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You always have a hope in a missing persons case

that you're going to find the person alive.

And there's a lot of times, though, you're 99.9% sure you're not.

I never expected to find anyone alive.

I was expecting two bodies on this property somewhere,

at that point, in my mind.

A missing woman found chained up in South Carolina...

We have learnt today that a body has been found

on that property.

Two bodies were found in graves on Todd Kohlhepp's property.

He confessed to killing Chris Sherbert, Scott Ponder,

Brian Lucas and Beverly Guy.

We now know seven people may have died at the hands of Todd Kohlhepp.

I never dreamed this investigation would turn out like this.

I thought, "How many more has he killed?"

It is possible that they could be dealing with

a serial killer in this case.

OK. You're under arrest right now for kidnapping.

It was almost as if Todd's Amazon reviews were

foreshadowing the murders he was committing.

So it's a way to confess without confessing?

This was actually what he was buying these items for.

He definitely came across as charismatic,

people thought he was funny, he would crack jokes.

He owns a business, people work with him,

people know him, he's liked.

You have this charming, professional, successful person,

so no-one sees what's underneath.

The killer who lived among us.

It's hard to even fathom that

someone who was hiding in plain sight was the person responsible.

I'm Dr Jameca Woody Cooper, and I am a counselling psychologist

and criminal psychology consultant.

Todd's early years were really described as difficult.

He's often described as disturbed as a young child - angry, explosive.

Very impulsive and very poor social skills.

That might not be very different from other children.

What's different from him, though, is the extremes of the anger

and the extremes of the explosion - what he does when he's angry,

destroying things.

And his mother also described him as quite sensitive, a sensitive child.

In other words, if his feelings were hurt, they were REALLY hurt.

And now, because you have the anger and the explosion,

put them both together - sensitive, and now I have to do something bad.

This is a pattern he showed for most of his life.

He learnt at an early age how to not feel badly about harming things.

So he probably started with animals - which is not uncommon, actually -

shooting a dog with a BB gun.

And I think that was a telltale sign as he was growing up,

that, you know, there's something going on here.

And that comes from his lack of attachment -

he didn't have a father that was there, father had left.

And I think also the fact that he was a bit of

a bully at school - he picked on kids,

he was often getting into trouble,

and that was another warning sign that there's something wrong here.

I think there was probably an overreaction.

They ended up placing him into a facility, a psych facility,

for a few months and that probably was a real turning point for him,

to be locked up.

That really stamped on him there was something seriously wrong with him

and he learnt to accept that label.

And, of course, they tell him what to do and how to do it

and when to do it.

He has no control for all this time he's locked up.

When he's released, we know he's getting to a point

where he's fantasising about wanting to be in control,

which is very common amongst serial offenders.

Psychopathy is all about control.

As we define psychopathy, it's the need for control.

He told his mum at one point - whenever he was an adolescent,

around 12 years old - that he wanted to go live

with his biological father because his biological father had left him

and his mother right after he was born.

And he told his mum if he couldn't go out to Arizona,

across the country, and live with his biological father,

that he would either kill her or kill himself.

So she ended up letting him move out with his father.

When he moved out to his father's, he had even more freedom

to do whatever he wanted.

So while his mum tried to control his behaviour

but eventually gave in, his father would be gone

for two or three days at a time, leaving a 15-year-old home alone

to do whatever he wanted.

And this is someone who already had these violent tendencies,

aggressive behaviour.

He had narcissistic personality disorder,

borderline personality disorder.

His family knew about this well before he ever committed one crime.

In the town of Arizona, they probably hadn't seen

other adolescents that acted and behaved

in the ways that Todd did.

And in those respects, he's a bit isolated and disconnected.

So it escalates as he becomes a teen to more angry,

more rebellious and also now violent.

So now we've seen this violence toward animals move

to violence toward people.

Todd was about 15 years old when he was living with his father.

He hadn't committed any real crimes at that point, but that was

when he did commit his first really extremely violent crime.

He went over to his neighbour's house.

She was 14 years old at that time.

She was babysitting her siblings and he knocked on the door.

She answered, basically said, "I can't come out,"

but he didn't stop. He went around to the back.

He kept knocking and saying, "Please come out, please come out."

So just to basically get rid of him, she comes outside.

He holds a gun to her and forces her to come over to his house.

And it was there that he bound her, duct-taped her and raped her.

The girl's brother, who was home at the time, called the police.

The police showed up.

And Todd even talks about it himself -

he was considering killing her, but he doesn't.

That sort of crime is almost beyond comprehensible

for anyone, not to mention someone at 15 years old.

The fact that he was able to execute this extremely violent

crime all in succession like that is extremely scary,

and I think set off a lot of alarm bells in the community,

for his family, and also should have for investigators -

someone that young to be able to torture a young girl that much

is just terrifying, yeah.

He admitted what he did, and he said he did it

to get back at his father because his father had been gone for three days

with one of his many girlfriends.

And he admitted that what he did was wrong, he shouldn't have done it,

but he said the reason why he did it was because he was mad at his dad.

When Todd Kohlhepp went to prison, he was 15 years old

and they went back and forth in the court proceedings

if he should be tried as an adult or as a child since he was 15 years old.

After much examination with psychiatrists, they determined

that nothing that they could do in the short span of time

from 15 until 18 years old, that they would be able to do anything

to rehabilitate him,

so he was sent off to prison as an adult.

The nature of his crime was so heinous that 15 years was

a suitable amount of time for him to be serving in prison.

There were discussions of him even going away

for longer than that.

I think everybody agreed that there was a very extreme, sadistic nature

to this person, and that it was something that began at such

a young age and was a consistent pattern.

It WAS something that was picked up on from the time he was,

you know, seven, eight years old.

It seems by all accounts, everyone involved in that -

his legal team, the judge - everyone could easily see

that he was really disturbed.

They could also easily see that he was not showing any remorse.

That is a huge sign of what could happen

if this person gets back out into society.

With Todd's parole hearing, there seemed to be some individuals

involved in the psychological evaluation that really

saw some issues with him.

They could easily see that this is a really disturbed person.

In fact, the psychological evaluation said that he is

very disturbed, and the time that he spent here is not enough

to rehabilitate or treat him.

On the other hand, once he served his time,

he's not displaying behaviour that would keep him in jail.

He's not answering questions that would signal that something

is deeply wrong with him.

So, of course, no-one has any reason at this point

to keep him in jail.

If he's served his time, they feel, hey, he's now ready

to enter the community.

We hope when someone is released from prison

that they've made changes.

And when a man says he's changed, well, we know one thing for sure -

he's lying.

Because when they tell you they've changed, they're trying

to convince you of something that hasn't happened yet.

Because change requires suffering and pain,

and time and effort and sacrifice.

And most men, rather than change, they just want to cut to the chase

and get back to normal again, so they say they've changed.

Certainly, he could blend in back into society and say,

"I did some prison time, but I'm a changed man."

