stock is getting hammered by the shorts. 205 00:11:24,642 --> 00:11:26,101 The value is still there. 206 00:11:28,104 --> 00:11:31,565 We just started. Min's excited, but we haven't heard the terms. 207 00:11:33,151 --> 00:11:34,234 Where are you? 208 00:11:34,319 --> 00:11:35,944 I just stepped out to take the call. 209 00:11:36,821 --> 00:11:38,489 Get back in there. Don't be rude. 210 00:11:39,783 --> 00:11:41,575 Okay. 211 00:11:41,659 --> 00:11:44,495 We simply take the assets you don't find appealing, 212 00:11:45,538 --> 00:11:47,664 spin them off into a separate company. 213 00:11:49,959 --> 00:11:52,419 - You don't buy that bank. - I'm very sorry. 214 00:11:52,504 --> 00:11:54,421 You buy the good bank. 215 00:11:57,217 --> 00:11:58,717 Look, they don't like the real estate. 216 00:11:58,802 --> 00:12:00,135 What do you mean, they don't like it? 217 00:12:00,220 --> 00:12:03,972 Dick, we're making real progress here, okay? Let me stay on it for now. 218 00:12:20,031 --> 00:12:22,157 Min, how are you? 219 00:12:22,700 --> 00:12:24,576 Great to see you. 220 00:12:25,537 --> 00:12:27,121 I don't want to interrupt. 221 00:12:27,414 --> 00:12:29,540 Dick, great timing. 222 00:12:29,624 --> 00:12:32,167 We seem to be in sync on the broad strokes of the deal. 223 00:12:32,710 --> 00:12:34,711 Shall we get back to the letter of intent? 224 00:12:34,879 --> 00:12:39,675 Min, I have to tell you, I think you're making a big mistake here. 225 00:12:39,843 --> 00:12:42,344 There's great value in the real estate assets. 226 00:12:43,555 --> 00:12:45,514 How about we walk through the portfolio 227 00:12:46,182 --> 00:12:47,683 and I'll show you? 228 00:12:50,562 --> 00:12:52,354 We have looked at them. 229 00:12:52,439 --> 00:12:56,024 Then you must have looked at them in the wrong way. 230 00:12:56,860 --> 00:12:59,653 See, I just don't wanna see you leave money on the table. 231 00:12:59,737 --> 00:13:02,364 Perhaps we should take a break. 232 00:13:08,329 --> 00:13:10,456 Min, I'm so sorry. 233 00:13:10,540 --> 00:13:14,668 We have negotiated in good faith. Now all of a sudden we are going backward? 234 00:13:14,752 --> 00:13:16,295 We can work with you on the price. 235 00:13:16,379 --> 00:13:18,213 It is not about the price. 236 00:13:18,590 --> 00:13:22,009 It is about the way you have conducted this. 237 00:13:27,682 --> 00:13:30,642 I'd like to thank you, all of you, 238 00:13:30,935 --> 00:13:34,229 but I don't think we have a structure that works. 239 00:13:40,445 --> 00:13:41,653 What, that's it? 240 00:13:41,738 --> 00:13:43,530 You're just gonna pack up and go back to Korea? 241 00:13:57,504 --> 00:13:59,463 - Hello? - Neel, it's Dick Fuld. 242 00:14:01,090 --> 00:14:04,718 Listen, you know, if Hank wants me to find a buyer, 243 00:14:04,802 --> 00:14:06,261 you guys need to step up and help. 244 00:14:06,638 --> 00:14:08,931 The Koreans just walked out, okay? 245 00:14:09,098 --> 00:14:10,641 Look, I'm just speaking for myself here, 246 00:14:10,725 --> 00:14:13,060 but I think you need to do what's right for the firm. 247 00:14:13,144 --> 00:14:14,853 Do what's right? 248 00:14:14,938 --> 00:14:16,438 What is that supposed to mean? 249 00:14:16,606 --> 00:14:18,690 If your stock price keeps sliding, 250 00:14:18,775 --> 00:14:21,235 you may get an offer at a price that doesn't look all that compelling, 251 00:14:21,319 --> 00:14:24,279 but you may have to take it just to keep the company intact. 252 00:14:24,697 --> 00:14:26,031 What kind of price are you talking about? 253 00:14:26,282 --> 00:14:27,699 Could be... 254 00:14:27,784 --> 00:14:30,077 I mean, it might be low single digits. 255 00:14:32,664 --> 00:14:36,333 Last February, we were at 66 a share. 256 00:14:38,336 --> 00:14:42,589 Lehman Brothers is not Bear Stearns. 257 00:14:42,674 --> 00:14:46,134 We've got a great business. Real estate's gonna come back. 258 00:14:46,261 --> 00:14:49,263 I am not fucking giving this company away! 259 00:14:49,764 --> 00:14:52,558 While the real estate market has put Lehman Brothers shares under pressure, 260 00:14:52,642 --> 00:14:54,726 mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac stocks 261 00:14:54,811 --> 00:14:58,105 are suddenly plummeting this morning, after reports the companies 262 00:14:58,189 --> 00:15:02,067 may need to raise $75 billion just to remain solvent. 263 00:15:02,151 --> 00:15:04,403 Because they guarantee such an enormous percentage 264 00:15:04,487 --> 00:15:05,904 of the nation's mortgages, 265 00:15:05,989 --> 00:15:07,739 there is renewed speculation that the government 266 00:15:07,824 --> 00:15:09,825 may have to step in and take them over, 267 00:15:10,243 --> 00:15:13,620 a possibility Barack Obama has now raised on the campaign trail. 268 00:15:13,705 --> 00:15:16,415 If Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac collapsed, 269 00:15:16,499 --> 00:15:22,588 then probably the financial system would receive such a body blow 270 00:15:22,672 --> 00:15:25,173 that it could be disastrous. 271 00:15:25,508 --> 00:15:29,511 Freddie just dropped another 8 %. Fannie's down 5 %. 272 00:15:30,138 --> 00:15:34,808 There's no bottom here. We need to do something. Now. 273 00:15:36,269 --> 00:15:37,936 We're working on a proposal for Congress, 274 00:15:38,021 --> 00:15:40,731 see if we can get the authority to put some money in. 275 00:15:40,815 --> 00:15:44,985 I'd rather not go that way, but if we get there... 276 00:15:45,069 --> 00:15:47,779 I think we're already there. 277 00:15:49,741 --> 00:15:52,618 - How much are you gonna ask for? - A blank check. 278 00:15:53,328 --> 00:15:56,705 It has to be enough of a statement to reassure the market. 279 00:15:56,789 --> 00:16:00,500 They need to think I've got a bazooka in my pocket. 280 00:16:00,585 --> 00:16:04,671 I'm not saying that we use it, but if we have the authority, 281 00:16:04,756 --> 00:16:08,508 everyone who's dumping their shares will calm down, back off. 282 00:16:09,385 --> 00:16:12,054 Okay, if you're going to Congress, why don't we give to the banks, too? 283 00:16:12,138 --> 00:16:14,389 'Cause Lehman's looking like shit and Merrill's not far behind. 284 00:16:14,557 --> 00:16:17,225 We'll be lucky to get them to move on Fannie and Freddie. 285 00:16:17,310 --> 00:16:19,686 We do what we can do. 286 00:16:30,907 --> 00:16:33,367 Secretary, Mrs. Paulson, over here. 287 00:16:33,910 --> 00:16:35,285 Over here, please. 288 00:16:36,162 --> 00:16:38,080 Mr. and Mrs. Paulson. 289 00:16:38,748 --> 00:16:39,956 Secretary Paulson, over here, please. 290 00:16:40,041 --> 00:16:41,833 Mrs. Paulson. Thank you. 291 00:16:43,169 --> 00:16:44,336 Mrs. Paulson. 292 00:16:45,088 --> 00:16:46,546 Mr. Paulson. 293 00:16:46,631 --> 00:16:49,132 Mr. and Mrs. Paulson, this way, please. 294 00:16:52,595 --> 00:16:54,513 Mr. Secretary, please. 295 00:16:54,597 --> 00:16:56,306 - I've got her. - You should take her. 296 00:16:57,934 --> 00:16:59,768 Right over here, Secretary Paulson, please. 297 00:16:59,852 --> 00:17:00,936 Secretary, over here. 298 00:17:01,020 --> 00:17:02,104 Big smile. Thank you. 299 00:17:02,855 --> 00:17:04,189 That's just what I need. 300 00:17:04,273 --> 00:17:07,317 Press photos of the Treasury Secretary waving the Chinese flag. 301 00:17:07,402 --> 00:17:12,447 Paulson the Communist. The look on your face was priceless. 302 00:17:14,409 --> 00:17:17,160 Hank, I must ask you about Fannie and Freddie. 303 00:17:19,914 --> 00:17:25,168 We have hundreds of billions invested. You've assured us the investment is safe. 304 00:17:25,253 --> 00:17:28,046 And it is, absolutely. 305 00:17:29,424 --> 00:17:32,551 We're watching a great deal of our money disappear. 306 00:17:32,635 --> 00:17:36,722 Share prices have dropped 60 % in the last two months. 307 00:17:36,806 --> 00:17:39,307 Carrying your bazooka around has not helped matters. 308 00:17:40,351 --> 00:17:43,562 Congress gave you the power. Perhaps it is time to use it. 309 00:17:43,646 --> 00:17:47,399 The market will stabilize. We just have to give it some time. 310 00:17:47,859 --> 00:17:51,361 There was an approach last month from Russia. 311 00:17:52,488 --> 00:17:55,240 They have considerable holdings in Fannie and Freddie as well. 312 00:17:56,242 --> 00:17:58,910 They suggested we coordinate, and without warning, 313 00:17:58,995 --> 00:18:02,414 dump hundreds of billions of Fannie and Freddie's bonds onto the market. 314 00:18:05,918 --> 00:18:07,878 - That would be... - Chaos. 315 00:18:08,838 --> 00:18:13,383 The amount of debt your country carries is a terrible vulnerability. 316 00:18:19,140 --> 00:18:22,768 - But you... - We declined, respectfully. 317 00:18:25,521 --> 00:18:27,606 Even in the US, it seems 318 00:18:27,690 --> 00:18:32,360 the relationship between the government and private industry isn't so simple. 319 00:18:36,616 --> 00:18:38,241 Was it a threat? 320 00:18:38,326 --> 00:18:41,953 No, no, it was a friendly reminder 321 00:18:42,038 --> 00:18:45,999 that with a single phone call to Moscow, they can take down the entire US economy. 322 00:18:53,883 --> 00:18:58,470 The book says Fannie and Freddie are a nightmare. 323 00:18:58,554 --> 00:19:01,223 They are in the hole easily tens of billions of dollars. 324 00:19:01,307 --> 00:19:03,558 Another few weeks, they're gonna start defaulting on their debts. 325 00:19:03,643 --> 00:19:07,562 - We're gonna have to step in. - I don't see how we can avoid it. 326 00:19:10,358 --> 00:19:13,568 Turns out a bazooka's not that useful unless you fire it. 327 00:19:15,655 --> 00:19:17,697 Lehman's down another 10 %. 328 00:19:17,782 --> 00:19:20,325 You are not gonna let me get down a single bite, are you? 329 00:19:20,409 --> 00:19:21,618 This is why I have oatmeal. 330 00:19:21,702 --> 00:19:24,329 Dick is trotting around the world with his hat in his hands, 331 00:19:24,413 --> 00:19:26,164 no one will give him any money. 332 00:19:26,249 --> 00:19:28,333 Korea walked out on him. Mexico told him to shove it. 333 00:19:28,417 --> 00:19:30,544 No one's interested. All the dumb money's already in. 334 00:19:30,628 --> 00:19:32,420 What about B of A? Are they still in the mix? 335 00:19:32,547 --> 00:19:36,675 And Barclays is sniffing around again, now that they think it's a fire sale. 336 00:19:36,759 --> 00:19:38,552 - That's promising. - I don't know. 337 00:19:38,636 --> 00:19:42,347 The British, they do a lot of talking. They never close. 338 00:19:44,350 --> 00:19:47,310 - B of A is still our best bet. - This can't be another Bear. 339 00:19:47,395 --> 00:19:50,355 Absolutely not. They want Lehman, they buy it outright. 340 00:19:50,439 --> 00:19:52,107 But they may need a little hand-holding, though. 341 00:19:52,191 --> 00:19:54,651 They just bought Countrywide. They're spread a little thin. 342 00:19:55,111 --> 00:19:58,280 You may have to give them a break with the capital requirements. 343 00:19:58,447 --> 00:20:01,741 You want me to allow them to raise their leverage 344 00:20:01,826 --> 00:20:05,287 so they can buy a bank that's about to fail because it was overleveraged? 345 00:20:06,956 --> 00:20:08,957 You got a better idea? 346 00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:12,377 Breaking news just coming in. Sources telling CNBC 347 00:20:12,461 --> 00:20:16,840 that the government has just taken control of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. 348 00:20:16,924 --> 00:20:18,884 Back in July, you remember, Hank Paulson said 349 00:20:18,968 --> 00:20:22,721 that he wanted the power to step in, but he probably wouldn't use it. 350 00:20:22,805 --> 00:20:26,349 It certainly sounds like Paulson just pulled the trigger on that bazooka. 351 00:20:26,434 --> 00:20:28,435 Despite the move to nationalize Fannie and Freddie, 352 00:20:28,519 --> 00:20:31,771 the market is still in negative territory across the board. 353 00:20:31,856 --> 00:20:35,025 Investors now focusing their attention on Lehman Brothers, 354 00:20:35,109 --> 00:20:38,486 amid fresh reports that the nation's fourth-largest investment bank 355 00:20:38,571 --> 00:20:40,280 may be on the brink of bankruptcy. 356 00:20:40,489 --> 00:20:41,907 Rodge. 357 00:20:41,991 --> 00:20:43,491 Chris. 358 00:20:43,576 --> 00:20:45,035 Bring your money today, huh? 359 00:20:48,623 --> 00:20:51,291 Make sure Fuld's not keeping any bad news out of the mix. 360 00:20:51,375 --> 00:20:54,336 It's "open kimono," to quote Dick. 361 00:20:54,670 --> 00:20:55,837 There's a revolting image. 362 00:20:59,508 --> 00:21:02,469 Did, uh, you get a look at the numbers? 363 00:21:03,054 --> 00:21:05,972 The real estate's the issue. They got it marked at 30 billion. 364 00:21:06,057 --> 00:21:10,060 It's worth maybe half of that. Don't look so nervous. 