All language subtitles for WITCH - We Intend to Cause Havoc - (2019) - HDTV-1080p - 2.0

Searching for a place at the shore to hide
my face, and lying for two nights.

A few years before holding these dusty
records in my hands for the first time,

a friend sent me a song
called Strange Dream that had

been recorded in 1975 by a
Zambian band called Witch.

The music and the
album cover created an

atmosphere in my mind that
completely blew me away.

I had no idea where Zambia was,
or how such incredible music could have

been recorded there by what looked like a
bunch of misfits.

It turned out that Witch was actually part
of a whole scene called Zamrock,

which mixed traditional African rhythms
with heavy psychedelic rock, and was just

beginning to be heard
outside of Zambia thanks

to a few dedicated
labels reissuing the music.

In July 2014, while I was shooting a
session with Yakko Gardner in his band,

I got a call from some
friends asking me to join

them on a cross-continental
expedition across Africa.

The moment I found out that on the journey
I was about to embark on we would be

passing through Zambia, and I knew I had
to find out more about Zamrock and Witch.

I did some research and discovered that
most of the musicians from the time had

died, with the members of
Witch being no exception, apart

from their lead singer Jaggery,
who was now a gemstone miner.

This is Zambia, here, deep in the heart of
Africa.

There it comes.

There it comes.

There it comes now.

Introduction.

Introduction.

All the Witch.

All the Witch.

How do you get

the pimps under on their base?

Get a king, Belanga, on their grounds.

That mad boy, Zincala.

Zidachi, Vokos, Chanda.

Inspired by my ever-growing passion for
his music and fascination for his person,

I made it my prerogative
to try and get Jaggery

and Witch the
recognition they deserved.

After having come back
from my African expedition,

Yako, his drummer
Nick and I kept in touch.

They were increasingly curious about
African music from the 1970s and wanted to

experience it firsthand, so
I invited them to Zambia to

explore one of the continent's
most unique sub-genres.

I'm just really curious how we connect.

We are from totally different
backgrounds, the music

and stuff, but we like the
same things, apparently.

Yeah, because of the
influence that are similar in witch,

like the Black Sabbath and
stuff that we also really like.

And then also, we're getting a lot into
African music as well.

That's more African sounding.

The witch was Jaggery at one time.

Because everybody who went to watch the
witch, because Jaggery was idle,

he would not appear on stage.

He would agree with them at the time when
he...

and he would start to be playing
something.

They're playing and from nowhere,
Jaggery would run in.

And how he runs in, that's another.

And then he picks up the microphones.

There I was expecting Jaggery to be
playing using four microphones.

They were thinking, why give you four
microphones?

They don't understand.

I understand.

And those who were in Jaggery's time would
understand.

Because he would sing from that one,
that one, that one.

This one, he throws up and Jaggery was
Jaggery.

His legs were swift and faster, and
you think he's going to break his legs?

Jaggery is actually crazier than me.

Having seen only about five photographs of
witch, but having heard that they were all

over TV in the 70s, I went to Zanis,
the state-owned television company,

which supposedly kept a 16-millimeter
archive.

There, archivist Milton told
me about an archive room that

hadn't been opened in 17 years
because the key had been lost.

Zambia was one of the first
countries in Southern Africa

to achieve independence
from their colonial masters.

They did so in October 1964, thanks to the
efforts of Dr. Kenneth Kaunda,

who as a follower of
Gandhi freed the country

from British dominion
largely through nonviolence.

Zambia's initially wealthy economy
depended on copper and quickly became an

example as a progressive and newly
liberated African country.

However, in the early 70s, when copper
prices dropped and a one-party rule was

imposed by the president, Zambia started
heading towards a crisis.

Between state documentaries and didactical
films, I finally found the music section.

But you see that here we have a few music
times.

Oh, the music time is the same as time for
music.

Which were here, right?

Cool, I can't wait to see what's in there.

That's James Brown.

That scene, I'm not
really going to say anything

until we see some
pictures on that screen.

Never seen before footage of James Brown
performing in Zambia in 1970.

His visit was something
that Zambians took close to

their hearts, both in
political and musical terms.

Still, no which to be found.

It appeared that the band either played
live or that if it was taped and the

president went to, say, Uganda the next
week, it would have been taped over.

Nonetheless, mentioned Zamrock to Inazuma
and anybody that lived its time,

and this will happen.

This music actually inspired me.

Rocks me off.

Breaks me off.

A lot of dancing.

You could see people like this with high
heels, shoes and bell-bottom trousers.

And do the boogaloo one time.

I got it.

Jagger was actually a model to us.

