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day all right we're rolling what's

cracking oh man my back just now just

all these chair fantastic what is going

on with your back you you you have like

you've had back issues in the past right

we talked about that the last time you

came on well I was born scoliotic you

know yeah so it's like I bought just I

just bought my own Penal so I could

click the [ __ ] you

remember here take all devices away from

I can't believe you

remember you remember clicking on the

pen that's hilarious oh yeah I'm I'm a

fidget you know so I uh let me take

everything

off it's it's not good oh yeah born born

slightly scoliotic and then of course I

banged myself up over the years you know

of course what can you what when the do

they do anything other than surgery for

people with scoliosis they do because I

don't want to do surgery once you start

opening stuff up and fooling with it

yeah there's no going back especially

the back yeah back's a rough I never met

anybody that had like fusions or

anything where it turned out good no and

like hypocrates you know the father of

medicine he said in any ailment look

first to the spine and it was like he's

kind of right it all emanates from the

from the core well if your back is

[ __ ] up everything's [ __ ] up yeah

you know no matter how strong your arms

and legs are if your back is [ __ ] up

you're you're in trouble yeah that's

true your brain everything everything

goes to hell well you're in pain all the

time yeah people with back problems like

they can't think straight because you're

always like you know it's always there's

a gift to not thinking straight

H tell me tell me more I want to know

well it actually takes you down some

pretty weird paths you know um uh if

you're happy all the

time I don't know you don't have you you

don't have to strive to find thoughts to

make yourself happy right so it's like a

um it's a good it's a good uh it's a

good predisposition I think I agree to

that yeah I think being happy all the

time is a it's kind of an unlikely

scenario no nobody is yeah no but we all

want it you notice we all yearn for it

there's just Inc that's the only thing

we all want right just happiness little

peace well it's also we're shown it like

in you know television movies like we're

shown happiness as this goal like seek

happiness sure should be happy all the

time happy should never be upset yeah

well it's not realistic it's completely

unrealistic however it's nice to have

those little Journeys through ART where

you can actually explore those things

you can explore your IDs you can explore

happiness and uh so you can experience

the opposite I look at situations around

me and I I generally feel pretty

grateful uh from what some people go

through I'm grateful and everybody's got

their crap you know but uh like this

morning for example I would be surprised

if my home is still there yeah we were

just talking about that the Palisades is

on fire yeah my friend Tom Tom soraa his

house is gone yeah is where he used to

live he sold it luckily yeah I have a

son he's in the sort of volunteer

firebrigade Milo I call him the mayor of

Malibu and he's running around and I

asked him how's things looking there

Milo he says not good pops he says your

neighborhood and he sent me a a video of

my neighborhood and it's INF Flames it

looks like an inferno so yeah do you

think this will get you out of

California finally yeah maybe you know

where you going to go oh I don't know I

got a place in Costa Rica I love it

there yeah Costa Rica's nice yeah I

bought there many years ago and it's

it's a it's in a real nice spot it's not

too touristy or you know dirt roads so

it's off the Beaton does it feel safe

out there pretty safe I think look it no

place is safe I mean you got the darang

down there you know's that it's kind of

in the um what's the next country down

Panama and you and and there's this no

man's land where the Colombians come

through and it's like you know all kinds

of dirty dealings in the jungle with you

know who knows you know drugs and mules

and yeah you know

yeah so um you know it can be dangerous

and I've heard of danger happening there

you know you hear about somebody getting

chopped up by a machete and Costa Rica

is actually it's actually a cool place

because it it never had a culture of

death like a lot of the Central American

countries did they have a culture of

death you know even Mexico I mean they

used to you know tear people's hearts

out and pyramids all that sort of stuff

Aztecs were like the Romans the Mayans

were like the Greeks they all sort of

dabbled in some stuff um Costa Rica

always had a policy where

they was like the switzland of Central

America they emphasize education and

health and everybody's literate and it's

it's kind of interesting in that way but

it deals with its own little troubles

yeah well like every country you know

anywhere down in that part of the world

MH it's just like there's so much

sketchy [ __ ] going on all around you

yeah there can be yeah yeah one has to

uh be forewarned forearmed all that you

know so I have a a nice place down there

yeah I have some friends that have a

place in Mexico and I'm always like

don't you ever

worry yeah I worked in Mexico a couple

of times I was down there and it was uh

it was in BARC Cruz and apparently you

know people were rolling heads into bars

and stuff like that you know rival GRS

and stuff and they said I'd go for a

walk you know and uh they'd sayou crazy

going for a walk you'll get kidnapped I

said I'm not going to get kidnapped I'm

the guy that pays you're going to get

kidnapped and I'm not going to pay your

Ransom so it's

like I never felt insecure in that way

and you know if something's going to

happen it's going to happen yeah you

know if your numbers up I know I used to

watch guys who do what I do for a living

and they'd have a fance of bodyguards

around them you know and like for

security and stuff but and I used to

have that stuff for a little while but n

doesn't make any difference you're going

to be

okay okay or not or not right until

you're not until you're not and

everybody's going to be okay until

they're not yeah I got into dodgy

situation one night and I acted crazy

yeah yeah what happened if you act crazy

everybody leaves you alone especially if

you are a little crazy you know they

know that you're in a stress mode so you

actually get angry I if if I feel like

I'm threatened I get angry which is what

happens and then you get really in

people's faces and they think this guy's

crazy but all the old cultures thought

that like when there were people

traveling across the Great Plains to go

west you know if you acted nuts they'd

leave you alone because they didn't want

your evil spirits oh so what happened

with you oh nothing they left me alone

but where was this oh man I was in a bad

neighborhood I um was it was when I

first got into LA and I was to go to

dinner with Costa Gabus he was a Greek

director I uh went the wrong way and it

was before they had you know phones with

like right you know all that stuff so

Thomas guide it was the Thomas guide

anyway I wasn't guided well by Thomas I

ended up in the wrong place and then my

muffler fell off and I was driving a

Mercedes you know pretty nice sporty car

you know and I thought oh and I had the

wife in the car and I pulled into a side

street the sun was going down and as I

got out of the car I thought oh I got to

fix this Muffler I can't just drag it

people started coming from houses

and they came up to me and and I saw

them coming in the rearview mirror and

uh I jumped out of the car and got in

their face and I said what the [ __ ] do

you want cuz I thought I felt threatened

right and um and the guy said man I'm

just looking for some money you got any

money so I was being mugged and it was

like I thought I'll think about it when

I'm [ __ ] finished like you

know I opened the trunk and this is the

weird part Joe I I will never quite

understand this I opened the trunk to

see what I could find to help me put the

muffler back on and sitting there the

only two things in the back of the trunk

was a pair of wire cutters and a coat

hanger it's exactly what I needed and I

don't know why it was there that's weird

isn't it that's very weird so you use

the coat hanger to wire up your muffler

yep I cut a piece of wire wired the

muffler up the whole time more guys are

coming Jesus Christ and they're standing

behind me and I'm feeling like oh and um

anyway I get up I finished the muffler

slam and I'm acting mad and crazy the

whole time and they think this guy's

nuts and I get back to the car and my

wife gives me a handful of cash and I

thought what's this she says it's just

wives and ones give it to her so I threw

it and drove off

but it was like it was looking hairy for

a minute and you never know what year

was this oh my God back in the '90s

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Joe Rogan seriously get on this so