"Oh, that's wonderful," because the public wants to believe

that people have changed.

Yeah, that didn't happen.

He was released. He was 30 years old.

He had been in prison for the same amount of time that he was alive.

So for anyone to think that that won't completely shape

and affect the way that somebody acts once they're out of prison,

to me, makes absolutely no sense.

And for somebody who was already so violent in nature

and then served all this time in prison, to be released

into society without any checks or balances after that

is really alarming and scary.

He had come out of prison and he ended up earning his GED

and his associate's degree.

It seemed like he was motivated to go and become

a productive member of society.

He got out in 2001, and then shortly after moved back here

to Spartanburg, South Carolina.

He decided he wanted to get his bachelor's degree,

so he finished up some classes at a local technical college

and then transferred to the University of South Carolina Upstate,

which is also in Spartanburg.

And he graduated at the top of his class.

It seemed, from the outside, he really was trying

to do everything the right way, trying to kind of make up

for those past mistakes and move on, I guess,

to start a new life, start fresh.

Truthfully, ever since he was released from prison,

he absolutely lived a double life.

He was already hiding his violent crime from the beginning.

In the small suburban areas of Greenville and Spartanburg,

there's a lot of neighbourhoods, a lot of houses

that are close together.

You also have some that are spread apart, but the neighbourhoods,

the people who live on the same street, they really know each other.

They know each other's business, they know what's going on.

Even if they don't talk to that neighbour,

they know what's going on at their house.

They keep an eye on their neighbours' homes.

It's just very, you know, quiet.

A lot of these areas, specifically Woodruff and Chesney,

those are very, very small communities.

When I grew up here, it felt very safe.

I think a lot of people that live in the small towns around here

have a sense of security that, you know,

nothing's going to happen here, nothing's going to happen

in my neighbourhood or in my town.

And I hear that so often - "This is not the kind of thing

"that happens here."

My name is Melissa Brackman. I am a fourth-grade teacher.

I met Scott in my late 20s.

I was working in the motorcycle industry out of Arizona.

He had a motorcycle dealership in South Carolina,

and we met at a dealer show in Indianapolis.

We corresponded - you know, text messaging, phone calls -

and it just grew into something more.

And I ended up moving to South Carolina about

a year after I met him.

When we got married, I was 29 and he was 28,

and we both were kind of feeling the need of, we need to...

It's time to start a family, you know?

We did all of our fun stuff in our 20s and now it's time.

And we were actually visiting Arizona at the time -

I was seeing my parents and I wasn't feeling that great.

I decided, because I just wasn't feeling very good,

I'll take a pregnancy test and just see and sure enough,

it was the first positive pregnancy test I've ever seen.

My brother likes to say that he looked over at Scott

and Scott was smiling because he knew what was going on,

you know, and that's... So he knew.

I came running out with my...my stick, you know,

and, yeah, it was just... It was really exciting.

When we got back to South Carolina from our trip to Arizona,

we had our first doctor's appointment.

We both were so excited when we heard the heartbeat

cos we had never experienced anything like that.

And so that was very, very exciting for us.

Scott started liking motorcycles from a very, very young age,

and it never left him. That's all he ever wanted to do.

And, also, building his dealership became a big deal, too.

He actually expanded the dealership when he met me.

He added the Suzuki franchise when he met me.

I have some pictures of his grandma in here.

She doted on Scott. She loved Scott.

She wanted to be around him, she was very proud of everything he did,

and she worked at the motorcycle dealership with Scott.

Pictures of us meeting, some of the dates we went on...

This picture here that Scott took of me holding up

my pregnancy sticks, telling everybody that I'm pregnant.

Scott actually took those pictures.

And then I have my first ultrasound here.

I look at these pictures and I feel a lot of pride in the fact

that he accomplished so much in such a short amount of time.

My perception of Todd Kohlhepp is that he is narcissistic.

It's not that he loves himself, but he likes to be in control

and he likes to feel like he's in charge.

And it's about him - everything is about him.

And I think when you are a narcissist,

there's a wound that you can receive.

It can come very easily from somebody else,

and that narcissistic wound will drive them for revenge.

It could be something small - a small slight.

It was all about the wounding and the narcissism.

It's a different type of offender than we often see.

One of the things that is common with personality disorders -

either the narcissistic personality disorder or the borderline,

and Todd's been described as having either one at different times -

and both of those come with some mood instability.

He also had these additional issues of the anger

and not being able to control it.

When combined, a horrible equation.

So it always, with him, ends in the rage,

so he always has the tendency to act explosively.

It's very difficult to be able to look at someone in their eyes

and see those sort of deeply-rooted issues,

because what he shows us on the outside is a professional person.

They're not seeing the other parts of him.

So even on the days that they made him feel embarrassed at

the Superbike store, I'm sure they didn't even realise

that he was deeply hurt and felt that he needed to get revenge.

It was any other normal day for us.

So I got up, started getting ready for work, and I just remember

passing by the dealership and him blowing me a kiss and me waving.

I had told him, "I'm going to head out there later.

"I just have a few things I need to do," and he said, "OK."

I started heading to the business.

I was going to drop some of this stuff off.

And my phone rang, and it was his credit card vendor

and she was trying to get to his business.

She said, "I'm trying to get up to the dealership, but I can't.

"There's law enforcement everywhere.

"They've blocked off the road, there's helicopters... It's just...

"It's a frenzy up here."

And she said, "You know, I kind of heard somebody saying

"there might have been a shooting at the dealership."

She's like, "I think you should get up here."

So I hung up, turned my car around.

I called his cell phone, then I would call the dealership phone,

then I would call his cell phone, call the dealership phone,

and they all just went straight to voicemail.

There was no getting ahold of him.

I pulled up to this big stop in the road where there's

law enforcement everywhere, probably 20 cars.

And I pulled my car over to the side, I got out of the car,

and I just started running past everyone to

try to get down to the dealership, but they had the road blocked off

to where you couldn't see down there.

So I started running, a cop started running after me,

came, grabbed me and said, "You can't go down there."

And I said, "Well, that's my husband's business."

And he said, "Your husband owns the business?"

And I told him who I was, and he said,

"OK, just stand over here to the side. Give me a minute."

So he called somebody on the phone and he said,

"I have the wife of the owner with me, and what do you want me

"to do with her?" And so they told him to bring me home.

I got to my house.

He told me, "Don't turn on the TV, don't turn on the radio,"

and for two and a half hours, I knew nothing.

We found four individuals. They were all dead.

They had appeared to have been shot.

NEWSREADER: Investigators say a customer found the bodies.

6.30pm, I saw a coroner.

I was staring out my front window, and I saw the coroner

drive up the road and up my driveway.

They came in, they asked me to sit down and they just proceeded

to tell me that today, something very unfortunate happened down at

your husband's business.

"Somebody came in, they shot and killed everyone,

"including your husband."

I immediately - I mean, completely broken -

asked for my mother-in-law.