365 00:21:10,144 --> 00:21:13,355 You're about to get a Wall Street bank for the price of a hot dog. 366 00:21:13,856 --> 00:21:16,983 I know that Paulson told Ken Lewis that he's not gonna pay for this. 367 00:21:17,068 --> 00:21:18,610 And I don't see how we can do it 368 00:21:18,694 --> 00:21:20,570 unless the government takes some of the downside. 369 00:21:20,863 --> 00:21:22,656 Paulson is posturing. 370 00:21:22,740 --> 00:21:25,784 He'll write a check just like he did for Jamie Dimon on the Bear deal. 371 00:21:25,868 --> 00:21:29,788 He has to. He can't lose another major bank in an election year. 372 00:21:29,872 --> 00:21:34,292 Besides, the guy made, like, a half a billion bucks at Goldman Sachs. 373 00:21:34,377 --> 00:21:37,253 He lets Lehman die? Goldman's biggest competitor? 374 00:21:37,338 --> 00:21:39,005 Makes him look like he's still working for Goldman. 375 00:21:39,090 --> 00:21:41,883 He's just doing it out of a desk at Treasury. 376 00:21:44,220 --> 00:21:46,096 Where are the donuts? 377 00:21:47,098 --> 00:21:49,557 Exactly. If you're the CEO of one of these financial firms, 378 00:21:49,642 --> 00:21:52,227 you've already seen what the government was willing to do. 379 00:21:52,311 --> 00:21:54,771 Why wouldn't you play chicken with them and say, 380 00:21:54,855 --> 00:21:58,108 "Sure, I'll help you out. But you gotta throw in a sweetener, 381 00:21:58,192 --> 00:21:59,943 "just like you did for those guys"? 382 00:22:01,404 --> 00:22:04,531 They just assume I'm gonna bail out Dick Fuld, 383 00:22:04,615 --> 00:22:07,575 like I'm the guy behind the elephant with the shovel. 384 00:22:07,660 --> 00:22:11,454 They're all drawing a line from Bear and Fannie and Freddie right to Lehman. 385 00:22:11,539 --> 00:22:13,373 There's no way the taxpayers are gonna go for another bailout. 386 00:22:13,457 --> 00:22:16,084 - Very large purchase assistance package. - Large purchase assistance package. 387 00:22:16,252 --> 00:22:19,337 We need to come up with a private-sector solution, 388 00:22:19,422 --> 00:22:21,423 get the investment banks to bridge the gap. 389 00:22:21,507 --> 00:22:25,260 Okay, but that's never gonna work unless they believe that you've drawn a line. 390 00:22:25,344 --> 00:22:28,430 I know you don't like leaking, but let us reach out to the press. 391 00:22:34,895 --> 00:22:35,979 Okay. 392 00:22:39,066 --> 00:22:41,693 Mr. Flowers, there's a call for you. 393 00:22:41,777 --> 00:22:45,780 Bob Willumstad from AIG. He's very insistent. 394 00:22:51,162 --> 00:22:54,622 Mr. Flowers. My people tell me you're the man to talk to. 395 00:22:55,041 --> 00:22:56,458 We've got a real problem here. 396 00:22:56,751 --> 00:22:58,126 Yeah? What kind of problem? 397 00:22:58,294 --> 00:23:01,296 It looks very much like we are about to run out of cash. 398 00:23:01,630 --> 00:23:02,797 AIG? 399 00:23:02,882 --> 00:23:04,883 We've sent over a document. It's a spreadsheet. 400 00:23:04,967 --> 00:23:07,802 It's confidential, of course, but it might give you some insight. 401 00:23:08,179 --> 00:23:10,472 I'm in the middle of Lehman. I'm working with B of A. 402 00:23:11,307 --> 00:23:13,475 Is there any way you could come over tomorrow? 403 00:23:13,976 --> 00:23:17,395 I'll take a look at the numbers and we'll talk. 404 00:23:23,069 --> 00:23:25,236 Mr. Flowers. 405 00:23:28,699 --> 00:23:30,116 Somebody put the TV on. 406 00:23:30,451 --> 00:23:32,869 CNBC's talking about Lehman. 407 00:23:37,583 --> 00:23:42,504 A person familiar with Paulson's... Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson's thinking, 408 00:23:42,588 --> 00:23:45,298 and he is saying there will be no government money 409 00:23:45,591 --> 00:23:47,759 in the resolution of this situation. 410 00:23:47,843 --> 00:23:50,178 They're saying two things make the Lehman deal different. 411 00:23:50,262 --> 00:23:52,764 The market's been aware and had time to prepare 412 00:23:52,848 --> 00:23:55,058 for over six months. And the second is... 413 00:23:55,142 --> 00:23:57,769 Is that just TV bullshit? 414 00:23:57,853 --> 00:24:00,939 Or is that Paulson sending us a message? 415 00:24:01,690 --> 00:24:02,774 Chris? 416 00:24:10,366 --> 00:24:11,533 Yeah? Sorry. 417 00:24:15,037 --> 00:24:18,456 What exactly does "a person familiar with the Treasury Secretary" mean? 418 00:24:18,666 --> 00:24:20,708 That could mean a lot of things. 419 00:24:21,127 --> 00:24:22,460 Did one of your staffers do this? 420 00:24:22,545 --> 00:24:24,546 Please tell me someone got fired 10 minutes ago. 421 00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:26,464 The leak came from me. 422 00:24:29,009 --> 00:24:32,387 Hank, a public statement like that can have a lot of unintended consequences. 423 00:24:32,471 --> 00:24:35,348 We had to send a message to the other banks. They need to step up. 424 00:24:35,432 --> 00:24:37,392 I don't have another rabbit I can pull out of my hat. 425 00:24:39,311 --> 00:24:42,105 Rodgin Cohen just called me. 426 00:24:42,189 --> 00:24:44,941 The B of A team is sitting there playing Brickbreaker on their phones. 427 00:24:45,025 --> 00:24:46,234 They don't want this deal. 428 00:24:47,069 --> 00:24:50,488 The deal is hanging by a thread because the closer they get to Lehman, 429 00:24:50,573 --> 00:24:52,866 the more it looks like a toxic waste dump. 430 00:24:53,033 --> 00:24:56,452 Which is why at the end of the day we may have to help them, 431 00:24:56,537 --> 00:25:00,039 which would be a lot easier if we didn't publicly state that... 432 00:25:00,124 --> 00:25:02,167 We can't, Tim! Legally, we can't! 433 00:25:02,334 --> 00:25:07,589 Legally, we haven't figured out how yet. 434 00:25:09,091 --> 00:25:12,510 I am concerned 435 00:25:13,262 --> 00:25:18,349 we are limiting our options at a time when we have very few, 436 00:25:18,434 --> 00:25:20,101 if any, available. 437 00:25:23,105 --> 00:25:28,735 I want all the CEOs in a room. We've got the weekend. 438 00:25:28,819 --> 00:25:30,904 We lock them in a room at the Fed 439 00:25:31,155 --> 00:25:34,574 and we don't let them out until they have a solution on Lehman. 440 00:25:35,117 --> 00:25:36,534 Your oatmeal's getting cold. 441 00:25:36,619 --> 00:25:39,621 They'll figure it out. They'll all throw in some money. 442 00:25:41,624 --> 00:25:45,293 Tim is advocating strongly that we reconsider some kind of Fed support. 443 00:25:45,544 --> 00:25:49,714 Tim wants us to pick up the tab on everyone. I can't be Mr. Bailout. 444 00:25:50,674 --> 00:25:54,010 The Lehman hole is twice what Bear's was. 445 00:25:54,094 --> 00:25:56,638 Investors are pulling their accounts. You want to lend into a run? 446 00:25:56,847 --> 00:25:57,847 Uh-uh. 447 00:25:58,641 --> 00:26:00,475 What about Barclays? Are they still interested? 448 00:26:00,643 --> 00:26:03,311 They can't afford the risk any more than B of A can. 449 00:26:04,063 --> 00:26:06,814 I don't doubt your ability to talk anybody into submission, 450 00:26:06,899 --> 00:26:09,567 but it is still a long shot. 451 00:26:09,652 --> 00:26:12,862 And there's a very real possibility that Lehman goes under. 452 00:26:12,947 --> 00:26:15,198 There's a deal to be made here. 453 00:26:16,992 --> 00:26:18,993 I'm gonna make the deal. 454 00:26:19,578 --> 00:26:22,830 With just a little more than an hour left until the market closes, 455 00:26:22,915 --> 00:26:25,416 shares of Lehman Brothers have taken another tumble. 456 00:26:25,501 --> 00:26:29,587 The stock is now trading at a new low, under $4 a share. 457 00:26:29,672 --> 00:26:34,300 And judging from the selling, there doesn't appear to be a bottom in sight. 458 00:26:37,638 --> 00:26:40,139 So, Blankfein has a speech he's trying to get out of, 459 00:26:40,224 --> 00:26:41,266 but the rest have confirmed. 460 00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:43,559 - Tell him it's not optional. - Yeah. 461 00:26:43,811 --> 00:26:46,104 Good afternoon, Chairman. Thank you so much for joining us. 462 00:26:46,814 --> 00:26:50,275 - Whose plane is this? - Uh, that's a rental. 463 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:51,985 Hank put it on his card. 464 00:26:52,069 --> 00:26:55,029 Sir, you know Neel and Michele Davis, Public Affairs. 465 00:26:55,114 --> 00:26:56,155 Hi. Pleasure. 466 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,449 - This is Dan Jester, our new numbers guy. - Hi. 467 00:26:58,534 --> 00:27:00,285 I talked him into coming out of retirement. 468 00:27:00,369 --> 00:27:02,870 - Excuse me? Retirement? - He was with us at Goldman. 469 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,248 Got anybody at Treasury who wasn't at Goldman? 470 00:27:05,332 --> 00:27:09,002 Chairman, just to be clear, there's no question of conflict of interest. 471 00:27:09,086 --> 00:27:11,796 Hank sold all of his Goldman stock before he took office. 472 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,215 - I wasn't implying anything. - Sorry. 473 00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:17,385 We're a little touchy about the whole "Government Sachs" thing. 474 00:27:18,053 --> 00:27:19,846 Shall we? 475 00:27:23,434 --> 00:27:27,812 B of A keeps finding more toxic assets. They want you to reconsider a Jamie deal. 476 00:27:27,896 --> 00:27:31,482 They'll split the first billion in losses, but they want you on the hook for the next 40. 477 00:27:31,567 --> 00:27:32,859 You did it for Bear. 478 00:27:34,153 --> 00:27:35,945 Greg, let me get back to you. 479 00:27:36,405 --> 00:27:39,991 What, do I have to tattoo it on my forehead? We are not bailing out Lehman. 480 00:27:40,075 --> 00:27:41,659 Wall Street has a gambling problem. 481 00:27:41,744 --> 00:27:45,830 If government keeps covering their losses, they never learn anything. 482 00:27:47,708 --> 00:27:49,375 - What? - I didn't know if you wanted 483 00:27:49,460 --> 00:27:53,838 to keep lecturing me on moral hazard or if I should just call B of A back. 484 00:27:54,548 --> 00:27:57,759 We need to keep them at the table until they come up with a private-sector solution. 485 00:27:57,843 --> 00:27:59,427 Tell them to stay with us. 486 00:28:01,096 --> 00:28:02,889 - Alistair, hello. - Hello, Henry. 487 00:28:02,973 --> 00:28:05,099 Hold on one second. 488 00:28:06,602 --> 00:28:08,561 Chancellor of the Exchequer. 489 00:28:08,645 --> 00:28:12,023 I understand Barclays is one of your potential buyers for Lehman. 490 00:28:12,107 --> 00:28:14,817 My banks are already under a great deal of stress. 491 00:28:14,902 --> 00:28:16,611 I don't want to become overextended. 492 00:28:16,695 --> 00:28:19,155 Lehman is problematic, but there's value there. 493 00:28:19,239 --> 00:28:23,451 We will find a way to make it attractive. Just stay with us. 494 00:28:23,952 --> 00:28:25,119 Talk soon then. 495 00:28:25,204 --> 00:28:26,454 Bye. 496 00:28:26,663 --> 00:28:31,167 We'll keep Barclays in the mix, but B of A is still our best bet. 497 00:28:31,668 --> 00:28:35,213 We've got the CEOs of every major bank coming here tonight. 498 00:28:35,297 --> 00:28:38,341 We have to make it clear that this is their problem, 499 00:28:38,425 --> 00:28:41,844 that we are their advisors and their allies, 500 00:28:41,929 --> 00:28:45,973 but we are not their safety net. 501 00:28:47,142 --> 00:28:48,476 What should we expect from these guys? 502 00:28:59,446 --> 00:29:01,239 Jamie is smart. 503 00:29:01,323 --> 00:29:04,450 He doesn't have as much cash to work with since he bought Bear. 504 00:29:06,870 --> 00:29:08,746 Lloyd's a superstar. 505 00:29:09,873 --> 00:29:11,707 Goldman's the smartest shop on the block. 506 00:29:11,792 --> 00:29:15,169 And just because I used to be his boss, it doesn't mean he's gonna listen to me. 507 00:29:17,256 --> 00:29:20,091 John Mack, he used to run around the floor screaming, 508 00:29:20,175 --> 00:29:23,511 "There's blood in the water! Let's go kill someone!" 509 00:29:24,263 --> 00:29:26,347 He's a fighter. 510 00:29:28,225 --> 00:29:32,019 Thain was my number two at Goldman. He's selfish. He's a pragmatist. 511 00:29:32,104 --> 00:29:35,356 He knows if Lehman goes, Merrill's next. 512 00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:40,361 Vikram Pandit is the new guy at Citigroup. 513 00:29:41,947 --> 00:29:45,533 No one knows if he's running Citi or if Citi's running him. 514 00:30:08,724 --> 00:30:11,893 Thanks for coming down here on such short notice. 515 00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:16,606 Monday morning, Lehman will no longer be able to honor its obligations. 516 00:30:19,401 --> 00:30:22,236 We have two potential buyers. B of A and Barclays. 517 00:30:22,321 --> 00:30:26,824 Neither will take the company unless someone else finances part of the deal. 518 00:30:26,909 --> 00:30:30,203 The government is not in a position to step in. 519 00:30:31,497 --> 00:30:34,582 I did the last one. You're gonna do this one. 520 00:30:34,708 --> 00:30:36,042 Where's Dick Fuld? 521 00:30:36,126 --> 00:30:38,377 Dick's in no condition to make any decisions. 