things are more dangerous now I think

they are yeah I think so for sure yep

yeah we were just talking about the

Wildfire situation and how crazy it is

that they spent 24 billion dollars last

year on the homeless yeah and what do

they spend on preventing these wildfires

Zer Z Zip Zip and in 2019 I think Nome

said you know I'm going to take care of

the forest and maintain the forest and

do all that kind of stuff he didn't do

anything didn't do anything and then on

top of that they cut the water off yeah

that's right yeah it's all funny and

then I think all our tax dollars

probably went for Gavin's hair Gill I

don't know but it's like you know it's

sad it's like the place is just on fire

well the whole state is just so poorly

managed it's so conf it's so frustrating

and confusing and then he gets on TV and

pretends like everything's great mhm and

California is the best we have the best

state we have the most amazing economy

and like you're out of your [ __ ] mind

dude you've ruined the state personally

ruined it well it's the same team that

was up in San Francisco and they came

down to LA and they're doing what they

did in San Francisco and yeah San

Francisco is kind of like apocalyptic

now you know yeah I went there and it's

like people every you know homeless you

know it's just it's a mess it's just

unbelievable that Society can crumble

that quickly mhm really unbelievable it

doesn't take long no yeah I read a book

once by Jared diamond called collapse

you ever read that book yeah yeah crazy

right it says all the things you need

for a civilization to cave in and

collapse and a lot of the things are

present all those ear marks the

precursors of a collapse they're present

in our time so it's it's an interesting

observation yeah and we're no smarter

than our grandparents I don't think well

that brings me to one of my favorite

movies of yours is Apocalypto yeah you

know when the Mayans were running things

like who could have ever thought when

they had such an incredibly

sophisticated Society unbelievable

construction like the stuff that they

had built that one day you just walk

through there and there's nothing

nothing nothing and nobody in fact

there's something because it's

interesting somebody was flying by what

they thought was a volcano in the 30s

some Buzz Boy and he thought hey that's

somebody built that wait a minute

there's 4X 8T bricks that's not that's

man-made and it is literally the biggest

pyramid in the world it's bigger than

the ones in Egypt and it's in Guatemala

yeah we talked about that the other day

yeah it's a recent discovery right well

not that recent I was U maybe 20 years

ago I visited I went down there with the

uh with the archaeologist a guy named

Richard Hansen who's from or some place

and he's down there with his family he's

been working tirelessly for like 30

years trying to extract this preclassic

city from the jungle and there's not a

bunch of tourists all the pyramids in

tial would fit inside the one big

pyramid in El Mirador really yeah it's a

monster and so that tells you that the

preclassic civilization was bigger and

grander and more sophisticated than the

civilizations that came after it yeah

pretty interesting well it is

unbelievable how like when when you the

accounts of like people that visited

Mexico and visited the Aztecs like what

the markets looked like and how insane

it was and how gorgeous it was and then

just yeah disease yeah disease or I

don't know if it was disease or what I

think the people were pretty

dissatisfied it would have been hard for

uh Cortez with his limited numbers to

actually take over a civilization like

that unless they kind kind of happened

upon a civilization that was pretty

dissatisfied with the way things were

going yeah so I think they had people to

help them sort of Rebel when when you're

making a movie like Apocalypto I mean

that's a crazy undertaking you're making

an entire movie where there's no English

in it at all and it's a blockbuster yeah

yeah it's cool it was fun that's one of

the best movies man it's a [ __ ] great

movie well because I think it's scary

because nobody's speaking your language

and you're looking at indigenous peoples

who you and because they're not speaking

a language you totally kind of buy it

and you can buy the horror and and the

Primal nature of of the story you want

to tell and and really it's just a

series of fears one after the other you

know being chased by you know scary guys

or W eaten by wild animals or you know

hit by blow you know blow gun it's all

like uh a series of these things but I

think basically I was doing was trying

to talk about our time

now and the civilization that we live in

and how close are we to collapse and

what are the things that lead to

collapse you know it's environmental

stuff it's um Human

Sacrifice yeah I mean we do that kind of

we do yeah yeah we do we just dress it

up Y when you find out medications are

killing people and they keep prescribing

them and they do it for money that's

kind of sacrifice when you find out that

Wars are irresponsible they're not just

Wars not just no they're they're for

money we send our young people over

there to to die MH sometimes for good

reasons sometimes for not I mean I have

I love this I love the warrior I do I

love the warrior but I hate the war man

yeah and um well we hate we hate an

unjust War yes absolutely yeah yeah

anyway it's uh yeah it's a mess

but the human sacrifice aspect is is

Alive and Well in our society I think it

really is it's just dressed up in a

different way yeah MH yeah rhetoric

around it but they've always been able

to justify it like an Apocalypto was

like yeah so the crops will be better

hey we'll just you know yeah kill a few

people yeah and then I had all these

people come out of the woodwork hey

we're we're archaeologists and

scientists and that never happened so

there's this revisionism about it too

that it didn't happen but there are

accounts from the time where yes people

did witness these things and um and of

course I had a bunch of battery of

archaeologists and scientists and

professors on my own that say yeah well

this stuff did happen and here's the

here's the you know the depictions of it

in paintings and images and you know so

it's like it did happen so when you when

you set out to make a movie like that

like what first of all what brings you

to that did you get the script first

first like what was it an idea that you

had in your head it was uh it just came

from in here and I was working on

something a buddy of mine said so what

do you want to do next I said ah man I

want to direct something and I always

want to direct a chase film he said what

kind of Chase I said a foot chase he

said what I said yeah people chasing you

I mean there's something kind of Primal

and scary about a foot chase and I think

in order to have a foot chase you can't

have a society where there's any kind of

cars or anything anything like that

otherwise you have a car chase but I

want to film a foot chase like it's a

car chase and uh he said H I said what

are you thinking I said well I'm

thinking if you go back before Columbus

discovered America you know and it's

like uh people assumed that Columbus

discovered America and then life began I

said I want to know what was happening

right before he got there before he got

there and I said so I had this idea that

you see all this stuff going on and

there's no time period on it and then

all of a sudden you date it by the

arrival of Europeans and I thought it's

kind of like the rodling you know Planet

of the Apes in here it's like it's kind

of a cool cool ending and he said oh wow

and he said where do you think Columbus

landed I said why don't let's look so I

looked up and the first peoples he

encountered were Mayan trading canoes

off the coast of

Honduras and I thought cool what was

happening in Honduras you know and you

look at these towns and and pyramids and

temples and stuff at that time and then

the story was born from there and of

course then we read the book by Jared

Diamond collaps I read the Mind Bible

the popal Vu and you know tried to delve

into what they believed and and what

their civilization was like and they had

Concepts as we do of Heaven and Hell of

punishment or reward you know it was a

little different quite a bit different

actually in fact when I went down

to uh the arch olical sites at Hill

midor they dug something up and it was

like well what is it and they said we

don't

know it could there was this carved

image in the stone of this Mayan Warrior

drinking and he had an ear spool and it

was like H so they dug further and

further and it went like 26 MERS down

and it was the entire story of the popal

Vu W of the twins going into hell and

getting their father's head and swimming

back and it was it's this crazy story

and it um uh kind of dated that book

because I think it was a almost 3,000

years old this this uh mural this

carving so it tells you that the story

is pretty old and they thought initially

it was probably back in the 1300s but

this confirmed that it was at least

2,600 years old something like that yeah

so it's pretty cool that to be there

when they're digging that stuff up is

mindblowing well they're missing so much

of the May history it's very coffee I

want some water that's water in there

water they're missing so much of the

Mayan history you know because

everybody's gone but um one of the you

ever see that very bizarre carving where

it looks like there's a guy who's

sitting in a cockpit of a spaceship like

looking through some sort of an an eye

thing yeah they got some weird stuff

it's like weird yeah where there's fire

underneath the chair like what is that

they got dudes that look like Europeans

they have these guys with red beards

helmets and stuff it's like these

Phoenician guys who probably traveled

over there early on

yeah probably maybe in the sixth Century

or something like that so they it wasn't

that long a boat ride so they probably

went over there and made contact and

they they thought they were gods or

something and then they went away again

and they said well wait for them to come

back and uh of course they did come back

but it didn't work out the same no no no

well there's so many accounts of you

know people visiting the especially when

you get into the Amazon sure oh I don't

know about the Amazon oh my God what's

tell me about that well first of all the

Amazon used to be filled with people and

most of the Amazon is man-made the

jungle in the Amazon is agriculture yeah

wow yeah okay the jungle and the Amazon

they didn't even know this until fairly

recently mhm and they now know from

flying over they use light liar which is

this uh Light mini radar so they so when

they use this laser radar when they fly

over it they're finding all these grids

and Pathways and cities in the jungle so

the jungle had consumed all these cities

you think there was millions and

millions of people living in the Amazon

and that Europeans came over diseases

everybody dies jungle consumes a city

people come back 200 years later looking

for it like the lost city of Z like that

uh that story right they go back to look

and there's there's nothing left yeah

Guns Germs and Steel yeah yeah yeah

great

yeah wow that's fascinating I don't have

to look into that and we're going

through all those things right now Guns

Germs and Steel oh yeah oh my God yeah

germs yeah oh God the germs I had I'm

just just on the tail end of some

hideous flu that was going I don't know

if you did you get the h5n1 or whatever

the [ __ ] it is I don't know what the

hell yeah I've had that that was the

swine thing I had swine flu one time I

you had that 2009 I yes it was around

then yeah yeah it was it was an epidemic

a pandemic whatever you want to call it

but it didn't have the same sort of

press releases that Co did sure I got

the swine I acted more like a pig you

know it's terrible terrible wallowing in

my own

mud so uh I like Flight Risk it's fun

movie oh it's a whole you know it's a

it's a hoot I mean I think the first

thing you got to do with any film and I

think it's incumbent upon all directors

artists to entertain

first in some fashion even if it's a

heavy story you have to find some some

aspect of it that entertains and uh and

I think this for entertainment's sake is

just fun and it's quick I'm I'm not

subjecting you to four hours of like

watching autism dry right it's like it's

like uh you know it's 85 90 minutes yeah

it's a good time yeah and Mark is insane

yeah he's great in it he plays a good

psycho oh he's a psychopath Mark's got a

good Dark Side there's some there's some

dark stuff there that he was able to

draw from and uh every you know and then

he'd let it out I can't even repeat some

of the stuff he'd say in fact we had to

cut most of it out it was like really

sick but uh we we hint at

it anyway when you make a movie now I

mean you've had such a career when you

make a movie now like what motivates you

at this point in your life um like how

do you how do you decide let's hit the

green light on this one yeah there are

things that speak to me and uh and they

speak for a for a long time it's uh

I remember when I was a a kid in high

school I was studying English and said

well where did the English language come

from and they talked about wow it came

from this old guttural German Old Norse

that the Vikings brought across and I

was thinking well that's cool the

Vikings you know and then immediately I

start thinking man somebody should make

I want to make a film about Vikings and

they only speak in Old Norse because if

if if they say if they say h you know if

they speak speak English all of a sudden

right you're not buying it but if

they're speaking some guttural language

you're sort of scared by them and it's

like that's scary to me and then I said

to myself I'm 17 years old why am I

thinking about making films about

Vikings I don't know anything about

making films and not much about Vikings

so why the hell am I even thinking about

that but that was something that was

early on was like a drive I guess to

sort of depict things like that so I did

films in other languages in Mayan and in

in Aramaic in in Latin you know so and

there's the power to that I noticed when

I was young I used to go and watch a lot

of foreign films and I watch French

movies right or German or whatever they

were Spanish I'd watch them and I think

wow the acting's great in those and it

seemed better because of the subtitles

because more believable somehow I don't

know right because you're not you're not

hearing insincerity in their voice CU

you don't even understand what they're

saying no yeah you just feel the

emotions and words and it also it has to

take your attention because you have to

do another function you have to read

yeah which is another thing that's sort

of maybe blinds you to the flaws in the

film making perhaps so you know hey it's

a great trick yeah it's alisation

there's a there is a thing about reading

it while you're watching it's like an

added element of concentration MH you

know like subtitled movies you feel like

you're a smarter person watching a movie

where you're reading it as well yeah and

there's yeah there's something about the

written word that's like it's a pretty

interesting thing to throw into the mix

I know when I first started it was kind

of confusing but then I got really good

at it and I think uh especially with

something like what the passion that I

did the written word was very important

because it was you know you got all

those books the Bible you know you've

got the the different gospels and stuff

that people are quite familiar with half

the time they didn't even need to read

the subtitles they could look at it and

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resources see dk. co/ audio that was a