And I said, "Well, I need to know. I need to talk to Beverly.

"Where is she? I need, I need to talk to her.

"She has to be a mess right... You know, what...?"

And they told me that she was one of the victims

and she was also killed with him.

People were completely shocked. Nobody knew who could have done this.

So much so, that people that were friends were put on

the radar as suspects.

No-one had any clue who did this.

This turned out to be this mystery that just kind of

lurked around this town, not knowing if the person

that lived beside you could have done this.

There weren't many violent crimes happening in this community at all,

especially not homicides.

So when the Superbike Murders happened,

I mean, it was a quadruple homicide.

It absolutely shook the community.

It was hard to believe for most people, especially at that time.

The Superbike Motorsports murders.

Four people were shot and killed inside that motorcycle shop

in Chesney on November 6th, 2003.

Detectives have launched a new search for a suspect in

the case of four people murdered in an upstate motorcycle shop.

A shooter entered this Suzuki dealership and killed the owner,

Scott Ponder, his mother, Beverly Guy, and two mechanics,

Brian Lucas and Chris Sherbert.

They believe an angry customer may have committed those murders.

Yes, they do, and they're asking anyone who knows about an angry

customer of the Superbike Motorsports dealership

to give them a call.

Investigators say that robbery was not the motive for this crime.

They say that the person who did this was definitely out for murder.

My name is William Gary.

I retired from the Spartanburg County Sheriff's Office after

a little bit over 28 years working there,

with 24 of those being in investigations.

The majority of that working violent crimes,

which includes homicides and other violent crimes.

In Spartanburg as a whole, I think most people feel safe.

We can be a very rural county away from the downtown area.

There are several municipalities within the county,

but it still can have a small-town feel in a lot of places.

Whenever you have four people that are killed at one time,

yeah, it's a big shock.

And, you know, everybody wants answers fairly quickly,

but that doesn't always happen.

It became fairly evident

to us that it probably was directly related to the business itself,

and not something that just happened randomly,

because if he wanted to kill other people than the owners,

he had plenty of opportunity to do so, especially people that saw him.

Cos now you've got people that see him - and at least one

that we KNOW saw him - so if you're going to do something

that random and that's your goal, then you're going to do something

to those customers as well, and, of course, those witnesses.

I was looking at the last year's worth of used bike sales,

because they were shipping a lot of bikes across the country.

And so those bikes, a lot of people were buying them sight unseen.

They would see the pictures, all of that, they would buy them,

but then there were several in there where

the customers were angry when they received these motorcycles

and found damage to frames or other things.

Quite honestly, to me, somebody buying a new bike, I didn't really

see a reason that they would be upset with the shop.

Which, come to find out, that was what Todd Kohlhepp had done.

He'd bought a brand-new bike from them, and one of

the first things that we did was send out letters

to customers asking about any information, and, of course,

he received one of those.

Had they looked at that list, they could have seen that Todd Kohlhepp

was a registered sex offender.

He was someone who had served 15 years in prison for raping a girl

whenever he was just 15 years old.

But it was never followed up on, so he was actually

never even interviewed. He was never a suspect.

You know, honestly, it kind of is the old adage that, you know,

if you were fairly thorough in your early investigation, odds are -

in an unsolved homicide - your suspect's name

is probably somewhere in your case file.

Everybody was very invested in this crime as a whole,

and I feel like the community wanted to see a resolution here,

and the longer this went on...

..it just became harder and harder to believe

that anything would be solved.

I don't know if anybody ever completely gave up on it

at the sheriff's office.

I know when I was working on it, I never did, but I told a number

of people, this is going to take some luck, but hard work

can generate luck.

And, you know, there was a lot of work put into this case from

a number of different people, and different agencies as well.

And, you know, it's frustrating because people don't become

a cop to not catch the bad guy.

You don't become an investigator not to be able to close a case.

You do it because you like the job and you want to right the wrongs

and catch the people.

Several behaviourists that I'd spoken with, working the case,

told me that if you run across somebody whose life

kind of went downhill soon after this, that's probably your suspect,

because a normal person doing something like this wouldn't

be able to deal with it very well.

Well, after Superbike, he actually went up in stature,

in life and all of that.

It was, you know, there was no spiralling.

In 2006, Todd decides to apply for a real-estate licence,

but on that application, he actually lies about

the nature of his crime that he committed,

saying that it was actually a dispute between him

and a girlfriend rather than a violent sexual assault,

and that's how he's able to get his licence.

So he moves forward.

He works in real estate, he's a real go-getter.

He really builds a name for himself in the community.

He starts his own brokerage named after himself.

He employs 12 agents or so and becomes successful,

in his own right, in this new career that he's carved out for himself.

He definitely came across as charismatic.

I think people thought he was funny, he would crack jokes.

He was someone who also was a reliable guy from the community.

But also, you know, his criminal history was not something that

people knew about, I don't think.

It wasn't something that was disclosed while he was working.

I wouldn't feel comfortable knowing that my real estate broker had

committed this crime and was lying to me about it

and lying to the board about it.

DOGS BARK

Right, my name is Michael Foster. I'm a father of eight kids.

I've been married to my wife for 20 years.

I'm a bi-vocational pastor.

In 2014, I took a job as a director of outreach

and discipleship at a small Presbyterian church.

So we moved from Indiana down to Spartanburg.

Didn't know anything about Spartanburg, but we moved there.

At the time, I think we had six kids, something like that.

Spartanburg is, in my personal opinion, it's close to

a lot of places I want to visit, but I wouldn't ever

want to visit Spartanburg.

You're, like, two hours away from Atlanta, close to the mountains

up in Asheville, North Carolina.

Not too far from, like, Myrtle Beach or whatever.

But Spartanburg itself is kind of boring. It's a little run-down.

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There wasn't a lot out there, and we kept coming back

to this one house that was in the Twin Lakes Housing development.

It was really big and it was all overgrown.

There was kudzu everywhere.

There was a bunch of cats running around the property

and it looked pretty rough,

so I started looking somewhere else, and the days just kept running down.

And in the end, that was the only place I could fit my family,

so we moved there.

At first it all seemed pretty normal, but as I was leaving,

my previous landlord, I talked to her and she said,

"So, did you find somewhere to live?"

I'm like, "Yeah. Didn't the landlord call you and check references?"

She was like, "We didn't get calls."

So then I pulled my credit to see if there was any credit hits

on my CBR, or my credit bureau report, and there was...

No-one had ran my credit, no-one had checked any of my references

and I thought that was a little odd.

And I thought, "Well, maybe I just made a really good impression

"on this guy or something."

That kind of stuck out to me and I remember telling my wife that.

I also remember that I met with him before my wife did

and she said, "What's your opinion of him?"

And I said, "Well, he's got a really big personality,

"and he seems like the sort of guy that if you don't manage him,

"he'll certainly manage you."

And that is how Todd was wired.

