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[Lorie Howard] Larry Hall, he comes across as being very ordinary,

almost seems somewhat child-like at times.

He doesn't look like a monster,

but make no mistake about it, he's a monster.

He talked about the most horrific and gruesome things

that one person can do to another human being,

and didn't see the need to apologize at all,

or show any type of regret...

and that's scary.

[theme music playing]

Welcome to Very Scary People.

I'm Donnie Wahlberg.

Masquerading behind the false front of an ordinary man

lived a brutal killer, a stealth predator,

creeping along the barren back roads of central Indiana,

targeting young women to kidnap and kill.

He buried victims' bodies so they'd never be found.

But can this cold-hearted monster be made to reveal

where he hid at least one of them?

A risky plan is launched to find Tricia Reitler's remains

and grant her parents' wish to return her to her family.

This is part two of "The Twin."

[male reporter] Tricia Reitler took a walk off campus

and never came back to Indiana Wesleyan University.

We've got a missing college student in Indiana.

You look behind every bush.

If there's a dog house, you look in the dog house.

If there's a trash can, you look in the trash can.

Not knowing what happened,

where she is, it's a nightmare.

[male reporter] Some of her clothing was found two days later

with a small amount of blood.

Investigators believe Reitler was abducted,

but by whom, where and why?

Some kind of violent altercation occurred.

[Casey Jordan] She would've been overpowered.

She was subdued and taken to a different location

where she was most likely assaulted and killed.

[Donna Reitler] She's not just a story,

she's not just a case.

She's our... Our daughter.

She's gone, and...

our lives will never be okay.

[female narrator] In September of 1993,

a 15-year-old named Jessica Roach

was out just riding her priced mountain bike

along a rural road.

I picked up a lot of dust going past her,

but I slowed way down, so she pulled off,

stood there, watched me drive by.

waved... Real smiley and waved.

But on her drive home, she sees

Jessica's bike abandoned in the middle of the road.

Oh, my God, she's gone!

[Gary Miller] We do not have a runaway,

we don't have just a missing person.

There was foul play.

Two months later, across the state lines in Indiana...

A farmer was shearing through his corn field,

and he looked down and saw a dark object between the rows of corn.

[Jordan] He's absolutely horrified to discover a dead body.

[Joni Johnston] The medical examiner was able to take one fingerprint.

This was, in fact, Jessica Roach.

[Miller] There were indications in the neck area

of some type of strangulation.

[Johnston] The fact that her body is found across state lines,

several miles away,

adds to the mystery.

Who would do this?

[Jordan] A few months after Jessica Roach's body was found,

two other teenage girls,

also from Georgetown, Illinois,

reported that a man in a van had been stalking them.

We were riding our bikes,

and just appeared this loud van.

He slowed down and, like, stared at us.

He's definitely following us.

And we just took off.

[Kaylen Hoskins] We didn't know what he was gonna do.

All I could see was his headlights

because he was right... Right there behind us.

We cut down an alley where his van was not going to be able to fit through.

Riding as fast as we could to get back to her house.

It's the most terrifying thing that's ever happened to me in my life,

and I'll never forget his face.

I just remember seeing like, bushy...

-Weird hair and stuff down the sides. -Cheek hair.

[Kaylen Hoskins] Yeah.

In March of 1994,

two more teenage girls report being stalked by a man in a van.

They've got his license plate number.

And they identified the registered owner as Larry Hall.

Larry never came across that way, as being a predator.

[Ron Woodward] I've known him since he was in junior high school.

He was kind of a loner, was very quiet.

Stayed to himself.

[Gary Hall] He had a really bad acne problem in school

and he was made fun of a lot in school.

He didn't know how to approach a woman.

He didn't know how to talk to a woman.

One instance that I noticed between Larry and Gary

and women was...

Saturday night, we were walking around the town,

Gary had split off from Larry and I

and then, suddenly,

Gary comes back with two women.

Larry and I looked at each other and said "No, oh, no. No."

But that, to me, gave me an impression that Gary was more

apt to approach women than his brother Larry.

[Jordan] In November of 1994,

the lead detective Gary Miller goes to Indiana to interview Larry Hall.