522 00:30:38,462 --> 00:30:41,464 We're breaking you into three groups. 523 00:30:41,757 --> 00:30:46,385 The first one will try to value Lehman's toxic assets. 524 00:30:46,762 --> 00:30:49,972 The second one will work on some sort of structure for you all to invest in Lehman. 525 00:30:50,390 --> 00:30:54,018 And the third one works on the lights-out plan. 526 00:30:54,353 --> 00:30:56,604 If Lehman files for bankruptcy, we need to figure out 527 00:30:56,688 --> 00:30:58,898 how to contain the damage to the rest of you. 528 00:30:59,191 --> 00:31:00,274 Christ. 529 00:31:00,442 --> 00:31:02,151 We've all seen this coming for miles. 530 00:31:02,236 --> 00:31:05,363 I don't think a Lehman bankruptcy takes down our firms. 531 00:31:05,447 --> 00:31:07,949 What, are we crossing our fingers? 532 00:31:08,116 --> 00:31:13,120 You're asking us to save a competitor. Let's not act like you're doing us a favor. 533 00:31:13,664 --> 00:31:17,375 Gentlemen, gentlemen, you are great Americans 534 00:31:17,459 --> 00:31:19,335 undertaking a patriotic duty. 535 00:31:19,836 --> 00:31:22,964 Your travail will earn you the love 536 00:31:23,215 --> 00:31:25,466 and gratitude of your country. 537 00:31:25,717 --> 00:31:27,802 I think it was Thomas Paine who said, "These are..." 538 00:31:27,886 --> 00:31:30,096 Lehman is a trading partner for every bank in this room. 539 00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:32,890 Their failure will be a massive blow to all of you. 540 00:31:32,975 --> 00:31:34,517 This is your problem. 541 00:31:34,685 --> 00:31:37,562 We can all argue about how we got here. 542 00:31:37,646 --> 00:31:41,232 Deregulation, derivatives, Dick Fuld made bad decisions. 543 00:31:41,608 --> 00:31:44,819 We're all responsible. It's a catastrophic mess. 544 00:31:45,737 --> 00:31:48,656 The government's done whatever it can do. It's on you now. 545 00:31:49,116 --> 00:31:51,492 You need to fix it and you need to pay for it. 546 00:31:51,743 --> 00:31:53,703 Let me be clear. 547 00:31:54,997 --> 00:31:59,500 We will remember anyone who is not helpful. 548 00:32:23,275 --> 00:32:25,109 Do you notice a little pattern here? 549 00:32:25,193 --> 00:32:27,945 We don't deal with things until there's some kind of emergency on the table. 550 00:32:28,030 --> 00:32:30,114 Yeah, we don't deal with things until Friday. 551 00:32:30,198 --> 00:32:31,324 Some kind of a weekend thing. 552 00:32:31,408 --> 00:32:32,450 When were we gonna figure out 553 00:32:32,534 --> 00:32:34,619 exactly how to handle the failure of an investment bank? 554 00:32:34,703 --> 00:32:36,329 Let's do it over a weekend. 555 00:32:36,413 --> 00:32:39,790 I talked to a person who is monitoring the situation out there, 556 00:32:39,875 --> 00:32:44,003 and the person said they all want the same deal Jamie Dimon got, 557 00:32:44,087 --> 00:32:46,130 and they're not going to get it. 558 00:32:46,298 --> 00:32:49,383 Just a heads up, Chris Flowers is in the lobby. 559 00:32:49,468 --> 00:32:52,386 He's consulting for B of A on Lehman. 560 00:32:53,722 --> 00:32:56,182 Hank pushed Flowers out of Goldman. 561 00:32:56,266 --> 00:32:59,894 Yesterday, we thought Lehman was holding 30 billion in crap. Today it's 70. 562 00:33:00,020 --> 00:33:03,397 $70 billion in assets that we're valuing with a dartboard. 563 00:33:03,482 --> 00:33:04,732 No, we're gonna work this out. 564 00:33:05,067 --> 00:33:07,318 Unless you step in, we're ending this. 565 00:33:07,402 --> 00:33:08,694 Don't forget about Dick. 566 00:33:08,779 --> 00:33:12,740 Yeah, Dick Fuld keeps calling, hammering us to raise the price. 567 00:33:14,868 --> 00:33:16,869 Excuse me. 568 00:33:20,499 --> 00:33:25,378 70 fucking billion and no collateral? 569 00:33:27,422 --> 00:33:29,590 If Lehman Brothers fails this weekend, 570 00:33:29,675 --> 00:33:33,928 there's little doubt amongst the people I speak to that Merrill Lynch will be next. 571 00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:36,180 Confidence is a very fragile thing. 572 00:33:36,264 --> 00:33:39,934 And in our financial markets, it is eroding very quickly. 573 00:33:40,018 --> 00:33:45,106 Lehman's not gonna make it. We're next. We need to do something right now. 574 00:33:45,482 --> 00:33:48,776 B of A's the only one out there. I can put in a call. 575 00:33:48,860 --> 00:33:50,945 - It screws Lehman, but... - Lehman screwed themselves. 576 00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:56,534 Paulson has drawn a line in the sand. Lehman is dead. Make the call. 577 00:33:59,788 --> 00:34:03,124 We'd like you guys to look at taking a stake in Merrill, 578 00:34:03,208 --> 00:34:05,960 something in the neighborhood of 10 %. 579 00:34:06,128 --> 00:34:09,797 I don't know if I can generate any interest in 10 %, 580 00:34:10,632 --> 00:34:13,592 but if the whole company's in play, 581 00:34:13,677 --> 00:34:15,803 I bet that's something that we'd consider. 582 00:34:15,971 --> 00:34:17,930 Us and Lehman? 583 00:34:18,849 --> 00:34:20,725 Deal this size, there's only room for one. 584 00:34:27,566 --> 00:34:32,486 It is a lot of risk, no question, but if you stay in the game, 585 00:34:32,571 --> 00:34:34,989 - we all will find a private solution. - Absolutely. 586 00:34:37,284 --> 00:34:41,662 Don't get scared by the numbers. We'll figure it out. Lehman is worth owning. 587 00:34:41,747 --> 00:34:44,457 Guys, you got a second? 588 00:34:48,044 --> 00:34:49,920 I was at AIG yesterday. 589 00:34:50,005 --> 00:34:54,592 Next Wednesday, they got a $5 billion hole, minimum. 590 00:34:55,761 --> 00:34:59,513 I called Warren Buffett. He wouldn't touch it with a stick. 591 00:35:00,682 --> 00:35:01,932 We're looking into it. 592 00:35:02,017 --> 00:35:03,976 It's a very big company. 593 00:35:06,354 --> 00:35:10,357 Thanks, Chris. I appreciate all your help. 594 00:35:17,532 --> 00:35:19,533 They're not on top of it. 595 00:35:26,291 --> 00:35:28,375 Look at this. 596 00:35:31,922 --> 00:35:34,423 Is this even possible? 597 00:35:34,925 --> 00:35:36,258 AIG? 598 00:35:36,551 --> 00:35:37,593 Holy shit. 599 00:35:39,554 --> 00:35:41,138 Get into this. 600 00:35:43,475 --> 00:35:44,517 John. 601 00:35:50,190 --> 00:35:52,775 Do you see what's happening here? 602 00:35:53,568 --> 00:35:55,444 Are you watching out for yourself? 603 00:35:55,529 --> 00:35:59,990 I'm not thick. I'm working on something. 604 00:36:03,620 --> 00:36:05,996 You're talking to B of A. 605 00:36:07,999 --> 00:36:09,333 I'm sorry. 606 00:36:10,377 --> 00:36:12,920 I know it's not good for Lehman, but I have to take care of Merrill. 607 00:36:13,088 --> 00:36:15,464 Let me worry about Lehman. 608 00:36:16,424 --> 00:36:19,134 Barclays is still in the game. 609 00:36:21,471 --> 00:36:22,596 Just get it done. 610 00:36:33,859 --> 00:36:37,361 B of A is gonna buy Merrill. 611 00:36:39,906 --> 00:36:41,699 We need to make Barclays work. 612 00:36:43,034 --> 00:36:45,327 I thought you said the British never close. 613 00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:49,915 They're here. They seem to really want it. 614 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,210 If we hold their hands, they'll close. 615 00:36:53,295 --> 00:36:58,674 Rodgin, what the fuck? I can't get Geithner. I can't get Paulson. 616 00:36:58,758 --> 00:37:01,594 I can't even get my own goddamn employees to pick up the phone. 617 00:37:01,678 --> 00:37:03,637 There's a lot happening down here, Dick. 618 00:37:03,722 --> 00:37:05,139 Oh, fuck. 619 00:37:05,724 --> 00:37:07,933 You know what? You tell Geithner, 620 00:37:08,018 --> 00:37:11,061 he doesn't pull my ass out of the fire, Merrill's gonna be next. 621 00:37:11,187 --> 00:37:12,313 He knows that. 622 00:37:12,397 --> 00:37:16,775 Dick, he just told me they're working on a solution for Merrill. 623 00:37:20,196 --> 00:37:22,156 Those cocksuckers are gonna bail out Merrill? 624 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:23,824 No, no, not the Fed. 625 00:37:24,117 --> 00:37:27,870 There's no private buyers. There's just B of A and... 626 00:37:29,456 --> 00:37:31,498 They're gonna put B of A together with Merrill? 627 00:37:31,583 --> 00:37:34,084 We still have Barclays. Hank feels that... 628 00:37:34,169 --> 00:37:37,963 The federal government is snaking my deal? 629 00:37:39,299 --> 00:37:41,800 I cannot fucking believe this shit! 630 00:37:44,471 --> 00:37:46,221 B of A made a deal with Merrill? 631 00:37:46,306 --> 00:37:48,307 Yeah, Lehman's still our problem. 632 00:37:49,017 --> 00:37:51,143 I don't think I can take another day of this. 633 00:37:51,227 --> 00:37:54,521 You're getting out of a Mercedes to go to the New York Federal Reserve. 634 00:37:54,606 --> 00:37:57,316 It's not a Higgins boat on Omaha Beach. 635 00:38:06,034 --> 00:38:08,786 Okay, okay, we've been here a long time. 636 00:38:09,871 --> 00:38:12,122 Let's stop fucking around. 637 00:38:12,207 --> 00:38:15,125 Main Street wants Wall Street to pay. 638 00:38:15,210 --> 00:38:18,045 They think we're overpaid assholes. 639 00:38:19,047 --> 00:38:21,590 There's no politician who's gonna sign off on a bailout. 640 00:38:21,675 --> 00:38:25,594 Why would you bail out people whose sole job is to make money? 641 00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:29,598 So, let's make this real simple. 642 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,478 Hank thinks he can sell the good parts of Lehman to Barclays, 643 00:38:34,562 --> 00:38:38,899 but someone has to take the real estate crap that's weighing down the company. 644 00:38:38,984 --> 00:38:40,734 Nobody knows how much this shit is worth, 645 00:38:40,819 --> 00:38:42,945 but we know somebody has to buy it to make a deal. 646 00:38:43,405 --> 00:38:47,282 I don't like it. Nobody likes it. 647 00:38:47,826 --> 00:38:50,244 Let's just suck it up and do it. 648 00:38:50,620 --> 00:38:56,000 How many of you can kick in a billion dollars to stop Lehman from going down? 649 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,505 I'm in. One billion. 650 00:39:14,019 --> 00:39:16,186 Okay. 651 00:39:21,484 --> 00:39:24,236 Goldman's in for a billion. 652 00:39:31,578 --> 00:39:32,995 John? 653 00:39:34,289 --> 00:39:35,414 Yeah? 654 00:39:41,421 --> 00:39:42,463 Yes. 655 00:39:45,050 --> 00:39:46,133 Yeah. 656 00:39:49,262 --> 00:39:50,304 Yes. 657 00:39:55,643 --> 00:39:57,895 We did it. Barclays came through. 658 00:39:58,146 --> 00:39:59,813 Too goddamn right! 659 00:39:59,898 --> 00:40:04,443 Barclays won't touch the real estate assets, but the other banks agreed to cover those. 660 00:40:06,488 --> 00:40:10,324 Call the board. Get everybody here. We got a deal to make. 661 00:40:10,533 --> 00:40:11,700 Okay. 662 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,003 Did you get him? 663 00:40:23,088 --> 00:40:25,506 Geithner doesn't return my calls. 664 00:40:26,341 --> 00:40:27,966 We can't get hold of any of those people. 665 00:40:28,051 --> 00:40:30,928 At the end of the day, they can't sign the deal without our say-so. 666 00:40:31,012 --> 00:40:33,138 Yes, but do they know that? 667 00:40:36,768 --> 00:40:37,893 Yes. 668 00:40:38,812 --> 00:40:42,689 Yes, by all means, now that he deigns to call, put him through. 669 00:40:43,024 --> 00:40:45,692 Sir Callum, sorry I haven't gotten back to you. 670 00:40:45,777 --> 00:40:49,363 We're just sorting through this Barclays deal for Lehman. 671 00:40:50,365 --> 00:40:52,491 As Barclays' regulator, 672 00:40:52,575 --> 00:40:55,494 we have serious concerns about this proposed arrangement. 673 00:40:55,578 --> 00:40:59,456 What? Are you saying you won't approve the deal? 674 00:40:59,541 --> 00:41:03,001 Even if we were comfortable with the agreement, which we are not, 675 00:41:03,086 --> 00:41:07,089 Barclays would need at least 30 days for shareholder approval. 676 00:41:07,173 --> 00:41:11,885 No, no, no, no, no, no. He can't. He can't do this. 677 00:41:11,970 --> 00:41:14,638 - Can they stop the deal? - Yeah, of course they can stop the deal. 678 00:41:14,722 --> 00:41:16,640 But even if they don't stop it, the delay will kill it. 679 00:41:16,724 --> 00:41:20,185 Let's call the Chancellor of the Exchequer right now. 680 00:41:20,395 --> 00:41:25,190 None of those assets would be part of Barclays. 681 00:41:26,317 --> 00:41:30,529 Yes, but if the FSA were to... 682 00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:32,281 We need stability. 683 00:41:32,365 --> 00:41:35,075 Of course. 684 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,036 ...must be to the British financial system. Surely you see that. 685 00:41:38,121 --> 00:41:39,246 Yeah. 686 00:41:39,873 --> 00:41:42,249 I wish you good night and good luck. 687 00:41:43,418 --> 00:41:45,586 Good night to you, too. 688 00:41:53,303 --> 00:41:55,762 "We don't want to import your cancer." 