For someone like him - and for "someone like him",

I mean, narcissistic personality disorder and disturbed -

a person like that is going to, on the outside,

be very charming, very likeable, but also very egotistical.

So he's going to talk about himself.

He's going to feel as though he's better than other people,

often entitled and bragging.

And I think the people he did business with and the people

he knew just expected that of him and really overlooked it,

so no-one sees what's underneath.

Todd was pretty personable.

All my interactions with him were pretty normal.

He liked to talk about how successful he was

and how he's buying all this property and making millions

or whatever, so he could be very braggadocious, right?

And then he would talk about how he had trouble

with other realtors and things like that

and how people were kind of holding him back.

He would swing real quick from being like,

"I'm the king of the world," to, "I'm oppressed,"

or something like that -

a victim mindset would arise in conversations that were...

..that started about things like, you know, "I need to fix my Hvac"

or, "There's too much kudzu," you know, so you start with kudzu

and end with this guy who's awesome, but also being held down, you know?

I know a lot of men like Todd, a lot of guys that, you know,

they're not able to hold down a relationship or they're on

the verge of being something bigger, they desire to be something big.

And you can see, you know, you could see anger in Todd,

you could see frustration in him, and, again,

that idea that he's a victim being held back or whatever.

No, I think I know a lot of guys like that.

There were some red flags with some of Todd Kohlhepp's clients.

He had had three or four complaints filed against him with the board

of real estate in South Carolina that had been looked into.

Turns out that he was cleared of any wrongdoing.

There were also some people that he worked with that said that

he would do things like watch pornography at work.

He said weird things.

He said things that made people feel a little uneasy.

He would joke about guns and talking about hiding bodies,

things that people kind of thought was a little weird.

But at the same time, I don't believe that anyone thought that,

"Oh, this is our..." you know, "..neighbourhood serial killer

"that I'm talking to right now."

So we had been in the house, I'd say, at least, like, six weeks.

We had this sunroom that was connected to the front of

the house that was really dilapidated.

And part of that is it had a sliding door that to open it,

you had to pull really hard and it made this terrible,

like, shrieking-like noise.

So we didn't do anything with that room,

and we never came into the house through that.

And the door had been about that open for, you know,

the whole time we were there.

You know, I moved it, like, an inch and just moving it was really hard.

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One night, I'm laying in bed and I wake up to hear

what I thought was a noise.

And then, like, seconds later, my oldest son, Hudson,

comes in next to the bed and he says, "Someone's trying

"to get into the sunroom!"

So I go ahead and grab a big old flashlight

and grab my Mossberg shotgun, and I don't see anything.

But then I go and I look at that door and I'm like,

"Man, I think that door is like this much."

It had been moved several inches, you know, maybe four inches.

And so I came back and I thought, "That's crazy.

"It seems like someone was trying to get through that door."

One of the first things I always recommend is that you

need to be looking at their social media posts,

because if there's narcissism, they're going to post things

because they want people to know who they are,

and that they're smarter than everybody else.

And sometimes you'll slip up and say something that will raise

a red flag among law enforcement,

especially if they're narcissistic - they can't resist

putting something on the internet.

Todd was making posts on Facebook that really did seem to exhibit

his aggressive behaviour, and the way that he felt

violent towards other people.

He would make references to being angry at bad drivers

and what he was going to do to them.

He just seemed to really like violence

and talk about it frequently.

And he also seemed to harbour a lot of aggression towards people

that he felt had wronged him, even if it was something

as small as a driver honking at him.

There seemed to be a theme with Todd, online,

of retaliation, how you should interact with people,

how you should respond to people, treat them this way.

Show your power to children, to immigrants, to people on the road.

And there were a few different instances of the road rage,

which does signal some really deeply disturbing issues

that probably no-one saw as disturbing.

We live in a world, in a society, where so many comments and posts

are made on social media like that every day

that are just run-of-the-mill.

They're trolls, they're bots, and people just don't take

them seriously, when in fact there really could be red flags there.

On the outside, he appeared kind of normal, maybe a little strange,

but no-one thought that he was doing what he was doing

behind closed doors.

You definitely see this theme throughout his adulthood of...

Again, you have this charming, professional, successful person -

in his mind, that brings him here. He's elevated. He's better than.

So when he hires these employees to work with him with his real estate,

he hires people to clean and do things around his land,

all of these people are beneath him.

So for a person like Todd with that personality structure,

"If you're beneath me, I expect you to act that way."

And so when any of these people act as though they challenge his power,

that's when the issues show up.

In 2015, he hires this couple, Meagan and Johnny Coxie,

to do some house maintenance for him and, you know,

it seems like a perfectly innocuous job for them to be doing.

People that worked with Meagan said Todd Kohlhepp would

come in there pretty frequently.

The women that worked there were so creeped out by him that

the male server had to start taking Todd's order.

REPORTER: Meagan and Johnny Coxie went missing December of 2015.

The couple had been seen panhandling near I-26,

but before that, Meagan was working at this Roebuck Waffle House.

It was unlike Meagan not to stay in contact with her mother.

So once her mother had tried multiple times and was unsuccessful,

that's when she filed a missing persons report with us.

The married couple was first reported missing from

Spartanburg County in December 2015.

Tonight, those who knew them are looking for answers.

It wasn't as highly publicised as other disappearances.

I think this is because sometimes they would just leave

for days or weeks at a time, and even their families

at first believed that they had just left for a few days, they'll be back.

Well, they never came back.

We got a news release about it.

I remember receiving a news release, but it wasn't something that was

highly publicised because I think at first,

no-one actually thought that they were missing.

With investigators, sometimes it's just that sixth sense

that something just doesn't sit right.

And that really can come with experience,

and with applying common sense to certain things.

But missing person cases can be very challenging.

I was the sergeant of the unit when that came in

and I assigned it to one of the investigators to work on.

There was really nothing to indicate,

other than them just vanishing,

of where they might have been or anything of that nature.

If you get to where you really have nothing to run down,

it does just kind of sit there in the hope that some

information comes in.

Meagan and Johnny Coxie had been missing almost a year

by the point in 2016 when a couple from Anderson goes missing.

They go missing on August 31st, 2016, they left their apartment

and they hadn't been seen since.

These were two people that did not have a history of going away

for weeks, days at a time.

Charlie Carver had a job that he worked...

He even worked overtime a good bit. He worked all the time.

They talked to their families - both of them talked to

their families pretty frequently. They talked to their friends.

Charlie Carver talked to his sister every single day.

So within a couple of days, their families start growing concerned.

So Charlie Carver's mum goes over to their apartment,

knocks on the door, no-one's there.

She gets the manager to go in because she thinks at this point,

something is not right.

She knows her son. He wouldn't just leave.

They go in, they find Kala Brown's dog was in the house but hadn't

been fed for several days, so the dog's neglected.

This was the first big red flag.

This instantly becomes something that blows up into a big story.

This couple's missing, we get a press release about it pretty soon after

and that's when news coverage starts.