Detective Miller is investigating

whether or not Hall was involved

in the murder of Jessica Roach.

I had a picture, it was a school picture of Jessica Roach.

[Jordan] And he presents the photo to Larry Hall.

[Miller] And Larry meekly just, uh...

Just flinched to the right and turned his head,

and then he said, "No," but he would not look at the picture.

And ten days later, he sits down with him again.

Larry Hall confessed

to the murder of Jessica Roach.

[female reporter] Hall told authorities,

Jessica was crying and asking for her mother,

and that made him angry.

He says he then leaned Jessica up against a tree,

told her he was going to let her go.

Then went behind her and strangled her.

But Larry's confession continued beyond Jessica Roach.

[John Miller] And they're starting to realize,

"This is way bigger than we thought."

He admitted to the Tricia Reitler murder.

"In late March of '93, I was over in Marion Indiana.

I needed to be with somebody.

I do remember she tried to run away.

I had a knife to scare her.

I put her in the van.

I recall being on a canvas in the woods having sex.

I sat her up against a tree

and put a belt around her neck."

And he confesses to killing a couple of other people that he doesn't name.

[Hillel Levin] "I went to Anderson, Indiana,

and exactly the same thing happened.

I picked up this girl, it was in Indianapolis,

I picked up several girls in other areas.

All the girls looked alike.

I cannot remember all of them."

[Belinda Stack] After learning that he had a twin brother,

I've often wondered

if his brother wasn't as crazy as he is.

I've often wondered if he didn't help Larry.

There is a huge question mark in terms of his brother Gary

and whether he was involved or not.

[inaudible]

Two young girls were attacked and murdered

before Larry Hall was ultimately brought in,

questioned and confessed.

I arrested him after the interview.

[Larry Beaumont] He was charged with a federal kidnapping,

and causing a death

in the course of committing that kidnapping.

[John Miller] The FBI searched the house.

What they needed was evidence.

And they went about searching for...

blood evidence, DNA, trace evidence.

Anything that they could use to validate that confession in front of a jury.

There was no forensic evidence against Larry.

Among the things that made Larry so dangerous

is he did have experience as a janitor.

If you look at his notes, he is careful

about making sure he has certain types of chemicals.

[Jackson] There's a search of his van.

Authorities find this journal where Larry Hall kept meticulous notes

with respect to his crimes.

[Levin] "April 5, 1993.

Vacuum van thoroughly,

sprayed down chemicals,

wiped with Armor All.

Clean all tools with denatured alcohol."

[Johnston] Three days go by,

and Agent Randolph is getting several phone calls

from the jail, from Larry Hall,

saying, "I want to talk with you,"

and so Agent Randolph sits down again with Larry Hall

who says, "These were actually dreams, it's not real."

He recants the things he had said.

[Beaumont] We ultimately did give Larry Hall a polygraph exam.

Later on, after he was charged.

The questions are specifically about

did you kidnap Jessica Roach and did he, you know, cause her death...

which he failed.

[Jackson] There's a reason that Larry took back his confession.

I think his quote was, "My brother told me to shut up 'cause I was in big trouble."

Gary was well aware of his brother Larry's deep personal troubles,

both present and past.

Now the strange story here is,

after about a year and half of age,

Larry started looking different.

His eyes were deeper set and dark,

and they call it, like, the thousand-yard stare.

It's like he didn't have any soul.

At age six, my brother Larry, all of a sudden walks up on me

with a full-size cement block,

and tries to crush my skull with it.

At age ten, he pulled a butcher knife in the kitchen for no reason at all.

He was very jealous of me.

Rage would come out of him.

And it always culminated with him threatening to kill me.

Criminologists studying the childhood behaviors of suspected serial killers,

look at behaviors related to the MacDonald triad.

The MacDonald triad is, you know,

chronic bed-wetting, fire setting,

and animal cruelty.

Interestingly enough, Larry Hall does have all three.

He was a bed-wetter,

and he was very ashamed of that.

He did help set fire

to several buildings in town.

In fact, he was even arrested.

And there is this story

that at one point, Larry killed, you know,

over 300 rabbits that were in their home.

[Gary Hall] We woke up the next morning,

cages had been ripped open.