So amazing, all some stuff.

Jagger would perform sympathy for the
devil, and he would go wild.

The stage used to be small for him.

The rhythm section would kill him.

You'd have something going on.

The drummer used to roll in there.

The bassist giving you
everything, and then maybe when

they start dancing now,
everybody would draw in it.

Now it was, you become part of,
we intend to cause havoc.

If you were Jagger Richard at that time,
if you were known as Jagger Richard,

then you were a big star.

Which were actually the most feared band.

When they are in town, it would mean after
20 hours, you will not have any people.

They would have all gone to the witch.

Everybody would be waiting for Jagger
here.

Then when it happens to come, they will be
a music again that you bring him on stage.

Jumping on stage,
going this way, taking mics

somewhere there, passing
up somewhere there.

Yes.

I can imagine that he's really excited as
well, that after so many years,

people are unexpectedly putting a lot of
effort in...

in documenting this part of his life.

That his music is still alive.

I can imagine that maybe he thought it was
already forgotten.

Or maybe he almost
feels like it's bringing it

back from the dead or
something, from the music.

It's cool, because
we listened a lot to his

music and now we see
the man behind the music.

Yeah.

It's like meeting Paul McCartney of
Africa.

Yeah, exactly.

It's gonna be a really...

I hope I don't get
too... Starstruck.

We should be all right.

Jagger will come with the tone trousers.

Sorry for that.

One short time, whatever.

Jagger will jump from some tall buildings.

Jagger will... Jagger
will do anything.

I never saw him jump into the bathtub.

But if the bathtub was closer to what
Jagger would... Jagger would do anything.

But in that, he would be seen.

That's another trademark of Jagger.

Jagger was with a dull person to watch.

Good to see you.

Yeah, yeah.

Well done.

Jagger?

Yes.

Hi.

I guess this is Nick.

Nice to meet you, too.

Nice to meet you, too.

Wow.

The man himself.

You okay?

Yes, how are you?

All right, thank you.

I've heard so much about you.

Just great.

Yeah?

Pleasure.

Indeed.

The more time I spent with Jaggery,
the more I started to get to know both of

Lamboy and Rockstar from the 1970s and the
present-day religious devotee.

These two personalities would often have
to fight internal battles between what

felt right and what had been
indoctrinated.

Leaving a man whose dreams had been jaded
by the circumstances around him.

His musical dreams had almost vanished
into memories, and he often spent two

weeks or more in near solitude at an
amethyst mine six hours drive south of

Lusaka, digging and hoping
to find a streak that would

help his family make it
through to the end of the month.

Jaggery was up there,
I mean, the whole witch

band, you know, they
were extremely popular.

I mean, they were extremely popular.

They drew crowds, you
know, the packed auditoriums,

you know, they were
the happening band.

You know, if you didn't know who they
were, then...

After independence,
what was Southern Odisha

then, which is in Balboa,
declared UDI in 1965.

That created a lot of tensions.

But Zambia was also right
in the middle of countries

that were all still
fighting for their liberation.

So we had Angola and Mozambique,
Southern Odisha.

These were colonies.

Zambia was never a colony, it was a
territory.

So their struggles were much more violent
and much more prolonged than ours.

And so that sometimes meant that we actually
had to fire a few shots across borders.

And a couple of times, this country was
bombed.

So when those kind of things happened,
normally the government would declare curfew.

And that meant that you had to be inside
your house.

Everything blacked
out from six o'clock in

the evening until six
o'clock in the morning.

We were constantly on alert.

That did affect...

The first one person was John.

I think John or Paul, the keyboard player,
died in Kitwe.

Paul died in Mansa.

Gidon died in Tanzania
because when he lost his

mind, at one point I took
him to a mental hospital.

But I was only allowed to be a guardian
for 14 days.

They couldn't allow me to represent his
family.

And so I got in touch with the family and
they came and took him back to Tanzania.

Then Boyd died.

Chris was the last one to die.

I was expecting Chris to outlive me
because he never drank, he never smoked.

He was a very sober, serious musician.

When we went to record in South Africa,
sometimes they found me drinking,

watching TV or something.

They kept saying, you should stop drinking,
you know why God has preserved our lives.

Eventually I was left alone from the
original setup of the band.

Initially it was just a switch on the
broom street, flying at night.

Accompanied by other wizards and witches.

Then we called ourselves witch and dead.

Before a graphic artist was writing
something on our car.

We said, no, we can use this as an
acronym.

We intend to cause havoc.

The center fan hysteria there was such
that the hall where the boys played at its

roof, ripped off as exuberant fans tried
to find their way through the windows,

walls and everywhere.