689 00:42:08,359 --> 00:42:09,776 Those of you 690 00:42:11,237 --> 00:42:14,364 who didn't want to assist the Barclays deal, 691 00:42:14,449 --> 00:42:17,117 you can breathe a sigh of relief. 692 00:42:18,328 --> 00:42:19,411 The deal's not gonna happen. 693 00:42:19,495 --> 00:42:21,747 - Hey, we have the money. - Deal's dead. 694 00:42:22,749 --> 00:42:25,125 British regulator won't sign off. 695 00:42:25,210 --> 00:42:26,793 There must be some pressure you can exert. 696 00:42:26,878 --> 00:42:29,463 Trust me, I've done everything I can. 697 00:42:29,797 --> 00:42:31,215 The British, 698 00:42:33,301 --> 00:42:35,260 they grin-fucked us. 699 00:42:38,556 --> 00:42:42,226 Paulson's got 100,000 employees. Geithner has 200 lawyers. 700 00:42:42,310 --> 00:42:44,728 Frigging Chris Cox has 3,000 people. 701 00:42:44,812 --> 00:42:47,522 Not a single one of those assholes could pick up a phone, 702 00:42:47,607 --> 00:42:50,108 call the British, find out if there was a deal to be made 703 00:42:50,193 --> 00:42:53,862 before they spend the weekend sweating us for cash? 704 00:42:53,947 --> 00:42:55,280 Somebody dropped the ball. 705 00:42:55,365 --> 00:42:57,199 They didn't drop the ball. 706 00:42:57,283 --> 00:42:59,076 They dropped the ball, kicked the coach in the nuts 707 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,203 and took a crap in the quarterback's mouth. 708 00:43:01,287 --> 00:43:02,829 Of course. 709 00:43:05,792 --> 00:43:07,918 The Fed will do something. 710 00:43:09,128 --> 00:43:10,295 They have to. 711 00:43:15,385 --> 00:43:17,135 We've got to announce the Lehman bankruptcy now. 712 00:43:17,220 --> 00:43:20,847 If Asia opens and this isn't locked down, everyone's gonna assume the worst. 713 00:43:20,932 --> 00:43:23,141 The sell-off will kill the Merrill-B of A deal. 714 00:43:23,226 --> 00:43:25,602 - Who's gonna make the announcement? - I think it's gotta be SEC. 715 00:43:25,687 --> 00:43:26,812 Yeah. 716 00:43:28,731 --> 00:43:29,856 Okay. 717 00:43:33,194 --> 00:43:35,320 Let's do it here. How soon can we set that up? 718 00:43:35,405 --> 00:43:36,738 Right away. 719 00:43:36,823 --> 00:43:39,533 We could use the main floor, the entrance hall. 720 00:43:39,617 --> 00:43:42,160 With the statue behind me? Excellent. 721 00:43:46,332 --> 00:43:48,875 Did Lehman actually agree to file? 722 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,261 Chris, call Lehman. 723 00:43:59,345 --> 00:44:00,929 Make sure they file right now. 724 00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:02,681 Absolutely. 725 00:44:14,986 --> 00:44:16,862 AIG's a huge problem. 726 00:44:16,946 --> 00:44:19,656 The books are a mess. But from what I can tell, 727 00:44:19,741 --> 00:44:22,659 half the banks in the world are in bed with these guys. 728 00:44:22,744 --> 00:44:24,911 Everyone who had a piece-of-crap mortgage security 729 00:44:24,996 --> 00:44:28,415 bought insurance on their risk from AIG, and I mean everyone. 730 00:44:28,499 --> 00:44:30,834 How could they let this happen? 731 00:44:30,918 --> 00:44:34,963 They must have figured real estate would never go down, ever. 732 00:44:35,715 --> 00:44:37,632 Hank, Lehman still hasn't filed. 733 00:44:40,303 --> 00:44:43,930 Cox has to make his announcement. Asia's opening. 734 00:44:44,015 --> 00:44:45,182 Has he talked to them? 735 00:44:45,266 --> 00:44:47,476 He hasn't even called yet. 736 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,145 We told Fuld about Barclays. We said Cox was gonna call. 737 00:44:50,229 --> 00:44:53,398 He's got his entire board sitting there, no call. 738 00:44:54,108 --> 00:44:55,233 Cox is like a deer in the headlights. 739 00:44:55,985 --> 00:44:57,944 Son of a bitch! 740 00:45:03,951 --> 00:45:07,746 You are their regulator. Call the Lehman board now. 741 00:45:07,830 --> 00:45:10,415 Hank, it's a complicated situation where... 742 00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:12,417 Asia's opening. 743 00:45:12,502 --> 00:45:14,252 They don't announce, the market goes in the toilet. 744 00:45:14,337 --> 00:45:17,381 We have to consider the appropriate role of government here. 745 00:45:17,465 --> 00:45:19,549 Can I, as Chairman of SEC, move forward and... 746 00:45:19,634 --> 00:45:22,052 You guys are like the gang that can't shoot straight. 747 00:45:22,136 --> 00:45:23,804 This is your job. 748 00:45:24,806 --> 00:45:27,974 Make the damn phone call. 749 00:45:35,274 --> 00:45:37,025 Chris, this is Dick Fuld. 750 00:45:37,110 --> 00:45:41,780 The board is in session. Everyone is here. All the directors and the firm's counsel. 751 00:45:41,864 --> 00:45:45,242 We understand the Barclays deal has imploded. 752 00:45:46,702 --> 00:45:52,416 We were hoping you might have some option that we haven't thought of yet. 753 00:45:53,042 --> 00:45:56,461 Um, the markets are in turmoil, as you know. 754 00:45:57,088 --> 00:45:59,214 A Lehman bankruptcy will help 755 00:45:59,298 --> 00:46:02,050 settle that uncertainty and, we believe, calm the market. 756 00:46:02,135 --> 00:46:04,886 Both the Fed and SEC are in agreement about this. 757 00:46:04,971 --> 00:46:08,807 Let me... I'm sorry, let me see if I understand this. 758 00:46:08,891 --> 00:46:12,686 Are you directing us to put Lehman into bankruptcy? 759 00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:14,563 Give us a moment. 760 00:46:15,982 --> 00:46:17,732 - He's muted. - What the hell was that? 761 00:46:20,862 --> 00:46:22,904 Tell them to file. 762 00:46:22,989 --> 00:46:26,074 Everything said in that meeting is or will be public record. 763 00:46:26,159 --> 00:46:28,285 I can't tell a private company to file for bankruptcy. 764 00:46:28,369 --> 00:46:31,538 I don't have that power. Do I? 765 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,043 Do it. 766 00:46:49,474 --> 00:46:55,061 The decision to file for bankruptcy protection is one the board needs to make. 767 00:46:56,022 --> 00:47:00,358 It is not the government's decision. But we do believe 768 00:47:02,737 --> 00:47:04,696 that the situation should be resolved. 769 00:47:04,864 --> 00:47:07,365 So you're not directing us to file? 770 00:47:07,909 --> 00:47:11,661 I'm not saying anything more than I've just said. Thank you. 771 00:47:24,842 --> 00:47:26,760 Take the vote. 772 00:47:28,429 --> 00:47:30,680 - Mr. Akers? - Yes. 773 00:47:30,765 --> 00:47:32,349 Sir Christopher? 774 00:47:34,227 --> 00:47:35,352 Yes. 775 00:47:35,436 --> 00:47:37,354 Admiral Evans? 776 00:47:37,438 --> 00:47:40,148 I'm sorry, but yes. 777 00:47:40,942 --> 00:47:42,484 Chairman Fuld? 778 00:47:45,613 --> 00:47:46,947 Dick? 779 00:47:52,912 --> 00:47:54,037 Yes. 780 00:47:57,667 --> 00:48:00,752 - Mr. Hernandez? - Yes. 781 00:48:02,338 --> 00:48:05,257 - Mr. Ainslie? - Yes. 782 00:48:06,133 --> 00:48:08,426 - Mr. Berlind? - Yes. 783 00:48:08,928 --> 00:48:11,555 - Mr. Cruikshank? - Yes. 784 00:48:11,639 --> 00:48:14,891 - Dr. Kaufman? - Yes. 785 00:48:14,976 --> 00:48:16,643 - Mr. Macomber? - Yes. 786 00:48:19,772 --> 00:48:20,981 P? 787 00:48:21,899 --> 00:48:24,484 - Lehman's gone. - Oh, honey. 788 00:48:24,569 --> 00:48:26,236 I should have known the British were gonna be a problem. 789 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,863 I spoke to them two days ago. I should have read between the lines. 790 00:48:32,243 --> 00:48:37,414 You can't take all this on. There's a lot of other people involved. 791 00:48:37,498 --> 00:48:40,417 It's on me. I'm Treasury Secretary 792 00:48:40,501 --> 00:48:42,961 and the fourth-largest investment bank in the country 793 00:48:43,045 --> 00:48:44,796 failed on my watch. 794 00:48:45,756 --> 00:48:47,382 I mean... 795 00:48:50,177 --> 00:48:52,012 I don't know what's gonna happen. 796 00:48:54,515 --> 00:48:56,266 Miss you, too. 797 00:49:42,855 --> 00:49:44,230 Yo, taxi! 798 00:49:58,204 --> 00:50:00,246 Jim, I'm in Midtown. 799 00:50:01,082 --> 00:50:02,916 The ticker is... 800 00:50:04,335 --> 00:50:05,960 What the hell am I looking at? 801 00:50:06,045 --> 00:50:08,380 Hank, it's good. 802 00:50:13,052 --> 00:50:15,220 "It is oddly reassuring 803 00:50:15,304 --> 00:50:18,014 "that the Treasury Department and the Federal Reserve 804 00:50:18,099 --> 00:50:19,516 "let Lehman Brothers fail." 805 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,643 Okay, here it is. Here it is. 806 00:50:21,727 --> 00:50:24,020 "Government intervention would have been seen 807 00:50:24,105 --> 00:50:27,774 "as a sign of extreme peril in the global financial system 808 00:50:27,858 --> 00:50:30,694 "or extreme weakness on the part of federal regulators." 809 00:50:30,778 --> 00:50:33,071 The New York fucking Times. 810 00:50:33,155 --> 00:50:36,157 Yeah, and it's not just them. It's everybody. 811 00:50:36,242 --> 00:50:38,618 Thank you, Senator. I appreciate it. 812 00:50:39,995 --> 00:50:42,372 Congress is liking it. 813 00:50:42,456 --> 00:50:44,207 I'm not sure they should be so happy about this, 814 00:50:44,291 --> 00:50:47,377 but they like that we let Lehman go. 815 00:50:47,461 --> 00:50:52,674 You stood strong. You've got brass balls. It's what people need at a time like this. 816 00:50:53,467 --> 00:50:54,759 What is the market doing? 817 00:50:54,844 --> 00:50:58,346 Europe's only down a little. Dow Jones futures only off 3 %. 818 00:50:58,431 --> 00:51:00,432 So you need to build on this at the press conference. 819 00:51:00,516 --> 00:51:03,810 The story is we did everything we could for Lehman. 820 00:51:03,894 --> 00:51:05,562 - We did. - And the takeaway is... 821 00:51:05,646 --> 00:51:07,272 No more bailouts. 822 00:51:08,607 --> 00:51:10,024 Mr. Secretary. 823 00:51:10,109 --> 00:51:11,818 How should we read what happened with Lehman? 824 00:51:12,027 --> 00:51:16,573 Read it as I think it's important to maintain the stability 825 00:51:16,657 --> 00:51:20,243 and orderliness of our financial system, 826 00:51:20,327 --> 00:51:23,788 and, um, the 827 00:51:26,125 --> 00:51:28,585 moral hazard is something I don't take lightly. 828 00:51:28,669 --> 00:51:30,837 - Mr. Paulson. - Mr. Secretary, sir. 829 00:51:30,921 --> 00:51:34,424 How do you see the health of the banking system today? 830 00:51:34,508 --> 00:51:36,092 The way the markets are performing today, 831 00:51:36,177 --> 00:51:38,595 it's a testament to how the financial industry has come together 832 00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:41,473 in an extraordinary set of circumstances. 833 00:51:41,557 --> 00:51:45,769 The American people can remain confident in the soundness and the resilience 834 00:51:45,853 --> 00:51:49,439 of the financial system. Thank you all. 835 00:51:49,523 --> 00:51:52,525 - Mr. Secretary. - Mr. Paulson. 836 00:51:53,152 --> 00:51:54,194 What? 837 00:51:54,278 --> 00:51:57,322 Dow is falling off a cliff. Four hundred points already. 838 00:51:57,406 --> 00:51:59,449 And the credit markets are frozen. 839 00:51:59,533 --> 00:52:02,118 Goldman and Morgan Stanley are getting slammed by withdrawals. 840 00:52:02,203 --> 00:52:04,287 The Lehman thing's killing them. 841 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:10,210 I should talk to the President about how we'll contain the damage. 842 00:52:10,377 --> 00:52:12,837 Before you speak to the President, 843 00:52:13,547 --> 00:52:14,798 we've got another problem. 844 00:52:16,634 --> 00:52:17,967 AIG. 845 00:52:18,302 --> 00:52:22,013 Mr. Geithner is working with AIG on a private-sector solution 846 00:52:22,097 --> 00:52:26,768 and the Secretary is monitoring their progress very carefully. 847 00:52:26,852 --> 00:52:30,855 He's in close contact with the Congressional leadership, most... 848 00:52:30,940 --> 00:52:32,816 White House wants a briefing on AIG. 849 00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:36,277 You're more informed about that than we are. We've got the same information you do. 850 00:52:36,403 --> 00:52:39,322 No, we don't believe that Lehman's bankruptcy 851 00:52:39,406 --> 00:52:41,449 is taking down all of Wall Street. 852 00:52:41,534 --> 00:52:42,826 Okay, but how do you explain... 853 00:52:42,910 --> 00:52:47,914 The AIG situation may have been, you know, exacerbated by the... 854 00:52:47,998 --> 00:52:49,749 And Barney Frank's office. 855 00:52:51,752 --> 00:52:53,628 - Yeah. - A surprise? 856 00:52:54,547 --> 00:52:56,047 No, AIG has been struggling... 857 00:52:56,131 --> 00:52:59,133 Why didn't you guys head off this situation six months ago? 858 00:52:59,510 --> 00:53:03,096 Because the requisite magic wand wasn't available, Doug. 859 00:53:03,347 --> 00:53:06,724 But if we do find one, you will be among the very first to know. 860 00:53:08,435 --> 00:53:10,436 Blankfein on four, urgent. 861 00:53:10,521 --> 00:53:11,938 I have to go. 862 00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:14,232 Hey, Lloyd. 863 00:53:14,316 --> 00:53:16,693 The goddamn British bankruptcy administrator 864 00:53:16,777 --> 00:53:19,112 froze all of Lehman's customer accounts. 