It's like somebody took a butcher knife

and slaughtered all 380 of our rabbits.

There is a link

between animal cruelty and cruelty to humans later on.

Can you harm an animal and not care?

Do you harm a person and not care?

All those kind of things would certainly be red flags for me.

Once Larry Hall was finally charged,

now detectives from all over the country

were connecting him to cold cases in their states

that dated back years.

[John Miller] Michelle Dewey, 1991,

she's with her son in the backyard.

[Jackson] That tranquil setting would soon be shattered.

The young mom was preyed upon by a killer

who strangled her to death.

Michelle Dewey's murder is discovered by her babysitter

who's coming to the house to take care of her son.

The son is found unharmed hiding in a closet.

The murder seemed to fit the MO of Larry Hall perfectly.

Young women in her 20s,

strangled to death in the 1990s,

within striking distance of Larry Hall's hometown.

[Levin] When a cold case detective

questioned him about that murder,

he mentioned

a souvenir he took from her home.

A record album was taken

only the killer would've known about,

but otherwise there hasn't been any other evidence

that would tie him to that crime.

[Jackson] Laurie Depies was yet another unsolved case

connected to Larry Hall's admitted past.

[female reporter] The last night she was seen,

Laurie Depies had left her job at the Fox River Mall

and headed to her boyfriend's apartment.

The three people inside waiting for Laurie

knew she had pulled into the parking lot

because of her car's notoriously loud exhaust.

[Jackson] Years later,

Larry Hall admitted to the abduction and murder of Laurie Depies.

And he also said that she placed a soda cup on top of her car.

A detail like that is what Larry gave Wisconsin State Police,

who sounded like they were as close to indicting him

on that case as any case.

Larry's trial began on May 23rd of 1995.

[female reporter] The Wabash, Indiana man put up to life in prison.

Hall signed a statement in which he confessed to the killing,

along with the murders of an Indiana Wesleyan student, Tricia Reitler,

and two other unnamed females.

But police in Marion, Indiana still had doubts

about Larry Hall's involvement

in the murder of Tricia Reitler.

Information provided will be followed up,

but at this time, it has not resulted in any conclusion

in the disappearance of Tricia Reitler.

Marion police didn't believe he's involved in the Tricia Reitler kidnapping.

From the outset of Tricia Reitler's disappearance,

the police focused almost exclusively

on one suspect.

A 28-year-old man named Tony Searcy.

[Michael Sangiacomo] But he was only charged with theft.

Sometimes police do get tunnel vision

and they don't want to hear anything else.

[Loren Roach] The defense wanted everybody to think

that Larry Hall was this merely

mild-mannered little guy,

that he would not hurt anybody

and that he had this low IQ.

He was talking about dreams that he had.

[Levin] Assistant U.S. Attorney Larry Beaumont

very methodically laid out

the women he stalked,

which is why he brought in the Tricia Reitler case,

shows a whole pattern of behaviors.

[John Miller] The picture they're painting of Larry Hall

is that of a stalker, a predator.

Somebody who was hunting all the time.

The first trial in federal court is eight days,

and it goes to the jury.

The verdict was guilty.

And... I just cried.

[John Miller] Larry Hall goes to jail,

and his lawyers appealed the conviction.

And an appeals court agrees,

and they set aside his conviction

and give him a new trial.

I was shocked when it came back that way.

The problem was

that the judge believed Larry was coerced into a confession.

[Jordan] There being no physical evidence,

this raises the question,

was it a false confession?

[Levin] The judge felt that given his shy nature,

it was, in fact, very important that they have that

third-party expert.

That false confession expert would focus on

analyzing the summary of his sworn statement

to determine whether or not it actually is a confession,

or whether it's a false confession.

We tried the case in August of 1997.

[Richard Ofshe] I would get to explain

innocent people did sometimes give confessions

to crimes they didn't commit,

that this was not some bizarre hoax.

[John Miller] Larry Hall, after being convicted of the murder of Jessica Roach,

appeals and he wins a new trial.

He's still being held in prison,

but this entire case is about to be relitigated.

[Levin] So the second trial, they have that third-party expert

talking about how people can be coerced

into false confessions.