crazy movie because uh it was a great

movie but it seemed like there was

resistance to that movie oh yeah no

there was which uh I I thought was very

strange there was like Hollywood

resistance to that movie like people

didn't like that you were making it it

seemed like yeah there's a lot of there

was a lot of opposition to it and uh I

don't know it's I think if you ever hit

on that subject matter you're going to

get people going because of course it's

big subject matter and it's like uh you

know and my contention is you know when

I was making it it was like you're

making this film and the idea was that

we're all responsible for this that his

sacrifice was For All Mankind and that

for all all our ills and all all the

things in our fallen nature it was a

Redemption so you know and I believe

that you know I I actually am you know I

was born into a Catholic Family I'm very

Christian in my beliefs you know so I do

actually believe this stuff to the full

so depicting that was an honor but it

was also yeah you got the you got the

Daylights beat out of your for it yeah

because there's there's resistance first

of all from secular Hollywood mhm where

for whatever reason Christianity is the

one religion that you're allowed to

disparage yeah Christianity is the one

religion where

people all these Progressive open-minded

leftist people they'll embrace all these

different religions until it comes to

Christianity and for whatever reason

that represents like white

male you know whatever it represents

colonialism you know whatever it you

know whatever it represents it's

negative yeah sure it's gotten a bad rap

and they people do feel free to beat up

on it MH even I do when I see it's like

you know when it's not fair when I think

it's off right like uh you know when

they appoint some Cardinal in some dasis

and he's been covering up for like

people who are child molesters you know

like Theodore mccarrick or Cardinal

whirl or those kind of guys I mean or

the pope yes absolutely I'm I'm not

Benedict oh not Ben well he was covering

up but yeah so is the guy now is he

really well yeah yeah it's it's not

great I thought he was like the more

Progressive Pope oh he's very

Progressive yes but he's covering up for

stuff as well well they they all are I

mean it's a it's a a dark institution in

a lot of ways cuz it's history you know

well you know the institution it was

instituted by Christ you know but that

doesn't mean that it can't be flawed and

there's a school of thought that

says it isn't what it purports to be

anymore it's it's moved away from what

it was intended to be and what it

is uh almost there's a guy called um

Bishop vegano who says it's a

counterfeit parallel

church and it's it's running an entirely

different

religion I actually don't I don't adhere

to a post-conciliar

church I adhere can you define what that

means okay um there was an event that

happened in the in the

60s first there was an event in the

Vatican where they elected John the

23d pope right in 1958 I was two years

old right um he was elected and there

was a very funny thing that happened in

the conclave you know usually there's

white and black smoke that goes out of

the the chimneys to tell you we have a

pope you know habam us pop him you know

and the white smoke came out

and everybody cheered and they went

crazy and then about a half an hour

later black smoke came out that never in

history has that happened that the white

smoke came out and then the black smoke

came out so white smoke means we found a

new pope black smoke means no Pope

that's right they'd have votes or

there'd be one reason or another they'd

have a round in the conclave and black

smoke would come out many times many

times maybe maybe it would take two

weeks but never was it known that white

smoke came out then black smoke came out

so what was the

scenario that somebody was

elected and that maybe something else

happened and he was pushed aside and

someone else was put in ah so it was

power struggle some kind of power

struggle and um of course the man who

came out was a man called Angela ronali

and he was John the 23rd now it's

interesting to note that never had a

pope taken the name of another Pope ever

before in history but this man man took

the name of a known anti-pop from the

15th century that kmo deedi put in there

as his own man I'll get you in the chair

and then everything will be Rosy you

know everything will go good for

business you know whatever he was

putting him in there for some corrupt

reason but um and there have been

corrupt men in that place before I mean

there's Alexander I 6 and Julius II and

6us I fourth I mean some of these guys

are you know they're not Saints um so he

took the name of a known anti-pop from

the fifth century who actually said yes

I'm an anti-pop sorry I'm not the right

guy because there was more than one and

he confessed to being and he wanted to

you know Square things with with the

Almighty I guess so he confessed to

being an anti-pop and uh so he took the

same name as that guy John the

23rd so it's interesting don't you think

I mean I why would he do that well

whenever you have that kind of power

like I'm sure you've been to the Vatican

right yeah it's stunning yes it's huge

it's so cra when you're walking around

you see the just the massive amount just

the dollar value in the art that they

possess yeah it's [ __ ] insane it's

crazy yeah and uh you know it's a very

small country it's a country yeah it's a

country inside of a small City yeah cuz

Rome's not the biggest city no and then

it's got a country inside the city yeah

with a with walls around it sure and you

can't extradite people yeah pretty weird

how convenient yeah even ratzinger he

didn't drive from the Vatican to the

other place he flew o and it was only a

little while cuz who knows why I don't

know well he was wanted yes yeah I mean

he had done one of the things that he

had done was he had moved a priest that

had molested a hundred kids and he moved

him to some new place where he molested

deaf kids

yeah yeah boy yeah yeah I know that's

the the dirtiest most evil practice that

the Catholic church has been accused of

I think so and many institutions as well

but that is a very bad one and uh I

think it's all part and parcel of the

same corruption that crept in and when

you asked what's the difference between

prev Vatican 2 so Vatican 2 happened and

of course they they took the church and

they they reformed it

and they changed things in it and it

didn't necessarily agree with everything

that went before

it and up to that point yeah you could

find it agreed with itself but all of a

sudden you got something else to the

point we now I

mean I mean we got a pope that brought a

a South American Idol into the church to

worship really he did the pcha mama he

bought the South and he got know what

that is it's a it's kind of like a South

American God patcha mam say any why

would he do

that good question but he did did he

have an explanation for why he did it

yeah it's kind of a weasel worded thing

of like oh all religions are just as

good as one another but you know if

that's his contention he shouldn't be

the pope no I mean how can you be the

pope if you say all religions are just

as good yeah we all worship you know so

yeah that's patcha Mama there you go so

he brought that in yeah into the Vatican

then the Hier he the hierarch even

worshiped that they had a ceremony

around it outside what well that

constitutes apostasy J it's that's an

apostasy move all right worshiping false

gods yeah that's number one on the

Mosaic Hit List you know Moses goes up

on the mountain he comes back down

people are worshiping in a golden calf

yeah you know it's it's that yeah so you

can't do that and uh for me that's a

departure

from what you know that's called

apostasy it's a falling away from it and

the Very nature of apostasy means that

you have to be part of it to fall away

from it mhm so it's an inside job

ah so what do you think there's a motive

Behind these things I don't think you

well probably what do you think it is I

don't know but it isn't good I think

look I think we're we we're looking at a

world where

and this is the in the next film I'm

going to do I'm going to try and Tackle

this

question that there are big Realms

spiritual Realms there's good there's

evil and they are slugging it

out for the souls of mankind and my

question is why are we even important

little old flawed Humanity why are we

important in that process where the big

Realms are slugging it out over us and I

think there's bigger things at play

here and institutions that purport to

touch on the Divine are necessarily

going to be affected by that slugfest

that's going on between good and evil

right and and sometimes good gives up

ground yeah and maybe not on purpose you

know maybe there's some deception

involved or self deception coed every

morning when I wake up I actually pray

that I don't deceive myself

you know because it's like you know your

mind is a very funny place I mean

there's uh I've always said you know

it's your second thought and your first

action that that you're responsible for

your first thought throw it away you

know right but upon consideration yeah

the second thought is what you're

responsible for yeah that's the

difference between first degree and

second degree murder there you go

right right there first degree like I'm

plotting this out and we we take that

into consideration when we sentence

people sure like if you're a person who

just you're all of a sudden you're in a

fight with a guy you didn't expect it

and you stab him and kill him second

degree murder yeah but if you're like

I'm going to kill this [ __ ] I'm

going to find out where he is and I'm

going to go get him first degree sure I

planned a lot of murders in my life you

know we all have yeah in your head you

plan the murder and you think well

that's not a very good idea but I think

I could get away with it right there's

the second thought yeah that is

interesting that we take that into

consideration yeah that we do like if

you've had time to think about it you're

a different kind of person the person

acts in the ACT sure you're in your

animal passion yes and I found this out

I actually spent a long time in my

animal brain which is a very horrible

place to be and um when you say that

what do you mean by youve spent a long

time in your animal brain you're in

flight or fight right all the time you

don't even sleep it's like really not a

good place to be and if anybody looks at

you the wrong way you want to bite them

yeah and sometimes you say and do things

that are socially

unacceptable and you know I went and got

a brain scan by this guy called Daniel

Amen who's this brain guy he's against

all psych meds and stuff but he thinks

like let me have a look at your brain

and he put a radioactive tracer in me

whoa and to photograph my brain he works

yeah he works with a lot of football

players and guys who had brain injuries

man it's thirsty in

here but but um so he he looked at my

brain and he was like and he opens the

file and I'm in there with the guy and

he looks up and he goes are you

okay and he go first no first he went

like this and I said what and he are you

okay like that and I said yeah I think

so and he he came over and he sat next

to me but very slowly and cautiously he

says no you're not and I said what do

you mean he says you got the worst case

of PTS I've have ever seen and I said

you mean like even worse than guys in Mo

and [ __ ] like that and he goes yeah and

he

says you're not okay Jesus Christ and

and I was like and I and I started I

started to well up you know like no no

I'm not it's like oh boy and it was uh

he had a very miraculous and uh great

remedy for it which was to eat a bunch

of fish oil vitamin B complex and get

into a hyperbaric chamber for 40

sessions but make sure you do at least

two or three a week ah it fixed my head

really yeah it got me out of that wacky

place you know so it was something to do

with nutrition and oxygen and yeah and

your brain is neuroplastic he he

explained neuroplasticity to me and how

okay you could get brain damage and like

holes in your head and all you know

concuss I used to play rugby ah I've

been knocked out on the field a couple

of times you know that explains a lot

you know yeah and um

so it actually you can actually heal the

holes in your head it look like swiss

cheese in it's like horrible there L A

lot of these football players get like

that too the poor guys I mean they get

depressed and they oh yeah you know oh

yeah hormonal imbalance pituitary glands

[ __ ] up oh yeah yeah absolutely yeah

not producing testosterone or human

growth hormone correctly that's correct

yeah depression low energy yep

irritability irritability when I kill

somebody you know it's like terrible you

know and uh and it's just not socially

acceptable plus I don't want to go to

prison yeah well the rugby I bet that's

a a giant Factor uh yeah I I played from

like 13 to probably in my late teens and

and you get knocked around a little 100%

yeah there's no if fans or butts about

that no helmet no you know well people

don't realize like even shots to the

chest cause brain damage oh yeah yeah

that's what people are realizing now

yeah sure I mean you know and like I'm

addicted to the UFC right I love it but

I know that these guys are I I feel kind

of sorry for them I do as well and and

one of the guys I I knew one of the guys

fairly well and usually I'm pretty

immune to like but like he was in there

and he was fighting against volovski it

was Brian Ortega and he was getting his

ass handed to him in one fight he almost

almost got him a couple of times but

like yeah he almost submitted him twice

yeah I know but because I knew Brian it

was like my CH it was like my son was in

there I almost started crying I was and

it got to me I was like I should

probably feel like this about all these

guys but I don't know them as well it

becomes a problem for me when I'm

friends with a guy and then and then

also I see when they're on the tail end

of their career and they can't take

shots anymore and then when you talk to

them you recognize the speech patterns

are

slurring yeah yeah I met Muhammad Ali

when he was in a chair you know o and

um man I don't know if I could even tell

this story what he said was so funny but

he was still in there and he was still a

little devil and he was like uh and he

was still he was still [ __ ] with

people of course but it was like uh I I

can't tell the story you can't no man

okay footnote it tell me later I'll tell

you later it is funny but it was my

assistant you know it's what he said to

my assistant was like so funny and um

and and then he said it and we all were

like whoa and then I looked at him and

he was just laughing he was laughing his

ass off so he was still all in there but

it was hard I guess he had the damage of

being punched yeah trauma related

Parkinson's disease yes very common for

Fighters God oh no yeah yeah yeah it's

not good I got knocked out when I in a

fight when I was like 20 and it was like

knocked out like out and it was uh you

know I woke up in the

hospital not good no well a few of those

will explain a lot yes it does yeah and

we didn't know that you know back then

that's why it always drives me crazy in

a movie when someone gets hit over the

head with a gun and knocked out and then

five minutes later they're fighting and

they're fine you know or shot in the arm

you know got to kill you you know that

always makes me laugh too but we used to

do it you know well you kind of have to

right it's like part of the whole thing

of telling a movie you got to sure I

mean

Michelle Docker even brains Mark

Wahlberg with a fire extinguisher at one

point it's yeah he's back you know

brains him shoots him oh yeah he's a

cockroach you can't kill him it takes a

lot more we you'll find out yeah but uh

we're you know people used to think that

concussions are just something you

recover from like no big deal you get a

concussion take a break for a little

while you'll be fine you might not be

fine no you're not I got a concussion at

my daughter's

wedding this is really weird okay so

she's getting married married a great

guy they got a great family and um a

buddy of mine from Australia comes to

the wedding and he goes comes up and I I

go to hug him and he he Ducks down and

he comes up and he puts his shoulder

into the point of my chin the guy weighs

240 and he puts his shoulder into the

point of my chin and knocks me the [ __ ]