865 00:53:19,196 --> 00:53:21,531 You didn't square this with the British before you did it? 866 00:53:21,615 --> 00:53:23,074 Geithner on five. 867 00:53:23,158 --> 00:53:26,703 People are freaking out. They can't get their money. 868 00:53:27,496 --> 00:53:29,539 Not investors, clients. 869 00:53:29,623 --> 00:53:32,166 If customers think their money wasn't safe with Lehman, 870 00:53:32,251 --> 00:53:33,793 they're not gonna trust us either. 871 00:53:33,878 --> 00:53:37,005 No one will do business with us. 872 00:53:37,089 --> 00:53:39,007 You're gonna have to hang on. 873 00:53:39,091 --> 00:53:40,133 Tim. 874 00:53:40,342 --> 00:53:42,886 Dan spoke to Moody's. They're downgrading AIG tonight. 875 00:53:42,970 --> 00:53:46,097 Would have happened anyway, but Lehman put the whole thing into hyperdrive. 876 00:53:46,181 --> 00:53:47,724 How far down are they? 877 00:53:47,808 --> 00:53:49,309 French Finance Minister on six. 878 00:53:49,393 --> 00:53:51,019 They don't know. 879 00:53:52,146 --> 00:53:53,938 We're working on it. 880 00:53:54,982 --> 00:53:56,190 Christine. 881 00:53:56,275 --> 00:53:58,067 How could you let this happen with Lehman? 882 00:53:58,485 --> 00:53:59,736 What on earth were you thinking? 883 00:53:59,820 --> 00:54:02,530 We did everything we could, Christine. 884 00:54:02,615 --> 00:54:06,701 You allowed it to fail, Hank. It was a horrifying mistake. 885 00:54:06,785 --> 00:54:09,287 It is having catastrophic consequences all over Europe. 886 00:54:09,371 --> 00:54:11,915 And AIG would be even worse. 887 00:54:11,999 --> 00:54:15,627 The European banks have tremendous exposure to AIG. 888 00:54:15,836 --> 00:54:18,838 We need assurance you will not fail to act, as you did with Lehman. 889 00:54:18,923 --> 00:54:21,633 It is not just an American problem. 890 00:54:22,843 --> 00:54:24,010 Thank you so much for... 891 00:54:24,345 --> 00:54:25,386 John Mack. 892 00:54:27,181 --> 00:54:28,848 - John. - John, one. 893 00:54:30,809 --> 00:54:33,436 The fallout from Lehman is killing us. 894 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,357 The short-sellers are all over us. We're down 10 % already. 895 00:54:37,441 --> 00:54:39,734 You guys have no idea what's going on out here. 896 00:54:40,986 --> 00:54:42,278 How are your earnings? 897 00:54:42,363 --> 00:54:44,781 Strong. We're gonna announce Friday. 898 00:54:44,865 --> 00:54:45,907 Announce now. 899 00:54:47,952 --> 00:54:49,869 Okay, Lloyd, sorry. 900 00:54:50,204 --> 00:54:53,122 Hank, if depositors see they can't get their assets out of Lehman, 901 00:54:53,207 --> 00:54:57,085 the next step is gonna be a massive pullout from all the investment banks. 902 00:54:57,169 --> 00:54:58,586 Jeff Immelt from GE. 903 00:55:00,172 --> 00:55:02,465 Jesus, what's Immelt calling you for? 904 00:55:02,549 --> 00:55:05,802 I have to go. Jeff. 905 00:55:05,886 --> 00:55:07,595 You gotta know what's going on out here. 906 00:55:08,055 --> 00:55:11,224 We're having trouble funding our day-to-day operations. 907 00:55:11,684 --> 00:55:14,978 Our finance division is infecting the rest of our business. 908 00:55:15,062 --> 00:55:16,562 General Electric? 909 00:55:16,647 --> 00:55:19,983 This thing is spreading way past Wall Street. 910 00:55:20,067 --> 00:55:22,193 I get that nobody wants to touch mortgages, 911 00:55:22,277 --> 00:55:25,822 but we're making planes and engines, light bulbs. 912 00:55:26,490 --> 00:55:28,199 We're a healthy company. 913 00:55:28,283 --> 00:55:30,994 If we can't finance our day-to-day operations, 914 00:55:31,078 --> 00:55:34,330 every business in America's gonna be shutting down. 915 00:55:43,382 --> 00:55:45,633 - Where's AIG? - It closed at $2. 916 00:55:45,718 --> 00:55:49,512 Tim thinks we need to do something big. Ben agrees, and so do I. 917 00:55:49,596 --> 00:55:51,514 What can we do? AIG's not even a bank. 918 00:55:51,598 --> 00:55:56,519 The Fed can lend to non-banks under unusual and exigent circumstances. 919 00:55:56,603 --> 00:55:59,856 We're thinking of taking over 80 % of the company. 920 00:56:02,609 --> 00:56:05,111 Hank, we can't. 921 00:56:05,195 --> 00:56:07,905 This morning we were lecturing the entire country on moral hazard. 922 00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:10,867 AIG has collateral. They have assets. 923 00:56:10,951 --> 00:56:14,412 Lehman didn't. We couldn't lend into a hole. 924 00:56:14,496 --> 00:56:15,955 It's not the same story. 925 00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:17,832 Nobody's gonna care. 926 00:56:17,916 --> 00:56:21,044 It's another bailout with no legislation. 927 00:56:21,128 --> 00:56:23,004 The Hill's gonna go crazy. The country's gonna go crazy. 928 00:56:23,088 --> 00:56:26,841 The plane that we flew in on this morning, leased from AIG. 929 00:56:26,925 --> 00:56:29,093 Construction downtown, AIG. 930 00:56:29,845 --> 00:56:35,099 Life insurance, 81 million policies with a face value of 1.9 trillion, 931 00:56:35,184 --> 00:56:37,894 billions of dollars in teachers' pensions, it's everywhere. 932 00:56:37,978 --> 00:56:40,521 You want too big to fail? Here it is. 933 00:56:41,106 --> 00:56:44,442 You got a better idea? The suggestion box is wide open. 934 00:56:51,992 --> 00:56:53,951 I hate to do this right now, 935 00:56:54,036 --> 00:56:56,329 but I'm gonna have to have a press call first thing, 936 00:56:56,413 --> 00:56:58,331 and I really don't know what I'm gonna tell them. 937 00:56:58,791 --> 00:57:03,836 Tell them Lehman exacerbated AIG. The simultaneous payouts of CDOs 938 00:57:03,921 --> 00:57:06,380 and credit default swaps put catastrophic pressure on... 939 00:57:06,465 --> 00:57:08,049 Go back further. 940 00:57:09,259 --> 00:57:12,136 The global pool of investment capital... 941 00:57:12,221 --> 00:57:15,932 She has to do this in English. Start with the homeowners. 942 00:57:16,016 --> 00:57:18,684 Okay, okay, here's how you explain it. 943 00:57:20,521 --> 00:57:25,900 Wall Street started bundling home loans together, mortgage-backed securities, 944 00:57:26,193 --> 00:57:29,403 and selling slices of those bundles to investors. 945 00:57:29,488 --> 00:57:31,447 And they were making big money, 946 00:57:31,532 --> 00:57:34,117 so they started pushing the lenders, saying, 947 00:57:34,201 --> 00:57:35,785 "Come on, we need more loans." 948 00:57:35,994 --> 00:57:39,413 The lenders had already given loans to borrowers with good credit, 949 00:57:39,498 --> 00:57:42,375 so they go bottom-feeding. They lower their criteria. 950 00:57:42,459 --> 00:57:47,171 Before, you needed a credit score of 620 and a down payment of 20 %. 951 00:57:47,381 --> 00:57:49,966 Now, they'll settle for 500, no money down. 952 00:57:50,050 --> 00:57:52,051 And the buyer, the regular guy on the street, 953 00:57:52,136 --> 00:57:53,928 assumes that the experts know what they're doing. 954 00:57:54,012 --> 00:57:56,597 He's saying to himself, "If the bank's willing to loan me money, 955 00:57:56,682 --> 00:57:58,432 "I must be able to afford it." 956 00:57:58,684 --> 00:58:00,560 So he reaches for the American dream. 957 00:58:00,644 --> 00:58:01,978 He buys that house. 958 00:58:02,062 --> 00:58:05,481 The banks knew securities based on shitbag mortgages were risky. 959 00:58:05,566 --> 00:58:06,816 You'll work on "shitbag." 960 00:58:06,900 --> 00:58:10,403 So to control their downside, the banks started buying a kind of insurance. 961 00:58:10,487 --> 00:58:13,447 If mortgages default, insurance company pays, 962 00:58:13,699 --> 00:58:15,241 default swap. 963 00:58:15,325 --> 00:58:19,537 The banks insure their potential losses to move the risk off their books 964 00:58:19,621 --> 00:58:21,622 so they can invest more, make more money. 965 00:58:21,707 --> 00:58:23,833 And while a lot of companies insured this stuff, 966 00:58:23,917 --> 00:58:27,378 one was dumb enough to take on an almost unbelievable amount of risk. 967 00:58:27,546 --> 00:58:29,797 - AIG. - And you'll work on "dumb." 968 00:58:29,882 --> 00:58:32,049 And when they ask me why they did that? 969 00:58:32,342 --> 00:58:34,385 - Fees. - Hundreds of millions in fees. 970 00:58:34,469 --> 00:58:37,013 AIG figured the housing market would just keep going up, 971 00:58:37,097 --> 00:58:38,431 but then the unexpected happens. 972 00:58:38,515 --> 00:58:40,683 Housing prices go down. 973 00:58:40,767 --> 00:58:42,560 The poor bastard who bought his dream house, 974 00:58:42,644 --> 00:58:44,729 the teaser rate on his mortgage runs out. 975 00:58:44,813 --> 00:58:47,190 His payments go up. He defaults. 976 00:58:47,274 --> 00:58:51,527 Mortgage-backed securities tank. AIG has to pay off the swaps, 977 00:58:51,612 --> 00:58:55,281 all of them, all over the world, at the same time. 978 00:58:55,449 --> 00:58:58,326 AIG can't pay. AIG goes under. 979 00:58:59,328 --> 00:59:03,581 Every bank they insure books massive losses on the same day. 980 00:59:04,958 --> 00:59:06,751 And then they all go under. 981 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,669 It all comes down. 982 00:59:10,672 --> 00:59:12,506 The whole financial system? 983 00:59:18,055 --> 00:59:22,433 And what do I say when they ask me why it wasn't regulated? 984 00:59:23,310 --> 00:59:25,061 No one wanted to. 985 00:59:26,939 --> 00:59:29,315 We were making too much money. 986 00:59:39,743 --> 00:59:43,996 You'll work on "We were making too much money." 987 00:59:56,843 --> 00:59:59,345 Hey, Hank. Um... 988 01:00:02,099 --> 01:00:04,850 These are really mild, but they work. 989 01:00:06,019 --> 01:00:10,856 I know the whole Christian Scientist thing, that you don't take medicine. 990 01:00:12,484 --> 01:00:14,443 But you need to sleep. 991 01:00:17,072 --> 01:00:21,867 - Jim... - Hank, not just for your own sake. Okay? 992 01:00:27,541 --> 01:00:28,833 You don't look so good. 993 01:00:33,588 --> 01:00:38,384 Just minutes ago, CNN has confirmed that the Federal Reserve is negotiating 994 01:00:38,468 --> 01:00:40,970 to rescue insurance giant AIG. 995 01:00:41,054 --> 01:00:45,349 The negotiations could include an $85 billion temporary loan 996 01:00:45,434 --> 01:00:47,643 to stave off AIG's imminent collapse. 997 01:00:47,728 --> 01:00:49,145 This is a blockbuster, folks. 998 01:00:49,229 --> 01:00:51,522 About this time last night, many on Wall Street 999 01:00:51,606 --> 01:00:53,774 were fearing total disaster today. 1000 01:00:53,859 --> 01:00:57,570 So, another federal bailout of another Wall Street giant. 1001 01:00:57,654 --> 01:01:00,448 Again, as we mentioned, big, big financial news. 1002 01:01:00,532 --> 01:01:03,868 And this affects almost everyone out there who has a 401 . 1003 01:01:03,952 --> 01:01:08,331 The news comes about three and a half hours after the stock exchange closed on... 1004 01:01:08,415 --> 01:01:10,082 Motherfucker. 1005 01:01:10,959 --> 01:01:15,296 We wanna go straight right now to Ali Velshi to kind of give us a bottom line on this, Ali. 1006 01:01:15,380 --> 01:01:16,547 And then we're gonna get a lot more in depth... 1007 01:01:16,631 --> 01:01:18,966 AIG securing an 85... 1008 01:01:19,051 --> 01:01:20,968 The credit markets are still frozen solid. 1009 01:01:21,053 --> 01:01:23,471 We keep dumping money into these companies 1010 01:01:23,555 --> 01:01:25,765 so the markets will stabilize, 1011 01:01:26,558 --> 01:01:27,641 and nothing helps. 1012 01:01:27,726 --> 01:01:29,810 We can't keep doing this. 1013 01:01:30,771 --> 01:01:34,940 We rescued Bear with no legislation, AIG with no legislation. 1014 01:01:36,526 --> 01:01:38,778 People think Fannie and Freddie was a bait-and-switch. 1015 01:01:38,862 --> 01:01:42,365 I don't like it any more than you do, but they were exceptional situations. 1016 01:01:42,449 --> 01:01:45,451 This situation demands an endgame 1017 01:01:45,535 --> 01:01:48,913 that does not rely on unilateral action from the Fed. 1018 01:01:48,997 --> 01:01:50,331 This is a democracy. 1019 01:01:50,415 --> 01:01:52,958 We cannot be men behind the curtain pulling the strings. 1020 01:01:53,293 --> 01:01:57,671 We need some kind of an overall solution that heals the entire system. 1021 01:01:57,756 --> 01:01:59,715 And it has to be legitimate. 1022 01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,342 We've been putting off going to Congress. 1023 01:02:01,426 --> 01:02:03,094 It's two months before an election. 1024 01:02:03,178 --> 01:02:08,891 They can't vote yes to a massive bailout of the entire banking system. 1025 01:02:08,975 --> 01:02:10,434 - They'd never get reelected. - Hank... 1026 01:02:10,644 --> 01:02:14,438 We go to Congress, publically state we don't have the firepower 1027 01:02:14,523 --> 01:02:18,567 to control this anymore, and then they say no, 1028 01:02:19,528 --> 01:02:22,988 that is really the nightmare scenario. 1029 01:02:23,532 --> 01:02:26,826 The nightmare scenario's already here, my friend. 