[Richard Ofshe] Why would anyone

give a false confession?

The first major step

is to try to make the person believe

that their situation is hopeless.

And if you can also lie to them about the evidence,

it becomes child's play

to get somebody to think, "I may have committed the crime."

[Roach] You're always nervous.

The jury is a different jury.

[John Miller] But the jury's conclusion was the same.

They agreed with the first jury.

He was convicted and sentenced to life

without the possibility of parole.

The problem was, then the case was appealed.

He had every reason to believe he would win another appeal.

Typically, it could take as much as a year or two

for the appeals court to rule.

[Jackson] While they're waiting for their second appeal,

the prosecutor refuses to sit still.

He wants to do something for Tricia Reitler's family.

[Beaumont] I ended up seeing Tricia Reitler's family

suffering deeply because they never found her body.

So there was no closure.

The only person that would actually know

where that body was, was Larry Hall.

The question was getting Larry Hall to tell us.

[Jordan] Prosecutor Beaumont comes up with a scheme

to take an undercover operative to gain the trust of Larry Hall,

so that they can get the information

about where the bodies could be buried.

[Beaumont] The easiest way was to get somebody that's already in prison.

And I love the idea of using a criminal to catch a criminal.

[Jackson] First, Beaumont had to find the right convict for the job.

Someone who's got the gift of gab,

who can gain someone's confidence,

and create a relationship with Larry Hall.

James Keene.

[interviewer] Do you prefer James?

I go by Jimmy, actually.

[John Miller] Jimmy Keene, he's a criminal.

But almost everybody who dealt with Jimmy Keene,

even in his life of crime, liked him.

He was a likeable guy.

He was also in serious trouble.

He's doing a ten-year bit in federal prison.

[Levin] Larry Beaumont met with Jimmy.

He slid the manila folder over to me.

Then when I opened it up, there was a picture of a young, dead girl.

We know that Larry had a type.

The typical target was someone with darker brown, long, curly hair.

Fairly dark eyes, and they were smaller in stature.

[Levin] And who did those women look like?

They looked like Gary's first wife.

I think that Gary's marriage

and subsequent moving out of the house had an effect.

[D'Ambrosia] This was a trauma for him.

Larry felt completely abandoned, out of his depth

and unsure of how to get through life without his twin brother.

About that time of the marriage

is when Larry begins to become more aggressive.

I think that the separation from Gary was huge

precipitating stressor for Larry.

[Levin] So it could point to why Larry

targeted women with that hairstyle,

and that size, and that physique.

I was looking for Tricia Reitler's body,

befriend Larry Hall, and get Larry Hall to tell him where that body was.

So that's your mission. Find the body.

I said, "So, what can I do?" He says, "We're wanting to send you into

a maximum-security penitentiary that has a psych wing."

[Beaumont] The Medical Center at the Federal Bureau of Prisons

in Springfield, Missouri.

He's going in with a bunch of people who are convicted of terrible murders.

Obviously, it's dangerous.

And he says, "Jimmy." He says, "Listen.

We're willing to make this worth your while.

We're willing to completely wash your record."

He's being offered his release from prison.

I decide that I'm going to do it.

I had pictures, I had detailed notes of everything.

So at night, when everybody would go to sleep,

I would read up on him to get a feeling of his personality,

all the insights I could find about him.

Until we started taking the drive to Springfield,

and this is just as the light's starting to come up on the horizon.

So you can see the prison glistening.

I looked at it and I thought, oh, my gosh. You know, I mean...

And I did. I started to get cold feet.

I'm classified as a low-level, nonviolent offender.

But I'm going to go into a maximum-security prison with a violent offender.

In a whole world of violent offenders, could I do this?

There's a term in prison. "Snitches get stitches."

So they don't look kindly upon people who rat out other prisoners.

Welcome back to Very Scary People.

Larry Dwayne Hall knew he was locked up for life,

with no possibility of parole.

But what Hall did not know was that his trusted new friend on the cell block

was actually a government operative.

A plant sent in by the prosecutor

to get him to reveal the precise location

of missing murder victim, Tricia Reitler.

[prisoners shouting indistinctly]

I was sitting around in the cell for maybe five minutes

and the morning bell rang.