It should be unfair for me to give the tag
on my friends.

As having died of AIDS, because I'm not a
qualified physician, I never saw their

death certificates to read the cause of
death.

But while I've said that, it's also true
that during that time, it took long for

people to realize and try to look after
themselves.

It took a long time to realize that this
courage is serious.

I never intended to become a physician.

At one time, I considered
being a soldier until I learned

that if you wanted to be a
soldier, you cut your afro.

That discouraged me.

So I said, no, I don't want to cut my afro
and things like that.

I'm trying to find a house for my old,
old, old friend.

His name is George Condan, but we called
him Groovy Joe.

He was the first drummer
for the witch and also is

the man that actually
put me into serious music.

And so you are so fat now.

What's going on?

You are thin.

Why?

I don't know.

I don't understand why you are fat and why
I'm...

Baby like a chicken in
the kitchen You look like

a chicken, baby Baby
like a chicken in the basket

Yes, you can still remember it.

I wanted the band to succeed, but when I
left, he carried on.

But look at us.

What's this in the head?

We used to have afros.

You've got that too.

You're still keeping this thing?

Yeah.

The same influence?

Some sweet leave.

I think... Beautiful, man.

I'm happy to go home indeed.

Yes, that's very good.

I wish the whole band was alive.

We would have demonstrated what Sam Rock
was and things at its peak.

But you can't always get what you want.

So the old songs go on.

The pity, but at least there are two of us
alive.

One day we should find the way...
of how we can maneuver around.

Something will come up, I'm quite sure.

It can't just end here.

This is a new beginning.

You have grandchildren and you call
yourself boys again and again.

My grandchildren sometimes call me a boy.

But we are not boys.

We are not boys, yes.

We are no more boys.

But it feels great to be in your company.

I feel much younger.

I'm sure it's going to take me a couple of
hours before I fall asleep.

I'll be imagining I'm still with you.

It's

your peace to you.

First show actually was not our own show.

Black souls were famous in town.

So we asked if we could allow us two or
three songs.

And they agreed to that.

I guess that was the mistake on their
part.

We just sang about three or four songs and
the manager said, oh, you have to stop.

Everybody would say, no, let them to play.

We wanted to do it.

It was now Kingston Market changing to The
Witch.

By that time.

I remember maybe in the whole area of
Chimuemui, only two families at TV said.

Until some people were telling me,
hey, you sing like Mick Jagger.

And then my name just went Jagger,
Jagger.

And I said, how can I run away from... I
don't want to be in somebody's shadow.

So I said, okay, suppose I put a Y to
Jagger.

It became Jaggery.

So I went to the dictionary and I found
Jaggery is that brown sugar.

If you remember, we used to put sugar on a
pan and make our own sweets, they're brown.

So I said, oh, this is Jaggery.

I don't mind being Jaggery, because this
is different from that person.

We were supposed to be doing an album
Peie.

And we didn't want the albums to sound the
same.

So sometimes I would get on a train from
Kitwe to Ndola.

Now I start trying to say it.

You could make some sound out of that.

You can arrange that towards the end of
the song.

You could change to that.

Or when you're changing to another feel,
you could probably slow the rhythm down.

After I was satisfied
with the rhythm, then I

would look for a vinyl
record that is scratched.

Okay, either it's scratched or I change
the speed.

And now I'm giving the secrets of
composition.

And I would put the stylus.

I didn't care.

I used an old stylus and put it there.

You

produced your first album.

The first time that we had the first music
by Zambians.

It was really amazing.

And you could go to these guys who own
this record player, you know, play back.

And you could hang around the witch dances
those days.

I used to laugh at your mashed potatoes.

Then my son would say, Can you call that a
man?

Tell us what it means.

Singering.

Singering.

The rock in Zamrock was heavily inspired
by the British invasion bands of the 60s,

who in turn were obsessed with Chicago
blues musicians, many of whom in the 40s

had emigrated north from the cotton
plantations, and whose ancestors had been

brought over by slave
ships from Africa, a

century-long full circle of
musical bastardizations.

It was easier for me to walk from there
and go to Evelynon College.

That's where I was teaching.

You guys are very good at harmonies and
things like that.

Very special arrangements.

But to us, rhythm comes naturally.

We have small things that fascinate you.

Enough time has passed for me to move on.

As long as the witch music keeps resounding,
the memories of them will never fade.

I have a family and there's no way I can
pass a day without thinking about my family.

I've been blessed by God.

I rarely go to hospital,
unless there's a bomb that will

just explode one day and
then send me to the ground.