A concerned mother reported her son, Charles David Carver, missing.

Two days later, a concerned friend also arrived on Anderson Police's

steps to report Kala Brown, Charlie's girlfriend, also missing.

The two live in this apartment building,

but haven't been seen for nine days.

Family and friends are hoping these fliers will help.

This is just so out of character of him.

So if anybody knows anything, please call and leave a tip.

Officers still haven't found Carver's car.

While the search continues, family members haven't given up hope.

They just want some answers.

Just trying to keep it together, cos I'm not going to get anywhere

if I fall apart, so there's time for that later.

My name is Chuck Carver. I'm a preschool teacher.

I moved to Anderson, South Carolina when I was six years old.

Charlie was born in 1983, in Anderson.

He enjoyed hanging out with friends, listening to music,

he played football in high school, just your normal, normal person.

When he first went missing, it was a lot of...unknown.

Didn't know what was going on.

He was very close to family, so that wasn't like him.

For...

First week, you know, we knew something was wrong,

because he always told us when he was going out of town

and that kind of thing.

My first thought was he had a wreck somewhere

and he was hurt, lying somewhere, and nobody knew where he was.

So just like the Superbike Murders, when something horrible like that

happens in this small community, it's major news.

It's what everyone's talking about. Everyone's scared and worried.

So then when these young couples start going missing,

the community is terrified.

They want answers. They want to understand what's going on,

because big events like this just aren't normal,

and they definitely shouldn't be happening in succession like this.

There were missing persons fliers posted around

their apartment complex, posted around the community.

There were even meetings - I know I attended at least

one or two of them - where families and friends

had gotten together to talk about the search.

What are they going to do next to look for them?

This was a big deal.

You couldn't really go anywhere in that community without seeing

a flier posted up somewhere.

It was concerning because it's just an average couple,

early 30-year-olds, and they just seem to have walked

out of their apartment and vanished.

Meagan and Johnny Coxie,

a married couple that have been missing

from Spartanburg County for almost a year.

The two were reported missing from Spartanburg County

in December last year.

A second couple, Charlie Carver and Kala Brown,

were last seen seven weeks ago by family and friends.

The last time Charlie Carver or Kala Brown were heard from

was in text message early last week.

Anderson Police don't know whether or not something happened to them,

but their families just want them back home.

If you think you've seen Kala Brown,

Charlie Carver, or Meagan and Johnny Coxie,

call Crimestoppers at 888-CRIMESC.

My name is Charlynn Ezell.

2010, I went to work for

the Anderson City Police Department here in South Carolina.

Charlie Carver was last seen on August 31st of 2016.

His parents made a report on September 3rd,

and Kayla's missing persons report was taken on September 5th of 2016.

The initial reports that I was given

is that patrol officers had actually made entry

into their residence, which was an apartment complex,

it was an apartment, and that their dog was there,

had no food or water, had been there for some time,

as well as things were thawing, chicken thawing on the counter.

It looked like someone was supposed to come back home

in a certain amount of time, and they had not.

Something just did not feel right about this one.

Typically, I can make phone calls

and go to different locations and things

and put pieces together like that initially

that leads me to the person,

to let me know we can close the case.

But this was not the case.

Immediately by the dog being left there for so long

and food thawing,

that was a big red flag

that we usually don't have with other missing persons cases.

You're just calling cellphones, constantly trying to, you know,

"Hey, where are you? Call me back."

Going by his apartment because he lived...

..he lived, like, less than a mile from where we lived,

so he was just up the road.

And I'd go by in different times of the day

and see if he was at home, you know,

maybe showed back up, didn't call,

but, uh...you know, just a lot of unanswered questions.

You know, you go through all the different emotions.

You're upset, you want answers.

The police won't give you answers

because they're doing an investigation,

and at that time, everybody's a suspect.

I got frustrated, because I was like,

"OK, we need to do more. You know what?

"You know, tell me what you're doing,"

and we didn't get those answers.

We call for what's called search warrants.

We take those to a judge,

and we give them what evidence we have

that we believe these people have indeed gone missing.

With phone search warrants,

since we do not have the actual handset

that would tell us a lot more information,

we have phone records that will tell us locations.

Most cellphones ping every couple of minutes off towers

without even realising it,

wherever you go, so the locations are there.

Text messages, Facebook messages,

any kind of messaging apps.

Some of the first search warrants that came through

were phone search warrants.

We were able to pull up different locations

that we found that they were on that day together,

and we found that they made their way to Moore, South Carolina.

And there were just dozens and dozens of pings

from both of their cellphones

on a piece of property that was a 95-acre farm.

And the phones had been there all day long,

so we knew, that, you know, we had something there.

I recalled a tip that had come in, I believe, on Crime Stoppers,

someone had called it in

and said that Kayla and David were buried

on a 95-acre farm in Spartanburg.

So when I put those two things together,

we were very interested in this property.

The further we went into the investigation,

we started hearing rumours about a piece of property.

And I'm like...

I didn't know anybody in Spartanburg per se

that wasn't family

and had never heard of this piece of property.

I was present at the meeting when we first met with Anderson

and in working the case,

they had come up with some information

with their investigation that could have led with Todd Kohlhepp.

They wanted to try to do some searches

the first time we met with them, but we didn't have quite enough.

Yeah, they had location of their phones in the area of the farm.

That's all we had.

And a lot of times with historical cellphone records,

they're not going to give you an exact location.

They will tell you, OK, this tower, this sector.

So far from that sector or that tower,

but that could be 1,600 metre radius.

So you're looking at a mile each direction.

That's a huge area.

We were all waiting at that point

for Facebook and Messenger to come back.

Immediately, I knew that I had something big

once we had those messages between Kohlhepp and Kala Brown.

She had known him for years, she met him years prior.

About a week before, she needed some money,

and she offered for her and her boyfriend Charlie

to go to the property and do some work for Kohlhepp,

cleaning up the properties and things like that for money.

And we actually had messages all the way up to the morning of.

They were communicating of where to go, where to meet.

She and Charlie went to his house,

and Kohlhepp took them from there to the property.

At that point, he became my number-one suspect.

They look up Todd Kohlhepp, realise he's a real estate agent.

They also find out that he was a registered sex offender.

He had served 15 years in prison as a teen for raping a girl,

and at that point they start doing surveillance on the property.

They do a flyover in the county helicopter.

They wanted to see if they could see Charlie's car from above,

since his car was still missing.

That's what they were driving when they disappeared.

They couldn't see it,

but they did notice that there was a garage

and a couple shipping containers on the land.

During this time, someone had taken over Charlie's Facebook page

and was making dozens of statements on Facebook.

So during that time, I had a lot of things to investigate,

to make sure that they weren't, in fact,

just wanting to be left alone.

There was something with a quote from an Eagles song,

Hotel California.

There were things just kind of alluding

that something wasn't right.

Then someone gets on his Messenger and starts messaging people.