-[bell ringing] -And I had no idea where I was going.

And so I just kind of followed the crowd.

Keene gets into that federal prison, the first thing he does

is he bumps into Larry Hall. And when I say bumps into him,

he actually bumps into him on purpose.

[Keene] When I seen him, I said, "Oh, excuse me. I'm new here."

I said, "You wouldn't happen to know where the library is, would you?

He says, "The library is down the hallway."

I kind of slapped him on the shoulder and I said,

"Thanks a lot. I appreciate that from a cool guy like you."

And he says, "You think I'm cool?"

He looks at me in this bizarre, spaced-out fashion. He says,

"Do you want me to show you where the library's at?"

I was like, "Yeah."

[Levin] Jimmy approached Larry eventually in the library,

where he knew Larry would look at the Wabash hometown papers.

I had slowly built up a friendship in that way.

Since they were both from the same region, Larry was guarded.

But he truly did want Jimmy's friendship.

I think he did look at me as an older brother.

A much cooler version of his brother.

Jimmy Keene is playing a psychological strategy game

to get into Larry Hall's field of trust.

You're not going to tell people who you killed

or literally where the bodies are buried unless you trust them.

And he's trying to accelerate this process.

[John Miller] Jimmy realized that a few things were real important

in Larry's life at the point.

One of them was watching TV andAmerica's Most Wanted.

[narrator] Now from our Washington crime center, John Walsh.

[John Miller] Larry and his friends really loved seeing

anything about serial killers on television.

[Keene] This big guy decided he was going to turn the TV channel.

Larry was terrified of the guy.

I walked up to the TV and I turned the channel back.

He jumped up.

"You touch that TV again, I'm going to rip your head off."

He turns the channel back.

When he sat back down, I pushed the button and turned it again.

Now I know it's pretty much on at that point.

He takes a wild haymaker swing at me.

And then I kicked him through three rows of chairs.

He was beat up real bad and had to go to the hospital.

[John Miller] Jimmy showed his loyalty to Larry that way.

And that really was, I think, the key in developing that friendship.

[John Miller] At this point, Jimmy felt he could accelerate the relationship.

But now, he has to get Larry Hall to open up.

And it dawned on me.

TheWabash Plain Dealer.

I said, "You know, my mom was real close to the Indiana border.

And she gets theWabash Plain Dealer."

And I said, "ThatWabash Plain Dealer has several stories about you

killing lots of different girls." And he looked at me.

And his eyes bugged out of his head,

and he starts, in a pleading way,

he says, "You know, James, it's not like they say.

It's not... It didn't happen that way. It didn't happen that way."

And he starts to give incriminating details.

I had to sit there and let this piece of human garbage say whatever

he's going to say, but at least he's talking.

And it took Jimmy Keene months to get Larry to open up.

Larry starts, in a pleading way, "No, James, it's not like they say.

It didn't happen that way. It didn't happen that way.

Those girls all liked me. They all liked me."

He would talk about the victims as though they were his girlfriends.

He describes those things almost like a,

you know, relationship kind of way.

"I just wanted to be with the girl."

Those are not things that were alarming

until you realize this is what this means.

"Be with somebody" means raping and killing them.

[Keene] Once I got him to feel comfortable,

I said, "Well, what really happened, you know, with Tricia Reitler?

What happened with her?"

[Levin] Then Larry started giving up more and more about what her knew.

Some details that had not previously come out.

[Keene] He said that he had seen her walking down the street,

and he had pulled up to her and he started talking to her.

Said that she was very nice.

And when he went to make an aggressive, forward move towards her to kiss her,

she stopped him. And he went to grab for her again.

And she put up a really big fight with him.

I could see her fighting and doing all the things

that Larry described that she did to him.

It certainly fit her personality.

They were in for one heck of a fight.

She wasn't going to go easy.

[Jackson] The attack on Tricia Reitler was not only terrifying

because of how brutally violent it was,

but because of how prepared Larry Hall seemed to be,

because of the murder kit in his van.

[Keene] His van was a little house of horror.

I mean, he had that thing set up

that once he's got you in there, you're not getting out of there.

He would shackle you down.