One time I tried, I brought a bulldozer
here.

You see those big, big rocks?

It pushed from those pits there.

This is a byproduct of that stuff.

You put it on the fire to...

I don't believe my talents are in mining.

It's just some circumstances that forced
me to come and do these things.

I was introduced to mining by my late
nephew.

And when I lost my job, I still question
that.

I don't know whether it's God's will that
I should be mining, but I'm more

comfortable teaching music or creating it
and performing it.

I never lived with my parents most of my
life.

I only lived with my parents
maybe the first seven

or eight years of my life
before I started school.

My older brother asked
that I should come here

where there was better
education facilities.

I had no idea where I was going and what
was happening.

I was going to school.

It was quite young.

It was a big contrast.

In the villages, I was
only able to associate

myself with the music
scenes a few times.

Once when they killed the lion, and you
know, to them it was a very big achievement.

So they had songs for that, war songs.

So they could dance
around that lion to the

big lion and then they
would open its mouth.

You could see the teeth in there and that
has never faded from my memory.

And then also in the village, you grew up
quicker because you are given

responsibilities to kill the lion and
things like that.

An incredible thing to happen,
to have a record by a Zambian

band and it was a real
revelation for the rest of us.

It was kind of opening a doorway that
nobody had kind of peeped through before.

You could actually go to the...

you know, there were certain stalls that
you could buy these records from and you

could go and buy this record and play and
hear these people.

I think what was different is because you
could actually see them, you knew them.

It wasn't you listening to the Rolling
Stones or something.

You were actually listening to a band with
people who were singing in your language.

People were dressing like them.

People were dancing like them and trying
to sing like them.

It really opened up and out so that people
just felt like these guys can do it,

we can do it, and inspired a lot of other
people to actually just jump on stage and

grab a guitar and actually start doing
that as well.

So, you know, you suddenly get all these
rock bands coming up.

If Jaggery was the Mick Jagger of Zambia,
Victor Casoma of the Oscillations was

widely regarded as the country's Jimi
Hendrix, a guitar freak that would only

stop shredding when he got rheumatisms in
his hands.

Having been affected by the
polio virus as a child, he was

bound by a wheelchair for
most of his life, but not on stage.

Something would just motivate me inside
and say that's not enough.

I would flip over my
chair and I would throw

out the guitar with
that aesthetic sound.

Before the sound dies down, I
would go there and do something

else, either take it with
my teeth, single by single.

I would squeeze my teeth like that and if
that is not satisfactory, I would have to

do something, anything that...
I didn't just undress, but I did.

Okay, thanks.

Hi.

Sorry, I was talking to my wife.

Sorry, can I answer my wife, please?

Of course.

Hi.

Two Torren's record players.

I'll bring you back.

This is really cool, though.

Okay, now that's all right.

I'll bring you back.

Even the paper is really old.

Is this on a Lazy Bone record from which?

That wasn't it, but at the time we
recorded that, those were there.

In fact, I'll show you the machine that
recorded Lazy Bones, trying to go...

Wow, the witch records look so cool.

This one is the...

That's the first one they did.

Wow, this is so cool.

The reissue is exactly the same,
even a little logo or something.

So how many bands have been recorded here
in the studio?

Oh, many, many, many bands.

I can't even remember.

Hundreds?

Hundreds of bands, and some of them are,
you know, dead.

All of them, some of them.

Live, you know.

But now, many, many, many.

This is the band we are talking about.

The oscillations.

Wow, the lost record everybody was looking
for.

Do you have a record player here?

That's him, Victor.

Yes, that's the one
that... Wow, that's Victor.

This is Victor.

Cool.

That's the one that... Wow.

I remember those 10 tables, actually.

Dedicated to Victor's late old queen.

We have no... Mario, Belita, Longa, Rapai,
Kunda, and to the lovely Zambian people.

Wow.

This is the machine, which recorded
the most... talked about, Lazy Bones.

It was manufactured, I think, in 1950.

And the 50s in... Yeah.

Yeah.

This thing still works?

It still works.

If we were to switch it on, it would go
on.

But since it's valves, you know, they
take at least about some time to warm up.

And, you know...

It's a pretty heavy machine.

It's like an army...
Army equipment.

And... Yeah,
this is really nice.

But it still works.

It still works.

And they're hoping that one day I'll
switch it on.

We walked over there, where you've seen
that tree, as you get into the river.

There was a raft made out of wood.

But I think over the years, it was
overgrown with weed and things.

It was amazing.

The first album was with two record...
and the two record contract was Lazy Bones.