out Jesus Christ I'm

like and like for the next four months

I'm messed up I have to get like a guy

to work cranial sacral you know fix me

up and stuff like that it really messed

me [ __ ] Australians yeah yeah there

you go wild folk worse than Germans yeah

they just wild ex prisoners yeah yeah

wild prisoner of mother England yeah

yeah anyway so this this story that you

want to tell about Good and Evil like do

you have a script or is it just a thing

in your head like what is it yeah it's

it's it's the resurrection story and but

it's it's uh it's not just it's not

linear because you can't really it's

hard to understand so it's got to be put

in a

framework where you answer a few other

questions as well and you have to

juxtapose the event itself against

everything else so that it makes some

kind of sense in in a bigger picture

which is a hard thing to do and it took

my brother and I about and and a guy

called Randall Wallace plus my brother

and I took us six seven years to write

it so are you doing this with historians

as well are you trying to make it yeah

yeah yeah historical stuff well I regard

I regard the gospel says history it's

verifiable history some people say oh

it's a fairy tale he never existed but

he did and there are other accounts

verifiable historical accounts outside

the biblical ones that also bear this up

that yes he did exist and um and and the

other aspect of that is that the all the

evangelists the apostles who went out

there um every single one of those guys

died rather than deny their belief and

nobody dies for a lie nobody right so

that's part of what I'm doing it's like

showing nobody dies for a lie yeah well

the resurrection is the one that is the

most diff difficult for people to

swallow yes that is the one that

requires the most Faith the most faith

and the most belief yeah Resurrection

yeah who who who gets back up three days

later after he gets murdered in public

um who gets back up under his own power

Buddha didn't do that [ __ ] right you

know so you believe that was a real

event yeah I do yeah what brought you to

that belief is this something that

you've always had or is it something you

you studied it and you've come to this

conclusion because of the historical

accounts and yes uh I think as a child

you know one accepts things on faith

because you know you're raised by people

who are nice to you and they believe it

and my dad was a pretty smart guy he was

like Mena smart you know like real smart

like back in 1968 he won Jeopardy right

and then really and then they brought

all the Jeopardy winners back and he

played all the winners and he beat all

of them too so he had a mind like a

steel trap

and his memory was practically

photographic my memory is pornographic

but it's like it's like his his was like

I don't have that that kind of mind

right um but I'm more like he did math

and you know I can't add but

uh um so as a child you learn um these

things and you accept them on faith and

I still have that Faith but as I got

older I came to it through intellect and

through reading and putting things

together and accounts and then

occurrences like in my own life you know

I mean just recently they verified the

shroud of Trin have you seen that I've

been reading about it and I know that

there's some contention there's some

some discussion and debate about it but

they used to think that it was only a

couple hundred years old and now they've

they've changed that yeah they said no

it it's back then they also don't

understand how it was made which to me

is very fascinating it's not paintt it's

not they don't know what caused the

image itself and how that technology

would have even been available it wasn't

yeah a couple thousand years ago an

intense light I mean

Atomic to leave almost like a

photographic imprint on a piece of cloth

yeah and it's wild pull that up pull the

shroud of turn up oh yeah it's wild to

look at because it's it's so interesting

oh

yeah and you can see it

that it

depicts a first century Hebrew male

because the hairstyle was from the first

century and a Hebrew hairstyle that he

was about 6 feet tall that he was

completely scourged all over his body he

was

crucified um the one on the left is the

one on the right is just like an

artistic rendition that's the face yeah

click on that one the face the face yeah

that's good enough get that large that's

[ __ ] crazy yeah yeah scourged beaten

a CRA the the wounds on the the Thorns

the hands the feet uh and and the

scourging and the the the hairstyle was

from the first century and the pollins

that they found in the cloth were from

that region yeah uh also the weave was a

first century weave that was typical and

another guy an archaeologist who I knew

who actually translated the passion in

Aramaic told me that

if you look close you can see the the

the image of a tiberious coin marks on

the eyes now I don't know if that's real

or not I've never actually checked that

but that there's images of tiberious on

the coin so they would put the coins

over the eyes yeah so that would date it

uh but they have now verified that it

does actually go back to that time

period for a while they were testing

pieces that had been repaired in the

13th century or right you know what is

the latest on that Jamie can you see see

like I I was trying to get that I had I

have two different articles from within

the last 6 months saying opposite yeah

opposite of course know which one

sounded the most accurate well it's such

a crazy thing to even try to verify like

what are you like what are you saying

you're saying that this is really the

Shroud that Jesus was covered in so

you're saying Jesus historically

absolutely did exist and we think that

this is the Shroud that covered him that

just that alone people incredulity

people immediately they they they their

hackles raised like wait a minute wait a

minute wait a minute and they just

instead of like looking at it

objectively they don't almost always

want to look at it from a point of view

of dis disproving it immediately

dismissing it immediately but that's you

know that's science isn't it you have to

sort of you know you play The Devil's

Advocate and and that's okay go for it

you know um do you are you aware of

Graham Hancock oh no Graham Hancock is

uh he's sort of a historian that has a

very uh he's got a series on Netflix

he's a fascinating guy and his his

career started because he was

investigating this these accounts in

Ethiopia of the Ark of the Covenant and

that they believe the Ark of the

Covenant is in this one church that's

protected by all these monks that wind

up getting cataracts and radiation

disease and sickness and they think that

it's because they're protecting this Arc

of the Covenant this this actual thing

that it's an actual physical thing

that's there and if you touch it you get

zapped yeah yeah and that even being in

its presence [ __ ] these people up maybe

maybe who knows I mean it's got to be

someplace right they buried it they lost

track of it yeah but uh man it used to

be and and all the stories are if you

even touched it you fall over you know

cuz it constructed electrically somehow

yeah like what is that what's in there

yeah why why is it giving people cancer

if they're really protecting it I think

it's the actual structure of the

container it's in that that is the

problem that's my thought on I could be

wrong but I think inside it they

have things from like uh when Moses was

like mana and you know stuff like that

that they they managed to keep from like

for example they they say that

uh that golgatha the place where the

crucifixion happened it's called

golgatha the place of the skull because

that's where Adam's head is

buried really yes and that that it's

also perhaps the same

place and and it it tells you it's kind

of in the same area where Abraham almost

sacrifices Isaac oh so it's interesting

yeah and it's uh and and the cross when

in any artistic depiction at the foot of

the cross underneath it is the skull

uh representing the skull of Adam huh so

it's interesting

yeah yeah there it is yeah that's the

skull of Adam huh yep wow place of the

skull memory myth in the chapel of Adam

what did you uh find on the shroud of

Torin

Jamie both those articles just asked

like one person like one re researcher

thought it was another researcher based

off of their research said it wasn't can

you put it to the one that thought it

was um so the one who thought it was is

a like

aarch a nuclear researcher Jesus Christ

the other one was like a AI artist from

Brazil yeah so I I don't know who has

the

most so it says study published in the

journal Heritage the authors conducted

dating work on a sample from the Shroud

coming to the conclusion that it may be

a 2,000-year-old relic the Shroud which

has long been the subject of intense

scrutiny features a faint image of a man

some believe is the body of Jesus

miraculously imprinted onto the cloth

while the latest study does not discuss

the question whether or not the artifact

was indeed Jesus's b b uh burial shroud

specifically the authors did find its

age is roughly consistent with his time

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oh yeah yeah I think isn't the