He had tarps down all over the main floors,

so no DNA could ever get put down to the main floor.

And he has an out-of-body experience.

And he says he sees him choking her.

When he wakes up, both their clothes are off.

And he's laying next to her. And he says, "I did it again."

The evil side of him killed the girl.

Now he panicked. And he didn't know what to do with this one here.

So he drove to his home, which was about 20 minutes away.

He got some lime together, he got a shovel and he got a lantern,

and he drove her way out into the woods

and he buried her out in the woods.

That was another element of the crime that he hadn't talked about previously.

What Jimmy Keene needs from Larry is, he needs more.

He needs Larry to tell him about the murder of Tricia Reitler

and where that body is.

[Jordan] Jimmy Keene stepped into the prison workshop.

And he saw Larry Hall. He had a map.

He immediately dove on that map and covered the map up.

[Jordan] But not before Jimmy Keene sees that there's this

map of Illinois and Indiana with red dots distributed around that map

that would indicate, perhaps, the location of the burial sites.

[Keene] And I come up over his shoulder, and I grab one of the falcons.

And I said," Wow, this is pretty cool, Larry." I said, "What is this?"

He says, "They watch over the dead."

Larry Hall had carved falcons to symbolically fly over the crime scenes.

[Johnston] And to Jimmy Keene, he immediately feels like he has basically won the lottery

in terms of figuring out where all these bodies are.

Jimmy Keene calls his handler on the outside.

[Keene] I did try to make a call to the FBI when I left the woodshop.

I left a message that I thought I had this whole thing solved

and we needed to talk.

I went back to my cell and I felt that I had

pretty much tied this up in a nice little bow.

[Levin] He felt the authorities were ready

to rush into Springfield, get him out.

The FBI has told me they'll have me out of here on a 24-hour notice.

[Jordan] Just when he's on the edge of really

breaking Larry Hall and getting that information the police need,

he makes the really tragic error of blowing up on Larry Hall.

[John Miller] Of course, none of this, because they were in prison, was on tape.

But it has been pretty well dramatized

on the Apple TV original series Black Bird.

You demented [bleep] monster!

Beaumont sent you, didn't he?

He did, didn't he?

[Keene] I said, "You're going to sit here and rot

the rest of your life."

And I went back across to my cell.

And I thought, you know, good.

[Jackson] But the problem is the FBI handler didn't get the message right away.

Hall now had the time to dispose of the map and the falcons.

[Johnston] I think his survival mode kicks in.

If the find this map and these falcons, but in particularly the map,

the gig could be up.

And the map and the falcons were probably destroyed.

We needed a specific location. That, we didn't get.

[Beaumont] And they brought Jimmy straight back to my office in Central Illinois.

And he was interviewed, debriefed.

I made arrangements for Jimmy to take a polygraph test

to verify what he told us during the debriefing.

I was comfortable that what he was telling us was true.

[Jackson] The prosecutor felt that Jimmy Keene

had gotten enough information and confession

from Larry to really call the operation an overall success.

He releases Jimmy Keene from prison.

I filed a motion to give Jimmy Keene credit for time served.

And the judge agreed to do that.

[Levin] Coincidentally, the appeals court did rule on the second trial.

And Larry's appeal was denied.

The Larry Hall horror show did not end with Jimmy Keene.

[Jackson] The fierce interest in Larry Hall has never stopped.

Investigators are still probing into his background and past history

to determine what he's been involved with.

I did not want to pretend I thought he was innocent.

[Jackson] Author Hillel Levin actually got permission

to speak with and record a prison call

that he did with Larry Hall for his book.

The writer asks Larry about his pattern of recanting confessions,

saying they're all dreams.

I said to him, "Do you think the dreams are really the window

through which the good Larry is looking at what the bad Larry is doing?"

And his response was...

Larry Hall went on to admit that he would habitually show up at crime scenes

in the aftermath of his attack.

It is certainly not uncommon for serial killers, sexually motivated offenders

to insert themselves into a search.

He was actually around when they were looking for Tricia Reitler.

When she was first kidnapped, he was, like, trying to help the police.

So he was at the scene.

[Howard] We know that Grace was sexually assaulted.

We know that she was probably strangled.