1030 01:02:27,744 --> 01:02:29,245 We're in it. 1031 01:03:30,682 --> 01:03:32,057 P. 1032 01:03:43,695 --> 01:03:45,738 You can't put this all on your own shoulders. 1033 01:03:45,822 --> 01:03:47,156 We're running out of options. 1034 01:03:48,742 --> 01:03:51,994 Then you just keep trying. That's what you do. 1035 01:03:52,078 --> 01:03:54,079 Eventually something's gonna work. 1036 01:03:54,164 --> 01:03:56,916 I'm not sure that that is true anymore. 1037 01:03:58,001 --> 01:04:01,587 There's not a bank in the world that has enough money in its vault 1038 01:04:01,671 --> 01:04:05,758 to pay its depositors. It's all built on trust. 1039 01:04:05,842 --> 01:04:11,430 And, Wendy, we are so very close. 1040 01:04:14,726 --> 01:04:18,395 Morgan Stanley, Goldman are an inch away. 1041 01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:24,026 If the other banks stop trusting them, if they pull back on interbank lending, 1042 01:04:24,110 --> 01:04:26,445 it's over in a matter of hours. 1043 01:04:27,113 --> 01:04:31,200 And from there it goes too fast to stop, a run, 1044 01:04:31,284 --> 01:04:36,247 and not just on one bank, I mean on the whole system. 1045 01:04:36,331 --> 01:04:40,376 And average people wondering, "Is my money safe?" 1046 01:04:41,628 --> 01:04:43,963 They start pulling their cash. 1047 01:04:46,132 --> 01:04:50,636 And after that, lines outside the banks, smashed ATMs. 1048 01:04:51,638 --> 01:04:53,472 A couple of weeks, 1049 01:04:54,975 --> 01:04:57,351 there's no milk in the store. 1050 01:04:58,311 --> 01:04:59,520 For the second time this week, 1051 01:04:59,604 --> 01:05:01,564 there was a massive sell-off on Wall Street, 1052 01:05:01,648 --> 01:05:05,025 the Dow Jones Industrial's freefalling some 450 points 1053 01:05:05,110 --> 01:05:09,321 on news of a taxpayer-funded bailout of the AIG insurance company. 1054 01:05:09,406 --> 01:05:11,490 Three of the five investment banks are gone. 1055 01:05:11,575 --> 01:05:13,909 The country's biggest mortgage lender is gone. 1056 01:05:13,994 --> 01:05:16,704 Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, brought under government control. 1057 01:05:16,788 --> 01:05:20,499 The financial system is holding right now, but for how long? 1058 01:05:20,834 --> 01:05:22,960 All the king's horses and all the king's men 1059 01:05:23,044 --> 01:05:25,087 are being brought to bear to keep this thing together. 1060 01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:54,533 - Hi, Tim. - I'm on the Street, Hank, 1061 01:05:54,618 --> 01:05:57,286 and people are just going about their business. 1062 01:05:57,370 --> 01:06:01,081 They have no idea the whole thing is about to fall down. 1063 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,628 We're gonna have to go to Congress. We don't have a choice anymore. 1064 01:06:05,712 --> 01:06:06,837 Okay. 1065 01:06:06,921 --> 01:06:08,464 How fast do you think you can get them to move? 1066 01:06:08,548 --> 01:06:10,716 It's gonna be at least a couple days. 1067 01:06:11,301 --> 01:06:14,178 Goldman and Morgan Stanley are going down now. 1068 01:06:14,262 --> 01:06:15,638 We gotta do something today. 1069 01:06:15,722 --> 01:06:16,847 Like what? 1070 01:06:16,931 --> 01:06:19,475 The market doesn't like investment banks, right? 1071 01:06:19,559 --> 01:06:21,769 The money's saying "fuck you" to the whole business model. 1072 01:06:21,853 --> 01:06:22,895 Yeah. 1073 01:06:22,979 --> 01:06:26,065 Yeah, so merge them with commercial banks, 1074 01:06:26,149 --> 01:06:28,651 turn them into regular banks regulated by the Fed. 1075 01:06:28,735 --> 01:06:30,152 They can use depositors' cash. 1076 01:06:30,236 --> 01:06:31,862 It will give them access to the discount window. 1077 01:06:31,946 --> 01:06:34,990 It's cheap government cash. 1078 01:06:35,075 --> 01:06:37,826 - You wanna make them bigger? - It's a trade-off, Hank. 1079 01:06:37,911 --> 01:06:40,954 The upside is it'll stabilize them. 1080 01:06:42,374 --> 01:06:44,583 The downside is, 1081 01:06:45,585 --> 01:06:48,337 yeah, they'll be really fucking big. 1082 01:06:48,421 --> 01:06:50,005 Do it, Tim. 1083 01:06:52,967 --> 01:06:54,259 Godspeed. 1084 01:07:12,028 --> 01:07:14,196 Uh, get me Blankfein. 1085 01:07:16,116 --> 01:07:18,117 Lloyd, call Vikram Pandit, talk to him about a merger. 1086 01:07:18,201 --> 01:07:20,244 Tim, we're looking at all our options. 1087 01:07:20,370 --> 01:07:23,872 You don't have options, Lloyd. There's a run on your bank. 1088 01:07:23,957 --> 01:07:25,582 You need money. Citi has deposits. 1089 01:07:25,667 --> 01:07:28,335 Citi's a mess, you're organized. Call Pandit. 1090 01:07:37,762 --> 01:07:38,804 Yeah. 1091 01:07:38,888 --> 01:07:40,848 I want you to look at merging with Morgan Stanley. 1092 01:07:40,932 --> 01:07:43,058 What, are you kidding me? I just bought Bear. 1093 01:07:43,143 --> 01:07:44,518 We're still trying to make that work. 1094 01:07:44,602 --> 01:07:46,395 You didn't buy Bear. You got Bear as a Christmas present. 1095 01:07:46,479 --> 01:07:50,649 The market's a fucking disaster, Jamie. Talk to John Mack. 1096 01:07:50,734 --> 01:07:53,610 Hey, Geithner says we should talk about a merger. 1097 01:07:53,695 --> 01:07:55,529 - You wanna do a deal? - No. 1098 01:07:55,613 --> 01:07:57,698 Then why the fuck did he tell me to call you? 1099 01:07:57,782 --> 01:07:59,867 I'm under orders to try and help you. 1100 01:07:59,993 --> 01:08:03,078 You're a prince, Jamie. A real prince. 1101 01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:11,503 Apparently, some people seem to think combining our firms would be a good idea. 1102 01:08:11,713 --> 01:08:14,381 I want you to know I'm flattered by this call. 1103 01:08:14,924 --> 01:08:18,677 Vikram, I'm not trying to flatter you, believe me. 1104 01:08:18,762 --> 01:08:20,262 Geithner's calling. 1105 01:08:20,346 --> 01:08:22,931 Here comes goddamn eHarmony. 1106 01:08:23,016 --> 01:08:24,975 Hey, guess what. Jamie's not interested. 1107 01:08:28,146 --> 01:08:29,271 Do Wachovia. 1108 01:08:29,355 --> 01:08:31,315 They were writing mortgages with their eyes closed. 1109 01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:33,442 Tim, it's a shit sandwich. Forget it. 1110 01:08:39,365 --> 01:08:41,283 I haven't been able to reach you for four hours. 1111 01:08:41,367 --> 01:08:44,787 That is totally fucking unacceptable on a day like today. 1112 01:08:45,038 --> 01:08:48,081 I had to run my team through the Goldman proposal. 1113 01:08:48,166 --> 01:08:49,458 It's not gonna work. 1114 01:08:50,335 --> 01:08:52,878 You passed on Goldman without even talking to me? 1115 01:08:53,046 --> 01:08:55,881 I don't need another trillion dollars on my balance sheet. 1116 01:08:59,677 --> 01:09:03,722 Next time I call, pick up. 1117 01:09:05,350 --> 01:09:06,850 Fucker. 1118 01:09:07,101 --> 01:09:10,479 The problem is the toxic assets. Let's just buy them. 1119 01:09:10,563 --> 01:09:12,397 Ooh. We'll call it Cash for Trash. 1120 01:09:12,565 --> 01:09:15,067 When the market stabilizes, we'll unload them. 1121 01:09:15,151 --> 01:09:17,194 Hopefully, Treasury will get its money back. 1122 01:09:17,278 --> 01:09:19,738 - Is that in the Break the Glass plan? - Basically. 1123 01:09:19,823 --> 01:09:22,741 My copy's missing some pages. Could someone else show me the rest of... 1124 01:09:22,826 --> 01:09:24,493 It's succinct. 1125 01:09:25,203 --> 01:09:27,663 We've got one shot with Congress. 1126 01:09:27,747 --> 01:09:31,291 You want them to write a piece of legislation based on three pages? 1127 01:09:31,376 --> 01:09:32,417 Look, guys, 1128 01:09:32,794 --> 01:09:35,128 buying toxic assets is gonna be a nightmare. 1129 01:09:35,213 --> 01:09:36,505 Nobody knows what the stuff's worth. 1130 01:09:36,589 --> 01:09:39,341 It'll take forever to untangle. These banks are going down now. 1131 01:09:39,425 --> 01:09:40,509 So what do we do? 1132 01:09:40,593 --> 01:09:43,929 You wanna unfreeze credit, right? You want the banks to lend people money? 1133 01:09:44,013 --> 01:09:46,682 - That's the goal. - So give them money to lend. 1134 01:09:49,811 --> 01:09:51,144 Capital injections? 1135 01:09:51,229 --> 01:09:52,271 Dan, come on. 1136 01:09:52,355 --> 01:09:53,856 I can't believe you're pulling out the "N" word. 1137 01:09:53,940 --> 01:09:55,148 I'm not saying nationalize the banks. 1138 01:09:55,233 --> 01:09:58,569 I'm saying isolate the ones that are really in trouble and make an investment. 1139 01:09:58,653 --> 01:10:01,864 - It's un-American. - It's sure un-Republican. 1140 01:10:01,948 --> 01:10:05,200 You'd make the government a stockholder. 1141 01:10:05,285 --> 01:10:08,996 What, do we tell them how to manage themselves, what to buy and sell? 1142 01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,957 Run them like the post office? 'Cause that works like a dream. 1143 01:10:12,041 --> 01:10:15,961 We make it temporary. We make ourselves non-voting stockholders. 1144 01:10:16,170 --> 01:10:19,381 You can't just hand the banks massive piles of cash. 1145 01:10:19,465 --> 01:10:21,049 Nobody's gonna go for it. 1146 01:10:21,134 --> 01:10:25,012 To the Republicans it's nationalization. To the Democrats it's a bailout. 1147 01:10:25,096 --> 01:10:26,680 And the banks are gonna go ballistic. 1148 01:10:26,848 --> 01:10:31,810 Sorry, Dan, not gonna happen. Kudos for out-of-the-box thinking. 1149 01:10:31,895 --> 01:10:35,314 Neel, if we go with your plan to buy the assets, 1150 01:10:35,398 --> 01:10:36,565 how much is it gonna cost? 1151 01:10:36,649 --> 01:10:38,025 It won't work. 1152 01:10:38,109 --> 01:10:41,612 Look, the plan is three pages long, totally vague. 1153 01:10:41,696 --> 01:10:46,074 If buying the assets doesn't work, we'll nationalize the banks for you, okay? 1154 01:10:46,326 --> 01:10:50,120 - How much? - To be safe, maybe a trillion. 1155 01:10:50,830 --> 01:10:53,373 The Congress will never do a trillion, never. 1156 01:10:53,541 --> 01:10:57,044 There's $11 trillion in residential mortgages. 1157 01:10:57,128 --> 01:11:02,424 There's three trillion in commercial mortgages. That's 14 trillion, right? 1158 01:11:02,508 --> 01:11:05,552 You gotta figure about 5 % default rate. 1159 01:11:06,512 --> 01:11:09,139 5 % of 14 trillion is 1160 01:11:10,266 --> 01:11:12,225 $700 billion. 1161 01:11:15,521 --> 01:11:17,773 It's better than a trillion. 1162 01:11:21,444 --> 01:11:24,738 The only way to get this done is to just scare them shitless. 1163 01:11:24,822 --> 01:11:28,033 That should be easy. I'm scared shitless myself. 1164 01:11:41,047 --> 01:11:43,382 Troubled Asset Relief Program? 1165 01:11:43,466 --> 01:11:44,883 TARP, we're calling it. 1166 01:11:44,968 --> 01:11:48,261 This is your draft of the bill? 1167 01:11:48,346 --> 01:11:50,722 Subject to revision, certainly. 1168 01:11:54,018 --> 01:11:56,019 I've only got three pages here. Am I missing something? 1169 01:11:56,646 --> 01:11:58,438 No. 1170 01:11:59,732 --> 01:12:02,609 You're just looking for a big blank check in a hurry. 1171 01:12:02,902 --> 01:12:06,321 It's all for the banks. You don't want a penny 1172 01:12:06,406 --> 01:12:08,615 for the average Joe that's about to lose his house? 1173 01:12:08,700 --> 01:12:10,784 There's not a scrap of oversight built into this, 1174 01:12:10,868 --> 01:12:13,620 not for the banks or for you, for that matter. 1175 01:12:13,705 --> 01:12:18,458 You want us to simply hand over $700 billion and trust you? 1176 01:12:18,543 --> 01:12:20,752 How is it possible you didn't see this coming? 1177 01:12:21,379 --> 01:12:23,463 If you wanna rewind the tape, we can do that. 1178 01:12:23,548 --> 01:12:26,800 But right now, the one thing we don't have is time. 1179 01:12:27,427 --> 01:12:29,511 We need an announcement tonight to calm the market. 1180 01:12:29,595 --> 01:12:31,221 We need legislation next week. 1181 01:12:34,976 --> 01:12:38,770 I spent my entire academic career 1182 01:12:39,772 --> 01:12:42,232 studying the Great Depression. 1183 01:12:44,944 --> 01:12:48,947 The Depression may have started because of a stock market crash, 1184 01:12:49,032 --> 01:12:53,702 but what hit the general economy was a disruption of credit, 1185 01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:58,707 average citizens unable to borrow money to do anything, to buy a home, 1186 01:12:58,791 --> 01:13:01,626 start a business, stock their shelves. 1187 01:13:03,171 --> 01:13:06,339 Credit has the ability to build a modern economy, 1188 01:13:06,466 --> 01:13:11,053 but lack of credit has the power to destroy it, swiftly and absolutely. 1189 01:13:13,139 --> 01:13:19,061 If we do not act boldly and immediately, we will replay the Depression of the 1930s, 1190 01:13:19,145 --> 01:13:23,982 only this time it will be far, far worse. 1191 01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:31,907 We don't do this now, we won't have an economy on Monday. 