smithonian guy all for it I don't know

maybe that's him I don't know but uh

yeah there's for and against there's

always been yeah yeah always but it's

just but the but the but the image is

like yeah it's pretty crazy yeah

whatever it is is pretty crazy and the

fact that they don't know how they made

it is also pretty crazy yeah it's not a

painting no then not not exactly sure

how it even came about yeah it had to

have been some kind of intense light

well the the thought was that even

trying to replicate something like that

today would be incredibly difficult to

do sure it's like an x-ray vision you

know it's like an x-ray that's what it

they you only see you really see it in

the negative only right you know right

it's like a negative yeah yeah H

hey I buy it but but but that's not the

only reason I buy it I mean I think you

know there's other logical reasons why I

why I believe so like what are those oh

okay stuff that happens in your own

life the results you

get from actually

appealing to a power greater than

yourself you know and I mean I don't

think it's any secret I am flawed in the

fact that I am by Nature born an

alcoholic right I did drugs I did

alcohol so and there was nothing that

could

stop me from doing

that nothing so I was really kind of on

you're on a downhill

run so I regard the fact that I was able

to appeal to something greater than

myself to help me and actually stop me

doing that I think that's a miracle it

is for me it is and for many you know so

well that is the thing about AA right

it's it's a part of the whole process is

appealing to a higher power sure it's

spiritual program because you're

suffering your spiritual malady you know

yeah so it's a spiritual

cure and that's the essence I think of

why it

works because you can't explain it

otherwise I mean it's well you kind of

can but

um I think what you're being asked to do

is to think

about other people and other things more

than yourself because it's kind of an

ego disease yeah so if you that is the

problem with addiction right it's very

narcissistic very narciss you're

constantly thinking about yourself and

what you need I need a drink I need a

bump I need a you know I need something

sure I need and no matter what you need

it's never going to be enough right

right so you actually have to appeal to

something outside that you consider

bigger and better than yourself which

instantly kind of pushes you more in the

direction of humility because because

you're not the center of the universe

anymore right and that you can't do it

and the first step in any of that sort

of stuff is accepting that you are

powerless over it that's the first

that's the first uh that's the most

power powerful step you can do is that

you're powerless when you realize that

you're like okay yeah there's [ __ ] all I

can do about this I have to appeal to

something better than me and that to me

is a

miracle yeah yeah well it's a very

uniquely human thing the ability to

course correct and also just the the

concept of addiction in the first place

sure you know it's a very uniquely human

thing that we all know there's dark

roads our mind can go down and then we

wonder like what is the purpose of these

dark thoughts what is the purpose of

this destructive behavior that we're all

prone to in some way shape or form what

is the purpose of everything I mean like

I mean why am I here what's the meaning

of this and I'm looking for purpose and

and uh what is it we're here for I think

you know we have to leave some stuff but

you have to leave some good stuff you

can leave plenty of bad stuff you know

and it's uh and we're all prone that way

I often think about you know the human

race as a whole you know you think about

guys like you know Stalin or Hitler or

chairman Mau or and I'm I'm pretty sure

I'm not going to be sharing a cell in

the afterlife with those guys you know

right I don't know where I'll be on the

ladder but uh um depends on how you end

up right well that's it yeah it really

is it's it's like you know and we're

allowed to make mistakes and we do we

are so flawed and I am I I'm more flawed

than anyone you know but it's uh um

something that you I think and it's

pretty safe to say I'm in the third act

now you're in act two right go do tight

but I'm I'm like I'm in the third act

man so you got you have to think

about the other side you to think about

what comes next is there a next yes

there is I believe there is and I think

it's U uh depends on how you live

now and uh and the beauty

of believing is

that even for your transgressions you

can be

forgiven and you can be redeemed but

it's all up here right you know is the

true acceptance and understanding of

what you've done and what you should do

sure you have to look at yourself

honestly yeah yeah yeah absolutely

honestly you have to be able to accuse

use

yourself and uh and understand that

there is there it's a great deal of

Mercy involved in the fact that I

believe that God

sent his son down to tell us okay I'm

going to Ransom you people from your

Fallen nature and um and I'll give you a

road map on how to do

it and

um and people do it there's even people

that do it that I've never even heard of

it you know some guy in the jungle some

place I'm sure right you

know

because the Creator is above the

law me it's an interesting fact to note

that the first canonized Saint you know

who it was no the first ever confirmed

canonization as a

saint was dismus you know dismus was no

he was hanging he was the thief on the

cross next to Jesus Oh and he says to

him you're going to be okay this day

you'll be with me unbaptized Criminal

all that stuff so wow the lawmaker is

above the

law so there's a lot of

Mercy what about people that never

experience Christianity what about the

the uncontacted people that's right

that's what I'm saying some guy in the

Le yeah it's been

known that uh it's called Invincible

ignorance because they don't know what

the truth is MHM you know it's possible

that they can

be saved as well I you know so what are

your thoughts on

Evolution

W the Darwin thing yeah I don't really

go for it no yeah Ice Age dinosaurs you

know what did they turn

into I

mean things became extinct at some point

I don't think I was some kind of

like you know legless thing that crawled

out of the ocean I don't think I came

from that I think I was created do you

think other things were legless things

that came out of the ocean do you think

like multi-celled organisms came out of

single celled organisms

and there was some sort of a natural

selection and random mutation and it led

to everything else but us sure look at

gain of function right you can like you

can make stuff happen and I'm sure stuff

did happen um but I think it's all part

of creation I think it's all ordered I

think anyone left anything left to

itself without some kind of intelligence

behind it will devolve into chaos and so

that there has to be some big

intelligence that orchestrates

everything not that we don't have chaos

in the world but I think that's our own

making but what do you think separates

us from all the other creatures wow I

think we have a soul we're created with

a

soul um and you know I went to a

restaurant last night it was a

steakhouse in

Austin and it was interesting because

all the pictures on the wall are

pictures of animals that look resentful

like cows and steers staring at you

looking angry as you rip into a

stake but

um I just believe we we are higher than

those creatures because we have a soul

we have an intellect above theirs and uh

and we aspire to to higher things we

have we have aspirations right um and

you know this is part of why people

drink and smoke and do dope and all this

kind of stuff is because they're looking

for a a spiritual experience they're

looking for like they actually call

alcohol Spirits I mean it's they're

looking for something higher and I think

we all have that yearning in that we

want to be happy and uh we want to be at

peace and we want everything to be hunky

dory so there's this yearning in buil in

all of us for

that to Aspire to something

greater and that's why we're inspired by

stories I think because it's like U you

know Hero Stories you know Joseph

Campbell stuff the hero with a thousand

faces and stuff it's like these stories

Inspire us I met I I was at a party the

other day in in uh in Tennessee and you

think Tennessee what's going to happen

there it's going to be squeal like a pig

no man there's some people live in

Tennessee sure but like amazing people

and I found myself in a conversation

with four tier one dudes

all of who did something

extraordinary and it was that Tom

Slatterly guy it was the Blackhawk Down

guy there was Shawn Ryan who's he's got

you probably heard of this guy friend of

his yeah right yeah there was

um a guy called Christian craige head

you know who that guy is no whoa and

then there was uh

Eddie they wrote a book about him Eddie

gallager Gallagher Yeah Eddie Gallagher

I was talking to four of these guys at

the same time and I didn't know who to

who do you even talk

to but their stories are amazing

especially and the one guy I ended up

talking to was an sas guy British

SAS he just looks like a bank

teller but he did something

extraordinary and in incredibly Brave

and uh and with no regard for himself

only regard for other people and it was

like

whoow you hear these stories and it's

sort of just like it pumps you up you

think would I could I do that could I be

that person I don't know if I could I

don't in in a way I don't even want to

ever find out because you have to be in

an extreme situation right but um but

hearing about other people and how they

behave in situations that are difficult

is very inspiring so you know it's uh

yeah there's so many of those stories

around and through history well that's

another unique thing about human beings

is that we learn from others in a very

extraordinary way and that's one of the

reasons why we like stories yeah why we

like myths and fables because there's

there's lessons you can apply to your

own life without having to actually go

through those things yeah well that's

right I made a film about that guy um uh

Desmond Doss you know I don't know if

you saw it it was like hacksaw Ridge it

was this film and it was about a medic

who figured so much killing going on

he's going to go into the battlefield

and save lives and he didn't have a

weapon and he was in the worst place on

Earth and he he got a a a Congressional

Medal of Honor because he kept going in

to the worst place possible and dragging

wounded guys

out with no regard for himself I mean

who does that kind of stuff right and

over and over again he didn't just do it

once he did it hundreds of times he of

got you know hit with shrapnel and a

bunch of other stuff but he lived to be

an old man but wow and it was just pure

Faith you know so you know those guys

that those kind of stories Inspire the

hell out of

me anyway so when back to this uh idea

of evolution so do do you believe that

Evolution exists in

animals do you think there's some sort

of a natural selection process process

or do you think that it is all

intelligent

design

um well I think everything was

created right and maybe things do move

on and adapt and change through time but

I think that that's a function of an

intelligence

also and I mean look at the fires in La

you know I mean what's that going to do

it's going to give me a new house you

know maybe maybe and uh or a new place

to live yeah

something yeah I'm just not totally

convinced I feel it and and I can't

really I'm sorry I can't intellectually

tell you why I don't believe in

evolution but I don't it's just a

feeling I don't think I was some

ape or I don't think my ancestors were I

think they had to be pretty smart to

survive so what do you think all these

prehuman hominids are that they keep

discovering like what tell me what a

prehuman homonid is Australia pithecus

or some of the other humanik creatures

that never made it like Dennis ens

neander tals yeah yeah stuff like that

okay well they've got something called

zinjanthropus you remember him no

zinjanthropus man and he was like you

look kind of like this but it was like

they they looked at it and they did some

core samples on it and it was put out

there by people advocating Evolution and

they discovered that it was a human

skull attached to the jaw of of an ape

oh I do remember this was a HOA yeah

there's been some hoaxes yeah yeah but

there's also been real stuff really yeah

you don't think so well maybe well what

well you know like I don't know tell me

uh well what was that one that we looked

at the other day that was one of the

first uh prehuman that buried their

their their young or buried their dead

rather it was a homo n naldi what was

it you remember that

I can't remember how to say it but lady

no lady yeah there a prehuman homed very

small creature that buried their young

or buried their dead rather I keep

saying buried their young they buried

their dead um you know Australopithecus

there's there's a bunch of different you

know the Lucy skeleton there's a bunch

of different prehuman hominids yeah

maybe they were monkeys I don't know you

know yeah well there was they're similar

to us just not where we are they're on

the road to becoming what what it means

to be a human being yeah I don't know I

don't know what do you think those are I

don't know they could be animals or they

could be like look at today I mean you

can get some mosquito can bite you and

and your kid can be born with a

malformed skull or something it's like

uh you know they have those you know

yeah but this is like a like a genetic

thing like they've done they've mapped

the Genome of these creatures they're

different yeah

well I don't know how to explain those

Joe I don't know but but you do think

that human beings were created by God

sure I do yeah when do you think that

happened when oh probably and not that

long ago really no not really like what

do you mean by not that long ago

probably only about 8,000 years ago

really yeah so what do you think things

like gockley tape are when they find

these constructions that are dated

carbon dated to 11,000 plus years old I

question carbon dating really

yeah that makes things a lot simpler

well yeah they there yeah well there's a

lot of money in in in you know claims

and I don't know uh water's there

yeah well carbon dating seems to be

pretty Rock Solid studies yeah I mean

science the science behind radiocarbon

dating and detecting carbon Isotopes

it's like that's pretty yeah pretty

legit

yeah I don't know I can't Square it yeah

well you don't have to and I don't have

to and I and what difference is it going

to make to me yeah that's the thing it's

uh it doesn't make a difference in terms

of your experience in this life on Earth

no like you you can have your faith and

your ideas and live a great life from

beginning to end and it might not suit

you to really Ponder Evolution and all

the puzzles and problems no

it doesn't you know yeah and I just like

you know I look at all sorts of stuff

like that like you know the you know the

icebergs melting and the water

overflowing it's not ever have a glass

full of ice and watch it melt did you

ever see the glass flow over no takes up

less room you know yeah you know the hot

Greenhouse whatever you know I well

there's a lot of horseshit that's

involved in climate change for sure I've

studied that and I've T had many

discussions over the last four years the

problem with anything is that one a

narrative gets established and then

there's a profit attached to the

solution to that narrative yes and

that's green energy and green energy

bills and there's businesses that are

wrapped around there and then there's

also this fear that they love to pump

into people about climate change that

you know they terrify the [ __ ] out of

young people that we're going to destroy

the world and climate change you must

act now and then you become beholden to

the political party that is espousing

these ideas and then their your enemy is

the deniers of this science even though

you don't even understand the science

yeah and did you see the Washington Post

uh article that they published recently

about uh temperature change on Earth no

well there's a

down like what they've realized is over

the last you know x amount of thousands

of years that the temperature on Earth

is plummeting yeah and it's dropping and

then when they look at the the dips this

is the most important thing for anybody

that's really freaked out about climate

change

there's no static temperature of Earth

ever there's never been a time where it

maintains a temperature until human

beings came along and [ __ ] it all up

that is just not real before human

beings ever existed if you trust these

core samples there's been a giant rise

and fall and this constant dip I there

it is yeah scientists have captured

earth's climate over the last 485

million years here's a surprising place

we stand now look at the dip at the end

whoa that's where we are that's that's

reality and then if you look at the

course of history you look at the rise

and fall like it's never a straight line

way before human beings ever existed if

you believe these silly people way

before human beings had ever existed

there's always this rise and fall and

this idea that the whole thing is based

on carbon emissions from human beings is

total [ __ ] mhm it's not true we

might be having an effect but we're

having a small effect a very small

effect and the other things are

completely outside of our control

including solar activity the distance

between the Earth and the Sun M you know

there's a lot of factors there's there's

all sorts of factors involving natural

activities like volcanic emissions you

know which devastate you know the entire

human race was knocked down to a few

thousand people yeah at one point in

time because of the Toba volcano oh my

God yes yeah no light yeah no light for

years good luck yeah yeah good luck and

the people that survive are [ __ ]