They asked us to come and record the album
here in Osaka at DB Studios because they

understood it had better quality than
Malachite Studios.

And then, fortunately, it sold quite well.

We were told it sold about 7,000 copies in
three weeks.

You don't love me.

That's when I realized, hey, it's your
mama's leg.

You got a Lazy Bones.

Lazy Bones.

Lazy Bones.

If you're feeling depressed, low,
disturbed, irritable, out of sorts,

sad, frustrated, or wildly demented than
folks, we suggest you seek out a quiet

place, indulge in some soothing
meditation, and cut away that headache by

listening to this inspirational album
right on which...

Young man, come in.

Come in, young man.

You are the one to say, come, come,
come, come.

May I say, come in.

Come, come, come, come.

Young man, you OK?

How are you, sir?

Good to see you, boy.

Wow.

Good to see you.

I really missed you, man.

I was far, far away.

But we still talked on phone.

Nicola?

Nicola is a drummer.

Wow, wow, wow, wow.

Yako?

Pleasure.

Bass and vocals?

Yes.

He has also recorded a lot of stuff,
which we will hear later.

Wow.

The two of them will be playing with two
of us.

Somewhere, starting from tomorrow,
we go to rehearse.

When we are tired, we go home until the
repertoire is like this.

Then on Friday, we perform a concert.

Wow.

The mining I'm doing, that is not my
calling.

I went there because I hoped that I could
strike big.

Every day I wake up and I'm breathing and
I'm strong and healthy.

I see hope.

One time, when he invited me to go and
watch him play music.

When I watched him perform, oh my God,
he just took my heart.

And that's how I fell in love with him.

It was love at first sight.

What was between me and
Emanu was just... was not easy.

Because that time, there were so many
women that loved him.

The women that would follow him.

But the love that he showed was different.

He treated me like a queen.

And I treated him like a king.

I made a difference, actually.

He told me I was so young, but so
different from all the women that I've met.

It was so good.

I loved Emanu from that time.

I would watch him play music.

I was not ashamed to run on the stage,
wipe his sweat.

I would hug him and kiss him in public.

And it made him so proud and the friends
didn't like it.

But I didn't bother because something
inside me was telling me this is the one.

Even my brothers, they were
very disappointed with me

because they wanted me to
go out of the country for studies.

They thought I really brought myself low
because I went out with a musician.

They wanted me to find somebody maybe
higher than him.

Go to maybe America or UK.

Do the studies up to maybe master's degree
or something.

Then I'd marry.

But what God...
The plans, really.

God's plans are not our plans.

God's plans are not our plans.

God's plans are not our plans.

God's plans are not our plans.

God's plans are not our plans.

God's plans are not our plans.

God's plans are not our plans.

God's plans are not our plans.

God's plans are not our plans.

God's plans are not our plans.

God's plans are not our plans.

God's plans are not our plans.

We are in the hearts and follow our
feelings inwards.

Ah, this is the place.

1234.

Ah, great.

And something like that changed.

But it was almost adjustable here,
with that bako.

But even though we didn't adjust anything,
when you measured the heads.

And then it was like a flower-power thing,
okay?

The size is adjustable according to the
belt.

I think so.

I guess inches 23.

23?

Yeah.

I'm that big.

Yes.

And how big do you think the bako should
be?

About one and a half inches.

No, two maybe.

Or two?

Yeah.

Deal.

For the sake of the old, old times.

Every day there was something new that was
really funny that happened.

Yeah.

I mean, sometimes Jak and I were looking
at each other.

Like, what is happening?

Like, sometimes we don't know what's
happening.

Like, Victor is trying to play this lick,
and Jack is screaming.

And it continued so long, it kind of
slapped stick or something.

I don't know.

It took maybe 15 minutes or something.

The king is lying in the tomb.

Dear God, it's so fun to sing.

You come and get me out of this place.

Can I try it on?

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's already there for sale, or you're
just trying to design it for somebody?

Yeah, it's for sale.

It's for sale?

I can take it for sale, it's right that
way.

It's so nice to make music with people
that don't think too much about what other

people think of it, or what the rules are
or something.

See that?

All of which...

on both posts.

My new dad will be...

chowned out.

All right, please, kids.

Let's get on the guitar.

All right.

Yaku and Nick's Xambian
experience revived songs

that had been heard
live in more than 40 years.

The cat was out of the bag.

And after the concert,
they made their way back

to Europe, hoping to
explore the song further.

It really affected the
whole family, because it was

at a time when Emmanuel
and I were planning something.

Actually, we're planning to even go out of
the country or something.