1192 01:13:40,333 --> 01:13:41,666 Geithner. 1193 01:13:46,672 --> 01:13:48,507 We took the proposal down to Congress. 1194 01:13:48,591 --> 01:13:49,758 Are they gonna go for it? 1195 01:13:49,842 --> 01:13:51,551 They didn't like the fact that it was short. 1196 01:13:52,053 --> 01:13:53,303 I thought concise was a plus. 1197 01:13:53,387 --> 01:13:56,765 They thought it was flimsy or arrogant or something. 1198 01:13:56,849 --> 01:13:59,684 I don't know what they think. They couldn't get past it. 1199 01:13:59,769 --> 01:14:02,104 The market's in a death spiral. They're gonna sink the bill 1200 01:14:02,188 --> 01:14:03,939 because the proposal is too fucking short? 1201 01:14:04,023 --> 01:14:07,567 They're working on it. They're gonna make it longer, 1202 01:14:07,652 --> 01:14:09,528 among other things. 1203 01:14:10,613 --> 01:14:13,949 Look, just tell me you got something. 1204 01:14:16,994 --> 01:14:19,955 No. No, we're nowhere. 1205 01:14:20,039 --> 01:14:21,540 Who's left for Morgan Stanley? 1206 01:14:22,375 --> 01:14:25,794 China Investment Corporation. 1207 01:14:27,547 --> 01:14:29,047 Uh, maybe Mitsubishi. 1208 01:14:29,132 --> 01:14:31,716 No, the Japanese will never do this deal. 1209 01:14:32,176 --> 01:14:33,301 How about Goldman? 1210 01:14:33,469 --> 01:14:36,138 Goldman's looking at Wachovia, but they're so fucked, 1211 01:14:36,222 --> 01:14:38,640 even John Mack turned up his nose. 1212 01:14:41,435 --> 01:14:42,936 You gotta get that bill passed. 1213 01:14:43,020 --> 01:14:47,566 - I'm pushing. - Well, push harder. Please. 1214 01:14:50,653 --> 01:14:53,280 This isn't working, Hank. 1215 01:15:07,670 --> 01:15:09,254 Hank? 1216 01:15:09,380 --> 01:15:11,506 Could you excuse me a moment? 1217 01:15:33,154 --> 01:15:37,866 Oh, my God. Gao, Gao. 1218 01:15:37,950 --> 01:15:41,411 I am so sorry about this. There's nothing we can do. 1219 01:15:41,495 --> 01:15:45,332 It's New York, you know. We're lucky we can still buy a beer at Yankee Stadium. 1220 01:15:45,416 --> 01:15:48,168 Don't worry about it. I should quit anyway. 1221 01:15:48,586 --> 01:15:50,962 When you're ready, we'll be inside. 1222 01:15:54,383 --> 01:15:56,051 Is there any movement there? 1223 01:15:56,135 --> 01:16:00,639 They made an extremely low opening offer. I pretended I didn't hear it. 1224 01:16:00,806 --> 01:16:04,976 The markets can't open Monday without a resolution of Morgan Stanley. 1225 01:16:05,144 --> 01:16:07,479 We really need you to do a deal. 1226 01:16:07,647 --> 01:16:09,898 - You need to call Jamie. - I called Jamie. 1227 01:16:09,982 --> 01:16:12,150 He doesn't want us. There's too much overlap. 1228 01:16:12,235 --> 01:16:13,568 We've spoken to him. He'll do it. 1229 01:16:13,778 --> 01:16:16,529 For what, a dollar? Why would I do that? 1230 01:16:16,614 --> 01:16:19,658 I got China Investment and Mitsubishi kicking my tires. 1231 01:16:19,867 --> 01:16:23,203 I know those guys. They're not gonna close a deal in time. 1232 01:16:23,412 --> 01:16:26,414 We want you to call Jamie. 1233 01:16:26,499 --> 01:16:28,625 Let me ask you a question. 1234 01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:33,505 35,000 jobs just disappeared in this city between AIG, Lehman and Bear. 1235 01:16:33,589 --> 01:16:38,176 We make a deal with Jamie, he'll fire 20,000 Morgan Stanley employees. 1236 01:16:38,261 --> 01:16:40,178 You think that's good public policy? 1237 01:16:40,346 --> 01:16:43,682 John, we are looking at the whole system here. 1238 01:16:43,849 --> 01:16:45,350 The Chinese are leaving. 1239 01:16:45,434 --> 01:16:47,185 Gao found out we're also talking to Mitsubishi. 1240 01:16:47,270 --> 01:16:48,937 I gotta go. 1241 01:16:49,021 --> 01:16:52,607 All right, get me Kuroyanagi and a Japanese translator. 1242 01:16:52,692 --> 01:16:54,567 We're closing with Mitsubishi tonight. 1243 01:16:54,652 --> 01:16:55,986 Tim Geithner's calling again. 1244 01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:58,738 Cover your ears. 1245 01:16:58,823 --> 01:17:02,534 You tell Tim Geithner to fucking blow me. I'm trying to save my company. 1246 01:17:05,329 --> 01:17:08,206 Put him on the schedule, but make sure it's after lunch, 1247 01:17:08,291 --> 01:17:11,042 because that way I can fit Madeline in beforehand. And... 1248 01:17:12,169 --> 01:17:14,879 Morgan just made a deal with Mitsubishi. 1249 01:17:15,256 --> 01:17:18,842 So we're the only bank with our dick still in the wind. 1250 01:17:19,260 --> 01:17:21,720 I'm calling Buffett again. 1251 01:17:26,434 --> 01:17:28,810 Grandpa, they keep calling. What if it's important? 1252 01:17:29,061 --> 01:17:31,104 They always think it's important. 1253 01:17:34,608 --> 01:17:37,402 All right, I'll make it fast. 1254 01:17:38,571 --> 01:17:40,488 Warren, thanks for calling back. How are you? 1255 01:17:40,573 --> 01:17:44,242 Just fine, Lloyd. What can I do for you today? 1256 01:17:44,410 --> 01:17:46,911 I'd like to talk to you about taking a stake in Goldman Sachs. 1257 01:17:46,996 --> 01:17:49,581 What do you have in mind? Sounds expensive. 1258 01:17:50,458 --> 01:17:51,875 Maybe not. 1259 01:17:54,003 --> 01:17:56,713 You better have good news, 1260 01:17:56,797 --> 01:18:00,592 because I might be dead before we finish haggling over TARP. 1261 01:18:01,218 --> 01:18:04,137 Buffett's throwing five billion into Goldman. 1262 01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,558 We're off the ledge. 1263 01:18:09,226 --> 01:18:11,227 For the moment. 1264 01:18:11,395 --> 01:18:13,855 The October surprise arrived a little early, 1265 01:18:13,939 --> 01:18:16,608 with a game-changing jolt to the White House race. 1266 01:18:17,276 --> 01:18:20,987 Call it a master stroke or a desperate Hail Mary pass, 1267 01:18:21,072 --> 01:18:24,157 McCain announced he would suspend his campaign 1268 01:18:24,241 --> 01:18:27,369 and asked for this Friday's debate to be postponed 1269 01:18:27,453 --> 01:18:30,330 so he can return to Washington to focus on the economic crisis. 1270 01:18:30,414 --> 01:18:36,378 Now is our chance to come together to prove that Washington is once again 1271 01:18:36,962 --> 01:18:39,464 capable of leading this country. 1272 01:18:39,548 --> 01:18:42,300 Thank God he came back. 1273 01:18:42,635 --> 01:18:46,596 Like Daniel Day-Lewis in Last of the Mohicans, 1274 01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:49,057 he will find us! 1275 01:18:51,435 --> 01:18:53,311 - They're blowing it up. - What happened? 1276 01:18:53,396 --> 01:18:56,481 McCain wanted to swoop in and save the day, but doesn't have any idea how to do it. 1277 01:18:56,565 --> 01:19:00,693 It's a 100-page piece of legislation we've been carefully negotiating for days. 1278 01:19:00,778 --> 01:19:02,904 What, did he think they were gonna sit around and spitball? 1279 01:19:02,988 --> 01:19:04,823 Yeah, when McCain got here 1280 01:19:04,907 --> 01:19:08,535 and found out that the deal was basically done, he went apeshit. 1281 01:19:08,619 --> 01:19:11,913 The Republicans fell in behind their guy. They wanna start all over again. 1282 01:19:11,997 --> 01:19:13,915 Democrats flipped out. Republicans dug in. 1283 01:19:14,333 --> 01:19:16,251 - Clusterfuck. - Clusterfuck. 1284 01:19:16,836 --> 01:19:19,587 - Where's Hank? - Still talking to McCain. 1285 01:19:20,047 --> 01:19:22,340 If you or anyone else does anything 1286 01:19:22,425 --> 01:19:26,428 that causes the next depression, it is not gonna be on me. 1287 01:19:26,512 --> 01:19:27,762 I have a big mouth, Senator, 1288 01:19:27,847 --> 01:19:29,389 - a very big mouth. - Hold on... 1289 01:19:29,473 --> 01:19:34,352 He's not threatening the Republican presidential nominee, is he? 1290 01:19:34,437 --> 01:19:37,439 - Something's gotta be done. - No, no. Excuse me, please. 1291 01:19:37,523 --> 01:19:38,857 Where are the Democrats? 1292 01:19:38,941 --> 01:19:40,692 They're right down this way. 1293 01:19:40,776 --> 01:19:42,193 - Is Nancy there? - Yes. Yes, she is. 1294 01:19:42,278 --> 01:19:43,403 Thank you. 1295 01:19:51,745 --> 01:19:53,079 Nancy... 1296 01:19:57,418 --> 01:20:01,087 Oh, gee, Hank. I didn't know you were Catholic. 1297 01:20:02,923 --> 01:20:05,300 I beg of you, don't blow this up. It was a bad meeting, 1298 01:20:05,384 --> 01:20:07,051 but we need to get together on this. 1299 01:20:07,136 --> 01:20:08,970 We're not the ones trying to blow it up. 1300 01:20:09,054 --> 01:20:11,264 I just ask you to stay with us. 1301 01:20:13,726 --> 01:20:15,185 Please. 1302 01:20:16,770 --> 01:20:20,231 The House began debating the rescue bill at 9:27 this morning. 1303 01:20:20,316 --> 01:20:22,942 At about 1:28 p.m., Congress did finally act. 1304 01:20:23,027 --> 01:20:25,445 - This is a squeaker of a vote. - We are down to it right now. 1305 01:20:25,529 --> 01:20:27,489 It looks like the Democrats delivered their caucus 1306 01:20:27,573 --> 01:20:29,824 and the Republicans so far have not. 1307 01:20:29,909 --> 01:20:32,118 What do you think they could do to change the bill 1308 01:20:32,203 --> 01:20:33,995 to get a few Republican votes over to the other side? 1309 01:20:34,079 --> 01:20:35,538 If they hang Wall Street CEOs, 1310 01:20:35,623 --> 01:20:37,207 I think that would get a few more votes. 1311 01:20:37,291 --> 01:20:40,668 I'm not sure what they could do exactly. 1312 01:20:40,753 --> 01:20:44,589 It is possible that the leadership of the Congress would conclude 1313 01:20:44,673 --> 01:20:47,342 that there's nothing that can get a majority of support 1314 01:20:47,426 --> 01:20:50,428 and see what Hank Paulson can do and the administration can do. 1315 01:20:52,348 --> 01:20:53,932 Leaders are negotiating right now 1316 01:20:54,016 --> 01:20:56,351 who risks their seat. And that's what I'm hearing. 1317 01:20:56,435 --> 01:20:58,186 Pelosi wouldn't have brought the bill to the floor 1318 01:20:58,270 --> 01:20:59,354 if she didn't think it would pass. 1319 01:20:59,438 --> 01:21:01,856 I don't know the answer to that, Charlie. I can't answer. 1320 01:21:01,941 --> 01:21:03,066 I'm just reading an e-mail that's coming to me. 1321 01:21:03,150 --> 01:21:06,110 I think the bottom line is they gotta go back to the drawing board. 1322 01:21:06,195 --> 01:21:07,779 Do they have the time, though, to do that? 1323 01:21:07,863 --> 01:21:09,364 Look at the Dow Jones Industrial Average. 1324 01:21:09,448 --> 01:21:11,157 You know you're gonna get a sell-off. 1325 01:21:11,242 --> 01:21:14,160 You guys, at this point, we just gotta hold on to the sides of the kayak 1326 01:21:14,245 --> 01:21:15,286 and ride through this because... 1327 01:21:15,371 --> 01:21:17,247 They didn't pass it. 1328 01:21:17,331 --> 01:21:20,291 - They did not pass it. - It just wasn't enough. 1329 01:21:21,585 --> 01:21:24,587 They're gonna end up being nine votes short, Bill. 1330 01:21:24,672 --> 01:21:25,713 Say that again, Steve. 1331 01:21:25,798 --> 01:21:27,715 I think they're gonna end up being nine votes... 1332 01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:29,592 If they get all six... Five of the remaining votes, 1333 01:21:29,677 --> 01:21:33,304 they'll be 10 votes short now, if they get all five remaining. 1334 01:21:33,389 --> 01:21:35,473 The writing is on the wall there. 1335 01:21:35,558 --> 01:21:36,849 And we're here down on the floor. 1336 01:21:36,934 --> 01:21:38,226 Of course, traders have been standing around. 1337 01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:39,936 Look, we're all here in knots... 1338 01:21:44,483 --> 01:21:47,485 The networks are waiting for you in the press room. 1339 01:21:48,362 --> 01:21:49,946 I can't even... 1340 01:22:02,835 --> 01:22:04,335 We have to go back again. 1341 01:22:05,254 --> 01:22:06,838 They don't get to say no on this. 1342 01:22:08,257 --> 01:22:09,465 Okay. 1343 01:22:09,550 --> 01:22:10,633 The White House wants a meeting. 1344 01:22:10,718 --> 01:22:12,635 Good. We'll come up with a new strategy. 1345 01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:15,263 The White House has to push harder on the Hill. 1346 01:22:15,347 --> 01:22:17,765 Meanwhile, we need to keep working on what we do with the money. 1347 01:22:17,850 --> 01:22:19,100 Let's act like this is gonna work. 1348 01:22:19,184 --> 01:22:20,935 In that case, let's talk about cash injections. 1349 01:22:21,020 --> 01:22:23,146 - Here we go again. - We can't nationalize the banks. 1350 01:22:23,230 --> 01:22:24,272 It's not nationalizing... 1351 01:22:24,356 --> 01:22:26,107 That's how Japan got itself a decade-long recession. 1352 01:22:26,191 --> 01:22:27,191 Is that where we wanna go? 1353 01:22:29,695 --> 01:22:30,820 What else do we have? 1354 01:22:30,946 --> 01:22:32,030 Cash for Trash. 