barbarians yeah this most Savage and

then they takes a long time before they

can figure out civilization again after

that it's like dinosaurs they just stop

mhm so what did they evolve into

chickens I guess Birds Raptors well they

think a lot of dinosaurs had feathers

now yeah that's the the newest thing

yeah maybe you don't think so I don't

know I need to take a pee I'm so

desperate let's take a PE let's take a

pee we'll take a break we'll be right

back take a p it's a nice

picture

it's that's got to be a moment in your

head where you just like every now and

then just go [ __ ] yeah

yeah it is funny yeah but it was a good

picture the only thing that was going

through my head

was

okay I can't I just can't look bad

and I didn't have anything no grooming

implements so I just tried tried my best

to not look too bad there you

go yeah you talk about humility like

what gives you more humility than being

publicly humiliated sure yeah public

humiliation and it's you know what most

for most people it is their number one

fear sure is public humiliation yeah

yeah yeah public speaking and because of

that public humiliation sure yeah

happens all the time cuz we're so

concerned about other people's opinions

of us I guess yeah cuz we're not our own

opinions well you've been through a lot

well so have you I mean I remember you

know I think they were they were giving

you a grilling once for taking Hors worm

medicine yeah funny which yeah funny how

that works yeah funny how that works

funny how funny how that does work yeah

what's really funny is uh how that was

that de a part of the demise of

mainstream media mhm because people were

like well this is crazy this doesn't

make are you guys really the news like

what is this yes I know it seemed to be

they seem to be complicit with a a

100% And you know you think well why but

why because of money I think this is

what we were talking about before that

there is good and evil and sometimes it

manifests itself in a very clear and

obvious way and I think that's what that

was that was evil that was putting

people's lives second and putting money

first well I I know why fou still

walking around how is that guy still

walking around I don't get if just

people understand the history of the

AIDS crisis and what that guy did back

then did you read that book yeah yeah I

read the book I listened to it yeah I

did I drove up to San Francisco and I

listened to it and I had road rage oh

yeah and it was like whoa um how is he

still there how is first of all people

that don't believe it how come RFK Jr

didn't get sued yeah how come there's no

lawsuits if there was lies there would

be lawsuits he'd be publicly humiliated

instead they kept that book off

bestseller lists that book sold millions

of copies they hit it that's when you

find out that bestseller lists are

actually curated it's not really

bestseller yeah it's censored it's all

censored everything's censored you know

but that book is an accurate depiction

of what Anthony fouchy did during the

AIDS crisis which probably was an a

crisis yeah was an AE crisis I mean it's

it's fairly incontrovertible now that he

was fooling with gain of function 100%

and you know it's you know what why is

he still around right uh or at least

free right right and no repercussions

yeah whatever happened to that story

where you know the wombat and and the

weasel got together and they were

horsing around in a bat pissed on with a

golden shower you know it's like and all

of a sudden it was in a wet Market very

wet Market you got you know complete

total horseshit and totally the

scientists that we're supposed to to

trust were pitching that horeshit the

AIDS thing some green monkey bit a

quantis steart on the ass then he went

around the world and got everybody sick

and it was like you know ridiculous if

you want to go to the AIDS rabbit hole

look up a guy named Peter duberg oh yes

I know I read that book yeah that is

crazy cuz if he's telling the truth this

is the [ __ ] covid crisis times a

thousand MH yeah I had him on the

podcast way back in the day it was one

of the earlier guests that I had it was

like way back in like 2010 it was one of

the first times I got openly attacked

for someone being on the podcast they

was like blood is on on your hands I'm

like first of all no it's not it's 2010

who's dying of AIDS zero people so stop

it's not bloods on your hand like if

this guy's correct he's a tenur

professor at the University of

California Berkeley who is like his work

on cancer is you know everybody thinks

it's groundbreaking work brilliant

doctor but he was a heretic he was a guy

who stood outside of Fouch Nar Doctrine

and the narrative and he said I don't

believe that HIV is what's causing this

when all these people that are having

these immune systems are all heavy drug

users yeah he's like I think this is a

disease of a decimation of the immune

system due to heavy drug use and then on

top of that you're prescribing this

chemical this a that kills people yeah

no they stopped using it for

chemotherapy because it was killing them

quicker than cancer was I was in the

Sydney Theater Company in the 90s

and I was going to a funeral once a

month of

friends they were all dying it's crazy

in in in the 80s and 90s and they were

all getting a yeah maybe yeah I don't

know well the ones that were getting act

even the ones that were asymptomatic

yeah like Magic Johnson they were giving

Magic Johnson act he had to stop taking

it yeah because he was making him sick

it was killing him yeah yeah I read it

and like it's even with rfk's book and

and he's an amazing guy people say oh

he's kooky he's crazy he's not crazy

he's not he's he's one of the most

aidite you know he's they say he's an

antivaxer he's not he's not he's like

he's he's he's a very shrewd he's never

lost a case I don't think when he brings

something to suit I don't think he's

ever been defeated but that book is not

just him it's him and about a thousand

highly qualified scientists and

Physicians commenting on yes the whole

situation so when you read it it's it's

a pretty convincing document and you're

right nobody sued him for it yeah

you know it's pretty scary well not not

only do they not sue him their their

response is to try to ignore it they

don't want to debate him on it they

don't want to do anything they want to

just ignore it and hope it goes away but

it doesn't go away and the more people

talk about it the more people read it

and when you do read it and you go if

this is true what the [ __ ] is going on

and how is that monster still loose yeah

oh well and he seems like a monster the

way he talks about things he just seems

well first of all there's so many

instances of him lying there's many like

where he said one thing two years later

it turns out to be a lie said one like

whether whether it is the

um the mask thing whether it's the

natural

spillover you know the the lies about

gain a function to Congress you know

sure when he was lying to Rand Paul

about whether or not they did gain a

function research like how is that not

perjury how is he not in trouble yeah

well well hey other Mysteries you know

well then the Biden Administration is

now talking about taking that guy and

and giving him a full pardon it's like

[ __ ] crazy yeah they might you know I

gave h a pardon yeah but but hunter like

Hunter didn't need a pardon was he

indicted well I mean he was in trouble

for tax evation oh I see there's a lot

of tax problems he's he he definitely

did some uncool things and then there's

the barisma thing but the crazy thing

about his pardon is it starts at the

time of him being involved in barisma so

it's from

2011 all the way to today right that's

that's what he hardened him it's the the

biggest sweeping pardon that anyone's

ever received ever and Biden's pardoned

more people than anybody ever too yeah

he was already over 8,000 people

pardoned yeah a lot of criminals on

death throw and stuff well there's that

and but then there's also people that

like the kids for cash judges MH you

know the where they were locking up kids

and putting them in CH child detention

centers because they wanted money and

they were doing it for Kickbacks yeah I

saw that a documentary yeah evil again

what we're talking about Good and Evil

yeah like there these are real things

and

rational people that profess themselves

to be intelligent and secular they don't

want to believe in Good and Evil they

don't think that they're they just think

people do bad things people have

motivations they do bad things but they

don't want to believe in the concept of

Good and Evil because these are biblical

Concepts they are right yeah and I you

know they've been around since the

beginning and people want to pretend

they're smarter than the people that

sort of embrace these biblical Concepts

right or yeah I think uh that goes into

Evolution again does are we smarter than

our grandparents you know I don't know

well we are about some things but we

can't survive the way they did nope they

are obviously intelligent yeah it's just

they didn't have access to information

the way we do but there's a difference

between information and intelligence

sure

yeah I don't have many devices for

information I read books I read mostly

history books yeah yeah oh I got a a

recommended book to you okay it's

fascinating and it's I it's called the

Frontiersman and it's about a guy called

Simon Kenton you ever hear this guy no

whoa and it was written by a guy who's

now deceased his name is Alan

eert and it is really about opening up

Ohio and Kentucky and places like that

with this guy Simon

Kenton who was just an Irish

immigrant he wasn't much for farming and

stuff but he thought he killed a

guy and so he ran away because he

thought he'd be indicted for some crime

or something and he ended up being this

Frontiersman and it is it's a very

interesting document because

you get the history of what was going on

at the time when the country was opening

up between the settlers and the Indians

you know the shaune in there one of the

most brutal books I've ever read really

oh it's it's very well and it has a

narrative but it's reconstructed from

his you know all kinds of historical

documents and letters and Diaries and

all this kind of stuff so I think the

guy took about 15 years to sort of

compile all this stuff and write it and

the first half of the book is about this

guy Simon Kenton and the second half is

about

tumza you know the

chief really great book one of the one

of the most fascinating books I read you

can't put it down really y because it's

just like it's like little chapters I'm

going to get that right now have you

ever read the Empire of the summer Moon

nope Empire of the summer moon is uh

about the kamanche oh yeah and it's all

about the settling of this area it's

[ __ ] incredible and again one of the

most brutal books ever so this is the

Frontiersman the Frontiersman by Alan

eert

yeah I'm going to cat that right now

just so that I make sure that I have

it yeah and it's all in a little

bite-sized

chunks and it

actually for a history book it has this

incredible

narrative with heroes and villains and

and uh all the players

very interesting

document I'm getting it right now yeah

oh

yeah don't read it before bed no no it

gets pretty it gets pretty

dark what why are you uh so drawn to

history I don't know I think because

maybe I'm trying to learn something it's

been about 80 years since the last big

war Alan eert got it I think I just want

to learn you know I mean my dad went to

World War II he went to gule Canal right

got bit by mosquitoes he had you know

malaria which is interesting to note

that he used to take hydroxy chloric

when he get a malaria attack crazy and

then when I tried when my doctor

recommended I get it when I had covid

they gouged me 800 it used to cost him

30 bucks they wanted 800 bucks for they

were gouging well not only that when

Trump talked about it then they all of a

sudden they demonized it yeah yeah they

laughed yeah yeah which is crazy because

it's an antiviral it works yeah it works

on malaria yeah yeah and people have

been taking it forever sure pregnant

women can take it if they have the flu

and it doesn't hurt the baby you know

pretty safe it's like ior mton you know

but that's what's so bizarre about the

time that we just went through because

there's more information now available

to people instantaneously than ever

before you look it up on your phone

instantly know oh Iver meon the guy who

created it won the Nobel Prize yeah 2014

yeah 15 yeah for use in human beings

yeah yeah so what the [ __ ] is going on

yep like how who's running this thing

and it's harmless and it wasn't made for

horses it was made for people and then

they used it for horses right right so

well it's like saying penicillin is for

horses because they use that on horses

too like that's stupid they told me it

was from moldy bread that's what it was

from yeah yeah but I mean there's a lot

of medication that's used on animals too

you can't say it's a Veterinary

medication just cuz it's also used on

animals

that's true it's been used on literally

prescribed billions of times on human

beings yeah it's like the stem cell

stuff they started using it on horses

with empatic lung conditions race horses

because they would bleed and they got

the stem cells from the from the

umbilical cords of their offspring

injected it into them and it healed

their

lungs which is part of my story MH

because I smoked for 45 years and I

couldn't stop and I read this silly book

by Alan Carr not the little guy who you

know managed the Village People in the

cfan the little fat guy but no this

other guy Alan Carr and he wrote this

book and it's the only thing that made

me stop it work like crazy but the book

made you stop like what the book made me

stop I read this book it was the book

called the easy way to stop smoking and

it's a silly title right and it was sad

my son gave it to me he said stop

smoking Dad here here's this book I left

it on I used to walk past the bookshelf

and go Dumb Book dumb title you know and

then I finally my doctor said you have

first stage empyema and I'm like you got

to be kidding me he said yeah you got to

K the SM I better read this book so I

read the book and I

stopped right so it was uh um I think it

was like neurolinguistic programming or

something like that you read it and you

kind of self- hypnotize yourself but it

worked what did the book tell you like

it said uh it didn't tell you you're bad

you're you know you're going to die it

didn't tell you all that sort of stuff

it was

like I mean they had things like maybe

maybe I'm blowing it but uh they had a

chapter where it says okay we focused on

the negative aspects of smoking now

we're going to talk about the good

aspects of smoking in the next chapter

and then you turn the page and the page

is

empty you know and it's just a trick

it's a mind trick the whole thing was a

mind trick but it worked and I don't

know why it worked but it was s sort of

like self- hypnosis while you're reading

the book and it wasn't a negative thing

like I got to stop this it's bad it's

bad I'm I'm scared it wasn't even that

in fact if I hadn't had the stem cells

afterwards my lungs completely healed

from that by the way did it do it

intravenously yeah intravenous and it

gets stuck in your lungs and it was Dr

Reen that was Reen yeah we talked yeah

yeah yeah it worked stem cells are

incredible and the fact that you can't

get them the way they can get them in

overseas we can get it in Panama where

Ruden has his clinic and Tijana they're

getting better here they're getting

better but there's so much resistance

because of the FDA yeah sure and the

resistance is purely because of money

it's again it's an evil thing it's not

because they're they're not effective

it's not because they're dangerous it's

just because of money I think so and um

you know there's an agenda I think you

know farmer wants to keep you on stuff

yeah they want to sell you something so

if there's a a Surefire cure for

something it's not necessarily hailed no

um well and then there's also the

problem of the media the media's lock

step in with these businesses that are

promoting these things yes and they're

not giving you information they're

giving you propaganda before they're

giving you information propaganda is

more important to them than information

yeah and that's what's crazy it's like

we we're counting on you guys and you

[ __ ] us you [ __ ] us for four years

with this covid thing and now you expect

us to listen to you about the [ __ ]