It was just a victim of circumstances
because of his nephew.

So his nephew ran away.

He didn't know what he was involved in.

So they caught him, brought him home,
searched the whole house.

They threw our things, papers everywhere
in the bedrooms.

He was innocent.

He didn't know what to say.

And they took him to the police.

He was detained.

Then after some days, they took him to the
prison.

It was on TV, in the newspapers.

It was a very sad moment.

One of the saddest moments that we've ever
experienced.

Until God came through for us,
we got back together again as a family.

I was born again first before Emmanuel.

And that time, Emmanuel was still
socializing, drinking and whatever he did.

When he was fired, he had to come to
Jesus.

That's the time he said he wanted to come
to church.

I thank God because people were very
understanding.

So they didn't care about what my husband
was doing.

They cared about me.

And my pastor said it's about you.

When you pray hard, it's going to come to
Jesus.

The crime that I was accused of committed,
I didn't commit it.

I was accused of having imported drugs
from India.

I've never been to India.

And I never even saw the stuff I was
accused of having important.

I just saw some boxes in court that I was
a part of that.

I was a government employee.

So immediately they hear you are arrested.

You are put on suspension.

And the suspension took about a year,
two years or something.

You know, if you haven't done
something and you say, the

truth will come out and
they'll be set free, I'll continue.

And then it didn't come out that way.

My family was scattered.

We were squatting with people and so many
bad things happened.

I lost my job and I didn't know what to do
with my family.

I lost the pension as well.

But God helped us in so many ways.

And the grace introduced me to a
Pentecostal church pastor.

And I was told for the first time,
you must be born again, things like that.

And then in my quest
to search the new life,

they were telling me,
don't play world music.

Those records break them and throw them.

They are evil things and things.

Others were telling me, but God is going
to ask you.

I give you talent.

Why didn't you use it?

You can still play music.

You can't play that kind of music.

So I was at Crossroads for some time.

I had so many sermons.

I had so many speeches.

I read books.

I read the Bible.

Things come to the point where I said,
this makes sense.

This doesn't make sense.

You know, sometimes you have this feeling
that you are...

waiting the troubles away by drinking and
having fun.

But when you're sober again, those
troubles come back.

And you don't have the
answers, because you're not

thinking over them and
the sober circumstances.

As a head of the family, you need to be
really sober to sort things out.

I still believe that that was the way God
was calling me.

He blocked this door and
the other door, and then He

opened the other doors to
show that He still cared for me.

Yeah.

1980 was a big game-changer.

Disco music came on.

Obviously, that was not sustainable,
so it was exactly what we felt.

It was not quite fitting with the
direction where the band was going.

And that completely killed the band.

It was actually on a
world stage what they were

doing in the 70s even
before I joined them.

I think if that group was in the West, I
think it would be a totally different story.

Patrick Mandela, the classically trained
keyboard player that would lead the witch

during their disco phase and after
Jaggery's departure from the band,

moved to England in the late 80s after a
religious epiphany.

That's all for today.

See you next time.

The first time I met Jaggery, I dreamt of
bringing his energy to fans such as

myself, whose minds
traveled thanks to his music and

never thought they would
be able to share the witch life.

But here we were, about
to embark on his first-ever

European tour 40 years
after his last record came out.

I come from the UK, originally from
Zambia.

Originally from Bulgaria, living in
Switzerland.

I'm Dutch.

Germany.

From the Netherlands.

And I play the bass in the witch.

Occupation.

Musicians stroke teachers stroke minor.

Musicians play the guitar.

Musicians sing the song.

Musicians sing the song.

Musicians sing the song.

Musicians sing the song.

Musicians sing the song.

This is for my church.

Since 15.

Oh!

Is what.

Last time, the drummer was complaining
about his death.

So I determined in my heart that I should
bring him something of interest.

When I got to testify at my church,
I just came from a tour of Europe.

You guys, the grammar here is something
for you, don't complain, play well.

It's been a marathon, you know.

Arrived on Tuesday, Wednesday,
Thursday, Friday, Saturday, we were racing.

It's a marathon for my voice.

We are getting ready.

There's a time that I
thought my voice was going,

but towards the end, I
decided to come back.

I think if someone says we are
excommunicating you from the church

because you play which music, I'll go with
that.

It's part of me, like I said.

That's part of me.

And I don't see anything wrong.

I don't see anything in that music that is
against God.

In my prayers, I ask him, if I'm doing the
wrong thing, don't allow it.

Because I can't see what you see as God.

If it's leading me to wrong things,
don't allow it.

There's nothing wrong with the which
music.