Family and friends said, "This isn't right."

This is not Charlie - the person had bad grammar,

they could tell this wasn't him typing.

Certain family members kept saying, "Well, if it's you,

"just video call us right now so we can see you.

"All we want to know is that you're OK."

The person would never do it.

So you have all these strange messages coming from his page.

You have strange, very cryptic Facebook posts popping up.

That just became a bigger issue,

and I think even drew the interest in this case even more,

because people just knew something just wasn't right.

I go back to Spartanburg County

to see, at that point, if I have enough evidence

for the judge to sign a search warrant for the property.

And I want to go talk with Kohlhepp,

so my plan was to have two search warrants,

one for Kohlhepp's home...

..and one for the property.

And I wanted, that morning that I went,

to wake Kohlhepp up

so he would not be able to get a phone call

from neighbours of the Moore property

or anything like that to maybe tip him off

that I was going to send a crew over there.

So at that point we had a date, it was going to be November 3rd.

We were going to wake him up that morning,

and at the same time, as soon as he comes to the door,

we were going to execute the search warrant on the property.

When we woke Kohlhepp up that morning

and I got him to the door,

I had very specific questions that I wanted to ask him.

So when I started questioning Kohlhepp,

he acted and appeared like he had no clue what was going on,

and I started asking him the very specific questions

on what happened, when was the last time he saw them,

how long they stayed on the property.

He continued to talk, he continued to tell me everything

which was opposite of what I already knew.

I signalled for the detective off site

that this is going to be our guy, this is going to be the one,

and he knows a whole lot more than what he's telling us.

Based on the fact that you were the last person to see them,

they had contacted us for an assisting an agency report, OK?

And through that, as a standard practice,

we follow the lines... Yes, sir. ..like she explained.

And they did the search warrants, OK?

With the cellphones and everything.

And based on information,

and that's what I was just talking to was my supervisor,

based on the information that we received,

and that he's received, we have a search warrant, OK? OK.

For your residence and your car. OK. OK?

We are mainly looking for your cellphone, OK?

I had another person that was on the case with me,

to assist me,

and he called me while I was inside the residence.

He kept saying, "We hear something, we hear something.

"We hear a tapping."

I don't know, at that point, I have no clue what he's talking about.

I'm like, "OK, I don't know what you're talking about,

"but if you get something, let me know."

Because...I never expected to find anyone alive.

I was expecting two bodies on this property somewhere

at that point in my mind.

Watch out, y'all move.

Sheriff's Office! Sheriff's Office!

I got it, watch out, boss.

Hey, Joey.

Joey! Sheriff's Office!

What? Back up there.

Are you OK? Do you have any weapons?

Coming through, OK? What's your name?

Just the girl! Just the girl. How are you, honey?

Where are the bolt cutters? He's a paramedic.

We're going to get you out of there. Just hang loose for me.

I need a handcuff key, handcuff key.

I got it right here. Hold up.

We got to let him get pictures, let him get pictures.

You can put your hands down, sweetheart.

You're OK, we're here, OK?

I got a second phone call from the property

saying that they found Kayla and she was chained in a box.

She had been tapping.

I could not believe that she was alive.

All right, this is where we're at, Mr Kohlhepp.

While we were here, all right,

my sergeant served a search warrant on your property.

OK? We have Kayla.

Excuse me?

We have Kayla.

In your property.

She was locked in a container, OK?

When Todd Kohlhepp was finally caught,

in other words, they found the last victim,

who was still alive, they had him, and he knew there's no way out it,

it didn't bother him, because he's not afraid of the consequences.

He knew it was the next step.

I've seen several offenders over the years do that,

where they, "OK, so I'm going to be caught,

"now what's the next step? I can play games with them."

But the fear factor is not there.

For him, it was, "OK, let's do this."

OK, why did you lock her in a container on your property?

I don't know what you're talking about.

She's on your property right now, locked in a container.

They just got her out of a... they called it a...

Shipping container? Conex box.

She was locked in a container, in a Conex box.

They got her, we have investigators,

we have like 20 investigators on your property right now.

OK.

And they have found her in the Conex box.

So she never left your property.

The calmness that Todd displayed during the arrest,

and after immediately, is power, control.

Now he has commanded the attention of the authorities,

they need him, because they're trying to find the details,

they're trying to find the answers, the bodies.

It's like a spotlight moment for him.

So you're saying you didn't lock her up?

You didn't put her in a Conex box or anything?

No, sir.

I'm going to need an attorney.

Probably a good thing.

Go ahead and put him in the back of your car.

Sir. Get him up.

Yes, sir, I will in a second, I'm not resisting. OK.

Just stand up for me. Will you...? Stand up for me. Yes, sir, mm-hm.

I got a call from my news director that day,

and she was hysterical.

"The girl that's been missing, the couple,

"they've just found the girl in a shipping container.

"You need to get in right now, and we need you live."

I was completely shocked.

I didn't expect that either of them would be found alive, honestly,

because they'd been missing for so long

and it was so out of their character.

I think the entire community had that reaction.

Everyone was shocked.

The fact that she was being held in a container alive for two months,

and it's their neighbourhood real-estate agent that did it?

It was completely jaw dropping.

People were just floored.

"How could this happen in my small town?"

I got a call saying that from the minute they opened the Conex

and were able to get it opened and found Kala,

that they recorded everything that she said

and that they were taking her by ambulance,

still recording her on the iPad, to the local hospital.

And I immediately asked the other detective that was with me,

"Can you get me there as fast as you can?"

I felt like I just wanted to be there

when the doors of the ambulance opened.

So he got me there as soon as possible,

and when they opened the doors, one of the investigators

from Spartanburg County Sheriff's Office said,

"This is Charlynn Ezell from Anderson Police Department.

"She's the one who found you. You need to thank her."

And she just cried and just, "Thank you, thank you..."

And she didn't stop.

I never dreamed,

at any point in this investigation,

that it would turn out like this.

Good afternoon. We are breaking into programming now

because we have new developments in the investigation

into a missing Anderson County woman found in Woodruff yesterday.

We have learned today that

a body has been found on that property.

Sheriff Chuck Wright said yesterday

it is possible they could be dealing with a serial killer in this case.

We did find a body in a shallow grave

on this piece of property around ten this morning.

So, I mean, I...I wanted to confirm that we did find a body.

I heard that they had found a body but no-one had touched it.

It looked like a body had been buried there.

I made my way out to where the body at that time had been found.

And that's when it started to break a little bit for me,

as far as the human side of it.

And thinking if this were my son.

I had a son several years younger than Charlie,

and I really I started reading all these statements,

and it was so...I couldn't be hardened to it any more.

It's tough.

Yeah.

I was actually at home

when I received the phone call.

And when they called me, I was in shock.

I mean, at the time, I thought that he was alive,

cos they didn't tell me anything.

They just said, "We need to take you to Woodruff, South Carolina,"

which is close to where the 100 acres was.