swine flu or the bird flu or whatever

other thing you're trying to freak us

out about which always coincides with

some sort of a political event like here

it is the inauguration of the new

president and oh look at this there's a

new disease what do we got now what is

it do you think there will be well there

is there's this [ __ ] swine flu H5 N1

whatever is I thought it was bird flu

one bird flu one person died one person

in America first person died 65 years

old with a bunch of comorbidities yeah

okay and which is usually what it is but

by the way 65 people with a bunch of

comorbidities die all the time of

nothing they die of anything any I mean

this is like a car that's falling apart

and you run over a nail and oh the nail

killed the car no that car was falling

the [ __ ] apart yeah like the the nail

you ran over was the last nail in the

coffin but the thing was falling apart I

got Co from my

Gardener and he had it first and then I

got it I was like ah did I grab the hose

or what you know what was I don't know

but uh it was um it was I knew the guy

for 20 years and we both went to the

same Hospital hospital and he died and I

didn't

Jesus I think we both got REM Des of

here which is not good not good not good

causes kidney failure I know I I

couldn't walk for three months after I

had that stuff really because it kills

you I found that afterwards it kills you

that's why I wonder about fouchy you

know oh you should wonder about that guy

when meanwhile they were trying to stop

people from getting monoclonal

antibodies yeah yeah yeah theyve

restricted monoclonal antibodies which

is [ __ ] insane because they wanted to

promote That vaccine because they wanted

a profit off of it which brings us back

again to evil Evil's real it's real

putting money over human lives is evil I

agree it's a it's a real thing and

there's a there's a temptation to do it

too which is even more crazy yeah I

don't believe that there is anything

that can afflict mankind that hasn't got

a natural cure for it I think that that

has to be it just makes sense to me now

I couldn't prove that but I just believe

believe that yeah that there's got to be

something that cures things and I'll

tell you a good story

okay I have three

friends all three of them at stage four

cancer all three of them don't have

cancer right now at all and they had

some serious stuff going on and what did

they

take

Jesus they took

some what you've heard they've taken

icting

fendol fendol yeah yeah I'm hearing that

a lot they drank hydrochloride something

or other there's studies on that now

where people have proven that they

drinking methylene blue and stuff like

yeah methylene blue which was a fabric

dye yeah yeah was a textile die and now

they find it has profound effects on

your mitochondria yep yeah this stuff

works man there's a lot of stuff that

does work which is very strange because

again it's

when you when you hear about things that

are demonized and that that turn out to

be effective you always wonder well what

is going on here MH how is how is our

medical institutions how have they

failed us so that things that do cure

you are not promoted because they're not

profitable that they can't control it

they don't have a patent on it whether

it's vitamin D K2 and magnesium you know

well yeah I'm

doing I do all that stuff did did you do

the Brea thing yeah yeah yeah me too I

lost I lost like 30 pounds right it's

fantastic I was talking to Dana and he

said oh you know I was a and he and I

said yeah I got to do something about

this I'm like I'm 510 235 you know

that's too fat yeah so I had to I had to

sort of roll it back some now I'm under

200 which is about that's great should

be you know but and it was that uh Brea

stuff no Gary's a National Treasure yeah

[ __ ] on all over the place too oh sure

going to sauna but I feel better oh yeah

oh I do all that stuff yeah yeah cold

plunge Sono I'm ritualistic with it yeah

that's good it's part of my everyday

life you I hear your your cold plunge is

like 34 I don't understand that though I

mean dude 34 degrees whoa yeah it's cold

that's hardcore yeah you get accustomed

to it it to me is not I mean it sucks

every time I do it I'm like don't do it

don't there's like the part of me that's

like my inner [ __ ] it's like oh we

don't have to do this we don't have to

do this but luckily the general is

strong than the inner [ __ ] the general

is always tell shut the [ __ ] up and get

in there and I just get in there every

day but I do like 48 man that inner

[ __ ] is always talking though he never

shuts up no never shuts up don't ever

think that it like even though I do it

every day anybody who's like I don't

know how you do it I don't know how I do

it either but I [ __ ] do it I make

sure I do it I just I'm the boss yeah do

you do the saunas too you do the red

light bed I I have a red light bed yeah

I have a sauna red light bed I have a

hyper barar chamber wow I have

everything okay I think baric Chambers

is the best man it's

incredible I got to get back in there I

feel like I got more holes in my head

it's phenomenal for just overall

recovery of for everything and it's it's

also been shown to lengthen telr they

did a study out of Israel yeah they gave

people a protocol over 90 days you do 60

sessions of 90 minutes over 90 days yeah

and it's shown the length in telr and

decrease your biological age okay and

you just feel [ __ ] great that makes

sense to me yeah yeah you're flooding

your body with oxygen most diseases a

lot of them come from a lack of oxygen

you know your body not having enough

oxygen is very bad for you yeah I used

to have a chigong master this is what

kind of blows my mind about medicine and

about ancient stuff mhm this guy is from

Shanghai he didn't speak much English

right a little bit his wife would

translate for him and he'd come in and

he could like Point At You

right from this far away and you'd feel

it but like feel it like to the as

palpable as someone pushing you around

it's

like really yeah yeah yeah I'm not

kidding like like what year was this

when this is happening oh [ __ ] I met him

when I was like 40 yeah he only just

passed away um damn too bad I'd like to

meet that guy oh no there's people like

him there are others like him oh yeah

he's not the only one he learned it from

somebody and I think he I think he

imparted some knowledge but you know he

would get you and he could he could like

Point At You and stuff like that and it

it makes you wonder like how did they

build the pyramids you know I mean if if

he can use his

mind and kind of get into quantum

physics and move [ __ ] around with

thought and with energy there's actual

energy coming out of his

fingers they could have built a pyramids

like that I don't know maybe somebody

had that down somewhere but well I'd

like to hear a better explanation me too

well it's it was really weird I he uh

time he was working on me and he was

working on my liver he said your liver

is blocked cuz he looks at you and if

you look at him he looks away and his

wife engages you while he checks you out

and then he gives you a little body map

and he puts X's all over it and you go

yeah that's right I got a pain here and

a thing there and you know he knows

where everything is he knows exactly

what's going on did you ask him what he

is he seeing your aura like what is he

seeing everything he sees everything he

was an alpath doctor first he went to

medical school he could write your

prescription he could do all that stuff

he was a doctor and then he saw a Chung

Master this old guy and people were

lining up getting cured and he thought

that's really interesting and he learned

that on top of being an alpath doctor so

one day he's at me on my back and he's

pushing and I can feel my back and I'm

at the wall and there's a poster of a

film on the wall you know my office and

I'm looking and I can see him in the

background and he's like down like this

like ah

like Kung Fu pointing pointing rays of

energy at me and he hit me he started

yelling at my organ at my liver like get

out you know whatever and I I went up

the wall and there was like8 inches of

air under my heels and I was up the wall

and I was like whoa and I came back down

and it freaked me out and he I looked at

him and he just went ah he said don't

die just science like that just science

okay just science yeah just science and

I was so freaked out I went to a priest

I said is this guy demonic or something

because he's lifted me off the wall and

and the priest was like he was an old

Jesuit right a traditional old guy and

he was he was a cross between Jimmy

Stewart and Omer fud you know that's

that's the way he sounded and I said is

this anything like demonic about this

guy like putting he says who whoa who

did he heal you like that and I said why

yes he did and he said that's right then

and he says I have no trouble with

something like that because it was it

was within the realm of possibility that

somebody had power like that and then

it's

inexplicable but that it works and it

did work he yeah he just passed away he

was pretty old there was a a place that

you know I bought a comedy club out here

and before uh the building that we

bought was the Ritz Theater on 6th

Street but before that I was under

contract to another building then this

other building was owned by a cult and

this is a crazy story The Cult was awful

horrible there's a documentary on it

it's called holy hell and this guy who

was a gay porn star and a hypnotist he

was a yoga instructor got a bunch of

people in in West Hollywood and then

eventually moved them all out here to

Austin but what this guy was doing one

of the things that he would do to his

disciples is he would do a thing called

The Knowing and they had to be chosen

for it they had to earn it

and when he would get them and bestow

The Knowing upon them he would touch

their head and they would have this

incredible experience where they said

they contacted God now all these people

denounced him eventually they left the

cult they all said he was a con man and

this and that but they all talked about

that

experience and they said it was the most

profound experience of their life that

they really do feel like they came in

contact with God and it's like what can

a person

if a person truly believes and this

other person truly believes that they

can do this to them and they have this

moment and something does happen like

what is is that all inside of us do

people have ways of pulling that out of

you that we've lost track of that we

don't know and even an evil person who's

running a cult and manipulating people

and exploiting people still has this

thing that he was able to do to them

that even after they've admitted that

this guy exploited them they say that

was the most profound moment of their

life that's interesting isn't it because

I

think

um yeah there are party tricks that you

can

get right but is that that party trick

if it really is a pathway to connect you

at least temporarily with God that there

is a thing inside of of us well that's

why I went to the priest because I

thought what because I'm off the floor

right right so I thought I got to check

this out cuz this is too weird and he

said did he heal you and I said he did

and he said that's all right then

because the guy wasn't trying to get

anything out of me right in fact he

never charged me the first time I went

to see him he charged

me and it was like okay and then he

never charged me again and he used to

call

me when I was sick really I wouldn't

call him he knew when I was sick he'd

call me he said yeah I need to come see

you I'm like okay so he had like some

sort of a direct with your energy

something pretty amazing yeah and and

and he could oh this is the other thing

he could teach you martial arts like

quickly without you having to know what

to

do it was a weird thing he did it

firstly with my

son who he got him for a couple of weeks

and like he said I want to show you

something and I went out there and he

blindfolded him he had these two swords

and he was doing all this you know this

crazy stuff I'm like what the I said how

did he how did he learn that so fast he

said it was in him and I'm like

whoa and then he started to he started

to do a thing with he taught me how to

harness this energy and to actually

begin what seemed to be almost like

involuntary movement and depending on

the hand mode you took it would create a

style of of Kata or self-defense I mean

I used to do like some I used to do a

crude martial art not crude but like a a

hard martial art what was it chenai okay

you know way back kushen karate yeah I

think it's Korean it's Japanese it is

yeah I can't remember but it's like you

know I didn't stick with it but it was

uh but but he he he got this whole other

approach of breathing and

visualizations that would actually draw

energy into your lower chakras and then

you you know you'd release the energy

and it would create this kind of

movement and I showed it to a friend of

mine who was a martial artist and I said

tell me about the footwork I'm doing

here and what I'm doing and he looked at

me he says that looks really good to me

I said it's it was kind of like uh

what's that really soft kind of mar ta

it was like that I was doing stuff like

that it was crazy and it was was really

a great release but it was about

visualization and

breath yeah and the release of those

that energy that you pent up from all

around

that you visualized coming manifesting

itself in you there's got to be

something to all that stuff people have

been practicing taichi for a long time

yeah they wouldn't be practicing to save

movements for all these years if it

didn't do something yeah pretty

interesting yeah it keeps people young

and healthy they do it in ch you see

groups of people out in in Asia sort of

out there in groups do it all in unison

it's like it's a good thing exercise

yeah what do you do now for exercise oh

gosh I'm terrible i've been I've come

off I'm falling apart I got this I got

dead dead guys Parts in my shoulder I've

got you know kadab Parts my this

shoulder fell apart this shoulder fell a

hip a foot was terrible I couldn't walk

for about a year almost really and so

you know you fall down that's partially

why I had to go and see Brea I sort of

mhm get the couch potato stuff off but

you know I I lift weights and I do some

you know walking and stuff like that

like really get your heart rate up and

stuff like that so you know I'm trying

Hey I'm I'm you know I'm 69 years old so

it's like it's getting to be like seven

decades worth you

know but I want to stay fit if I can and

I B I bang myself up a little too much

in my early life so I'm paying for it

now and like in your

60s man you're not there yet but stuff

starts like giving up on you y y it's

like I feel it in my 50s oh yeah how how

old are you

57 58 is when it starts man oh Jesus

yeah that's what I that's what that's

that's when I first noticed it was like

oh what's going on with this here the

shoulder and and I went down to rear and

of course we shot it up with stem cells

and it was good for like two years you

know you just got to keep going back

yeah yeah I didn't go back often enough

that's the thing I think it's just your

body's just not going to heal the way it

did when you were younger unless you

consistently get therapy for that yeah

yeah you're in good shape though yeah I

mean yeah so I was in reasonable shape

at 58 and uh I think I'm in reasonable

shape now but I'm I'm just uh you know

it's just trying to push the old man off

and using various methods to do it you

know yeah that's what it is keep the

body as young as you possibly can yeah

yeah and demand a lot from

it that's what I do yeah I just demand a

lot and make sure I recover I think a

lot of it's about meditation too you

know you can actually um get into a good

head space that kind of cools you out

and stops the stress even no matter

what's going on I'm going to have to do

it tonight when I find out whether I

still have a home or not you know yeah

so well if anything looks demonic it's

the fires in Los Angeles yeah I remember

uh one time we were filming Fear Factor

and we had a drive home we had to cancel

the shoot or end it early and drive home

because the fires had hit and this was

like up uh we were off the five

and driving home for 50 minutes on the

highway the right side of the highway

was in Flames yeah like Lord of the

Rings like Sauron is coming over the top

it looked [ __ ] insane it look it's

biblical yeah it looks insane and you

got to be careful too cuz you could

die can't breathe I mean come on if you

can't breathe or if the cars in front of

you catch fire and the wind blows this

way and all the cars Catch Fire and you

can't get off the road cuz the to the

right of you is on fire to the left you

is on fire and the fire is coming the

highway oh yeah yeah people have died

that way and it can happen in an instant

yep I got I got hung once by

mistake I I and it was I was on a film

set and I was I had my neck in a noose

and I and I was directing the film so I

was I'm on a ladder and I'm like so I'll

just be hanging here like this and then

the next thing I knew I was waking up I

was on the floor you know and there were

all these people standing over looking

at me and I'm saying what are you people

doing get to work you know it was like

and they said well you hung yourself I

said whoa you kidding me it happens in

an instant and you don't know it it

wasn't painful nothing I was just gone

well you probably got choked out yeah

choked out by the by The Noose and then

they grabbed me by the legs and got the

Rope off and Jesus like during

Braveheart it was oh really oh

wow was funny so I I found out what it

was like to sort of going into the next

realm but of course uh we we did uh uh I

I was fortunate enough to work with uh

with horon

Gracie 39 years ago yeah you know he'