1355 01:22:32,114 --> 01:22:35,116 Buying toxic assets is still our go-to move. 1356 01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:37,785 All right. Find a way to simplify it. 1357 01:22:38,662 --> 01:22:41,456 Dan, work something up. 1358 01:22:41,540 --> 01:22:45,251 For discussion purposes, let's see what it would look like. 1359 01:22:55,554 --> 01:22:58,306 For those who supported the $700 billion Wall Street bailout, 1360 01:22:58,390 --> 01:23:00,516 it was a surprising and stunning failure 1361 01:23:00,601 --> 01:23:02,894 when the House of Representatives voted to reject it. 1362 01:23:03,020 --> 01:23:05,480 It's a stinging defeat for President Bush, 1363 01:23:05,564 --> 01:23:08,232 delivered at the hands of his fellow Republicans. 1364 01:23:08,817 --> 01:23:13,154 We put forth a plan that was big because we've got a big problem. 1365 01:23:13,405 --> 01:23:17,241 The reality is that we're in an urgent situation. 1366 01:23:17,326 --> 01:23:20,495 And the consequences will grow worse each day 1367 01:23:20,579 --> 01:23:21,996 if we do not act. 1368 01:23:22,081 --> 01:23:24,415 - I know. I keep telling... - Draft of the new bill. 1369 01:23:25,250 --> 01:23:26,626 Are they having any luck with it? 1370 01:23:26,710 --> 01:23:28,461 The White House thinks they got a better shot of pushing it 1371 01:23:28,545 --> 01:23:31,506 through the Senate side first. Hopefully they're right. 1372 01:23:31,590 --> 01:23:33,383 They asked us to back off and let them handle it. 1373 01:23:33,467 --> 01:23:36,511 So I'm trying to back off. 1374 01:23:42,434 --> 01:23:44,435 Buying toxic assets isn't gonna work. 1375 01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:47,730 - Why not? - It's too slow. 1376 01:23:47,815 --> 01:23:48,856 I think I've been saying that. 1377 01:23:48,941 --> 01:23:51,192 Well, we knew it was complicated, but how slow... 1378 01:23:51,276 --> 01:23:53,277 Two months, maybe more. 1379 01:23:54,196 --> 01:23:55,947 How is it possible we didn't know how... 1380 01:23:56,031 --> 01:23:58,950 I didn't ask how long it would take, okay? 1381 01:24:00,452 --> 01:24:02,120 Can we move on? 1382 01:24:02,788 --> 01:24:06,082 So maybe we can talk about capital injections. 1383 01:24:06,166 --> 01:24:07,834 Dan, we really can't. 1384 01:24:07,918 --> 01:24:10,128 I think we're gonna have to. 1385 01:24:10,212 --> 01:24:16,134 Even if Neel could expedite the process, which seems unlikely, 1386 01:24:16,719 --> 01:24:20,847 the system is crumbling. The banks need money now. 1387 01:24:20,931 --> 01:24:24,392 If cash injections are the most efficient way to stabilize them, 1388 01:24:24,476 --> 01:24:27,562 then we can't back off 1389 01:24:27,646 --> 01:24:32,400 because we're uncomfortable being the men who nationalized a few American banks. 1390 01:24:32,484 --> 01:24:33,818 It's faster, that's for sure. 1391 01:24:33,902 --> 01:24:37,947 It will push us back off the precipice, yes, unfreeze the system. 1392 01:24:39,658 --> 01:24:44,287 We give them some money and they lend it out. 1393 01:24:49,293 --> 01:24:50,460 The motion is adopted. 1394 01:24:50,544 --> 01:24:53,087 After rejecting the Bush Administration's TARP plan 1395 01:24:53,172 --> 01:24:56,007 only four days ago, the House passed it today. 1396 01:24:56,091 --> 01:24:59,385 The big question now, whether investors will take comfort in the news. 1397 01:24:59,470 --> 01:25:03,055 Current indicators show the stock market is continuing its free fall. 1398 01:25:22,868 --> 01:25:24,160 Hello? 1399 01:25:24,244 --> 01:25:26,537 Warren, it's Hank. 1400 01:25:27,206 --> 01:25:29,832 I'm sorry. It's late. 1401 01:25:31,001 --> 01:25:32,376 Am I waking you? 1402 01:25:32,461 --> 01:25:33,961 No, not at all. 1403 01:25:35,005 --> 01:25:37,089 Can I pick your brain for a minute? 1404 01:25:37,174 --> 01:25:39,383 Sure. What's the problem? 1405 01:25:40,302 --> 01:25:45,473 How do you get a healthy bank to accept a capital injection? 1406 01:26:39,945 --> 01:26:42,780 I had to drag my ass all the way here from California. 1407 01:26:42,865 --> 01:26:44,323 They wouldn't even tell me why. 1408 01:26:44,867 --> 01:26:46,117 Nobody knows what this is about? 1409 01:26:46,952 --> 01:26:48,327 Nope. 1410 01:26:53,834 --> 01:26:55,251 Talk to Jamie? 1411 01:26:55,335 --> 01:26:57,461 Yep. He'll be fine. 1412 01:26:58,005 --> 01:26:59,380 Did you tell him what was coming? 1413 01:26:59,464 --> 01:27:01,549 Uh, did I tell him we're about to make him swallow 1414 01:27:01,633 --> 01:27:04,510 a capital injection he doesn't need? No. 1415 01:27:05,679 --> 01:27:08,264 I, uh... I told him we need his help 1416 01:27:08,348 --> 01:27:10,808 and I asked him very politely not to fuck with us today. 1417 01:27:12,477 --> 01:27:13,561 He got it. 1418 01:27:15,898 --> 01:27:16,981 She's here. 1419 01:27:22,613 --> 01:27:25,865 Gentlemen. We think this is gonna work? 1420 01:27:25,949 --> 01:27:28,075 Oh, yeah. They're gonna love it. 1421 01:27:50,724 --> 01:27:54,435 We are of the view that the United States needs 1422 01:27:54,519 --> 01:27:57,647 to take strong, decisive action 1423 01:27:59,232 --> 01:28:02,318 to arrest the stress in our financial system. 1424 01:28:03,946 --> 01:28:06,530 Through our new TARP authority, 1425 01:28:07,032 --> 01:28:11,369 Treasury will purchase preferred stock 1426 01:28:12,537 --> 01:28:14,830 in each of the banks represented in this room. 1427 01:28:17,376 --> 01:28:19,919 That stock will yield 5 % the first five years, 1428 01:28:20,003 --> 01:28:21,504 9 % after that. 1429 01:28:22,923 --> 01:28:25,633 We give you money. You lend it out. 1430 01:28:25,717 --> 01:28:30,262 It will unfreeze credit, stabilize the banks, restore confidence. 1431 01:28:31,223 --> 01:28:34,934 Everyone will be better off with more capital in the system. 1432 01:28:35,018 --> 01:28:38,396 And that is why all nine of you 1433 01:28:41,191 --> 01:28:43,567 will participate in the program. 1434 01:28:47,406 --> 01:28:48,906 Some of us don't need any capital. 1435 01:28:49,074 --> 01:28:50,908 You all need capital. 1436 01:28:51,576 --> 01:28:53,995 You have no idea what the market's gonna look like in a year. 1437 01:28:54,121 --> 01:28:55,788 Neither do you. 1438 01:28:56,915 --> 01:29:00,167 I'm not one of you New York guys with your fancy products. 1439 01:29:00,252 --> 01:29:03,295 Why am I in this room talking about bailing you out? 1440 01:29:03,380 --> 01:29:06,674 The stronger banks will serve as cover for the weaker banks. 1441 01:29:06,758 --> 01:29:09,343 If just some of you take it, the money's a signal 1442 01:29:09,428 --> 01:29:12,430 that a bank is too weak to survive. The market will devour it. 1443 01:29:13,724 --> 01:29:15,141 How much are we talking about? 1444 01:29:15,225 --> 01:29:16,892 A hundred and twenty-five billion. 1445 01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:22,189 Bank of America, 15 billion. 1446 01:29:22,274 --> 01:29:24,900 Bank of New York Mellon, three billion. 1447 01:29:25,694 --> 01:29:28,112 Citigroup, 25 billion. 1448 01:29:28,947 --> 01:29:31,449 Goldman Sachs, 10 billion. 1449 01:29:31,950 --> 01:29:34,160 JPMorgan, 25 billion. 1450 01:29:34,828 --> 01:29:36,954 Merrill Lynch, 10 billion. 1451 01:29:37,581 --> 01:29:39,707 Morgan Stanley, 10 billion. 1452 01:29:40,250 --> 01:29:42,293 State Street, two billion. 1453 01:29:42,919 --> 01:29:45,254 Wells Fargo, 25 billion. 1454 01:29:51,303 --> 01:29:54,847 What happened to buying toxic assets? 1455 01:29:55,307 --> 01:29:57,767 - Wasn't that the idea? - It's too slow. 1456 01:29:57,976 --> 01:29:59,852 It'll be dead before we sort it out. 1457 01:29:59,978 --> 01:30:03,355 So, we're just handing the reins over to you? 1458 01:30:03,482 --> 01:30:05,399 The deal's actually pretty good. 1459 01:30:05,484 --> 01:30:07,735 You turn your nose up at this now and we have to rescue you later, 1460 01:30:07,819 --> 01:30:09,445 the terms won't be nearly as attractive. 1461 01:30:09,654 --> 01:30:12,114 It's cheap capital. It's not the worst idea in the world. 1462 01:30:12,324 --> 01:30:14,158 It is for those of us who already have capital. 1463 01:30:14,242 --> 01:30:18,662 We will be non-voting shareholders. This will be a temporary measure. 1464 01:30:21,541 --> 01:30:23,375 What if we decline to be involved? 1465 01:30:24,252 --> 01:30:27,004 The Chairman of the FDIC is sitting right there. 1466 01:30:27,672 --> 01:30:28,672 Tomorrow you'll find out 1467 01:30:28,757 --> 01:30:31,008 that you're not as well capitalized as you think you are. 1468 01:30:31,176 --> 01:30:33,219 What kind of protections can you offer on changes 1469 01:30:33,303 --> 01:30:34,595 for compensation policy? 1470 01:30:34,679 --> 01:30:38,265 I mean, if the government is going to become a part-owner, 1471 01:30:38,350 --> 01:30:42,186 does that mean that the government is going to dictate compensation? 1472 01:30:42,270 --> 01:30:44,355 Are you asking me about your bonus right now, John? 1473 01:30:44,481 --> 01:30:46,524 I'm running a company. 1474 01:30:47,192 --> 01:30:51,112 If the Fed tells me I can't offer competitive pay for talent, 1475 01:30:51,196 --> 01:30:54,365 you're gonna launch the biggest brain drain this country's ever seen. 1476 01:30:54,449 --> 01:30:56,117 Is that the way you wanna run the banks? 1477 01:30:56,201 --> 01:30:58,577 Until the money is repaid to the Treasury, 1478 01:30:58,662 --> 01:31:01,664 there will be some limitations on tax deductions and golden parachutes. 1479 01:31:01,748 --> 01:31:03,582 - Well, there you go. - I don't really understand 1480 01:31:03,667 --> 01:31:06,919 why there needs to be so much tension about this. 1481 01:31:07,212 --> 01:31:10,840 The country is facing the worst economy since the Great Depression. 1482 01:31:10,924 --> 01:31:16,137 If the financial system collapses, it will take every one of you down. 1483 01:31:24,688 --> 01:31:26,397 Give me the papers. 1484 01:31:34,239 --> 01:31:35,573 - You can't just sign it. - Oh, no? 1485 01:31:35,657 --> 01:31:39,243 - Not without your board. - My board's on 24-hour notice. 1486 01:31:39,327 --> 01:31:41,704 I think they'll go along with it. 1487 01:31:41,788 --> 01:31:45,457 And if they don't, they'll fire me. 1488 01:31:52,090 --> 01:31:53,674 Anyone else? 1489 01:31:59,723 --> 01:32:01,599 Are they gonna do it? 1490 01:32:02,434 --> 01:32:05,102 They're calling their boards. 1491 01:32:05,187 --> 01:32:07,354 - That's a good sign. - If they do go along with this, 1492 01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:09,690 we should announce something alongside the injections, uh, 1493 01:32:09,774 --> 01:32:13,027 maybe a program to buy up mortgages. 1494 01:32:13,111 --> 01:32:14,695 I'm not rushing out some half-assed plan 1495 01:32:14,779 --> 01:32:16,572 just to make it look like we're doing something. 1496 01:32:16,656 --> 01:32:20,075 Maybe we just beef up the restrictions on how they spend the money, 1497 01:32:21,912 --> 01:32:23,662 something to take the stink off. 1498 01:32:23,747 --> 01:32:26,165 Put more restrictions on it, they won't take it. 1499 01:32:31,504 --> 01:32:33,714 One thing too many for today. 1500 01:32:35,800 --> 01:32:39,053 They almost bring down the US economy as we know it, 1501 01:32:39,137 --> 01:32:41,555 but we can't put restrictions on how they spend 1502 01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:44,808 the $125 billion we're giving them 1503 01:32:44,893 --> 01:32:48,145 because they might not take it. 1504 01:33:20,637 --> 01:33:22,137 What's this? 1505 01:33:23,598 --> 01:33:25,224 That is, um, 1506 01:33:26,851 --> 01:33:28,686 a poison dart frog. 1507 01:33:29,437 --> 01:33:32,523 Wendy took it in Guyana. 1508 01:33:45,787 --> 01:33:47,329 Is this yours? 1509 01:33:52,961 --> 01:33:54,670 Al Capone's. 1510 01:33:57,007 --> 01:33:58,382 Eight out of nine are in. 1511 01:33:58,466 --> 01:34:01,010 - B of A is still waiting on its board, but... - It's gonna go through. 1512 01:34:03,805 --> 01:34:05,556 I'll call the Speaker's office. 1513 01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:08,517 And, uh, we're gonna get you on the phone with the President. 1514 01:34:08,768 --> 01:34:10,352 Okay. 1515 01:34:14,274 --> 01:34:19,486 Dow is up 900 points just because we were meeting. 1516 01:34:22,282 --> 01:34:24,408 Well, that's good. 1517 01:34:26,036 --> 01:34:27,911 That's good. 1518 01:34:29,039 --> 01:34:31,081 It was the right thing. 1519 01:34:32,417 --> 01:34:34,001 Absolutely. 1520 01:34:34,127 --> 01:34:36,045 I was prepared for more blowback. 1521 01:34:37,714 --> 01:34:41,508 They didn't have a choice. They knew that. 1522 01:34:43,428 --> 01:34:46,513 Well, I certainly hope that they... 1523 01:34:47,849 --> 01:34:48,891 What? 1524 01:34:51,311 --> 01:34:55,064 I hope they use the money the way we're asking them to. 1525 01:34:55,482 --> 01:34:59,818 They will lend it out, won't they? 1526 01:35:02,030 --> 01:35:17,795 Of course they will. 126503

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