And so I called my wife, and I told Julie,

I said, "They found him."

I said, "You need to come home from work,

"and the police are picking us up."

At that point, we sat there for hours not knowing anything.

And...once they had us all there,

they told us that...

..he was on the property, but they didn't...

..that they didn't think it was that he was alive.

And that was a hard day.

32 years old, whole life in front of him.

One night, I came home to see my husband.

It had been a while,

and I tried to go to bed

probably around 11, midnight, somewhere around in there.

And I woke back up a few hours later,

and I went back to the property.

I just felt better on the property, and I can't explain that.

But I know, as a mother, if my son had been missing for two months

and we were that close...

..it just felt wrong.

I just kind of sat vigil, I guess, until the sun came up that morning.

You've dug into someone's life for two months,

and it's the weirdest feeling like you know that person

and I've never met him.

He was a good man.

He was a really good man.

I don't want people to forget him.

He loved his parents, he loved his siblings,

and, uh...he was a really good man.

And it's, uh...it's tough when

they're just so good and they...

..they die so senselessly, you know?

So...

When something like this happens and a Todd Kohlhepp shows up

and they realise he's actually

a mass-murderer and serial killer both, that's huge,

I mean, this is the talk of the town forever.

20 years from now, they'll look back and it's like it happened yesterday.

That puts him on the map, if you will.

Not in a good way, but it puts them on the map.

It's hard to even fathom

that I'm covering a case about a couple that went missing,

and then it turns into tons of webs, it just goes all over the place.

I mean, it goes back years and years and years.

And just to know that someone who was just hiding in plain sight

was the person responsible.

Have you ever been sitting in your car

and you got ready to go and pull out into a lane?

You didn't, and then right away, a big ol' truck passes you by?

I think we all have come within seconds

of making a decision that would change our life forever.

And we can think all day long,

"Oh, I could have died if I pulled out there."

I think a lot of people were kind of traumatised

that this guy was doing this right here in their town.

And Todd, because he worked with so many other realtors

and had all the different people that would come and fix the houses,

Todd knew a ton of people,

like everyone in the sort of Spartanburg area

had a Todd Kohlhepp story.

They'll tell you how like there was like these little weird things,

but nothing that ever said, you know, "You're a murderer."

I remember a lot of... people coming out to the property.

At that point, it was almost a spectacle,

like nothing had ever happened in South Carolina

like that at that point.

So many women came by and said,

"Oh, my gosh, this could have been me,

"because he wanted my free kittens from Facebook."

He was reaching out to all these different people.

I guess maybe transients, like the Coxies were at one point,

and asking them for... if they had free things,

he would ask them to bring it to that property.

By that time, I thought...

"How many more has he killed over these years

"where he was silent and nobody picked up on him?

"How many more have there been?"

The investigators, as they were looking into the case,

looking at social media,

looking at everything that he had done online,

they found these Amazon reviews that he had posted.

They were items like a shovel,

locks, a multi-pack of locks.

And he had posted all of these very cryptic comments about them.

People thought that they were these funny reviews,

but it's kind of crazy when you think about it,

that this was actually what he was buying these items for.

It was almost as if Todd's Amazon reviews

were foreshadowing the actual murders he was committing.

For example, he left an Amazon review for a lock...

..that was then used to lock Kala in the container.

He left a review for a shovel...

..that he used to dig a grave for her boyfriend, Charlie.

So if one were to go through each Amazon review,

it was almost unbelievable

how much they connected to each one of his crimes.

And for me, the most chilling was the Hotel California,

because when you really listen to the lyrics at the end,

"you can check out, but you can never leave,"

and to see that he had actually put that in an Amazon reviews,

and it's a review for five locks

that were actually on the shipping container on his land.

And then you remember that Charlie Carver had those same lyrics

on his Facebook after he had gone missing

and someone was on his account posting all of these things.

That, to me was the most mind boggling thing.

For some reason, the Hotel California

"You could check out, you could never leave,"

really always stuck with me,

because that's really what happened to Charlie Carver and the Coxies.

They got out there, but they had no chance of ever leaving.

A lot of people will say things that...

..they say very nonchalantly, as a joke, whatever,

but that are dead on true to their life.

So it's a way to confess without confessing,

because there's a lot of people

that just have to brag about everything they do.

Well, obviously kidnaping and killing people

is not something you just go around bragging to everybody about.

So, you know, I think it was a way

for him to be able to put it out there

without...putting it out there.

Investigators are looking for more

bodies on the property of an alleged serial killer in South Carolina.

Authorities say Kohlhepp may have even killed more people,

and they're now looking at him as a serial killer.

Teams continue to search the 95-acre property

for more human remains.

Kohlhepp has been charged with kidnapping,

with more charges expected.

With the information that Kala was able to give,

we had reason to believe

that there were two other bodies on that property.

We started looking at any place that had been dug,

and we could not find where Kala thought the bodies were buried.

So at one point, Spartanburg County

brought Kohlhepp back out to the property

so he could point it out, and he did.

And that's when the Coxies were found.

As soon as Todd is arrested,

he's brought in and he's interrogated,

and he admits to these murders pretty quickly.

While Todd is being interrogated, that's a show for him.

That is such a narcissist's dream.

A narcissist's dream is to be needed,

to have the attention of everyone.

Now he's famous in a way.

He's done these things,

and not only did he do these crimes, but in his mind,

he almost feels as though the police should applaud him,

because of how quickly he was able to kill the people.

He certainly thought of himself as an expert when it comes to guns,

and I think he also thought of himself as an expert

when it comes to using guns on people.

So the way that he would talk about committing these murders,

especially when people were shot, he was proud of his own work.

He thought that it was exhibiting his expertise,

just like how he was proud of

how good he was at being a real-estate agent.

To him, those two things were one and the same.

Throughout the interrogation,

he enjoyed the game-playing with the interviewers.

He knew where it was going to go.

He always knew where it was going to go.

But he liked the game.

"What's in it for me?

"What might I get out of this if we keep to keep talking?

"Maybe I make a deal with you for something.

"You might be able to help me out in some way,

"get a lesser sentence."

It's a way of playing games.

The 13th anniversary

of one of the most notorious unsolved crimes in the Upstate,

the Superbike murders.

Four people died that day at a motorsports business in Chesnee.

Four people were brutally murdered in a Spartanburg County business.

The Superbike Murders, as they were called, are still unsolved.

There have been nearly 800 leads for the Superbike motorsports killings,

but no-one's been caught.

It was that Saturday that Todd Kohlhepp reinitiated contact.

One of the investigators, Tom Clark, used to live

in the same apartment complex that Todd did when Superbike happened.

And he would do sex offender checks,

and Todd was on the sex offender registry from his crime in Arizona.

So they were familiar with each other from that.

And at the jail that Saturday,

Todd reinitiated contact with Tommy through a detention officer.

And that's what got them talking again.

Tommy calls me and says, "He says he will give us Superbike."