just come from Brazil well I remember

when you were doing Lethal Weapon it was

the first time I'd ever seen Jiu-Jitsu

in a movie a leg choke on film yeah he

taught yeah Horan taught me the leg joke

he said now you grab your foot and you

okay and it was uh it was cool but it

was uh uh now my girlfriend does it and

she's like a purple belt so I've learned

really yeah I've learned not to talk

back she's legit she's legit yeah belts

Purple belt is basically a black belt

you just need a little bit more time yep

if you can get I always tell all

Jiu-Jitsu students if you can get to

Purple belt you are a black belt you're

going to be a black belt oh she will you

just got to stay on that path no she is

she's just obsessed with it so and she's

you know as I say I don't talk back to I

think the purple belt is the hardest

belt to get to it is cuz it's just like

in the beginning you're just getting

crushed mhm that's Jiu-Jitsu especially

for women it's so difficult for women

because they don't have the physical

strength that the men have yeah because

you can kind of get away with a lot of

if you're a big strong guy you can get

away with a lot of [ __ ] but then by the

time you get to Purple belt like man you

have to have real technique and you have

to have a real understanding of what's

going on she's got a good mind and I

think she's like like a chess player it

is like that CU I know from fighting

with

her she she wins arguments when she's

wrong so sometimes you let them win

though right yeah have to just like you

got to walk away oh yeah sometimes it's

like you got to go okay it's my second

thought in my first action yes yes yes

yes yes yeah but she got the purple belt

that's amazing yeah good for her it's

good for her yeah yeah a woman black

belt that's an unbelievably exceptional

woman they can get to that because they

have to roll with men and it's just

signicant disadvantage she do big dudes

and stuff and she's like you know she

she's done some exceptional things I've

heard so it's like uh yeah it's pretty

good and that's awesome yeah yeah yeah I

didn't follow it up you can still do it

no I'm a more baseball bat gun kind of

guy you know I'm in trouble I just like

you know that kind of stuff well be

careful with that in California you wind

up being in jail yeah that's true you

wind up using it to protect yourself and

they'll lock you up yes it's uh which is

also evil mhm yeah that happens a bit

Yeah mhm oh well it's yeah there's a

perverse nature in in our society right

now the law you know when you look at

your life now and you're on your third

act as you were saying like what what do

you look forward to these days is it

creating things it's creation yeah yeah

I think it is it's about creation and uh

I figure ah I'm not I'm I'm pretty

average at most things uh but I'm good

at a couple of things you know I I know

how to tell a story on film I know how

to do that I don't know that's a weird

place to be but I

think um a lot can be achieved by

Art and

image and you can convey a lot without

actually having to say it you can do

things to affect people emotionally or

spiritually

even without being

overt I always I always like to

reference a um just a

shot that and it's in a Scott movie

right and you don't know why it works

but or why it's effective on some level

but it's it's kind of a profound

effective shot and it's that first shot

in the Gladiator movie where he's

running his hand over the wheat right

with that music and stuff why does that

work I don't

know you can't explain it but it works

well rley Scott is a master yeah there

that's a that's a Visionary human being

mhm he sees things he knows how to shoot

yeah yeah and and that is that's really

good it's it's a valid Pursuit I think

in storytelling if you can do that

everything every time he goes out there

it's a it's eye candy It's A Feast for

the eyes you know do you have different

goals with like different projects like

obviously Flight Risk is entertainment

it's fun it's entertaining entertainment

yeah and uh yes different goals and it

was the other thing too is it's like

we're living in a different time now in

the film world I mean everything's

upside down and you have to compete in a

medium where you have less time less

money do it fast do it now and it's like

wow can I do that I always had the

luxury of like you know big budget and

3,000 people on horses and all this kind

of stuff or you know and and was able to

take my time with stuff but I had 22

days

and here here you got tell the story in

20 two days so I felt the challenge of

being able to do that and being able to

make

something that really got people that

they could watch it and enjoy it you

know and I'm glad you saw it I'm glad

you liked it um and that's all I want I

just want people to have a nice little

ride a fun ride entertainment but yes

you have different goals with things I

mean the next thing I'm going to tackle

is more profound for me it's going to

take more out of

me this is the resurrection story yeah

and I even have to change my entire life

to do it how

so you can't go into a

project as profound in nature as

that without somehow preparing yourself

for it it's like it's like preparing for

a fight you know it's like you have to

be fit for the fight and yeah so you

have to spiritually prepare yourself for

that and um and that's that's going to

take some sacrifice and um because you

know oh you know I profess this and I

profess that I'm not a great example of

Christianity you know I'm just you know

I'm flawed and I make a lot of mistakes

but I have to try and be better somehow

in order to go in and make that

film so what does that mean I think I

know what it means you know well one of

the things that I thought was uh

fascinating was reading uh and listening

to Jim cavel talk about his experience

Christ in your film yeah that it just

truly changed that guy's the course of

his whole life well it was fascinating

to watch him work actually and most of

the time I just like backed away because

he was doing something that and I've

seen a lot of people

portray Jesus in films right and I never

buy

it you can't quite buy it something

Creeps in the color that's not something

something's right or

discordant it and some of them are

pretty good but you never quite believe

it all the way what was the Willam defo

movie oh uh that was a Scorsese film

right what was that um called The Last

Temptation that's right that's right

which interestingly enough I was in a

hotel in the seavoy and I had food

poisoning I was near dead from I ate a

bad oyster in London and I was dying in

a hotel room and I couldn't even leave

it was the worst I think it was like

salmonella or something and I saw this

cord on the side of the bed and I pulled

it and all of a sudden a door opened up

and a butler like Jeeves came in he says

yes sir and I'm like whoa and I said I'm

really sick I said what do you think I

should eat might I suggest some warm

consum and a cup of tea I said Okay so

this Butler took care of me in this

hotel but while I was there scores he

calls the room and she says come here I

want to talk to you so I go in and talk

to Martin and he's in his room and all

the windows the screens are drawn he's

got 18 different TVs going on at the

same time in this dark room and he's

talking to me about The Last Temptation

Of Christ and he wants me to play Jesus

and I said whoa I'm not doing

it and I I sort of got out of there and

then I went back to my room and they

changed my room now this is really weird

they had changed my room and moved my

stuff and they told me they were going

to do it but I forgot so I'm using a key

to get into my room and it won't work

and the door opens up all of a sudden

and it's Keith Richards in his

underpants standing there staring

through me like like and and there's a

girl in a mink coat walking around it

mink coat and nothing else walking in

the background and and Keith Richard is

standing there in his underpants with a

spliff and I'm like I I tried to explain

that I thought it was my room but it

wasn't and you know it was ridiculous

I'm 26 years old and he just looks at me

like shuts the door in my face I thought

well that was my that was my meeting

with Keith Richards he slammed the door

in my face I was like it's fantastic you

know anyway but what were we talking

about Christ he did something I think

that nobody else did and I think he

pulled it off because I to I totally

like believed it I believed it too and

it was like what did he do he emptied

himself out yeah and he invited

something else in and he left it he he

just he didn't try anything he just he

emptied himself out and he

meditated and he let Christ in and that

role seemed to have had a profound

effect on him it did as a human being oh

absolutely and kind of [ __ ] him up in

his career a little bit because people

Associated him entirely with that film

and then they Associated him with

Christianity and then they Associated

him with right politics and yeah yeah

and then you know he he got sidetracked

by a few guys I mean there's some people

out there like they get in your ear and

it's like you it's like cashes you know

talking to and they get you up to make a

speech somewhere and next you know it's

like you know people throwing eggs at

you and like yeah and you wonder you

know should I even be saying

this and uh so he stepped on a bunch of

landmines but um yeah it did have a

profound effect on him but I think he

was he he was already mostly there

anyway and I noticed that because I when

I was trying to cast it I thought who

could play this and I saw the opening

shot from Terry Malik's film which was

The Thin Red Line

MH um and uh and it was just a big

closeup of cisel and there was something

otherworldly and childlike going on

there in the closeup and I thought who's

that guy he's amazing of course you

couldn't keep the blue eyes you had to

you had to trade him out so I changed

the color of his eyes to Brown and and

all that stuff so it looked like he came

from the region right but uh um amazing

what he already had a quality an

ethereal kind of otherworldliness space

cadet quality yeah that and he's he's

still kind of like that he's still like

wow yeah he's I I want I wish I had met

him or I haven't met him still but I

wish i' had seen him before and then

after

you to see like what did that role

change him because it seemed to have

strengthened his faith sure it did yeah

yeah he got he got in real tight with it

and I think he had some experiences

while he was doing it he suffered a

little you know and uh didn't he get

struck by lightning well there's two

times there was these lightning strikes

happening on the set you know and there

was this guy with him he was a young

fellow one of the assistants on on the

film his name was uh Jan and old Jan was

like uh he's like 6 foot two Italian

Northern Italian guy you know if he

tripped in the street women would slide

under him you know it was that kind of

stuff the guy was like a babe magnet

right and um and I think he was taking

full advantage of the gifts he had but

he got hit by lightning the first time

getting people I we were out on the hill

and there was a lightning storm like

with the crosses and stuff oh Jesus and

uh and the the this guy called jeppo he

was a grip and he never spoke a word to

me the whole time he's just a quiet kind

of guy and I figured oh he doesn't know

English so you know but he came up to me

and in perfect English he said you know

I think you should get all the people

off the hill we could be struck by

lightning and I thought oh that's a good

idea let's get off the hill so we're

moving off the hill everybody's getting

off and this kid gets hit through the

umbrella this Yan guy he gets Zapped by

lightning right but he's 22 and he goes

the Disco all night and

D you know he's doing the whole you know

22 experience and he he comes back the

next day and he's like yeah it was great

and then he was with Jim the second time

it happened but this time I found him in

a Fiat Bambino with his knees up around

his ears like waiting for the third

strike he was like this this just

doesn't happen twice in the third strike

and he says I have to change my

life like so it was pretty fun that

movie must have had a profound effect on

a lot of people right cuz you were you

were doing something that wasn't just a

film it was yeah ver kind of yeah and it

was strengthening people's faith that

film was a I mean profound success and a

lot of people dismissed the idea of it

even yes you know especially in

Hollywood I mean you had to self fund

all that right yes it was self-funded

and uh and it was a a very strange

experience that one cuz I and I put the

money in I thought well maybe I'll break

even and it was uh then I got these

messages back all the majors wouldn't

distribute it so I was like nobody will

distribute it okay I guess i' I've lost

you know the money but it was worth the

experience and um

so um one guy was left in the room at

the end when the when the dust settled

it was some guy he said I I'll

distribute and he he had a little

company called New Market and they

distributed like one or two films before

and uh I think it was a Charlie Theron

movie called a monster about that

horrible serial kill and and uh he said

I'll do it and you know it was just

really Basics I went and I met the

exhibitors and you know and this guy was

like the distributor this little company

it was just him and a a toothless dog

and a fax and an assistant and it was

like okay what's all the smoking mirrors

about this with between the distribution

and exhibition I met I made handshake

deals with all the exhibitors yeah we'll

show this I said okay and then we put it

out there and it went out nobody

expected it to do much but it did

phenomenally well and um and there was

this kind of thing in town in the town

they said did anyone just see that

anyone just see what that guy

did can't let that guy do that again and

yeah we don't want anyone doing that you

know because it sort of walked around

the entire system yes and

scored right so there was two things

there was resistance to the Christianity

aspect of it and promotion of

Christianity and then there was

resistance to the fact that you went

outside the system it was outside well I

had no alternative right because no

major would back it because of the

Christianity aspect of it I guess yeah

well rubert Murdoch said you know he

wanted to and then he said and then

somebody advised him and said he'd be

out of business in five years ruer

Murdoch wow in 5 years if he distributed

that if he yeah and I was like wow if

he's scared what I'm like I'm got to I'm

going to crash and burn here but it

actually did all right it did phenomenal

yeah and then um again I tried to uh

then I went I went with a studio on

Apocalypto but man that didn't work out

so well it didn't no in what way well it

was interesting the the

film was a film with it had no

stars it was in another language and it

came out on a weekend with another film

that had Leo Leo in it and another film

that had Cameron Diaz in it and um so

those three films came out on the same

weekend and the one with no stars and

without the language won the weekend

monetarily it won the box office by a

narrow margin on the other

two and uh the second week out uh Disney

pulled the screens

really yeah so I thought oh that's funny

well screens are

gone I guess there's another agenda

because that was another self-funded one

did they pull the screens because they

had movies that they had already made

deals with I think so but you know it's

just it's just politics and you know and

I think perhaps the distribution deal on

that wasn't as good as right something

else or you know so it's you know it's

all business it's a phenomenal movie

though it's a great film yeah and it did

better afterwards in DVD and streaming

and all that yeah it did well yeah yeah

I watched it again like two years ago

yeah I hadn't seen it in a while and I

watched it again and I had forgot a

bunch of aspects of it like God damn

it's a good movie it's just Primal yes

and I think I love primitive stuff you

know and Primal emotions I mean

basically it's a guy just trying to get

back home to save his wife and kid and

and he's got a lot of obstacles in the

away like Jaguars and bad guys chasing

him and trying to skin him and trying to

rip his heart out it's pretty cool yeah

it's pretty cool and I sat in a room

with my assistant he said what do you

want to do next Chase movie I said he

said well so we found out where the

Mayan canoes and Columbus and all that

and then we just started making the

story up in the room and we wrote it wow

and yeah some assistant man he actually

wrote he actually tapped it

out crazy so when you're making this

resurrection movie now um you you also

have this obligation there's this you're

doing a very similar thing that you were

doing with The Passion of the Christ

where this is this is a profound story

yes when you put something like that

together how do you choose who's going

to be the next Jesus you use him again

cavel yeah I know it's 20 years later

it's 20 years later but it's yeah but

it's the right guy yeah but it's

it's supposed to be three days later but

he got 20 years older and I think um I

have to use a few techniques that

they've starting to get really good with

the CGI and yeah oh they can do amazing

things now you can actually yeah get

some of the same people and by the time

you film it it'll be even better yeah

when are you going to start filming I'm

hoping

uh next year

sometime it's there's a lot required

because it is I'll just tell you this

it's an acid trip when we wrote it it is

like I've never read anything like it

and my brother and I and Randall uh all

sort of congregated on this so there's

some good heads put together but there's

some crazy

stuff um and I think in order to really

tell the story properly you have to

start with the fall of the Angels right

yeah which is you're in another place

you're in another

realm you know you need to go to hell

you need to go to sh so you're going to

have hell you're going to have Satan all

that yeah whoa sure you got to yeah

right you got to have his origin how do

you repres how do you depict

that this is a good question and I think

um I have ideas about how to do that and

ideas about how

to evoke things and emotions in people

from the way you depict it and the way

you shoot it so I've been thinking about

it for a long time so it's uh it's it's

not going to be easy and it's going to

require a lot of

planning and

um and I'm not wholly sure I can pull it

off to tell you the truth it's really

super

ambitious but I'll take a crack at it

cuz that's what you got to do right walk

up to the plate right right so I I think

I can get

it but it's not about me you know right

about something else well if anybody can

do it you can do it well I hope so it's

it's a um it's trying to find the way

in that's not like cheesy or obvious but

that

actually it's almost like a magic trick

in a sense it's diversion it's

confiscate this show

that look over here you know I yeah it's

um do you have a

title uh yeah it's just like the

resurrection of the

Christ yeah it's like uh so that's a

title and yeah it's

uh it's very ambitious that's all I'll

say it just it took a long time to write

it's really ambitious and it goes from

like the fall of the angels to the death

of the last apostle do you have a start

date I don't have a start date I just

have to begin pre-production and see

what happens um and it's it's just going

to roll in its own time it's taking its

own time I thought it was late I thought

taking too long it's taking too long but

it's probably just right yeah it's when

it's supposed to be yeah well if you

believe that that's true yeah yeah I

don't know I hope you're right I think

I'm right my instincts are that I'm

right yeah yeah and if I was going to

trust anybody with that story it would

be you yeah I don't know it's a a

massive thing and theologically

it's it's something that you have to

really look

at and make

correlations

that that ring

true because it's not all written do you

consult with someone like a Biblical

scholar oh yeah oh my goodness yeah yeah

yeah and of course you know there's your

own thing that comes into it from having

read the the book a few times you read

the book a few times and

um it's amazing how your memory how

there's these recessive files somewhere

in the background how you can correlate

this piece to that piece over there and

that's important because jux the

position is everything with this

story and

um what it means in a bigger

picture yeahh so it's it's hard to

explain but it's it's it's quite

involved yeah I can only imagine yeah

and I don't know that you can do it in a

foreign language because the concepts

are too difficult now so that you may

have to um resort to the vernacular so

that that at least is clear is that up

for debate right now with you yeah it is

I'm thinking like but like look have you

seen these apps now where they have this

AI stuff where the guy talking German

and then he switches to French and then

he Spanish and then Chinese and have you

seen that and his mouth moves and it's

the same voice I mean it's crazy what

they do so so are you going to use that

kind of a tool do you think you could

will you begin it in Aramaic or in

Hebrew maybe yeah arama is is really the

kick isn't it but you know I think uh I

think I'll write I've written it in

English but I wrote the last one in

English too and and translated

it um but and then the people had to

learn to speak it because there was I

think there's only about 400 people that

actually speak Aramaic still wow and

apparently they understood it so I was

happy about that wow so that was good

yeah 400,000 people sorry oh in the

world that makes more sense yeah yeah

sorry 400 people yeah i' like preserve

those 400 people yeah not many people

speaking Latin still but but that's

quite well known well I can't wait to

see it man um and uh I just want to say

I I appreciate you very much all all the

stuff that you've done you've made some

really awesome pieces in your life you

really have thank you yeah yeah great

stuff yeah yeah I'm I I'm Blown Away by

where you got to with this which is like

didn't you start off just smoking a

spliff on a couch couch with a guy

and yeah okay yeah it's amazing yeah

it's pretty bizarre yeah I'm not exactly

sure how it happened no that's good I

just kind of kept doing it yeah okay

yeah yeah I'm a fan thank you I watch it

all the time thank you there was no plan

to it I'll tell you that no there still

kind of isn't I still kind of do it the

same way yeah okay every day you wake up

yeah I just look at my phone I go online

I say who do I want to talk to yeah this

guy might be interesting yeah you know

okay that's really next Who's Next you

get some pretty interesting people

yeah yeah I was amazed at that

uh I can't remember his name now Terren

what he was all into Terence Howard yeah

yeah the actor yeah yeah bril guy had a

bunch of stuff going on I was like whoa

yeah oh he's out there yeah yeah he's

out there but I mean you have to be to

be one of those guys you do well listen

brother thank you very much for

everything appreciate you coming in here

yeah thanks thank you thank you thank

you your new movie is great and uh all

your stuff's great I'm I'm a big fan so

yeah tickets on sale today yeah when

does he come out oh God on the 25th 24th

25th yeah 24th I think okay so soon yeah

it's fun it is fun yeah I enjoyed it yep

all right thank you very much thank Jo

bye everybody

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