This is why they'll call me and I'll go
and play the which music.

They'll call me in the US, in Europe and
I'll go and play that music.

Let the people that want to condemn me
continue condemning me.

Maybe we'll meet at the gate between
heaven and hell.

At this moment in his life, he has this
tremendous opportunity not just to

celebrate something that's
of the past, but celebrate

something that people
are discovering now as new.

I mean, it's kind of crazy
that he can be out there

performing, but I've seen him
perform live three times now.

He's an energetic performer that the Mad
Libs show.

I mean, he was doing push-ups on stage and
all types of stuff like that.

He showed me the work that he does to mine
gemstones where they're basically using

pickaxes and digging concrete hard dirt
all day long.

And I was like, OK, so doing 30 push-ups
on stage and jumping up and doing another

song is obviously not that big of a deal
to you.

See you after the show.

It's cool that there's so many young
musicians that love this music because

obviously his bandmates
are all dead, with the exception

of Patrick from the later
incarnation of which.

So it's kind of cool to
see, you know, that energy

exchange between him
and these younger musicians.

You know, because he's
a little bit older, but I mean,

because of the work that he
does, he's in tremendous shape.

I got it.

You know, there's these things that I feel
when music is good at my back.

The sound is balanced, everybody knows
what they are doing.

I get driven being a frontman that people
want to see.

Sometimes I think I overdid that and I got
so tired because I believed in myself that

if I don't sweat after two songs,
then I'm not working.

After we sing two, three songs
and now I'm sweating all over,

that gave me a feeling of doing
the right thing and working hard.

But at the end, no worries.

So sometimes I was overtired
and I would say to the crowd,

we'll give you one or two
more, then we're going to go.

And they're thinking the show is still on.

Thank you.

Enjoyed it very, very much.

There were people that confessed that they
had traveled from as far as Spain,

Sweden, another part of Europe for that
show.

And it was a Monday night.

Very unusual to have that kind of crowd.

But we had a good audience.

Last night, I think the word we were
saying was amazing because, like Jagger

was saying, I didn't expect that number of
people.

But as we got on stage, you could actually
see people were loving every note,

every word that was being sang.

They would just take it all in.

And it was just such a warm, energy and
response.

Just made you feel like, wow, you know.

Yeah, I actually was in a bit of a shock,
you know, good shock afterwards.

I had to sit down and say, is this
happening?

Yeah, it's amazing.

So I'm looking forward for the next show.

Jaggery.

You have an entire
set of albums and seven

inches that you can
celebrate in their entirety.

You can see the birth of a band that was
influenced largely by the Rolling Stones

do two incredible garage albums,
do a kind of prog psych masterpiece in the

middle of it, go on to do Afro
rock, OCB's style stuff, and

then move into doing disco
and boogie, and it's all good.

I mean, that's a tremendous accomplishment
anywhere.

And in Zambia, against all odds,
for this music to be that great,

I mean, it's unbelievable to me.

And so to me, you celebrate the whole
scene.

You celebrate every single person that
made it possible.

You celebrate, you know, the people from
Teal who invested in the infrastructure to

make it possible for an album like Lazy
Bones to come out.

You know, and you certainly celebrate
people like Jaggery who are holding,

you know, a torch for everybody else
because the way's been dark for so long.

You know, you got to have somebody that's
showing you the way.

I find people discovering it all the time
and they always say the same thing.

Once they've gotten past, like I said,
that removed assessment that comes from

not being able to truly, culturally
understand what was going on there.

Even I still don't understand.

I've not been there.

They all say the same thing, which is,
like, damn, this is incredible music.

It's God's plan.

Sometimes you don't know
where you're going until

you are there and it's,
oh, so exactly to me, yeah.

I can't say I planned this just like I
never planned to become a musician.

I heard the witch album.

It was an incredible album.

So even if it was an anomaly, it was
incredible.

But I thought to myself, there has to be a
precursor to this.

This couldn't have just come from nothing.

And so that's when I was really searching
to find what led up to the witch album.

And when I got on the phone with Jaggery,
I started telling him how much I loved his

music and I immediately started bombarding
him with catalog questions because I had

to know everything and I still have all
the notes I took.

You know, it was a horrible cell phone
connection.

It kept dropping.

I had to keep calling back and I was
trying to transcribe the information as I

got it because I didn't know if I was ever
going to speak to the guy again.

And I certainly had no idea whether or not
he wanted me to reissue his music.

And so I said, I've got to license this
music if only to show Jaggery that I'm

serious and to get
him to dedicate time to

me so that I can figure
out more about this.