And that led me to Larry Hall.

I needed to hear from him. I needed to see him.

The very moment that I walked into that room and he sat across from me,

he reached out and he said, "Thank you for coming."

He was speaking to me a great deal about Jessica.

He talks about strangling her.

And he's giving me a very graphic description

of what that sounds like and what that looks like.

But during this, they bring him in lunch.

And he stops, and apologizes for eating in front of me.

Then, he picked right back up,

talking about the most horrific and gruesome things

that one person can do to another human being.

No remorse, no guilt about the suffering of others.

[Howard] I slid a picture of Grace across.

And I flipped it over. And I said, "Did you kill her?"

And he said, "Nope. She's not mine."

Larry gave me back my picture of Grace Doe.

And what he said after that was, "I did not kill her.

But I did kill the Springfield Three."

[male reporter 1] Calls like this keep coming into the Springfield Police Department

from people with information about Stacy McCall,

Suzanne Streeter and Sherrill Levitt.

[Howard] Suzie Streeter and Sherrill, mother and daughter.

Suzie was the daughter. And then the friend was Stacy McCall.

They disappeared one night coming home, early in the morning.

[male reporter 2] Police have set up this 24-hour command post on East Delmar,

hoping someone comes forward with information about the missing women.

There was a witness that came forward in that particular case that said,

"We saw a brown and tan van."

The same weekend that the Springfield Three disappeared,

there was a Civil War reenactment.

[Howard] It was the anniversary of the Battle of Wilson's Creek.

And Larry was in the area.

Detective Howard asked Larry Hall

where the Springfield Three were buried.

[Howard] And he says, "They're in the Mark Twain Forest."

And he mentions his brother Gary.

Larry stated more than one time to me

that Gary was the driving force behind killing these girls.

Gary would tell him what to do and Larry would do it.

He wanted me to see that his brother was equally responsible.

But I have no evidence to say that Gary was involved.

But certainly, Larry believes it.

[Miller] I think what Larry Hall did, he did alone.

He enjoyed being alone when he did 'em.

I was shocked by the obvious pathology

that lead Larry to do the awful things that he's done.

It really made me think about how does it manifest

when you have an identical twin?

Are the personalities in any way connected or are they so divergent?

There have been pairs of serial killers

that have worked in tandem in the past. But they are incredibly rare.

Even though it's really tempting to think that his twin brother Gary

could be involved in some of these missing women,

there is absolutely no evidence other than Larry Hall suggesting it.

Yeah, I could say I suspected some things,

but I've never had evidence of Gary Hall doing any wrongdoing.

[Howard] Gary is very, very adamant that his brother is

completely and totally 100 percent responsible for all of these things.

[Jordan] Larry Hall has confessed to dozens of murders.

He recants everything, making him either

one of the most prolific serial killers in history

who's gotten away with it or

one of the most effusive, false confessors in history.

I think he was smarter than he was given credit for.

Could he have done this on his own?

Would he have? Did he have help?

[Howard] It's crucial that you pick his mind

and get information out of there.

Because families are getting older,

nobody deserves to live an entire life not knowing what happened

or to bring their child home.

Thirty years is a long time not to know.

Our children believe it's Larry Hall. Hands down.

[Donna] Forensically, there's nothing that links

Larry Hall to Trisha's disappearance.

[Garry] Two confessions. And then all the articles in his van.

-So you have hopes on that. -[Donna] Yeah.

[Garry] But then it ends. There's nothing more that they can give you.

Until we have something concrete, you can't really hang your head on that.

Somebody knows something.

There may be more people out there

who have something, something little, you know, that just maybe

-will be that piece that ties it together. -Right.

And we hope.

The theory of Larry Dwayne Hall as a false confessor has faded away.

But the debate about the full scope of his reign of terror rages on.

In 1994, his confessed number of victims was 22.

Hall later claimed, in an interview with the Associated Press,

that he'd picked up 39 women between 1980 and 1994.

Some believe he may have committed more than 50 murders.

People close to the case still have hope

Larry Hall will one day bring police to Tricia Reitler's body,

and put an end to her family's nightmare.

I'm Donnie Wahlberg. Thank for watching.

Good night.

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