I said OK, he said but he wants to be able to talk to his mom.

I said, well, I don't think that will be a big issue,

getting him on the phone with his mom.

I said, before we do anything for him,

if he's saying that, go to him and ask him to tell you

something that only we would know or the person that did it.

So he called me back just a few minutes later

and he said he used two different types of ammunition,

and he was able to give the brands of ammunition

and what he says were the weight grains

of the projectiles of the ammunition.

So it was fairly evident then

that he knew what he was talking about.

He had too much knowledge

that only the investigators or the person that did it would know.

And there's no doubt that he is the person that did Superbike

and killed those four people.

We received a press release that the Sheriff's Office

was going to have a press conference later that day

about some new developments in the case involving Todd Kohlhepp.

At this point, media from all over the world

had arrived in Spartanburg County, South Carolina.

The property in Woodruff was lined with reporters,

cameras as far as you could see.

It was a scene that no-one has ever seen,

obviously, in that town.

They were all waiting to find out

what else is going to come out of this.

It was a huge deal,

but we didn't know what was going to be announced

until we sent our crew out there that day.

The sheriff, you know, didn't say.

No-one had any idea it would be that.

My family was walking out of a movie theatre,

my husband and my kids,

and Detective Lachica called me from South Carolina,

and he said, "I have something I need to discuss with you.

"It is really important, I need you to be home in an hour."

I just thought, "What a weird call."

When they called back, he said,

"Melissa, we got him."

And I said, "Got who?"

Like it wasn't...

I had no idea what they were talking about.

And he said, "We have a man who's confessed

"to killing the Superbike people."

And I said, "What?!"

"Who is..." You know, "Just who is this?"

And then he just started going into...

He said, "I don't know if you've been watching the news,

"but there's a girl that had gone missing out here,"

and I had been watching the news

and I had been paying attention to that,

because it was in the same county.

I was shocked when I found out it was the exact same guy,

and that he had told her while he held her captive,

that he had murdered four people

at a motorcycle dealership over a decade ago

and they had never caught him.

Back in 2003, on Parris Bridge Road,

there were four members of Spartanburg County society

brutally murdered.

Scott Ponder was killed,

Beverly Guy was killed,

Mr Brian Lucas was killed,

and Chris "Shoobie" Sherbert was killed.

We signed four warrants on Todd Kohlhepp today

with a confession that he did this crime.

Praise the Lord! That's right.

So he does confess to all seven murders,

and the police then offer him a plea deal -

if he pleads guilty,

that he will be able to avoid the death penalty.

The plea hearing was about a year and a half later.

We didn't really have a lot of new information.

They were really kind of staying closed-lipped about everything.

So we didn't know anything about what was going to come out of it,

none of the details or anything, until that day.

Todd Kohlhepp is set to appear in Spartanburg County Court

this morning for a plea hearing,

but the details on the plea have not been released.

This morning, dozens of people came face-to-face,

many for the first time,

with the man who ripped their families apart.

We are covering this story from all angles today.

When he went in that day for his sentencing,

it was, for many of the families,

the first time that they were seeing him

and the first time that they got to address him.

And so it was an extremely emotional day.

I was there that day, I was in the courtroom.

Hearing the family members of the victims,

that was very profound, to hear what they had to say.

Some of them had years to process this,

and the others had had just over a year

to come to terms with what happened.

But they all faced him,

and he just sat there stoically with no emotion at all.

People were sort of burying years of pain to him,

telling them about their horrific losses.

And Todd seemed to show zero remorse,

Closure is hell.

It's very difficult to get closure

when you've lost a loved one, lost a child,

lost a brother or a sister or a parent.

I mean, it scars you forever.

I mean, you're still going to have that in your soul,

and they want to be able to move on with their life.

But there's no really moving on.

You're always going to have that scar on your soul,

and the disbelief that...

I mean, your disbelief in humanity,

that you're never going to be the same when you lose a loved one.

You'll never be the same.

I just don't think that there's ever any closure

when you've had somebody taken from you that you didn't want gone.

There's not a good reason to take a human life.

But I feel peace in knowing that...

..we did all the things that we needed to do

in order to see this through,

and that I can still talk about Scott and Beverly,

and I can celebrate them,

and that my son has people that left this earth

that he can be really proud of.

We should be focusing on the victims.

This is what this is about.

And historically, it's always... we've kind of ignored them.

These are people who have families, they have relatives, loved ones.

And they have no voice, and victims deserve a voice.

How do they have a say in what's happening,

the outcomes for people?

I think people who survive these types of horrific things

have a right to have a greater voice in the courts.

I think that's really important.

Scott's personality was one that, once he got to know you,

he would do some funny things.

He was very, very good

at doing the Michael Jackson kick and crotch grab and the moonwalk,

and it was the funniest thing you've ever seen.

But he had to know you first and be comfortable around you

before he would do something like that.

That's one of the funniest things he's ever done,

but he was also the type that was joking around all the time.

Like his whole environment, the business.

It was just a light-hearted, joking-around type of an atmosphere,

and that's just who he was, you know? He liked to have fun.

I think that his personality was one

that people felt very comfortable around him.

I think, honestly, that's why he was so...successful in his business.

They would come in,

and he immediately made people feel comfortable and right at home,

and I think that's why his death is such a tragedy.

Little things that you see or happen, uh...

..remind you they're there, you know?

The first time we went out to...the property,

they let us on the property,

they were actually getting ready

to do an auction on the stuff from the property,

and we were walking around,

and there was a butterfly that landed on me.

And the auctioneer said, he said, "That butterfly just hangs out."

He said, "It's landed on my stuff."

I hope they remember him for the person he was.

You know, it's one of those...

..that you hope...

..goodness comes out of it.

Um...

It's one of those things

where you hope people remember the good sides, the good things,

which I think they will, you know, he was a good guy.

I think what we see with Todd's story is that...

..it is very possible to, one, be a serial killer, to be a criminal,

and at the same time have a whole different dimension

of your personality that is socially acceptable.

It is disturbing,

because it really gives you an idea of what lives among us

in our neighbourhoods and our communities

all over the country, all over the world.

Which means that we don't often know

what people are dealing with internally,

which also means we don't know

what's going to trigger them to act in criminal ways.

We think that all murderers are like, "Aaagh,"

and they look like a murderer,

when in fact most look nothing of the sort.

Most live normal lives, most do normal things.

But they also kill people.

With my children,

I never hid scary shows

or movies or things like that from them.

I would teach them, "This is all make-believe."

You know, "This is not real."

You know, "There's no monsters under your bed,

"there's no monsters in the closet."

Monsters are people that look like you and me.

They walk around out here with everybody else.

Those are the real monsters in the world.

Not this make-believe stuff.

There's more than him out there.

And there's been examples for centuries.

And, you know, I just hope that everybody will...

..pay attention to warning signs

and, you know, not become a victim if they can help it.

Sometimes you just can't help it.