People in Zambia that I was talking to had
a barometer for what to ask for,

the value of their music.

But, man, I mean, it was something that
quickly turned into a big deal for this

small community of Zambian musicians who
had held on to this fire that they had in

the mid-70s when they were recording all
this music.

You know, it will happen.

That's what he keeps saying.

It will happen.

And he wills it into existence.

Could you describe a concert of which in
the 70s?

How was it like?

Very hectic, but in jab.

You were very successful in the 70s with
the band, with which, and with the Zanrock.

But how did it end?

At my age, it might
take a little longer for me

to work and serve enough
to realize my dreams.

Of building music schools in the form of
an academy, probably even for the less

privileged, I want to
retire in a studio and school

of music, a good studio
of international standards.

I could probably achieve that dream
through mining.

There's, most times, very few people would
understand that dream.

Sometimes I imagine an orphanage and
there's so many people talented,

but they don't have the opportunity.

No one is tapping, identifying that talent
to improve it.

And my thinking is if I had an academy
like that, I would probably go around the

orphanages and identify there,
including some street kids.

Some of them are talented.

If you find them playing on improvised
instruments, you just wish you would help.

I survived the witch band
from the original band, and I

joined them in 1980 when
disco music came on the scene.

So I had the privilege
of actually playing both

types of music, the
Xamrock and the disco music.

We're going to do a track called It Feels
So Good.

It's the first time we're
doing it, so it's going to

be a bit of an experiment,
so we'll see how it goes.

It Feels So Good If

you look at the entirety
of the Xamrock movement,

it basically started in
about 1972 in its infancy.

I'm talking about Dr. Footswitch
coming from Rhodesia

and showing Jaggery that
you could make a record.

I'm talking about that earliest point to
the end of it all, which is basically like

Paul Ngozi's heavy metal album,
which came out in 1980 or so.

We were talking about, at best,
a six-year period.

I think that it was very
difficult for Zambian

musicians to keep up
with changing trends.

Paul Ngozi really tried, and he tried to
do disco songs, which, of course,

really tried and had some
success as a disco band

because they focused on
Zimbabwe as did Paul Ngozi.

But the people that could just left.

And the people that stuck around had to
deal with piracy and a country that was

dealing with rampant inflation and
starvation.

Think about this.

I mean, like, the guys in Moseyo Tune
would tell me stories about, like,

no food, like, zero food, and they're
trying to put out records.

How long can you sustain that?

Especially if you're not making any money.

And it wasn't like they were
getting paid much money to make

these records, and I've seen
my fair share of contracts.

The payments weren't much.

They had to exist on live shows.

At the point that you're bootlegging an
album onto a cassette, you know,

you start realizing in a country
where the average person

didn't have a turntable
after, I mean, 1980, whatever.

What was the point of making music?

Any type of music?

Especially this rock music, like,
who the hell's thinking about that?

My hope has never faded.

Because now I understand how much God
loves me.

It means well for my life.

And whatever I've passed
through, I think he was just

preparing me for what
he has for me in the future.

If we look at the Bible, Moses was
delivered the Israelites.

When he was 80, he was old.

And that's when he went to take a better
task.

And he was equal to the task.

My career doesn't consider age so much.

It's like wine.

The older it is, the better.

The only regret I have, I've never
really...

When I came to my senses, my realization,
my conscious being of my abilities,

my gifts, my talents, and opportunities,
I've never lived as a musician.

I find myself mining
gemstones instead of

making music, teaching
music, recording music.

I have not realized what I should have
realized.

Maybe I'm new in that...
I'm an amateur in that field.

I don't know the tactics of the trade
there.

I don't know how to make money.

I just do a straight job in there.

But who knows?

God doesn't mock.

He has something better for me sooner than
later, I believe.

It's strange how that first fateful trip to
Zambia opened doors in every new existence.

From the moment that I met Jaggeri to the
last show of their European tour four

years later, are strange
dreams that only become

stranger until eventually
they became true.

Baby, it's all right Baby, it's all right
Baby, it's all right

But maybe for now...

I don't know how to make money because I
don't know how to make money.

Jaggeri and the witch were now being
booked to play all over the world.

And along the way, I became the new
manager.

It landed there, it happens.

Because of music that I would take Hope
chose my life Don't come home It's so

strange My head is feeling weird all the
way

It's everybody Happiness in the air
Celebration room for me Dubai,

nothing for me What a night,
don't talk about night What a

night, don't talk about night
Paradise, don't talk about night

In the air Celebration
room for me Dubai, nothing

for me What a night,
don't talk about night In

the air Celebration room for me

What a night, don't talk about night